With a Vengeance

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Spoons-1 (00:00):
well, I loved how Anna had like three hot men lusting

(00:04):
after her this whole time.
She's doing her vengeance plot.
I was like, good for you, girl.

Wheezy (00:09):
She was like, I don't have time for any of you losers.
I'm on a mission.
Hello everyone welcome back tothat pretentious book club.

Spoons-1 (00:20):
Hooray, Haah.
Welcome.

Wheezy (00:23):
We need like a canned applause or something after

Spoons-1 (00:26):
Yeah.
We need one of those soundmachine things.
They press the buttons.

Wheezy (00:29):
Or just an air horn really close to the

Spoons-1 (00:31):
Yeah.
Or that, yeah, that.

Wheezy (00:33):
that would be, I like that would be criminal.

Gino (00:36):
I will just whisper.
Oh, A SMR.
Welcome every time.

Wheezy (00:40):
Welcome back to that pre

Spoons-1 (00:41):
Welcome back

Wheezy (00:42):
welcome, back to Easy Listening with that pretentious
book club.

Spoons-1 (00:45):
Delilah.

Wheezy (00:46):
Oh God.
Oh, that's so funny.

Spoons-1 (00:49):
Well,

Wheezy (00:49):
Okay, well, year at that pretentious book club, if you
came here for a comedy podcastabout books, you're in the right
place.
If you came here for a superserious podcast about books, you
could not be farther from themark.

Spoons-1 (01:00):
Much love.

Wheezy (01:02):
If you don't wanna hear nonsense, but you do wanna hear
about the book, it's still notgonna be a serious take.
But you can use the skip notesin the episode description.

Spoons-1 (01:09):
Yes,

Wheezy (01:10):
we're glad that you guys are here and I'm gonna start
over on the far side of myscreen.
I dunno how they appear for youguys, but that over there is Dr.
Spoons Palermo, AKA Kendall

Spoons-1 (01:20):
hi, howdy, and in my middle is as O'Rourke, but you
can call her wheezy.

Wheezy (01:27):
It Ain't Easy being wheezy.
And in the middle of my screenis the beautiful statuesque
blonde woman, Gino, I guess youcould call her.
Do we even say your first name?
I feel like I'm redacting moreand more information from you
every single episode.

Gino (01:41):
I'm gonna wear a mask the next time.
I mean,

Wheezy (01:43):
Yeah.

Gino (01:44):
time I was like, I'm gonna wear a mask.

Wheezy (01:46):
Yeah.
And I was like, that would be sointeresting.
How would that, me being fullywilling to try anything.

Gino (01:53):
I'm also gonna start using a voice changer box.
I'll be like, well, for thisbook, I thought that

Wheezy (01:58):
How funny would that be?
That's so

Spoons-1 (02:01):
I want to play a game.

Wheezy (02:02):
have done that when we when we were hating on a guitar
that might have been

Spoons-1 (02:05):
Oh yeah.

Wheezy (02:06):
There were times I was like, is it unsafe for our faces
to

Spoons-1 (02:08):
This feels unsafe.

Wheezy (02:10):
how it feels unsafe?
How crazy AAR people got for

Spoons-1 (02:14):
Oh man.
I actually looked it up today.
I was like, I wonder how manycopies of AAR sold, apparently
13 million.
But I think, I don't know ifthat's correct.
I, it was a very quick Google.
So anyway, that's your fun factfrom Kendall today.

Wheezy (02:29):
It's a super

Spoons-1 (02:30):
really fun fact.

Wheezy (02:32):
I love it.
What are you drinking Spoons.

Spoons-1 (02:34):
Basically a mimosa, it's champagne with orange juice
in it.
Well, it's like an orange mango,Casey.

Wheezy (02:44):
like

Spoons-1 (02:44):
And welcome to the pod Juicy.
She is making a ruckus in here.

Wheezy (02:49):
Juer, she's our

Spoons-1 (02:51):
she's our producer.
She has a whole readathon teamnamed after her.

Wheezy (02:56):
Cats Without Tails.
That's my team.
So if you guys have been itchingto garner some acclaim for the
fact that you read books youguys can do that.
You guys could join ourRead-a-Thon.
It's awesome.
And it's supporting my bookstorethat I'm opening, so that's
super exciting.
And also you can crush anddestroy your enemies or your
friends.
In this case.
I'm actually crushing myfriends.
So anyways, team Cats withouttails, Gino's.

(03:18):
Like, actually I hate it here.
I hope to destroy you all.

Spoons-1 (03:22):
Like, this is actually serious for me.

Gino (03:23):
was my final

Spoons-1 (03:24):
Yeah, this is, oh, are you getting, are you out for a
vengeance?
You are getting a vengeance.

Gino (03:30):
Oh.

Wheezy (03:30):
Oh, that's relevant because of

Spoons-1 (03:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
In case you guys couldn't see.
'Cause it's a podcast, it's nota visual medium.
I did hold up the book that hasthe word vengeance on it, so,

Wheezy (03:39):
Yeah, unless you're watching this on YouTube, all of
the three people who in thecloset and watch our YouTube
videos

Gino (03:45):
Phil tried to look up the YouTube videos today and he was,
know, there's something weirdwith our YouTube'cause he was
like, there's only four videosand it says the rest are like
hidden.

Wheezy (03:56):
what?
Ah, ugh.

Gino (03:57):
you tell Spoons that what I found out,

Wheezy (04:00):
No, I forgot.
This is insane.
This is insane.

Gino (04:03):
I decided to look up our YouTube videos the other day,
which I've never done before.
'Cause I always listen on like

Spoons-1 (04:10):
yeah.

Gino (04:11):
And, I was just going through and I was looking at
like viewership and I noticedlike Twilight has like more
views than others.
So I was like I wonder if themore popular, newer books

Spoons-1 (04:22):
Yeah.

Gino (04:23):
than the older books.
So I'm looking through likethese views, okay, this that,
and I get to Hercules

Spoons-1 (04:29):
Oh, herky Pro.

Gino (04:30):
what?
How is it for Nest?

Spoons-1 (04:31):
Yeah.

Gino (04:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It has over a thousand,

Spoons-1 (04:37):
What?

Gino (04:37):
I think it's a thousand views.
It has like an insane amountcompared to

Spoons-1 (04:41):
that's so weird.

Gino (04:43):
the

Wheezy (04:43):
She told me and honestly my, like the first thing hobby
said, and also my first thoughtwas, did I, like, did I flash
someone?
I don't think I would've donethat.
That was the

Gino (04:52):
her,

Wheezy (04:53):
Gino same thought too.
I was like,

Gino (04:55):
I was like,

Wheezy (04:55):
what

Spoons-1 (04:56):
Oh my God.

Gino (04:57):
in this video?

Spoons-1 (04:58):
I hope I didn't,

Wheezy (04:59):
it the Christmas

Spoons-1 (05:00):
it was Christmas.

Wheezy (05:01):
it the, if it was the Christmas one, maybe that's why.
'cause it was

Spoons-1 (05:04):
But that's so

Gino (05:06):
I

Spoons-1 (05:06):
weird.

Gino (05:07):
insane amount of views compared to

Spoons-1 (05:10):
That's hilarious.
Somebody's,

Gino (05:13):
And I was like, oh, you already know this.
But she

Spoons-1 (05:15):
I had no idea.

Gino (05:17):
this.

Wheezy (05:17):
I was

Spoons-1 (05:18):
I bet somebody uses it for A SMR and they fall asleep
to it every night and they playit every single night.
That's what it is.
Something like that.

Wheezy (05:25):
It is me.
They just keep rewinding to hearme say

Spoons-1 (05:28):
It's some, you know what it is?
It's some French person whoplays it on repeat and they're
working on their own vengeance.
Every time we say it in a badway, they get more angry.
Yeah.
They're plotting and it justfeels their rage.
That's what it is.
They're gonna come kill us orsomething

Wheezy (05:43):
French are always angry.

Spoons-1 (05:45):
much loves Who are our French listeners?

Wheezy (05:47):
Absolutely.

Gino (05:48):
Weezy, what are you drinking?

Wheezy (05:50):
I'm drinking.
I'll just go ahead and dive intoour drink early.
But then I do wanna ask abouty'all's lives'cause I care about
you as human beings.
I am,

Spoons-1 (05:59):
Okay.

Wheezy (06:00):
I never know what I say that's gonna make spoons laugh
all of a sudden.
It's always something silly andlittle.
Anyways, I'm doing our drink fortoday, which I forget what it's,
what was this one called?
The locomotive.
All so this is a little bit of atwist on the locomotive'cause
it's supposed to be made withwhiskey.
And ironically, I don't have anywhiskey in my house.
So it has rum, which actuallyturned out really good.

(06:21):
So it's got, you say, is it concontrol?

Gino (06:24):
We're just getting French today.

Wheezy (06:26):
Cont, I don't know.

Gino (06:28):
I

Wheezy (06:28):
The orange

Spoons-1 (06:29):
the orange.
Yeah.

Wheezy (06:30):
The, like orange-ish one and yeah.
Okay.
Triple sec.
There we go.
Triple sec with lemon juice andsimple syrup and rum.
I think that's it.
Shaken with ice.
And I garnished mine with aMarino cherry and I did some
sugar on the rim, which haspretty much quickly turned into
rock candy, essentially.

(06:50):
So if you see me in the video,like biting sugar off the rim,
that's why it's turned intocandy and it's actually super,
super good.
So only one who did the drinktoday.

Spoons-1 (07:00):
Yeah,

Wheezy (07:00):
not to brag, but to totally brag.
I'm so proud of myself.
I mean, I did my thing where I'mlike, I totally am gonna do it
right guys.
And then I

Spoons-1 (07:07):
you,

Wheezy (07:08):
quite do it right.

Gino (07:08):
but I

Spoons-1 (07:09):
yeah, you always do your own twist on ing.

Wheezy (07:11):
really, I always do the twist, and it's not'cause I'm
creative, it's because Im lazy.
But today I swear, I reallythought that I had everything
for it.

Gino (07:20):
ironic because you're always like that one,'cause I
have all the ingredients andthen you come on and you're
like, so I did not have all the

Wheezy (07:26):
I did not have the ingredients.

Gino (07:28):
time.

Wheezy (07:28):
Listen, I have a few toxic traits.
One of them is thinking I havethe ingredients for drinks that
I don't,

Spoons-1 (07:34):
Toxic red flag.

Wheezy (07:35):
the other toxic red flag.
The other one is thinking my caris a lot bigger than it actually
is.
And being like, yeah, I couldprobably fit that in my car.
to me driving down the highwaywith an enormous dollhouse
sticking out the back while thetrunk flaps

Spoons-1 (07:49):
Oh my God.

Wheezy (07:50):
All the way to my child's preschool where I then
left it in their supply closetuntil the next week to come pick
it up.

Spoons-1 (07:57):
You are like, I'm not doing that again.

Gino (07:58):
So,

Wheezy (07:59):
nothing if not consistent.

Gino (08:01):
I do care about you two as humans, but I also have to put
my duck away.
So if you guys wanna talk aboutyour week, so I don't like

Spoons-1 (08:09):
Oh, yes.

Wheezy (08:10):
You want me to talk about me?

Spoons-1 (08:11):
Like, oh,

Gino (08:12):
Just keep

Spoons-1 (08:13):
such a hardship.

Gino (08:14):
will

Wheezy (08:14):
Excellent.
Oh, no.
My life, no spoons.
You wanna tell me how your lifeis going?
I mean, I don't But

Spoons-1 (08:20):
no, it's okay.

Wheezy (08:21):
like it's

Spoons-1 (08:22):
Well, I, my life, I guess it's fine.
It's a mess.
But I enjoyed this book thisweek.
And then also I am in the middleof

Gino (08:33):
I

Spoons-1 (08:34):
the second Amari book.
That's my new update.
And well, I'm more like Twothirds I guess.

Wheezy (08:41):
And the sassy spoons now has two books in their tally

Spoons-1 (08:44):
yeah.

Wheezy (08:45):
my five.

Spoons-1 (08:46):
Well, you know, we're having a slow start, but we're
gonna,

Gino (08:49):
but

Spoons-1 (08:50):
catch up at the end and then also surpass you, so I
wouldn't worry too much aboutus.

Gino (08:54):
I

Wheezy (08:54):
Unless the ugly ducklings are the dark horse in
this race

Spoons-1 (08:58):
they're really gonna come outta nowhere.

Wheezy (09:00):
Boys.

Gino (09:00):
girl come out of

Wheezy (09:01):
Yeah, you guys should totally join the Read-a-Thon and
totally like upend all of myassumptions right now though,
cats Without Tails is kicking

Gino (09:07):
s is

Wheezy (09:07):
a double

Spoons-1 (09:08):
Yeah, y'all are doing well, but like I said, we're
really gonna do well probablybetter than you.
So,

Gino (09:14):
better think so.

Wheezy (09:16):
probably, but you're like, listen, slow

Spoons-1 (09:17):
slow and steady wins the race.
Yeah.
Once I log that Amari book,we're gonna be, we

Gino (09:22):
of

Spoons-1 (09:22):
closing in.
So,

Gino (09:23):
be

Spoons-1 (09:24):
But yeah, it's good.
I'm enjoying it.
The oh, also I have made twodays in a row I have done

Gino (09:30):
I

Spoons-1 (09:30):
like rice dishes for dinner that

Gino (09:33):
which

Spoons-1 (09:34):
when I think about it, I'm like, this is not like a
real meal.
Sometimes I will just put thingstogether where I'm like, that's
gonna be good to eat, but thenI'm like, I don't think anyone
else has ever

Gino (09:45):
don't think anyone

Spoons-1 (09:46):
eaten this concoction before.
I love to do that.

Wheezy (09:49):
I, do that quite a bit.
That's probably why you'realways like, oh, wow, Ash, this
is really good.
And I'm like,

Gino (09:54):
And

Wheezy (09:55):
wow, that's so nice of you.
the same thing I do with thedrinks, where I'm like, I
probably have the ingredientsfor that and I don't,

Spoons-1 (10:01):
Me too.

Wheezy (10:02):
so I just use what I find.

Spoons-1 (10:03):
I fully like had French fried, not French fried,

Gino (10:06):
French

Spoons-1 (10:07):
they call it,

Gino (10:07):
sex

Spoons-1 (10:08):
the little onion, the fried onions that you put on
like green bean casserole.

Wheezy (10:13):
Yeah.

Spoons-1 (10:14):
of those in my rice concoction yesterday because I
was like, you know what, this isgood.
And it was good.
And today I made what I'mcalling Chick-fil-A Rice because
it was

Gino (10:25):
because it

Spoons-1 (10:26):
chicken nugget

Gino (10:27):
the rice.

Spoons-1 (10:28):
chopped up, and then Chick-fil-A sauce in there,
which is like,

Wheezy (10:33):
That just sounds good.

Spoons-1 (10:35):
it was very good is the thing.
But I was like, this is not areal meal.

Wheezy (10:40):
sashimi.

Spoons-1 (10:41):
yeah.

Wheezy (10:42):
Yeah, it was,

Spoons-1 (10:43):
so

Wheezy (10:44):
meal.
That's

Spoons-1 (10:44):
anyway, that, that's, those are my updates.
Oh.
And then,

Wheezy (10:48):
I had shells

Spoons-1 (10:49):
oh.

Wheezy (10:49):
cheese with crushed up.
Super stale.
Crushed up.

Gino (10:52):
up

Wheezy (10:52):
Dill pickled

Spoons-1 (10:53):
Oh my God.
That sounds delicious.

Gino (10:57):
that good.

Wheezy (10:58):
Your sounds way

Spoons-1 (10:59):
I disagree.

Wheezy (11:00):
sound Good.

Spoons-1 (11:01):
I've been so into di like, pickle flavored chips
lately, so that sounds supergood to me.
What, tell me about your life,Hui.
What are you up to?

Wheezy (11:10):
I just did, I just told you about the mac and cheese

Spoons-1 (11:12):
right, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.

Wheezy (11:13):
you about my child's leftover

Spoons-1 (11:15):
Of course.
Yeah.
No,

Wheezy (11:16):
up

Gino (11:16):
up.
Of

Wheezy (11:17):
stale Cheetos on top.
everything.
No I'm an insane person.

Spoons-1 (11:22):
Well, right, yeah.

Wheezy (11:23):
isn't news if anyone has been here for more than 30
seconds, but I forget howinsane.
Like when.
Hello.
Welcome back.
Darlene.
Gino.

Spoons-1 (11:32):
Duck's alive.

Wheezy (11:33):
So we were just, yeah.
Are the ducks good?

Gino (11:36):
are put away.

Spoons-1 (11:37):
They're put away.
They're safe.

Wheezy (11:39):
we go.
All right.
I was just going to regaeveryone with things that I've
learned about myself thateveryone

Spoons-1 (11:44):
Okay, I wanna hear it.

Wheezy (11:46):
so recently spoons and I went to Oklahoma and it was
absolutely fantastic andwonderful.
And while I was gone and hop waswatching our child.
He kept like sending texts oflike, wow, RI is so chill.
Does he ever do this with you?
And he's like, falling asleep onJavi.
No, he doesn't do that with me.
He hasn't done that with mesince he was like six months
old.

(12:06):
No.
And like he's like, yeah, hejust chills and watches movies.
He just took a three hour nap.
I get a 45 minute absolute tops,45 minute long nap.
Once a day.
That's best case scenario.
And then he wakes up betweenfive and 6:00 AM every day.
Let clock work.
Today it was 5:00 AM So if Ifall asleep while we're talking,
I'm sorry.
I also drove over the curb thismorning to pull back into my

(12:27):
driveway, which I do everysingle day.
Like I was, I'm incredibly tiredanyways, see, where was I going
with this?
Oh yes.
So I was like, I don'tunderstand how RI is so chill
with Javi and not with me.
And.
Javi said something that I hadkind of been like, maybe this is
what it is like because I am sobusy.
Ri picks up on that energy andhe's like, I'm also gonna be so

(12:49):
busy.
It's so much fun to be so busy.
And I'm like, I need you to beso calm though.
who is somebody else today?
One of my coworkers, I wastalking to her about Riley and
how busy he is, and she waslike, well.
I mean, you're a pretty busyperson.
And I was like, what does thathave to do with anything?
And so now I'm realizing thatI'm the whole problem.
And

Gino (13:08):
It's me.
Hi.
I'm the

Wheezy (13:09):
it's me, hi.
I'm compulsively productive andprobably need to work that out
in therapy.
It's me.
And, but a lot of it is juststuff that right now I'm gonna
rush because I'm opening abookshop and if you guys haven't
been back to us for a while, youmight not know that.
If you have been, you're like,shut up, please stop talking
about it.
But I'm opening the storyEmporium and Bookshop in HU
Texas, which is like in theAustin metro area.

(13:30):
And it's gonna be super, superawesome.
And there's like a whole likewriting center attached.
And we're gonna do like a bunchof like really cool community
events, like d and d nights andlike wine and book clubs and
like, free and low cost tutoringand stuff for all ages.
Like it's going to be sofreaking cool.
And it's what I think about like99.9% of the time.
But also there's so muchbureaucracy involved in starting

(13:51):
a business.
And I hate to comply.
I absolutely loathe complianceso much.
And to apply for my damn beerand wine license, you have to
get like six other certificatessay I will pay my taxes
essentially.
But to get to that, you have tofile other things first also.

(14:11):
And it's just like I have, thisis insane.

Spoons-1 (14:14):
Oh my goodness.

Wheezy (14:15):
else has ever like had to do this, you're also, I'm
just here.
This will be my last story'causeit's just absolutely insane to
me that like, this is 2025, getmy freaking beer and wine
license.
Not even a full liquor license,just beer and wine license.
Okay.
It's supposed to be the easyone.
I have to print out this thing,this piece of paper that the
file that they give you isliterally like a mosaic.

(14:39):
Like you print off these likeeight pages and you have to tape
them together.
So they make one full poster andyou have to go stick it on the
physical location of yourbusiness at least 60 days prior.
To when you plan to startserving alcohol and you have to
take a picture of it when youpost it and send the picture to
the office, is that not insane?

(15:00):
This is 2025.
I was like the bureaucracy.
What an absolute waste of timeis someone's whole job just to
look at these damn pictures.
They don't even have to driveout and look at it, but you're
gonna make me do this.
This is insane.
Anyways, there's so muchbureaucracy involved.
That one is the one that got me

Spoons-1 (15:18):
I know

Wheezy (15:19):
The very

Spoons-1 (15:20):
for the listeners, Ash is tweaking.

Wheezy (15:22):
to comply.
am really freaking, I hate tocomply, especially with
absolutely ridiculous,nonsensical waste of time.
So

Spoons-1 (15:32):
Wow.

Wheezy (15:33):
I wonder, Ash, I wonder how Ash feels about this.
Don't even get me started ondeed restrictions.

Spoons-1 (15:38):
Please don't like we have to move past deed
restrictions.

Gino (15:42):
I.

Wheezy (15:42):
I'll never move ba deed restrictions.

Spoons-1 (15:45):
We,

Wheezy (15:45):
Actually, this is worse.
This is worse than deedrestrictions.
It makes no

Spoons-1 (15:48):
you're like, I hate taping.

Wheezy (15:50):
my mom

Spoons-1 (15:50):
I,

Wheezy (15:50):
was like, yeah, we had to do the same thing.
I, they are making me print offeight freaking pieces of paper
to tape together, like I'm

Spoons-1 (15:58):
I go to maybe,

Wheezy (16:00):
to go put

Spoons-1 (16:01):
Maybe like the FedEx store or Kinko's or something
has big paper and you can get iton big paper.

Wheezy (16:07):
But then they all have to give me a different file.
The file that they have up

Spoons-1 (16:11):
Oh,

Wheezy (16:12):
of

Spoons-1 (16:12):
so it's like built in.

Wheezy (16:13):
Yeah.

Gino (16:14):
eight giant pieces of paper.

Wheezy (16:16):
Yeah.
Really stick it to him.
be really good.
Honestly,

Spoons-1 (16:20):
the whole window Is this

Gino (16:22):
Yeah.

Wheezy (16:23):
it's the whole window and if you shine a light on it,
it's like the secret ink whereit just is a huge middle finger.
That sounds really good.
Anyways, that's my life is justbureaucracy and lots of waiting
and I'm waiting to hear on someother funding things.
So please guys, support mybookstore because then I won't
go crazy dealing with thebureaucracy of like, oh, it's

(16:46):
just the insane things.
Just

Spoons-1 (16:47):
to make ash not go crazy.
Join my team for the rath fundand then we will crush her.
But we will also make her not gocrazy.
So,

Wheezy (16:55):
Or you could help me not go crazy and you could help me

Spoons-1 (16:58):
But

Wheezy (16:59):
by

Spoons-1 (16:59):
well, it's

Wheezy (17:00):
without

Spoons-1 (17:00):
probably more fun to be on my team, so, you know.

Wheezy (17:02):
I think it might be, I mean, if you, yeah, if you like
losing, if you like winning that

Spoons-1 (17:07):
Oh my gosh.

Wheezy (17:08):
Gino's, not Vine for her team at all.
So it's Gino, how is your lifeand how do you feel about your
chances of success?

Gino (17:15):
I thought you were gonna ask me how I felt about
bureaucracy and beer and

Wheezy (17:18):
How do you feel

Spoons-1 (17:19):
How do you feel about taping together eight pieces of
paper?

Wheezy (17:22):
feel about to go post on a building?
No one's gonna see, but you haveto take a picture, then upload
it to your computer.

Gino (17:27):
I have the duct tape to do it, so

Wheezy (17:30):
This is not about canned, this is about should.

Spoons-1 (17:32):
I'm kind of like, I like taping.

Gino (17:34):
I,

Wheezy (17:35):
You're like, ooh, arts and crafts.

Gino (17:37):
I,

Wheezy (17:37):
Oh my gosh.

Gino (17:39):
I thought IW like I was trying to think of anything I'd
have to say.
I don't wanna talk about birds.
And I was like, I don't haveanything.
My life has been something,

Wheezy (17:48):
I mean, it's bird adjacent, but the ugly ducklings
is your team.

Gino (17:51):
I

Wheezy (17:51):
It is bird adjacent.

Gino (17:53):
about, I was thinking about that today and I was like,
I should, I don't know how, didanyone ever write that story?
Because that doesn't exist.
Like an

Spoons-1 (18:01):
They're all cute.

Gino (18:02):
is an

Wheezy (18:03):
No,

Gino (18:04):
They, yeah.
I was like,

Wheezy (18:05):
I thought about that too.
If you were like the teenageduckling, the teenage chicken
for sure.

Spoons-1 (18:11):
they're so ugly.

Gino (18:12):
they got some awkward

Wheezy (18:13):
Was a The Turkey chickens, those things are
hideous.

Gino (18:17):
wants one so bad.

Spoons-1 (18:19):
Wait, I've never heard of a turkin.

Wheezy (18:20):
course she would.
It is a Turkey chicken.

Spoons-1 (18:23):
god.
That's crazy.

Gino (18:24):
I,

Wheezy (18:24):
very ugly.

Gino (18:25):
it's just a chicken, but it's like, it has a no feathers
on

Spoons-1 (18:30):
Oh,

Gino (18:31):
a really long neck, so they

Wheezy (18:32):
So it looks like a Turkey and a chicken.
Had an in demon spawn baby.
It's real ugly.

Spoons-1 (18:39):
so, so what are you, what?

Gino (18:41):
yeah.

Spoons-1 (18:41):
what's your update instead of birds?
You said you were,

Gino (18:44):
Oh yeah, I did realize, I don't know why it came to me
while I was sitting here.
I went to an impromptu, well, itwasn't impromptu, I was
impromptuly invited to a costumeparty

Spoons-1 (18:55):
my God.
I love costume parties.

Wheezy (18:57):
Oh my gosh.

Gino (18:58):
hours beforehand.
They were like, Hey, do youwanna come?
And I was like, cha, let's dothat.
And I like, like I was crackingup the whole time because there
are two types of people in thisworld.
Okay.
One is my partner and one is me.
So I was like, oh.
I was like, okay, costume party.
I have a basement at my mom'shouse full of costumes.

(19:22):
Like literally there's like, atheater kid.
Then I ran a theater business.
And so, and my mom is aseamstress, so I have For days.
And so I was like, let's go,let's look, let's pick something
out.
And I went down there and I waslike, oh, I could be Tinkerbell.
Oh, I could be Glinda.
Oh, I could be like things thatprobably still fit me now

(19:46):
Looking at here.
And Phil goes, I know what I'mdoing.
And I was like, okay.
And he goes, I need to ask yourmom for some something to tie
something up with.
So he leaves I'm like okay.
Looking through.
And then I come upon my Kitafrom Atlantis costume

Spoons-1 (20:06):
Hot.

Gino (20:06):
and I was like, I loved this costume.
Only got to wear it oneHalloween.
So I was like, I'm gonna dothat.

Wheezy (20:13):
I've seen those pictures.
Amazing.

Gino (20:15):
yeah.
So I

Wheezy (20:17):
them with mild.
My other pictures of you.
Just kidding.
Where am I?

Gino (20:21):
that reminds me, did you still need that lock of hair?

Wheezy (20:24):
Don't worry.
I already got it.

Gino (20:26):
so I get my key to costume.
I come up from the basementlike, all right, I'm ready to
go.
And Phil is standing there witha two small bucket hat on.
And a trench coat.
So we get to our house and I'mlike, do your thing.

(20:47):
I'm doing my thing.
And eventually, anyways, hecomes out.
He is a

Spoons-1 (20:51):
Yeah, I was gonna

Gino (20:53):
yeah, he,

Wheezy (20:54):
there's only one thing that can be

Gino (20:57):
he the bucket hat, like, it just made it, it made it so

Spoons-1 (21:00):
yeah.

Gino (21:01):
I can't explain to you why the bucket hat, just like, he
went from like, oh, you're aflasher to, oh, you're flasher.
And he cut a pair of pants.
He cut a pair of pants so thathe just had the legs.
And then he was, that's what hewanted the ties for, was to wrap
'em around like his kneesessentially, so that he, when
his trench coat was closed, itlooked like he had pants on.

(21:24):
But then

Spoons-1 (21:24):
Oh

Gino (21:25):
that

Spoons-1 (21:25):
my.

Gino (21:25):
cut off a shirt, the top,

Wheezy (21:28):
that is so funny.

Gino (21:29):
so then on our way to the party we stopped at the gas
station to get some things andwe're pulling up to the gas
station.
I was like, I'll go in so youdon't have to.
And he goes, no, I'll go in.
I don't care.
And then we pull up and the copsare sitting at the gas station
and I, he is like trying to getout of the vehicle without
exposing himself to everyone.

Spoons-1 (21:51):
Nothing to see here, officer.

Wheezy (21:53):
works with cops.
I feel like

Spoons-1 (21:54):
Oh my God, it

Gino (21:57):
I had this like, amazing cosplay kind of costume.
I loved doing Kind of costumes.

Spoons-1 (22:03):
And he's

Gino (22:04):
I'm gonna cut some things up and not wear

Spoons-1 (22:07):
like, I'm a flasher.

Gino (22:08):
Yeah.

Wheezy (22:09):
The flasher part of the costume aside, I am Phil.
am like, what do I have that Ican randomly piece together from
a, I'm a, I'm scrappy, I'm ascrounger.
I'd be a really

Spoons-1 (22:20):
I just cro.

Wheezy (22:21):
Javi will drop$400 on a really, Javi will drop$400 on a
really cool costume, and thenI'll go, damn, that looks like
it was worth it.
But mostly I just, I will, I'lltie things up for sure on me.
I'll be like, that's probablyfine.
The amount of clothes I've cutup and been like, this is a
costume.

Gino (22:37):
Well, literally we got there and there were four people
in just Spider-Man onesies.

Spoons-1 (22:42):
That's the true lazy man's costume there.

Wheezy (22:44):
That sounds right.

Spoons-1 (22:45):
Oh my gosh.

Gino (22:47):
I was like, okay.

Spoons-1 (22:48):
I've decided this.

Gino (22:50):
I've never

Spoons-1 (22:51):
Go ahead.
Go ahead.

Gino (22:52):
go

Spoons-1 (22:52):
No.
Go ahead.

Gino (22:53):
I've never seen Silent Hill.
I don't know

Spoons-1 (22:55):
I have any either.

Gino (22:56):
I'm not like a horror movie person, but the host is
and host where had costumes fromthat and hers was like, really
killer.
She made it herself and it'slike, I think it's some sort of,
I might be completely wrong, andif you see in Silent Hill, like
I've literally know nothingabout it, but it looked like a
plague doctor kind of thing,except for like giant

Spoons-1 (23:17):
Spooky.

Gino (23:18):
it was like kind of

Spoons-1 (23:19):
Yeah.

Gino (23:20):
so hers was really cool and she made it herself and

Spoons-1 (23:23):
Oh, I love that.

Gino (23:24):
yeah, there was a lot of just like Spider-Man onesies
aside from that.

Spoons-1 (23:27):
Yeah.
Some people, yeah, I love goingall out for a costume, but yeah,
I don't know.
So it, it is, I, I think you'reright.
There really are like two typesof people in the world.
It's either one or the other.

Wheezy (23:39):
back to my toxic trait.

Spoons-1 (23:41):
Amazing.

Gino (23:41):
that's all I got.

Wheezy (23:43):
That's fantastic.
I'm so psyched to, for, and Ican bring it back to me and the
bookstore.
I'm so psyched because when Ihave the bookshop, I will have a
really cool venue to host reallycool things like costume parties
at like,

Spoons-1 (23:55):
Halloween party.

Wheezy (23:57):
to be like everyone come to the bookshop dressed in a
costume.

Spoons-1 (24:00):
Oh my God.

Wheezy (24:02):
don't know why.

Gino (24:02):
let you go unless we make you a good costume

Spoons-1 (24:05):
Okay.
Yeah.

Gino (24:06):
I'll be like, I know it's your bookshop and you're hosting
it wheezy, but

Spoons-1 (24:09):
I'll send you pictures.
Yeah.

Wheezy (24:11):
trade and be like no.
I really, I've got enoughpieces.
I can make a good costume here.
I swear I do.
everything fits in my car and Idefinitely have all the

Spoons-1 (24:18):
Yep.
All of the above.
Oh my God.

Gino (24:20):
why if you're

Wheezy (24:21):
Oh, good lord.

Gino (24:22):
I'm in charge of the food and drinks.
So don't worry.

Spoons-1 (24:26):
We definitely have it all in the car.

Wheezy (24:28):
a lot of the, well, Gino also, Gino does a lot of the
planning.
I do like a lot of the like,admin prep work before, and then
when we get there, I'm justbasically like Gino's assistant.
I'm like, yes, master, what doyou need from me?
And it's, I'm just always sorelieved.
I'm not the one making thedecisions because I be like,
that's probably

Spoons-1 (24:44):
fine.

Wheezy (24:45):
eh?
Yeah.
Oh, we still have a few spotsleft too for that.
If anyone out there, any writersare looking for a little Autumn
escape, you can go out toPennsylvania and join us.
You can go to story sirenstudio.com if you wanna check it
out.
We want to get into the book?

Spoons-1 (24:59):
I do.

Gino (25:00):
I mean, I guess

Spoons-1 (25:01):
Yeah.
If we have to talk about thebook

Wheezy (25:03):
we're doing with a Vengeance by Ri Sager.
And I'm shocked'cause is thisreally the first ri Sager book

Spoons-1 (25:10):
it is, but I wanna do more because I like so many of
them.

Wheezy (25:14):
I love Riley

Gino (25:15):
Oh, I'll

Wheezy (25:16):
Spoons introduced me and I have read like almost every Ri
Sager book now.
Sorry, continue, Gina.

Gino (25:22):
No, I'm gonna save it for

Spoons-1 (25:24):
Oh,

Wheezy (25:24):
Oh, okay.

Spoons-1 (25:25):
all right.

Wheezy (25:26):
I just, I love ri

Spoons-1 (25:27):
Yes.
We love ri.

Wheezy (25:29):
my introduction to thrillers and now I read like
80% thrillers, all because

Spoons-1 (25:33):
Oh my God.
I love that.

Wheezy (25:35):
I always also forget, that's my child's name.
it's almost like I named mychild after Ri Sager, my, one of
my all-time favorite

Spoons-1 (25:41):
Well,

Wheezy (25:42):
although that's

Spoons-1 (25:43):
yeah, I was gonna say offer, quick offer by his name
is actually not Ri Sager, it'sTodd Ritter, which is, I think
Ri Sager is a better name, but,

Wheezy (25:52):
That's a little too close to Tom Riddle if you ask
me, but that's okay.

Spoons-1 (25:56):
um, he also has another, wait, actually I don't
trust that.
I'm so sorry.
Yeah.
Alan Finn.

Wheezy (26:03):
it is Alan Finn.
'cause it's a, the Cat Campbellseries I

Spoons-1 (26:07):
No.
Yes, for sure.

Wheezy (26:08):
No.
Sorry.
Alan Finn is things Half inShadow.
He published some under his realname this one's, according to
Wikipedia, as he, under his realname, Todd Ritter supposedly
published the Cat Campbellseries.
But then when he had otherbooks, because like he didn't
feel like the sale stood up wellenough that he thought like it
was gonna be harder to convincea publisher to promote his books

(26:30):
under his actual name.
And so he started going by adifferent

Spoons-1 (26:33):
That's so cool that you can be successful under like
several identities.
You know, you're just like, no Idon't even need my name.

Wheezy (26:40):
still don't understand Alan Finn.
I feel like there's not a lotof, and Alan, he only has one
thing published under Alan FinnThings Half in And I don't
understand why.
I feel like it's, feels likemurky as to why he's using Alan
Finn ever anyways.

Gino (26:55):
Maybe whatever he published was personal.
He didn't want it

Spoons-1 (26:59):
yeah.
Maybe

Gino (27:00):
associated.

Wheezy (27:01):
jokes on him.
Wikipedia knows everything.

Spoons-1 (27:04):
our good friend Wikipedia.

Gino (27:05):
committed.

Wheezy (27:07):
Oh

Spoons-1 (27:07):
Oh my God.
Ri no.
Oh my God, that's crazy.

Wheezy (27:11):
no, you said that.
And I was like, what did he do?
My son, what did he do?
And I looked at the babymonitor.
My son's name is Ri If

Spoons-1 (27:17):
Oh my God.
Ri okay.
I didn't realize that FinalGirls was like the first Ri
Sager book.
I think that Final Girls wasgood, but it wasn't my favorite.

Wheezy (27:27):
kind of makes sense.
Yeah, same.
I just read that one and I would

Spoons-1 (27:31):
I have read Final Girls the last time I Lied Home
Before Dark and this one, andthen I have read quite a bit of
the only one left, but I haven'tfinished it yet.
So I am,

Wheezy (27:43):
I've read Final Girls Lock Every Door Home Before
Dark.
Survive the Night, the only oneleft Middle of the night with a
vengeance.

Spoons-1 (27:53):
that's like almost all of them.
Yeah.

Gino (27:55):
At the

Spoons-1 (27:55):
These,

Gino (27:56):
I know

Wheezy (27:56):
Almost all of This is one of the,

Gino (27:58):
the house

Spoons-1 (27:59):
Which my entire family read on family vacation.
They just passed it around toeach other and then I'm the one
who ended up with it, so it's onmy shelf.
I still haven't read it, butlike my grandpa, I think read
it.
My aunt, my mom, like they wouldjust pass it to each other when
they were done.
It was so funny.
So

Wheezy (28:14):
I am gonna get it on audio book next, but the problem
is then I also really wanna ownthe copy.
And this is something whereSpoons will like, we'll go and
get her book signed by authorsat like author readings and
stuff.
And I have never had any desireto, except for

Spoons-1 (28:25):
you guys

Wheezy (28:27):
like I was looking@risager.com or whatever
and I was like,

Gino (28:30):
My

Wheezy (28:30):
she has the signed copy.
I

Spoons-1 (28:32):
I did, but I bought it like that.
It was, I got it in Colorado.
It was already signed, but isn'tthat exciting?
Anyway,

Wheezy (28:38):
That's so cool.
What about your friend Gino?

Gino (28:41):
Yeah, he got the signed copy too.

Spoons-1 (28:44):
Amazing.

Wheezy (28:45):
Todd Ritter.
Tom Riddle, it's fine.
I wanna meet him so badly.
I wanna be like, you're thereason that I love thrillers.
And he'd be like, okay,

Spoons-1 (28:53):
Okay, thanks.

Wheezy (28:54):
can I sign your book?

Spoons-1 (28:55):
All right.
Get outta my line.

Wheezy (28:57):
like you don't understand.
This changed everything for, itreally did open up like a whole
world of fiction I never thoughtI'd have any interest in, and it
is most of my escape isthrillers

Spoons-1 (29:05):
Oh my God, that's awesome.

Wheezy (29:06):
Thank

Spoons-1 (29:07):
Thank you.
Ri Sager.
Sh.

Wheezy (29:08):
you Spoons.
Because you introduced

Spoons-1 (29:10):
You're welcome.
Should we do first impressions,Gino?
Do you wanna go first?

Wheezy (29:14):
Yeah.

Gino (29:15):
So I saw it on the list of books we were reading with a
vengeance and I was like, noidea what this is.
And when I looked it up and Isaw by Ri Sager, I realized that
my friend had, like the daybefore he's been posting things
that he reads this year onFacebook, With like a little
review of like what he likesabout it or whatever.

(29:36):
And I had

Wheezy (29:37):
Oh, he is a book blogger.

Gino (29:39):
Yeah.
Whatever he had posted.
It Riley Sager.
And so I immediately texted him.
I was like, what's the book youjust read?
And it was not withinterventions, but then I told
him, I was like, oh, we'rereading this one next to he is.
That's when he was like, ohyeah, I just got the signed copy
of that one.
So he had read two either books,I think by Riley Sager, but I do
not remember which ones.
And the one he really liked.

(30:00):
And the other one, he was like,he said there was too many
twists and turns.
He's like, he

Spoons-1 (30:04):
Oh,

Gino (30:04):
Ugh over it, like,

Wheezy (30:06):
Interesting.

Gino (30:08):
But I don't remember

Wheezy (30:08):
I wonder if it was Final Girls.
I don't know.
It was good.
But there's such like adifference in like you can tell
there's such a differencebetween Final Girls and all the
other ones I've read.
It was good, but it felt morelike something by Lisa Jewel, if
you know what I'm saying.
Different.
A

Spoons-1 (30:21):
I do not.
But I

Wheezy (30:22):
way

Spoons-1 (30:22):
love that you said that.

Gino (30:24):
it's like literally no one does

Wheezy (30:26):
Literally no

Spoons-1 (30:27):
This kind of reads more like a jewel than

Wheezy (30:29):
anyone?
Anyone.

Spoons-1 (30:30):
His early works don't represent

Wheezy (30:32):
saying

Spoons-1 (30:33):
the

Wheezy (30:33):
definitely not comparable to wear by any means.
I just read two Ruth wear booksin a row, so

Gino (30:39):
So I got the book immediately'cause the weight on
my,

Wheezy (30:43):
Yep.

Gino (30:44):
you guys always say that I am able to get all my books on
audiobook like so immediately.
Not this one.
The wait was 37 years.
Not exactly, but that's what Ifelt like it was like, there are
783 people

Spoons-1 (30:55):
oh.

Gino (30:56):
of you and I was like, Ooh, I don't have that time.

Wheezy (30:59):
Because it's new.

Gino (31:01):
got the actual physical copy And.

Wheezy (31:04):
yeah.

Gino (31:05):
Then I was like, oh, I can buzz through this in two days.
And then I proceeded toprocrastinate for reasons for
and a half.
And then yesterday I was like,all right, if I read 142 pages
today and 142 pages tomorrow andthen I'll be good, it's fine.
And so I,

Spoons-1 (31:20):
And you did it.

Wheezy (31:20):
forbid, I was like, you know, we could postpone a day.
There's literally no reason thatwe can't.
And she was like, I can'tbelieve you would say that to
me.
That's

Spoons-1 (31:27):
I'm not a quitter.

Wheezy (31:28):
And I was like, I mean, we absolutely cannot.
We must record tomorrow or neveragain.

Gino (31:34):
yeah, I literally was like, do not take this away from
me.
But I finished it in like twohours this

Spoons-1 (31:40):
Oh, nice.

Gino (31:41):
42 pages left, and I start at like seven 20 and was done by
nine

Spoons-1 (31:46):
I feel like the last

Wheezy (31:48):
yeah.

Spoons-1 (31:49):
yeah, about 150 pages.
I was like, what?
I was pretty locked in.

Wheezy (31:53):
Yeah.

Gino (31:53):
What was your first impression?
Spoons.

Spoons-1 (31:56):
My first impression was I saw it at this cute
bookstore in Colorado and wentNew Ri Sager.
I didn't know that was out.
And then I was like, sign copy.
And then I bought it.
So, that was kind of, I alreadywas like, I'm going to like it
because I liked everything elseI read by him.
And I do really think the coveris good.
I like the the big blue lettersand I like the train and I think

(32:21):
it's a great cover.
And I like this red spine andyeah,

Wheezy (32:29):
It is beautiful.
The red spine looks really

Spoons-1 (32:31):
I think it looks nice.
So yeah, I'm a fan of that.
So that was kinda my impression.
I was like, yep, sounds good.
I'm in.
Oh, and then I was like 1942.
Actually, it takes place in thefifties, but.
The fact that it was like aperiod piece almost caught my
eye as well.
'cause I was like, okay,interesting.
Because all the other ones I'veread have not really been in the
past.

(32:52):
I

Wheezy (32:52):
I, my first impression of this was I had seen a book
called With a Vengeance, butsort of like skated past it.
It was just like a recommend,like a recommendation on Amazon
or something.
And I didn't realize it was riSager until Spoons, I think, on
air.
And one of the episodes waslike, yeah, there's this new
book by RI Sager or whatever,it's a period piece on a train
or something like that.
And my brain immediately went,oh my God, it's like a murder on

(33:13):
the Orient Express and it's riSager no freaking way.
And I got so super excited andimmediately ordered it.
So that was kind of my firstimpression.
I was very excited.

Spoons-1 (33:23):
excitement.

Wheezy (33:24):
I do love Murder on the Orient Express and the movie
that they did recently, I guess,I dunno if it was that recently
now, but the newest movie as of2025.
I don't

Spoons-1 (33:33):
Yeah, with Brianna,

Wheezy (33:34):
I enjoy it.

Gino (33:35):
was like three or four years

Spoons-1 (33:36):
I love all the Hercule Perot movies that are coming
out.
I can't wait for the next one.
I'm like, he can just,

Wheezy (33:43):
murder on the Orient Express, like I'm gonna watch
anytime it's cold outside.
I'm like,

Spoons-1 (33:49):
yeah.

Wheezy (33:50):
Murder on the Orient Express.

Spoons-1 (33:52):
have like Beef with Murder on the Orient Express,
which I know is unfair, but I'mlike, it's not fair that
everyone did it.
That's not fair.
That's a cop out Agatha itpisses me off.
But, um, but I know somebody hadto do it, you know, it might as
well have been Agatha, but itmakes me mad.
I'm like, that's not fair.
How, how am I supposed to guessthat, you know?

(34:13):
But

Wheezy (34:14):
Ever since Murder on The Orient Express, whenever I read
a thriller where it's obvioussomeone has been murdered, I'm
like, what if everyone did it?
Which never would've everoccurred to me,

Spoons-1 (34:22):
yeah, she is.

Wheezy (34:23):
She did it once and it's gonna stick with me forever.

Gino (34:26):
I love when we read murder mysteries because I love getting
wheezy takes as they go along.
She's

Wheezy (34:33):
I knew exactly where you were going with that.

Gino (34:35):
I had this friend, this is like off on a tangent, but not
did y'all read Aragon?

Spoons-1 (34:41):
I have not, but I, I know if a Bella had about it,

Wheezy (34:44):
spoons.

Spoons-1 (34:45):
I never read Aragon.
I know everything that happensin Aragon.
Okay.

Wheezy (34:49):
I'm gonna tell Lacey she's gonna be at the retreat
and she's

Spoons-1 (34:51):
I'm sorry.

Wheezy (34:52):
'cause she's on my team anyways.

Spoons-1 (34:54):
Yeah.
Traitor.

Gino (34:55):
watching the movie, these Oh, so great movie, which by the
way, they're making anothermovie or a TV series or
something.
And Christopher Palini actuallyhas like,

Spoons-1 (35:05):
What?

Gino (35:05):
on the script, so like, he's the

Spoons-1 (35:09):
Oh, that's fun.

Gino (35:10):
if he's actually writing it or he is making like, all the
edits to it and stuff.

Wheezy (35:14):
he was homeschooled,

Spoons-1 (35:15):
Yeah, and it shows.
He wrote a frigging dragon bookthat's basically Star Wars like,
yeah, when he was like 16,obviously he was homeschooled.

Wheezy (35:23):
Yeah, he was very successful though.

Gino (35:25):
Oh goodness.
But,

Wheezy (35:27):
So you watched the first movie, which by the way, I read,
I watched the movie before Iread the book, and I really
liked the movie.
So if you've, if you watched themovie with absolutely zero
context about the story ofAragon, it's a really good,

Spoons-1 (35:38):
I like that Jimmy from Downton Abbey is in it.
Anyway, I'm sorry.

Gino (35:42):
Oh.
Yeah.
So we were watching the movie,this friend who had never read
the books.
I was watching it with her andshe, I just remember at one
point she yells out, like, oh mygosh, has a baby and the baby's
name is eldest.
And like,'cause the secondbook's eldest.
And I was like, no.
Like it's the farthest thingfrom anything.

(36:03):
So it became like anytimesomeone made this like, jump the
shark.
You know, these like wild, well,I

Wheezy (36:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Gino (36:09):
but like, whenever anyone Guesses that are like extremely
inaccurate, like Phi had a babyand its name was ELs.
That's what I think of now whenyou're like, oh, this happened,
like.

Wheezy (36:19):
Oh

Spoons-1 (36:19):
that I'm gonna start saying that.

Wheezy (36:21):
that is wild.
Oh my god.
Severe head.
Maybe his name was Elvis.

Gino (36:25):
It's like literally not,

Spoons-1 (36:26):
like, that's not it.
Nope.

Wheezy (36:28):
even a little bit.
Oh, that is so funny.
My brother-in-law's is rereadingthe Aragon series now, or
reading it for the first time.
It really is making a comebacklike

Spoons-1 (36:37):
Well, I think PE.

Gino (36:39):
I'm rereading it because I wanna read the Ttag book that
he,

Spoons-1 (36:42):
Yeah, I think that's why people are into it again.

Wheezy (36:45):
Do we need to read Aragon on

Spoons-1 (36:46):
Let's do it.
I wanna read it.

Wheezy (36:48):
What else are we gonna take?
We'll deal with this later, butwhat else are we gonna bump off?
Well see, you just read us, youdon't have to read it again, so
you can have just have like abreak or spoons and I can just
do an episode.

Spoons-1 (36:58):
Or it could be

Gino (36:58):
about

Spoons-1 (36:59):
solo episode.
And I just am like, here's whatI think for myself.

Wheezy (37:04):
like that One time that I did a totally

Spoons-1 (37:06):
Yeah, that was

Wheezy (37:08):
which is an

Spoons-1 (37:08):
very impressive.

Wheezy (37:09):
thriller.
Thank you.
I think about that sometimes andI'm like, I really just talked
to myself for an hour and a halfand honestly it was enjoyable.

Spoons-1 (37:17):
listened to the whole thing and I was like,

Gino (37:18):
do solo

Spoons-1 (37:19):
yeah, you did great.

Wheezy (37:22):
No

Spoons-1 (37:22):
I totally like bailed on you.
So it was very bad of me andgood of you to do it.

Wheezy (37:27):
It was awesome.
I was, honestly, I was reallygood'cause I kind of always
wanted to know if I was

Spoons-1 (37:32):
And you were.

Wheezy (37:32):
now I know I'm capable of it.
It's not super fun, but I Didit.
Nailed

Spoons-1 (37:36):
it.

Wheezy (37:37):
Take that bureaucracy.

Spoons-1 (37:38):
Okay.
Should we talk about whathappens in movies?

Wheezy (37:41):
It's.
Yeah, I

Spoons-1 (37:42):
So, just so everyone knows, if you've never been here
before, we do do full spoilersin this podcast.
So if you want to know whathappens at the end of this, who
done it?
Mystery.
Don't listen to the rest of thisbecause we'll tell you.
So Basically,

Wheezy (37:57):
do leave us a five

Spoons-1 (37:58):
yeah.
But yeah.
Really quick before you go.

Gino (38:00):
Obsess

Wheezy (38:00):
then join Team KA

Spoons-1 (38:02):
Yeah.
Or or Sassy spin.
Yeah.
Uh, Basically our main characteris named Anna Matheson.
Sorry, I just started talking.
Is that okay or do y'all wanna,okay.

Wheezy (38:14):
I read this like over a week ago, and I've read several
other books since then

Spoons-1 (38:18):
okay.

Wheezy (38:18):
Readathon.
So I if, yeah, if I randomlythrow in a character name that
has

Spoons-1 (38:22):
Yeah,

Wheezy (38:23):
book, that's

Spoons-1 (38:23):
George, you know, Frida, you're like, what is, who
are they?

Wheezy (38:27):
Okay.

Spoons-1 (38:27):
so,

Wheezy (38:28):
Like,

Spoons-1 (38:29):
and you don't know

Wheezy (38:29):
know.

Spoons-1 (38:30):
I was in the epilogue.
So Anna Mathison is shebasically, she is this woman who
was wronged in her past by sixpeople that she kind of tricks
into being on a train and it'sonly them.
And

Wheezy (38:47):
she's like the archetype of a woman

Spoons-1 (38:48):
she is a woman's corn

Wheezy (38:50):
Like every description about her, they're like, she's
into like a scarlet dress thatjust barely hides the knife she
has

Spoons-1 (38:57):
like so slay.

Wheezy (38:58):
her beautiful blonde hair is in a tight bun so that
it won't get in her way.
And the only jewelry she wearsis a little pin in the shape of
a train on her dress.
And you're like, like she'sexclusively there

Spoons-1 (39:10):
She is there to

Wheezy (39:11):
She's

Spoons-1 (39:12):
yes.
Get shit done.
She is not messing around.

Wheezy (39:16):
she wouldn't put up with bureaucracy, I'm just saying.

Spoons-1 (39:19):
She has gone

Wheezy (39:21):
doesn't.
In fact,

Spoons-1 (39:22):
she's, yeah, she is.
She's involving,

Gino (39:25):
She literally,

Spoons-1 (39:25):
go ahead.
Oh, she's involving the FBI.

Gino (39:29):
does involve

Spoons-1 (39:30):
Yeah, but to the,

Wheezy (39:32):
does a little bit, but she's also like, they're gonna
take too long.
So I'm gonna basically

Spoons-1 (39:36):
and also she wants to see everyone's squirm.
So she has arranged this like 11hour train, express train, ride
to Chicago and only invitedthese specific people with the
express purpose of watching themrealize that their lives are
over and having fun with that.
'cause she wants them to sufferbecause they all kind of work
together to, i'll just, I guessI'll just say what they did.

(40:00):
Yeah, they,

Gino (40:01):
Yeah.

Spoons-1 (40:01):
It's in the beginning.
They her dad was this guy,really rich guy who owned like
this train business company and

Gino (40:11):
Essentially like the

Spoons-1 (40:13):
Right, yeah.
And so they there was like thisthing during the World War II
where they were transporting allthese soldiers and stuff on this
train in like domestically, butthe train blew up and everyone
died and like all these weaponsgot destroyed and stuff and

Wheezy (40:30):
Including Anna

Spoons-1 (40:31):
including her brother and,

Gino (40:34):
well, her father

Spoons-1 (40:34):
yeah, no, he was later.

Wheezy (40:36):
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I got

Spoons-1 (40:38):
And so all these people died and everything was
bad.
And then they were like, oh myGod, it's because her dad must
be a Nazi sympathizer.
And they basically, he went tolike jail for it and all of
this.
And then he got killed in prisonand then her mother went crazy
and killed herself.
And so then she was an orphanand had to go live with her

(40:59):
horrible aunt.
And so her life totally gotruined like 12 years ago.
And she

Wheezy (41:05):
Yeah.

Spoons-1 (41:06):
like that the people who actually were responsible
for this thing, were like herdad's main business rival.
And then like certain people whoworked in the company and then
like her

Wheezy (41:17):
People who are close

Spoons-1 (41:18):
close to the family.
And they all got a big payoutfor helping.
And so.

Wheezy (41:23):
her nanny, her basically surrogate sister.

Spoons-1 (41:27):
it's so bad.
Fuso.
I was like, I wonder like, whatcould have been so bad to
justify this?
And then when they tell you, I'mlike, oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah.
No, that's really bad.
Yeah.
Okay.

Wheezy (41:36):
it was a little freaky at first because like Anna
Matheson and her sort of likepartner in the whole scheme,
Seamus whose brother also diedin the training explosion.
So they're, they've concoctedthis plan together.
And Seamus is clearly in lovewith Anna, but she's not into
him like that.
Where am I going with this?

Spoons-1 (41:51):
It was weird.

Wheezy (41:52):
Oh yes, the violent tendencies.

Spoons-1 (41:56):
Oh yeah.

Wheezy (41:57):
Anna Madison would

Spoons-1 (41:57):
I,

Wheezy (41:58):
like, I've pictured all of the horrible ways that I
could kill them.
I want to kill them with my barehands, every one of them.
And I'm like, wow.
She is like, she wants to gether hands dirty.
Like she wants to

Spoons-1 (42:10):
she's serious.

Wheezy (42:11):
I was like, are we, is this, are we a murderer?
Is this, are we murdering now?
Is the murder book?

Gino (42:16):
I definitely had a theory at a couple points in the book
that she was actually the oneBecause she kept having those
like fuzzy

Spoons-1 (42:25):
Yes.

Gino (42:26):
and I was

Wheezy (42:27):
Yeah, I did too.
I had the same thought.

Gino (42:29):
that she is

Spoons-1 (42:30):
Yeah, I had the same thought.
So basically like when sheconfronts everyone, oh, also her
dad's business rival didn't showup on the train, but his son
did.
His son who is very handsome andshe used to have an

Wheezy (42:44):
Dante.

Gino (42:45):
lover?

Spoons-1 (42:45):
is like her boyfriend.
And he has like nothing to dowith it.

Wheezy (42:48):
totally like scorned

Spoons-1 (42:50):
Yeah,

Wheezy (42:50):
So she's got beef with him for other reasons.
She's also like, bro,

Spoons-1 (42:54):
yeah.
She's like,

Wheezy (42:55):
Did he send you?
And he's like, what?
No, I just saw the invitationand I thought I would come see
you'cause I like missed youbabe.
was, she's like, not

Spoons-1 (43:02):
she's like, okay, I'm kind of busy.
So,

Gino (43:05):
I am busy.
I.

Spoons-1 (43:06):
but this, the one guy who like built the train
basically.
Dies at the beginning, afterthey're all having like
martinis.
He like, yeah, his name is Jed.
And he like starts foaming atthe mouth and like falls over
dead.
And then immediately after theyfind out somebody else is on the
train and he is this guy who'slike, I just happened to get on
the wrong train.
Like, I'm so sorry.

(43:27):
What's his name?
Reggie.
Yes.
And they're like, oh my God.
And so immediately things go badfor Anna and Seamus.
They're like, okay, this is notpart of the plan.
And they're kind of freakingout.
But, um,

Gino (43:40):
Oh yeah.
Because Anna, even though shetalks about wanting to strangle
them and murder them with theirown hands, she also doesn't want
that because she wants them tosuffer long and hard.
She's like, death is Them.
So the whole plan is she gaveall the evidence to the FBI and
told them like that they'd be onthis train arriving in Chicago
at this time, And she justwanted to watch everyone on the

(44:02):
train.
Find this out and then squirmfor 12 hours.
And then she wanted to watchthem when they got there and
they were all arrested and liketheir lives were ruined and
embarrassed like her father was.
'cause he was ripped from their

Wheezy (44:14):
Yeah.

Gino (44:15):
of blowing up the train when he really wasn't.
And she Them disgraced likethat.
So that's why she

Wheezy (44:21):
Yeah.

Gino (44:22):
her plan is not to murder them.

Wheezy (44:24):
Yeah.
She also kind of wants to clearher father's name in the public
eye because he went to prison asa Nazi sympathizer and was
murdered in prison.
So she would like to clear hisname, but that's hard if you
kill all the people who actuallydid it.

Spoons-1 (44:37):
Yeah, so I, it's so hard to like recap who done.
It's because so many thingshappen in the middle

Wheezy (44:46):
There's

Spoons-1 (44:46):
and

Wheezy (44:46):
details.

Spoons-1 (44:47):
I.

Wheezy (44:48):
Well, so let's, okay, so let's just there's very few
characters.
So really quickly, let's just,Judd is the first one to die
with by poisoning.
Yes.
The engineer.
So the one most culpabletechnically.

Spoons-1 (45:00):
Yeah.
'cause he made the train toexplode.

Wheezy (45:02):
Yeah.
Dante's.
He designed it Dante's father.
What was the Dante's father's

Spoons-1 (45:08):
Kenneth

Wheezy (45:09):
K.
Is the one who engineered thewhole situation.
So, but he's not on the trainsupposedly.
Let's see, and then there's

Spoons-1 (45:17):
Sal.
Oh yeah.
Herb.

Wheezy (45:19):
Oh, herb.
Herb.
Or Herb or whatever.
He just kind of sucks.

Gino (45:24):
He is kind of a grease ball, but he he's the

Wheezy (45:27):
Yeah.

Gino (45:28):
did the physical building.
He is the mechanic, That blewup.

Wheezy (45:32):
He's just basically greedy.
Yeah, who was basically like asecretary, but like in like,
like a pseudo like older sisterfigure to Anna all growing up.
then

Spoons-1 (45:44):
Edith the house.

Wheezy (45:47):
Their German nanny who raised her and

Spoons-1 (45:49):
Yes.

Wheezy (45:50):
and

Spoons-1 (45:51):
And she planted evidence in their house.

Wheezy (45:53):
guy.
Yeah.

Spoons-1 (45:55):
Laps for the general who was like

Gino (46:00):
Yeah.

Wheezy (46:00):
Yeah.

Spoons-1 (46:01):
well.
And so

Wheezy (46:02):
Those

Spoons-1 (46:03):
everybody.
And then Reggie and Anna andShamus and, So after Jed,

Wheezy (46:07):
People start

Spoons-1 (46:08):
Jed dies.

Gino (46:09):
dies and they're like, he was poisoned.
Anna finds like residue in hisAnd then Reggie shows up and
she's like, who are you?
And he is like, I got on thewrong train.
And she's like, I don't knowthat I believe this guy.
But then everyone's searching,being searched to see who has
the poison on them, Frisked.
And Reggie frisks her becauseshe doesn't, she can't stand any

(46:34):
of these murders touching her,and Shame as her partner to be
truthful.
And so Reggie like finds theknife on her, but he doesn't say
anything.
So then she's like, I stilldon't think he's who he says he
is.
But I kind of trust him more'cause he didn't

Wheezy (46:47):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So

Spoons-1 (46:49):
And

Wheezy (46:50):
And then E Edith

Spoons-1 (46:52):
yes, and we find out Edith was a literal Nazi, Which
was rough.

Wheezy (46:56):
That's unfortunate.

Gino (46:57):
they, yeah,

Wheezy (46:58):
been out.
She's like, I loved you and yourbrother so much is my own
children, but also I am a Naziand

Spoons-1 (47:04):
She's like, and I did do it for Germany.
Thank you.
I was like, girl.

Wheezy (47:08):
Nobody take that soundbite out of context, by the
way.
No one, take that soundbite.

Gino (47:12):
in

Wheezy (47:13):
It was a quote from the character Edith.

Gino (47:16):
oh no, we're

Spoons-1 (47:17):
Wait, what's, Oh my God.

Gino (47:20):
in her opening chapter, Edith like, kind of ends the
chapter with like, but I knewone day I'd have to choose like
I moved to America and I knewone day I'd have to choose.
And when I did, I knew where myallegiances would lie
essentially.
And it leaves it very like thefirst chapter of hers cliff
hangry of like, well, which isit?
Is she like.
Rooting for America now,obviously, or Germany.

(47:42):
And then yeah, when right beforeshe dies, she's like, no.
I love y'all.
But gotta do, I mean, we'rebetter, like, we're better than
everyone

Spoons-1 (47:50):
Yeah.
That was crazy.

Wheezy (47:52):
she Although she does have a moment when she's
basically being murdered whereshe's like, maybe I made a
mistake.

Gino (47:59):
yeah.

Wheezy (47:59):
And that's

Gino (48:00):
She's

Wheezy (48:01):
is rough, which.

Gino (48:02):
I thought we were better, but also, why didn't I go back
home then?

Wheezy (48:06):
Yeah, if we, if it's so much better, she's like, well,
maybe I actually threw away,like the family that I loved and
the children that I saw as myown children for this ideology.
And actually it wasn't, none ofit was actually worth it.
It was a huge

Spoons-1 (48:15):
Oh,

Wheezy (48:16):
she's dead.
She's murdered.

Spoons-1 (48:18):
rough, buddy.

Gino (48:19):
is strangled.

Spoons-1 (48:20):
it's got strangled.

Wheezy (48:21):
yeah.
Or suffocated.
Or Is asphyxiated.

Gino (48:25):
to look like she's strangled, which earlier Anna
had lost her temper and.
Like started strangling Edith.
So it's kind of made to lookAnna did it.
And you

Wheezy (48:35):
Yeah.

Gino (48:36):
her aunt earlier spoons that she went to live with and
you're like her horrible aunt.
I kind of like her aunt.

Spoons-1 (48:42):
Well, he was okay, but

Gino (48:45):
tender loving,

Wheezy (48:46):
She's like the aunt in little women, at least in like
the Broadway musical version.
Right.

Spoons-1 (48:52):
oh my gosh.

Wheezy (48:54):
like, kind of awful, but like there's a logic to it.
Like

Spoons-1 (48:57):
Yeah, I mean, I understood

Wheezy (49:00):
She's like, you need

Spoons-1 (49:00):
what he was coming from,

Wheezy (49:02):
to not flinch.

Spoons-1 (49:04):
but it sounded like a, not a fun life,

Wheezy (49:07):
work.

Spoons-1 (49:08):
immediately,

Wheezy (49:09):
No.

Gino (49:10):
Myla just made me watch Enola Holmes and that's who she
reminded me of is the mom andEnola

Spoons-1 (49:16):
oh, yeah, I've seen that.
I,

Gino (49:18):
'cause she was like,

Wheezy (49:19):
I have not.

Gino (49:20):
teach you how to do all these things and kick butt,

Wheezy (49:23):
Interesting.
And she the aunt is the one whowas doing the investigative work
and we find, spoiler, we findout that Dante had collected a
bunch of evidence and sent it toher aunt.
But that's basically how likeAnna got started.
Like she had not like figuredout any of this on her own.
She was just like, well, nowthat the information has been
given to me by my now dead aunt,I'm going to basically take all

(49:45):
of my inheritance and all themoney I have.
To book the train that used tobe my father's and concoct, this
whole

Spoons-1 (49:51):
yeah.
I was so gagged when I found outthat Dante was the one who had
sent all the info.
I loved that.

Wheezy (49:59):
I was like,

Spoons-1 (50:00):
ugh.
He is so charming.
Unfortunately, you know, it'slike, ugh, okay, fine.
You got me.

Wheezy (50:05):
He really

Spoons-1 (50:05):
I loved him.
Just like casually playing thepiano whenever everyone's like
freaking out.

Wheezy (50:10):
Honestly, he was like one of the only like charming
men.
Even like Reggie was just liketoo suspicious to be charming
and all the other

Spoons-1 (50:16):
Ugh.
I loved Reggie though.

Wheezy (50:18):
like

Gino (50:20):
There was a small part where I was rooting for Reggie,
like

Spoons-1 (50:23):
yeah,

Gino (50:24):
I was like, oh,

Spoons-1 (50:25):
I thought he was so cute.

Gino (50:26):
can,

Wheezy (50:27):
was a really short moment where I was like, is he
gonna be like the OT of thiswhole thing?
No.

Spoons-1 (50:32):
Oh,

Wheezy (50:32):
And I was like, no.
That was like a full like 30seconds of like

Spoons-1 (50:35):
well, I loved how Anna had like three hot men lusting
after her this whole time.
She's doing her vengeance plot.
I was like, good for you, girl.
Like.

Wheezy (50:45):
And she really did not

Spoons-1 (50:47):
No.

Wheezy (50:47):
She gave like a tiny shit about Dante, but that, I
mean barely.
She was like, I don't have timefor any of you losers.
I'm on a mission.
Like she just could not havecared any

Spoons-1 (50:57):
Yeah.

Wheezy (50:58):
That was crazy.

Spoons-1 (50:58):
So then Edith dies and then we also, I don't remember
exactly when, but we find outthat it Jack or not Jack, I'm
sorry.
Reggie is,

Gino (51:08):
Ju.

Spoons-1 (51:08):
go ahead.
Oh yeah, he's in the FBI.

Gino (51:11):
Okay.

Spoons-1 (51:11):
So he kind of, it was not an accident.
He happened upon the train onpurpose.

Gino (51:17):
Yeah, he was

Spoons-1 (51:18):
Yeah.
And I was loving that.
And then there's just a lot oflike

Gino (51:23):
oh, then Herb, herb starts freaking out.
'cause he's like, they're goingdown the train.
He's like, the first person'sroom is Judds.
And then this next is Edith.
He's like, I'm next.
I'm next.
And Anna's like, be quiet and goto your room.

Spoons-1 (51:36):
Shadow shut up.

Gino (51:37):
you're fine.
Go to your

Wheezy (51:38):
I'm not gonna my room.
And if you try and make me, I'mgonna slit your throat with this
bread knife.
I'm already in

Gino (51:45):
Yeah.

Wheezy (51:46):
my room.
Cute.

Gino (51:48):
then, yeah, he does get his throat slit in his room.
Like Seamus is standing outsidethe door guarding it, and then
they Trickling out and theyburst through it and they're
like, oh,

Wheezy (51:58):
Yeah.

Gino (51:59):
well he is dead and how, and they're like, someone must
have climbed through the window.

Spoons-1 (52:05):
Yeah.

Wheezy (52:06):
And this is when suspicion starts to turn towards
Anna because not only did Herbajust held her at knife point,
essentially trying to convinceher that he was gonna be the
next one killed.
And he almost slit her throatand then he died by his throat
being slit.
And we know Anna has a knife onher and they, when she was
looking at the window to try andfigure out how somebody could
like crawl on the outside of thetrain, they found her little

(52:29):
like lapel pin, the littletrain, pin that used to belong
to Or something on the ground.
And so they're like Anna, howdid this get in here?
And anyways, she's very clearlybeing framed obviously, but
that's when suspicions start toturn and be like, well, maybe it
was Anna, which is when I wasthe least convinced that it was
Anna.

Spoons-1 (52:48):
It's like, well, it can't be Anna.
Yeah.

Wheezy (52:50):
Oh, nah too many, too much evidence.

Spoons-1 (52:52):
Yeah.
Like,

Gino (52:53):
The whole time though, she was really fixated on Or
lieutenant, I don't know.
I never once was like, it's, Iwas like,

Wheezy (52:59):
I never did either.

Gino (53:00):
all.
She was so

Wheezy (53:01):
No.

Spoons-1 (53:02):
was, yeah, it would've been too obvious, like, I don't
know, because he was such ajerk, you know?
So it was like, okay, well it'snot gonna be him, and then it's
never the jerk.
So that's why like for a briefmoment, I was like, oh, I really
hope Dante doesn't have anythingto do with this.
And then when I was like.
Yeah,

Gino (53:18):
I

Spoons-1 (53:18):
but then I kind of, I didn't suspect him as much.
My main, I was really proud ofmyself, you guys, because my
main suspects were Seamus andReggie the whole time and I was
right.
Spoiler alert for the end.
But yeah, I was really proud.
Although I did obviously flipflop somewhat.

(53:39):
I was like, well maybe Dante onthe walls.
I dunno.

Wheezy (53:42):
I suspected Reggie pretty soon on.
I didn't suspect Seamus for awhile.
I just really didn't wannasuspect him.
I was so sad.
was very clearly like, I amchoosing to be blind

Spoons-1 (53:52):
I do not see it.
Me with Dylan Van Helsing, I donot see it.
I cannot,

Wheezy (53:56):
dunno what you're talking about,

Gino (53:58):
Maybe instead of recapping the murder mystery books from
none.
We'll just recap we thought itwas over like, well, first I
thought it

Spoons-1 (54:06):
yeah,

Gino (54:07):
I thought this then because this,

Spoons-1 (54:09):
was totally, yeah.

Wheezy (54:10):
I mean that's basically what reading them is like.

Spoons-1 (54:12):
Okay.
I was surprised by so manythings though because I didn't
expect Jed to be the first oneto die.
And then I also didn't expectlapse for to last the whole
time, like, you know,

Gino (54:25):
Yeah.

Wheezy (54:26):
also

Spoons-1 (54:26):
at the beginning.

Gino (54:27):
Although judge was not the first

Spoons-1 (54:29):
That's true, because he

Gino (54:31):
he

Spoons-1 (54:31):
turns out he wasn't dead.

Wheezy (54:34):
Turns out

Spoons-1 (54:34):
was so satisfying.

Wheezy (54:36):
his death.
Sal also spoiler, I suppose,faked her death.
Also we found out she's lesbianor bi.
I don't know, I don't think thatwas clarified.

Gino (54:46):
from the beginning, I was like, immediately from

Wheezy (54:48):
I also was not surprised.

Spoons-1 (54:50):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Wheezy (54:51):
I didn't feel it from the beginning, but I wasn't

Spoons-1 (54:53):
not surprised.

Wheezy (54:54):
it, I felt like, like Anna was being so dense.
Sal was like, she has some linewhere she's like, no man could
have done blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, it was a woman.
She's lesbian.
Like I just, and Anna was like,whatever, could she mean?
And I'm like, well, I wonder

Spoons-1 (55:09):
I know.

Wheezy (55:10):
Man, woman, she says, it's not a man.

Spoons-1 (55:13):
I was like, I know it's 1954 girl, but like, get
your head outta your ass.
You know, like it so obvious.

Wheezy (55:19):
I felt so bad for

Spoons-1 (55:20):
I did too.

Wheezy (55:21):
all the people on the train, I think I felt like

Spoons-1 (55:23):
I,

Wheezy (55:23):
for her because she didn't have anything to do with
the preamble to it.
Like she didn't, she wasn't apart of the setup.
Oops.
I just messed up my plug.
She wasn't a part of the setup.
She was part of covering it up Ifelt like she was, I mean,
obviously it's still not, youstill can't condone it, but I
feel like she was in like aharder spot than the others

(55:45):
were.

Spoons-1 (55:45):
I thought so too.

Gino (55:46):
I didn't feel like she had much remorse at all the whole
time.
Like she seemed just

Wheezy (55:51):
she didn't.
Which,

Gino (55:52):
like, yeah, I did it.

Spoons-1 (55:53):
Yeah.

Gino (55:54):
So

Wheezy (55:54):
well, I think if she had more remorse because her
situation was like so muchclearly, like it was so
different than the other ones.
I think that would've been atlike, I dunno.
I kind, I feel like maybe Riwanted us to hate all of them a
little bit.
It would be really hard to stilllike ha like understand like
Anna's hatred for her as much ifshe hadn't still been kind of

Spoons-1 (56:16):
Yeah, it has also been like 12 years and she's like a
heavy drinker.
I think.
You know, she's like numbed allof her thoughts about it

Wheezy (56:26):
She spent all of the money on like, cosmetic stuff
and trying to look young and hot

Spoons-1 (56:32):
and Anna's like, and it didn't work.

Wheezy (56:34):
no efforts towards men's.

Spoons-1 (56:37):
Anna's like, and you're still ugly bitch.

Wheezy (56:38):
She's also made no efforts towards men's.
Yeah.
Suck it Sal.
Yeah.
And then she is, she's the nextone who's found dead.

Gino (56:47):
Judd is refound.

Spoons-1 (56:49):
Yes.

Gino (56:50):
'cause they're like, wait, He's the one killing people.
And then they split up.
Oh, they split up.
And Anna goes with Reggie Seamusgoes with Dante.
And then I was like, literally,I know this is how these things
go.
But every time Anna's like, oh,I'm just gonna get, like, I just
need space to myself for asecond.

(57:11):
And whoever she's with, she'slike, like, let's split up for a
second.
And I was like, literally, everytime you

Wheezy (57:16):
Don't do it.

Gino (57:17):
dies.
Someone

Wheezy (57:19):
You have not seen Scooby do.
She should have

Spoons-1 (57:22):
Come on Anna.

Gino (57:23):
So she's with Reggie and she's like, you go ahead, I'll
be right there.
And then all of a sudden there'snoises and or whatever, and she
finds Reggie stabbed not dead,

Wheezy (57:33):
And he's like, Judd stabbed me.
He's alive.
And they were like,

Spoons-1 (57:36):
I knew immediately that really sealed it for me.
I was like, okay, you liar.
Like, there's no way.
I was so mad at him.
I was like

Wheezy (57:44):
I also was

Spoons-1 (57:45):
I was rooting for you.

Wheezy (57:46):
I don't think so.

Gino (57:47):
yeah, I did have questions at that point.
And so she goes and stitches himup.
And even though I was like,yeah, I think you're part of
this, at this point when he islike, have you ever

Spoons-1 (57:58):
Ugh.

Gino (57:59):
Like you wanna go to a musical?
I was like, oh,

Spoons-1 (58:01):
I know, me too.
I literally out loud said, Ugh,hot.
I was into Reggie.
That would've worked on me,honestly.
I would've been like, of courseI'll go to a musical with you.

Wheezy (58:09):
I

Spoons-1 (58:10):
His blood's all over my hands while I'm stitching'em.

Wheezy (58:13):
Of course I will.

Gino (58:14):
yeah.

Wheezy (58:15):
my God.
Yes.

Gino (58:16):
oh, and that's the point.
If you didn't know, that's thepoint where I texted y'all and I

Spoons-1 (58:20):
Yeah.

Gino (58:20):
I don't get this drinking alcohol while you're being
stitch, because everyone, theydo it in all

Wheezy (58:24):
Ah, that makes sense.

Gino (58:26):
and they're like they're using alcohol, vodka, whatever
to clean the wound.
And then they're like, oh, gimmea swig of that.
And then they're like, allright, here it goes.
And they rip out whatever it isor stitch up, whatever it is.
And everyone's like, and I'mlike, okay, first of all, that
alcohol does not act that fast,so I don't care if you drink
that half that bottle in

Wheezy (58:43):
Maybe it's psychological

Gino (58:45):
seconds is not gonna dull

Spoons-1 (58:46):
No, there's no way.

Gino (58:48):
after that, you're bleeding out anyways and it's
thinning your blood, so you'rejust gonna bleed out more.

Spoons-1 (58:53):
Yeah.
But it makes you look so cool tobe like, gimme that and take a
little swig while you're likebleeding out.
You know?
It kinda looks cool.

Wheezy (59:00):
and if you do survive the excessive blood loss, then
at least you're somewhat numb inthe recovery period.
Like, listen, after I had ri mychild, not ri Seger, obviously,
and the recovery was so bad,honestly, man, being heavily
drunk for so much of thatrecovery would've been so much
better.
Like.

Gino (59:19):
I, I thought you were

Spoons-1 (59:21):
Was so great.
I was like, oh, okay.
Learning things about ash today.
Okay.

Wheezy (59:26):
You were like, I saw you Ash.

Spoons-1 (59:28):
I know.
I was like, oh my God, I didn'teven clock it.

Wheezy (59:31):
no.

Gino (59:32):
just

Wheezy (59:32):
It would've been so much better.

Gino (59:34):
it would've been horrendous.

Spoons-1 (59:37):
But he was looking so cute when he was bleeding out on
the train floor though.
I was like, oh, Reggie, I wish Ilike, I'll go to the musicals
with you.
Literally.
I was like, I know I do suspectyou're probably a murderer, but
I like you.
Like that's what I was feelingin that moment.

Gino (59:52):
And their little banter, he is like, I know you've done
this before.
And she's like, yeah, I'vedefinitely stitched up so many
people.
It's like, great.
So, you know, to like pull thispart of the skin and do that.
She's like, yeah, absolutely.

Spoons-1 (01:00:03):
That was so cute.

Wheezy (01:00:04):
I was like, oh, I didn't know that.
Fascinating.
Like taking notes.
Oh my gosh.

Gino (01:00:09):
but Dante and Shamus show up and they're like, what
happened?
And well, actually no.
passes out.
She's been having these likedreams of Tommy, her Just like
his guts and bones because therewas nothing left of him on the
train.
And she keeps seeing him in thetrain.
She's like, I think he's here.
I think he's alive.

Spoons-1 (01:00:29):
That was so scary.

Gino (01:00:30):
which that in the end I did not see well, no, I did see
actually before that.
Nevermind.
No, I totally saw it beforethat.
I just like, the connectiondidn't make

Spoons-1 (01:00:39):
No I didn't put it together until the end.
I totally didn't.

Wheezy (01:00:42):
Wanted it to be him, so to be her

Spoons-1 (01:00:44):
I kind of thought, because I was like.

Wheezy (01:00:46):
people.
But I was like, I don't believeit,

Spoons-1 (01:00:48):
Well, they never had a body because he got blown to
Severine.
So part of me was like, maybehe's still alive.
You know?
I kind of thought,

Gino (01:00:56):
Yeah.
But

Wheezy (01:00:56):
Yeah.
Maybe he's like horriblydisfigured.

Gino (01:00:59):
like, Before then.
To her

Wheezy (01:01:01):
No.

Gino (01:01:01):
'cause they had such a close bond.
But I did towards

Wheezy (01:01:04):
Well, unless I just like, maybe he somehow like
blames her somehow forsurviving, but I was like, I
don't buy it.
It's probably not him.
That makes me sad.

Gino (01:01:12):
I definitely thought there was a big chance that it was
someone like, not on the All.
I mean, not like, like that wedidn't know

Spoons-1 (01:01:20):
Yes.

Gino (01:01:20):
the train that was in the story.
But so yeah, she's like, Juddstabbed, Reggie and Seamus is
like, what?
That doesn't make sense.
Like when, and she's like, Idon't know, the last 30 minutes
or so.
Cause she had passed out andthen Dante came and was like,
I'm gonna kiss you awake snowWhite.
And so the Seamus is like,follow me.

(01:01:41):
And they go back and find Judd'sbody, like contorted stuffed
into a bathroom, I

Spoons-1 (01:01:48):
Yeah, he was in the bathroom, I think.

Wheezy (01:01:50):
Yeah, I think it's a bathroom because isn't he like
over a

Spoons-1 (01:01:53):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:01:54):
Because I remember being like Ugh, there's no dignity in
that.
No dignity.

Gino (01:01:58):
So he, Judd is actually dead now and then Seamus says he
loses his

Spoons-1 (01:02:02):
No, that's about right.
Yeah.
Like there, at this point, likeso many things happen so fast.
It was like, Seamus gun is gone.

Wheezy (01:02:10):
picks

Spoons-1 (01:02:11):
Then they suspect, oh, LA laps for, ha, what's his
name, has a heart attack.

Gino (01:02:18):
Heart

Spoons-1 (01:02:18):
Yeah.
Sal is dead.
Like everything is happening atonce.

Wheezy (01:02:22):
and he earlier had a heart

Spoons-1 (01:02:24):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:02:25):
cause he was trying to get her to stop the

Spoons-1 (01:02:27):
Yeah, but this one

Wheezy (01:02:29):
he

Spoons-1 (01:02:29):
appears to be real.

Wheezy (01:02:30):
is for real.
appears to

Spoons-1 (01:02:33):
And then,

Gino (01:02:34):
And then Sal

Spoons-1 (01:02:34):
yes, it's like crazy all at once

Wheezy (01:02:38):
Right in the noggin.

Gino (01:02:40):
was like, go to your room again.
And I was like, quit puttingpeople in

Spoons-1 (01:02:44):
there.
Everyone gets killed in my room.

Gino (01:02:46):
It's literally the least safe.
Let's split up and everyone goto their rooms.
I was like, literally don'tsplit up.
Literally everyone dies

Spoons-1 (01:02:54):
Yeah.
We need to

Gino (01:02:55):
everyone just

Spoons-1 (01:02:56):
all be together.

Gino (01:02:57):
room.
Let's have a little circle, alittle campfire, tell

Wheezy (01:03:00):
go to your room where it's very clearly safe.
The evidence shows there's anexcellent track record of you
totally staying alive in yourroom.

Spoons-1 (01:03:07):
Then

Gino (01:03:08):
then,

Spoons-1 (01:03:09):
oh sorry.
Well, she suspect then sheaccuses Dante of everything and
she like blows up at himbasically.
And it's like this whole thingand.
She is very upset.
Yeah.
And then they tie him up in hisroom

Wheezy (01:03:23):
the whole time.

Spoons-1 (01:03:24):
with his ties and Sha Yeah.
Shamus is loving it.

Gino (01:03:28):
can be

Spoons-1 (01:03:28):
Right.
I was like, okay, now we're justleaving Zante out to be
murdered, because I know at thispoint I'm like, well, he for
sure didn't do anything.
But then you find out it was allpart of her plan because she was
like, I know it's not Dante, butshe had started to suspect that
Seamus was involved and turnsout he was,'cause she interrupts

(01:03:50):
him trying to kill the general.
And then he's like, okay, yeah,you got me also, I'm dying also,
I'm in love with you and I'mgonna jump off this train right
now.
And she's like, what?
And he's like, well,

Wheezy (01:04:04):
He is like, here, take my

Spoons-1 (01:04:05):
yeah.

Gino (01:04:06):
it is like, yeah, I did And then he jumps and then she's
like, oh, he's like, basicallyshe said she'll never forgive
him for this and she's gonnaturn him in.
Which I was like, don't.
like, don't turn him in.
Like you could

Wheezy (01:04:20):
Maybe just don't.

Gino (01:04:21):
listen, you shouldn't have done that, but I'm not gonna
turn you in and let's just Now.
But she was

Wheezy (01:04:27):
Yeah.

Gino (01:04:28):
I'm definitely gonna turn you in.
So he jumped she was like, wait,he only said he killed No, I
know

Spoons-1 (01:04:34):
another killer.

Gino (01:04:35):
Revelation

Wheezy (01:04:36):
Ooh.

Spoons-1 (01:04:37):
And yeah, it turns out the other killer is Reggie.
So he, yep, he,

Gino (01:04:44):
and Sal wasn't dead.
She

Spoons-1 (01:04:45):
sal faked it.
Everyone's faking their deathson this train.
I was loving that.

Wheezy (01:04:50):
Honestly.
So

Spoons-1 (01:04:51):
so Reggie's dad.

Wheezy (01:04:53):
very possum like This is a possum book,

Spoons-1 (01:04:55):
it's a poss book,

Gino (01:04:56):
the possum train.

Spoons-1 (01:04:58):
tree.

Wheezy (01:04:59):
alternate title idea for

Spoons-1 (01:05:00):
Hey ri, let me lay something on you.

Wheezy (01:05:02):
naming it?
The possum train?

Gino (01:05:04):
There's a note in the, about the author, about a
alternate title that his friendsuggested, which was train
Enemies, like.

Spoons-1 (01:05:12):
I like train these.

Wheezy (01:05:13):
It's good.
It's no possum train, but

Spoons-1 (01:05:15):
so good.
Train enemies.
I'm gonna start calling it Trainenemies.
So it turns out

Wheezy (01:05:20):
Yeah.
Have you

Spoons-1 (01:05:20):
Reggie's dad was like worked on the train that
exploded 12 years ago.
And so now, and then his lifegot ruined too.
So when he found out that allthis was going on,'cause he is
in the FBI, he was like, hellyeah brother, I'm getting on
that train.

Wheezy (01:05:35):
I am gonna

Spoons-1 (01:05:36):
Y Yes.
But then he got on the train andfound out that Anna didn't mean
to kill everyone.
And he's like, Ooh, well Idefinitely want to kill
everyone.
So he and Seamus were both like,I just really want everyone to
die, basically is kind of whereI'm at.
And Anna was like, absolutelynot.

Wheezy (01:05:51):
And it was like, God, me too.
But have some self-control, like

Gino (01:05:55):
like we aren't animals

Wheezy (01:05:57):
the men

Spoons-1 (01:05:57):
They're like, well I think I do wanna kill them
though.
So they basically both were theones killing everyone,

Gino (01:06:03):
women are emotional.

Spoons-1 (01:06:04):
right?
Yeah.
Women can't control themselves.

Wheezy (01:06:07):
Right.
And this book is written by aman, so everybody shut up about
it.
That's how women, no

Spoons-1 (01:06:13):
He gets it.
Our ally ri gets it.
Um, so then Anna and Reggie havelike this big standoff where
they like running around on thetrain and like.
It was so crazy.
I was like, is this missionimpossible?
Like, oh my god.

Wheezy (01:06:28):
and stuff.
Oh, it's awesome.

Spoons-1 (01:06:30):
Yeah.
It was so crazy.
Yeah, they fall through the likeobservation car and like get all
cut up.

Wheezy (01:06:37):
She's all like disheveled and her feet are all
like cut up on glass and I'mlike,

Spoons-1 (01:06:41):
It was nuts.

Wheezy (01:06:42):
insane.
And then they're running throughthe, all the cars and then they
get to where the conductor issupposedly, that she told, had
originally told, don't stop forany reasons.
Don't even open the door.
She's like, it's Bert who Ireally trust.
He's this super trustworthyconductor guy and he's not gonna
stop till we get to where theFBI are waiting.
then she pounds on the door tobe like, maybe he, maybe I was

(01:07:04):
wrong.
Like maybe he actually will openthe door even though I told him
not to.
door does in fact open, but it'snot Bert,

Spoons-1 (01:07:12):
Ah,

Wheezy (01:07:12):
it is

Spoons-1 (01:07:14):
Dante's Evil Dad.
Okay, that got me.

Gino (01:07:17):
Okay, this

Spoons-1 (01:07:18):
I loved it.

Gino (01:07:19):
for two seconds here.
I was like, wait, so is DanteAgain?
Because he was the one thatknocked on the door and was
like, don't come out for anyreason.
And I was like.
Like, did he know his father wasin there and that's why he

Spoons-1 (01:07:32):
Yeah, I totally had that thought too.

Wheezy (01:07:35):
I honestly, point, I figured the conductor is
somebody, and at this point theonly person left was Kenneth.
I did a pretty decent guys.
I'm

Spoons-1 (01:07:41):
I didn't even think about it at all.

Wheezy (01:07:44):
I also, and the last thriller I read, that was really
good.
I totally nailed the ending.
I'm

Spoons-1 (01:07:49):
Yeah.
Look at you.

Gino (01:07:50):
no,

Wheezy (01:07:50):
I was not surprised.

Spoons-1 (01:07:52):
no clue.
I was so blindsided and I lovedit.
I love it when I'm not smartenough for the book.
It's like.

Wheezy (01:07:59):
I was so right once, for the first time ever.

Gino (01:08:03):
But then Anna's like in how does she get him to kinda
confess again?
She has the gun at this point.
I don't remember.

Spoons-1 (01:08:11):
She does have a gun, but I don't remember.

Gino (01:08:16):
Reggie has the gun, so

Spoons-1 (01:08:17):
Oh, but she does

Gino (01:08:18):
but she essentially.

Spoons-1 (01:08:20):
she does try and shoot him.
She does have a gun somehow.
I think she got Reggie's gun.

Gino (01:08:25):
Anyways, he, Kenneth

Wheezy (01:08:28):
were two guns.

Gino (01:08:28):
serious.
And she's like, why did you doit?
Why did you do it?
I know why you did it actually.
She's like, no, I know why youdid it because you were in love
with my mother and she didn'tlove you back.
And he is like, that's not it.
Your father stole her from meand stole my child.
Your brother Tommy, who waskilled on the

Wheezy (01:08:45):
Wow.

Gino (01:08:46):
train.

Wheezy (01:08:47):
Turns out their mom was pregnant with Tommy when she got
with Anna.
And Tommy's Well, Anna's dad.

Gino (01:08:55):
but really early on when it's mentioned that like, or I
guess it's not really early on,but earlier on when Anna
mentions that her Dante mention,I don't know, someone finds out
that when she finds out Kennethwasn't with her mom before she
was With her dad, they do saylike they were, they knew each

(01:09:15):
other for two weeks and thenthey got married and I was like,
oh, she was Kid.
Like I

Spoons-1 (01:09:19):
Dang, I didn't even think about it.
I'm so dumb.

Gino (01:09:23):
Yeah.

Spoons-1 (01:09:23):
I can't,

Wheezy (01:09:24):
I was like, what?
No way,

Spoons-1 (01:09:26):
like put it all together.
I guess that was like crazy.

Wheezy (01:09:30):
together at

Spoons-1 (01:09:31):
And.
And they're always talking aboutlike,

Wheezy (01:09:33):
Well,'cause first you were like, oh, he did it for
greed to take over her father'slike railroad company.
And then it was like no.
He did it because he wasjealous, because he loved.
Anna's mom, and then they'relike no.
It's because of all of thethings, but primarily because
Tommy was actually his son, andso in revenge, he decided to

Spoons-1 (01:09:53):
yeah.

Wheezy (01:09:54):
train frame her dad as a Nazi

Spoons-1 (01:09:57):
And I loved it because like once, I mean obviously Gina
figured it out, but I'm dumb soI didn't figure it out.
But then I was like, oh yes.
And I love it when you can lookback and see all the little
pieces like Tommy and Kennethlike talking at the party and
she got all mad and then like,like she keeps seeing who she
thinks is her brother.
But then of course it's actuallyDante.

(01:10:17):
'cause they actually do resembleeach other weirdly.
'cause they're Hoff brothers,which is like weird.

Gino (01:10:22):
See, I didn't put

Spoons-1 (01:10:23):
No.

Wheezy (01:10:24):
Yeah.

Gino (01:10:25):
put like, that's what I was saying before when I was
like, oh I didn't put togetherin my brain that made Tommy and

Spoons-1 (01:10:31):
right?

Gino (01:10:32):
So not until the end, like I knew Tommy was Kenneth's kid,
but I just like otherrelationships didn't Together.
So then I was like, oh, that'swhy I should keep saying, but

Spoons-1 (01:10:42):
It was so good.

Wheezy (01:10:43):
being like, well, can she still be in love with Dante?
Yes.

Gino (01:10:46):
same thought.
I

Wheezy (01:10:48):
Like, wait, so

Spoons-1 (01:10:49):
I literally didn't even think that it was gonna be
a thing until the end.
I was like, oh,

Gino (01:10:54):
no

Spoons-1 (01:10:55):
yeah.
I mean, they share a brother,but they're not related.

Wheezy (01:10:59):
But no, no

Spoons-1 (01:11:00):
No.

Wheezy (01:11:01):
relation.

Gino (01:11:01):
It's a better, it's

Wheezy (01:11:02):
I like think through it a few times.

Spoons-1 (01:11:04):
God.
It's way better than cousinlovers.
Oh my God.

Wheezy (01:11:07):
Finally, we're getting away from cousin lovers to what
siblings

Spoons-1 (01:11:12):
Oh, no.

Gino (01:11:13):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:11:13):
don't know.
What is that?
I don't

Spoons-1 (01:11:15):
And there.

Gino (01:11:17):
step it is.

Spoons-1 (01:11:18):
Sort of

Gino (01:11:20):
it's step

Wheezy (01:11:20):
I think it is.
I think it is.
That's rough.

Gino (01:11:24):
worse

Spoons-1 (01:11:24):
I don't know about that.

Wheezy (01:11:26):
We've moved from cousin lovers to

Spoons-1 (01:11:28):
Oh, no.

Wheezy (01:11:28):
lovers.

Spoons-1 (01:11:29):
Right.

Wheezy (01:11:30):
Less genetic relation,

Spoons-1 (01:11:32):
Yeah, it's a little weird.
Uh, so then she, and but this,so Reggie is like, you know, you
wanna kill him, like, just killhim, Anna, like, he has to die.
Like he killed, he ruined ourlives or whatever.
And Loki, this probably makes mea bad person, but part of me was
like, yeah, like, this guysucks.

Wheezy (01:11:51):
Yeah.

Spoons-1 (01:11:51):
like, maybe you should just kill him.
And then she's like.

Wheezy (01:11:54):
It's the anna in I know what

Spoons-1 (01:11:56):
I know.
I was like, well, I mean, Iwouldn't, I'm just saying if she
decided to kill him and then sheand Reggie went off and had
adventures together, I wouldn'tbe mad.
You know?
That's kind of what I wasthinking.

Gino (01:12:05):
I

Wheezy (01:12:05):
You be like, we

Spoons-1 (01:12:07):
And they're wrongs.
Yes.
I was like, they can go bemorally ambiguous, you know?
Cool guys.
And seeing musicals together,that's fine with me.
I don't care.
Like I was gonna be happy forthem, but she doesn't do it.
And instead she shoots Reggie inthe leg and then makes Kenneth
like surrender when they land orwhen they arrive at the

Wheezy (01:12:29):
everyone's trying to mess up

Spoons-1 (01:12:30):
I know.

Wheezy (01:12:31):
She

Spoons-1 (01:12:32):
She's like, I've been very clear about what I want
from the beginning and all thesemen are coming in here and
telling me to kill everyone andI'm not gonna do it.
And I was like, for that, I dohave to respect you.
You know?
She knew what she wanted fromthe beginning.
Ugh.

Wheezy (01:12:43):
That's true.

Spoons-1 (01:12:44):
So it all works out at the end because they get to
Chicago and the FBI are thereand Reggie's like, listen, I did
kill those guys.
Okay, you guys got me.
I did kill them.
And they're like, okay.

Wheezy (01:12:58):
He really does.

Spoons-1 (01:12:59):
And then he's also like, you know, and I meant
what?
I said, you should join the FBIgirl.
You'd be a great agent.
And then literally his boss islike, so Reggie tells me you'd
be a great FBI agent.
You wanna join?
I was like, what?
I loved that.

Gino (01:13:13):
and she's

Wheezy (01:13:13):
I was like, first of

Spoons-1 (01:13:14):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:13:14):
is amazing.
Yeah.
But then I was like why are welistening to Reggie?

Spoons-1 (01:13:19):
And my brain, Reggie gets out for good behavior in
like five years.
And then Reggie and Anna becomelike FBI partners together.
I mean, they wouldn't hire himagain, but he can be a
contractor or something, youknow, something like that.

Wheezy (01:13:31):
I feel like Anna's just gonna hate him forever.
I don't feel like they have likeeven like a

Spoons-1 (01:13:36):
He got her a job at the FBI.

Wheezy (01:13:38):
a thorn in her side.
He can't follow herinstructions.
Yeah.
Kind of.
Because his boss had reallyweird judgment and was like,
yeah, I'll listen to this

Spoons-1 (01:13:48):
Well, okay.
They made a good team ashonestly like, I guess,
whatever.

Wheezy (01:13:53):
I think she and

Spoons-1 (01:13:54):
I know.
I was sad about Dante.

Wheezy (01:13:57):
a well will, they won't, they

Spoons-1 (01:13:59):
Well, at the end they were kind of,

Wheezy (01:14:00):
leaning heavily towards they

Spoons-1 (01:14:01):
they were like, we can't,

Gino (01:14:03):
we'll just be friends.

Spoons-1 (01:14:05):
And then he was like, well, I guess my life is gonna
be over now because my dad isbad.
And she's like, oh, sorry dude,been there, but you know, at
least she's gonna be there forhim.

Wheezy (01:14:14):
she's like, well,

Gino (01:14:15):
he Tell me stories about my brother?
And that felt weird.

Wheezy (01:14:18):
Yeah.

Gino (01:14:18):
he, he didn't know he

Wheezy (01:14:20):
It was weird.

Gino (01:14:20):
whole life and he is like a grown man now.
And he's been dead for quitesome time.
And it just felt like, I don'tfeel like I would feel much
connection to this

Spoons-1 (01:14:30):
I would still wanna know though.
I'm like, if you were like my, Idon't know, relation I guess,
but I don't know.

Wheezy (01:14:37):
So they're basically like, so we're gonna be

Spoons-1 (01:14:38):
Yeah,

Wheezy (01:14:39):
pals now.

Gino (01:14:40):
and

Wheezy (01:14:40):
She's like, if it's hard for you to be the child of a
super hated man, you know, Iknow what that's like.
You can send me a letter

Spoons-1 (01:14:46):
drop me a line.

Wheezy (01:14:47):
And he is like, cool.
And talk about our brother.
And

Spoons-1 (01:14:50):
I guess, yeah, don't remind me like

Wheezy (01:14:52):
you can talk about he

Spoons-1 (01:14:53):
it's a little weird, But I'm not happy for Anna.
She is, you know, she got hervengeance sort of, and now she's
has a cool, like she hasprospects.
She can live her life.
She doesn't have to be boggeddown by this anymore.
Good for her.
She found her calling.

Wheezy (01:15:11):
Yeah.
She had a mission.
She was focused, she was notgonna be deterred.

Spoons-1 (01:15:16):
That's true.

Wheezy (01:15:17):
There were a couple bumps in the road, but
everything else went pretty muchto plan in the end.
Like aside from a couple murdersin there that she

Spoons-1 (01:15:24):
Yeah, just a few.

Gino (01:15:26):
She got half of her people there.
Three out of the

Wheezy (01:15:30):
Yeah.

Spoons-1 (01:15:31):
that's pretty good.

Wheezy (01:15:32):
Yeah.
like when I'm raising babychicks and I'm like, eh, most of
them made it.
It feels like a win.

Spoons-1 (01:15:38):
50 50.
Not bad.

Wheezy (01:15:40):
Not bad.
Not bad.
It could be way worse.

Gino (01:15:42):
up with 10 of the 20 birds that I got last time living.

Wheezy (01:15:46):
Sounds about right.
You're like

Gino (01:15:47):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:15:47):
50 50 is not bad.
It's been

Spoons-1 (01:15:49):
She's like a couple raccoons.
Got in the train, but you know,other than that, we did pretty
okay.
And I kind,

Wheezy (01:15:54):
Yeah.
Other than that, good actually,I think went pretty well to fail
The plan

Spoons-1 (01:16:00):
yeah.

Wheezy (01:16:01):
to fail.

Spoons-1 (01:16:02):
So that's with a vengeance.
Good for her.
Good for everyone.
Except for everyone who died.
Oh.

Wheezy (01:16:08):
Snaps all around.
That was interesting'cause it'sthe only RI Sager period piece
as far as I'm aware.
I don't

Spoons-1 (01:16:13):
And it ha it was a multiple POV thing, which I feel
like most of them that I haveread have not been, it's been
like one,

Wheezy (01:16:23):
That's a good, yeah.
I don't think, yeah, I thinkyou're right.
I don't

Spoons-1 (01:16:26):
I,

Wheezy (01:16:26):
usually multiple POV.

Spoons-1 (01:16:28):
I liked it,

Wheezy (01:16:29):
Did we have favorite and least favorite parts?

Spoons-1 (01:16:31):
I don't know.

Gino (01:16:32):
favorite part was when she was stitching up Reggie and he
was like, do you wanna go to a

Spoons-1 (01:16:38):
God, I feel you.

Gino (01:16:39):
And,

Wheezy (01:16:40):
That's

Spoons-1 (01:16:40):
I loved that.
I.

Gino (01:16:41):
and then my least favorite part the description of her
trying to climb out of the trainto chase after Reggie.
Just because like, I don't know,it was like two or three pages
of.
It did not fit in the rest ofthe book for me aesthetically.

Wheezy (01:16:55):
I feel like he's trying to convince you.
No, she could have totally donethis

Gino (01:16:58):
exactly.
She, he was

Wheezy (01:17:01):
Yeah.

Gino (01:17:01):
grabbed this and then kind of put her hand here and there
was like a little piece of metalhere that stuck out and curved
it.
And I was like, what's going on

Spoons-1 (01:17:09):
Like, okay.

Gino (01:17:10):
Like, I was like, he, I was like, he ran to the other
side of the train, already gotdown, is having lunch, like by
the time this description wasover.

Wheezy (01:17:19):
Oh, that's so funny.

Spoons-1 (01:17:21):
I think my favorite parts, I don't know if I have
one favorite part, but it's likeevery time there's a big reveal,
I would get so excited.
Like the instant that it's likeReggie was crossing people off
of his list and you're like,he's not just somebody who
showed up on the train.
He's a real, he has aninvestment in this.
And then the instant you findout Jed was not dead, I was
like, oh my God.

(01:17:41):
Like I got so excited.
I think.

Wheezy (01:17:43):
That was

Spoons-1 (01:17:44):
the minute you find out that Kenneth was the one
that was the be biggest one forme, I was so happy with that.
I was like, oh my God, he's beenhere the whole time.
I love it when it's like youfind out something has not been
the way you thought it was thewhole time.
That's my favorite, my leastfavorite part.
I don't know.
I dunno, nothing stuck out to meas being like, Something I
really didn't like.

(01:18:05):
One more thing I did like isthat I feel like, oh, sorry.
I really thought that

Wheezy (01:18:10):
no.
Go

Spoons-1 (01:18:10):
the vibe, I loved the like the vibe, the setting, the
mood.
It felt very much like I wantedto watch this.
As like an old Hollywood movieis what I felt like.
I was like, why is AudreyHepburn not in this?
Because I was like, imaginingeveryone in their fifties
outfits running around thissleek, nice train, and I was
like, I want this to be a movie,but I want it to have been made

(01:18:32):
in 1954 is what I wanted.
And so, ugh, I loved it.

Wheezy (01:18:38):
the vibe is

Spoons-1 (01:18:39):
I felt like they nailed that, or he nailed that.
So anyway, that was my favoritepart.

Wheezy (01:18:44):
I totally agree.
I think my favorite part was, Ireally liked that scene where
she and Dante are standing inthe kitchen and he's basically
talking about how he's

Spoons-1 (01:18:51):
Oh, I,

Wheezy (01:18:52):
he's gonna make some food.
And she's like, what if it'spoisoned?
Or he's like, what if it's po?
I forget.
They have like a kind, like afunny, like repart and you learn
a little bit about their

Spoons-1 (01:18:59):
that was good.
I loved that.

Wheezy (01:19:00):
I just really

Spoons-1 (01:19:01):
He's like, help me look for the mustard.
Will you?

Wheezy (01:19:03):
like, oh, maybe now I am a little bit invested.
Yeah, exactly.
It's so funny.
I'm like, well, you just reallydon't, you don't seem to be
taking this as seriously aseveryone else.
And he's like, well, I am, butI'm very hungry.
And I was like, that makessense.
To be honest, I kind of get it.
So that was probably like myfavorite scene.
Least favorite.
I'm kind of sad that Seamusended up being a murderer, like

(01:19:26):
I guess it worked for the book,but I'm kind of sad that he gave
into his like more like base.
You know, I feel like his lifewas very tragic.
Like he, he lost his brother.
He knew, he basically, eventhough he was in love with Anna
very clearly, always seemed toknow that he didn't really have
a shot with her and had kind ofresigned himself to that.
And then his like, like thehighlight of his life after
losing his brother seemed to bethat to one time that he

(01:19:48):
murdered someone.
And he was like, yeah, it wasawesome.

Spoons-1 (01:19:50):
Yeah, that's bad.

Wheezy (01:19:52):
and I was like, this kind of sucks buddy.
Like so much potential.
So that kinda made me sad.

Gino (01:19:58):
I think he had like a LS or something too, like,

Spoons-1 (01:20:01):
I,

Wheezy (01:20:01):
Yeah.
Gino, did you say your leastfavorite

Spoons-1 (01:20:04):
The.

Gino (01:20:04):
the description of climbing out of the train.

Wheezy (01:20:07):
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
That's right.
What about favorite, leastfavorite characters?

Gino (01:20:11):
My favorite character, think is Dante.

Spoons-1 (01:20:15):
Love Dante.
He was great.

Wheezy (01:20:17):
Dante.
It was pretty good.

Spoons-1 (01:20:19):
Yeah, he was so cute.

Gino (01:20:21):
Least favorite I'm gonna think about while y'all say your
favorites.

Spoons-1 (01:20:24):
My favorite was Reggie, but

Wheezy (01:20:28):
you

Spoons-1 (01:20:28):
loved him, but I love Dante too.

Wheezy (01:20:31):
You're like in the Reggie

Spoons-1 (01:20:32):
I am a little bit, and something is wrong with me
lately.
I keep liking all thesemurderers.
I'm like, what's going on?
Like the villains, and I'm notsomebody who usually likes the
villain, but I keep liking thevillain lately.

Wheezy (01:20:44):
I know.
It's so much

Spoons-1 (01:20:46):
It kind of is fun over here.
I'm like, oh my God, what am Imissing?
Yeah, my least favorite.
I didn't really like, oh, Iactually did like Kenneth as a
character too.
I thought he was a fun villain.
I was like, okay, you've gotstuff going on here I didn't
like.
Whereas like, Edith and LapsOxford were like, not as fun to

(01:21:06):
me.
'cause I'm like, okay, you'rejust a jerk and you're just a
Nazi.
Like, I'm sorry, I can't bevibing with you.

Wheezy (01:21:12):
Yeah, that's true.

Spoons-1 (01:21:13):
it's like, okay, at least these guys kill people,
but at least they're fun.
You know?
You guys aren't really that fun.
So, that's kind of where I wasat with that.
And I liked Anna a lot.
I was like proud of her.

Wheezy (01:21:22):
she's great.
She

Spoons-1 (01:21:24):
She really was.

Wheezy (01:21:25):
She is

Spoons-1 (01:21:26):
I have every faith in her.

Wheezy (01:21:27):
Lie.
She's got like emotions.
Do not come into the equationwith her at all.
Oh, But she's so, so competent.
It's amazing.
I think Anna is my most favoritecharacter.
She's just so impressive.
Lee's favorite character isHerb, and yes, I know that there
was an actual Nazi on thattrain, but let's be real.
Herb is just gross.
Like he's just gross and greedyand he has no, there's nothing

(01:21:48):
even remotely redeeming likeEdith at least was like, I did
genuinely love these

Spoons-1 (01:21:53):
Yeah,

Wheezy (01:21:54):
children.
And I'm like, well, you madeevery other horrible decision
and it makes it even more sad,but at least you're interesting.
Herba was just like, do better.
You had every opportunity tochoose to do better and you
didn't.
You

Spoons-1 (01:22:04):
that's true.

Wheezy (01:22:05):
So least favorite.

Gino (01:22:07):
See, I was thinking about it and I was, herb was one I was
thinking but I don't have enoughstrong emotions to, I

Spoons-1 (01:22:13):
Yeah.

Gino (01:22:13):
Like he is not my least favorite because I'm like,
you're just gross and notimportant.
and then I do think I was kindof leaning towards Edith and I
think she's my least favorite.
Which also, I mean, there's no,I don't need to explain it.
'cause like we said, she's aNazi.
But as I said earlier, there'sbeen a lot of world War II stuff
going on in my life right now.
I watched saving Private

Spoons-1 (01:22:34):
Oh God.

Gino (01:22:35):
time, which I know way like late, way late.

Wheezy (01:22:38):
Wow.

Gino (01:22:38):
around to it.
And so it's just like, I mean, Inever like Nazis, but I'm really
not on the

Spoons-1 (01:22:44):
You are like, now I'm really sensitive to Nazi

Wheezy (01:22:46):
You are like, I've never been so far.

Spoons-1 (01:22:49):
like Edith.
You did not come to me at theright time for me to feel
sympathetic about your Applestrudel.
Okay.
Like we got, I'm not having it.
Okay.
I saw what happened to privateRyan.

Wheezy (01:23:00):
that is so funny.

Gino (01:23:02):
yeah.
We need to be careful with thesound bites from this one.

Wheezy (01:23:05):
Oh dude.
Right?
Like, listen, I know Edith was aNazi, but

Spoons-1 (01:23:09):
To be clear, we do not like Nazis.
Okay, let's take that for yoursoundbite.
But yeah, take that for yoursoundbite.

Wheezy (01:23:16):
bite.
Our

Spoons-1 (01:23:18):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:23:18):
to this.

Spoons-1 (01:23:20):
Uh, what else do we have?

Wheezy (01:23:22):
like, wow, what a thing to say.
My mom the other day was spoonswas like.
You know, Ash, you've reallycome out of your shell lately.
And I was like, really?
And she is like, yeah, I feellike maybe you just didn't use
to say so many things now.
You say a lot of things.
I was like, thank you.
She was like, oh, I saw thisshirt that reminded me

Spoons-1 (01:23:40):
yeah.

Wheezy (01:23:41):
And the shirt is a picture of a possum that looks
like it's screaming and it says,I'm a delight.

Gino (01:23:46):
Oh my gosh.

Wheezy (01:23:48):
It's like, thank

Spoons-1 (01:23:48):
Possum train.

Wheezy (01:23:49):
Possum shame.
It's all in theme.
I did not get off topic at all

Spoons-1 (01:23:53):
It was backs of possums.

Wheezy (01:23:55):
Have anyone have a favorite quote from

Spoons-1 (01:23:57):
I did not do a quote.
Sorry.
Everyone

Wheezy (01:24:00):
Neither have I, I haven't done it in like,

Spoons-1 (01:24:03):
we quote is a special thing.

Gino (01:24:05):
pull favorite quotes when they, like I was gonna say when
they

Spoons-1 (01:24:08):
Yeah.

Gino (01:24:08):
me and nothing like I like, haha, or, oh, that makes
sense.
I dunno.

Spoons-1 (01:24:12):
what about lessons learned?
Yeah, lessons learned.

Wheezy (01:24:15):
Yeah.
I feel like I've learned how topull off the

Spoons-1 (01:24:17):
I,

Wheezy (01:24:18):
revenge.

Gino (01:24:19):
Fake your

Spoons-1 (01:24:19):
yeah.
Faking You're deaf.
Yeah.
Stay focused.
I learned how to climb out of amoving train to run after
someone on the roof.

Gino (01:24:28):
I am

Spoons-1 (01:24:28):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:24:29):
learned in great detail.
If you can't do it, you weren'tpaying attention,

Gino (01:24:33):
pinky on the,

Wheezy (01:24:35):
obviously.

Spoons-1 (01:24:36):
Um, I learned.

Gino (01:24:39):
don't let boys distract you when

Spoons-1 (01:24:41):
Ugh.

Gino (01:24:41):
goal, even if there's

Spoons-1 (01:24:42):
That is so true.
Even if there are three cuteboys who want to date you on
your train, do not bedistracted.

Gino (01:24:50):
to not

Spoons-1 (01:24:51):
Nope.

Gino (01:24:51):
path.

Wheezy (01:24:52):
Yeah.
Maybe just'cause somebodyappears dead.
Don't assume they're dead.

Spoons-1 (01:24:57):
Maybe we should all learn how to properly check for
a pulse.
Yeah,

Wheezy (01:25:01):
fourth check.

Gino (01:25:02):
yeah.
Learn

Wheezy (01:25:03):
Yeah.

Gino (01:25:03):
a

Spoons-1 (01:25:04):
that was so,

Gino (01:25:05):
love, I

Wheezy (01:25:05):
Learn how to ch.

Gino (01:25:06):
oh, I thought that when Seamus checks lap the general's
pulse the second time when he ishaving the heart attack and he
is like, oh, it's like pacing.
That's crazy.
I was like, okay, we alreadyestablished you don't know how
to check a pulse,

Wheezy (01:25:18):
No.
No.
Why are

Spoons-1 (01:25:19):
yes.

Gino (01:25:20):
again?
Like.

Wheezy (01:25:21):
That's true.
But I mean, in that did alsolearn how to more authentically
pull

Spoons-1 (01:25:26):
we did?
Yes.

Wheezy (01:25:28):
It's to run in place a bunch first.

Gino (01:25:30):
part of it was cardio and the other part was he was like,
they were like, Anna alsobadgered him with a lot of
questions to raise his heartrate.

Wheezy (01:25:38):
Yeah.
Yep.

Spoons-1 (01:25:39):
really quick.
Sorry, I just remembered this.
Whenever it was revealed thatSeamus had like muscle
relaxants, I kind of thoughtmaybe he and I think that maybe
my timeline was off, but I wasstill trying to piece things
together.
But I was like, did he work withJudd to like make it seem like
he was dead?
I don't know.
I was like trying to figure thatout.

Wheezy (01:25:57):
Oh.

Gino (01:25:58):
Oh no.
I

Spoons-1 (01:25:58):
okay.
Okay.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one,

Wheezy (01:26:02):
Interesting.
See, once again,

Spoons-1 (01:26:03):
but that was not what happened, but I thought maybe I
was like, maybe they're in on ittogether anyway.

Gino (01:26:08):
Yeah.
I had a little thought that

Spoons-1 (01:26:11):
So yeah, we learned a lot.

Gino (01:26:14):
how many pinkies.

Wheezy (01:26:15):
I learned so many.
Yeah.
Pinky's up.
How many Pinky's

Spoons-1 (01:26:18):
I'm giving it.
3.75.
Pinky up.

Gino (01:26:22):
Okay.

Wheezy (01:26:22):
Do you

Spoons-1 (01:26:23):
Oh.
Well it, I thought it was reallygood and I enjoyed it.
It wasn't my favorite LeighSager book.
But I still think 0.75 is a goodrating.
It's like, for me it is.
You know,

Wheezy (01:26:36):
agree.

Spoons-1 (01:26:37):
I would maybe read it again.
I enjoyed it.
I would recommend it to people,but it wasn't my favorite.

Wheezy (01:26:42):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Gino (01:26:44):
I give it 3.5 pinkies up.

Wheezy (01:26:48):
Would you like to justify your rating?
Because I know you struggle withratings.

Spoons-1 (01:26:52):
No,

Gino (01:26:52):
no.

Spoons-1 (01:26:53):
it is what it is.
It stands

Gino (01:26:55):
I felt it

Wheezy (01:26:56):
I give it four.
I give it a

Spoons-1 (01:26:58):
nice.

Wheezy (01:26:59):
app.
read it again.
I was not like of my favorite.
It's not like, doesn't rankamong my favorites of the ri
sagers, but I do like a lotabout it and I will absolutely
read it again.

Spoons-1 (01:27:08):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:27:09):
four,

Spoons-1 (01:27:10):
Nice.
Solid

Wheezy (01:27:12):
I did my pinkies up.
If you guys were, if you'rewatching on YouTube, if you're
not there, pinkies everywhere.

Spoons-1 (01:27:18):
pictures.
So many pinkies.

Gino (01:27:19):
right.

Wheezy (01:27:20):
Good Lord.
What else do

Spoons-1 (01:27:21):
I think,

Wheezy (01:27:22):
Like, like the amount of pinkies you're picturing, like
triple that.
Like

Spoons-1 (01:27:27):
I love how you just said,

Wheezy (01:27:28):
like

Spoons-1 (01:27:28):
what else do we do?
Uh, now what?
I think we end the podcast now.

Wheezy (01:27:33):
I dunno.
Yeah.
Join the Readathon please.
If you read books you might aswell just join the Readathon.
Why not read for a cause readfor my bookshop and also you,
'cause you can help my teamcontinue to destroy the other
teams.
It's cats without tails.
Once again, that's cats withouttails.
You should join me.

(01:27:53):
You can also donate to thebookshop if you would like.
At i fund women.com/i don't knowthe story, poem and

Spoons-1 (01:28:00):
Go to our

Wheezy (01:28:01):
there's

Spoons-1 (01:28:01):
Instagram.
Yeah,

Wheezy (01:28:02):
guys

Gino (01:28:03):
I was

Wheezy (01:28:04):
yeah, go to her Instagram.

Gino (01:28:05):
Readathon site I was like, what do you want the URL to be?
She said maybe SE and Breadathon.
I typed it out and then I sentit to her.
I said, you might wanna look atthis again.
So if you type in se the andsign and then B readathon, it

(01:28:25):
looks like SE and Breada.

Wheezy (01:28:27):
Yeah, I was like,

Gino (01:28:29):
delicious.

Spoons-1 (01:28:30):
Reath.

Wheezy (01:28:32):
work.

Spoons-1 (01:28:33):
for the Beretta.

Wheezy (01:28:34):
If you guys wanna eat a crazy amount of bread while
you're reading, I will notjudge.

Gino (01:28:38):
Yep.
That's what For.
I'm

Wheezy (01:28:40):
percent.

Gino (01:28:40):
Breada.

Wheezy (01:28:41):
Yeah.
I signed up for the breada.

Spoons-1 (01:28:43):
Oh, so sorry.
I didn't, okay, I'm gonna go.
I thought there'd be bread.
So

Wheezy (01:28:49):
I came prepared.
I've got like a bunch ofbaguettes.

Spoons-1 (01:28:51):
spilling out of your.

Wheezy (01:28:53):
not in the room.
Amazing.
Oh God.
You guys can also leave us areview if you would like.
Don't forget to share thepodcast with your friends and
follow us on social media.
We are that Pretentious Bookclub.
You can also follow Story SirenStudio on Instagram.
We do actually finally have anInstagram account for our
production company, so that'scool.
You can also go to either ofthose for updates about the

(01:29:13):
writing retreat that's happeningin October.
So if you are even a little bit,go check it out.
It's happening October 16ththrough 19th in Pennsylvania.
It's gonna be beautiful, it'sgonna be fall, it's gonna be
such a super fun time.
It's an all ladies retreat andwe're gonna do a bunch more next
year.
So keep on the lookout and thinkthat's everything.
So until the next episode, your

Spoons-1 (01:29:36):
Your Pinky's High and your book club.
Yay.

Wheezy (01:29:44):
Amazing.

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