3.06: Monsters

In this episode of That Weewoo Show, Bex, Alice, and Ellen discuss season 3, episode six of 9-1-1, titled "Monsters". Athena and the 118 respond to bizarre emergency calls on Halloween; Maddie remains convinced that she is doing the right thing in taking a 911 call into her own hands.

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Episode Transcript

Bex (00:16):
Welcome back to That Wee Woo Show, a podcast where we watch and discuss
episodes of the ABC show, 9-1-1.
I'm Bex.

Alice (00:23):
I'm Alice.

Ellen (00:24):
And I'm Ellen.

Bex (00:25):
As always, thank you to everyone who has listened to our previous episodes and
to everyone who has interacted with us,whether that's liking the episodes on your
preferred podcast platform, uh, commentingwherever you're listening to us, sharing
our social media posts, or sending usDMs because you noticed that one of our
episodes wasn't up on our YouTube channel.

(00:47):
Um, thank you to raynor___77on Twitter for that heads up.
Uh, we do apologize forthe, For the omission there,
but Ellen was on the case, and

Ellen (00:58):
I think it should be there now.
I'm still learning how to use YouTube.

Bex (01:02):
So if YouTube is your preferred method of listening
to us, it should be there now.
And while we're talking about preferredmethods of listening, I was wondering,
and I would love it if you could leaveus a comment wherever it is you're
listening, um, and tell us what it isyou're doing when you're listening to us.

(01:23):
Do you listen to us on your commute?
Do we come with you on yourlittle mental health walks?
Do you put us on in the backgroundwhile you're cleaning the house?
Um, For example, I listen to podcastsat work, um, and in fact, I had another,
um, 9-1-1 rewatch podcast keepingme company over the Christmas period

(01:44):
when I was the only one in the office.
Um, so I was listening to, um, Han,Sil, and Rach from The Buddie System,
which is a really interesting9-1-1 podcast, if you want.
They do, they are a rewatch podcast,so they are doing episode by episode.

(02:06):
They're currently midway throughseason two, but they also discuss
the latest seasons and they have funlittle episodes like which Taylor
Swift album is each character.

Ellen (02:17):
Oh my God.
That sounds like fun.

Bex (02:18):
So if you're looking, it was.
It was very interestingand very thought provoking.
Um, so if you're looking for another9-1-1 podcast, uh, or something
slightly different from what we'vegot going here, uh, check them
out over at The Buddy System.
Where do you listen toyour podcasts, Ellen?

Ellen (02:36):
Um, well, I, because I work at home, I don't tend to drive many places.
So I normally, cause in the pastI have listened to them in the
car, but nowadays I just have themon in the background while I'm
working or playing games sometimes.
How about you, Alice?

Alice (02:54):
Yeah, I used to listen to them in the office.
Um, and since I've gone back intoretail, I am driving a lot more.
So it's always in the car.
And the worst part about that isthat like, I'll be listening to
a podcast and they'll be like,Oh, like, let us know if this.
And then by the end of my work day,I've completely forgotten what it was.
So I'm just like, Oh my God, I haveso much to comment on these podcasts.

(03:14):
And then I never do.
And I feel awful.

Bex (03:17):
So I will be fascinated to know where people are listening to us.
What are they doing whileour voices are in their ears?

Ellen (03:25):
Oh my gosh.
What a strange thought.

Bex (03:30):
So whatever it is you are doing, you are going to listen to us this
week to discuss episode six of seasontwo, which is called "Monsters".
But before we do that, Alice,could you remind us what
happened in last week's episode?

Alice (03:43):
Yeah.
So last week on 9-1-1, Buck threwthe members of the 118 under the
fire engine by spilling theirpersonal troubles to his lawyer.
Hen and Karen had a setback in theirplans to expand their family, Eddie
joined an illegal street right streetfighting ring, and Michael and the
kids had a traumatic traffic stop.

(04:04):
Lots happened last week.

Ellen (04:05):
Yeah, it was a big one.
Uh, so this episode, as Bex said,it's episode 6 of season 3, which
is has the title "Monsters".
Uh, it first aired on October28th in 2019, so this was just
before Halloween, which meansthat this is a Halloween episode.

(04:25):
Yay!

Bex (04:26):
This is my favorite of the Halloween episodes.

Alice (04:28):
Me too.

Ellen (04:29):
This episode is great.
I really enjoyed this one.
So the summary says, Athena and the118 respond to bizarre emergency
calls on Halloween, including a flockof crows terrorizing a field trip.
Um, okay.
So this is the bit that wesuspect was cut out, right?
An office employee having a closeencounter with an eight limbed creature.

(04:51):
Not in this episode.

Alice (04:53):
No, it was definitely cut out.

Bex (04:54):
I remember reading this summary for last week's episode and
going, wait, was that this episode?
And I figured it was just my brainconflating episodes and seasons because
I remembered watching that scene.
Um, but yet again, this is anotherinstance of they've released the promo
in advance of the episode actuallybeing finished and they've cut a scene.

(05:16):
But I think that there is an episodein, I believe it's season four,
where they've kind of collectedall of these lost storylines and
dumped them all in one episode.
Okay.
Because I do remember seeing this one.

Ellen (05:31):
All right.
Well, the rest of the summaryjust says that a ghost like girl
is wandering a neighborhood.
Meanwhile, Maddie remains convincedthat she is doing the right thing in
taking a 9-1-1 call into her own hands.

Bex (05:45):
Spoiler alert, she was not.

Ellen (05:48):
Yeah.
Um, triggers for this episode includea car accident involving a car and a
pedestrian, we have child abuse andneglect, gore relating to the previously
mentioned car accident, and stalking.
One guess as to who thatinvolving, um, yeah.

(06:09):
So, Halloween, what, just remind mewhat the other Halloween episodes
we've had so far have been.

Bex (06:15):
Well, season one they had full moon,

Ellen (06:18):
they had the full moon one, which, which wasn't Halloween.

Bex (06:21):
Yeah, it wasn't quite Halloween, but it was close enough
to Halloween that it kind of counts.
And then season two, I can't evenremember that Halloween episode.
That's how much of an impact it had on me.

Ellen (06:36):
They definitely had one.
Yeah.
I'm not prepared for this question at all.

Alice (06:40):
I'm trying to remember now.

Bex (06:43):
Oh, it was "Haunted".

Ellen (06:44):
Oh, "Haunted".
Okay.

Bex (06:46):
So it was

Ellen (06:47):
Spooky stuff at the Hay Ride.

Bex (06:49):
It was the haunted hay ride.
It was Maddie's crossing overwith the Ghost Whisperer for
the ghost calling 9-1-1, and itwas Buck being haunted by Abby.

Ellen (06:59):
Oh, that's right.
Gosh, that was a long time ago.

Bex (07:01):
It was, wasn't it?
So I think it's interesting for notlast week, but the previous week for
"Triggers", um, we mentioned that therewere three writers and we wondered,
like, whether the number of storylinesthat they tried to pack into "Triggers",
whether each of those writers had aparticular storyline that was their

(07:24):
baby and they all got credited forwhen they meshed them all in together.
Um, so this episode, "Monsters"was written by Christopher
Monfette who was one of thewriters got credited in "Triggers".
So I think that kind of gives credenceto our theory because I feel like
the Maddie storyline was his baby.
So he got credited for "Triggers" forstarting the Maddie storyline and now

(07:47):
he's back to sort of move it forward.

Ellen (07:50):
Yeah.
So he wrote, he's the only writer?

Bex (07:54):
He is the only writer for this episode.
Okay.
But we're not going to start with Maddie.
We're going to start withthe Harvest Festival.

Ellen (08:00):
We've got some school kids who are going to visit the Harvest Festival.
And this yellow school bus, as allapparently American TV shows who
take kids somewhere, they alwayshave to have this yellow school bus.
I know that there are, like, theseare, school buses are a real thing,
but it just seems like, to us watchingfrom over here, that seems like a, I

(08:21):
don't know, it's just always there.

Bex (08:24):
Yeah, because our school districts don't have their own buses.
We have to rent charter buses forwhen the kids go on excursions.
Or at least we do down here,I don't know what yours is.

Ellen (08:35):
Some schools do, some schools do have it, but um, especially
rural, I think, they tend to havemore of, of a dedicated bus that
goes around and picks up the kids,but um, in the city not so much.

Alice (08:50):
Yeah.
I mean, we're rural and we,um, we just had like generic
buses from like the bus service.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like we use them in the morning andthen I guess they go do bus things.
The rest of the day,
, Ellen: they go back to their little bus home.

Bex (09:04):
Yeah, take a nap and then do their bus shores and then
come back and pick you up.
. Alice: Go to the grocery shops, fight over their son
. Bex: But it looks like LA school district must have its own fleet
of buses that they use for pickupsand drop offs and excursions.

Ellen (09:23):
Uh, unfortunately some of the kids that are going on this
excursion are absolute little shits.

Bex (09:31):
Yes.

Ellen (09:33):
The teacher says that, um, she tells the, them to enjoy the festival,
but play nicely and do not wander off andbe back at noon and not one second more.
And one of the two little kids who aregoing to be the main kind of culprits
in this scene like, give her some sass.

(09:53):
And, um,

Bex (09:54):
they're so cheeky.
Um, we do have names, so it'sRiley and Dean are our two, uh,

Alice (10:01):
I was going to say, I know that they were named, but I really
appreciate that your notes justhave them Smartass 1 and Smartass 2.

Bex (10:08):
Well, they didn't get named until later in the, um, in the storyline.
So they were just like Smartass1 and 2 until I actually got
confirmation of their names.
Um, yeah, they are complete smartasses.
The teacher seems to have nocontrol over them whatsoever.
. And so despite her exhortation for them tobehave, they definitely do anything but.

Ellen (10:34):
They just run around laughing and like knock pumpkins off things and

Bex (10:38):
One of them steals the head off a scarecrow and uses it to
terrorize the girls in his class.

Ellen (10:44):
Yeah, what a great guy.
And then they eventually, they gothrough, there's a big corn maze
there, which is, um Always reallycool to see, I love those things.
Um, and they, they run through themaze and then they see a crow sitting
on top of a scarecrow inside the maze.
And one of the kids sees some rocks onthe ground, so they like pick up a bunch

(11:08):
of rocks and hand it to the other one.
And, They don't actually show themthrowing rocks at the bird, which is
good because, you know, I don't think thebirds need to have rocks thrown at them.

Bex (11:18):
I don't think they need the depiction of animal cruelty on the screen, I guess.
The implication is very much that theystarted pelting rocks at the bird,
which means that everything that comesnext, they so, so very much deserved.

Ellen (11:31):
Yep.
So all the kids are getting back in thebus, and the teacher is counting them
as they go, but there's two missing.

Bex (11:40):
Funny that.

Ellen (11:40):
And she's like, of course there is.

Bex (11:43):
And she knows immediately which two it is too.

Ellen (11:46):
Yeah.
And then she sort of looks aroundto sort of work out where they might
have gone, and then sees all thesebirds like flying over the, the maze.
And turns out the crows didn'tlike having rocks thrown at them.

Bex (12:02):
Yeah, the, uh, the poor crow that got attacked has called in its buddies,
And the, uh, Riley and Dean are beingswooped and attacked en masse as they
are frantically running through themaze to try and get away from the birds.
So the teacher, Mrs. Beckerson, calls9-1-1, uh, which prompts for the dispatch

(12:25):
of the 118 to the Harvest Festival.

Ellen (12:28):
Yeah, at first when they were on their way, and after the 9-1-1
call, I was like, why would you call9-1-1 for, like, birds attacking.
Like, that just seems like, like, Idon't know who they could have called
otherwise, but the firefighters,

Bex (12:40):
Animal control?

Ellen (12:41):
I don't know, but then later it turns out that one of the kids is actually
quite badly injured, so that's okay.
Like, they do need paramedicsthere, but um, yeah.

Bex (12:51):
There are many, many calls in many, many episodes where I
just look at the screen and go,why did you call 9-1-1 for that?
I mean, I know it's for the dramabecause there would be no storyline if
they didn't call 9-1-1 for this shit,but yeah, but it's so funny because
they, the 1A team roll up and allof the school kids and the teachers

(13:14):
are sheltering in place in the bus.
Like they're not the ones beingattacked, yet they are hiding to
the point where the teacher won'teven open the door to talk to Bobby.
She's like, cracks it open a little bitas if she's afraid that if she opens the
doors up too much, the birds are goingto swoop inside, even though all of the
birds are now gathered by a barn on theother side of the, the like, farm area.

Ellen (13:39):
Randomly, I did appreciate, they all turn up and they're all
wearing sunglasses and we, wehardly ever see them do that.
It's like, oh, except Hen, who's gotlike these big kind of brown rimmed
glasses and they look really cool, butshe's not wearing sunnies like the rest.

Bex (13:53):
Chim's rocked the aviators a couple of times, looking
very cool when he does so.

Ellen (13:58):
Yes, yes.

Bex (13:59):
Yeah, but it's not often that we see the others in sunglasses.
Yeah.

Alice (14:02):
Yeah.
Um, noticeably as well, when the 118 rockup, it's just Bobby, Chim, Hen, and Eddie.
There's no Bosco.

Ellen (14:12):
Oh yeah.

Alice (14:13):
And still no Buck.

Bex (14:14):
There is a driver, but the poor thing doesn't even, isn't
even allowed out of the rig.
He has to stay in.

Alice (14:21):
Maybe he's scared of birds, it's fine.

Bex (14:22):
I don't know.
But yes, the, uh, the Awesome Foursomeget out of the rigs and they take
in the sight of all of the birds.
There's like over a dozen of them perchedon top of the barn and all of the sort
of things gathered around the barn andour pop culture expert just looks and
goes, "I think I've seen this movie."

Alice (14:43):
Because of course Chim does.

Bex (14:46):
I think I've seen this film before and I didn't like the ending.

Ellen (14:50):
Well, if he's talking about that Crows movie, the Doesn't
everyone get eaten by the crows?

Bex (14:56):
I think he's talking about Hitchcock's The Birds.

Ellen (14:58):
The Birds?
Yeah, the birds.

Alice (15:00):
Yeah, definitely The Birds.

Ellen (15:01):
Yeah.

Bex (15:03):
Uh, so Bobby orders them into turnouts and head protection.
Even though the, the crowsaren't actually doing anything
at the moment, just in case.

Ellen (15:14):
Yeah.
I love this part because they're, they'reso carefully pushing, um, like a gurney
forward, like a, like a tank, basically,and they're all, they're all creeping
really, they're looking really tense andkind of worried about the whole thing,
and the crows are just sitting there,they're just not doing anything, but yeah.

Bex (15:37):
Yeah, but while the rest of them are, um, are acting like they're about
to walk into war, Chim's futzing withthe name badge on his duty uniform.

Ellen (15:49):
He keeps dropping it.

Bex (15:50):
It keeps falling off, it keeps dropping and it
keeps trying to pick it up.

Ellen (15:54):
Yeah, I was wondering why they were bothering with this and
then I realized that they, it'slike a shiny thing that, like it's,

Alice (16:01):
it's Chekhov's name tag.
Yeah.

Bex (16:03):
It's very much Chekhov's name tag.
This is obvious.
Yeah, it's shiny and it's very definitelyChim's, so, uh, the last time that he
drops it, one of the crows flies downand lands on, on a, these, what are they?
There's weird metalframe y things that are

Alice (16:24):
It's kind of fence ish?

Bex (16:26):
It's like gazebo shaped?
Whether you would train treesto grow into them, into shapes.
I don't know, but it's something, it'sa structure in front of them, and the
crow lands on it, and everybody freezes.
And Bobby orders Chimto leave the name badge.

Alice (16:46):
And stay calm.

Bex (16:49):
And Chim very, very carefully, um, lowers his visor and starts
buttoning up his turnout as theymove past the crows and head into the
barn, where they find the two kids.

Alice (17:04):
I like that Hen, this entire time, as well, is just,
like, the crow encyclopaedia.
Um, like, Eddie's like, "Oh, there'scrows all over the city. never heard
of them attacking everyone." AndHen's like, "Yeah, that's because
crows are very docile. They don'tattack unless they're provoked."

Bex (17:23):
Yes.

Alice (17:25):
So they get to, they get to the barn past the crow
that's just staring at them.
And of course it's Chim that'sbeing stared at the most because
of his hatred for animals.
But yeah, so they get to the barn andone of the kids who wasn't really the
instigator more just like the backup.

(17:45):
Says that Dean is cut upreal bad, but he's fine.

Ellen (17:51):
Just saying Dean Winchester would never throw a rock at a crow.
Although he has sworn at birds.

Alice (17:57):
I was going to say he tried to shoot a pigeon, but

Ellen (17:59):
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, that, that is a really strange,strange sentence to say, but anyway, yes.

Alice (18:07):
But yeah, Supernatural was a fever dream of a show.
It's fine.
Yeah.

Bex (18:10):
Um, but this Dean has massive gouges at the back of his neck where the crows
have attacked him while they were running.
So Hen and Chim are working on himwhile Eddie checks out the other kid
just to make sure that he's okay.
Hen 100 percent is blaming these kids.

(18:31):
Yeah.
For what's happened to them.

Alice (18:32):
Hen's being openly hostile here.

Ellen (18:37):
Yeah, well, the kid's like a bit worried because Hen says, "Make
sure no major arteries were hit."
And he's like, "Am I going to die?" AndChim's like, "No, she was just kidding.
It's all right." But Hen doesn't have abar of it. She's like, "Those crows just
attacked you from out of nowhere, didn'tthey?" Dean tries to get, he's like going
with the story. He's like, "it was crazy.
Tell them Riley." Riley'sjust like, "Um, yeah.

(19:01):
It was like they werepossessed or something."

Bex (19:05):
Yeah, but then immediately, when Hen reveals that she is 100
percent knows what they did, theyturn on each other so quickly.

Ellen (19:17):
Yeah.

Bex (19:18):
Hen's like, "Are you sure it didn't have anything to do with those rocks?" And
Riley is immediately like, "Dean did it!"
Dean's like, "No I didn't!"

Ellen (19:26):
Meanwhile, Chim is freaking out because he can see the
crows out the window and he'slike, "They know we're in here."

Bex (19:36):
And Hen corrects him.
Like "They know the kids are in here.Crows are smart and they don't hold
any grudges." Bobby's a little bit,

Ellen (19:44):
No, they do hold grudges

Alice (19:46):
Yeah, they do hold grudges.

Bex (19:47):
Bobby's like "You think they're waiting for the boys to come out?"
And Hen's like, "Well, yeah, 100%.
They haven't been known to remember thefaces of their tormentors years later."

Ellen (19:56):
She's trying to put the fear of God into them.
"They're bye crows." Is that what he says?

Bex (20:03):
Yes, and I don't understand it.
And I don't know whether it's justbecause the transcript has spelt it B Y
E, or whether it's B I, um, I don't know.
If anybody, if anybody can explainwhat Chim means when he says, "Oh,
they're bye crows," um, I would love,I would love you to educate me as

(20:27):
to what the hell he's talking about.

Ellen (20:30):
No, I don't know that one.

Bex (20:31):
Nobody in the 118 pays any attention to this.
They're obviously used to Chimjust spouting non sequiturs.
Um, and instead they hatch a planbecause if the crows are waiting for
the boys to get out, how are they goingto get the boys out and to hospital?
So the idea is if they're lookingfor two little boys, the 118

(20:53):
will give them something else.
So instead of two little boys coming out,they instead get a body on a gurney and
the tiniest fire captain known to mankind.

Ellen (21:06):
I was totally like, why don't they just put one kid on the
other kid's shoulders and then putthe big flying paper to the top?
That would be fine.
But no, one of them is on the gurney.
And he'd look, the other one looksso cute in the, you know, turn out
coat that's way too big for him.

Bex (21:24):
Yeah, they literally put him in Bobby's turn out coat and his helmet
and it's like down to his feet.
Um, he's absolutely swimming in it.
But apparently it's enough to disguisethem from the crows because the crows,
for the most part, let them pass.
Except for one.

(21:45):
One does land in front of Chim andChim kind of acts as cannon fodder,
allowing the rest of the 118 to goaround him and head towards the rigs.

Ellen (21:59):
Because Hen tells him that if you make eye contact with a crow you
can, you know, influence it to do stuff.
Or like, you know, get it to trust you.
And, but Chim goes one step further andjust like takes out a muesli bar from
his pocket and gives it to the crow.

Bex (22:14):
I love that when you were watching this you're like,
Chim, don't feed the crow.

Ellen (22:18):
Why are you feeding them?
They're all going to come to you nowand you're not going to like that.

Bex (22:22):
No, you have to give offerings to the nice symbol of pestilence and death to,
uh, to let the rest of the crew go past.

Ellen (22:31):
Yep.

Bex (22:32):
And it works.
They're all able to leave the HarvestFestival and they get the kids to the
hospital, except while Hen is pushing Deaninto the, uh, the emergency room, um, Chim
hears a cawing and turns around and thereis a crow sitting on top of the ambulance,
except when he tries to bring it toHen's attention, it's no longer there.

(22:57):
So the crows are gaslightingChim, It's great.

Ellen (22:59):
Yeah.
They've got some more of thosebrownies from the um, you know,
the public, hallucinations.

Alice (23:09):
Well, Chim missed out the first time, so it's about time it's his go.

Ellen (23:12):
Yeah, and all that before the title card, really?

Bex (23:16):
Yeah, that was our cold open.
So after the title card, we are at theGrant household where it looks like
May is having a Halloween movie night.

Ellen (23:28):
That's a huge screen that they're setting up the back there.

Bex (23:31):
That's, that is such a cool setup.

Ellen (23:33):
It is amazing.
They've got all, I don't, I don't knowif they're beanbags or just seats that
are covered in blankets or whatever, um.

Bex (23:41):
I don't know, but it's.

Ellen (23:42):
Around the garden.

Bex (23:44):
I mean, I remember having sleepovers and movie nights where
it was just us, like, in the livingroom, just spread out, sprawled out,
grabbing whatever, with sleepingbags, whatever pillows we could find.

Ellen (23:55):
Yeah.

Bex (23:56):
Like, Athena has gone all out.
There is a massive snacktable, um, they've set up a
giant screen in the backyard.

Ellen (24:04):
And Bobby and Athena are going out.
They're not going to bethere when they're there.

Bex (24:07):
Yes, that's crazy.
Why aren't they just like staying intheir room just in case anything happens?

Ellen (24:14):
Yeah.
Yeah, Bobby's having a bit ofa worry about the whole thing.

Bex (24:19):
But he's not just worrying about this.
I think he's worried abouteverything in general.
Like, anything he can worryabout, he is worrying about it.
Which is why he's up at threein the morning stress baking.

Ellen (24:33):
Yes, I think it does say "There's seven different kinds
of baked goods in our kitchen."
Um, because apparently tomorrowis Buck's first day back.
So, Bobby is a little stressed.
But, uh, he says that Buck hassigned all of the liability waivers
and he thinks that they coulddrop a piano on Buck's head and he

(24:53):
wouldn't be able to sue them for it.
But yeah, he does let it out a littlebit where Bobby says, "I don't know
what I'm doing. He just doesn't thinkthings through. He acts and then
leaves the rest of us to deal withit." Yeah, Athena does tell him that
he's allowed to be mad with Buck.

Bex (25:09):
Yeah, he's worried about what's, he's worried about
what's going to happen to Buck.
I don't think it's so much a worry aboutthe implications for the department.
I think he is worriedabout Buck for Buck's sake.

Ellen (25:23):
Yeah, well he's pushed so hard to come back and, I mean, he's still
got the blood thinner problem, you know?

Alice (25:29):
Mm hmm.

Ellen (25:30):
So

Alice (25:30):
Not to mention he just threw the entire team under a bus, and
if you can't work as a team Yes.
And if you can't trust thepeople you're working with

Bex (25:40):
And, uh, as we see when Buck walks into the station house, this
is not a team that's going to belikely to forgive and forget easily.
Um, because as Buck walks in, he isobviously thrilled to be there, and
he tries saying hi to everybody as hewalks through, and he's just ignored.

(26:03):
They've got a good old fashionedshunning going on in there.

Alice (26:07):
To be fair, he doesn't know all their names.

Ellen (26:08):
It's funny because all the other people who are in there,
yeah, they're not, they're notpeople that we know because they're
all, you know, background 118.

Bex (26:17):
But they don't even, they don't acknowledge him at all.
There's like not evena turn to look at him.
It's just as if he doesn't exist to them.

Ellen (26:25):
Yeah.

Bex (26:27):
And I think what really, really sort of, um, drives it home for Buck is that
he gets to sort of the middle of the,The garage, the station house, where that
beam where the loft of the, it's likethe bottom of the loft, where they would
normally hang a banner, it's just empty.

(26:48):
There's no banner up there.
Even though it's his first day back.

Alice (26:53):
Yep.
There's no welcome back Buck.
There's nothing.

Bex (26:56):
Nope.
Which, I mean, like, what did he expect?

Ellen (27:00):
Yeah, he's not coming back under any like, you know, joyous
circumstances for anybody else, really.

Bex (27:04):
And even his lawyer warned him that he might not be welcomed back.

Alice (27:12):
Yeah.
I think he definitely, like, becausethey did do the smash room as well,
right at the end of last episode.
Yeah.
And so I think he was like,oh, like, we're fine now.
Like, it's chill.
They'll be fine.

Bex (27:23):
Yeah, but he wasn't in the same smash room as the others.
He was off to the side with Lena.
Yeah.
Who's not in this episode.

Alice (27:30):
Poor, poor Bosco.

Bex (27:33):
So even whatever tentative truce he had going on with Lena, that, that
doesn't even exist right now becauseapparently she's gone back to the 137?
Is that her house?

Ellen (27:47):
I don't know, you're the numbers girl.
I don't remember.

Bex (27:50):
That's, that's scary, that I'm the numbers girl.
Um.
Yep, but Hen is the only onewho makes any kind of overture.
Because she comes in and she'sgot a little cupcake for him.
It's not a full sheet cake,it's not a, um, you know, a

(28:14):
bust, a fondant bust of Buck.

Ellen (28:19):
Under a firetruck.

Bex (28:21):
Under a firetruck.
Um, but it's, I too love, it'sa red velvet cupcake and it
bleeds when you cut into it.
Which I think is just perfect.

Ellen (28:32):
And Buck does say that "you're the only, you're the only person
who's actually welcomed me back."
She said, she says that that's,you know, Bobby's fault, basically.
They've got to follow his lead.

Bex (28:43):
They all feel like they have to follow his lead, yeah.
Yeah.

Ellen (28:46):
Buck asks her about the baby making.
"Are you and Karen knocked up yet?"

Bex (28:52):
Gotta throw in that storyline.

Ellen (28:55):
Yeah, gotta remind everybody that, um, of what happened last week.
So she doesn't actuallygive anything away.
She just sort of said, "Oh, it'sa long process." So maybe they
haven't quite decided yet, but yeah.
But she does sort of tell himthat it's good to have you back.

Alice (29:13):
Yeah, she missed the puppy, really.
You might chew your shoes andpee in the wrong places, but
It's sad when they're not around.

Bex (29:22):
So then, Eddie arrives at the station house.
I don't know where he'sbeen, or what's going on.
He looks absolutely exhausted.
Um, so whether he's been on shiftalready, or Fight Club's keeping
him up at night, I don't know.
He's got a massive bruise on his elbow.

(29:43):
Which Buck comments onas he walks up to Eddie.
And, oh!
I just twigged um, Buck.
Buck is responsible for the episode title.

Ellen (29:57):
Oh.

Bex (29:58):
He looks at, um, Eddie's bruise and he goes, that's a monster.

Ellen (30:02):
I think other people mentioned the, um, the word later as well.
But yes.

Bex (30:08):
Well, Buck's got, Buck's got the first, the first mention.
And Eddie is so pissed at Buck andhe does not want to talk to Buck
at all, that he forgets who he'stalking to and he blames roughhousing
with Christopher on his bruise.
Which

Alice (30:25):
Like, what's Chris doing, smacking him with his crutches?

Bex (30:27):
Exactly!
I mean, that kind of answerwould probably blow off anybody
who did not know Christopher.
But Buck is very aware who Christopheris, and is very aware that Christopher,
unless Eddie was laying down and justsubmitting as Christopher wailed on him
with his crutches, Chris is not capableof creating that kind of bruise on Eddie.

Alice (30:51):
Like it's a massive bruise.

Bex (30:53):
It's massive.

Alice (30:53):
It's like, it's Like, yeah, it's bad.
Um, and Buck Immediately just goes,"Were you playing with hammers?"

Bex (31:03):
And Eddie is so cold, he just says, "There's nothing that
you need to be concerned with."

Ellen (31:10):
Yeah.
What?
Keep going.
Ooh.

Bex (31:11):
I never want Eddie to be, I never want Eddie to be pissed at me 'cause
he is just so mean when he's mad.

Alice (31:19):
Chris is clearly so sad about Buck's absence
that he's taken to violence.
. Ellen: Yeah.
Oh, well, Chim's happythat he, that Buck's back.
He says, welcome back and, and, uh buck'ssort of like, "oh, at least someone's
gonna welcome me back. Thanks, Chim."

Bex (31:36):
Bobby doesn't acknowledge him at all.
Just tries to get straightinto the morning briefing.
Um, but is cut off by the bell.
They're being sent out on a call.
We don't hear clearly what the call is.
But everybody startsto run for the trucks.
Bobby immediately tells Buckthat he's the man behind today.

(31:59):
And so once again, Even though hetheoretically got his job back,
even though he's technically workingtoday, he has to stay behind and
watch as everybody leaves him again.
So, Bobby was serious.
You, you questioned last weekwhether, um, Bobby was serious
when he said, my house, my rules.

(32:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was serious.

Ellen (32:22):
He was deadly serious.

Bex (32:23):
Yes.

Ellen (32:24):
Poor Buck.
He looks really sad again.

Bex (32:28):
It's like, because he fought so hard and he went through all
this shit to get back with his teamand now his team is leaving him.

Ellen (32:35):
Yeah.

Bex (32:36):
Although I can imagine the other members of the 118 are thrilled that they
actually get to leave the station houseand they're not forced to stay behind.

Ellen (32:44):
And they don't have Lena to back them up, so they are a man down.

Bex (32:49):
Yes, they are.

Ellen (32:50):
Okay, so after, so now we've got to go and see what Maddie's up to.

Bex (32:54):
Uh, yes.

Ellen (32:56):
So apparently Maddie has driven Tara home, to her house, in her car.

Bex (33:01):
Yes, because, um, Vincent made Tara buy a car that
looked cool, but does not work.
Which I'm guessing means it's somekind of swanky European model.
I don't know.
just like breaks down andnobody has the parts in stock.

Ellen (33:19):
And apparently that's Tara's fault, according to Vincent.

Bex (33:24):
Although the, um, the really cynical part of my brain wondered whether
Maddie hadn't done something to the car.

Alice (33:31):
Oh, I did wonder that too.
It's just,

Bex (33:36):
it's so convenient.
The Tara's car breaks down.
And so Maddie has to driveher home and then she wrangles
an invitation into the house.

Ellen (33:45):
Oh my god, yeah.

Bex (33:46):
See?

Ellen (33:48):
Yeah, it could be.

Bex (33:51):
I'm sure, I'm sure that it was just a coincidence and Maddie is
just um, taking advantage of this but

Ellen (33:59):
It looks bad.

Bex (34:00):
It does look bad.

Ellen (34:03):
Oh dear, oh well, she, she said like Tara thanks her and says "I owe you."
And Maddie's like, "Oh you can repay meby letting me use your bathroom." and
so Tara's like, "Okay, come on in."
So Maddie just puts on her snooping shoes.

Bex (34:26):
And Vincent very conveniently calls again, um, as they walk into the house.
So Tara sort of excuses herselfand locks herself away so she
can be berated by her husband.
Um, and yeah, Maddiedecides to go snooping.
She ends up the upper leveland then in the main bedroom.

(34:47):
And I'm watching this going, whatthe, what are you looking for, Maddie?

Alice (34:54):
Literally like a typewriter that's just like,

Bex (34:57):
Has like a sheet of paper.

Alice (34:59):
"All work and no play makes..." yeah.

Bex (35:03):
Like what are you expecting that Vincent has a diary just laid
out on the desk, with like, or likesome kind of planner, like "Monday,
hit my wife. Tuesday, hit my wife.Wednesday, hit gym, hit my wife."

Ellen (35:16):
Like a trash can with like a bloodied rag or something.
Yes.
What?
What exactly?

Bex (35:23):
I mean, she even goes rifling through the medicine cabinet in the ensuite.

Ellen (35:29):
And sure enough, Tara does sort of catch her at it, but she's sort of,
she's like, "I thought you needed to usethe bathroom. You walked right past,"
and Maddie's like, "Oh, sorry. I just hadto see what the view was like up here."
I don't remember if weget to see the view?

Bex (35:44):
We do get to see the view.
It is beautiful.

Ellen (35:46):
Okay, okay.
But I have a feeling I shouldhave rewinded and have a look.

Bex (35:51):
I have a feeling that Maddie didn't actually need to go into the
master bedroom in order to see the view.

Ellen (35:56):
No, no.
It is a strange thing todo in a stranger's house.

Alice (36:01):
Yes.
But Tara, instead of throwingMaddie out, offers her a drink.

Bex (36:06):
She does seem very lonely.

Alice (36:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So they have some wine.
Tara says that they don't even haveanything to go with it, because
they don't entertain much, becauseVincent hates having people over.
and this is Maddie's opening.

Bex (36:19):
Maddie commiserates.
Yeah, apparently Dougwas exactly the same.

Ellen (36:23):
They do have a little heart to heart here about husbands
and getting out kind of thing.

Bex (36:28):
Yeah, I think Maddie thinks that she's making some progress.

Ellen (36:32):
Yeah.

Bex (36:32):
That she's at least sowed the seeds
that will convince Tara thatshe can leave if she wants to.

Alice (36:42):
When Tara was like, I Oh, is that why your ex is an ex?
Maddie's just like, uh, no, it'sbecause I smashed, like, killed him.
Uh, what?
Um, Oh, because he kidnapped me

Bex (36:54):
and then I had to stab him to death.

Alice (36:57):
Yeah, um, but yeah, Maddie says she spent a lot of years
trying to be the perfect wife.
Then she realized one daythat she deserved better.
And leaving's always scary, but Maddie'sproof that there's always a way out.

Bex (37:10):
And then we cut to the start of As bad as this sounds, this
is one of my favorite storylines.
This is why this episode is myfavorite of the Halloween episodes.
Uh, although I do want to note something,um, that when I, when I'm preparing the
notes that we use, when we're talkingabout these episodes, I, I use a website

(37:33):
that's pulls the closed captions, um, fromsomewhere and the closed captions usually
make a note of what song is playing.
When a needle drop happenswhen it, in the episode.
When I was watching it on Disney, thisscene starts with an REO Speedwagon song.

(37:56):
But, when I was looking at the transcript,it says that it's a Tom Petty and the
Heartbreakers song, "American Girl".
And when I went to, there's a websitethat I've used and that um, one of our
followers has recommended, uh, whichis Tunefinds, which kind of lists all
of the music that's used in TV showsand they have a, a page for 9-1-1.

(38:18):
That one also justmentions REO Speedwagon.
So I'm wondering where theTom Petty song came from.
And whether in the original,like when it originally aired,
maybe it was a Tom Petty song?
Because I'm wondering if perhaps if, uh,they got the license to use Tom Petty

(38:40):
and then, um, considering what happenedin this scene, maybe the people that
granted the license went, no, hang on.
You didn't tell us that that's what thissong is going to be associated with.
And so they pulledpermission to use the song.
So for streaming services and foreverything else, it's now REO Speedwagon.
And I don't know.

Ellen (38:58):
Or, I mean, this also was, um, aired, like, five years ago,
so it could be that it's, whateverpermission they had has expired.

Bex (39:06):
I don't know.
There, it's, it's sometimes weird that,um, the licences are very specific,
like, it might have been, they had thelicence for it to air on television,
but it, they didn't get the licence.

Ellen (39:17):
Oh, for streaming it might be different.

Bex (39:18):
For streaming?
Yeah.

Ellen (39:20):
Yeah.

Bex (39:20):
Yeah.
Because I just watched, I just sawa TikTok today about Wayne's World.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, like, um, Led Zeppelin gave thempermission to use a tiny, tiny snip of
"Stairway to Heaven" for the theatricalrelease, but they didn't give them
permission, or they wanted more moneyfor the rights to use "Stairway to

(39:40):
Heaven" for the television release.
So they had to pull the, themusic from that scene, um, and
then they got permission againfor when it went to streaming so
they were able to put it back.

Ellen (39:55):
How weird.

Bex (39:56):
Anyway.
So that was in my head when Isaw this this Tom Petty /REO
Speedwagon thing going on.
I just wondered what was going on.
Because it's not exactly a pleasant scene.

Ellen (40:06):
No.

Bex (40:06):
It starts off fine enough.
We have a woman driving.
It's nighttime.
She's talking on speakerphone aboutsome kind of party that she is planning.
I don't know if it's her partyor if she's just planning it.
She's conferring with somebody on thephone about the details for the party.

(40:27):
Um She does mention that she hasto get a costume, so I'm guessing
it's some kind of Halloween party.
Uh, when suddenly she looks up andshe sees that there is a cyclist
on the road in front of her.
So she swerves to avoid thecyclist, but instead hits a jogger,
and he goes over her bonnet andstraight through her windshield.

(40:50):
And as that happens, sheslams on the brake, her head
slams into the steering wheel.

Ellen (40:59):
Yeah, when she kind of wakes up again, she's got blood all over her face
and her ears are ringing, she sort ofcomes to, and then she just drives off.

Bex (41:10):
Yeah.

Ellen (41:11):
She doesn't even notice.

Bex (41:12):
And see, the song is still playing at this point, which is why I wonder
whether Tom Petty decided he did not wanthis song to be associated with a woman.
In a gruesome hit and run.

Ellen (41:24):
Maybe!

Bex (41:26):
REO Speedwagon apparently okay with it, Tom Petty apparently not so much.

Ellen (41:30):
It's like, literally a hit and run, she runs away with the body.

Bex (41:35):
Yeah, she runs all the way back home, parks her car in the garage,
and then gets out and goes inside.
And he is still in the windshield,and just before it cuts to
commercial, we hear him take a breath.
So he's still alive.
I So it was, it was bad enough whenwe thought he was just a dead body

(41:58):
hanging in her windshield, but now it'sa very badly injured, but still alive
man hanging through her windshield.

Ellen (42:06):
I mean, it's, yeah, I don't know how hard she hit her head,
but obviously extremely hard.

Bex (42:12):
I'm going to say extremely hard.

Ellen (42:15):
Yes.

Bex (42:16):
Uh, this is a, um, this storyline is a Ripped from the Headlines storyline,
um, but the true story is very, verydifferent from what happens in the
episode, so I think we might leavediscussion of that until after we've
seen this entire storyline play out.

Ellen (42:32):
Okay.
All right, so we're going togo to a mall, um, where Maddie
and Chim are having a date.
It's date night.

Bex (42:41):
Did you get that?

Ellen (42:43):
No, where are we, why are we going to the mall?

Bex (42:45):
Let's go to the mall.
It's Robyn Sparkles!

Ellen (42:50):
Okay.

Bex (42:52):
Oh no, we've lost her.

Alice (42:52):
So, just, just to be clear, you want everyone to go to the mall today?

Bex (42:57):
Yes.

Ellen (43:00):
No, I don't know what you're talking about.

Bex (43:02):
Oh no!
It's a How I Met Your Mother reference.

Ellen (43:07):
Oh, okay, okay.

Bex (43:08):
Robin was a teenage Canadian pop star.

Alice (43:11):
Wow, spoilers.

Bex (43:12):
And her, how old is this show?
I swear there is a statuteof limitations on spoilers.

Alice (43:21):
It's also in season two of the show, so like.
It's old.
It was 2006.

Ellen (43:28):
Oh wow.

Bex (43:28):
And Robin's, um, like number one hit was "Let's Go to the
Mall", where she sings aboutgoing to the mall, funnily enough.

Alice (43:37):
It was also in, um, the, like, what's it called, like the
Just Dance or Let's Dance games?

Bex (43:43):
No, no.
I have it.
I do have that edition.
I can do the dance to"Let's Go to the Mall."

Alice (43:51):
You can't see me, but I'm doing the dance.

Bex (43:56):
So yes, we've gone to the mall.
It is date night, and I think theimplication is that Maddie and Chim
went to a horror movie because they

Alice (44:05):
Yeah, they went to see a movie called Halloween.
Yeah, they yeah.
I don't know if it's a real movie.
I didn't actually look that up.

Bex (44:11):
Please tell me you're joking.

Ellen (44:13):
I'm sure there are plenty of movies called Halloween.

Bex (44:15):
You don't know the Halloween series?
Michael Myers?

Alice (44:19):
Oh, is that just called Halloween?

Bex (44:20):
Yeah!

Alice (44:21):
The Michael Myers movie?

Bex (44:21):
Yeah, it's Halloween.

Alice (44:23):
Oh, there you go.
Well, yeah.

Bex (44:25):
Oh my god.
So yeah, so Chim

Alice (44:30):
Okay, never mind that.

Bex (44:32):
Chim and Maddie are discussing, um, Halloween and the entire franchise
when they run into Tara and Vincent.
And it's the most awkwardinteraction because Maddie is

Alice (44:48):
Oh, it's so uncomfortable.

Bex (44:49):
Maddie is clearly thrown.
that she's meeting Tara.
So she's like, "Tara,what are you doing here?"
And Tara's like, "Oh, what are youguys doing here?" And she's talking
to Tara and she's, you know, "Niceto see you again, Vincent," Chim
is just standing there waiting forsomeone to talk to him or introduce

(45:10):
him or introduce themselves to him.
Um, until he eventually goes,"Oh, and, uh, hi, I'm Howie,"
actual person here.
Somebody pay attention to me.

Ellen (45:26):
And so then Maddie goes, "Oh, yeah, sorry.
Um, Tara is my trainer at the gym."And Chim's like, "Oh, I didn't know
that you were working with a trainer."

Bex (45:36):
And Maddie's like, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up.

Ellen (45:39):
Yeah.

Bex (45:40):
Which thankfully Chim picks up on and he continues the conversation, reveals
that he might not be a member of thatgym, but he has been there many times
before, usually to rescue people whohave hurt themselves with the weights.
Is this the same gym that had the guythat cooked himself in the tanning

(46:02):
bed, or is this a different franchise?

Ellen (46:05):
Oh,
that was too long ago.

Alice (46:08):
Surely a different one.

Ellen (46:10):
There must be heaps of gyms in LA, surely.
In their area.

Alice (46:13):
I mean, yeah, there's heaps in my area, and I live
in the middle of nowhere, so.
Okay, different.

Ellen (46:18):
I mean, they could have used the same set.

Bex (46:21):
I wasn't even looking at it closely.
It's just that the last time thatwe've, the only time we've seen them
attend a call at the gym was that one.
So Tara notes that, um, It's sogreat, Chim being a paramedic
and Maddie being a nurse.
And Chim's just like, wait,wait, you're a nurse now?

Alice (46:45):
Chim's like, when did you get a new job?
When did you, like, how longwere we in that movie for?

Bex (46:51):
What the hell is going on here?
Did I walk out into an alternate reality?
Um, And Maddie's, like, realizingthat she needs to retreat, she needs
to get herself out of this situation.
She's like, "Yeah, you know what,we actually have to go early because
Chim has an early shift, you know,tomorrow, Halloween, big day."
So they all go their separate ways.

(47:14):
And then Chim starts demanding answers.

Ellen (47:16):
Mm hmm.
It's like, "Who is that and whydoes she think that you're a
nurse?" And Maddie's like, "Oh, it'scomplicated." Chim calls her out on it.

Alice (47:30):
What do you think Chim's first thought here was though?
Because like, Maddie's literallyacting like she's, like, been cheating.

Ellen (47:38):
Yeah, I mean, they've just had this conversation about not
keeping secrets from each other.

Bex (47:42):
Yeah, and she is keeping a very big secret.

Ellen (47:46):
Yeah, and so finally she actually confesses that Tara called 9-1-1 five
times in two months, which is a pattern.
And Chim's like, "You.You sought her out?"

Bex (48:01):
Yeah, Chim realises what has happened and what's going on.
Um, but he kind of

Ellen (48:08):
He gets very, sort of, aggressive with her.
Like, not aggressive, but like

Bex (48:12):
It's, I don't want to say it's an overreaction, but he tells her
that by lying to her, by insertingherself into her life under false
pretenses, she's no better than Doug.
Because that's exactly what Dougdid to him before he stabbed him
and left him to bleed out for sixmonths on Maddie's front doorstep.

(48:33):
Yeah, that's And that's,that's, that's harsh, Chim.

Alice (48:36):
That's not a good comparison.

Ellen (48:38):
Yeah, Maddie does say, "This is, it's not like Doug. I'm trying to help
her." But, um, Chim says "You can't helpsomeone by lying to them. You already know
that, otherwise you would have told meabout this creepy stalker plan weeks ago."
It's like, whoa, Chim, okay.

Bex (48:54):
Yeah, and any, any headway that he had with trying to help Maddie,
she's slammed up all her defenses.
She's like, that's not fair.
And she tries to walk away.
But Chim stops her, grabs her hand andtells her that, okay, he acknowledges
that he's not being fair, but she'snot being fair to Tara either.

(49:14):
She needs to tell Tara the truth.
But, Maddie is not willing.
She's got this plan, she's notwilling to deviate from it.
She's like, "I will tellher, like, eventually."
And so Chim gets pissed.

(49:35):
He's like, "You know what?
We probably should go, you know?
I have that early shiftin the morning, remember?
Halloween!
Big day!" And then storms off.

Ellen (49:44):
Yeah, and as he says that, he says it quite loudly, and there's a
guy standing behind him who, like,looks over and kind of looks back at
the person he's there with and goes,what was that all about, you know?
I was looking at it going,whoa, that guy heard it.

Alice (50:02):
The extra's really earning his money.
It

Ellen (50:03):
was a funny reaction, yeah.

Bex (50:05):
He's really intense about Halloween.

Ellen (50:07):
Yeah.. Okay, so we're going back to the station.
This must be the next day when,you know, it is Halloween and
they're having the next shift.
Um, Bobby is asking someoneif they can handle it.
There is a sort of teal coloredbucket with lollies in it.

(50:30):
Sweets.
Sorry, lollies is the local lingo.

Bex (50:34):
The Teal Bucket is specifically a project that was set up in the U. S.
by the, I think it was a local one thatstarted in Tennessee, but it's become
national through the Food Allergy Resourceand Education Program, which they're
supposed to start You're supposed touse the teal buckets to give out non
food treats for trick or treaters, tomake trick or treating more inclusive.

(50:57):
Because even though Bobby...

Ellen (50:58):
For kids with food allergies.

Bex (50:59):
Yeah, Bobby has loaded up the teal bucket with what he says is nut free,
dairy free, egg free, soy free, and glutenfree treats, there is still going to
be somebody who can't eat any of that.
So the teal bucket is supposedto be non food treats.
So that kids who can't either eat food atall, so perhaps they've got like those,

(51:20):
um, they're fed with like food tubes.
I can't remember what themedical term is for that.
Um, but if they can't eat food, theycan still pick something out of a bucket
on when they go trick or treating.

Ellen (51:35):
Oh, that's great.

Bex (51:37):
Um, but Bobby has apparently not done his homework properly because
he's got Like, allergy safe foods,but it's not as fully inclusive as the
Teal Bucket Project is supposed to be.
Um, but I guess the kids who can't eatanything out of the Teal Bucket could get
a smoke alarm, because there are boxesof smoke alarms on the table as well.

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And apparently, Buck is the one who isresponsible for handing all of that out.

Ellen (52:07):
He says, "who are these for? Kids who are allergic to fun?"
but they're for the parents, apparently.

Bex (52:14):
Along with pamphlets on fire safety.

Ellen (52:16):
Yeah, yay.
Um, but, Buck is like, "So how long areyou planning to keep punishing me for?"

Bex (52:24):
Oh, Buck.
He just keeps pushing.

Ellen (52:28):
Yeah.

Bex (52:28):
Like, dude, you literally just got back.
Give Bobby some time.
And that's pretty much what Bobby says tohim, you know, like, "Buck, someday you're
going to figure out when to stop pushing.
I hope we're both alive to see it.

Ellen (52:45):
And then Chimney hears this and he comes over to tell him, you know,
give him a talk about how when hefirst joined, he wasn't allowed to see.
He goes, "The only time I saw theoutside of the building was at the
start and end of my shift. BecauseI wasn't allowed to go anywhere."

Bex (53:01):
Completely different reasons though.
Buck is being kept in thestation house for his own safety.
Chim was being kept in thestation house because the fire
captain was a racist arsehole.

Alice (53:12):
Yeah.

Bex (53:13):
But, same, like, different reasons, same consequence.
Um, but, Chim coped with it ina very different way from the
way Buck is coping with it.
Chim was very productive, aswe saw in "Chimney Begins".

Ellen (53:28):
Yeah, did all the cleaning and practiced his,
getting his gear on and stuff.

Bex (53:33):
Did all his flashcards.

Ellen (53:35):
Yeah, yep.
And then eventually someone took pity onhim and let him go out in the ambulance.
And that was the end of that.

Bex (53:43):
Thank you, Eli.

Ellen (53:45):
Yeah.

Bex (53:46):
But what Buck takes from that is that he should just suck it up
and be patient like Bobby said.
And Chim's like, "Yeah, he's, he'snot always wrong. Except about the
smoke detectors. Nobody's goingto want the smoke detectors."
But Buck says that he is going to handthem out anyway, Captain's orders.

Ellen (54:07):
Chim asks him if he's talked to Maddie today and Buck's like, "No,
I think she's working." And I wonderif Chim's been trying to get in touch
with her and she's been avoiding him.

Bex (54:17):
Possibly.

Ellen (54:18):
But yeah, Buck walks off and then Chim hears a crow and he
looks, he turns around and there's acrow on top of the ambulance again.
And he's like, "Are you agood omen or a bad omen?
Because I googled you and the oldwives are kind of divided on this."

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But um, he's like sort of looking aroundgoing, "Is anyone else seeing this?"
And Eddie's like, "Seeing what?"Then the crow's gone again.

Bex (54:47):
And then so is Eddie, because I swear he showed up
just to ransack the snack table.
Because I think we see just fora second, him grabbing snacks
out of this giant bucket.
and shoving them in hispocket as he walks away.

Alice (55:01):
Beating the shit out of people every night is hungry work, okay?

Ellen (55:05):
Buck wasn't there to, um, to, you know,

Bex (55:08):
slap his hand out of the way?

Ellen (55:09):
Alright, we're back to the lady with the man in the windshield.
Um, it's the morning,she's leaving for work.
She has a huge lump on her forehead.
It looks awful.

Bex (55:24):
She also has two different shoes on her feet.

Ellen (55:28):
Oh, does she?

Bex (55:29):
Yeah, she has a black shoe and like an apricot colored shoe.
Yeah, I don't think she'squite thinking straight.
No.

Alice (55:37):
No, cause like, she forgot "the list".

Bex (55:39):
I love this.
So she gets in the car, windshield guyis still there, and there's, she puts
her bag down and there's a moment whereshe goes like, "Oh my god!" And we
think, as the audience, Oh my god, she'sfinally realized windshield guy is there.
And she's like, "The list! You forgotthe list!" And then she has to get
back out of the car, walk back to herhouse, get the list, then she gets

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back in the car and drives to work.
Still has not acknowledgedWindshield Guy, who is still alive.
And at this point it's getting almostridiculous because she literally turns
and puts her bag on the passengerseat right in front of his head, and
yet still does not acknowledge him.

Ellen (56:21):
Yeah, I'm not sure if Look, it'd be, like, I know the rest of the
story is based in a real thing thathappened, but I'm pretty sure that Like,
I don't know if you can hit your headso far, so hard that you can function
perfectly normally, but you can't see

Bex (56:37):
I don't know, the brain is, the brain is weird Yeah, the brain can do autopilot
things And we do, like, we do find outat the end that she has quite a serious
brain bleed So, depending on where that,um, that bleed is happening, which part
of her brain is impacted, I, yeah, maybeshe just literally does not see him.

(57:03):
Yeah.
Or she sees him but herbrain just does not compute.

Ellen (57:07):
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean the windscreen's allsmashed up as well, so you'd think
that she would be having troubledriving because she can't see,
but obviously she can see enough.

Bex (57:19):
Yeah, it's kind of just spider webbed around him, but the section where
she's looking out from is, is fine.
Maybe she's just like completely lostvision on that side of her head on like,
so the contusion is on above her left eye,so maybe she's completely lost vision in
the right side of her body or something.

Alice (57:38):
Hmm.
Well, my uncle gets, what are theycalled, they're like absence seizures,
and apparently he's had them for likeyears and years, went to the doctor
and then forgot that he got them.

Ellen (57:51):
Oh.

Alice (57:52):
But he found out again recently because he like got home,
got out of the car, and his car wasall smashed up because he'd driven
into a parked car on the way home.

Ellen (58:03):
Oh my god.

Alice (58:03):
And didn't notice.

Ellen (58:06):
Wow.

Alice (58:07):
Yeah, he had no idea.

Bex (58:09):
Well, there we go.

Ellen (58:09):
Does he like, does he just lose time or is...

Alice (58:12):
well, his body just keeps, like it just feels, the
brain just fills in the gaps.

Ellen (58:17):
That's terrifying though.

Alice (58:19):
I know, right?
And apparently it just looked like he'd,like, zone, like, he'd be talking to
someone and then just zone out for a bit.
Huh.
And everyone's like, oh yeah,he's just always done it.
And then it wasn't until he literallydrove into a parked car that, um,

Ellen (58:34):
They worked out what it was.

Alice (58:34):
Yeah, he, like, went to the doctor and they put, like, brain monitors
and stuff on him and they were justlike, ah, yeah, you're having seizures.

Ellen (58:40):
Oh my god.
Okay, so.

Alice (58:42):
He doesn't have to drive anymore, so that's, um.

Bex (58:44):
Yeah.
So perhaps not as

Alice (58:45):
But yeah, so brains are weird, is what I'm saying.

Bex (58:47):
Perhaps this storyline is, this aspect of this storyline is not
as far fetched as we would think.

Ellen (58:52):
Yeah.
Yeah, so we go, like, she's driving, sheis driving to work, but we go to a taco
shop where a family is sitting outsidea table, sort of near, near the curb,
eating, and um, cars are driving past.
And the, one of the cars they see haslike a pretend arm sticking out of

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the boot as a Halloween decoration.
And the, and one of the little,one of the little kids is like
really excited by that one.
That's so cool.
Look at that one.
But his big sister is not impressed.
She's like, "It's sick. It's perpetuatesa culture of socially acceptable
violence." Um, and I'm like, how youdon't look like you're old enough

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to be like, so upset about this.
But anyway, uh, she,
Like, she, she's like, "Oh myGod." And, um, they have seen the
lady pull up at the intersectionwith the guy in the windscreen.
And the little brother islike, "That level of violence
is totally acceptable to me."

Bex (01:00:01):
And they, I think they are, for a moment, they're all willing to accept that
it is a Halloween decoration, except theythen all see the guy's legs start to move.
And while the kids are still like,"Oh my God, that is awesome," The
parents are like, "Did you just...""Yeah, I," "Do you think..." "I
don't know, but I'm calling 9-1-1."

Ellen (01:00:21):
Yeah.
They have like a half a conversationthat somehow conveys the entire thing.
It was great.
All right.
So Maddie takes the call and the mansays... this, this calls a little
different because we actually see them.
It's not just the voice over the little.
What do you call that thing?
The sound wave thing?
Yeah.
You actually see them speakingon the phone to each other.

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So he says, "I, hello, I thinkthere's a body sticking out
of someone's car windshield."And Maddie's like, "I'm sorry?
Are you sure it's not a decoration?"
But yeah, the man explainsthat they saw it move.
So they think he's alive.
So they take all this, all thedetails that they can think of.

Bex (01:01:02):
There was actually a very productive 9-1-1 call, because they
managed to give a, um, a location.
They managed to give adescription of the car.
The wife even got partial plates.

Ellen (01:01:16):
Yeah.

Bex (01:01:17):
Which

Alice (01:01:17):
Yeah, go these people.

Bex (01:01:18):
Um, which then Maddie is then able to pass over to police.
It's like, all units be on thelookout for a sedan with partial plate
number with a man in the windshield.
Of course.
And the police dispatch is like, "Isthis real?" Maddie's like, "I don't know.
Find the car and get back to me."
Um, and because it is Halloween,um, everyone at dispatch

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has dressed in costume.

Ellen (01:01:45):
Oh yeah.
When we see Maddie talking, we can seethat she's wearing like little cat ears.

Bex (01:01:50):
Hers is the, hers is the, the laziest costume in the world.
She's got a headband with lace cat earsand a jumper that just says, I'm a cat.

Ellen (01:02:00):
Yeah.

Bex (01:02:00):
But then Josh

Ellen (01:02:01):
She's wearing all black.

Bex (01:02:02):
But then Josh shows up, and he is, he looks like Captain Feathersword.

Ellen (01:02:07):
Yes!
Oh my god, I laughed so hard when heturned up, I'm like what are you wearing?.

Bex (01:02:11):
Complete with a little parrot on his shoulder and an eye patch on one eye.

Ellen (01:02:17):
Yeah.
So he, he tells Maddie that he, todayhe's had three suspected hangings,
two possible decapitations, and onetruly convincing evisceration, all
of which were Halloween decorations.

Bex (01:02:30):
Which kind of explains why Maddie is so sceptical about the
call about a body in a windshield.
Yeah.
Because if you've got, you know,three suspected hangings and
decapitations and eviscerations.
Um, kudos to the, um, to thepeople of LA for stepping up
their Halloween decorations.
Yeah.

Ellen (01:02:51):
Yes.
I would love to go over therearound Halloween time to
see what everything's like.
Sounds amazing.

Bex (01:02:58):
It does.
It puts my little FrederickBobbington skeleton to shame.
My one little skeleton.

Ellen (01:03:07):
I do enjoy your skeleton.

Alice (01:03:08):
Little?

Bex (01:03:10):
True, he's almost as tall as I am.

Ellen (01:03:15):
He gives a shit about her costume.

Bex (01:03:16):
Yeah.
and then flounces off.
Because Maddie goes back to answeringcalls rather than talk to him.
So while one Buckley sibling istaking calls about possible, um,
Halloween decorations, the otherBuckley is handing out candy to
people who are visiting the 118.

Ellen (01:03:38):
And he's forcing kids only to take two bits of candy.

Alice (01:03:42):
Yeah, apparently the theme of this episode is shit kids.

Bex (01:03:47):
They're not the nicest kids in this episode, are they?

Ellen (01:03:49):
No, but he tells the kid that it's the rule, the rules that you can
only have two pieces and the kid's like,"That's a stupid rule." It's like, wow.
Okay.
It's like, "What are yousupposed to be anyway?"
And Buck's like, "I'm a firefighter."

Bex (01:04:04):
The kid like takes a knife and shoves it under Buck's ribs
and twists it and says, "How comeyou're not out fighting fires?" And
then we hear the 118 are pulled up.
They haven't pulled into the.
Cause it's full of kids, but they'vejust parked out the front and the kid
very pointedly goes, "Oh, look, mom,the real firefighters are here," And

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turns and gives Buck another look, justshoves that knife up a little bit higher.

Ellen (01:04:32):
So Buck decides to, uh, um, you know, hit back basically.
And it's like, The mom's like, "Oh,is he trying to get more candy out of
you?" And Buck says, "No, he's fine.
In fact, here, take a smoke detector.
It'll keep him safe until hisparole hearing." It's like whoa.
Okay.

Alice (01:04:51):
Just, well, the kid is dressed as a prisoner.

Bex (01:04:53):
The kid is dressed as a prisoner.
Um, and as he saysthis, Bobby has entered.
So all he kind of sees and hearsis Buck handing out the smoke
detectors as he was ordered to do.
So, um, he gets a "Nicework, Buckley" for that.
And then Buck tries toget Eddie to help him.

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Eddie walks past and Buck's like,very, like, "Oh, Eddie, do you want
to give me a hand with all this?"
Um, and Eddie just goes,just sort of stops and turns.
Says, "No, you've got this. You'reat 100%. The lawsuit proved that,
right?" And then just walked off again.
And, oh, damn, Edmundo.
Oh.

Ellen (01:05:33):
He just wants to be his friend again.

Bex (01:05:37):
Once again, I never want Eddie Diaz to be mad at me, cause damn.

Alice (01:05:41):
Yeah.
Poor Buck.
Not that he doesn'tdeserve it, but poor Buck.

Bex (01:05:50):
Uh, I, yeah, I don't know, I think it's, yes, he kind of,

Alice (01:06:00):
Their son needed him, okay?

Ellen (01:06:01):
I feel like Eddie has a lot of issues at the moment.

Alice (01:06:06):
Eddie couldn't even call him to bail him out of jail, if
that was something that happened.

Bex (01:06:08):
Eddie is taking this so personally.

Ellen (01:06:10):
Yes.
He's got a lot of crap that hasn'tbeen addressed yet, I think.

Bex (01:06:15):
Yeah.

Ellen (01:06:16):
That's what it feels like.

Bex (01:06:18):
Yes.
Anyway, elsewhere in LA, um, moretrick or treating is going on.
We're gonna hang out with, um, thisone guy and just watch him hand out
candy to multiple groups of people.
Um, lots of kids with lotsof, lots of groups of kids

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with lots of amazing costumes.
This guy seems to behaving a really good time.
Um, but he opens his door again tofind one girl standing on his doorstep.
by herself, um, and she looks terrible.

Ellen (01:06:56):
Yeah, she looks awful.

Bex (01:06:57):
She could, she could be from a, like, a costume from a horror movie,
in which case kudos to her for, youknow, going to the extra length,
but it doesn't look like a costume.

Ellen (01:07:09):
Yeah, her wrists are all, like, cut up, like she's got chains around them.

Bex (01:07:14):
Yeah, she's got a handcuff bracelet on one wrist.
The other wrist is, you cansee the ligature marks from
where the, another bracelet hasbeen rubbing and bruising her.
She's got blood.
Um, she's wearing this really thinlooking sleeveless cotton dress, which
I don't know what the temperaturegets to in LA at night in October.

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Um, but I still think thatthat's inappropriate clothing
to be out in public in.
Um.
And as the guy is racking his braintrying to guess what her costume
is, um, she just keels over.

Ellen (01:07:52):
Yeah, she collapses into his arms, basically.

Bex (01:07:55):
Yeah.

Ellen (01:07:56):
Doesn't look well at all.
She's very pale.
So he calls out forsomeone to call 9-1-1, so.
But we don't get to hear that one.

Bex (01:08:05):
No, because Maddie's shifts over.
But she's around long enough for Joshto give one more dig at her costume.
Because she's taken her headbandoff, um, and Josh bounces over and
says, Oh, I barely recognized youwithout those glasses, Clark Kent.
And Maddie just says, shouldn't yoube off walking a plank somewhere?

Ellen (01:08:25):
Yeah, she says he's gonna go to hit three parties before midnight.
And Josh is like, yeah,you bet I am, girl.

Bex (01:08:34):
That sounds exhausting.

Alice (01:08:36):
Yeah, no thanks.

Ellen (01:08:39):
Yeah.

Bex (01:08:39):
Uh, but the reason that Josh had bounced over there was not to brag about
his stamina or make fun of Maddie'scostume, but to tell her that Sue was
looking for her, um, that she was talkingto someone in the conference room.
So Maddie heads towards theconference room, and she doesn't
find Sue, but she finds Tara.

Ellen (01:09:01):
Uh oh.

Bex (01:09:02):
Who, in reality, would not be there because Like, I don't know that
if someone, if you believe someone isstalking you that you would, you know,
go to their workplace where you havea possibility of running into them in
order to lodge a complaint against them.
But for the drama

Alice (01:09:19):
Not only that, but like, what clearance did she get to go to

Bex (01:09:22):
Yeah, she's on the dispatch floor.
Like, I, I doubt that Chim wouldhave clearance to be there and
yet they let a civilian walk in.
But for the drama,

Alice (01:09:34):
For the drama,

Bex (01:09:34):
Tara is there to lodge a complaint against the 9-1-1 dispatcher, i. e.
Maddie, who has been stalking her.
And she's got a sheaf of papers inher hand, slaps it down in front of
Maddie, and it's articles about Maddie,including her photo, which clearly
identifies her as a 9-1-1 dispatcher.
So apparently, Chim's performancewhen they ran into Tara

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and Vincent the other night
I'm going to say Vincent.
Vincent picked up on that something waswrong, and he's put a seed of doubt in
Tara's mind that not all is right withMaddie, and the two of them have worked
out together, or Vincent has workedout, or he's pushed Tara to find out

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that Maddie is not who she says she is.

Ellen (01:10:27):
She probably remembered that Maddie was like snooping about in
their bedroom and stuff then too.

Bex (01:10:33):
Yes.
Yes.

Ellen (01:10:35):
And she, Maddie does try and explain herself.
She's, she's like, "I, Iwanted to be your friend.
I've been trying to help you, um,because you're trapped in a marriage
with an abusive man." Tara'slike, "I don't need help." She's,
you know, very sure about that.

Bex (01:10:54):
Maddie counters with, "You called 9-1-1 five times."
Tara is adamant that sheis not one of those women.
There's obviously a picture in Tara'smind of what an abused wife looks like.
And that's not her.
But Maddie's got an answer for that too.

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She's like, "Yeah, I used to tell myselfthat too. I didn't want to admit what
was happening because I felt ashamed."

Ellen (01:11:22):
Yeah, she's like, she's like, "Just tell me the truth and I'll, I
swear I'll leave you alone." Tara'slike, "There's nothing to tell.
Stay away from me."
Um, Maddie's still fighting aboutit, about it, but Tara walks
away and Sue is like behind herand she's dressed all in black.
She's like got this witchhat on and everything.

(01:11:43):
She looks amazing.
But she says, "Maddie, we need totalk." And she's extremely serious.

Bex (01:11:50):
Yes.
But before we can see what Sue hasto talk about, we're gonna go back
to the hospital and the trick ortreating girl, who has been admitted
to the hospital and the nurse isfilling Athena in on her injuries.

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She is apparently severely malnourished,but they can't tell any more than
that because she's still unconscious.
There's cuts on her arms that appearto be from broken glass, there's
significant bruising on her wrists andankles, most likely from shackles, uh,
but there are no bruises or lacerationson her feet, which tends to, which
they indicate, which they believeindicates that she didn't walk very far.

(01:12:34):
She apologizes for not beinghelpful, but Athena says, no,
you've given me a place to start.
The, I guess the idea being if she,if her feet weren't all torn up,
she can't have walked that far from.
Where they found her.
So they're back, theygo back to that street.

Ellen (01:12:51):
Yeah, and the sort of other people in her group, they're trying
to, they're gonna go and knock on doorsand talk to everyone to see if they
can work out where she's come from.
And then one of the officersis like, what, asks them if
they've seen anything unusual.
Like, it's Halloween,everything's unusual.

Bex (01:13:10):
It's Officer Williams!
I mean, some other officer.
It's Officer Williams.
We've seen him before.

Ellen (01:13:16):
Yeah, we have.
I don't remember anyone's name.
I'm Bobby in this case.
I know no one's name.

Bex (01:13:23):
I like to find out the names of the people that we see regularly.
I still have not found redheaded policewoman's name,
but she's next on my list.
But I've made a note of Officer Williams.
But Athena sort of looks aroundat the street, which is all decked
out for Halloween, big lights andinflatable decorations, and says that

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maybe the idea is not to be seen.
So it's not look for anything unusual,look for anything that's not unusual.
Let's find out which of the housesisn't feeling the holiday spirit.
So, apparently, not decorating yourhouse for Halloween is now suspicious.

Ellen (01:14:06):
It's, it just happens to be the right call.

Alice (01:14:08):
Like, the whole of Australia.

Ellen (01:14:10):
But.

Bex (01:14:10):
Everyone, that would not, that would not float in Australia because, you know,
it's, obviously in this street, it's justthat one house that has not decorated.
In Australia, it would be thatone house that has decorated
and everyone else looks normal.

Ellen (01:14:24):
Yeah.
She does find one housethat is completely dark.

Bex (01:14:29):
Yeah,

Ellen (01:14:29):
like it looks like no one's home.

Bex (01:14:31):
Yeah, because it's not only are there no decorations at the front, but there
are no lights on in the house at all.

Ellen (01:14:36):
And, and when she knocks on the door, there's no answer, but
she does go around the back of thehouse and goes up to the back door
and it has a hole smashed in it.
Um, so

Bex (01:14:50):
that gives her probable cause to enter the house.

Ellen (01:14:54):
Yeah, so she does sneak around the house.
It's a bit of a mess.
Like, it's a big mess.

Alice (01:15:00):
Yeah, it's disgusting.

Ellen (01:15:02):
And there's stuff everywhere.
But she hears a noise and goesdown into the basement and kind of
screws up her nose at a bad smell.
And, she finds kids downthere that are chained up.

Bex (01:15:17):
Yep, the basement, there's no light on down there and the kids in fact, uh,
look like they haven't seen light for awhile because they are extremely sensitive
just to the light of Athena's flashlight.
But there are beds down there andthere are kids in shackles and
chains being chained to the bed.

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We go to commercial, when we come back,they've called for reinforcements in the
form of the 118 and they've got all thekids out of the basement and Chim and Hen
are checking them out and Chim comes toBobby and Athena and reports that they're,
all the kids are in various stages ofdehydration, malnutrition, infections

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and diseases that we probably inventedthe cure for hundreds of years ago.
And, uh, Eddie has beendoing a sweep of the house.
I don't know why Eddie was doing a sweepof the house, I would have thought LAPD
would have been doing that, but he comesback and reports that there is no gas,
there is no running water, um, all hefound in the house was canned food,

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bibles, and textbooks from the 1950s.

Alice (01:16:22):
Um, so Hen managed to get one of the kids to talk and
the kids weren't abducted, theylive there and they're siblings.
Their parents did it to them.

Bex (01:16:34):
Yeah, so this is another one of those, um, ripped from the headline cases.

Ellen (01:16:39):
Oh, that's so sad.
Do you want to talk about it now, orwill we just finish the scene first?

Bex (01:16:45):
There's not much left in this scene, so I guess we'll finish this scene up,
and then we can talk about the case.
So an Oldsmobile comes screechingup, dodges past all of the emergency
vehicles, and pulls into the driveway.
Um, there's two, there's two,the parents, I guess, of the kids
come out and they're frantic.
They've been out looking for Bethany, whois the girl in the hospital, and demands

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to know what the police and the paramedicsare doing with their other children.

Ellen (01:17:15):
Yeah, they said they've been looking for her, they've been
looking for Bethany for hours.
She's lost and alone, and Bobbysays, "Alone, just like that you
left the rest of your children?"
And the dad says, "They were secure.They were safe." It's like, oh no.

Bex (01:17:30):
I mean, yes, but no.

Ellen (01:17:33):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Your daughter is in the hospital.
And then Athena does say, "We'retaking the others there, um, until
the child, the family servicespeople get here and you two are going
to jail. Read 'em their rights."
It's like, well, Are they going to jail?

(01:17:55):
Probably.
But I'm not sure if you're supposed tosay that before you arrest somebody?
But anyway.

Bex (01:18:01):
This is Athena.

Ellen (01:18:02):
It sounded, it sounded good for the drama.

Bex (01:18:05):
Yes.
It's fine.

Alice (01:18:06):
For the drama.

Bex (01:18:07):
Uh, I mean, the parents in real life who did this to their
children, yeah, they went to jail.

Ellen (01:18:15):
As they deserve.

Bex (01:18:16):
I think they're still in jail.

Alice (01:18:19):
They are indeed.

Bex (01:18:20):
They were sentenced to life imprisonment in 2019.
And they were, according to theWikipedia, there was a possibility
of parole after 25 years.
So, yeah, they're notgetting out anytime soon.
Yeah.
So this is the Turpin case in California.

Ellen (01:18:38):
And how many children did they have locked up down there?

Bex (01:18:42):
Thirteen.

Ellen (01:18:43):
Thirteen children?

Bex (01:18:44):
Yep, the youngest was two, the eldest was twenty nine.

Ellen (01:18:49):
Oh, wow.

Bex (01:18:50):
And the, um, Bethany, the child that Bethany is based on was seventeen year
old Jordan, who managed to break out and,um, raise the alarm with the neighbours.

Ellen (01:19:04):
Oh, how awful.

Bex (01:19:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Of course, they're Evangelical Christians.

Ellen (01:19:14):
Right.
And they were just keepingthem there to keep them safe?
Or was there something worse at play?
I almost don't want to ask about it.

Bex (01:19:26):
I don't know that there was
I haven't really looked intoit beyond what Wikipedia case.
It's a horrible case, but I believe thatit was just horrible cases of neglect.
I don't think that there were anyother, I don't think the children

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were abused in any other way.
Okay.
But, oh no, but they were beaten as well.
There we go.

Ellen (01:19:54):
Okay.
But to be locked up for 29years or whatever is just awful.

Bex (01:20:06):
And what was worse was that the, like, the kids got out.
So Jordan raised the alarm, policecame, they got the kids out.
They put the, the youngerones into a foster home.
And then the foster families abused them.

Ellen (01:20:24):
Oh, God.

Bex (01:20:25):
So they got taken from one horrible situation and put into
another horrible situation.
Um, But the older ones who didn'thave to go into the system,
they didn't end up much better.
Um, Jordan did an interviewwhere she was saying that, so

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she was 17 when she was found.
So the older ones were released,but they had never been to school.
They had very limited education, theyhad no knowledge of the outside world,
no life skills, um, no place to stay, andthey were just let out into the world.

(01:21:11):
There was money that got raisedfor them by the general public
that they were not given access to.

Ellen (01:21:18):
Okay, so they just got screwed in every way.

Bex (01:21:21):
Yeah.

Ellen (01:21:23):
Oh, how awful.

Alice (01:21:25):
Yeah, these poor kids.

Bex (01:21:27):
So hopefully the, um, the kids in the, in the, in the 9-1-1 episode
have a happier ending than these kids.
Cause this is,
and it's still kind of ongoing.
So the Wikipedia says that they werein court in September of last year,
suing the former foster families.

Alice (01:21:44):
Nice.
Yeah.
Like this is recent.
This isn't even like agesago where the system wasn't.
set up to support this?

Ellen (01:21:54):
Well it can't have been, like, it couldn't have been too long
before this episode was written.
Like, did you say they werediscovered in 2017 or something?

Bex (01:22:05):
January 2018, Jordan got out.

Ellen (01:22:08):
Yeah, and this was, well, October 2019.
So yeah, very recent.

Bex (01:22:14):
So they, they got, their court, the court case with the
parents was February of 2019.
So this would have been very, verymuch present in the, in the news,
I would think, when the writerswere working on this season.

Ellen (01:22:31):
Uh, shall we go back to Dispatch and see what

Bex (01:22:34):
Let's go see what Sue has to say.

Ellen (01:22:35):
The writing, the writing is on the wall for Maddie.
Hmm.
Uh, so, the five calls that Tara, um,called the first four times she called,
she said that it was a wrong number.
And the fifth one that Maddieanswered, it was a little more unclear.

(01:22:56):
And that was when Maddie thought thatshe, she knew that something was up.

Bex (01:23:00):
She tries to, to jump in because she, she kind of thinks that
Sue is on her side at this point.
She's like, yeah, I knew that there wassomething wrong with that fifth call.
And Sue's just like, "I'mjust going to stop you there.
This conversation is not going thedirection you think it's going.
This is not me supporting you,this is me telling you that as
far as I can prove, um, Dispatchreceived several calls from Tara.

(01:23:25):
You took one of them and thenyou started stalking her."
So she's willing to call thata coincidence, but there aren't
going to be any more coincidences.
And she pretty much ordersMaddie into therapy.
She says she has to get a psychologicalassessment, which I think is a
regular thing for dispatchers,which is probably a good thing.

(01:23:47):
The amount of trauma that theymust go through on a daily basis.
It's a good idea to continually check inon them and make sure they're doing okay.
Maddie's wasn't due for anotherassessment until next year.
That's getting moved up becauseshe's clearly not doing okay.
Um, And then she orders her to gosee the, the department therapist.

(01:24:09):
And that she's not allowedback on dispatch floor until
she's passed her psychologicalassessment, and seen her therapist.

Ellen (01:24:18):
Okay, so back in the station house, uh, Hen is watching a news report about
the children that they helped to rescue.
And this is like the least transparent,like, segue into, like, telling Bobby
off that I have seen so far on the show.

Bex (01:24:35):
And I do, I do love that Bobby calls it out.
Just like, you know.

Alice (01:24:40):
And Hen doesn't, Hen's like, yeah, it's really late and I'm very tired.
Yeah.

Ellen (01:24:47):
Cause yeah, she says that they, they, that Karen and her make jokes about
locking Denny up for his protection.
But.
If "protecting him like that, itwouldn't be for him, it'd be for us.
So we'd be robbing him to giveourselves peace of mind." And then
she just looks at Bobby and he'slike, "That's not very subtle."

(01:25:09):
Because, yeah, she's talking about Buck.

Bex (01:25:11):
Yeah, they're locking Buck up not for Buck's own protection,
but for Bobby's peace of mind.

Alice (01:25:19):
Yeah.

Bex (01:25:20):
I do like this bit.
Bobby asks if she thinks thathe's being too hard on Buck.
And, Hen says, "I think Buckmakes everything too hard on Buck.
The boy has two settings, zeroand shut up before I smack you."

Alice (01:25:37):
I relate to Buck so much.
And Bobby says that, He, he cansee that Buck's trying, it just
still seems like he doesn't get it.
Like this is all a game to him.
And Hen then answers the questionthat we had last episode.

Bex (01:25:56):
I guess so?

Ellen (01:25:57):
Um, because But they don't explicitly confirm it, but it does sound
like he took the job instead of the money.

Bex (01:26:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's the implication.

Alice (01:26:07):
Hen says the city offered him a huge settlement.
He could be jumping out of planes orswimming somewhere with sharks if he
were looking for a game, but he madehis choice and he chose this job.

Bex (01:26:18):
Okay, I'm going to take that as confirmation that
he didn't take the money.

Alice (01:26:22):
Yeah, like I really doubt that they would have
given him the money and the job.

Bex (01:26:28):
Yeah.
There might have been a small settlement.
very much.
But it wouldn't have been the millionsof dollars that was the initial offer.

Alice (01:26:36):
I'm sure he got a small settlement when he, like, originally
got crushed by the fire truck.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Because obviously he was injured.

Bex (01:26:42):
But I'm still thinking that there would have been a small settlement
here, if only because Chase would havewanted his cut, and he can't really
get a cut of Buck getting his job back.
So I'm sure he would have pushed for,you know, a little bit of money as well,
just so that he would have somethingto take back to his partners and go,
Look, I got this out of this case.

(01:27:03):
But it's not the millions that I thinksome people in fandom have written
Buck to suddenly have come into.

Ellen (01:27:11):
Yeah.
Unless you want to write a rich Buckstory, in which case go right ahead.

Bex (01:27:16):
Yeah.
I mean, if that's yourheadcanon, go for it.
I'm going to stick with canonin which apparently he's
not rich off the department.

Ellen (01:27:25):
It seems that way.

Bex (01:27:26):
Yeah.
But the topic of that conversationis downstairs, packing up.
They're the snack table and Eddieis also downstairs and sees Buck
and it's not quite turn and walkin the opposite direction, but it's
almost turn and walk in the oppositedirection as soon as he sees Buck.
And

Ellen (01:27:49):
I love this scene.

Bex (01:27:51):
It's so good.
Buck very pointedly.
calls him, calls Eddie out and says, um,"Are you just going to keep on ghosting
me? Cause Halloween is over. Just, youknow," and then the most insane framing
of a shot I've ever seen on this show.
Um,

Ellen (01:28:09):
It's perfect.

Alice (01:28:10):
Speaking of not being subtle.

Bex (01:28:12):
So if you have not seen this episode for a while, um, and you're
unfamiliar with this particular shot,Most of this scene plays out with Buck
on the left hand side of the screen.
Eddie on the right hand side of thescreen with the camera, I don't know what
it's behind, maybe it's a wing mirrorfrom one of the rigs, but there is a

(01:28:35):
physical barrier between Eddie and Buck,physically separating them on the screen.

Ellen (01:28:42):
Yes.

Bex (01:28:43):
And even the background, there is a differentiation.

Ellen (01:28:45):
Thank you, Director Tina Mabry.

Bex (01:28:48):
So Buck has, Buck has got very cool background.
Eddie has got a very, warm, hot sort ofbackground because he's by the roller door
with the, the night lighting behind him.
Buck's on the side with the table, tennistable, but they are physically separated

Ellen (01:29:05):
and it's amazing.
And then Eddie almostturns and walks away.
But Buck's like, "I just want you totalk to me, even if it's to say that
you're still mad." And then they, so theyactually have a conversation finally.

Bex (01:29:23):
And what's great is as they have this conversation, The barrier, as
they start to open up to each otheragain, and then the barrier disappears.
Like, not subtle at all.

Ellen (01:29:34):
No, it's very overt.
This made me laugh so hard.
He goes, when, "I'm not mad, whenyou decided to sue the department and
make Cap the bad guy, did you everstop for a moment to think what that
could do to us?" And I'm like, to us?

(01:29:55):
I mean

Bex (01:29:55):
He met the 118, but did he really?
But yes.

Ellen (01:30:00):
Sorry.
But anyway, he he missed, Buck saidhe missed being part of the team.
And he never meant for anyone to get hurt.
But, Eddie says, "Your actions,your choices, they impact the
rest of us, and that's what itmeans to be part of a team."

Bex (01:30:19):
What's really interesting is Eddie sort of starts out by going,
Yeah, there's a lot of I statementsthere, and Buck's next sent next line
of dialogue is all I statements again.
Yeah.
He's like, but he I think he starts toexpress himself in a way that Eddie can
relate to, because he says, "I was mad.
I was mad at Bobby fornot letting me back.

(01:30:39):
I was mad at you guysfor moving on without me.
I was mad that there was nothingthat I could do about it, and I just
wanted to..." and Eddie's like, Oh,shit, this is sounding familiar.
Right.
"You just wanted to punch somebody?"And Eddie's like, Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I get that.

Ellen (01:30:55):
Buck's like, "I'm really, I'm sorry.
Whatever it takes for you to forgiveme." And Eddie says, "I forgive you."

Bex (01:31:02):
Yeah, Eddie forgives him just like that,

Ellen (01:31:05):
which is just like what it means to be part of the team.

Alice (01:31:08):
He just wants Buck to shut up at this point.

Bex (01:31:12):
Just don't do it again.
Don't sue us again.

Ellen (01:31:16):
Yeah, they have like a, a little bit of a hug.
back slapping kind of a, hey, kind of hug.
It

Bex (01:31:26):
starts off as one of those like weird dude bro hugs, you know, where
they like, you grab hands and they pulleach other in and they kind of do the
one back slap and then they step back.
Except it's,

Ellen (01:31:37):
except Buck just grabs him.

Bex (01:31:39):
Yeah.
It's one hand and then Buckjust wraps him in a hug.
And then

Ellen (01:31:43):
He's got a huge smile on his face.

Bex (01:31:45):
Eddie kind of just melts into the hug for a second, and then it's so very
much, like, literally pushes Buck awayand runs in case anybody saw them hugging.

Alice (01:31:55):
I re watched this.
I'm pretty sure the implicationis supposed to be that
because Eddie's injured.

Ellen (01:32:03):
Oh.

Alice (01:32:04):
Because Eddie sort of winces.

Ellen (01:32:05):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I thought that too, actually.
Yes, you're right.
I remember.

Alice (01:32:08):
Um.
See, I watched this episodelike a million times.
Um, but yeah, he winces, andBuck kind of looks at him funny,
and then Bobby interrupts.

Bex (01:32:16):
See, I thought it was that we've had the everybody's following
Bobby's lead, and at this point Eddiestill thinks Bobby is pissed at Buck,
so he doesn't want anybody seeinghim fraternizing with the enemy.
Right.
Right.
So it's like, I'm going to givehim a quick hug and then I'm going
to disappear before Bobby sees us.
But, you know, I think Bobby has a radarand as soon as these two get within a

(01:32:39):
certain distance of each other, he'simmediately summoned to that scene.
So he, he, he saw that hug.
100 percent he saw that hug.
But that's interesting.
I did not pick up on that.

Alice (01:32:49):
Like, cause yeah, Eddie sort of flinches and Buck looks at
him funny and then he just bolts.
But it very much looks like he's boltingbecause Bobby, like, catches them hugging.
Um, it's definitely, like, I'm prettysure the implication is supposed
to be because Eddie's injured.

Bex (01:33:11):
Interesting.
But yes, Bobby is immediatelyon the scene of the crime, and

Ellen (01:33:18):
As usual.

Bex (01:33:20):
Yeah.
And he tells Buck that he can go home.

Alice (01:33:26):
Yep.
Like, Buck, because Bobby startsit with, listen, Buck, I've been
thinking, and Buck's like, ohmy god, yes, like, here we go.
I can go out.
And Bobby just sends him home.
Yep.

Bex (01:33:36):
And it's, it's such, it's such classic misinformation because Bobby
is trying to do something nice.
He's recognized that Buckhas been working hard.
Um, he recognized that he's been hard onBuck and he wants to do something nice for
him to let him go home because dependingon what shift the 118 are doing at the

(01:33:58):
moment, Buck either has another 12 hoursor potentially another 36 hours to go.
So this is like a super nicegesture to let Buck go home.
Um, whereas Buck just sees it asonce again, he's being dismissed
and he's being kicked out.

Alice (01:34:14):
Yeah, like I think it's definitely like, Bobby's not quite ready for Buck to
jump back in the rest of tonight, but heis framing it as like, Cause he goes, I
don't want to overtax you first week back.

Bex (01:34:33):
And I'm pretty sure that it's, he's going to let him
go home and get some rest.
And then when he comes back forthe next shift, he'll be back in
the rig with the rest of the team.
But he hasn't communicatedthat to Buck at all.

Ellen (01:34:46):
He doesn't, he doesn't say that, yeah.

Bex (01:34:47):
He's just like, I know you've only been at work for 12 hours, but, um, yeah.

Alice (01:34:51):
Get the fuck out of here.

Bex (01:34:51):
Go home, I'm done with you.

Alice (01:34:54):
Yeah, I do, I do love that, um, Bobby's like, I don't want
to overtax you first week back.
And Buck's just like, "I stood behinda table and got bullied by children."

Bex (01:35:02):
Yeah.
Bobby's like, "So, you earned a fewhours off. Good work today." Yeah.
Doesn't really quite understand him.

Ellen (01:35:11):
No, he's, he's a bit upset but he leaves, um, stops
to get petrol on the way home.

Bex (01:35:17):
Funnily enough, it is an, it is a, it's a branded petrol station this time.
It's not the gas station.
I think it's actually a Shell station.
And I'm wondering if it'sbecause nothing actually bad
happens at the petrol station?

Ellen (01:35:32):
So they're allowed to put a name on it?

Bex (01:35:34):
So they're allowed to put a name on it?
Yeah.

Ellen (01:35:36):
He's heading in.
So, I don't know if it's all, like,gas stations over there where you have
to pay first, and then pump the gas.

Bex (01:35:45):
But he doesn't even pull up to the pump.
He pulls up in the, the, theparking spots in front of the store.
Okay.
So maybe he's just going in

Ellen (01:35:54):
Grabbing a slushie or something.
Yeah.

Alice (01:35:56):
Yeah.
Well, he was expecting to get dinnerwith the rest of the team, and now he's
just like, well, I guess I'll just get

Ellen (01:36:03):
I'll pick up some noodles on the way home.

Alice (01:36:06):
Yeah.

Bex (01:36:06):
Zap a burrito or something.
But, um The, the lady with the guy inher windshield, is at, coincidentally
enough, is at the same petrol station.

Ellen (01:36:16):
Yeah, so this dude's been stuck in the windscreen
for the entire day and night.

Bex (01:36:22):
Yes.

Ellen (01:36:23):
And, um, he is, like, Buck sees him, and he sees, he thinks
it's a Halloween decoration atfirst, but then he sees the guy move.
So the guy's still alive, andhe goes to run after the car.

Alice (01:36:38):
Yeah, the guy's straight up kicking the... like he's kicking
the bonnet of the car at this point.
Like the poor guy.
Yeah,

Bex (01:36:44):
So Buck tries to get the woman to stop.
She drives off.
He chases after her, um, andthen manages to twist his limbs
back in the opposite direction.

Alice (01:36:57):
He does the Buck run that I love so much where all four limbs
go in like different directions,but somehow propel him forward.
And then reverse.

Bex (01:37:04):
He runs back to his jeep and just chases after her.
I'm saying jeep.
I don't even know if it is an actual jeep.
It's some kind of four wheeldrive sports utility vehicle.

Alice (01:37:13):
I'm pretty sure it's a jeep.

Ellen (01:37:14):
It does look like a jeep.

Bex (01:37:16):
Okay.

Alice (01:37:16):
Yeah, it's, it's a like specific part of his
character is that he has a jeep.

Bex (01:37:20):
I know somebody on, somebody on some social media platform has
actually tracked all of the differentvehicles that Buck's driven.
It's, it's, it's a big, it'sa big trucky kind of thing.
And as he's driving, he calls 9-1-1.
to report that there is a man ina windshield, in the windshield

(01:37:43):
of a gold four door sedan.
And the dispatcher's like, "Wait,we heard about that yesterday.
That's, that's a thing?
That's actually real?" Buck's like,"Yeah, it's, it's definitely real.
And I think he's still alive."

Alice (01:37:56):
Yeah.
So if, if they had the reportabout it yesterday, that means this
guy's been in the car for two days.

Ellen (01:38:05):
I'm shocked that the guy's still alive, honestly.

Alice (01:38:09):
I mean, it's a TV show, but yeah, like, it, it, yeah.

Ellen (01:38:13):
Or at least hasn't come to enough to, like, tell the lady
off for not, like, I don't know.
It's like, can you help me?

Alice (01:38:22):
Like, bitch pull over,

Ellen (01:38:23):
what are you doing here?
I'm stuck in this, like, anyway.
Yeah, he pulls, Buck pulls over, likehe yells at the lady to pull over out
the window, and then he kind of pulls infront of her, so she's forced to stop.

Bex (01:38:36):
It's the most controlled, gentle, uh, cutting off car scene that I've ever seen.
Which is probably because they've gotthe actors actually driving the cars, or
something's going on, they didn't wantto risk them by actually having all of
it slam on the brakes in front of herand have her slam on the brakes as well.

Alice (01:38:58):
But just the fact that, so the driver, who's still got this massive
like lump on her head, gets out and juststarts berating him for his driving.
Yep.
"You're horrible driver, you're rightin my way." Um, and Buck's like,
"Ma'am, I'm a firefighter." And shegoes, "well, your costume sucks."

Bex (01:39:18):
Yeah, because he's in civvies, like he's off duty at this point.

Alice (01:39:21):
But yeah, he grabs a torch because clearly he's just
got one of those in his car.
Um, cause it looks like theproper, like, pupil torch as well.

Bex (01:39:28):
Yeah, it looks, it does look like that.

Alice (01:39:30):
But her pupils don't respond.

Bex (01:39:33):
But see, I don't know, maybe I've been trained by Grey's Anatomy too much.
I was expecting if she had a massivebrain bleed that one of the pupils
should have been blown wide open.
Um, yeah.
But they seem to reactnormally to the lights?

Alice (01:39:49):
They, because I checked, they just stay the same.

Bex (01:39:52):
I was waiting for you to watch this so you could tell
me if I was wrong or not.

Alice (01:39:58):
Um, yeah, so generally if you shine a bright light into someone's eyes,

Bex (01:40:01):
they should narrow.

Alice (01:40:03):
The pupil will, like, pin prick, like, um, but they just stay the same.
So there's clearly something.

Bex (01:40:10):
Something's wrong, but it's not as Something's wrong, yeah.
Grey's Anatomy did me dirty there.

Alice (01:40:15):
And he asks if she hurt herself, and she's like, what do you mean?
But then windshield guy Butthe poor windshield guys, yeah.

Bex (01:40:24):
He wakes up at this point, and Buck's like, okay, this woman, there's something
going on with her, but he is the big, thewindshield guy is the bigger priority.
So he tells

Alice (01:40:34):
Yeah, like he's in a windshield.
Yeah!

Bex (01:40:35):
He tells the driver just to stay where she is, and he gets into the car.
And I'm not entirely sure what happenshere, but it's like he reaches for the
guy or puts his hand on the windshield,but then he cuts himself on the windshield
before he tells the windshield guy.

(01:40:56):
These guys never get names, by the way.
I know we're calling it like DriverLady and Windshield Guy for this
entire episode, that's becausewe never get names for them.

Alice (01:41:05):
Yeah, they're just windshield guy and driver lady.

Bex (01:41:07):
So he tells the windshield guy that he is LAFD and that help is on the way.
Um, and the 121 are dispatched to thisscene and we see them, that they've
got windshield guy, they have managedto extract him from the windshield.
They've got him on a stretcher.
They're taking him off to hospital.

(01:41:27):
Uh, but one of the paramedicslooks at Buck and says, "Do
you want us to check you out?"

Ellen (01:41:33):
Yeah, and Buck's like, "No, I'm alright."

Bex (01:41:37):
Yeah, but I love that you, when we were talking about this, Ellen
left, Ellen sent me a message going,sorry, did Buck like blue screen
from the cute paramedic asking, Um.

Ellen (01:41:48):
He's like, can I check you out?
And he's just like, what?
Sure.

Bex (01:41:55):
That clown makeup's getting pretty thick there, Ellen.

Ellen (01:41:58):
Like, I think I was clowning, but I think the idea was that he was like,
"Oh no, I'm okay. Like, you don't..."

Bex (01:42:03):
Like he's in shock.

Ellen (01:42:04):
"Why do you want to check me out?"

Bex (01:42:06):
Yes.

Ellen (01:42:07):
But it turns out he is, his hand is all covered in blood because he got cut.
And then he goes, "Oh yeah,I'm on blood thinners."

Bex (01:42:16):
Yeah, because he's, the paramedic has seen that Buck's arm is just
drenched in blood and Buck's like, "Ohno, no, it's not my blood." Um, but
he starts to like roll up his sleeveas if to prove to the paramedic that
it's not his, but then we see thatthere is a massive cut on his forearm.
His entire forearm and handis just drenched in blood.

Alice (01:42:35):
So the thing is, it's not actually a massive cut,
which is why Buck didn't notice.

Bex (01:42:41):
It looked pretty.
It was like pretty long.

Alice (01:42:44):
Like, it was long, but like,

Bex (01:42:45):
it wasn't gaping, isn't, yeah,

Alice (01:42:48):
yeah, like, it wasn't like a massive wound.
It's not like he got downto the arteries or anything.

Bex (01:42:53):
I mean, it must have been pretty, like, wide and deep enough because
they had to glue it back together.

Alice (01:42:57):
Yeah, this is another one of those things that, that is what
happens when they're on blood thinners.
Like, they've done a reallygood job with the makeup.
It just coats like water.

Bex (01:43:06):
So, which is when Buck does the correct thing and goes, uh, "Oh, um, yeah,
I'm on blood thinners. Maybe you shouldtake me to the hospital, get checked out."
And at which point I'm screamingat the TV like, This is what Bobby
has been talking about for thelast couple of episodes, you idiot.
This is why you are notallowed out on calls.

(01:43:27):
Because you didn't do anythingdangerous, and yet it looks like
you're about to faint from blood loss.

Ellen (01:43:34):
Alright, so the next day, um, Chim's about to leave the station
house, but Maddie shows up at thestation, and Chim's like, "oh, I was
just going to call you." And he thoughthe was a little harsh the other night.
So, maybe he's not saying thathe has been trying to call her,
but she's not been answering.

(01:43:55):
Maybe.
But, Maddie's like, "Yeah, you were right.So, She found out who I am and she came to
the call centre, and I almost lost my job,and maybe I'm losing my mind." Chim's,

Bex (01:44:09):
he's definitely, um, backpedalling and, like, retracting
all of his former statements abouther, uh, being anything like Doug.
Um, he's, when she says that,She's losing her mind, Doug.
Um, Chim reassures her thatshe's not losing her mind.
She's just still healing, butit doesn't happen overnight.
But Maddie has had some time to thinkabout it and she asks Chim, said, "what

(01:44:35):
Doug did to me, what he did to you. Hewas a monster." Everyone take a drink.
And when I think about what she was doingto Tara, she wonders what that makes her.
Does that make her a monster?
Um, and Chim says, "No,you're not a monster.
You're someone who cares.
I mean, you probably care too much andyou're definitely caring in the wrong way.

(01:44:56):
But you were just, you saw someone introuble and you tried to help her."

Ellen (01:45:01):
Yeah.
And she thought she could get her,she could convince her to get herself
out before she'd have to save herself.
The one that Maddie did.

Bex (01:45:12):
I think Maddie is very much thinking that she doesn't want
Tara to go through what she did.
And she's thinking she doesn'twant Tara to be in a position where
Vincent kidnaps her and stabs herand kills everybody that she loves.
And Tara then has to, um, killVincent in a horrendous kill
or be killed sort of situation.

(01:45:33):
Um, whereas Chim trying to puta more positive spin on it.
And saying that,

Alice (01:45:39):
12 hour road trip.

Bex (01:45:40):
Um, Chim's putting a more positive spin on it and going, "You didn't want
Tara to have to try and save herself."Um, Maddie admits like, uh, says again,
"Maybe I'm a little bit crazy," and Chimchanges the subject and goes, "No, you
want to hear something really crazy?
I see crows."
And Maddie's laughing and she's like,"Oh, like the one on the ambulance?" And

(01:46:02):
Chim's like, "No, no, no, I'm serious.
I keep seeing these birds." AndMaddie's like, "No, there's one on
the ambulance right now." And Chim isthrilled that somebody else is seeing.
So either Maddie isjoining in his delusion.
Or, um, there is actuallya crow on the ambulance.

Ellen (01:46:18):
Are you saying the evil spirit revealed itself to Maddie as well?

Bex (01:46:22):
Yes.
But it's maybe not such an evil spiritbecause it has brought Chim a gift.
It has something in its mouth, itdrops it on the ground and then flies
away and Chim goes to pick it up.
And it's the name badge that hedropped back at the Harvest Festival.

Ellen (01:46:41):
Yeah.
I mean, this is, this is This is areal thing that crows do, like, if
you feed them some, well, if you, Ithink if you feed them enough and they
recognize you and they trust you, theywill bring you payment for the feeding.
I think it was, was it Kim Rhodes?
Like, someone recently

Bex (01:47:02):
Kim is obsessed with crows.

Ellen (01:47:04):
She loves crows and she was trying to get in, like, in
with the local murder, basically.

Bex (01:47:10):
Yes.
I don't know if she succeeded beforeshe turned her attention to goats,
but yeah, there was very definite shewas trying, she was trying to get in
with the local, with the local crows.

Ellen (01:47:25):
So they would bring her things.

Bex (01:47:26):
I don't know, so they would bring her things, but she definitely
wanted to, to be friendly.

Ellen (01:47:30):
So they would talk to her and like, be friendly, yeah.

Alice (01:47:34):
Crows are so cool, and they're so smart, but Like, I don't
know if either of you have hearda crow when they learn to talk.

Bex (01:47:42):
Actually, um, they're not crows, but this guy has been showing up on my
TikTok who has some ravens who can talk.

Alice (01:47:51):
It's probably the same sort of voice.

Bex (01:47:52):
It's the deepest, most evil voice I've ever heard.
It's pretty much like, Hello!
And it's like, Jesus Christ, I'm sorry!
One of these ravens, I don't know howit learned it, but it says tickle.
But it's like, "Tickle, tickle".
like the world's most evil Tickle Me Elmo.

Alice (01:48:16):
It's so scary, like, oh my God, it's terrifying.

Ellen (01:48:22):
We were at a, um, a campsite one time out in the middle of nowhere.
I think it was somewhere nearMount Warning or somewhere away
from civilization, but this campground had a, like a cockatoo
in a aviary and it could talk.
but all it said was helloand like a few other things.

(01:48:43):
But in the middle of the night,if you were anywhere outside
of the thing and you hear this,"hello," but yeah, it was weird.

Alice (01:48:54):
Um, yeah, we've got two birds that can both talk.
One of them doesn't talk much.
Like he just says, um, hisname and like, hello, cocky.
But the other one, like, he chats a lot,but he does, like, most of it's nonsense.
Like, he'll say, um, what you're doing,but then he'll be like, ah, like, he's

(01:49:15):
real interested in whatever you're doing.

Ellen (01:49:16):
But he has a conversation with you.

Alice (01:49:19):
Yeah.
So like, you can likefully like chat to him.
He says more to my mum than he does to me.
Um, but I've been feedinghim toast every morning.
And so now when I go over to thecage, he actually like comes up to me.
So I think we're becoming friends.

Ellen (01:49:32):
I used to live with the girl who had an Indian ring neck parrot.

Alice (01:49:36):
Yeah, same sort of bird.

Ellen (01:49:37):
Yeah, and he could talk and he would, he would hop over to you
and go and, because if we wouldbe eating and we'd offer him some
and say, "want some?" So he wouldthen come over and say, "want some?
Want some?"

Alice (01:49:49):
Oh, that's so cute.

Ellen (01:49:52):
It was really cute until he like bit my finger really hard and
now I still have a scar from it.

Alice (01:49:57):
Oh, oh, yeah, you can't.
I was putting a um, because I gethim like seed blocks from work.
Cause again, I've been tryingto win him over, but now he,
isn't so scared of me anymore.
So when I try and open the cage to putthe seed block in, he just like sit,
like stands in the middle and watches me.
And I'm like, can you please move?
Cause I don't want you to bite me.
And I know he just wants the seedblock, but I'm just like, no,

(01:50:19):
I don't want to put my hand in.

Ellen (01:50:20):
Yeah, they're vicious if they actually get you.

Alice (01:50:21):
Yeah.
Like your beak is big.
Whereas the cockatoo, who's actually abigger bird with a bigger beak, I will
literally just pat his head, no problem,and hand him food and don't have an issue.
Cause I know that he trusts me.
Whereas the other one'sstill a bit flighty with me.
So I'm like, Hmm.
Yeah, nah.
Don't trust you.

(01:50:42):
But yeah, he also laughs when he drinks.
It's so weird.
Okay.
So, whenever we sit down to eat dinner, hewill go over and have a drink and laugh.
So we'll be eating dinner andyou just hear, Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
It's like, oh Jesus Christ,he's having a drink again.

Ellen (01:51:00):
Bizarre.

Alice (01:51:01):
Birds are creepy, but I love them so much.
But yeah, literally trying to winhim over with, um, toast at the
moment, and it's working so far.

Bex (01:51:08):
Have you tried a muesli bar?

Alice (01:51:11):
Oh, I should probably get a muesli bar.
I mean, that's pretty muchwhat the seed bells are.

Bex (01:51:16):
Yeah.

Ellen (01:51:17):
Anyway, yes.
Long tangent.
But, um.

Alice (01:51:19):
Yeah, be nice to birds.

Ellen (01:51:20):
Yes.
Chim's a bit frustrated.

Bex (01:51:24):
I love Chim's response.
He's a bit concerned.
But he starts off, he's so, he's thrilled.
He's like, I'll be damned, hebrought me back my name badge.
And then his face just drops.
And he's super serious and like,except now he knows my name.
Because apparently the bird can read.
As well.

Ellen (01:51:43):
Yeah.
Okay, so concerned dad Bobby is going tothe hospital to find out if Buck's okay.

Bex (01:51:50):
But, why?

Ellen (01:51:51):
And he asks that

Bex (01:51:53):
Why is concerned dad Bobby at the hospital looking for Buck?
Because when Bobby walks in and asksfor Buck, Buck's head pops out from the
waiting room and he looks very confused.
So he hasn't called Bobby.

Ellen (01:52:08):
Yeah, how did Bobby find out?

Bex (01:52:09):
So how did Bobby find out?
Did someone

Ellen (01:52:11):
Unless one of the, like the paramedic who treated
Buck earlier might have...
That's

Bex (01:52:15):
the only thing I can think.
It's like, cause when Chim got in hisaccident, the crew that Um, was dispatched
to that scene called Bobby and went, "Hey,we've got one of your guys in a car."
So I'm wondering whether someoneat the 121 recognized Buck when
they started doing the paperwork.
When they picked him up and went,Shit, that's the kid from the
118 that tried to sue everybody.

(01:52:36):
We should probably let his know, lethis captain know what's been going on.
And so that's why, um, yeah.
Bobby is suddenly down at the hospital,because I don't think they admitted Buck.
So the flag in the system that Bobby'sgot on everybody being admitted to
the hospital hasn't been triggered.
Because yes, I 100 percent believethat Bobby has paid somebody off

(01:52:59):
in the hospitals, that if anyof the 118 get admitted for any
reason he is immediately notified.

Ellen (01:53:05):
Mm hmm.

Bex (01:53:06):
That's my headcanon.
So yeah, the only thing I can thinkis that the 121 called him and
went, hey, we've got Buck, we justtook Buckley into the hospital.

Ellen (01:53:15):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Bex (01:53:16):
So he's finished his shift and he's just bolted for the hospital.
Much to Buck's confusion.

Ellen (01:53:21):
Yeah, he's like, "are you okay? They said you were injured."
But he just got some shallow cutsand they sealed the wounds up.
But they thought that he shouldget a checkup, that's why
he's in the emergency room.

Alice (01:53:36):
Yeah, the only reason that he's still there is because he was
giving the police his statement.

Ellen (01:53:40):
Mm hmm.
So Buck explains what actually happenedwith the guy on the windscreen now.
And the lady hit this guy twodays ago, so there you go.
And she must have hit her head prettybad because they found a brain bleed,
which is why she was so confused.
And the guy in the windshield is insurgery and is probably going to be fine.

Bex (01:54:01):
Bobby says that he's going to be fine because Buck jumped in and saved him.
And sort of throws in a slightlyaccusatory, like, "You probably
didn't, it didn't even occur toyou to worry about yourself."
And Buck's like, "Yeah, yeah, I know,I didn't think, I just rushed in like I
always do." He talks about, it's, it'sreally interesting that, um, throughout

(01:54:24):
this episode, people have been sortof questioning what Buck is wearing,
or why he's wearing what he's wearing.
So, like, the kid

Ellen (01:54:34):
Yeah, his costume, saying his costume's bad or whatever.

Bex (01:54:37):
Yeah, there's been a theme about costumes with Buck.
So, you know, he's wearing the costumebut he's not a real firefighter because
he's not going out and fighting fires.
But then, um, when he claims that he'sa firefighter to the driver lady, she's
like, well, your costume sucks becausehe's not actually wearing his uniform.

Ellen (01:54:52):
Yeah.

Bex (01:54:53):
So that's kind of all twisted around in Buck's mind.
And he has put two andtwo together and got 31.
Yeah.
And just tells Bobby that theuniform is his costume, and when
he puts it on, he's brave and he'sstrong and he makes a difference.
But he doesn't know whathe is without that on.

(01:55:14):
And Bobby reminds him that everythingthat he just did, he did it and
he wasn't wearing a uniform.
It's not the costume that's braveand strong and makes a difference.
It's Buck himself.
And Buck starts to get his hopes up.
It's like, "Does this, all of thesenice things that you're saying about
me, does this mean you're ready tolet me back for real?" Bobby says
it doesn't matter if Bobby is ready,Buck is quite clearly ready, and it's

(01:55:38):
time for Bobby to get out of his way.

Alice (01:55:41):
And Bobby turns to go.

Bex (01:55:42):
Yeah, which is like, which made me question, like, why did
he come down to the hospital?
If he's just like, he's comedown, he's seen Buck's fine,
and now he's gonna leave again.

Alice (01:55:52):
Yeah, like, ah, phew, okay, bye.

Bex (01:55:54):
I'm out.

Alice (01:55:55):
But Buck stops him and goes, "Are you hungry? Cause maybe I could buy you
breakfast. It'd be nice to catch up."

Bex (01:56:02):
Which I think, I think that's uh, the last time Bobby was at a hospital with
Buck, didn't he take Buck for breakfast?
So it's like a flipping of theroles in this relationship, so now
Buck's taking Bobby for breakfast.
I could be wrong, but I seemto remember Buck, people taking

(01:56:25):
people for breakfast is a thing,coming out of the emergency room.

Ellen (01:56:29):
It was, um, it wasn't, um, that paramedic guy taking Chim to the hospital.

Bex (01:56:35):
No, I do remember that scene because it was Eli was telling Chim, like, you're
buying breakfast and Chim's like, "Idon't have any money," and Eli's like,
"Yeah, you do." But no, I'm pretty sure,um, please feel free, anybody, to correct
me, but I'm pretty sure The last timethat Bobby and Buck were in the emergency
room, Bobby took him for breakfast.

Alice (01:56:55):
I'm trying to remember the last time they were in the emergency room.

Bex (01:56:57):
Um, it was "Kids Today".
And Buck had the compression leggings onwhen he was walking down the hospital.

Alice (01:57:05):
Oh, after, yeah.

Ellen (01:57:07):
Oh, that wasn't that long ago.

Alice (01:57:09):
No.

Bex (01:57:10):
That was last year.

Alice (01:57:11):
I mean,

Ellen (01:57:12):
Yeah, I guess so, but in terms of the show, it wasn't that long ago.
All right, so tell me about what reallyhappened with this windscreen case.

Bex (01:57:21):
The windscreen case was horrible.
So it

Alice (01:57:24):
Yeah, see, I didn't, after the kids, I didn't look this one up because
I was like, I'm miserable enough.
Jesus.

Bex (01:57:29):
So there really was an incident of a woman hitting a man with her car
and him getting lodged in a windshield.
Unfortunately, the real casedid not turn out so well.
It was in 2001.
A nursing assistant hit ahomeless man with her car.
Um, it, the force of the hitlodged him in her windshield.

(01:57:52):
Um, there's nothing, again, I'm justreading off the Wikipedia, but there is
nothing in that report that indicatesthat she suffered any kind of head injury.
But she did drive home with thegentleman whose name was Gregory
Biggs, still lodged in her windshield.
And she left him in the windshieldin her garage for three days.

(01:58:18):
And it's alleged that she wasvery much aware that he was in the
windshield because she kept comingback to the to the garage to check
on him to see if he was dead yet.

Ellen (01:58:27):
Oh my god.

Alice (01:58:28):
Oh my god.

Bex (01:58:29):
It was alleged that she was, it was, she was driving while intoxicated,
um, and when he died a few days latershe called some friends and they
took the body to a park and burnedit to try and destroy the evidence.

Ellen (01:58:45):
Holy hell.

Alice (01:58:46):
Holy shit.

Bex (01:58:47):
Yeah.

Ellen (01:58:49):
That's horrible.

Bex (01:58:50):
Yeah.

Ellen (01:58:51):
So what?
It wasn't just that she didn'trealize that he was there.
Like, she totally knew he was there.

Bex (01:58:57):
She totally knew he was there.
Yeah, no wonder they changed him.
She totally knew that he was in trouble.
She waited until he died.
And I think it's the, um, it's even worsein this instance because she was a nursing
assistant, so she had medical training.
So even if she didn't want tocall 9-1-1, she perhaps could have
done something to him to help him.

(01:59:18):
But she chose to just wait until he diedand then try to dispose of his body.

Ellen (01:59:24):
Oh my god,

Alice (01:59:25):
that's so twisted.

Ellen (01:59:26):
Really messed up, yeah.

Bex (01:59:27):
Yeah.
So yeah, that's, I think that's verystrongly why they gave the driver in
the episode a, a massive head injury.
Because then you can explain the,everything that happened on the fact
that she was just not thinking correctly.
Because like, she was completely,um, unable to comprehend what was

(01:59:49):
going on because of the brain injury.
rather than have her being callouslygoing home and leaving him in the
windshield or driving around with himin the windshield, knowing that he was
there, knowing that he was dying andchoosing not to do anything about it.

Alice (02:00:02):
Yeah, that would have been dark for

Ellen (02:00:04):
Yeah, I was going to say it also allowed them to have a much
happier ending to this episode aswell, because they left on a, on a
note where everyone was going to live.

Bex (02:00:14):
Yes, well, in the, uh, in the woman's trial it was.
put into evidence that if he had receivedmedical attention, he would have survived.
She is currently in prison and sheis going to be eligible in parole,
for parole in about two years.

Ellen (02:00:31):
Okay, I guess murder's not that serious?

Bex (02:00:34):
Well, this was in 2003, so she would have served 24 years by
the time she's up for parole, of a

Ellen (02:00:43):
Okay, okay, it was much longer ago, yeah.

Bex (02:00:45):
Sixty year sentence, so.
Yeah.

Ellen (02:00:49):
Well, I'm glad, I'm glad they changed it because it's really dark.
Well, overall, I really, I reallyliked the way this episode, like
how it played out in the end.
It was great.

Bex (02:01:01):
Yeah.
It just, like I said, this is my favoriteof the Halloween episodes that 9-1-1 does.
And watching it again, sort of morecritically, I really like that it's
kind of one of those episodes where.
Once again, you would think they couldhave made the theme of the episode

(02:01:22):
be very explicit and very overt andeveryone's a monster, but it's really
quite subtle because it's Halloween,like it's the Halloween episode.
So you've got the Halloween monsters,you've got, but then you've also got
Maddie talking about being a monsterand then you've got the, like the actual

(02:01:43):
monsters being the horrible parents and

Ellen (02:01:47):
Yeah,

Bex (02:01:48):
possibly the driver.
Although I think she may be get a passand she was injured as well And all
the kids the kids were all monsters.

Ellen (02:01:55):
Oh, yeah,

Alice (02:01:56):
except the ones with the terrible parents.

Ellen (02:01:59):
Oh, yeah They just look like monsters when they came to the door.

Bex (02:02:02):
They just look like monsters.
Yes So here endeth the thelawsuit era the lawsuit arc.
We've now got a full resolution of that.
Um,

Ellen (02:02:17):
Okay, I expected it to be longer the way you were talking about
the, the era, you know, like, wow,how long is this going to go for?

Bex (02:02:23):
No, I mean, it, it's probably about the same length of like
Dean Winchester's Widower era.
That was only a couple of episodes aswell, but that had a massive impact.

Ellen (02:02:35):
They don't tend to drag things out.

Alice (02:02:36):
It's very iconic, but it's quite short.

Ellen (02:02:37):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.

Bex (02:02:39):
Um, so I mentioned, I think in "Triggers", um, and I remembered it
the other day and I will link to, Iwill put the link to it, I'll give you
the link, Ellen, so you can put it inthe show notes, and I'll link it in
our social media posts, that there wasa law firm out of California that did
a, what would actually happen in reallift if a LAFD firefighter tried to

(02:03:03):
sue the city under these circumstances.
They did like a hypothetical casestudy, um, which I have not reread
since I first read it, but basicallyit would not go down in real life
the way that it goes down on theshow, but it's a fascinating read.
So if you've got some free timebetween when you finally get to your

(02:03:24):
destination, if you are listeningto us on your commute, um, or you
remember to do it when you get there,um, check out the article if that's
the kind of thing that interests you.

Ellen (02:03:35):
So what have, what are we getting into next week?

Bex (02:03:39):
Um, next week we get "Athena Begins."

Ellen (02:03:43):
Oh, more flashbacks.

Bex (02:03:46):
So yes, we get "Athena Begins", we get Athena reflecting on how she
became the police officer she is today.
And the official summary, um, Tellsus when a murder weapon from a
case close to Athena resurfaces.
Uh, we flash back to 1989 to showhow Athena joined the LAPD and became

(02:04:09):
the police officer she is today.

Ellen (02:04:11):
So I assume there's some more cop stuff triggers in this one, right?

Bex (02:04:16):
Yeah, the triggers for this episode, we've got the generic, um,
warning for cops and abuse of power.
Uh, we've also got racism, misogyny,and some drunk use and gun violence,
just to make it even more fun.

Ellen (02:04:35):
So is it a particularly heavy episode?

Bex (02:04:38):
This one?

Alice (02:04:39):
Ish?

Bex (02:04:40):
Yes.

Alice (02:04:41):
Yeah.

Ellen (02:04:41):
Okay.

Bex (02:04:42):
She's, it, it's not a fun time.

Alice (02:04:45):
Yeah, it's not.

Bex (02:04:46):
I mean, you can look at Athena and see like, the police officer that she
is today, and you can imagine that shedid not have an easy path to get there.
So we're only seeing asmall part of her path.

Ellen (02:05:00):
All right, well, um, that's a wrap on episode six.
So let us know what youthought about this episode.
Did you enjoy it as much as we did?
Are you going to go andmake friends with crows now?
Like Please, like, letus know how that goes.
I, I don't know how Chim's going tocope with like this crow knowing his
name, but you know, don't let the faeknow what your real name is, you know?

(02:05:25):
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Other than leaving comments onyour listening, app of choice.
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Bex (02:05:50):
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Ellen (02:05:58):
Yeah.
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Thank you so much for listening this week,and we will see you next week to talk
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See you then.

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Ellen (02:06:15):
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