February 20, 2025 • 44 mins
ID is back at their shenanigans and so are we! We asked our PATRONS what they missed and they said 'Binge or Bust'?... which yay, so did we! And wouldn't you know that journalistic juggernauts Investigation Discovery and Beth Karas released another intensely factual and unbiased docu-series at just the right time.
We kicked off the start of 2024 with a full breakdown of all six episodes of "The Curious Case of Natalia Grace" and now we're back with another curious case from ID, but one of a very different nature. It's "The Curious Case of... Bam Margera".
"Jackass star Bam grapples with addiction and Lima takes over his treatment. Online advocate BJ attacks Lima’s motives and a vicious battle ensues." - ID
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We kicked off the start of 2024 with a full breakdown of all six episodes of "The Curious Case of Natalia Grace" and now we're back with another curious case from ID, but one of a very different nature. It's "The Curious Case of... Bam Margera".
"Jackass star Bam grapples with addiction and Lima takes over his treatment. Online advocate BJ attacks Lima’s motives and a vicious battle ensues." - ID
Strap in because Ash has A LOT to say!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I did another one where I was rock climbing. I
was on the edge of a big cliff. I knew
that I wasn't the point being Neither of those are
meant to be scary, and they terrified me.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I've never done VR.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
And then I tried the scary zombie ones and stuff
and they actually are so scary.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, I've never done VR, so I have a hard
time picturing and thinking about what it would feel like.
But I imagine the idea is to have fun.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
The idea is to have fun. But they're like, Okay,
what is your worst nightmare? Great, We're gonna put you there.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It's gonna be great. Your body, your body's going to
be tricked into feeling things that is so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It's fucked up, so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It is just so damn fun. That's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Got up up. Hey we are back, We're big. This
is that's so f fucked to a podcast about things
that make you say, ugh, that's so fun. Got I
am your host, Ashley Love Richards, and you're kind of
(01:12):
like an unofficial co host.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Unofficial co host Kristin Jones, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You know? Fallon got busy with life as people do,
and as y'all probably know. I went solo and Kristin,
who was one of my research helpers, was interested in
co hosting. There were a few episodes that she had
already researched, and I was like, well, why would I
tell those stories if you already know them. Turns out
(01:38):
you had researched quite a few stories.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
We kind of get along.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I think we have some fun.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It is a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I have fun.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I do Wow, do we have a fucking doozy today?
If you guys listen to the series on mccameie manor,
you know that I talked about Amanda rab And fucking
Jermavuk what's her name?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
What a lima fucking name?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Lima you rummage? Yeah, I can't say it's.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
It's hard and fuck her you have rummage, I think.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Anyways, you guys know that I talked about her, Amanda
rab bamar jaris soft way underbelly Mark Leta a couple
of times, and then we did an episode about Amanda.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Rab And lima little intro.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I didn't even know that this fucking documentary was coming out,
and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Two weeks later, maybe it was a good timing.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Fucking documentary about this case came out, this case that
no one fucking knows about that I've been obsessing over
for like a year, So it was just really crazy timing,
really crazy timing. Yeah, this is it's an episode, the
first episode of a six part series.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
On Max or I D whatever called The.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Curious Case of y'all might remember last year January twenty
twenty four, I covered the Curious Case of Natalia Grace
Binge or Bust. Every episode I said, this is garbage.
I hate ID they are terrible documentary makers. But I'll
still probably end up watching the final fucking season that's
(03:15):
gonna come out next year, because.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You gotta see what happens.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I have to.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I have to finish what I fucking started.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You're completionist, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Right now, we're.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Doing a bit of a revamp of the show. As
y'all know, if you are one of our listeners who
has been around for a while, there's definitely been some
changes and content, co hosts, all kinds of things. We
are always trying to improve the show. Also, I just
kind of got to a point where it was overwhelming
(03:43):
to keep up with the amount of content that I
was making. So we're just kind of playing around with
things right now. And I asked our pay trends what
segment of previous times they missed. Overwhelmingly, I got Binge
or Bust, which was actually a pretty big and delightful
surprise to me because that was actually one of my
(04:05):
favorite segments to do. But I didn't think that it
was a big hit. I think though, especially when I'm
doing a documentary that's on a streaming service that not
everybody has. You know, nine out of ten people probably
have Netflix. Not a lot of people have Peacock and
Hulu and Max and I don't know, there's so many.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It definitely is nice to have sort of access to
the documentary. If you don't have the streaming service, then
I don't have to like pay.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, some people just don't like watching documentaries.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, it's just nice to just hear it.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
For some people, that's not their jam.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
This segment started because one of our former Lovely co hosts,
Miss Michelle Moser, she'd never like to watch documentaries. So
I'd be like, oh my god, did you watch Don't
Fuck with Cats or whatever? And the answer was always no,
And I was always like, motherfucker, because I wanted to
talk to her about it. You're really missing out though,
but not watching these documentaries. I would break down the
(05:03):
documentary for her kind of seen by scene, so she
got to hear it, but the audio version with of
course my commentary.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Because I can't help it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I was really excited to hear that people were missing
binge or best because because I'm kind of missing it.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, I liked it, and I like to watch documentaries.
I like the commentary and like I can pop my
headphones in and listen while i'm you know, doing things,
versus sitting down and watching a documentary. And my kids
are like, I don't want to watch that, or it's
content that they can't watch anyway, right, So it's nice
to hear it when you can't watch.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And at the end, I tell y'all whether I think
it's a binge or bust. If I think that you
will get something extra by watching the documentary because it's
visually striking, or you need to see the people's fucking
the look in their eyes to get the real feeling
or whatever, then I will say that this was the story.
I still think it's worth your time to watch the
(05:58):
documentary or all say I d made it, and so
it's obviously hot fucking garbage and you don't need to
watch it spoily.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
This is a bust.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
This one's gonna be hot garbage.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well it's the Curious Case of Natalia.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Grace was hot garbage.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And this is a spinoff the Curious Case up where
they do six Curious Cases. And this fucking production company does.
I mean, I guess most documentaries are trying to make
you feel something or sway you in a certain direction.
But man, is this shit some biased horseshit. They pick
a hero and a loser and they roll with that story.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And that's not how you're supposed to do a documentary.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Bad journalism, if you can call it that.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So are you ready to talk about the Curious Case
of Bam Margera? Yes, okay, Oh you know what, before
we get into the episode, there is something that I
need to do.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Holy fuck it, I don't think i've done atron, thank
yous in.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I don't know. I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So you know what, before we get into the episode,
you guys, I'm gonna go back to June because I
don't think that I would have fucked up for longer
than that with forgetting because oh my god, patrons, I
love you.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I couldn't do this without you.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So if I have gone longer than that, sorry, fuck me, Jesus.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I'm trying to do better. Let me know if you're
like bitch, I joined in May and you never thanked me.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay before we get into the episode. And I'm even
gonna thank people that are now on the free tier
because you did join at some point and I get it.
Times are tough, well, you know, finances crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Oh Okay, thank you, thank you, and thank you too.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
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Jane B, sam Amander, Alegra Sarah H, Megan L, Stilla L,
Carrie B Aaron Kirk W, Maria, Julia G, Kelly W Wolf, Cola,
(08:20):
Amanda M Meela, Leah R, Jacqueline B, Kristen, April O, Sin,
Luna Kim B, Kelly S. Browlin, L n O, Tracy J,
Jen cs, NC, Puckwa Ge, Holly, Lana Tellgan, Mark E, Anonymous,
(08:43):
Rachel C, Cassie S, Jonathan V, Josie L. Brittany R.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Did you do it.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Fuck.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I think I listen. If you're a patron and you
didn't get a shout out, let me know because I
will shut you the fuck out on the next episode.
I don't want to miss that.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Okay. I love you, guys, And.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
If you want to get a shout out on air
in six to eight months patreon dot com slash yes you.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I'm just kidding. I swear you guys. It was a
rough one. Okay. Fuck twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five,
what up? We're here, we're.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Doing it rolling.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, and now we're rolling into this breakdown of this
stupid documentary. We start off in Westchester, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
We see Lima, yev Givramovich.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I think we're adding it's Yevmi.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
We're adding rahmedge.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Lima, Laura to Callie, to Callie, to Golly Yevrimige, all
the names give Ramich.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Fuck you Lima, y'all.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
If you didn't listen to the Amanda rab episode, I
would highly suggest that you go listen to this first
because it's going to give some great You'll already know
these characters fun.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And she'll get the context of the story.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And you'll automatically see which way this documentary is gone.
Oh car, we see Lima. She is arriving to a property.
She's with police. Bam Margera, who you'll probably know from Jackass.
I'll introduce him further in a minute, comes out and
is getting in Lima's face, saying, why do you suck
(10:23):
so bad?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Why are you so evil?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Why are the police here?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I'm kind of with him there maybe yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
BAM's girlfriend is with him.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
She's intervening, telling Limaa back off, telling Bam to get
in the car. And as Bam is getting in the car,
he's repeating evil woman, evil woman at Lima because I
believe dude, if the devil exists, it's her.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
He gets it. He can read her energy.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Uh huh yeah, no, he sees her aura and it's dark.
Then it cuts to this lady Beth Carris talking. She
would the kind of like narrator or whatever. She's a
legal analyst. She's kind of the storyteller, and she is
on Natalia's show as well. So Beth Carris, slow, good
(11:14):
job girl. You should be proud of the reporting.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
That you're doing.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Number one narrator.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Anywhow, they don't introduce Beth, but I'm going to because
she secks. I'm sure they will at some point.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I was like, hello, are you not going to tell
us who this fucking person is? Are they at a
descriptor just a descriptor exactly what's their name? But, like
I said, a quality production, so I'm not surprised. We
meet Beth Carris and she says this is a story
about the right to make your own decisions. They talk
(11:47):
about Britney Spears's thirteen year conservatorship, how all of her
literal human rights were stripped away. Conservatorship is a legal
arrangement which takes away someone's ability to make decisions for themselves.
For thirteen years, Brittany couldn't access her own money, couldn't
(12:09):
get married, have a kid, She couldn't decide what medications
she was on. Dude, she was human trafficked by her family. Actually,
I did an episode about this when.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Brittany was freed, and I'm going to repost that.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Shout out to Kristin Kristin Cevie for murder. She told
who closed.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
That with me?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, And when Britney's conservatorship ended, I was like, I
need to cover this because this is a travesty this
is a crime.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
It's human heart breaking. It was so sad.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
They talk about that the Free Britney movement.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
They show a clip of Bja Corville, Brittany Corville AKABJ
investigates aka that surprise witness who actually started the Free
Bam movement. She was very involved in the Free Britney
movement and she started the Freebam movement when she found
out that he was also in a conservatorship. They show
(13:06):
a clip of her real quick, but I just wanted
to give that insight that BJ started the Freebam movement
and she's interviewed very little, and they don't put her
in a good light.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, she's pissed, and you know.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
What, there's varying opinions out there about BJ. Unfortunately she
started going in a little bit of like a low
key right wing direction more recently, which I don't love.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
But damn it, she does good work.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
She does really good investigative work though, And I actually
I'm kind of like of the mind that you don't
necessarily need to love or agree with everything that somebody
you like does. Yoja kat.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I think she's an amazing fucking artist.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
She does some weird shit in her personal time that
I'm like, what the fuck, man, why are you a troll?
She does some weird shit. I don't agree with everything
about her, but I think we live generally now in
such a black and white world where you do have
to agree with everybody in order to get.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Along or be friends or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, it's definitely not black and white.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Just because BJ, you know, I think I think she's
just pandering to certain parts of the audience that are
very engaged in her content. And fuck, we're all trying
to Hey, we're all trying to fucking pay the rent at.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
The end of the day.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Get the clicks, get the views.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Patreon, dot com, slash tsfu.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
If you want to spare us, you got.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
To support the show.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
But yeah, I don't have to like everything that BJ
thinks or says, just like y'all don't have to agree
with everything I say. You probably shouldn't. I'm probably wrong
about I am. Wow, I just got itchy saying that
I'm never wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Ninety five percent of the time, you guys, I'm right.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm just saying, you know, we're all allowed to have opinions.
We can still be friends. Absolutely interesting though, to know
that this is an episode about Bam. Margera and BJ
Corville started the Free Brittany or started the Free Bam movement,
yet she's featured very little in the documentary. It reminds
(15:15):
me of Ah, what was Kai, the hatchet wielding hitchhiker? Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yes, I remember that story.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Did you watch the documentary or did you listen to
the boorb?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I listened to the boorb that was on Netflix. That
was such a piece of hot garbage. Oh my god,
it was pissed you guys. I was pissed they interviewed
his abusive mother but did not reach out to get
his side of the story at any point. I should
re release that one took. Hey, here's the top three
the worst documentaries. I say that because episodes one through
(15:47):
one hundred and then up to a certain date are
behind the Patreon wall as well as ad free. So
that's why sometimes I'll do re releases, or just because something
is years old and you would have to scroll way
the fuck down and the feed to find it.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
It's just easier.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
We'll do a re release for that reason as well.
But any hoosy, we see a clip of Bam saying
that he's the Britney Spears of Jackass and he wants
the world to know what he's been through. So now
they introduce Bam. They say he was a pro skateboarder
and the star of Jackass in the early two thousands.
(16:23):
They show clips of Jackass of the guys doing stupid,
painful stunts. They show a clip of Steve O putting
a leech to his fucking eyeball.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
God, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
That's the clip they chose one of them. They mean,
so many movies and they had to pick the leech
to the eyeball. That's so gross.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Rat trap to the dick.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Oh yeah, they do a lot of dick stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Well, of course they do.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
A lot of dick stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Bam. I didn't know this actually had his own spinoff
for five seasons.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I watched that as a teenager.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Viva Lebay loved it, Oh my god, because it almost
like a huge draw to the show.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yes, I loved him.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
He was great, And I actually when Beth said this,
I already knew this, but I was like, uhhhhhh. Kind
of got the wheel spinning on Jackass and Viva Labam.
He totally just mercilessly fucks with his parent constantly.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I mean, I don't know, but is that not maybe
not a justifiable reason at all?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Insane?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
But is that not maybe some motive to put somebody
in a conservatorship where they're under control and not in
your hair, crashing your cars, throwing balls at your head or.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Whatever the fuck?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And I often wondered, because they know that there are
cameras and they know what jackasses go always wondered how
much of this is one hundred percent real? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Right right?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I feel like a lot of it because to watch
his parents' reactions, especially his mom, he was always terrifying
his mom and it seems very genuine.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Rightfully, so they might have some resentment towards him because
he's been torturing them. That doesn't mean they should lock
him the fuck up.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
We might have some varying opinions on this.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Some people are like, dude, some people can't take care
of themselves and need to be under control, And yeah,
that is the case sometimes, But I believe that we
should not be forcibly incarcerating people who have not committed
like violent crimes. My dad is bipolar. He could take
(18:39):
the medication, he chooses not to he'll probably end up
homeless or in jail or dead or something. My mom
is raging alcoholics, she probably has the same fate in store,
only she can stop fucking drinking. Though, at the end
of the day, if I said, you know what, I
(19:00):
don't like the way that you're living. It makes me
uncomfortable because I have to worry about you. So I
would feel better knowing that you're sitting in a fucking
mental institution or in a rehab where you're going to
try to fucking escape from anyways because you don't want
to be sober.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I disagree.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I think that people should be able to live and
die how the fuck they want, as long as they
are not harming anyone else. Sure, does it mentally harm
me emotionally that my parents live this way and will.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Die that way?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yes, But at a certain point it's my responsibility to
accept that this is the paths that they've chosen.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Right, they're their choices.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's hard. It's really hard to accept anything like that,
no matter who it's from, whether it's a friend or
a parent or a sibling or whatever. That I can't
even imagine having to just let them do their things
and then.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
There was I was talking to somebody who their brother
is in a conservative actually and he's highly schizophrenic.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I didn't want to probe too much.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You know, it was definitely obviously a sensitive topic to
this person, but he was very.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Much of the belief that his brother needed that.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And I think there are definitely situations in cases where
people do. Like my great grandma, my uncle became her
conservator at one point because she had fucking dementia and
she literally could not function and do all the shit.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
It's a pretty interesting topic and it definitely has gotten
me to think a lot, because there was a point
where I was considering, do I try to fucking take
some sort of control over my parents' lives so they
can live longer but still miserably, but not in the
type of misery they're choosing or they want.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, I feel like if maybe they were like, hey,
we're struggling, we recognize that this, we don't want to anymore,
then maybe taking over is different than Okay, you're not
ready to help yourself, but I'm gonna make you do it,
and then they're not gonna want to do it. So
I feel like there's a difference there too, and.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Then that person's rights are just poof gone. They lose
all their human rights. It's crazy, dude.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
We now go to Steven Glover.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Do you know who that is?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Steve O?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, that was Stephen Glover.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Had no idea. That is hilarious. That was just an
educated guess on my part because I know Steveo's involved.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
We see Steve O.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
He looks. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. He looks great.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
He does. He's like he really does. Now he's aged
nicely for all the shitt he did to himself, especially
you guys.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Sobriety generally looks pretty good on people. Although I have
some bones to pick with Steve O because he's on
the conservatorship side.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well, I wonder if he truly feels he's acting in
BAM's best interest, that he doesn't quite get who Lima is, Like,
I wonder that maybe he does, and maybe it's he's
a little more nefarious.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
King information is out there if you want to find
out who the fuck Lima is, type her name in
and you'll get different sides of the story. She's painted
in a very good light by a lot of reputable
people that should not be reputable people.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Which get into.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
He says that he's known Bam for over twenty years,
that Bam was already an established pro skateboarder when they
started Jackass. BAM's rich as fuck, and that's because he
was already famous for being a pro skateboarder and just
his crazy antics.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
His brother. This isn't in the documentary.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
This little side info was in the band's Ky Yourrky.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
That's the only one I know.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
But anyways, he was selling more skateboards than Tony Hawk.
Interesting Tony Hawk, who was like most famous skateboarder probably.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
In the world.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I don't know if he still is, you know, probably,
but he was at a very young age, super successful
and not into abusing substances that time.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Steve O was.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Unemployed, broke, he was homeless, CouchSurfing, just very much in
the throes of addiction of drugs and alcohol. And now
over twenty years later, he says, they've had almost a
total role reversal. We see Bam probably making an Instagram
video or whatever the kids are doing these days. Maybe
(23:41):
it was on TikTok, the TikTok, I don't know. We
see video of Bam saying that Jackass has put him
through hell. Then in the next one he's crying, saying
that Jackass was everything to him, and he says, who
cares if I'm drunk or not. Well, alcoholics and drug
addicts tend to legal little havoc. I know from you know,
(24:07):
first and secondhand experience. I'm not saying that he should
just be able to do whatever he wants, regardless of
that fucking with the production or not. Again, it's tricky shit,
but I don't think that anybody should just have all
of their fucking rights taken away because they're a drug
addict or an alcoholic.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Sorry no. And I do know that in.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
The past he was a fucking punk and violent, probably
fucking bashed people's head and shit with his skateboard. I
don't know exactly, but a lot of people's argument is, oh, whatever,
BAM's a dick, so he deserves it.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
And that's a scary world to live in, y'all.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I'm sure that maybe his I don't know, dickish behavior.
I don't want to say it can be explained away,
but do you know what I'm trying to mean?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You think a lot of it is maybe a result
of his substance abuse. When he's actually like a real asshole,
it's because he's fucked up and and that's not an
excuse or a justification, right, But addiction is a disease.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yes, it's he's not just being an asshole to be
an asshole.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
When he was a kid, he was like he was
then punk.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Was he famous then too? Okay? So maybe it was fame,
maybe it.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Was Yeah, because I believe this is from others horses
that before he was on Jackass, well, he was a
pro skateboarder. His brother was in c KY and him
and his friends would do like stupid stunts. He was
the fucking o G Jackass Okay, and like Steve O
and Johnny Knoxville, wero nobody and they needed Bam.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
For the show to be successful.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
But like I said, I think he's always been a dick. Well,
I mean, okay, we see how he treats his parents.
You know he's an ass we do.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
But when I knew who he was, I knew him
through Viva Obama Jackass. So I wasn't sure how much
of this is an act? Because there's a camera and
we were making a TV show, how much of it
is his true personality, how much of it is. I'm famous,
I'm young. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
And you guys, we're gonna do a whole episode on
BAM because now that we've done the intro to Amanda
rab episode, Oh.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, we gotta and I'll ties in.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
We've got a series coming.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, we'll definitely do a deeper dive into BAM because
this is some shit ass journalism.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Quote Air Air quotes, big journalism.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I just did a quick google because it was secondhand
info that he was violent when he was younger or whatever.
It does look like it without me getting into detail,
that he does have a history of some violence. So
don't love that, No, we don't. Everybody has a past,
and I'm not proud of everything at mine, even a
(26:42):
few weeks ago. So anyways, we'll definitely get into that.
In the episode about BAM, we're still with Steve O.
He says that he's been clean and sober for fifteen years,
and we see news clips saying that Bam was arrested
(27:05):
for being drunk in public unable to care for himself
in twenty twenty one. His family tried to do an
intervention and he resisted apparently, but then you see a
news story headline on the screen that says Bam Margera
arrested for trespassing after checking out of rehab. So they
(27:25):
tried for an intervention and apparently they did successfully get
him into rehab, but his resisting was him leaving because
he did not want to be sober.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And I don't think you should force that.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
On both well, and I know that after Ryan Dunn
died that they did jackass with he was in that
car accident, I think, and he was killed. That hit
him really hard, and like that's when a lot of
the drinking and drugs really kind of took off. So
if you're trying to hide that, if you're trying to
bury your grief and your pain, I could imagine him
(28:01):
not wanting to be sober. Dude.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's why the majority of addicts don't want to be sober.
It's because they have a lot of chit that they
don't want to feel because it's hard to feel sad things.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, it's hard. And I'm sure that you know when
you go into.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Rehab and Ryan was thirty four, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Young, and it was so sad, So I mean, yeah,
let's fucking bring in some shades of gray here, you know. Yeah,
So now we go back to the incredible journalist Beth Carris,
and she says, so his family turns to Hollywood entrepreneur
who's known for working in the addiction and recovery industry
(28:46):
and known for innovative treatments and her willingness to tackle
the toughest addictions.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
That's Lima's introu But okay, I can't even say words.
I'm just making just noises. Lima sits her fucking stupid
ass down in front of the camera. She says, I
started a small business called Aura, and I make software
(29:18):
that can be used on virtual reality headsets. And there's
clips saying that VR can heal depression and addiction.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I don't know if y'all know, but.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
VR exposure therapy can heal any addiction or mental illness.
It's pretty crazy. It's a kind of a cure.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
All It sounds like a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I've done Jurassic Park VR.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, is that cool?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It was, and it's not meant to be scary, but
they come at you, and I was scared. I did
another one where I was rock climbing.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Okay, I was on the.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Edge of a big cliff.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I knew that I wasn't the point being neither of
those are meant to be scary, right, and they terrified me.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I've never done VR, And then I.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Tried scary zombie ones and stuff and they actually are
so scary.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah. I've never done VR, so I'd have a hard
time picturing and thinking about what it would feel like.
But I imagine the idea is to have fun.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, yeah, the idea is to have fun. But they're like, Okay,
what is your worst nightmare? Great, we're going to put
you there.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It's going to be great. Your body, your body's going
to be tricked into feeling things.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
They say that it's been tested on veterans and super
popular population to test shit on.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, that's that doesn't seem right.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
We treat veterans really well here in the US. I'm
a fan, She says, Aura, Aura, Whatever is all about
data driven healing for people struggling with mental health issues.
Beth says that Lima wants to blend VR with traditional
treatment methods, and that the idea is that her software
(30:56):
can track a patience progress. So already this idea is
scarcely Yeah, who's programming the software that's tracking and deciding things, right,
That makes.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
All the difference.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So Lima is shown putting a patient into a VR
headset and says, Okay, we're going to put you in
a triggering environment. She says that they're tracking voice patterns,
behavioral patterns, biomarkers, and the patient is seen saying that
it's triggering and she's scared. Lima says that the software
(31:31):
can predict if someone is at risk for relapse or
of harming theirselves or someone else.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
And how is the software supposed to do that?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, I'm sorry what I feel.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Like that's the job of a therapist or any sort
of medical professional who can speak to someone and say,
you know what, they may be at risk for this behavior.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
In Lima's utopia, I'm in rehab, I say I'm feeling
really good, I got exit amount of time sober. I
take her test and the software says relapse risk, relapse.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Risk right in.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Then the deciding you know what I mean? Like this,
it's terrifying. Yeah, guys, yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
We're gonna do another episode soon on AI because I
was watching a video earlier about how you can.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Take a picture of your crush, throw.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Them in an AI app, and then look, you can
see y'all kissing. Oh, you can get them naked. Oh
you can make them dance. If your voice and whatever
info about you is uploaded to this one app, you
can role play with anybody you want and the AI
will have their voice, right, y'all. It is some wild shit,
(32:45):
and we're still like the very beginning days, I've been
saying Skynight is coming for like a year. I've been
telling you guys, we're.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Fuck all right, Yeah, it's it was gross.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
So she says this is used with vet's, people struggling
with addiction, people with severe mental illness.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Like I said, it's an amazing cure.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
All. I think we should all be very excited about
this future where this software can just heal everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Right, just instead of working on functioning in the real world,
just put on your VR headset and learn no skills
about the real world. That's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I just don't think that exposure therapy is the right
method for everybody, which is why there are literally probably
hundreds of different therapy modalities.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, I do several exposure therapy. I feel like has
its time and place, and I don't think that for addiction,
that that is one of them makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
What the fuck? Man?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Ah, I'm so scared.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I'm so scared from the Blair Witch projection.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yes, I'm like, what is that from? Like I know
that I know?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Okay, Kristin, you ready for this? Guess who we meet? Now?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
We've met Bam, We've met Bam, we've met Limat Lima.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
We've seen a clip of bj we've met Bess. Beth
is here, we've seen Steve.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Though, I'm gonna guess that we meet Mark.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Girl bing Dong Ding, bing Dong Dingya, I don't bing
dong ding. That's the literally I've seen inside out multiple
times and I every fucking time bing Bong doesn't make
it out. Oh my yeah, it's and even let's move on.
I can't talk about it, Okay, yes, and we go.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah it's hard.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So now we go to sunny Los Angeles, California. They're
not trying to do a hit job on Mark, but
I think that's this clip is fairy telling of who
Mark is. We meet photographer Mark Lata, who if you
listened to the episode on Amanda Rab you will know
who they are just pause.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Go listen to it.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But all so it's kind of spoilies, So I don't know.
He says that he used to drive down skid Row
and see the homeless people, not people experiencing homelessness, and
he would think, get a fucking job. Come on, that's
a quote direct.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Quote, that's the clip that they played of him.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
But then he says, which I wonder, if you think
these people are such fucking scum that you should just
get a fuck job, why would you get a studio
on skid Row to start taking portraits of these people.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
And exploiting them.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Oh, because you don't give a fuck, and you're an
exploitative creep. You fu face.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
You're good.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I have feelings. I have feelings about you. You're good.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, he's gross, but.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
He's like a wolf in sheep's clothes. He is.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Because remember we talked about this the first time, that
you were like sent me all these videos. You're like,
watch these, these are what you need to check out.
And I'm watching it and I'm like, I don't really get it.
He seems what's her problem? I don't. And then the
more I watched, the more I was like oh, and.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm like wow right here when he does this and
you're like, oh shit.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
It starts off and you're like, okay, he's trying to
tell these people's stories. He's trying to give him a voice.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
And he's a piece of garbage.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
He is. And I would have assumed, oh, he's probably
trying to help them. He's not.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
He gives them twenty to forty dollars for an interview
and then makes the thousands off of the revenue from
their interview.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah. He slides in there and you think okay, and
if you don't pay too close attention, you may miss
some of the signs. And it's he's so gross.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So many of the people that he interviews are intoxicated
in some form, and you can't consent to an interview
that's going to be seen by potentially hundreds of thousands
of people under the influence.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
That's not cool. And with a company subscribers.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
This isn't in the documentary because, like I said, I
don't think they're trying to make Mark look bad. I
just thought it was funny though, because they kind of
did by, you know, get a fucking job.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Come on, dude, even if like you seem like a
great guy.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Now, like, that's still not not a good look.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Okay. He has six point two one million subscribers on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Oh, he's growing all the time. Last time I checked
it was five point something.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, I'm like, I need to check this real quick.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Which is why I'm really passionate about exposing Mark. Do
I think he's the worst person in the world. No?
Do I think he's purposely being super nefarious? No? E.
Do I think what he's doing is incredibly fucked up
but getting a ton of positive attention?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yes, and I don't like that. I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, not enough people are talking about it. Talk about
it more.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Morning.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
He said he got a studio on skid Row and
would do portraits of these people, and you know, as
he got to know them, he realized they had very
different stories.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
What does that mean? Of course they did.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Everybody has a different fucking story. Me and Kristen have
a very different fucking story because we're people. What do
you yeah? Okay, thank you captain obvious.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
He says that he has a YouTube channel called Soft
White Underbelly where he interviews drug addicts, not people you
know experiencing substance abuse issues, which might be the verbiage
you would use if you were working with his population.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I don't think he sees them as people.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
No, no drug dealers, gang members, sex workers, pimps. I
thought it was funny he did use sex workers here
in this interview, but all of his interviews with sex
workers are like prostitute as rees.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yes, it's always head.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Whore Sarah or whatever, Sorry Sarah, love you Sarah's. But
that's not how he words his fucking videos.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, it's gross clickbait.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Somebody's gonna click crack addicted prostitute over sex workers struggling
with addiction sketch here, I'll admit, but it's the buzzwords.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Technical, but it's the buzzwords. It's the search what pops.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Up in Google CEO search engine optimization. Yeah, I actually
saw this on another YouTube video. There are a few
YouTubers trying to expose Mark, but it's very few. And
he shows an interview with Mark, or maybe a clip
where Mark is interviewing somebody else. Oh, it's a clip
(39:17):
where Mark is interviewing a pimp. And hey, I mean
I think it would be an interesting person to talk
to what is what's your fucking deal?
Speaker 3 (39:25):
What made you decide to sex traffic people?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
How did you get into this lifestyle? What did you
want to be when you grew up?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Oh, by the way, you guys, the Player's Ball is real.
It's an annual pimp awards. I'm not kidding you, that's right,
the award Pimp of the Year.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
This is real.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Can you look up the requirements?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Like what, like, how do you get in? How do
you I think you have to be a pimp or
a you know quote?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Ho like, I'm not how do you get nominated?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
What are the stats?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Honestly, we should probably do a deeper dive because I'm curious.
Mark has been invited. I don't know if you went,
but he's been invited.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
To the Player's Ball.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
He's beloved amongst the pimp community.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
That is wild.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
He's interviewing this pimp, and the pimp casually says, in
a joking manner that you have to hit black women
to keep them in line. Mark laughs, Oh yeah, that's.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Perfect right, those crazy bitches.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I meant so unless you put this back down.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Oh my god, hilarious.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
We're talking about minority vulnerable sex trans fine and I'm
getting abused.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
It's okay because they're not real people. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I love it. I love it. I love it, I
love it, I love it. I love it so much
that I can't talk about any more of it today.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
We have to stop.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
The binge or busts tend to be lengthy because this
is an hour long episode.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
We got to break it down beat by beat.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
And we have a lot of shit to say about
this because everything's wrong and it's terrible. So we will
be back for part two of the Curious Case of
Bam Margera.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
The id hot garbage.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Piece of shit, piece of shit documentary episode, docuseries.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Episode I guess Yes.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
In the meantime, if you have not listened to the
Amanda rab episode, I repeat, go back and listen. I'll
put that episode link in the show notes. Also, I
recommended a Binger Buss that I thought people should, oh,
the Free Britney. Wait, that wasn't a Binger Bust. That
was just an episode the Kai Oh. If you want
to hear a bing or bust, if you want to
(41:43):
hear another example of a terrible documentary. And then I
actually do have a lot of documentaries that I reviewed
that I thought word incredible, and I said you should
watch that instead.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
But if you want to.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Hear about another really bad one, Kay the hatchet wielding Hitchhiker.
But yeah, I'm definitely going to because it's behind the
Patreon wall right now, re release the episode on Britney
Spears and her conservatorship.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Honestly, it's pretty crazy. If I know is I.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Want to say it's episode seventy three.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I'm gonna check I would believe you, because I sure.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Not totally is.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Oh my god, that's crazy that I know that.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
What the fun is crazy?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, but it was episode seventy three, Free Brittany, The
Life and Abusive Conservatorship of Britney Spears. I will re
release that because this one is about BAM's conservatorship somewhat
someone That one's about Britney's conservatorship, and like Britney said,
he or like Bam said, he's the Brittany of Jackass.
(42:43):
So make sure to listen to those episodes and in
the meantime, listen to those episodes. Then I will see
you next week. I don't know what you thought, Kristen,
but I thought that was actually I didn't.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Think it was real as fuck. I think it was.
It was real fucked up.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
But it was real fucked up. It was for sure.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Because it was terrible.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Investigation Discovery.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, well I think that they own TLC. I think, yeah,
that sounds the worst. It's the worst channel. Wait, no,
they're owned by Warner Brothers. Discovery. Oh my god, they've
everything has merged.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
But the yeah, it's yeah, it's all I think the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Oh, you guys the media.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I mean, that's a whole other episode.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
But if you're like, why is TLC hot garbage? Another suggestion,
go back and listen to that So Fucked Up Presents
season about shiny happy people and Christian fundamentalism.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Lots of examples about TLC.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Ah, there's a whole fucking episode about TLC and how
it's an awful, awful, awful network, just terrible, terrible content,
horribly abusive to everyone, crazy exploited.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Of It's it's not ethical, you guys, listen. I'm not
throwing shade because I have.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Watched a lot of TLC in my day before I
knew and maybe a little bit.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
After, so I'm not it's hard. I'm not shaming you guys.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Okay, they make drama worthy television. Sometimes you just have
to you have to watch sometimes just to get us.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Sometimes it's like a train wreck. Yes and can look
it's it's not. I don't know you guys. We'll see
you next time. T s if thepodcast dot com is
where you can find everything. You can play bingo with us,
which I always forget to introduce.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
You can find our.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Social media all that Patreon, check us out and we'll
see you next time. Bye, bye.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Job so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
It's just
I did another one where I was rock climbing. I
was on the edge of a big cliff. I knew
that I wasn't the point being Neither of those are
meant to be scary, and they terrified me.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I've never done VR.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
And then I tried the scary zombie ones and stuff
and they actually are so scary.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, I've never done VR, so I have a hard
time picturing and thinking about what it would feel like.
But I imagine the idea is to have fun.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
The idea is to have fun. But they're like, Okay,
what is your worst nightmare? Great, We're gonna put you there.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It's gonna be great. Your body, your body's going to
be tricked into feeling things that is so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It's fucked up, so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It is just so damn fun. That's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Got up up. Hey we are back, We're big. This
is that's so f fucked to a podcast about things
that make you say, ugh, that's so fun. Got I
am your host, Ashley Love Richards, and you're kind of
(01:12):
like an unofficial co host.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Unofficial co host Kristin Jones, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You know? Fallon got busy with life as people do,
and as y'all probably know. I went solo and Kristin,
who was one of my research helpers, was interested in
co hosting. There were a few episodes that she had
already researched, and I was like, well, why would I
tell those stories if you already know them. Turns out
(01:38):
you had researched quite a few stories.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
We kind of get along.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I think we have some fun.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It is a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I have fun.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I do Wow, do we have a fucking doozy today?
If you guys listen to the series on mccameie manor,
you know that I talked about Amanda rab And fucking
Jermavuk what's her name?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
What a lima fucking name?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Lima you rummage? Yeah, I can't say it's.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
It's hard and fuck her you have rummage, I think.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Anyways, you guys know that I talked about her, Amanda
rab bamar jaris soft way underbelly Mark Leta a couple
of times, and then we did an episode about Amanda.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Rab And lima little intro.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I didn't even know that this fucking documentary was coming out,
and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Two weeks later, maybe it was a good timing.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Fucking documentary about this case came out, this case that
no one fucking knows about that I've been obsessing over
for like a year, So it was just really crazy timing,
really crazy timing. Yeah, this is it's an episode, the
first episode of a six part series.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
On Max or I D whatever called The.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Curious Case of y'all might remember last year January twenty
twenty four, I covered the Curious Case of Natalia Grace
Binge or Bust. Every episode I said, this is garbage.
I hate ID they are terrible documentary makers. But I'll
still probably end up watching the final fucking season that's
(03:15):
gonna come out next year, because.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You gotta see what happens.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I have to.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I have to finish what I fucking started.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You're completionist, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Right now, we're.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Doing a bit of a revamp of the show. As
y'all know, if you are one of our listeners who
has been around for a while, there's definitely been some
changes and content, co hosts, all kinds of things. We
are always trying to improve the show. Also, I just
kind of got to a point where it was overwhelming
(03:43):
to keep up with the amount of content that I
was making. So we're just kind of playing around with
things right now. And I asked our pay trends what
segment of previous times they missed. Overwhelmingly, I got Binge
or Bust, which was actually a pretty big and delightful
surprise to me because that was actually one of my
(04:05):
favorite segments to do. But I didn't think that it
was a big hit. I think though, especially when I'm
doing a documentary that's on a streaming service that not
everybody has. You know, nine out of ten people probably
have Netflix. Not a lot of people have Peacock and
Hulu and Max and I don't know, there's so many.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It definitely is nice to have sort of access to
the documentary. If you don't have the streaming service, then
I don't have to like pay.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, some people just don't like watching documentaries.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, it's just nice to just hear it.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
For some people, that's not their jam.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
This segment started because one of our former Lovely co hosts,
Miss Michelle Moser, she'd never like to watch documentaries. So
I'd be like, oh my god, did you watch Don't
Fuck with Cats or whatever? And the answer was always no,
And I was always like, motherfucker, because I wanted to
talk to her about it. You're really missing out though,
but not watching these documentaries. I would break down the
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documentary for her kind of seen by scene, so she
got to hear it, but the audio version with of
course my commentary.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Because I can't help it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I was really excited to hear that people were missing
binge or best because because I'm kind of missing it.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, I liked it, and I like to watch documentaries.
I like the commentary and like I can pop my
headphones in and listen while i'm you know, doing things,
versus sitting down and watching a documentary. And my kids
are like, I don't want to watch that, or it's
content that they can't watch anyway, right, So it's nice
to hear it when you can't watch.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And at the end, I tell y'all whether I think
it's a binge or bust. If I think that you
will get something extra by watching the documentary because it's
visually striking, or you need to see the people's fucking
the look in their eyes to get the real feeling
or whatever, then I will say that this was the story.
I still think it's worth your time to watch the
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documentary or all say I d made it, and so
it's obviously hot fucking garbage and you don't need to
watch it spoily.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
This is a bust.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
This one's gonna be hot garbage.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well it's the Curious Case of Natalia.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Grace was hot garbage.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And this is a spinoff the Curious Case up where
they do six Curious Cases. And this fucking production company does.
I mean, I guess most documentaries are trying to make
you feel something or sway you in a certain direction.
But man, is this shit some biased horseshit. They pick
a hero and a loser and they roll with that story.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And that's not how you're supposed to do a documentary.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Bad journalism, if you can call it that.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So are you ready to talk about the Curious Case
of Bam Margera? Yes, okay, Oh you know what, before
we get into the episode, there is something that I
need to do.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Holy fuck it, I don't think i've done atron, thank
yous in.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I don't know. I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So you know what, before we get into the episode,
you guys, I'm gonna go back to June because I
don't think that I would have fucked up for longer
than that with forgetting because oh my god, patrons, I
love you.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I couldn't do this without you.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So if I have gone longer than that, sorry, fuck me, Jesus.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I'm trying to do better. Let me know if you're
like bitch, I joined in May and you never thanked me.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay before we get into the episode. And I'm even
gonna thank people that are now on the free tier
because you did join at some point and I get it.
Times are tough, well, you know, finances crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Oh Okay, thank you, thank you, and thank you too.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
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Jane B, sam Amander, Alegra Sarah H, Megan L, Stilla L,
Carrie B Aaron Kirk W, Maria, Julia G, Kelly W Wolf, Cola,
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Jen cs, NC, Puckwa Ge, Holly, Lana Tellgan, Mark E, Anonymous,
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Rachel C, Cassie S, Jonathan V, Josie L. Brittany R.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Did you do it.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Fuck.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I think I listen. If you're a patron and you
didn't get a shout out, let me know because I
will shut you the fuck out on the next episode.
I don't want to miss that.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Okay. I love you, guys, And.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
If you want to get a shout out on air
in six to eight months patreon dot com slash yes you.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I'm just kidding. I swear you guys. It was a
rough one. Okay. Fuck twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five,
what up? We're here, we're.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Doing it rolling.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, and now we're rolling into this breakdown of this
stupid documentary. We start off in Westchester, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
We see Lima, yev Givramovich.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I think we're adding it's Yevmi.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
We're adding rahmedge.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Lima, Laura to Callie, to Callie, to Golly Yevrimige, all
the names give Ramich.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Fuck you Lima, y'all.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
If you didn't listen to the Amanda rab episode, I
would highly suggest that you go listen to this first
because it's going to give some great You'll already know
these characters fun.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And she'll get the context of the story.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And you'll automatically see which way this documentary is gone.
Oh car, we see Lima. She is arriving to a property.
She's with police. Bam Margera, who you'll probably know from Jackass.
I'll introduce him further in a minute, comes out and
is getting in Lima's face, saying, why do you suck
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so bad?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Why are you so evil?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Why are the police here?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I'm kind of with him there maybe yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
BAM's girlfriend is with him.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
She's intervening, telling Limaa back off, telling Bam to get
in the car. And as Bam is getting in the car,
he's repeating evil woman, evil woman at Lima because I
believe dude, if the devil exists, it's her.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
He gets it. He can read her energy.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Uh huh yeah, no, he sees her aura and it's dark.
Then it cuts to this lady Beth Carris talking. She
would the kind of like narrator or whatever. She's a
legal analyst. She's kind of the storyteller, and she is
on Natalia's show as well. So Beth Carris, slow, good
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job girl. You should be proud of the reporting.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
That you're doing.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Number one narrator.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Anywhow, they don't introduce Beth, but I'm going to because
she secks. I'm sure they will at some point.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I was like, hello, are you not going to tell
us who this fucking person is? Are they at a
descriptor just a descriptor exactly what's their name? But, like
I said, a quality production, so I'm not surprised. We
meet Beth Carris and she says this is a story
about the right to make your own decisions. They talk
(11:47):
about Britney Spears's thirteen year conservatorship, how all of her
literal human rights were stripped away. Conservatorship is a legal
arrangement which takes away someone's ability to make decisions for themselves.
For thirteen years, Brittany couldn't access her own money, couldn't
(12:09):
get married, have a kid, She couldn't decide what medications
she was on. Dude, she was human trafficked by her family. Actually,
I did an episode about this when.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Brittany was freed, and I'm going to repost that.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Shout out to Kristin Kristin Cevie for murder. She told
who closed.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
That with me?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, And when Britney's conservatorship ended, I was like, I
need to cover this because this is a travesty this
is a crime.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
It's human heart breaking. It was so sad.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
They talk about that the Free Britney movement.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
They show a clip of Bja Corville, Brittany Corville AKABJ
investigates aka that surprise witness who actually started the Free
Bam movement. She was very involved in the Free Britney
movement and she started the Freebam movement when she found
out that he was also in a conservatorship. They show
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a clip of her real quick, but I just wanted
to give that insight that BJ started the Freebam movement
and she's interviewed very little, and they don't put her
in a good light.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, she's pissed, and you know.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
What, there's varying opinions out there about BJ. Unfortunately she
started going in a little bit of like a low
key right wing direction more recently, which I don't love.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
But damn it, she does good work.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
She does really good investigative work though, And I actually
I'm kind of like of the mind that you don't
necessarily need to love or agree with everything that somebody
you like does. Yoja kat.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I think she's an amazing fucking artist.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
She does some weird shit in her personal time that
I'm like, what the fuck, man, why are you a troll?
She does some weird shit. I don't agree with everything
about her, but I think we live generally now in
such a black and white world where you do have
to agree with everybody in order to get.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Along or be friends or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, it's definitely not black and white.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Just because BJ, you know, I think I think she's
just pandering to certain parts of the audience that are
very engaged in her content. And fuck, we're all trying
to Hey, we're all trying to fucking pay the rent at.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
The end of the day.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Get the clicks, get the views.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Patreon, dot com, slash tsfu.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
If you want to spare us, you got.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
To support the show.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
But yeah, I don't have to like everything that BJ
thinks or says, just like y'all don't have to agree
with everything I say. You probably shouldn't. I'm probably wrong
about I am. Wow, I just got itchy saying that
I'm never wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Ninety five percent of the time, you guys, I'm right.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm just saying, you know, we're all allowed to have opinions.
We can still be friends. Absolutely interesting though, to know
that this is an episode about Bam. Margera and BJ
Corville started the Free Brittany or started the Free Bam movement,
yet she's featured very little in the documentary. It reminds
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me of Ah, what was Kai, the hatchet wielding hitchhiker? Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yes, I remember that story.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Did you watch the documentary or did you listen to
the boorb?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I listened to the boorb that was on Netflix. That
was such a piece of hot garbage. Oh my god,
it was pissed you guys. I was pissed they interviewed
his abusive mother but did not reach out to get
his side of the story at any point. I should
re release that one took. Hey, here's the top three
the worst documentaries. I say that because episodes one through
(15:47):
one hundred and then up to a certain date are
behind the Patreon wall as well as ad free. So
that's why sometimes I'll do re releases, or just because something
is years old and you would have to scroll way
the fuck down and the feed to find it.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
It's just easier.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
We'll do a re release for that reason as well.
But any hoosy, we see a clip of Bam saying
that he's the Britney Spears of Jackass and he wants
the world to know what he's been through. So now
they introduce Bam. They say he was a pro skateboarder
and the star of Jackass in the early two thousands.
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They show clips of Jackass of the guys doing stupid,
painful stunts. They show a clip of Steve O putting
a leech to his fucking eyeball.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
God, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
That's the clip they chose one of them. They mean,
so many movies and they had to pick the leech
to the eyeball. That's so gross.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Rat trap to the dick.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Oh yeah, they do a lot of dick stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Well, of course they do.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
A lot of dick stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Bam. I didn't know this actually had his own spinoff
for five seasons.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I watched that as a teenager.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Viva Lebay loved it, Oh my god, because it almost
like a huge draw to the show.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yes, I loved him.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
He was great, And I actually when Beth said this,
I already knew this, but I was like, uhhhhhh. Kind
of got the wheel spinning on Jackass and Viva Labam.
He totally just mercilessly fucks with his parent constantly.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I mean, I don't know, but is that not maybe
not a justifiable reason at all?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Insane?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
But is that not maybe some motive to put somebody
in a conservatorship where they're under control and not in
your hair, crashing your cars, throwing balls at your head or.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Whatever the fuck?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And I often wondered, because they know that there are
cameras and they know what jackasses go always wondered how
much of this is one hundred percent real? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Right right?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I feel like a lot of it because to watch
his parents' reactions, especially his mom, he was always terrifying
his mom and it seems very genuine.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Rightfully, so they might have some resentment towards him because
he's been torturing them. That doesn't mean they should lock
him the fuck up.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
We might have some varying opinions on this.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Some people are like, dude, some people can't take care
of themselves and need to be under control, And yeah,
that is the case sometimes, But I believe that we
should not be forcibly incarcerating people who have not committed
like violent crimes. My dad is bipolar. He could take
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the medication, he chooses not to he'll probably end up
homeless or in jail or dead or something. My mom
is raging alcoholics, she probably has the same fate in store,
only she can stop fucking drinking. Though, at the end
of the day, if I said, you know what, I
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don't like the way that you're living. It makes me
uncomfortable because I have to worry about you. So I
would feel better knowing that you're sitting in a fucking
mental institution or in a rehab where you're going to
try to fucking escape from anyways because you don't want
to be sober.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I disagree.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I think that people should be able to live and
die how the fuck they want, as long as they
are not harming anyone else. Sure, does it mentally harm
me emotionally that my parents live this way and will.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Die that way?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yes, But at a certain point it's my responsibility to
accept that this is the paths that they've chosen.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Right, they're their choices.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's hard. It's really hard to accept anything like that,
no matter who it's from, whether it's a friend or
a parent or a sibling or whatever. That I can't
even imagine having to just let them do their things
and then.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
There was I was talking to somebody who their brother
is in a conservative actually and he's highly schizophrenic.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I didn't want to probe too much.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You know, it was definitely obviously a sensitive topic to
this person, but he was very.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Much of the belief that his brother needed that.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And I think there are definitely situations in cases where
people do. Like my great grandma, my uncle became her
conservator at one point because she had fucking dementia and
she literally could not function and do all the shit.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
It's a pretty interesting topic and it definitely has gotten
me to think a lot, because there was a point
where I was considering, do I try to fucking take
some sort of control over my parents' lives so they
can live longer but still miserably, but not in the
type of misery they're choosing or they want.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, I feel like if maybe they were like, hey,
we're struggling, we recognize that this, we don't want to anymore,
then maybe taking over is different than Okay, you're not
ready to help yourself, but I'm gonna make you do it,
and then they're not gonna want to do it. So
I feel like there's a difference there too, and.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Then that person's rights are just poof gone. They lose
all their human rights. It's crazy, dude.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
We now go to Steven Glover.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Do you know who that is?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Steve O?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, that was Stephen Glover.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Had no idea. That is hilarious. That was just an
educated guess on my part because I know Steveo's involved.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
We see Steve O.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
He looks. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. He looks great.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
He does. He's like he really does. Now he's aged
nicely for all the shitt he did to himself, especially
you guys.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Sobriety generally looks pretty good on people. Although I have
some bones to pick with Steve O because he's on
the conservatorship side.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well, I wonder if he truly feels he's acting in
BAM's best interest, that he doesn't quite get who Lima is, Like,
I wonder that maybe he does, and maybe it's he's
a little more nefarious.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
King information is out there if you want to find
out who the fuck Lima is, type her name in
and you'll get different sides of the story. She's painted
in a very good light by a lot of reputable
people that should not be reputable people.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Which get into.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
He says that he's known Bam for over twenty years,
that Bam was already an established pro skateboarder when they
started Jackass. BAM's rich as fuck, and that's because he
was already famous for being a pro skateboarder and just
his crazy antics.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
His brother. This isn't in the documentary.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
This little side info was in the band's Ky Yourrky.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
That's the only one I know.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
But anyways, he was selling more skateboards than Tony Hawk.
Interesting Tony Hawk, who was like most famous skateboarder probably.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
In the world.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I don't know if he still is, you know, probably,
but he was at a very young age, super successful
and not into abusing substances that time.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Steve O was.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Unemployed, broke, he was homeless, CouchSurfing, just very much in
the throes of addiction of drugs and alcohol. And now
over twenty years later, he says, they've had almost a
total role reversal. We see Bam probably making an Instagram
video or whatever the kids are doing these days. Maybe
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it was on TikTok, the TikTok, I don't know. We
see video of Bam saying that Jackass has put him
through hell. Then in the next one he's crying, saying
that Jackass was everything to him, and he says, who
cares if I'm drunk or not. Well, alcoholics and drug
addicts tend to legal little havoc. I know from you know,
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first and secondhand experience. I'm not saying that he should
just be able to do whatever he wants, regardless of
that fucking with the production or not. Again, it's tricky shit,
but I don't think that anybody should just have all
of their fucking rights taken away because they're a drug
addict or an alcoholic.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Sorry no. And I do know that in.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
The past he was a fucking punk and violent, probably
fucking bashed people's head and shit with his skateboard. I
don't know exactly, but a lot of people's argument is, oh, whatever,
BAM's a dick, so he deserves it.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
And that's a scary world to live in, y'all.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I'm sure that maybe his I don't know, dickish behavior.
I don't want to say it can be explained away,
but do you know what I'm trying to mean?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You think a lot of it is maybe a result
of his substance abuse. When he's actually like a real asshole,
it's because he's fucked up and and that's not an
excuse or a justification, right, But addiction is a disease.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yes, it's he's not just being an asshole to be
an asshole.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
When he was a kid, he was like he was
then punk.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Was he famous then too? Okay? So maybe it was fame,
maybe it.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Was Yeah, because I believe this is from others horses
that before he was on Jackass, well, he was a
pro skateboarder. His brother was in c KY and him
and his friends would do like stupid stunts. He was
the fucking o G Jackass Okay, and like Steve O
and Johnny Knoxville, wero nobody and they needed Bam.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
For the show to be successful.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
But like I said, I think he's always been a dick. Well,
I mean, okay, we see how he treats his parents.
You know he's an ass we do.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
But when I knew who he was, I knew him
through Viva Obama Jackass. So I wasn't sure how much
of this is an act? Because there's a camera and
we were making a TV show, how much of it
is his true personality, how much of it is. I'm famous,
I'm young. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
And you guys, we're gonna do a whole episode on
BAM because now that we've done the intro to Amanda
rab episode, Oh.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, we gotta and I'll ties in.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
We've got a series coming.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, we'll definitely do a deeper dive into BAM because
this is some shit ass journalism.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Quote Air Air quotes, big journalism.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I just did a quick google because it was secondhand
info that he was violent when he was younger or whatever.
It does look like it without me getting into detail,
that he does have a history of some violence. So
don't love that, No, we don't. Everybody has a past,
and I'm not proud of everything at mine, even a
(26:42):
few weeks ago. So anyways, we'll definitely get into that.
In the episode about BAM, we're still with Steve O.
He says that he's been clean and sober for fifteen years,
and we see news clips saying that Bam was arrested
(27:05):
for being drunk in public unable to care for himself
in twenty twenty one. His family tried to do an
intervention and he resisted apparently, but then you see a
news story headline on the screen that says Bam Margera
arrested for trespassing after checking out of rehab. So they
(27:25):
tried for an intervention and apparently they did successfully get
him into rehab, but his resisting was him leaving because
he did not want to be sober.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And I don't think you should force that.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
On both well, and I know that after Ryan Dunn
died that they did jackass with he was in that
car accident, I think, and he was killed. That hit
him really hard, and like that's when a lot of
the drinking and drugs really kind of took off. So
if you're trying to hide that, if you're trying to
bury your grief and your pain, I could imagine him
(28:01):
not wanting to be sober. Dude.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's why the majority of addicts don't want to be sober.
It's because they have a lot of chit that they
don't want to feel because it's hard to feel sad things.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, it's hard. And I'm sure that you know when
you go into.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Rehab and Ryan was thirty four, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Young, and it was so sad, So I mean, yeah,
let's fucking bring in some shades of gray here, you know. Yeah,
So now we go back to the incredible journalist Beth Carris,
and she says, so his family turns to Hollywood entrepreneur
who's known for working in the addiction and recovery industry
(28:46):
and known for innovative treatments and her willingness to tackle
the toughest addictions.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
That's Lima's introu But okay, I can't even say words.
I'm just making just noises. Lima sits her fucking stupid
ass down in front of the camera. She says, I
started a small business called Aura, and I make software
(29:18):
that can be used on virtual reality headsets. And there's
clips saying that VR can heal depression and addiction.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I don't know if y'all know, but.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
VR exposure therapy can heal any addiction or mental illness.
It's pretty crazy. It's a kind of a cure.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
All It sounds like a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I've done Jurassic Park VR.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, is that cool?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It was, and it's not meant to be scary, but
they come at you, and I was scared. I did
another one where I was rock climbing.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Okay, I was on the.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Edge of a big cliff.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I knew that I wasn't the point being neither of
those are meant to be scary, right, and they terrified me.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I've never done VR, And then I.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Tried scary zombie ones and stuff and they actually are
so scary.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah. I've never done VR, so I'd have a hard
time picturing and thinking about what it would feel like.
But I imagine the idea is to have fun.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, yeah, the idea is to have fun. But they're like, Okay,
what is your worst nightmare? Great, we're going to put
you there.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It's going to be great. Your body, your body's going
to be tricked into feeling things.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
They say that it's been tested on veterans and super
popular population to test shit on.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, that's that doesn't seem right.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
We treat veterans really well here in the US. I'm
a fan, She says, Aura, Aura, Whatever is all about
data driven healing for people struggling with mental health issues.
Beth says that Lima wants to blend VR with traditional
treatment methods, and that the idea is that her software
(30:56):
can track a patience progress. So already this idea is
scarcely Yeah, who's programming the software that's tracking and deciding things, right,
That makes.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
All the difference.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So Lima is shown putting a patient into a VR
headset and says, Okay, we're going to put you in
a triggering environment. She says that they're tracking voice patterns,
behavioral patterns, biomarkers, and the patient is seen saying that
it's triggering and she's scared. Lima says that the software
(31:31):
can predict if someone is at risk for relapse or
of harming theirselves or someone else.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
And how is the software supposed to do that?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, I'm sorry what I feel.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Like that's the job of a therapist or any sort
of medical professional who can speak to someone and say,
you know what, they may be at risk for this behavior.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
In Lima's utopia, I'm in rehab, I say I'm feeling
really good, I got exit amount of time sober. I
take her test and the software says relapse risk, relapse.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Risk right in.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Then the deciding you know what I mean? Like this,
it's terrifying. Yeah, guys, yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
We're gonna do another episode soon on AI because I
was watching a video earlier about how you can.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Take a picture of your crush, throw.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Them in an AI app, and then look, you can
see y'all kissing. Oh, you can get them naked. Oh
you can make them dance. If your voice and whatever
info about you is uploaded to this one app, you
can role play with anybody you want and the AI
will have their voice, right, y'all. It is some wild shit,
(32:45):
and we're still like the very beginning days, I've been
saying Skynight is coming for like a year. I've been
telling you guys, we're.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Fuck all right, Yeah, it's it was gross.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
So she says this is used with vet's, people struggling
with addiction, people with severe mental illness.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Like I said, it's an amazing cure.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
All. I think we should all be very excited about
this future where this software can just heal everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Right, just instead of working on functioning in the real world,
just put on your VR headset and learn no skills
about the real world. That's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I just don't think that exposure therapy is the right
method for everybody, which is why there are literally probably
hundreds of different therapy modalities.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, I do several exposure therapy. I feel like has
its time and place, and I don't think that for addiction,
that that is one of them makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
What the fuck? Man?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Ah, I'm so scared.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I'm so scared from the Blair Witch projection.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yes, I'm like, what is that from? Like I know
that I know?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Okay, Kristin, you ready for this? Guess who we meet? Now?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
We've met Bam, We've met Bam, we've met Limat Lima.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
We've seen a clip of bj we've met Bess. Beth
is here, we've seen Steve.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Though, I'm gonna guess that we meet Mark.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Girl bing Dong Ding, bing Dong Dingya, I don't bing
dong ding. That's the literally I've seen inside out multiple
times and I every fucking time bing Bong doesn't make
it out. Oh my yeah, it's and even let's move on.
I can't talk about it, Okay, yes, and we go.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah it's hard.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So now we go to sunny Los Angeles, California. They're
not trying to do a hit job on Mark, but
I think that's this clip is fairy telling of who
Mark is. We meet photographer Mark Lata, who if you
listened to the episode on Amanda Rab you will know
who they are just pause.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Go listen to it.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But all so it's kind of spoilies, So I don't know.
He says that he used to drive down skid Row
and see the homeless people, not people experiencing homelessness, and
he would think, get a fucking job. Come on, that's
a quote direct.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Quote, that's the clip that they played of him.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
But then he says, which I wonder, if you think
these people are such fucking scum that you should just
get a fuck job, why would you get a studio
on skid Row to start taking portraits of these people.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
And exploiting them.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Oh, because you don't give a fuck, and you're an
exploitative creep. You fu face.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
You're good.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I have feelings. I have feelings about you. You're good.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, he's gross, but.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
He's like a wolf in sheep's clothes. He is.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Because remember we talked about this the first time, that
you were like sent me all these videos. You're like,
watch these, these are what you need to check out.
And I'm watching it and I'm like, I don't really get it.
He seems what's her problem? I don't. And then the
more I watched, the more I was like oh, and.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm like wow right here when he does this and
you're like, oh shit.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
It starts off and you're like, okay, he's trying to
tell these people's stories. He's trying to give him a voice.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
And he's a piece of garbage.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
He is. And I would have assumed, oh, he's probably
trying to help them. He's not.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
He gives them twenty to forty dollars for an interview
and then makes the thousands off of the revenue from
their interview.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah. He slides in there and you think okay, and
if you don't pay too close attention, you may miss
some of the signs. And it's he's so gross.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So many of the people that he interviews are intoxicated
in some form, and you can't consent to an interview
that's going to be seen by potentially hundreds of thousands
of people under the influence.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
That's not cool. And with a company subscribers.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
This isn't in the documentary because, like I said, I
don't think they're trying to make Mark look bad. I
just thought it was funny though, because they kind of
did by, you know, get a fucking job.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Come on, dude, even if like you seem like a
great guy.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Now, like, that's still not not a good look.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Okay. He has six point two one million subscribers on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Oh, he's growing all the time. Last time I checked
it was five point something.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, I'm like, I need to check this real quick.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Which is why I'm really passionate about exposing Mark. Do
I think he's the worst person in the world. No?
Do I think he's purposely being super nefarious? No? E.
Do I think what he's doing is incredibly fucked up
but getting a ton of positive attention?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yes, and I don't like that. I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, not enough people are talking about it. Talk about
it more.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Morning.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
He said he got a studio on skid Row and
would do portraits of these people, and you know, as
he got to know them, he realized they had very
different stories.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
What does that mean? Of course they did.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Everybody has a different fucking story. Me and Kristen have
a very different fucking story because we're people. What do
you yeah? Okay, thank you captain obvious.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
He says that he has a YouTube channel called Soft
White Underbelly where he interviews drug addicts, not people you
know experiencing substance abuse issues, which might be the verbiage
you would use if you were working with his population.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I don't think he sees them as people.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
No, no drug dealers, gang members, sex workers, pimps. I
thought it was funny he did use sex workers here
in this interview, but all of his interviews with sex
workers are like prostitute as rees.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yes, it's always head.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Whore Sarah or whatever, Sorry Sarah, love you Sarah's. But
that's not how he words his fucking videos.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, it's gross clickbait.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Somebody's gonna click crack addicted prostitute over sex workers struggling
with addiction sketch here, I'll admit, but it's the buzzwords.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Technical, but it's the buzzwords. It's the search what pops.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Up in Google CEO search engine optimization. Yeah, I actually
saw this on another YouTube video. There are a few
YouTubers trying to expose Mark, but it's very few. And
he shows an interview with Mark, or maybe a clip
where Mark is interviewing somebody else. Oh, it's a clip
(39:17):
where Mark is interviewing a pimp. And hey, I mean
I think it would be an interesting person to talk
to what is what's your fucking deal?
Speaker 3 (39:25):
What made you decide to sex traffic people?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
How did you get into this lifestyle? What did you
want to be when you grew up?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Oh, by the way, you guys, the Player's Ball is real.
It's an annual pimp awards. I'm not kidding you, that's right,
the award Pimp of the Year.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
This is real.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Can you look up the requirements?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Like what, like, how do you get in? How do
you I think you have to be a pimp or
a you know quote?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Ho like, I'm not how do you get nominated?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
What are the stats?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Honestly, we should probably do a deeper dive because I'm curious.
Mark has been invited. I don't know if you went,
but he's been invited.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
To the Player's Ball.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
He's beloved amongst the pimp community.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
That is wild.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
He's interviewing this pimp, and the pimp casually says, in
a joking manner that you have to hit black women
to keep them in line. Mark laughs, Oh yeah, that's.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Perfect right, those crazy bitches.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I meant so unless you put this back down.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Oh my god, hilarious.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
We're talking about minority vulnerable sex trans fine and I'm
getting abused.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
It's okay because they're not real people. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I love it. I love it. I love it, I
love it, I love it. I love it so much
that I can't talk about any more of it today.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
We have to stop.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
The binge or busts tend to be lengthy because this
is an hour long episode.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
We got to break it down beat by beat.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
And we have a lot of shit to say about
this because everything's wrong and it's terrible. So we will
be back for part two of the Curious Case of
Bam Margera.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
The id hot garbage.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Piece of shit, piece of shit documentary episode, docuseries.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Episode I guess Yes.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
In the meantime, if you have not listened to the
Amanda rab episode, I repeat, go back and listen. I'll
put that episode link in the show notes. Also, I
recommended a Binger Buss that I thought people should, oh,
the Free Britney. Wait, that wasn't a Binger Bust. That
was just an episode the Kai Oh. If you want
to hear a bing or bust, if you want to
(41:43):
hear another example of a terrible documentary. And then I
actually do have a lot of documentaries that I reviewed
that I thought word incredible, and I said you should
watch that instead.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
But if you want to.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Hear about another really bad one, Kay the hatchet wielding Hitchhiker.
But yeah, I'm definitely going to because it's behind the
Patreon wall right now, re release the episode on Britney
Spears and her conservatorship.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Honestly, it's pretty crazy. If I know is I.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Want to say it's episode seventy three.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I'm gonna check I would believe you, because I sure.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Not totally is.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Oh my god, that's crazy that I know that.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
What the fun is crazy?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, but it was episode seventy three, Free Brittany, The
Life and Abusive Conservatorship of Britney Spears. I will re
release that because this one is about BAM's conservatorship somewhat
someone That one's about Britney's conservatorship, and like Britney said,
he or like Bam said, he's the Brittany of Jackass.
(42:43):
So make sure to listen to those episodes and in
the meantime, listen to those episodes. Then I will see
you next week. I don't know what you thought, Kristen,
but I thought that was actually I didn't.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Think it was real as fuck. I think it was.
It was real fucked up.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
But it was real fucked up. It was for sure.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Because it was terrible.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Investigation Discovery.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, well I think that they own TLC. I think, yeah,
that sounds the worst. It's the worst channel. Wait, no,
they're owned by Warner Brothers. Discovery. Oh my god, they've
everything has merged.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
But the yeah, it's yeah, it's all I think the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Oh, you guys the media.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I mean, that's a whole other episode.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
But if you're like, why is TLC hot garbage? Another suggestion,
go back and listen to that So Fucked Up Presents
season about shiny happy people and Christian fundamentalism.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Lots of examples about TLC.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Ah, there's a whole fucking episode about TLC and how
it's an awful, awful, awful network, just terrible, terrible content,
horribly abusive to everyone, crazy exploited.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Of It's it's not ethical, you guys, listen. I'm not
throwing shade because I have.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Watched a lot of TLC in my day before I
knew and maybe a little bit.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
After, so I'm not it's hard. I'm not shaming you guys.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Okay, they make drama worthy television. Sometimes you just have
to you have to watch sometimes just to get us.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Sometimes it's like a train wreck. Yes and can look
it's it's not. I don't know you guys. We'll see
you next time. T s if thepodcast dot com is
where you can find everything. You can play bingo with us,
which I always forget to introduce.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
You can find our.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Social media all that Patreon, check us out and we'll
see you next time. Bye, bye.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Job so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
It's just
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