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Ash and research assistant Erin Collins recap the FIRST episode of the FINAL SEASON The Curious Case of Natalia Grace (TCCoNG)!
"Desperate to escape her controlling adoptive parents, Natalia turns to Vince and Nicole DePaul, her last hope for freedom." - IMDb
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Ash and research assistant Erin Collins recap the FIRST episode of the FINAL SEASON The Curious Case of Natalia Grace (TCCoNG)!
"Desperate to escape her controlling adoptive parents, Natalia turns to Vince and Nicole DePaul, her last hope for freedom." - IMDb
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yeah, well, you know, she's been through a lot of trauma,
so of course there are gonna be behavioral issues. That
feels like you're talking about a dog man, right, I
just I don't know, and you know, it could have
totally been taken out of context. I just just don't
feel like anybody treats her just like a fucking human being,
just this thing with problems. I'm just imagining hearing that
(00:21):
about me and how much that would fucking hurt. Right,
It's like, well, you know, she will probably come with
some behavioral issues.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, fuck yah a little motherfucker. That is so fucked up.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It's fucked up, so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It is just so damn fuck. That's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Hey, guys, welcome back to That's So Fucked Up, a
podcast about things that make you.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Say that's so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Uh huh. Third times a charm.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We just after the first two because it was just
all blooper real material and.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Sometimes, you know, you guys, you just got to say, hey,
let's take it from the tap A one two.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I am your host, Ashley Love Richards, and I'm today
once again joined by one of our fantastic research assistants,
it's kind of funny. I didn't really plan for you
or Kristen to become regular co hosts.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It just worked out really well that way. So Aaron,
please introduce yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I'm Aaron Collins, research assistant and co host, I guess,
one of the co hosts.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And she had oatmeal for breakfast and I've had for breakfast.
We've had a lot of fun technical issues today and
made Aaron describe to me like three fucking times what
she had for breakfast.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oatmeal is just not a whole lot to say.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
There's not much to say about oatmeal.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
No, but you know what there is a lot to
say about is this fucking show, curious case of Natel
Grace and my love hate relationship with it, which has
always actually been hate because I covered the second.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Season last year, as you recall, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
For the course of six episodes, did a binger bus
painstakingly broke down every single episode, and then when they
got to the end and they were like, and next season,
fucking kidding me, get the fuck out of here. But
I'm probably gonna blow your mind because I think I
d might have not done something.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Also, first, Beth Carris carass whatever. Anything that I say
is just my opinion and not fact. How do I
cover my ass legally?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Everything we say is our opinion.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I think we're good, Okay, so it's my opinion that
they're not great journalists or documentary producers.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I have not changed my mind about Beth. Also, fun fact,
Beth is real good friends with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It always fucking all connects, and actually it really fucking
does because when I actually realized at the end of
this episode what Natalia's case is kind of about.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
It blew my fucking mind because I was like, it's
all the same shit.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So I did not watch the first season because I
was not going to like waste my time on that
fucking garbage.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Cover the second season because you know, I might have
watched the first season. I think that I actually did,
so that season two would have context.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
But Natalia did she speak in that one?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm trying to remember. I want to say she yeah.
I want to say she did, but I don't think
she was as prominent. I'm trying to remember. There were
so many episodes.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
No, no, no, no, she did it. Natalia was not
in the first season.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
It was interviews mostly with Okay, Michael and the Sun.
That's right, Okay, if you want to go back and
listen to the episode. I didn't cover the first season
because I had already covered Natalia's story right in depth
and did an update whenever new news came out about her,
And I did watch the first season, but.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I didn't cover it because Natalia wasn't in it, and
I probably wouldn't have watched the second season if Natalia
wasn't in it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And then fucking Gypsy Rose her documentary came out on
Lifetime at the same time, and it was both of
their first times speaking publicly for themselves. Right Ever, that's
why they were really important for me to cover, not
because I mean it was actually kind of cool for
like statistics stats wise, not so great for my mental
(04:30):
health covering Gypsy and Natalia in depth.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
At the same time, right, Yeah, it was a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
But they had always had their fucking stories told for
them and been super victim blamed, so I just really
really wanted to cover it. It's like, you know, I wanted
them to be heard in their own voices, so I
retold their stories, you know. Yeah, So I'm not going
to give the whole rundown of the case sets too much.
But I did post the original episode about Natalia, and
(04:59):
it has updates and all you need to know to
get caught up to season two. And then I put
season two. Instead of in six episodes, I put it
into three. You're welcome, you guys. Hey, this season is
only four episodes, and I don't think that it needs
to be broken down fucking scene by scene because it's
id and it doesn't deserve it. But I will say
(05:20):
I do think that they might have actually not planned
a three part or three season documentary to start.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I don't think they did either. I agree with you
one use that's.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
What they said, but I'm always inclined to question, especially them.
I don't think that it's real important to break down
this four episode documentary beat by beat, because it's like, oh,
Beth is talking shit, and uh, you know, it's it's
easier to summarize. But I'll tell you what, I am
going to be reading Michael's quotes in a dramatic reenactment.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Because I'd be doing myself a disservice and every member
of this team if I didn't perform.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
That a lot of it, you really would we all
need it.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Guys, if you didn't listen to season two, Michael is Wow.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
He is something.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
He's that is like the only fucking word. Seriously.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I do think that he has strong emotions and has
a hard time controlling them. I do also think he's
a fucking motherfucker liar.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I do have sympathy for Michael because he was a
victim as well, but he was also a perpetrator because
he fucking stood by and watched it happen and then
constantly tries to gaslight Natalia.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yes, yes, well we're both victims of Christine.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Oh whoa whoah boo booooo.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I feel like that's fucked up that I said that
because he was a victim of her, and I don't
want to discount the dynamics at play when there is
somebody being abused and take.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
The kids out of the equation. If it was just
Michael and Christine and he was saying that this is
how she treated him.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
But there were kids in the equation, So okay, yeah,
I yeah, that's where I kind of like, hmm, and
you could have done something.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You watched her fucking get right, exactly, came home to
find her facing a wall, having soiled herself because she'd
been forced to stand there for eight hours. And she
has a very severe form of Dwarfism, which makes it
basically impossible or at least very very hard to do
(07:22):
most everyday tasks.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Everything that we fucking take fird rate granted.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And you put her in an apartment by herself and
abandon her. So I'm sorry, I'm oh.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And before that, you don't get her the surgeries that
she like, yes, literally fucking me yes to walk.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That actually leads us into this episode because it's so
fun how history kind of repeats itself.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I love that. I'm a fan, real big fan.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Do you remember who Natalia was living with last tell
me Time pop quiz?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
She was living with the Man's who are who are? Well?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
They were Cynthia and Antoine Man's.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
They adopted her at the end of the last season, right,
And he was a he was a pre Was he
a preacher? Pastor?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
A pastor?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yes, they started.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Their own church in twenty fifteen. Okay, they have been
called a cult by myself. And you know the friends
in my kitchen that I talked to about.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
The people in the fucking documentary are like, yeah, that's
a cult, they straight up say, because it's they do. Sorry,
But whenever any one fucking family or person is like
I'm gonna go start my own church, writing.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, that's usually a cult, I think.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I agree. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Look, we could get into the fucking weeds about cults
and whatnot, but what makes a cult dangerous is if
there's an authoritarian leader who is controlling in a coercive
so controlling through fear or manipulation or well, I guess
just controlling. It's like, yeah, great, so let people live
their lives and if they fucking sin, then I don't know,
(09:10):
they'll pay for it. Actually, me and this guy we
came to a really nice conclusion that he thought, essentially
that I was going to hell if I don't accept
Jesus into my heart. How he summed it up was
and you think I'm weak minded and need a crutch
to get through life. And I said, eh, you guys,
if religion is helpful to you, I'm like, don't want
to throw shade at all.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I mean, he fucking said I was going to hell,
and I was like, well that's cool if that's what
you think.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Okay, But we were both able to agree on the
fact that it's not religion that's the problem or the Bible,
it's more like churches and the people who run them
usually because when you think about it, a church is
often just like a cult of personality, because that pastor
or whatever type of person, that's just one fucking person's
(09:54):
interpretation of that scripture.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yes, and that.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Just seems very fucking what I know from the Bible,
that seems very anti Bible. One of the first lessons,
no false idols. Okay, God doesn't like that. I'm gonna
call false idol on Bishop and twine Man's it's very
much the vibes of it. Takes two with the Olcent
Twins from nineteen ninety five, where one of them has to.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh my god, creepy. I just looked up the plot
on Wikipedia. Nine year old orphan Amanda Lemon is.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Being sought after by the butt skis, a reclusive and
secretive family known to collect kids via adoption.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That's a nice plot for And it's a kid's movie.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Right, It's an Olsen Twins movie. Yeah, I feel like
I'm reading a fucking horror right, collect kids the fuck
blahbity blah the butt Skis.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
So basically she ends up getting fucking taken by the
butt Skis taken and Liam Neeson is not in this movie.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
He's not coming to save.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Just fucking Steve Suttenberg and he's not kicking ass the
way William is. You know.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So basically I think it's a social worker or something
finds out that the reason the butt Skis adopt so
many kids is so that they can have them work
in their salvage yards as slaves.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That is exactly what it fucking says on Wikipedia. Okay,
I just want to say that that is what the fuck.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Shady movies we made back then.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Jesus, Oh my god, I think we should have a
movie night and what it takes to.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
That could be our first movie.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So basically they say that Natalia has been adopted by
the Man's family and they've just been totally fucking exploiting her.
The Man's called the executive producer of the documentary shortly
after they were there, and that's.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
How it ended, right, And that was like yeah, it
was like, oh my gosh, that's why they were having
a nice season.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They were like, oh, you know, we want you to
come get her and put her in an apartment. Blah
blahlah blah.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, so turns out.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
That Natalia met a dude online who has experienced more
of the world than being traffic by the Barnett's and
the Man's. I feel like that's kind of what it is.
She's been fucking passed around and taken the problem.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
One horrible situation to another horrible situation.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, the Man's fucking totally bought their goddamn farm with
Natalia's money. She doesn't have a dime to her name
as of this episode. The fucking adoptive family, you know what,
I'm gonna call them the butt Skis. Okay, Yes, there's
the butt Skis from here on, Yes, okay, because yeah,
they have a ton of kids that they foster and adopt.
(12:38):
Right and tell me that's not for the fucking check
and for your goddamn cult. Oh you know who's a
good captive audience, The fucking captive.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Ones in front of you.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
You guys been to have a whole fucking episode one
day about CPS Child Protective Services. And it's not all
of the agencies they are run by different people or whatever,
but a lot a lot of corruption and just like
child trafficking, it's cute.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Don't trust the government what.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
So?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Anyways, the Buttskis find out about this boyfriend who's putting
all these ideas in Natalia's head that maybe they're controlling
her and exploiting her and doing exactly what they are doing.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
But how old is she now? Isn't she in her
twenties by now twenty two?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
We believe she's yeah, maybe twenty.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I think oy cares if she meets a boy online,
that's what you do.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I wonder how old Gypsy was when she met the
dude online?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
She was? I think she was eighteen, wasn't she? I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I have to check real quickly. No, Nick is his name?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yes, I was like I want to say she was.
It's seventeen or eighteen.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Born in ninety one and the murd happened twenty fifteen,
so she was twenty four.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's what a lot of people don't understand is that
they were not only victimized as children, both Natalia and Gipsy,
but they were continued to be control and held captive
into their adulthoods Right, this family, now that we met
last season, they seem like a very kind family and
(14:09):
Jesus fucking Christ.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
If a reality crew followed.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Me around and an editor wanted to make me look
literally any way they wanted to, like they fucking could,
I would consider this almost more reality TV than fucking documentary.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
But do you remember when she was meeting with Michael
and they were having they were trying to meet with
each other, and he came with her and he was
being like, really, do you remember that and how he
was acting, and even.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
At the time it was very confrontational, Yes he was,
and he was very like, don't.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Cuss around my daughter.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yes, I don't even think he even said I think
he's like damn or something. It wasn't even anything over
the top.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Maybe it was hell, maybe that would like it was
something religiously.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
But he came in there like super hot, try to
start something.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And even at the time, you know he's a Natalia's protector. Yeah,
the butt Skis are her fucking savior. So they fucking
find out about this dude. I don't know if they
rehearsed it a bunch and she felt coerced into saying it,
But the way that she is being interviewed, the executive
(15:24):
producer is like so what's going on? Like I thought
everything was all crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Here she says this whole thing about how she wants
to give a message out there to all young women
to be careful about falling in love because she almost
left her family for a dude. It's like, well, yeah,
you're fucking twenty, right, Cool, that's probably good. And it
was very much one or the other. She was like,
I almost walked away from them, and it fucking is.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Dude, She's totally totally captive.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
And it sounded rehearsed like they made her say that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
From what we learn later when she's texting with this.
We met them in the last season.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The de Paul's, So basically Natalia gets into contact with
and it's very fucking sketchy.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It's like all on the DL through this messaging app
that I don't know, does something crazy change his phone
numbers every time or something weird like that. Oh my god,
if that's what it is, that's really scary.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I don't technologies, I don't know, guys, I don't know
about it. So the DePaul's who we met last season.
They were going to adopt Natalia at one point. They
are also the parents are little people as well, and
they really understand the fact that Natalia has.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Been not only by the Barnetts now.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
But has not been getting any of the fucking medical
care that she needs. Right there are scheduled surgeries and shit,
it's not willy nilly. And so she told Lady de Paul, Nicole,
I believe, but we don't need to get in the weeds.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
With all that, Okay, Lady de Paul.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
She said that she hasn't gotten any of her surgeries,
so she's just in pain.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
All the time that she is stuck there. She's trapped
and basically land this fucking escape. The DePaul's get plane tickets.
They fucking hire a driver because like it's it's a
fucking this is a getaway, like a kidnapping escape.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
They're gonna smuggle her out, yes, really.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yes, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They go and Natalia's like, all right, so we go
to church here at this time on this night, I'm
gonna come out at seven o five. So they're there waiting,
gets way past seven o five. Then this guy comes.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Up and he's like, Hey, what's what's going on? What
he was up to? You know?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And they're like, fuck, they're super nervous because she's saying,
you know, there's a chance if we don't get Natalia
right now, that we may never forget to fucking see
her or talk to her again.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
She said something like, yeah, well, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
She's been through a lot of trauma, so of course
there are gonna be behavioral issues. That feels like you're
fucking talking about a dog man, right. I just I
don't know, and you know, it could have totally been
taken out of context. I just just don't feel like
anybody treats her just like a fucking human being, just
this thing with problems. I'm just imagining hearing that about
(18:10):
me and how much that would fucking hurt. Right, It's like, well,
you know, will probably come with some behavioral issues.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, fuck yah, little motherfucker. That would fucking put me
into behavioral issues right there.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
It's just just never ceases to amaze me how there
doesn't seem to be anybody around this woman who gives
a flying fuck and I don't understand it. Oh and
I'm talking to you, Hulu. Yeah, we'll fucking get to
that in a minui.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Fucks Ooh oh my god, I got hot right now.
I just got hot and bothered, because that is why
I decided to cover this season, you guys, because because
of Hulu, and I will get there in one second,
because I got just I'm gonna wrap this up. So basically,
they are, they're there and they're waiting. Natalia does arrive,
they get her, they're race off.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Oh you're gonna love this too.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
This fucking Also, Cynthia is blowing up Natalia's phone.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's a lady, buttsky great, Cynthia man.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Natalia's texting her back, I'm so sorry and I really
love you, but I have to do this, blah blah blah.
And then it cuts to an interview with JD Vance
and he goes, you haven't even said thank you to us.
Oh no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I know.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It cut to Lady de Paul and she said, I
don't even know why she was saying I love you
and stuff to her.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I just rescued you. You get fucking how Jade Vance
that was or was that too advanced? Like heavy on
the sarcasm? You got what I was saying?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I got it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
She literally is like, I don't understand why she would
be texting Cynthia this stuff about I love you and stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Because she does love Cynthia. Cynthia's been a fucking mom.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
That's all she knows, for better or worse, for years.
Like that's what she knows. And she feels she's gonna
still love her and she's gonna feel guilt.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Oh I just I fucking oh my god.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
You know, once somebody fucking rescues you, you got her fucking
oh your goddamn life to them. Every little ounce of
respect gratitude that you can muster and show in any
way at any kind time, should be fucking always there.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And I just feel that fucking weight on Natalia so much.
It's like, what are you bringing to the table besides
all your issues?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, fuck you guys. She's away from the man's now,
which is good.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
From a very quick scan of a People article, this
article is titled inside Natalian Grace's new life with family
of Little People in New York quote, it is definitely
a blessing to be alive. Apparently she is happier with them,
and that would make sense because the butt skis were
a fucking nightmare. One of the first questions Cynthia asks is,
(20:53):
so are you still going to be getting your money,
like are we still going to.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Be your payee or whatever?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's like the second third question she asked, besides where
are you?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
So we don't really care that you're gone, We just
want your money.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And then Lady DePaul gets fucking pissed off that Natalia
doesn't know that she needs money to live and what
are they just gonna pay for everything?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
And Natalia doesn't know any better, She doesn't know, she
doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
They show an interview of her like twenty fourteen or something,
and she's fucking genuinely a child, Yeah, that had been
fucking called an adult and left to survive on her own.
You can fucking tell so much in that video that
is a child? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And this is when it all fucking came back round
to me.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
The whole thing now is whoever is Natalia's guardian or conservatore?
Ring a bell? Anybody Hello ding ding ding, Amanda rab E, Margera,
Britney Spear's uh Lima Jimovich to call it to Golly
six alias bitch.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I just I did not put those dots together at
all because I started looking into Amana Rab's case. I
think May of last year or something, and I didn't
really even start getting deep into the conservatorship stuff and
trying to figure out what the fuck all of that
was about for a little while after. So when they
said guardianship today and who would get the fucking Natalia's money,
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I was like, dude, it's another fucking situation of people saying, oh,
you can't take care of yourself, even though Natalia actually
does need people who will take care of her and
also let her keep her fucking money.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Right, but she does need assistance.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Do you think the de palm is high de Paul's.
Do you think that they're coming from a place that's
helped to help her because they are doing situation? Do
you know what I mean? And they're actually trying I do.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I do think they genuinely care about her, you know
the uh daddy to Paul.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Lady and daddy God, he's very hesitant about it. Hey, yes,
she was a very sweet girl when we met her
fourteen years ago. Also, she's been through a lot since
then and behavioral issues or whatever they're like.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And we can't ignore the fact that, you know, she
was accused of all of this, all of these things.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm like, can you can't. I don't know. Oh, also,
Cynthia said something.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Cynthia Lady Butts, said something to Natalia about don't act
mental or something like that. Very much fucking because I
can throw you in a goddamn institution because.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I'm your guardian.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, that's just what you can do. If you're somebody's guardian.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You're like, they're not fit to take care of themselves,
And the court agreed with me. I can't even take
care of myself, but I can make all their decisions.
I will say this is not the blanket statement that
they're not necessary.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I do think there are cases. I'm definitely not putting
that down, but when they are used to exploit people,
which seems to be I don't know a pattern I'm
recognizing for people famous and not. Natalia wasn't famous before
all this shit. You know, she was just a little
girl trying to find a fucking home and some parents.
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So that's the end of episode one.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Do you want to talk about the Hulu? Yes, I
real quick hacking ILU.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I was pretty on the fence about covering this third season,
and actually, honestly, I'm glad that I didn't judge a
book by its cover, which would have been, Oh, it's
ID squeezing a third season out.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That's fucking some exploited of garbage.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I'm glad that I didn't jump on that train, because
while I still do think they're absolutely exploiting Natalia always,
it seems like they really did help facilitate her getting
away from the butt skis good news, yes, but I
decided that I fucking had to cover the final season
because I needed to know exactly where the fuck we
(25:10):
were with everything and have some fresh content up about
this shit, because I saw it within like the first
two hours, but then within the fucking.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
First twenty four hours. This preview how two point five
million views on YouTube? It's for a show that Netflix
or a Hulu is putting out called Good American Family
premieres on March nineteenth. Did you watch the fucking you
watched it? Tell me, tell me your initials, Send it.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
To me A gross I felt gross, disgusting, right yes, absolutely,
Fuck you.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Ellen Pompeo. And I know so many people just went,
what I love the mammy watching right now? That's fine.
I also watched TV. I admit that to y'all. Fuck
this shit, this is this is such a goddamn hack job. Also,
and I love him.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Oh yeah, it's I just lost his name and I
loved less. Yes, and I love him and I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Mmm, have you seen creep? Yes, that's what I mean
Session nine?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Wait have you seen it?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh my god, y'all, that is a fucking callback. Hey,
what's up?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Old time listeners or newer listeners who fucking were like,
fuck yeah? And then when binge the whole catalog, you know,
you know what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
He just came out with creep tapes a series.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh my god, shut the fuck up. Yes, what how
are you just telling me this?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I didn't know you were a fan, or I would
have told you forever ago.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Wait, I didn't know that we had never just got
I fucking love creep, dude. It's one of the oh
my god, pet creepy creeps.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's not as good, it's not as it's not. It's
pretty good though, for as you know, you guys seriously
fucking so slept On agreed.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
They made it for like couple grand or something. I
don't know, probably means twenty thousand or something. But it's
so good, you guys, so.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
For Halloween, they came up with creep tapes in their
half hour long episodes of Just Where It's On shutters
you but he's so many good Well, you know I
have shudder because all I watch is horror.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
So you you're a horror horror. Yeah, that's right, You're
a horror for horror.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Hey, Hulu is a fucking horror for hit jobs.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yes, And oh my god, I love honestly it was
probably a fucking cousin of one of the goddamn producers
and some shit because I said in a comment, by
the way, if you've ever commented on literally anywhere or
messaged me anywhere and I haven't gotten back to you,
I'm so fucking sorry. Just blanket fucking apology to everybody.
I don't know why. I don't know what's wrong with
(28:01):
me that it's so hard for me to open messages
that I know will be nice. But I can, oh,
if I'm in the mood, I will fucking scroll the
comments and just.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Oh, really, motherfucker, that's what you think. So I had
an opinion about this, of course, you know, I'm like,
this is gonna be an absolute fucking hack job. This
is so unethical.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
This is going to have serious repercussions on someone's life
who is still very much in she's fucking she's twenty,
She's been trafficked and victimized her entire fucking life. She
just got out of a goddamn cult. She's trying to
get her shit together. And then Meredith Gray and Creep.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Mark disappointed in you, Mark Duplos fucking motherfucker. But oh
my god, you guys, you can just fucking tell I'm
sure they oh put a little bit of doubt in
your mind if the uh Barnett's are total liars. And
then I had two or three people comment back to
me being like, where, I'm sorry, but where does this say?
This is a documentary, has that it's a drama, so
(28:59):
obviously not everything's gonna be true. People were mad at
me for saying that the way that this show was
produced was obviously unethical and painting a very biased, unfair picture.
People love to root for the bad guy, y'all. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Hulu also produced The Act Right, which was about Gypsy
Rose Blanford.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
And I actually watched that. I did too, but Gypsy
later said that she was not a fan, and they
didn't approach her. I'm sure as shit they didn't fucking
approach Natalia because she hasn't had access to the goddamn
world because she's been in a fucking cult with the
butt skis. That's that's that. On that, y'all. I will
cover episode two, three, and four, probably do that. I'll
(29:42):
think it two more. So stay tuned for that, guys,
so you don't have to go give id your views.
I got you. In my opinion, I still hate Beth Carris.
She fucking sucks. Literally, this woman.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Nothing that she says ever adds any substance anything good
to the fucking conversation.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I'm just like, why are you here except for to annoy.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Me and ask stupid fucking questions and get some answers.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
That was gonna be a little mermaid, but my voice
not go there, so I had to abandon. I had
to abort ship, which.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Is you know what it's time to do that anyways,
because it is eleven o'clock on the Eastern United States,
it's all New York to me, all of Eastern Whenever
I hear Eastern Standard Time, I'm like, cool New York,
Like that's.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
That is where you are. It's nine o'clock Mountain time,
so either way, intense, it's time to fucking what are
you gonna? What are you gonna Paltte cleanse.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
With creep tapes?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah? You know I sleep watching horror stuff, so I.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So want to download it now.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Thank you so much to the patrons who have stuck around.
I know that it's really tough economic times right now, y'all, and.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Some of you have reached out to me with very
sweet messages explaining that it's not me, it's you or
the economy, you know, And that's been so fucking kind,
and so all of you who have been able to
stick around, I appreciate it so much.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And anybody who has had to leave or you know,
just has hasn't been able to swing it, or you know,
has it been super compelled. Thank you for listening, because
the fucking downloads help. And if you could just tell
a friend or five. I don't have five friends, but
if you do, you should tell five, just as many
as you know. Tell them about the show and leave
a rating and a review. We just got five hundred
(31:32):
stars on Apple. That's pretty exciting.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yeah, hey, hey, it's four point five, so I don't
know y'all out there.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Leaven two and one stars are, but.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
They're probably not listening anymore because they're probably were just
like you hate you, and then or they were like you,
I hate you, and then they kept hate listening.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Because that's it.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I'm subscribed to Mark Leata, I know, like I'm subscribed
to Soft White Underbelly because I want to see what
the fuck that motherfucker's putting out right, and that is
a whole other day and story, you know, good night
and good luck.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
So tired, stay off the internet. Yes that was uh,
that was real as fun.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
That was real fucked up, real fucked up. Stop real
fucked up.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Stop fucking exploiting victims who have just only been exploited and.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Fucking abused over and over and over. Stop doing that,
id stop it.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Fucked up, got job so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's just
Yeah, well, you know, she's been through a lot of trauma,
so of course there are gonna be behavioral issues. That
feels like you're talking about a dog man, right, I
just I don't know, and you know, it could have
totally been taken out of context. I just just don't
feel like anybody treats her just like a fucking human being,
just this thing with problems. I'm just imagining hearing that
(00:21):
about me and how much that would fucking hurt. Right,
It's like, well, you know, she will probably come with
some behavioral issues.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, fuck yah a little motherfucker. That is so fucked up.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It's fucked up, so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It is just so damn fuck. That's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Hey, guys, welcome back to That's So Fucked Up, a
podcast about things that make you.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Say that's so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Uh huh. Third times a charm.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We just after the first two because it was just
all blooper real material and.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Sometimes, you know, you guys, you just got to say, hey,
let's take it from the tap A one two.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I am your host, Ashley Love Richards, and I'm today
once again joined by one of our fantastic research assistants,
it's kind of funny. I didn't really plan for you
or Kristen to become regular co hosts.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It just worked out really well that way. So Aaron,
please introduce yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I'm Aaron Collins, research assistant and co host, I guess,
one of the co hosts.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And she had oatmeal for breakfast and I've had for breakfast.
We've had a lot of fun technical issues today and
made Aaron describe to me like three fucking times what
she had for breakfast.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oatmeal is just not a whole lot to say.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
There's not much to say about oatmeal.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
No, but you know what there is a lot to
say about is this fucking show, curious case of Natel
Grace and my love hate relationship with it, which has
always actually been hate because I covered the second.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Season last year, as you recall, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
For the course of six episodes, did a binger bus
painstakingly broke down every single episode, and then when they
got to the end and they were like, and next season,
fucking kidding me, get the fuck out of here. But
I'm probably gonna blow your mind because I think I
d might have not done something.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Also, first, Beth Carris carass whatever. Anything that I say
is just my opinion and not fact. How do I
cover my ass legally?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Everything we say is our opinion.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I think we're good, Okay, so it's my opinion that
they're not great journalists or documentary producers.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I have not changed my mind about Beth. Also, fun fact,
Beth is real good friends with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It always fucking all connects, and actually it really fucking
does because when I actually realized at the end of
this episode what Natalia's case is kind of about.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
It blew my fucking mind because I was like, it's
all the same shit.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So I did not watch the first season because I
was not going to like waste my time on that
fucking garbage.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Cover the second season because you know, I might have
watched the first season. I think that I actually did,
so that season two would have context.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
But Natalia did she speak in that one?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm trying to remember. I want to say she yeah.
I want to say she did, but I don't think
she was as prominent. I'm trying to remember. There were
so many episodes.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
No, no, no, no, she did it. Natalia was not
in the first season.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
It was interviews mostly with Okay, Michael and the Sun.
That's right, Okay, if you want to go back and
listen to the episode. I didn't cover the first season
because I had already covered Natalia's story right in depth
and did an update whenever new news came out about her,
And I did watch the first season, but.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I didn't cover it because Natalia wasn't in it, and
I probably wouldn't have watched the second season if Natalia
wasn't in it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And then fucking Gypsy Rose her documentary came out on
Lifetime at the same time, and it was both of
their first times speaking publicly for themselves. Right Ever, that's
why they were really important for me to cover, not
because I mean it was actually kind of cool for
like statistics stats wise, not so great for my mental
(04:30):
health covering Gypsy and Natalia in depth.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
At the same time, right, Yeah, it was a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
But they had always had their fucking stories told for
them and been super victim blamed, so I just really
really wanted to cover it. It's like, you know, I wanted
them to be heard in their own voices, so I
retold their stories, you know. Yeah, So I'm not going
to give the whole rundown of the case sets too much.
But I did post the original episode about Natalia, and
(04:59):
it has updates and all you need to know to
get caught up to season two. And then I put
season two. Instead of in six episodes, I put it
into three. You're welcome, you guys. Hey, this season is
only four episodes, and I don't think that it needs
to be broken down fucking scene by scene because it's
id and it doesn't deserve it. But I will say
(05:20):
I do think that they might have actually not planned
a three part or three season documentary to start.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I don't think they did either. I agree with you
one use that's.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
What they said, but I'm always inclined to question, especially them.
I don't think that it's real important to break down
this four episode documentary beat by beat, because it's like, oh,
Beth is talking shit, and uh, you know, it's it's
easier to summarize. But I'll tell you what, I am
going to be reading Michael's quotes in a dramatic reenactment.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Because I'd be doing myself a disservice and every member
of this team if I didn't perform.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
That a lot of it, you really would we all
need it.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Guys, if you didn't listen to season two, Michael is Wow.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
He is something.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
He's that is like the only fucking word. Seriously.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I do think that he has strong emotions and has
a hard time controlling them. I do also think he's
a fucking motherfucker liar.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I do have sympathy for Michael because he was a
victim as well, but he was also a perpetrator because
he fucking stood by and watched it happen and then
constantly tries to gaslight Natalia.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yes, yes, well we're both victims of Christine.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Oh whoa whoah boo booooo.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I feel like that's fucked up that I said that
because he was a victim of her, and I don't
want to discount the dynamics at play when there is
somebody being abused and take.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
The kids out of the equation. If it was just
Michael and Christine and he was saying that this is
how she treated him.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
But there were kids in the equation, So okay, yeah,
I yeah, that's where I kind of like, hmm, and
you could have done something.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You watched her fucking get right, exactly, came home to
find her facing a wall, having soiled herself because she'd
been forced to stand there for eight hours. And she
has a very severe form of Dwarfism, which makes it
basically impossible or at least very very hard to do
(07:22):
most everyday tasks.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Everything that we fucking take fird rate granted.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And you put her in an apartment by herself and
abandon her. So I'm sorry, I'm oh.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And before that, you don't get her the surgeries that
she like, yes, literally fucking me yes to walk.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That actually leads us into this episode because it's so
fun how history kind of repeats itself.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I love that. I'm a fan, real big fan.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Do you remember who Natalia was living with last tell
me Time pop quiz?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
She was living with the Man's who are who are? Well?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
They were Cynthia and Antoine Man's.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
They adopted her at the end of the last season, right,
And he was a he was a pre Was he
a preacher? Pastor?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
A pastor?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yes, they started.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Their own church in twenty fifteen. Okay, they have been
called a cult by myself. And you know the friends
in my kitchen that I talked to about.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
The people in the fucking documentary are like, yeah, that's
a cult, they straight up say, because it's they do. Sorry,
But whenever any one fucking family or person is like
I'm gonna go start my own church, writing.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, that's usually a cult, I think.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I agree. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Look, we could get into the fucking weeds about cults
and whatnot, but what makes a cult dangerous is if
there's an authoritarian leader who is controlling in a coercive
so controlling through fear or manipulation or well, I guess
just controlling. It's like, yeah, great, so let people live
their lives and if they fucking sin, then I don't know,
(09:10):
they'll pay for it. Actually, me and this guy we
came to a really nice conclusion that he thought, essentially
that I was going to hell if I don't accept
Jesus into my heart. How he summed it up was
and you think I'm weak minded and need a crutch
to get through life. And I said, eh, you guys,
if religion is helpful to you, I'm like, don't want
to throw shade at all.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I mean, he fucking said I was going to hell,
and I was like, well that's cool if that's what
you think.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Okay, But we were both able to agree on the
fact that it's not religion that's the problem or the Bible,
it's more like churches and the people who run them
usually because when you think about it, a church is
often just like a cult of personality, because that pastor
or whatever type of person, that's just one fucking person's
(09:54):
interpretation of that scripture.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yes, and that.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Just seems very fucking what I know from the Bible,
that seems very anti Bible. One of the first lessons,
no false idols. Okay, God doesn't like that. I'm gonna
call false idol on Bishop and twine Man's it's very
much the vibes of it. Takes two with the Olcent
Twins from nineteen ninety five, where one of them has to.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh my god, creepy. I just looked up the plot
on Wikipedia. Nine year old orphan Amanda Lemon is.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Being sought after by the butt skis, a reclusive and
secretive family known to collect kids via adoption.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That's a nice plot for And it's a kid's movie.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Right, It's an Olsen Twins movie. Yeah, I feel like
I'm reading a fucking horror right, collect kids the fuck
blahbity blah the butt Skis.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
So basically she ends up getting fucking taken by the
butt Skis taken and Liam Neeson is not in this movie.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
He's not coming to save.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Just fucking Steve Suttenberg and he's not kicking ass the
way William is. You know.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So basically I think it's a social worker or something
finds out that the reason the butt Skis adopt so
many kids is so that they can have them work
in their salvage yards as slaves.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That is exactly what it fucking says on Wikipedia. Okay,
I just want to say that that is what the fuck.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Shady movies we made back then.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Jesus, Oh my god, I think we should have a
movie night and what it takes to.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
That could be our first movie.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So basically they say that Natalia has been adopted by
the Man's family and they've just been totally fucking exploiting her.
The Man's called the executive producer of the documentary shortly
after they were there, and that's.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
How it ended, right, And that was like yeah, it
was like, oh my gosh, that's why they were having
a nice season.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They were like, oh, you know, we want you to
come get her and put her in an apartment. Blah
blahlah blah.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, so turns out.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
That Natalia met a dude online who has experienced more
of the world than being traffic by the Barnett's and
the Man's. I feel like that's kind of what it is.
She's been fucking passed around and taken the problem.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
One horrible situation to another horrible situation.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, the Man's fucking totally bought their goddamn farm with
Natalia's money. She doesn't have a dime to her name
as of this episode. The fucking adoptive family, you know what,
I'm gonna call them the butt Skis. Okay, Yes, there's
the butt Skis from here on, Yes, okay, because yeah,
they have a ton of kids that they foster and adopt.
(12:38):
Right and tell me that's not for the fucking check
and for your goddamn cult. Oh you know who's a
good captive audience, The fucking captive.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Ones in front of you.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
You guys been to have a whole fucking episode one
day about CPS Child Protective Services. And it's not all
of the agencies they are run by different people or whatever,
but a lot a lot of corruption and just like
child trafficking, it's cute.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Don't trust the government what.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
So?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Anyways, the Buttskis find out about this boyfriend who's putting
all these ideas in Natalia's head that maybe they're controlling
her and exploiting her and doing exactly what they are doing.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
But how old is she now? Isn't she in her
twenties by now twenty two?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
We believe she's yeah, maybe twenty.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I think oy cares if she meets a boy online,
that's what you do.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I wonder how old Gypsy was when she met the
dude online?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
She was? I think she was eighteen, wasn't she? I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I have to check real quickly. No, Nick is his name?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yes, I was like I want to say she was.
It's seventeen or eighteen.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Born in ninety one and the murd happened twenty fifteen,
so she was twenty four.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's what a lot of people don't understand is that
they were not only victimized as children, both Natalia and Gipsy,
but they were continued to be control and held captive
into their adulthoods Right, this family, now that we met
last season, they seem like a very kind family and
(14:09):
Jesus fucking Christ.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
If a reality crew followed.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Me around and an editor wanted to make me look
literally any way they wanted to, like they fucking could,
I would consider this almost more reality TV than fucking documentary.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
But do you remember when she was meeting with Michael
and they were having they were trying to meet with
each other, and he came with her and he was
being like, really, do you remember that and how he
was acting, and even.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
At the time it was very confrontational, Yes he was,
and he was very like, don't.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Cuss around my daughter.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yes, I don't even think he even said I think
he's like damn or something. It wasn't even anything over
the top.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Maybe it was hell, maybe that would like it was
something religiously.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
But he came in there like super hot, try to
start something.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And even at the time, you know he's a Natalia's protector. Yeah,
the butt Skis are her fucking savior. So they fucking
find out about this dude. I don't know if they
rehearsed it a bunch and she felt coerced into saying it,
But the way that she is being interviewed, the executive
(15:24):
producer is like so what's going on? Like I thought
everything was all crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Here she says this whole thing about how she wants
to give a message out there to all young women
to be careful about falling in love because she almost
left her family for a dude. It's like, well, yeah,
you're fucking twenty, right, Cool, that's probably good. And it
was very much one or the other. She was like,
I almost walked away from them, and it fucking is.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Dude, She's totally totally captive.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
And it sounded rehearsed like they made her say that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
From what we learn later when she's texting with this.
We met them in the last season.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The de Paul's, So basically Natalia gets into contact with
and it's very fucking sketchy.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It's like all on the DL through this messaging app
that I don't know, does something crazy change his phone
numbers every time or something weird like that. Oh my god,
if that's what it is, that's really scary.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I don't technologies, I don't know, guys, I don't know
about it. So the DePaul's who we met last season.
They were going to adopt Natalia at one point. They
are also the parents are little people as well, and
they really understand the fact that Natalia has.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Been not only by the Barnetts now.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
But has not been getting any of the fucking medical
care that she needs. Right there are scheduled surgeries and shit,
it's not willy nilly. And so she told Lady de Paul, Nicole,
I believe, but we don't need to get in the weeds.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
With all that, Okay, Lady de Paul.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
She said that she hasn't gotten any of her surgeries,
so she's just in pain.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
All the time that she is stuck there. She's trapped
and basically land this fucking escape. The DePaul's get plane tickets.
They fucking hire a driver because like it's it's a
fucking this is a getaway, like a kidnapping escape.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
They're gonna smuggle her out, yes, really.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yes, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They go and Natalia's like, all right, so we go
to church here at this time on this night, I'm
gonna come out at seven o five. So they're there waiting,
gets way past seven o five. Then this guy comes.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Up and he's like, Hey, what's what's going on? What
he was up to? You know?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And they're like, fuck, they're super nervous because she's saying,
you know, there's a chance if we don't get Natalia
right now, that we may never forget to fucking see
her or talk to her again.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
She said something like, yeah, well, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
She's been through a lot of trauma, so of course
there are gonna be behavioral issues. That feels like you're
fucking talking about a dog man, right. I just I
don't know, and you know, it could have totally been
taken out of context. I just just don't feel like
anybody treats her just like a fucking human being, just
this thing with problems. I'm just imagining hearing that about
(18:10):
me and how much that would fucking hurt. Right, It's like, well,
you know, will probably come with some behavioral issues.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, fuck yah, little motherfucker. That would fucking put me
into behavioral issues right there.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
It's just just never ceases to amaze me how there
doesn't seem to be anybody around this woman who gives
a flying fuck and I don't understand it. Oh and
I'm talking to you, Hulu. Yeah, we'll fucking get to
that in a minui.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Fucks Ooh oh my god, I got hot right now.
I just got hot and bothered, because that is why
I decided to cover this season, you guys, because because
of Hulu, and I will get there in one second,
because I got just I'm gonna wrap this up. So basically,
they are, they're there and they're waiting. Natalia does arrive,
they get her, they're race off.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Oh you're gonna love this too.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
This fucking Also, Cynthia is blowing up Natalia's phone.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's a lady, buttsky great, Cynthia man.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Natalia's texting her back, I'm so sorry and I really
love you, but I have to do this, blah blah blah.
And then it cuts to an interview with JD Vance
and he goes, you haven't even said thank you to us.
Oh no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I know.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It cut to Lady de Paul and she said, I
don't even know why she was saying I love you
and stuff to her.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I just rescued you. You get fucking how Jade Vance
that was or was that too advanced? Like heavy on
the sarcasm? You got what I was saying?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I got it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
She literally is like, I don't understand why she would
be texting Cynthia this stuff about I love you and stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Because she does love Cynthia. Cynthia's been a fucking mom.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
That's all she knows, for better or worse, for years.
Like that's what she knows. And she feels she's gonna
still love her and she's gonna feel guilt.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Oh I just I fucking oh my god.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
You know, once somebody fucking rescues you, you got her fucking
oh your goddamn life to them. Every little ounce of
respect gratitude that you can muster and show in any
way at any kind time, should be fucking always there.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And I just feel that fucking weight on Natalia so much.
It's like, what are you bringing to the table besides
all your issues?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, fuck you guys. She's away from the man's now,
which is good.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
From a very quick scan of a People article, this
article is titled inside Natalian Grace's new life with family
of Little People in New York quote, it is definitely
a blessing to be alive. Apparently she is happier with them,
and that would make sense because the butt skis were
a fucking nightmare. One of the first questions Cynthia asks is,
(20:53):
so are you still going to be getting your money,
like are we still going to.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Be your payee or whatever?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's like the second third question she asked, besides where
are you?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
So we don't really care that you're gone, We just
want your money.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And then Lady DePaul gets fucking pissed off that Natalia
doesn't know that she needs money to live and what
are they just gonna pay for everything?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
And Natalia doesn't know any better, She doesn't know, she
doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
They show an interview of her like twenty fourteen or something,
and she's fucking genuinely a child, Yeah, that had been
fucking called an adult and left to survive on her own.
You can fucking tell so much in that video that
is a child? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And this is when it all fucking came back round
to me.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
The whole thing now is whoever is Natalia's guardian or conservatore?
Ring a bell? Anybody Hello ding ding ding, Amanda rab E, Margera,
Britney Spear's uh Lima Jimovich to call it to Golly
six alias bitch.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I just I did not put those dots together at
all because I started looking into Amana Rab's case. I
think May of last year or something, and I didn't
really even start getting deep into the conservatorship stuff and
trying to figure out what the fuck all of that
was about for a little while after. So when they
said guardianship today and who would get the fucking Natalia's money,
(22:24):
I was like, dude, it's another fucking situation of people saying, oh,
you can't take care of yourself, even though Natalia actually
does need people who will take care of her and
also let her keep her fucking money.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Right, but she does need assistance.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Do you think the de palm is high de Paul's.
Do you think that they're coming from a place that's
helped to help her because they are doing situation? Do
you know what I mean? And they're actually trying I do.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I do think they genuinely care about her, you know
the uh daddy to Paul.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Lady and daddy God, he's very hesitant about it. Hey, yes,
she was a very sweet girl when we met her
fourteen years ago. Also, she's been through a lot since
then and behavioral issues or whatever they're like.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And we can't ignore the fact that, you know, she
was accused of all of this, all of these things.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm like, can you can't. I don't know. Oh, also,
Cynthia said something.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Cynthia Lady Butts, said something to Natalia about don't act
mental or something like that. Very much fucking because I
can throw you in a goddamn institution because.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I'm your guardian.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, that's just what you can do. If you're somebody's guardian.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You're like, they're not fit to take care of themselves,
And the court agreed with me. I can't even take
care of myself, but I can make all their decisions.
I will say this is not the blanket statement that
they're not necessary.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I do think there are cases. I'm definitely not putting
that down, but when they are used to exploit people,
which seems to be I don't know a pattern I'm
recognizing for people famous and not. Natalia wasn't famous before
all this shit. You know, she was just a little
girl trying to find a fucking home and some parents.
(24:23):
So that's the end of episode one.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Do you want to talk about the Hulu? Yes, I
real quick hacking ILU.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I was pretty on the fence about covering this third season,
and actually, honestly, I'm glad that I didn't judge a
book by its cover, which would have been, Oh, it's
ID squeezing a third season out.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That's fucking some exploited of garbage.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I'm glad that I didn't jump on that train, because
while I still do think they're absolutely exploiting Natalia always,
it seems like they really did help facilitate her getting
away from the butt skis good news, yes, but I
decided that I fucking had to cover the final season
because I needed to know exactly where the fuck we
(25:10):
were with everything and have some fresh content up about
this shit, because I saw it within like the first
two hours, but then within the fucking.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
First twenty four hours. This preview how two point five
million views on YouTube? It's for a show that Netflix
or a Hulu is putting out called Good American Family
premieres on March nineteenth. Did you watch the fucking you
watched it? Tell me, tell me your initials, Send it.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
To me A gross I felt gross, disgusting, right yes, absolutely,
Fuck you.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Ellen Pompeo. And I know so many people just went,
what I love the mammy watching right now? That's fine.
I also watched TV. I admit that to y'all. Fuck
this shit, this is this is such a goddamn hack job. Also,
and I love him.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Oh yeah, it's I just lost his name and I
loved less. Yes, and I love him and I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Mmm, have you seen creep? Yes, that's what I mean
Session nine?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Wait have you seen it?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh my god, y'all, that is a fucking callback. Hey,
what's up?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Old time listeners or newer listeners who fucking were like,
fuck yeah? And then when binge the whole catalog, you know,
you know what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
He just came out with creep tapes a series.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh my god, shut the fuck up. Yes, what how
are you just telling me this?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I didn't know you were a fan, or I would
have told you forever ago.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Wait, I didn't know that we had never just got
I fucking love creep, dude. It's one of the oh
my god, pet creepy creeps.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's not as good, it's not as it's not. It's
pretty good though, for as you know, you guys seriously
fucking so slept On agreed.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
They made it for like couple grand or something. I
don't know, probably means twenty thousand or something. But it's
so good, you guys, so.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
For Halloween, they came up with creep tapes in their
half hour long episodes of Just Where It's On shutters
you but he's so many good Well, you know I
have shudder because all I watch is horror.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
So you you're a horror horror. Yeah, that's right, You're
a horror for horror.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Hey, Hulu is a fucking horror for hit jobs.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yes, And oh my god, I love honestly it was
probably a fucking cousin of one of the goddamn producers
and some shit because I said in a comment, by
the way, if you've ever commented on literally anywhere or
messaged me anywhere and I haven't gotten back to you,
I'm so fucking sorry. Just blanket fucking apology to everybody.
I don't know why. I don't know what's wrong with
(28:01):
me that it's so hard for me to open messages
that I know will be nice. But I can, oh,
if I'm in the mood, I will fucking scroll the
comments and just.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Oh, really, motherfucker, that's what you think. So I had
an opinion about this, of course, you know, I'm like,
this is gonna be an absolute fucking hack job. This
is so unethical.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
This is going to have serious repercussions on someone's life
who is still very much in she's fucking she's twenty,
She's been trafficked and victimized her entire fucking life. She
just got out of a goddamn cult. She's trying to
get her shit together. And then Meredith Gray and Creep.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Mark disappointed in you, Mark Duplos fucking motherfucker. But oh
my god, you guys, you can just fucking tell I'm
sure they oh put a little bit of doubt in
your mind if the uh Barnett's are total liars. And
then I had two or three people comment back to
me being like, where, I'm sorry, but where does this say?
This is a documentary, has that it's a drama, so
(28:59):
obviously not everything's gonna be true. People were mad at
me for saying that the way that this show was
produced was obviously unethical and painting a very biased, unfair picture.
People love to root for the bad guy, y'all. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Hulu also produced The Act Right, which was about Gypsy
Rose Blanford.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
And I actually watched that. I did too, but Gypsy
later said that she was not a fan, and they
didn't approach her. I'm sure as shit they didn't fucking
approach Natalia because she hasn't had access to the goddamn
world because she's been in a fucking cult with the
butt skis. That's that's that. On that, y'all. I will
cover episode two, three, and four, probably do that. I'll
(29:42):
think it two more. So stay tuned for that, guys,
so you don't have to go give id your views.
I got you. In my opinion, I still hate Beth Carris.
She fucking sucks. Literally, this woman.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Nothing that she says ever adds any substance anything good
to the fucking conversation.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I'm just like, why are you here except for to annoy.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Me and ask stupid fucking questions and get some answers.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
That was gonna be a little mermaid, but my voice
not go there, so I had to abandon. I had
to abort ship, which.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Is you know what it's time to do that anyways,
because it is eleven o'clock on the Eastern United States,
it's all New York to me, all of Eastern Whenever
I hear Eastern Standard Time, I'm like, cool New York,
Like that's.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
That is where you are. It's nine o'clock Mountain time,
so either way, intense, it's time to fucking what are
you gonna? What are you gonna Paltte cleanse.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
With creep tapes?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah? You know I sleep watching horror stuff, so I.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So want to download it now.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Thank you so much to the patrons who have stuck around.
I know that it's really tough economic times right now, y'all, and.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Some of you have reached out to me with very
sweet messages explaining that it's not me, it's you or
the economy, you know, And that's been so fucking kind,
and so all of you who have been able to
stick around, I appreciate it so much.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And anybody who has had to leave or you know,
just has hasn't been able to swing it, or you know,
has it been super compelled. Thank you for listening, because
the fucking downloads help. And if you could just tell
a friend or five. I don't have five friends, but
if you do, you should tell five, just as many
as you know. Tell them about the show and leave
a rating and a review. We just got five hundred
(31:32):
stars on Apple. That's pretty exciting.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yeah, hey, hey, it's four point five, so I don't
know y'all out there.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Leaven two and one stars are, but.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
They're probably not listening anymore because they're probably were just
like you hate you, and then or they were like you,
I hate you, and then they kept hate listening.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Because that's it.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I'm subscribed to Mark Leata, I know, like I'm subscribed
to Soft White Underbelly because I want to see what
the fuck that motherfucker's putting out right, and that is
a whole other day and story, you know, good night
and good luck.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
So tired, stay off the internet. Yes that was uh,
that was real as fun.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
That was real fucked up, real fucked up. Stop real
fucked up.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Stop fucking exploiting victims who have just only been exploited and.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Fucking abused over and over and over. Stop doing that,
id stop it.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Fucked up, got job so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's just
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