April 1, 2025 • 36 mins
Ash and research assistant Erin Collins recap the first half of the second episode of the FINAL SEASON The Curious Case of Natalia Grace (TCCoNG)!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Why are you keeping a twenty year old from her phone?
Why are you not giving her money? Why are you
doing all of this? That's none of your business. You're
the devil.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're the devil.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I love how they just keep bringing up everything is
like the devil.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Of course, I rebuke you.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I rebuke you. I rebuke you, devil. That is so
fucked up. It's fucked up.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
It is just so damn fuck. That's fucked up. All righty? Then,
I just heard some not cool shit about Jim Carrey.
But I guess his x un alive to herself and
(00:52):
kind of blamed him for how he treated her. Yeah,
and got her addicted to drugs and stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I don't love that at all.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Were you a big fan of him?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah? I liked Jim Carrey.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
He's a little too much for me.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I think that him and Arioana Grande are like hooking
up or something. What, dude, Arion a Grande is like
a gnarly Jim Carrey stand like she had a birthday
party and ship for him before really she knew him.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Uh huh things I did not know?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, that is your uh celebrity gossip for today's episode,
because we have one of those every time. And hello everybody,
welcome back to That's So Fucked Up, a podcast about
things that make you.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Say, eel, That's so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yep, And I'm your host, Ashley Love.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Richards, and I'm Aaron Collins.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
One of my other co hosts. Yeah. So it's been
really fun having rotating co hosts just because like it's
a I mean, obviously I miss Fallon and I love
all my prior co hosts, but it is fun like
switching it up' and working with other people. So our
audio situation is not one thousand percent in the clear yet, y'all.
(02:10):
So if this episode is slightly lower quality, we apologize,
but we we are. We're really fucking working on it,
I promise, dude.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
We're trying hours so hard.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, but you know, we've lost a lot of recording
time and recorded episodes trying to figure it out, and
we think it's good enough for this one. So again,
if you have like a really a tuned ear and
you're used to the podcast being fucking pristine, apologies, And
for anybody who wasn't gonna notice, sorry if I just
brought it to your attention. They're like, well, it wouldn't
(02:45):
have bugged me, but now okay, So hopefully all listened
to the mega mixes that I put out. I thought
it was really fun. I like to that mega mix
recap because we had done seven episodes on Italian Grace,
and I didn't want y'all to have to go through
seven episodes. It felt like a lot to put on
the feed, and you know, there's always kind of the
(03:07):
intro and outro banter and everything, and so I just
thought it would be nice for y'all to kind of
skip through that and just give the meat. And there's
a little fucking sound in between each episodes, so you
know that it's going on to the next one. And
so there's three megamax episodes. Please listen to those, or
(03:27):
I think you should if you don't know the background yet.
And today we are again talking about the curious case
of in Italian Grace. I know that most of y'all
don't read the descriptions, and last night I was up
till midnight, taking way too long trying to be witty
in it, so I'm going to read it. We decided
to wrap up what common sense medias Steven Morgan called
(03:52):
an quote unbalanced portrayal that may leave viewers with more
questions than answers. I loved that because I was like, yeah,
it's some quality journalism.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
When I saw the trailer for Hulu's upcoming hit piece
mini series Sorry Good American Family, I decided we had
to do it recaps of the final honestly though, to
be honest with ID who knows a right, right.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Because I guarantee they'll put a new season out after
the show debuts, right, yeah, the final final season.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Well, yeah, that's that's all that I wrote. That was
real witty, but or I thought, but it took me
for fucking ever. It was ridiculous. So yeah, Also, please
listen to episode one because that's an important part of
the story because it's the first episode of the new season.
A recap and we didn't do the usual BORB style
(04:46):
binge or bust where we break it down scene by scene.
I did more of a recap and I liked it.
I think it's good. Yeah, soon, let's get in to
episode two. So the first episode, I don't think I
said the name last time is It's a Man's World.
Very catchy, yes, And episode two. The one we are
(05:07):
about to talk about is called the Rescue. So I
think I told you a little bit about this last time,
but I did find out lady and Sir de Paul's names.
Her name is Nicole and his is Neil. So we
see Nicole de Paul and her daughter McKenzie waiting outside
of the church and Natalia's van pulls up right or
(05:31):
the man's van that Natalia's in, So they don't really
show it, but I think Natalia must go in with them,
because it'd be weird and obvious if she ran directly
to the van to the car. Yeah, and she comes
back out. They reunite in the car and everybody's crying,
and oh yeah, they're crying. Natalian's definitely crying. She's very emotional.
And they call Neil and she says, this broke my
(05:55):
fucking heart that she loves him so much. He's amazing.
She's so so thankful. Like when somebody expresses gratitude and
it's not enough, that's a personal trigger. It's just fucked up, dude.
She immediately says that she's super grateful, you.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Know, but why was it not enough? What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Well, i'll tell you okay, just weird, Okay, sorry, God
told me to be patient. I'm sorry, recorded.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I'm sorry. You can yell let me this time.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Wow, looks like I held a mirror up to you.
How the turns table? Ashley Richards, Michael Scott, and I
want to kind of give myself and you and the
audience a reminder that I d in our opinion, my opinion,
I think we share it doesn't do great journalism. So
(06:46):
you know, the cuts that they put together, I think
if somebody cut my shit together, to God, they could
make me look real bad. You know, yeah, I think
they might try to make the de Paul's look pretty shitty.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
They want you to feel, they.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Want you to feel a certain way, right, But they
do say some stuff that's just kind of out of pocket,
like I'm so old that I love the that I
use like old lingo. The other day I said I'm
PTFO and somebody younger was like, what's that? What is that?
Passing the fuck out?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I've never heard that out of here. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I have to google it to make sure it's not
an acronym I made up. If I did. I'm proud,
I'm proud. No BTFO. What are letters. Well, I guess
it means play the fucking object, get out of here.
That's what the internet kind of says.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
No, you can't put anything that's not true on the Internet,
so that has.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
To be Yeah, but none of them say play the
fucking object. So the fact that I was like, I'm
play the fucking object is I've also said that a
bunch of times people were like, what is bitch talk about?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I thought I just like had a disconnect the younger
generation because I was like, oh, they're eating, and somebody
was like, no, Ashley, they're cooking, and once they fucking
killed it, then they ate. Do you know that, Aaron? No, Yeah,
we ate on those like Red Room and four Slash
eight Chan episodes. Yeah, you were cooking, Oh and we ate.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Okay, yeah, girl gotcha.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Apparently that's what the kids told me. One of them,
the young'uns, I was watching a film Cooper YouTube video
and uh, he was like, oh, they ate, and he
was like, I don't wait, no, I don't say that,
and then he said like a different slang. He's like, yeah, no,
that's not I don't say that one. So, yeah, we
are in the getaway car with the pauls and Natalia
(08:43):
well with I still prefer to call her Lady de
Paul over Nicole. So we've got Lady de Paul and
their biological daughter, Mackenzie and Natalia. They get off the
phone with Neil and Natalia says that she needs to
text her mom. The text message reads that she can't
be cut off from the world like that. She doesn't
(09:04):
want to hurt her. She loves them so much, and
she's so sorry. And like as somebody who left home
at thirteen or fourteen and left a fucking note a letter,
I remember feeling so fucking guilty. Yeah, I am so sorry,
because when you're a victim of abuse by your parents
(09:25):
are caretakers and you know, abandonment, neglect, all of that
is abuse, you still feel this like sense of connection
to them, even if they're terrible. Yes, absolutely, And she's
been with them for I think like ten years or
so long time. Yeah, And I mean it's it's a
cult and Antoine's a cult leader, so.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Right, she's brainwashed.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, but you know what, I think it was Yanya,
doctor Yanya Lalik, who told me that she doesn't like
the term brainwashing. Okay, I want to look that up
really quick. What did they well, indoctrinated Okay, I guess
I don't think that was Yanya's wording, but but I
think it's it's good.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It also says right here, do not cite or reprint
without author's permission. But you know what or homies. So okay,
but I still you know it's good to follow the rules.
I shouldn't say that. Yeah, so not brainwashed, we don't
want to say that, but indoctrinated, yes, I would imagine,
especially heavily. It's if it's this family that fucking rescued
you from Christine and Michael. Yeah, because the fuck. And
(10:27):
you know they're they have a direct connection to God
of course, you know. And Natalia in the documentary is
talking about this about how like she knows that Antoine
is like the real deal and stuff and sad. So
then we hear from a lady to Paul l d
(10:48):
I think we'll like Larry David, but but lady to
Paul but different. Yeah, she says that she's really surprised
that this is how Natalia is texting her. She couldn't
wait to get away from them, so like what And
I understand that most people don't really understand coercion and such.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Also, though, if you're going to take care of somebody
or you know, have a relationship with them in any way,
I think it's important to understand the after effects of
trauma and abuse and all of that and how that
colors the way that somebody might think or act. For example,
there was somebody in my life very close for a
(11:28):
long time that didn't really make an effort to understand
complex PTSD and how that shows up for somebody, and
it would really upset me because he would want me
to be able to control when I would go out
of my window of tolerance and my brain would flip
into lizard mode where your prefrontal cortex goes offline, and
(11:52):
he'd be like, well, you can't do that, And I'm like,
it's literal science. Like I'm working on it and trying
to work through my trauma, but you can't be better
than science. So I think it's important that if you're
going to try to be in somebody's life who needs
that extra support, that you try to understand their trauma
and how that will affect how they act. But like
I said, I don't trust this network or its editors
(12:16):
at all, So I'm sure they tried to make them
look worse, you know. I think they ask really leading
questions too.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, and LD was so they were so invested in Natalia,
you know, when she was younger, because they wanted her
so much to adopt her. And I think they were
just so wanting to reach out and to help her
that they didn't, like you said, do the research too,
because I went back and just watched the first episode
(12:43):
after we discussed it. Uh, And I think like Neil,
did you say Neil was with the husband's name, I
think he was more hesitant, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, He's like, hey, you know, she's she's been through
a lot at this point, and we don't really know
how that's going to show up.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So they were aware of that, Yeah, but was just
more gut like I want to go help without the
research and without the like more feelings, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And remembering Natalia I think as a child exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah. So I do think it comes from a very
good place from your heart for sure. Like you said,
ID just skews things how they want to skew things.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, And I think there was a little bit of
lack of obtaining of knowledge exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
So Cynthia, Cynthia Man's the butt Skis. Oh yeah, Cynthia,
but Ski, Guys, if you didn't listen to episode one,
you don't know what I'm talking about. And I kind
of feel like I don't want to tell you because
you have to go listen to episode one, but I'll
tell you. It's from It Takes Too, an Olsen Twin
movie from the nineties. One of the Twins is adopted
(13:45):
by this family named the butt Skis, who just foster
and adopt a bunch of kids for you know, government
money and slave labor because they just make the kids
work at their junkyard for free.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yes, sound like a fun premise for a kid's movie.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
The Kid's Ship is Wild, dude, right, Yeah. So Cynthia
calls and I wish there was like a transcript for this,
and I was going to do it, and I was
just like, no, I'll just play the call because listening
to them actually is it's pretty funny and telling. I
don't know if we could reenact it as well, so
I'm just going to play it instead. Okay, you know,
(14:21):
why did.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
You take her phone when She's a twenty year old.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Talking to somebody saying, Hey, what's wrong is that?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
That's your business?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Why have you never changed her? Pay each to herself?
That's why have you never gotten her or anything that
I know.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
You name.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I don't want to hear another word from your love.
You haven't done anything for you have brainwashed. It's terrible.
You would not tell anything. I'm sorry about this.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I mean nothing. I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You know, not the laddy you have not here. You
a doctor on you.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
You're we're about to come get you.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You the devil.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Were you able to understand that the most?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Because you know, there's music in the background, and there's
a lot of talking over each other, and Antoine pops
in in the background, Natalia pops in in the background,
standing up for parents. Quote parents, you're right, yeah, and
she says something later we'll get to that, but obviously,
you know, Lady de Paul, she cares. She's saying, why
(16:13):
are you keeping a twenty year old from her phone?
Why are you not giving her money? Why are you
doing all of this? That's none of your business. You're
the devil.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
You're the devil.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I love how they just keep bringing up everything is
like the devil.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Of course, I rebuke you.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I rebuke you. Uh, I rebuke you, devil. Then we're
back to an interview with Lady de paul LD and
she goes, so, now we're supposed to pay for everything,
which I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
It's like, didn't you kind of expect that though when
you took her in?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
They were expecting to get her government money too. You know,
she said being disabled is not cheap. Okay, agree, and
that would make sense. Yeah, and yeah, you would be
expecting or hoping for that, but also not like what
the fuck when you're adopted person, because she's twenty now, right,
has just gotten out of a decade long situation that
(17:08):
you yourself said was abusive and she was brainwashed. So
it's like, you know, so chill right. She definitely like
has animosity towards Natalia. It seems from the way they
cut the documentary it's like, I understand like getting frustrated,
but it's not Natalia's fault.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Now we see that interview with Natalia when she's like
ten years old, eleven twelve, looking completely like a child,
and she's in an interrogation. It looks like she says
that all her money goes to you know, sometimes they
get pizza. Some of it goes towards rent, which is
she's fine with because they're her payee, and other of
(17:51):
the money is tithing to the church, so that goes
to Antoine, right, And she's like, uh, I'm a child,
and I don't know. She doesn't say that, you know,
but yeah, that's what's going on, right, And then we
hear from Nancy Grace, sorry, Beth Carrass.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, the other Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Nancy's supposedly tight though, I'm gonna have to look into
that web a little bit more. And she says that
the butt skis with all of the kids they've adopted
and fostered, not the butt skis from the movie the
real ones, the man's is. She said that they could
be bringing in up to one hundred thousand dollars a
year with all of the government money and shit that
(18:30):
they receive.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Did they ever say how many kids they have?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I don't think so, I don't know, Okay, specify no.
So here's a clip from actually the beginning of the
call from Cynthia to Nicole or probably to Natalia because
she was probably blowing up Natalia's phone. You know this
free pony ry is done.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Well, you sneak to come here. It was days and
days of communication that she needs to leave. I don't
want to say.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
This, but I interrupted because this is important to me
and a mother. The numer of Natalia great God name man.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
That is my baby. I might not carry her, never her.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
That is my baby. I experience great that nobody ever does.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Of being like the funeral home. Why did you take
her phone when she's a te year old talking to
somebody as a kay, what's wrong? Without your business?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
She's talking about the fact that why has Natalia never
had surgery despite y'all being the payeaes, why have you
never made her the payee because she's an adult now,
she's over eighteen, and Cynthia's just like, it's none of
your business. It's none of your business. Actually, I just
reminded myself of Beth because I was thinking, Wow, you know,
(20:02):
she always adds real good comment Arry. She brings a
lot to the table. That was sarcasm, because all she
ever fucking does is recap what the fuck's already been said. Right, Yeah,
I'm actually going to play a little clip of that
later too. Because we've talked a lot of shit and
y'all have never actually heard from her, so I thought
that would be kind of fun. Now we're in upstate
(20:24):
New York. It's December twenty third, twenty twenty three, and
this is at the Manses House, where she currently resides.
Natalia says that she felt stuck with the Manses and
that she never thought she'd leave. She deeply regrets not
telling her parents before she left, and you know, she
feels really guilty. It's so sad, the guilt that she's
(20:46):
carrying for deciding to get out of an isolating, abusive situation,
right yeah, and still so apologetic to them. You know. Also,
the Mansas won't give her her ID, so I mean,
I feel like they could go get another one, but still,
I don't know. They're just fucking they're not playing ball.
(21:07):
They're assholes, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Right, Yeah, but if they have all her documents, they
could have her birth certificate. No they do, yeah, and
they're like, well you can't have anything.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, No, that's probably it, you know exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
We're taking all your money where we have all your documents,
so you literally can't.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You're fucked.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
You're yeah, you're fucked, and we know you're.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Fucked, which is what colts do exactly, and they keep
you locked away from the world.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You take your shoe away, make you feel guilty.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah. Actually, I was gonna wait to play another clip,
but this is actually where where Beth came in. I
just wanted to kind of share some of that amazing.
Let me read this part actually first, and Lady de
Paul says, now we're back to an interview with her.
She says, what am I in ATM? I don't get it.
And then it shows texts from Natalia, which honestly it
(22:00):
would also bother me, probably initially, but you have to
understand her situation. And it also doesn't say there's probably
a fucking text before this that's Nicole saying, running to Walmart,
what do you need or something? You know? Yeah? Eight
Color Silly Girls four through fourteen, soft undershirt, multi pack,
Color City Girls, socks, knee high stockings, cartoon animal warm
(22:23):
cotton socks. Food. I like pineapples, peach, yogurt, yo play,
I fucking love peach yogurt, beef ravioli, chocolate, and gummy bears.
It's a pretty good list. Do you cheese Ravioli.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I love gummy bears. I eat them all day.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I hope they don't still put horse hoofs, but I
haven't checked.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And gummy bears. Yeah, I'm just gonna keep eating them.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Gelatin used to be made with horses, that's right. Yeah,
ignorance is bliss.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
We're gonna ignore that, that's right.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, because we like her gummy bears.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, that could just be a list. She could have
been like, what foods do you like to eat? Oh,
here's my list exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So honestly, I feel like that's fucking id doing some bullshit. Yeah. Also,
at the end of one of the episodes from last season,
they show a clip of Michael doing an interview and
he says the thing, and then he goes, wait, do
(23:16):
you want me to say it one more time? But
like more dramatically.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yes, Yes, they definitely ask leading questions and probably say,
you know, I don't think that how you feel about
the situation came across or whatever they're so, you know,
they're manipulating shit.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
That didn't really work for us. Why don't you try
that again?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Right, So, here's a clip of our favorite journalist, Beth
Carass Beth Crass Grace or you know Natalia Grace Renee
Man's Cynthia's baby. You know, Beth could technically be like
Beth Nancy Grace Carass. Yes, yes, all right, So here's
(24:00):
a clip from our girls adding really fucking important commentary
like that stuff that we would in a cop probably
she So why is she.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Letting these people just keep it? It's okay, I don't
have that money to throw around, and neither does she.
So why is she letting these people just keep it?
So let's recap.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
The Depaus have taken Natalia in, but she doesn't have
any savings. She had money from doctor Phil from called
Fundmate and other media interviews, but she gave that money
to the Manses.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
So okay, she's got hurt.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Okay, so we didn't have the info before that some
of her money was from doctor Phil this or that,
but I don't think that fucking matters. She gave it
all to the fucking man'ses. That's what matters, right, great job, Beth.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
SSI benefits right about eight hundred dollars a month, No
she doesn't. She tells Cynthia that she can still be
paye of her SSI benefits, which, by the way, is
potentially illegal. And then within a few days it's Christmas
and Paul's.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So real quick, Yeah, we didn't know that was potentially illegal,
or that's not something I had thought of, but it's
probably now that I think about it, pretty obvious. And
she goes and it's a few days before Christmas. Like
I said, we're in upstate New York on December twenty third,
twenty twenty three. Right, we fucking know what gate it is?
All right, let's let her finish.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Up, and Paul's give for a cash gift, which Italian
gives to Cynthia. So you can imagine that Nicole and
Vince are asking themselves like Usa, Natalia, how.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Does she really hold on? She just said to Nicole
and Vince, his name is Neil. Yeah, that's clearly stated
many times. Did she just get his fucking name right?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Wow, that's your worst than I fucking thought. Okay, wrap up, Natalia.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
How does she really feel asking themselves like Housatalia? How
does she really feel about the man's Are they still
controlling her?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I am riveted by that. Thank god we got that recap.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
What the fuck does she bring to the table? Nothing
except her annoying ass voice and her dumb questions.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
It's so funny you say that, because anytime I watch
a documentary and she's on it, and my husband walks
in the room, he's like, oh my god, her again.
She's worthless.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, even he knows, and he doesn't even to watch
a lot of her fucking like we do. Unfortunately. Oh
my god, this is amazing. Okay, this read a post.
Why exactly do we need to have that blonde Nancy
Grace looking lady to explain everything we've just been seeing
two seconds after we just saw it. Oh, use her
(26:53):
her de Burbush Nerva. Love it. Amazing, point, that's so funny. Perfect,
that is so funny.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Then we have a couple. I love Beth carass I
do too, and comparing her to Nancy Grace is unfair. Okay.
These are the same people that yelled at me on
the Good American Family trailer when I commented that it
was a fucking hit piece. It's the same people that
are like, excuse me, I love bad journalism and mini
(27:25):
series that really twist the truth and make the victim
look bad.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
How dare you get upset about that?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
These are the same people also who fucking watch Andrew Tate.
That's true, So that's not the whole episode, but I
did think it was kind of a good stopping place
because we're going to do two more episodes that are
gonna cover three and four, and you know, I think
I'm gonna do a little bit more of a synopsis
on three, so we'll finish up episode two and the
synopsis on episode three in the next episode. I kind
(27:55):
of thought, you know, we've got a lot of clips
and stuff today and I wanted to get this to
the d in time to get it out to y'all
in time. So hope y'all are enjoying the documentary, right.
I think it's fun when we watch it and then
we get to be like, no, yes, what So sometimes
I guess kind of fun to watch shitty quote documentaries
(28:20):
if you know the case and you know what's.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Actually going on. Yeah, you've done the research.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
And y'all, we do it, we do it, we do
it well.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Especially if it's an ID documentary you have to.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Oh, yeah, just saying or just a really fucking good one, yea,
or just a really silly one, like oh my gosh,
the binger Bus that I did on John mccafee.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Oh, that's a good one. So that was an one.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He's wacky. It wasn't like a hit download wise, and
I get it, but I think it should have been
King of Kong fist full of quarters like I saw
that one. Well, you didn't listen to the recap, See,
you're one of the motherfuckers.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I'm sure I did. But you know how many episodes
i've listeno.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Okay, I have made over five hundreds, yes, and I'm no.
But it's about this like feud between good and evil.
Really about these two guys who are trying to win
the King of Kong. No King Kong thrown during like
a matches at arcades. Oh, it's amazing, you guys. It
really is good versus evil. It's like the fucking guy
(29:21):
who's the current not now but in the documentary Winner
or whatever is like such a fucking villain. It's hilarious.
He looks like one too. Anyways, that's a fun one.
So if you guys are just you know, fucking what's
it called by the seat of your pants or.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
No, flying by the seat of your pants.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
No, that's not it. Though. If you're just itchin' for
the next episode. It is already on Patreon. Yeah, if
you got answer in your pants or whatever, or you're
just like what happens next, which I get? I got Yeah,
Patreon dot com, slash tsfu or TSFU the podcast dot
com where you can find everything, including Bingo, which I
(29:58):
forgot to play both times that we recorded today, and Yeah,
episodes usually come out three days early over there, but
with this being kind of a multi part, trying to
get it out in time for the premiere of Good
American Fucking Family, which I will be watching Be Good,
Be Good, grudging Lee for y'all. Okay, I'm not gonna
(30:18):
like binge or bust it, but I need to know
how fucking bad it is.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
We do, ye, Yeah, we do? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah. If you can't support on the Patreon, totally fucking understandable, y'all.
And to anybody who has quit lately who feels bad, don't,
I totally get it, but if you could. A five
star rating on Spotify or Apple is always amazing. A
written review on Apple is even better, especially since the
last couple that we got were quite a while ago
(30:44):
and not super nice. One person said that we sing
too much. I'm never gonna stop that. So you don't
like that, you can peace out. And somebody else complained
about the fact that they didn't like a guest that
we had that fallen interview, but they have enjoyed other episodes,
So okay, you didn't like our guest and she didn't
(31:06):
complain about me as a host, or the regular TSFU.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Show complained about a guest one guest.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Come on, man, yeah, I love you, guys, love me,
please love me, help me. I'm poor, poor, and good
reviews too. I'm tired. This has been a lot. You know.
Earlier today we talked about eight Chan, and whenever I
talk about anything involving Beth or the Curious Case of
(31:35):
I can't help but think of the Bam situation too,
So it's like, yeah, bloods my mind. I'm like, oh
my god, Bam and Lima and fucking Mark and Natalia.
And if you guys are like, who are you talking about,
y'all haven't been listening. I covered the Curious Case of
Bam Margera and did an episode on Amanda rab which
kind of does a rundown on this whole fucking web
(31:57):
that I'm webbing with. Kristen our other resent, Aaron's webbing
the web, basically.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
The dark Web.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
We haven't even talked about that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I know, we haven't even got to that yet.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Which, by the way, was created by the government. Yes,
of course it was, right. Yeah, So let's do a
good show recommendation. What have you been watching? That's good.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I've been watching Severance Okay, that's on Apple TV, right, yes,
and I don't have Apple TV. Okay, how about The
Righteous Jumpstones.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I don't fucking like it. I cannot get on board.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Why.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I don't know, dude. I love the cast.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It's the funniest show ever ever.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I would highly disagree with you, guys. But if you
do have Max, I will give a suggestion from Max.
Go ahead. Have you watched the other two? No, it's
like a kind of satirical show. The character is based
on Justin Bieber, but the show's not about him. It's
about his loser siblings. But they're pointing out all of
this like weird stuff in our culture that is fucking weird.
(32:53):
They're like, oh my god, you guys, we found the
hottest twelve year old because you know, like it's they've
been sexualizing b Bar since he was a kid, right, Yeah,
the armpit picture. You're like, oh, dude, we're gonna do
the pit picture because he's a man now, and that's
what's sexy. I was thinking about it, and that kind
(33:15):
of is true. You know, on the men's magazines, it's
like arm up pit pick. I like to masturbate too,
just armpit pictures. That's my kink. So yeah, apparently Aaron's
suggestion is the Righteous Gemstones, And as somebody who's like
obsessed with televangelists and shit, I can't believe that I'm
(33:36):
not on board.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's so funny.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I know I've tried. I've really tried. I say the
other two you guys, which Aaron you have to try
since you haven't.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I will try it, but you have to revisit Righteous Gemstones.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I've already done it, like I already revisited it on ROBERTA.
Blevins's recommendation. Okay, so look that's two other people besides
me that love the show, you guys, so whatever, give
it a try, I guess, or if you want something
kind of serious, did you watch Westworld? Yes, fucking loved Westworld.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I loved the first season.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Okay, fine, I agree. Did go Downhill.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
The first season was freaking amazing.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I still loved it though, And yeah, the first season
just wow. Yeah, I love Evan Rachel would yeah, And
I hate Marilyn Manson, I know. Or did you watch
The Night Of?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I did?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Also so good, you guys, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
It was really good.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
So those are our serious recommendations that we both totally
agree on. Yes, we must have kind of different senses
of humor when it comes to like what kind of
TV shows we like, Yes, but not in our way
of having a very dark sense of humor about the
worst topics, because you have to.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I have one question for you. Have you seen Session nine?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
That was the perfect ending you welcome you guys if
you're a longtime listener or you've you know, you're newish,
but you've gone back through the catalog. That was a
joke between Cam and I. Who uh her and I
did it the first one hundred episodes together, which are
all great and on the Patreon commercial free. But we
were talking about like scary movies that we love, and
(35:11):
I asked her if she if she'd seen Session nine.
You guys, it's so good, and then that just became
a joke. I think it's because I asked her two
or three times, like realistically, because I just guess my memory,
you know. And then Aaron just brought it up the
other day and I was like, dude, fuck, yeah the
fuck yeah, because it's so good the movie and the comment, yes, yeah,
(35:36):
and I would laugh every time the comment was amazing.
I know, I'm hilarious. Well that's it for today, y'all.
Hope you enjoyed that little moment of lightness at the
end and go check out those recommendations and you know
it's funny. I would say that was real as fuck,
but like it wasn't because it was an ID doc,
(35:56):
so it was real fucked up though.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah, that's ID made it right.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, I guess as real as I d gets.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
So they're the same company as t l C. Right,
yeah they are. So if that doesn't tell you something, guys,
now it does. So bye and we'll see you next time. Bye.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Bye. That's hot up, got job so fucked up. It's
just really that's what the
Why are you keeping a twenty year old from her phone?
Why are you not giving her money? Why are you
doing all of this? That's none of your business. You're
the devil.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're the devil.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I love how they just keep bringing up everything is
like the devil.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Of course, I rebuke you.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I rebuke you. I rebuke you, devil. That is so
fucked up. It's fucked up.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
It is just so damn fuck. That's fucked up. All righty? Then,
I just heard some not cool shit about Jim Carrey.
But I guess his x un alive to herself and
(00:52):
kind of blamed him for how he treated her. Yeah,
and got her addicted to drugs and stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I don't love that at all.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Were you a big fan of him?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah? I liked Jim Carrey.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
He's a little too much for me.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I think that him and Arioana Grande are like hooking
up or something. What, dude, Arion a Grande is like
a gnarly Jim Carrey stand like she had a birthday
party and ship for him before really she knew him.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Uh huh things I did not know?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, that is your uh celebrity gossip for today's episode,
because we have one of those every time. And hello everybody,
welcome back to That's So Fucked Up, a podcast about
things that make you.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Say, eel, That's so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yep, And I'm your host, Ashley Love.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Richards, and I'm Aaron Collins.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
One of my other co hosts. Yeah. So it's been
really fun having rotating co hosts just because like it's
a I mean, obviously I miss Fallon and I love
all my prior co hosts, but it is fun like
switching it up' and working with other people. So our
audio situation is not one thousand percent in the clear yet, y'all.
(02:10):
So if this episode is slightly lower quality, we apologize,
but we we are. We're really fucking working on it,
I promise, dude.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
We're trying hours so hard.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, but you know, we've lost a lot of recording
time and recorded episodes trying to figure it out, and
we think it's good enough for this one. So again,
if you have like a really a tuned ear and
you're used to the podcast being fucking pristine, apologies, And
for anybody who wasn't gonna notice, sorry if I just
brought it to your attention. They're like, well, it wouldn't
(02:45):
have bugged me, but now okay, So hopefully all listened
to the mega mixes that I put out. I thought
it was really fun. I like to that mega mix
recap because we had done seven episodes on Italian Grace,
and I didn't want y'all to have to go through
seven episodes. It felt like a lot to put on
the feed, and you know, there's always kind of the
(03:07):
intro and outro banter and everything, and so I just
thought it would be nice for y'all to kind of
skip through that and just give the meat. And there's
a little fucking sound in between each episodes, so you
know that it's going on to the next one. And
so there's three megamax episodes. Please listen to those, or
(03:27):
I think you should if you don't know the background yet.
And today we are again talking about the curious case
of in Italian Grace. I know that most of y'all
don't read the descriptions, and last night I was up
till midnight, taking way too long trying to be witty
in it, so I'm going to read it. We decided
to wrap up what common sense medias Steven Morgan called
(03:52):
an quote unbalanced portrayal that may leave viewers with more
questions than answers. I loved that because I was like, yeah,
it's some quality journalism.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
When I saw the trailer for Hulu's upcoming hit piece
mini series Sorry Good American Family, I decided we had
to do it recaps of the final honestly though, to
be honest with ID who knows a right, right.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Because I guarantee they'll put a new season out after
the show debuts, right, yeah, the final final season.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Well, yeah, that's that's all that I wrote. That was
real witty, but or I thought, but it took me
for fucking ever. It was ridiculous. So yeah, Also, please
listen to episode one because that's an important part of
the story because it's the first episode of the new season.
A recap and we didn't do the usual BORB style
(04:46):
binge or bust where we break it down scene by scene.
I did more of a recap and I liked it.
I think it's good. Yeah, soon, let's get in to
episode two. So the first episode, I don't think I
said the name last time is It's a Man's World.
Very catchy, yes, And episode two. The one we are
(05:07):
about to talk about is called the Rescue. So I
think I told you a little bit about this last time,
but I did find out lady and Sir de Paul's names.
Her name is Nicole and his is Neil. So we
see Nicole de Paul and her daughter McKenzie waiting outside
of the church and Natalia's van pulls up right or
(05:31):
the man's van that Natalia's in, So they don't really
show it, but I think Natalia must go in with them,
because it'd be weird and obvious if she ran directly
to the van to the car. Yeah, and she comes
back out. They reunite in the car and everybody's crying,
and oh yeah, they're crying. Natalian's definitely crying. She's very emotional.
And they call Neil and she says, this broke my
(05:55):
fucking heart that she loves him so much. He's amazing.
She's so so thankful. Like when somebody expresses gratitude and
it's not enough, that's a personal trigger. It's just fucked up, dude.
She immediately says that she's super grateful, you.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Know, but why was it not enough? What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Well, i'll tell you okay, just weird, Okay, sorry, God
told me to be patient. I'm sorry, recorded.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I'm sorry. You can yell let me this time.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Wow, looks like I held a mirror up to you.
How the turns table? Ashley Richards, Michael Scott, and I
want to kind of give myself and you and the
audience a reminder that I d in our opinion, my opinion,
I think we share it doesn't do great journalism. So
(06:46):
you know, the cuts that they put together, I think
if somebody cut my shit together, to God, they could
make me look real bad. You know, yeah, I think
they might try to make the de Paul's look pretty shitty.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
They want you to feel, they.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Want you to feel a certain way, right, But they
do say some stuff that's just kind of out of pocket,
like I'm so old that I love the that I
use like old lingo. The other day I said I'm
PTFO and somebody younger was like, what's that? What is that?
Passing the fuck out?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I've never heard that out of here. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I have to google it to make sure it's not
an acronym I made up. If I did. I'm proud,
I'm proud. No BTFO. What are letters. Well, I guess
it means play the fucking object, get out of here.
That's what the internet kind of says.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
No, you can't put anything that's not true on the Internet,
so that has.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
To be Yeah, but none of them say play the
fucking object. So the fact that I was like, I'm
play the fucking object is I've also said that a
bunch of times people were like, what is bitch talk about?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I thought I just like had a disconnect the younger
generation because I was like, oh, they're eating, and somebody
was like, no, Ashley, they're cooking, and once they fucking
killed it, then they ate. Do you know that, Aaron? No, Yeah,
we ate on those like Red Room and four Slash
eight Chan episodes. Yeah, you were cooking, Oh and we ate.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Okay, yeah, girl gotcha.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Apparently that's what the kids told me. One of them,
the young'uns, I was watching a film Cooper YouTube video
and uh, he was like, oh, they ate, and he
was like, I don't wait, no, I don't say that,
and then he said like a different slang. He's like, yeah, no,
that's not I don't say that one. So, yeah, we
are in the getaway car with the pauls and Natalia
(08:43):
well with I still prefer to call her Lady de
Paul over Nicole. So we've got Lady de Paul and
their biological daughter, Mackenzie and Natalia. They get off the
phone with Neil and Natalia says that she needs to
text her mom. The text message reads that she can't
be cut off from the world like that. She doesn't
(09:04):
want to hurt her. She loves them so much, and
she's so sorry. And like as somebody who left home
at thirteen or fourteen and left a fucking note a letter,
I remember feeling so fucking guilty. Yeah, I am so sorry,
because when you're a victim of abuse by your parents
(09:25):
are caretakers and you know, abandonment, neglect, all of that
is abuse, you still feel this like sense of connection
to them, even if they're terrible. Yes, absolutely, And she's
been with them for I think like ten years or
so long time. Yeah, And I mean it's it's a
cult and Antoine's a cult leader, so.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Right, she's brainwashed.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, but you know what, I think it was Yanya,
doctor Yanya Lalik, who told me that she doesn't like
the term brainwashing. Okay, I want to look that up
really quick. What did they well, indoctrinated Okay, I guess
I don't think that was Yanya's wording, but but I
think it's it's good.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It also says right here, do not cite or reprint
without author's permission. But you know what or homies. So okay,
but I still you know it's good to follow the rules.
I shouldn't say that. Yeah, so not brainwashed, we don't
want to say that, but indoctrinated, yes, I would imagine,
especially heavily. It's if it's this family that fucking rescued
you from Christine and Michael. Yeah, because the fuck. And
(10:27):
you know they're they have a direct connection to God
of course, you know. And Natalia in the documentary is
talking about this about how like she knows that Antoine
is like the real deal and stuff and sad. So
then we hear from a lady to Paul l d
(10:48):
I think we'll like Larry David, but but lady to
Paul but different. Yeah, she says that she's really surprised
that this is how Natalia is texting her. She couldn't
wait to get away from them, so like what And
I understand that most people don't really understand coercion and such.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Also, though, if you're going to take care of somebody
or you know, have a relationship with them in any way,
I think it's important to understand the after effects of
trauma and abuse and all of that and how that
colors the way that somebody might think or act. For example,
there was somebody in my life very close for a
(11:28):
long time that didn't really make an effort to understand
complex PTSD and how that shows up for somebody, and
it would really upset me because he would want me
to be able to control when I would go out
of my window of tolerance and my brain would flip
into lizard mode where your prefrontal cortex goes offline, and
(11:52):
he'd be like, well, you can't do that, And I'm like,
it's literal science. Like I'm working on it and trying
to work through my trauma, but you can't be better
than science. So I think it's important that if you're
going to try to be in somebody's life who needs
that extra support, that you try to understand their trauma
and how that will affect how they act. But like
I said, I don't trust this network or its editors
(12:16):
at all, So I'm sure they tried to make them
look worse, you know. I think they ask really leading
questions too.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, and LD was so they were so invested in Natalia,
you know, when she was younger, because they wanted her
so much to adopt her. And I think they were
just so wanting to reach out and to help her
that they didn't, like you said, do the research too,
because I went back and just watched the first episode
(12:43):
after we discussed it. Uh, And I think like Neil,
did you say Neil was with the husband's name, I
think he was more hesitant, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, He's like, hey, you know, she's she's been through
a lot at this point, and we don't really know
how that's going to show up.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So they were aware of that, Yeah, but was just
more gut like I want to go help without the
research and without the like more feelings, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And remembering Natalia I think as a child exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah. So I do think it comes from a very
good place from your heart for sure. Like you said,
ID just skews things how they want to skew things.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, And I think there was a little bit of
lack of obtaining of knowledge exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
So Cynthia, Cynthia Man's the butt Skis. Oh yeah, Cynthia,
but Ski, Guys, if you didn't listen to episode one,
you don't know what I'm talking about. And I kind
of feel like I don't want to tell you because
you have to go listen to episode one, but I'll
tell you. It's from It Takes Too, an Olsen Twin
movie from the nineties. One of the Twins is adopted
(13:45):
by this family named the butt Skis, who just foster
and adopt a bunch of kids for you know, government
money and slave labor because they just make the kids
work at their junkyard for free.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yes, sound like a fun premise for a kid's movie.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
The Kid's Ship is Wild, dude, right, Yeah. So Cynthia
calls and I wish there was like a transcript for this,
and I was going to do it, and I was
just like, no, I'll just play the call because listening
to them actually is it's pretty funny and telling. I
don't know if we could reenact it as well, so
I'm just going to play it instead. Okay, you know,
(14:21):
why did.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
You take her phone when She's a twenty year old.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Talking to somebody saying, Hey, what's wrong is that?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
That's your business?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Why have you never changed her? Pay each to herself?
That's why have you never gotten her or anything that
I know.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
You name.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I don't want to hear another word from your love.
You haven't done anything for you have brainwashed. It's terrible.
You would not tell anything. I'm sorry about this.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I mean nothing. I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You know, not the laddy you have not here. You
a doctor on you.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
You're we're about to come get you.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You the devil.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Were you able to understand that the most?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Because you know, there's music in the background, and there's
a lot of talking over each other, and Antoine pops
in in the background, Natalia pops in in the background,
standing up for parents. Quote parents, you're right, yeah, and
she says something later we'll get to that, but obviously,
you know, Lady de Paul, she cares. She's saying, why
(16:13):
are you keeping a twenty year old from her phone?
Why are you not giving her money? Why are you
doing all of this? That's none of your business. You're
the devil.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
You're the devil.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I love how they just keep bringing up everything is
like the devil.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Of course, I rebuke you.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I rebuke you. Uh, I rebuke you, devil. Then we're
back to an interview with Lady de paul LD and
she goes, so, now we're supposed to pay for everything,
which I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
It's like, didn't you kind of expect that though when
you took her in?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
They were expecting to get her government money too. You know,
she said being disabled is not cheap. Okay, agree, and
that would make sense. Yeah, and yeah, you would be
expecting or hoping for that, but also not like what
the fuck when you're adopted person, because she's twenty now, right,
has just gotten out of a decade long situation that
(17:08):
you yourself said was abusive and she was brainwashed. So
it's like, you know, so chill right. She definitely like
has animosity towards Natalia. It seems from the way they
cut the documentary it's like, I understand like getting frustrated,
but it's not Natalia's fault.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Now we see that interview with Natalia when she's like
ten years old, eleven twelve, looking completely like a child,
and she's in an interrogation. It looks like she says
that all her money goes to you know, sometimes they
get pizza. Some of it goes towards rent, which is
she's fine with because they're her payee, and other of
(17:51):
the money is tithing to the church, so that goes
to Antoine, right, And she's like, uh, I'm a child,
and I don't know. She doesn't say that, you know,
but yeah, that's what's going on, right, And then we
hear from Nancy Grace, sorry, Beth Carrass.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, the other Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Nancy's supposedly tight though, I'm gonna have to look into
that web a little bit more. And she says that
the butt skis with all of the kids they've adopted
and fostered, not the butt skis from the movie the
real ones, the man's is. She said that they could
be bringing in up to one hundred thousand dollars a
year with all of the government money and shit that
(18:30):
they receive.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Did they ever say how many kids they have?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I don't think so, I don't know, Okay, specify no.
So here's a clip from actually the beginning of the
call from Cynthia to Nicole or probably to Natalia because
she was probably blowing up Natalia's phone. You know this
free pony ry is done.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Well, you sneak to come here. It was days and
days of communication that she needs to leave. I don't
want to say.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
This, but I interrupted because this is important to me
and a mother. The numer of Natalia great God name man.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
That is my baby. I might not carry her, never her.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
That is my baby. I experience great that nobody ever does.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Of being like the funeral home. Why did you take
her phone when she's a te year old talking to
somebody as a kay, what's wrong? Without your business?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
She's talking about the fact that why has Natalia never
had surgery despite y'all being the payeaes, why have you
never made her the payee because she's an adult now,
she's over eighteen, and Cynthia's just like, it's none of
your business. It's none of your business. Actually, I just
reminded myself of Beth because I was thinking, Wow, you know,
(20:02):
she always adds real good comment Arry. She brings a
lot to the table. That was sarcasm, because all she
ever fucking does is recap what the fuck's already been said. Right, Yeah,
I'm actually going to play a little clip of that
later too. Because we've talked a lot of shit and
y'all have never actually heard from her, so I thought
that would be kind of fun. Now we're in upstate
(20:24):
New York. It's December twenty third, twenty twenty three, and
this is at the Manses House, where she currently resides.
Natalia says that she felt stuck with the Manses and
that she never thought she'd leave. She deeply regrets not
telling her parents before she left, and you know, she
feels really guilty. It's so sad, the guilt that she's
(20:46):
carrying for deciding to get out of an isolating, abusive situation,
right yeah, and still so apologetic to them. You know. Also,
the Mansas won't give her her ID, so I mean,
I feel like they could go get another one, but still,
I don't know. They're just fucking they're not playing ball.
(21:07):
They're assholes, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Right, Yeah, but if they have all her documents, they
could have her birth certificate. No they do, yeah, and
they're like, well you can't have anything.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, No, that's probably it, you know exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
We're taking all your money where we have all your documents,
so you literally can't.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You're fucked.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
You're yeah, you're fucked, and we know you're.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Fucked, which is what colts do exactly, and they keep
you locked away from the world.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You take your shoe away, make you feel guilty.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah. Actually, I was gonna wait to play another clip,
but this is actually where where Beth came in. I
just wanted to kind of share some of that amazing.
Let me read this part actually first, and Lady de
Paul says, now we're back to an interview with her.
She says, what am I in ATM? I don't get it.
And then it shows texts from Natalia, which honestly it
(22:00):
would also bother me, probably initially, but you have to
understand her situation. And it also doesn't say there's probably
a fucking text before this that's Nicole saying, running to Walmart,
what do you need or something? You know? Yeah? Eight
Color Silly Girls four through fourteen, soft undershirt, multi pack,
Color City Girls, socks, knee high stockings, cartoon animal warm
(22:23):
cotton socks. Food. I like pineapples, peach, yogurt, yo play,
I fucking love peach yogurt, beef ravioli, chocolate, and gummy bears.
It's a pretty good list. Do you cheese Ravioli.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I love gummy bears. I eat them all day.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I hope they don't still put horse hoofs, but I
haven't checked.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And gummy bears. Yeah, I'm just gonna keep eating them.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Gelatin used to be made with horses, that's right. Yeah,
ignorance is bliss.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
We're gonna ignore that, that's right.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, because we like her gummy bears.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, that could just be a list. She could have
been like, what foods do you like to eat? Oh,
here's my list exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So honestly, I feel like that's fucking id doing some bullshit. Yeah. Also,
at the end of one of the episodes from last season,
they show a clip of Michael doing an interview and
he says the thing, and then he goes, wait, do
(23:16):
you want me to say it one more time? But
like more dramatically.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yes, Yes, they definitely ask leading questions and probably say,
you know, I don't think that how you feel about
the situation came across or whatever they're so, you know,
they're manipulating shit.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
That didn't really work for us. Why don't you try
that again?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Right, So, here's a clip of our favorite journalist, Beth
Carass Beth Crass Grace or you know Natalia Grace Renee
Man's Cynthia's baby. You know, Beth could technically be like
Beth Nancy Grace Carass. Yes, yes, all right, So here's
(24:00):
a clip from our girls adding really fucking important commentary
like that stuff that we would in a cop probably
she So why is she.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Letting these people just keep it? It's okay, I don't
have that money to throw around, and neither does she.
So why is she letting these people just keep it?
So let's recap.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
The Depaus have taken Natalia in, but she doesn't have
any savings. She had money from doctor Phil from called
Fundmate and other media interviews, but she gave that money
to the Manses.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
So okay, she's got hurt.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Okay, so we didn't have the info before that some
of her money was from doctor Phil this or that,
but I don't think that fucking matters. She gave it
all to the fucking man'ses. That's what matters, right, great job, Beth.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
SSI benefits right about eight hundred dollars a month, No
she doesn't. She tells Cynthia that she can still be
paye of her SSI benefits, which, by the way, is
potentially illegal. And then within a few days it's Christmas
and Paul's.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So real quick, Yeah, we didn't know that was potentially illegal,
or that's not something I had thought of, but it's
probably now that I think about it, pretty obvious. And
she goes and it's a few days before Christmas. Like
I said, we're in upstate New York on December twenty third,
twenty twenty three. Right, we fucking know what gate it is?
All right, let's let her finish.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Up, and Paul's give for a cash gift, which Italian
gives to Cynthia. So you can imagine that Nicole and
Vince are asking themselves like Usa, Natalia, how.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Does she really hold on? She just said to Nicole
and Vince, his name is Neil. Yeah, that's clearly stated
many times. Did she just get his fucking name right?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Wow, that's your worst than I fucking thought. Okay, wrap up, Natalia.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
How does she really feel asking themselves like Housatalia? How
does she really feel about the man's Are they still
controlling her?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I am riveted by that. Thank god we got that recap.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
What the fuck does she bring to the table? Nothing
except her annoying ass voice and her dumb questions.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
It's so funny you say that, because anytime I watch
a documentary and she's on it, and my husband walks
in the room, he's like, oh my god, her again.
She's worthless.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, even he knows, and he doesn't even to watch
a lot of her fucking like we do. Unfortunately. Oh
my god, this is amazing. Okay, this read a post.
Why exactly do we need to have that blonde Nancy
Grace looking lady to explain everything we've just been seeing
two seconds after we just saw it. Oh, use her
(26:53):
her de Burbush Nerva. Love it. Amazing, point, that's so funny. Perfect,
that is so funny.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Then we have a couple. I love Beth carass I
do too, and comparing her to Nancy Grace is unfair. Okay.
These are the same people that yelled at me on
the Good American Family trailer when I commented that it
was a fucking hit piece. It's the same people that
are like, excuse me, I love bad journalism and mini
(27:25):
series that really twist the truth and make the victim
look bad.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
How dare you get upset about that?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
These are the same people also who fucking watch Andrew Tate.
That's true, So that's not the whole episode, but I
did think it was kind of a good stopping place
because we're going to do two more episodes that are
gonna cover three and four, and you know, I think
I'm gonna do a little bit more of a synopsis
on three, so we'll finish up episode two and the
synopsis on episode three in the next episode. I kind
(27:55):
of thought, you know, we've got a lot of clips
and stuff today and I wanted to get this to
the d in time to get it out to y'all
in time. So hope y'all are enjoying the documentary, right.
I think it's fun when we watch it and then
we get to be like, no, yes, what So sometimes
I guess kind of fun to watch shitty quote documentaries
(28:20):
if you know the case and you know what's.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Actually going on. Yeah, you've done the research.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
And y'all, we do it, we do it, we do
it well.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Especially if it's an ID documentary you have to.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Oh, yeah, just saying or just a really fucking good one, yea,
or just a really silly one, like oh my gosh,
the binger Bus that I did on John mccafee.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Oh, that's a good one. So that was an one.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He's wacky. It wasn't like a hit download wise, and
I get it, but I think it should have been
King of Kong fist full of quarters like I saw
that one. Well, you didn't listen to the recap, See,
you're one of the motherfuckers.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I'm sure I did. But you know how many episodes
i've listeno.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Okay, I have made over five hundreds, yes, and I'm no.
But it's about this like feud between good and evil.
Really about these two guys who are trying to win
the King of Kong. No King Kong thrown during like
a matches at arcades. Oh, it's amazing, you guys. It
really is good versus evil. It's like the fucking guy
(29:21):
who's the current not now but in the documentary Winner
or whatever is like such a fucking villain. It's hilarious.
He looks like one too. Anyways, that's a fun one.
So if you guys are just you know, fucking what's
it called by the seat of your pants or.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
No, flying by the seat of your pants.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
No, that's not it. Though. If you're just itchin' for
the next episode. It is already on Patreon. Yeah, if
you got answer in your pants or whatever, or you're
just like what happens next, which I get? I got Yeah,
Patreon dot com, slash tsfu or TSFU the podcast dot
com where you can find everything, including Bingo, which I
(29:58):
forgot to play both times that we recorded today, and Yeah,
episodes usually come out three days early over there, but
with this being kind of a multi part, trying to
get it out in time for the premiere of Good
American Fucking Family, which I will be watching Be Good,
Be Good, grudging Lee for y'all. Okay, I'm not gonna
(30:18):
like binge or bust it, but I need to know
how fucking bad it is.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
We do, ye, Yeah, we do? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah. If you can't support on the Patreon, totally fucking understandable, y'all.
And to anybody who has quit lately who feels bad, don't,
I totally get it, but if you could. A five
star rating on Spotify or Apple is always amazing. A
written review on Apple is even better, especially since the
last couple that we got were quite a while ago
(30:44):
and not super nice. One person said that we sing
too much. I'm never gonna stop that. So you don't
like that, you can peace out. And somebody else complained
about the fact that they didn't like a guest that
we had that fallen interview, but they have enjoyed other episodes,
So okay, you didn't like our guest and she didn't
(31:06):
complain about me as a host, or the regular TSFU.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Show complained about a guest one guest.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Come on, man, yeah, I love you, guys, love me,
please love me, help me. I'm poor, poor, and good
reviews too. I'm tired. This has been a lot. You know.
Earlier today we talked about eight Chan, and whenever I
talk about anything involving Beth or the Curious Case of
(31:35):
I can't help but think of the Bam situation too,
So it's like, yeah, bloods my mind. I'm like, oh
my god, Bam and Lima and fucking Mark and Natalia.
And if you guys are like, who are you talking about,
y'all haven't been listening. I covered the Curious Case of
Bam Margera and did an episode on Amanda rab which
kind of does a rundown on this whole fucking web
(31:57):
that I'm webbing with. Kristen our other resent, Aaron's webbing
the web, basically.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
The dark Web.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
We haven't even talked about that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I know, we haven't even got to that yet.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Which, by the way, was created by the government. Yes,
of course it was, right. Yeah, So let's do a
good show recommendation. What have you been watching? That's good.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I've been watching Severance Okay, that's on Apple TV, right, yes,
and I don't have Apple TV. Okay, how about The
Righteous Jumpstones.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I don't fucking like it. I cannot get on board.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Why.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I don't know, dude. I love the cast.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It's the funniest show ever ever.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I would highly disagree with you, guys. But if you
do have Max, I will give a suggestion from Max.
Go ahead. Have you watched the other two? No, it's
like a kind of satirical show. The character is based
on Justin Bieber, but the show's not about him. It's
about his loser siblings. But they're pointing out all of
this like weird stuff in our culture that is fucking weird.
(32:53):
They're like, oh my god, you guys, we found the
hottest twelve year old because you know, like it's they've
been sexualizing b Bar since he was a kid, right, Yeah,
the armpit picture. You're like, oh, dude, we're gonna do
the pit picture because he's a man now, and that's
what's sexy. I was thinking about it, and that kind
(33:15):
of is true. You know, on the men's magazines, it's
like arm up pit pick. I like to masturbate too,
just armpit pictures. That's my kink. So yeah, apparently Aaron's
suggestion is the Righteous Gemstones, And as somebody who's like
obsessed with televangelists and shit, I can't believe that I'm
(33:36):
not on board.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's so funny.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I know I've tried. I've really tried. I say the
other two you guys, which Aaron you have to try
since you haven't.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I will try it, but you have to revisit Righteous Gemstones.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I've already done it, like I already revisited it on ROBERTA.
Blevins's recommendation. Okay, so look that's two other people besides
me that love the show, you guys, so whatever, give
it a try, I guess, or if you want something
kind of serious, did you watch Westworld? Yes, fucking loved Westworld.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I loved the first season.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Okay, fine, I agree. Did go Downhill.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
The first season was freaking amazing.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I still loved it though, And yeah, the first season
just wow. Yeah, I love Evan Rachel would yeah, And
I hate Marilyn Manson, I know. Or did you watch
The Night Of?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I did?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Also so good, you guys, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
It was really good.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
So those are our serious recommendations that we both totally
agree on. Yes, we must have kind of different senses
of humor when it comes to like what kind of
TV shows we like, Yes, but not in our way
of having a very dark sense of humor about the
worst topics, because you have to.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I have one question for you. Have you seen Session nine?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
That was the perfect ending you welcome you guys if
you're a longtime listener or you've you know, you're newish,
but you've gone back through the catalog. That was a
joke between Cam and I. Who uh her and I
did it the first one hundred episodes together, which are
all great and on the Patreon commercial free. But we
were talking about like scary movies that we love, and
(35:11):
I asked her if she if she'd seen Session nine.
You guys, it's so good, and then that just became
a joke. I think it's because I asked her two
or three times, like realistically, because I just guess my memory,
you know. And then Aaron just brought it up the
other day and I was like, dude, fuck, yeah the
fuck yeah, because it's so good the movie and the comment, yes, yeah,
(35:36):
and I would laugh every time the comment was amazing.
I know, I'm hilarious. Well that's it for today, y'all.
Hope you enjoyed that little moment of lightness at the
end and go check out those recommendations and you know
it's funny. I would say that was real as fuck,
but like it wasn't because it was an ID doc,
(35:56):
so it was real fucked up though.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah, that's ID made it right.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, I guess as real as I d gets.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
So they're the same company as t l C. Right,
yeah they are. So if that doesn't tell you something, guys,
now it does. So bye and we'll see you next time. Bye.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Bye. That's hot up, got job so fucked up. It's
just really that's what the
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