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Ash and Erin wrap up the shit show that is The Curious Case of Natalia Grace (TCCoNG) with episodes 3 and 4- The Hell Loop and Breaking the Chains!
S3 E3- The Hell Loop: "Natalia moves in with the DePauls, yet Cynthia and Antwon's grip tightens from afar; Natalia's presence ignites chaos, driving a wedge between Nicole and Vince and pushing Vince to the brink of leaving." - IMDbS3 E4- Breaking the Chains: "Natalia fights to break free from the suffocating grip of her manipulative parents, Cynthia and Antwon; as their deceit unravels, she reclaims her life with a new, loving family." - IMDb
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Ash and Erin wrap up the shit show that is The Curious Case of Natalia Grace (TCCoNG) with episodes 3 and 4- The Hell Loop and Breaking the Chains!
S3 E3- The Hell Loop: "Natalia moves in with the DePauls, yet Cynthia and Antwon's grip tightens from afar; Natalia's presence ignites chaos, driving a wedge between Nicole and Vince and pushing Vince to the brink of leaving." - IMDbS3 E4- Breaking the Chains: "Natalia fights to break free from the suffocating grip of her manipulative parents, Cynthia and Antwon; as their deceit unravels, she reclaims her life with a new, loving family." - IMDb
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Fuck you for going along with this ship and Fox.
You don't think that Natalia is gonna see this ship
and be like, Wow, everybody thinks I'm a fucking burden,
even these people that I'm now living with, Like, God,
fuck yourselves. I hate everybody. I hate them all. I
don't even care. I don't care. They're the least bad
out of everybody. That's what I'll give them. The fucking
de Paul's that is so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It's fucked up, so fucked up, it is just so
damn fuck.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
That's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Who I'm excited. I'm excited to fucking wrap this bitch up.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
For the conclusion, maybe maybe maybe, I mean.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Then we also do still have to watch Good American Family,
but we're gonna be doing that week by week instead
of just shoving it down our throats all at once.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Thought we said we were gonna shove it down our
throats all at once, so we didn't have to do
it week by week.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh that's right, Oh that's right. No, we did. We did.
We did. We did because we wanted to take a
prolonged break from it. Yes, because they're making us, man,
I know, I know. If you've been listening. What we
didn't know how you felt about this. No, hey, everybody,
welcome back. This is That's So Fucked Up, a podcast
about things that make you say that's so fucked up.
(01:26):
We are your hosts. I am Ashley Love Richards, and
today I am joined by this.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Gal, Aaron Collins.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Hello, miss Aaron Collins. Yes, if you are new to
the show, or you just press play on a random episode, Well,
if you're new, welcome and you know what, thanks for
being here. To all of our other fucking listeners. What's
up you guys. Shout out to you for being here. Yeah. Also,
(01:56):
we have some Patreon shout outs to do. I would
like to say thank you so much to our newest
patrons Hannah B, Joanne, Charlotte P, nony El, Alex P
and Nelsa rejoined. Thank you so much, Nilsa. I know
(02:16):
some patrons have had to leave for financial reasons, and
that is one thousand percent understandable. I totally get it, y'all.
If you have had to just please know that I
don't take it personally. Well, I do, and then I
go to therapy and I remember that not everything's about me.
For those of y'all who have stuck around. I appreciate
(02:36):
it so much. And if you guys can't afford five
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(02:59):
We might not be perfect, but you like us. Just
give us five stars or a review, a written review.
It is always super appreciated. And you know, tell a
friend or ten. That's pretty much all. I kind of
just wanted to like pop into this today and wrap
it up for ourselves and the people.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Like I said, if you're new here or you're just
jumping in, this is the finale. You know air quotes
I don't know of the Curious Case of Natalia Grace
season three, And if you have not listened to the
first episodes, we covered the first two episodes already, and
in this last episode we're covering episode three and four.
(03:37):
We also covered season two of the show last year
and this year. Earlier this month, I put out like
megamixes so that y'all didn't have to listen to the
intro and outro and random banter of all the episodes.
So you got all seven episodes on Natalia Grace from
last year in three long episodes, So if you haven't
(04:00):
listened to those yet, I would highly recommend listening to
those first, or at least listening to the first couple
episodes of this season. We are talking about miss Natalia,
and you know, we love Natalia and we hate everybody else,
and we'll wrap up our feelings today. Let's get into it, Aaron.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Okay, even I'm pretty sure everybody knows our feelings, but
if they don't, they all know.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
By the end of this or probably pretty quickly. Honestly.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Episode three, so we ended when you wrapped up with two.
We were talking about other people that were being interviewed
in alleging abuse by the Man's. Correct.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yes, yes, we had a few people who came and
said that the mans had done terrible things to them
and that they're terrible people.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So three opens where they are showing the videos of
those interviews to the DePaul's, because of course, the Pauls
are trying to figure out why Natalia is. You know,
we know why she's acting the way she is, but nobody,
you know, the de Pauls are shocked and they don't
understand why, you know, she's defending the man's and why
(05:12):
she won't talk about what happened if she needed to
be rescued like she did.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Maybe because she's scared.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Right, So they show them this video of all these interviews,
and of course they're shocked and appalled, and this is
where they realize that, oh my gosh, she's been afraid
to say anything, which should not be shocking.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Come on, right, But we've also acknowledged quite a few
times that the production team at Investigation Discovery is not
the most professional or savory.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Right exactly. And then they kind of start going into
Lady de Paul as we call her, which is what
I put in my notes.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I want to just start calling everybody that, Hello Lady Colins.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
This, Hello Lady ash So, Lady DePaul. She wants Natalia
to go get therapy, but she's like, well, if someone
refuses to help themselves, you really can't force them. So
I'm not really sure how this is going to play out.
That's what she says.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
That is true. Though it is true. Can't force somebody
who doesn't want help, and that's with mental health issues
or substance abuse. Yeah, unfortunately, it's not on your time.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
They also try to get Natalia to come watch the
videos with them, and Natalia refused. She refuses, and she
shuts down when she's questions, and of course she's continuing
to defend the man's m.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
She's getting pretty defensive exactly right, pretty angry.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And she actually even goes as far as stating that
the children are lying when they try to tell her
what's in the video. She's like, well, that kid's lying
and the father told them to lie. And Lady DePaul
actually says, that's kind of funny that she's stating that,
because that's what they literally said. Everybody literally said that
about Natalia. Remember you know when Natalia was saying she oh,
(06:54):
she's a liar, right, And that's exactly what they said
about Natalia. But the mans have this into her head
to say this, So it's not shocking to me that
she's sticking by this.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Story, yeah at all. Yeah, especially if your fucking abusers
still have a lot of control over your life. Exactly.
It's all control over all her finances and shit.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
And she's still calling and talking to them and daily.
And then it switches to our favorite person. Guess who,
Beth Bath.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh my god, I want to do an episode just
about Bath actually and just play a bunch of clips
of her. Yeah, now we're going to do that.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Actually, my notes just said Beth blah blah blah blah,
because she just restates everything I just told you.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, uh uh yeah, that's all.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Her purposes, that's all she's doing. Like we said many times,
she's not adding anything to the conversation.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
It was like, by the end of the episode, you
guys will know how we feel. I thought I figured
it would be quite a bit quicker than that.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So she tells us everything I just told you, so
we don't need to get into that. And then it
goes back to Lady de Paul and she starts dating
that there's a public Natalia in a private Natalia and
public Natalia on camera.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Sorry, who the fuck doesn't have a public and private
version of themselves? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Exactly exactly?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I heard something It's like who you think you are,
who other people think you are, and who you actually
are or something like that, and I was like, damn, yeah, real, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
She's like, well, public, Natalia defends the man's right on camera,
but in private she states the truth. Like she's starting
to drop little hints about what really went on, and
there's little nuggets of truth that are starting to come forward.
And then they have house cameras all around their house, so.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
She the depauls.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
The depauls, do you know people have security cameras and
stuff around their house?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I always think it's a little weird when it's
inside the house.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I do too. But then she's like, well, so then
I added more cameras. Natalia knew there were cameras here,
but then I decided to add more. So she's literally
got a camera in the kitchen, in the living room outside. Why.
I think she wants to hear what Natalia's saying, which
is a little creepy, right.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Dude, that's really fun. Yeah, that's such an invasion of
her privacy.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
But I'm wondering did she do that or did ID
say we want you to do this so we can
hear what's going on. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Right? Yeah, it's really hard to say, and that's why
we try to keep going back to like, Okay, obviously,
Ida's try to make them not look good. They're not
trying to make anybody look good, right, and then the
process they're making themselves look terrible too.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Then this kind of bombshell comes out. So Lady de
Paul starts to dawn on her. She's like, oh my gosh,
I wonder if the man's are black? Meilee, Natalia, no shit,
But here's the reason. And this is funny because she's
telling the story and it's funny. She's like, I was
walking down, I was, you know, Dowt in the hall,
and I could hear Natalia having videos sex with Neil.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I hate this.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It's funny though, because she's like, our walls are really thin.
I don't give a shit. She's old enough, she can
do what she wants. I don't care, you know, she's
said up first, when she heard it, she thought it
was her husband, Vince, and she was like, gosh, she
needs to be quiet. But then she realized it was Natalia.
So it was kind of funny the way she was
talking about it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I know, I just didn't love that. It was like,
that's not your fucking business to tell dude.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
No it's not that is true, you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Not that made me uncomfortable. Yeah, why are you fucking
telling the whole crew and the whole world what Natalia's
doing with her sex life behind closed doors?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, but then she says they even added additional soundproofing
to her doors because it was that loud because the
walls are so thin. Then she finds out that apparently
when Natalia was at the Man's, she was dating somebody else,
since she had sent images to another man and the
man's had caught her. So she's wondering if the man's,
(10:59):
you know, are holding this over Natalia's head, Like, if
you don't listen to us and do what we say,
we're going to release these images that we have.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That just shows that Natalia is obviously pretty fucking protective
about her sex privacy. So why are you talking about
this on camera? LD Lady to Paul Larry David, You
should start calling her LD just for this last episode.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Do you want to hear a clip of Natalia talking
about this?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Sure? All right? So you're day like, if they put
those news out, they just start a whole more and
my parents are gonna come out and see they're gonna talk.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I feel like that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
And it hurts because I never thought in my entire
life that they had to do that to me. But
I'm really really start nothing with. Man, it's always the
people that you like expect not to really fuck you
over that do what is that? I don't like it? Right?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah? And then Miss Beth reminds us of everything we
literally just flashed with the sound clip. Here you go.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
We'll do anything to make sure that Antoine and Cynthia
are not going to turn against her. I'm not going
to say anything bad about her, reveal her secret. She
doesn't want to hurt them, but she's also fearful of
them because they know something apparently that she does not
want revealed. But what's even more startling is that they
start to bring in other members of their family to
(12:26):
harass Natalia and Neil. And this is where things get
really ugly.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Fucking just gold nuggets of wisdom.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Beth adds so much to the conversation.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, I'm so doing an episode about Beth. I'm going
to fucking find out who this bitch is and then
send it to her. Yeah, let's do it. I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Of course, Cynthia is still the payee for Natalia, and
Natalia's bought them a new trailer, so fucked all her
money's still going to them. March twenty twenty four, Natalia's
calls them and she's asking for her money. She's on
the phone with them, the man's agree. They're like, how
about we just give you twenty five grand and then
(13:07):
if we do that, then you have no right to
the house that you bought us or anything else, but
we'll still remain your paye. And Natalia is like, okay,
that sounds good.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
What and it's like yeah, and why why are you
remaining the payee? She's an adult, she doesn't live with you.
Why doesn't the fucking government step in?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
And she doesn't know any better and she's afraid. It's
just it's it's so frustrating.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Fuck the man's dude.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
There's this one scene which I think id of course,
totally blows out a proportion where Lady DePaul's confronts Natalia
on camera and she's like, why aren't you And I
think she did it in the first two episodes too,
where she's like trying to get her to talk and
Natalia just gets real quiet, and it's like, I don't
want to talk about that on camera. Do you know
(13:54):
which scene I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yah? So it's the same scene.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yes, it's the same scene, and they keep going back
to it. Now all of a sudden, Lady Paul's like, well,
it was just really weird when I confronted her, because
it was like she switched it. She was glaring at
me and it was daggers and it was kind of scary.
Come on, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Again, let's put a fucking a shadow in everybody's mind
that Natalia is scary. Maybe she is, but so am
I the fuck If you put me in the right position,
I can be scary as shit.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah. If you corner me and want me to talk
about something and I don't, yeah, I'm gonna get pissed
leave me alone. Especially on camera.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
It's like when you corner a traumatized animal, they're gonna
fucking growl and or attack.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yes, And this is also when Natalia actually finally kind
of starts turning. Natalia is recording her conversations with Lady
de Paul because the man's are.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Asking me too, Fuck, this is so right awkward.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And I put a caveat on that only because this
is coming from Lady to Paul, So I don't know
if that's true or not, because Natalia has her phone
down and she's like, well, she started recording me, and
then she's playing it because Cynthia is asking, which I
one hundred percent believe Cynthia.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Asked, trying to do totally totally shady at ship, and
she's afraid of her, and I'm sure she loves her
as well, because that's the thing with parents. They can
treat us like ship and we still have this stupid
bond with them and our bodies or parts or something.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So this is about the time where Lady to Paul
is she's had enough and she wants to get on
a phone call with the man's So here we go, Yeah,
I wore here.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
If she wants to deal with this guy, then why
did you guys jump off over her head?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
This guy?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
What are you talking about? He got a hateful messages
that I don't stop trying to.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Her idea has been inspired for eight years.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Because the cow is not your child.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Go for house without money, you guys, let all that
money you don't needn't worry about our finances. I just
told you stop interrupting a gree You're gonna use some
of those funds that you got from fundring to buy
her a house.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
That's her favorite fucking phrase. That's une of your business.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
This one's a little long, but they just scream and
go on for so long it's so funny. So I'm
just gonna keep going a little bit longer.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
As the answers. You know, every time I asked you,
why you don't mynds your business? That is not your daughter,
that is mine.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
I don't want you.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
But I'm trying to help you help your daughter. Don't
you want that? It's not your business, it is my business.
Excuse me, but you guys literally put me inside your
business when to tell ya, thank me to pick her up?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
So it is now my business.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Going forward, Cynthia, you listen and respect her as an adult.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
She's not a child.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Don't tell me what to do. Don't tell me what
to do.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, and you've also received soul security income for her
in eleven minutes. Yeah, that's my job. Good job, visit,
and good job for taking her hair her hey, good
job forgetting her medical care and all of her school,
her driver's license in my room when I have Cynthia,
(17:35):
you can't tell me what to do in my house.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Okay, Like neither of them are listening to each other
each other. They're just talking over each other the whole time. Yeah,
and then Antoine pops in like once in a while,
like hey, now cut it out.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I have one more because they just she just doesn't stop.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
And I'm used to do with it.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
They call me the devil.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I'm the devil.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Read what you're so to you to make it seem
like her parents.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
No, you got to go into the home doctors in.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Your opinion, it's not my opinion.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It's not Anta's bishop, it's the doctor in trying to finish,
I think I want to talk to my daughter. Long ago,
we still told Natalia that if it comes to a
point and she wants to come home, she's welcome. You
having your grace friend name Van knows the truth.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
We good.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Every time.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
And from your baby.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Poor Natalia honestly like to be stuck in the middle
of this fuck.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I mean, it goes on for a while. They said
that she could pray away her condition, and that's why
they didn't get her the surgeries.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, oh oh that's fun. Yeah, I don't think you
should have freedom of religion when your religion says we
don't medically treat people.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
And after that phone call, everything kind of blows up
and Natalia's like, I want to leave. She says, she
wants to leave, but then she decides to stay. It
was like a two minute thing. She wanted to leave,
and it was one night, and then the next morning
she's like, no, I'm going to stay.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
That makes sense though, to be like wishy washy, you're
kind of like fucked in both places, and it's easy
to go to what you're comfortable with.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
You know it is, yes, it is, And.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
She might just feel hopeless. I'm never going to get
away from them anyways, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
So why don't I just go back to what I know?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Because obviously she's probably thinking she's causing a big burden
and problem in their fucking house.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Well, and that's what's funny, because then, fucking Beth, that's
exactly what she says.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
How do I keep calling this? This is? You know?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
She comes in with all her words of wisdom and
she's like, well, Natalia has come into yet another family,
and look what happens.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Oh my god, yeah, it's Natalia's best Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, so literally the episode ends with Lady de Paul
discussing her decision of bringing Natalia to her home with
her daughter and husband, and it just seems totally staged.
Of course, it just the whole thing. They were like, well,
what are you gonna do? Are you gonna how do
you feel about that? It just seemed totally cry.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Also, you know, the husband threatens to leave right because
he's like, yes, this is super intense. The daughter, Mackenzie too, says, well,
you know, my mom chose Natalia over her marriage. It's
so sad that she is made out to be such
a fucking burden everywhere she goes.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And that's what I mean when it feels like it's
so staged, because she like sits outside on the patio
to have this conversation with her daughter about the decision
of bringing Natalia in and how her daughter's feeling, and
just the whole thing just seems like such a setup. Okay,
you guys go here and you sit here and talk
and now talk about the burden that Natalia is bringing
on you.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
This is not how documentaries are supposed to be. They're
supposed to be just observing what's going on.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
And that's how it ended. And then my last comment
on the third episode was no Michael.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Ah what not a single moment of levity Michael. Nothing
at least to show one shot of him in his
fucking sports car like every episode, like just anything, just you.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Know, there was nothing. So that was three.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Okay, episode three in the bag. Let's fucking wrap this
bitch up. We better have some Michael at least for
the end. Well ah, oh my god, her face.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Okay, So going into four tribe stage situation is what
ID likes to do.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Right, because I love it.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
That's where we ended with three, so that's where we're
going in with four.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
This is such a fucking reality show. I don't know
how they're getting away with calling it a documentary.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I keep saying it's gross, but I don't know what
else to call it, because it just it just that's
what it is. It just feels gross because it just
starts off and it's Vince is talking about leaving and he's,
you know, been up against this decision of bringing Natalia
in from the start, and like he basically says, it's
himmered Italia. And first of all, why would you say
(22:35):
that you have to choose me or Natalia? I just
I hate it.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
It's not like me or this other man. It's not
like choosing between this guy that you're having a fucking
affair with or something. It's like this child that you
want to say.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yes exactly, it's just twenty one.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And that's the legally adult and mentally a baby.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
She's been through so much and you're just gonna be like, well,
you either pick her or you pick me and just
throw her back to what the freaking where.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
She's gon on TV? That's going to be nice exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, And they do this whole rigamarole, this whole thing,
and then ultimately it's like he decides to stay. So
what was the point of all that? So to me,
it just proves that the whole thing was just rama, right,
And it just proves to me that the whole thing
was just set up. And I don't even know if
any of it was true, if it was just the
whole thing was contrived, like idea lead exactly exactly. Because
(23:25):
I don't really think at the heart of it that
he's that type of person. I would like to think
that personally, because I really do think they're nice people.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Right, Yeah, I think if we're gonna go with like
default blaming somebody, it should be idea.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
It's ID one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
And guess what, our best friend Beth comes in and
remind me, and she reminds us what we literally just watched.
But guess what we get a sound clip with I'm
just gonna play it.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Look, when it comes to Nicole and Vince's marriage, it's
amazing that Natalia has caused all of this drama and
chaos in yet another household.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
By the time, I have no I have no childre,
I have no home, I have nob I.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Never entered our lives, I never get divorced, and makes
you wonder if a stable family like the can't figure
it out, who can.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
This has been really hard on our family hold on
after Michael has called Christine a fucking like monster and
blah blah. I would have never got divorced if it
wasn't for Natalia.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It was Italia.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Sympathy card lost you fuck because I really have tried
to give Michael some fucking grace throughout this. I really have,
because it sounds like he was a victim as well.
But no, fuck you, Michael, fuck no you.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
And only because I'm going back and rewatching this ship
because I'm showing it to my husband because I'm making
him watch what.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Actually, I better fucking know this judge, motherfucker. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So when rewatching all this Michael shit, and it's just
all woe is me? Look at me? None of this
is my fault. I was a victim too, That's all
it is. He's just passing the buck and passing the blame.
And then he's got that one clip too where he's like,
do you want me to play that up a little
more because you know I can do it better. He's
full of shit.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, I could dramatize that that one you want. Yeah,
and then he sits down with Natalia and totally invalidates
her experience by being like, we had the same monster.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
It's like, yeah, you're you both had you and Christine
in common as the same monster.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Uh huh yeah yeah, except you were an adult and
you could have fucking stopped it, and you fucking didn't.
You jerk, you jerk, that was my nice word.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You're a cunt, Michael.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yes, yes, that's much better than jerk.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
So then Natalia starts talking about how you know, she
doesn't like putting her problems on anyone, so she keeps
everything inside, which I totally identify with.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, why the fuck would she be vulnerable and tell
people what's going on?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Right? And who doesn't keep everything inside and not like
word vomit all there? You know what I mean a
lot of people do that, just keep it inside.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But especially when anytime you fucking share each personal shit
with somebody, it gets twisted and fucking repeated and used
against you.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yes, you're told you're a liar, and.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, everywhere you go, you just fucking wreck shit, Like
how do these people sleep at night? Seriously?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
And then we're introduced to a rehabilitation psychologist and foster
care director. This is a woman. Her name is Melissa Missigattis.
I don't know if I'm saying that right, but this
is a friend of Lady de Paul's, and I'm just
curious why she didn't talk to her from the very beginning,
(26:52):
right right? Yeah, So again this makes me wonder if
this isn't an ID setup, because you know, she's sitting
here talking to.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Her, is this a really really friend?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Exactly? Because she's acts like she's totally shocked by everything
that Melissa tells her, because you know, they're sitting down
and they're, you know, having this conversation that's obviously set up,
and she's like, well, Natalia has reactive attachment disorder. And
she's like, oh, I had no idea. I didn't know.
She's like, this is unaddressed trauma. You know, she's been
(27:23):
in the foster system and hasn't been able to bond
with anybody. Natalia herself says she doesn't like being left.
She states this directly.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, you know, she says, all these.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
People bring her in, a family brings her in, and
they're like, we love you and we care about you.
She's like, and then they leave. She's like, so she
doesn't trust anybody. And she says, I can't handle caring
about people anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I can't imagine the effect that kind of neglect and
abandonment rights on you, because I've experienced a fraction of
that and it's fucked with me my whole life.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Right, And this is family after family, like starting in Ukraine,
and then it's one family after another family, right, And
then you know, she talks about how it's hard enough
for anyone to talk about their trauma, let alone someone
who has been through the amount of trauma that she
has been through. You know, a person right like a
(28:14):
fourth of the trauma that she's gone through has a
hard time talking about that, but let alone somebody right
with the amount that she has.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Imagine, And for anybody who doesn't know, this is a
like a fact, abandonment and neglect and emotional and mental
abuse are just as destrimental as physical or sexual or
other types of abuse. I think a lot of people
don't think of those as as serious of forms or
as damaging or whatever, and they absolutely are. Yes, So
(28:45):
just in case anybody feels like their experience is lesser,
it's not.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
And I just think it's really interesting that Lady de
paul is just shocked by this information and like it's
the first time she's hearing it or absorbed it or
really opening her eyes to it. Because to me, it
seems kind of obvious. But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
So I'm gonna go ahead and throw my ex partner
under the bust right now. Okay, if you're going to
have a sort of very close and meaningful relationship with
somebody where you're I don't know, like their parent, parental figure,
or their life partner, and that person is deeply traumatized,
Maybe do some fucking research on what that person is
(29:38):
bent through, how that affects the fucking brain and your
body chemistry, and then deal accordingly. Like, yes, of course,
the person who is traumatized and has these you know,
reactions and stuff like, of course, it's our fucking duty
to try to go figure that out and do better
and stuff, because it's not an excuse to treat other
(29:59):
people shitty or be a flosi or whatever because of
what's happened to you. There is definitely a responsibility on
you to try to work through that shit. It's also
I believe, on the people who willingly decide to be
in a position where they're one of the primary people
in your life. Read a couple fucking books, Jesus Christ,
(30:19):
go on YouTube, listen to a psychologist, for the love
of God, Stop being so pissed off at traumatized people
and fucking learn about it a little bit. Wooh soapbox
like it pisses me the fuck off, dude. Stop going
into relationship ships with people that have issues if you're
not willing to understand and learn and work with them,
(30:39):
and instead you're just going to further their trauma by
doing this fucking shit. Ooh, like sorry, I don't care
if I d set it up. Fuck you for going
along with this shit, you fox. You don't think that
Natalia is gonna see this shit and be like, Wow,
everybody thinks I'm a fucking burden, even these people that
I'm now living with, Like, go fuck yourselves. I hate everybody.
I hate them all. I don't even care. I don't care.
(31:01):
They're the least bad out of everybody. That's what I'll
give them. The fucking de Paul's is that they're the
best out of all of what's happened, and it's not
good enough.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I guess that's what I mean. Like, if you're going
to take her under your wing and bring her into
your house, you wouldn't have done that research, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
It Just like I know first fucking hand that people
don't bother to do that shit, and they're like, hey, listen, yeah,
that happened before. Now you're here and it's all good,
so chill the fuck out.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Ye, because that's how that works.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
And then I'm supposed to build trust with you knowing
that you're talking shit about me and think that I'm
a fucking burden. Ok Okay, yeah, fuck off, Like at
least with the man's Like, yeah, they were abusive, but
they fucking kept her around for like a decade. That's
got to mean something to her when everybody else fucking
just gets rid of her.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But they kept her around because they wanted her money.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Oh of course. But I'm saying in her mind, yeah,
they're the ones who didn't fucking abandon her.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
True.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
If you guys can't tell I didn't watch this. I
wanted to have some real react reaction. Yeah, this is
real shit right here.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
So then they go back to Natalia's finances because you know,
they're always doing this circle dance around her finances because
she's still on the hook to pay for her taxes
because she's been doing these appearances, right, and she's been
getting income from the appearances.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Okay. Also, I just want to point out that a
lot of people don't realize that financial trauma is like
a realize type of trauma.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
If you've been financially abused or you've lived in poverty.
Financial trauma is a big one for me, like discussions
of money make me very fucking uncomfortable, very uncomfortable. She
has been stolen from, manipulated. The amount of financial trauma
that she has I'm sure also is immense. And then
(32:56):
to hear people fighting about it all the time, Natalia,
you know what, girl, just come be my roommate, little
golden girls it it'll be great.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
And I don't think anybody's ever actually sat down with
her and explained to her how to handle her finances
and what money it is, all this hit how to
do this because the man's are just taking it from her,
So she doesn't.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Know where would she have learned this information.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Exactly, She's never had it to understand how to deal
with it because they're just taking it from her.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Most people who have like a fucking high school education
and shit, which she does not, right, have very little
financial literacy, including me. That's not like real simple shit,
No it's not.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
And you know, for the depauls to be like, well
you need to take care of this, like you have
to really sit down with her and simply you have
to physically help her, yeah, not like yell at her
and say this is you need to do this. And
I think that's one of the things too, Like I
hated it when people were always like, you need to
do this, and do this, and do this. I don't
like being told what I need to do. That's a
(33:55):
big trigger for me is being told what I need
to do.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
That because you've been fucking figuring out your own ship
for forty plus years and you don't need this fucking
fuck to come in and tell you what's up. Go
fuck yourself, exactly. I can't relate to that at all. No, See,
I think that's why Natalia's story triggers me in a
lot of senses. Yeah, because she's just a very fucking
(34:18):
extreme example of what myself and several people that I
love have been through.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Exactly. So she's on the hook because she's had all
these appearances and now all of a sudden, she's got
to pay taxes on these appearances. But everything she's received
has gone to the butt skis.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, that's such a more appropriate name for them.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
The butt skis are what we call the mans in
case you haven't listened to the other episodes.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Which would be wild you guys, come on, come on.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
So she thinks nat Datalia's like, well, they're gonna give
me that money because they said they were gonna pay it,
So of course she calls the man's and they, of
course they're like, we're not going to pay it. Like
Cynthia literally goes, oh honey, she goes that devil is
a liar, because you know how Cynthia talks that devil
is a liar.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, they love bringing up the devil.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
So Natalia finally she's like, they're not gonna give me
that money, and she verifies that they're not paying. No,
they're not going to give you the money, like you're
on the hook to pay these taxes.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I hate them, yeah, I hate everybody.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
And then this is where Adi does this. They're like, well,
then all of a sudden, Natalia does a one eighty
turn and she has an open mind, like all of
a sudden, all of a sudden, she has a one
eighty turn because she had that one phone call with
them and they said they weren't going to give her money.
And then she clicks and decides, Okay, that's the I mean,
maybe it is. I don't know, it could have been,
(35:45):
that could have been. What did it?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
We just got to take everything these fuckers tell us
with a grain of salt.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Right, But then all of a sudden, they're like, oh, well,
that's what did it. And she finally opened her eyes
and saw demands for what they were. She does a
one eighty turn. She opens her mind and she stops
talking to the man's.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
It's not that she didn't have a fucking open mind before.
She's afraid.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, and she decides she's not gonna talk to them anymore.
She's like, they will never know my kids. I can't
believe that they did this to me. And this is
on tape because of course, Lady de Paul's got all
the cameras in her house, so you can hear Natalia
saying all this. And then she goes out and gets
her hair done and her nails done and her ears pierced.
(36:27):
And this is a big deal actually for Natalia because
she couldn't do any of that. The man's wouldn't let
her do that because that's the devil's work.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Sorry, that's like basic fucking like shit that girls like
to do.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
But that's the devil's work, and that's why she couldn't
do it before. So it was a big deal, right,
And here's your big takeaway from this last episode, because
she decides she's gonna go to the UK because she
wants to go visit Neil. Right, she just doesn't have
a passport, so she has to go get a passport.
So they go to see an immigration attorney. Homeland Secure
(37:00):
already stated that Indiana is full of shit with their reaging.
They're like, we don't know what this is, but this
isn't a thing bullshit. It's bullshit.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
It absolutely is.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
And they changed her birthday back to what it should
have been.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Oh good, I like that.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I do too. But here's the thing. It was such
like a little throwaway line. I was like, why isn't
this a bigger deal to me? That's like the biggest because.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
They fucking hate Natalia. Because they hate her, This network
hates her. Makes me so sad.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I missed it the first time and I had to.
I'm like, wait a minute, because it was such a
one line thing.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Oh my god, that just like proves her entire innocence right,
that she was a child this entire time we knew,
and it's still a child as you're continuing to exploit her.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yes, this one little line is kind of a big
deal in you just like, oh, by the way, the immigration.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Oh way, she's totally been a kid this whole time,
and uh, don't get mad at her.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Homeland Security said that Indiana was full of shit and
they fixed it. But we're just going to throw that
in the middle of the episode there, so in case you.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Miss it, you mean at the end of the episode.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
No, it's in the middle, just like shoved in there.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Oh oh, Because then there's.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
This big thing about her going to visit Neil in
the UK, which is good and she's, you know, happy
changed person, and then it literally ends with her going
to New York City with the Man's and everything because
she's got a People magazine interview.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
She's going to New York City with the Man's or
the DePaul de Paul's. I'm sorry, not the man Okay,
no worries.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
The whole episode is just worthless to me other than
that one.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I remember you saying, You're like, no, we can wrap
this up quick, because these last two episodes are basically
stupid bullshit.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
And she says, Natalia says, at the end of the day,
something good did happen from this. She gets to tell
her story and inspire others.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
So really, because Ellen Pompeo and id and Hulu are
all hell bent on making her look fucking evil even
though she was an abused child. I know she's not listening. Hey.
If she is, though, I'm so sorry Natalia. Yes, none
of this is okay at fucking all. This world just
fucking sickens me. This is one of the stories that
(39:21):
just gets my bud blood boiling more than any other shit. Dude.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
And if AD was a good network, which we know
they're not, they would have just ended with Natalia saying that,
and that would have been it. But they're not, so
they have to end with Beth fucking Bath.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, she deserves the last word always, and.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
My notes are why, Beth, Why we don't need to
end with you. It's really bad they have. Beth literally
recapped the entire story for us. So here is a
little bit, Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Monster to you throughout this whole saga. So we tried
to separate the truth from the lies.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
The story just got crazier.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Just when you think you haven't solved, you find out
you don't.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
It wasn't always easy to figure out who we could trust,
whether smoke there's fire.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
That would happened to.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
That was what broke my heart.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
The boats. That's not love that he feel like a
Nazi follow members.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
We were all abused.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
We were all abused.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I left that in there for you.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
And Michael, that was for you. We're all abused. Oh
but you would be married right now, right if Natalia
hadn't come into your life, which they wanted to remind
us real quick at the end last episode, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
That's literally how they ended this series, with those.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Clips and and Beth recapping the fucking series.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
So binge your bust.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I'm going to call that a big bus a big,
big busy. As soon as I saw the Good American
Family trailer and knew there was no happy ending in sight.
I gotta say, though, when we fucking started this shit,
I had help because, you know, it seemed like the
producers were genuine and trying to want to help her.
I'm gonna write them a strongly worded email, except I'm
(41:16):
not because I don't have time or energy. But yeah,
I didn't have a lot of pep this episode because
I can't muster it. I'm too pissed off.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I just feel that this entire season was a total
cash grab for my d.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Which is what I suspected at first, then I gave
them the benefit of the doubt, and now I'm back
to never trust anybody. Don't you guys know what the.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Man's called them? And I think they are seeing I'm wondering,
did they even it's just so weird.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Did the mans even call them?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Or was that staged?
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Did they do that too?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah? Right, because the whole thing, everything's fabricated.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Okay, I go back to my original statement that I
think they fucking had a three season arc in plan
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yep. And this is what I wanted to tell you,
because now that I've been going back and rewatching with John.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Hold on, listen, hold on, listen, Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Because and this is what why I agree with you,
because I'm going back and rewatching all the interviews with Bess.
She's wearing the same outfit, she's in the same.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Location right in the third season two? Yes? Yes, Also,
didn't they say at the end of season two that
there was going to be a season three?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Well, you can tell me.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
I will tell you when I get there.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, but I want to say that I'm pretty sure
they did well.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
They did because they ended with that phone call, right,
So they knew.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
They planned that. Shit, they're goddamn liars. You know, I
would say, cancel ID, then you also have to cancel Max.
I like Max unfortunately, which if anybody is that's HBO,
and I won't even say, like, well, yeah, maybe you've
been living under a rock a little bit. But that
was just a fucking stupid thing of them to change.
It just confuses everybody who's older like us. But we
(42:55):
got we got it, We got it after a while.
Thanks for coming on this journey with us, you guys,
stay tuned. You know, in the near future we will
give y'all a little recap and just a full shit
talking fest on good American family. And like I did
in this QAnon episode that we have coming up, it's
(43:16):
a really long episode because everything that Aaron said, I said, Okay,
here are my thoughts on that. What I think is
true in that statement, what do I think is not? Why?
And I want to watch the show and then very
blatantly point out everything that's completely fabricated or wrong, because
like you said, people are going to watch it like
(43:37):
your husband and think that Natalia is a fucking monster.
And at least maybe somebody who watched the show or
knows somebody who watched the show. Maybe they can listen
to at least just that episode and hear what was wrong.
So it's like, as much as I don't want to
give it the views, I feel like we need to
and I'm hoping that since we're doing it, y'all don't
(43:59):
feel the need. You don't support them, don't. Yeah, So,
unfortunately that was real as fun.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
And so so fucked up, just so.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Fucked up, like epitomizing that's so fucked up, the title,
like that's why it is what it is, So you know,
I don't know, try to have a good day. And
on that note, I guess, yeah, like what I don't know,
Bye bye guys. Byep so fucked up.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
It's just really
Fuck you for going along with this ship and Fox.
You don't think that Natalia is gonna see this ship
and be like, Wow, everybody thinks I'm a fucking burden,
even these people that I'm now living with, Like, God,
fuck yourselves. I hate everybody. I hate them all. I
don't even care. I don't care. They're the least bad
out of everybody. That's what I'll give them. The fucking
de Paul's that is so fucked up.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It's fucked up, so fucked up, it is just so
damn fuck.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
That's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Who I'm excited. I'm excited to fucking wrap this bitch up.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
For the conclusion, maybe maybe maybe, I mean.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Then we also do still have to watch Good American Family,
but we're gonna be doing that week by week instead
of just shoving it down our throats all at once.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Thought we said we were gonna shove it down our
throats all at once, so we didn't have to do
it week by week.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh that's right, Oh that's right. No, we did. We did.
We did. We did because we wanted to take a
prolonged break from it. Yes, because they're making us, man,
I know, I know. If you've been listening. What we
didn't know how you felt about this. No, hey, everybody,
welcome back. This is That's So Fucked Up, a podcast
about things that make you say that's so fucked up.
(01:26):
We are your hosts. I am Ashley Love Richards, and
today I am joined by this.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Gal, Aaron Collins.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Hello, miss Aaron Collins. Yes, if you are new to
the show, or you just press play on a random episode, Well,
if you're new, welcome and you know what, thanks for
being here. To all of our other fucking listeners. What's
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(01:56):
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Speaker 3 (03:15):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Like I said, if you're new here or you're just
jumping in, this is the finale. You know air quotes
I don't know of the Curious Case of Natalia Grace
season three, And if you have not listened to the
first episodes, we covered the first two episodes already, and
in this last episode we're covering episode three and four.
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We also covered season two of the show last year
and this year. Earlier this month, I put out like
megamixes so that y'all didn't have to listen to the
intro and outro and random banter of all the episodes.
So you got all seven episodes on Natalia Grace from
last year in three long episodes, So if you haven't
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listened to those yet, I would highly recommend listening to
those first, or at least listening to the first couple
episodes of this season. We are talking about miss Natalia,
and you know, we love Natalia and we hate everybody else,
and we'll wrap up our feelings today. Let's get into it, Aaron.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Okay, even I'm pretty sure everybody knows our feelings, but
if they don't, they all know.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
By the end of this or probably pretty quickly. Honestly.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Episode three, so we ended when you wrapped up with two.
We were talking about other people that were being interviewed
in alleging abuse by the Man's. Correct.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yes, yes, we had a few people who came and
said that the mans had done terrible things to them
and that they're terrible people.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So three opens where they are showing the videos of
those interviews to the DePaul's, because of course, the Pauls
are trying to figure out why Natalia is. You know,
we know why she's acting the way she is, but nobody,
you know, the de Pauls are shocked and they don't
understand why, you know, she's defending the man's and why
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she won't talk about what happened if she needed to
be rescued like she did.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Maybe because she's scared.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Right, So they show them this video of all these interviews,
and of course they're shocked and appalled, and this is
where they realize that, oh my gosh, she's been afraid
to say anything, which should not be shocking.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Come on, right, But we've also acknowledged quite a few
times that the production team at Investigation Discovery is not
the most professional or savory.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Right exactly. And then they kind of start going into
Lady de Paul as we call her, which is what
I put in my notes.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I want to just start calling everybody that, Hello Lady Colins.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
This, Hello Lady ash So, Lady DePaul. She wants Natalia
to go get therapy, but she's like, well, if someone
refuses to help themselves, you really can't force them. So
I'm not really sure how this is going to play out.
That's what she says.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
That is true. Though it is true. Can't force somebody
who doesn't want help, and that's with mental health issues
or substance abuse. Yeah, unfortunately, it's not on your time.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
They also try to get Natalia to come watch the
videos with them, and Natalia refused. She refuses, and she
shuts down when she's questions, and of course she's continuing
to defend the man's m.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
She's getting pretty defensive exactly right, pretty angry.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And she actually even goes as far as stating that
the children are lying when they try to tell her
what's in the video. She's like, well, that kid's lying
and the father told them to lie. And Lady DePaul
actually says, that's kind of funny that she's stating that,
because that's what they literally said. Everybody literally said that
about Natalia. Remember you know when Natalia was saying she oh,
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she's a liar, right, And that's exactly what they said
about Natalia. But the mans have this into her head
to say this, So it's not shocking to me that
she's sticking by this.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Story, yeah at all. Yeah, especially if your fucking abusers
still have a lot of control over your life. Exactly.
It's all control over all her finances and shit.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
And she's still calling and talking to them and daily.
And then it switches to our favorite person. Guess who,
Beth Bath.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh my god, I want to do an episode just
about Bath actually and just play a bunch of clips
of her. Yeah, now we're going to do that.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Actually, my notes just said Beth blah blah blah blah,
because she just restates everything I just told you.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, uh uh yeah, that's all.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Her purposes, that's all she's doing. Like we said many times,
she's not adding anything to the conversation.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
It was like, by the end of the episode, you
guys will know how we feel. I thought I figured
it would be quite a bit quicker than that.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So she tells us everything I just told you, so
we don't need to get into that. And then it
goes back to Lady de Paul and she starts dating
that there's a public Natalia in a private Natalia and
public Natalia on camera.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Sorry, who the fuck doesn't have a public and private
version of themselves? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Exactly exactly?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I heard something It's like who you think you are,
who other people think you are, and who you actually
are or something like that, and I was like, damn, yeah, real, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
She's like, well, public, Natalia defends the man's right on camera,
but in private she states the truth. Like she's starting
to drop little hints about what really went on, and
there's little nuggets of truth that are starting to come forward.
And then they have house cameras all around their house, so.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
She the depauls.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
The depauls, do you know people have security cameras and
stuff around their house?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I always think it's a little weird when it's
inside the house.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I do too. But then she's like, well, so then
I added more cameras. Natalia knew there were cameras here,
but then I decided to add more. So she's literally
got a camera in the kitchen, in the living room outside. Why.
I think she wants to hear what Natalia's saying, which
is a little creepy, right.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Dude, that's really fun. Yeah, that's such an invasion of
her privacy.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
But I'm wondering did she do that or did ID
say we want you to do this so we can
hear what's going on. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Right? Yeah, it's really hard to say, and that's why
we try to keep going back to like, Okay, obviously,
Ida's try to make them not look good. They're not
trying to make anybody look good, right, and then the
process they're making themselves look terrible too.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Then this kind of bombshell comes out. So Lady de
Paul starts to dawn on her. She's like, oh my gosh,
I wonder if the man's are black? Meilee, Natalia, no shit,
But here's the reason. And this is funny because she's
telling the story and it's funny. She's like, I was
walking down, I was, you know, Dowt in the hall,
and I could hear Natalia having videos sex with Neil.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I hate this.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It's funny though, because she's like, our walls are really thin.
I don't give a shit. She's old enough, she can
do what she wants. I don't care, you know, she's
said up first, when she heard it, she thought it
was her husband, Vince, and she was like, gosh, she
needs to be quiet. But then she realized it was Natalia.
So it was kind of funny the way she was
talking about it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I know, I just didn't love that. It was like,
that's not your fucking business to tell dude.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
No it's not that is true, you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Not that made me uncomfortable. Yeah, why are you fucking
telling the whole crew and the whole world what Natalia's
doing with her sex life behind closed doors?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, but then she says they even added additional soundproofing
to her doors because it was that loud because the
walls are so thin. Then she finds out that apparently
when Natalia was at the Man's, she was dating somebody else,
since she had sent images to another man and the
man's had caught her. So she's wondering if the man's,
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you know, are holding this over Natalia's head, Like, if
you don't listen to us and do what we say,
we're going to release these images that we have.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That just shows that Natalia is obviously pretty fucking protective
about her sex privacy. So why are you talking about
this on camera? LD Lady to Paul Larry David, You
should start calling her LD just for this last episode.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Do you want to hear a clip of Natalia talking
about this?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Sure? All right? So you're day like, if they put
those news out, they just start a whole more and
my parents are gonna come out and see they're gonna talk.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I feel like that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
And it hurts because I never thought in my entire
life that they had to do that to me. But
I'm really really start nothing with. Man, it's always the
people that you like expect not to really fuck you
over that do what is that? I don't like it? Right?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah? And then Miss Beth reminds us of everything we
literally just flashed with the sound clip. Here you go.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
We'll do anything to make sure that Antoine and Cynthia
are not going to turn against her. I'm not going
to say anything bad about her, reveal her secret. She
doesn't want to hurt them, but she's also fearful of
them because they know something apparently that she does not
want revealed. But what's even more startling is that they
start to bring in other members of their family to
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harass Natalia and Neil. And this is where things get
really ugly.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Fucking just gold nuggets of wisdom.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Beth adds so much to the conversation.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, I'm so doing an episode about Beth. I'm going
to fucking find out who this bitch is and then
send it to her. Yeah, let's do it. I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Of course, Cynthia is still the payee for Natalia, and
Natalia's bought them a new trailer, so fucked all her
money's still going to them. March twenty twenty four, Natalia's
calls them and she's asking for her money. She's on
the phone with them, the man's agree. They're like, how
about we just give you twenty five grand and then
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if we do that, then you have no right to
the house that you bought us or anything else, but
we'll still remain your paye. And Natalia is like, okay,
that sounds good.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
What and it's like yeah, and why why are you
remaining the payee? She's an adult, she doesn't live with you.
Why doesn't the fucking government step in?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
And she doesn't know any better and she's afraid. It's
just it's it's so frustrating.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Fuck the man's dude.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
There's this one scene which I think id of course,
totally blows out a proportion where Lady DePaul's confronts Natalia
on camera and she's like, why aren't you And I
think she did it in the first two episodes too,
where she's like trying to get her to talk and
Natalia just gets real quiet, and it's like, I don't
want to talk about that on camera. Do you know
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which scene I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yah? So it's the same scene.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yes, it's the same scene, and they keep going back
to it. Now all of a sudden, Lady Paul's like, well,
it was just really weird when I confronted her, because
it was like she switched it. She was glaring at
me and it was daggers and it was kind of scary.
Come on, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Again, let's put a fucking a shadow in everybody's mind
that Natalia is scary. Maybe she is, but so am
I the fuck If you put me in the right position,
I can be scary as shit.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah. If you corner me and want me to talk
about something and I don't, yeah, I'm gonna get pissed
leave me alone. Especially on camera.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
It's like when you corner a traumatized animal, they're gonna
fucking growl and or attack.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yes, And this is also when Natalia actually finally kind
of starts turning. Natalia is recording her conversations with Lady
de Paul because the man's are.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Asking me too, Fuck, this is so right awkward.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And I put a caveat on that only because this
is coming from Lady to Paul, So I don't know
if that's true or not, because Natalia has her phone
down and she's like, well, she started recording me, and
then she's playing it because Cynthia is asking, which I
one hundred percent believe Cynthia.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Asked, trying to do totally totally shady at ship, and
she's afraid of her, and I'm sure she loves her
as well, because that's the thing with parents. They can
treat us like ship and we still have this stupid
bond with them and our bodies or parts or something.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So this is about the time where Lady to Paul
is she's had enough and she wants to get on
a phone call with the man's So here we go, Yeah,
I wore here.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
If she wants to deal with this guy, then why
did you guys jump off over her head?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
This guy?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
What are you talking about? He got a hateful messages
that I don't stop trying to.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Her idea has been inspired for eight years.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Because the cow is not your child.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Go for house without money, you guys, let all that
money you don't needn't worry about our finances. I just
told you stop interrupting a gree You're gonna use some
of those funds that you got from fundring to buy
her a house.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
That's her favorite fucking phrase. That's une of your business.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
This one's a little long, but they just scream and
go on for so long it's so funny. So I'm
just gonna keep going a little bit longer.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
As the answers. You know, every time I asked you,
why you don't mynds your business? That is not your daughter,
that is mine.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
I don't want you.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
But I'm trying to help you help your daughter. Don't
you want that? It's not your business, it is my business.
Excuse me, but you guys literally put me inside your
business when to tell ya, thank me to pick her up?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
So it is now my business.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Going forward, Cynthia, you listen and respect her as an adult.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
She's not a child.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Don't tell me what to do. Don't tell me what
to do.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, and you've also received soul security income for her
in eleven minutes. Yeah, that's my job. Good job, visit,
and good job for taking her hair her hey, good
job forgetting her medical care and all of her school,
her driver's license in my room when I have Cynthia,
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you can't tell me what to do in my house.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Okay, Like neither of them are listening to each other
each other. They're just talking over each other the whole time. Yeah,
and then Antoine pops in like once in a while,
like hey, now cut it out.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I have one more because they just she just doesn't stop.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
And I'm used to do with it.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
They call me the devil.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I'm the devil.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Read what you're so to you to make it seem
like her parents.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
No, you got to go into the home doctors in.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Your opinion, it's not my opinion.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It's not Anta's bishop, it's the doctor in trying to finish,
I think I want to talk to my daughter. Long ago,
we still told Natalia that if it comes to a
point and she wants to come home, she's welcome. You
having your grace friend name Van knows the truth.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
We good.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Every time.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
And from your baby.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Poor Natalia honestly like to be stuck in the middle
of this fuck.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I mean, it goes on for a while. They said
that she could pray away her condition, and that's why
they didn't get her the surgeries.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, oh oh that's fun. Yeah, I don't think you
should have freedom of religion when your religion says we
don't medically treat people.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
And after that phone call, everything kind of blows up
and Natalia's like, I want to leave. She says, she
wants to leave, but then she decides to stay. It
was like a two minute thing. She wanted to leave,
and it was one night, and then the next morning
she's like, no, I'm going to stay.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
That makes sense though, to be like wishy washy, you're
kind of like fucked in both places, and it's easy
to go to what you're comfortable with.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
You know it is, yes, it is, And.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
She might just feel hopeless. I'm never going to get
away from them anyways, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
So why don't I just go back to what I know?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Because obviously she's probably thinking she's causing a big burden
and problem in their fucking house.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Well, and that's what's funny, because then, fucking Beth, that's
exactly what she says.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
How do I keep calling this? This is? You know?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
She comes in with all her words of wisdom and
she's like, well, Natalia has come into yet another family,
and look what happens.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Oh my god, yeah, it's Natalia's best Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, so literally the episode ends with Lady de Paul
discussing her decision of bringing Natalia to her home with
her daughter and husband, and it just seems totally staged.
Of course, it just the whole thing. They were like, well,
what are you gonna do? Are you gonna how do
you feel about that? It just seemed totally cry.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Also, you know, the husband threatens to leave right because
he's like, yes, this is super intense. The daughter, Mackenzie too, says, well,
you know, my mom chose Natalia over her marriage. It's
so sad that she is made out to be such
a fucking burden everywhere she goes.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And that's what I mean when it feels like it's
so staged, because she like sits outside on the patio
to have this conversation with her daughter about the decision
of bringing Natalia in and how her daughter's feeling, and
just the whole thing just seems like such a setup. Okay,
you guys go here and you sit here and talk
and now talk about the burden that Natalia is bringing
on you.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
This is not how documentaries are supposed to be. They're
supposed to be just observing what's going on.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
And that's how it ended. And then my last comment
on the third episode was no Michael.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Ah what not a single moment of levity Michael. Nothing
at least to show one shot of him in his
fucking sports car like every episode, like just anything, just you.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Know, there was nothing. So that was three.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Okay, episode three in the bag. Let's fucking wrap this
bitch up. We better have some Michael at least for
the end. Well ah, oh my god, her face.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Okay, So going into four tribe stage situation is what
ID likes to do.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Right, because I love it.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
That's where we ended with three, so that's where we're
going in with four.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
This is such a fucking reality show. I don't know
how they're getting away with calling it a documentary.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I keep saying it's gross, but I don't know what
else to call it, because it just it just that's
what it is. It just feels gross because it just
starts off and it's Vince is talking about leaving and he's,
you know, been up against this decision of bringing Natalia
in from the start, and like he basically says, it's
himmered Italia. And first of all, why would you say
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that you have to choose me or Natalia? I just
I hate it.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
It's not like me or this other man. It's not
like choosing between this guy that you're having a fucking
affair with or something. It's like this child that you
want to say.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yes exactly, it's just twenty one.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And that's the legally adult and mentally a baby.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
She's been through so much and you're just gonna be like, well,
you either pick her or you pick me and just
throw her back to what the freaking where.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
She's gon on TV? That's going to be nice exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, And they do this whole rigamarole, this whole thing,
and then ultimately it's like he decides to stay. So
what was the point of all that? So to me,
it just proves that the whole thing was just rama, right,
And it just proves to me that the whole thing
was just set up. And I don't even know if
any of it was true, if it was just the
whole thing was contrived, like idea lead exactly exactly. Because
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I don't really think at the heart of it that
he's that type of person. I would like to think
that personally, because I really do think they're nice people.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Right, Yeah, I think if we're gonna go with like
default blaming somebody, it should be idea.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
It's ID one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
And guess what, our best friend Beth comes in and
remind me, and she reminds us what we literally just watched.
But guess what we get a sound clip with I'm
just gonna play it.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Look, when it comes to Nicole and Vince's marriage, it's
amazing that Natalia has caused all of this drama and
chaos in yet another household.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
By the time, I have no I have no childre,
I have no home, I have nob I.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Never entered our lives, I never get divorced, and makes
you wonder if a stable family like the can't figure
it out, who can.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
This has been really hard on our family hold on
after Michael has called Christine a fucking like monster and
blah blah. I would have never got divorced if it
wasn't for Natalia.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It was Italia.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Sympathy card lost you fuck because I really have tried
to give Michael some fucking grace throughout this. I really have,
because it sounds like he was a victim as well.
But no, fuck you, Michael, fuck no you.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
And only because I'm going back and rewatching this ship
because I'm showing it to my husband because I'm making
him watch what.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Actually, I better fucking know this judge, motherfucker. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So when rewatching all this Michael shit, and it's just
all woe is me? Look at me? None of this
is my fault. I was a victim too, That's all
it is. He's just passing the buck and passing the blame.
And then he's got that one clip too where he's like,
do you want me to play that up a little
more because you know I can do it better. He's
full of shit.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, I could dramatize that that one you want. Yeah,
and then he sits down with Natalia and totally invalidates
her experience by being like, we had the same monster.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
It's like, yeah, you're you both had you and Christine
in common as the same monster.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Uh huh yeah yeah, except you were an adult and
you could have fucking stopped it, and you fucking didn't.
You jerk, you jerk, that was my nice word.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You're a cunt, Michael.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yes, yes, that's much better than jerk.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
So then Natalia starts talking about how you know, she
doesn't like putting her problems on anyone, so she keeps
everything inside, which I totally identify with.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, why the fuck would she be vulnerable and tell
people what's going on?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Right? And who doesn't keep everything inside and not like
word vomit all there? You know what I mean a
lot of people do that, just keep it inside.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But especially when anytime you fucking share each personal shit
with somebody, it gets twisted and fucking repeated and used
against you.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yes, you're told you're a liar, and.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, everywhere you go, you just fucking wreck shit, Like
how do these people sleep at night? Seriously?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
And then we're introduced to a rehabilitation psychologist and foster
care director. This is a woman. Her name is Melissa Missigattis.
I don't know if I'm saying that right, but this
is a friend of Lady de Paul's, and I'm just
curious why she didn't talk to her from the very beginning,
(26:52):
right right? Yeah, So again this makes me wonder if
this isn't an ID setup, because you know, she's sitting
here talking to.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Her, is this a really really friend?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Exactly? Because she's acts like she's totally shocked by everything
that Melissa tells her, because you know, they're sitting down
and they're, you know, having this conversation that's obviously set up,
and she's like, well, Natalia has reactive attachment disorder. And
she's like, oh, I had no idea. I didn't know.
She's like, this is unaddressed trauma. You know, she's been
(27:23):
in the foster system and hasn't been able to bond
with anybody. Natalia herself says she doesn't like being left.
She states this directly.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, you know, she says, all these.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
People bring her in, a family brings her in, and
they're like, we love you and we care about you.
She's like, and then they leave. She's like, so she
doesn't trust anybody. And she says, I can't handle caring
about people anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I can't imagine the effect that kind of neglect and
abandonment rights on you, because I've experienced a fraction of
that and it's fucked with me my whole life.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Right, And this is family after family, like starting in Ukraine,
and then it's one family after another family, right, And
then you know, she talks about how it's hard enough
for anyone to talk about their trauma, let alone someone
who has been through the amount of trauma that she
has been through. You know, a person right like a
(28:14):
fourth of the trauma that she's gone through has a
hard time talking about that, but let alone somebody right
with the amount that she has.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Imagine, And for anybody who doesn't know, this is a
like a fact, abandonment and neglect and emotional and mental
abuse are just as destrimental as physical or sexual or
other types of abuse. I think a lot of people
don't think of those as as serious of forms or
as damaging or whatever, and they absolutely are. Yes, So
(28:45):
just in case anybody feels like their experience is lesser,
it's not.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
And I just think it's really interesting that Lady de
paul is just shocked by this information and like it's
the first time she's hearing it or absorbed it or
really opening her eyes to it. Because to me, it
seems kind of obvious. But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
So I'm gonna go ahead and throw my ex partner
under the bust right now. Okay, if you're going to
have a sort of very close and meaningful relationship with
somebody where you're I don't know, like their parent, parental figure,
or their life partner, and that person is deeply traumatized,
Maybe do some fucking research on what that person is
(29:38):
bent through, how that affects the fucking brain and your
body chemistry, and then deal accordingly. Like, yes, of course,
the person who is traumatized and has these you know,
reactions and stuff like, of course, it's our fucking duty
to try to go figure that out and do better
and stuff, because it's not an excuse to treat other
(29:59):
people shitty or be a flosi or whatever because of
what's happened to you. There is definitely a responsibility on
you to try to work through that shit. It's also
I believe, on the people who willingly decide to be
in a position where they're one of the primary people
in your life. Read a couple fucking books, Jesus Christ,
(30:19):
go on YouTube, listen to a psychologist, for the love
of God, Stop being so pissed off at traumatized people
and fucking learn about it a little bit. Wooh soapbox
like it pisses me the fuck off, dude. Stop going
into relationship ships with people that have issues if you're
not willing to understand and learn and work with them,
(30:39):
and instead you're just going to further their trauma by
doing this fucking shit. Ooh, like sorry, I don't care
if I d set it up. Fuck you for going
along with this shit, you fox. You don't think that
Natalia is gonna see this shit and be like, Wow,
everybody thinks I'm a fucking burden, even these people that
I'm now living with, Like, go fuck yourselves. I hate everybody.
I hate them all. I don't even care. I don't care.
(31:01):
They're the least bad out of everybody. That's what I'll
give them. The fucking de Paul's is that they're the
best out of all of what's happened, and it's not
good enough.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I guess that's what I mean. Like, if you're going
to take her under your wing and bring her into
your house, you wouldn't have done that research, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
It Just like I know first fucking hand that people
don't bother to do that shit, and they're like, hey, listen, yeah,
that happened before. Now you're here and it's all good,
so chill the fuck out.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Ye, because that's how that works.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
And then I'm supposed to build trust with you knowing
that you're talking shit about me and think that I'm
a fucking burden. Ok Okay, yeah, fuck off, Like at
least with the man's Like, yeah, they were abusive, but
they fucking kept her around for like a decade. That's
got to mean something to her when everybody else fucking
just gets rid of her.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But they kept her around because they wanted her money.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Oh of course. But I'm saying in her mind, yeah,
they're the ones who didn't fucking abandon her.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
True.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
If you guys can't tell I didn't watch this. I
wanted to have some real react reaction. Yeah, this is
real shit right here.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
So then they go back to Natalia's finances because you know,
they're always doing this circle dance around her finances because
she's still on the hook to pay for her taxes
because she's been doing these appearances, right, and she's been
getting income from the appearances.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Okay. Also, I just want to point out that a
lot of people don't realize that financial trauma is like
a realize type of trauma.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
If you've been financially abused or you've lived in poverty.
Financial trauma is a big one for me, like discussions
of money make me very fucking uncomfortable, very uncomfortable. She
has been stolen from, manipulated. The amount of financial trauma
that she has I'm sure also is immense. And then
(32:56):
to hear people fighting about it all the time, Natalia,
you know what, girl, just come be my roommate, little
golden girls it it'll be great.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
And I don't think anybody's ever actually sat down with
her and explained to her how to handle her finances
and what money it is, all this hit how to
do this because the man's are just taking it from her,
So she doesn't.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Know where would she have learned this information.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Exactly, She's never had it to understand how to deal
with it because they're just taking it from her.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Most people who have like a fucking high school education
and shit, which she does not, right, have very little
financial literacy, including me. That's not like real simple shit,
No it's not.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
And you know, for the depauls to be like, well
you need to take care of this, like you have
to really sit down with her and simply you have
to physically help her, yeah, not like yell at her
and say this is you need to do this. And
I think that's one of the things too, Like I
hated it when people were always like, you need to
do this, and do this, and do this. I don't
like being told what I need to do. That's a
(33:55):
big trigger for me is being told what I need
to do.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
That because you've been fucking figuring out your own ship
for forty plus years and you don't need this fucking
fuck to come in and tell you what's up. Go
fuck yourself, exactly. I can't relate to that at all. No, See,
I think that's why Natalia's story triggers me in a
lot of senses. Yeah, because she's just a very fucking
(34:18):
extreme example of what myself and several people that I
love have been through.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Exactly. So she's on the hook because she's had all
these appearances and now all of a sudden, she's got
to pay taxes on these appearances. But everything she's received
has gone to the butt skis.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, that's such a more appropriate name for them.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
The butt skis are what we call the mans in
case you haven't listened to the other episodes.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Which would be wild you guys, come on, come on.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
So she thinks nat Datalia's like, well, they're gonna give
me that money because they said they were gonna pay it,
So of course she calls the man's and they, of
course they're like, we're not going to pay it. Like
Cynthia literally goes, oh honey, she goes that devil is
a liar, because you know how Cynthia talks that devil
is a liar.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, they love bringing up the devil.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
So Natalia finally she's like, they're not gonna give me
that money, and she verifies that they're not paying. No,
they're not going to give you the money, like you're
on the hook to pay these taxes.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I hate them, yeah, I hate everybody.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
And then this is where Adi does this. They're like, well,
then all of a sudden, Natalia does a one eighty
turn and she has an open mind, like all of
a sudden, all of a sudden, she has a one
eighty turn because she had that one phone call with
them and they said they weren't going to give her money.
And then she clicks and decides, Okay, that's the I mean,
maybe it is. I don't know, it could have been,
(35:45):
that could have been. What did it?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
We just got to take everything these fuckers tell us
with a grain of salt.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Right, But then all of a sudden, they're like, oh, well,
that's what did it. And she finally opened her eyes
and saw demands for what they were. She does a
one eighty turn. She opens her mind and she stops
talking to the man's.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
It's not that she didn't have a fucking open mind before.
She's afraid.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, and she decides she's not gonna talk to them anymore.
She's like, they will never know my kids. I can't
believe that they did this to me. And this is
on tape because of course, Lady de Paul's got all
the cameras in her house, so you can hear Natalia
saying all this. And then she goes out and gets
her hair done and her nails done and her ears pierced.
(36:27):
And this is a big deal actually for Natalia because
she couldn't do any of that. The man's wouldn't let
her do that because that's the devil's work.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Sorry, that's like basic fucking like shit that girls like
to do.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
But that's the devil's work, and that's why she couldn't
do it before. So it was a big deal, right,
And here's your big takeaway from this last episode, because
she decides she's gonna go to the UK because she
wants to go visit Neil. Right, she just doesn't have
a passport, so she has to go get a passport.
So they go to see an immigration attorney. Homeland Secure
(37:00):
already stated that Indiana is full of shit with their reaging.
They're like, we don't know what this is, but this
isn't a thing bullshit. It's bullshit.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
It absolutely is.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
And they changed her birthday back to what it should
have been.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Oh good, I like that.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I do too. But here's the thing. It was such
like a little throwaway line. I was like, why isn't
this a bigger deal to me? That's like the biggest because.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
They fucking hate Natalia. Because they hate her, This network
hates her. Makes me so sad.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I missed it the first time and I had to.
I'm like, wait a minute, because it was such a
one line thing.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Oh my god, that just like proves her entire innocence right,
that she was a child this entire time we knew,
and it's still a child as you're continuing to exploit her.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yes, this one little line is kind of a big
deal in you just like, oh, by the way, the immigration.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Oh way, she's totally been a kid this whole time,
and uh, don't get mad at her.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Homeland Security said that Indiana was full of shit and
they fixed it. But we're just going to throw that
in the middle of the episode there, so in case you.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Miss it, you mean at the end of the episode.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
No, it's in the middle, just like shoved in there.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Oh oh, Because then there's.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
This big thing about her going to visit Neil in
the UK, which is good and she's, you know, happy
changed person, and then it literally ends with her going
to New York City with the Man's and everything because
she's got a People magazine interview.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
She's going to New York City with the Man's or
the DePaul de Paul's. I'm sorry, not the man Okay,
no worries.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
The whole episode is just worthless to me other than
that one.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
I remember you saying, You're like, no, we can wrap
this up quick, because these last two episodes are basically
stupid bullshit.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
And she says, Natalia says, at the end of the day,
something good did happen from this. She gets to tell
her story and inspire others.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
So really, because Ellen Pompeo and id and Hulu are
all hell bent on making her look fucking evil even
though she was an abused child. I know she's not listening. Hey.
If she is, though, I'm so sorry Natalia. Yes, none
of this is okay at fucking all. This world just
fucking sickens me. This is one of the stories that
(39:21):
just gets my bud blood boiling more than any other shit. Dude.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
And if AD was a good network, which we know
they're not, they would have just ended with Natalia saying that,
and that would have been it. But they're not, so
they have to end with Beth fucking Bath.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, she deserves the last word always, and.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
My notes are why, Beth, Why we don't need to
end with you. It's really bad they have. Beth literally
recapped the entire story for us. So here is a
little bit, Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Monster to you throughout this whole saga. So we tried
to separate the truth from the lies.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
The story just got crazier.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Just when you think you haven't solved, you find out
you don't.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
It wasn't always easy to figure out who we could trust,
whether smoke there's fire.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
That would happened to.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
That was what broke my heart.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
The boats. That's not love that he feel like a
Nazi follow members.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
We were all abused.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
We were all abused.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I left that in there for you.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
And Michael, that was for you. We're all abused. Oh
but you would be married right now, right if Natalia
hadn't come into your life, which they wanted to remind
us real quick at the end last episode, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
That's literally how they ended this series, with those.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Clips and and Beth recapping the fucking series.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
So binge your bust.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I'm going to call that a big bus a big,
big busy. As soon as I saw the Good American
Family trailer and knew there was no happy ending in sight.
I gotta say, though, when we fucking started this shit,
I had help because, you know, it seemed like the
producers were genuine and trying to want to help her.
I'm gonna write them a strongly worded email, except I'm
(41:16):
not because I don't have time or energy. But yeah,
I didn't have a lot of pep this episode because
I can't muster it. I'm too pissed off.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I just feel that this entire season was a total
cash grab for my d.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Which is what I suspected at first, then I gave
them the benefit of the doubt, and now I'm back
to never trust anybody. Don't you guys know what the.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Man's called them? And I think they are seeing I'm wondering,
did they even it's just so weird.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Did the mans even call them?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Or was that staged?
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Did they do that too?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah? Right, because the whole thing, everything's fabricated.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Okay, I go back to my original statement that I
think they fucking had a three season arc in plan
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yep. And this is what I wanted to tell you,
because now that I've been going back and rewatching with John.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Hold on, listen, hold on, listen, Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Because and this is what why I agree with you,
because I'm going back and rewatching all the interviews with Bess.
She's wearing the same outfit, she's in the same.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Location right in the third season two? Yes? Yes, Also,
didn't they say at the end of season two that
there was going to be a season three?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Well, you can tell me.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
I will tell you when I get there.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, but I want to say that I'm pretty sure
they did well.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
They did because they ended with that phone call, right,
So they knew.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
They planned that. Shit, they're goddamn liars. You know, I
would say, cancel ID, then you also have to cancel Max.
I like Max unfortunately, which if anybody is that's HBO,
and I won't even say, like, well, yeah, maybe you've
been living under a rock a little bit. But that
was just a fucking stupid thing of them to change.
It just confuses everybody who's older like us. But we
(42:55):
got we got it, We got it after a while.
Thanks for coming on this journey with us, you guys,
stay tuned. You know, in the near future we will
give y'all a little recap and just a full shit
talking fest on good American family. And like I did
in this QAnon episode that we have coming up, it's
(43:16):
a really long episode because everything that Aaron said, I said, Okay,
here are my thoughts on that. What I think is
true in that statement, what do I think is not? Why?
And I want to watch the show and then very
blatantly point out everything that's completely fabricated or wrong, because
like you said, people are going to watch it like
(43:37):
your husband and think that Natalia is a fucking monster.
And at least maybe somebody who watched the show or
knows somebody who watched the show. Maybe they can listen
to at least just that episode and hear what was wrong.
So it's like, as much as I don't want to
give it the views, I feel like we need to
and I'm hoping that since we're doing it, y'all don't
(43:59):
feel the need. You don't support them, don't. Yeah, So,
unfortunately that was real as fun.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
And so so fucked up, just so.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Fucked up, like epitomizing that's so fucked up, the title,
like that's why it is what it is, So you know,
I don't know, try to have a good day. And
on that note, I guess, yeah, like what I don't know,
Bye bye guys. Byep so fucked up.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
It's just really
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