TRENDING: "The Curious Case of Natalia Grace" is Back- Mega Mix Recap: Ep 2

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That is so fucked up.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's fucked up, so fucked up, it is just so
damn fuck up.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
That's sucked up. Hey, guys, welcome to That's So Fucked Up,
a podcast about things that make you say that's so
fucked up. I'm Ashley Love, Richard's your host, and I'm
talking about the Natalia Grace saga. So in light of
Good American Family coming out, I thought that I would

(00:35):
re release all of our old Natalia content before we
jump into the episodes. I wanted to give you guys
a quick little clarification. When you hear these noises that's
sucked up, that means that one episode is done and
we're moving into the next one. And one more side
note to avoid any confusion, we did record these episodes

(00:57):
live on YouTube last here, So if you hear us
refer to an audience member or you know, someone imaginary
and you don't know who it is, it would have
been somebody that we were talking to during the live
All right, guys, strap in, that's though. We're your hosts.
I'm Ashley Love Richards and I'm Fallin Maury, and we

(01:20):
are about to tell you, guys about the curious case
of Natalia Grace Season two. Natalia speaks episode three, mouth
a lot, that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, And this episode is called by any means necessary.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
And if you missed the first two recaps that I
did with the Lovely Chante Pits where we got quite
quite unhinged, it was a really good time, then those
are available on.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
The podcast and the YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
So if you're like, what, why are you starting at
episode three, well, we're not silly. Listen to the episodes
before this, episodes one and two. But we were here,
we've been here, we know what's going on. So should
we just let's get into episode three.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
I'm ready?

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Are you ready? Until my screen needs to come back. Sorry,
I was trying to get my screen all right. So
this starts right out with a quick recap of Michael
storming out after the interaction with Natalia and Antoine, and
Natalia's starts right out saying I thought it would be

(02:38):
a normal thing. I could just talk to him and
hear him out, and then this happens, and they flashed
back to Michael storming out and screaming I tried, I tried,
I tried.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Oh my god, dude, I'm sorry, but you missed the
sickest reenactment last night because I reenacted I tried oscar winning.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
I'm going to go back and rewatch it after this.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Because honestly it was amazing, Like I killed it.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
I'm sure you did. Natalia still has stuff to ask him,
like why wasn't he brave enough to get me out
of that house?

Speaker 5 (03:16):
That's a direct quote.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Antoine comes back in and basic and he says Michael's
spirit is irritated, and basically he shouldn't keep blaming another
person for his issues, like he shouldn't be blaming Christine
because Christine didn't make him do all this, And he
says he needs to man up and stop being a
whiny baby.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I agree with the latter part of that statement for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
So he Natalia notes that he's running away just like
every other time, such as you know, he walked out
when she would try to defend herself before he walked
down any time stuff was happening, or conveniently like didn't
interfere when stuff was happening to her. We know, seems
to be pretty common thread here.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
So Michael sucks.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
He's not my favorite.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
We cut over to Beth Carris, who's a named legal expert,
and she says that, based upon what is known at
this point, the Barnetts were obviously determined to reage Natalia
as an adult, and that's kind of what we're going
to get into through the whole episode. And Christine will
stop at nothing to make sure that this happens for real.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
She's ruthless.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I was, Oh my god, there's so much in this
documentary that made me like pause it and.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Go, what the just yell at the screen.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yes, I was just checking if we were, you know,
beyond our we are.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I mean, I feel like we should be allowed to
square discuss.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Like what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (04:54):
So they go back to Michael's deposition from earlier March twentieth,
twenty twenty three, and the prosecutor asks him about when
he confronted Italian about her menstrual cycle, and he says
Natalia told him she was hiding it because she didn't
want him to know. He stated that she told him
she wipes it off with her hands and then eats

(05:15):
it so no one will ever find out. And he
says this all in like a mimicking baby voice, like
I guess trying to say, like he goes, she said
she wipes it away and then eat like he's like
mimicking her voice. It's really obnoxious.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Oh I hate him so much.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Oh, I hate him so much.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Also, I doubt Natalia said that she eats her menstrual blood.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Well, Natalia was like, that's downright disgusting and crazy, like
that's her exact words.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Michael says, the wildest shit on television. It blows my mind.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
And I want to put a trigger out there because
this to me is borderline. Like to me, it feels
like borderline. Essay. She said, what really happened was Christine
force her. Came into the bathroom and said you have
your period, and when Italia said no, I don't, Christine
forced her to put a tampon in to prove that
she had a period. She said she was seven, she

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was scared, it really hurt, and so when she couldn't
do it, she got mad at her and Italia pulled
it out and there was blood on it, and then
Christine said, see you have your period.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
You're lying.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
And Natalia at this point starts sobbing and saying how
scared and how upset and sad she was, and they
have to cut away from her.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Hugh, I feel like my if it looks like my
like my computer froze because my face has been frozen
in this grimace of horror. I think has a great
explanation for the last, the entire for the last. However,
the fuck long you were saying that?

Speaker 6 (06:53):
Oh no, oh, so Beth Carris says that if what
Natalia says is true, then Christine was forcing an age
on her, using a abuse to prove her age.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Sorry, Christine was forcing an age on her and then
using abuse to prove her age. And Christine obviously is
going to do anything to make sure Natalia fits her narrative.
But what doesn't fit in Christine's narrative is that several
other doctors have already told the Barnetts that Natalia is
between the ages of seven and eleven. And they show

(07:36):
a postplacement report document on the screen saying the chronological
stated age was sixty years nine months, but her skeletal
maturity is eight years and four months. Regardless of that discrepancy,
she's still a child.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
How the fuck do you do that to a child
who's already, you know, been through living in an orphanage
and being now you're her third adoption family. You know,

(08:11):
that she's what like seven eight years old and you're
fucking torturing her and assaulting her physically sexually. Yeah, you
didn't even know. Hi, you didn't know. You didn't know
how bad this case was. So you've been in for
a fun ride. Huh.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
It was.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
It was an illuminating hour of my life, that's for sure. So,
according to both Natalia and Michael, Natalia was beaten by
Christine until she breaks and finally starts saying she's twenty two,
while Michael just sits and watched. And at this point

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Beth says that, you know, she says, I don't usually
share personal stuff, but I grew up with two disabled brothers,
and I know my own mother would have done anything
for me and for them, and Natalia deserved the kind
of love from a mother that and didn't get it.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
You know, it's a really effective way to get people
to say what you want them to say.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Beat this shit out of them.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, torture, it's I'm sure throughout time they've been using that,
it's been really effective.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
Christine.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Natalia recounts a time where Christine took her to her
room and started to hit her with a belt on
the back, legs in anywhere she could. She said she
tried to move, but Christine would say stop moving and
then just hit her harder. Natalia was terrified, obviously and
in pain. So when Christine would tell her, you know,
tell people you're twenty two, she listened because she said,

(09:44):
like she says, she doesn't know what Christine would do
to her or what she would make her do, as
you see in the previous you know, right example, and
she's like, these people were supposed to be the ones
that took care of me, and they did this, and
Michael just watched it happen like and she's also like
visibly crying again in this Like watching her cry for

(10:08):
an hour was just tearing my heart out.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I'm horsing it up today. I just left and right.
I can't not, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
I just gotta truck through it. I'm putting on like.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
If I were truck through it. Keep trucking construction vehicle.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I'm putting like the plow on the front, and I'm
just going.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
You're trucking on through, get it, you do it, you
got it.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
But I wish I could light this dumpster on fire
like Centralia and just like let the whole thing burn.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
You guys, if I like, what is Centralia, It's it's
sounds like the real town of Silent Hill the movie
and game. It's a town that's legit been on fire
for like the decades, like a really long time, and
it's still on fire.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
It's still on fire right now.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
They go back to Michael's deposition, and he was recounting
that Christine would beat Natalia open hand and with her forearms.
When her hands and arms got tired, she used her
fist in her elbow basically just until she ran out
of steam and couldn't do it anymore.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah. No, my computer's not frozen. That's just I can't
get my face to make any other face.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
He said he was frozen.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
And this is what he says, between a potential sociopathic
con artist and on the other hand, the wife and
mother of my children, and he didn't know what to do,
so he just apathy, I guess is the way to
go in a situation where a child is being abused
and you know someone else is doing it.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Also, just like, if you guys haven't seen pictures of
Natalia as a child, I highly recommend you look them
up because she's very much looks like a child. She
very much of obviously has a physical disability, and she's
cute as a motherfucking button.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
She's so cute.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I don't know, Like, how the fuck evil? I mean,
I guess that's what it is, right, It's just evil.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
It's evil.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
It's all evil, the I guess. There's a retired police detective.
His name's Brandon Davenport. He's with the Indiana State Police,
and he said Michael had the obligation to protect her
as a father to a daughter, and he just he failed.
Natalia go back to Natalia, who says that Michael just
watched from the other room. She was locked in her

(12:36):
room the rest of the night, the night of like
the big beating, and she cried herself to sleep. There's
an interview then with Veronica Maxwell, who's a retired FBI
special agent, and she says that if what Natalia said
is true, the type of extreme force used and dominant
behavior over, Natalia tells her that there was a monster
that operated in Christine.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Also in the previous docu series or in the previous season.
Jacob says that Christine had the boys pee on Natalia's
bed and her stuff. Do you remember that? Yes, like
the humiliation and degradation of that. It's just like this

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woman is the devil, and so is Michael for letting
it happen.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Well, so I'm listening to this right, I'm watching this
having just watched the first bit of the first season,
and Michael makes a comment like about how many Lamborghinis
were in his driveway or something and how many TVs
he has and was like and then like a couple
of years later, I had thirty seven cents in my
bank account and I would have had all of it

(13:52):
still and my wife and my family except for this girl.
And I'm like that I listened to this and I'm like, well, a,
you don't. Is there any of that shit?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
And then be I tell you here to the next episode.
Just wait, okay, I'm in anyway.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, So Christine, she says, was gonna dominate and be
the winner.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
That's the aim of her game.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
She was trying to drill into Natalia's head that she
was an adult. Natalia, they show interviewing with Veronica and
she asks, you know, have you ever worked with someone
that was brainwashed or told what to say? And Veronica's like, yeah,
there are so many layers to your case. That's why
I wanted to get involved. She believes in, you know,
facing her fears, and she kind of admires Natalia for

(14:36):
being willing to continue doing so. Natalia says, well, I
don't want to talk about them, but I have to.
They cut and then they cut to this made me
almost cry. They cut to a video of Christine saying
to Natalia, she's got a camera like right here in
her face, like up in her face, and says, we're
gonna have to take you to a doctor. Do you
want to go to a doctor? And she looks really

(14:58):
scared and she's like, I don't, I don't know. And
it reminds me of like videos and scary movies where
they tape like the person they kidnapped, like right in
front of their face and like threaten them. Like it's
that level of like intimidation. And I was like, it
made me furious.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay, oh, Ashley, breathe. I know. I was holding my
breath the whole time I was holding I was holding
my breath the whole time we were talking. Brendan said,
if they did this to prisoners of war, it would
be war crimes. Yeah, absolutely, like one fucking insane.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
But why were they trying to make twenty two years
old the magic number? And the former prosecutor named Jackie Starbuck,
which is a cool name. She says that Christine was
at the point where she was getting Italia to introduce
herself by saying, I may look young, but I'm twenty two.
It was just like a little phrase she would pair it.

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Indiana law states that a parent is responsible for that
child until the child is emancipated at age twenty one,
so the Barnetts believed that they would have been responsible
until age twenty.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
One, which is why twenty two was a great number
to go.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
We're safe, We're in safe territory.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I just wanted to make a quick caveat too, because
as of right now, I don't know how these will
be edited. They might not be edited really at all.
So in case they don't get edited, if you're listening
on the podcast and you're like, who the hell is Brendan,
it's somebody in our live chat right now, you guys.
So if you come and watch us tell our stories,

(16:40):
the maybe will highlight one of your comments.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Ooh, anyway, it's gonna be fun, more fun than watching
this video. So not our video, the documentary. So Beth
the the what is she legal expert? The legal expert? Yes, sorry.

(17:06):
She says that the Barnetts were looking for a full
proof plan and there were three prongs to it. The
first was to re age Natalia, the second was to
get her in a psych ward, and the third was
to get her in prison. And we cut back to
Michael saying that the first time Natalia ended up at
the stress Center, it was because of pledge in the coffee.

(17:27):
And I know that you covered this during the first
episode you did on Natalia Grace like way back when Natalia.
The way that the parents tell it is Natalia was
doing well that morning. She asked to help Christine clean
up the kitchen. Christine starts cleaning up, goes to the
other room and her coffee is on the counter. Michael

(17:48):
says that Natalia pours pledge into her coffee cup. Christine
tastes it and it tastes like pledge, so she starts screaming.
Michael comes in and says, you know, why did you
put this in here? And Natalia says, because I want
to kill you. Natalia says, that's not true. That's not
who she is.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
She said.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
She was helping clean and they were spraying something on
the counter and she Christine walked out, so she noticed
a spot that needed more, so she pushed her coffee
out of the way. She sprayed this stuff. She's on
our little stool. She cleans up. Christine comes back and
the first thing she looks and says is, what did
you put in my coffee. Natalia's like, I don't put
anything in your coffee. Christine dumps out her coffee, refills it,

(18:27):
gets a new cup of coffee, holds Natalia's hand over
the spray bottle and gets her camera and makes her
like spray it in while she videotapes it.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Oh my god, I know they videotaped so much shit,
trying to be like, look look at how evil she is.
It's like, okay, or you coached a child to do
that for the camera.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
So the Barnetts had convinced themselves that Natalia was an
adult and a violent sociopath, so it was time to
kill themselves the world, he thinks. So, no, I think
they knew exactly what the fuck they were doing.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, I was like, I don't think they can convinced me.
I think they knew they were torturing a child.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
I think they were.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Shit tassic people who thought, ooh, this will help my
public image. We'll adapt a girl with special needs. Oh wait,
it's hard to take care of her and expensive. Forget it.
We'll just pretend she's twenty two and abandon her.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, that's pretty much the gist. Yeah, you guys, breathe everybody.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
See I'm making a ring horse and that never happens.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, it's it just it feels natural for what's happening.
It's just it's it's exasperation.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
So they start telling the neighbors. So Christine calls up
one of her neighbors and says basically like like that.
Then they have a voice over from a neighbor. Christine
calls her neighbor and says, you know, I've been poisoned.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
What do I do?

Speaker 3 (19:55):
So the neighbor tells her, you need to call poison control.
You need to make yourself throw up. Also, you need
to go check the girl's room and see what's going on.
So she like comes over to their house the nosy neighbor.
They find a match and rubbing alcohol under Natalia's bed. Supposedly,
the neighbor says that Natalia said she was going to
set the house on fire, and the neighbor's like, well,

(20:17):
you probably wouldn't be able to get away fast enough,
and supposedly Natalia says, I don't care if I go
with them, and then she said The neighbor says that
she looked at her then and said, well, I don't
care if something happens to you too, or that something
might happen to you too, Like so the neighbor says,
she threatened.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
I would the neighbor be making this up, which is
what's happening obviously, because that's not I don't know, not
be true or I mean not buying that she was
trying to kill the family.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
No, I mean, I'm she's at this point, she's what
she says later, like I was a thirty seven pound
eight year old, Like.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
What was like.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
She?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
What was I gonna do?

Speaker 1 (21:05):
You just like put your fucking hand out and like
on it's like, okay, stop coming towards me. Like I
could fight a thirty seven pound person off, and I'm
right not strong.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Right, I have a thirty seven pound person at my
house right now, and they're very easy. You can just
pick them up and hold them away like that.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
You're like, okay, don't stab me. I'm gonna hold you
over here, never here, whatever.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
So I have experience. I have a thirty seven pounder.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
That sounds so weird out of context?

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Does sound weird? What? What's thirty seven?

Speaker 3 (21:42):
What is.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
So?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Natalia said that she starts hearing, you know, Christine and
Michael telling the doctor all sorts of crazy stuff, specifically
like she's hiding knives. Michael says, yeah, I got two.
He's on another one of his depositions. He says, yeah,
two years of doctor's notes, saying that you know, all
this stuff has happened with her. Natalia then watches Michael

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saying that she was going to kill the family and
that he and Christine woke up one night to Natalia
standing at the foot of their bed with a knife,
which I know is like a famous thing. And Natalia
is like, sort of her tone of voice is like
what a bunch of dumb asses? And she's like exasperated
because she's like, Okay, that's a lie. I never did that.

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And not only that, I can't even see above eye level.
Their bed is like up to here, on me, like
I don't even come up above the top of their
bed is.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
So much slaugher. She's like, I wasn't even taller than
the bedpost.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
How we seem so frustrated people being like so I
heard that, you like, and you're like, really, dude, I
physically could not do that.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
She was like, and not only that, I was eight
years old and thirty seven pounds, Like, how was was
I going to really overpower like to adults? And I
can't bend my fingers to grip a knife like that?
And she they show her in her apartment or whatever,
and she's like, look, I don't like just because of
the way my fingers bend, I can't hold a knife.

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And she shows herself like gripping it. She's like, I
can't hold it like this for much longer than just this,
and it's it hurts because it makes my muscles do
something they really can't do. And she said, yeah, everything
that Christine made up she got off that movie Orphan.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Oh totally totally, which was based off of a real case.
That is honest, like maybe definitely in the top five
craziest things I've ever heard in my entire fucking life.
The actual case that the movie Orphan is based off of,

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and then Christine took the plot of the movie Orphan
like a dumbass. But Brendan asks, is there actual doctors
that match up with these notes. Yeah, specialists have documented
to this.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Well, and they are going to get it. We're going
to get into this in a few minutes. But basically
the majority of all of their doctor proof is one
family doctor that they'd had like a personal family relationship
with since Michael was younger, and so he has like
he knows the family. So it's a little it's very skewed.

(24:25):
So in June of twenty twelve, Natalia gets committed to
LaRue Carter Psychiatric Facility and they show a text from
Michael to Christine that says, I'm feeling good about the
Natalia situation and she's getting committed to a state crazy
hospital right where she belongs. She's a terrible demon possessed soul.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
So just like just a little heads up. In the
next episode, Michael says that the day that they adopted
the day that they adopted Natalia was one of the
top five best days of his life.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
He said that in the first episode, like barring all
this stuff that came later, like out of context. It
was one of the five best days of my life.
I love it when I bring someone into my home
to torture.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Okay, my goal. What you do maybe watch old interviews
of yourself before you go and do new interviews.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Natalia said she didn't know what type of hospital she
was going to, but she remembers being admitted and said
it was like, you know, an old timey hospital from
a movie, super creepy. They take her to an empty room.
There's white sheets, there's white walls, and she said all
she remembers is the only thing that's not white are
the straps tied to the bed. And when she asked
the nurse what are those for, the nurse says, hopefully

(25:39):
we don't need those, but they're there if you try
to hurt yourself. They lock her into the room alone.
She's eight years old in an empty room alone, and
she's terrified. She said she laid down in the dark
and was just terrified. A lot of eight year olds
are also scared of the dark, like FYI, so like
I was also super traumatizing.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
I was too. Beth says.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Conveniently, the judge who decided on an emergency petition to
happen to tell your reage did so while she was
in the hospital, So the Barnett's plan comes right together.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
She went.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
She said she had no idea she was being reaged
while she was in the hospital. She was in the
kids section, and then they just one day came in
and said.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
You're an adult. Now you're moving to the adult section.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Oh my god, and they moved her to the adult
ward of a psychiatric hospital. They show an interview asking
Michael if the family doctor wrote a letter, and they say,
you know, do you think that twenty two is an
accurate age for her at that time? And he definitely
like pauses for me and he's like, yeah, yeah, yep,
I think that's uh, that's about right.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, totally totally totally.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Cool, cool, cool, cool cool.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
So, the only two people that wrote documents to this
judge that gave him the evidence he needed to change
her by like fifteen years was a social worker named
Susan Whitten who was not a medical doctor, that wrote
letters alleging Natalia was schizophrenic and a she wasn't a

(27:11):
medical doctor, well, no, they got one from her. She
was a licensed social worker and one from their family doctor.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Michael said that social worker should get her fucking license
taken away.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Well, when you study to be a license social worker,
you do study psychological disorders and you have the ability
to help people with those problems. But she should It
shouldn't come down to a letter from her and a
letter from her family, their family doctor that has no
like medical evidence in it. The letter is like, says

(27:46):
all this stuff, like I was fooled by Metalia just
like everybody else. Like it's not a doctor letter, it's
like a you know, it's it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
A witness, like a character witness letter.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Okay, and this is the part you did warned me about.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
The There's a text exchange and between Michael and Christine
and Michael says McLaren's letter is awesome. Christine says. Christine replies, awesome.
Does it say autism? Michael says, yeah, once in a
century brain. Christine says, yes, McLaren, love you like.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, breathe Aculey. Oh my god, I'm gonna m schmurder
on my mind. A fucking hate. I hate them and
they're just like Chillain. They got away with it, these
fucking fucks.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
So They show a police recording by Detective Davenport who's
asking the doctor, doctor McLaren, Okay, if the Barnetts keep
bringing Natalia to you and saying she's an adult and
older than she seems, wouldn't you start to see that, Like,
wouldn't your personal relationship with them play in? And the
doctor's like, I see.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
What you're getting at.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, like relations affect things, That's definitely possible.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
The letters he wrote.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Take his take his fucking license seriously.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
The letters he wrote, are you know? Are not positive
about Natalia. It says Natalia is a con artist, the
Barnets are victims, he was lied to, and the former
prosecutor they interviewed said, prosecutors have never heard doctors make
such claims in their like submissions for court, Like, that's

(29:41):
not something doctors.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Say she's a con artist? Oh?

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Is that your medical opinion?

Speaker 5 (29:47):
I was fooled?

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Like like sounds like something someone says in a romance novel.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
You fool have dare you?

Speaker 6 (30:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
The same time.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
We're connected.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Natalia says that the doctors, multiple doctors has said she
was between seven and twelve, multiple doctors, and she's like,
but this one doctor writes one letter and that's all
that they use in court, and uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
What is the fucking what was the judge thinking? Why
is everybody so stupid? I hate them all so much,
Like literally, they all had to conspire to be either
so dumb or so stupid for all of these events
to happen.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
My husband was like, is this your documentary week about
popular documentary weeks? Or is this like your week about
adults that fail children? And I was like yes, yes, no.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
I was like no between this and Gypsy, And then
I covered Hell about the troubled teen industry, like literally,
I don't know too less than two weeks ago because
that was on the Netflix Top ten, and I was like, fuck,
it's getting overshadowed by all three John Wicks. Oh my god,
Willy you guys, like all three John Wicks were on

(31:15):
the top on the Netflix top ten. And then Meg
three or whatever about the Big Shark came on and
Meg kicked Hell Camp right off of the top ten,
and I was like, God, damn it. Kids getting tortured
in the troubled teen industry is so much more important
than John Wick and the Meg. But so then I

(31:37):
was like I have to go tell the story so
people don't fucking like I know, so people know about
it since Netflix it was just just a blip in
the sand. But also that documentary and the troubled teen
industry is also very very much about adults, like really

(31:59):
failing and traumatizing kids. Yeah. So it's been a super
fun month of content. I hope you guys have enjoyed
it as much as I have.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, that's gonna be fun. Next we're gonna next, We're
gonna go tell all your kids that Disneyland burned down
like it's.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
And Santa is not real? How dare you if any careful? Well, yeah,
pump the breaks, Pump the breaks. Whoa, okay, pump the brakes.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Sweet all right, yeah, okay, I just caught your sweetcakes. Yeah, so,
Beth says, okay. With a stroke of the of one
stroke of the pen, this judge turned Natalia from an
eight year old to a twenty two year old, meaning
with one stroke of a pen she is able to drink, drive,

(32:49):
and vote.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
From being eight to being able to do all of that.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I'd been like by I'm getting myself a forty and
a car and I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Go eighteenth birthday I went skydiving and got a tattoo.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
I she could also get a tattoo.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I'm sure I got shit canned publicly on my twenty
first birthday. Wait a minute, yes I did.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
H yeah, I think all of us, regardless of background,
medigan chit can on her twenty.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yards were they? But did you get in one of
those little rickshaws that people drive around on bikes and
then really rudely keep going.

Speaker 7 (33:26):
Faster, faster as you as as this man is trying
to take you up in a hill in a bicycle
and then get to the third floor of the hotel
and throw your fucking phone off of the balcony because
fuck everybody.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Well, I didn't have a phone when I was twenty
one because I was too poor, and it was like,
you know, two thousand and three, two thousand and two.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
Uh, and the rickshaw part, no, wow, you.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Look, why do you? Why do you look so poor?

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Feldon it Dove's a really bad anna con artist, like,
oh you got her last name? Impression?

Speaker 5 (34:08):
I don't remember either.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
So so the Barnets knew. They show reports from two
different doctors. The Barnets knew from one doctor that they
had placed her agent between nine and eleven within weeks
of getting custody of her, and a dentist had estimated
about a month after that that she was between eight
and nine, so they knew what her age was. But

(34:30):
they say, like, why didn't they have to let the
judge know any of this when they were in court? Like,
is this perpetrating a fraud? Who wouldn't ask for this
kind of documentation? Oh, you want to change someone's age
by fifteen years? Sounds great?

Speaker 1 (34:43):
No? Literally, what the fuck was this judge doing? I
think they I feel like they're all in khotes. But why,
this is the real question.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
The Yeah, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
I know it's a.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Child, the child.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Uh hold on. No notice was provided to Natalia. There
wasn't a hearing with her present, She had no representation.
So the opinion at this point is that the Barnuts
have one. And there are messages they show from Michael
to Christine saying everything will be so awesome in August.
Just you wait and see if she gets put away,
We're gonna take a week off someplace. Like it just

(35:27):
does not came an absolute fuck right.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Here's the part of the story where I just start
laughing because my brain can't fucking handle any of this anymore.
My brain's just like going into like it's it's like,
I'm gonna take a vacation now because this, you know what,
You know what, Michael, We're coming to me and the brain.
We need a vacation from your fucking shenanigans. You goddamn hooligans. Now,

(35:54):
that's too nice of a name. They are.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Street rats, yeah, no, because they call Aladdin a street
rat and he was actually a nice dude, okay, And
I wouldn't put thinking in the same.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
I was thinking of actual rats, like rat, like animal rats.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
Yeah, like like the way I say rat.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Actually, you know what, rats are really fucking smart actually,
and I are a really really cute one and in
a video and I'm really grossed out by the fact
that it had its tail and it was what it was.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
I couldn't do that, but like it was really smart,
and I was like.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Wow, smarter than Michael Barnett. Maybe probably.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
He's not super sharp, and he's really dramatic. He'd be
really good on like a soap. I feel like he
brings that level of drama. Oh, he's like Days of
Our Lives or something.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
He's pretty dramatic, like like it's uncomfortable.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
To watch him.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
It is. It's really cringe.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
It's like watching it's like watching Michael Scott in his
improv class in the office, Like it's it's pretty it's
pretty terrible.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Wait, wait you remember this? Uh? What what did Michael
just say to you? He has he has a gun
after the teacher said, Michael, get rid of all your guns.
Do you remember that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:25):
And he's liked, what did we talk about last time?
Because he's Michael scarn anyway, Yeah, Okay. Natalia is released
from LaRue and the Barnets didn't pick her up, so
they sent her to a halfway house full of adults
and Natalia is like, I don't know what to do here.
They were drinking, drugs, smoking, and cussing. She doesn't understand
any of this and feels super scared. So they cut

(37:47):
to Michael in a twenty twenty two interview, throwing Christine
under the bus a little, which made me happy. Christine
calls Michael and says, we need to go pick up Natalia.
If something happens to the if something happens to the daughter,
why can't I say the If something happens to the
daughter of the christ the Christine Barnett, then she would

(38:09):
be famous for her daughter dying of an overdose, like
bad famous.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Well, then Christine called herself the Christine Barnett. Correct, Hey, allan,
this is the Ashley Love Richards. No, the one, yeah,
the only In case there was any confusion, Yeah, it's
it's me. It's the Ashley, the Ashley Love Richards. You

(38:37):
know what, Christine Barnett whatever, keep going. I'm sorry, I'm
just gonna I'm I'm I'm gonna shud it. I promise,
keep you keep trucking.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
So Michael's like she didn't care about her health or safety.
She just cared that the Saint had a daughter who
died of an OD and didn't want that to happen,
Like she didn't want it to happen that he calls
her like self referring as the Saint. She didn't want
people to think that the Saint had a daughter that
died of an OD, which she was dying of an OD.

(39:10):
But she was probably worried if somebody like kills her
in the house that you know, people would think that
they took Natalia back to the house for like a night,
but then the next day she found out that they
were taking her to live in an apartment, and the
next day they drop her off at the Westfield apartment
to live. She's like, I'm eight, I've never been taught
to do anything, and I was lost.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Sorry, I can't, I can't, I can't.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
She didn't know where she was and they expected her
to just live by herself. She didn't know what else
to do, but she didn't, like she was young, and
all she knew was like she wanted to be with parents,
even though they hadn't.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Trusted her well.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
She said, I wasn't really liked by my neighbors, and
I didn't really know why at the time. She said,
I had no boundaries, so I was just like wandering
into people's houses to find food. And I didn't know
that that wasn't acceptable because I was a little kid
and I didn't and they thought I was this like
twenty two year old woman just walking into their homes
to steal their food. And she's like, I didn't know

(40:10):
what was right or wrong in living alone in an
apartment because again, for the ninth fucking time, I was eight,
that's my words, and I heard, but I I'm voicing
it for her. So they've interviewed this cranky lady who
was a former neighbor named Sue McCallum. She basically says,

(40:32):
I still believe Natalia's twenty two to this day. I
believe Natalia is twenty two because they proved she was
twenty two and she was a bad girl.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
You know what, Sue even Christine should be best friends
and go fuck the fuck right off, right, You sound
like you have similar values.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
You fucking cunt. They're all cunts Exceptatalia.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I love you.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
I saw a meme one time that was like it
was something about somebody asking me to do something, and
it was like a guy saying, so you're gonna want
to go all the way that direction and just fuck
all the way off like that.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
If anybody, if y'all ever get asked directions by Michael
or Christine, that's that's sun.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
So you give them a propost response. Will link that
meme somewhere. So she said, I misplaced her for a
little girl at first, but I can tell that she
wasn't a little girl because she didn't act like a
little girl.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
She said.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
I'm She said that Natalia told her I'm twenty two
and I don't need my mother, And she said, now
Natalia is saying things to try to get herself to
look good, and people, Natalia said, well, people start reporting
all these inappropriate things that I had done, and they

(41:56):
had to get so much on her before they could
finally evict her the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Did you see the video where Michael is grilling this
eight year old nine year old about where she got
these donuts that he finds in the cabinet. Dude, it's
in the last it's in the previous season. They're taking
all these videos of Natalia all the time right to
like as damning evidence. In this video, he's like, where

(42:22):
did you get these donuts?

Speaker 4 (42:24):
And she's like, oh, I found them. They were just
in the cabinet.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
He's like, no, these are from like, oh these are fresh,
Like where did you get them? He's like aggressively grilling
her about where she got the donuts. Probably a neighbor
gave them to her or something, and she's like all scared,
saying that she found them in the cupboard and he's like,
you're lying and knowing that she was fucking eight in

(42:53):
that video, and he's like yelling at her about where
she got these donuts, because you guys aren't fucking feeding her. Really,
you're like taking her grocery shopping here and there, but
she can't like get food on her own.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
I can't. I the neighbor says, well, I knew. Another
reason we knew she wasn't twenty two is because she
was inappropriate with a little boy. And Natalia is like, okay,
wait a minute, this is a situation that has been
blown out of proportion. I was a little kid. He
was a little kid. So we were like rolling down
this grassy hill together and then we were having like

(43:33):
a tickle fight. We were just like wrestling around and
tickling each other, like being kids together. And she said
suddenly her dad, the kid's dad, and all these people
start running over and screaming at her. So she's terrified
and jumps up and runs away because they said that
she was getting like too close to his private areas.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
And the day they all think she's because they all
think she's twenty two, they all think she's an adult.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, and she's like, we're just being kids, like he
was another kid I could finally play with. Natalia would go,
so who's like she would walk around and talk to
all these men. They would let her in and let
her stay for hours, and Natalia and this is the
situation that makes me so scared. Natalia says, one time

(44:18):
she went to this older gentleman's apartment and he invited
her in, and she realized as soon as she got
in there that he was not dressed. He she like
tries to like change the subject and be like, so,
what you watching on TV? And he's like he shows
her and it's like a very sexual video on TV.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
That's why she described it.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Natalia is like, I don't want to watch that.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
I'm just gonna go.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
And he's like, oh, hey, you can watch it, and
she's like, I don't want to can we change it?
So he keeps trying to convince her to watch this
movie and she finally says I'm gonna go and she leaves,
and she says, you know, I was really uncomfortable. Like
later she says, what if I would you know sa
by this guy Sue. They cut back to Sue the

(45:06):
nosy neighbor, and she says, this was a very like
this is the way she writes this sky off. This
was a very flirty gentleman. Uh, he got reported to
the office a couple of times, like one lady was
going to check her mail and he was just standing
out there in the nude and.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
That crazy old guy. But this fucking child is the devil, okay, Sue.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
She says that that's another reason though, that like that
Natalia must be lying is because Natalia, you know, should
have known to go report him or speak up against
this guy, like if she was scared of him.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Like the shit out of Sue, I'm going to Lafayette,
she says, not where she is. So she's gonna tell
me where Sue is.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Oh my god, I know she Sue says Natalia just
didn't care about what he was doing, like she was
fine with it. She also says that Natalia used to
talk about being with guys and sex and things.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Sue is also the kind of woman who goes, well,
what was she wearing when women get raped? That's that's
who Sue is. That's that's exactly who Sue is.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
She's talking about a man that exposes his genitals in
public and then says it's the little girl's fault that
she didn't complain about him, and that's why he's doing it.
M hmm.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
That's that's the level we're at with Sue.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Thank god.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
It's the last time we talked to Sue.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Thanks god.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
They cut to a nice scene of her with Antoine,
who you know, says there's a lot of unfortunate things
that happened to her, and you know how much of
a shame it is that anyone is capable of doing that.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Hold on, I got to take a comedy break. Sophia
just said, how is there a friendly neighborhood peto in
all these stories? Just to top it off?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Just why not?

Speaker 1 (46:55):
You know, it's it's not all just the worst already.
Let's bring in the friendly naborhood pedo that everybody knows
is a fucking at least extremely inappropriate with women. But
that's just how he is. Oh Bob, you know, he
showed me his dick once and I said, oh Bob,
you put that away.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
You put that away, Bob.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
So the Barnets think they're free of her, and they're
starting to move on with their lives. There's like pictures
of them, it looks like on some sort of vacation
or outing. No Natalia. So the Department of Child Services
sends the Barnets a notice that Natalia is a dependent
because of her disability and she is their responsibility, so

(47:43):
real quick, they have their lawyer whip up a letter
to the.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
Department and Children's Services.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
It basically says, thanks, that's really not your jurisdiction anymore
because she's an adult, and dc has responds and says, yeah, guys,
your age. Her age doesn't matter because she has a disability,
which means she can't be left alone and she is
your dependent, right.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Which is so fucking frustrating, because that's why Christine and
Michael ended up getting off, Like why they ended up
getting acquitted of their charges is because they were never
able to bring in any proof into the fucking case
that Natalia was a child. They could only bring in

(48:27):
the fact that they failed her as no, not even
that they had aged her up. That the case could
only be about whether or not they had abandoned a dependent,
a dependent who and the court never got to hear
that that dependent was also a small child, and that's

(48:47):
been proved by multiple medical professionals.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
It is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
So the prosecutor says that her conditions obviously limit her
mobility and ability to move her arms hold things, and
she says, like not all people who are who are
disabled are considered dependents or will be dependent on care
from someone, But Natalia clearly was left in a situation
that was not okay for her. And you see her

(49:17):
like in her current life, like she has accommodations for
herself in every room and like small chairs and like
stools to get up at the counter and all sorts
of things for herself, which I don't even think they
left her in this apartment.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Also mm hm, no, you're correct. Also when you see
pictures and videos of Natalia now, she looks like a
grown ass fucking adult, yes, with Dwarfism, right when she
is a child, And do you look at those pictures
and videos, she looks like a fucking child with dwarf Wism.

(49:56):
These are very different fucking people. When you look at
the pictures. One is very very very clearly a child.
One is very clearly an adult. It's it's a mind
it's mind blowing.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
And you can see, like if you have for those
who might be listening to have children, you'll you know,
there's like this very definitive age like maybe five or six,
and they they finally start to lose that like last
little bit of baby puffiness in their cheeks, and they're
like they're like they start getting that older look to them,
and you can see that very like baby structure in

(50:29):
her face in like her early pictures and videos, like
she there's no questioning that she's a child not and like.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I said, a super cute one. Oh my gosh. It's
like it's not like I could be mean to an
ugly kid, you know, but like she's so cute. It's
what is but ugh, what I don't feel like I'm
adding literally anything to this conversation except for likeugh.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
It's one of those ones. It's like, so I mean,
kunt was now so good job, well done. Uh It's
but it's one of those ones. It's ridiculous, Like it's
so bad all you can do is laugh uncomfortably and just.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah and sigh the exasperation, and it just fucking want
to slap the shit out of Christine and Michael and
Sue and the fucking family doctor and the goddamn judge.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
And if we were in olden times, we'd be right
at home. We'd be oh sighing, get my smelling salts
we'd be right at home just sighing, and.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Where's my fainting couch?

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Where's my fainting that's what I need?

Speaker 5 (51:34):
Where the fuck someone to catch me?

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Uh so around they're saying, basically, you know, Christine's plan
is failing every step of the way in some way.
So they the What I didn't include was they also
that when they released Natalia from the mental facility, the

(52:01):
mental facility was like, there's nothing wrong with her, to
the point where we don't even recommend meds or treatment,
Like she just needs to leave.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Dude, don't you think it's weird?

Speaker 1 (52:12):
How they so many Ah, fuck, I guess you didn't
watch the documentary, but I did summarize this in my update.
So many people from the mental institution who they interviewed
were like, yeah, she was. She would say really crazy

(52:32):
shit and like gave like really really wild accounts of
Natalia's behavior, and some of it, they said, was that
she was really sexual and you're we're gonna learn some
adorable information in the next episode. And usually children aren't
sexual unless they've been exposed to sex too early.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
So these people who are like.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
You don't have to be a mental health professional to
work in a sideport that's actually probably maybe you do,
I don't know, probably not not to do the basics. Fuck,
I don't know, it honestly, probably changes. But the way
they because this documentary is garbage. It's garbage in the
sense that it's so trying to like keep you guessing

(53:28):
is she is? Should she is? Yeah, It's like, no,
she she's an adult who was a child. Now let's
make that super fucking clear to everyone so she can
get the help that she needs and deserves. Investigation Discovery.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Well. Also, something they don't mention, kids are fucking creepy, man.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
They do.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
They say creepy shit all the time. I've read so
many Reddit threads where kids will walk up to you
and be like I dream last night what your insides
look like, and like it's just because kids say weird.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
Fucking shit, like it is weird.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
My kids went through a two week period where they
didn't want to sleep with the lights off because they
thought something called the human rats were gonna get them.
And we were like, what are human rats? We were like,
don't say human rats. It was like a big It
was like a two week monster and it was the
weirdest thing. They were like they're rats, human sized rats

(54:22):
and they're they're in the shadows.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
And we were like, when did you come up with this?
Kids are just fucking creepy.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
So at a kid that's scot we don't what happened
to her for the six years before she came to them,
plus the trauma in her house, Like she's gonna say
weird shit kids.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Do Yeah, I say weird shit, and well I'm pretty grown.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
This is yes and yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
And are we in an improv class?

Speaker 5 (54:52):
And I yes?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
And I didn't know no.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
So this is the the to worthy end of the episode.
They are asking Michael in one of his depositions if
he checks if Christine checks in on Natalia, and Michael's like, oh, yes, yes,
we check in on her in person. Around the same time,
Natalia recalls that she she had been taking the meds

(55:19):
that Christine hold on a second, I'm gonna mute myself.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
I just want to make it very clear that I
forgot to put my phone on do not Disturb and
it has vibrated twice, and I want people to know
that I did not toot in case anybody heard that vibration,
and is like, did sheetoot? I didn't you guys? It
was my phone. I swear it really was. Though, go go,

(55:45):
oh my god, stop, don't let this moment linger.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
Oh, well you were talking about did you have to?

Speaker 4 (55:51):
Did you have to let it linger?

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (55:54):
There's the music. We haven't had it.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
You know. I'm such a fool for you. Michael song
to Christine. You've got me wrapped around your finger? Did
you have to let it linger?

Speaker 4 (56:09):
And did you have to?

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Did you have to? Did you have to let it linger? Okay? Thanks,
I feel better.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
All right. So it was a longer excerpt than I
usually am treated too.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
So all right, ground of applause. So where was I?

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Natalia's recalling one particular instance where she was taking met.
She was at her apartment. She was taking she took
her medicine that Christina had told her she had to
take because of her mental stuff. That's why she refers
to it. The medicine made her pretty drowsy, so she
fell asleep and at some point Christine comes into her

(56:54):
apartment demands to know why you're still sleep She's like,
why are you still sleeping? And it's like she said,
at this point, it's like maybe what like sometime in
the afternoon or something. I mean, I'm an eight year
old in an apartment. Maybe that's why I'm sleeping, so
nothing else to do, Christine. The first thing Christine does
is say did you take your meds? And Natalia's like, yeah,

(57:16):
that's why I was sleeping because I just took them.
And Christine's like, well, I don't believe that you took it,
and she shakes out another one. She hands it to
Natalia with water, and then turns away from her and
tells Natalia she has to take it. So Natalia takes
now a second pill of the same med by the way,
a medicine for adults, and she's an eight year old.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
So she's taken two.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Christine turns back and says, I didn't see you take
that one. I want you to take another one while
I'm watching, hands her a third pill, makes her take
the third pill, and then finally she gets done taking it.
Christine leaves, and Natalia said she starts like walking toward

(57:58):
the bathroom, and at this point she's like, you know,
she stands up a little while later, she's stumbling. She
can't like walk straight. She's super super dizzy. She fell
on her way to the bathroom, couldn't really see straight.
She gets super dizzy, falls asleep coming out of her bathroom,
and then wakes up and it's like she's blacked out

(58:20):
till like two in the morning. She says, looking back,
it felt like Christine tried to overdose her, and she
realizes that maybe she could have even died that day.
She was seven or eight years old, exactly. She was
seven or eight years old, already taking an adult drug,
and she took it three times in one day. You're

(58:41):
on mute. You're on mute, Ashley, You're on mute nuts.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Hi, I'm back Hi. If anybody was wondering why, Allan said, exactly,
it's because somebody in our chat what's up? Phantom Shadow
Song said, my god, she could have died. Absolutely, yeah,
that's i Christine was probably trying to fucking martyr her. Honestly.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Well, that's what they're sort of indicating, is like, if
she's not getting her plan, like she's gonna take Natalia
out because so far now she's been able to age her.
But the aging didn't have the results she wanted because
it didn't make her not their dependent and they couldn't
commit her to a psych ward and clearly she hasn't
ever done anything egregious enough to get Natalia like locked

(59:27):
up because as Natalia said, like, I'm not actually a
murderer who puts pledge in people's coffee, like so yeah,
and that was pretty much the end of the episode.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Wow, great job in like keeping that toy. Yeah, girl,
so you get that TI, thanks baby, Yeah no, but
really yeah an hour that's a sweet spot. Good job.
Oh wow, thanks for taking one for the team because

(01:00:07):
I was I don't want to talk about both of
these stories today because I'm going to talk about five
and six on Sunday, and then I'm not going to
talk about adults heavily failing children and murdering them. Because

(01:00:27):
Gypsy Rose one hundred percent would have been murdered by Dedie.
It sounds like Natalia was in very much danger from Christine,
and sounds like Christine probably would have murdered her ass
if she had the chance, and like she probably tried.
And a bunch of kids die in the troubled teen industry,
which I know seems really random, but you guys have
been discussing how I've been covering the troubled teen industry

(01:00:51):
and hell Camp came out on Netflix, which was about wilderness,
quote therapy camps, more child torture. So I'm I'm getting like,
I feel like I'm kind of good.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
Yeah on that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
I'm gonna take some figure out how to apply some
brain bleach next week and just yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
I watched one of these for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Oh okay, I just went like that and that did
I meant like, get some bleach like down my throat,
but it very much was like it was a very
it was a very sexual gesture.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
It was, and she didn't mean that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
It's already.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Well, you guys, I'm just putting bleach down my throat
because the podcast land use your imagination. Yeah, I went,
I went double handed, double fist, And Renee asks, why
does Natalia make me uneasy? Renee because the producers of
this documentary and Nata and uh, well, because Christine and

(01:02:04):
Michael Barnett have worked real.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Hard to make you feel that way, and the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Producers of this documentary have worked real hard to make
you think. I don't feel like I should be uneasy
because they're giving me proof, but then they keep saying
things that make me feel uneasy because the production team
wants to ride this out for as long as they

(01:02:29):
can and milk Natalia's story as much as they can
because they're also dirty fucks.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
I mean, I'm watching it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
But also this is the only time Natalia has been
able to tell her story so far, and I think
probably she signed I think probably she signed up to
be on this documentary. You don't have rights unless you're
a producer on the documentary. Even then, sometimes you don't
about how you look in a documentary at all, and

(01:02:57):
then you're generally bound to an NDA and she had
a gag order on her legally.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
For quite a while.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
So even though I think investigation discovery is trash, I
do think that while they've tried to keep some ooh
is she or isn't she in our minds, I think
it's very very very very very clear. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
I also think, as she is a child, that the
end of the day, you know, sadly, kids do get
psychiatric disorders like adults. Kids get depression, they get anxiety,
They even get thoughts of like unliving themselves at young ages,
and it's sad that that happens to kids. But a
parent's job is to not go, oh, my kid has

(01:03:49):
broken therefore their evil the parent's job is to say,
this is a child with a problem and a brain
that doesn't know how to regulate this. Yet it is
my job to fulfill my duty as a parent and
get them the help they need in an understanding way.
If your child scares you, find go to a professional
and talk to them about how to handle that. But like,

(01:04:12):
the answer is not, well, I have a problem child.
Let me age them by fifteen years and kick them
out of the house. There's medical documentation. Regardless of how
Natalia acts, there is medical documentation that she was a child.
Like that's a fact that cannot be refuted at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Yeah, and trauma makes people act weird, Like I have
complex PTSD and to this day, I still have a
lot of behaviors that I'm working on, and you know,
like traits and reactions and stuff that aren't ideal. But

(01:04:55):
that's what happens when you've had the system and individuals
and your biological parents and your three sets of adopted parents,
and the fucking doctors and the judges and literally every
single person who's ever come into your fucking life. Because
I'm sketched on the mans, I'm gonna be honest, I'm
gonna keep it to myself, but I feel a little

(01:05:15):
bit sketched there, and then the producers, it's like, who
the fuck has her best interest at heart and is
putting that first? Anybody?

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
I don't know that it's anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
And that's also like one of the symptoms of certain
types of conditions people have, including like trauma and depression,
is a very flat affect, meaning you might it might
be creepy because she just like talks very factually the camera.
But some people as a response or depending on your development,

(01:05:49):
like you don't react to things super emotionally, Like I
don't react to things super emotionally, but I'm not a psychopath.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Right right, And then I'm like the opposite is I
do react really strongly emotionally, and then I could be
a fucking psychopath too, because it's like you don't react enough,
so you're some sort of sociopath. I react too much,
so I'm like out of my mind right, So it's
just like, oh, yeah, where where do we strike the
balance that makes us societal societally acceptable. One of my

(01:06:21):
big things is that like, I'm full of rage, so
much rage, and I think rightfully so because look at
the shit that I talk about all day. The world
is a fucking cesspool that's enraging, and if I wasn't angry,
I think there'd be something wrong with me. But also
I know that my anger is a coping mechanism that
I've developed over many, many years because it has worked.

(01:06:44):
Because if I'm angry, then I don't have to feel
super sad and like I'm dying inside. Anger is a
more powerful feeling emotion. So if you're seeing interviews and
you're like, oh, wow, she seems really angry and unhinged,
it's like, yes, maybe, which makes a lot of sense,
a lot of sense, right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
And it's like when when people like cry at funerals
and they're like yeah, because after a certain point, your
body can only process so much and it's got to
come out somewhere. Some people it comes out by laughing.
Some people it comes out by crying, Like mine doesn't
really do that. I'll I'm the person that's gonna go, wow,
that makes me so mad, and I'm like seething inside
like a ragye fire as.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
Dwells within me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
But then I'm like, I'm so mad, and Ash is like,
what do you mean You're so mad?

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
But like, I'm an emoji? Are you really mad?

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Are you like that?

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
You didn't even put an emoji to back that up?

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
So I don't, right, yeah exactly, So anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
What's up from a poet? Hey, Brian? He says, I've
been pissed off all my life. I know the struggle. Well, Ash,
you are not alone, thank you. And like Sophia said,
fuck yeah, after that story, she gets to be angry.
Oh yes, I have not had I'm not trying to
trauma compare. Listen, I've had my own chet. Like I

(01:08:01):
would be a boiling pot of rage, just like following
everybody around trying to fucking bitch slap them in rage.
But I couldn't because I have dwarfism and I don't
have the fucking physical ability to hurt full sized adults.

(01:08:22):
That's locked up. This is the recap of season two.
Natalia speaks episode four, House of Horce. So we pick
up where Natalia was left at the Westfield apartments.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
Oh no, I can't see her face. Okay, I don't
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Okay, there weak and she says that nobody liked there.
She says that nobody liked her their case in point,
Sue that fucking cunt.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Is awful. See you next Tuesday, Sue.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
She was like, I still believe that Natalia is an
adult and she was a creepy child molester and the
fucking sexual predator next door definitely was being super chill,
and she was being a weirdo.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Like I can't what.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Like I said, Sue's the kind of person who asks
what they were wearing when a woman.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Gets sexually assaulted, essayed.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Yeah, so that's really funny how you said sexually assaulted
and I abbreviated it to essayed and I said cunt
and you said, see you next Tuesday. You know, everybody
has their things that they do and don't like to say.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Not that you love saying, you know, I don't moving
up saying sexually assaulted.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Okay, bringing the moose back, all right, he's gonna sit
on my shoulder. Actually that feels really appropriate. Okay, it's
like a like a parrot, but instead it's a moose. Okay,
here we go, pau you know what, let me just
I was like, I don't even know his name's and

(01:10:13):
that seems rude. It's Zeus, Zeus the moose.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Do you want to know what my son names.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
You like, not a chuckle, not even a smile.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Smile inside you, guys. This is what idea is what
we were talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
Haha, Zeus the moose.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Okay, come on, me and Zeus are going okay. Natalia
is sitting across from the old Barnett's house on a
swing and talking to Antoine, Man's her guardian, and she
refers to the Man's family, Antoine and Cynthia, as her parents.
They are extremely religious, and I'm going to leave it

(01:11:01):
at that. And if you listen to the first episodes,
or if you listened to the first episodes or watched
them here on YouTube, then you absolutely you know that. Okay.
So Natalia retells the event of when Christine made her

(01:11:26):
walk around the entire block without her shoes on, and
she said when she got back, her feet were bleeding
and Christine wouldn't let her in the house and cleaned
her feet off outside with a brush. Natalia said that
she was telling Christine that it hurt, but Christine didn't listen.

(01:11:50):
And as Natalia's looking at the house, she's crying and
saying like that, that's like a haunted house to me.
And she's obviously having like a fucking trauma response, you know,
like just seeing the house is bringing up physical responses

(01:12:13):
in her. I'm gonna take Zeus the moose off my shoulder,
just because I don't want to like make the podcast
seem less serious. He's sitting in my lap.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Should I put away my unicorn? No?

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
I just like him on my Him on my.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Shoulder was yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
It was maybe like seemed a little too light.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
I am legit gripping this this stuffed animal so tight
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Like yeah, because this is this and Gypsy Rose or
two of the most horrific child abuse case.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
I heard like grinding my teeth so much watching the
episode as I was typing this morning, and I was like,
like my jaw heard after I was been watching it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
It was so hard to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Ugh. Yeah, I actually just got a special thing that
I have to wear at night because my teeth getting
fucked up because apparently I'd grind them super hard all
night intense anyhow, So that's obviously super fucked. She said
that neighbors drove by didn't do or say anything, and

(01:13:25):
she said I was a little girl. I was seven,
and I want to know why. Yeah, me too, Like
of course, like, what the fuck is wrong with people?
Natalia wanted to tell the neighbors what was happening, but
she was scared because they were good, because the neighbors
were good friends of the Barnetts, so she was afraid

(01:13:46):
that they wouldn't believe them and then would tell Christine
or Michael, and then the retaliation. Yeah, Christine, would you know,
spray her in the eyes with pepper spray, or make
her walker around the block until her.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
Feet were bleeding, or you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
A literal horror that that horror you like, that could
come up with. So we talked to one of the neighbors,
Rachel Amber. She said that her daughter, She said that

(01:14:26):
her and her daughter, Gracie, used to play together and
they were basically joined at the hip. And then one
day Christine told Rachel that Natalia had been trying to
kill them and had been putting thumbtacks on the stairs. Yeah,
that old chestnut and hiding knives in her mattress, which

(01:14:51):
I would like to add, seems to me like a
fear response.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
Carr your own bed sounds like a fear respond.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
If I'm like scared that somebody's gonna break into my house,
or something. I'm probably gonna hide a knife under my
pillow or in the very least, keep a baseball bat
next to my bed.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Actually, though, if you're not super strong, you actually shouldn't
use a knife, because generally, if the predator doesn't have
a weapon, if you're not very strong and don't know
how to bend them off, then often they end up
with the weapon. I learned that because once I called
my friend and I was like, I heard a noise.

(01:15:33):
So I'm walking around my whole house right now with
a knife, checking every closet, and she was like, no, no,
put the knife away.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
So I just thought i'd share that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
With you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
When I was little, my dad left me well, like
I was old enough to be left alone, but I
was so scared because it was like the latest I
was on my own in that house. So I had this.
He came home and he was like, I found you asleep.
It was adorable. I found you asleep on a couch
under your blank it with a knife under your pillow.
And it was like this little old, like dull steak knife.

(01:16:07):
The handle was like falling off. I think they were
gonna like get rid of it because it didn't work anymore,
and it was like, I was like, I was scared.
I thought I heard a sound.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
He's like, fucked under my pillow.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
You wear a little cult ling at at a young age,
just a budding fan of the fucked.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
I was just under there, like, who are you gonna stab.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
With that dull knife?

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
I don't think it would if even cut through this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
I mean cook call though, you know that's cute. But
Rachel buys this because Christine is extremely manipulative, and Rachel
actually later says that she was afraid of Christine. It

(01:16:56):
sounds like a lot of people were pretty afraid of Christine. Yeah,
so Natalia and Rachel meet. Rachel comes out of her house,
telling Natalia how pretty she looks and how much she's

(01:17:17):
grown and if she remembers coming over all the time
to play with Grace, and Natalia, you know, she gets
very emotional. She's crying and she's defensive and she's like,
why why did you believe that stuff? She said quote

(01:17:42):
did I ever try to hurt Grace? And Rachel says no,
and then she says why did you believe it? And
Rachel's just like.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
It was going to be like, oh, I do so
much fun when you abandon me to abusive people and
believed I was going to kill your daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Yeah. So Natalia asks Rachel why she never questioned Christine,
and Rachel says that she's really sorry and that she
should have and she's remorseful what happened and blah blah blah.
But if she had known what was really going on,
she would have taken Natalia in herself. And Natalia asks,

(01:18:25):
why didn't you, And Rachel says that she was scared
of Christine even though they were friends.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
I don't know, but we think it's a weak answer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Yeah. It just blows my mind that nobody was like, listen,
maybe it's nothing, but this seems really fucking suspicious, like
not Yeah, one person blew the whistle along the way,
Are you kidding who? Natalia in an interview says that

(01:19:08):
she never wants to see Christine again, but she is
willing to talk to Michael.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
Then we see Michael in.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
An interview saying that the day that they adopted adopted,
that's not a word, saying that the day they adopted
Natalia was one of the five best days of his life.
Fallon top five. It was so weird though, because in
the last episode, I feel like he said something along

(01:19:36):
the lines of like, thank god we got rid of her.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Did they did that? Did he like edit it to that?
Did they edit that sentence? Because if you watched the
first episode of the documentary, he says, without context, adopting
Natalia is one of the five best days of my life.
And now it sounds like the same quote, but like

(01:20:01):
without the without context removed.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
With the context. Now yeah, with context, he's saying, Oh
see this this cross on the wall. Yeah, it says
grace in the middle, because we got it when we
attacked adopted an Italian grace And you know, I barely
have anything from my former life left, but I do have.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
This, which he also blamed on her in the first season,
by the.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Way, that he had nothing left. It was on n
Italia's fault.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Because it was an Italia's fault. He would have a
wife and a family.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
And mine hat that's super evil, right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Money if it wasn't for an Italia. So okay, Michael
missed me with all your all your nonsense.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
He has a lot of back and forth, like make
up your mind. Michael says that he'd like to apologize
to Italia, but not the world. Okay, fallon, So just
to let you know, he doesn't owe a shit. Okay,
I'm sorry, but he's a sassy motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
He's Yeah, he's like sassy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
He's a bitch.

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
He is kind of a bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
I would say that like Christine, like I would kind
of almost flip genders on this or what you usually
hear and be like, Christine is a giant, flaming asshole.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Yeah, she's kind of a little bitch. She's kind of
a dick.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
She is. She's a I'm gonna go, she's a tiny dick,
not even a huge dick.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
I mean, yeah, I got you. I understand how you're
characterizing them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
This is such a dick, dude. Okay. So Ken Maxwell
is brought in. He's a retired assistant Special Agent in
charge for the counter Terrorism Branch for the FBI, so

(01:22:09):
many words. He already was retired when he heard about
Natalia's case, but it intrigued him so much that he
started that he started investigating it. And he says that
we can't get into the minds of Catherine what is

(01:22:35):
her name? Who the main fucking I just lost my mind.
The Barnett lady Christine totally just forgot her name completely,
forgot it Christine. H uh huh, yep, okay, I'm okay.

(01:22:56):
So he says, we can't get into the minds of
Christine or Mike goal, but based off of the evidence
we've uncovered and interviews and official documents, it really gives
us a glimpse into what they were thinking at the time.
That helps support the notion that there was certainly a

(01:23:17):
purposeful plan, as you were talking about, like it was
like step A, step B steps freedom. Yeah, getting the
apartment in Lafayette was a part of the plan to
get rid of Natalia for good. And he says that
the apartment in Lafayette, the other one was on a

(01:23:38):
first level, is ground level. The apartment in Lafayette is
up at least seventeen stairs. Bitch, I have a hard
time going up seventeen stairs. Oh my gosh, I should
work out more. Really, but like that that is so
fucked up. That's fucked. That is fucked the Yeah, the

(01:24:01):
apartment was just absolutely unsuitable.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
Was this a second apartment then.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
Yes, because she got evicted from.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
The first one, creeping out the neighbors. Like remember she
was being a weirdo because she was an eight year
old living by herself. I probably would have gotten pretty
weird too. I was already weird as a kid, and
not this was happening, So you know, all right, you know, okay,

(01:24:32):
kids are creepy, Like yeah, like you said, I dreamed
of what your insides looked last night. That would scare
the hell out of me. But I read thread that's
so funny. Read it is both at the same time
amazing and one of the worst places. So we see

(01:24:57):
that a nine year old old with disabilities is left
in an extremely dangerous neighborhood, alone in an apartment that's
completely unsuitable for somebody who has special special physical needs.
And the type of dwarfism that she has, it's really

(01:25:24):
hard to pronounce.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
But it can make do you know it. I don't
know the words for it, but I know that it
also comes with a bunch of other issues. And one
of the previous episode they said it comes with like
uh limitations, It can come up with like physical pain, arthritis,
so sorts of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
What she has is diastrophic dysplasia, which is a disorder
of cartilage and bone development that leads to an onset
of joint pain and deformity. It's a rare genetic condition
that also is actually the catalyst for dwarfism, because a
child's legs and arms don't grow and develop to the

(01:26:11):
typical adult length. That just came off of CHOP, which
is Children's Hospital of Philadelphia dot EDU. I just want
to say that, because that obviously didn't just come from
my fucking brain, and I quoted it right off their page.
But so it's not that she has dwarfism and then

(01:26:31):
has additional complications because of that. She has this very
rare condition that in itself is just by fault by default,
extremely fucking painful and difficult to deal with, and Dwarfism.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
Is one of the side effects in addition to.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
All the other shit. Last night, when I was talking
to Chante, I don't know if you did you watch
episodes one and two before you watched three.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
I didn't, Okay, so I just ran out of time.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
No, I get it, I get it. She does a lot,
you guys. She was supposed to know. She wasn't supposed
to She did have a surgery. It was one out
of a few, if not multiple surgeries that Natalia was

(01:27:35):
supposed to get while in the care of the Barnetts.
And with this, with this disorder, it's really important that
people get surgeries at the right times because of where
they are in develop as a fucking human development. Yes, right,

(01:27:55):
and so one of her, So they got her her
first surgery and then they were like that was expensive,
and she was being super fucking whiny about it after
because you know what the surgery was, what them cutting
her fucking achilles tendon to lengthen it. Oh sorry, you guys,

(01:28:17):
trigger warning for like gnarly fucking Yeah, that like hurts
even thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Oh, and so I bet like if suddenly she's twenty two,
they can go, oh, I guess it's too late to
do all her other surgery is so what a shame.
We don't have to spend that money.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
And Natalia says that she actually thinks that in addition
to so many other things, that was one of the
catalysts They were like, uh, we thought we're gonna be
making money off of her. Now she's costing us money.
This is cuckoo. Yeah, but Christine was being a whore
when Natalia would be like, Hey, I'm dying of pain, Mommy,

(01:28:58):
I'm a child. Scene would just ignore her and Michael
would bring her the pain meds eventually, But I'm sorry,
getting your fucking achilles heel cut sounds like one of
the worst surgeries, like imaginable. Ow, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
I had surgery once and they have to like dislocate
your shoulder to get in there while you're out. Obviously,
I was in pain for six solid weeks after that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
And it wasn't nearly as invasive. And I was an adult.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
She's a baby.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Yeah, I was an adult with a high pain tolerance,
Like she is a baby.

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
What I can't I.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Cannot imagine nicorn level of fucking trauma that she has.
I hope she's able to get so much of the
right kind of help.

Speaker 5 (01:29:57):
I can't get going.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Okay, I know, yeah, okay, I think we can. Here
we go. This is also pretty fun. Natalia didn't know
that she was moving to the apartment in Lafayette until
they got to it, and they're like, so you live

(01:30:22):
here now and we're going to Canada deuces later days.
Good luck.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
Wow, How am I supposed to get up and down
these stairs?

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
I don't know, figure it out? Uh huh, yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Exactly God, I fucking hate these people.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
Yeah, they're like kind of the worst.

Speaker 7 (01:30:40):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
You guys get to tune in and hear me say
insightful things like I fucking hate these people.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
And I didn't have a lot of insight to add
last time either, except for size.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
Of not relief, size of anger, and there's.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
Not a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Guys, can just watch me hug my unicorn in absolute
sadness and try not to die on the inside. I know,
I like you. I like your little moose.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Zeus Moose is here, you guys. Actually, Zeus has a
really beautiful story. Zeus was he belonged to my roommate Dylan,
who passed away by suicide a few years ago. And

(01:31:30):
it's really funny because he started he was always very entrepreneurial,
and he started collecting beanie babies as a kid because
like he knew that they were going to be worth
something millions. Yeah, he was like, fucking no, we checked.
It's he's I think he's like maybe a couple hundred bucks.

(01:31:51):
But yeah, so like, what's up, you guys. Shout out
to Dylan or Ip. Yeah, yeah, I'm actually gonna go
see Third Eye Blind with his sister and her fiance
and a couple of our other friends.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
I was thinking about seeing Third Eye Blind because they're
coming nearish to here.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
And there's such millennial jen zeers.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Renee said Natalia literally went through hell in the chat,
and I would agree.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
She fucking did. It's yeah, literal hell. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
This is another one of those points where I want
to stop and say any any haters out there that
are saying like, oh, well, you know whatever, if you
haven't had your Achilles ten and surgically cut and then
had parents that wouldn't give you pain meds after, then
you need to go to hell. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
That's that's a strong fact from Fallon.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
I like it's that one's right out of Fallon's files.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
I'm generally the really aggressive one, but you know what,
I like it, like it. This is me fired up
Fallon unfiltered. Okay, that's like, dude, that has to be
the name of your YouTube or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Fallen Unfiltered can be the name of my YouTube. That's
the name of my only fans pasion. No, that's naked.
Thomas Kinkaid puzzles.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
You guys for reference founs like in her early forties
and literally does Thomas Kinkaid puzzles and then frames them
and puts them on her wall like a sixty five
year old.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
For the record, all the Thomas Kinkaid puzzles I framed
I did when I was in my late twenties.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
So you were old as fuck. Then that's even crazier,
that's right. And then you've been carrying those fucking puzzles
around for fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Yep, they're on my wall right now. I was doing
a puzzle the other day by thomasid. Nash Is like
you're gonna frame it, and I was like, you bet,
and I'm a fucking hang it on my backdrop during
our shows just for you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
No, actually, you guys. Fun fact too, since we were
just talking about Dylan, he he had a bunch of
Thomas Kincaid paintings that he bought super hammered on a
cruise ship because he was like, that's a good investment

(01:34:28):
on a fucking cruise. I just think that's hilarious that
he was buying fine art on a cruise while he
was shit canned.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
See I'm bringing it full.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Circle for you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
That's a fun story.

Speaker 5 (01:34:40):
Okay, all right, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Back to this fucking garbage fire. So Detective Brandon Davenport
discovered that Natalia, when she got dropped off in this
incredibly non suit apartment for somebody with her needs, not

(01:35:03):
only did they take away her specialized shoes, also her
walker because oh also it's not in this episode, but
we know previously that they deleted her social worker's phone
number out of her phone so that she wouldn't know
how to access who she needed to for help. Satan, Satan,

(01:35:30):
Satan walking and people's bodies on Earth. Yeah, so Detective
Brandon Davenport emphasizes what Ken Maxwell said earlier. He was
just like, this is not this apartment was not catered
for someone with dwarf ism whatso motherfucking ever.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Actually, I think Satan would probably be like settle down
and the way we say not today, Satan, I think
Satan says not today, Christine.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Really, he'd be like, listen, this is like too much.

Speaker 5 (01:36:05):
He's like too harsh for me.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
It's a little too much.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Yeah, he says not today, not today, Christine, Not today,
Christine Barnett. That's what he says when he wakes up
in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Oh so gross, hunt Dracula because She's a fucking blood sucker. Man.
She's like, she's sucking all these people dry. You know
that she made over a million dollars. That's a guest
of it, but I'm right. I'm certain on the book
the spark about her son with j.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
She turned her son into a genius. Get the fuck
out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Yeah, what's my point about that? I don't know. Oh,
because she's a fucking she just sucks everything out of
everyone around her until their shells of people. Yeah, count Dracula.
That's good. I'm gonna start using that. I like it.
That's okay, here we go. I don't think I don't

(01:37:13):
think the algorithm would love that. Actually I don't. I
don't think they'd push it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
Our account probably would get shut down.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Don't do that, you guys. So now we are seeing
an old interview near No, that's not what we're doing.
Now we hear that Natalia saw Christine twice and Michael
once while she was living in the apartment in Lafayette,
and then never again until she's like seen Michael in

(01:37:48):
this extremely awkward reunion. So Natalia and Cynthia Mann's her
or legally adopted mom. Although we're sticking with the documentary,

(01:38:09):
but we've heard.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
I don't want to I don't want to know any.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
I would just call it what she is in the documentary.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Okay, yeah, we're sticking with that because I haven't Yes,
this is a binge or bust. We haven't really been
announcing that, but you binger bust is a segment where
we watch a documentary for you. We tell it to
frame by frame essentially, and then we say binge it
or bust it if it sucked, bust it, and even

(01:38:41):
sometimes it's a bust if it was really good. But
I feel like our explanation of it served its purpose.
But sometimes the footage or the real interviews or whatever
are worth watching. I would say that this is a bust,
but our recap of it is a binge. And then

(01:39:04):
so that you can hear Natalia Grace actually speak for herself.
She's got to be doing some interviews soon.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Like I think, I'll be honest, I think that like
Gypsy Rose, the documentary was a binge, but the last
episode I did not think was a binge. I thought
the last episode of that doc was a bust, but
our retael was a binge.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Okay, Also, since I did with this, since I did
this with Gypsy, I will say that Natalia was at
eighteen thousand followers when I checked her Instagram this morning,
and now she's at nineteen point nine k. So I
don't think she's going to have a blow up as
big as Gypsy. But I do think that both of

(01:39:50):
their documentaries came out the same day, January fifth, and
I think everybody because Gypsy's case is more known and
it's been on Good Morning America and like every fucking
thing that you look at. But I think now that
it's been a week, because that's the attention span of humans. Now,

(01:40:13):
they're probably looking more at Natalia because her post from
her post from December twenty third, twenty twenty three, has
four hundred and fifty four likes, and her post from
six hours ago has one thy three hundred and seventy likes.

(01:40:38):
So that's in what two weeks? Three weeks? About about
three weeks? Yeah, So I think that, I really, I mean,
I know, Gypsy's gotten so much support. You can just
tell by her outfits, like she got styled out, dude,
oh yeah, her nails, her hair, Like she looks better
than I have in a long ass time. Actually, you

(01:40:59):
know what, I foliated and shaved.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
You do that, so you do look shiny and hairless.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
I was just gonna say you do look dewey complexed,
but then he said shaved, and I was like, uh
uh okay.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
So actually, all right, what's up? Phantom shadow Song in
the chat says she can't talk about these things because
of her contract with the documentary filmmakers. Yeah. I figured
she probably has to wait for an NDA to run out.
She has stated this on her TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
Probably there we go and there's probably like with Gypsy,
there's probably like random other content that they didn't publish
but that they're gonna use for future season, And so
she can't spill the tea.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
I haven't watched episode six yet, but apparently it ends
on another fucking cliffhanger. It's like, real, it's really gonna
stretch this out for eighteen episodes, you fucking ask. That's like,
fuck off. You got what you needed from this situation.
Now leave her alone. Let her contract expire so she
can tell her story for real, not your fucking edited

(01:42:11):
version of it, you pieces of garbage. Oh so she
was with her mom, Okay, she was with mom, Sorry,
what happened? She was with uh Cynthia, right, Cynthia, Yeah,
they're together, uh huh. And and they're at the Lafayette apartment.
Uh huh. Yeah, And they sit down on the steps

(01:42:35):
and talk about the apartment and how she couldn't even
reach the mailbox. She had at least seventeen stairs to
go up and down every time she needed to go somewhere,
mind you, not in her fucking special shoes or with
her walker, because they took those away. And then it's

(01:42:56):
it's it almost is like, did you guys fucking play
on that? They hear in not in succession, not like
bum bum boom, but kind of sort of separate. They
hear three gunshots and they're like, yeah, we're gonna go
like it's one hundred fire fire works. I can I

(01:43:17):
can't tell, actually, but I was watching it with my
boyfriend and he was like, yeah, that's not fireworks. It's
definitely gunshots.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Again. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
So that's the kind of neighborhood that they left a
disabled nine year old in just to drive that home.
Now we see an old interview of Michael. Oh, Michael
stopped doing interviews.

Speaker 5 (01:43:39):
Yeah, every time you should.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
Stop comes up Michael telling the cameras that Christine called
him and said that he quote needed to quit his job,
call his boss, and come home immediately because they are
moving to Canada. So Christine takes the boys and finds

(01:44:01):
somewhere to live while Mack while Michael stays back and
sells all of their things as directed by Christine, and
then pieces out to Canada to join them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
What the actual fuck? I hate these people. I'm just
gonna keep saying that that's my hotel.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
There is to say is hot take the day we
hate them? Oh so this is okay, this is what
It bewilders me about the shit that Michael says on camera.
So now we're hearing him talk about the Canada period.

(01:44:44):
He says that they were fighting every single day when
they were in Canada, and he recounts the yelling and
mental abuse that he was enduring from Christine. And I
don't want to discount that. She does sound like a monster,
but so is he so fucking and he tells Christine repeatedly,

(01:45:05):
this is coming directly from Michael, okay, that he was
going to kill her.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
That he was gonna kill Natalia.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
No, Christine, he said to Michael's recounting this to us
to the camera that he said to Christine, I'm gonna
kill you over and over one day when he snapped
on her in front of the kids.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
But we had to move to Canada and reage and
displace a terrifying nine year old with dwarfism because we
were so scared of her.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Okay, just she's She's the one who's terrifying. But when
Michael loses it, he threatens to kill Christine repeatedly, which honestly,
she was probably like fuck yes, like that was some
fuel she needs what I live for? Oh yeah, And
she was like, I can use that against you. Amazing.
So apparently she turns to the kids and goes, Daddy's

(01:46:10):
going to try to kill all of us, but it's
okay because I'll protect you.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
What a manipulative piece of garbage.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
And then get this, How weird is this? How weird
is this? How weird is this?

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
The boys, scared of Daddy start sleeping with what by
their beds a knife, ding ding ding.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
But they're not sending them to live in apartments alone
with you know, and reaging them.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
No, because if it's Natalia doing it, it means that
she's going to murder them. If it's their boys doing it,
it's because they're scared of Daddy. I'm going to say
Natalia was scared of both of them, more so Christine.
But also, when you have somebody who watches you be
abused and is absolutely fucking useless about it, that person's
also abusing you, and they're scary because you can't you

(01:47:04):
know that you can't turn to them. I Christine tells
a therapist that Michael is a danger to her and
her boys and a physical threat to their family.

Speaker 3 (01:47:22):
I mean, I've kind of seen Michael rant and talk,
and I don't imagine he doesn't seem like physically threatening,
Like he seems like a dhinged emotionally, but it seems
like a guy that would tell you he's going to
kill you and then throw up like a baldup piece
of paper at you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Like yeah, like break a vase and dramatically storm out
of the room.

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
Right, don't follow me.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
Listen. You guys have heard me say on the time.
You guys have heard me say a lot of times
on the podcast or YouTube. Actually I've avoided saying it
on the YouTube because I'm like, you can't take that
back ashually that maybe some people should just get schmurdered,
you know, but like it's not good to publicly say that.

Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
Just that word cracks me up.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
I don't want anyone to get murdered neither, I just shmurdered.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
I just think it's it's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
I like it every time something emotionally affects man.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
No, I don't think anybody nobody should get not nobody,
but nobody in this story should get schmurdered. But they
should spend the rest of their lives behind bars. Absolutely,
I agree. But Christine's like, awesome, Now Michael's going to
sound like a schmurderer because he finds out that she

(01:48:52):
had video taped him during their argument. No, yeah, that's
why she was like, yeah, bitch, tell me, how is
she gonna kill me? That's very on brand for her.
This is so on brand.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
Just walk around with like a oh just ignore this,
Like she walks around with a little selfie stick with
a GoPro just permanently.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
The weird thing is you can tell that she thinks
she's super hot and she's not. Okay, listen, I'm not
trying to pass judgment on people's appearances. But I hate
her and she's a monster, and she thinks she's fucking
a hot bitch and she's not. She's just a bitch.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
Christine just wearing like a miner's helmet around with a
camera strap to the front, like go ahead, say what
you gotta say.

Speaker 5 (01:49:43):
Promise you're not being videotaped. Just wondering if.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
That's on at like at all the right times.

Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
Right, did this bitch have a like a body cam?

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Like yeah, like, what is happening? So wh while Michael
is in the US, Christine goes to the tape, goes
to the cops and is like, listen, he's gonna kill me.
I have proof. And in February of twenty fourteen, Christine
calls Michael and tells him what she did.

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
And it is crazy. I don't know why this.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
Is taped. I guess they're just taping one another at
all times at this point now because this phone conversation
is taped, She's like, she's crying, and she tells Michael
that she had to tell that story to an officer
in a bullet proof vest fallon three times and it

(01:50:45):
was really scary. And then she stops sobbing, and she
goes and I felt like you were going to harm
me because you started cracking your knuckles, and he interrupts
her and says, I wasn't going to you, but I
can understand why you're feeling that way. He's probably recording
this shit because he's trying to sound super calm. Sure,

(01:51:08):
So she interrupts him to tell him to shut up
and not to go into his freaky denial because she
can't deal with that right now. Then she starts crying
again and says that she could have been a bitch
to him, but she wasn't, and that she was so
pissed off and it was Valentine's Day, and he thinks

(01:51:31):
that she's been with other people, but she hasn't been
with anyone. And then again she stops crying, and she's like,
and I told the police that I didn't think you
actually intended to cause me bodily harm, but that you
do have road rage.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
We've covered a lot of ground in just like three
four minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Here, oh thirty seconds. Probably it's wild. She says, I've
contacted immigration, never come back to Canada again, and then
told her kids, you know that her dad's uh, that
their dad is a manted a manted wan who she

(01:52:23):
tells the kids that their dad is a wanted man
in Canada and just uses that as a thing. I guess.
So Michael is staying with friends in the US, and
his friend, who seems like a little bit of a
gossipy ghost, says that he would always be in his

(01:52:44):
room talking to Christine and trying to talk to the boy,
talk to the boys, but Christine would be very withholding
of the relationship with the kids. That's one thing that
Michael said was like super scary is that Christine's like,
I'll take the boys from you, and she she was
pretty excessed. She was pretty successful at doing that while
they were under her control. But Jacob's out from under

(01:53:06):
her thumb. Nown is like, bitch, where's my money? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:53:09):
He lives with his dad.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
Yeah, And He's like, where's my money? Oh? Well he
should I'm the genius. You didn't teach me shit, Okay.
So they said that they would hear them fighting, and
they would hear I guess he was on speakerphone Christine

(01:53:34):
screaming at Michael. So the legal expert that we've been
hearing from, miss carass what was her first name? I
just Carass written, Yeah. The legal expert Beth Yeah. Uh.
The legal expert Beth Carass says it seems Christine wanted

(01:53:56):
to be in Canada with the boys and have Michael
in the US. Maybe because Christina had wanted Michael. Did
that make I don't know if that made sense. I'm
gonna say that again. Maybe because Christine had want Christina did. Yeah,
I'm not saying, Okay. Maybe because Christine wanted Michael to

(01:54:20):
be the sole parent responsible for Natalia, who is there
dependent potentially for life if they can't kill her or
successfully abandon her, and if something were to happen, she
could claim ignorance because she was in Canada. And it's
actually recorded on a call or email or something, her

(01:54:41):
asking Michael to be Natalia's trustee.

Speaker 4 (01:54:44):
She's like, h here, you.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
You do handle this, handle this. I think you can
do this.

Speaker 1 (01:54:53):
So we hear from Nicole to Paul, who was the
Nicole was one of two parents, the Depauls, who also
they were prospective.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Always want me to laugh, I'm doing you today.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
Yeah, thank you. It's they were. The Depauls were prospective
adoptee parents and they also and they also had diastrophic dysplasia.
So they understood Natalia's needs and like wanted to adopt

(01:55:36):
her and love her and take care of her. But
then Natalia's first adoptive parents, the Checkons, took that adoption
off the table when the Checkones got child Protective Services
called on them, and they thought that it was the
DePaul's and I think it might have been, but I

(01:55:57):
don't know for sure. So they're like, oh, we're mistreating her,
but if you're gonna call protective services on us, then
you don't get to adopt her. And then they gave
her to the Barnett's.

Speaker 5 (01:56:11):
Ah, how different.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
Where are these motherfuckers by the way, Yeah, they yeah,
because that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
Is you can't make a child's well being about your
fucking ego, Like what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:56:26):
But yet, as the case we've covered the rest of
the week would tell us, you can do exactly that.
Sometimes can You can't if you're.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
The terrible person. Yeah, And we hear from Nicole de
Paul saying that she has pictures of Natalia in her
old apartment, like I guess she had gone to visit
her with bruises on her face and like what looks
like a cut on the bridge of her nose and
just like some chopped haircut that looks like Michael or

(01:57:01):
Natalia herself had done it, just so sad Jackie Starbuck.
Natalia's defense.

Speaker 5 (01:57:13):
Is prosecutor.

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
She's the prosecutor. Yeah, trying, Yeah there. Their main points
at trial are that as a as a dependent, Natalia
was in a second floor department. She was in a
second floor apartment. They didn't set her up with any doctors,
they didn't set her up with any sort of extra assistance.

(01:57:37):
And Michael had a duty care no duty, okay. And
Michael had a responsibility to care for Natalia, which he
failed to do when he abandoned her in Lafayette, endangering

(01:57:58):
her health and life.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
Yep, and that sums it up.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
Natalia remembers that her power was shut off in the
middle of the summer and the food went bad in
the fridge and she couldn't go grocery shopping. She said
she was really scared because she could have died. Where's
this Lafayette, Indiana. I'm guessing they get pretty fucking hot summers,

(01:58:24):
so you're overheating and starving and you're.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
Not money because she's nine.

Speaker 4 (01:58:35):
Oh burn the Barnetts. So what.

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
We see a text exchange super cute between Michael and
Christine on July sixteenth of twenty thirteen. Michael says, you
never gave me the electricity info. She's been without power
for three days. Christine says she's twenty four. She can
fix her own ace. He says a fan is not

(01:59:03):
an ac system. And then in another text, he says,
we are going to give her cell phone back because
apparently they took that at some point so that she
had no contact at all with anybody, any possibility of
any contact with the outside world.

Speaker 3 (01:59:20):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
And then when they did give it back, they wiped
the ring information of people that could help her. Yep,
it looks like Christine was trying to set up Michael
to take the fall. And then the documentary tries to

(01:59:48):
be like, but Michael went grocery shopping for Natalia and
got her power turned back on. Oh did he? Oh
yay for Michael. Who the fuck cares? That's the minimum?
You want a gold star for that shit?

Speaker 3 (02:00:07):
You fuck in the apartment, she shouldn't have been having
to live in anyway because she was nine.

Speaker 1 (02:00:13):
Let's be clear one more time, a nine year old
with disabilities so that you can put that little stick
fucking a pig.

Speaker 5 (02:00:23):
It's still a pig.

Speaker 1 (02:00:25):
Just saying.

Speaker 4 (02:00:29):
Sayings are weird.

Speaker 1 (02:00:31):
Okay. So an investigation was launched in twenty thirteen into
who Toalia was, where she came from, how she got
to the US and into an apartment in Indiana living
by herself, because the Adult Learning center had called authorities

(02:00:54):
being like, we have a quote adult here who is
definitely a child, and it's really weird. You guys should
probably do something. So this is sad as shit, Natalia had.
Natalia had written a statement at the adult Learning center

(02:01:19):
which was basically a little biographical sketch that she gave
to the police in September of twenty thirteen. Okay, take
a wrath. She states that she was in an orphanage
and got a shot that made her pass out, and
when she woke up, she was in a baby orphanage

(02:01:39):
and saw a guy putting a towel in her face
or something. She's like reading this from this letter that's
written by a nine year old, and she's like getting
emotional and she's like, I don't even remember writing this,
which is a very normal trauma response to like blockout memories.

(02:02:00):
She said, the Man's let me be the kid that
I needed to be, the childhood that I needed to have,
and they showed me what parents are supposed to be
like and taught me what love is. And we see
her going to get adopted by the Man's and she's
super excited, like I said she had been. This is

(02:02:26):
her third adoption, and she was like, and hopefully my
final one. And I actually I only have speculations, so
I don't know. I won't say anything else. But she
went from being born Natasha Gava to being adopted by

(02:02:47):
the Chickoons and being named Natalia Checkone and then becoming
Natalia Grace Barnett, so she got Grace from the bars, okay,
and now she's just Natalia Man's so that's her fourth name.

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
At Wow twenty two, twenty three.

Speaker 1 (02:03:22):
So we meet Natalia's mom on a graves and she
says that she would like Natalia to be with her
in Ukraine even though it's been a super long time.
And then we go to Natalia and she says that
you know, I understand, She said, I get that, but

(02:03:47):
she only gave birth to me, like she's don't know
her like she gave me away pretty much the day
that she gave birth, So like, I don't know that woman,
and the mans have raised to me, so those are
my parents. And then she says that she thinks, and
then she says that she remembers things from the orphanage

(02:04:10):
being not great, which is the.

Speaker 4 (02:04:14):
Understatement of.

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
The long time. She says that there are scary memories
that she tries to avoid thinking of. They didn't yeah,
are you okay? You just have to cough?

Speaker 3 (02:04:32):
Yeah, I just didn't want to do it loud in
yours and everyone else's ear.

Speaker 1 (02:04:40):
Thank you? So this women, I don't actually I don't
know who. I don't know who said this act exactly.

(02:05:00):
Somebody says that at the orphanage they didn't have enough staff,
so they would use really strange and frightening mechanisms of
fear to control the children. Natalia accounts. Natalia accounts a
time that all the kids were like in the playroom

(02:05:25):
and everybody heard really loud stomping, and all the kids
got up and ran to ran to bed, and Natalia
couldn't move that fast, so she went and hid behind
a couch. She says that she saw a guy with

(02:05:46):
a big black coat with a big black cloak and
a scary green mask, and she remembers hearing stomping coming
towards her and this figure just putting their head around
the corner of the couch and staring at her, and

(02:06:07):
she said that she was just absolutely fucking terrified. She's
in the orphanage, so she's got to be firelaying. Yeah
maybe yeah, maybe four five at most, yeah, fuck me, yeah,
so yeah. Then she remembers another time where someone covered

(02:06:31):
her face with something and she blacked out. When she
woke up, she was being carried into what looked like
a big apartment building and then into some fucking janky
ass like doctor's office and getting a shot, and then
she blacked out again and woke up on the couch

(02:06:52):
in the orphanage, and she says that the man who
was carrying her was basically just like an invisible figure
in a white T shirt. Like that's all she could remember. Yikes,
And like Sophia said, because why not that too, right? Exactly?

(02:07:13):
Why not? It's it's already the worst. Let's let's kick.

Speaker 4 (02:07:18):
That ten up two and eleven.

Speaker 1 (02:07:21):
So they show her a picture and they're like, do
you remember this guy? And she is visibly shook and speechless,
and she says, I know something happened, but I can't
remember what and that's really scary and frustrating. And oh right.

(02:07:51):
The picture is of her getting her diaper changed by
this old ass man. You don't see his face, it's
blurred out, but he is old as shit, definitely getting
her diaper changed. She's maybe two three. Okay, this, there's

(02:08:12):
no that's that to sorry the end, We're done. There's
there's nothing, there's no good ever, Well, it does, actually
I kind of already said it.

Speaker 4 (02:08:20):
It does end with her getting adopted.

Speaker 1 (02:08:24):
By the man's and she's excited for that.

Speaker 3 (02:08:26):
So it's a little upswing. I guess yay.

Speaker 1 (02:08:32):
I'm I'm like literally trying to muster, like I can't.

Speaker 3 (02:08:38):
I just hope you know how much we love you
all that were taking this one for the team.

Speaker 4 (02:08:44):
No, you guys, I'm not even kidding.

Speaker 1 (02:08:46):
It is it is because I have been covering I've
been following both of these cases for a long time,
and I've been super excited that documentaries came out where
they got to speak their truths. Unfortunately, their truths are
like some of the biggest fucking bummers I've ever heard

(02:09:07):
in my life. And I support these women so much
and I want all of the best for them, and
I want to stop talking about their stories. But like
I said, not everybody has fucking lifetime, not everybody has
Max or ID or whatever. And I know that it's
expensive to have all of the fucking streaming services. You
can't have net or if you can, awesome, But what Netflix, Hulu, Max,

(02:09:33):
Max paramount for. We had to get Filo for this for,
which is another version of cable saying yeah, uh, Disney,
you know so much, get so much, but I want
to I want to talk about some stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:09:51):
It's like a little bit more chill after this.

Speaker 3 (02:09:54):
Yeah, you know, I got some chill just generally spooky
stuff to tell you about in the next couple of weeks.
I say, not about this, and it's just like random
mystery stuff and I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (02:10:10):
Fantom, Well, I'm gonna take your excitement back down. Phantom
shadow songs that I think she had blocked out so
many memories of Ukraine, and the filmmakers who made her
remember that stuff while being filmed traumatized her again. Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (02:10:27):
Was about to say the thing that I think bothers
Me about this one is I think they were very
irresponsibly filmmaking for reactions, Like can you imagine if part
of the film was a part of Gypsy's documentary was
to be like, we're gonna take you to your mom's
old house in Missouri, the Pink House, and we're gonna

(02:10:48):
have you tell us about her murder while standing in
her bedroom.

Speaker 4 (02:10:52):
Yeah, we're just gonna have you hold a knife to
see what it feels like.

Speaker 3 (02:10:55):
We're just to see what it's like. We're gonna show
you photos we took during your feeding tube surgery and
see if you react to them like that's what it
would have been, like, it's just disgusting. No, they did it,
and you know, exploitative. Get out of here.

Speaker 1 (02:11:13):
I watched The Garden Cult or Commune and it was
one hundred percent a reality show that they fucking told
the Commune was going to be about showing how they
live sustainably, and then they made it a fucking like
reality show about end times and called it had the

(02:11:33):
fucking audacity to call it a documentary and have actually
really been going back and forth with a couple of
the girls trying to talk with them. Also crazy. They're
on NDAs and can't say shit, and but have alluded
to the fact that they were done very dirty. And

(02:11:55):
I really think that we should all fucking boycott ID
after this. I think that it's a garbage ass, fucking
channel that takes people's stories and makes them extra bit
dramatic when they don't need that.

Speaker 3 (02:12:12):
I agree, you know what, I'm like, ready to go
like my own children today.

Speaker 1 (02:12:18):
Okay, okay, well we will well let we'll let you
hug your kids, and we'll let the uh, we'll let
the listeners get on with their days and our viewers
here on YouTube maybe go watch something funny after this.
I've been watching a shit ton of Chad Chad. I've

(02:12:43):
never like been a fan of a YouTuber and I'm like,
this chick's awesome. She talks about what's happening on TikTok,
so I don't have to go to TikTok and see it,
but I get to find out how it's the end
of society and it's pretty cool. It's it is about
how the world's ending, but it's really funny and entertaining.

Speaker 3 (02:13:04):
So my favorite YouTube channel is besides ours, is called
a nerd forge and they are a couple who is
in shoot. Where are they in? Oh, they're in Norway
and they make like all kinds of cool stuff, Like
they have like a whole shop and they've gotten bigger

(02:13:24):
and bigger, so they have like they make like cool
dioramas of like fantasy scenes and leather suits, armor and
books and it's really fun and super relaxing. So I
love it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:35):
Go go check out nerd Forge or chad Chat or
you know, check out the podcast.

Speaker 4 (02:13:41):
We have a lot of stuff on there that is
not this heavy.

Speaker 1 (02:13:45):
Yes, and if you're listening on the podcast, keep doing that.
Thank you, you guys. Check out the website TSF thepodcast
dot com you can find all of the place is
to subscribe to us, not only on listening platforms, but
social media where you can get updates and more dates,

(02:14:11):
just like a lot of updates dates Like no, we
are we are upping our social media game and we're
gonna do like memes and questions. I know that doesn't
sound that exciting, but it's gonna be cool, you guys,
and video clips of us from episodes.

Speaker 3 (02:14:32):
Yeah, it's gonna be wild.

Speaker 1 (02:14:34):
It's it's going down, you guys. Ashley is she's using
social media this year, so watch out. Let's do it.
I might learn some things. All right, guys, we're off
Zeus the moose, and who's your hornicorn? Hornicorn?

Speaker 3 (02:14:55):
My son named him Sparkle Everywhere, So this is Sparkle Everywhere,
my son's unicorn and Zeus.

Speaker 1 (02:15:02):
These my homies. Me, baby Investment. Say goodbye you guys.
Hug a stuffy or your kid or whatever, an animal,
your dog, just yourself if that's all you got, baby.
Your inner child needs love, okay, love that love, Love

(02:15:24):
that child that sounds weird. Love your inner child. Let
me be specific. Bye bye, up job so fucked up.
It's just

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