August 7, 2024 • 49 mins
Have you ever wondered how professionals like Steph Curry and the Manning family achieve greatness?
Unlock the secrets of mental toughness and resilience as we sit down with Dr. Rob Bell, a renowned sports psychology coach.
Imagine experiencing a life-altering fall that completely redirects your career path from athletics to psychology. Dr. Rob takes us through this pivotal moment and shares his philosophy that mental toughness is "caught" rather than taught.
You'll learn how to adopt an athletic mindset in your daily life, whether you're a stay-at-home parent or a tech entrepreneur, and how the principles of preparation, handling losses, and competition can be universally applied.
Dr. Rob and I discuss the importance of mastering the fundamentals through small, consistent efforts. We emphasize the power of taking full responsibility for your effort and attitude and the significance of structured daily routines to eliminate time-wasters. From ultra-marathon training to overcoming life's hurdles, we delve into the crucial balance between urgency and patience and how your relationship with time directly impacts your stress levels and experiences.
Lastly, we explore the transformative power of "hinge moments"—those critical events that shape our lives. Dr. Rob shares compelling stories of individuals who turned personal tragedies into remarkable achievements, illustrating the profound impact of resilience.
Tune in for an engaging conversation filled with actionable insights that can help you become mentally tougher and more resilient personally and professionally.
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Dai Manuel (00:08):
Welcome back to another episode of the 2%
Solution podcast with your hostDiamond.
Well, that's me.
Today, we have a trulyexceptional guest joining us, dr
Rob Bell.
He's not just any sportspsychology coach.
He's a mentor to athletes ofall kinds, from corporate
executives to professionalchampions.
(00:28):
Dr Rob's passion for mentaltoughness and resilience has not
only shaped his career, but hasalso impacted countless lives.
With eight yes, I said eightbooks under his belt, including
the latest, I Can't Wait to BePatient.
Dr Rob is here to share hisinvaluable insights on patience,
(00:49):
the power of time and what ittruly means to be mentally tough
I mean we hear that expressionall the time.
But what really mean?
Stay tuned as we dive intolife-changing moments and
stories that inspire you to findyour own 2% solution.
And with that let's get to theinterview.
(01:11):
Welcome back to the 2% SolutionPodcast.
I'm Diamond.
While you're hosting today, I'msuper stoked.
We get to talk to an amazingindividual, but also he's got
some really cool philosophiesaround human performance, life,
athleticism, ah, just evenaround time and time, concept of
time and how we relate to timeand uh.
(01:32):
So I want to welcome to theshow dr rob bell yeah, thanks
time.
Dr. Rob Bell (01:36):
I appreciate it put on a great show, two percent
, so it's great man well, thankyou and listen it.
Dai Manuel (01:43):
Listen, it's all about those small incremental
steps and I know you totally getthat.
You talk about the compoundingeffect, you talk about the power
of this, micro commitments, butbeing consistent and frequent
enough to see the changesthrough, and I know that's a big
part of how you support peopleprofessionally, personally and
everything in between.
And so I was wondering, Ithought the best place to begin,
because I know you do a lotaround sports psychology and I'm
(02:06):
really curious, you know, canyou give us a quick overview of
your journey to why to choose tospecialize in that of all
things?
Dr. Rob Bell (02:14):
Sure man, I say, like mental toughness, it's not
always taught, but it is caught.
And even going down the fieldof sports psychology I was.
I mean, sports was my entirelife and I got to school and
college and I kind of got off onthe wrong path.
I was going down the wrong pathand when you get down the wrong
path you stay on it until youcan find another path.
(02:36):
Well, what had happened was ahinge moment and I'd fallen off
an 80-foot cliff.
It was laying at the bottom ofthis crevasse, had a crammy up
out of it, fractured back,broken arm, gaping head wound,
but you know I was alive man.
So it's like, but boom, hingemoment because baseball was then
no longer going to be part ofthe equation in my life and it
(02:58):
was that that the next semester,still in a lot of pain
physically and mentally.
But I took the first psychologyclass I ever had in my life and
it was tattooed in my heart thatthis is what I want to do with
my life, man.
It's just working with athletes, coaches and teams on the
mental game and sportspsychology, because I was the
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athlete that always thought waytoo much right.
I was stuck inside my head andI was the athlete that coaches
hated because I was an all ornothing Like.
I was stuck inside my head andI was the.
I was the athlete that coacheshated because I was an all or
nothing athlete.
I was either the best, likethings were great, or I was the
worst.
There was no in between, andwhen I took that class, that's
when the journey started andthat's what I mean it was caught
.
You know, I didn't really pickit.
Uh, it kind of picked me and Ifelt a blessing in that regards
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that.
That's, that's the path I wasgoing to do.
Dai Manuel (03:46):
I love it.
I love it.
Well, I guess it just probablyleads into a little bit of the
conversation, cause I knowthere's a lot to unpack there,
cause obviously that that was avery pivotal.
I love how you say it's a hingemoment.
I love that it's a.
I just love that that the ideaof that that engine cause it's
still attached right where pivotsometimes incorporates a very
different concept when you sortof follow it through.
(04:07):
So I really appreciate that.
Dr. Rob Bell (04:10):
Yeah, every door has a hinge Ty.
You know a door without a hingeis a wall man.
It just doesn't work.
Dai Manuel (04:16):
Unless you want to crash right through it, right,
but that's another thingentirely.
Well, let's talk about this,because I think this sort of
plays.
You sort of alluded to thismental toughness piece, not only
your own mental toughness, butnow also how you support others
in this area of sportspsychology and life psychology,
and I know you refer to everyoneas an athlete.
So can you talk about that?
(04:38):
Because I love this.
I think it's just such a coolphilosophy and such a neat
concept, and I'd love for theaudience to really get a feel
for yeah, absolutely man.
Dr. Rob Bell (04:47):
But like a long time.
You know, if I'd be presentingto executives working with them,
they would automatically justcome up front say, well, I'm not
an athlete and you know, andI'm sure that.
And then it made me just thinkI was like, yeah, you are an
athlete, you know, and that'swhat I believe.
I believe everyone's an athlete.
Your office is just different.
Because what does it mean to bean athlete?
And as an athlete, we allprepare way more than we play.
(05:10):
And if you put more preparationinto your actual performance,
then you're going to be anathlete.
In life we're going to havemore losses than we do wins,
right, we're going to have moreof these incremental losses just
to get to that win.
So I think if we have morelosses than wins, then you're
going to be an athlete.
And then the one main reasonwhy I think everyone's an
(05:31):
athlete or office is justdifferent, is because we compete
.
And when we compete, sometimesyou might think about an
opponent, but there's a way moredifficult opponent.
You and I both know this, right.
This opponent knows ourstrengths and our weaknesses,
knows our hurts, hangups andheadaches, knows everything
about us.
So try to beat somebody in aone-on-one basketball if they
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already know what you're goingto do.
And that's who we're competingagainst is our own mind, and in
our own mind, the reason whywe're all competing against is
because it just tries to keep ussafe.
That's it.
It does a remarkable job at it.
Right?
Just stay safe.
So anytime that we getuncomfortable whether it's going
to be in a personal situationor relationship, working out,
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training, whatever it is it justwants to stay safe.
That's who you're competingagainst and you got those three
components like in your lifewhere you have to perform at any
level then you're going to bean athlete, it's just.
Your office is going to be alittle bit different, and that's
the way I look at it.
Dai Manuel (06:32):
And so when you say office, you're referring to just
what you do in life.
Dr. Rob Bell (06:37):
Is that what your office looks like?
I mean, when I get to work withPGA Tour pros, I'm out there on
the PGA Tour Boy.
Let with pj tour pros, I'm outthere on the pj tour boy.
Let me tell you that is a greatoffice, because that is that is
, pristine golf courses,beautiful areas in life.
So it's like what you want youroffice to look like.
So if I'm working with the swimteam or working with swimmers,
then I'm there at the natatoriumuh, basketball team, it's going
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to be, you know, gymnasium, butyou know, a lot of the times I
mean, this might be the office,might be a cubicle that we're at
, but it's like you get todefine what your mental space
kind of looks like.
And that's what I mean in termsof what your actual office is.
And that's what I'm alwaysencouraging people, whatever
field you're going to be goinginto, pick your office.
And you got to know what youroffice wants to look like.
(07:19):
Because, yeah, man, you want tobe on the beach, being able to
make money right, residualincome.
I'm like that's a great, that'sa great office, and so that's
why I kind of look at that manin terms of what your office
looks like.
Dai Manuel (07:35):
So how would this differ, say, for a stay-at-home
dad, right, yep, right, yep,versus, maybe that I don't know
like a founder of a tech companyRight To you know that?
Like, I mean non typical whatwe think of an athlete, right,
(07:56):
and I'm curious like what?
Where is the parallel there?
How are you inviting them tolook at themselves as athletes?
Because I can imagine howpeople would say listen, I'm not
an athlete.
I get that, I've heard peoplereference that, but I think
athletes are often made right.
I mean, there's a mental pieceI'm sure you can speak to.
What's the DNA of a competitiveathlete, especially if you're
(08:19):
talking about people on the PGATour.
I mean there's a certain amountof work and effort and
commitment that's gone intogetting to that level.
But I I love for you to justsort of describe, I mean, how
can we see ourselves as athletes, no matter the office that
we're in?
Like?
Do you know what I mean likethat, that stay-at-home dad,
because I I'm connected to a lotof dads in those groups right
now I hear that all the time,right, but they'll slowly, and
(08:41):
once you prod them enough, right?
it's amazing that they'll pointfingers at everything outside of
themselves besides themselves.
Right Like that.
That radical accountabilitypiece, yeah, I live, you know so
please go ahead, go ahead.
Dr. Rob Bell (08:52):
I think that's that's probably like the key to
me with great athletes that'swhat I see, man is they take
full responsibility for their.
You know, sometimes theirresults are out of our control,
but they take fullresponsibility for their effort,
their attitude toward whatthey're approaching to.
I think another aspect is isare they willing to get better?
Do they want to get better?
And you just have to have thewillingness.
Willingness is key, like I justdon't like exactly where I'm at
(09:15):
and I'm willing to do thethings I don't want to do, or I
know where it is that I want togo and I want to do these things
just a little bit better.
That's the component.
So, if it's going to be astay-at-home dad, I remember man
, when I had my kids and I chosethat.
I mean there were specific daysthat I would stay with them,
(09:36):
and man especially like it justkind of varies in terms of like
where they are in the stage oflife, like when you become a dad
, like the days are long but theyears go by fast.
I would have the workouts withthem.
I was looking back just theother day when COVID was there
this was when shutdown happenedand I'm looking at these videos
(09:58):
and it pops up on the screen.
It's just exactly four yearsago.
They were out there running, wewere doing workouts.
I look back on it and then Igot to show my daughter, who's
now a freshman.
I'm like, hey, remember these.
She's like, yeah, I rememberthat.
I hated going through it at thetime.
But it's just, man, where in mylife do I want to get better?
I think that's the part wherewe have to start at, and I think
(10:22):
, man, it might be inrelationships, it might be in my
own personal journey and I wantto get better at this.
Man.
It might be an addiction, right, it might be something, man, I
want to stop doing.
But we all have these areasthat we can improve upon, and
that's where I think we justhave to start with.
You've got to take an athleticmindset towards improvement,
(10:44):
because if you ease into it, twoweeks later, man, you're done
already, and there's no easinginto a street fight.
You don't ease in anything.
If you want to, you have to beurgent towards improvement,
piece Now, you have to bepatient with the results, but
you got to be urgent towards theconsistency and getting better
(11:05):
at it.
And that's, man.
There's so many avenues.
We can go down with that, butthat's the part I look at.
That's how you got to look atthe improvement piece.
Dai Manuel (11:13):
Yeah, I think that's beautiful and also it's
empowering at the same time,because I find it it's a simple
answer to a complicatedapplication right or
implementation.
Simple answer, a complicatedapplication right or
implementation, because I I tendto see and I'm sure you see
this too, but I mean, obviouslyit's different for those that
are competitive athletes in aprofessional league, uh,
(11:33):
whatever level, I mean, they putthe reps in, so to speak, you
know.
And but for us that maybe don'thave that kind of athletic
background, or at least that,that prescribed background that
we get from a lifelongcommitment to a sport, what,
what's the best way to getstarted to adapt to that kind of
an?
Dr. Rob Bell (11:50):
out here you know, yeah, no, this great question,
man.
Um, I always get back to thisthe fundamentals never change.
Improve the fundamentals, youwill see.
I mean, let's just look atsteph curry with steph curry
just doesn't show up game daygoing through his dialed in
routine and make all these shots.
He does 500 shots a day andthat's every day.
(12:13):
And that's the fundamentals.
If you ever watched the book ofManny, you know on, you know
Peyton and Eli and then thepatriarch there with Archie,
they had entire practices wherethey would look at just their
plant foot when they would takethe snap, go back and plant
their foot.
I mean, do you know how manytimes they've done that every
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season on how we tie our shoes?
Because there is a, there isfundamentals that we do every
single day in terms of how weget up, how we approach the day,
our attitude, our effort, howwe're um connecting with others.
That we can always improve upon.
And I always say you just got tostart with the fundamentals,
man.
Start with the fundamentals ofone to get better.
Look at your routine, look atyour daily schedule, look at the
time wasters that you have,look at the relationships that
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are going on in life, look atyour overall joy and happiness.
And where can I fundamentallyjust get better at that?
That's the part that I look at.
Man, we got to start.
You don't have to go crazy.
I think consistency beats crazyall the time.
Dai Manuel (13:27):
I love it.
I mean, I'm like man.
I'm just thinking of all thesequote graphics I'm going to make
because I'm tired.
Dr. Rob Bell (13:32):
Oh yeah.
Dai Manuel (13:34):
It's like a waterfall of these, but I love
it.
I love the quotables becauseit's often those little snippets
are the things that in thosemoments when we're feeling low,
it's just enough to give us thatperspective shift of a small
like an incremental change right, just to see things a little
bit differently, to go from.
You know that seems really hardto you know what I think I can
and I'm going to try right and Ithink that's just wild, it's
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wild.
Dr. Rob Bell (13:57):
You have to have, and we always get away from it
right.
It's like you know, rome wasn'tbuilt in a day, but it wasn't
destroyed in a day either.
You know it's always a slowfade, but I think you have to
have a philosophy for life onhow you want to approach things.
What's, what are the valuesthat you hold dear?
And just start with that,because the philosophy sometimes
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and that's the part about beingable to look at other people
are what said that die doesright, like, what are his core
values?
How does he approach this?
And you don't have to tap intoother people's why.
You just got to look at theirhow and you just have to know
what your why is.
And that's where I look at man.
Having a philosophy of life,how you want to approach it is
(14:39):
huge.
Dai Manuel (14:41):
So what's your core values then?
Since we're on that topic, I'dlove to know what yours are, Dr
Rob.
Dr. Rob Bell (14:46):
Yeah, I mean, you know we share this a lot with,
especially with the family.
When we're talking about it, Acouple of the core values we
talk about, our most importantrelationships, are inside our
four walls.
Our relationships have to bestrong.
Things are off.
We need to talk about it,whether it's me apologize and
(15:07):
you apologize and we got to.
They have to be the strongest,because it's really tough to
have good relationships outsidethe four walls when the
relationships inside the fourwalls are all and I'm buddy, I'm
guilty of it, you know what Imean.
I've neglected therelationships.
I get off on these obsessivejourneys that take me down
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rolling paths, man, and it'svery easy to see.
Yeah, I was being selfish andself-centered there when I was
really focused on writing thisbook or whatever that's going to
be speaking engagements, and soI think that's a big one.
The other one that we alwaysget back to is you.
You just don't quit.
You simply don't quit, and thatmeans we're trusting the
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process of time that you aregoing to have adversity, You're
going to have setbacks, You'regoing to have major lows, and
you know this, man, beingbusiness owners, man, I mean
there are major lows that you gothrough, no-transcript.
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We don't always know when it'sgoing to pay you back, but it
will pay you back if you stay inthe game.
Those are probably the two man.
And then the third componentand this is where we always got
to go through is God, man andspirituality, and that has to be
the core, fundamentals of wherewe are, our relationships, our
relationship with God and for usman, it's Christ, Because if
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Rob's doing it all or we'redoing it all, I'm going to mess
it up.
Man, I cannot do that and Ibelieve there's a God and I just
know that I'm not it.
Dai Manuel (17:01):
So insightful but also profound.
There's a couple of piecesthere.
You just reminded me I thinkit's a Nietzsche quote.
It says with a strong enoughwhy we can endure anyhow, and it
is.
There's something to thattestament of really knowing your
values and the non-negotiablesand how enlightening that can be
to the path that we're tryingto trailblaze a lot of the time,
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because it's not like we haveother people we that are going
to walk in the exact same path,because it's it's uniquely our
own right and also that thatfaith is also one of my five f's
values.
you know family as well.
So I, I, we, I I relate verymuch to what you're sharing and
I know when we start talkingabout adapting or implementing
some of these philosophies,these ideas that you've come to
(17:44):
know based on life experience,right and schooling and whatnot.
And I guess this is a greatsort of segue because it
involves time.
You know it all takes time,effort, energy.
It's not like things happeninstantly, and if you're looking
for the instant gratification,the one click buy well, there's
Amazon for you, right?
(18:05):
It's amazing how our culture isjust so conditioned to want
things immediately, with aslittle effort as possible, and
we all often know that thingsworth working for doesn't
usually come that easy.
And so your new book.
Could you sort of just talk abit about that?
I can't wait to be patientbecause I think it's just a
great read but very insightful,and so maybe we can sort of
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segue.
Why this book?
Why did you write it?
Dr. Rob Bell (18:32):
So I had experiences in some races and
then specifically in preparation.
Do you want me to tell a quickstory?
Dai Manuel (18:39):
Yeah, please, I would love that.
That's so, so great yes.
Dr. Rob Bell (18:42):
So I had a hundred mile trail race that I was
doing, and you know we prepareway more than we train.
So this was I had 16 differenttraining runs over a marathon
distance, just on trail, youknow.
Well, I mean.
And then one run in particular.
I had about eight miles leftand I'd never listen to anything
when I'm out there.
I never listened to any music,no podcast.
(19:03):
I'm there with my breathing andmy thoughts.
Well, there's a lot ofthinkings if you're going to be
out there six, eight hours at atime.
You know, and that's again alittle bit, I'm a little bit off
.
I get it.
You know that's that's fun, yougot it.
You gotta be a little bit off.
Dai Manuel (19:17):
All the crazy ones are awesome.
That's the way I look at it.
We're all a little crazy, man.
Well, continue continue.
Dr. Rob Bell (19:23):
So I had eight miles left of this training run
and it was hot, it was humid, Iwas tired, I mean the and I just
wanted to be done.
And I remember thinking I can'twait till I'm done.
And it kind of grabbed me atthat time and I was like you
know, no one ever says what wesay we can't wait for, right.
(19:46):
Hey, I can't wait for thatepisode to come out, I can't
wait for that birthday party, Ican't wait for next season, says
I can't wait to be in a lot offinancial hardship, I can't wait
to be in a lot of pain, I can'twait to really be suffering.
And it grabbed me at thatmoment that I needed a mind
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shift because that wasn't goingto work.
And that is not true.
Time is hinged there.
We go on a door that swingsboth ways.
None of us get to speed up timewhen things are bad and none of
us get to slow down time whenthings are really great.
No matter how wonderful thatsteak dinner is, this too shall
pass.
No matter how great thatmountaintop moment, that
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championship was, that bid thatyou got, the payday that you
received, this too shall pass.
No one lives up on themountaintops, man, you got to
come back down and again, thistoo shall pass.
No one's ever telling somebodyat a birthday party or a wedding
ceremony hey, don't worry, thistoo shall pass.
Right, that would be.
(20:51):
You get kicked out of birthdayparties for that stuff.
But it's true, man, time is themost important resource that we
have, and time is what we wantthe most, but it's what we use
the worst.
The more money we get in life,we spend it to get more time,
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and so that's where I look at.
It's the most precious resource.
And, like I said earlier, man,the days are long but the years
are fast.
So we have this supply-demandtheory.
When it comes to time, when weare young, we have all the
supply in the world.
We have an endless supply oftime and very little demand.
Why does time become sovaluable as we progress in life?
(21:33):
Because now the supply we seethe supply is now actually
limited.
There's a finite amount, andthe demand has now increased.
Well, hence our time becomes somuch more valued.
So if we say yes to everything,we're putting a value on our
time, and that was the piece ofwhere we needed to look at the
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mental gate, the mentaltoughness that we have all our
issues, all our stressors.
I'm not saying time is theultimate end-all, be-all, but
what it is is it should be thefirst entryway that we look at
for our issues, for ourstressors.
I get stressed out, just likeeverybody.
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I get overwhelmed, I'll getanxious and when I really peel
back and look at it, I justdidn't process this situation
well.
I needed more time to thinkabout it.
I needed time to pause andreflect.
When do I make mistakes?
When I react and don't respond?
Because it was so immediate, itwas so urgent that I just
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didn't pause, reflect, thinkabout it, pray about it, go for
a run.
I'm just going to sit on thatfor a minute.
The reason why this book becameso difficult to write, man, was
because there is times to beurgent.
Like we said at the beginning,you've got to approach your
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craft, things that are important, with a sense of urgency,
because if you don't push backtowards the things you believe
in, you're going to be pushedout.
However, there has to also bethis level of patience.
So when I look at patience andtime, think about it.
It's the recovery of the mind.
(23:22):
When does the muscle reallygrow?
And you know this man, themuscle doesn't grow during the
workout, it grows during therecovery piece, right.
So urgency is the workout, butthe recovery is the patience
that we need to allow that.
So it's like the day that theseed is planted is not the day
that it's harvested.
There's so many differentavenues we can go through, man,
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so many different take-homes.
But that was the essence of thebook, man is we got to approach
our times through the firstentryway and that is through
time.
Dai Manuel (23:54):
I just think it's amazing, because I'm a big
proponent for this.
I know there's a book calledthe Big Leap, and he talks about
Einstein, time, and this ideaof just our relationship with
time is often very I mean, it'svery subjective, even though
it's something that we canobjectify, you know, and even I
just read Tim Grover's bookWinning, you know, and he talks
(24:17):
about the power of just stopping.
And then also in a men's healthbook called the gosh what is it
, david Dida?
The Way of the Superior man hetalks about there comes a phase
in men's life where they'reencouraged to just take a pause.
Take a pause, you know.
So I really love how youapproach this especially.
Dr. Rob Bell (24:35):
Why do coaches use timeouts?
You know they use timeoutsbecause we need to pause.
Man, it's the end of the sport.
You know?
Sorry for the tangent brother.
No, no, me fired up, man.
Dai Manuel (24:46):
I love this and I guess, like I recognize in your
book, you really provide someinsightful examples, also some
great stories.
But what can people expect ifthey pick up this book, they
read it?
What do you feel is the mainthing that you were really
looking to support people withby writing the book?
Because I always know, as anauthor myself, there's always
(25:08):
that intention.
It's like I mean, of course,we're writing it for ourselves
first and foremost, right,because we feel it's that story
we have to tell, but there'salways that intention to support
and create impact in others'lives, right.
And so I'd love to hear sort ofthat approach, but also what
people can expect when they pickit up, because I know there's
nothing but value bomb aftervalue bomb, you know.
Dr. Rob Bell (25:30):
Yeah, absolutely man, and I look forward to
having you on my podcast, manTalk, couple of pieces that I
think are really important.
One like patience, and what ispatience and what does it really
mean?
You know, why is that important?
Because there's just you knowit's such a strength, man, uh.
But there are more componentsthat go into just the ability to
(25:53):
wait without haste orrestlessness.
You got got to have acceptanceof people and situations.
You have to have a lack ofresentment towards yourself and
other people and you have tohave hope.
These all factors go into whatit means to be patient and I
think the biggest take home, thetwo biggest take homes, if I
could say, people look up thebook and read it, and that is
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the importance of speed.
We're designed to get frompoint A to point B as fast as we
can.
No one puts in their GPS andtakes the slowest route, but
rhythm is more important thanspeed.
It's the ability to changespeeds that really become
important, that becomes powerful, but rhythm is more important
than speed.
Try to tell people, man, hereare the things you got to put
(26:36):
into play on how to incorporaterhythm into your life.
And then the other piece is youhave the important urgencies in
life.
You have to know what isimportant and approach urgency
with that.
Too often we're urgent towardsthe wrong things, man, and we
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get urgent towards the wrongthings like urgency by itself
that we just become a lunaticman Because why didn't they
reply?
What is up with that reply?
I got to send them anothermessage here because they
haven't replied yet, when, if wewould have just waited, we
wouldn't have got caught up inall the drama and cloud and
murky stuff that was going onbecause we were so urgent
(27:24):
towards getting an answer rightaway that we didn't receive and
we didn't have the properboundary set in our daily
schedule.
So it's like to handle the codereds that happen up throughout
the day.
I'm guilty of it too, brother,but I feel a need.
I got to reply to this rightaway because it's something
(27:44):
urgent, but is it important?
And if I really schedule my day, you know what?
That's something that I takecare of from 11 to 12 every day,
man.
What are these code reds thatare going to happen?
And when you do that now, youcan get into flow more often.
Throughout the day, man, youget really ingrained and not get
so distracted and out of therhythm of what you're trying to
(28:06):
do.
So those are a couple of thekey components, man, that I find
to be like hey man, how can Iread this and apply it to my
daily life?
Dai Manuel (28:13):
Yes, and I think that's the one thing I took away
from the book is that there aresome wonderful examples and
resources, you know, for peopleto start to implement this sort
(28:34):
of shift in relationship withhow we look at time to the
concept of patience.
Usually there's parents as kidsright, you know, waiting in a
line to get on a roller coaster.
Listen, you just got to bepatient, you know.
It's like oh hey, I want thecake that you're baking for my
birthday.
I want it now, just be patient,right, like.
So we sort of have thisnegative relationship with the
idea of being patient, you know.
And but for us to develop ahealthier relationship with this
(28:56):
concept and to start to leaninto some of the things that you
speak about, what would be agreat example or an exercise
that you could leave with theaudience today to start to get a
little flavor of Dr Rob andsome of these insights, yes,
good example, man, good exampleso I kind of mentioned one there
that segment your day.
Dr. Rob Bell (29:17):
that I mean.
One number one is just look atthe time that you spend towards
things.
Right, I think we it's the timewasters that.
Look, if time's our mostprecious resource, then why are
we wasting it?
You know what I mean and I getguilty of it too.
Right, but hey, man, if youwant to scroll, just schedule
the time throughout the day.
Man, I'm going to take 30minutes here and just really
scroll, that's my thing.
(29:39):
Fine, but schedule it into theday, because too often we do it
and we get lost.
Man, 15 minutes later I waslaying in bed and why didn't I
just hop out of bed?
I was just looking at whatagain?
And we get so lost in that andthen our mind starts taking over
.
So I look at segment the day,look at the day of when you are
(30:00):
going to schedule just yourreally focused time towards the
task at hand.
What is really important, whatis I'm really working on?
I've got to be in these calls,man.
Be in those calls, because ifyou get distracted in this, if
it's a sales call, sales call isimportant, your bottom line man
.
You get distracted.
In this, you're not as sharp asyou need to be if it's going to
(30:22):
be writing a book, if it's goingto be in the workout, you know,
and that's why I'm a bigproponent of I would say look,
people got to listen to yourpodcast when they're working out
.
I get it, man.
You know your podcast whenthey're working out, I get it,
man.
Your podcast is powerful athelping motivate people.
But I just think too often, man, we got so much stuff that's
going on.
You got to de-stress,decompress, just keep the mind
(30:43):
quiet, man.
People meditate.
I'm not a meditator man, I'm arunner.
I meditate when I run.
I'm out there, I'm justbreathing, praying out there
with my chocolate lab.
That's the best time, but Ithink we have to have these
times throughout the day, man,where everything just gets shut
off, and that's how I think thatwe get in flow, get in the zone
more and ultimately, get moreproductive and efficient.
Dai Manuel (31:06):
I think this is great and actually you just
reminded me there was a questionI wanted to ask you because,
this is all on the same subject,and so our theme and I, with
your, I'd be reg toughness wise,probably the same as your 100
miler, all right, again, it'sall perspective, right, and I'm
(31:40):
not a runner, I'm a sprinter,and so anything over 5K I'm like
.
But I'd love to know, and alsofor those that are listening,
because I think we all have that100 miler or that thing that we
would treat as a hundred milerun for ourselves in life.
You know that, that, right backto that sort of idea that
everybody's a life athlete,right, and and and so what is
(32:01):
your preparation light forsomething like that or for any
of these races that you've done?
I, I'd like to just know what'syour ritual, what's it?
Look, chair.
Dr. Rob Bell (32:10):
But you know, and I can say this too, man, it's
like, uh, if people want, like Igive a resource out on my
websites just drdarkocom they gothere or even go to the book
website.
Do the book, man, and that is Ischedule everything as like a
workout.
And so if it's like, hey, man,you just got to know, like for
Ironman training, like there'sthree different disciplines to
focus on, as you know, you knowwhat I'm saying.
(32:31):
For running, there's onediscipline, but, yeah, you got
(32:54):
to have that strength componentas well, and it's really just
focusing on making things towork out like a workout time
scheduling it workout ends, nomatter how hard the workout is,
(33:19):
it's going to end.
And Steph Curry has a trainingregime that he does every single
day, but it's not like he'sshooting baskets 24 hours a day,
right, he segments his time ofwhen the preparation is and when
the recovery is, and that'sjust the biggest thing that I do
.
And I set the goal and thenjust focus on segmenting when is
going to be the time that I'mscheduling towards that and and
(33:42):
how I'm incorporating that intolike the life.
Um, that's probably the biggestthing, man.
Dai Manuel (33:48):
You know I like it.
Dr. Rob Bell (33:50):
Some of the tough ones are like the, you know, the
David Goggins, like 48 hour,like four by four, by 48.
Dai Manuel (33:56):
Like I've done those Wow.
Dr. Rob Bell (33:59):
And it's just remind ourselves like look, this
weekend will be over.
But what's the lesson that Ican learn when I'm going through
this suffering here and thereason why those are sometimes
more difficult?
Because there's not enough,it's not an ultimate goal.
You know, you're not trainingfor race, you're just training
to train buddy.
I think that's the best part is, when you are just doing
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something for no other sake,then you'd rather not do it like
william james philosophy.
When it comes to that, right,like when you get to the point
where you're doing somethingbecause you simply don't want to
do it.
That's the mental toughest part, right?
Um, but that's how I kind ofprepare for and train.
That is, just make everythingthat's workout.
Mental toughest part right, butthat's how I kind of prepare
for it in training.
Man is just make everythingthat's workout-driven.
So when I would write a book,I'd write for one hour every day
(34:42):
.
I'd have notes with methroughout the day.
But one hour every day, man,and that's how I approach it.
Dai Manuel (34:53):
And it's owning your time, and I guess what I mean
by that is like I, I do live onmy calendar.
My wife and I joke about it attimes and she'll be like, oh
yeah we have this thing.
Like, did you send me a calendarinvite for that?
Well, no, like, well, I I don'tthink I can do that and it's
like it's got to be on mycalendar.
(35:13):
Like I'm big on time'm big ontime blocking, you know, but I
also like to color coordinate itso I know at the end of the
week if I'm reviewing, or at theend of the month or a quarter,
I can see, okay, well, how muchwas dedicated to my fitness, you
know, how much was dedicated tomy family, you know, and I just
color coordinate it so I can.
The nice thing about Googlecalendar it does it will give
you a.
As long as you take the extratime to tag everything correctly
(35:33):
, you can start to analyze andsee patterns right.
Or see, I didn't work on thatbusiness project that I really
thought would be off the groundnow, but when I look at my time
and energy, I really didn't putthat much into it.
So I can't be disappointed witha lack of results.
Dr. Rob Bell (35:52):
And that's why you were so successful, man, is
because the real power is in thedebrief.
You have the test first andthen you get the lesson
afterwards.
Right, you got the test of therace.
Man Race didn't go well, oh,what did I learn from it?
Well, what was my training fromit?
What was lacking in that?
I've bonked in races before man.
I bonked in a Boston Marathon,the one race that you do not
(36:15):
want to bonk in.
Right, you want to have a greatperformance for that.
Well, what was wrong with thetraining, man?
Well, here in Indiana, here inIndianapolis, not a lot of hills
.
How much hill training didtrails, if I'm trail running,
but not on the road?
You know, buddy, I know this.
I studied the race course.
(36:40):
I've done trails.
Man Could be the same thing.
Well, in trail races, you'rewalking up a lot of those hills.
You're not sprinting up thosesuckers.
Right, you got 50 miles, man,you're power hiking.
Well, in road races, you're notpower hiking up that stuff.
So my point is is like you gotto deep breathe.
You have to look at and see man, do an autopsy on the body.
(37:04):
Right, that's what I love Do anautopsy on the body.
Look at the body?
What was the cause of death?
Where did we go right?
Where did we go wrong?
And that's, that's suchpowerful stuff.
People were to do.
That exponentially, you improveupon life.
Dai Manuel (37:25):
Love this.
I, I, you know, and I'm likeI'm looking at the time, I'm
like, oh man, I could just keepjamming with you all day long
and I already know I'm gettingback next season and every
season thereafter already,because I just feel there's so
much.
I know people are taking away,they're nodding at their, their,
their well, whether I was goingto say, listening to their on
the radio on the way to work,but you know, and everyone's got
the Bluetooth.
But either way, I know peopleare digging this and you have an
(37:48):
awesome podcast, the mentaltoughness podcast, and you've
had a bunch of amazing guests onyour show.
I want to just ask you you knowwhat has been some of the most
surprising or takeawayconversations that you've
experienced since starting yourpodcast?
Because you've had just such awide breadth of different types
(38:08):
of people, but obviously theyall, in their own right, have a
certain way of tackling theirlives you know, and so what?
what are some of the biggestlessons that you've sort of
taken away by having theseconversations, cause I know that
also comes into some of yourbooks right, like in your talks,
like I know that you referencea lot of these wonderful
examples of people that aredoing amazing things, and so,
(38:31):
please, and don't worry everyone, all this is linked to one of
the books, the website, the freeresources that Dr Rob's
offering up, as well as a linkto his podcast, which you're
definitely going to want to gosubscribe to.
It is like you need that littlepick me up in the morning to
get out of bed and kick butt.
Uh, well, tune in, dr Rob,please.
Uh, what are some of thoselessons?
Dr. Rob Bell (38:51):
No, I appreciate it, man, some of those lessons.
No, I appreciate it, man.
I.
Just one of the questions Ikind of ask is about, like their
hinge moment, so that oneperson, one moment, one event
that made all the difference intheir lives.
It connected who they were withwho they became.
We have multiple hinge momentsthroughout our life, but it's
the tragedies that happen in ourlife, you know, getting fired,
(39:12):
death of a, of a loved one,right, cancer, I mean, I mean
the real tragedies that happen.
And the part that has struckout to me is that people's worst
day end up becoming sometimestheir best.
Now, they would never wish thetragedy that they went through,
(39:32):
but that is life, unfortunately,man, life we know is not fair.
There are a lot of difficultand uncontrollable things that
happen.
How people have responded, fromnever getting to any point in
(39:56):
time to getting one shot, tobeing an alternate and then
winning a championship.
You know, I ask him and that'sthe part that just really sticks
with me is their hinge moments,from somebody getting hit by a
car on her bike, car on her bike, her last ride before she's
(40:19):
getting ready to ride across theUnited States, to then that
dream now gets put on hold forfive years, um, to deal with,
you know, the fractures, man,that all the pain she had to go
through to finally finishing it.
And then hearing, like her story, man, it's, it's inspired, it's
like you, you did all this toride across the United States
(40:40):
Again, I'm a, I'm a Yankee,right, I'm in the United States.
And you know what her responsewas Like when she got to the
other side she was like sad.
It was all, all the preparation, everything into it, man, she
was actually kind of sad.
Yes, she was happy to be done,of course, but there becomes so
much effort and goes into thejourney that we go through, that
(41:03):
the process becomes moreimportant than the product they
apply it.
That's the part, I think, thatjust motivates me, man, and,
like you know, to hear people'sstruggles, to what they go
through, how do they overcome it, and that's the part it really
just sticks with me, man, it'stheir hinge moments and what
(41:26):
they do with that pain andlesson this too shall pass, and
you know man.
Dai Manuel (41:34):
And even when it passes, it's amazing how we can
look back and really gleam thelearnings from it.
You know, and that sort ofcomes back to the whole debrief
idea, right, it's like, yeah, Igot through it, and I and we
hear about that sort of when,when champions finish, right,
they'd finished, they've won,but even though they've won,
(41:55):
they've won, but even thoughthey've won, they've recognized
oh gosh, new season beginstomorrow.
You know, it's like here we goagain and and I guess that's the
perpetuity of life andrecognizing, but you've gained
so much more experience andknowledge on the, the process to
getting right or, as the angstcan say, process.
So, uh, in the case, you got myCanadian accent there my
process, uh, anyways, uh, um,you know, I, I recognize in the
(42:20):
time where we're going to, Iwant to respect the audience.
They know that we've tried tokeep it, uh, under an hour at
the very least.
Uh, if there was.
Well, actually, before I askthis question, cause I think
this is sort of in line of Ialways like to give my guests
the, the last word.
For people that want to connectwith you, at least just follow
along, because I love followingyou on social.
(42:40):
I think there's just some greatinspiration, motivation, but,
more importantly, educationthat's accessible for all of us.
What would be the idealplatform?
Because I know everyone's like,I can't follow all of them.
But for you yourself, what isyour platform that you enjoy
using the most to connect withan audience?
Dr. Rob Bell (42:57):
Man, I love connecting with them over email,
to be honest, because that'sthe time where I really just
kind of get to give quickhitters and pointers in terms of
where I'm at and what's goingon and what's coming up and
lessons and what we need to do,and I bet it's still really my
favorite one.
(43:17):
You know, yeah, there'sInstagram, man, there's Twitter
apps and I'm on those andLinkedIn as well, but those
social media platforms I stilllike kind of holding the space
for people to reply and peoplethat reply, man, I always get
back to everybody.
You know, sometimes it takes alittle bit and I'll let them
(43:38):
know that, like, let me thinkabout this one, uh, but I'll
even ask them you know, hey,what is it you want to hear,
what you want to know more about?
You know?
So connect them with with myaudience that's growing
throughout the year or so on, uhon email.
Dai Manuel (43:50):
That's my favorite one well, that's, uh, an easy
one, everyone, because you'regoing to go get some of those
free resources that dr rob'sproviding, as well as get on his
newsletter and doing so so youcan be able to start connecting
with dr rob through email.
Uh, but be sure to check outsome of the other links in in
the show notes.
You just click that littlebutton on your wherever you're
listening to this, and there'sall hyperlinked there.
So make it nice and easy.
(44:11):
Grab a copy of the, the book,connect with Rob and you know
what, do yourself a favor tostart shifting your perspective
for your next hinge moment inlife, so when you're called to
action, you're ready to take itand feeling prepared for those
moments and listen.
Dr Rob, thank you for beinghere today.
I'm so grateful for youallowing me the time to surely
(44:34):
dive into some of these topics.
I'm excited to have you back togo even deeper on a few of
these, because I know we'regoing to get some audience
people reaching out withquestions, and that just means
I'm going to have to get youback to answer them.
Dr. Rob Bell (44:45):
So I'm going to have you on my podcast here this
summer.
Dai Manuel (44:51):
Can't wait, man.
Dr. Rob Bell (44:52):
I'm there, I am so there.
Dai Manuel (44:53):
It's not's not even funny and and you know I always
like to give my guests last word.
If there's people there sort ofI, I guess what would be your
advice, you know to, to for theaudience who are looking to
enhance their mental toughnessyou know, whether it's in sports
, maybe their career goshpersonal lives, what would be
(45:16):
something you'd like to leavethem with today?
Um?
Dr. Rob Bell (45:20):
you know it's.
It's on the same scene that Ithink you talk about man, two
percent, right, like you justgot to pick one area, one small
thing, and start with that.
Make that your masterpiece.
Don't care what it is, man, butone small thing, and other
things start to line up.
When we do that, we get in thewhole habit of setting smart
(45:44):
goals and all that, and we set10 different things we want to
do in order to lose 10 pounds.
We do maybe one of them welland the others are junk, junk,
and then it brings us downanyway because we, you know,
weren't really focused on theone thing.
So we picked the one thing thatwe really want to focus on and
then, if I could leave it withthis and I'll leave at this
(46:05):
point, please it's kind of likewith puke and rally, like it's
not about the setback, it'sabout the comeback.
It's always going to be aboutthe comeback.
So, no matter how well you'redoing, there are going to be
about the comeback.
So, no matter how well you'redoing, there are going to be
setbacks.
And the point is, is the onequote that I hate in life is
that if you fall down seven, youget up eight, and here's why I
hate that.
Okay, down for the seventh time.
(46:37):
You remember the third, thefourth and the fifth time that
you fell and all the feelings ofthe failure, the dread, how
painful it is.
All that stuff comes back andhaunts you and that is what
keeps you from putting yourselfout there again, when what we
need to do, man, is you got torealize when you fall down, when
you fail and it's okay to sayfail, man like there's failure
(46:57):
and feedback, but when thathappens, you just have to focus
on that one and not bring allthe past experiences and junk
with you, because you're so muchbetter off now than what you
were before.
You've just got to focus on thisone, this occasion, right here,
and just focus on coming backfrom that.
So if you miss the gym, justdon't miss tomorrow.
(47:20):
If you eat the piece of cake,you don't have to eat the whole
cake.
And that's the part that I seethat messes up so many people.
We mess up the one time.
Oh, man, see, I knew deep downI couldn't do that, because
you're thinking back to thethird and fourth and fifth time
you fell, when you just got tofocus and isolate it on this one
, right here, that's.
That's the mic drop that I canleave.
(47:44):
I was like my mic right in theground right now, because that
was awesome.
Dai Manuel (47:48):
And oh, I love it.
Thank you, Dr Rob.
That was just.
I'm feeling like I want to goto the gym right now.
I'm like you fired me up and Ialways love that.
But my guests, you know I cometo these conversations feeling
really good but I always leavefeeling great and you've
definitely delivered on that.
So thank you again for beinghere today, dr Rob.
Everybody reminder I'll see youin the outro.
(48:11):
We'll recap everything that DrRob left us with today.
And don't hesitate, reach outto him, get on his email list
and start a conversation,because you know what that one
little thing will be, the thingthat changes.
Thanks again, rob.
Thanks brother.
Thank you for tuning intoanother lightning episode of the
(48:37):
2% Solution Podcast.
We hope Dr Bell's insights onmental toughness and patience
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I'll see you in the next episode.
Welcome back to another episode of the 2%
Solution podcast with your hostDiamond.
Well, that's me.
Today, we have a trulyexceptional guest joining us, dr
Rob Bell.
He's not just any sportspsychology coach.
He's a mentor to athletes ofall kinds, from corporate
executives to professionalchampions.
(00:28):
Dr Rob's passion for mentaltoughness and resilience has not
only shaped his career, but hasalso impacted countless lives.
With eight yes, I said eightbooks under his belt, including
the latest, I Can't Wait to BePatient.
Dr Rob is here to share hisinvaluable insights on patience,
(00:49):
the power of time and what ittruly means to be mentally tough
I mean we hear that expressionall the time.
But what really mean?
Stay tuned as we dive intolife-changing moments and
stories that inspire you to findyour own 2% solution.
And with that let's get to theinterview.
(01:11):
Welcome back to the 2% SolutionPodcast.
I'm Diamond.
While you're hosting today, I'msuper stoked.
We get to talk to an amazingindividual, but also he's got
some really cool philosophiesaround human performance, life,
athleticism, ah, just evenaround time and time, concept of
time and how we relate to timeand uh.
(01:32):
So I want to welcome to theshow dr rob bell yeah, thanks
time.
Dr. Rob Bell (01:36):
I appreciate it put on a great show, two percent
, so it's great man well, thankyou and listen it.
Dai Manuel (01:43):
Listen, it's all about those small incremental
steps and I know you totally getthat.
You talk about the compoundingeffect, you talk about the power
of this, micro commitments, butbeing consistent and frequent
enough to see the changesthrough, and I know that's a big
part of how you support peopleprofessionally, personally and
everything in between.
And so I was wondering, Ithought the best place to begin,
because I know you do a lotaround sports psychology and I'm
(02:06):
really curious, you know, canyou give us a quick overview of
your journey to why to choose tospecialize in that of all
things?
Dr. Rob Bell (02:14):
Sure man, I say, like mental toughness, it's not
always taught, but it is caught.
And even going down the fieldof sports psychology I was.
I mean, sports was my entirelife and I got to school and
college and I kind of got off onthe wrong path.
I was going down the wrong pathand when you get down the wrong
path you stay on it until youcan find another path.
(02:36):
Well, what had happened was ahinge moment and I'd fallen off
an 80-foot cliff.
It was laying at the bottom ofthis crevasse, had a crammy up
out of it, fractured back,broken arm, gaping head wound,
but you know I was alive man.
So it's like, but boom, hingemoment because baseball was then
no longer going to be part ofthe equation in my life and it
(02:58):
was that that the next semester,still in a lot of pain
physically and mentally.
But I took the first psychologyclass I ever had in my life and
it was tattooed in my heart thatthis is what I want to do with
my life, man.
It's just working with athletes, coaches and teams on the
mental game and sportspsychology, because I was the
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athlete that always thought waytoo much right.
I was stuck inside my head andI was the athlete that coaches
hated because I was an all ornothing Like.
I was stuck inside my head andI was the.
I was the athlete that coacheshated because I was an all or
nothing athlete.
I was either the best, likethings were great, or I was the
worst.
There was no in between, andwhen I took that class, that's
when the journey started andthat's what I mean it was caught
.
You know, I didn't really pickit.
Uh, it kind of picked me and Ifelt a blessing in that regards
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that.
That's, that's the path I wasgoing to do.
Dai Manuel (03:46):
I love it.
I love it.
Well, I guess it just probablyleads into a little bit of the
conversation, cause I knowthere's a lot to unpack there,
cause obviously that that was avery pivotal.
I love how you say it's a hingemoment.
I love that it's a.
I just love that that the ideaof that that engine cause it's
still attached right where pivotsometimes incorporates a very
different concept when you sortof follow it through.
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So I really appreciate that.
Dr. Rob Bell (04:10):
Yeah, every door has a hinge Ty.
You know a door without a hingeis a wall man.
It just doesn't work.
Dai Manuel (04:16):
Unless you want to crash right through it, right,
but that's another thingentirely.
Well, let's talk about this,because I think this sort of
plays.
You sort of alluded to thismental toughness piece, not only
your own mental toughness, butnow also how you support others
in this area of sportspsychology and life psychology,
and I know you refer to everyoneas an athlete.
So can you talk about that?
(04:38):
Because I love this.
I think it's just such a coolphilosophy and such a neat
concept, and I'd love for theaudience to really get a feel
for yeah, absolutely man.
Dr. Rob Bell (04:47):
But like a long time.
You know, if I'd be presentingto executives working with them,
they would automatically justcome up front say, well, I'm not
an athlete and you know, andI'm sure that.
And then it made me just thinkI was like, yeah, you are an
athlete, you know, and that'swhat I believe.
I believe everyone's an athlete.
Your office is just different.
Because what does it mean to bean athlete?
And as an athlete, we allprepare way more than we play.
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And if you put more preparationinto your actual performance,
then you're going to be anathlete.
In life we're going to havemore losses than we do wins,
right, we're going to have moreof these incremental losses just
to get to that win.
So I think if we have morelosses than wins, then you're
going to be an athlete.
And then the one main reasonwhy I think everyone's an
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athlete or office is justdifferent, is because we compete
.
And when we compete, sometimesyou might think about an
opponent, but there's a way moredifficult opponent.
You and I both know this, right.
This opponent knows ourstrengths and our weaknesses,
knows our hurts, hangups andheadaches, knows everything
about us.
So try to beat somebody in aone-on-one basketball if they
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already know what you're goingto do.
And that's who we're competingagainst is our own mind, and in
our own mind, the reason whywe're all competing against is
because it just tries to keep ussafe.
That's it.
It does a remarkable job at it.
Right?
Just stay safe.
So anytime that we getuncomfortable whether it's going
to be in a personal situationor relationship, working out,
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training, whatever it is it justwants to stay safe.
That's who you're competingagainst and you got those three
components like in your lifewhere you have to perform at any
level then you're going to bean athlete, it's just.
Your office is going to be alittle bit different, and that's
the way I look at it.
Dai Manuel (06:32):
And so when you say office, you're referring to just
what you do in life.
Dr. Rob Bell (06:37):
Is that what your office looks like?
I mean, when I get to work withPGA Tour pros, I'm out there on
the PGA Tour Boy.
Let with pj tour pros, I'm outthere on the pj tour boy.
Let me tell you that is a greatoffice, because that is that is
, pristine golf courses,beautiful areas in life.
So it's like what you want youroffice to look like.
So if I'm working with the swimteam or working with swimmers,
then I'm there at the natatoriumuh, basketball team, it's going
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to be, you know, gymnasium, butyou know, a lot of the times I
mean, this might be the office,might be a cubicle that we're at
, but it's like you get todefine what your mental space
kind of looks like.
And that's what I mean in termsof what your actual office is.
And that's what I'm alwaysencouraging people, whatever
field you're going to be goinginto, pick your office.
And you got to know what youroffice wants to look like.
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Because, yeah, man, you want tobe on the beach, being able to
make money right, residualincome.
I'm like that's a great, that'sa great office, and so that's
why I kind of look at that manin terms of what your office
looks like.
Dai Manuel (07:35):
So how would this differ, say, for a stay-at-home
dad, right, yep, right, yep,versus, maybe that I don't know
like a founder of a tech companyRight To you know that?
Like, I mean non typical whatwe think of an athlete, right,
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and I'm curious like what?
Where is the parallel there?
How are you inviting them tolook at themselves as athletes?
Because I can imagine howpeople would say listen, I'm not
an athlete.
I get that, I've heard peoplereference that, but I think
athletes are often made right.
I mean, there's a mental pieceI'm sure you can speak to.
What's the DNA of a competitiveathlete, especially if you're
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talking about people on the PGATour.
I mean there's a certain amountof work and effort and
commitment that's gone intogetting to that level.
But I I love for you to justsort of describe, I mean, how
can we see ourselves as athletes, no matter the office that
we're in?
Like?
Do you know what I mean likethat, that stay-at-home dad,
because I I'm connected to a lotof dads in those groups right
now I hear that all the time,right, but they'll slowly, and
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once you prod them enough, right?
it's amazing that they'll pointfingers at everything outside of
themselves besides themselves.
Right Like that.
That radical accountabilitypiece, yeah, I live, you know so
please go ahead, go ahead.
Dr. Rob Bell (08:52):
I think that's that's probably like the key to
me with great athletes that'swhat I see, man is they take
full responsibility for their.
You know, sometimes theirresults are out of our control,
but they take fullresponsibility for their effort,
their attitude toward whatthey're approaching to.
I think another aspect is isare they willing to get better?
Do they want to get better?
And you just have to have thewillingness.
Willingness is key, like I justdon't like exactly where I'm at
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and I'm willing to do thethings I don't want to do, or I
know where it is that I want togo and I want to do these things
just a little bit better.
That's the component.
So, if it's going to be astay-at-home dad, I remember man
, when I had my kids and I chosethat.
I mean there were specific daysthat I would stay with them,
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and man especially like it justkind of varies in terms of like
where they are in the stage oflife, like when you become a dad
, like the days are long but theyears go by fast.
I would have the workouts withthem.
I was looking back just theother day when COVID was there
this was when shutdown happenedand I'm looking at these videos
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and it pops up on the screen.
It's just exactly four yearsago.
They were out there running, wewere doing workouts.
I look back on it and then Igot to show my daughter, who's
now a freshman.
I'm like, hey, remember these.
She's like, yeah, I rememberthat.
I hated going through it at thetime.
But it's just, man, where in mylife do I want to get better?
I think that's the part wherewe have to start at, and I think
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, man, it might be inrelationships, it might be in my
own personal journey and I wantto get better at this.
Man.
It might be an addiction, right, it might be something, man, I
want to stop doing.
But we all have these areasthat we can improve upon, and
that's where I think we justhave to start with.
You've got to take an athleticmindset towards improvement,
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because if you ease into it, twoweeks later, man, you're done
already, and there's no easinginto a street fight.
You don't ease in anything.
If you want to, you have to beurgent towards improvement,
piece Now, you have to bepatient with the results, but
you got to be urgent towards theconsistency and getting better
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at it.
And that's, man.
There's so many avenues.
We can go down with that, butthat's the part I look at.
That's how you got to look atthe improvement piece.
Dai Manuel (11:13):
Yeah, I think that's beautiful and also it's
empowering at the same time,because I find it it's a simple
answer to a complicatedapplication right or
implementation.
Simple answer, a complicatedapplication right or
implementation, because I I tendto see and I'm sure you see
this too, but I mean, obviouslyit's different for those that
are competitive athletes in aprofessional league, uh,
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whatever level, I mean, they putthe reps in, so to speak, you
know.
And but for us that maybe don'thave that kind of athletic
background, or at least that,that prescribed background that
we get from a lifelongcommitment to a sport, what,
what's the best way to getstarted to adapt to that kind of
an?
Dr. Rob Bell (11:50):
out here you know, yeah, no, this great question,
man.
Um, I always get back to thisthe fundamentals never change.
Improve the fundamentals, youwill see.
I mean, let's just look atsteph curry with steph curry
just doesn't show up game daygoing through his dialed in
routine and make all these shots.
He does 500 shots a day andthat's every day.
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And that's the fundamentals.
If you ever watched the book ofManny, you know on, you know
Peyton and Eli and then thepatriarch there with Archie,
they had entire practices wherethey would look at just their
plant foot when they would takethe snap, go back and plant
their foot.
I mean, do you know how manytimes they've done that every
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season on how we tie our shoes?
Because there is a, there isfundamentals that we do every
single day in terms of how weget up, how we approach the day,
our attitude, our effort, howwe're um connecting with others.
That we can always improve upon.
And I always say you just got tostart with the fundamentals,
man.
Start with the fundamentals ofone to get better.
Look at your routine, look atyour daily schedule, look at the
time wasters that you have,look at the relationships that
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are going on in life, look atyour overall joy and happiness.
And where can I fundamentallyjust get better at that?
That's the part that I look at.
Man, we got to start.
You don't have to go crazy.
I think consistency beats crazyall the time.
Dai Manuel (13:27):
I love it.
I mean, I'm like man.
I'm just thinking of all thesequote graphics I'm going to make
because I'm tired.
Dr. Rob Bell (13:32):
Oh yeah.
Dai Manuel (13:34):
It's like a waterfall of these, but I love
it.
I love the quotables becauseit's often those little snippets
are the things that in thosemoments when we're feeling low,
it's just enough to give us thatperspective shift of a small
like an incremental change right, just to see things a little
bit differently, to go from.
You know that seems really hardto you know what I think I can
and I'm going to try right and Ithink that's just wild, it's
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wild.
Dr. Rob Bell (13:57):
You have to have, and we always get away from it
right.
It's like you know, rome wasn'tbuilt in a day, but it wasn't
destroyed in a day either.
You know it's always a slowfade, but I think you have to
have a philosophy for life onhow you want to approach things.
What's, what are the valuesthat you hold dear?
And just start with that,because the philosophy sometimes
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and that's the part about beingable to look at other people
are what said that die doesright, like, what are his core
values?
How does he approach this?
And you don't have to tap intoother people's why.
You just got to look at theirhow and you just have to know
what your why is.
And that's where I look at man.
Having a philosophy of life,how you want to approach it is
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huge.
Dai Manuel (14:41):
So what's your core values then?
Since we're on that topic, I'dlove to know what yours are, Dr
Rob.
Dr. Rob Bell (14:46):
Yeah, I mean, you know we share this a lot with,
especially with the family.
When we're talking about it, Acouple of the core values we
talk about, our most importantrelationships, are inside our
four walls.
Our relationships have to bestrong.
Things are off.
We need to talk about it,whether it's me apologize and
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you apologize and we got to.
They have to be the strongest,because it's really tough to
have good relationships outsidethe four walls when the
relationships inside the fourwalls are all and I'm buddy, I'm
guilty of it, you know what Imean.
I've neglected therelationships.
I get off on these obsessivejourneys that take me down
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rolling paths, man, and it'svery easy to see.
Yeah, I was being selfish andself-centered there when I was
really focused on writing thisbook or whatever that's going to
be speaking engagements, and soI think that's a big one.
The other one that we alwaysget back to is you.
You just don't quit.
You simply don't quit, and thatmeans we're trusting the
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process of time that you aregoing to have adversity, You're
going to have setbacks, You'regoing to have major lows, and
you know this, man, beingbusiness owners, man, I mean
there are major lows that you gothrough, no-transcript.
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We don't always know when it'sgoing to pay you back, but it
will pay you back if you stay inthe game.
Those are probably the two man.
And then the third componentand this is where we always got
to go through is God, man andspirituality, and that has to be
the core, fundamentals of wherewe are, our relationships, our
relationship with God and for usman, it's Christ, Because if
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Rob's doing it all or we'redoing it all, I'm going to mess
it up.
Man, I cannot do that and Ibelieve there's a God and I just
know that I'm not it.
Dai Manuel (17:01):
So insightful but also profound.
There's a couple of piecesthere.
You just reminded me I thinkit's a Nietzsche quote.
It says with a strong enoughwhy we can endure anyhow, and it
is.
There's something to thattestament of really knowing your
values and the non-negotiablesand how enlightening that can be
to the path that we're tryingto trailblaze a lot of the time,
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because it's not like we haveother people we that are going
to walk in the exact same path,because it's it's uniquely our
own right and also that thatfaith is also one of my five f's
values.
you know family as well.
So I, I, we, I I relate verymuch to what you're sharing and
I know when we start talkingabout adapting or implementing
some of these philosophies,these ideas that you've come to
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know based on life experience,right and schooling and whatnot.
And I guess this is a greatsort of segue because it
involves time.
You know it all takes time,effort, energy.
It's not like things happeninstantly, and if you're looking
for the instant gratification,the one click buy well, there's
Amazon for you, right?
(18:05):
It's amazing how our culture isjust so conditioned to want
things immediately, with aslittle effort as possible, and
we all often know that thingsworth working for doesn't
usually come that easy.
And so your new book.
Could you sort of just talk abit about that?
I can't wait to be patientbecause I think it's just a
great read but very insightful,and so maybe we can sort of
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segue.
Why this book?
Why did you write it?
Dr. Rob Bell (18:32):
So I had experiences in some races and
then specifically in preparation.
Do you want me to tell a quickstory?
Dai Manuel (18:39):
Yeah, please, I would love that.
That's so, so great yes.
Dr. Rob Bell (18:42):
So I had a hundred mile trail race that I was
doing, and you know we prepareway more than we train.
So this was I had 16 differenttraining runs over a marathon
distance, just on trail, youknow.
Well, I mean.
And then one run in particular.
I had about eight miles leftand I'd never listen to anything
when I'm out there.
I never listened to any music,no podcast.
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I'm there with my breathing andmy thoughts.
Well, there's a lot ofthinkings if you're going to be
out there six, eight hours at atime.
You know, and that's again alittle bit, I'm a little bit off
.
I get it.
You know that's that's fun, yougot it.
You gotta be a little bit off.
Dai Manuel (19:17):
All the crazy ones are awesome.
That's the way I look at it.
We're all a little crazy, man.
Well, continue continue.
Dr. Rob Bell (19:23):
So I had eight miles left of this training run
and it was hot, it was humid, Iwas tired, I mean the and I just
wanted to be done.
And I remember thinking I can'twait till I'm done.
And it kind of grabbed me atthat time and I was like you
know, no one ever says what wesay we can't wait for, right.
(19:46):
Hey, I can't wait for thatepisode to come out, I can't
wait for that birthday party, Ican't wait for next season, says
I can't wait to be in a lot offinancial hardship, I can't wait
to be in a lot of pain, I can'twait to really be suffering.
And it grabbed me at thatmoment that I needed a mind
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shift because that wasn't goingto work.
And that is not true.
Time is hinged there.
We go on a door that swingsboth ways.
None of us get to speed up timewhen things are bad and none of
us get to slow down time whenthings are really great.
No matter how wonderful thatsteak dinner is, this too shall
pass.
No matter how great thatmountaintop moment, that
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championship was, that bid thatyou got, the payday that you
received, this too shall pass.
No one lives up on themountaintops, man, you got to
come back down and again, thistoo shall pass.
No one's ever telling somebodyat a birthday party or a wedding
ceremony hey, don't worry, thistoo shall pass.
Right, that would be.
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You get kicked out of birthdayparties for that stuff.
But it's true, man, time is themost important resource that we
have, and time is what we wantthe most, but it's what we use
the worst.
The more money we get in life,we spend it to get more time,
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and so that's where I look at.
It's the most precious resource.
And, like I said earlier, man,the days are long but the years
are fast.
So we have this supply-demandtheory.
When it comes to time, when weare young, we have all the
supply in the world.
We have an endless supply oftime and very little demand.
Why does time become sovaluable as we progress in life?
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Because now the supply we seethe supply is now actually
limited.
There's a finite amount, andthe demand has now increased.
Well, hence our time becomes somuch more valued.
So if we say yes to everything,we're putting a value on our
time, and that was the piece ofwhere we needed to look at the
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mental gate, the mentaltoughness that we have all our
issues, all our stressors.
I'm not saying time is theultimate end-all, be-all, but
what it is is it should be thefirst entryway that we look at
for our issues, for ourstressors.
I get stressed out, just likeeverybody.
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I get overwhelmed, I'll getanxious and when I really peel
back and look at it, I justdidn't process this situation
well.
I needed more time to thinkabout it.
I needed time to pause andreflect.
When do I make mistakes?
When I react and don't respond?
Because it was so immediate, itwas so urgent that I just
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didn't pause, reflect, thinkabout it, pray about it, go for
a run.
I'm just going to sit on thatfor a minute.
The reason why this book becameso difficult to write, man, was
because there is times to beurgent.
Like we said at the beginning,you've got to approach your
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craft, things that are important, with a sense of urgency,
because if you don't push backtowards the things you believe
in, you're going to be pushedout.
However, there has to also bethis level of patience.
So when I look at patience andtime, think about it.
It's the recovery of the mind.
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When does the muscle reallygrow?
And you know this man, themuscle doesn't grow during the
workout, it grows during therecovery piece, right.
So urgency is the workout, butthe recovery is the patience
that we need to allow that.
So it's like the day that theseed is planted is not the day
that it's harvested.
There's so many differentavenues we can go through, man,
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so many different take-homes.
But that was the essence of thebook, man is we got to approach
our times through the firstentryway and that is through
time.
Dai Manuel (23:54):
I just think it's amazing, because I'm a big
proponent for this.
I know there's a book calledthe Big Leap, and he talks about
Einstein, time, and this ideaof just our relationship with
time is often very I mean, it'svery subjective, even though
it's something that we canobjectify, you know, and even I
just read Tim Grover's bookWinning, you know, and he talks
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about the power of just stopping.
And then also in a men's healthbook called the gosh what is it
, david Dida?
The Way of the Superior man hetalks about there comes a phase
in men's life where they'reencouraged to just take a pause.
Take a pause, you know.
So I really love how youapproach this especially.
Dr. Rob Bell (24:35):
Why do coaches use timeouts?
You know they use timeoutsbecause we need to pause.
Man, it's the end of the sport.
You know?
Sorry for the tangent brother.
No, no, me fired up, man.
Dai Manuel (24:46):
I love this and I guess, like I recognize in your
book, you really provide someinsightful examples, also some
great stories.
But what can people expect ifthey pick up this book, they
read it?
What do you feel is the mainthing that you were really
looking to support people withby writing the book?
Because I always know, as anauthor myself, there's always
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that intention.
It's like I mean, of course,we're writing it for ourselves
first and foremost, right,because we feel it's that story
we have to tell, but there'salways that intention to support
and create impact in others'lives, right.
And so I'd love to hear sort ofthat approach, but also what
people can expect when they pickit up, because I know there's
nothing but value bomb aftervalue bomb, you know.
Dr. Rob Bell (25:30):
Yeah, absolutely man, and I look forward to
having you on my podcast, manTalk, couple of pieces that I
think are really important.
One like patience, and what ispatience and what does it really
mean?
You know, why is that important?
Because there's just you knowit's such a strength, man, uh.
But there are more componentsthat go into just the ability to
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wait without haste orrestlessness.
You got got to have acceptanceof people and situations.
You have to have a lack ofresentment towards yourself and
other people and you have tohave hope.
These all factors go into whatit means to be patient and I
think the biggest take home, thetwo biggest take homes, if I
could say, people look up thebook and read it, and that is
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the importance of speed.
We're designed to get frompoint A to point B as fast as we
can.
No one puts in their GPS andtakes the slowest route, but
rhythm is more important thanspeed.
It's the ability to changespeeds that really become
important, that becomes powerful, but rhythm is more important
than speed.
Try to tell people, man, hereare the things you got to put
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into play on how to incorporaterhythm into your life.
And then the other piece is youhave the important urgencies in
life.
You have to know what isimportant and approach urgency
with that.
Too often we're urgent towardsthe wrong things, man, and we
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get urgent towards the wrongthings like urgency by itself
that we just become a lunaticman Because why didn't they
reply?
What is up with that reply?
I got to send them anothermessage here because they
haven't replied yet, when, if wewould have just waited, we
wouldn't have got caught up inall the drama and cloud and
murky stuff that was going onbecause we were so urgent
(27:24):
towards getting an answer rightaway that we didn't receive and
we didn't have the properboundary set in our daily
schedule.
So it's like to handle the codereds that happen up throughout
the day.
I'm guilty of it too, brother,but I feel a need.
I got to reply to this rightaway because it's something
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urgent, but is it important?
And if I really schedule my day, you know what?
That's something that I takecare of from 11 to 12 every day,
man.
What are these code reds thatare going to happen?
And when you do that now, youcan get into flow more often.
Throughout the day, man, youget really ingrained and not get
so distracted and out of therhythm of what you're trying to
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do.
So those are a couple of thekey components, man, that I find
to be like hey man, how can Iread this and apply it to my
daily life?
Dai Manuel (28:13):
Yes, and I think that's the one thing I took away
from the book is that there aresome wonderful examples and
resources, you know, for peopleto start to implement this sort
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of shift in relationship withhow we look at time to the
concept of patience.
Usually there's parents as kidsright, you know, waiting in a
line to get on a roller coaster.
Listen, you just got to bepatient, you know.
It's like oh hey, I want thecake that you're baking for my
birthday.
I want it now, just be patient,right, like.
So we sort of have thisnegative relationship with the
idea of being patient, you know.
And but for us to develop ahealthier relationship with this
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concept and to start to leaninto some of the things that you
speak about, what would be agreat example or an exercise
that you could leave with theaudience today to start to get a
little flavor of Dr Rob andsome of these insights, yes,
good example, man, good exampleso I kind of mentioned one there
that segment your day.
Dr. Rob Bell (29:17):
that I mean.
One number one is just look atthe time that you spend towards
things.
Right, I think we it's the timewasters that.
Look, if time's our mostprecious resource, then why are
we wasting it?
You know what I mean and I getguilty of it too.
Right, but hey, man, if youwant to scroll, just schedule
the time throughout the day.
Man, I'm going to take 30minutes here and just really
scroll, that's my thing.
(29:39):
Fine, but schedule it into theday, because too often we do it
and we get lost.
Man, 15 minutes later I waslaying in bed and why didn't I
just hop out of bed?
I was just looking at whatagain?
And we get so lost in that andthen our mind starts taking over
.
So I look at segment the day,look at the day of when you are
(30:00):
going to schedule just yourreally focused time towards the
task at hand.
What is really important, whatis I'm really working on?
I've got to be in these calls,man.
Be in those calls, because ifyou get distracted in this, if
it's a sales call, sales call isimportant, your bottom line man
.
You get distracted.
In this, you're not as sharp asyou need to be if it's going to
(30:22):
be writing a book, if it's goingto be in the workout, you know,
and that's why I'm a bigproponent of I would say look,
people got to listen to yourpodcast when they're working out
.
I get it, man.
You know your podcast whenthey're working out, I get it,
man.
Your podcast is powerful athelping motivate people.
But I just think too often, man, we got so much stuff that's
going on.
You got to de-stress,decompress, just keep the mind
(30:43):
quiet, man.
People meditate.
I'm not a meditator man, I'm arunner.
I meditate when I run.
I'm out there, I'm justbreathing, praying out there
with my chocolate lab.
That's the best time, but Ithink we have to have these
times throughout the day, man,where everything just gets shut
off, and that's how I think thatwe get in flow, get in the zone
more and ultimately, get moreproductive and efficient.
Dai Manuel (31:06):
I think this is great and actually you just
reminded me there was a questionI wanted to ask you because,
this is all on the same subject,and so our theme and I, with
your, I'd be reg toughness wise,probably the same as your 100
miler, all right, again, it'sall perspective, right, and I'm
(31:40):
not a runner, I'm a sprinter,and so anything over 5K I'm like
.
But I'd love to know, and alsofor those that are listening,
because I think we all have that100 miler or that thing that we
would treat as a hundred milerun for ourselves in life.
You know that, that, right backto that sort of idea that
everybody's a life athlete,right, and and and so what is
(32:01):
your preparation light forsomething like that or for any
of these races that you've done?
I, I'd like to just know what'syour ritual, what's it?
Look, chair.
Dr. Rob Bell (32:10):
But you know, and I can say this too, man, it's
like, uh, if people want, like Igive a resource out on my
websites just drdarkocom they gothere or even go to the book
website.
Do the book, man, and that is Ischedule everything as like a
workout.
And so if it's like, hey, man,you just got to know, like for
Ironman training, like there'sthree different disciplines to
focus on, as you know, you knowwhat I'm saying.
(32:31):
For running, there's onediscipline, but, yeah, you got
(32:54):
to have that strength componentas well, and it's really just
focusing on making things towork out like a workout time
scheduling it workout ends, nomatter how hard the workout is,
(33:19):
it's going to end.
And Steph Curry has a trainingregime that he does every single
day, but it's not like he'sshooting baskets 24 hours a day,
right, he segments his time ofwhen the preparation is and when
the recovery is, and that'sjust the biggest thing that I do
.
And I set the goal and thenjust focus on segmenting when is
going to be the time that I'mscheduling towards that and and
(33:42):
how I'm incorporating that intolike the life.
Um, that's probably the biggestthing, man.
Dai Manuel (33:48):
You know I like it.
Dr. Rob Bell (33:50):
Some of the tough ones are like the, you know, the
David Goggins, like 48 hour,like four by four, by 48.
Dai Manuel (33:56):
Like I've done those Wow.
Dr. Rob Bell (33:59):
And it's just remind ourselves like look, this
weekend will be over.
But what's the lesson that Ican learn when I'm going through
this suffering here and thereason why those are sometimes
more difficult?
Because there's not enough,it's not an ultimate goal.
You know, you're not trainingfor race, you're just training
to train buddy.
I think that's the best part is, when you are just doing
(34:20):
something for no other sake,then you'd rather not do it like
william james philosophy.
When it comes to that, right,like when you get to the point
where you're doing somethingbecause you simply don't want to
do it.
That's the mental toughest part, right?
Um, but that's how I kind ofprepare for and train.
That is, just make everythingthat's workout.
Mental toughest part right, butthat's how I kind of prepare
for it in training.
Man is just make everythingthat's workout-driven.
So when I would write a book,I'd write for one hour every day
(34:42):
.
I'd have notes with methroughout the day.
But one hour every day, man,and that's how I approach it.
Dai Manuel (34:53):
And it's owning your time, and I guess what I mean
by that is like I, I do live onmy calendar.
My wife and I joke about it attimes and she'll be like, oh
yeah we have this thing.
Like, did you send me a calendarinvite for that?
Well, no, like, well, I I don'tthink I can do that and it's
like it's got to be on mycalendar.
(35:13):
Like I'm big on time'm big ontime blocking, you know, but I
also like to color coordinate itso I know at the end of the
week if I'm reviewing, or at theend of the month or a quarter,
I can see, okay, well, how muchwas dedicated to my fitness, you
know, how much was dedicated tomy family, you know, and I just
color coordinate it so I can.
The nice thing about Googlecalendar it does it will give
you a.
As long as you take the extratime to tag everything correctly
(35:33):
, you can start to analyze andsee patterns right.
Or see, I didn't work on thatbusiness project that I really
thought would be off the groundnow, but when I look at my time
and energy, I really didn't putthat much into it.
So I can't be disappointed witha lack of results.
Dr. Rob Bell (35:52):
And that's why you were so successful, man, is
because the real power is in thedebrief.
You have the test first andthen you get the lesson
afterwards.
Right, you got the test of therace.
Man Race didn't go well, oh,what did I learn from it?
Well, what was my training fromit?
What was lacking in that?
I've bonked in races before man.
I bonked in a Boston Marathon,the one race that you do not
(36:15):
want to bonk in.
Right, you want to have a greatperformance for that.
Well, what was wrong with thetraining, man?
Well, here in Indiana, here inIndianapolis, not a lot of hills
.
How much hill training didtrails, if I'm trail running,
but not on the road?
You know, buddy, I know this.
I studied the race course.
(36:40):
I've done trails.
Man Could be the same thing.
Well, in trail races, you'rewalking up a lot of those hills.
You're not sprinting up thosesuckers.
Right, you got 50 miles, man,you're power hiking.
Well, in road races, you're notpower hiking up that stuff.
So my point is is like you gotto deep breathe.
You have to look at and see man, do an autopsy on the body.
(37:04):
Right, that's what I love Do anautopsy on the body.
Look at the body?
What was the cause of death?
Where did we go right?
Where did we go wrong?
And that's, that's suchpowerful stuff.
People were to do.
That exponentially, you improveupon life.
Dai Manuel (37:25):
Love this.
I, I, you know, and I'm likeI'm looking at the time, I'm
like, oh man, I could just keepjamming with you all day long
and I already know I'm gettingback next season and every
season thereafter already,because I just feel there's so
much.
I know people are taking away,they're nodding at their, their,
their well, whether I was goingto say, listening to their on
the radio on the way to work,but you know, and everyone's got
the Bluetooth.
But either way, I know peopleare digging this and you have an
(37:48):
awesome podcast, the mentaltoughness podcast, and you've
had a bunch of amazing guests onyour show.
I want to just ask you you knowwhat has been some of the most
surprising or takeawayconversations that you've
experienced since starting yourpodcast?
Because you've had just such awide breadth of different types
(38:08):
of people, but obviously theyall, in their own right, have a
certain way of tackling theirlives you know, and so what?
what are some of the biggestlessons that you've sort of
taken away by having theseconversations, cause I know that
also comes into some of yourbooks right, like in your talks,
like I know that you referencea lot of these wonderful
examples of people that aredoing amazing things, and so,
(38:31):
please, and don't worry everyone, all this is linked to one of
the books, the website, the freeresources that Dr Rob's
offering up, as well as a linkto his podcast, which you're
definitely going to want to gosubscribe to.
It is like you need that littlepick me up in the morning to
get out of bed and kick butt.
Uh, well, tune in, dr Rob,please.
Uh, what are some of thoselessons?
Dr. Rob Bell (38:51):
No, I appreciate it, man, some of those lessons.
No, I appreciate it, man.
I.
Just one of the questions Ikind of ask is about, like their
hinge moment, so that oneperson, one moment, one event
that made all the difference intheir lives.
It connected who they were withwho they became.
We have multiple hinge momentsthroughout our life, but it's
the tragedies that happen in ourlife, you know, getting fired,
(39:12):
death of a, of a loved one,right, cancer, I mean, I mean
the real tragedies that happen.
And the part that has struckout to me is that people's worst
day end up becoming sometimestheir best.
Now, they would never wish thetragedy that they went through,
(39:32):
but that is life, unfortunately,man, life we know is not fair.
There are a lot of difficultand uncontrollable things that
happen.
How people have responded, fromnever getting to any point in
(39:56):
time to getting one shot, tobeing an alternate and then
winning a championship.
You know, I ask him and that'sthe part that just really sticks
with me is their hinge moments,from somebody getting hit by a
car on her bike, car on her bike, her last ride before she's
(40:19):
getting ready to ride across theUnited States, to then that
dream now gets put on hold forfive years, um, to deal with,
you know, the fractures, man,that all the pain she had to go
through to finally finishing it.
And then hearing, like her story, man, it's, it's inspired, it's
like you, you did all this toride across the United States
(40:40):
Again, I'm a, I'm a Yankee,right, I'm in the United States.
And you know what her responsewas Like when she got to the
other side she was like sad.
It was all, all the preparation, everything into it, man, she
was actually kind of sad.
Yes, she was happy to be done,of course, but there becomes so
much effort and goes into thejourney that we go through, that
(41:03):
the process becomes moreimportant than the product they
apply it.
That's the part, I think, thatjust motivates me, man, and,
like you know, to hear people'sstruggles, to what they go
through, how do they overcome it, and that's the part it really
just sticks with me, man, it'stheir hinge moments and what
(41:26):
they do with that pain andlesson this too shall pass, and
you know man.
Dai Manuel (41:34):
And even when it passes, it's amazing how we can
look back and really gleam thelearnings from it.
You know, and that sort ofcomes back to the whole debrief
idea, right, it's like, yeah, Igot through it, and I and we
hear about that sort of when,when champions finish, right,
they'd finished, they've won,but even though they've won,
(41:55):
they've won, but even thoughthey've won, they've recognized
oh gosh, new season beginstomorrow.
You know, it's like here we goagain and and I guess that's the
perpetuity of life andrecognizing, but you've gained
so much more experience andknowledge on the, the process to
getting right or, as the angstcan say, process.
So, uh, in the case, you got myCanadian accent there my
process, uh, anyways, uh, um,you know, I, I recognize in the
(42:20):
time where we're going to, Iwant to respect the audience.
They know that we've tried tokeep it, uh, under an hour at
the very least.
Uh, if there was.
Well, actually, before I askthis question, cause I think
this is sort of in line of Ialways like to give my guests
the, the last word.
For people that want to connectwith you, at least just follow
along, because I love followingyou on social.
(42:40):
I think there's just some greatinspiration, motivation, but,
more importantly, educationthat's accessible for all of us.
What would be the idealplatform?
Because I know everyone's like,I can't follow all of them.
But for you yourself, what isyour platform that you enjoy
using the most to connect withan audience?
Dr. Rob Bell (42:57):
Man, I love connecting with them over email,
to be honest, because that'sthe time where I really just
kind of get to give quickhitters and pointers in terms of
where I'm at and what's goingon and what's coming up and
lessons and what we need to do,and I bet it's still really my
favorite one.
(43:17):
You know, yeah, there'sInstagram, man, there's Twitter
apps and I'm on those andLinkedIn as well, but those
social media platforms I stilllike kind of holding the space
for people to reply and peoplethat reply, man, I always get
back to everybody.
You know, sometimes it takes alittle bit and I'll let them
(43:38):
know that, like, let me thinkabout this one, uh, but I'll
even ask them you know, hey,what is it you want to hear,
what you want to know more about?
You know?
So connect them with with myaudience that's growing
throughout the year or so on, uhon email.
Dai Manuel (43:50):
That's my favorite one well, that's, uh, an easy
one, everyone, because you'regoing to go get some of those
free resources that dr rob'sproviding, as well as get on his
newsletter and doing so so youcan be able to start connecting
with dr rob through email.
Uh, but be sure to check outsome of the other links in in
the show notes.
You just click that littlebutton on your wherever you're
listening to this, and there'sall hyperlinked there.
So make it nice and easy.
(44:11):
Grab a copy of the, the book,connect with Rob and you know
what, do yourself a favor tostart shifting your perspective
for your next hinge moment inlife, so when you're called to
action, you're ready to take itand feeling prepared for those
moments and listen.
Dr Rob, thank you for beinghere today.
I'm so grateful for youallowing me the time to surely
(44:34):
dive into some of these topics.
I'm excited to have you back togo even deeper on a few of
these, because I know we'regoing to get some audience
people reaching out withquestions, and that just means
I'm going to have to get youback to answer them.
Dr. Rob Bell (44:45):
So I'm going to have you on my podcast here this
summer.
Dai Manuel (44:51):
Can't wait, man.
Dr. Rob Bell (44:52):
I'm there, I am so there.
Dai Manuel (44:53):
It's not's not even funny and and you know I always
like to give my guests last word.
If there's people there sort ofI, I guess what would be your
advice, you know to, to for theaudience who are looking to
enhance their mental toughnessyou know, whether it's in sports
, maybe their career goshpersonal lives, what would be
(45:16):
something you'd like to leavethem with today?
Um?
Dr. Rob Bell (45:20):
you know it's.
It's on the same scene that Ithink you talk about man, two
percent, right, like you justgot to pick one area, one small
thing, and start with that.
Make that your masterpiece.
Don't care what it is, man, butone small thing, and other
things start to line up.
When we do that, we get in thewhole habit of setting smart
(45:44):
goals and all that, and we set10 different things we want to
do in order to lose 10 pounds.
We do maybe one of them welland the others are junk, junk,
and then it brings us downanyway because we, you know,
weren't really focused on theone thing.
So we picked the one thing thatwe really want to focus on and
then, if I could leave it withthis and I'll leave at this
(46:05):
point, please it's kind of likewith puke and rally, like it's
not about the setback, it'sabout the comeback.
It's always going to be aboutthe comeback.
So, no matter how well you'redoing, there are going to be
about the comeback.
So, no matter how well you'redoing, there are going to be
setbacks.
And the point is, is the onequote that I hate in life is
that if you fall down seven, youget up eight, and here's why I
hate that.
Okay, down for the seventh time.
(46:37):
You remember the third, thefourth and the fifth time that
you fell and all the feelings ofthe failure, the dread, how
painful it is.
All that stuff comes back andhaunts you and that is what
keeps you from putting yourselfout there again, when what we
need to do, man, is you got torealize when you fall down, when
you fail and it's okay to sayfail, man like there's failure
(46:57):
and feedback, but when thathappens, you just have to focus
on that one and not bring allthe past experiences and junk
with you, because you're so muchbetter off now than what you
were before.
You've just got to focus on thisone, this occasion, right here,
and just focus on coming backfrom that.
So if you miss the gym, justdon't miss tomorrow.
(47:20):
If you eat the piece of cake,you don't have to eat the whole
cake.
And that's the part that I seethat messes up so many people.
We mess up the one time.
Oh, man, see, I knew deep downI couldn't do that, because
you're thinking back to thethird and fourth and fifth time
you fell, when you just got tofocus and isolate it on this one
, right here, that's.
That's the mic drop that I canleave.
(47:44):
I was like my mic right in theground right now, because that
was awesome.
Dai Manuel (47:48):
And oh, I love it.
Thank you, Dr Rob.
That was just.
I'm feeling like I want to goto the gym right now.
I'm like you fired me up and Ialways love that.
But my guests, you know I cometo these conversations feeling
really good but I always leavefeeling great and you've
definitely delivered on that.
So thank you again for beinghere today, dr Rob.
Everybody reminder I'll see youin the outro.
(48:11):
We'll recap everything that DrRob left us with today.
And don't hesitate, reach outto him, get on his email list
and start a conversation,because you know what that one
little thing will be, the thingthat changes.
Thanks again, rob.
Thanks brother.
Thank you for tuning intoanother lightning episode of the
(48:37):
2% Solution Podcast.
We hope Dr Bell's insights onmental toughness and patience
inspired you as much as theyinspired us.
Remember, everyone is anathlete in their own right and
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(49:24):
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