June 21, 2025 • 37 mins
Explore the minds of pro wrestlers as we engage in thought-provoking conversations about their wrestling styles, character development, and the artistry behind their performances.
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Hey everybody, this is the man with the Pogo, Milo Mira and
this is the Three Count podcast.Welcome everybody to another
great addition of the three Count podcast resents now wins
ring and now I'm your host, Clifford Red Dog Miller, the man
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that leads you up there mount togo wrestling and with this being
season, you know, 6 or 430 something episode.
I would just hope you say with me.
I am your Sherman because like your tribal chief acknowledge
me, but like every good Sherpa, you got to have someone who's
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been there, done that, and can do it more efficient than you
can. That's why it's never about me.
It's about who's entering. So who's entering?
You can find this man at chaotic.
You can find him at wrestling open.
You can find him at Limitless, PPW, APW, RAD, Pro, Focus Pro.
He is traveling all over. He is the extreme athlete, the
miraculous. He's the man who holds two world
records, actually held two worldrecords, currently still holds
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one. He's the man of the Pogo.
He is Milo Mira. Hey Red Dog, how's it going?
What a what an intro. What a what an intro.
I think you hit every single nickname I've gone by.
No, I was so I I I like the, youknow, good research.
You know, you got to have like these, Yeah, elaborate intros.
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Because I mean, if you, if you're doing a podcast and
you're coming out with like lameenergy, like no one's going to
listen to you. I feel that.
I feel that for sure. I, I've been a part of some
podcasts where you guys are like, hey, welcome everybody to
our podcast. We're here with red dog.
Red dog. How are you feeling today?
I'm just like, where am I? Yeah, it's like stuff I'd like
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put on to fall asleep too. I was like, listen there,
there's there is a, there is a personality out there for those
kind of things, right? And I do like some of them.
But if you're trying to be the Bob Ross of like podcasting, a
lot of people are going to just listen to you, to snooze to you.
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They're not going to pay that. So you gotta get them, you gotta
catch them right away. Yeah, No, So we've met a couple
times. So we actually met, we met at
Chaotic and then we actually metat Focus Pro.
That's where we actually sat down and actually chatted it up.
And I got so encapsulated by your story about like your
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extreme athlete Pogo, like Pogo career.
And I was just fascinated. I was like, yo, I'm, I'm beyond
words. I just got to, I got to bring
you on and talk to you. So we we've kind of had this
into words for a little bit, butI'm very excited to have you on
the show today though. Yeah, I feel like the first time
we talked about it was like Focus Pro, like when I first
started on shows, it was like 2 years ago.
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Lots happened. A lot of a lot of wrestling's
happened as well. So I'm excited to talk about it.
Yeah, no. So let's well, one, I kind of
want to, I want to talk about the name a little bit, right,
Because I also, and I'm a I'm anavid fan of extreme sports,
right? So I've been following for been
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following the X Games almost since it was created, like when
it really took mainstream into like ESPN back in like, I want
to say like 9596. So you know, Ryan Nyquist and
Dave Mirra and Tony Hawk and Travis Lostrana and the names
could just rattle on for days, man.
I'm just curious, like how did you come up with the name?
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Yeah, So you know, it's the same, same story, right?
Like, I, I grew up watching extreme sports, like the X Games
was like the coolest thing to meever.
I remember like sitting in my grandma's house when I was like
8 years old. It was like way too late for me
to be up at like 8 and watching Travis Pastrana hit a double
backflip during Best trick for for motocross.
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And I was like, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen in
my life, right? Like the pop of the crowd and
everything like that, like immediately drew me into extreme
sports and BMX was one of my favorites to watch.
I never was good at doing BMX myself, but like watching BMX
was like the sickest. And my favorite BMX rider was
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Dave Mirra. And so when I was coming into
wrestling and I was like, ah, maybe I'll do like an extreme
sports character to kind of go with the Pogo stick and all the
extreme sports stuff I've done in my life.
You know, maybe I should take anextreme sports athlete's name so
that like the people who get it,they'll get it, right?
Like they know it, they know it,right.
So Mira was like the the choice of the last name.
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And then I kind of just picked the first name as like I was
like, what's a unique name? I like that kind of fits with
Mira and Milo fit pretty well. This is Milo Mira, and yeah, it
fits pretty well. It's it's crazy.
So you mentioned Travis Vastrano, the double backflip.
You were eight when you saw thathappen.
Yeah, Yeah. I.
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I don't remember how old I was when I saw that happen.
I remember I remember watching Travis Pastrana throw the first
backflip and bailing off his motorcycle and just throwing it
up in the air just 'cause he, hedidn't know what to expect.
He threw it up and like, he, he threw it off this off this edge
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and he threw it and it landed and the bike shattered, right.
And a crowd went ape shit for it.
And it was in Los Angeles. It was like an afternoon show.
I remember him doing it there because he had just won the
freestyle competition. And then the next year, the
crowd was like encouraging him to try to do a backflip.
So he did like a ghost ride backflip.
He just let it go. He just rolled off the bat
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because he's like, I'm scared. I'm not even going to play.
He's like, I'm scared of doing abackflip.
And then the following year was when Carey Hart bailed that 20
foot backflip and I was like, dude lacerated his liver,
shattered his pelvis like my mangot.
Hurt. And then after that, like, it's
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been weird to think about that, like, especially when motocross,
like watching that happen. And that was like, I think it
was like 2001. I saw the first backflip get
landed. Yeah.
And then I remember reading, like, an ESPN article.
I was like 2006 and they're talking about best trick.
And they're like, yeah. And here's this person just
doing a simple backflip. And I was like, I really just
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read that like that. We just, we're just like, yeah,
man, he just did a backflip likea big deal.
Like it's still a big deal to me.
Yeah, dude, it's, it's insane. Like I think like being in a
like being in an extreme sport and like doing it at like a high
level for, for my extreme sport.Like I'm pogoing small.
Like I can't like compare it to motocross or anything like that.
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Like it's a small community, butlike even in a small community
of an extreme sport, like the progression as things get landed
is insane. Like when I started Pogo
sticking, the first front flip on a Pogo stick had never been
landed. And so throughout my career,
I've seen a ton of world firsts on the Pogo stick happen in an
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extreme sport. So it's like that, those
progressions as things happen inextreme sports is is crazy.
People like you always think that that's the craziest thing
I'm going to see. Like when I watched Travis just
trying to do the double backflow, I was like, nobody's
ever going to top that. That's the coolest thing ever.
Nobody's ever going to top that.And now you have like all these
insane crazy flips happening. People are like throwing double
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backflips in their freestyle runs and stuff in the next
games. It's it's crazy.
It's crazy. The progression it, it always
just keeps going up and up and up.
I thought it was crazy when I saw someone do a backflip with a
heart attack and I was like, it's not going to get any
crazier than this. And then I saw, I remember Brian
Deegan. See, this is how like I
remember, like I remember Brian Deegan throwing down the 1st 360
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backflip and then like he he tried to do it in on ice because
they had the motocross for ice or in the in the Winter Games
and he tried to throw it down and the pet like he landed it,
but like he didn't fully land itbecause the bike landed
sideways. He landed on top and it hit him
like right in the side and like he was out like he was just
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done. And he's like, yeah, but he him
and he was going after somebody else.
I can't remember. There's another dude who was
doing 360 backflips into a foam pit and Deegan was less needling
this the guy. Well, you do into a foam pit.
I do it the old school way. And I was like, why are we
doing? Why are we doing it the old
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school way? But.
It's yeah, I can't that that like old school mentality of
like we need to go through the pain.
No, bro, we have we have the technology.
Don't do it. We can save our bodies.
We can save, which is a lot likewrestling.
You don't have to do all these things.
We can save our body. Yeah, yeah.
But Speaking of like things thatgo viral, like 360 backflips,
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you are Mr. Viral right now likeyou have been.
It is it is video after video after video after video of you
just well, go sick. Like how?
How are you feeling with all that?
I mean, it's it's been crazy, right?
Like so I had the like the firstclip that went viral was from
the Limitless Rumble in like December of last year and that
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kind of picked up and that had that got a million views on
Instagram and I was like, Oh my God, this is crazy.
And so that happened. And then it was like a lot of
other people started reposting all of my clips.
And then you know, Fast forward to like 2 weeks ago, an
Instagram page called Fuck Jerrywith 20 million followers.
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Post it all over the place and then I'm like, Oh my God, this
is this is insane. I had people all over the
woodworks like from my past and everywhere just like sending it
to me being like, is this you? Is this you?
I had to say yes so many times. I was like, it's a it's a Pogo
stick guy that you know, like itkind of looks like me.
It's probably me. Well, like it was funny because
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like I was sitting at home and then my phone blows up and like
a bunch of my friends and my andmy uncle all like they all know
like, oh, look, you know, cliffsand professional wrestling,
let's send this to him. And then people were sending me
things like, hey, this needs to be in your repertoire.
And I'm like, first of all, that's my friend.
No, like I would never just like, Oh yeah, let me just let
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me just do this because this looks simple.
It's like, first of all, I know how much practice you put into
that and how much work it goes into.
I was like, I'm not going to do that, but like it was just funny
because then I started just screenshot everybody who was
sending it to me and I would just send it to you.
And I was just like, yeah, yeah,look at this, look at this.
I was like you just. But it was crazy because it's
one thing when it goes from likeInstagram, but when you
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crossover to another medium, like another social media app,
like like Facebook and then Twitter.
And then also you find yourself on TikTok and you're just hit
after hit after hit after hit. I just keep seeing people like
people were attacking me and I was like, I know who this is.
And I actually had mentioned to somebody, I was like, I
mentioned that one person. I was like, yeah, he's coming on
the podcast. We're going to talk to him
about. And everybody's like, really?
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You have to tag me? You bro.
I was like, OK, like. Thanks for what?
I'm honored. I'm honored that they they want
to hear me talk about stuff, butit's yeah, no, it's, it's been,
it's been insane. I think like, you know, it, it's
just, it's just crazy cause so many people who aren't wrestling
fans saw it, right? Like, and that's, that's crazy
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to me. It's like, you know, I, I, it
feels really good and validatingfor like non wrestling people to
see it and be like, that's really cool.
So it's been a lot of fun to seethe reaction to it and see what
everybody's has to say. You know, it has its taters, it
has its lovers. You know, it's it's, but I have
fun doing it and I love it. Yeah, as it should.
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It should have It's haters because like if you're not
having anybody hating on you forsomething that you did, fuck
them like. Yeah, right, right, right.
Exactly, I just I look at I lookat it and I thought I saw like
some big name accounts that werelike good.
This is this is ruining the sport.
I'm like, shut up, bro. Like you were literally you're
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doing the job. Like you are literally giving
other people an opportunity to see something that would
normally not be seen and you're talking about.
So I always talk about them likeman, whether they hate you or
they love you man, just let themspread your brand.
Who cares? Yep.
Yeah. No, I, I don't, I, I take it all
on the chin. I, I, I tweet the occasional
angry tweet at the IWC, but it, it, I generally keep it in.
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So yeah. I I talk about a group of people
that I just the minority of the I, not all of you at the ITBC,
but the minority of y'all that just complain to complain, man,
it always gets me. It always gets me.
But my question really for you is like, because you've been
getting hit with these viral videos, right?
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Has those like opened up opportunities for you like in
other places that you just wouldhave thought you were going to
go to? For sure.
Yeah, like I've, I've been in talks with a with a company in
Kentucky to, to fly out there and do a show that probably
would have never happened. Like they probably wouldn't have
reached out to me if I didn't have viral clips, which is,
which is pretty crazy. It's definitely helped in the
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New England area as well. Just like the fans know me more
now. They've seen the clips When I,
when I show up with the Pogo stick, people are like even
people who like maybe don't knowme by name are like, oh, oh
shit, I've seen that. I've seen that guy.
So yeah, it's been, it's been a lot of fun.
That's awesome though. Well, OK, so I I've known like
you said, we talked about how you were like an extreme Pogo
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pogoist. And for those who don't know,
what 2 world records, the one that he held and the one that he
currently holds. Yeah, the 100 meter dash.
Yeah, so, so, so I, I, you have it a little bit wrong and I'll,
I'll correct you, but it's OK. So it's it's so I have, I've
only held one world record in mylife, which was, I don't hold it
anymore. It was former world record and
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it was for the 100 meter dash ona Pogo stick.
I was the first one to set the record.
So we did like a whole competition with the Guinness
official and stuff and I ended up winning and that was cool.
So now I have like the plaque inmy in my kitchen.
It's hanging up there and it's just hanging out.
It's a nice talking piece when people come over.
But I have two World Championships in Pogo sticking
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which is the where the two the two World Championships come
from so. Well, I thought you held the
record for most. Most people are doing a backflip
simultaneously on a Pogo stick. Oh my God, yeah, you're actually
entirely correct. Hey, I forgot about that one.
This guy, This guy right here does a freak.
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That's great. That's great research.
That's great research. Yeah, I totally forgot about
that. Yeah.
No, I am. I am a part of that.
I that might have gotten broken though this year, like since we
talked about it, it might have gotten broken.
So yeah, so I guess I have held two world records.
I forgot about that. And I also think I was at a
baseball stadium the same night that they did like most must
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fake mustaches in a crowd. So I think 3.
That's actually I want to see that record because I want to
also be AI want to partake in a world record where it's
something like that. Yeah, I think about those things
where it's like a world record for like, like you like, I don't
even know, like fastest slide onlike fastest slide on the slip
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and slide with nachos, like a thing that's just so minute that
no one else would be like, yo, what?
Let me break that. Let me set that record.
Like what is that record? And I just want to see like I, I
want to just attempt because it's crazy to think like, like
no one's ever going to take thisaway from you that you were the
inaugural person to set the likeno one can ever take that from
me, which is so cool. And I'm like seeing you with the
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obviously at multiple World Championships.
And then I'm just, I'm, I'm flabbergasted because I'm like,
I've always been curious about like scoring wise for like
extreme sports, because I see like how judges score, like, you
know, the half pipe for skaters.And I'm just like, how do they,
how do they, how do they discipline this?
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Like where they're like, yo, these are these are our grading.
Performances. Yeah, talking to you about it, I
get. I get to actually find this
information out now. Yeah, so I've actually been a
judge at Pogo World Championships a few times.
I'm actually going to be a judgethis year as well.
So it's, it's funny because it'slike, I don't really like
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there's no answer to this as to like how judges decide the
score. Like it's just like vibes.
I don't know, like, like I, I feel like when you're like
really into an action sport or really into an extreme sport,
there's like a level of understanding you have for the
sport that like some people who maybe aren't so familiar with it
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will see the thing and be like, oh, that's really cool.
But like some of the easier things that look really cool,
they might get louder for or something like that.
But like when you're a judge, you recognize kind of like the
and like you've done the sport for a really long time.
You recognize kind of like the really big intricacies and what
they're doing. It's kind of like it's, it's
like pro wrestling, right? When you're training as a pro
wrestler, like when you watch wrestling now, right, like you,
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you know, the insurance and outsof like what they're doing.
So it's kind of like that when you're a judge for an extreme
sports competition, like, you know, the insurance and outs of
what they're doing, you know, it's really hard.
You know what's easier to do? You know what's a big risk,
what's not? And so you kind of just use that
and like whoever does in extremesports, it's like whoever does
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the riskiest thing, the coolest thing, things that's never been
done before, like that's going like, and gets the crowd super
hot. Like that's what's going to win
an extreme sports competition. So yeah.
I think about that a lot becauselike I've recently saw I was
watching so we do a live, we do the watch alongs here right on
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podcast and we're I was watchingSaturday night main event and I
had to I was watching it, but I was actively watching it as like
a wrestler and I realized like midway through I was like, Oh, I
can't do this. I have to, like, I have to turn
this off because otherwise I have to let myself get capped
like in the same instance, get captivated with like the
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audience because like I'm watching that and I'm just like,
OK, here comes, yeah, here comesbreakdown.
Yeah, alright, He here we go small, he alright, Hope spot.
And I was like, think about it. And I was like this the whole
time. And I was like, oh, I got to
stop doing this. Yeah.
You're you're you're more so studying than you are like
watching things for fun. Yeah, I know that feel for sure.
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Well, I was actually I. I was watching Battleground
before I came on the podcast today and I was like, I'm
watching the matches and I'm just like, I'm like critiquing
them in my head and like lookingat like what I would have done
differently. And it's like, you know, but the
crowd loved it, has loved every match on the card I've watched
so far. Like, they've loved every match.
So I'm like, they're doing things right.
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The crowd loves it. So, you know, there might be
things I personally would have done differently, but like, you
know, teach their own. Yeah, well, like I try to watch
wrestling. Like when I go to watch and
study, I watch it without sound.I was like because it is the, it
is easy to get yourself captivated and wrapped up into
it when there's like when the crowd's going into it and you're
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getting into it too. So I try to watch it now muted
because I'm like if I can watch it muted, I could kind of see
like all right, this is what we're doing here.
I can see crowds reaction in thebackground.
I can start watching. Sorry y'all get this cool inside
knowledge I like to talk about, but I like doing that stuff now.
So I'll watch a match probably like 3 or 4 times and then I'll
start I'll watch it the first time because I'm like I actually
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wanted to watch this. Let me get myself wrapped up
into it like a time. I'll watch it muted and then
I'll watch it where I just like focus on them, and then I'll
focus on the crowd because I want to see like what moves got
the crowd popping and when and where.
Yeah, absolutely. That's those are those are
things that I do now and I statestudy.
So I'm just like, it's crazy. But I would think like as a
judge to like you've seen it all.
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So you're kind of like, and likeyou said, like you kind of, you
have to pull yourself out of like the fan element and then
put yourself into like. Yeah.
This is what I would have done and I kind of see what they're
trying to aim for. Yeah, it, and also like when it
comes to like the actual like number score of things, you're
really kind of doing it off yourown scale, like whatever your
scale is, right. Like I tend to like rank things
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like based on things I've seen in the competition already.
So it's like if I gave somethingan 80 before, like I'm going to
give it an 80 again or I or higher if they do something
cool, I think is cooler. Like so I find like what my
baseline is for like a trick or like a, you know, like a run in
my mind and like I'll think that's the average run.
That's like a 75. Like how much better than that
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that they do? How much worse than than that
did they do? And then that's like kind of how
I base the number scores. But you know, that's like nitty
gritty stuff. No, I got you.
So let's jump into like the wrestling side of things.
I can talk about like extreme sports.
Me too, if you couldn't tell I Icould as well.
This is like, like I said, man, I there's a long time for the
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long like the longest time I would just watch the X Games
strictly just for MX freestyle and MX big tricks and big air.
And then I remember they broughtin, I forgot who they brought in
for like best tail whip. And I was like, I don't care.
I get it. This is a cool trick, but I
don't care, yo. So talk to me about the moment
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that got you into pro wrestling because you know, being an
extreme athlete, how what was what was the deciding factor
that made you want to be in? So like I've, I've been a fan my
whole life. I like, I grew up on it.
My older brother is 12 years older than me and he was super
into pro wrestling. And so as I grew up, you know, I
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idolized my older brother. So I watched wrestling with him
and I became a huge fan. And so, you know, I kind of had
that fandom throughout my whole life.
I always had like, you know, because of the extreme sports.
I always had like the thing in the back of my mind that was
like, you can be a pro wrestler.Like you see this, you can do
flips, you can do all this stuff.
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Like you don't care about falling and getting hurt.
Like you can do this. So, you know, that was always on
the back of my mind. Like it especially was creeping
up and like I was in college andI was like, oh man, I I want to
be a wrestler. This is so cool.
I was like watching Monday nightraw every week and like going
going to as many pay per views that were near me.
Like it was I was trying to go to so many wrestling shows.
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And so I decided I was going to graduate college.
I graduated college, I was goingto go start training.
COVID hit and so I didn't start training.
And so I waited until after COVID and said, you know, I'm
not doing Pogo shows anymore andI kind of want to get that
performance aspect back in my life.
So I went to a fantasy camp at Nepala and signed up the next
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class and haven't looked back. So yeah.
Yeah, I've actually so I did a couple classes at Nepala.
I love that place, man, That place is phenomenal.
Yeah, it's incredible. The amount of talent that feeds
through there is insane to me. Like just watching the the the
list of names of people who we've gone through and just even
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to put one over. And I know I'm going to bring
her on the show eventually, but Spike is doing like a yeah.
She's killing it. Yeah, she's killing it.
Especially when she, like you say, her debut in Japan, Yeah,
she's just killing it over there.
And I'm. Like, yeah, incredible.
Great for her. No, it's, it's great.
I mean, Spike and I started training at the same time,
literally like 2 weeks, like between when she signed up and I
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signed up. So Spike and I have been kind of
growing up together in this wrestling world.
So it's been, it's been awesome to see her succeed and do all
the things she's been doing. So yeah.
See, and I came to I remember I came to like a Saturday class in
the morning with Tyree. him and I were talking and then we I was
working with some of the others,other students.
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And I remember Spike like first Spike and I was first
interaction. She was like, well, we're going
to let more mature people go with other mature people.
I was like, OK, well, I've been doing this for just about five
years. And she was like, OK, well, I'm
going to go over here. And I was like, no, but I want
to work with you. And she was like, it's fine.
And so we end up catching up later.
But it was just funny at that moment, Like to see her and then
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like to watch everybody kind of grow and push.
And yeah, when you develop, it'sit's awesome, like I said.
And I remember Landing being there too, you know, right
before he moved. Yeah.
So I can, I mean, I love watching y'all like do your
thing and just keep watching theshow continue to grow.
Yeah, but for you, like watchingyou go to wrestling open and
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face off like TJ Crawford. I was like, uh oh, now we're
going to start seeing the levelsare going to start growing
because this man is about to just explode off the scene and
here we are. Yeah, it's, it's been crazy
dude. I've been, I've gotten so lucky
this like this year alone, I've gotten to wrestle like so many
people who are on my like list of people.
I really wanted to wrestle like it.
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Within the last like 6 months. I've wrestled Die Jack, Ricky
Smokes, TJ Crawford, Anthony Green mortar.
Like there's others. I'm like not listing and like
I've been taking oh, Channing Thomas.
Like there's so many people. Like I've gotten to wrestle so
many great matches over the lastsix months.
Like it's I've been so like incredible, like I'm literally
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living my childhood dream and it's been so much fun.
So, yeah, I mean, like, it's been awesome to like, get to go
to Wrestling Open now and like, you know, show up there every
once in awhile. And I have like we had the
Dave's Hot Chicken match a couple weeks ago and that was a
ton of fun. I got to come out of the Dave's
Hot Chicken Cape. Incredible.
(26:18):
Yeah. So, you know, I get to do silly
things like that with the Pogo stick and it's, it's, it's, it's
super, super fun. I've been.
I've been. Grateful for the opportunities
that they've given to me. Yeah, I've been captivated.
I've been watching like I watched some product, so I know
exactly what's happening. And then on Twitch, you guys can
also catch the Chaotic show. So I've been also watching
(26:39):
Chaotic. Yeah, so.
Just watching you kind of continue to grow.
And then, you know, we catch up at Focus Pro and we see and you
know, I just keep watching. I'm just like, damn, dude, this
guy's, he's doing great things. And I can't wait till that one
day where like whether it's in Providence or in Massachusetts
or in Boston or even Hartford, CT, I don't care that you get
(26:59):
that call for like, AW, to come to do this, do some extra work.
I'm like, yeah, y'all, y'all about to find out like why he's
there. I appreciate that.
I appreciate that. I, I hope so.
We'll, we'll see what happens. I'm kind of just going with the
flow of things right now and it's been a ton of fun.
So. Exactly.
So let me ask you man, you've been in for a couple years.
I just need to know what's the worst bump you've taken so far.
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Oh the worst bump I've taken. It had to be for sure an all out
war last year, Chaotic. So a lot of people might know me
for my fun loving Pogo stick riding character Milo Mira the
extreme athlete. But those who follow chaotic
wrestling know me as the miraculous Milo Mira, a member
of the I don't know religious cult satanic worshipping crazy
(27:47):
God's greatest creations. So yeah, I so last year we had
what we called the All Out Holy War.
It was the baby faces the angelsof chaotic against the the
Devils of the GGC. And so the the worst bump I've
taken there I took in that matchand it was my team mates Jariel
(28:08):
Rivera and Max Smashmaster Arcturus holding up Tyree for a
powerbomb and I gave him a blockbuster through a door while
I landed on a bunch of tacks from a top rope blockbuster and
that sucked. Landing on about 200 thumbtacks
(28:28):
from like 8 feet in the air was not fun, but it looked really
cool. So I bet it did.
I bet it did. No, it did look cool.
I just know, like I just have toask, let me ask, I've never gone
through thumbtacks nor do I wantto ever.
Sorry guys. Did you feel like initially when
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it when you do? It again, yeah, I said I'd do it
again for sure. What was it like afterwards?
You just getting them pulled out.
It was like, you know, you have the adrenaline flow in after a
match. So like, actually, like, I
didn't have that many stuck intomy back because we were wearing
shirts. Like we were wearing like cut
off shirts. So yeah, a lot of them got stuck
to the shirt and Smash Master was nice enough to come over to
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me after the spot and pull tacksout of my shirt for me, which
was really nice of him because Ihad a bunch of big bumps coming
still. And yeah, so like they got out
pretty quickly because the adrenaline was flowing.
Once the adrenaline's flowing, it like wasn't it wasn't too bad
to get him out. So that's probably why my
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brain's like, yeah, I'll do it again.
Yeah, we'll just hit it one moretime.
Why not So that you've been in and I can never take that bump.
I just me, I'm, you know, my age.
Tell me like no, bro, like we'renot we're not we're not.
But you've been there. You've been in for a couple
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years. I'm just kind of curious as to
what's the hardest lesson you'vehad to learn being in the
business the. Hardest lesson I've had to learn
being patient. I think it's probably the the
thing, right? Like, I think you're, there's so
much work that goes into wrestling outside of the
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cameras, right? Like, I think all of us go into
it and we're like, yeah, you getthis glamorous, like you get to
go out into the ring and wrestleand everybody, all the fans love
you. But like there's so much work
that goes into wrestling outsideof wrestling.
Like all of the, you know, you do all the marketing, you do all
the social media, you do all of the, you get get gear, gear's
(30:33):
expensive. You get like all of the all of
the things that go in, like going to the gym a bunch of
times a week, just keep in shapeall that stuff.
You do all that all the time. And you just are hoping for the
opportunities to come and that you can nail those opportunities
when you get them and you hope that they continue to come.
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And sometimes when you're starting out, that is they, the
opportunities are hard to come by and sometimes you make a
mistake and you don't have the best match ever and then you're
waiting again for another opportunity.
So I think, like, the hardest thing wrestling has taught me is
to be like, really patient with everything.
Like, keep doing all the right things and, like, good things
will come in wrestling and, you know, keep being good to other
(31:18):
people and wrestling and, like, good things will come to you.
And that's, yeah, probably beingpatient.
No, I like that though, 'cause Imean, and that's just as a good
advice in life though, but like,definitely like in wrestling,
like it's crazy how like, you know, you, you have all these
admirations and stuff like that and you're putting in all the
work and you think that you're going to be getting somewhere.
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But like, you know, sometimes like the wheel spins and you're
just kind of spinning and, and you'll get your grip and then
you'll take off. And when you take off, like
you're just going to go through the roof.
I said, like you said, you just kind of have to just stay ready
because when time comes, you'll,you'll be ready.
Yeah, for sure. Yo, so let me hop this over to
my favorite part of the three count podcast, which is a three
(32:00):
count podcast, 10 count questions and Mr. Mirror this
how it works. I'm going to fire off 10
questions that you rapid, fast and whatever the answer is, that
is your answer. OK.
So we're going to start we're going to start this off with the
imaginary timer first Bing. And in the words of my favorite
commentator, Mike Goldberg, herewe go.
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Smack down a Raw Smack down favorite TV show.
Severance. That's a good one.
Marvel or DC? Marvel favorite movie?
The Dark Knight That's contradicting.
Great 1 Apple or Android? Apple.
Favorite cartoon? I don't know SpongeBob.
(32:51):
That's. Good, I like that.
Waffles or pancakes? Waffles.
Favorite podcast? Oh, what is?
Oh, it's the Regulation podcast.Yes, nominate one person that
you want to see on this podcast.We talked about her Spike
Nishimura. Yeah, Spike.
(33:13):
Spike definitely belongs on thispodcast.
And then last but not least, my favorite question asks every
single person who comes on this podcast.
Favorite curse word? Oh fuck.
For sure, yeah. It has to be that word, yeah.
So useful. It is, it is an amazing word to
use and a fact that you can like, like I, there was a,
there's a YouTube video, I don'tknow if you're familiar with it,
(33:34):
but it's called like the historyof the F word, which is like
it's just like 2 minutes and 19 seconds.
It's hilarious. I think it's one of the most my
favorite things in life and I talk about it a lot because I
think it was going, it was goingviral before viral was a thing.
Like, I remember watching this video back in like, 2003.
Yeah, but like it. Was like before YouTube so.
(33:55):
Right. But it was like right when
ebaum's world was like a big thing and like, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Those who know, know.
But yeah. So there was like a big
crossover with it. It was hilarious, man.
It was one of my favorite thingsto ever see.
So I recommend people go on YouTube, find the history of the
F word, watch it. I guarantee you'll enjoy that 2,
two minutes and 19 seconds of how you can insert the F word
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into other words to make it evenbetter.
Yo, there's a but these are all my questions for you, man.
So the last thing I need from you is to let our listeners and
our viewers know where they can find you.
Well, Red Dog, thanks for havingme.
You guys can find me on all social media, Milo Mira under
SCORE or you can go to my website www.milomira.com.
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My man got his own web page. Well, he told you about his
social media handles. We actually told you about where
you can find him. Like in Wrestling Wise, where
you can find him, you can find his own his own web page.
You can do all that stuff. So you guys know what to do.
Go out there, give the lights, give the chairs, get the follows
and then make sure you're telling your friends about it.
But like every great part of a wrestling match, we I take this
(35:02):
home 'cause this is a three count podcast was just now it's
ringing. I'm your host, Clifford Red Dog
Miller and a man that leaves youwith that mountain call
wrestling. But like every good Sherpa, it's
never about me. It's about who's entering.
So who's entering? You see him right there, Milo
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Hey everybody, this is the man with the Pogo, Milo Mira and
this is the Three Count podcast.Welcome everybody to another
great addition of the three Count podcast resents now wins
ring and now I'm your host, Clifford Red Dog Miller, the man
(00:23):
that leads you up there mount togo wrestling and with this being
season, you know, 6 or 430 something episode.
I would just hope you say with me.
I am your Sherman because like your tribal chief acknowledge
me, but like every good Sherpa, you got to have someone who's
(00:44):
been there, done that, and can do it more efficient than you
can. That's why it's never about me.
It's about who's entering. So who's entering?
You can find this man at chaotic.
You can find him at wrestling open.
You can find him at Limitless, PPW, APW, RAD, Pro, Focus Pro.
He is traveling all over. He is the extreme athlete, the
miraculous. He's the man who holds two world
records, actually held two worldrecords, currently still holds
(01:07):
one. He's the man of the Pogo.
He is Milo Mira. Hey Red Dog, how's it going?
What a what an intro. What a what an intro.
I think you hit every single nickname I've gone by.
No, I was so I I I like the, youknow, good research.
You know, you got to have like these, Yeah, elaborate intros.
(01:29):
Because I mean, if you, if you're doing a podcast and
you're coming out with like lameenergy, like no one's going to
listen to you. I feel that.
I feel that for sure. I, I've been a part of some
podcasts where you guys are like, hey, welcome everybody to
our podcast. We're here with red dog.
Red dog. How are you feeling today?
I'm just like, where am I? Yeah, it's like stuff I'd like
(01:54):
put on to fall asleep too. I was like, listen there,
there's there is a, there is a personality out there for those
kind of things, right? And I do like some of them.
But if you're trying to be the Bob Ross of like podcasting, a
lot of people are going to just listen to you, to snooze to you.
(02:15):
They're not going to pay that. So you gotta get them, you gotta
catch them right away. Yeah, No, So we've met a couple
times. So we actually met, we met at
Chaotic and then we actually metat Focus Pro.
That's where we actually sat down and actually chatted it up.
And I got so encapsulated by your story about like your
(02:36):
extreme athlete Pogo, like Pogo career.
And I was just fascinated. I was like, yo, I'm, I'm beyond
words. I just got to, I got to bring
you on and talk to you. So we we've kind of had this
into words for a little bit, butI'm very excited to have you on
the show today though. Yeah, I feel like the first time
we talked about it was like Focus Pro, like when I first
started on shows, it was like 2 years ago.
(02:59):
Lots happened. A lot of a lot of wrestling's
happened as well. So I'm excited to talk about it.
Yeah, no. So let's well, one, I kind of
want to, I want to talk about the name a little bit, right,
Because I also, and I'm a I'm anavid fan of extreme sports,
right? So I've been following for been
(03:19):
following the X Games almost since it was created, like when
it really took mainstream into like ESPN back in like, I want
to say like 9596. So you know, Ryan Nyquist and
Dave Mirra and Tony Hawk and Travis Lostrana and the names
could just rattle on for days, man.
I'm just curious, like how did you come up with the name?
(03:40):
Yeah, So you know, it's the same, same story, right?
Like, I, I grew up watching extreme sports, like the X Games
was like the coolest thing to meever.
I remember like sitting in my grandma's house when I was like
8 years old. It was like way too late for me
to be up at like 8 and watching Travis Pastrana hit a double
backflip during Best trick for for motocross.
(04:03):
And I was like, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen in
my life, right? Like the pop of the crowd and
everything like that, like immediately drew me into extreme
sports and BMX was one of my favorites to watch.
I never was good at doing BMX myself, but like watching BMX
was like the sickest. And my favorite BMX rider was
(04:25):
Dave Mirra. And so when I was coming into
wrestling and I was like, ah, maybe I'll do like an extreme
sports character to kind of go with the Pogo stick and all the
extreme sports stuff I've done in my life.
You know, maybe I should take anextreme sports athlete's name so
that like the people who get it,they'll get it, right?
Like they know it, they know it,right.
So Mira was like the the choice of the last name.
(04:47):
And then I kind of just picked the first name as like I was
like, what's a unique name? I like that kind of fits with
Mira and Milo fit pretty well. This is Milo Mira, and yeah, it
fits pretty well. It's it's crazy.
So you mentioned Travis Vastrano, the double backflip.
You were eight when you saw thathappen.
Yeah, Yeah. I.
(05:07):
I don't remember how old I was when I saw that happen.
I remember I remember watching Travis Pastrana throw the first
backflip and bailing off his motorcycle and just throwing it
up in the air just 'cause he, hedidn't know what to expect.
He threw it up and like, he, he threw it off this off this edge
(05:27):
and he threw it and it landed and the bike shattered, right.
And a crowd went ape shit for it.
And it was in Los Angeles. It was like an afternoon show.
I remember him doing it there because he had just won the
freestyle competition. And then the next year, the
crowd was like encouraging him to try to do a backflip.
So he did like a ghost ride backflip.
He just let it go. He just rolled off the bat
(05:48):
because he's like, I'm scared. I'm not even going to play.
He's like, I'm scared of doing abackflip.
And then the following year was when Carey Hart bailed that 20
foot backflip and I was like, dude lacerated his liver,
shattered his pelvis like my mangot.
Hurt. And then after that, like, it's
(06:09):
been weird to think about that, like, especially when motocross,
like watching that happen. And that was like, I think it
was like 2001. I saw the first backflip get
landed. Yeah.
And then I remember reading, like, an ESPN article.
I was like 2006 and they're talking about best trick.
And they're like, yeah. And here's this person just
doing a simple backflip. And I was like, I really just
(06:32):
read that like that. We just, we're just like, yeah,
man, he just did a backflip likea big deal.
Like it's still a big deal to me.
Yeah, dude, it's, it's insane. Like I think like being in a
like being in an extreme sport and like doing it at like a high
level for, for my extreme sport.Like I'm pogoing small.
Like I can't like compare it to motocross or anything like that.
(06:54):
Like it's a small community, butlike even in a small community
of an extreme sport, like the progression as things get landed
is insane. Like when I started Pogo
sticking, the first front flip on a Pogo stick had never been
landed. And so throughout my career,
I've seen a ton of world firsts on the Pogo stick happen in an
(07:16):
extreme sport. So it's like that, those
progressions as things happen inextreme sports is is crazy.
People like you always think that that's the craziest thing
I'm going to see. Like when I watched Travis just
trying to do the double backflow, I was like, nobody's
ever going to top that. That's the coolest thing ever.
Nobody's ever going to top that.And now you have like all these
insane crazy flips happening. People are like throwing double
(07:40):
backflips in their freestyle runs and stuff in the next
games. It's it's crazy.
It's crazy. The progression it, it always
just keeps going up and up and up.
I thought it was crazy when I saw someone do a backflip with a
heart attack and I was like, it's not going to get any
crazier than this. And then I saw, I remember Brian
Deegan. See, this is how like I
remember, like I remember Brian Deegan throwing down the 1st 360
(08:03):
backflip and then like he he tried to do it in on ice because
they had the motocross for ice or in the in the Winter Games
and he tried to throw it down and the pet like he landed it,
but like he didn't fully land itbecause the bike landed
sideways. He landed on top and it hit him
like right in the side and like he was out like he was just
(08:25):
done. And he's like, yeah, but he him
and he was going after somebody else.
I can't remember. There's another dude who was
doing 360 backflips into a foam pit and Deegan was less needling
this the guy. Well, you do into a foam pit.
I do it the old school way. And I was like, why are we
doing? Why are we doing it the old
(08:47):
school way? But.
It's yeah, I can't that that like old school mentality of
like we need to go through the pain.
No, bro, we have we have the technology.
Don't do it. We can save our bodies.
We can save, which is a lot likewrestling.
You don't have to do all these things.
We can save our body. Yeah, yeah.
But Speaking of like things thatgo viral, like 360 backflips,
(09:10):
you are Mr. Viral right now likeyou have been.
It is it is video after video after video after video of you
just well, go sick. Like how?
How are you feeling with all that?
I mean, it's it's been crazy, right?
Like so I had the like the firstclip that went viral was from
the Limitless Rumble in like December of last year and that
(09:35):
kind of picked up and that had that got a million views on
Instagram and I was like, Oh my God, this is crazy.
And so that happened. And then it was like a lot of
other people started reposting all of my clips.
And then you know, Fast forward to like 2 weeks ago, an
Instagram page called Fuck Jerrywith 20 million followers.
(09:59):
Post it all over the place and then I'm like, Oh my God, this
is this is insane. I had people all over the
woodworks like from my past and everywhere just like sending it
to me being like, is this you? Is this you?
I had to say yes so many times. I was like, it's a it's a Pogo
stick guy that you know, like itkind of looks like me.
It's probably me. Well, like it was funny because
(10:22):
like I was sitting at home and then my phone blows up and like
a bunch of my friends and my andmy uncle all like they all know
like, oh, look, you know, cliffsand professional wrestling,
let's send this to him. And then people were sending me
things like, hey, this needs to be in your repertoire.
And I'm like, first of all, that's my friend.
No, like I would never just like, Oh yeah, let me just let
(10:44):
me just do this because this looks simple.
It's like, first of all, I know how much practice you put into
that and how much work it goes into.
I was like, I'm not going to do that, but like it was just funny
because then I started just screenshot everybody who was
sending it to me and I would just send it to you.
And I was just like, yeah, yeah,look at this, look at this.
I was like you just. But it was crazy because it's
one thing when it goes from likeInstagram, but when you
(11:05):
crossover to another medium, like another social media app,
like like Facebook and then Twitter.
And then also you find yourself on TikTok and you're just hit
after hit after hit after hit. I just keep seeing people like
people were attacking me and I was like, I know who this is.
And I actually had mentioned to somebody, I was like, I
mentioned that one person. I was like, yeah, he's coming on
the podcast. We're going to talk to him
about. And everybody's like, really?
(11:27):
You have to tag me? You bro.
I was like, OK, like. Thanks for what?
I'm honored. I'm honored that they they want
to hear me talk about stuff, butit's yeah, no, it's, it's been,
it's been insane. I think like, you know, it, it's
just, it's just crazy cause so many people who aren't wrestling
fans saw it, right? Like, and that's, that's crazy
(11:49):
to me. It's like, you know, I, I, it
feels really good and validatingfor like non wrestling people to
see it and be like, that's really cool.
So it's been a lot of fun to seethe reaction to it and see what
everybody's has to say. You know, it has its taters, it
has its lovers. You know, it's it's, but I have
fun doing it and I love it. Yeah, as it should.
(12:11):
It should have It's haters because like if you're not
having anybody hating on you forsomething that you did, fuck
them like. Yeah, right, right, right.
Exactly, I just I look at I lookat it and I thought I saw like
some big name accounts that werelike good.
This is this is ruining the sport.
I'm like, shut up, bro. Like you were literally you're
(12:31):
doing the job. Like you are literally giving
other people an opportunity to see something that would
normally not be seen and you're talking about.
So I always talk about them likeman, whether they hate you or
they love you man, just let themspread your brand.
Who cares? Yep.
Yeah. No, I, I don't, I, I take it all
on the chin. I, I, I tweet the occasional
angry tweet at the IWC, but it, it, I generally keep it in.
(12:57):
So yeah. I I talk about a group of people
that I just the minority of the I, not all of you at the ITBC,
but the minority of y'all that just complain to complain, man,
it always gets me. It always gets me.
But my question really for you is like, because you've been
getting hit with these viral videos, right?
(13:17):
Has those like opened up opportunities for you like in
other places that you just wouldhave thought you were going to
go to? For sure.
Yeah, like I've, I've been in talks with a with a company in
Kentucky to, to fly out there and do a show that probably
would have never happened. Like they probably wouldn't have
reached out to me if I didn't have viral clips, which is,
which is pretty crazy. It's definitely helped in the
(13:40):
New England area as well. Just like the fans know me more
now. They've seen the clips When I,
when I show up with the Pogo stick, people are like even
people who like maybe don't knowme by name are like, oh, oh
shit, I've seen that. I've seen that guy.
So yeah, it's been, it's been a lot of fun.
That's awesome though. Well, OK, so I I've known like
you said, we talked about how you were like an extreme Pogo
(14:02):
pogoist. And for those who don't know,
what 2 world records, the one that he held and the one that he
currently holds. Yeah, the 100 meter dash.
Yeah, so, so, so I, I, you have it a little bit wrong and I'll,
I'll correct you, but it's OK. So it's it's so I have, I've
only held one world record in mylife, which was, I don't hold it
anymore. It was former world record and
(14:23):
it was for the 100 meter dash ona Pogo stick.
I was the first one to set the record.
So we did like a whole competition with the Guinness
official and stuff and I ended up winning and that was cool.
So now I have like the plaque inmy in my kitchen.
It's hanging up there and it's just hanging out.
It's a nice talking piece when people come over.
But I have two World Championships in Pogo sticking
(14:48):
which is the where the two the two World Championships come
from so. Well, I thought you held the
record for most. Most people are doing a backflip
simultaneously on a Pogo stick. Oh my God, yeah, you're actually
entirely correct. Hey, I forgot about that one.
This guy, This guy right here does a freak.
(15:09):
That's great. That's great research.
That's great research. Yeah, I totally forgot about
that. Yeah.
No, I am. I am a part of that.
I that might have gotten broken though this year, like since we
talked about it, it might have gotten broken.
So yeah, so I guess I have held two world records.
I forgot about that. And I also think I was at a
baseball stadium the same night that they did like most must
(15:30):
fake mustaches in a crowd. So I think 3.
That's actually I want to see that record because I want to
also be AI want to partake in a world record where it's
something like that. Yeah, I think about those things
where it's like a world record for like, like you like, I don't
even know, like fastest slide onlike fastest slide on the slip
(15:50):
and slide with nachos, like a thing that's just so minute that
no one else would be like, yo, what?
Let me break that. Let me set that record.
Like what is that record? And I just want to see like I, I
want to just attempt because it's crazy to think like, like
no one's ever going to take thisaway from you that you were the
inaugural person to set the likeno one can ever take that from
me, which is so cool. And I'm like seeing you with the
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obviously at multiple World Championships.
And then I'm just, I'm, I'm flabbergasted because I'm like,
I've always been curious about like scoring wise for like
extreme sports, because I see like how judges score, like, you
know, the half pipe for skaters.And I'm just like, how do they,
how do they, how do they discipline this?
(16:33):
Like where they're like, yo, these are these are our grading.
Performances. Yeah, talking to you about it, I
get. I get to actually find this
information out now. Yeah, so I've actually been a
judge at Pogo World Championships a few times.
I'm actually going to be a judgethis year as well.
So it's, it's funny because it'slike, I don't really like
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there's no answer to this as to like how judges decide the
score. Like it's just like vibes.
I don't know, like, like I, I feel like when you're like
really into an action sport or really into an extreme sport,
there's like a level of understanding you have for the
sport that like some people who maybe aren't so familiar with it
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will see the thing and be like, oh, that's really cool.
But like some of the easier things that look really cool,
they might get louder for or something like that.
But like when you're a judge, you recognize kind of like the
and like you've done the sport for a really long time.
You recognize kind of like the really big intricacies and what
they're doing. It's kind of like it's, it's
like pro wrestling, right? When you're training as a pro
wrestler, like when you watch wrestling now, right, like you,
(17:35):
you know, the insurance and outsof like what they're doing.
So it's kind of like that when you're a judge for an extreme
sports competition, like, you know, the insurance and outs of
what they're doing, you know, it's really hard.
You know what's easier to do? You know what's a big risk,
what's not? And so you kind of just use that
and like whoever does in extremesports, it's like whoever does
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the riskiest thing, the coolest thing, things that's never been
done before, like that's going like, and gets the crowd super
hot. Like that's what's going to win
an extreme sports competition. So yeah.
I think about that a lot becauselike I've recently saw I was
watching so we do a live, we do the watch alongs here right on
(18:18):
podcast and we're I was watchingSaturday night main event and I
had to I was watching it, but I was actively watching it as like
a wrestler and I realized like midway through I was like, Oh, I
can't do this. I have to, like, I have to turn
this off because otherwise I have to let myself get capped
like in the same instance, get captivated with like the
(18:39):
audience because like I'm watching that and I'm just like,
OK, here comes, yeah, here comesbreakdown.
Yeah, alright, He here we go small, he alright, Hope spot.
And I was like, think about it. And I was like this the whole
time. And I was like, oh, I got to
stop doing this. Yeah.
You're you're you're more so studying than you are like
watching things for fun. Yeah, I know that feel for sure.
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Well, I was actually I. I was watching Battleground
before I came on the podcast today and I was like, I'm
watching the matches and I'm just like, I'm like critiquing
them in my head and like lookingat like what I would have done
differently. And it's like, you know, but the
crowd loved it, has loved every match on the card I've watched
so far. Like, they've loved every match.
So I'm like, they're doing things right.
(19:22):
The crowd loves it. So, you know, there might be
things I personally would have done differently, but like, you
know, teach their own. Yeah, well, like I try to watch
wrestling. Like when I go to watch and
study, I watch it without sound.I was like because it is the, it
is easy to get yourself captivated and wrapped up into
it when there's like when the crowd's going into it and you're
(19:44):
getting into it too. So I try to watch it now muted
because I'm like if I can watch it muted, I could kind of see
like all right, this is what we're doing here.
I can see crowds reaction in thebackground.
I can start watching. Sorry y'all get this cool inside
knowledge I like to talk about, but I like doing that stuff now.
So I'll watch a match probably like 3 or 4 times and then I'll
start I'll watch it the first time because I'm like I actually
(20:05):
wanted to watch this. Let me get myself wrapped up
into it like a time. I'll watch it muted and then
I'll watch it where I just like focus on them, and then I'll
focus on the crowd because I want to see like what moves got
the crowd popping and when and where.
Yeah, absolutely. That's those are those are
things that I do now and I statestudy.
So I'm just like, it's crazy. But I would think like as a
judge to like you've seen it all.
(20:26):
So you're kind of like, and likeyou said, like you kind of, you
have to pull yourself out of like the fan element and then
put yourself into like. Yeah.
This is what I would have done and I kind of see what they're
trying to aim for. Yeah, it, and also like when it
comes to like the actual like number score of things, you're
really kind of doing it off yourown scale, like whatever your
scale is, right. Like I tend to like rank things
(20:48):
like based on things I've seen in the competition already.
So it's like if I gave somethingan 80 before, like I'm going to
give it an 80 again or I or higher if they do something
cool, I think is cooler. Like so I find like what my
baseline is for like a trick or like a, you know, like a run in
my mind and like I'll think that's the average run.
That's like a 75. Like how much better than that
(21:11):
that they do? How much worse than than that
did they do? And then that's like kind of how
I base the number scores. But you know, that's like nitty
gritty stuff. No, I got you.
So let's jump into like the wrestling side of things.
I can talk about like extreme sports.
Me too, if you couldn't tell I Icould as well.
This is like, like I said, man, I there's a long time for the
(21:34):
long like the longest time I would just watch the X Games
strictly just for MX freestyle and MX big tricks and big air.
And then I remember they broughtin, I forgot who they brought in
for like best tail whip. And I was like, I don't care.
I get it. This is a cool trick, but I
don't care, yo. So talk to me about the moment
(21:58):
that got you into pro wrestling because you know, being an
extreme athlete, how what was what was the deciding factor
that made you want to be in? So like I've, I've been a fan my
whole life. I like, I grew up on it.
My older brother is 12 years older than me and he was super
into pro wrestling. And so as I grew up, you know, I
(22:18):
idolized my older brother. So I watched wrestling with him
and I became a huge fan. And so, you know, I kind of had
that fandom throughout my whole life.
I always had like, you know, because of the extreme sports.
I always had like the thing in the back of my mind that was
like, you can be a pro wrestler.Like you see this, you can do
flips, you can do all this stuff.
(22:39):
Like you don't care about falling and getting hurt.
Like you can do this. So, you know, that was always on
the back of my mind. Like it especially was creeping
up and like I was in college andI was like, oh man, I I want to
be a wrestler. This is so cool.
I was like watching Monday nightraw every week and like going
going to as many pay per views that were near me.
Like it was I was trying to go to so many wrestling shows.
(23:01):
And so I decided I was going to graduate college.
I graduated college, I was goingto go start training.
COVID hit and so I didn't start training.
And so I waited until after COVID and said, you know, I'm
not doing Pogo shows anymore andI kind of want to get that
performance aspect back in my life.
So I went to a fantasy camp at Nepala and signed up the next
(23:23):
class and haven't looked back. So yeah.
Yeah, I've actually so I did a couple classes at Nepala.
I love that place, man, That place is phenomenal.
Yeah, it's incredible. The amount of talent that feeds
through there is insane to me. Like just watching the the the
list of names of people who we've gone through and just even
(23:46):
to put one over. And I know I'm going to bring
her on the show eventually, but Spike is doing like a yeah.
She's killing it. Yeah, she's killing it.
Especially when she, like you say, her debut in Japan, Yeah,
she's just killing it over there.
And I'm. Like, yeah, incredible.
Great for her. No, it's, it's great.
I mean, Spike and I started training at the same time,
literally like 2 weeks, like between when she signed up and I
(24:10):
signed up. So Spike and I have been kind of
growing up together in this wrestling world.
So it's been, it's been awesome to see her succeed and do all
the things she's been doing. So yeah.
See, and I came to I remember I came to like a Saturday class in
the morning with Tyree. him and I were talking and then we I was
working with some of the others,other students.
(24:30):
And I remember Spike like first Spike and I was first
interaction. She was like, well, we're going
to let more mature people go with other mature people.
I was like, OK, well, I've been doing this for just about five
years. And she was like, OK, well, I'm
going to go over here. And I was like, no, but I want
to work with you. And she was like, it's fine.
And so we end up catching up later.
But it was just funny at that moment, Like to see her and then
(24:51):
like to watch everybody kind of grow and push.
And yeah, when you develop, it'sit's awesome, like I said.
And I remember Landing being there too, you know, right
before he moved. Yeah.
So I can, I mean, I love watching y'all like do your
thing and just keep watching theshow continue to grow.
Yeah, but for you, like watchingyou go to wrestling open and
(25:13):
face off like TJ Crawford. I was like, uh oh, now we're
going to start seeing the levelsare going to start growing
because this man is about to just explode off the scene and
here we are. Yeah, it's, it's been crazy
dude. I've been, I've gotten so lucky
this like this year alone, I've gotten to wrestle like so many
people who are on my like list of people.
I really wanted to wrestle like it.
(25:33):
Within the last like 6 months. I've wrestled Die Jack, Ricky
Smokes, TJ Crawford, Anthony Green mortar.
Like there's others. I'm like not listing and like
I've been taking oh, Channing Thomas.
Like there's so many people. Like I've gotten to wrestle so
many great matches over the lastsix months.
Like it's I've been so like incredible, like I'm literally
(25:57):
living my childhood dream and it's been so much fun.
So, yeah, I mean, like, it's been awesome to like, get to go
to Wrestling Open now and like, you know, show up there every
once in awhile. And I have like we had the
Dave's Hot Chicken match a couple weeks ago and that was a
ton of fun. I got to come out of the Dave's
Hot Chicken Cape. Incredible.
(26:18):
Yeah. So, you know, I get to do silly
things like that with the Pogo stick and it's, it's, it's, it's
super, super fun. I've been.
I've been. Grateful for the opportunities
that they've given to me. Yeah, I've been captivated.
I've been watching like I watched some product, so I know
exactly what's happening. And then on Twitch, you guys can
also catch the Chaotic show. So I've been also watching
(26:39):
Chaotic. Yeah, so.
Just watching you kind of continue to grow.
And then, you know, we catch up at Focus Pro and we see and you
know, I just keep watching. I'm just like, damn, dude, this
guy's, he's doing great things. And I can't wait till that one
day where like whether it's in Providence or in Massachusetts
or in Boston or even Hartford, CT, I don't care that you get
(26:59):
that call for like, AW, to come to do this, do some extra work.
I'm like, yeah, y'all, y'all about to find out like why he's
there. I appreciate that.
I appreciate that. I, I hope so.
We'll, we'll see what happens. I'm kind of just going with the
flow of things right now and it's been a ton of fun.
So. Exactly.
So let me ask you man, you've been in for a couple years.
I just need to know what's the worst bump you've taken so far.
(27:22):
Oh the worst bump I've taken. It had to be for sure an all out
war last year, Chaotic. So a lot of people might know me
for my fun loving Pogo stick riding character Milo Mira the
extreme athlete. But those who follow chaotic
wrestling know me as the miraculous Milo Mira, a member
of the I don't know religious cult satanic worshipping crazy
(27:47):
God's greatest creations. So yeah, I so last year we had
what we called the All Out Holy War.
It was the baby faces the angelsof chaotic against the the
Devils of the GGC. And so the the worst bump I've
taken there I took in that matchand it was my team mates Jariel
(28:08):
Rivera and Max Smashmaster Arcturus holding up Tyree for a
powerbomb and I gave him a blockbuster through a door while
I landed on a bunch of tacks from a top rope blockbuster and
that sucked. Landing on about 200 thumbtacks
(28:28):
from like 8 feet in the air was not fun, but it looked really
cool. So I bet it did.
I bet it did. No, it did look cool.
I just know, like I just have toask, let me ask, I've never gone
through thumbtacks nor do I wantto ever.
Sorry guys. Did you feel like initially when
(28:49):
it when you do? It again, yeah, I said I'd do it
again for sure. What was it like afterwards?
You just getting them pulled out.
It was like, you know, you have the adrenaline flow in after a
match. So like, actually, like, I
didn't have that many stuck intomy back because we were wearing
shirts. Like we were wearing like cut
off shirts. So yeah, a lot of them got stuck
to the shirt and Smash Master was nice enough to come over to
(29:11):
me after the spot and pull tacksout of my shirt for me, which
was really nice of him because Ihad a bunch of big bumps coming
still. And yeah, so like they got out
pretty quickly because the adrenaline was flowing.
Once the adrenaline's flowing, it like wasn't it wasn't too bad
to get him out. So that's probably why my
(29:32):
brain's like, yeah, I'll do it again.
Yeah, we'll just hit it one moretime.
Why not So that you've been in and I can never take that bump.
I just me, I'm, you know, my age.
Tell me like no, bro, like we'renot we're not we're not.
But you've been there. You've been in for a couple
(29:52):
years. I'm just kind of curious as to
what's the hardest lesson you'vehad to learn being in the
business the. Hardest lesson I've had to learn
being patient. I think it's probably the the
thing, right? Like, I think you're, there's so
much work that goes into wrestling outside of the
(30:13):
cameras, right? Like, I think all of us go into
it and we're like, yeah, you getthis glamorous, like you get to
go out into the ring and wrestleand everybody, all the fans love
you. But like there's so much work
that goes into wrestling outsideof wrestling.
Like all of the, you know, you do all the marketing, you do all
the social media, you do all of the, you get get gear, gear's
(30:33):
expensive. You get like all of the all of
the things that go in, like going to the gym a bunch of
times a week, just keep in shapeall that stuff.
You do all that all the time. And you just are hoping for the
opportunities to come and that you can nail those opportunities
when you get them and you hope that they continue to come.
(30:56):
And sometimes when you're starting out, that is they, the
opportunities are hard to come by and sometimes you make a
mistake and you don't have the best match ever and then you're
waiting again for another opportunity.
So I think, like, the hardest thing wrestling has taught me is
to be like, really patient with everything.
Like, keep doing all the right things and, like, good things
will come in wrestling and, you know, keep being good to other
(31:18):
people and wrestling and, like, good things will come to you.
And that's, yeah, probably beingpatient.
No, I like that though, 'cause Imean, and that's just as a good
advice in life though, but like,definitely like in wrestling,
like it's crazy how like, you know, you, you have all these
admirations and stuff like that and you're putting in all the
work and you think that you're going to be getting somewhere.
(31:39):
But like, you know, sometimes like the wheel spins and you're
just kind of spinning and, and you'll get your grip and then
you'll take off. And when you take off, like
you're just going to go through the roof.
I said, like you said, you just kind of have to just stay ready
because when time comes, you'll,you'll be ready.
Yeah, for sure. Yo, so let me hop this over to
my favorite part of the three count podcast, which is a three
(32:00):
count podcast, 10 count questions and Mr. Mirror this
how it works. I'm going to fire off 10
questions that you rapid, fast and whatever the answer is, that
is your answer. OK.
So we're going to start we're going to start this off with the
imaginary timer first Bing. And in the words of my favorite
commentator, Mike Goldberg, herewe go.
(32:21):
Smack down a Raw Smack down favorite TV show.
Severance. That's a good one.
Marvel or DC? Marvel favorite movie?
The Dark Knight That's contradicting.
Great 1 Apple or Android? Apple.
Favorite cartoon? I don't know SpongeBob.
(32:51):
That's. Good, I like that.
Waffles or pancakes? Waffles.
Favorite podcast? Oh, what is?
Oh, it's the Regulation podcast.Yes, nominate one person that
you want to see on this podcast.We talked about her Spike
Nishimura. Yeah, Spike.
(33:13):
Spike definitely belongs on thispodcast.
And then last but not least, my favorite question asks every
single person who comes on this podcast.
Favorite curse word? Oh fuck.
For sure, yeah. It has to be that word, yeah.
So useful. It is, it is an amazing word to
use and a fact that you can like, like I, there was a,
there's a YouTube video, I don'tknow if you're familiar with it,
(33:34):
but it's called like the historyof the F word, which is like
it's just like 2 minutes and 19 seconds.
It's hilarious. I think it's one of the most my
favorite things in life and I talk about it a lot because I
think it was going, it was goingviral before viral was a thing.
Like, I remember watching this video back in like, 2003.
Yeah, but like it. Was like before YouTube so.
(33:55):
Right. But it was like right when
ebaum's world was like a big thing and like, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Those who know, know.
But yeah. So there was like a big
crossover with it. It was hilarious, man.
It was one of my favorite thingsto ever see.
So I recommend people go on YouTube, find the history of the
F word, watch it. I guarantee you'll enjoy that 2,
two minutes and 19 seconds of how you can insert the F word
(34:17):
into other words to make it evenbetter.
Yo, there's a but these are all my questions for you, man.
So the last thing I need from you is to let our listeners and
our viewers know where they can find you.
Well, Red Dog, thanks for havingme.
You guys can find me on all social media, Milo Mira under
SCORE or you can go to my website www.milomira.com.
(34:40):
My man got his own web page. Well, he told you about his
social media handles. We actually told you about where
you can find him. Like in Wrestling Wise, where
you can find him, you can find his own his own web page.
You can do all that stuff. So you guys know what to do.
Go out there, give the lights, give the chairs, get the follows
and then make sure you're telling your friends about it.
But like every great part of a wrestling match, we I take this
(35:02):
home 'cause this is a three count podcast was just now it's
ringing. I'm your host, Clifford Red Dog
Miller and a man that leaves youwith that mountain call
wrestling. But like every good Sherpa, it's
never about me. It's about who's entering.
So who's entering? You see him right there, Milo
Mira himself, and you guys know what to do to to the next
episode and be there. Or you're legitimately falls on
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