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Yo-yo yo-yo yo-yo yo-yo. We're back with another episode
of Chaz and Friends. The wrestling world is changing
fast and tonight we're calling out on all different angles from
YouTube fame to WrestleMania moments.
Influencer turned wrestlers likeLogan Paul and recently Mariah
May who just signed with NXT areforcing us to ask are they

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building the business or are they just cashing in on the
hype? Next on the dock we're going to
head on over to Texas where AW is given their the one of
wrestling's greatest rivalries of this generation, Kenny Omega
versus Okada. Again, is this another instant
classic in their historic rivalry or is this just another

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case of AW playing the hits too many times?
And finally, what everybody wants to talk about.
Our truth. Our truth.
Who was fired And now he was rehired?
Or maybe he was never fired at all.
Was his return one of the biggest works in recent memory?
Or our fans just been worked into a frenzy?

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Yo-yo, yo-yo, yo, it's your boy,yo cousin, your nephew.
It's the gravital region's best kept secret in the dawn of the
Mid-Atlantic and the host of thehottest debate wrestling
podcast. I'm Chaz Evans.

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Welcome to Chaz and friends. Let me introduce to you my
friend who's going one-on-one with me tonight and this debate,
ladies and gentlemen, he's the man that runs this show.
He's the man that really does everything from producing from
interviewing, He's the man. He is the three count podcast,
ladies and gentlemen, He is the current reigning and defending
SWA Sykes. He is your current rating and

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defending HWS extreme champion. He's also your and defending
Infinite Plus network champion. Ladies and gentlemen, he is my
friend. He's your friend, he's my dog,
he's your dog. He's everybody's friendly
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veterans specialist. So when you call on when you
need to get a job done and your friendly neighborhood red dog.
Also, for those who are trying to view us on Facebook, you're
not going to because Facebook has some kind of dis, you know,
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YouTube, Twitch X. So enjoy us there.
Talk to us there, but also joining Chaz in the Inner Circle

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T-shirt gang. That's funny because we didn't
plan this. We did we no.
So you 100% had your shirt on. I was like, go put my shirt on
too, 'cause when I started this I had the Red Hood shirt and
that was like, Nah bro, we're gonna change it.
That's funny. It's it 'cause I, I, I put this
on. I was like, you know what, I
wore this in a minute. This is the very first AW shirt

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that I had purchased from them, 'cause then afterwards I bought
wait, no, this is not fresh shirt.
I'm a liar. I bought Cody shirt.
Oh yeah, yeah, you had the. Yeah, I bought Cody shirt at the
venue 'cause I was at the first Dynamite.
Yeah, I got Yeah. No, I'm a liar.
Sorry guys about this. I was about to lie to you

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anyway. I just was like, I haven't was
in a while and this is when the Inner Circle was cool, before
Jericho got stupid. So.
Yeah. Boom, inner circle, Yeah.
Team inner circle. Now point to all all these guys
who won a world title. Yep, Yep, that one.

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Alright, cool clip what we got coming up on now enter in the
ring. Yeah, so we got some great stuff
coming up on now and turn you guys in and check out the last
couple episodes. We had Keith Youngblood and then
after that we had Trey Derulo. So that was kind of fun. him and
I had a great conversation. If you didn't check out the
episode, it did drop. I did drop it on Spotify, but I
forgot to hit the, you know, thebutton to make it go live on.

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Actually, I'm pretty sure I did.I'm pretty sure somebody else,
not going to say who, I'm not going to drop names, but I think
they went in there and then accidentally made a private and
then forgot to change it back toa drop at at noon on Saturday
for YouTube. So I had to drop it today.
So you guys will notice that on Sunday you got an episode of Now
Enter the Ring right before thisshow dropped.

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So there's that. Today, though, or this week,
though, I just want to look. I forgot.
I got to double check really quick.
I'm pretty sure it's Kurt Blair's episode is dropping.
Yeah. The debonair Kurt Blair, the man
who kicked me in the back of thehead at SWA, cost me a chance at
the Crown's championship, even though, you know, I had to be

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professional. Hold it together.
You know, we. We, we, we had a conversation.
It was what it was. Fuck that guy.
Well. Since you mentioned SWA, before
we dive in, I want to give a huge shout out to our partners
over there in SWA. If you haven't seen what they're
doing, you're definitely missingout.
This Saturday they have a show coming up called Say When.

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Your boys right here on the showwill be involved in that show.
I'm having a birthday party Purina Wrench celebration in the
rain. I'm inviting everyone who's
watching to come to SWA and and to join me in my birthday slash
peer regiment spot here. Abducted celebration.
Yeah, I also realized and got word that somebody else is also

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coming to this celebration and Inot for how to feel about that.
But yeah, shout out to SWA say when that's coming this
Saturday, Shady Grove, PA if you're in the area, definitely
be there. Do as been waiting for the past
really the past 2 1/2 years has been cooking each and every show

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that they put out and they don'tput a lot of show out.
Quality over quantity folks. But seriously, he's got SWA as a
whole definitely putting out good stuff.
Follow them on their YouTube channel, follow them on on all
their social media platforms. So you can definitely be in the
SWA loop. Yeah, agreed.

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Temp check. Temp check.
Alright, hold up a second. I've got layers right there.
This one temp check. Temp check.
So we'll do temp check and then we'll go right into Damon's dumb
ass of the week. So temp check.
That's where me and my friends, we give you our hottest and our
coldest wrestlers going into theweek.
A lot of crazy stuff going on inwrestling, a lot of big matches

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announced. Let's see what's going.
Let's see what the temperature'slike.
All right, temp check Hottest wrestler, my hottest wrestler of
this week, Ron Killings my coldest wrestler of the week.
For the first time in his career, he's getting this award.
John Cena is is my coldest wrestler of the week.

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Maybe and I and I'll give an explanation if it's I don't know
if wrestling healed John Cena in2025 works for me.
I don't me personally, or maybe it's just my perception of John

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Cena. I don't think John Cena and This
Day and AIDS would sit there andargue with Logan Paul outside of
the ring to let Jake Lusso claw crawl his way for the hot tag.
That's just me. That's just me.
But yeah, it it yeah. John's my coldest wrestler of

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the week. And it sucks because I've been
I've been loving everything thatJohn, you get nothing and he's
been giving you nothing. My match of the week.
It's hard. It's hard not to pick one of the
money in the main ladder match because I think the the men's
money in the bank was the part of even with the the Jacob term,

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but really, really, really, really enjoyed Bird Lady and
Becky. Bird, Lady and Becky, you better
not disrespect that woman's name.
I've been calling her bird lady or or for for Yee what, as long
as she came out with the wings said bird lady to me.

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But I enjoyed that match. Yeah, Lyra and and and Becky
definitely tore the house down. I was very skeptical.
I said it two weeks ago was like, why are we doing this
again? We literally just did this last
week. I had kudos to Becky.
I, I know Becky gets a lot of criticism nowadays, but credit

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to Becky because Becky knows howto change the match up.
She she's, she's very well at making sure, even though you're
doing the same match to make it different and, and still make it
entertaining. So I'm going to have to give
props to Becky and live as my match of the week.
But my, my, my, my, my 1B would be the men's Money in the Bank

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match. Just all of it.
I just, I don't like the winner,but everything up to the winner
was, was, was phenomenal. OK, OK, you know what, I I would
take the other person for call this rest of the week.
I'll take the other person in that match in that tag match in

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that heels, even though he had alot of cool spots, it was just
like and I was very bland to me.So at the end of the day, but
Logan Paul is going to get my cold rest of the week.
It just I don't know. It was weird.
It just didn't it just didn't hit for me.
I just I was I was not there forit.
My match of the week, man. I'm going to be fair with you,

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bro, worlds collide, Chad Gable and Vikingo was on point.
So if you guys didn't get a chance to watch it should have
gone on YouTube. You can watch it now.
That match was crazy amazing. Great storytelling, a lot of
fire to it. Chad Gable and Echo the Viking
go just toward the house down. So that's going to be my 1A.

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My one BI would also agree BeckyBecky and Lyra is a is is a good
is a good pick as well. My hottest wrestler of the week.
While I would agree with you, wrong killings would be my pick.
I'm going to go with somebody else in a different direction in
a different company that made their return.

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And I don't want to say just they, but they made their return
and the talent, the talent and the competition is higher.
So we're built to inspire and give it up for inspiration and.
And this where you were going, Iwant you to say they make make
their kind of either. I thought about first I thought

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you were saying first class. I thought you were going to go
what you call it dollar AJ Francis coming back in XP now,
but you did then I was like hopefully.
Yeah, yeah, that's not I was I was shocked.
I was like oh good to see y'all where you been 3.
Years, three years gone for three years now they're now,

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they're back. So I'm very excited to see
Cassie and Jessica back in wrestling is and they look good
too. You know, they you know, they
would put in work so you can tell and I just can't wait to
see the work they put in a flat back.
So from flat back, so you know, big shout out to them.
I'm very happy to see them back in the impact and the TNA zone.
So let's let's get to it becauseI can't wait to see the tag

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match all. Right, let's get to it.
The comments of the week do comments or you want to do dumb
asses. No, I get to get the dumb asses
out the week. We'll do.
We'll go to comments afterwards.OK.
Yeah, it's Damien's dumb. As of the week off RIP.

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He's not here. So Damien is up for nomination,
and because Twitch is not here either, he's up for nomination.
He's up for nomination, too. Now if Twitch shows up before I
hit post, he can be taken off OK.

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But at the right now we have 2 spots remaining.
OK, I want to put up there. I want to put up the IWC because
of the discourse that's been going on all day today.
The discourse I I won't get too into it because I rather have

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not get it or crazy racist cop, but got to love the and I did it
anywhere. Yeah, we did that.
We got a black man's job back and I specifically say black man

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and I will continue to say blackman and I will acknowledge what
the man identified as, even though when we bring up what we
identify as, it's like a bad thing and it's everybody in a
whole uproar. But regardless of that, our
truth has a jolly and because ofall of us, whether you want to

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believe it's a work or not, we'll we'll get into that next.
But I want to put the IWC because something popped it.
You just turn and just stop on it.
Just stop wrong. So the IWC for me is my is of
the week because we supposed to be like, yeah, he's back.

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Everyone's like, well, why did you have the Why did you have to
bring the right thing? He's a great guy.
We all love him somewhat. OK, that's not yourself anyway.
But yeah, that's mine. That's yours.
The minority IWC. Yeah.

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OK. Mine's gonna be.
Mine's gonna be just TKO. That's my, that's my, my second
one. I'm going TKO.
That's that's that's what I'm gonna take.
Alright guys. That's ridiculous.
They, whether it's a work or not, I mean, I don't know.
I don't really care either. I just think at the end of the
day, like if stories are to believe, which we know in the

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wrestling community, like believe none of what you hear
and only 1/3 of what you see. They had to make a call to get
this man back and nobody, he wasn't answering to nobody until
Khan called him. So it is what it is like

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alright, but I do appreciate thefact that he asked to get his
his name changed to wrong killing so that it's established
on TV. Yeah.
So I can appreciate that. So yeah, TKO.
Alright, go to the comments see see what they say.

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Who should be? We might, we might, might change
one. Alright, here we go.
Let's see what they say. It says.
Gentlemen, according to Facebook, you know they got a
virus. What's up Chaz and only Chaz.
If I was speaking to that dog over there, I would compliment
how nice his lined up and lined up his beard is looking.
But yeah, if that guy wish you would have kicked you harder,

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damn, it's crazy and would neverwish that on you.
It's like coldest LA night hottest.
We don't get into that. Sounds like a Sounds like a
disco band match of the week when World the World's Clyde
show. I really enjoyed it.
I will agree I like that show a lot too.

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Clearly Mr. Iguana was the most over person because like this
and then everybody was talking about.
But all the Mexican fans hate them.
That's that's I was reading thatbefore we went live, reading
that out, that's we love him andhe just got over so crazy.
But over there, they, they, it's, it's the comparison is how
the IWC feels about Jay USO happening.

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So it's just all flash, no substance.
You know, that's what they say about him.
And I was like, well then that means I love him 'cause like
what? Yeah, well, so I was watching
that live. I'll share this with you.
I was watching it live with Kiraand I was like, yo, look at this
dude. He's got an iguana.
And we're. And yeah, I clearly knew it was

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a puppet, but I was like, he gota dead iguana with him and he
flipped the iguana and landed onhis shoulder.
And I was like, all right, he's kind of cool.
And Kara was like, he got an order of 1000 for that.
It was like facts. I can't even argue with that.
It was pitchy dog. My coldest is having to be on

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Twitter versus this on Facebook.I'll could always, I sent you
the link to YouTube. You could do it there.
I I purposely went on my way to send it to you.
Could have just ignored you likeI should have.
I'm happy. The inspection.
No inspiration. That's who that is is back in
wrestling too. Here we were looking for smoke.

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I chose chess for choosing Damien overruled.
My vote for dumb ass of the weakest triple nose for lying
about truth release. I can believe you don't think
the whole thing was a work? I don't think so.

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Our truth got fired, but now killings.
Now nominate Trips for his reaction to the truth question.
It was weird that he kind of like.
That's an excellent question. Did you enjoy the show?
Sidestepped it like dog? I would have been like, yeah,
but I enjoyed the show. But here's my question answer.

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He's 53. He's done everything in WWE.
If the fans had reacted to our truth when he was wrestling like
they did when he got fired, it would never happened.
That's not true. Because when he was with it,
like there's there's multiple times where you can see truth
getting over without having to get fired, right?
We can point to the mixed tag back back mixed tag matches,

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right with Carmela, the 24/7 stuff, right Judgement day right
before that, when he was doing when he was with Rd.
Dogg, right when they were running around doing the things,
you know, OK, quick. So there's been numerous times
where our truth is over and I those are just a handful that I
could think about off the top ofmy head, but I'm But when he

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turned heel and he was beating up John Morrison and smoked that
cigarette in his face and the crowd booed the shit out of him
like there is tons of times little Jimmy was over right,
like our true guy. So much stuff, so much stuff
over. Our truth.

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Our truth got the judgment Day over.
He got the judgment. Day over the, the, the and the
judgment. Day when Edge left when it was
just friend Damian, Rita and Don.
But here's here's. OK, So you're proving my point,
Mr. Golden, like you're proving my point right here.
That was five years ago. Thank you.

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The fans were behind him then. Other than a judgement day, fans
were behind him there. Little Jimmy was 10 years ago.
Fans were behind him then. Rd. dogging.
Rd. dogging. Quick.
That was almost. What was that?
Almost 20 years ago over then, yeah, that was was it the
awesome truth. Like that was another thing that

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was over. Like, yo, like our truth has had
strong support all the time. That's why fans were pissed.
It's not that the fans were pissed at like, oh, our truth,
because if that was the case, wewould have been pissed when Oh,
Jesus. Well, Otis's tab partner Tucker,
when Tucker got cut, we didn't, we weren't pissed when Tucker

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got cut. We're kind of like, man, all
right, what's Otis going to do now?
Like that was kind of our reactions to it, you know, like
that's why the, the, our truth or wrong feelings, however you
want to look at it, it's just a different, it's a different
beast in itself because that man, everything they gave him
was just junk and he got everything over.

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Fans like that, that whole 24/7 I95I-95 S Atlanta
Intercontinental European Champion thing.
Like, yo, we were like all loving the fact that that was
happening. So I'm like, there's so many
memories you can have of our truth that you're like the
spiders. The, the, there better not be a

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single spider on this ladder because I suffer from
arachnophobia. Like there's so much the ladder
match with the Royal Rumble where he ran it with the ladder.
When do you like announce he announced the wrong city.
He was in Cleveland and he was like, what's up, Cincinnati?
And they're like, you're in Cleveland, you idiot.
There's so much stuff that I canlike, listen, I'm just rattling

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stuff off the top of the brain about stuff that R2's done that
the fans have just thoroughly enjoyed.
And it's like, so it's he was he's been way over.
It's just he's not like he's theguy that you need steadily in
the in the roster because when you either need someone to get
over or you need someone that can.
Get somebody over. Yeah, or yeah, you someone

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that's over and so they could get somebody else over.
That's who you rely on is someone like truth and he does
that well. So it's just I don't know.
It's it's funny to me that like we're like, well, we didn't like
our truth. We loved our truth.
We love wrong killings. Like now they're going to have
to acknowledge that wrong killings was what you call an

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N.W.A champion, A2 time N.W.A champion.
Like they're going to have to acknowledge that now because
there's wrong killings. It's not our truth.
So yeah. We're on the topic of our truth,
so let's keep let's keep the conversation going.
So are truth fired or rehired orjust Twitter fiction?
Look, is it'll work or is it not?
That's the question. All right, we're going to we're

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debating whether or not it was this a work.
So did WB work fans or did social media invent A storyline?
OK, now I'll start this one off now.
I'm I don't think it was a work Now initially at 1st, at first

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first thought, yes, when it first happened, my 3 action was
oh damn, they really got us. But come to think about it and
really looking at the fact of the matter is then looking how
truth is responding to things online.
This is not work is they. And when you, when you look at

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the facts, the facts are really this.
They were, they were budget, they were, they were, they were
budget cutting. They were TKO.
It was was trying to slim down on what they were spending our
truth want want a they they offered him a low ball contract.
That's why he didn't get rehiredThe OK oh not rehired.

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That's why he was his contract was let go or not resigned.
It expired. His contract expired that and
that's a fact. And the way that they did it
then the way how everything happened, It's not this is not a
work. He announced it himself.
This was not no OK we've released no news outlet broke

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this story. He broke the story by announcing
that he decided his contract wasnot able the fact then the
reports are coming out. He had a low ball offer he
didn't sign We want truth happened.
Cliff put in the group chat yesterday on the Wind World
Collide chat. They were blowing up the Wind

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World Collide chat with We Want Truth.
They were chanting that even at other shows We Want Truth.
You could hear it a little bit on the T at the TNA show on
Thursday. If you really wouldn't watch,
you really watch and really listen.
You can hear a budding We Want Truth chance.
So it's it WWE realized real quick that they had a bottom

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dollar and they realized that, Oh no, we just let go of a guy
that really prints out money forus like that's he prints out
money for us. That's what R truth does,
period. He he, he, he, he moves money
for them. Like that's, that's that's what
that R truth character is he he,he's, he's walking money.

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The deal did not get settled until about two days ago.
So Friday around is when they finally had a deal settled.
This not work as much as as muchas wrestling fans.
We want to believe that everything like the E is so
perfect with their storytelling.No, this is a bad PR nightmare

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that they try to figure it out and put a huge ass Band-Aid on
because back-to-back PR nightmares because they knew
they were announcing WrestleMania back in Vegas
tonight, Money in the Bank officially we already knew that
was going to happen, but they were going to officially
announce it. So we know Backlash is going to
happen for that. Now we you want to announce that

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on top of the fact that we already got Backlash from firing
truth? No, they're not idiots.
TKO are not idiots. They're they're they're they're,
they're, they're, they're a billion dollar company for a
reason. OK, They're, they're, that's
just for a reason. They know that losing our truth

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and then having that Backlash orWrestleMania come back on them
back-to-back, it would suffer, would make them suffer not only
financially, but also their momentum with the fans are
already on a bad track record. No, this was not a work.
OK. I love the discourse, though,
and they love the discord. It gets them talking.
But no, this is not a work. Sorry.

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This is just a company, you know, doing damage control, no
pun intended, when I started that.
But yeah, no, not a work. Can't hear you.
Yeah, we lost what can. You hear me now?

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Like. We actually, yeah.
OK, no, I I agree with you. I agree with you.
It's not a work. It's really not.
I think when that would be looked at it, they were trying
to figure out which characters they could just kind of get rid
of and like nobody would just like throw a hassle, you know, a
fit about. And instead they got caught.

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They got caught putting her handin the cookie jar and taking one
that they shouldn't have taken, right.
So truth again, as we've been saying, is like a, a beloved,
like he's like, he's a beloved gem.
Like people like him. They, they want him everywhere.
So I don't understand like why they decided to, especially for
a company that just announced recently at their $3 billion in

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the hole and talk about Endeavor, like the company that
owns TKO, who owns the WWE company that I just announced
that there are $3,000,000 in thehole.
Like, yeah, I would think that you're going to do whatever you
can to retain the crowd, the fans and keep them coming.
You didn't think that our truth was like a well loved person.

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That's a big issue. That means you're not listening
to the fans. Because if you're just like,
well, don't get over it. Don't go with this one.
But they didn't they didn't go with that one and they told you
that they weren't going to go with that one.
So you guys really, you know, tosay like that you guys really
screwed the pooch on it. Like it's fucking crazy that you
would think that you could just get away with not talking about

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our truth and just like letting him go.
Because if you notice too, the funny part about this whole
thing, no one's talking about Carlito.
No one's talking about Carlito. And it's not like they were
upset, right? They were mad.
Our truth was the guy it was, itwas all about truth.
Like, no, I, I don't want to talk down about Carlito.
I love Carlito. He had a nice little run while

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he was in WWE, but he they really didn't have a place for
him. Like truth was the guy that the
crowd genuinely wanted to get behind.
And that's what you get from real, real fans really enjoying
a character or really enjoying aperson.
And it it just wait, man. Like what would have been like
if you would have gotten rid of like Roman Reigns or like, I

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don't know, Seth, right, The fans would have blown you.
Like not saying they would have done it physically.
That would have just blown up all of Twitter, Facebook,
instant everything. They would have let y'all know
because I'm sure this wasn't like a thing.
I'm sure if I go back and watch Dynamite, I'm probably hearing

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the crowd chant out we want truth.
And at that show, I didn't watchDynamite this week.
My apologies. AW, fans, I know, but I'm sure
in the background you're probably hearing somebody
somewhere saying we want truth. And then TNA has a thing going
on. And then WWE was like, Oh yeah,
we know what we didn't think this out.
He could we could possibly go somewhere else.

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And that money, that money made that we have is suddenly over
there turning heads. I'm not saying our truth is
going to be the biggest month movie move like needle maker
mover, right. But something that twitch I
brought up was all of a sudden, like behind the scenes.
There's our truth at like AW confused and just like yo, where

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you been dog, like just playing the same role and like at AW and
now you're just like you're watching fans kind of drift over
there because there's our truth talking to Bobby Lashley or
talking to Shelton or MVP or bigshow or you know, he's having
all these jokes, inside jokes with them.
Like so you're you're essentially just kind of putting

(34:17):
one in your foot and it was it was monumental that WWE resigned
R truth because the fans told you what they wanted and you
weren't listening. And I think, you know, whatever
you want to believe, like behindthe scenes, like trips kind of
being upset that the fans kind of took over the show.

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You have to remember that at theend of the day, you have
stockholders and if people are pissed, they're going to let the
stockholders know and then the stockholders are going to let
you know about how they're feeling about it and that you
should be making the move. So this truly really feels like
it's become a product of the people just for truth this for

(34:59):
true sake. But I can't wait till the day
where someone like them is or God forbid Bailey gets cut.
Oh. Yeah, yeah.
I just think about it. I mean, they were how people
were getting all flustered over they just and they were finding
things in making things, in justmaking stuff up.

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There was reports like not reports where people were trying
to wear all what we're saying that well, Miss is next because
Miss didn't have anything WV related in his bio, but Miss
never had anything WV in his bioto begin with.
So it really had people on pins and needles.
And that's why I also I feel like this is it wasn't the worst
because there are so many backstage people and personal

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his own son, his own son. When was on Instagram commented
on Triple H's answer. Talk about stop the cat, which
is for my friends who don't knowstop lying.
So I this is not a work. I I definitely was wrong.

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They messed up like they the perfect company, you know, they,
they, they, they, they were wrong.
They messed up and they screwed up.
It's no, this is not no perfect story, not long term
storytelling. It's just it's not, it's, it's
they did, it's they they're cleaning up their do do.
That's what it is. Yeah, they they they, they Foo

(36:28):
barred all this up. Yeah.
Oh, damn, we gotta make this up.And then what I do love is fact
that Wrong Killings comes out and attacks John Cena and he's
got title in his hand as he slides out the ring.
So maybe we're going to get something a little bit more
serious with Arch with Killings,but I also kind of want the fun
our truth. So we'll see what happens

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'cause, you know, there is a lotof rumors that they're trying to
turn it to a more serious product versus like a having any
kind of comedy on there. So yeah, we shall.
Just with the comments, what thefootball, everybody talking.
Alright, but not as much now, solet's go here.
My point being that he's not over as my point being that he's

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not as over as he was then. He is very much still over as
much if not more than. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan,
but I don't know what else he could do in WWE.
He could win the championship. I mean he accidentally won the
WWE United States Heavyweights title.
The WBE is already saturated with older guys with no chance

(37:36):
of winning a title. I mean, did you feel the same
way about Santino? No, and I'll tell you why.
It was a different age for me. I was wrapped up in Santino, but
I didn't really understand the gravity of what it was being
like to see someone like Santinoget let go.
But when he showed up at TNA, you better believe like, I was
super excited to see Santino Marella back in in wrestling.

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So how do you feel about it? Well, Santino, I likewise I It
sucked. I would say that that that was
what I'm thinking. What is that player like that
was I don't know if I was in black color.
Yeah, he was still there. He was was there with AJ but he
was styled them. No.

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No, he was gone then. I think he was gone then 'cause
I think he was like towards the end of his run with that before.
But like what I it, it, it was, it was sad 'cause like Santino
was funny and I I'm like Santinocharacter.
I mean nothing. It's the Cobra like.
He got a man fired from WE for the Cobra.

(38:44):
Like I think people forget that.I think people forgot that JTG
got fired from WWE for overselling the Cobra.
Like, you know, that was the thing.
That's what let him get releasedalso.
And when it comes to Santino too, like there's a lot of
memorable moments that I could think of, especially with
Santino trying to do Molina's entrance and then like like

(39:06):
hurting himself. I could I could think of things
for days. The Slammys facts are red dog
never looks better. Is that when I got frozen?
I got blame it. Blame it because he cost the WBA
lot of money went to Australia instead of Austria.
This true Ray truth Orton, Seamus Cena need to step aside

(39:30):
for the younger stars. IA 100% agree, but in that
aspect though, when it comes to something like Truth, you're
going to need guys like Orton Truth and Ray to be among those
guys and Sheamus, you're going to need those leaders and those
older veterans in the locker room to help mature up the
talent. And that's who I think it is.
Those are those roles are perfect for those guys.

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Cena, I mean, Cena's on his lastrun, so we already know that
they what up wait, go back. Yep.
That's the human tornado. What's up?
The human tornado? Watching my show.
Oh, shit. I knew you were going to pop for

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us. I was.
I'm school. It's hard.
You're comparing our truth to Seth and Roman?
Really. Well, I mean, yeah, I am.
I mean, the longevity of our truths careers is ridiculous.
And the fact that, as I said, our truth is still a two time
N.W.A heavyweight champion. Like do not dismiss that.

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Going down some more. Sorry, we have a bunch of them
actually that's. OK, you know.
I'm sure Damien watched. AW I'm sure he did.
Save your company 5 mil getting rid of those veterans with no
value including an Italian. First of all, Fire and Natalia
hire Natty. Here.

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Here we go. People like to start shit on
social media no matter no matterwho facts.
So was it really about our truthor was it something to bitch
about? I don't know.
I think it was really about truth.
Like think Hunter was just trying to cut costs and you know
they've made a bad move. So truth has a flat out said it

(41:24):
wasn't a word his son post on stopped the cab to trips from
the press conference statement. Yep, they get trimmed the budget
in a lot of ways. Yeah, like Roman's $15 million
contract. That man, hey, they signed
billion dollar deals under that guy.
He has he can say what he wants.WWE has pulled the curtain back

(41:45):
so far. It's impossible to lie like.
That that's that's that's that'sthat's the.
My, that's the. Kicker.
He hated jump kicker. We had.
Yeah, the Cobra versus the Iguana.
Versus the iguana, no. Yes, 100%.
I want that. Well, that's what Seth etcetera

(42:10):
are for, true. But you know, even those guys
need guys like truth and you know Ray, they those guys going
to need guys to help him. So he's a 2 time, 2 time, 2 time
champ. I'm going to keep saying that
he's a it's an N.W.A title. It's one of the oldest wrestling
titles in the United States. Like in America, like this man

(42:33):
is also a champion for that Chazpop was everything just now will
never top Cobra versus Sacco. This is true back.
Back alright let's move on here we go let's get this should be
fun this this should be a fun one.

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I'm gonna actually kind of see your take on this one Cliff.
Alright, influence in wrestling help or harm.
So with the reason why is of of the social media influencer era
of entertainment names like Logan Paul.
You know, Mariah May crazy enough, was originally a social

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media influencer before she became wrestler before she got
trained. So our influencer wrestlers
bringing a new fresh energy or are they taking spots from real
pros who paid their dues? So there are a lot of other
social media influencer. Chris Danger is an he's an

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independent wrestler who is a social influencer.
He was he's got the famous off his his WWE 2K videos.
He's just now become a wrestler,I think within within the past
two years. So what do you think Cliff?
Are they doing harm or are they helping?

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I think they're helping. I don't, I don't know, like it's
weird because I don't see, OK, so I understand Logan Paul.
OK, I can I can I understand theidea.
He's an influencer, you know, and then he got into the he got
into the business and like now he's like putting all this work.
Mariah May I don't agree with though, as far as the influence

(44:21):
goes. She was just like a model just
for like WWE shop like that. Was it like that?
It doesn't it doesn't compute mybrain because like she was there
under a different profession. So she's not influenced.
She's just modeling their stuff like what like that?
This this is a weird concept to me to think that like we would
now consider influencers. I'm thinking like if someone

(44:43):
like call me Chris or even the girl that does call me Daddy,
Joe Rogan, like Andrew Schultz, what's that?
Grant Davis, we got counsel. Yeah, there's another one.
I'm thinking like those. No.
Say he wrestles. He he's wrestled.
Too. Yeah, I'm thinking those guys
are influencers because they they don't have anything to do

(45:06):
with the business. But if they got into the
business and at that point, I would agree, like, alright,
maybe there might be something there, There might be some harm
there. But yeah, Mr. Mr. let's go on
saying a hawk to a girl. Yeah, if she got into the
business, like I would also. That's that's what I'm saying.
Like those kind of those people,right.
Like those are influencers that I would say like, yeah, they're

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they're bringing their audience over and their influence
audiences to check out stuff. Mariah May was just a model.
That's all she did. She just modeled stuff like I
just don't understand. Like then she got she got a she
got bit by the bug. Then she went and got trained
and then she worked her way up through the Indies, you know,
and it only it. So what if it only took her a
couple years to get to She went to stardom, you know, and then

(45:49):
she went to AW and then now she's in the E.
Like I just I don't agree with the idea that everybody who all
sudden came out of outside of the business and is now in is
like you're an influencer now. Like I don't get like you just
brought up what was. What she was also what she was
in some some other stuff, thoughhe acted too beforehand.

(46:13):
Right. So she has other so she has
other media that she's been attached.
Yeah, she was, but let. Me, I'm gonna look it.
Up. But my point being, I saw.
Something that she was, she was doing something.
Chelsea OK, so Chelsea Black Heart had a whole movie career
outside of wrestling. Is she an influencer?
No, she's a wrestler. Like that's what we know her as,

(46:34):
that's what she was known as like.
So to me, I'm just like, yo, she's like, that's it's.
It doesn't compute to me, right?That's TV 2 wrestling comedy
miniseries DP and a horrible anda horrible a short horror comedy
film Grand DJ. But I look at someone like,

(46:55):
would Bad Bunny be considered aninfluencer?
You know what I mean? Like.
Yes, I would consider him, yeah.For what?
He was a rapper, you know what Imean?
Like he has a he, he has anotherhe's done for.
But he my point still stands as that he was this person and then
crossed over like he's not. That's what I'm saying.

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Like when you look at Logan Paul, Logan Paul is a social
media influencer. That's what he did.
It wasn't that he does somethingelse.
If Mr. Beast got involved with pro wrestling, Mr. Beast is a
social media influencer. That's where he got his fame.
If Kim Kardashian got involved with pro wrestling, I think she
has. She did brawl one time.

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She was like the general generalmanager.
I would consider her to be an influencer because that's what
she did. But again, Mariah May and when
you look at like Bad Bunny, you see all these who are going
there and they put in the work and they grind, right?
And they're building up. I would never include like Ben

(48:00):
Bishop, right? Big trouble with Ben Bishop.
Let's talk about it's Ben's mental health month, by the way,
So, you know, support. But he is a he is a wrestler who
also does social media and social media and he's an
influencer. But I would never consider Ben
Bishop a social media guy, you know, an influencer.
He's a wrestler. So I, I think it's weird how
like it goes, it goes around like, no, I don't agree.

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I don't agree that he that Ryan May is an influencer.
I definitely say that she is a model who just happened to get
into wrestling. So I don't think it's to to
finish my point, It's, it's not harming the business.

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I I tiptoe on this, a tiptoe, A tiptoe.
I can't I can't say harm and I can't say it does good.
I will say this, most of the influencers that I've seen, I
can name a couple like Chris names is one of them, Brian
Davis. Those two, those two come to
mind when I think of influencersturn wrestlers just because

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they're not on the big WE stage yet as far as wrestling
concerns, but they're on the thethe higher up Indy shows like
your DPWS, your OVWS. I will say that it is it it it,
it does hurt to expect because for some of these guys who are

(49:35):
becoming wrestlers who don't have that influencer backing as
far as like clout and and and and fandom, it can be a little
harder for for up and coming wrestlers to get that shine in
those designated areas that these influencers are working.

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Now on the flip side, is it good?
Yes, because we're getting more eyes on wrestling.
We've said it now wrestling is in a boom period.
It's in it's in this renaissanceperiod where wrestling is cool.
Again, everyone's talking about wrestling.
So I think it is a good thing, but also it comes back to the
thing of over saturation with OK, now there's too much

(50:19):
wrestling and it's like over saturation is a thing.
So I don't think, I don't think it does harm, nor does it do any
good, but I do think we need to as far as the wrestling
community and far as wrestlers, we do need to start gatekeeping
more. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes we do.

(50:42):
Yes we do. No, we don't.
Yes we do. Because everybody thinks that
they can just be a wrestler and it's not that just so no, no.
No, get in the ring, take a bump.
Listen, that's. Why we have all these creeps and
and and suckers and wrestling now?
Because we didn't gatekeep. It's because, oh, somebody we

(51:03):
had. No, we need to.
We have creeps in a wrestling business now.
We have exactly because we didn't gate kick 10 years ago.
Whatever. No get in the business.
If you think that you could takea bump better than, I don't
know, AJ Styles, Get in and prove it.
I don't give a shit. Just no.
Just a bump, no? Just be, just watch, try, go out

(51:25):
there and give it a go. If I, if I had that mentality
where I was like, hey, you know what?
Nah, man, I'm not gonna try because you know, man, it's not
for me. Like I would never got into it.
Bro. I I literally took a chance on
myself and I was 30, 34 getting in the ring.
I had no, to be fair, I could behonest, you know, I probably had

(51:47):
no business getting in and I waslike, whatever, I'm going to try
this thing out. Go ahead.
If you think you'd go and handleit, go ahead.
But here's my problem, right? You said it yourself.
It's not fair that these guys who had the social media
influence, who built their social media platform, get these
opportunities to go and wrestle on these and these other
promotions that other people whohaven't been in the business

(52:09):
long enough to do it. We said it before we said it
years ago Chaz on the same program.
It work your ass off. Do it like if you think you
deserve to have that spot, let'sjust you know, if you think that
you've been in for 1516 plus years and you deserve a spot at

(52:29):
GCW at game changer wrestling, put your ass out there, put your
app out there. Go ahead and knock on the door,
see what happens. If you think that you belong in
AE because you've been in the business for three years, but
you're happening, what's the worst that's going to happen?
You probably not going to hear anything.
You might hear something, but don't go out of your way to say
that because these guys work their ass off that build a

(52:52):
social media platform that they don't deserve that either.
Like they just crossover to the field and they bring in more
eyes into their product. Guess what?
They're going to get that move. I get pissed at a lot of people
who get opportunities that I feel like I deserve, but guess
what? At the end of the day, I'm not
as popular as separate person. It is what it is.
I'm fine with that because I realized like if I'm supporting

(53:13):
that person who is taking these steps and getting more eyes on
the on the on fans and wrestling, then that means that
there's an opportunity for me toget those eyes on me too.
So we can't sit back here and demeanor people because we're
like, well, you were just a social media guy.
You don't really know what it's like to be in the business.
Fuck off man, They're in the business.

(53:34):
Let their fucking hang a bang and if they can't hang a bang,
it is what it is. But don't go out of your neck to
be like you don't deserve it. There's guys like in Virginia
right now. I'm going to throw his name out
there. He knows he doesn't even know I
exist. Lou nonsense.
Y'all don't even know who this guy is.
But I bet if you went on Instagram, you typed in Lou and
you went out there and looked for themes that themes that

(53:54):
wrestlers worry about for obvious reasons.
Y'all would laugh your ass off at his content.
But he's a wrestler. In fact, he worked Robbie Wayne,
who's a friend of ours, we brought him on the podcast.
Like this is the problem that I'm having is like this aspect
that we have to gatekeep this. What are we?
Are we, are we in the Star Wars community?

(54:15):
Are we like, are we that big of a nerd that we have to be like
now? If you don't know who who
wrestled in the 1992 Roy Rumble at the 17th spot, you can't be
in here. Well, I'll just say this though,
if you don't know what what? Well, who Dealo Brown is, we got
problems. Not my problem is the fact that
we. You don't know if I tell you.

(54:35):
We. Have.
What's that, brother? We have a problem.
We have a problem. No, we have we.
Need to gatekeep something. Listen if.
I come to you to give her A to give you a specific spot, a
specific move, and you tell me, what's that?
No bro, we. We.

(54:56):
No, no. Goodbye.
OK, well, that's that's you unfortunately, but I'm like you
think about like this. We're over here telling people,
listen you. Don't know how many guys?
What brother? How many?
You want what? Hey, let's keep it.
Let's just say this, 13 million people watching pro wrestling.
Let's just put that out there. What was the number for for
WrestleMania? We want to shoot.

(55:18):
Ridiculous. What?
What's ridiculous, we want to say?
20 million. People, let's go.
Let's. OK, I was even going higher than
that. 20 million people. Do you know how many people live
in the world? 8 billion.
You know how many people look back at us and like, you still
watch pro wrestling and we're like, no, don't take away my
precious stop it, stop it. We're not that person.

(55:40):
We're not that people. We cannot be that.
We have to literally tell these people, hey, yo, come on in,
give it a shot. Mia Khalifa learned that lesson
real hard when Thunderosa chopped her up right in the
chest and they made her take bumps when she's like, hey, you
know what? I don't like pro wrestling.
She said all that, that dumb assnoise and instead of saying no,
right, Thunderosa brought her in, gave her a couple, showed

(56:02):
her how to do a couple bumps, gave her a helmet, right,
because she was like, protect your skull and then gave her a
couple chops. And then you know what she was
like, Hey, you know what? This is kind of all right.
Like I don't really, I still don't really fuck with it, but I
got a lot more respect for it. And that's what we and this
that's what we need. But we don't need to sit back
here and be like, Nah, you got your popularity by doing like

(56:25):
Instagram, Instagram reels. Now you can't hang with us
because they're looking at us like a me and my 20 million
people who follow us think you guys are fucking nerds.
And I'm like, yeah, I think we're fucking nerds too because
that guy said that you shouldn'tbe in the business.
Like, stop it. Go.
To the confidence. Yeah, fuck out of here with

(56:47):
that. If they did come into business
respectfully and generally want to learn and respect to work, I
don't see an issue with for it. I don't either, Denning.
And there was Pat Patterson. As far as creepos, Mr. Golden,
is that hilarious? He absolutely is.
He is. The question is how do wrestlers

(57:09):
have that have been around for along time, paid their dues, feel
about these influencers? I'm pretty sure that they're
going and you know what? We gonna make some fucking money
because they don't care if you're at the E.
If you're at the E, you're at AWor you're at TNA or New Japan,
you're like, hey, we about to make some money.

(57:31):
Bailey versus Kim in that ass match.
Who was it that used to say don't know a wrist lock from a
wristwatch? There's a few people who said
it. I've heard it's funny.
I. Don't know who said I've heard
so many people over. There, I've heard so many people
say it. But and I see, I hear all the
old heads saying. Yeah, I, I, I do hear the old, a

(57:53):
lot of old people. And I know Simon Gotch said it
about another wrestler. If you don't know, you can look
it up yourself. I'm not going to talk about it.
Oh yeah, he was talking about Enzo.
I was going to say, but I'm gladyou did.
You know I don't. Care.
Let these people in front of them in these shows.
Too That a lot of people. A lot of people, yeah, a lot of

(58:15):
people. But yeah, it's just it, it goes
back to man, like, listen, like it's pro wrestling, man.
We literally watch Cain Velasquez have one match in pro
wrestling with Brock Lesnar and never show up again, You know
what I mean? Like, and this people got to
stop, man. But they bring over a bigger
audience, and that's ultimately what people want.

(58:35):
You want more eyes on a project,but you want a gatekeep who gets
to watch. That's crazy.
I don't want. A gatekeep who watches.
I want a gatekeep who actually comes in the business.
I don't. Yeah, but who's actually getting
in the business I don't want. OK, so let's.
Let's play it out. That means that if you was in,
would you have let Logan Paul get in?

(58:59):
Probably. I probably still would.
He was doing the fight, but I'm.Glad everybody else Don't lie to
the fans. Don't lie to everybody here.
I'm not. No, I'm not lying.
I mean. You lying in front of.
The fights with Connor and he was doing all, all those
exhibition stuff. I probably still was, yeah.
No, you'd have been like, he hasthe Japan thing.
We're not going to let him in. I.

(59:22):
Still don't know what the heck happened for that.
I still don't know what that is.So people say I sit all the time
and I just don't care enough to look it up.
Oh, you have a problem? OK, let me ask the question.
Actually, Mr. Golden actually put in a thing here.
I'm going to put this up. OK, real quick.
Do you have a problem with I show speed?
I don't know. I don't know.
I I don't know who I don't like.I don't watch.

(59:43):
The only person I like, I watch out of these little streamer
dudes is constant. He's funny.
Did you did you have a problem with Kai being at the Royal
Rumble? Well, he didn't do anything.
Didn't ask that question. That's not what I asked.
Did I have a problem with him? No.
No. Do you have a problem with him
being at the Rumble? That's my question.
Being at it, no. OK, so he's at the Rumble, but

(01:00:03):
he's backstage. OK, so he's not in the ring,
he's not working. But Kaisen, who also is a just a
massive streamer, right, is in aring.
We got a problem. He was not working on match.
Doesn't change what I said. He's in the rumble is him.
He's. In the rumble, he's in the
rumble. Did you have a problem?

(01:00:24):
With no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no.
Did you have problems? I showed speed when he got
speared. Yes.
I showed that's first of all, that was funny.
That's also stupid. Wait, yes, I think it was.
It was funny, entertaining, but stupid.
But think about how many eyes like got brought over to the

(01:00:44):
Double I. Get that?
I get that. I understand that point making
money. I'm not debating that.
Yes, I I get that you're bringing the eyes.
I I'm all for that. I understand that we still can
gatekeep. We had no problem like we had a
problem. OK, remember.
We had a problem with Snooki. We had a problem with Snooki
until she showed up at WrestleMania and then we're all

(01:01:07):
like, hey yo, she tearing it up,What about Kim Jong?
Ken Jong had that whole spot where he jumped off the top rope
onto John Cena. John Cena threw him over the top
rope. He's an actor.
He's not. Yeah, it's just I'm done, man.
And that's what I'm talking about.
Like I'm just do we have a problem with OK, here's a here's

(01:01:29):
1, You have a problem with Travis Scott.
He's not influencing. The rap.
Yeah, I hate this man. He's a celebrity, Not one
second. Oh my God.
OK, But the man is still bringing eyes over to the
product. I guess that's at the end of the
day, that's where I'm going to be at.
If you're bringing bring eyes tothe product, I don't care.

(01:01:51):
Bring eyes to the product. I like it.
Alright, real quick, let's go toour last time.
So I think I'm gonna be nice to you all.
I'm gonna drop I'm gonna drop footage at the end of the show
you all make here and twitch andaren't here all right that's the
I'll ask the big topic be talking about it.

(01:02:14):
Look, this has been one of the greatest rivalries of this
generation all right, despite how people's personal feelings
towards the wrestling long. But this is one of the premier
rivalries of this generation. So AW is planning to run back
Omega versus Ocada at all in Texas All right is this instant

(01:02:34):
classic or recycle robbery? Are we still invested or we
ready to move on All right. What about you Cliff?
What you got you start just one We know we know what I'm going
to say I. Think everybody's going to be
excited about this match. I wouldn't be fair.
I think he's just kind of recycled like they're they're
grasping on straws to bring in more ratings, which I don't
knock on for doing that. But it's like at the end of the

(01:02:57):
day, man, like if you're going to want to watch these guys
work, you're going to go back and watch all the stuff they
talk about from New Japan. Because guess what they're going
to talk about on AW, They're notgoing to talk about how this is
a premium. They're going to be like this
supreme matchup. They're not going to talk about,
oh man, did you see that six mantag that Kenny Omegan Okado did?
No, they're going to talk about the stuff they did at New Japan.

(01:03:19):
So you go watch the stuff at NewJapan.
That's why, because that's why we got invested into them.
So I think for me, if you want to put this match on a bigger
stage, I understand why you wantto do that.
But I don't think it gets any bigger than a Tokyo Dome outside
of like WrestleMania. So I think to me it's it's it's
kind of it's kind of recycled, bro.
It is what it is. The bad man is about to go

(01:03:56):
one-on-one, OK with the wrestling magician that is Kenny
Omega. OK, we're doing it again.
Because when those two masterminds of professional
wrestling get together, it is magic, OK?

(01:04:17):
Is it recycled rivalry? Yes.
Who cares? Who cares?
When I even dealt when I'm putting for the best for the
biggest title. Exactly.
It's not if that's my point, it's exactly what I was about to
go. It's not even for the AEW
Championship. This match really, as much as

(01:04:41):
the fan, me who loves the Okada and and and K Omega matches,
Those are the matches that that really define my pro wrestling
fandom as as a old teenager, young adult, Like I I'm all for
this as a fan, but let's be real, like you said, Cliff is
not even for the biggest title. It's it's for the mid card,

(01:05:02):
though, which is cool. You'll you'll give that some you
know, the title summer's prestige have net.
You know that match up being forit, you know, cool, But let's be
for real. All in is is is looking not
looking real. All in ish it's looking real
Backlash wrestle WrestleMania Backlash is what it's looking
like. It's looking real mid.

(01:05:25):
It's not. It doesn't feel like they're big
show of the year. They're going to get 20 minutes
in this 6 hour pay-per-view. They're going to get 20 minutes.
We're going to probably see halfof what we saw previously in
their old matches and then we'rejust going to see a bunch of

(01:05:46):
false finishes. I don't think this match is
going to be anywhere close to asgood as any of their previous
matches in New Japan. I just don't think Kenny's old,
OK, you know, age is a thing. Kenny's a little bit slower, a
little bit slower. Still dealing with, you know,
his, his, his, his thing that you did the, the, the North.

(01:06:09):
Carolina's yeah. So he's a little bit slower and
there's, you know, if you noticeKenny's, Kenny's changed his
style a little bit. So to, you know, to, to
compensate, which is what you'resupposed to do.
I just do not see them having, you know, creating lightning
twice or catching lightning twice in a bottle, whatever that
freezes. I just don't see it happening.

(01:06:29):
These two, as great as they are and they're still great, are not
the same to competitors as they were then.
They don't even work the same anymore, like at all.
So I know, I know I can be proven wrong.
They they look in a couple weeks, right?

(01:06:50):
They'll go out there and they'llprobably have Max look.
Meltzer will probably give it 9 to 9 stars this time just 'cause
I could be wrong, but being someone who who watches Okai
weekly, who watches Kenny weeklyand who watch them in New Japan,
I just don't see this. Like, are we invested?

(01:07:13):
We'll be invested because of thename is Kenny Omega versus Oka.
You're going to all man. That's like saying John Cena
versus Randy Orton, no matter what era, you're going to be
invested just off the name. But two names can be true.
Can we be in still be invested? Yes.
And can we still be ready to move the heck on from this?

(01:07:34):
Yes. Also yes.
Yes. So the big question was, you
know, are we invest or are we ready to move on?
It's both. It really is both.
We can be invested. I've invested.
I'm all for it. When they announced it, I put in
a group chat, inject this in my veins.

(01:07:55):
Like I'm all like, it doesn't matter.
Like whatever you did, it's Kenny Omega and it's Okada.
So you're going, you're going tobe invested, but we got to move
on. And this, yeah, it's, it's
overdone. It's overdone especially and
it's too recently overdone. Yep.
Whereas I and I'm like the ordinance seen it as like

(01:08:18):
another as a as a comparison. We got that recently, but it's
been like what, 857 years, eightyears in a sense.
So took that last one-on-one match.
But yeah, it's, it's, it's that it's time to move on.
It definitely is, yeah. Remember, and we can't be all
hyped up right, because everybody was looking forward to

(01:08:40):
when AJ Styles and she's gettingNakamura had their match at
WrestleMania and they were talking about how great it was
at rest at Wrestle Kingdom and they're like, it's going to be
amazing and it. Being one of those persons.
Yeah, and it wasn't. Like, yeah, my it, my New Japan
and the WWE and WWE and neutral.That's what it was.

(01:09:05):
Yep. So it was what it was.
Paint characters in the in the WWE?
Yep. And then so I mean, I know AW
going to let them kind of like they're going to loosen up the
reins and let them run their match the way they want to run
it. But I'm still going to say, man,
like it's it's just going to be OK.

(01:09:25):
Like, is he going to get 6 1/2 stars from Meltzer?
Probably, but who cares? That man, literally I just
watched him tweet out something earlier today, something about
how many five star matches certain matches have at TNA or
something like that. And I was like no one cares
about your rating system. Sorry, that was off track.
But I also think that this is a recycled and I'm ready to kind

(01:09:48):
of move on from Canadian Okada and just let them kind of do
their thing. Now.
I will want to see like Okada and will Osprey run it back.
I'll always be down for that, especially right now.
Facts. Five years from now?
Probably not all. Right, go to the comments, see

(01:10:11):
what they say. I'm different.
Done. So folks, make sure you go like
and vote on who should be Dumbass of the Week once we get
the comments. Going to David Arquette was WCW
champion. And and that was one of the
worst things they did. Right.
And then he came back as a pro wrestler and, you know, was
doing things but also got messedup in the process.

(01:10:35):
There was nothing positive aboutTravis Scott's appearances.
That's not entirely true. He's you're talking about him.
So that's what I think. Whether you love him or hate
him, as long as you're spreadinghis name and his brand, that's
all that business cares about. Alright, let's go on over.

(01:10:56):
If you haven't done so, folks, this is your last opportunity.
Go vote for who should be Damien's Dumbass of the Week.
All right, TKO, Damien, Fatal, Twitch and the IWC, they are the
nominees for Dumbass of the Week.
And let's see here, 100 percent of the vote goes to TKO.

(01:11:25):
Jeez. Parts in the vote so TKO you
have won that's two weeks in a row actually because they won it
last week too can. We mess up.
TKO, you are officially the dumbass of the week.

(01:11:46):
Being prepared for your trophy on Twitter this week with a dumb
ass of the week. Other than that, all right, I've
said I I was going to be nice. I'm gonna do it Cliff.
But if you look in layers, I think I think Oh no, there it

(01:12:07):
is. I think I I'm dropping footage,
unreleased footage. This is FWA footage.
I might get fired for dropping this footage, but it's footage I
think I. I hope I miss my adults to five

(01:12:41):
years of pure ignorance, five years of chicken ass, five years
of changing the status quo, fiveyears of just taking over the
DMV. All right, look, showcase
division champion, N.W.A tag team champion, SWA tag team
champion know what it is, So look to reclaiming the throne.

(01:13:09):
I waited an entire year to claimthe throne, and now I'm finally
the Prince of the People. Five years.
Five years are the greatest teamalive doing exactly what they
said they was going to do, Dominate.
Me and my boy Chads are the SWA tag champs, while my boy Prince

(01:13:31):
reigns as the SWA Showcase division champion because oh,
hold on, hold on, yo. Oh, oh, bro, slow down.

(01:13:52):
What's going on? Huh?
What? OK.
All right, All right. I'll see you soon.
All right, What's Chris? He.

(01:14:17):
Is it coming? What's going on?
Yeah, I got some news. Damien's back.
You know what? Let Damien come, all right?
And if Damien wants the war, then he knows where to find his

(01:14:40):
brothers. Other than that, seven season.
Oh, Oh yeah, we're gonna have toget canned.
You know it's good Still my. Pants.
Oh, that's, that's one. I got down.

(01:15:00):
I said I look, I was like, what are we talking about?
Alright, there you go. Sneak peek, sneak preview.
Yeah, so if you haven't bought your ticket for SWA, you
probably do that now because I'll check friends.
We won't be there. All right, if you ever done so,

(01:15:22):
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