THE 3 COUNT PODCAST PRESENTS: RED DAWG AND FRIENDS - THE ONE WITHOUT CHAS OR DAMIEN

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Debate Topic 1:

“Is Mercedes Moné’s belt collector run elevating women’s wrestling—or just recycled storytelling?”

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Debate Topic 2:

“Should WWE push Goldberg in a major title match at his age?”

Does nostalgia still sell, or is it time to move on from legends hogging the spotlight?

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Debate Topic 3:

“Is the term ‘Independent Wrestler’ losing its meaning in 2025?”

Can you still be ‘indie’ if you’re on TV every week or working internationally under big banners?

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Episode Transcript

(00:59):
What's up? You see the logo, you see what's
happening right now. You understand that the Chaz
isn't here. So what does that mean?
It's Red Dog and friends. So do we here to talk about?
We're here to talk about Mercedes Monet.
Is her title run good for women's wrestling or is it like
just recycled Deuce? We're going to be talking about
Goldberg, right? Is the title of fans good?

(01:22):
Like is he does he deserve that shot or is it just kind of
installed just not really payingoff anymore?
And last but not least, as my camera freezes, you guys see the
term independent wrestler. Does it really mean what it
means now? I mean, it is 2025 like, oh, did
we really talk about? So all that plus you guys get
your normals, you know, pushing to berries, you're going to get
your temp checks. You get all that fun stuff and

(01:42):
tuning into our show. You know what it is Red dog of
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And once again, we going to run this right back.
So what is it today? You know, it is red dog and
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That means I have my only friendhere because the other one is
at, you know, Fight Club Pro wrestling.
Big shout outs to you guys with DI or die.

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And then of course, it is also Braden's birthday today.
So holla at the boy, the birthday boy himself and Damien
Ayo. Enjoy that birthday my guy.
So more importantly, what we gotgoing on, it is the only Graves
that matters. The reason why Corey cannot be
called up to the main roster, heis Twitch Graves.

(04:03):
Follow me, for I have never LED you astray.
How you doing buddy? I'm great, man.
I'm great. How are you doing you?
Want that? Other than the fact that this
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So every once in a while, if it freezes, just not I'm just going
to drop out and drop back in because like, you know, just
being stuck in the time loop. I just looked back at our our
video almost like as I'm like doing the rest of it.

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(05:33):
So he's he'll be back here in a minute.
I kind of got put on the spot here by our merch.
Check out previous shows, followus on all social media platforms
like he was saying. Yeah, do all that.
So what are we talking about today?
Well, I want to jump right into it.

(05:54):
So we jump into temp chat. Temp chat if you guys don't know
what temp check is, it is our hottest, our coldest in our
match of the week. So as you can tell, Twitch and I
are going to be here. So Twitch, let us know your
hottest coldest in your match ofthe week.
My hottest and my coldest. I will say for a moment, my

(06:16):
match of the week is not a match, it's a return.
Shout out to Kodo Abushi returning.
It's it's cool to see him back doing his thing.
I've been a big Kodo Abushi fan since the Golden Lovers in New
Japan Pro Wrestling. I think he is a phenomenal
talent and it's cool to see him back in the ring doing his
thing. My hottest and my coldest are

(06:39):
the same exact person. I guess his connection dropped
out. He'll be back here in a second.
See, look, told you my hottest and my coldest are the same
exact person. And it's, it's kind of a
conundrum because I have a little fact sheet right here
that I wrote some facts down that we're going to piss Chaz

(07:02):
and Damien off. But as you can see, they they
couldn't handle the heat so theydecided not to show up today.
Fact number one in this lovely 25 year career of my hottest and
coldest, Mr. John Cena, you haveclaimed that you have not taken
any time off in 25 years. I'm here to tell you that the

(07:24):
amount of time you have taken off is equal to roughly five
years, whether that be medical issues or you deciding to go
shoot a movie. So fuck you for not living up to
that. My second fact, if you have to
tell yourself that you are the greatest of all time, that is

(07:46):
obviously a lie. If you go back to August 18th of
2024, you would see that we did Part 2 of our top 100 list and
the number one spot was not you,Mr. John Cena.

(08:08):
I don't think you have been number one on anybody's list.
Therefore, you are not the greatest of all time that making
you my coldest wrestler of the week.
What made you my hottest wrestler of the week?
With the fact that you took the pipe bomb promo despite the fact
that you butchered it a little bit and made it your own.

(08:30):
Kudos to you. That promo was fired.
Yeah, yeah. Evening, Keith.
What is up? How?
You doing, Maggie? Let's let's.
OK, so my match of the week is actually going to be AJ Styles
versus Sami Zayn on Smack Down. Fire, fire match.

(08:53):
OK, Anytime you get to put thosetwo work horses in the ring
together, of course, you know what you're going to get.
So yeah, fire, coldest wrestle of the Actually, I'm going to go
with the hottest wrestle of the week.
Hottest wrestle of the week. I don't give this man a lot of
love. I really don't give this man
very much love on this podcast, but I will this time.
Hangman Page. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(09:13):
OK. Yeah, Why?
Well, you know what? I it's one thing that I make fun
of a lot of people who attempt to cut promos in another
language, right? But it was just something about,
you know, the show Grand Slam, you know, in Mexico and just
seeing Adam out there, like, first of all, my man came out
right off the RIP and apologized.

(09:34):
He's like, Yo, my Spanish isn't good.
My apologies, right, But I'm going to try to cut this
Spanish. And it was just, I don't know, I
felt where he was coming from. And I was like, you know, as as
a Latino who also butchers my Spanish a lot, I was like, I
can, I can feel this. And I know he's a gringo, OK, I
know he's he's a white dude. But my point being is that it
was just cool to see someone cuta promo.

(09:55):
And I know like, to be fair, I know John Cena has done it in
Chinese. I don't care about him doing it
in Chinese. I care about Spanish.
That's what I care about. And he did.
To be fair though, John Cena canspeak Mandarin.
He can. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And because and I and I, you know, he's talked about it like
numerous times, but he also brought it up on Logan Paul's
impulsive that, you know, the WWE will pay you to learn

(10:17):
another language. And so by all means, like, I'm
not trying to knock the fact that John Cena can speak
Mandarin fluently. I'm just saying that I just
liked watching Hangman do it in front of a live crowd on the
microphone. And I was like, that was that
was fire. Like the whole promo, 5 minutes
worth. He's just cutting a promo in
Spanish. And I was like, dog, yay, bravo.

(10:37):
With that being said, my coldestwrestler of the week will also
be John Cena. And not because he missed time.
No, because that fucking promo was fired.
Yo, just straight ice cold. And I know like Coldest and this
podcast means that we're like, hey, like, oh, like you're not.

(10:59):
Doing that shit was cold. That shit was cold.
Bro he was so unfair with him man.
Like I love the fact we started it as like the pie ball with
like CM Punk and everything. I love that.
Also I don't know if you remember or not but who cost
John Cena? The tables match?
Well, when CM Punk dropped the Pike bomb, who was he wrestling?

(11:20):
Who? Was he wrestling?
He was wrestling truth. Was he?
Yeah. It was the one thing I noticed
last night, like watching both promos, I was like, oh, snap.

(11:41):
So to see this all come back full circle, I was like, this is
lit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, you know, obviously Cena beats our truth on Smackdown.
Punk comes out, does his thing and then like and then, you
know, the whole thing starts off.
So it was definitely it was definitely cool to see see that
all workout and then play out and then yo shout us to shouting

(12:01):
out Claudio, Nick Nemeth and Matt Cardona.
Cardona, you right. I'm surprised they didn't censor
him. Well, and so there's OK, so
there's some people who've been digging like deeper and I think
this might be we're going into wrestling conspiracy, right,
that he chose those names specifically right now, John

(12:22):
maybe just shouting out his friends, I don't know.
But somebody said that he was shouting out like Claudio
Cassanoli, CC for Cole Cabana, Nick for Nick Jackson and Matt
for Matt. Jackson.
For the people, for the people that punk wasn't getting along
with in the back. So I was like, I don't know if
that's true or not. I don't want to buy into that.

(12:44):
But it is kind of funny. Like if that was the case, like
if that's like a deeper meaning,if we're trying to do like the
Kendrick Lamar, like double entendres, like I'm.
Here for it. I'm here for it, but let me get
into my coldest B wrestler of the week, right?
So listen, I don't, I do 1A1 BS all the time and it wasn't even

(13:08):
like a 1B per SE up until like there was no 1B until about an
hour and a half ago. Oh yeah.
Yes, let me talk about something.
Let me let me spell this. Let me spell this out for you
Twitch. You tell me how you supposed to
feel right? So we went SWA it last week and
we didn't have a show last weekend because it was Father's

(13:28):
Day and obviously we don't have one on Mother's Day.
We don't have one on Father's Day.
Also it was Chaz's birthday. Just kind of put it out there,
but we didn't do the show last week, so we got to talk about it
right now. OK, so last week, surely their
sister thing, right, big shout outs, big love, right?
They had to, they had to sweep both talk about their titles and
stuff like that. They they asked me to come out,
right. So I answer the call, I come

(13:49):
out, we talking about it. You know, they just asked me
about joining up with them and stuff like that.
You know, this, that and the other cool.
Damien is also in the ring by the way, Damien is out.
I didn't realize I I had heard rumors about this happening.
And so like in the underground, like doing an Intel report, kind
of saw that happening. So anyway, Damien's there and I

(14:10):
even addressed Damien. I was like, hey, like Prince
Noah Chaz, It's great to see youguys Damien as well.
It's good to see you. It's great to see that you're
out, right. So anyway, I'm cutting this
problem. I'm talking about it.
And then all of a sudden this, this dude, I, I want to, I want
to keep this PG because I want to clip this and drop this
somewhere else. This dude, Curt Blair comes out
right knowing that he cost me mychance at winning the crown's

(14:33):
championship, the SWA Crown's championship.
This man kicked me in the back of the head.
This man comes out and talk about in this promo, and I don't
know if you guys saw it. Well, maybe I'll link it.
I don't know. I don't really care about it
that much. But this man said if I win, when
I win the SWA Crown's championship, that the first
title shot was going to come to me, right?
Like, I don't care. I don't care.

(14:54):
I care about the fact that I didn't need him to be in the
match at all. And then he kicked me in the
back of head. So this man, what happens?
He hits me in the face. OK Pi jumps him.
I pull Pi off. I told Pi was like, no, this is
my business. I'm a handle it.
PIBMPII didn't catch a beat down.

(15:16):
OK, it happens. So I get saved up by two other
dudes. Right City comes out and saves
me. I just want to put that out
there. Right City, save me.
OK, thank you to Right City, by the way.
So anyway, we end up having a match.
OK, Pi versus Right City and RedDog.
OK, this dude, Kurt Blair, decides that he wants to come

(15:38):
out and save the day. He wants to get his lick back on
Pi. OK, kicks me in the face again.
Again kicks me in the face. Now he I don't even know if he
had any remorse to it. I end up losing a match.
I get caught 123, I'm out. OK, It is what it is at that

(16:01):
point. So what happens later that
night? I'm going to be fair.
I caught this dude lacking. This man was like, yeah, I'm
about to win this title up untilthe point I hit this man with
the punchline out. OK, It is what it is.
I I see it as listen, you cheap shot at me by clipping me in the

(16:21):
SWA championship match. You cheap shot me at the
beginning of a show and then youkicked me again when I wasn't
looking. So you hit me now three times
and what is it in baseball? What do we say?
3 strikes in your what out? So what I do I come and handle
business. So when I talk about cold as
wrestler, why is it that this dude puts up this photo and it

(16:46):
says I deserve it, I deserve it.You deserved it.
That's what it says in the caption.
If you guys can't read you guys look, if you guys listen to song
store, it's him throwing a superkick, kicking me in the
face, saying I deserved it, thatI deserved it, that I'm the
reason why So I'm the bad guy here in this situation.
I deserve to get kicked in the mouth because why you was aiming
for me purposely this time, likewhat's the problem?

(17:08):
Or you still mad because I referred to you as Drake earlier
that night and then called you aminor because you were still a
minor. OK.
And I'm going to I let it be. No, I let it happen like yo,
where I went in there and I was like, yo, you want to win this
championship and hope for my dead body?
You going to win this championship?
You cost me my championship. You ain't winning this either.
So when I think of coldest wrestler of the week, and I'm

(17:29):
not talking about John Cena coldwith the promo, I'm talking
about ice cold as bro, you're frozen a block of ice.
Because I promise you, man, whenI catch up with Curt Blair, I'm
going to hit this dude so hard. He's going to freeze to death
before he stops rolling. That's how cold he is.
So Curt Blair, you are our coldest wrestler.
Not just this week and last week.
What are future weeks? And just know when I don't

(17:49):
mention your name, it's because,listen, the seventh layer of
hell is viral cold and you are sitting right there at the
bottom. So fuck, you have to make sure
to cut that off at the. End Damn.
Yeah, you'd. Be Curt Blair.
Yeah, the hell that guy, man, itwas crazy, man.
Man kicked me in the mouth, bro.Like I don't know where.
Like I want to get my lick back too.

(18:11):
Whatever the hell with him. Anyway, let's hop into these
comments real quick. Hottest of the week goes to
Flair's knees for holding up on Smackdown.
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
Also I did like I ain't been up front.
Like I loved Piper's post about how she's, she's like that flair

(18:34):
came out unscathed was like yo, it was brutal.
Anthony, yo love you guys, love you big Brody.
If you guys don't know Anthony, he's still in the ICU right now.
Big prayers, big love to him. You know, he had another surgery
to get get a wound cleaned up, but he is doing great.
He's getting stronger. All we're getting is to do is to

(18:55):
keep praying for him, keep pushing for him.
My man is doing great things. Just keep healing bro.
You know, all our love and support, man, 100% See, Matt
just gave a shout out to Cena onGCW.
Of course he did, because, you know, yeah, keep that train
rolling. It's not like I don't know if
Nick, Nick Nemeth is going to give him a shout out on TNA.

(19:17):
But if he does, if he does though, and let's just say
Claudio gives a shout out to John Cena on AW, that would be
like, imagine being being like shouted out on three different
promotions. Like how wild would that be?
Should blow my mind, but I just ah, man, I'm just I just do
mine. You can't keep my mind out of

(19:37):
the fact that the SWA crowns championship like this dude,
Kurt Blair's kicking me in the face, man.
Like I and then you had the audacity to put out a picture
called I deserve it. Like bro what?
The hell with you, sounds like you deserve what's about to
happen to you. Man, I'm telling you right now,
man. So it's just ridiculous.
Ridiculous is all I got to say. All right, but let's get into

(20:00):
our first debate topic, man. I want to talk about this.
Actually. What I meant to do is.
Drop this too, we do have a warning out there.
Yeah, we gonna need that. Yeah, we gonna need this for
right now. All right, let's talk about this
real quick. Mercedes Monet is a belt
collector. She has six titles currently,
including the CMLCMLL Women's Championship.

(20:21):
Big runs for her. Is she elevated women's
wrestling or is it just recycledstorytelling?
Of course, the man who put this topic together is not here, so
we don't have to figure this out, we have to put this
together. So how you feeling about this?
It's just awkward at this point,like how often does she defend

(20:42):
these titles? I feel like she travels a bit.
Yeah, I don't. I don't follow her as much
anymore as I did when she was with the E.
It's hard to keep up with where she's going to be and what she's
going to do. But apparently it's a title
match every time and apparently she's going to win every time.

(21:04):
I don't, I don't understand it. But I mean, I if it works, it
works and apparently she's making it work so I don't have
any quarrels with it. I just, I would, I would hate to
see those titles become obsoletebecause she's not defending

(21:25):
them. But like I said, I don't know
how often she does. If she's defending them all the
time, then by all means go aheadbecause I know, like you said,
she travels a lot. So that's, that's really all I
got for this one. I don't if she's defending them,

(21:45):
more power to her. If she's just belt collecting
for a showcase then it's kind ofshame on you, but at the same
time that falls on the promoter because they're putting on
water. I, I'm kind of different about
this man. I, I like it.
I like it because it reminds me of Ultimo Dragon.

(22:06):
Like Ultimo Dragon at one time, what did he have like 13 titles
that he was like? I think it was closer to 14 or
15. Yeah, I mean, one man was coming
up with like, remember he had the hands and like all the
titles were like draping. Working.
Gold. Yeah.
And one man was dripping all thegold.
He had so many bells that he had, like, girls coming out with
him, also holding titles like, Ilike, I like that aspect of it.

(22:27):
I don't mind it. I And again, it goes back to
like, if she's defending all of them.
She did drop the New Japan Pro Wrestling.
I did see that. She did drop that title, you
know, and then of course, she was at House of Glory.
She made her debut at House of Glory and she wrestled against
Indy. She didn't win.
So like there's another. So it's not like she's losing

(22:49):
these titles and like gaining another one, but she is like
putting over certain titles. You know, CMLL just put a trust
on her. You know that she's going to be
in Mexico defending AW, she still has the TNT or the TBS and
then she's going to be movie. You know, she's actually going
against Tony storm. And I guess originally there was
a plan for her to lose to Athena.

(23:10):
Allegedly. I'm going to put this other
right. You shouldn't lose to Athena for
the Owen Hart championship. But because my maiden signed and
it went to WWE, they had to change the game plan.
So they had Athena lose and thenshe goes she goes on to face
Tony storm. So it is kind of cool.
I I like it a lot. I'm not going to front.
I mean, as long as she's out there defending them, I don't

(23:33):
know. I don't know how often she's at
rough pro, but I know she still has a women's championship.
There's some other titles in there and the and the real the
six titles like the own heart title really doesn't.
Does it really count? No, I see.
I don't count that as a, as a real title.
Yeah, that's like saying, OK, you count the the greatest Royal

(23:54):
Rumble title as a title. Like I think people still talk
about that as it was a real title.
Well then, Braun Strowman is on one hell of a run.
Yeah, my man is My man is undefeated.
Yo, I mean, you might want to you might want to start
questioning your your reign because.
Adam Adam is definitely holding down the Fort when it comes to

(24:14):
like longest running championship as well.
I I. And I agree with what you said.
It, it, it's not a bad thing. She is a popular talent that
everybody wants to be a part of her roster.
Everybody wants to see her with some sort of gold around her
waist. I'm sure she's negotiated that

(24:35):
in her contract somewhere. I I I don't hate it.
I don't like it. But it, it's like we both have
said, if she's defending them, by all means, put more on her.
Yeah, but like Keith said in thecomments, Ultimo Dragon did it
better. Well, OK, I'm going to pull that

(24:57):
comment up real quick. And you're right, like Ultimo
Dragon, right? But it's, it goes back to Ultimo
Dragon. Like like a lot of those titles
that he had won was basically inJapan.
And then also he had won a few of them like in Mexico.
So like he was travelling between those two regions.
And then I think he did end up winning like the WCW
Cruiserweight title for like a little bit, but like.

(25:18):
Yeah, like the TV title or something.
Yeah, like he won, he'd he'd wona couple titles.
But it's like when you go back to looking at someone like
Mercedes Monet, like, you know, she's got a lot of eyes on the
product, right? A lot of eyes looking at
different belts, trying to figure out what titles that
she's holding, researching thosecompanies.
So if she can shed some new light on those titles or I know
there's a lot of fans out there who know every single title that

(25:41):
she's holding and like know the lineage of it.
But for the casual fan that may not know, that's not adapted to
that. I don't know about, I don't know
about you, but I don't know muchabout CMLL at all.
I don't, I don't other than the fact that they would arrival the
triple-A before they got bought by yeah, it's kind of kind of
all I know, like, you know, and then when I look at it, I'm just

(26:02):
kind of like, alright, 'cause wasn't it?
Was it Stephanie Vacker that held ACMLL title before she she
left? Yep.
Then you know what I mean? So it just it goes back and
forth and that's what I'm sayinglike there's even a question in
that that do we really know who had that title?
Like was it really that? So I think for me, what it is
is, is I'm very happy that she'sholding it down.

(26:24):
I get it. Like a lot of people are like,
listen, she's she's not she's not this, she's not that I don't
care. I just like the fact that we're
seeing Mercedes out here holdingit.
You know, she's the blueprint. She talks about it.
She's a blueprint. The CEO, she's the person in
charge. You know, I mean, like, and
she's doing a thing and like everybody has to pay attention
to herself. She doesn't lose very often
right now, and I kind of like that aspect of it.

(26:45):
But when she does, you pay attention.
Like I said, like a lot of people aren't going to know that
she was at House of Glory and that she put over Indy Hartwell,
but she didn't. I didn't know it.
Yeah, so I thought that was cool.
Like I was like, all right, so she can't.
She's not holding down every single title, but she's also not
winning every single title, you know what I mean?
You said it correctly. If she can bring more eyes to a

(27:07):
promotion that that right there is all I would personally care
about. Like because that granted you're
holding whatever we said 5-6 titles now, something like that.
Yeah, you're helping everybody by bringing eyes to that
promotion. Yep, probably it's not so I

(27:29):
don't know, I, I mean, I get it.I think if you're going to
compare it to somebody, if you're trying to compare it,
because I feel like when that, that'd be funny.
When Chad put this together, when he put it together, I think
he was thinking of the Kenny Omega like his belt run where it
was like AAA plus TNA Impact andthen, you know, obviously the AW
championship. But I don't, I don't see it that
way. I just I I don't see it that

(27:49):
way. No, no.
I feel like this is kind of a different thing.
It's his own thing and she's doing it.
And I don't see aside us from Viva Van, right?
I don't see another female who was holding down a ton of
titles. I talked about it with her on
the podcast. If you guys didn't go check out
that episode. I did refer to her as the more

(28:12):
person, the person holding more titles in your favorite slur,
which at that time was Kenny Omega was like holding four
titles and she had like 6 or 7. So I I like it.
I'm here for it. You know, I, you know, want to
give a lot of love to to Mercedes as well as Viva, right,
Because she did great things. She's doing great things still.
You know, I just just know, like, yeah, you know, I I don't

(28:33):
see this as a recycled. I think this is it's its own
thing and I kind of I'm here forit and I just want to see what
happens, you know, with all in. It's going to be crazy.
Any last thoughts? No man, I'm I pretty much said
my piece on that one. That all right, well, we're

(28:54):
going to get into the second part and I've already put up the
comment, you know shout outs to just Keith for putting that out
there so we're going to go into our next favorite thing, which
is it's actually let's show you this stuff we're going to go
into another one thing that you guys all love that I love and it
is called it's Damien's dumb as of the we.

(29:21):
Y'all know what it is Damien's dumb ass week.
Damien isn't here but he also will not be put on dumbass of
the week because a family comes first that's how we always do.
But who we putting on Dumbass ofthe Week?

(29:44):
Ah, Corey Graves. Corey Graves on there.
Because you appeared on my TV this week.
Yeah, actually, no, I am. I, I'm going to, I'm going to
save that for Pusher Berry if wedo that.
OK. Damn, I don't really know who to
put up for Dumbass of the week. It's kind of tough this week

(30:06):
because there was a lot of. Nobody's done anything super
egregious. Yeah.
I mean, I'll put one out there. I will put VKM in there because
my man lost his. My man lost his bid to own Bare
knuckle fighting. Do you know how how crazy it has

(30:29):
to be to have the name of Vincent Kennedy McMahon and not
be able to make your way into buying bare knuckle fight?
Bare Knuckle fighting like BF? So.
Yeah. So happy but.
KFC and my man couldn't get and he had the name and he was like,
I want creative control. And they're like, no, no.

(30:51):
Yeah. I'm going to put that in there.
I'm going to go with that. Yeah, how cool with that?
Did Tony Khan do anything stupid?
I mean, he had a solid show at at Grand Slam Mexico, so I can't
really like. Even he even got Daniel Bryan,
Brian Danielson to appear. I know.
That's why I'm like, I can't be mad at him.

(31:13):
I'm like, this is a pretty solidshow, man.
I can't be upset and even collision was a good show too.
So like I although I would not have I would not I would rather
not have Shane Taylor lose, but also you can't we also can't
have Shane Taylor win Smurf. Like maybe just not book the

(31:35):
match. OK, maybe not book the match.
So. Do we?
So do we just give it automatically to VKMI?
Feel like that might just have to be.
A It's a one in dime. This might this might be the one
and done. Like I couldn't think of another
person. I mean, you know what?
No, I'm, I'm you know what? Because I'm feeling so generous
today. Kurt Blair, you can go on this

(31:57):
list too. I, I was trying, I was going to
say his name, but I, I, I didn'tknow if we were trying to keep
him away from no. No, no, no, no, no.
This man can go down there. Go ahead, man.
Don't don't, don't put a photo out there, especially on a on a
Sunday when, you know, we doing the podcast.
You know, I'll bring your name up here, man.
I'm going to put your name rightthrough it too.

(32:19):
You know, you can can have all of that.
Yeah, we go ahead and put put him on those lists.
I guess we have just those too, because, you know, Tony did some
great things. I can't really think of like
anybody bad because even if you wanted to put somebody else up
there, right, Actually, I'm I'm saving him for push and Barry
too. Let me just go with that.
So those are two right there. So you have dumb ass of the week

(32:39):
for your dumb ass of the week, you're going to have VKM or
you're going to have Kurt Blair.That's that's your that's your
guys's pick. You only get 2.
OK, get 5050 shot. All right, throw it out there,
pick Kurt and then we'll go fromthere.
All right, all right, cool, we'll post that.
So let's go into our next debatetopic.
A banner being easy. It's time to talk about the man

(33:02):
himself, Goldberg. So let's talk about it.
So Goldberg reappeared on Raw this past week against Gunta and
demanded the title shot. So is it good or bad for
wrestling? Like, does nostalgia still sell?
Or is it time to to move on fromthe legends and have them stop

(33:23):
hogging the spotlight? How we feeling?
We knew this was coming sooner or later.
We knew this was coming. It was destined to happen that
it was going to be Gunther and Goldberg.
We knew at the moment Gunther started fucking with Goldberg's
son. I will say just like this, if

(33:50):
Goldberg wins, we fucking riot. Oh 100% like my problem.
OK listen for all those people who think this matches go 5
minutes long, it ain't. Goldberg's not winning.
I don't care if he's in Atlanta.I don't care this is this is the
last match, bro. Like I know you guys want to

(34:13):
believe that he's going to be there for a long time and he's
going to win this championship. A lot of you out there talk
about like Goldberg deserves this.
This man went 176 and no, he said it himself, won 176 and no,
I don't have to wait in line. Dog, you ain't been relevant.
It almost. It's 176 and O.
When you came back and squashed Brock Lesnar in 45 seconds of

(34:34):
Survivor Series, that's it. That's your moment, bro.
That's it. I don't care.
That's it. You eliminated great.
Congratulations. You eliminated KO.
You took the title from him, andthen you got beat up by you got
beat up by Lesnar. That's it.
But I'm just saying that this man Gunther is a whole different
piece. He hits hard.

(34:55):
You're old, OK? I, I would like to believe that
Gunther hits hard. Something tells me he doesn't
hit as hard as Barack. I just.
OK, so I will give credit where credit is due.
When Goldberg showed up on Monday, that man got a hell of a

(35:17):
pop. That man got a hell of a pop.
That man looks like he is in phenomenal shape.
But let's be serious, I know this.
You know this. Some of the people in the
comments know this. It don't matter what kind of
shape you're in, that ring hurts.
Yeah, well, everybody has a plantill they get punched in the

(35:39):
mouth, and there's no better person who punches someone in
the mouth then. Gunther like is it?
Yeah. Listen, Goldberg, eating one
chop and that's it, because he'snot going to take another.
One, Goldberg's going to get hitwith a chop and regret all of
his life decision. Every last one of them leaving

(36:00):
the the Atlanta Falcons and going into WCW, he's like,
you're regretting all that talking to Eric Bischoff.
That's a regret. I mean, that's probably a regret
daily. Going to the going to the power
plant. Oh my God.
I mean, I'm not going to lie, I I, it, it would have been cool
to go to the power plant at least one time.

(36:21):
Like 100 percent, 100%. I just, I don't know, man.
To me, what it is right now is just Goldberg, like coming back.
Like, I'm just, I'm kind of overit.
Like I wanted Goldberg to have that last match with Brock at
WrestleMania and that just kind of be it, bro.
Like I didn't need him to go. Yeah, I didn't need anything
else. Like the Undertaker match was a
disaster, you know what I mean? And like.

(36:43):
You almost killed the guy. You almost killed the guy.
Like there's just certain thingsthat just like, listen, man,
like I get it. You know, you, you know, you
kind of want to wrestle in frontof your son.
I do understand that. By the way, like when he was
like, I wanted to wrestle one time in front of my son 100%.
I, I understand where that comesfrom because I was the same way.
Like I wanted to wrestle in front of my kid.
I wanted her to see like what I,what I do.

(37:05):
And I know like I'm not in the game as long as like what
Goldberg was, but I, I do, I do love those moments where I get
to wrestle in front of my family.
I just. Understand that my question is,
is this how you really want to see?
How you really want your son to see you at this decrepit man
trying to live some sort of glory one last time?

(37:27):
And but I think the difference is though, like, then that's why
I was trying to go with it, right?
Is that you, you did it the first time your kid was young.
He wasn't that old. He's in college now.
You know, he's in playing for Colorado, University of
Colorado. I think he's with the Buffs like
he's in college now, bro. Like he's seen you have those
glory moments where you were holding the title.

(37:48):
You know, you beat Brock. Like he's seen those moments,
bro. You trying to beat Gunther like
you beat the Fiend, Like we saw all this happen, right?
So I mean, just to me, it's like, dude, we're good.
We're good. Like I wanted you to have that
last match with Brock, a good match with Brock, which by the
way, that match with WrestleMania was fire.
And I know it wasn't long, but it was.

(38:11):
I don't hold if you have a horrible match in Saudi Arabia
against you. I don't hold any against
anybody. Triple H has said it.
Shawn Michaels has said it, Taker Kane.
Everybody has said that wrestling in Saudi Arabia is so
different because of the the temperatures and the humidity
and all that. So I don't hold bad matches in

(38:32):
Saudi Arabia against you. You almost killed a man the last
time you were in the ring, though.
Let's talk about that. Like, is this really what we're
trying to have happen? Like, because I'm not trying to
see it. I don't want to see somebody I
like watching wrestle every weekdie in a ring because you want
to relive some sort of past glory for your son, like.

(38:56):
I mean, to be fair, you don't have it wrong.
I just, I'm, I'm good. I'm good with him not coming
back. I know, I know he wants it,
right? He had a fun match with Dolph
Ziggler, right. Nick, thank you for having that
great match with Goldberg. You know, and then there's that
great moment. Like there was some great
moments that Goldberg had when he came back.
But like now we're like, oh, dude, come on, man, Like we

(39:18):
good, we good with you. Like you're it.
It's if you just made legend appearances and just came and
chatted up. I would be.
I would be cool as fuck with. That, that's great.
Yeah, that's. When I walk somebody to the
ring, I'm cool as fuck with that.
Yeah, if you want to give a spear, you are Bill Goldberg.
Yeah, you are Goldberg at. The end, like I said, and if you

(39:42):
want to hit somebody with a spear egg, more power to you
because you know, like I still enjoy watching DVP come out,
just hit somebody with a cutter.Oh man, you come out and hit
somebody with a diamond cutter once a fucking year and I'm
still going to think you're the greatest of all time.
Yeah, I'll be. I'll be in the crowd, too.
You still got it exactly all allday long.

(40:02):
But when we're talking about like Goldberg and something like
that, like you're talking about a man who we let's, let's be
serious. This man cannot wrestle.
But let's be, let's, let's keep it a buck.
Where's this match? Is this match a Summer Slam?
No, it's a Saturday night main event in Atlanta.
That's my point. This man is wrestling on

(40:24):
Saturday night main event. It's not like you, sorry.
And I know I'm not trying to degrade it, right?
I know it sells, right? NBC is going to have it on their
main show. Like I get it right.
I understand where this is going.
But my problem is that a match this caliber right?
Should have been like a Summer Slam match or like, I don't

(40:47):
know, perhaps a Great American Bash match.
But. Something I think great.
I think NXT is getting Great American.
Right, But I mean just I I like it's got to be one of those kind
of like it would be like AB level pay-per-view let's we get
great balls of fire. I don't care if you brought that
back or not. Right hog wild.
Yeah, like exactly, Stampede, I don't care what you call it.

(41:11):
It's just like it's got to be like one of those shows.
But to be on like Saturday nightMain event, you're going to be
on front of NBC, Gunther versus Goldberg.
I get it. I understand, I understand, but
that match is going to open the show.
It's not closing. Bro if that match closes the
show I'm I'm just going to skip that whole. 20 minute match?

(41:31):
Are you kidding me? Goldberg wrestling 20.
When have you known Goldberg to wrestle 20 minutes?
Let me. Anytime.
Let me be the one to say this right here and now.
If that match is the main event and they give Goldberg 20
minutes and he legitimately goes20 minutes.

(41:52):
I'm not talking about 1959 and fucking 99 milliseconds.
No, I want 20 minutes. That doesn't include entrances.
Give all that bell. Give that man a biggle.
And then forget about that title.
Bell to bell. 20 minutes. I know.

(42:14):
Then give him the title and. I know a person I know a person
who could have given him a 20 minute match bell to bell.
Unfortunately, he kicked that man in the head and did his
career and I know hey, real talklike Bill, I know you, you said
in interviews 100% like you regretted like that happening.

(42:35):
I understand right it. I'm still going to make fun of
you about it because. All day.
All day, yeah. That man was that, and to be
fair, Brett Hart is still the best there is.
The best was and the best level will be like he is the
excellence of execution bro likebut my point being though, is
that like. People who would argue that, but
I just that's another, that's another show.

(42:56):
I just don't see Goldberg and Gunther going 20 minutes belt
about like Goldberg's matches were always 5 to 8 minutes at
best. I was going to say Regal
struggled to get 20 minutes or 10 minutes out of him.
Like, yeah, I'll be. Like, remember.
OK, so remember, like their match in Saudi Arabia, we bring

(43:18):
this back up right with gold with Undertaker.
He put that leg lock on to Ontaker and like Matt Riddle
flamed him about it online. Listen, like I said, all due
respect to Goldberg, you are a legend, but my point being,
though, is that I I don't want you in this match.

(43:39):
I I want you to be that guy who comes out and like hits a spear
on someone is like the enforcer,right, the equalizer of like the
match. Like I just think that that's
where you belong right now is like I listen, go.
Ahead. Yeah, I was going to say
because, like, let's be fair. Like I know Gilberg is still
wrestling. Like, Gilberg still does things

(43:59):
like on the Indies, right, Dwayne, Dwayne hits people with,
he hits people with a spear and it's so cool.
And I pop every time I see Dwayne get in the ring.
But my point being is that that should be Goldberg.
Like now you should be the guy like runs in and hits somebody
with a spear real quick, yells, yeah, right.
Maybe takes them off for a jackhammer and like hits them

(44:21):
and then like bails out the ring.
But I don't want to see you wrestling in the ring guy.
I'm just I want. To see Brown Breaker go for a
spear, Goldberg's music hit and Goldberg Spears Braun that.
Would I'll be down with that? And then just fade off into the
the sunset for another eight years until you realize that

(44:43):
Goldberg's garage isn't doing good and you need other sources
of income. We can edit that part out.
Oh wait, this is live We. Go right in there.
All right. But yeah, so that's that's our
thought, man. Any final thoughts for that?
I just, I, I don't want to see somebody get hurt just because
you want to relive nostalgia. 100 percent 100% y'all y'all

(45:07):
heard it so we here for it all right let me let's get this
moving over we're going to go toanother another one of your
guys's favorite sections with myfavorite sections as well.
Let's just keep it 100. When we say it's time to push or
bury, push or bury, we're going to talk about it.
We're going to have topics, bothof us.
We're going to push, we're goingto bury someone.
So which where we at man which? What you trying to?

(45:29):
Oh man, so we are pushing JD McDonough?
Oh yeah we are pushing the fuck out of him.
Not for anything he did wrestling wise.
It's for a quick ass comment he decided to make.
So the most egregious man to ever exist, The one who offends
me for having to share oxygen with him.

(45:51):
Corey Graves made a comment thatsaid it's not JD's fault he was
born with the skull of a Minecraft character.
JD McDonough. Within one fucking minute of
Corey Graves making this post came out of left field and his

(46:14):
reply was. It's also not my fault that WWE
Graves gets re. It's reassigned every time Pat
McAfee is available on Mondays. Damn shout out to my man JD
McDonough for just roasting the fuck out of a bum ass damn semi

(46:38):
famous commentator who I will not give the pleasure of saying
his name. I feel bad.
I feel bad, man. I will feel bad.
I, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do.That's, that's tough.
That's real tough. Pushing the fuck out of JD.
Yeah, J, he just, he just had that coming.

(46:59):
All right, Let me push. Let me push right now.
The women's division in WWE just.
X. All of it.
All of it, all of the women's division just tearing it up.

(47:19):
I love everything that we're getting from Chelsea Green and
her services. We're getting a suffer from
Zelena, Naomi. You know, Jade's doing her
thing. You know, there's all sorts of
stuff happening. You know, I will say we are, you
know, you're in our thoughts andour prayers once said you all
the positive vibes, Liv Morgan, right?

(47:40):
But regardless of your injury, right, we're still going to get
some fire stuff going on with Raquel.
We're still going to get some fire stuff with Oscar returning,
right? Steph Backer is still like
tearing it up. Julia is still tearing it up.
Like we saw a lot of great female wrestling that's
happening. And then we have evolution
that's about to explode. I am here for all of it.

(48:01):
Also, JC Jane showing up with the women's title on TNA.
Like, we are doing some great stuff and then we're not even
talking about, you know, the juggernaut is still on NXT and
she's about to make her debut into the main roster.
Like, there's just a lot of great stuff happening.
I like the stuff with Alexa Bliss and Charlotte Flair, even

(48:22):
though like, a lot of us are going to be like, well, and
Charlotte playing real blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
She wants a title, so she's going to join with Bliss and
they're going to be A tag team. Whatever, I don't care.
You gave it to me. You put it in my veins bro.
I'm here for like I don't even care what you call them.
You call them whatever you want.The goddess and the queen.

(48:42):
I don't care. I want that team bro.
The the the queen and her fiend.I don't care what you call it.
I just want I'm. Not going to lie, that's
actually not bad of a name like.The Queen and the the queen, I
don't even know because that's not what I mean.
I get it. Bliss, right?
Like she was the fiend's like, you know, sidekick, but like, I

(49:05):
mean like there's just the it's just there's so much happening
right now with it. Bailey and obviously with Becky,
right with you still have Valkyria kind of in the play.
Like there's just so much stuff happening that I'm here for with
the women's division. I'm just like, yeah, we're I'm
good with all of it. The stuff that's going on NHT

(49:26):
right with Jada Parker and Thea Hale, like the mishap that
happened where the ref didn't see Jada tapping and then like
Thea lost the match. I thought that was a great
ending. That was amazing.
So like there's so much cool stuff that's happening all over
like this week. I'm just here for all of it.
I just just push, push it to themoon right now.

(49:47):
I that's what I'm here for. My, my only complaint about the
women's division right now, and it's not really a complaint, but
can we please get Natty and Maxine as A tag team already
instead of just backstage all the time?
Yeah. Like I think they have them
planned as A tag team, I think. They do, but can we like, move

(50:11):
that along? Is there is there a team name
for them because I know they were dressing up as each other
like I thought they came up withlike A tag team name for.
I couldn't tell you honestly. I, I I just want it pushed along
and introduced already. Bring some more life back into
the women's tag team Division A.100 percent, 100%.
And I mean, you know, we, we lost a few of like really fun

(50:34):
women to watch from, you know, you know, Nicks is gone, you
know what I mean? We, you know, Hayden and Cortana
are both gone, right, So we've lost some talent, but it's cool
because like Blair's also out ofthere too.
It's just it's just fun to see this women's division like
rebuild. But the rebuild, it never felt

(50:54):
like it missed. Like all of a sudden it just
boom, we just reload the talent,you know, and big shots to to
Elena Black. She's back now.
I love that promo by the way, that she dropped.
I don't know if you saw it on Twitter or not, but shit was
fire. Yeah.
She she pretty much told the back story of like, Elena Black,
like fade into the background sothat Cora could kind of take

(51:16):
over. And then now that she's like,
you're just trying to play the part.
You're trying to fake it till you make it this, that and the
other. But it's time to let that all
go. It's time for me to come back.
And then like, she reintroduced Elena Black.
I was like, this is hot. I'm here for all of this.
So I liked it. I'll send it to you, man.
It was a great like, yeah, definitely really great, really

(51:37):
great, great thing done. All right.
So I want to also, what's your what's your Berry?
Let's do our Berry. Oh, Berry, I can't.
I can't pull one off the top of my head.
We I since we're already doing it since the beginning of the

(52:01):
show. Barry Curt Blair for his post
online about how you deserve being kicked in the face.
Shane. You know what?
You know what, I agree that alsoTushu Bear right there is.
Right there that right that should.
Barry, thank you. I agree that should.
Go to I got a part. I got a 2A and 2B for my Barry.
Can we pull that picture back upreal?

(52:23):
Quick. Yeah, absolutely.
Let's look in the far left corner right there how it looks
like a certain Co host is also about to kick you in the face.
Yeah, except, you know. Except somebody else beat him to
the punch. Yeah, actually, you know what
else I want to bury on this show?

(52:43):
AO Kurt, who took this picture? That person, he's also that
person too. Shame upon you guy and the ref
for his back being turned. What a piece.
Right this ref not even paying attention what's happening
that's. Crazy.
Like I was just buried. In that old match.
Nah, this. No, no, Just that one sequence,

(53:04):
that one picture. We're not even burying a match.
We're burying a picture. You.
Deserve it. You deserve What is this?
Upon you, Sir, You're trying to.Get some cheer ass applause.
You know what I want to talk about?
Let me talk about this since we we putting it out there where I
got kicked in the face. I just want to know who came out
on top at the end of the night. Yeah, That's all right.
I'm going to go ahead One day, man, I'm just going to drop the

(53:26):
clip. But when I popped out and all of
a sudden, the crowd cheered whenever I hit him.
So I don't care. It is what it is.
Good. Hey, you know, Kurt, enjoy this.
Like it is 15 minutes of fame that you're getting, that I'm
putting you over here on this podcast, that you get to put
your name out there. I This is the most that you've
ever been mentioned in your life.
Just dropped. Good.

(53:47):
That's what good. And good, your camera didn't
freeze OK. Good, good.
The audio dropped when I was talking about it.
Oh man, it dropped right out like somebody just hit the
sensor button on you. Perfect.
Perfect. You know, honey, talk about the

(54:09):
relevancy of a Curt Blair. The most that he's ever going to
mention. Great.
Dropped out right there. Good.
Perfect wiling out, man, It's crazy.
Are we going to jump into the third debate topic?
Man, I'm tired of talking about this man.
All right, Which is weird because the third debate topic
is independent wrestler losing his meeting in 2025.
Can you still be an indie if you're on TV every week or

(54:31):
working internationally under a big banner?
We probably had different opinions about this, but.
I'll be totally different opinions about this.
My biggest point about this statement is I feel like with
being on TV comes a contract fora promotion.
I feel like if a promotion has the ability to obtain ATV deal,

(54:54):
you're not really that independent or indie anymore.
Like maybe I'm just old school but I don't remember MCW being
on TV for the longest time. I don't remember.
EWA was never on TV. That's an indie promotion to me.
MCWI don't really count them as indie promotion now they're on

(55:16):
TV. OK.
I feel where you're coming from.Although with shows like
Wrestling Independent, whether it's Massachusetts or Rhode
Island, that's a weekly product and those guys are on that TV
show all the time. And you can make the
justification for saying, well, it's it's all it's behind a pay

(55:38):
wall. You have to pay to watch it.
Well, you do too with ROH and weconsider those guys to be.
I mean, to be fair, you could technically say you have to with
WWE now. We're also on Netflix.
Yeah, it's on a streaming service, you know, I mean, so I
I don't know, I mean, you can't watch the free one with with
ads, but that's not what that's not what we're here for.
What we're here for is, is when it comes to when it comes to it,

(56:00):
I mean, I no, you can still be indie like you can still be.
I wouldn't call Mercedes Monet an indie wrestler, right?
But I would call indie Hartwell one, because she's no longer on
TV. She's not.
She got released from WWE and now she's on the she's on the
NDC and she works in the indie circuit.

(56:21):
You know, there are certain wrestlers I would definitely
kind of agree with that. I would be like, yeah, I don't
know if I would agree with that person.
One of our favorites, Willow, I don't know if I would call
Willow Nightgale like an indie wrestler anymore because she
Daniel Garcia as well, right? I know like him and Alec had a
huge match up in Canada which was kind of cool, so.
So here's here's would you consider somebody like and you,

(56:44):
you just had him on the podcast not long ago.
Would you consider somebody likeDrew Gulak an indie wrestler
now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just cause. Trying to understand the the
balance of what you're you're. Getting yeah, because like,
well, and here's the thing too, is like I look at guys like and
there's there's some other namesthat I'm going to mention here
that some of y'all don't know because, you know, you're also
not watching IWTV and that'll befair, right.

(57:06):
But TJ Crawford love Doug Brett Ryan Gosling, who was just on
MLW, right. But now he's he's been released
from MLW. Now he's he's still, he still
wrestles on Wrestling Open. Who else would I consider?
Alex Kane is a indie wrestler. You know, he's also been on his
podcast, another name, right? Brad Hollister, right, Big Bacon

(57:31):
himself, right. The the leader of big business.
I would consider him to be an indie wrestler, but he wrestles
every week on TV. So like, would he still be
considered that person? Like, yeah, Sammy, Sammy who's
been on the show too, I would think, you know, that's another
name. I look at someone like Bear
Bronson, right, who was a part of AW, who's now wrestling on

(57:53):
Wrestling Open. I would also say.
So I still think those guys are.I still say they're indie.
I just I don't what are we calling TV now?
Because T VS kind of an irrelevant thing like are we
talking about you're strictly onTBS, you're strictly on TNT, or
you're on WWE? If you're when I say when I say
TVI consider it a weekly broadcasted on regardless if

(58:16):
you're on TBSUSAUPN whatever thefuck.
Like if you are on a weekly broadcasted television show.
I don't really I I get what you were saying with some of the
smaller promotions in like localareas having ATV deal and stuff
like that. But like, if you're on like a A

(58:39):
major network and still trying to be an indie wrestler, I don't
consider. And see, that's like I can agree
that's a fair assessment. Like I wouldn't call swerve.
Not a chance, right? Young Bucks.
I wouldn't call them an indie wrestlers like.
Hey man, I wouldn't say it either right?
You may wrestle at an indie promotion right, but you are

(59:01):
still like very much like every once in a while you might show
up at an indie promotion, but you're very much still like a
mainstream kind of player. I but when I look at like
wrestling open is, is a weekly episodic TV show, like nothing
open every Thursday forever has been doing this for I think it's
like 5 years now, like taking four or five years.
Sorry, Drew. Yeah, it's on IWTV.

(59:22):
It's been around for a long time.
And then they just started wrestling Open in Rhode Island
like earlier this year and it's been running for like 2 months.
And so like there are all these names that are being attached to
it, right? So, you know, would you consider
someone like Anthony Green, likealso an Indian wrestler?
He was just wrestling in Japan and now he's back.

(59:43):
Would we consider someone like Marcus Mathers to be still an
Indian wrestler even though he'son WWE evolved?
Like I still think I mean he's still predominantly works on the
Indies. Like I will still say the damn
man belong Like so that's it's weird because like I guess if
Chaz was here to kind of clarifylike what his question was for
it, it would make sense. But for me out there, no, I

(01:00:03):
don't think it's losing its meaning.
I just think that what it is is if you're talking about
wrestling episodically on ATV show.
No like because I. Depending if you're on a major
network. Yeah, no, I see what you're
saying. If you're on a major network
though, then. I Yeah.
You kind of you kind of exceededindie wrestling.
Yeah. And then if like if you're still

(01:00:26):
wrestling, like I said, and wrestling like I said, if you,
if you look at every Thursday, right, if you look at wrestling
every Thursday like Wrestling open is like I think it's third
or fourth most watched like wrestling show on a Thursday,
like right behind. Get IWTV.
Yeah, right behind MLW and like ROH, like is and I think in TNAI

(01:00:46):
think those are the three on top.
And then Wrestling Open and Wrestling Open is fire, bro.
I love that show. I love watching it.
You know, big shout outs to to Bryce Donovan, who is also
WWEID. He's currently their champion
Wrestling Open champion. So I mean, just when you talk
about that, I think swipe right is still the wrestling open tag
team Champions. And they're also on WWE EVOLVE.

(01:01:06):
So it's like, you know, a big shout out to what's going on
with them and, you know, their faction over on EVOLVE.
But it's that's my point though.It's like they're wrestling on a
weekly TV show. So what are we talking about?
Like, are we is that what we're talking about or are we talking
about like strictly like a Seth Rollins side?
Like if Seth Rollins went back to Indies, would he still be
considered an indie wrestler? Yeah, because he's no longer on
episode TV show. Like he's not on the main

(01:01:28):
rosters? It's not on a major network.
Yeah, so I guess for me, no, it's not ruining the, it's not
ruining the name Indy. I just think that what it is
that we've noticed so many wrestlers coming off of like the
the WWEAWE train that we're like, well, now they're back on
the Indies. Well, are they still really
consider Indy? Yeah, I still consider Cora Jade

(01:01:49):
an indie wrestler now, because Elena Black is is there.
Cora Jade is not really around so.
Here's here's here's an interesting one to add to see to
see where he falls for you. Where do you put Darby?
Darby is still very much he's, he's not an indie wrestler.
He is very much mainstream, you know, I mean, currently right

(01:02:11):
now, is he still like he's back now?
Why he's still I believe he has successfully climbed and made it
back down from Everest. I believe we climatizing and and
yeah, we'll be back soon probably.
He's, yeah, he's very much, he'svery much a mainstream wrestler.
MJF in the same boat too, you know.
What I mean MJF? Yeah, Demi Guevara, like the

(01:02:33):
pillars are still very much likemainstream to me.
Like I don't see. That see, then I see people like
Dan Housing and I'm like that dude's indie for life.
That's like never going any. That dude is never going to be
anything but indie for life. Yeah.
I mean, formerly known as War Horse.

(01:02:54):
Like he's still Indy telling me.Like jazz if you're watching, we
needed a little bit of clarification on this cause.
Yeah, 'cause we don't think the name Indy wrestler is being
ruined. We think it's very much like
still very much safe and sacred.And it it doesn't matter if
they've been on TV, by the way, like we talked about earlier
today with with Mercedes Monet, like if you're bringing eyes to

(01:03:16):
the product, like, hey, big UPS like hijack, hijack right now is
like you see him everywhere, like, and he's just tearing the
tearing it up. But he's also getting more eyes
on products. You're paying attention to where
he's at. Like, I don't know, I guess,
because even if would you consider MLW to be like a big
name, majorly wrestling? And if that be the case, then

(01:03:38):
like a lot of wrestlers are no longer consider India if that
was the deal. I don't know if I'd consider
them a A major moments, but I think that's about the extent of
it. I don't know if I'd really
consider them a major. And would you consider wrestlers
who've wrestled at N.W.A? I think.

(01:03:59):
N.W.A is, I'll see that. Could you know, Once Upon a
time, N.W.A was was pretty much it Like, yeah, I don't, I don't
know. That's a hard one too, like TCW,
GCW. Let's let's be serious.
GCW is is has definitely rose through the ranks of other

(01:04:22):
promotions like A and it's a pretty well known promotion now.
But would you consider them a major promotion?
But then look at MLW and be like, that's not a major
promotion. See, and I think what to me is.
GCWMLW and I'm. I'll even throw it to Beyond
Wrestling right and Wrestling Revolver.

(01:04:42):
I feel like those four and somebody out there is going to
be pissed when I say this and I'm not really too stressed
about it. Those last four are like your
big stops before you go to like in my TNAAW.
Yeah, that would be like those are last we always talk about

(01:05:05):
like the. 4 pillars of wrestling.
It's like they're the four pillars of of the indie
promotions like your GCW, BeyondRevolver, MLW.
Yeah, yeah, OK, yeah, yeah. You crack through and then you
know you're at N.W.A. You're also at MLW, right?
I I want me to like I'm not thinking MLW is like a super

(01:05:26):
indie show. It's not.
It's like right above, but like the next level to it would be
like like I would think like NWAMLWNWA is like right there
and then like I think beyond is there and I think Game Changer
Wrestling is also there. But then right above it you got
MLW. MLW no.
Look at the comments M. LF.

(01:05:47):
MLS, Major League Soccer, OH. Get the fuck out of here with.
But I think that's where we're at.
So I think that and then it goesabove and then you'll hit you'll
hit the next ones impact. Yeah.
So yeah, like the. Crack.
That's like where you crack. Through them and then.
Boom. You're at the next levels.
So I think so and I and I'll putit out there, right, Alec Price

(01:06:10):
had a match on ROH. It was a big, it's a big moment,
right? He had a big match on, on Ring
of Honor, a really showcase match when they were here in
like Providence. And I think like a lot of people
pay attention to them. So, you know, big, big moves.
So how can we block people on those podcasts?
There's a wonder and here we go,Major League Soccer.

(01:06:31):
Fucker. By the way, for those wondering,
that's the president here. Yeah, it's his.
It's his. It's his little sis, little sis,
older sis sis nonetheless. Alright, Yeah, so.
That's it. Any last thoughts?
Man, fuck you, Corey. Graves and that's about all.

(01:06:56):
I got alright. Well, let me pull up this real.
Quick so that way we can. Talk about how we feeling about
Let's see. Dumb ass little wheat, that's
what. Oh, I'm scared.
Yeah, dumbass. Yeah.
Tell me it's 5050. That would be, that would be
hilarious. That would be hilarious.
She also says younger. Yeah, she's like. 40 Where did

(01:07:21):
this pole go? This pole light disappeared.
See, Chaz isn't here and. Shit just falls to pieces.
Falls, just falls apart. That's crazy.
Let's see, I thought I shared it, but apparently I did not.
So let's jump into 3 count. Boom.
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