July 26, 2025 • 43 mins
Explore the minds of pro wrestlers as we engage in thought-provoking conversations about their wrestling styles, character development, and the artistry behind their performances.
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This is Bronson, and you're listening to the Three Count
podcast. Welcome everyone to another
great edition of the three Countpodcast presents now into ring
and I'm your host Clifford Red Dog Miller.
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The man leads you up that mountain called wrestling and
with this, you know, 400 something episode.
I would just hope you say with me, I am your Sherpa because
like your tribal chief acknowledge me like every good
sharper, you got to have someonewho's been there, done that and
can do it more efficient. You can.
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That's why it's never about me. It's about who's entering the
ring. So who's entering the ring?
You find this man at Limitless Focus Pro GCWC 4 Mystery.
You can see part of his matches on AEW and ROH.
You find this man at Wrestling Open, both Rhode Island and
Massachusetts. You can also find this man at
Beyond and the Cap. He's A tag team specialist, a
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superstar. He is, whether he's coming from
Bear Fountain or the Iron Savage, he is a monster of a
man. He is on PWI's tag team.
He's on PWI's top 500. He is the man, the myth, the
legend. Bear Bronson.
Holy shit, what bro? Oh my God.
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That's it. I could go now.
You gave all the info. Let's go.
Wow, that was impressive. I appreciate it, man.
I actually, so one of my favorite things was we actually
met at Wrestling Open. Yeah.
And it was, it was funny becauselike, I just like walked right
up to you and just gave you likea hug.
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And I feel like it was the firsttime we met.
It was like this is like one wayto like entrance.
Yeah, no, no, I remember. And you know, what's funny is
like I was just very much like because I was I was there, I
believe, just supporting my wifethe know me.
So at that time too, like I was just like very happy to be there
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and just, you know, happy to seeeveryone and sort of thing.
So I I felt like I had already knew you.
Yeah, I always, I always, that'sone of my favorite things about
like just in life, right? I, I, you know, I tell everybody
I was like, I don't know strangers.
I just know people like I'm not really quite acquaintance with.
And so I just like going up and like talk to people and having
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conversations. And that's the that's the one
thing, if you treat everybody like you haven't talked to that
friend forever, it's never awkward.
Never. Yeah, No, I'm, I'm the same
exact way. And especially when it comes to
wrestling, you know, I get a lotof, well, not in this case
because, you know, you're one ofthe boys.
But like, whether it's people I've never met before or, you
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know, I do get a lot of Flack from other workers for being
like friends with fans, but I just don't view it that way at
all. I view it very much like if, if
you love wrestling, we have something big in common, that's
enough for me to like hit to like hit it off with somebody,
you know. So like, I'm just, I'm just very
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much the same way. And I always, I always risk
everybody and like everybody until they give me a reason not
to. So I'm like, I'm like kind of
the opposite where people, I feel like you kind of have to
like put in effort or something to like be someone's friend.
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I'm the opposite. I'm very much the opposite.
I'll be friends with everybody, everybody.
I'll hit it off with anybody until you give me a reason not
to. I'm just, that's just how I do
life. That's always how I've got about
everything. And yeah, so anytime I meet
somebody and it's like, hey, youknow, I'm just that way.
I think it's just mental health wise too, just you end up, if
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you live life that way, I feel like you end up surrounding
yourself with more positive people.
Yeah, and more positivity and more.
You know, that's how I do it. Yeah, no, I had AI, had a good
friend back in Hawaii when I wasstationed out there.
That's what he used to preach tome was like.
Positive energy always creates athis and that's how you find
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peace. Oh, I like.
That. Yeah, you put out, you put out
what you get back. And, and my, my, my friend, like
that's, that was his thing. And like he said it to me.
And man, I, I have always thought about that since Jesus
was a 2006 now. So it's like it's written with
me for a long time. And I think about that all the
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time where it's like, yo, you got to, you got to put that
positive energy about if you want to get that positive energy
back. And if you're not, you'll you'll
reap what you sow Like people talk about it all the time.
Yeah, yeah. No, that's facts.
Yeah, and I just, that's why I think man, like if you, if you
treat people well, you're, you're going to get treated well
back response. That's why I think like.
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Yeah, exactly. And that's why I think like for
you, like I, I, we've never actually talked about this.
And you know, pardon me if I'm writing this off for the first
time, but like when you got released from AAW, like I was, I
was pissed. And I'm sure like you said, you
had like before we were talking,you had a lot of positive
responses. And it was like, I think because
everybody saw who you were like in front of the camera, they
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kind of got an understanding of who Bear Bronson is.
And they're like, oh, this is someone that like, I saw them
after I'm drinking a beer and we're having a great time doing
whatever it is. Sure, sure.
Yeah. But again, you know, positive
feedback, always getting people to respond to you and talk to
you and and enjoy, enjoy life with you.
I think that's that's an awesomething to have.
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Yeah, you know it. It's funny because like I'm very
lucky to have a lot of people inmy life that care about me,
whether it's a family member, a friend, a good friend, maybe
just an acquaintance. So when I left awa, lot of
people were very upset and I kind of like had to everyone
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that I could, I kind of had to bring everybody down a little
and be like, hey, guys, I'm fine.
Like, you know, I, I appreciate it so much, but I'm very much
looking forward to what's like ahead.
And everything that's happening now is like, let's say, even
just way more than what I envisioned.
I knew what I wanted, but I'm just, I'm, I'm good, you know,
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I'm having the most fun ever. And I'm just, I'm very lucky,
though. I'm very, I don't want to take
that for granted. I'm very lucky.
How so many people care makes mefeel good, you know?
But yeah, I, I am. I think the best part of
everything that's this year is everyone's getting to see the
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real me, whether that's, you know, on podcasts like this
where I get to just speak my mind and say whatever I want
without getting a text message that I'm in trouble or like, you
know, like honestly, you know, or making a tweet and someone
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gets upset and whatever. Because everyone wrestling is
just so tough, you know, or, or,or if you see me, just the the
work that I'm doing in the ring and whether that's normal
matches or now death matches, it's I have a vision of what
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Bear Bronson is. And I finally really get to let
out that vision. I get to paint that picture for
everybody. And it's very fun.
Very, very fun. Yeah.
I was going to say, what does that picture look like for you?
So I I think a big thing coming out of AW was that I didn't want
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to limit myself. I want, you know, in my like, I
have a vision of what a professional wrestler is.
And I can now say, because this is my 11th year wrestling, and
finally after 11 years, I can say that teenage me, his
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favorite blur would be Bear Bronson.
And I never thought I would everreach that.
And I actually at one point became OK with that where I was
like, that's just a dream that won't happen.
So to me that was just like a dream that like was maybe just
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not too far fetched, but like I looked at it very much.
So like if I'm going to be successful in this business,
it's going to be as like a mid car guy at best, like just doing
what I'm told and whatever. And you know, there was a few
years now for that. I would say the past four years
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where I was very vocal and jokedabout how I would say like
teenage me would think the Iron Savages suck and like it's just
true. I just I'm very self aware and
that is just something that I had come to terms with and I was
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like, OK, we can't all be happy.We can't all you know, be the
stars that we want to be. And I never ever thought I'd
change that around and now I have.
And now, like I am, I truly believe I am teenage meets
favorite wrestler, whether that be normal matches or hardcore
brawling death matches. Like I just even I even just had
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this conversation with somebody to where like because somebody
had came to me and said, Hey, I'm not a death matches.
But it does feel like people arerealizing what Bear Bronson is
supposed to be. And I was like, Oh, really?
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Like, what do you? And he brought up the danger
feel aspect of it to where like,you know, if if a fan sees me on
a normal show, normal wrestling show, a lot of people were like,
you know, you already, somebody had said, like you already have
these scars all over your back and your arms.
And The thing is like if you look at a bear attack, if you're
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looking at the movie The revenant or the bear that is
attacking, it does never comes out of these attacks unscathed.
If you watch 2 bears fight each other, they get they mutilate
each other and just no sell it. Like, but if you ever see a bear
after an attack, the bear itself, even if it killed its
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prey, it's all ripped up and like it skins hanging off and
shit. And somebody brought that up.
I was like, I've never even thought of that.
Like I thought that was so cool.I was a student actually.
And I was like, oh, man, that's pretty cool.
So like, you know, if I do like,create a pro wrestling family
friendly, you know, obviously I'm not doing any of the
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hardcore stuff or any of that, but like, people can see the
scars I have and they're like, yeah, a bear would have that.
So like, you know, it does fit the bill and I've never, I've,
that's never crossed my mind once.
And I thought that was the coolest thing.
So not that that means everything.
That's just to me a little aspect of a picture that I'm
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trying to paint. And I I I could go on forever
about this but. You know, I, I.
Feel like I'm, I feel like I'm breaking limits to where like
there, there's a lot I would saymany pro wrestlers across across
the board, they limit themselvesand they're afraid to do things
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because of what others would think or I'm afraid to be
pigeonholed and I'm afraid of all this stuff and everyone
instills fear in themselves. And then I go do it and it's
been nothing but great. And as long as you're doing
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things the right way, of course,and if you're doing it for the
right reasons, I'm not saying, hey, every wrestler should go do
death matches. That's absolutely not the case
at all. But it's not only death matches,
it's plenty of other things. It's plenty of other things.
Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, and for like
me, and I'll be fair, like I, I will tell everybody this.
Like that is not my wheelhouse, although I can appreciate the
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art form of it. But like, I can also like, I do
understand like the aspect of like, because I do it to myself.
And mind you, I've, I've, I've been in the game now for about 5
years. Like I'm in my fifth year going
into my 6th year in January. It's like I still find myself at
the point where I'm like, man, do I want to push this button?
Do I want to try this? Do I want to try that?
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Like what? What's going to make me stand
out? Like how do I make myself stand?
So I think about those things consciously.
And then sometimes I say anything like, I want to attract
myself, you know, get some traction on my on my views and
stuff like that for like social media or whatever.
And I'm always afraid of postingsomething because I'm like, yo,
what if somebody sees this that isn't like doesn't understand
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and then they turn that and thenthis is the whole thing.
Or what if a promoter gets upsetbecause they see me talking this
way or something? So I'm like always trying to be,
I'm too self-conscious or too too self aware about posting
stuff, but like I shouldn't be. And then even in a wrestling
ring, there are times where I look like, dude, you should
definitely hit this move. And I'm like, Nah, we, we'll
just save it for later. But really inside and we're just
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like I'm, I'm kind of worried, like I don't know what to do.
That's that's everybody. That is everybody.
I feel like there's this, there is a problem in wrestling.
There really is where everybody is limited to being their true
selves because we're instilled with all of these like ideals
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that like, you know, you've absolutely heard a 40 Miller vet
be like, oh, why, what are you doing that move for?
It's too much. Or you know, it's almost like
that. So much so that we start, we
start to believe it ourselves and we start to regurgitate
these stupid things like I, I, Ihad a match with it with a kid,
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the other, you know, whatever. And I was like, you know, what's
something cool that you could dohere?
And he felt afraid. Tell me like he would pretended
he was joking, but he really wasn't joking.
You just wanted to see what I'd say, where he was like, imagine
like I hit like a poison Rana here And I was like, do it.
He goes, no, no, no, that's stupid.
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That's too much. But that's indie bullshit.
I said, no, it's not. I think it's cool as fuck.
Do it. I'll take it, let's do it.
And it was just like, I don't I don't think this person
particularly was was used to hearing like the do what you
want and fuck what everyone elsethinks.
It's they're just a lot of theseyoung guys.
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I know I have too for years. Like you're instilled with like
these like really weird ideals to where we all start to like
change who we are and change thewrestler we want to be.
And it I'm, I am this year specifically trying to break
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that mold. I'm hoping I can inspire others
not to do death matches unless you want to.
But doing things for clout is, is the wrong reason to do
something. My main, my main I, I did death
matches because I've, I've been a fan of them since I was 13.
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No one knows that, but that was something I needed to do for me.
But like, if you were, if you came into this business as a
Young bucks fan or PWG, like youknow what it like and you and
people are are are instilling inyou that that is stupid or too
much or it's acrobats or it's whatever, whatever.
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A lot of young guys are instilled with this fear that
they'll look like a mark or whatever.
And you know, let me just say first, like, do you need to
learn how to crawl before you walk and then walk before you
run? Absolutely.
That's with anything. You know, I'll even say that
about death masters. It's important to learn and
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perfect the craft first of how to tell a story in the ring.
Perfecting your fundamentals before anything, you know,
learning the very, very basic fundamentals of what we do is,
is a must. It's essential.
But once you do, then you could start to break the, you know,
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you could start to make this artyour own, you know, and I
believe John Cena has said this because IA lot of John Cena's
quotes, I really hold deep closeto me.
John Cena and a few others have said this dare to be different.
And I take that to heart. I really take that to heart.
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I think a lot of young guys are very afraid to be different
because everybody, you know, everybody has their what
wrestling should be. And if, if a style of wrestling
doesn't fall under what they think it should be, it's wrong
and it's stupid and it's garbage.
And you know, but the, the, the fact is pro wrestling is, is a
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million different flavors of icecream.
It's a it's you could, you couldsay flavors of ice cream, You
could say, you know, you have a paintbrush and to choose the
colors you use, you get to choose the color wheel that you
use, You know, because we're, weare artists and well, at least I
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believe that some people, some people, some people say no, but
I believe that I really, I really do.
And man, just also when you whenyou something I could truly say
now is this just this just gets way more fun the more you make
it want it to be, you know? Yes, 100%.
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That was something I learned this last.
Well, it was about a year ago I started learning that because
like when I first got into this business, I just thought your
character was given to you by your trainer.
I don't know why. I just thought that was a thing.
So like my trainer, so my my trainer was like, hey, you're
going to be very stoic. Your prior military.
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We want that kind of guy. That's who you're going to be in
six months. Like I was giving it my best,
but I was like, it just didn't feel natural.
So I felt like I was forced. And so I told him I was like,
yo, let me just tap into this other side of the military that
like is more me. And so I started covering promos
like with more fun, more dark humor.
So I thought that was like whereI wanted to be.
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So it turned out to be like morekind of like a Deadpool type.
And I was running with that for a couple years.
And then last year I started really teaming up with my
friends who are down in Maryland.
And then I started to let go andstarted being more of like.
Talking like I normally talk in the way I act and it just felt
more genuine and I felt the crowd was connecting more with
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me and stuff. And you know what?
What I ended up learning was that the the artist side of me
wanted to be just me just hyped up to A10 with a paintbrush that
just said, hey, my intent is either to a come in here and
break a fool or make you laugh, depending on which one.
And in some instances it could be both.
But I'm just like, I'm just trying to, I don't know, just
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show people that, like, I have more layers to me than just like
the comedy guy or just like the superstar guy.
And I can like, blend them together and make it work.
And yeah, I started finding myself having a lot more fun and
wrestling when I started to let go and started to be like, hey,
this is who I want to be and this is what I'm going to do
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from now on. Hell yeah, yeah.
And if you look at it as a business side too, because this
is a business, like this is something I try to, you know,
explain to a lot of our studentsis like if if you're somebody
who believes you can't be both funny, both stoic, both
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whatever, whatever. Flavors and layers are so
important. Because if you are trying to do
this for a living and you are trying to if you're trying to
pick a full schedule, you're going to be wrestling different
types of shows all the time. Bear Bronson is going to be much
different wrestling in front of children.
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If I if I you know, on a Friday night, I two weeks ago I
wrestled. It was Friday Hartford, CT for
GCW against Beast Man, light tubes, barbed wire, door, whole
9 yards. That Bear Bronson was different
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than the Bear Bronson on Monday where I got thrown to the
outside for a 10 count and children were pulling me up to
my feet. That's a different layer than
what the fans on Friday saw. The adult crowd on Friday saw a
much different person. Not different person.
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I'm sorry, that's wrong. Not a different person,
different layers. Right.
One's not. They're not going to work for
the other. I, I like the idea that you call
it layers. I always call it the multiverse.
That's how I refer to it. So I refer to as the, the multi,
like the multiverse of Red dog is how I like to refer to it.
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And that's why I like the comedyside of him and like sometimes
like the real dickish side of him and sometimes like what what
my friends have now labeled WestCoast Red Dog.
There's like different multiverses and I know Bo does
to me on the program about this,he was like, you'll find all
these different layers and all these different universes of
you, but eventually you'll find like Red Dog Prime and that'll
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be the one that like everybody wants to get to know.
And I think about, I think aboutthat, but I like the layers
aspect of it, seeing different people with different, different
sides of you. Yeah, it keeps things fresh too.
You know, there's there's also the Barrett Bronson that teams
with his wife as a Savage knownsdifferent.
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It's still me. It's still Bear Bronson, but
it's different. It's different than the one
that's put in a ring with bundles of light tubes and
exploding bats and shit. I do think I think everyone
needs those layers. That's why I'll even say this.
I don't like the word gimmick. I try not to use it.
I don't like gimmick when peopleare like, what's your gimmick?
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I don't believe you should have a gimmick.
I believe you should have a character.
I think they're different characters to me, have layers.
To me, a gimmick is the goon from, you know, the 90s or, you
know, it's very one-dimensional,not much to, you know, And they
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do have, I believe gimmicks haveceilings.
They're very low feelings characters.
CM Punk's not a gimmick. You know, he's not John Cena's
not a gimmick. They're characters.
Yeah, with many, many different layers to them is a character.
None of these top guys in WWE and the ones you see on TV are
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gimmicks. You know, That's why I really
don't like that word. I really like character
characters with layers. I I do, I see your point because
like I know like old school 1980s, nineteen 90s WWF, you
know, it's out here. There's a lot you're a wrestler
and this so you're kind of limited on who you are like re
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that you know, Simon Miller talks about Repo man being one
of his favorite people, but likerepo man was like that was it
Like you were just a guy who repossessed things.
Cool. There's nothing much more to you
in that world, even though therewas like he put a lot of letters
into it, but to him, that's who you were reimpresented as you
were this guy. You know, I do.
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I do like the aspect of like that you want to build on top of
your character. I I talk about this with a lot
of my friends too that like theyalways ask like how I how I
developed the world and I was like, that's all it was like I
put myself in the world. I ask myself questions all the
time and then I play in the world of red dog and try to
figure out like what's red dogs favorite things?
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Why does he not like this? Why does he like that?
What, what, why is it that he wrestles this way?
What why does he laugh at dumb jokes?
Like what it what makes him tick?
And I think the more you play inthe world, the more you'll start
to it just comes second nature to whatever it is you're blush.
Sure. That makes sense.
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Like I found out that Red Dog's favorite music is the Backstreet
Boys. There we go.
But it's his choice, like. There you go.
But yo. Right, OK, so we, we've been
talking about characters and stuff like that and, and, and
building. I I want to know like, was there
a moment when you were watching professional wrestling?
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Because we're all fans, let's befair.
Was there a moment in special saying when you were watching
and you're like, alright, this is it, I have to make this jump?
So for me, like it's been in my,it's always been in my life.
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I would like, I think it just became more real as I became an
adult because there was never a period in my life where
wrestling wasn't in it. Like I've I've been a fan since
my earliest memories. And then as I grew up and
realized there were there are wrestling schools when I
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graduated College in 2000, graduate high school in 2014, I
joined Creative Pro wrestling and just never looked back.
I tried to balance both college at the same time and that lasted
1 semester I think because I just one of them started to slip
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effort wise and I was, I'm not giving up wrestling.
I want to do this even. I never thought I would be a
star still not but like I wouldn't.
I never thought I would reach the heights that I have.
I just knew when looking at what, when someone would say
what do you want to do with yourlife?
It was to be involved in wrestling in some capacity.
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Any, anything, even if it's the lowest level in these higher,
you know, maybe it's if it's nota wrestler, maybe it's a
commentator, maybe it's anythingI even went to, I went to
scratch. My backup plan was going to
school for journalism so that I could be a dirt sheet writer.
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Like like everything evolved around wrestling.
I can't imagine doing anything else that's not involved in this
in some way. Yeah.
I think that's that's, that's the way with everybody.
I think when we get into this business that like we we wanted
this and we were going to run ashard as we could to get to it.
And everybody has like a different path in getting here.
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I know even for me, like I, I when I left the military and I
had no idea what I want to do, Iwent to college because I was
like, well, that's the next step.
Everybody does. They just go to school, went to
school, did that thing. And then I was like, all right,
well, I'm done with school. What what's their next to do?
And I was like, I don't know, let's go into pro wrestling.
And so like I started going to pro wrestling and then I started
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getting like more and more involved and I was like just
fun. And I was like the first job,
actually I told this like a couple times, but the first job
I ever applied for when I got out of the military was the
BAWWE writer and didn't work outall.
Right, Yeah. You tried though.
Yeah, I put my application and everything and I was like, ah,
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that's not didn't work out, but that's all right.
But then after that, like, you know, I got into pro wrestling
and then I was like, I want to create a podcast, 'cause I
wanted to like all make sense. And then like, I started
training and then I started COVID happened and then I got
shut down. So I had to rebuild.
And then like from there, everything just kind of worked
itself around. But I think I don't know what I
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would be doing if I wasn't. I would probably still be trying
to find a way to get into pro wrestling if I wasn't doing it
actively right now. Sure.
Me too. Yeah, absolutely.
Let me ask you this question because you've you've won.
You wrestle the person I've wrestled, which was Beast Man, I
definitely thought that was kindof cool.
Cool. Yeah.
Yeah, I've worked them a couple times.
It's a unique experience on my part because I'm a smaller guy,
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but with that being said, I wantto know what's the worst bump
you've taken? That would have to be what
caused my back injury, which wasstemming all the way back from
in 2018 or early 2019, which I forgot which.
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The date's fuzzy, but I was wrestling the mainstay posse at
Chaotic Wrestling. Cold Theory 1918 Cold Fury 18 I
believe. But it was a last team standing
match, and the last bump of the mass for me and my opponent was
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a package pile driver off the apron through the table and
under the table is just a basketball court.
And there was a tiny mat there that did nothing.
But I'd planned for this table to break our fall at least a
little bit, because tables usually do.
Like if anybody is, what if anybody watched me Burr Slade
going off the scissor lift? Those tables were fantastic.
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This table for the package powerdriver was not it.
It felt like it it felt like I just went straight to the floor
and me, you know, I called this spot.
So I'm trying to keep my opponent as safe as possible.
His head didn't touch, but when I when we had landed, we went
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right through the table. It's on my Instagram really far
down, but I had felt a crack in my lower back and my legs went
numb and I couldn't get up. And then we we got to the back
and we were getting reamed out because we went, I think we were
given 12 to 15 and we went like 33 or something.
So we went way over our time to where they had to cut
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intermission. That means a lot of workers lost
them. So they didn't get to, you know,
which is real Dick move on our part.
Where was I? Yeah.
So we did the package pile driver off the Apathy's table.
I felt a crack on my lower back.Couldn't feel my legs very hard
to to get up and walk again thatnight.
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But the type person them is likeI had bookings that whole
weekend and like me and my partner at the time had a full
schedule. And to me it's like if you can
walk, you can wrestle. And I'd gotten to a point to
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where I could walk. Not very smart.
I don't. I don't push that mentality on
my students or anything like that.
It's just how I personally view things.
So there's been many times in mycareer where I've wrestled when
I probably shouldn't have. Definitely have wrestled through
concussions and stuff, which is stupid, but I put it off.
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I did not go to the hospital. I did not go see a doctor.
I didn't get it checked out because genuinely, I was afraid
of what they would tell me. And then years later, you know,
I kind of just put up with it for years.
So it's affected my work, it's affected my training, and I've
just always just done my best towork around it.
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But I've lived in constant lowerback pain for a long time and
until this past year, New Year'sEve, Christmas, the day after
Christmas, I was helping my family because my family has a
health food business and I was helping them move refrigerators.
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So we are moving these huge commercial size refrigerators on
trucks and one was falling off the back of the truck and I
caught it and I felt my lower back give completely and I
caught it and was like, oh fuck,oh, something's wrong.
And then the next day I collapsed in my bathroom and I
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had to get stretchered to the hospital.
I couldn't move a muscle for twohours because I would I had
tried for an hour to get up and I couldn't even get to a push up
position. And like I had my wife, I put a
towel in my mouth because I had to scream into the towel.
And then I spent New Year's Eve in the hospital.
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I was there for three nights andI got the MRI and it was I have
herniated discs with two of thembeing very severe and I've just
I took I took like that. This was the that was the first
time ever in wrestling. I've taken time off for an
injury and I was cleared February 16th.
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I was cleared when I was still with AW and I've just, I go
really hard on the rehabbing andthe physical therapy and I do a
lot of different stuff. Yeah, physical therapy and like
rehabbing yoga. Like I definitely recommend
Pilates. I know a lot of people are like
what? Like yo, those are like, those
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are like great tools to help like rebuild and stabilize.
Like especially mine, like DDP talks about all the time in DDP
Yoga where he's like, you know, doing, doing bird dog stretches,
like with, with a mad daddy to help fix his back.
And I, I think about those things a lot.
So whenever I do go work, I'm back at so fun fun fact, I'm a,
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I'm a personal trainer when I'm not wrestling.
So when I'm back at work, like, like, all right, man, let me get
in this yoga mat. Let me start stretching out a
little bit. Let me like get the spine
working, get this all the stablemuscles in the center, like get
these all locked in because I think it's important.
Like recovery is massive. Like it has to be done because
otherwise, you know, like the older you get, the harder it is
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to move. And then like you got out of bed
and your skeleton starts talkingto you and you're like getting
old. Yeah.
No, it's, it's, I do, I do a lotand it's a lot of extra work
that gets very tedious at times,especially on a tight schedule.
But I just make work. And I could do, you know, I get
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stretched out by somebody every week.
I do ice baths. I do heat and heat and cold heat
and all that shit. And I do acupuncture and I do
all this stuff. But I'm glad, I'm glad you're
taking care of yourself. Listen, I'm going to take this
over to my favorite part of the three count podcast.
This is one of my favorite things and it's our fans
favorite things. This is the three count podcast,
10 count questions and Mr. Bronson, this how it works.
(36:43):
I'm going to fire off 10 questions after you wrap it fast
and whatever your answer is, that is your answer.
OK. Is it like a one word thing or
is it do I? I mean, you can kind of explain
it if you want to. It's just, yeah.
Cool. I like that.
All right, awesome. All right, cool.
So we put on imaginary. Time for added pressure, Bing.
And in the words with my favorite commentator, Mike
Goldberg, here we go smack down a Raw.
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Raw. Favorite movie?
The Crow. I love that movie.
That's my favorite movie too. But that was a horrible.
Marvel or DC? Marvel.
Favorite cartoon? SpongeBob.
Let's go Apple or Android. Apple.
(37:30):
Favorite TV show? Wow, of all time.
Sure. Breaking Bad.
It's a great pick. Waffles or pancakes?
Pancakes. Favorite podcast?
(37:54):
I love. I love anytime Shane Gillis is
on Joe Rogan. It's a great, it's a great
shout. Yeah, now the time Shane Gillis
is on because I don't listen to Joe Rogan by himself.
It bears me, but I love anytime Shane Gillis and like other
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comedians are in that group. It's called My Brother Showed Me
It but I hilarious. Yeah, I, I will look for certain
people to listen on Joe Rogan Experience.
Like I, I wait till I see the names I want to see and then
I'll go and listen to them. Nominate one person you want to
see on this podcast. One person I want to see on this
(38:37):
podcast, my wife is such a cop. I don't want to say that because
that's like such a given. Like somebody on the come up
that I feel like you should interview.
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Have you done the shooter, boys?I have not.
I have not done. Shooter boys.
Shooter Boys. I like that.
And then last but not least, my favorite question asks every
single person who comes on this podcast.
Favorite curse word? Fuck.
That's his latest. I'm I'm the worst.
Like I like I drop, like some people I do podcasts and they
(39:30):
think it's bad in person. I trust me, I I watch like
there'll be people at shows, they'll be like, hey, this is
APG show. And then like someone takes a
bump and just hear ah, fuck. And they're like, yeah, that
must have been a Cliff that was.Definitely open.
Rhode Island is extremely strictwhen it comes to, so they've
(39:51):
kicked out fans for cursing because they want it to be.
They're very, very strict. So there's so many times like,
and they give me a microphone all the time and I'm like, I'm
trying so hard. I'm trying.
I'm working. I'm working here.
I'm trying to. Yeah.
All right. We'll let all of our listeners
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and our viewers know where they can find you.
Sure. So on Instagram it's Bear Bear
Bronson under score. On Twitter, it's Bear Bronson,
BC and you can find I have my own store, I'm pro wrestling
Tees that have brand new designsand they're all awesome and you
should definitely check them outbecause they've been selling
(40:32):
really, really well and I want to keep that right.
So yeah, no, they're great. Everybody loves the black and
white one. It's called bare metal.
That's my top seller. It's funny though, because I did
tell you like I'm waiting to like run back into you like in
person so I could picture from you like person to person
because that's. That's what you cut out?
(40:53):
I'm sorry, what? Did you say I just want to pick
up a shirt person to person like?
Oh cool. Oh sweet.
Yeah, you are like I'm already afan.
Like we we've known this for a while.
So I'm just like, this is prettygone away.
All right, well, listen, he gaveyou all of his handles.
He told you where you can find them.
So you know, like every great part of our wrestling match, we
got to take this home because this is a three count podcast.
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That's now which ring. And I'm your host, Clifford Red
Dog Miller. The man leads you up there mount
to call wrestling and you know like every good sherpet, it's
never about me. It's about who's into the ring.
So who's into the ring? You see that man right there,
Bear Bronson. So you guys know what to do.
Tune into the next episode and be there.
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This is Bronson, and you're listening to the Three Count
podcast. Welcome everyone to another
great edition of the three Countpodcast presents now into ring
and I'm your host Clifford Red Dog Miller.
(00:21):
The man leads you up that mountain called wrestling and
with this, you know, 400 something episode.
I would just hope you say with me, I am your Sherpa because
like your tribal chief acknowledge me like every good
sharper, you got to have someonewho's been there, done that and
can do it more efficient. You can.
(00:42):
That's why it's never about me. It's about who's entering the
ring. So who's entering the ring?
You find this man at Limitless Focus Pro GCWC 4 Mystery.
You can see part of his matches on AEW and ROH.
You find this man at Wrestling Open, both Rhode Island and
Massachusetts. You can also find this man at
Beyond and the Cap. He's A tag team specialist, a
(01:04):
superstar. He is, whether he's coming from
Bear Fountain or the Iron Savage, he is a monster of a
man. He is on PWI's tag team.
He's on PWI's top 500. He is the man, the myth, the
legend. Bear Bronson.
Holy shit, what bro? Oh my God.
(01:25):
That's it. I could go now.
You gave all the info. Let's go.
Wow, that was impressive. I appreciate it, man.
I actually, so one of my favorite things was we actually
met at Wrestling Open. Yeah.
And it was, it was funny becauselike, I just like walked right
up to you and just gave you likea hug.
(01:46):
And I feel like it was the firsttime we met.
It was like this is like one wayto like entrance.
Yeah, no, no, I remember. And you know, what's funny is
like I was just very much like because I was I was there, I
believe, just supporting my wifethe know me.
So at that time too, like I was just like very happy to be there
(02:09):
and just, you know, happy to seeeveryone and sort of thing.
So I I felt like I had already knew you.
Yeah, I always, I always, that'sone of my favorite things about
like just in life, right? I, I, you know, I tell everybody
I was like, I don't know strangers.
I just know people like I'm not really quite acquaintance with.
And so I just like going up and like talk to people and having
(02:30):
conversations. And that's the that's the one
thing, if you treat everybody like you haven't talked to that
friend forever, it's never awkward.
Never. Yeah, No, I'm, I'm the same
exact way. And especially when it comes to
wrestling, you know, I get a lotof, well, not in this case
because, you know, you're one ofthe boys.
But like, whether it's people I've never met before or, you
(02:55):
know, I do get a lot of Flack from other workers for being
like friends with fans, but I just don't view it that way at
all. I view it very much like if, if
you love wrestling, we have something big in common, that's
enough for me to like hit to like hit it off with somebody,
you know. So like, I'm just, I'm just very
(03:16):
much the same way. And I always, I always risk
everybody and like everybody until they give me a reason not
to. So I'm like, I'm like kind of
the opposite where people, I feel like you kind of have to
like put in effort or something to like be someone's friend.
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I'm the opposite. I'm very much the opposite.
I'll be friends with everybody, everybody.
I'll hit it off with anybody until you give me a reason not
to. I'm just, that's just how I do
life. That's always how I've got about
everything. And yeah, so anytime I meet
somebody and it's like, hey, youknow, I'm just that way.
I think it's just mental health wise too, just you end up, if
(04:02):
you live life that way, I feel like you end up surrounding
yourself with more positive people.
Yeah, and more positivity and more.
You know, that's how I do it. Yeah, no, I had AI, had a good
friend back in Hawaii when I wasstationed out there.
That's what he used to preach tome was like.
Positive energy always creates athis and that's how you find
(04:23):
peace. Oh, I like.
That. Yeah, you put out, you put out
what you get back. And, and my, my, my friend, like
that's, that was his thing. And like he said it to me.
And man, I, I have always thought about that since Jesus
was a 2006 now. So it's like it's written with
me for a long time. And I think about that all the
(04:43):
time where it's like, yo, you got to, you got to put that
positive energy about if you want to get that positive energy
back. And if you're not, you'll you'll
reap what you sow Like people talk about it all the time.
Yeah, yeah. No, that's facts.
Yeah, and I just, that's why I think man, like if you, if you
treat people well, you're, you're going to get treated well
back response. That's why I think like.
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Yeah, exactly. And that's why I think like for
you, like I, I, we've never actually talked about this.
And you know, pardon me if I'm writing this off for the first
time, but like when you got released from AAW, like I was, I
was pissed. And I'm sure like you said, you
had like before we were talking,you had a lot of positive
responses. And it was like, I think because
everybody saw who you were like in front of the camera, they
(05:28):
kind of got an understanding of who Bear Bronson is.
And they're like, oh, this is someone that like, I saw them
after I'm drinking a beer and we're having a great time doing
whatever it is. Sure, sure.
Yeah. But again, you know, positive
feedback, always getting people to respond to you and talk to
you and and enjoy, enjoy life with you.
I think that's that's an awesomething to have.
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Yeah, you know it. It's funny because like I'm very
lucky to have a lot of people inmy life that care about me,
whether it's a family member, a friend, a good friend, maybe
just an acquaintance. So when I left awa, lot of
people were very upset and I kind of like had to everyone
(06:18):
that I could, I kind of had to bring everybody down a little
and be like, hey, guys, I'm fine.
Like, you know, I, I appreciate it so much, but I'm very much
looking forward to what's like ahead.
And everything that's happening now is like, let's say, even
just way more than what I envisioned.
I knew what I wanted, but I'm just, I'm, I'm good, you know,
(06:45):
I'm having the most fun ever. And I'm just, I'm very lucky,
though. I'm very, I don't want to take
that for granted. I'm very lucky.
How so many people care makes mefeel good, you know?
But yeah, I, I am. I think the best part of
everything that's this year is everyone's getting to see the
(07:06):
real me, whether that's, you know, on podcasts like this
where I get to just speak my mind and say whatever I want
without getting a text message that I'm in trouble or like, you
know, like honestly, you know, or making a tweet and someone
(07:26):
gets upset and whatever. Because everyone wrestling is
just so tough, you know, or, or,or if you see me, just the the
work that I'm doing in the ring and whether that's normal
matches or now death matches, it's I have a vision of what
(07:46):
Bear Bronson is. And I finally really get to let
out that vision. I get to paint that picture for
everybody. And it's very fun.
Very, very fun. Yeah.
I was going to say, what does that picture look like for you?
So I I think a big thing coming out of AW was that I didn't want
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to limit myself. I want, you know, in my like, I
have a vision of what a professional wrestler is.
And I can now say, because this is my 11th year wrestling, and
finally after 11 years, I can say that teenage me, his
(08:34):
favorite blur would be Bear Bronson.
And I never thought I would everreach that.
And I actually at one point became OK with that where I was
like, that's just a dream that won't happen.
So to me that was just like a dream that like was maybe just
(08:55):
not too far fetched, but like I looked at it very much.
So like if I'm going to be successful in this business,
it's going to be as like a mid car guy at best, like just doing
what I'm told and whatever. And you know, there was a few
years now for that. I would say the past four years
(09:17):
where I was very vocal and jokedabout how I would say like
teenage me would think the Iron Savages suck and like it's just
true. I just I'm very self aware and
that is just something that I had come to terms with and I was
(09:38):
like, OK, we can't all be happy.We can't all you know, be the
stars that we want to be. And I never ever thought I'd
change that around and now I have.
And now, like I am, I truly believe I am teenage meets
favorite wrestler, whether that be normal matches or hardcore
brawling death matches. Like I just even I even just had
(10:04):
this conversation with somebody to where like because somebody
had came to me and said, Hey, I'm not a death matches.
But it does feel like people arerealizing what Bear Bronson is
supposed to be. And I was like, Oh, really?
(10:25):
Like, what do you? And he brought up the danger
feel aspect of it to where like,you know, if if a fan sees me on
a normal show, normal wrestling show, a lot of people were like,
you know, you already, somebody had said, like you already have
these scars all over your back and your arms.
And The thing is like if you look at a bear attack, if you're
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looking at the movie The revenant or the bear that is
attacking, it does never comes out of these attacks unscathed.
If you watch 2 bears fight each other, they get they mutilate
each other and just no sell it. Like, but if you ever see a bear
after an attack, the bear itself, even if it killed its
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prey, it's all ripped up and like it skins hanging off and
shit. And somebody brought that up.
I was like, I've never even thought of that.
Like I thought that was so cool.I was a student actually.
And I was like, oh, man, that's pretty cool.
So like, you know, if I do like,create a pro wrestling family
friendly, you know, obviously I'm not doing any of the
(11:29):
hardcore stuff or any of that, but like, people can see the
scars I have and they're like, yeah, a bear would have that.
So like, you know, it does fit the bill and I've never, I've,
that's never crossed my mind once.
And I thought that was the coolest thing.
So not that that means everything.
That's just to me a little aspect of a picture that I'm
(11:51):
trying to paint. And I I I could go on forever
about this but. You know, I, I.
Feel like I'm, I feel like I'm breaking limits to where like
there, there's a lot I would saymany pro wrestlers across across
the board, they limit themselvesand they're afraid to do things
(12:15):
because of what others would think or I'm afraid to be
pigeonholed and I'm afraid of all this stuff and everyone
instills fear in themselves. And then I go do it and it's
been nothing but great. And as long as you're doing
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things the right way, of course,and if you're doing it for the
right reasons, I'm not saying, hey, every wrestler should go do
death matches. That's absolutely not the case
at all. But it's not only death matches,
it's plenty of other things. It's plenty of other things.
Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, and for like
me, and I'll be fair, like I, I will tell everybody this.
Like that is not my wheelhouse, although I can appreciate the
(12:59):
art form of it. But like, I can also like, I do
understand like the aspect of like, because I do it to myself.
And mind you, I've, I've, I've been in the game now for about 5
years. Like I'm in my fifth year going
into my 6th year in January. It's like I still find myself at
the point where I'm like, man, do I want to push this button?
Do I want to try this? Do I want to try that?
(13:19):
Like what? What's going to make me stand
out? Like how do I make myself stand?
So I think about those things consciously.
And then sometimes I say anything like, I want to attract
myself, you know, get some traction on my on my views and
stuff like that for like social media or whatever.
And I'm always afraid of postingsomething because I'm like, yo,
what if somebody sees this that isn't like doesn't understand
(13:39):
and then they turn that and thenthis is the whole thing.
Or what if a promoter gets upsetbecause they see me talking this
way or something? So I'm like always trying to be,
I'm too self-conscious or too too self aware about posting
stuff, but like I shouldn't be. And then even in a wrestling
ring, there are times where I look like, dude, you should
definitely hit this move. And I'm like, Nah, we, we'll
just save it for later. But really inside and we're just
(14:01):
like I'm, I'm kind of worried, like I don't know what to do.
That's that's everybody. That is everybody.
I feel like there's this, there is a problem in wrestling.
There really is where everybody is limited to being their true
selves because we're instilled with all of these like ideals
(14:23):
that like, you know, you've absolutely heard a 40 Miller vet
be like, oh, why, what are you doing that move for?
It's too much. Or you know, it's almost like
that. So much so that we start, we
start to believe it ourselves and we start to regurgitate
these stupid things like I, I, Ihad a match with it with a kid,
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the other, you know, whatever. And I was like, you know, what's
something cool that you could dohere?
And he felt afraid. Tell me like he would pretended
he was joking, but he really wasn't joking.
You just wanted to see what I'd say, where he was like, imagine
like I hit like a poison Rana here And I was like, do it.
He goes, no, no, no, that's stupid.
(15:09):
That's too much. But that's indie bullshit.
I said, no, it's not. I think it's cool as fuck.
Do it. I'll take it, let's do it.
And it was just like, I don't I don't think this person
particularly was was used to hearing like the do what you
want and fuck what everyone elsethinks.
It's they're just a lot of theseyoung guys.
(15:30):
I know I have too for years. Like you're instilled with like
these like really weird ideals to where we all start to like
change who we are and change thewrestler we want to be.
And it I'm, I am this year specifically trying to break
(15:51):
that mold. I'm hoping I can inspire others
not to do death matches unless you want to.
But doing things for clout is, is the wrong reason to do
something. My main, my main I, I did death
matches because I've, I've been a fan of them since I was 13.
(16:12):
No one knows that, but that was something I needed to do for me.
But like, if you were, if you came into this business as a
Young bucks fan or PWG, like youknow what it like and you and
people are are are instilling inyou that that is stupid or too
much or it's acrobats or it's whatever, whatever.
(16:35):
A lot of young guys are instilled with this fear that
they'll look like a mark or whatever.
And you know, let me just say first, like, do you need to
learn how to crawl before you walk and then walk before you
run? Absolutely.
That's with anything. You know, I'll even say that
about death masters. It's important to learn and
(16:59):
perfect the craft first of how to tell a story in the ring.
Perfecting your fundamentals before anything, you know,
learning the very, very basic fundamentals of what we do is,
is a must. It's essential.
But once you do, then you could start to break the, you know,
(17:20):
you could start to make this artyour own, you know, and I
believe John Cena has said this because IA lot of John Cena's
quotes, I really hold deep closeto me.
John Cena and a few others have said this dare to be different.
And I take that to heart. I really take that to heart.
(17:47):
I think a lot of young guys are very afraid to be different
because everybody, you know, everybody has their what
wrestling should be. And if, if a style of wrestling
doesn't fall under what they think it should be, it's wrong
and it's stupid and it's garbage.
And you know, but the, the, the fact is pro wrestling is, is a
(18:17):
million different flavors of icecream.
It's a it's you could, you couldsay flavors of ice cream, You
could say, you know, you have a paintbrush and to choose the
colors you use, you get to choose the color wheel that you
use, You know, because we're, weare artists and well, at least I
(18:37):
believe that some people, some people, some people say no, but
I believe that I really, I really do.
And man, just also when you whenyou something I could truly say
now is this just this just gets way more fun the more you make
it want it to be, you know? Yes, 100%.
(19:01):
That was something I learned this last.
Well, it was about a year ago I started learning that because
like when I first got into this business, I just thought your
character was given to you by your trainer.
I don't know why. I just thought that was a thing.
So like my trainer, so my my trainer was like, hey, you're
going to be very stoic. Your prior military.
(19:23):
We want that kind of guy. That's who you're going to be in
six months. Like I was giving it my best,
but I was like, it just didn't feel natural.
So I felt like I was forced. And so I told him I was like,
yo, let me just tap into this other side of the military that
like is more me. And so I started covering promos
like with more fun, more dark humor.
So I thought that was like whereI wanted to be.
(19:44):
So it turned out to be like morekind of like a Deadpool type.
And I was running with that for a couple years.
And then last year I started really teaming up with my
friends who are down in Maryland.
And then I started to let go andstarted being more of like.
Talking like I normally talk in the way I act and it just felt
more genuine and I felt the crowd was connecting more with
(20:05):
me and stuff. And you know what?
What I ended up learning was that the the artist side of me
wanted to be just me just hyped up to A10 with a paintbrush that
just said, hey, my intent is either to a come in here and
break a fool or make you laugh, depending on which one.
And in some instances it could be both.
But I'm just like, I'm just trying to, I don't know, just
(20:30):
show people that, like, I have more layers to me than just like
the comedy guy or just like the superstar guy.
And I can like, blend them together and make it work.
And yeah, I started finding myself having a lot more fun and
wrestling when I started to let go and started to be like, hey,
this is who I want to be and this is what I'm going to do
(20:51):
from now on. Hell yeah, yeah.
And if you look at it as a business side too, because this
is a business, like this is something I try to, you know,
explain to a lot of our studentsis like if if you're somebody
who believes you can't be both funny, both stoic, both
(21:13):
whatever, whatever. Flavors and layers are so
important. Because if you are trying to do
this for a living and you are trying to if you're trying to
pick a full schedule, you're going to be wrestling different
types of shows all the time. Bear Bronson is going to be much
different wrestling in front of children.
(21:36):
If I if I you know, on a Friday night, I two weeks ago I
wrestled. It was Friday Hartford, CT for
GCW against Beast Man, light tubes, barbed wire, door, whole
9 yards. That Bear Bronson was different
(22:00):
than the Bear Bronson on Monday where I got thrown to the
outside for a 10 count and children were pulling me up to
my feet. That's a different layer than
what the fans on Friday saw. The adult crowd on Friday saw a
much different person. Not different person.
(22:22):
I'm sorry, that's wrong. Not a different person,
different layers. Right.
One's not. They're not going to work for
the other. I, I like the idea that you call
it layers. I always call it the multiverse.
That's how I refer to it. So I refer to as the, the multi,
like the multiverse of Red dog is how I like to refer to it.
(22:42):
And that's why I like the comedyside of him and like sometimes
like the real dickish side of him and sometimes like what what
my friends have now labeled WestCoast Red Dog.
There's like different multiverses and I know Bo does
to me on the program about this,he was like, you'll find all
these different layers and all these different universes of
you, but eventually you'll find like Red Dog Prime and that'll
(23:06):
be the one that like everybody wants to get to know.
And I think about, I think aboutthat, but I like the layers
aspect of it, seeing different people with different, different
sides of you. Yeah, it keeps things fresh too.
You know, there's there's also the Barrett Bronson that teams
with his wife as a Savage knownsdifferent.
(23:27):
It's still me. It's still Bear Bronson, but
it's different. It's different than the one
that's put in a ring with bundles of light tubes and
exploding bats and shit. I do think I think everyone
needs those layers. That's why I'll even say this.
I don't like the word gimmick. I try not to use it.
I don't like gimmick when peopleare like, what's your gimmick?
(23:50):
I don't believe you should have a gimmick.
I believe you should have a character.
I think they're different characters to me, have layers.
To me, a gimmick is the goon from, you know, the 90s or, you
know, it's very one-dimensional,not much to, you know, And they
(24:10):
do have, I believe gimmicks haveceilings.
They're very low feelings characters.
CM Punk's not a gimmick. You know, he's not John Cena's
not a gimmick. They're characters.
Yeah, with many, many different layers to them is a character.
None of these top guys in WWE and the ones you see on TV are
(24:33):
gimmicks. You know, That's why I really
don't like that word. I really like character
characters with layers. I I do, I see your point because
like I know like old school 1980s, nineteen 90s WWF, you
know, it's out here. There's a lot you're a wrestler
and this so you're kind of limited on who you are like re
(24:57):
that you know, Simon Miller talks about Repo man being one
of his favorite people, but likerepo man was like that was it
Like you were just a guy who repossessed things.
Cool. There's nothing much more to you
in that world, even though therewas like he put a lot of letters
into it, but to him, that's who you were reimpresented as you
were this guy. You know, I do.
(25:17):
I do like the aspect of like that you want to build on top of
your character. I I talk about this with a lot
of my friends too that like theyalways ask like how I how I
developed the world and I was like, that's all it was like I
put myself in the world. I ask myself questions all the
time and then I play in the world of red dog and try to
figure out like what's red dogs favorite things?
(25:40):
Why does he not like this? Why does he like that?
What, what, why is it that he wrestles this way?
What why does he laugh at dumb jokes?
Like what it what makes him tick?
And I think the more you play inthe world, the more you'll start
to it just comes second nature to whatever it is you're blush.
Sure. That makes sense.
(26:00):
Like I found out that Red Dog's favorite music is the Backstreet
Boys. There we go.
But it's his choice, like. There you go.
But yo. Right, OK, so we, we've been
talking about characters and stuff like that and, and, and
building. I I want to know like, was there
a moment when you were watching professional wrestling?
(26:23):
Because we're all fans, let's befair.
Was there a moment in special saying when you were watching
and you're like, alright, this is it, I have to make this jump?
So for me, like it's been in my,it's always been in my life.
(26:44):
I would like, I think it just became more real as I became an
adult because there was never a period in my life where
wrestling wasn't in it. Like I've I've been a fan since
my earliest memories. And then as I grew up and
realized there were there are wrestling schools when I
(27:05):
graduated College in 2000, graduate high school in 2014, I
joined Creative Pro wrestling and just never looked back.
I tried to balance both college at the same time and that lasted
1 semester I think because I just one of them started to slip
(27:26):
effort wise and I was, I'm not giving up wrestling.
I want to do this even. I never thought I would be a
star still not but like I wouldn't.
I never thought I would reach the heights that I have.
I just knew when looking at what, when someone would say
what do you want to do with yourlife?
It was to be involved in wrestling in some capacity.
(27:51):
Any, anything, even if it's the lowest level in these higher,
you know, maybe it's if it's nota wrestler, maybe it's a
commentator, maybe it's anythingI even went to, I went to
scratch. My backup plan was going to
school for journalism so that I could be a dirt sheet writer.
(28:12):
Like like everything evolved around wrestling.
I can't imagine doing anything else that's not involved in this
in some way. Yeah.
I think that's that's, that's the way with everybody.
I think when we get into this business that like we we wanted
this and we were going to run ashard as we could to get to it.
And everybody has like a different path in getting here.
(28:34):
I know even for me, like I, I when I left the military and I
had no idea what I want to do, Iwent to college because I was
like, well, that's the next step.
Everybody does. They just go to school, went to
school, did that thing. And then I was like, all right,
well, I'm done with school. What what's their next to do?
And I was like, I don't know, let's go into pro wrestling.
And so like I started going to pro wrestling and then I started
(28:54):
getting like more and more involved and I was like just
fun. And I was like the first job,
actually I told this like a couple times, but the first job
I ever applied for when I got out of the military was the
BAWWE writer and didn't work outall.
Right, Yeah. You tried though.
Yeah, I put my application and everything and I was like, ah,
(29:14):
that's not didn't work out, but that's all right.
But then after that, like, you know, I got into pro wrestling
and then I was like, I want to create a podcast, 'cause I
wanted to like all make sense. And then like, I started
training and then I started COVID happened and then I got
shut down. So I had to rebuild.
And then like from there, everything just kind of worked
itself around. But I think I don't know what I
(29:37):
would be doing if I wasn't. I would probably still be trying
to find a way to get into pro wrestling if I wasn't doing it
actively right now. Sure.
Me too. Yeah, absolutely.
Let me ask you this question because you've you've won.
You wrestle the person I've wrestled, which was Beast Man, I
definitely thought that was kindof cool.
Cool. Yeah.
Yeah, I've worked them a couple times.
It's a unique experience on my part because I'm a smaller guy,
(30:03):
but with that being said, I wantto know what's the worst bump
you've taken? That would have to be what
caused my back injury, which wasstemming all the way back from
in 2018 or early 2019, which I forgot which.
(30:26):
The date's fuzzy, but I was wrestling the mainstay posse at
Chaotic Wrestling. Cold Theory 1918 Cold Fury 18 I
believe. But it was a last team standing
match, and the last bump of the mass for me and my opponent was
(30:47):
a package pile driver off the apron through the table and
under the table is just a basketball court.
And there was a tiny mat there that did nothing.
But I'd planned for this table to break our fall at least a
little bit, because tables usually do.
Like if anybody is, what if anybody watched me Burr Slade
going off the scissor lift? Those tables were fantastic.
(31:13):
This table for the package powerdriver was not it.
It felt like it it felt like I just went straight to the floor
and me, you know, I called this spot.
So I'm trying to keep my opponent as safe as possible.
His head didn't touch, but when I when we had landed, we went
(31:34):
right through the table. It's on my Instagram really far
down, but I had felt a crack in my lower back and my legs went
numb and I couldn't get up. And then we we got to the back
and we were getting reamed out because we went, I think we were
given 12 to 15 and we went like 33 or something.
So we went way over our time to where they had to cut
(31:55):
intermission. That means a lot of workers lost
them. So they didn't get to, you know,
which is real Dick move on our part.
Where was I? Yeah.
So we did the package pile driver off the Apathy's table.
I felt a crack on my lower back.Couldn't feel my legs very hard
to to get up and walk again thatnight.
(32:17):
But the type person them is likeI had bookings that whole
weekend and like me and my partner at the time had a full
schedule. And to me it's like if you can
walk, you can wrestle. And I'd gotten to a point to
(32:39):
where I could walk. Not very smart.
I don't. I don't push that mentality on
my students or anything like that.
It's just how I personally view things.
So there's been many times in mycareer where I've wrestled when
I probably shouldn't have. Definitely have wrestled through
concussions and stuff, which is stupid, but I put it off.
(33:04):
I did not go to the hospital. I did not go see a doctor.
I didn't get it checked out because genuinely, I was afraid
of what they would tell me. And then years later, you know,
I kind of just put up with it for years.
So it's affected my work, it's affected my training, and I've
just always just done my best towork around it.
(33:24):
But I've lived in constant lowerback pain for a long time and
until this past year, New Year'sEve, Christmas, the day after
Christmas, I was helping my family because my family has a
health food business and I was helping them move refrigerators.
(33:45):
So we are moving these huge commercial size refrigerators on
trucks and one was falling off the back of the truck and I
caught it and I felt my lower back give completely and I
caught it and was like, oh fuck,oh, something's wrong.
And then the next day I collapsed in my bathroom and I
(34:07):
had to get stretchered to the hospital.
I couldn't move a muscle for twohours because I would I had
tried for an hour to get up and I couldn't even get to a push up
position. And like I had my wife, I put a
towel in my mouth because I had to scream into the towel.
And then I spent New Year's Eve in the hospital.
(34:29):
I was there for three nights andI got the MRI and it was I have
herniated discs with two of thembeing very severe and I've just
I took I took like that. This was the that was the first
time ever in wrestling. I've taken time off for an
injury and I was cleared February 16th.
(34:53):
I was cleared when I was still with AW and I've just, I go
really hard on the rehabbing andthe physical therapy and I do a
lot of different stuff. Yeah, physical therapy and like
rehabbing yoga. Like I definitely recommend
Pilates. I know a lot of people are like
what? Like yo, those are like, those
(35:13):
are like great tools to help like rebuild and stabilize.
Like especially mine, like DDP talks about all the time in DDP
Yoga where he's like, you know, doing, doing bird dog stretches,
like with, with a mad daddy to help fix his back.
And I, I think about those things a lot.
So whenever I do go work, I'm back at so fun fun fact, I'm a,
(35:36):
I'm a personal trainer when I'm not wrestling.
So when I'm back at work, like, like, all right, man, let me get
in this yoga mat. Let me start stretching out a
little bit. Let me like get the spine
working, get this all the stablemuscles in the center, like get
these all locked in because I think it's important.
Like recovery is massive. Like it has to be done because
otherwise, you know, like the older you get, the harder it is
(35:59):
to move. And then like you got out of bed
and your skeleton starts talkingto you and you're like getting
old. Yeah.
No, it's, it's, I do, I do a lotand it's a lot of extra work
that gets very tedious at times,especially on a tight schedule.
But I just make work. And I could do, you know, I get
(36:21):
stretched out by somebody every week.
I do ice baths. I do heat and heat and cold heat
and all that shit. And I do acupuncture and I do
all this stuff. But I'm glad, I'm glad you're
taking care of yourself. Listen, I'm going to take this
over to my favorite part of the three count podcast.
This is one of my favorite things and it's our fans
favorite things. This is the three count podcast,
10 count questions and Mr. Bronson, this how it works.
(36:43):
I'm going to fire off 10 questions after you wrap it fast
and whatever your answer is, that is your answer.
OK. Is it like a one word thing or
is it do I? I mean, you can kind of explain
it if you want to. It's just, yeah.
Cool. I like that.
All right, awesome. All right, cool.
So we put on imaginary. Time for added pressure, Bing.
And in the words with my favorite commentator, Mike
Goldberg, here we go smack down a Raw.
(37:07):
Raw. Favorite movie?
The Crow. I love that movie.
That's my favorite movie too. But that was a horrible.
Marvel or DC? Marvel.
Favorite cartoon? SpongeBob.
Let's go Apple or Android. Apple.
(37:30):
Favorite TV show? Wow, of all time.
Sure. Breaking Bad.
It's a great pick. Waffles or pancakes?
Pancakes. Favorite podcast?
(37:54):
I love. I love anytime Shane Gillis is
on Joe Rogan. It's a great, it's a great
shout. Yeah, now the time Shane Gillis
is on because I don't listen to Joe Rogan by himself.
It bears me, but I love anytime Shane Gillis and like other
(38:17):
comedians are in that group. It's called My Brother Showed Me
It but I hilarious. Yeah, I, I will look for certain
people to listen on Joe Rogan Experience.
Like I, I wait till I see the names I want to see and then
I'll go and listen to them. Nominate one person you want to
see on this podcast. One person I want to see on this
(38:37):
podcast, my wife is such a cop. I don't want to say that because
that's like such a given. Like somebody on the come up
that I feel like you should interview.
(39:03):
Have you done the shooter, boys?I have not.
I have not done. Shooter boys.
Shooter Boys. I like that.
And then last but not least, my favorite question asks every
single person who comes on this podcast.
Favorite curse word? Fuck.
That's his latest. I'm I'm the worst.
Like I like I drop, like some people I do podcasts and they
(39:30):
think it's bad in person. I trust me, I I watch like
there'll be people at shows, they'll be like, hey, this is
APG show. And then like someone takes a
bump and just hear ah, fuck. And they're like, yeah, that
must have been a Cliff that was.Definitely open.
Rhode Island is extremely strictwhen it comes to, so they've
(39:51):
kicked out fans for cursing because they want it to be.
They're very, very strict. So there's so many times like,
and they give me a microphone all the time and I'm like, I'm
trying so hard. I'm trying.
I'm working. I'm working here.
I'm trying to. Yeah.
All right. We'll let all of our listeners
(40:11):
and our viewers know where they can find you.
Sure. So on Instagram it's Bear Bear
Bronson under score. On Twitter, it's Bear Bronson,
BC and you can find I have my own store, I'm pro wrestling
Tees that have brand new designsand they're all awesome and you
should definitely check them outbecause they've been selling
(40:32):
really, really well and I want to keep that right.
So yeah, no, they're great. Everybody loves the black and
white one. It's called bare metal.
That's my top seller. It's funny though, because I did
tell you like I'm waiting to like run back into you like in
person so I could picture from you like person to person
because that's. That's what you cut out?
(40:53):
I'm sorry, what? Did you say I just want to pick
up a shirt person to person like?
Oh cool. Oh sweet.
Yeah, you are like I'm already afan.
Like we we've known this for a while.
So I'm just like, this is prettygone away.
All right, well, listen, he gaveyou all of his handles.
He told you where you can find them.
So you know, like every great part of our wrestling match, we
got to take this home because this is a three count podcast.
(41:15):
That's now which ring. And I'm your host, Clifford Red
Dog Miller. The man leads you up there mount
to call wrestling and you know like every good sherpet, it's
never about me. It's about who's into the ring.
So who's into the ring? You see that man right there,
Bear Bronson. So you guys know what to do.
Tune into the next episode and be there.
Or you're legitimately falls on all of our social media
(41:37):
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