THE 3 COUNT PODCAST PRESENTS CHAZ AND FRIENDS - THE ONE ABOUT THE FANS

🔥 Topic 1: Looking Back — Was the John Cena Heel Turn a Failure?

Context: Years later, fans are split on whether the move was a bold reinvention or a wasted opportunity that didn’t hit its full potential.

Debate Question: Did the Cena heel run elevate his career, or did WWE fumble the ball with how it was booked?

🔥 Topic 2: What Was the Real Catalyst of the Current Wrestling Boom?

Context: With wrestling thriving across WWE, AEW, TNA, and the independents, many are debating what actually sparked this surge.

Debate Question: Was it a specific moment, company, or cultural shift that lit the fuse on today’s boom?

🔥 Topic 3: With ESPN’s New WWE Deal, Is WWE Pricing Out Their Fans?

Context: The ESPN–WWE partnership could expand the brand’s reach, but some fans worry about subscription costs and accessibility.

Debate Question: Is WWE setting itself up for bigger audiences—or pushing loyal fans away with premium pricing?

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Episode Transcript

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Yo-yo, yo-yo, yo-yo yo. Tonight we are pulling no
punches on this episode of Chaz and Friends.
First up, John Cena's heel turn.All right, we're looking back at
it. Was it a brilliant reinvention
or one of WS biggest wasted opportunities?
We're breaking it down. Then we're in the middle of one

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of wrestling's hottest periods in decades.
But what actually lit the spark All right, Was it AW arrival?
Was it Roman Reigns in the bloodline or was it something
entirely different? We're going to get into that and
finally we're going to talk about it.
WWE new ESPN deal. Could it bring them?
It could bring them in a new more homes than ever or it could

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push their most loyal fans away with premium prices.
Are we looking at growth or greed?
It's Chaz and friends and we gothot.
Takes hotter than a summer slam weekend.
The following program. It's a collection of idiots

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talking about happenings in the sports entertainment world.
It is meant to be cometically informative.
The opinions expressed on this show does not necessarily
reflect the beliefs of their peers, their bosses, platform,
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things said on this show becausethis is how we talk to each

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other. If you are young, please seek
permission before watching any further.
Your homies The three Count podcast.
PS Please do not. Sue us.
It's your boy, your nephew, yourcousin.
It's the Dawn. Chaz Evans.
You're checking out the hottest podcast in the world, The Three.

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Count Podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and

(02:15):
girls, children of all ages, welcome to this episode of Chaz
and Friends. I'm your host, Chaz Evans, and
let me introduce to you my friends.
Introducing first. He is the landlord of the dog
pound. He is, well, I'm going to let
him explain actually what happened yesterday.
But ladies and gentlemen, he is all right, the Air Force

(02:38):
veteran, all right. He is the Intel specialist.
He is your not so friend. Maybe one belt less friendly
neighborhood red dog. Yeah, it is Air Force, that
Intel specialist, the one you call on when you need to get the
job done in your friendly neighborhood, Red Dog and former

(02:58):
extreme heavyweight championshipchampion over at, you know, HWF
Honorary Wrestling Federation. Hey, listen, man, sometimes, you
know, you know, crime pays, bro.Like, yo, how you just as a
referee, you just don't watch the man put his feet on the
ropes and you just keep staring at the shoulders like, oh, I'm
locked in 1-2, three men. You know, things happen, man.

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So it is what it is so. You know what's if Damian was
here, you know what he would say.
He would say, you know what, reddog?
I understand sometimes some things happen.
That's what he would say to me. He would say to.
You you know what, come to thinkabout it, you're right.

(03:40):
Yeah, you're right. You're right.
Now I'm really sitting here thinking about it, what he would
say to me. You're right.
And yeah, you're right. Never mind.
Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, heis our special guest here today.
I got Lou. I got Lou the franchise.
All right. He's very he's featured more
heavily on the Villains Lounge. He's bringing that villains
energy right here on Chaz and friends.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Lou, the franchise.
It is the shingle guy. I've had shingles for 8 weeks
and I almost died three times inthe last three months.
Respect me or I'll come get you.A real real quick though man, I
just wanted to say you look likeyou work at a telemarketing

(04:24):
scheming agency like. Welcome to Home Depot.
Get out of here now. Done already.
Already done. Hello, my name is Steve.
How can I help you? Already done.
I'm glad to be here with you guys today.
Thank you. No, no, no.
We're happy to have you. Look, it's it's been a while

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since since Louise been on the debate show.
If you haven't been a like a long time viewer when Lou was
was a regular on on on the on the debate show, Let me tell you
something. There were some heated debates
between me and Lou. Let me you want to see somebody
walk off the show. I I probably, they're probably
more walk offs in the time here in the Lou era then there is

(05:08):
ever in the show if we count them all in total.
And I think I'm probably going to do that now just for the fun
of it and just have a little thicker of how many times Lou
made me walk off this show for his takes.
I literally just my, my goal in this show is to make you do what
your little sister JJ did and rip your shirt off.

(05:31):
That's insane. First of all, first of all, you
said his little sister, like, hey, yo, there's no Jeffrey
Epstein around here, bro. Like, do not say that.
Oh my God, Chaz. Chaz only looks.
Chaz looks like he's 21. Like you saying his little
sister, that's not a good look. If you haven't done so, please

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all of you catching us on podcast on the audio version
right there on Tuesday. Sorry you were catching this two
days later. You need to watch the show on
Sunday nights. We get the show start around
6:15-ish. We run on CP time.
Look at me, we run on CP time. Why do you say it twice?

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Because I had to. PP Time.
It's CPT Anyway, Red Dog, let usknow what's coming out, what's
coming down? Oh, now entering the ring.
We got a bunch of interviews andyou're ready to get I got to get
scheduled up and then we're going to start dropping
interviews all over again. For those who don't watch, who
watch the show and you know, also make sure you like hit that

(07:06):
alarm so that way you can see all the new videos that are
coming out now. It's in ring 201.
We just had Mike Skyros come out.
So if you guys went and checked that episode out, very thank
you. Leave your comments.
We'd love to hear from you guys.Also, we had tomahawk the week
before that. We're now entering 201 and then
Bear Bronson the week before that.
There will be more interviews coming up.
I have to go through and actually start reaching back out
to the people and get them get them put on the schedule.

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But it that will be hitting up and you guys will be going to
see all those interviews as theydrop.
What's up? Jason says a hell of a intro
gang. Thanks, Noah.
That's how that works dawg. It it I I have a intro laid out
but it never goes to plan because everyone has out of

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pocket things to say on a Sundayevening.
It's crazy because like in this video right now, the way I'm
looking at it, I'm Tanner than Anthony Lujan.
That's fucked. I'm just saying you just a light
skinned Mexican right now, that's what you are.
I need to get back to the fields.

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Oh wow. All right, so anyway, ladies and
gentlemen, make sure that subscribe button look I don't
need. Them to the port you.
No, they're not. They're definitely not.
They they definitely won't. They're they're, they're
definitely going to ask you to become recruit.
So they're going to recruit you actually like that's, that's,
that's really what it is. See, all right, but look, we got

(08:34):
push and Barry coming up. We got temp check as well coming
up. We're going to do both of those
a day just because we had a lot of summer slam action, a lot of
stuff going on. Also top of the show, there's a
poll out on our Instagram, so 3 count pod.
Would you watch an all women's WWE show?
So weekly like it was a raw NXT.Would you watch an all women's

(08:57):
weekly show? So head on over to our
Instagram. I also get the tweet going up
put on the the poll for say on Twitter as well.
So you guys can vote there as well.
But would you watch that? That's what we got at the top of
the hour. So we'll go right back around
and we'll probably get into thatone.
But before we get all of this started, let's get on to it.

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Let's start with temp check. So temp check, that's where me
and my friends, we give you our hottest and our coldest
wrestlers going into this week. So temp check, who is your
hottest and coldest wrestler going into this week?
Red Dog, alright. Let me start this out with my
coldest wrest wrestler of the week.
A lot of people can find this controversial.

(09:43):
I don't really mind. He is the OTC, your tribal
chief, my tribal chief, everyone's tribal, the man that
sits at the head of the table. Roman is my coldest wrestler of
the week right now, and that's because my hottest wrestler of
the week is Bronson Reed, the The Tribal Thief, The Wear of

(10:05):
the Shoe Lafala. The Shoe Lafala.
Momentum. 2 pairs of Romans shoes back-to-back.
No, call it a shula. Fuck, did you?
Hear that? You didn't hear that on Summer
Slam? I did, but you bringing it back
up, doesn't it? My favorite part about this was

(10:28):
if you guys watched the post after like net after Netflix
went off the air. Yeah, that's right.
I forgot about that. I just I thought about as soon
as like, oh, the small world. There you go.
This today's show was brought toyou by.
That SWO so normally in world order, but yeah, so if you watch

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afterwards, Roman was walking around the ring with his shoe,
like his shoes were gone. And he just looked down.
He saw his shoes were gone. He just sat down.
He just stared at him and I was like, yo, that just seems like a
devo thing. Like I see this on like Friday.
He just like, damn it man, What happened again?
My match in a week though, man. I got to be fair man.

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Like the women be tearing down the house lately and I kind of
want to throw a little bit of love towards that tag team match
man. Yes bro man.
Raquel and Roxanne versus Charlotte and Alexa Bliss, like
bro, that match was so good. And then to follow it up too,

(11:38):
man, like Friday, I'm a give herI'm a give her a lot of love
Smackdown like Charlotte and Chelsea Green also tearing out a
house like back-to-back. I was like, yo, that's crazy.
Yeah, so, all right, so just because that you you could
caveat my hottest wrestler of the week, my brother, I know he

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is listening and I'm I'm sorry, but I got to do it.
But my hottest wrestler Charlotte man who the past two
weeks, but literally this this whole Alexa Bliss thing.
See, that's how you know it's crazy that I put Charlotte like
red dogs sign is falling apart. His house is a hurricane because

(12:24):
I definitely said that Charlotteis my hottest wrestler of the
week. But no look the past month since
the start of the whole we're notfriends, but we can be this cool
team. I like it.
Charlotte, this is this was the way that they should have
brought back Charlotte as a babyface because this works.
We because we want to, we want to cheer for Alexa.

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That's I think that's the thing.We want to cheer for Alexa.
So by proxy, all right, Charlotte, you, you know, and
then the story is actually good.So all right, Charlotte, you,
you can get the rub off of Alexa, but the matches that
Charlotte's been putting and it's not and it's never been a
question that Charlotte can't put on five star banger matches.
It was never the question, but she does and and it's

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consistent. Like the tag met from Summer
Slam. Absolutely.
I I love, I loved it. And then like, it's like you
just said as well, the, the the Chelsea Green and Charlotte
banger. So yeah, Charlotte's my hottest
wrestler, my coldest wrestler. Yeah, my coldest wrestler is

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Roman Reigns as well. Because like, if you get your
shoes taken twice, you can't. Like I, I don't know, morally,
culturally, professionally and personally, if I can acknowledge
a man that get his Jays taken not once, but twice.

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So Roman off my proxy off alone is my coldest wrestler because
yeah, you can't. You can't let nobody take your
J's off you in front of a bunch of people.
If it was in private and there was no evidence of video proof,
Nah, bro, I lost them. But I can pull it up on YouTube

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of Roman getting his his his J'ssnatched.
So yeah, Roman's my coldest. My match of the week is I'm
gonna give love to it because I absolutely was.
You can watch it all on the Villains Lounge.
Watch along man, Cody Rhodes andJohn Cena just wrestling can be

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beautiful sometimes if we just shut up and just let it be and
let just let it be what it is and let let the magic just let
it unwind and just don't critique nothing.
Just be in the moment and I I absolutely love that match.
Didn't make sense. Absolutely not, but that's
neither near here nor there. But like I said, I, I, I enjoyed

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it. I really enjoyed that match.
I was talking two days to my children and my wife.
Man, that, that, that John Cena Cody match was really good.
And what did I say to you, Cliff, when we, when we talk on
Tuesday, man, that Cody match isreally good like that.
So that that gets my match, my match of the week.
It might be my match. That's probably my match of the

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year at the end of the year. Like sorry.
So you got like somebody in somecompany has five months now or
four months to prove me wrong. But yeah, that was beautiful
wrestling to me. So all.
Right, so my match of the week would have been the TLC match at

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Summer Slam that they they had me pop in every time the Spanish
fly off the top rope and announce into the tables and
announce tables that mattresses fire fired me.
I like those matches though. My coldest rest of the week is
Karen Cross losing to Sammy givegetting Sammy to up.

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But reasons being is that he's out of contract with the with
the the E and we'll figure out what's going on with him and
Scarlett later. My hottest rest of the week is
Brock Lesnar coming back. I love it, it's so awesome.

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Oh, you know it's crazy. You know the.
Best part about it was is watching you Chaz freak the fuck
out. Oh man, I'm like.
This pisses off Chaz, yes, but. You know, it's funny though,
man, because like Brock was my was my pick until last night
when I watched Smackdown and I was like, Oh no, I watched

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Netflix. I watched Netflix back and I saw
the Raw and I was like, Oh no, you know what, Like Bronze and
Reed right now is just going so hard just taking this man's
shoes. I was like, it just oh, you know
what? It reminds me of the other guys.
That's what it is. Whenever they beat up Mark
Wahlberg and Will Ferrell, they just tipped their shoes.

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Like, what is it with our shoes,man?
That's what it reminds me of. So I'm like, I'm here for it
all. But now that actually Brock was
a tie. My hottest rest of the week is
Tiffany Stratton. She's still like 7, like 18 and
O in 2/20/25. She she's carrying the women's

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division and they, I mean, she'snot carrying the women's
division. There's the women's division is
popping right now. And it's just one of those
things I love. I love the title around her bait
waist. I, I cannot wait for Jade
Cargill to get her title around her waist because that I've been
waiting that since she left AUW.But yeah, Tiffany Strands is

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doing it. You know, but I I I also want to
throw in there too, man, like then that's where the the
question came from too. So if you guys were looking at
our three this we got pod Instagram, you would have seen
the question. You guys can go through and
answer it, but that's where where that's where all this spun
from. Like like right now, like you
have all this women's roster is loaded right on both shows.

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And the craziest part is that Bianca Bel Air is hurt and she's
not on smackdown and we know like that she's kind of like the
leader of that that group, right?
And like just like Rhea would bethe leader of like raw.
But it's just crazy to see the amount of talent that is there
and you're like, damn, dude, like the women really should

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have their own weekly show or they can just like have matches
and just show off because there's so many talent that's
not being featured. Like me again, Meechan is not on
the show. Be fab is you know now she's not
really getting any kind of work.She's just doing manager stuff.
Natalia, like you know, she's got a match next week or no,

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Maxine's got the match next weekagainst Becky Lynch.
But like Natalia's there like there's so many good and we're
not even talking about all the good talent.
And it's just between NXT and EVOLVE and Raw, Smack down.
Like how do you feature all the talent that you have on the show
when you really can't? And it's like you almost need

(19:24):
another show yourself. Just your case that.
You're going to run into making a lot 4 hours and smack down 4
hours if if we do do that it just needs another show.
Yeah, put it on Thursday. But see, but then again, I'll,
I'll you got your, your partnership with TNA.
Like why would you like, why would you put in direct

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competition with your so-called so-called partner?
Well, we just dissolved TNA and then we just put all the women
on that one. I like that.
We changed the name. We changed the name of TNA
because too many of you young kids out there are going to be
like TNA and it's all women. Yeah, like, no.

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Right, exactly. I, I had to be.
I I wouldn't, I wouldn't watch it.
Not I give you. And like I was saying, I just
with so much wrestling on, I probably wouldn't.
Now, if you tell me a match, like you promote a match on my
like, oh, like, let's just say just random, like you give me

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Jay Cargill versus Bianca Bel Air.
Oh, I mean if you made it an E. O2 black Wrestlers.
Those are the 2 black right? Those are the two rest that
popped in my head, sorry. So it's saying is you wouldn't
watch it if it was Charlotte Fair versus Alexa Bliss.
I mean, I watched that, but thenthey do that on Smackdown
though. But they'll do that on

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Smackdown. But but if they did it as like
an ESPN plus like exclusive likeand you can just watch it like.
No, that's different. See that's.
Yeah, see, I would go and stream.
That's a whole other different story.
Yeah, Yeah, that's another. Yeah, well, I mean.
It I ain't got shit to do all day, like sit around, no
jobless, being a bum, like beinghealth, trying to get healthy.

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I'd watch the shit out of that. Well, yeah, but you know, I
mean, you are not the typical person though.
Like you're kind of like the exception to the rule right now.
I would have to go back and watch it.
Like I if it was a if it was a streaming thing, like an ESPN
plus exclusive thing, I would I'd watch the shit out of it.
Dude, I'd all day. Like I'd watch the Pat McAfee

(21:34):
show and then watch women's wrestling show would be called
like I'd be here for it. Like I think that I think it
will work, but it's like you have to give like we'll talk
about it later because like obviously in the show we're
going to talk about the, the merger for the ESPN exclusive
with the PL. ES.
We'll have to like there's just so much going on right now.

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But I think if you gave like people a reason to watch like
like if you're on like we're paying $30.00 a month to to
watch this. You can watch women's and all
women's wrestling show on here too.
Like right. I think it I think it works, but
I think in a weekly women's wrestling show is necessary,

(22:19):
especially with Evolution, how good that was.
And we openly acknowledge that like, yeah, week in and week
out, man, women's wrestling is like tearing it up.
Like why not all? Right, so let's get to it.
First debate topic. Let's talk about big match John.

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All right, look, it was the heelturn, OK?
We waited all this time for it. All right, looking back on the
John Cena heel turn, was it worth the wait?
OK, was this was this worth the wait?
Was it a failure or was it not? Let's start with let's start

(23:05):
with Luke. What you got, brother?
But no. It.
Dude 90 days of heal heal John. Like come on.
At least if you're going to do it this way, at least do it till
his last show and then turn him face.
Let it go through all the summer, every last show that he

(23:25):
has after the summer and then let him turn face to get the
crowd popping in this Pharrell show.
Like it made no sense for him toturn face this soon.
You didn't give it. You didn't give it enough aroma
to build up. Shut.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Is that gonna be everything you
gotta say? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. No.
It sucked ass. OK, there we go.
There we go. Alright.
Yo, it was. You was gonna be me.

(24:07):
I. Yeah, it was.
It was hot garbage, bro. It was hot garbage.
Hot garbage. Like, not just not even the good
kind, bro, like that night. Not that there's a good kind of
hot garbage, yo. It is just so much trash with
it. My problem is, is like, had John
done it himself and then lookingback on it, right?

(24:30):
Had John just done it himself and not like sold his soul to
the Rock who just never reappeared again, like ever.
Like and the whole Travis Scott incident, if it was just John
being like, I'm turning heel because I deserve this and I
want to win. I don't need no one else's help.
I just, I command this thing, then I'll be like, all right,
man. Like I kind of, I kind of see

(24:51):
like why you kind of like, well,you know, I'm not really that
bad of a dude. But like, you turned the shit
into a joke on Smackdown when you looked at our truth and was
like, man, it was a weird five months where you were doing this
and this and this and this and this.
And then you made that kid in Brussel cry.
Like, yeah, it's good to have you back.
Like you turned it into a joke. So what was the fucking point?

(25:16):
What was the point where like, oh, man, like we just wanted to
see Hill John Cena. What was the point, bro?
What was the point? What was the whole point behind
it? It does nothing like he won the
championship as a heel. Cool.
The follow up on it sucked ass. Like all of it, man.

(25:37):
The the only good thing I'll sayabout it that I liked was the
change of wrong killings from our truth.
That's it. But even that got wasted man.
Like he came in, he had, we had all these like this probable,
like possibility of like different personas, you know,
especially when our truth was like, I'm the one driving now

(26:01):
and I was like, oh shit. Like we have some, we have some
things going on here. But like John comes back and
turns into a whole fucking joke.Like the whole hill turn was a
joke. Like, So what was the point?
What was the point of going heel?
Like we could have just been left with a a man.
What would have been like if John, you know, John turned heel
like at peak John. Yeah.

(26:22):
What? It just.
Yeah, I would have just rather had the what ifs and then rate
my own scenario then see like this plate of hot dukiness that
we got served to us, man. I'm just, yeah, Nah, Nah, just
ass. All of it.
Just hot stinking ass. Yeah, alright.

(26:44):
I'm look, it was bad, it was bad, it wasn't good, it was not
good. And there's there's nothing.
Yes, I and I think I honestly think even if you don't put Rock
in there and the Travis Scott thing, you know, even if we
don't have that in there, you turn him, he still turns heel.

(27:05):
I still think we would have gotten this version.
You know, I just it the crowd also didn't want to boost Cena.
And I think that was the thing doing the whole retirement tour,
announcing a retirement tour, putting the date out.
We know John's leaving and we knowing, knowing and people who

(27:28):
are going to these events and seeing John don't want their
last time seeing him, booing him.
I don't think this is the Cena hasn't been this over probably
since 2003, 2004. There was less aggression.
Like serious, like, for real. Like at the like, right at the

(27:51):
right, right when he wins the title, Cena, JBL, like right
before they were going to half and half.
So you can't wrestle Cena. Like this is he's over at that
point. And probably even more now.
They don't want to because we know he's leaving.
Yeah. And the ticker doesn't help.
And you were reminding us that the time is going by does not

(28:14):
help his cause. So I just think it was just the
wrong time. You it.
You pulled the trigger too late.And I mean.
You missed the mark. You could have.
You could have always. You could have always.
You could have always changed itwhere it's like, hey, like, you

(28:34):
know, like, like I said right atthe beginning of the year, Cena
loses at the Rumble and he says,you know what?
I deserve this. I've earned this.
I put myself in this position, blah, blah, blah.
We still keep it, right? We go to Elimination Chamber,
same thing happens. Like he wins the Chamber, right
by some, by some crazy coincidence, right?

(28:54):
And we just keep going like, hey, he wins.
If he continues and he doesn't have the rock, he can tell the
story. Like, hey, listen, I want this,
this is mine. I deserve this.
I've put all this time in. It's about me.
It can't be about y'all no more.We can get behind that as like,
he'll work. We would get a better he'll.

(29:15):
But it was like I sold my soul to The Rock and he didn't even
come back to the WrestleMania what he was supposed to.
But then he cut that promo as Dwayne on the Pat McAfee show.
You know what I mean? Like you, you kind of ruined his
heel turn by doing that. And we, yeah, and I do

(29:35):
understand like the dates, right?
Like we knew that his time was coming to an end and at some
point in time he was going to have to flip back to face.
But what we got, man, was just like.
Garbage. Garbage.
Hot, stinking garbage. I'm more fucking mad because all

(29:57):
the rumors about Cody turning heel which can be and then smack
down Cena ago his face and I'm like thank you.
I can't wait for this because wewrestling community and fanatics
know about the shit Cody went through.
I like, I I've been waiting for he'll Cody to come and it didn't

(30:21):
happen. But then he brings Brock Lesnar
in on it and it's like, Oh my God, yeah, he'll turn.
He'll see enough. Was a disaster.
But also like my, you know, whatwas like if Cody was just going
to team up with Cena at smack down like this last week, what

(30:42):
was the point of like unscrewingthe ring and then hitting Cena
in the face with the like it hadlike, you have to be able to
like when you're telling these stories, right?
They have to lead somewhere and for Cody to just come out like

(31:03):
on Smackdown, like ain't shit happen.
A we yeah, we won. Oh, I'm, I'm saving John now,
right? Like bro, like.
Yeah, it, it, it wasn't, it's just it, it was waste.
It was a waste opportunity. It was it was like and it it

(31:25):
harpens me back to the whole thing with the title and Gunther
and and Jay and it's just like, well, if we were just going to
have CM Punk, what's it called it win the belt and then, you
know, Seth cash in anyway. Why did we give this belt?
Like why, why like so I don't know.

(31:50):
Look maybe we'll see what happens on next season of WWE
unreal and see why they did thank you I love key that shows
gonna make me mad because of thefact that I'm a wrestling fan
and also I'm also in the business and I go well why would
you think that is a good idea like what I'll.

(32:13):
Be fair, they spit an idea on there that IA 100% want.
The Chelsea Green joint. The Chelsea Green joint I-150
fucking percent want that ASAP. Like I need that in my life.
I don't care if it happens at the next one the they.
Got to wait, no? Yeah, now you got to wait.
Wait, at least. They have what, at least three

(32:34):
years? I.
Never. Thought and now that they seen
it like we've all seen it as a plant now.
I, I in my, in my entire life ofthe Royal Rumble, I never
thought of that as a possibility.
So when I heard that I was like I need that.
Which is why, see, This is why it might go like, I don't know

(32:56):
why I need that show. So now you know like you would
have never thought about that. Now what if you saw the finish
and then would have never known you would be popping for a month
and a half week after we after we talking about how this.
Is the greatest Royal Roble ever.
Exactly. But now that you know that
that's a possibility, you're gonna go.
I remember that. They said like, no, that's not

(33:17):
funny. Every every week, every every
Royal Rumble would be like, yo, this is a possibility like
Chelsea green coming out at 30 and the other two just throw
themselves over by accident. Dog.
I'm it could be anybody too at this point.
It it works with Chelsea green right and 100% works with
Chelsea Green Maxine Dupree. I don't care.

(33:41):
You could be it could you can beLana back.
I don't care. You know what was Eve?
Let me get eve. You can do it, bro.
Anybody, anybody at this point now, like I'm like, hey, I want
it could be a legend. Let it be Brie.

(34:02):
They just get the big heel turn.I'm telling you right now, bro,
like I'm here for all of this out.
Just imagine it's like Alexa Bliss and Charlotte are like,
you know, like they're the last two in there and just like
fighting back and forth, right, And we're like going.
We totally forget that there's a#30 to come in and then they

(34:23):
both go over the top here comes out like Jada Parker just yo
instantly Boo, which is she's walks to the ring because she
already knows she's going to win.
She don't got to do nothing. And as soon as she goes in?

(34:44):
Yeah, all those old tweets are coming out.
That's that's perfect to bring Sasha Banks back.
Oh my God. Oh my God.
Bro, yes, Anthony, that's amazing.
Oh my. The heat, the heat.
The heat that she would draw. Oh my God.

(35:05):
I thought, all right. I didn't even.
Think about that one. Bruh dude.
It's been in my mind like. That is.
After watching. That, that is good.
That is really good. WWE, you gotta make it happen.
I need paid for that one. Bruh, if that ends up being a

(35:26):
thing, I would lose my shit. Like Oh my God.
And I'm telling you at this point, it could be Oh my God, I
I don't know if you could say any better than Sasha at this
point. Now, now that's that's too good.
Like that's so good. That's that's yeah, that's,
that's peak. That's peak.

(35:47):
Yeah, that is that. Is that?
Is and she just says, ha, I toldyou I'm to blueprint.
No, she would have to bring the she would have to bring the CEO
game and go over hottest wrestler Cena Coltus, wrestler K
and Cross. A lot of people going to be
saying that I can't like that's the that's the last one.

(36:08):
A lot of people will be saying that carrying cross is called
aborto. And I feel like that's just
that's just easy to get at. But yeah, I mean like carrying
Cross put on one hell of a matchon Summer Slam and.
Yeah, him and Sammy did good. Yeah, him and Sammy did good.
And for them to like, you know, it just go away actually.

(36:28):
And my here my other problem too, Dave Meltzer, right?
And I know we don't really talk about him and the and the stars
he gave. I think he gave that match like
a 2, two and three quarters stars 2.75 and he gave Tiffany
Stratton and Jade Cargill A4. Yeah.

(36:49):
I was like what were you watching?
Cena and Cody only got 5 stars. Like bro how does your star
system work? If this was in Tokyo does he get
a nine? Like I don't understand, I just
need to know. Dave Melcher's drunk all the
time. Allegedly, that's why we have

(37:10):
the best the the the warning don't.
Don't shoot a three count podcast.
Sue, Sue Lu, the franchise 'cause I'll say it.
Sue Lu Yeah, Yeah, that should be catch phrase.
Sue. There you go, Sulu.
Sulu. It's I just have rest made is

(37:32):
great. Damn, alright, you came with
some fire on that one. Alright, let's go.
On to push the Berry. Push and Berry.
Push and Berry alright, We're going to push something in
wrestling that needs to we need to be more of and then we're
going to bury some something that's got to get up out of

(37:52):
here. We don't need I'm going to start
this one off that's bury WWE unreal.
I'm going to get, I'm going to get that take off I'm going.
To get it off. I'm going to get it off like I'm
going to be, I'll be the young guy with the old man.
Take that. I I don't like it like Paul
Heyman hurt my heart and I understand that he has to say

(38:13):
what he has to say because he works for that company and I
understand where he's coming from.
But man, like best analogy for me is always you wouldn't go to
a magic show and ask the magician how the trick work.
That's just me and and I, I, I just, I stand by it.
I, I don't like the show. I don't, I don't care.

(38:35):
I'd rather spec. You're like, let's be to be
honest, I'd rather speculate in fantasy book than actually know
what they're thinking. No, I just that's just me and so
but it is like it is cool to seelike the wrestlers backstage
perspective like but you tellingme like the the the creative and
stuff like that and all. No, I can't do it.

(39:03):
I can't, no I and I really can't.
I really cannot. Like I've only watched 2
episodes and the first episode made me mad.
They over here explaining me howgorilla works.
Like, are you really giving me aa diagram of gorilla?
And I'm like, I know this already, but they're like, maybe
I didn't know this and I don't why does Grandma sue need to
know this? Like why?
Does anybody need to know this? Like what?

(39:27):
And then he said this is WWE's version of being Disney fied.
Disney fied. And I went we are here.
And then that, you know, I understand.
Like I said, I get where he where he coming from.
But I, yeah, I want to, I want to bury that.
I, I'll get through it, y'all. I'll probably get through it
when I find out seasons 2 coming.

(39:50):
And so yeah, I'm, I'm burying that one.
But I'm, I'm going to push, I'm going to, I'm going to push the
tag team of Alexa Bliss and Charlotte Flair.
I like the most tag. Puberty for you?
Anyway. I'm going to push.
I like them as A tag. Well, fucker hasn't shaved since

(40:14):
fucking 7th grade. Go ahead.
He's. Like I ain't going to finish
this man. Had a thought it was going to go

(40:34):
in this rain about how great Charlotte and Alexa are and I.
Right. I was like The One Show.
I'm not shitting on Charlotte. There you go.
Fine, go have fun. Push, Barry.
You already said push puberty, so go ahead Diggy.

(40:56):
Let me, let me, let me bury, yo,let me bury this unnecessary
hate for the AAA guys coming into WWE.
Like there's a whole different perspective of wrestling and
they have it and there's a lot of great characters that are
coming over and for so many people to be hatin on Mr. Iguana

(41:20):
and Psycho Clown is ridiculous to me.
It's just stupid man. Like y'all didn't do this to
like people that were coming up in the system, right?
I don't see y'all hating on Carmelo Hayes.
I don't see y'all hating on you know, Axiom or Dragon League.
You know, they get introduced byWWE, but because AAA gets bought
and they get brought over and they have a couple matches, you

(41:42):
all of a sudden you're going to start hating on I?
I think this, it's stupid, it's stupid.
Y'all need to chill, let that shit go.
I am going to push Dominic Mysterio though, because my God,
that guy gets some like crazy freaking reactions and I'm here
for it, man. I'm here for it.
I'm not here for him saying thathe's the best Mysterio, but I am

(42:05):
here for him saying he's the best Mysterio currently because
Ray's hurt. I like it though, man.
Like my man is a you know, when we saw him get into the business
back in 2020 and he got that asswhooping from Seth and buddy
Matthews with them. Keynes.

(42:27):
I remember like thinking to myself like, whoa, this is this
is crazy, right? And then to see him be the first
father son tag team champions with Ray was really cool.
And I was very appreciative seeing like the things he was
doing. And then like the crowd was
starting to kind of like kind ofturned against him.
And finally they just flipped the switch and went all in.

(42:47):
And I was here for it, man, I'm,I'm glad that we're getting, you
know, this Dom that's becoming abigger superstar.
You know, I, I think it's funny and I hope they keep running
with this 20 year veteran statusthat he keeps talking about
because I'm, I actually like that.
I like that he says that. But yeah, so yeah, big US man,

(43:11):
I, I really appreciate what's going on with Dominic right now.
And I just want to continue to like, you know, push that to the
moon all. Right.
What you got, Lou? So I was going to say Alexis,
Kate, Alexis King. I just don't like that guy.
I don't know why, but I just don't like the guy.

(43:32):
But I'm going to get on a serious note and I want to bury
health issues because we got a lot of wrestlers injured.
Like Jonathan Gresham had just had a health issue.
So I just, I just, I, I could feel for it because I'm going,
I'm going through it myself right now.
And then on the flip side, who do I want to push?

(43:52):
Jordan Grace as I fucking love her wrestling.
She sells you a picture. Yeah, you stole me a picture.
Cliff paid you the money. It didn't.
It didn't. Yeah.
So she was running this. It was a charity event back in
2020. If you paid like 5 bucks, you
would autograph a picture for you.

(44:14):
And I did. I paid it for, for Lou for his
birthday. And yeah, we never, we didn't,
we didn't get nothing for it. So, yeah.
So Jordan, if you watching this,if you're watching this, you
know, hopefully, you know, somebody thanked you for this
and stuff. But yeah, it was a long time

(44:34):
ago, but it is what it is. I mean so.
I'm happy where she's come from,you guys, you wrestled with her,
trained with her, and now she. We watched her.
I, I, we all popped when she popped up in a TNA and got her
chance and then the Warrior Rumble, just pop.

(44:55):
I popped so fucking hard. I was like, holy shit.
And yeah, so I'm just, I'm just really happy with her progress
and her career, and I just want to keep her giving her that
push. She deserves love, she's
definitely future women's champion.
And she's definitely. Going that she's definitely
going that belt before she gets called up.

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Before we move into topic, what do you call topic 2?
I want to get in, give a shout out and let you all know.
August 23rd, All right down in Shady Grove, PA, our partner SWA
1 mountain to climb. All right.
So definitely when you if you'rein the Shady Grove, PA area, be
on the lookout there. Definitely come on by yours

(45:38):
truly will be there defending his tag team championship, the
greatest SWA tag team champions in the history of that dreaded
company. And Oh yeah, they treat me.
They they treat me with disrespect.
OK. And I had to take the belts
back. Like they think I forgot.
They thought I forgot and I didn't forget.

(45:58):
And that's why me and my *** aregoing to take over.
And that's a quote. We just right?
Yeah, well, it's total, total fairness.
I will also be at SWA competing in a championship and a #1
contenders championship against Kurt Blair, the man who's cost
me. This man cost me opportunities

(46:22):
numerous times and it's time to fucking find finally paid a
piper. Yeah, You know, that's how y'all
got your win at the last show was because Kurt like was just
like, hey. Man, I don't do that.
I had. You did the right regardless.
First of all. I had.
You did the right. He's gone.
This man went out here. Nah, I just did.
This man went out here and was AI had.

(46:42):
We had. We saw my.
Ken, my Ken Kick, he's like. Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck.
I'll check. Whatever they say in the Street
Fighter. And he hit me in the face and I
turned right into you and then you hit me with your fucking
Diamond Cutter and yes. Call the stringer's bell a
diamond cutter. I you bet I just did.
You're a disrespect and that's why you ain't never go with a

(47:04):
belt. It's SWA.
There you go, It's the Charles Cutter.
There you go. There you go.
See, I'm like. That's, I mean I could have
called it. My big mouth.
It's about my big mouth. CKO, whatever.
Diamond cutter disrespect the wire like that so.

(47:25):
Called Mary Kayo. Greatest TV show to ever be
produced I. Mean.
Anyway. Yeah, so I will be there too
talking. About next.
We talking OK Topic 2 Wrestling Renaissance.
Oh, yeah, That thing, Yeah. Yeah.
So look, it's been said numeroustimes.

(47:46):
I know I've said it. I know Cliff said it that we're
in a in a renaissance area over it, kind of like now we're like
we're dead center in the middle of it now in a renaissance, a
wrestling renaissance. Wrestling is probably as more
popular than it's ever been since the 90s as we see with WB
being on Netflix. They are being in a partnership

(48:10):
with ESPNI mean they're just making billion dollar deals
after billion dollar deals just so yeah.
What started this boom is the arrival of AW.
Is it the start of AW, the firstlike actual competition to WE
since WCW? Was it Roman Reigns coming back

(48:31):
in 2020 becoming a heel in the Tribal Chief?
Is it the Bloodline? Is it Cody?
What do you guys think? What was the start point?
If we go back into history booksand wrestling, what was the
start point of this Renaissance?Starts with off you Cliff.
You know, I kind of want to say the start was with AW, because

(48:55):
we we were at a period where like a lot of people, a lot of
fans passions. I now, I'll be fair, a lot of
fans passions were being sucked right out of them.
You know, before I ever started,we started this podcast.
Remember we were a part of the Frankensteiner's Frank Frank
culture presents Frankensteiner like we were on that show,

(49:18):
right? And shout outs to to big Steve
for letting us come through and do our thing with Marty.
But yeah, and Julie told us likethat was a reason why she got
out of wrestling was because WWEwas just like doing lame story
after lame story and it was justdragging on.

(49:38):
And there was just things they they just knew that they had the
circle 1 so they didn't have to do anything.
So when AW came through and kindof pushed through and got their
their deal done, they had their opening press conference in, you
know, outside of Jacksonville's,you know, the Jaguars stadium, a

(49:59):
lot of things changed. Like we started seeing it like
at first they were kind of like,whatever, they'll they won't be
around very long. But then also like things
started happening and like FTR left and came over to AW.
Moxley would had showed up, right?
Jericho was there like all thesedudes were coming and like,
like, oh shit, like here we go. We got some something happening

(50:20):
here and I think it kind of let us know that like here we go
again and then AW started doing like they started attacking WWE
like you know, like you would expect them to now.
It's kind of being overused now,but I mean WWE had to step their
game up and so all of a sudden all the things we wanted to
happen happened right like all of a sudden, like here Roman

(50:43):
Reigns goes away from WrestleMania for six months or
like four or five months. He comes back, you know, during
the right after the right, it was a summer slam.
He came back and he attacked Braun Strowman in The Fiend.
And then we saw the Tribal Chiefwas born.
And then the bloodline happens and all this stuff takes off
like, yeah. And then, you know, when fans

(51:05):
got back, they're like, oh, I forgot how cool wrestling was.
And then they just we started getting more stuff out of it.
So yeah, I definitely think, I definitely think it was the,
the, the birth of AEW is what helps spurn this new, this new
renaissance. Would you have?
I think it's been like a three-year trickle where things

(51:29):
happen with WWE being bought by TKO and getting all that stuff
and then separating from Vince and then because of that allowed
these wrestlers to have a littlebit more freedom.
That allowed creative team to have a little bit more freedom
and not everything have to go through Vince.
I think now that that that all came out and people seeing a

(51:54):
little bit more freedom now wrestling's cool again, yeah.
I think it's yeah, I gotta go. I think it's AWI think it's the
birth of AW because if we you got to go back and look and put
yourself in that time period andwhere wrestling was where we

(52:16):
were still getting big Dog Roman.
He was tied to the OR the bear with the post with dog food.
So let's not forget that. That was legitimately, I think
2019, I think or 20/20/19 in theend of 2019.

(52:37):
That's what they were. We were doing on Smackdown with
Baron Court with King Corbin andI think, I don't remember who
else, but yeah. So I do think it would.
I think, I think it's WWE and I could be wrong.
Maybe it's 2019. I think that's what it is.
I don't know. But anyway, I don't think AW was
around then, whatever. But point being, I do think it's
the start of AWI think it's that2018-2019 rise of AW.

(53:02):
Honestly, you can go back to when the 1st all in really.
You can really go back. I think it's really all in and
because if there was no all in, we don't get AW That's that's
that's that's one, you know, Canon event, right?

(53:25):
Like all all all in has to happen in Chicago.
Like they have to sell out that building, you know, by
themselves in order for AW to beeven a thing because who would
have thought at that time periodthat there was that many people

(53:45):
wanting to see professional wrestling not with the WWE name
behind it. Yeah, that's right.
I and if you in like if in you also got to think about that.
Some of the names that were on that all in that All in card you
had Rim Steer was on that card, Panthers on that card, MJ FS on
that card. Cody, that was.
Cody won the N.W.A belt. The N.W.A world from General

(54:11):
Manager Smack Yeah, and Smackdown general Manager and
they called. This he beat the Smackdown
general manager for the N.W.A World Heavyweight Championship.
Like that was that show. So I think if you look at it, I
think it's boom. It's when all in happens and
they sell out that building. I'm just looking, I'm just

(54:35):
looking at it right. And you know, the first pre show
match was So Cal SoCal uncensored versus the Briscoes.
At all in. At all in the very first one.
Yeah. Just looking at some of the
stuff, Matt Cross defeats MJF Christopher Daniels.

(54:55):
Stephen. ML Yeah, yeah, Stephen Amel
defeats Stephen Amel. OK.
But that match, that was like green arrows back in the ring.
Guess what? That show prompts Stephen Amel
to do his show. Heels.
Heels. Yeah, yeah.
So the one who I. Think that is.
I think that's the one that all.The one who shall not be named

(55:17):
defeats Dr. Britt Baker, ChelseaGreen and Madison Rain.
Like, yeah, yeah, I mean, who? Who was it wasn't ROH that put
up the money? For this, this shall not be
named. Blanchard.
Oh, Tessa. Yeah.
Because I was thinking, I was like, wait a minute, who was in
that match that we don't like? I was like, wait a minute.
I was like Brit. Who was in the Brit Brit?

(55:40):
Oh, that's right, Tessa. No crazy Kenny, Kenny defeating
Penta and then I. Remember that match?
And then Jericho showed up, Remember.
Yep. Because they were.
Because they were wrestling in. Okada versus scroll?
Yep, that's I, I. I remember, I can tell.
I remember that show very vividly.

(56:01):
But yeah, man, that's that's that's the catalyst.
That's where the rise of of pro wrestling really happens again,
is that show, Because then that gives us AW.
And then that's really when shithits the fan, as Justin Roberts
says. So yeah, I think that's the

(56:21):
yeah, that's that's the right. They're all in.
And it was that 2018, correct? Yeah.
Yeah, Yep. September 1st, 2018.
Wow. And remember, actually, I'll,
I'll, if you, if you want to putit there, I'll take it.
I'll take it One step back, right.
Wasn't it Dave Meltzer that saidthat they couldn't sell out the

(56:42):
the Sears, the Sears Center? And they did they like
legitimately he's like, hey, no,you guys won't be able to do
that. And they're like bet.
And so they did it and the Searsand the Sears Center was like,
you can do it here. And then they opened up.
That's why. That's why All In is always in
Chicago. It's because of that.

(57:04):
And then they got a little plaque on the building too.
Yep, they got a plaque on the building for that.
But yeah, I think that I I just 'cause I 'cause like you just
think about it like if this stuff if aid if all in doesn't
happen, if you don't have mixture of everybody else, like
the rest of the wrestling world doing their own show, which is

(57:26):
essentially what Forbidden Door is supposed to be in a sense,
right? If we don't have that, we don't
get any of this else. Like let's think WE starts
acknowledging TNA, right? That right after they start
acknowledging TNA, they start acknowledging that there's other
places like I all in, it's in. And crazy enough, we as much as

(57:47):
we rag on the Young Bucks and we, we rag on Kenny and the
Elite, but no man, they, they give, they need more props than
what they they're given. Well, and remember too, WE
messed up with acknowledging TNAbecause remember, damn I I'm

(58:07):
trying to blink Women's champ atthe time.
Mickey James. Mickey yeah, remember that?
They asked her to come to a spotand she was like, yo, I meant
TNA, I'm their women's champion.And then WWE was like, OK, and
and then they brought her and they let her run.
Yeah, with the knockout title, Like she was the first person to

(58:30):
show up, you know? So I was like, that's when
that's when we started seeing kind of like, yeah, that was 20
two. I was like, there was fans so.
Yeah, I think it was 22. So that'd be 22 then?
Yeah. And then we were.
Back in we were back, yeah, 22. So yeah.
Then VKM gets gets pushed out like Anthony was talking about.

(58:53):
And then like also there's more partnerships, right?
Because AW had that partnership with TNA as well.
You know, they had that partnership with TNA, they had
that partnership with AAA, they had the, you know, that
partnership with New Japan. Yep.
Now we're starting to see that like all that kind of change,
right? They go back to the E.
You know AAA gets by, you know the TNA.
And you also look at the summer,the Super summer, right?

(59:15):
Yep, he won When when punk comesback like that changed the game.
Like we thought he'd never do that like and then what do WV
counter? You know, they counter back with
Bad Bunny and Logan Paul, like, and they go out of the country
and they're putting on banger matches with these insane

(59:36):
crowds. Like, yeah, it's AW did like the
formation. AW forced WWE to step their game
up. Absolutely.
But in order to get there, you got to have all in.
Yeah. Got to have all in so I think
I'm I'll stick with that one. Let me stick with all that I.

(59:57):
Like that too? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I think I think one thing too,
like I, I I'll throw in there too with with like, AW like
forming too. It was remember, like Vince was
just he thought it was a piss Ant company and that's what made
fans want to go see what he's talking about and the induction

(01:00:18):
of DX with Billy Gunby in there.And they mentioned all in, you
know, they mentioned all these things that like, you know,
spurn interest. So yeah, I, I, I think think
there was a lot of mistakes madeon West VS part about talking
about AW and punched them down. Reaction in in a sense it's

(01:00:40):
like, so like the chemical just you put so much concoction,
they're not. They're all about blood and guts
now, so that's a match in AW like there was a lot of misfires
on WW ES part that help keep pushing WWE further.
You know, and I think also having someone like Roman Reigns

(01:01:02):
right as kind of like the face of the franchise.
He said it like in a ESPN take that I only signed billion
dollar deals. And when you look back, man,
you're like, Dang, like they really put the company like John
Cena took this company up, you know, through the Cena era.
And then when Roman got the ballhanded to him, yeah, it went up

(01:01:24):
and then the Bloodline became a thing.
I mean, I don't like Shane McMahon had a pair of JS made
for him for WrestleMania 30, butthey were never like mass
produced. It was just Shane McMahon has
the the Jordan 30s. I think there was like
WrestleMania, whatever, but Roman Reigns had a whole shoe

(01:01:46):
line made. Like there was a Bloodline shoes
that were about to be dropped and then they tanks them really
quick. And then we see, we find out
here that Roman Reigns is the only professional wrestler
signed with the Jordan brand like.
Yeah. Crazy.
Insane, right? And insane the thing.

(01:02:07):
Only billion dollar deals, everything.
That's crazy to me dude. All right, let's talk about it.
Cliff, you're chomping at the bit.
I know, I know, I know. Found dog down.
All right, let's get to our lasttopic, the WWEESPN deal growth
or are they pricing out their fans?

(01:02:28):
So the new deal could mean more exposure.
Offer it because ESPN the robot leader in sports, right?
But there is a cost to watching the pay per views.
There's it's it's an app, there's a subscription based.
Is it worth it starting off withyou, Lou?

(01:02:49):
You look angry. I'm indifferent about it because
it's like it's like it's like politics.
Vote for this guy or vote for this guy.
It doesn't fucking matter who who's the president of the time
because I'm going to I'm going to pay the gas prices or the
milk prices to feed my family WWE.

(01:03:14):
I'm I like Netflix great, it's free or or family plan or
whatever that you have, but I'llprobably I'll probably have to
pay for ESPN because I want to watch wrestling.
I want to watch www.wb is is poppin.

(01:03:35):
And so I've been different aboutit really like I just don't
know. I guess the only thing I'm going
to sit back and watch, see what happens.
That's fair, that's fair. You want to go for.
You want to go because you already know, like I.
I know. Yeah, yeah, I'll go.

(01:03:55):
I so I look at it like this, right?
All the majority of people. So there's a lot of people when
they people don't, a lot of people don't read.
That's that's number one where the outrage comes in.
People don't read. And also they also didn't
explain this when they drop the news, they didn't explain it all

(01:04:16):
that great. So if you already have ESPN,
like let's just say you, you don't have like cable DIRECTV or
something like that. If you have ESPN, you all you
don't have to pay the $30 every month.
You already you just log in withyour credentials and you can
watch right the all the stuff that's on there.

(01:04:36):
This this this ad, this subscription.
So that's the number one now. So if you like and most people,
if you and like a lot of people have gotten rid of cable.
So there are like, I know, like I know FUBU TVI know that's
there on there. I know I think YouTube TV isn't.
So if you have YouTube TV, sorry, but but for the most

(01:04:58):
part, a lot of people already have have access to ESPN.
Now ESPN Plus is a whole separate thing.
There's a lot of ESPN Plus. Nope, that's another separate
thing. But a lot of people already have
ESPN and all you gotta do is login.
And I kind of like gotta go likewith what Lou says.
If you want to watch the show, you are going to watch.

(01:05:21):
The show. Whether you really pay the $30
or not, like I'm like, let's just keep it a bean.
Let's keep, let's, let's keep ita bean.
Like you're going to watch the show.
There aren't like, is this goingto change the way like the
pirate network works? No, they thought that Peacock

(01:05:47):
would, would, would do that. And I can still go on
watchwrestling.org and watch Rawor watch Smackdown or
pay-per-view if I need to. Like it's I it's like, it's one
of those things where it's like,this is fake outrage.
Because at the end of the day, Ipromise you this Nick Con is
right. A lot of their audience is going

(01:06:08):
to pay the $30. And if they already don't have
ESPN, it's going to happen. Like, let's just be real here.
Like, yeah, when you get Peacock, like you're getting,
you know, the, the, the library and, you know, you got other
stuff. But if you have ESPN, you're

(01:06:31):
going to look for sports, you'relooking for sports.
You're going to look at you're going to watch wrestling, right.
But oh, I like sports. I'm going to watch the other
sports stuff that's on there. That's the app for it.
So I, I don't think it's all that hoopla, is it?
I just think, hey, it's just another subscription.
Like it is what it is. Like I'm canceling Peacock now
because I don't need it. Most people only had Peacock was

(01:06:54):
for the network. Yeah, and my wife found The Real
Housewives of Whatever on it andnow I have to keep Peacock so
that she can watch that and LoveIsland or whatever other dumb
shows on there too. My problem is, is that and I get
it right. Let me be fair.
Let me be fair when I say this. WWE is a hot commodity.
It really is, right? Like everybody wants to get

(01:07:15):
their hands on it because they understand that their audience
is super dedicated to them. They really are, right?
So you're going to pay 999 to gowatch it on Peacock, You're
going to pay 2499 without ad or to get those ads off for Netflix
because you don't want to watch the ads because you know some

(01:07:37):
shit happens in between where Xavier Woods is cutting a promo
and you don't get to watch it because guess what?
You got ads on on Netflix, right?
So you're going to pay for the ads, ads free version.
You're going to get Hulu TV so that you can watch Smackdown,
right? There's another service you got
to pay for. You're going to pay for YouTube
TV so you can watch The CW and you can watch Fox and you can or

(01:08:02):
USA. So you can watch both Smackdown
and and NAC. So you're already paying in.
There's $99.00 for the YouTube TVI know that because I got
really. So they offered me a plan at $84
a month. That's still crazy though, $84 a
month for that, right? But even if you don't get.
I I remember when YouTube TV was$60.00.

(01:08:24):
Just yeah. So here's so we watch a Hulu TV,
but we watch a Hulu, right? Hulu is what, probably 5050
sixty dollars right that you're watching a month without ads
right, So it's just it's 999 here, fucking $25.00 there, $40

(01:08:46):
here. Now you're paying another 30 for
ESPN and Nick said it right, you're gonna pay it.
They know it 'cause you're gonnapay it right.
They they sign and we were just joking about what Roman right.
They sign billion dollar deals. OK, that billion dollars, hey
man, that company that just paida billion dollars wants to

(01:09:08):
recoup it's money and they thinkthat if they spent $10, which
most people are not going to come out of, they're not going
to go crazy out of 10 bucks. They just not going to, right?
We kind of used to it with the Peacock network.
It's cool we going to do it. That $30 outrage though, man.
And the thing was I remember like I'm one of those myself,

(01:09:28):
Damien Twitch, I'm sure Chad, you know, Lou, I know remembers
pay reviews were like $60.00, bro.
And we were dropping $60.00 monthly to get that.
Oh no, my Mama wouldn't let me. But I'm just saying that.
Like I got one my Mama paid 1 WrestleMania 1/1.

(01:09:49):
We would do that monthly and that now you got UFC doing it at
80 bucks every two weeks and it's like I'm paying $160.00 a
month to watch some fights because.
Again, it goes back to it goes back to, you know, UFC with TKO
having a hot commodity, hot product at the moment, right and
like. UFC paid $80. $80.00 for

(01:10:12):
pay-per-view. What I didn't know I don't
watch, I don't watch UFC like that.
So I. Don't and if you and it
especially, but let's say you get a big, big name guy like
like let's just say John Jones or I don't know, Conor McGregor
comes the card that's now becomes $100 card.
You know what I mean? Like easy.
Yeah, I I never knew. I never knew.

(01:10:33):
That's how that worked. But it goes back to my point
being, though, is that when you look at the the cost of
everything, right? Just to be a wrestling fan right
now, OK, we'd like you said 999 with a Peacock, $25.00 with
Netflix, $60.00 with Hulu TV. And I'm only, I'm only on the
low ball part because some of you all out there probably got
like a premium, you know, cable and you got like all the

(01:10:57):
channels. I need all your logins.
Yeah, you got probably like 120 channels, you know, and you
probably watched like 6-4. But, but, but my point being
that you're paying all this money for it, right?
So let's just, let's, let's evenjust say you paid $100 a month
for cable. You're at 125-1135.

(01:11:18):
Now you're going to go 165 just for, you know, that's before
taxes. So you owe 165 like a month.
Yeah. So now we're talking about you
and now, and that's only for thePL.
ES. It's not like you're getting any
extra content. You're only getting the PL.
ES off of that, you know, So youdon't.
Like you don't. You're not getting the other

(01:11:40):
stuff that's going to be on there.
Well, as far as I well, that's why I was that's why I was
confused with too, man, because it was like they said that the
WWE was just having to PL. ES on ESPN so someone else can
look that up. They could be like go, actually,
it's this and other stuff. But as far as I saw was the PL.
ES just the PL. ES like and even what was crazy

(01:12:02):
was my ear caught this the otherday was they didn't even say it
was going to be all the PL. ES.
They said most of the PL. ES and they might have misspoke.
They might have misspoke, but nonetheless, like that's the
thing though. So yeah, I'm still like, my
point being though, it's $185 like duh, Like, and then you

(01:12:22):
want me to come to the shows, right?
And the shows alone, right? If we talk about Nosebleed
seats, depending on what show wetalk about, whether it's Raw or
Smackdown or maybe we want to watch NAC, or maybe it's just a
house show that they barely run in anymore, right?
We talking 8080 bucks, right? Nosebleed seats, we don't even
talk about going onto the floor,which can be anywhere over like

(01:12:44):
5 to $600 a ticket. Like, yo, it is getting so
expensive to become. How do I want to put this a
mainstream wrestling fan? It is what it is.
And then let's just say like, let's just say you're that's
only on the WWE side. We're not even talking about

(01:13:04):
Ring of Honor. We're not talking about TNATN
A+, we're not talking about ATW with HBO Max, right?
We're not talking about those stuff and some of them, right?
HBO, like if you have, if you'repaying for those premium
channels, right, the one of those sixes that you're probably
watching is TNT and TBS. So that way you can watch
Dynamite and Collision. If not, you're like me, I'm

(01:13:27):
paying for HBO Max so I can watch, I can watch a lot of
other movies, but I'm also watching you know, I'm watching
Dynamite and I'm watching Collision on it.
It's just it is becoming so expensive to be a wrestling fan.
Not even the NFL cost like this bro, not even NFL.
Like I pay 480 for DIRECTV for what was it the Sunday Sunday

(01:13:53):
game day ticket 480 for the year.
And I get like fuck all the games, all the games I want to
watch, but then I can watch themon 4 screens like all at the
same time like what we talk about.
You know what I mean? Like that's it's a crazy money,
but I can pay that or I can pay 999.

(01:14:14):
Was it 100 bucks, 100 bucks for the football season and I can
watch all the out of marquee games, which fortunate for me
because I live in New England and I'm a Broncos fan.
I can watch the Broncos, I can watch the Broncos play.
But like that's my point though,like y'all making it so

(01:14:34):
expensive to be a wrestling fan and when when the the juggernaut
of sports, right, let's just call it what it is, the NFL.
They don't cost that much and I get it.
They have a bigger fan base obviously, and you don't have to
charge so much. They still charge an, an
enormous amount of money to be afootball fan.
But like, and I, I know a lot ofpeople would be like, well, you

(01:14:56):
know, you, you kind of have to like pick and choose what you
want to be. Why, why should I have to pick
and choose like I want to be a wrestling fan.
I'm going to be a wrestling fan.But like Nick Con says, I'm
going to pay the $30.00 so I canwatch or I'm going to find a way
to watch it and I don't have to pay for any of it at all and go
get AVPN and I can go stream it on Netflix in another country.
Like, I don't know, man. It's just, it's, it's ridiculous

(01:15:19):
that I have to pay so much moneyjust just for US, just for the
US, like because they're not doing this in Europe, right?
Let's keep it a buck, right? If I'm in Germany or I'm in
France or I'm in, I don't know, Italy, I pay for Netflix and I

(01:15:41):
get Raw, Smackdown, NXT, all thePL.
ES, the library, Unreal, Evolve,I get all of that.
But because I'm an American citizen and don't and and a lot
of and I've already seen this comment before, all the
Americans are crying again. Yeah, because we live in this
country where we royally get we royally get smoked.

(01:16:06):
We have to make we, we make all these decisions when we should
be having somebody watching our back as a consumer to say, hey,
listen, WWE, this is your package.
You are here with these guys. And I get it.
We live in a free enterprise andyou can, you know, the
capitalist society and you can do whatever it is you want to do
and make your money. But I'm like, God damn, bro,

(01:16:28):
like I can just go buy AVPN and go over to Italy and then just
watch the show there and pay formy Netflix, my Netflix and the
VPN. I'm good.
I just, it's, it's, it's crazy like that's this is where I'm at
on my soapbox right now. Man, it is so much money just to
be a wrestling fan in the USA, the place that made sports

(01:16:52):
entertainment happen. I got to pay the most money.
It's. Expensive to be an American.
It's expensive. Hey, man.
Yeah, Oh my God, bro, it's ridiculous.
Prices go up, my wages stay the same.
I don't understand. That's why.
That's why I'm on the clock. I poop twice at twice a shift.

(01:17:16):
You ain't even got to work no more.
Insane. Insane.
On that note, shout out to all of you who.
Are you want me to go buy merch?You want me to buy Carrion
Cross's T-shirt? I got to pay $210.00 a month to
be a wrestling fan and you're going to give me one code a

(01:17:39):
month during a PLE that says I get 30% off of a T-shirt that
was already going to be on its way out?
You weren't even going to keep it?
Hell, man. Yeah.
Sorry, tell us how you really feel.

(01:18:03):
Oh man. No, no, no, no, no.
Never mind, never mind, never mind.
Make sure you check. Out.
We ain't getting that far. Yeah.
Thank you. Mute this man.
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