February 12, 2025 • 44 mins
This episode delves into the intricacies of college football playoff selection, exploring the biases and controversies surrounding the committee's choices. We tackle the questions of fairness and whether the current system effectively identifies the best teams while discussing the potential need for reform in the ranking process.
• Examination of the inception and evolution of the College Football Playoff
• Discussion of controversial selections, including Cincinnati and TCU
• Analysis of Alabama vs. Florida State debate regarding deserving versus best teams
• Consideration of ranking systems: preseason vs. power rankings
• Suggestions on improving the current playoff selection method
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I am d turnip seed and ontoday's episode, we talking the
college football playoff.
We talking the college footballplayoff.
Was it a success?
Did they pick the right teams?
What changes can be made?
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I'm going to break all thatdown.
Like always, I keep it real, Ikeep it authentic and I'm always
in context.
Let's jump in.
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All right, everybody.
Today we're going to talk alittle college football playoff
committee and I got a littlehelp from my man t, so t what's
up?
Well, how you doing, man yo yohow are you?
another day, another dollar.
That's what I tell myself, atleast.
But anyway, let's, let's jumpinto this game.
So the playoff committee itcame what?
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Uh?
2014, when they first announcedwe're gonna leave the bcs and
we're going to a 14 playoff,what did you think?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I mean, I thought it was crazy.
Then I said there was nothingwrong with the bcs.
The bcs had it right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You can't argue computers can't argue science
yeah, there's no way you believethat like come on that.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
That's what I thought in 2014 okay okay, now again,
again.
It was didn't alabama and osubreak that?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I think the system there well, yeah, because they
had the whole rematch and peoplegot upset like, well, how are
they gonna play again?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
yeah, so alabama and osu broke that system.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I would say so.
I guess, when this whole thingcame into existence, I never
understood why it was four whenat the time there were five
power conferences.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
That didn't make sense.
People were so adverse tochange.
Throw too many teams out thereand scare everybody off.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
They should have started with six.
You start with six.
That way you can have all thepower fives in and then you got
one at large team.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Six, eight, something that made sense.
Four in that giveninfrastructure didn't really
make sense at the time.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
From about 2014 to 2020, I believe the committee
had it pretty easy.
All your mainstays were thereyour, your Georgia's, your
Michigan's, your Clemson,alabama.
But in 2021 they vote inCincinnati, a group of five.
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They put them in over NotreDame a 10-2 Ohio State and a
11-2 Baylor who won the Big 12.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I think that was the most controversial thing the
committee had done up until thatpoint.
But I think everybody was kindof the consensus on the top
three teams that year withAlabama, georgia and Michigan I
mean so I think a four spot.
I think everybody kind of knewit was still going to boil down
to either Alabama, georgia orMichigan that year.
So they felt like I don't know,I don't like to think the
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committee plays to both sides,but they felt like, oh, we could
give one of the group of fivehere and still know that it's
not going to matter in the grandscheme of things.
And still know that it's notgoing to matter in the grand
scheme of things.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So the outcry wasn't going to overshadow the end
result.
I mean, I can see where you'recoming from on that I can.
I just don't or didn't feellike they should have been there
.
I mean, if you look at who OhioState played, Baylor goes 11-2
and win their conference youcan't tell me that cincinnati
played they won their conferenceyes, they won their conference,
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cincinnati.
They did beat notre dame.
So if you want to put the manover notre dame, that's fine,
that's fine.
I ain't got no problem withthat, because you know Notre
Dame doesn't have a conference,which is a whole other story.
But you got 10-2 Ohio State,11-2 Baylor.
Come on, man.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, I mean they went into Notre Dame, won at
Notre Dame that year.
That was obviously a big win.
You know, other than thatthere's nothing else that really
jumps off the page.
But you know they play alabamaand they they don't get blown
out but they lose by 21.
I don't, I didn't hate it.
I guess I was just moreindifferent to that pick at the
fourth spot.
Yeah, maybe, uh, ohio state ora baylor gets a better game, but
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I mean alabama was playingtheir best football at the end
of the year that yearunfortunately that's true.
I can't stand Bama well, georgiawas playing their best ball too
, after after losing the SECchampionship look I have.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I don't like Bama or Georgia.
I'm, you know, I'm an Auburnguy.
No secret, I'm an Auburn guy,you know.
When Bama and Georgia played inthe national championship, I
wish I could have blew thestadium up like Bane did in
Batman.
Nobody wins.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Game's over.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
But I was for sure, pulling for Georgia.
I loved every moment, everymoment Loved it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, they were at that point with Kirby.
You just had to kind of pullfor him right To go in there and
beat Saban after losing allthose games.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
What you just said sounds very noble, but for me, I
just didn't want to hear theBama fans brag.
I was tired Like I was tired ofit.
They were on my last nerves.
I was tired Like I'm.
I was tired of it Like theywere on my last nerves.
I just please no.
As an Auburn fan, you walkaround and you mind your own
business doing football season,you cool, and this random person
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come up to you Road dot.
Hey, bro bro.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I'm just trying to.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I'm just, I'm just picking up eggs, man Like chill
out.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, you can't even go to the store wearing
your stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's all I'm saying , man.
That's all I'm saying.
So Georgia wins.
They quiet.
I'm good, I can go get my eggsin peace.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah yeah, that was a fan base.
That doesn't really.
I don't know if it's just gonnasay that, like, obviously we
don't live in georgia, but youknow we don't.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
We don't hear a lot of noise out, out and about
right now what I have heard istheir fans like, like to bark at
you, which is look man, that'sweird, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Like I ain't fixing to bark at a grown man exactly
and I'm definitely not wearingshoulder pads with spikes to a
football game to paint myself.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But I mean, it's their thing she's signing for
the wwe man yeah, geez so thenext season they vote in tcu,
and this one was a little littletricky as well, because TCU
gets in over a 10-2 Bama, over a10-2 Tennessee and over an 11-1
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Clemson who won the ACC andthis one was.
I think people were upset aboutTCU getting in because they
lost the conference championshipto Kansas State.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Again.
It was like one of those thingslike you lose the conference
but I mean you go in and youbeat Michigan in the first round
matchup game.
I mean everybody knows how thenational championship game ended
up getting boat raced byGeorgia.
But I mean they did beatMichigan in the playoffs and
that was the biggest shock to mebecause they controlled that
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game against Michigan.
They scored at will, theyscored 51 points in that game
and then they scored sevenagainst Georgia.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Smell you.
Georgia was out of there.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
That game was over in the first three minutes.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
And everybody knew it .
All right, change the channel.
I do agree with you.
I don't think that one wasreally the wrong selection.
They lost one game up untilthat point.
Yeah, they went undefeated.
You win all your games.
You lose in the conferencechampionship.
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I think they got that one right.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Look, listen to this resume.
Went beat number 18 Oklahoma.
Number 19 Kansas.
Number 8 Oklahoma State.
Number 17 Kansas State.
Number 18 Texas.
Lose the Big 12 championshipgame.
Okay, but then they beat numbertwo michigan amen I mean that's
, that's a good resume now again.
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Most deserving, best team.
I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
They go in there and they beat michigan look, bama
fans gonna come looking for youbecause I don't disagree, I that
resume is very good, it's very,very good.
But they were heated, that fanbase was upset, but the
committee got it correct, theygot it correct.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Alabama fan base was upset with Taylor DeBoer for
wearing a t-shirt at Vanderbilt.
They're going to be upset.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Look the amount of Alabama fans that wanted him to
dress like Saban.
I'm like man.
Saban got them stiff.
Khakis on shirt, all tucked in.
He looked uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
He picked up his golf polos at the draft.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Now the following season.
This is the good one right here.
I got to hear this thecommittee decides to put in
Alabama.
Alabama wins the SEC and theyput in Alabama over a undefeated
Florida State team.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I thought the committee had balls.
I didn't think they would dothat.
Alabama was the best team.
I was not going to be surprisedat all if they put Florida
State in.
Florida State, rightfully, hadearned a spot in the playoffs.
They would have gotten boatrace by anybody.
They would have played.
Michigan would have beat themby 60.
Heck.
Georgia beat them by 60different circumstances in their
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bowl game but that was just notthe same Florida State team
after injury.
But I just didn't think thatwas the balliest committee to
date.
And again it seems like Alabamakind of breaks the committee
and we go to 12 teams after thatright.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
But Alabama was playing really good football.
On paper it was the better teammatchup-wise.
I just they did the right thing.
People hate it, but you got toput the four best teams in.
I know again deserving best.
Alabama was a better team thanFlorida State.
You can look at that productthey put on the field and say I
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hate that argument.
Same thing with this year withAlabama playing Michigan in the
whatever that bowl game wasRelia Quest Bowl.
You can't be like see Alabamadidn't get in.
I mean, it's just a differentmatchup, a different game.
When you're not playing for anational championship and you're
just going down there onvacation oh and, by the way,
we're going to play a footballgame you're not playing for a
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national championship and you'rejust going down there on
vacation oh and, by the way,we're gonna play a football game
.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I hear you, I hear you.
I just look.
For me it's simple if alabamagoes undefeated and lose their
starter and second string andstill wins with their third
string, they're getting in like.
I felt like florida state gotshafted on that one.
It's very hard.
To win.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
With your backup quarterback it's even more
difficult to win with your thirdstring quarterback say what
yeah, I said, let alone yourthird string, yeah exactly, let
alone your third string.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And they did that.
I'm not.
I don't think you should punish, and yes, I'm going to say
punish because that's what thedude from the committee said.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Let's punish me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
They don't have that starting quarterback.
They ain't the same team sothey couldn't get in.
So you're going to punish thewhole team because one dude
unfortunately got hurt.
It's a win-loss business.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's unfortunate, and I think too it's it's
unfortunate and I think I thinktoo it's a different.
It's different to win the accthan to win the sec with one
loss.
I think that played a big partin in it.
And again, at the end of theyear, who's playing the best
football?
I mean we.
We can look at this year's andI'm sure we're about to get to
it.
We can look at this year'sfootball season and nobody had
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notre dame and ohio stateplaying the best football going
in, going into the postseason,and those are the two teams that
rose to the top.
So you got to play your bestfootball at the end of the year.
And florida state was reelingand alabama was.
They went in and knocked offgeorgia, trying to win their
third straight nationalchampionship, having lost a game
at the end of the season.
So that's a really big win onpaper.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
That's a good point.
That's a good point, I'm withthat.
I just for me power of our teamgoals undefeated.
They got to get in.
They got to get in.
Was Bama playing their bestball at that time?
Yeah, they were, I give themthat.
But Florida State wasundefeated.
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Let's move towards that bestversus most deserving.
And if you're the committeewhen it comes down to best and
most deserving, which way areyou leaning?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well, when I'm the committee, I do what I've done
every single year and I've just,for lack of better terms, moved
the goalposts to fit whatevercriteria that they could make
that narrative work.
They've done it every singleyear.
They did it with a candidatewho was in TCU and the two teams
decided they were going toshare a conference championship.
They left them both out andsaid, hey, well, you know, we
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want a conference champion.
Well, the next year they said,oh well, you got to be the best
team.
And then this year they saidwell, you got to have a starting
quarterback.
The committee's going to dowhatever they want to do to make
their argument that they'renarrative, which is fine.
That's human bias, right.
If you're going to make adecision, you're going to have a
reason for a decision, but itgoes back to 2014.
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Hey, the BCS was.
You know we can get mad, butthey were usually pretty.
The BCS was pretty good informulating best teams.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Okay.
So the committee claims theyhave a criteria.
This is how they define howthey make their selections.
They rank the teams based onthe members' evaluation of the
team's performance on the field,using conference championships.
Won strength of schedule,head-to-head results and
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comparison of results againstcommon opponents to decide among
teams that are comparable.
That's how they rank teams.
Now I just read that to you andit's still kind of hard for me
to figure out what the criteriais.
I get the head-to-head, I getthe strength of schedule part,
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like using conferencechampionships.
If one team won the SEC, oneteam wins the SEC.
You're going to give it to theSEC, I guess based on the level
of competition.
It's a better brand.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
It's a better brand.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Oh, so it's money, got it, got it.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Well, no, the SEC is a better conference, it's a more
you and the SEC, you're a.
You should be a better teamthan the team that wins the ACC.
Case in point, the number twoSEC, the team that lost in the
SEC championship, beat the ACCchampion.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Okay, because, like I ain't going to lie, there are
times where I'm like is the SECreally the best, or is it just
the machine telling us they'rethe best?
They are with ESPN.
Now.
What does ESPN call themselvesthe worldwide leader?
Okay, so they can push certainnarratives and be like, well,
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this team should be here andthis team should be there.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I mean, look, we talked about this before.
Preseason ranking.
All that's made for is TVrating.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
We're going gonna jump into that.
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number two All right, peeps.
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So welcome back to the show.
So, my man T, before we went tobreak, you mentioned no
preseason rankings.
You don't want to do none ofthe well, all that AP top 25
preseason stuff, like you don'twant none of that.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
It just don't make sense to me anymore, even like
even more so now with with thetransfer portal and the nil, and
teams are just so completelydifferent from year to year.
I mean, look at like again,florida state was ranked what
top 10 going in the year and itgoes and gets, gets beat by
georgia tech and that turns outnot even be a good win, like so
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I mean it.
It's just a tv thing to me, likehey, you know we're featuring,
you know top 10 teams.
Week one we got georgia andclinton.
Well, we don't, we don't knowwhat that's gonna be.
I can see clinton losing sixgames again yeah, that's a good
point.
It's just, I don't know.
It seems like a TV thing to meat this point.
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You know the winter storm that just came through
down there.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
They said that it snowed more than Florida State
won games.
Stop, stop, leave Florida Stateout of that I was like man,
that was low.
But you're right, especiallywhen you bring up the transfer
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report and all that stuff andNIL.
We don't know what these teamsare going to look like.
We don't have a clue.
Even before that we stillreally don't know.
Everybody's hyping up archmanning like he, the next best
thing he gonna be.
You know he gonna come in, hegonna kill it the heisman
favorite for 2025, which iscrazy.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I have I haven't seen anything that's been like man,
that guy, he's gonna win theheisman.
I haven't seen anything thatI'm gonna spend well-earned
money on to say he's going towin it.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I agree.
I agree Because I'm like whatif he comes in and he's a dud,
or if he's just average, wedon't know?
Now there's speculation, I gethis last name.
I understand that.
I understand what his NIL valueis too.
But look, dj Ungerle, I can'tsay that last name.
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But that dude at florida state,his, his nil was big too, and
we saw what happened I ain'tgonna try to pronounce this.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I'm terrible at that.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Don't ask me about tsc's quarterback yeah, but and
I should be more sensitivebecause my name is a little
weird, so but look, it ain'tthat bad all them syllables, but
anyway.
So do you think it should bemore like an NFL thing where
it's just like we don't have anyrankings, it's just this team
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playing this team?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I mean, at this point ESPN pretty much owns college
football.
I guess Fox has got Big NoonSaturday where everybody who's
awake by then can watch afootball game.
But just do power rankings,ESPN's power rankings big noon
Saturday, where everybody who'sawake can watch a football game.
Just do.
Power rankings ESPN's powerrankings.
Can you put that up on yourpresentation?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I have no clue it's your broadcast.
I have no clue.
Why big noon?
Why do they best games come onat 11 o'clock in the morning?
That is so crazy, it's tooearly.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Like why I'm surprised they didn't play the
dang Ohio State-Tennessee gameat 11 o'clock in the morning for
the playoffs Big noon kickoff.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Get out of here, man.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
It's Saturday.
We're trying to get a round ofgolf in first.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Oh, that's true.
That's true, but I think you'reright.
Like you could use the powerrankings um instead of ranking,
what some?
Well, look, I don't like the ap, I don't.
I don't think the votersactually watch the games.
I think they just look at thebox score.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I mean, I can do that hey, it's like you mentioned in
your last segment.
You let the voters determinepeople's worth and team's worth,
and these are I don't know.
I don't want to.
I'm not going to bash them.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And they study their work.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Again, all you need is power, right?
Just say, hey, these were goodteams last year, we think
they'll be good teams.
And after week four you canfigure it out.
Because then we get to the endof the year and like, oh, they
beat number 10, florida State.
Use that as an example.
Oh, they got a top 10 win.
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No, they don't.
Florida State won one game.
What about a top 10 wins?
No, they don't.
It's hard to say one-on-onegame, what about a top 10 team?
So they use that criteria atthe end of the year to bolster
their point when it's really amove point.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Currently, the playoff committee will rank
teams after week eight.
Is that too late?
Should they do it sooner?
Because let's just say, me andyou right now we're going to fix
the current system.
The first thing we're going todo no preseason rankings.
When will we rank the teams?
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When will we give them actualrankings, Like after what week?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I would say week five , because what would you guess?
The first five weeks every teamcan have maybe one bye game.
So we've got four games inthere as a case study.
Is that fair to say?
I?
Would say so Five week, weekfive, let's throw out our first
top 25.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I like that idea.
Like you said, they have amonth, would have played, you
know, know, hopefully somedecent competition, and then you
can kind of just go from there.
This is how we rank them.
So yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I like that after a month, I can tell you.
I can tell you who's bad aftera month.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, I might not be able to tell you the top, the
top teams, but I can tell youwho's bad yeah, we kind of man
we run another floor say acouple times, but you knew
florida state was bad, afterprobably week two he was like
yeah, they, they're not verygood so how would you go about
ranking the teams?
What elements would you use?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I would want to see, I would like, I'd like to see a,
you know, a diversenon-conference schedule where a
SEC team played a Big Ten teamor an ACC team played an SEC.
I'd like to see anon-conference game in there to
see how a team performed, Iwould assume in the first five
weeks they were.
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You know, our top teams wouldobviously be undefeated, right.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Hopefully ideally.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Who are playing the best football through five weeks
.
This is subject to change, butthis is who we think the best 25
teams are through five weeks.
Just loosely guessing.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Okay, what if we did something like this?
You're familiar with soccer.
You play FIFA, right?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You've done.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Poorly, but yeah.
You've done like a seasonbefore no, I've just drank and
played it with some buddies weappreciate transparency on the
show yeah so when you like.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I'm one of those.
When it comes to sports games,I like to do the dynasties or
whatever you want to call it,the franchise.
The season when I play FIFA,I've played like a season and
during the season, if you win,you get X amount of points.
If you lose, you get X amountof points.
If it's a draw, you get Xamount of points.
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If it's a draw, you get Xamount of points.
And this reminded me of the waycollege basketball is when it
comes to, like a quad one win, aquad two win.
So what if college football didsomething similar where, if you
, let's say, you beat a team andthat team ends up winning like,
like, let's say, eight games,that means that's a quad one win
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for you.
Yeah, if you beat a team andthey won six games, it's a quad
three win and you allocatepoints and it's a sliding scale
like in college basketball.
So it can change.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Does that sound too confusing?
It doesn't.
I would hate to again.
There would have to be somestrength to schedule factor in
there, because why wouldn't youplay a North Dakota State that's
going to win 13 games in theFCS or a team that's gonna have
a soft schedule like a two laneright, maybe a tough team to
play, but if you beat themthey're gonna win 10 games, and
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you know.
So.
I'd like to see some man.
If there was only a formula outthere that factor all this
stuff in that we used to use, Ican't think of it oh, oh, I
think I got it the BCS.
The BCS formula.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Look, you're one of the few people I know.
That's like bringing back theBCS.
Why would you bring it back?
I?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
don't mind having a committee.
I don't mind having a committee.
I think the BCS gives us aframework for teams deciding the
best 12 teams and that's whatwe want to get down to at the
end of the year.
The BCS was never like wrong.
They have all these factors,all these human polls built in,
all these computer polls.
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You know we might disagreeabout a team or two, but that's
what the committee's for.
Let's have a BCS, provide 12teams, 12 best teams, and then
have the committee then decideall right, who, what, which seat
are you?
The human committee can say,hey, let's put that team into
number one, the number one team,let's take out all these.
(28:15):
Oh, you win your conferencechampionship, you get an
automatic buy so no automaticbuys for conference champs.
I don't want it.
I don't want it.
Your four best teams should getan automatic buy.
I was a big Boise State fanreally pulling for them, but
they didn't deserve a buy.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, that was not good.
They did not deserve a buy.
Arizona State didn't either,but that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
They didn't.
But man, that was a heck of agame.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh yeah, I think you're on to something.
I had this whole formula overhere and as I'm looking at this
formula, it's confusing me and Imade it Like, if we go back to
the BCS just to give us the best12 and then the committee ranks
them, not a bad idea at all.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Then it just takes out all these moving goalposts
the term I used earlier, themoving goalposts changing what
standard we're going to use.
The committee has had a hardjob, the committee, their only
thing.
After every year, we alwaystalk about the fifth team.
What about the 13th team, inthis case Alabama?
This year, why are we talkingabout the 13th team and the 15th
(29:29):
?
If we go to 2014, are we goingto talk about the 2015 getting
left out?
Yep, where does it end?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
It doesn't.
It doesn't, man?
Somebody's always going to feelslighted.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You can't argue with a computer, you can try.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Especially if it's got AI on it.
That thing is always right Likecome on.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I'm sure ChatGPT's got some built-in formula to
give me the 12 best teams.
You're not getting paid for,chatgpt, are you?
You don't have them on thebankroll yet.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Man.
Look, hey, chatgpt, come on,holler at me when I would think
about you know the bcs, and whenI've heard you say that now and
others why we go back to dosomething.
We all hate it, but I haven'theard anyone put that sort of
spin on like you just did.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So you got my wheels spinning a little bit like hmm,
maybe that's a good idea see, Ithink that people hated two
teams giving the play and theywanted to open up the dance to
four teams and then theyrealized man, four teams is
awesome and they went to 12teams.
I don't think people reallyhated the bcs, I think they just
hated that it was just twoteams.
They felt like a lot of othergood teams got left out.
(30:41):
They could have a chance to wina national championship.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, like Auburn in 2004.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
21 years ago, Jeez hey man Never forget, okay,
jason.
Campbell.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Jason Campbell, ronnie Brown.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Cadillac, that wasn't Aroma Shadu, was it?
Aroma Shadu was on the teamTeam's good man, that's a fun
name to say Aroma Shadu, that'sa fun name to say A Roma should
do yeah, I can say that.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But I can't say DJ, I can't say Uncle A.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I can't say that one.
I can say Roma should do though.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Do you feel the committee got it right this year
?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I think they did.
And again, we're only talkingabout did SMU deserve the DM?
We're not talking about anybodyelse, are we?
You're right, we're onlytalking about SMU deserve to be
in.
We're not talking about anybodyelse, are we?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
You're right, we all don't talk about.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
SMU.
We're talking about the 12thbest team here.
I think they did.
Now everybody's going to sayPenn State by racing, okay fine,
alabama did not deserve to bein that game.
They didn't.
If they did, they should havewent in to Norman Oklahoma and
beat Oklahoma, the bottom feederin the SEC this year.
(31:46):
He should have.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Facts.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
That's a bad loss.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It is.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
The Vanderbilt game was a little bit more of a
better loss, for lack of betterterms, Because I mean that was
just a big game for Vanderbiltand Alabama was in a trap game
after beating Georgia.
Right, yeah, I can.
That was just a big game, forVanderbilt and Alabama was in a
trap game after beating Georgia.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I can forgive that loss, but losing at Oklahoma the
way they did and just lookingterrible on offense, you
couldn't convince me that thatwas one of the best 12 teams.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I agree with you I mean look, going to Vandy after
beating Georgia which everybodythought Georgia was going to
beat them you win and dramaticfashion turns out.
Then you go to Vandy and look,it's Vandy, I mean we're not
taking the ACT.
We should be able to just go inhere and do our thing.
(32:37):
Now.
Pavia, I need him to leave.
Look he causing all kinds ofproblems.
Man, new Mexico, what, yeah,new Mexico State?
Then he comes to Vandy and doesthe same thing.
That guy needs to get out ofthere.
Man, go graduate dude, likecome on.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Dog.
I watched Pavia in theBirmingham Bowl.
He's a baller.
I don't know how Vandy'skeeping him.
Somebody should have thrown abag at him, like Carson Beck in
Miami.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
My boy jumped in, had a no contact tag, miami's like
yeah, come on.
But hey, usually you go wherethe girls are, so that's where
the girls are at.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
They probably back-channeled through the
Cavender Twins, you know theydid, you know they did.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
They had to back-channeled through the
Cavender Twins.
You know they did, you knowthey did.
They had to back-channel.
Smart move though.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
NCAA doesn't have any power on that.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Man the.
Ncaa lost their power whenplayers started getting paid.
It's been downhill ever sincethen and players should get paid
.
Don't get me wrong, but sincethat happened, it's been
downhill.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
The cat didn't go back into the bag right.
Ncaa can't do anything now.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Man, look it's getting so bad.
People are suing Pavia to getan extra year.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Where does it end, though?
Where does it like he's suingan extra year?
I mean me and you playedDivision III ball.
Do we get to go have four moreyears?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I've thought about suing them.
We can make money, then yeah, Ithought about suing them so I
can go back, Because I'm likelook, everybody's handing a bag
out.
Look, I just want a couplethousand.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, like a little sweet tea commercial or
something.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I don't think it ends , man, I don't think it ends.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I think it ends.
I think it ends when the SECand the Big Ten take their ball
and go home and start their ownleague.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You believe that's on the way, because I do.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I do, I really do.
I can't see any scenario rightnow where these conferences
aren't grabbing big brands likeFlorida State and Clemson, and
maybe Arizona State and USCalready got grabbed up, but
getting Arizona State out of theBig 12.
I just can't see a scenariowhere these conferences aren't
(34:54):
talking and saying look, we canmake more money and do this on
our own and make a Super League.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Absolutely.
Is Nick Saban your commissioner, if that happens?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
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Now let's finish the show,alright.
So to close out the show, I'mgoing to ask you a few questions
.
You ready?
Alright, many, many peoplebelieve this, but, or at least
(36:00):
speculate this or want to say it.
Do the refs help the Chiefs win?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
No no.
You've got seven officials onthe field, two people in replay,
and again, Kansas city is noteven like the biggest market in
the NFL.
Like, why wouldn't the refshelp a bigger like a New York
market?
Right?
Like, so you'd have to havenine people every game and these
crews rotate, right, You'd haveto have so many people that
(36:29):
would be involved in thisquote-unquote cover-up.
There's no way you keep that asecret and these officials are
doing like.
I feel like every year we talkabout one play from the whole
playoffs in the NFL.
It could have went either way.
I mean, I feel like you'realready kind of referring to the
spot.
Yeah, bill's chiefs game.
(36:49):
I've watched it, you know, athousand times and I can't tell
you if that ball for a hundredpercent sure got over the first
day on Mark.
But what I can tell you is theofficial at the bottom of the
screen comes in stopping theclock like he's short.
He tells me for sure he knowshe's short and I mean that's all
(37:10):
I want from an official is aconfident judgment.
And he's confidently coming in,stopping the clock, saying turn
over on downs.
Whether he ruled first down orshorted the line of game replay
was not.
That's too tight for replay tostay indisputable at video
evidence.
So no, I don't think the refshelp.
I think Patrick Mahomes isreally good at flopping.
(37:31):
Anytime he gets touched hefolds up like a cheap chair and
makes it look bad like a yardsale.
But other than that I think theChiefs are a really good team
and they get the benefit of some50-50 calls.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Patrick Mahomes should be in the NBA playing
soccer, because the dude doesflop very well.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Playing next to LeBron.
Those are the two goats, theflop goats.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
To your point.
While it does appear that theChiefs get a flag at critical
moments, that particular play,the dude at the bottom came in
like nah, he's short.
The guy at the top was like Ithink he got it and then he's
marking it as a first down.
Then he kind of slides to theleft and make him short.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
And the thing about the guy at the top is he never
gives you any signal.
He doesn't give a dead ballhand up in the air signal saying
, hey, I've got him here.
There was no conflicted signalson that play.
And I say conflicted signalslike, uh, what was the seahawks
packers game with the, with the,uh, with the refs, where one
gave a, a touch back and onegave a touchdown?
(38:41):
But there wasn't any likeconfliction of signals there.
Right, one guy had the spot,the other guy just didn't know,
which is fine there's.
There's points in games whereyou're just not gonna know I'm
with that.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I'm with that, all right.
So number two kendrick or drake?
This is not a trick question oh, it is a trick question.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Oh man, I you know huge drake fan three years but
lately kindred.
Is this thing coming on?
Oh, wow right now, right now,right today.
If they battled it out, todayI'm going kindred, but all time
I gotta go with with uh, withdrake man, look at you don't
body of work.
(39:23):
Body of work.
Body of work don't don't mostdeserving can be the best team
right now that's good tie thatinto the point of the show right
best team, most deserving righton topic.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Man, right on topic, all right.
Who in college football has thebest conference?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Right now.
Right now Today.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Bless man.
It's tough because this NILlandscape is just so crazy.
I think the SEC has a biggerbrand, but right now the Big
Ten's got better.
You're better top tier teamslike Ohio State, penn State and
Michigan.
I just think, like recency bias, they've been your best team.
(40:11):
I mean, I still think the SEChas got a bigger, like Auburn,
alabama, tennessee, georgia, lsu, like those are just big names
that are always going to be good.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Right now I'm going to say Big Ten, just given the
last couple years man, it's theBig Ten and I'm an SEC guy
through and through, but it'sthe Big Ten and it's simply
because they've won the last twonational championships yeah,
you can't ignore that.
And Ohio State's spending a lotof money right now 20 million
but also like if it, when theSEC did that, all you heard was
(40:47):
we the best, we the best, we thebest.
I ain't going to move thegoalposts like the crowd.
I ain't moving the goalpostslike the committee.
I ain't doing it.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Got to back it up.
Tennessee lost to Ohio State.
I mean, we had another SEC teamin there, right.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Texas Georgia.
Oh yeah, texas lost to OhioState.
I mean, we had another SEC teamin there, right, Texas Georgia.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Oh yeah, texas lost to Ohio State and Georgia.
Well, georgia lost to NotreDame.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
How did Georgia lose to Notre Dame?
How do you lose to Notre Dame?
Come on, GA.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Backup quarterback.
It's hard to win with yourbackup quarterback.
Thank you, let alone the thirdstring.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Exactly what I'm saying you see exactly what I'm
saying.
You see, shout out FloridaState man yeah, alright, that's
my answer is Taylor Swift badfor the NFL?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
she might not be bad for the NFL but God bless, she's
bad for me.
I can't stand her.
She's bad for me.
I see her, my blood boils.
I'm sure the NFL likes see herand my blood boils.
Actually, the NFL likes havingher and her fan base kind of,
you know, intermingling withtheir sport, so I don't think
(41:54):
she's bad for the NFL.
I know a lot of people hate her.
I saw an Eagles shirt this weekthat had some choice words with
Taylor Swift on it but had theEagles logo in some places.
That covered it up.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
So I know some people that are going to hate on her
To all my Swifties.
My guy T's opinion about her isnot a reflection of what I
think about her.
Okay, so I just want to putthat out there.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
I'm a hater though.
I'm a hater, at least you'rehonest about her, okay.
So I just want to put that outthere.
I'm a hater, though I'm a hater.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
At least you're honest.
The only thing that I'll sayabout taylor swift in the nfl is
it seems like she's takingtravis kelsey's swagger away
like he just doesn't seem to bethat like like he's lost his
swag.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I don't know.
He got him too straight lacedright right now.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah man, he's a wild man out there.
Come on.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Travis.
He's almost like a family mannow.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, that's my onlything.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
He still goes crazy in the playoffs All right last
question when Mahomes gets threeseconds on a play action, he's
going to find Kelsey.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
And he's always open.
I'm like nobody's guarding thatguy.
He's big, he's big.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Boxing him out Turn him.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
It's him right there, that guy 87.
He's the best guy on the floor.
I mean the field.
All right.
Last question who?
Speaker 1 (43:18):
you got winning the Super Bowl.
I got the Eagles, the Eaglesall the way.
I think that's my heart morethan anything, wanting the
Eagles to win.
I don't want to see the Chiefswin another one.
I really like Shaquan on theteam, devontae Smith, aj Brown,
jalen, go Jalen and theirdefense, the Eagles' defense, is
really good.
I think they're going to playwell.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Fly, Eagles, fly.
I'm with you on that one.
I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, I think their defense is going to shut out I'm
not going to say shut outMahomes, I think their defense
is going to pressure Mahomes andget to them a lot, and I think
the defense is the MVP of thegame, the whole defense.
We'll see how that statementages.
If it sounds stupid a week fromnow, just go ahead and edit it
(44:05):
out, right, man no.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Fly.
You can fly, baby.
We in there, we in there T.
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I am d turnip seed and ontoday's episode, we talking the
college football playoff.
We talking the college footballplayoff.
Was it a success?
Did they pick the right teams?
What changes can be made?
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I'm going to break all thatdown.
Like always, I keep it real, Ikeep it authentic and I'm always
in context.
Let's jump in.
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All right, everybody.
Today we're going to talk alittle college football playoff
committee and I got a littlehelp from my man t, so t what's
up?
Well, how you doing, man yo yohow are you?
another day, another dollar.
That's what I tell myself, atleast.
But anyway, let's, let's jumpinto this game.
So the playoff committee itcame what?
(02:19):
Uh?
2014, when they first announcedwe're gonna leave the bcs and
we're going to a 14 playoff,what did you think?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I mean, I thought it was crazy.
Then I said there was nothingwrong with the bcs.
The bcs had it right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You can't argue computers can't argue science
yeah, there's no way you believethat like come on that.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
That's what I thought in 2014 okay okay, now again,
again.
It was didn't alabama and osubreak that?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I think the system there well, yeah, because they
had the whole rematch and peoplegot upset like, well, how are
they gonna play again?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
yeah, so alabama and osu broke that system.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I would say so.
I guess, when this whole thingcame into existence, I never
understood why it was four whenat the time there were five
power conferences.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
That didn't make sense.
People were so adverse tochange.
Throw too many teams out thereand scare everybody off.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
They should have started with six.
You start with six.
That way you can have all thepower fives in and then you got
one at large team.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Six, eight, something that made sense.
Four in that giveninfrastructure didn't really
make sense at the time.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
From about 2014 to 2020, I believe the committee
had it pretty easy.
All your mainstays were thereyour, your Georgia's, your
Michigan's, your Clemson,alabama.
But in 2021 they vote inCincinnati, a group of five.
(04:01):
They put them in over NotreDame a 10-2 Ohio State and a
11-2 Baylor who won the Big 12.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I think that was the most controversial thing the
committee had done up until thatpoint.
But I think everybody was kindof the consensus on the top
three teams that year withAlabama, georgia and Michigan I
mean so I think a four spot.
I think everybody kind of knewit was still going to boil down
to either Alabama, georgia orMichigan that year.
So they felt like I don't know,I don't like to think the
(04:33):
committee plays to both sides,but they felt like, oh, we could
give one of the group of fivehere and still know that it's
not going to matter in the grandscheme of things.
And still know that it's notgoing to matter in the grand
scheme of things.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So the outcry wasn't going to overshadow the end
result.
I mean, I can see where you'recoming from on that I can.
I just don't or didn't feellike they should have been there
.
I mean, if you look at who OhioState played, Baylor goes 11-2
and win their conference youcan't tell me that cincinnati
played they won their conferenceyes, they won their conference,
(05:13):
cincinnati.
They did beat notre dame.
So if you want to put the manover notre dame, that's fine,
that's fine.
I ain't got no problem withthat, because you know Notre
Dame doesn't have a conference,which is a whole other story.
But you got 10-2 Ohio State,11-2 Baylor.
Come on, man.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, I mean they went into Notre Dame, won at
Notre Dame that year.
That was obviously a big win.
You know, other than thatthere's nothing else that really
jumps off the page.
But you know they play alabamaand they they don't get blown
out but they lose by 21.
I don't, I didn't hate it.
I guess I was just moreindifferent to that pick at the
fourth spot.
Yeah, maybe, uh, ohio state ora baylor gets a better game, but
(06:01):
I mean alabama was playingtheir best football at the end
of the year that yearunfortunately that's true.
I can't stand Bama well, georgiawas playing their best ball too
, after after losing the SECchampionship look I have.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I don't like Bama or Georgia.
I'm, you know, I'm an Auburnguy.
No secret, I'm an Auburn guy,you know.
When Bama and Georgia played inthe national championship, I
wish I could have blew thestadium up like Bane did in
Batman.
Nobody wins.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Game's over.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
But I was for sure, pulling for Georgia.
I loved every moment, everymoment Loved it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, they were at that point with Kirby.
You just had to kind of pullfor him right To go in there and
beat Saban after losing allthose games.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
What you just said sounds very noble, but for me, I
just didn't want to hear theBama fans brag.
I was tired Like I was tired ofit.
They were on my last nerves.
I was tired Like I'm.
I was tired of it Like theywere on my last nerves.
I just please no.
As an Auburn fan, you walkaround and you mind your own
business doing football season,you cool, and this random person
(07:16):
come up to you Road dot.
Hey, bro bro.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I'm just trying to.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I'm just, I'm just picking up eggs, man Like chill
out.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, you can't even go to the store wearing
your stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's all I'm saying , man.
That's all I'm saying.
So Georgia wins.
They quiet.
I'm good, I can go get my eggsin peace.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah yeah, that was a fan base.
That doesn't really.
I don't know if it's just gonnasay that, like, obviously we
don't live in georgia, but youknow we don't.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
We don't hear a lot of noise out, out and about
right now what I have heard istheir fans like, like to bark at
you, which is look man, that'sweird, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Like I ain't fixing to bark at a grown man exactly
and I'm definitely not wearingshoulder pads with spikes to a
football game to paint myself.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But I mean, it's their thing she's signing for
the wwe man yeah, geez so thenext season they vote in tcu,
and this one was a little littletricky as well, because TCU
gets in over a 10-2 Bama, over a10-2 Tennessee and over an 11-1
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Clemson who won the ACC andthis one was.
I think people were upset aboutTCU getting in because they
lost the conference championshipto Kansas State.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Again.
It was like one of those thingslike you lose the conference
but I mean you go in and youbeat Michigan in the first round
matchup game.
I mean everybody knows how thenational championship game ended
up getting boat raced byGeorgia.
But I mean they did beatMichigan in the playoffs and
that was the biggest shock to mebecause they controlled that
(09:09):
game against Michigan.
They scored at will, theyscored 51 points in that game
and then they scored sevenagainst Georgia.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Smell you.
Georgia was out of there.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
That game was over in the first three minutes.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
And everybody knew it .
All right, change the channel.
I do agree with you.
I don't think that one wasreally the wrong selection.
They lost one game up untilthat point.
Yeah, they went undefeated.
You win all your games.
You lose in the conferencechampionship.
(09:44):
I think they got that one right.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Look, listen to this resume.
Went beat number 18 Oklahoma.
Number 19 Kansas.
Number 8 Oklahoma State.
Number 17 Kansas State.
Number 18 Texas.
Lose the Big 12 championshipgame.
Okay, but then they beat numbertwo michigan amen I mean that's
, that's a good resume now again.
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Most deserving, best team.
I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
They go in there and they beat michigan look, bama
fans gonna come looking for youbecause I don't disagree, I that
resume is very good, it's very,very good.
But they were heated, that fanbase was upset, but the
committee got it correct, theygot it correct.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Alabama fan base was upset with Taylor DeBoer for
wearing a t-shirt at Vanderbilt.
They're going to be upset.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Look the amount of Alabama fans that wanted him to
dress like Saban.
I'm like man.
Saban got them stiff.
Khakis on shirt, all tucked in.
He looked uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
He picked up his golf polos at the draft.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Now the following season.
This is the good one right here.
I got to hear this thecommittee decides to put in
Alabama.
Alabama wins the SEC and theyput in Alabama over a undefeated
Florida State team.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I thought the committee had balls.
I didn't think they would dothat.
Alabama was the best team.
I was not going to be surprisedat all if they put Florida
State in.
Florida State, rightfully, hadearned a spot in the playoffs.
They would have gotten boatrace by anybody.
They would have played.
Michigan would have beat themby 60.
Heck.
Georgia beat them by 60different circumstances in their
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bowl game but that was just notthe same Florida State team
after injury.
But I just didn't think thatwas the balliest committee to
date.
And again it seems like Alabamakind of breaks the committee
and we go to 12 teams after thatright.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
But Alabama was playing really good football.
On paper it was the better teammatchup-wise.
I just they did the right thing.
People hate it, but you got toput the four best teams in.
I know again deserving best.
Alabama was a better team thanFlorida State.
You can look at that productthey put on the field and say I
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hate that argument.
Same thing with this year withAlabama playing Michigan in the
whatever that bowl game wasRelia Quest Bowl.
You can't be like see Alabamadidn't get in.
I mean, it's just a differentmatchup, a different game.
When you're not playing for anational championship and you're
just going down there onvacation oh and, by the way,
we're going to play a footballgame you're not playing for a
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national championship and you'rejust going down there on
vacation oh and, by the way,we're gonna play a football game
.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I hear you, I hear you.
I just look.
For me it's simple if alabamagoes undefeated and lose their
starter and second string andstill wins with their third
string, they're getting in like.
I felt like florida state gotshafted on that one.
It's very hard.
To win.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
With your backup quarterback it's even more
difficult to win with your thirdstring quarterback say what
yeah, I said, let alone yourthird string, yeah exactly, let
alone your third string.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And they did that.
I'm not.
I don't think you should punish, and yes, I'm going to say
punish because that's what thedude from the committee said.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Let's punish me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
They don't have that starting quarterback.
They ain't the same team sothey couldn't get in.
So you're going to punish thewhole team because one dude
unfortunately got hurt.
It's a win-loss business.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's unfortunate, and I think too it's it's
unfortunate and I think I thinktoo it's a different.
It's different to win the accthan to win the sec with one
loss.
I think that played a big partin in it.
And again, at the end of theyear, who's playing the best
football?
I mean we.
We can look at this year's andI'm sure we're about to get to
it.
We can look at this year'sfootball season and nobody had
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notre dame and ohio stateplaying the best football going
in, going into the postseason,and those are the two teams that
rose to the top.
So you got to play your bestfootball at the end of the year.
And florida state was reelingand alabama was.
They went in and knocked offgeorgia, trying to win their
third straight nationalchampionship, having lost a game
at the end of the season.
So that's a really big win onpaper.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
That's a good point.
That's a good point, I'm withthat.
I just for me power of our teamgoals undefeated.
They got to get in.
They got to get in.
Was Bama playing their bestball at that time?
Yeah, they were, I give themthat.
But Florida State wasundefeated.
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Let's move towards that bestversus most deserving.
And if you're the committeewhen it comes down to best and
most deserving, which way areyou leaning?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well, when I'm the committee, I do what I've done
every single year and I've just,for lack of better terms, moved
the goalposts to fit whatevercriteria that they could make
that narrative work.
They've done it every singleyear.
They did it with a candidatewho was in TCU and the two teams
decided they were going toshare a conference championship.
They left them both out andsaid, hey, well, you know, we
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want a conference champion.
Well, the next year they said,oh well, you got to be the best
team.
And then this year they saidwell, you got to have a starting
quarterback.
The committee's going to dowhatever they want to do to make
their argument that they'renarrative, which is fine.
That's human bias, right.
If you're going to make adecision, you're going to have a
reason for a decision, but itgoes back to 2014.
(15:45):
Hey, the BCS was.
You know we can get mad, butthey were usually pretty.
The BCS was pretty good informulating best teams.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Okay.
So the committee claims theyhave a criteria.
This is how they define howthey make their selections.
They rank the teams based onthe members' evaluation of the
team's performance on the field,using conference championships.
Won strength of schedule,head-to-head results and
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comparison of results againstcommon opponents to decide among
teams that are comparable.
That's how they rank teams.
Now I just read that to you andit's still kind of hard for me
to figure out what the criteriais.
I get the head-to-head, I getthe strength of schedule part,
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like using conferencechampionships.
If one team won the SEC, oneteam wins the SEC.
You're going to give it to theSEC, I guess based on the level
of competition.
It's a better brand.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
It's a better brand.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Oh, so it's money, got it, got it.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Well, no, the SEC is a better conference, it's a more
you and the SEC, you're a.
You should be a better teamthan the team that wins the ACC.
Case in point, the number twoSEC, the team that lost in the
SEC championship, beat the ACCchampion.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Okay, because, like I ain't going to lie, there are
times where I'm like is the SECreally the best, or is it just
the machine telling us they'rethe best?
They are with ESPN.
Now.
What does ESPN call themselvesthe worldwide leader?
Okay, so they can push certainnarratives and be like, well,
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this team should be here andthis team should be there.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I mean, look, we talked about this before.
Preseason ranking.
All that's made for is TVrating.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
We're going gonna jump into that.
But before we do that, I hopeyou guys enjoyed that first
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number two All right, peeps.
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So welcome back to the show.
So, my man T, before we went tobreak, you mentioned no
preseason rankings.
You don't want to do none ofthe well, all that AP top 25
preseason stuff, like you don'twant none of that.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
It just don't make sense to me anymore, even like
even more so now with with thetransfer portal and the nil, and
teams are just so completelydifferent from year to year.
I mean, look at like again,florida state was ranked what
top 10 going in the year and itgoes and gets, gets beat by
georgia tech and that turns outnot even be a good win, like so
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I mean it.
It's just a tv thing to me, likehey, you know we're featuring,
you know top 10 teams.
Week one we got georgia andclinton.
Well, we don't, we don't knowwhat that's gonna be.
I can see clinton losing sixgames again yeah, that's a good
point.
It's just, I don't know.
It seems like a TV thing to meat this point.
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You know the winter storm that just came through
down there.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
They said that it snowed more than Florida State
won games.
Stop, stop, leave Florida Stateout of that I was like man,
that was low.
But you're right, especiallywhen you bring up the transfer
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report and all that stuff andNIL.
We don't know what these teamsare going to look like.
We don't have a clue.
Even before that we stillreally don't know.
Everybody's hyping up archmanning like he, the next best
thing he gonna be.
You know he gonna come in, hegonna kill it the heisman
favorite for 2025, which iscrazy.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I have I haven't seen anything that's been like man,
that guy, he's gonna win theheisman.
I haven't seen anything thatI'm gonna spend well-earned
money on to say he's going towin it.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I agree.
I agree Because I'm like whatif he comes in and he's a dud,
or if he's just average, wedon't know?
Now there's speculation, I gethis last name.
I understand that.
I understand what his NIL valueis too.
But look, dj Ungerle, I can'tsay that last name.
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But that dude at florida state,his, his nil was big too, and
we saw what happened I ain'tgonna try to pronounce this.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I'm terrible at that.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Don't ask me about tsc's quarterback yeah, but and
I should be more sensitivebecause my name is a little
weird, so but look, it ain'tthat bad all them syllables, but
anyway.
So do you think it should bemore like an NFL thing where
it's just like we don't have anyrankings, it's just this team
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playing this team?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I mean, at this point ESPN pretty much owns college
football.
I guess Fox has got Big NoonSaturday where everybody who's
awake by then can watch afootball game.
But just do power rankings,ESPN's power rankings big noon
Saturday, where everybody who'sawake can watch a football game.
Just do.
Power rankings ESPN's powerrankings.
Can you put that up on yourpresentation?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I have no clue it's your broadcast.
I have no clue.
Why big noon?
Why do they best games come onat 11 o'clock in the morning?
That is so crazy, it's tooearly.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Like why I'm surprised they didn't play the
dang Ohio State-Tennessee gameat 11 o'clock in the morning for
the playoffs Big noon kickoff.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Get out of here, man.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
It's Saturday.
We're trying to get a round ofgolf in first.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Oh, that's true.
That's true, but I think you'reright.
Like you could use the powerrankings um instead of ranking,
what some?
Well, look, I don't like the ap, I don't.
I don't think the votersactually watch the games.
I think they just look at thebox score.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I mean, I can do that hey, it's like you mentioned in
your last segment.
You let the voters determinepeople's worth and team's worth,
and these are I don't know.
I don't want to.
I'm not going to bash them.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And they study their work.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Again, all you need is power, right?
Just say, hey, these were goodteams last year, we think
they'll be good teams.
And after week four you canfigure it out.
Because then we get to the endof the year and like, oh, they
beat number 10, florida State.
Use that as an example.
Oh, they got a top 10 win.
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No, they don't.
Florida State won one game.
What about a top 10 wins?
No, they don't.
It's hard to say one-on-onegame, what about a top 10 team?
So they use that criteria atthe end of the year to bolster
their point when it's really amove point.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Currently, the playoff committee will rank
teams after week eight.
Is that too late?
Should they do it sooner?
Because let's just say, me andyou right now we're going to fix
the current system.
The first thing we're going todo no preseason rankings.
When will we rank the teams?
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When will we give them actualrankings, Like after what week?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I would say week five , because what would you guess?
The first five weeks every teamcan have maybe one bye game.
So we've got four games inthere as a case study.
Is that fair to say?
I?
Would say so Five week, weekfive, let's throw out our first
top 25.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I like that idea.
Like you said, they have amonth, would have played, you
know, know, hopefully somedecent competition, and then you
can kind of just go from there.
This is how we rank them.
So yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I like that after a month, I can tell you.
I can tell you who's bad aftera month.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, I might not be able to tell you the top, the
top teams, but I can tell youwho's bad yeah, we kind of man
we run another floor say acouple times, but you knew
florida state was bad, afterprobably week two he was like
yeah, they, they're not verygood so how would you go about
ranking the teams?
What elements would you use?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I would want to see, I would like, I'd like to see a,
you know, a diversenon-conference schedule where a
SEC team played a Big Ten teamor an ACC team played an SEC.
I'd like to see anon-conference game in there to
see how a team performed, Iwould assume in the first five
weeks they were.
(24:54):
You know, our top teams wouldobviously be undefeated, right.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Hopefully ideally.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Who are playing the best football through five weeks
.
This is subject to change, butthis is who we think the best 25
teams are through five weeks.
Just loosely guessing.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Okay, what if we did something like this?
You're familiar with soccer.
You play FIFA, right?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You've done.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Poorly, but yeah.
You've done like a seasonbefore no, I've just drank and
played it with some buddies weappreciate transparency on the
show yeah so when you like.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I'm one of those.
When it comes to sports games,I like to do the dynasties or
whatever you want to call it,the franchise.
The season when I play FIFA,I've played like a season and
during the season, if you win,you get X amount of points.
If you lose, you get X amountof points.
If it's a draw, you get Xamount of points.
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If it's a draw, you get Xamount of points.
And this reminded me of the waycollege basketball is when it
comes to, like a quad one win, aquad two win.
So what if college football didsomething similar where, if you
, let's say, you beat a team andthat team ends up winning like,
like, let's say, eight games,that means that's a quad one win
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for you.
Yeah, if you beat a team andthey won six games, it's a quad
three win and you allocatepoints and it's a sliding scale
like in college basketball.
So it can change.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Does that sound too confusing?
It doesn't.
I would hate to again.
There would have to be somestrength to schedule factor in
there, because why wouldn't youplay a North Dakota State that's
going to win 13 games in theFCS or a team that's gonna have
a soft schedule like a two laneright, maybe a tough team to
play, but if you beat themthey're gonna win 10 games, and
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you know.
So.
I'd like to see some man.
If there was only a formula outthere that factor all this
stuff in that we used to use, Ican't think of it oh, oh, I
think I got it the BCS.
The BCS formula.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Look, you're one of the few people I know.
That's like bringing back theBCS.
Why would you bring it back?
I?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
don't mind having a committee.
I don't mind having a committee.
I think the BCS gives us aframework for teams deciding the
best 12 teams and that's whatwe want to get down to at the
end of the year.
The BCS was never like wrong.
They have all these factors,all these human polls built in,
all these computer polls.
(27:54):
You know we might disagreeabout a team or two, but that's
what the committee's for.
Let's have a BCS, provide 12teams, 12 best teams, and then
have the committee then decideall right, who, what, which seat
are you?
The human committee can say,hey, let's put that team into
number one, the number one team,let's take out all these.
(28:15):
Oh, you win your conferencechampionship, you get an
automatic buy so no automaticbuys for conference champs.
I don't want it.
I don't want it.
Your four best teams should getan automatic buy.
I was a big Boise State fanreally pulling for them, but
they didn't deserve a buy.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, that was not good.
They did not deserve a buy.
Arizona State didn't either,but that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
They didn't.
But man, that was a heck of agame.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh yeah, I think you're on to something.
I had this whole formula overhere and as I'm looking at this
formula, it's confusing me and Imade it Like, if we go back to
the BCS just to give us the best12 and then the committee ranks
them, not a bad idea at all.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Then it just takes out all these moving goalposts
the term I used earlier, themoving goalposts changing what
standard we're going to use.
The committee has had a hardjob, the committee, their only
thing.
After every year, we alwaystalk about the fifth team.
What about the 13th team, inthis case Alabama?
This year, why are we talkingabout the 13th team and the 15th
(29:29):
?
If we go to 2014, are we goingto talk about the 2015 getting
left out?
Yep, where does it end?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
It doesn't.
It doesn't, man?
Somebody's always going to feelslighted.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You can't argue with a computer, you can try.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Especially if it's got AI on it.
That thing is always right Likecome on.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I'm sure ChatGPT's got some built-in formula to
give me the 12 best teams.
You're not getting paid for,chatgpt, are you?
You don't have them on thebankroll yet.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Man.
Look, hey, chatgpt, come on,holler at me when I would think
about you know the bcs, and whenI've heard you say that now and
others why we go back to dosomething.
We all hate it, but I haven'theard anyone put that sort of
spin on like you just did.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So you got my wheels spinning a little bit like hmm,
maybe that's a good idea see, Ithink that people hated two
teams giving the play and theywanted to open up the dance to
four teams and then theyrealized man, four teams is
awesome and they went to 12teams.
I don't think people reallyhated the bcs, I think they just
hated that it was just twoteams.
They felt like a lot of othergood teams got left out.
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They could have a chance to wina national championship.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, like Auburn in 2004.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
21 years ago, Jeez hey man Never forget, okay,
jason.
Campbell.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Jason Campbell, ronnie Brown.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Cadillac, that wasn't Aroma Shadu, was it?
Aroma Shadu was on the teamTeam's good man, that's a fun
name to say Aroma Shadu, that'sa fun name to say A Roma should
do yeah, I can say that.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But I can't say DJ, I can't say Uncle A.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I can't say that one.
I can say Roma should do though.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Do you feel the committee got it right this year
?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I think they did.
And again, we're only talkingabout did SMU deserve the DM?
We're not talking about anybodyelse, are we?
You're right, we're onlytalking about SMU deserve to be
in.
We're not talking about anybodyelse, are we?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
You're right, we all don't talk about.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
SMU.
We're talking about the 12thbest team here.
I think they did.
Now everybody's going to sayPenn State by racing, okay fine,
alabama did not deserve to bein that game.
They didn't.
If they did, they should havewent in to Norman Oklahoma and
beat Oklahoma, the bottom feederin the SEC this year.
(31:46):
He should have.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Facts.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
That's a bad loss.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It is.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
The Vanderbilt game was a little bit more of a
better loss, for lack of betterterms, Because I mean that was
just a big game for Vanderbiltand Alabama was in a trap game
after beating Georgia.
Right, yeah, I can.
That was just a big game, forVanderbilt and Alabama was in a
trap game after beating Georgia.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I can forgive that loss, but losing at Oklahoma the
way they did and just lookingterrible on offense, you
couldn't convince me that thatwas one of the best 12 teams.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I agree with you I mean look, going to Vandy after
beating Georgia which everybodythought Georgia was going to
beat them you win and dramaticfashion turns out.
Then you go to Vandy and look,it's Vandy, I mean we're not
taking the ACT.
We should be able to just go inhere and do our thing.
(32:37):
Now.
Pavia, I need him to leave.
Look he causing all kinds ofproblems.
Man, new Mexico, what, yeah,new Mexico State?
Then he comes to Vandy and doesthe same thing.
That guy needs to get out ofthere.
Man, go graduate dude, likecome on.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Dog.
I watched Pavia in theBirmingham Bowl.
He's a baller.
I don't know how Vandy'skeeping him.
Somebody should have thrown abag at him, like Carson Beck in
Miami.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
My boy jumped in, had a no contact tag, miami's like
yeah, come on.
But hey, usually you go wherethe girls are, so that's where
the girls are at.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
They probably back-channeled through the
Cavender Twins, you know theydid, you know they did.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
They had to back-channeled through the
Cavender Twins.
You know they did, you knowthey did.
They had to back-channel.
Smart move though.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
NCAA doesn't have any power on that.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Man the.
Ncaa lost their power whenplayers started getting paid.
It's been downhill ever sincethen and players should get paid
.
Don't get me wrong, but sincethat happened, it's been
downhill.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
The cat didn't go back into the bag right.
Ncaa can't do anything now.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Man, look it's getting so bad.
People are suing Pavia to getan extra year.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Where does it end, though?
Where does it like he's suingan extra year?
I mean me and you playedDivision III ball.
Do we get to go have four moreyears?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I've thought about suing them.
We can make money, then yeah, Ithought about suing them so I
can go back, Because I'm likelook, everybody's handing a bag
out.
Look, I just want a couplethousand.
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, like a little sweet tea commercial or
something.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I don't think it ends , man, I don't think it ends.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I think it ends.
I think it ends when the SECand the Big Ten take their ball
and go home and start their ownleague.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You believe that's on the way, because I do.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I do, I really do.
I can't see any scenario rightnow where these conferences
aren't grabbing big brands likeFlorida State and Clemson, and
maybe Arizona State and USCalready got grabbed up, but
getting Arizona State out of theBig 12.
I just can't see a scenariowhere these conferences aren't
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talking and saying look, we canmake more money and do this on
our own and make a Super League.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Absolutely.
Is Nick Saban your commissioner, if that happens?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
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So to close out the show, I'mgoing to ask you a few questions
.
You ready?
Alright, many, many peoplebelieve this, but, or at least
(36:00):
speculate this or want to say it.
Do the refs help the Chiefs win?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
No no.
You've got seven officials onthe field, two people in replay,
and again, Kansas city is noteven like the biggest market in
the NFL.
Like, why wouldn't the refshelp a bigger like a New York
market?
Right?
Like, so you'd have to havenine people every game and these
crews rotate, right, You'd haveto have so many people that
(36:29):
would be involved in thisquote-unquote cover-up.
There's no way you keep that asecret and these officials are
doing like.
I feel like every year we talkabout one play from the whole
playoffs in the NFL.
It could have went either way.
I mean, I feel like you'realready kind of referring to the
spot.
Yeah, bill's chiefs game.
(36:49):
I've watched it, you know, athousand times and I can't tell
you if that ball for a hundredpercent sure got over the first
day on Mark.
But what I can tell you is theofficial at the bottom of the
screen comes in stopping theclock like he's short.
He tells me for sure he knowshe's short and I mean that's all
(37:10):
I want from an official is aconfident judgment.
And he's confidently coming in,stopping the clock, saying turn
over on downs.
Whether he ruled first down orshorted the line of game replay
was not.
That's too tight for replay tostay indisputable at video
evidence.
So no, I don't think the refshelp.
I think Patrick Mahomes isreally good at flopping.
(37:31):
Anytime he gets touched hefolds up like a cheap chair and
makes it look bad like a yardsale.
But other than that I think theChiefs are a really good team
and they get the benefit of some50-50 calls.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Patrick Mahomes should be in the NBA playing
soccer, because the dude doesflop very well.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Playing next to LeBron.
Those are the two goats, theflop goats.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
To your point.
While it does appear that theChiefs get a flag at critical
moments, that particular play,the dude at the bottom came in
like nah, he's short.
The guy at the top was like Ithink he got it and then he's
marking it as a first down.
Then he kind of slides to theleft and make him short.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
And the thing about the guy at the top is he never
gives you any signal.
He doesn't give a dead ballhand up in the air signal saying
, hey, I've got him here.
There was no conflicted signalson that play.
And I say conflicted signalslike, uh, what was the seahawks
packers game with the, with the,uh, with the refs, where one
gave a, a touch back and onegave a touchdown?
(38:41):
But there wasn't any likeconfliction of signals there.
Right, one guy had the spot,the other guy just didn't know,
which is fine there's.
There's points in games whereyou're just not gonna know I'm
with that.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I'm with that, all right.
So number two kendrick or drake?
This is not a trick question oh, it is a trick question.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Oh man, I you know huge drake fan three years but
lately kindred.
Is this thing coming on?
Oh, wow right now, right now,right today.
If they battled it out, todayI'm going kindred, but all time
I gotta go with with uh, withdrake man, look at you don't
body of work.
(39:23):
Body of work.
Body of work don't don't mostdeserving can be the best team
right now that's good tie thatinto the point of the show right
best team, most deserving righton topic.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Man, right on topic, all right.
Who in college football has thebest conference?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Right now.
Right now Today.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Bless man.
It's tough because this NILlandscape is just so crazy.
I think the SEC has a biggerbrand, but right now the Big
Ten's got better.
You're better top tier teamslike Ohio State, penn State and
Michigan.
I just think, like recency bias, they've been your best team.
(40:11):
I mean, I still think the SEChas got a bigger, like Auburn,
alabama, tennessee, georgia, lsu, like those are just big names
that are always going to be good.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Right now I'm going to say Big Ten, just given the
last couple years man, it's theBig Ten and I'm an SEC guy
through and through, but it'sthe Big Ten and it's simply
because they've won the last twonational championships yeah,
you can't ignore that.
And Ohio State's spending a lotof money right now 20 million
but also like if it, when theSEC did that, all you heard was
(40:47):
we the best, we the best, we thebest.
I ain't going to move thegoalposts like the crowd.
I ain't moving the goalpostslike the committee.
I ain't doing it.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Got to back it up.
Tennessee lost to Ohio State.
I mean, we had another SEC teamin there, right.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Texas Georgia.
Oh yeah, texas lost to OhioState.
I mean, we had another SEC teamin there, right, Texas Georgia.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Oh yeah, texas lost to Ohio State and Georgia.
Well, georgia lost to NotreDame.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
How did Georgia lose to Notre Dame?
How do you lose to Notre Dame?
Come on, GA.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Backup quarterback.
It's hard to win with yourbackup quarterback.
Thank you, let alone the thirdstring.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Exactly what I'm saying you see exactly what I'm
saying.
You see, shout out FloridaState man yeah, alright, that's
my answer is Taylor Swift badfor the NFL?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
she might not be bad for the NFL but God bless, she's
bad for me.
I can't stand her.
She's bad for me.
I see her, my blood boils.
I'm sure the NFL likes see herand my blood boils.
Actually, the NFL likes havingher and her fan base kind of,
you know, intermingling withtheir sport, so I don't think
(41:54):
she's bad for the NFL.
I know a lot of people hate her.
I saw an Eagles shirt this weekthat had some choice words with
Taylor Swift on it but had theEagles logo in some places.
That covered it up.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
So I know some people that are going to hate on her
To all my Swifties.
My guy T's opinion about her isnot a reflection of what I
think about her.
Okay, so I just want to putthat out there.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
I'm a hater though.
I'm a hater, at least you'rehonest about her, okay.
So I just want to put that outthere.
I'm a hater, though I'm a hater.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
At least you're honest.
The only thing that I'll sayabout taylor swift in the nfl is
it seems like she's takingtravis kelsey's swagger away
like he just doesn't seem to bethat like like he's lost his
swag.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I don't know.
He got him too straight lacedright right now.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah man, he's a wild man out there.
Come on.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Travis.
He's almost like a family mannow.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, that's my onlything.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
He still goes crazy in the playoffs All right last
question when Mahomes gets threeseconds on a play action, he's
going to find Kelsey.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
And he's always open.
I'm like nobody's guarding thatguy.
He's big, he's big.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Boxing him out Turn him.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
It's him right there, that guy 87.
He's the best guy on the floor.
I mean the field.
All right.
Last question who?
Speaker 1 (43:18):
you got winning the Super Bowl.
I got the Eagles, the Eaglesall the way.
I think that's my heart morethan anything, wanting the
Eagles to win.
I don't want to see the Chiefswin another one.
I really like Shaquan on theteam, devontae Smith, aj Brown,
jalen, go Jalen and theirdefense, the Eagles' defense, is
really good.
I think they're going to playwell.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Fly, Eagles, fly.
I'm with you on that one.
I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, I think their defense is going to shut out I'm
not going to say shut outMahomes, I think their defense
is going to pressure Mahomes andget to them a lot, and I think
the defense is the MVP of thegame, the whole defense.
We'll see how that statementages.
If it sounds stupid a week fromnow, just go ahead and edit it
(44:05):
out, right, man no.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Fly.
You can fly, baby.
We in there, we in there T.
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