The 4PM Podcast

The 4PM Podcast

Transforming 4PM through: Integration to Deliver Value! The 4PM Podcast is the newest platform in the UrukPM Outreach Trio. The outreach trio includes the Applied Project Management YouTube Channel, the Applied Project Management Blog Site, and the 4PM Podcast. We will use these three platforms in an integrated way to provide maximum flexibility and benefits to our community. In these podcast episodes, we will discuss various topics related to 4PM. In this context, 4PM refers to project, program, product, and portfolio management. Our topics include various educational content such as case studies, books, practical tips, the latest trends, the pioneering Uruk Platform, and future interviews with respected project management experts and thought leaders. Do you have topics or questions that you would like us to discuss? Please share!

Episodes

October 22, 2025 8 mins

In this episode of the 4PM Podcast, host Mounir Ajam takes us back to one of his early professional experiences in the oil and gas industry, where a $100 million project portfolio mired in conflict, resistance, and mistrust was transformed into a model of collaboration and teamwork.

Through four key parts, Mounir shares how strategic integration between the owner and contractor teams — once divided by competing interests — led to op...

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In this episode of the 4PM Podcast, host Mounir Ajam explores the evolving role of the Chief Project Officer (CPO) and why organizations should consider adding this position to the C-suite. Drawing from insights in his upcoming book Successful Transformation, Mounir unpacks the responsibilities of a CPO, how this role aligns strategy with execution, and why it is still rare in today’s corporate world.

You’ll learn:

  • The criteria f...
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In this episode of the 4PM Podcast, host Mounir Ajam unpacks the Organizational Project Management Practice Continuum—a roadmap showing how organizations mature in managing projects, programs, and portfolios.

You’ll hear insights on the PMO debate, the different forms PMOs can take, and why some organizations succeed (or struggle) without structured project management practices.

Mounir also introduces the concept of a Project Managem...

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In this episode of the 4PM Podcast, host Mounir Ajam tackles a common yet often misunderstood question: What’s the difference between a Project Management Office (PMO) and a Project Management Division (PMD)?

While PMOs vary widely in scope—from departmental support units to enterprise-level oversight—most fall short of treating project management as a strategic, enterprise-wide function. A PMD, on the other hand, represents a parad...

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In this episode of the 4PM Podcast, host Mounir Ajam explores one of the most overlooked yet critical aspects of project management: project closure. Too often, projects are rushed to an end, leaving behind lost knowledge, missed opportunities for improvement, and no lasting organizational learning.

Drawing on decades of global project management experience, Mounir highlights why learning from history matters and how neglecting clos...

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Megaprojects are among the most ambitious undertakings in the world—often exceeding billions of dollars, spanning years, and impacting entire industries, economies, and communities. But with such scale comes enormous risk.

In this episode of the 4PM Podcast, host Mounir Ajam unpacks the hard truths and bold lessons from two billion-dollar case studies: the USA Project (UP) and the Asian Project (AP). Despite starting with similar sc...

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In this episode of the 4PM Podcast, host Mounir Ajam explores why project management must evolve beyond the traditional Project Management Office (PMO). Despite decades of certifications, frameworks, and tools, project success rates remain frustratingly low. The real issue isn’t effort—it’s structure.

Mounir breaks down the systemic inhibitors holding organizations back, from fragmented practices to weak governance integration. He m...

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In this follow-up to Part 1, host Mounir Ajam takes a deep dive into what a complete project management method should look like—and why so many traditional models fall short.

From the six essential components of a robust methodology to the often-overlooked power of stage gates, this episode delivers a clear roadmap for moving from a technical delivery mindset to a true value delivery approach.

You’ll discover:

  • The difference betwe...
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In this powerful first installment of a two-part series, host Mounir Ajam unpacks the deep-rooted challenges that continue to plague the project management profession—even after decades of certifications, guides, and frameworks.

Drawing from his paper, "Transforming Project Management While Respecting Our Diversity," Mounir takes a strategic lens to explore:

  • Why project failure rates remain high across industries
  • The per...
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Is project management really about choosing between Agile or Waterfall—or is there something deeper we’re missing?

In this thought-provoking episode of the 4PM Podcast, host Mounir Ajam challenges the traditional narratives around Agile, Waterfall, and Hybrid project approaches. Drawing from years of industry experience and research at Uruk Project Management, Mounir introduces a new way of thinking: one that centers on value, conte...

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What does project success truly mean—and who is responsible for it?

In this insightful episode of the 4PM Podcast, host Mounir Ajam unpacks one of the most misunderstood yet essential concepts in project management: success. From common ambiguities to deeper, systemic truths, this episode explores what success actually looks like, how to define it, and where the project manager fits in.

🔍 Topics Covered:

  • Why “success” is often mi...
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In this powerful episode of the 4PM Podcast, Mounir Ajam explores a question every organization should be asking:
Is project management just a support function—or can it drive real competitive edge?

When organizations mature their project management capabilities, the benefits go far beyond checklists and timelines. Project management becomes faster, leaner, more consistent—and ultimately, more strategic.

Mouni...

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July 8, 2025 9 mins

In this special and personal episode, host Mounir Ajam kicks off a powerful new series exploring his book Vision Realized. Rather than another guide full of PM buzzwords and checklists, this book—and this conversation—is about transformation.

Why is traditional project management falling short? Why are so many organizations missing deadlines, blowing budgets, and failing to deliver true value?

Mounir shares the deeper “why” behind wr...

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June 18, 2025 10 mins

In this thought-provoking episode of the 4PM Podcast, host Mounir Ajam invites listeners to take a fresh look at one of the most well-known yet misunderstood concepts in project management — the Iron Triangle (a.k.a. the Triple Constraints of time, cost, and scope).

Is it a true measure of project success, or have we been using it wrong all along?

🔍 In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • Why the Iron Triangle is a planning and control to...
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In this insightful episode of the 4PM Podcast, host Mounir Ajam shares an exclusive behind-the-scenes look into his upcoming trilogy of books that aim to revolutionize how organizations approach project management.

Drawing from decades of hands-on experience, Mounir explains why traditional project management practices often fall short—and how organizations can shift from chaos to clarity. This episode explores the core concepts of ...

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In this eye-opening episode of the 4PM Podcast, your host Mounir Ajam challenges organizations to take an honest look at their Project Management Maturity. Too often, organizations assume they’re further along the maturity ladder than they really are. But where are you, really? And what can you do about it?

Tune in as we explore:

✅ What Project Management Maturity actually means (hint: it’s more than       just on-time, on-budget del...

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In this thought-provoking episode of the 4PM Podcast, your host Mounir Ajam challenges conventional thinking around the Project Management Office (PMO). While the PMO has long been seen as the pinnacle of project management maturity, Mounir asks a powerful question: What if the PMO is just the beginning, not the end?

Tune in as we explore:

✅ Why the PMO shouldn’t be treated as the ultimate goal
✅ The critical shift from structure...

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Ever feel like the unsung hero in the office, tirelessly managing projects but somehow always overlooked? Step into the spotlight with us as we uncover the hidden battles of project management. With insights into why this essential discipline is often sidelined, we're tearing down the stereotypes and showcasing how vital it is to the success of any organization. From the rise of trendier methodologies to the often-unseen strat...

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Ever wondered why even the most prestigious project management certifications don't always translate into real-world success? Join me, Mounir Ajam, as I unveil the genesis of the Uruk platform and disclose how it's poised to revolutionize the way we manage projects. Our discussion traverses the three transformative principles that underpin the platform, designed to catapult success rates and shatter the industry's re...

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In this episode, we share our thoughts on the Big Picture of Project Management.

We start by sharing our agility, resilience, and agile development story. Here, we discuss the ideas and approaches to developing products, including Big Bang, Iterative, and Incremental Development. 

Then, we offer our counterpoints to some of the myths and narrow thinking associated with waterfall, agile, hybrid, and traditional pro...

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