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We move from a rain-soaked hang with pizza and tarot to a candid unpacking of anxiety, flexibility, and the unexpected tears that come with stretching. Then we cover Moulin Rouge and a love letter to The Crown, Thanksgiving food hot takes, and the line between explanation and accountability for creators.

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Allison Florea

Alex Hinsky

Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Okay, here we are.

SPEAKER_04 (00:01):
Okay, I just have to just- how's the makeup?
Gold kind of coming off, butthat's okay.

SPEAKER_01 (00:08):
Where?
What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 (00:09):
My chin?

SPEAKER_01 (00:10):
Oh, I can't see your chin because the microphone is
blocking it.

SPEAKER_04 (00:13):
Well, we'll keep it that way.

SPEAKER_01 (00:15):
Um, I just want to get this out of the way.

SPEAKER_04 (00:17):
Oh god, what did I do?

SPEAKER_01 (00:19):
No, nothing.
It's a public apology.
Because if you're listening tothis, Josh, I really wanted to
play Overcooked, and I know thatyou got extra controllers so we
could play Overcooked, and wedidn't play Overcooked.

SPEAKER_04 (00:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (00:31):
Instead, you learned about your future.

SPEAKER_04 (00:34):
No, his past.
No, his he did his future.

SPEAKER_01 (00:36):
Yeah, he did like the he asked a question.

SPEAKER_04 (00:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
And I just want to say, I will come over to the
city.
You'll make it right.
I will make it right.

SPEAKER_04 (00:44):
I think we'll actually be good at it.
I do too much.
There he goes.

SPEAKER_01 (00:47):
Here he goes.

SPEAKER_04 (00:48):
Stanley.
You guys heard it last week.
Two minutes in.
He's already taking up.
That's funny.
Well, let me get my obligatoryhair as well.

SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
Your weekly microphone hair.
What a big one.
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05):
Well.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
Well.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19):
Welcome back to the A-list podcast with Allison and
Alex.
I'm Allison.
He's Alex.
Thought we'd just, you know,just get her out of the way.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26):
Right into it, right into it.
Guys, happy Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29):
Happy Thanksgiving in a couple days.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31):
Happy Thanksgiving in a couple days.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33):
I will say I had the time wrong on getting here
today, so we jumped right intoit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41):
She technically, yes, but to her credit, we have
a schedule and a shared notewhere it said 6 p.m.
for you and I.
And then in a text conversation,we had talked about no on on the
phone when we talked.
We'd talked about it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:56):
Okay, because I did go back in the I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:58):
But if you do scroll to the last text I sent you
yesterday, it does say, hey,could you do 5 30?

SPEAKER_04 (02:03):
That's fair.

SPEAKER_01 (02:04):
It doesn't matter.
She's here now, and we are alittle crunched for time, but
it's gonna be great.

SPEAKER_04 (02:08):
I was um charging my car.
You know what?
I walked out of my house like alittle after 4 30.

SPEAKER_01 (02:14):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (02:14):
And I was like, wait, what time do I need to be
there?
And I was like, oh, go check thenote.

SPEAKER_02 (02:18):
Go check the note, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:19):
So I looked at the no and it was six, and I was
like, okay, well, I'm not gonnago back in and like do something
in the house.
So I was like, I'm gonna godrive to Burbank, charge my car,
and then I'm closer to get here.

SPEAKER_01 (02:31):
Which is smart, yes.

SPEAKER_04 (02:34):
But whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
Anyway, we're here now, and that's what matters.

SPEAKER_04 (02:38):
So how's your weekend week?

SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
Well, great.
So Allison hosted a rain partyfor a rain party, which is
really just a rain?

SPEAKER_04 (02:50):
Oh, because it was raining.

SPEAKER_01 (02:51):
It was raining and we were there to party.

SPEAKER_04 (02:53):
Yeah, party.
It was a ch it was a chillhanging.
It was a chill hang.
I was like trying to say that sothat no one like got stressed
about it.

SPEAKER_01 (03:03):
Oh, it's a party, like what?

SPEAKER_04 (03:04):
Like Yeah, like it was just like a everyone
everyone be relaxed.

SPEAKER_01 (03:08):
Yeah.
It was a great time.
Um I love Lucifer's Pizza and Ialways forget.

SPEAKER_04 (03:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
Delicious.

SPEAKER_04 (03:16):
Have you ever had Baronis, the one I other one I
said?

SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
No, I had never heard of it.

SPEAKER_04 (03:20):
That's like I don't know if it's what it's
considered.

unknown (03:25):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (03:25):
It's in the valley somewhere, and Josh um
introduced me to it and it'svery good.
Oh, it's like a little like youwould drive past it and not
think much of it.

SPEAKER_01 (03:35):
Okay.
I do want to try it sometime.

SPEAKER_04 (03:36):
Yeah, I liked it.
It was good.
Cool.
So that was my other one ofthose two.
But we got Lucifers and we hadour tarot bread.
How do you say that?
Is it tarot's?

SPEAKER_01 (03:48):
You had a reading.

SPEAKER_04 (03:49):
Had a reading.
You, Angela, and we playedQuiplash and T-shirt game.
And then we had we did sometarot readings.
And I will say I need to go backand actually listen to um You're
reading with call.
Yes, because I was trying to gothrough and find the past life

(04:11):
thing where he said I was likeroyal a royal man or something.
Because in the reading that umShannon did, yeah, she also said
that I had masculine, likewhatever I leadership, masculine
energy.
So obviously I was KingNicholas.
Oh, right.

SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
Yeah, yeah.
Obviously, it really all makessense.
Yeah.
Does ki does King Nicholas'sstory track with the other
things that she was saying aboutthat life?
Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 (04:42):
Was he a He was killed?

SPEAKER_01 (04:45):
He was killed.

SPEAKER_04 (04:46):
Okay, I gotta go back to your thing you sent me.
Oh, you sent it in this textgroup.

SPEAKER_01 (04:51):
Can I talk about this reading a little bit?
Yeah.
Guys, so the way this readingworks is you lay the you lay
cards out in a very specificorder.
And it's like one, two, three,four, five, six, seven, eight,
nine, ten, eleven, twelve, andthirteen.
Oh no, one.

SPEAKER_04 (05:08):
I sure don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (05:09):
It's like you lay one card, then you lay three,
then three, then one.
That's what it is.

SPEAKER_04 (05:13):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (05:14):
Anyway, Allison hadn't even hardly touched the
deck, and this card flies out ofthe deck and lands.

SPEAKER_04 (05:20):
I did drop the whole deck, too.
So like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (05:24):
This one card though, like you're supposed to
not like you're not supposed to,there's not like a rule to the
way this is done.
It's like you're basically justsupposed to go with the flow.
And if the flow throws a cardout, you're supposed that means
something.
So this card that flies out forAllison is literally like the
anxiety card.
It's like Shana was like, oh,this is fascinating that this

(05:45):
flew out because this is allabout anxiety.
Yeah.
And it was like before the thingeven started, Allison caused the
anxiety card to come out.
And it was just so perfect.

SPEAKER_04 (05:53):
Because after I picked all my cards, she doesn't
know me very well.
So she was like, okay, like tellme a few things about yourself,
and then we'll see how these alllike go into your because she's
not like psychic.
She's not being a psychic.

SPEAKER_01 (06:05):
She's just like interpreting what it is.

SPEAKER_04 (06:07):
So I was like, Well, I'm riddled with anxiety.
And so then she looks at thatone, and it was the eight of
swords, and it says that um,this is your soul car soul not,
the fear of being trapped,paralyzed by anxiety, the
overactive mind.
This pattern didn't start inthis life, it's karmic.
She once obeyed so tightly sheforgot her freedom.

(06:28):
Now, whenever her nervous systemperceives a lack of control, it
reverts to this pattern.
Her path is to see through theillusion of danger.
The cage is mental, not real.
Her soul already knows how tosurvive control, but now she
must learn how to thrive infreedom.
But that's right, yeah, crazyhow that was the anxiety.
Because she I didn't say thatbefore.

SPEAKER_01 (06:49):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (06:49):
She it was when you Yeah, I like had laid them all
out, and then she was like, tellme like a few like key points
because I already told hersomething about dancing, yeah.
Like as we were just likegetting to know each other,
yeah.
But then I was like, Yeah, well,I'm riddled with anxiety, and
she was like, This is crazy.
But no, when I was I was goingback through the recording
trying to find that, and Icouldn't pinpoint it when I

(07:11):
quickly was going it, but I didhear a little snippet where he
said, I don't know if I told youthis, I must have asked him
something about like ourfriendship or being roommates.
I don't know.
Okay, or may I don't know how wehow you were.

SPEAKER_01 (07:28):
I was in Santa Clarita still, right?

SPEAKER_04 (07:30):
Yeah, I was I hadn't moved in with you then.

SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
Yeah, I don't think, or maybe you had just maybe.

SPEAKER_04 (07:35):
Oh, maybe I was like, what has changed in my
life, and uh maybe I said Imoved in with you or something.
But he said that we were likefamily members in a past life.

SPEAKER_01 (07:45):
That tracks.

SPEAKER_04 (07:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (07:47):
Yeah, you didn't tell me that.

SPEAKER_04 (07:48):
I know.
I get must have forgotten thator whatever.
I need to go back and wow,Alison.

SPEAKER_01 (07:53):
That's something that I thought you'd remember
for sure.

SPEAKER_04 (07:55):
I don't know how.

SPEAKER_01 (07:57):
We were family members in a past life.
Yeah, what the hell?

SPEAKER_04 (08:00):
I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
Well, the whole thing experience is so
overwhelming.
You probably definitely leftlike we all did.
Like, overwhelming.

SPEAKER_04 (08:05):
Yeah, yeah.
So I will go back and I hadmeant to actually do it today
and listen to it like it was apodcast so that I could come
with this at knowledge, but Iliterally just remembered it.
So I'll put it on my list to goback and tell you exactly what
he said.
Oh my gosh, I'm so out ofbreath.
I'm so out of breath.
Okay, um, what else?

(08:26):
You were saying your weekend.

SPEAKER_01 (08:28):
Oh, and then Sunday was just a reset day.
I got so much work done aroundthe house, really set up for for
the week, meal prepped, groceryshopped, scheduled my boxing
stuff, and then who am I?
Yesterday I went to the gym andtook boxing.

SPEAKER_04 (08:42):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (08:43):
Yeah, not not amazing.
I am in so much pain.

SPEAKER_04 (08:46):
Oh, yeah.
Well, tomorrow's gonna be worse.

SPEAKER_01 (08:50):
Thank you.
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (08:51):
I just wanted to prepare you.

SPEAKER_01 (08:52):
Tomorrow's gonna be worse.

SPEAKER_04 (08:53):
I just want to prepare you mentally.

SPEAKER_01 (08:54):
Um, and then the only other thing that's kind of
fun is I am borrowing a machineright now.

SPEAKER_03 (08:59):
What?

SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
That is upstairs, and this machine is designed to
stretch your body so that you'reable to be more flexible.
And I am it specifically is likeit opens your legs up for like
the splits.

SPEAKER_04 (09:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (09:15):
And is releasing all like the pressure in your hips.
Sometimes are we gonna startcrying?
The hips hold lots of I listen,I apparently I've never-I wasn't
gonna even say this, but becauseyou said that, I was Did you
cry?
I got I did.

SPEAKER_04 (09:27):
I got like a not out of pain, like out of emotion.

SPEAKER_01 (09:29):
It was emotional, it was like a little bit like the
it was a little painful, butobviously I'm not trying to like
hurt myself.
I want to do this the right way.
So I I unscrewed it a littlebit, but the stretch was so
good, and it was like on thecusp of pain, and then I was
just like overcome with emotion.

SPEAKER_04 (09:45):
That's never happened to me, and I wanted it
to happen to me.

SPEAKER_01 (09:47):
Well, you're way more flexible than me.
I literally if you're watching,here's me how far I can spread
my legs.
Truly, beyond that hurts so bad.
Yeah, so I'm like, no, I can'tbe like they say the key to like
living a long life is remainingflexible.
Like you you have to staylimber, which is why the fitness
marshal in the back of bootywill be living forever.
No, I might no, I'm not livingforever, actually.

SPEAKER_04 (10:12):
Because it's not like I don't know.
You're moving your bodies, sure,but my back is so bad.

SPEAKER_01 (10:18):
Sure, but but you're moving, you're not just like
sitting in a chair.

SPEAKER_04 (10:21):
Your your job is movement, your back and I do
need to also work on myflexibility because I've lost so
much from when I danced, likedance danced, and my lower back
is constantly in pain.
I need to fix that.

SPEAKER_01 (10:36):
It's my sciatic yes, and that is very sciatica?
Sciatica is the condition inwhich yeah.
I look at like Emily hasobviously had a couple
procedures to fix things fromdancers and injuries, but she is
she is older than us.
I'm not gonna say her age on thepod, Emily.
And like I think it's becausethat she dances and danced that

(10:58):
she is so danced and danced,she's a dancer, her vitality is
so high.

SPEAKER_02 (11:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:04):
And it's like that has to be because she moves her
body so much.
And I'm just saying, same goesfor you.
I don't move my body as much, soI have to create scenarios for
it, or we're gonna give thismachine a try.

SPEAKER_04 (11:15):
Well, you have been lately, so you're on the right
track.

SPEAKER_01 (11:18):
And I'm gonna be able to do the splits.

SPEAKER_04 (11:20):
Something you said reminded me of something that I
want to talk about later.

SPEAKER_01 (11:25):
Take me there.

SPEAKER_04 (11:29):
Oh, stretching.
Oh, okay.
Just remember that.
Put a pen in that.
Um, I went to Mulan Rouge onFriday.
We didn't even get to talk aboutit.

SPEAKER_01 (11:38):
And we were in person together.
Oh no, I didn't.
You even said I'm I can't saveit for the pot.
I have to talk to you about ittomorrow.

SPEAKER_04 (11:43):
No, and then we didn't because it just the time
wasn't right.

SPEAKER_01 (11:46):
Okay, tell me.

SPEAKER_04 (11:48):
Okay, it's my first um Pantagesous theater show?
No, it is my first interactionwith Moulin Rouge, the musical.
I have seen the movie like amillion years ago, so I don't
remember every part of it.
It was never my favorite, but Ialso saw it when I was pretty
young, and maybe that was athing.

(12:13):
So I didn't I knew that it was ajukebox musical, but I didn't
really know what I was gettingmyself into.

SPEAKER_01 (12:20):
Like, were you expecting Britney Spears?

SPEAKER_04 (12:23):
Okay, so the difference I've only seen one
other jukebox musical, and itwas the Britney Spears uh Once
Upon a One More Time.

SPEAKER_01 (12:30):
Oh, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 (12:31):
That they didn't end up getting a full run on
Broadway, who only was there forlike two weeks.
Yeah.
But what I think was differentabout that is that Moulin Rouge
was kind of like mid-sentencebreaking out into songs.
Oh, but like not even a fullsong.
Yeah, right.
Just like a line from a song.

(12:52):
And I feel like the once upon aone more time was more like even
if it was mid-sentence, I feellike they did more whole songs.
So it was kind of like, and theywere all Britney Spears songs,
so you kind of liked them all, Iguess, if you're a Britney fan.
And so it was kind of like,here's the musical number.

SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (13:10):
But with Moulin Rouge, it was just like all of a
sudden, ta na.
And I was like a little taken.
I feel like it just took me outof it.
And Josh said the same thing.
I couldn't pinpoint my feeling,but that's what he said at um
Intermission.
He was just like, I feel likeevery time they go into song,

(13:35):
I'm just like so aware that thatsong doesn't actually belong in
this world.

SPEAKER_03 (13:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (13:41):
He hasn't seen the movie Mulan Range.

SPEAKER_01 (13:44):
So he didn't he could it's very different in
that sense.

SPEAKER_04 (13:48):
Yeah, he could tell the songs that were kind of like
movie songs.

SPEAKER_01 (13:53):
Like come looking.

SPEAKER_04 (13:55):
Yeah, because they feel different than a pop song.
Yeah, then Raise Your Glass byPing.
And so he was like, Yeah, someof those songs, like when I
pointed that out, he was like,Yeah, those do feel different.
And but I do agree, like it doeskind of take me out of it.
Um, I don't think it's myfavorite show.

SPEAKER_01 (14:14):
It's what's so funny is this is Megan's exact opinion
of it.
The first one that she loved it.

SPEAKER_04 (14:20):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (14:20):
And now it's the she's seen it the most, I think
over 12 times.

SPEAKER_04 (14:23):
Yeah, I was like, Megan's seen it's her favorite
musical of all time.

SPEAKER_01 (14:27):
She's like, I didn't understand it at the first time.

SPEAKER_04 (14:30):
Okay.
And then I mean I'm open-minded.

SPEAKER_01 (14:32):
She won the lottery or something to go to it again.

SPEAKER_04 (14:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (14:34):
And she was like, and something hit her, and then
she just kept going back.
Then she got to see Jojo in thatrole twice.

SPEAKER_04 (14:40):
I'm so I'm sad about that.
Although the girl that playedSateen, I want to say Saltine so
much.

SPEAKER_01 (14:46):
The girl that played Satine.
Incredible.

SPEAKER_04 (14:47):
I mean, her voice was insane.

SPEAKER_00 (14:50):
Okay, good.

SPEAKER_04 (14:50):
I the guy?
He I think it was his firstperformance because there was an
insert of him that said joiningthe cast.
So either it was just like thatweekend he was joining, or I
mean, I don't know how oftenthey print the playbills.

SPEAKER_03 (15:07):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (15:07):
So he either has only been on a few days or that
was his opening night.

SPEAKER_00 (15:11):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 (15:12):
He was a little, his acting kind of annoyed me, I'm
not gonna lie.
Oof.
Love you if you're listening.

SPEAKER_00 (15:17):
Thank you for watching.
So he had a great voice.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (15:20):
I was just, I don't know, maybe that character's
supposed to be like that.
No, kind of insufferable.

SPEAKER_00 (15:25):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (15:25):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (15:26):
No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 (15:28):
Um, but yeah, I'm open-minded, but it was, it had
I didn't walk away.
There's shows that I've walkedaway from seeing Hamilton,
Spring Awakening, like those, Ilike see it, and I'm like, I'm
obsessed.
I have to consume every bit ofinformation I can about these
shows.
And I walked away being like hadso much fun, great voices, like

(15:52):
dancing was good.
I thought the choreography wasreally great, good performers.
Yeah, but I wasn't like, thishas to be my personality for the
next month.

unknown (16:03):
Fair.

SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
So I don't know.
How much did you pay fortickets?

SPEAKER_04 (16:06):
None.

SPEAKER_01 (16:07):
Oh, they were given to you guys.

SPEAKER_04 (16:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (16:08):
Yeah.
So that makes it even better.
You didn't, it's not like youpaid.

SPEAKER_04 (16:11):
Josh has a friend that um it she's a works for a
school teacher of some kind, andum, she gets she buys a certain
amount of tickets a year to takethe kids to watch.

SPEAKER_01 (16:29):
I see, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (16:30):
So whenever she has extras, she invites friends.
Oh, that's nice.

SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
Cool.

SPEAKER_04 (16:38):
Um What did you do on Sunday?

SPEAKER_01 (16:43):
Post party.

SPEAKER_04 (16:46):
Oh, nothing.
I just read my new book, whichis my next thing.
You're you're gonna be late,you're gonna make fun of this
one too.

SPEAKER_01 (16:54):
I'm sure it's if it was the pumpkin screen.
Oh no, it's not a part of that.
Oh, it's not?

SPEAKER_04 (16:58):
No, I I'm putting that to rest for a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 (17:01):
It because it was definitely gonna be like the
gingerbread hotel.

SPEAKER_04 (17:03):
No, the next one is the Christmas tree farm, which I
do want to read in December.

SPEAKER_01 (17:08):
Oh, okay.
But are you reading a themedbook right now?

SPEAKER_04 (17:12):
Yeah.
It's a new smut series.
Series, yeah.
It's called Direbound.

SPEAKER_01 (17:19):
Like a wolf?
Yes.
Oh, God.

SPEAKER_04 (17:22):
So the premise so far is it's I don't know, it's
the same kind of thing.
You could be like, oh, it kindof feels like the Hunger Games.
It kind of feels like Twilight,yeah.
Where there's like a poor girland her her sister gets
kidnapped by I think vampires,but we haven't gotten there yet.

(17:43):
Okay.
But I think that they'revampires.

SPEAKER_02 (17:45):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (17:46):
That's a whole side story that hasn't been like
delved into yet.
Her sister gets kidnapped, andshe's like, I have to join the
military to go join the frontlines where there is a war
happening with this other, Ithink the vampire world.

SPEAKER_01 (18:03):
Okay.
Are you just not there yet?

SPEAKER_04 (18:06):
I'm not there to that part yet.
But like, she's like, I have theonly way for me to get there is
for me to join the military.

SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
Is this a Kindle read?

SPEAKER_04 (18:13):
No, I have a physical book.

SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
Oh, it's a real book book.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (18:16):
And she is like, okay, I she on a whim is just
like, I'm doing I'm doing it.
I joined the military.
And then her boyfriend who likeworks at the castle is like, oh
my gosh, why did you do that?
Like you really screwed yourselfbecause this is, you know, this
of all times is the one timethat they're making all the

(18:37):
military recruits compete inthis I don't know, fight to the
death to um see who bonds with adire wolf.

unknown (18:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (18:48):
And then the people who bond with a dire wolf then
become like the big the highestpeople in the military.
And they have to race up thismountain.
And if they survive, then thethe wolves might bond with them.
If they don't, then they justbecome regular military people.
But a lot of people like die onthe way up because it's a steep
climb.

SPEAKER_00 (19:08):
Alright, well.

SPEAKER_04 (19:10):
So that had that's like an element that was in the
Avatar series.
There is like this like mountainclimb that is death.

SPEAKER_01 (19:18):
Are the worlds col connected?
No.
Is it by I just think at themore Q Mass or whatever?

SPEAKER_04 (19:24):
J.
No, this is by Sarah something.

SPEAKER_01 (19:27):
Sarah Mass?
No, is that her name?

SPEAKER_04 (19:30):
Um, Sarah J.
Mass.
Oh, this girl is like somethingsorenson, but no, they're not
the same.
But maybe just all these booksare the same.
I don't know.
This is only my no, this is Iguess my third book of the type.
Anyway, she obviously gets a awolf, because duh.

SPEAKER_03 (19:50):
Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (19:50):
And so that's kind of where I am.
So we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 (19:53):
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (19:54):
But it's all to save her sister.

SPEAKER_01 (19:56):
What a process just to save your sister.

SPEAKER_04 (19:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (19:59):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (20:00):
So we'll see.
It was pretty slow until therace up the mountain, and then
it picked up a little bit.
So we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 (20:07):
Okay, wow.

SPEAKER_04 (20:09):
But that's that.
Okay, I have to talk about this.
Last night, uh, Josh and Iwatched the movie The
Materialist.

SPEAKER_00 (20:16):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (20:17):
Which is my girl Dakota Johnson.
Yeah, we know.
And then it has Chris Evans andPedro Pascal.
Stacked group of people.
I didn't really know much aboutit other than she's a matchmaker
in it.
And I thought, cool.
The actual worst movie I've everseen in my life.
And it pains me to say thatbecause you know I love her so

(20:38):
much.
It was really bad.
It's honestly Madam Webb andthen this.

SPEAKER_01 (20:43):
Whoa.

SPEAKER_04 (20:44):
For her.
Really bad.
The whole movie was whoeverwrote this was so hated men,
which whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (20:55):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (20:56):
But like really did and really hated short men and
really hated um men who don'tmake a lot of money.

SPEAKER_02 (21:03):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 (21:03):
Really obsessed with like Dakota's character was
like, I have to marry a richman.

SPEAKER_02 (21:08):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (21:09):
She's she's the matchmaker.
But then it was like all ofthese women who were like, I
cannot date a short man, theyhave to be tall, which I know
like is a thing that happens,but it was so it was talked
about every few minutes.
Oh, and we were like, What iswhat is the obsession here?
Like it was so weird.
Um, but just like uh a reallyboring movie.

SPEAKER_01 (21:33):
Wow, so glad I haven't watched it.

SPEAKER_04 (21:34):
I know, I feel bad.

SPEAKER_01 (21:36):
That's on your D list of the week.

SPEAKER_04 (21:39):
Literally.
That's funny.
So if anyone's watched it,please let me know your
thoughts.
But I almost want you to watchit just for the commentary.

SPEAKER_01 (21:47):
I'm gonna have to add it to the list because I'm
already watching something elsethat you're gonna be stoked
about.

SPEAKER_02 (21:52):
What?

SPEAKER_01 (21:53):
Well, is that is that an appropriate transition?

SPEAKER_02 (21:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:56):
Great.
I'm finally watching, likeactually watching on episode six
of The Crown.

SPEAKER_04 (22:04):
Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:05):
Boyfriend is as obsessed with the royals as you.
I think I mentioned that when wewere at your house, but like it
is very serious for him.
He gives me the cutest almostdaily updates.

SPEAKER_04 (22:16):
Oh, on the royal family?
Yes.
I need to know his thoughts onMegan and Harry.

SPEAKER_01 (22:21):
Well, he loves Megan.
He loves Megan.

SPEAKER_04 (22:26):
But like to a fault, like, is he just like anything
she does is fine, or does hecriticize maybe her choices
here?
Because she does make some theymake questions about it.

SPEAKER_01 (22:35):
I'd love to talk to you about this.
Okay.
I'm sure he would have opinions,but I don't know what questions
to ask.

SPEAKER_04 (22:40):
From a PR perspective, I do want to know
why they do some of the thingsthey do.

SPEAKER_01 (22:44):
Yeah.
Like I saw that they there werephotos of them at the Kardashian
party, and then they had themremoved.

SPEAKER_04 (22:51):
Yeah.
And the explanation is we didn'tconsent to these.
Right.
And then Kim's team, theKardashian team was like, there
was no consent for this.
But I was listening to someoneand they were like, I wonder if
they were filming for the show.

SPEAKER_02 (23:05):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (23:06):
And then they were, they were like, We don't
consent, we don't want to be onthe show.
And then maybe they just thoughtthat meant they weren't gonna be
in pictures either.

unknown (23:14):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (23:14):
But it's like we already saw the pictures.

SPEAKER_03 (23:16):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (23:16):
And you we know you were there.
You were paparazzi.

SPEAKER_00 (23:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (23:20):
So like you can't go back on that.

SPEAKER_00 (23:22):
No, no.

SPEAKER_04 (23:23):
So what is it?
Did you not like the pictures ofyourself?

SPEAKER_01 (23:26):
Do you not like being associated with the
Karashians for someone?

SPEAKER_04 (23:30):
Then you can't go.

SPEAKER_01 (23:31):
So that's interesting.

SPEAKER_04 (23:33):
Yeah, I need to know.

SPEAKER_01 (23:34):
Anyway, yes, he's obsessed with them.
He was like, The crown.

SPEAKER_04 (23:38):
The first season of the crown is my favorite.
It was my favorite.

SPEAKER_01 (23:40):
Well, it's very good.

SPEAKER_04 (23:42):
I was like, first episode, I was like, okay, I
think the first is the firstepisode when like she becomes
queen and they're in Africa.

SPEAKER_01 (23:49):
And no episode doesn't happen to like the
third.

SPEAKER_04 (23:51):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (23:52):
It it was like the third episode, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (23:54):
Yeah, that was so cool too.

SPEAKER_01 (23:56):
That was actually might have been the second
episode.
Whatever.
It it was I was hooked.
I was like, okay, Claire Foy.

SPEAKER_04 (24:02):
Wow, Allison.
She looks just like my grandma,which is so weird.
Like my grandma is a youngperson, looks just like Claire
Foy.

SPEAKER_00 (24:08):
Well, that's cool.

SPEAKER_04 (24:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:09):
And I love the proper British accent.

SPEAKER_04 (24:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:12):
Father.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 (24:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:14):
I'm enjoying it.

SPEAKER_04 (24:16):
I did fall off, I'm not gonna lie.
I watched, I'm not haven't seenthe most recent season.
I kind of fell off in the umDiana season.
So the I think the season beforethe first Diana season, I kind
of like maybe midway kind offell off.
And then I tried to just likecatch up and start the Diana

(24:36):
season.
Oh, and so I did, but then Ididn't watch the second one.

SPEAKER_01 (24:40):
Well, I'm into it, and I love that it's done, so we
can just like binge it and thenhave a show.
Um I'll keep reporting back onit.
So far, um I was like, here'swhat it's doing for me it's
showing like you had me watchthat documentary.
So I actually know a lot offacts about I don't remember.
It was like a three-part seriesabout the royals because I knew

(25:04):
about her sister and the scandalwith having the affair.
Like, I knew that stuff becauseof this show you had me watch.
So it stuck.

SPEAKER_04 (25:10):
I don't even remember.

SPEAKER_01 (25:11):
What that show didn't the documentary didn't do
that.
This is doing is showing thatthey actually have
personalities.

SPEAKER_04 (25:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (25:17):
Because like everything you see, they're just
like we're in bread.
You know, it's like what's goingon.

SPEAKER_04 (25:22):
That's what they have to present.

SPEAKER_01 (25:23):
This like very also to also learn that it's like
political theater, that's whatChad called it.
I was like, that's exactly whatit is.
It's like this isn't real, yeah.
It's like real, but the personwith the real authority is the
prime minister.

SPEAKER_04 (25:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (25:40):
Which is wild.

SPEAKER_04 (25:41):
Yeah.
So anyway, it is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (25:43):
I'm fascinated.
It's like I'm starting to getit.
I'm getting a little bit of thebug.

SPEAKER_04 (25:47):
Yeah, I'm so excited for you.

SPEAKER_01 (25:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (25:48):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (25:50):
When I get closer to where you left, dropped off, you
should jump back in.

SPEAKER_04 (25:54):
I know, but now I kind of forget things.

SPEAKER_01 (25:57):
We'll go back.

SPEAKER_04 (25:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (25:58):
Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 (25:59):
Anyway.
I'm really happy about that.

SPEAKER_01 (26:01):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 (26:02):
So this week is Thanksgiving.
I know last year we did like abunch of Thanksgiving stuff.
I think that we don't need to dothat again.

unknown (26:10):
I think we're good.

SPEAKER_04 (26:11):
I'm going home.

SPEAKER_01 (26:12):
Oh yeah.
What day?
Oh yeah.
You're going home.
That will be nice.

SPEAKER_04 (26:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:17):
Both see, are you seeing like mom's family, dad's
family, boyfriend's family?
Cute.

SPEAKER_04 (26:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:23):
I'm gonna be going to Bupa de Bepo.
I can never say it.

SPEAKER_04 (26:27):
Buka de Beppo?

SPEAKER_01 (26:28):
Buka whoa.
First word?

SPEAKER_04 (26:30):
Buka?

SPEAKER_01 (26:31):
Oh, it's not Bupa.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (26:32):
No, B-U-C-A.

SPEAKER_01 (26:33):
Buka.
D-I.
De Beppo.
Bepo.
Boopa de Bepo.
Bupa de Bepo.
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (26:39):
Buca de bepo.

SPEAKER_01 (26:41):
Oh, buca.
Why can I not say that?

SPEAKER_04 (26:43):
I don't know.
Did you not go there after allyour dance competitions like I
did?

SPEAKER_01 (26:46):
I've never been to a Buka de Beppo.
There, I did it.

SPEAKER_04 (26:49):
We always went to that after dance competitions
because it was it's familystyle.

SPEAKER_01 (26:53):
So it's like It is?

SPEAKER_04 (26:55):
I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
Oh, that must be why we're but that's boyfriend.

SPEAKER_04 (26:59):
It's Italian though.

SPEAKER_01 (27:00):
It's Italian.

SPEAKER_04 (27:00):
It's not Thanksgiving food.

SPEAKER_01 (27:02):
No, I don't like Thanksgiving food, so this is
fine with you.

SPEAKER_04 (27:04):
Forget that every year, I guess.
You don't like turkey, but youyou also don't like sides?

SPEAKER_01 (27:09):
Like stuffing's okay.

SPEAKER_04 (27:11):
Mac and cheese?
Mashed potatoes?

SPEAKER_01 (27:13):
Mac and cheese is literally a corn casserole.
What do we no corn casserole?

SPEAKER_04 (27:17):
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (27:18):
Green bean casserole, I could do without.
Like it's not a good thing.
I do like pumpkin pie.

SPEAKER_04 (27:22):
But pumpkin pie.

SPEAKER_01 (27:24):
Go in there, me, boyfriend, boyfriend's mom, and
Shannon.

SPEAKER_04 (27:27):
Cute.

SPEAKER_01 (27:28):
Happy Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_04 (27:30):
Happy Thanksgiving.
I am excited for Thanksgivingfood, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 (27:35):
Midwest Thanksgiving food's different.

SPEAKER_04 (27:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:38):
And you're gonna be great.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Like that's different.
And my Thanksgiving's back home.
There was always a ham option.

SPEAKER_04 (27:45):
Ours too.
My grand my grandparents, Imean, not with really with my
like mom and sister cooking.
Um with my grandparents, therewas always there was a ham or
turtle.

SPEAKER_01 (27:55):
Love a ham.
Love a Christmas ham, love aThanksgiving ham.

SPEAKER_04 (27:58):
Yeah.
Well, macaroni.
My mom was like, what do youwant?
He and I was like, I want thetraditional foods.

SPEAKER_03 (28:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (28:07):
I'm not we're not all going alternative here.
We're having mac and cheese.
We're having mashed potatoes,we're having corn casserole,
like I said, turkey, we'rehaving Hawaiian rolls so we can
make a sandwich.

SPEAKER_01 (28:18):
There you go.
The sandwich every year I hearabout this sandwich.
What you do is you take aHawaiian roll.

SPEAKER_04 (28:26):
Yeah, but do you Yeah, the cranberry sauce.

SPEAKER_01 (28:28):
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah.
Um, you didn't mention greenbean casserole.
Do you not care either?

SPEAKER_04 (28:33):
I will have it if it's there, but I that's one I
don't care that much about.

SPEAKER_01 (28:37):
What about traditional baked beans?

SPEAKER_04 (28:40):
That's not a Thanksgiving food to me.

SPEAKER_01 (28:46):
The very subtle.

SPEAKER_04 (28:49):
Yeah, that's just a regular food.
You could have that in July.

SPEAKER_01 (28:53):
Traditional Thanksgiving baked beans.

SPEAKER_04 (28:56):
Is that something you had?
No, baked beans are like acookout meal.

SPEAKER_01 (29:02):
It's like you have hot dogs and baked beans and
chips and baked beans, but I'mtalking about traditional
Thanksgiving beans.

SPEAKER_04 (29:08):
Does that mean you're gonna die?
What is a tradition like uhEnglish, like British?
That wouldn't be Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_01 (29:17):
That would bangers and mash?
No.
Guys, chime in.
Allison, we're gonna I thinkyou're pulling my leg.
I don't think so.
I think everyone let us know inthe comments about your favorite
traditional Thanksgiving bakedbeans.

SPEAKER_04 (29:31):
Please.
I saw a story on page six.

SPEAKER_00 (29:34):
Tell me.

SPEAKER_04 (29:35):
Kind of sad, but kind of beautiful.
Get out of my there's a ad thatwon't go away.
Twin entertainers, Alice andEllen Kessler, die by assisted
suicide at 89.

SPEAKER_01 (29:48):
So I didn't see the assisted suicide part.
I just saw that they passedtogether.

SPEAKER_04 (29:53):
Assisted suicide.

SPEAKER_01 (29:54):
Both of them.

SPEAKER_04 (29:55):
Do we do you know them?
I don't know them.
I don't know.
I think they're German.

SPEAKER_01 (29:58):
But they are sisters and they wanted to go together.

SPEAKER_04 (30:00):
They remind me of um the movie White Christmas,
Sisters Sisters.
Like they have these matchingdresses and all of their photos.
Here's a couple of things.

SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
Was one healthier than the other?
Like, what happened?

SPEAKER_04 (30:14):
Like how cute.

SPEAKER_01 (30:16):
That is cute.
Did you read about why?

SPEAKER_04 (30:18):
Yes, I will get it to you.

SPEAKER_01 (30:21):
Sorry, you're trying to show the cute stuff.
And they are.

SPEAKER_04 (30:24):
Allison Alan Kessler, also known as the
Kessler twins, died by assistedsuicide on Monday.
The sisters were 89.
Local police confirmed to CNN onTuesday that there was a
deployment yesterday lunchtimein Gruenwald.
There is a fly fly in here, andthat's ruined my night.

unknown (30:40):
Just kidding.

SPEAKER_04 (30:42):
Um assisted suicide has been legal in Germany since
2019.
The outlet reported that morethan a year ago, Alice and Ellen
contacted the German Society forHumane Dying, an advocacy
advocacy organization thatprovides access to lawyers and
doctors to become members.

(31:05):
So it goes on to say like theydid all of their psychological
evaluations, like and they werecleared to like make this,
they're of sound mind and bodyto make this decision.
And um they had been consideringthis option for some time.
They had been members of theorganization for over a year.
A lawyer and a doctor conductedpreliminary discussions with

(31:28):
them.

SPEAKER_02 (31:29):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (31:31):
So the idea um they're quoted to say that the
idea one of us might get itfirst is very hard to bear.
They want to go together on thesame day.

SPEAKER_03 (31:40):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (31:40):
So I think that they were just I don't know if they
had any illnesses that maybewere like the the end is near,
or if they were just like we'reready to go.

SPEAKER_01 (31:54):
I hope it's an illness because like I would at
least wait till I'm 90.
They're so close.

SPEAKER_04 (31:59):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Um I put up their Wikipedia justto see maybe what some stuff
they did.
They are German.
The girls started belly classesat the age of six.

SPEAKER_01 (32:14):
Did they never marry and it was just them?
Sister, sister?

SPEAKER_04 (32:18):
Sister, sister?
I don't know.
This is like their um celebritypage, if you will.

SPEAKER_00 (32:27):
Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (32:28):
They represented West Germany in the Eurovision
song contest in 1959, finishingin eighth place.

SPEAKER_01 (32:35):
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 (32:39):
They performed on the Ed Sullivan show.

SPEAKER_01 (32:42):
Now that's a name.

SPEAKER_04 (32:48):
Yeah, I think they were probably much more famous
in Europe.

SPEAKER_01 (32:53):
Yeah, but it's a compelling story.

SPEAKER_04 (32:55):
Yeah.
What are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_01 (32:58):
Uh, that I think that that's really beautiful in
a lot of ways.

SPEAKER_04 (33:02):
Yeah, I mean it's hard to wrap your mind around.
If you if you have a terminalillness, I think it's a much
easier decision to make.
Yeah.
Um and I guess like for thembeing twins, they probably, you
know.

SPEAKER_01 (33:16):
Yeah have it.

SPEAKER_04 (33:18):
It's like different than my my sister and I are six
years apart.

SPEAKER_01 (33:21):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (33:22):
That would might be weird.

SPEAKER_01 (33:23):
They did everything together.
All the their life and theircareer was together.

SPEAKER_04 (33:26):
In the womb, the womb to the dirt.
What?

SPEAKER_01 (33:31):
The grave.
Yeah.
The womb to the grave.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (33:35):
It is pretty sad but beautiful.
Yeah.
Something else sad.
Good segue.

SPEAKER_02 (33:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (33:44):
You guys, it pains me to say.
Jenna and Julian.
Jenna's J Jenna Marbles.
Yeah.
Her husband Julian.
Solomita.
Julian announced that marbles isin the late last stages of his
life.
I don't know what if that meansthey've been given a maybe a
timeline, or if they are maybedeciding again on a maybe a day

(34:08):
that they're gonna put him down.
This is so sad.
I'm so sorry.
Um, but that's so sad.

SPEAKER_01 (34:14):
For those that don't know, Jenna Marbles, famous
YouTuber who famously left theinternet to for her mental
health and we support, had twoof the hugest dogs in all of her
videos, Kermit and Marbles.

SPEAKER_04 (34:26):
And they do have Peach, but she came later.
Marbles was with her from theoriginal Barstool days, like
2000.

SPEAKER_01 (34:32):
Forever ago.

SPEAKER_04 (34:33):
What, like nine or something?
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:35):
Um Kermit is an Italian greyhound, right?

SPEAKER_04 (34:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:39):
Is Marbles a Chihuahua?

SPEAKER_04 (34:40):
Yes.
Yeah.
He's 17 years old.

SPEAKER_01 (34:42):
I was gonna say he's gotta be near 20.

SPEAKER_04 (34:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:45):
That is really sad.

SPEAKER_04 (34:46):
I know.
Um, I wonder if she'll make anyif she'll like maybe post a
picture or do something in theinternet because for the fans.
Yeah, because that dog, theirdogs, especially marbles, but
also and Kermit.
Kermit were such a big part oftheir content.
And I feel like everyone feltlike they knew everything that

(35:10):
was going on with the dogs.
Like anytime there was like theyhad to go to the vet for
something, like they alwaysupdated the fans, and it's just
like a very wholesome It is.
It was a very wholesome part oftheir content.
And so I wonder if she'll atleast like maybe make an
Instagram post or make a shortlittle video.
I don't know.
Because it's like, I don't know,because since she's been gone

(35:32):
from the internet for how manyyears now?
Like five?

SPEAKER_01 (35:36):
Yes, feels like a long time.

SPEAKER_04 (35:37):
The only time the dogs have really been seen is
every once in a while.
Julian is a Twitch streamer, heplays games.
Yeah, every once in a while hewill show one of the dogs on
stream, or and he would giveperiodic updates from what I saw
to be like, you know, stillkicking, or you know, we had to
go to the vet for this, blahblah blah.

(35:58):
So yeah, that's what he said.
And he was like crying on hisstream, so that makes me think
they've either been given amaybe he has a cancer or
something, and they've beengiven like a pretty small
timeline, or maybe they're likehis organs are shutting down.
Like you guys probably shouldthink about what you're gonna

(36:19):
do.
So this leads me to think as Iwas driving over here.
Should I see a pet medium?

SPEAKER_01 (36:27):
Wait.

SPEAKER_04 (36:28):
To speak to Macy, right?

SPEAKER_01 (36:29):
Do that's what they do, they talk to pets beyond.

SPEAKER_04 (36:32):
There's pet psychics that I think like you could have
Stanley and they could tell youwhat Stanley's thinking, but
then they have pet mediums.

SPEAKER_01 (36:42):
Yes, I would.

SPEAKER_04 (36:43):
They could contact her.

SPEAKER_01 (36:44):
What amount of money would you spend on that?

SPEAKER_04 (36:47):
I don't know because I don't know if it's real or
not.

SPEAKER_01 (36:50):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (36:50):
I feel like I feel like it's been like a couple
hundred, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 (36:53):
That would make for great content.

SPEAKER_04 (36:55):
If if I saw this person had reviews, uh you know
what I mean?
Like if I I had intel that thiswas a people have had positive
situations like this, I don'tknow because you know me and my
relationship with the afterlifeand ghosts and paranormal, I
don't really know than Ibelieve.

SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
Right.
You've not had an experiencelike me, correct?

SPEAKER_04 (37:20):
Yeah, so uh I don't know, yeah, but I was like, I
was thinking about marbles and Iwas thinking about Macy over
here, and like this time of yearis so cozy and cute, and like I
am more sad at this time ofyear, and also because like what
I think September is when I hadto put her down, like early

(37:41):
September.
So like I feel like the fall iskind of just like sad for me.
And I was like, hmm, should Itry to contact her beyond the
grave?

SPEAKER_01 (37:50):
I mean, I would love to know.

SPEAKER_04 (37:52):
And I feel like if I do that, I feel like you have to
be with me, and then I obviouslyhave to film it.
So then because you won'tremember.
I won't remember.
Nope.
And you you knew her well.
Yes.
So I feel like if I bring you tohelp me film and then also you
could experience with me becauseI'd go corroborate the stories
too.

(38:12):
So if anyone listening haseither dealt with the Pat Medium
or have any recommendations, canyou drop a link, please?
Let me know.
I don't know, like it kind ofscares me, but also like I want
to talk to her, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (38:24):
Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_04 (38:25):
The only thing I have is the big drama of the day
of the couple last couple days.

SPEAKER_02 (38:32):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (38:33):
Is the interview on Raven Simone Raven Simone's
podcast, Tea Time.
Why haven't we?

SPEAKER_01 (38:41):
Of course, this is what I want to talk about.
I listened to the whole thing.

SPEAKER_04 (38:43):
You did?
This fly is.

SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
You're talking about with Miranda.

SPEAKER_04 (38:46):
Yeah, with Colleen Bowser.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (38:49):
How is there even a fly alive?

SPEAKER_04 (38:51):
Yeah, it's winter.
It's probably because it's beenin here and had babies or
something.
Yeah, well.
Okay, so you watched the wholething.

SPEAKER_01 (38:58):
I watched the whole thing.
Sorry, I listened.

unknown (39:01):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (39:02):
Well, did you have thoughts before I have thoughts?

SPEAKER_04 (39:04):
I have a lot of thoughts.
So maybe you start.

SPEAKER_01 (39:07):
Okay, I will start by saying I was not a Miranda
Sings fan.

SPEAKER_04 (39:11):
That's why I want to go second, because I was.

SPEAKER_01 (39:13):
Got it.
I did watch the Netflix showthough.

SPEAKER_04 (39:16):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (39:17):
When it came out, because I don't know, my ex was
watching it.
Um I only knew about one of thecontroversies going into this.
I just knew there was a lot ofstuff, but the only thing I knew
was the the underage kid pullingCheetos out of her pants on
stage.
So I didn't know about the likesgiving the lingerie to a fan and

(39:42):
all that, but I will say theinterview, Miranda and Raven did
a good job.
I'm having an allergic reaction.
They did a good job balancing,like supporting her in like
speaking and not making her likemaking her they did a great job
making her feel comfortable, butalso like asking a hard

(40:04):
question.
Yeah in a way that wasn't likeaccusatory, sounding like they
did a good job.

SPEAKER_04 (40:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (40:09):
But like it was wild, and to hear all of the
allegations then and then haveher speak on them.
I I don't know, I kind of agreewith this falls in the category,
in my opinion, like how you'relike how you say, like, can we
not like when you have saidyou're against cancel culture in
a lot of ways, because it's likeif people amend for what they've

(40:30):
done and it really was like alearning experience, can we not
give them a second chance?
I do feel like the odds werestacked against her in multiple
ways, and it's like, yes, theywere bad decisions, but it was
like she was set up to makethese bad decisions in a way
that's like, well, yeah, whenyour whole team isn't saying
anything, yeah, then you havethe wrong people in your corner.

SPEAKER_04 (40:53):
Yeah.
I think my problem is that thereare so many things that it's
kind of like one thing okay, badjudgment.
Second thing, all right.
I think that she was just makinga lot of bad decisions, and she

(41:16):
wasn't I think that the problemis that she never has really
apologized, even on the Oh, shesaid that.
But but then she didn't.
Like all she said when Raven wassaid something about people just
want an apology, she was like,they do, and I am sorry, but
it's like, okay, you said thatbecause she prompted you, and
you still haven't made a anapology directly to the the

(41:41):
victims or the people that havemade the allegations against
you, and you're kind she wasstill trying to explain herself
out of it, even though she waslike, I do acknowledge that
these things were bad and I wasso stupid for doing it, but then
kind of in the same breath, shewas like, but let me tell you
why.
And I think that people wouldrespect her more if she was

(42:04):
like, You're right, that waswrong, I shouldn't have done
that, and I'm so sorry for that.
Bull stop.

SPEAKER_01 (42:11):
Yes, I think the editing that's not great as a
cut down because she never wentinto detail until Miranda was
like, Can you walk us throughwhat happened and what what was
your thought process behindthat?
And so then she would.
She'd be like, Yeah, it was thissketch that I did for years, and
then it should have progressedwhen my fan base progressed.

(42:33):
Because I also didn't know thather the original comedy of
Miranda is rated R.
Like she was like, I wasperforming in comedy clubs to
gay men, like it was like notfor kids.

SPEAKER_04 (42:42):
So this is kind of where I've have, I don't think
we talked about this at allbecause I think this happened
right before maybe we startedthe podcast.
It was like in 2023, I think.

SPEAKER_03 (42:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (42:51):
Um, and so I don't think we ever really talked
about it.
But I discovered her in thoseearly days where it was like we
didn't know that she was it wasa character.

SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
Yeah, like that she said there was a good bit of
time on YouTube where peoplethought she was serious.

SPEAKER_04 (43:07):
I was a part of that.

SPEAKER_01 (43:08):
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (43:09):
And I Reagan and I would send the videos back and
forth to each other, and wewould be like, This is crazy.
What like what is happeninghere?
And then once everyone startedto realize that it was a
character, then it was the uh itwas this funny thing that we
would imitate her to.
We would do the voice, and wewere in probably I was probably

(43:30):
freshman in college orsomething.
Like I was an adult, yeah, andthe the jokes were adult.
And so I didn't think anythingof it because I didn't know all
of my friends that also knew whoshe was were adults, and I went
to a live show probably in 2009,dressed up in you know, red

(43:54):
sweats and a purple sweatshirt,the lipstick did the thing.
Like I never thought anythingnegative because there was no
kids on stage at the time.
She wasn't doing that yogachallenge thing at the time,
that was much later.
So it was kind of just like herinitial thing of singing off key
and whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (44:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (44:15):
And so like it was like I remember we would look up
videos.
There's a video of her andAriana Grande singing Take Me or
Leave Me in a um very famousBroadway club where um hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (44:31):
Was she singing it as Miranda?
Yeah.
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 (44:34):
And because I think the first person that kind of
platformed her is the guy thatowns, oh my god, you would
totally know the name of thisclub.
The bird, the bird, somethingabout a bird room, or I don't
know.
It's a it's a big New York clubwith like a piano where kind of
people go that are singers orBroadway stars, and they it's
kind of that thing where likesomeone just starts singing, and

(44:54):
you know what I mean?
Like she was she was going thereregularly, and there was always
videos, fan videos of her, yeah,performing with Ariana Grande,
like all these big people,Broadway stars.
And when all this stuff startedcoming out, even when later on,

(45:15):
when I was much older, andsorry, this fly and you could
tell that the audience becamewas becoming younger.
Yeah, I guess I still wasn'teven thinking about it at the
time because I was like, yeah,this is how it's always been.

SPEAKER_01 (45:32):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (45:33):
Now, looking back, and I was kind of tapped out by
the time this stuff kind ofhappened with the 16-year-old on
stage with doing the yogachallenge.
Like that was that is bad.
Like, that is crazy.
She should have said, I'm sorry,you know, only pick people out
of the audience.
That that's a thing.
Um, when you go do in Vegas,when you do um the male strip

(45:56):
show, Magic Mike, yeah, theywill not pull you up on stage if
you aren't wearing pants.
So you have to know when you gothere if you are hoping to be
pulled, if you're a bride orwhatever, you have to know if I
I have to wear pants this nightbecause they won't bring me on
stage if I don't.

SPEAKER_01 (46:12):
If that's what you want.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (46:14):
And that is something everyone around her
and herself should have beenlike, Yeah.
No, sorry, we'll send you homewith you know some swag.
Sorry, we can't have you dothis.
We need someone else.

SPEAKER_03 (46:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (46:28):
That should be should have been common sense.

SPEAKER_03 (46:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (46:31):
And and what she and Raven both said, like she was
doing it for the laugh.
I do believe that that's what iswhat she was doing.
For sure.
And the Netflix show was 100%adult.
Yeah, it was PG 13 for sure.
Crazy.
And I do the I I do agree thatshe just didn't think to evolve

(46:53):
the stuff.
She was like, This is how it'salways been.
The uncles have have has alwaysbeen creepy, and that's how we
created this character.

SPEAKER_01 (47:00):
She said that at one point when she did the first
time she realized it was becausea mom after a show came up to
her and was like, hey, like, youcan't be showing those graphics
in the beginning.
Because she used to do thatsegment where she would read the
mean things people said abouther.
And it was like F-bombs andstuff, and she would read them.

SPEAKER_00 (47:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (47:16):
And then she was like, Whoa, I didn't even hadn't
even considered there's kidshere.
So then they changed the wholethat whole format to be more.
No, they didn't change it.
She said that they just she justbleeped it.

SPEAKER_04 (47:27):
Or she just like marked it.

SPEAKER_01 (47:27):
She bleeped it out and then they put a rating on
the show.
It was like, this show is PG 13.
You need to know like there'ssome adult content in this.

SPEAKER_04 (47:35):
Yeah.
Which is fine.
Like that.

SPEAKER_01 (47:36):
That's progress.
But again, it shouldn't takelike a problem.
No.
Or after that one, by the way,that being the first time when
before that was the first thingbefore all the all the shit hit
the fan.
That's when your team should belocked in and be like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (47:49):
Yeah.
But she also knew, I think, Ibelieve that she was catering to
the younger audience a littlebit because I saw some uh
thumbnails being talked about onthe H3 podcast as they were kind
of going through and pickingapart the podcast.
So many of her thumbnails werelike clearly to get like younger

(48:16):
people to watch.
There was like back to schoolcrafts, there was like Jojo
Bows.
Like she's friends with Jojo,fine, but like you know who's
searching for Jojo Bows onYouTube?
Kids.
Yeah.
So there's also an element thatI'm kind of like, I can't, I
kind of can't make excuses foryou anymore because some of
these things you were doing.

SPEAKER_01 (48:37):
Well, she blurred the lines and then had no
boundaries.

SPEAKER_04 (48:40):
Yeah.
And and I do, I do believe thatthat first group of YouTubers,
they were the blueprint.
They had nothing to go beforethem.
And she did talk about that.
And so she just they were justmaking up the rules.
And unfortunately, she gotcaught up in I want to be, I

(49:01):
don't want to lose a singlesubscriber for anything I do.
So I'm just gonna keep doingexactly what I'm doing and make
sure everyone is happy and youknow I'm catering to everyone,
but in that vein, she didn'tthink about the repercussions of
not evolving that content.

(49:23):
Now, in regards to theunderwear, I don't believe that
it was a sexual thing orwhatever.
It was it was I probably waswatching that stream, to be
honest, because I would watchthose giveaways and like uh
stuff she would do.

(49:44):
I don't know.
There's just there's so much tounpack.
We have the the underwear thing.
Clearly that's bad, and I thinkshe should have just said that
was wrong.
I was wrong to have done that, Ishould have known better, and
I'm sorry to him.
Yeah, she should like all theexplaining she was doing about
well, it was a joke, and heasked a bunch of times, doesn't
matter.
Right, he was a minor, yeah, itdoesn't matter how many times he

(50:07):
asked, you should have said no.
Yep, I'll send you a signedpostcard.
Yeah, I'm sorry, that'sinappropriate.
It doesn't matter how many timeshe asked.
The yoga challenge, again, sheshould just apologize, full
stop.
I do think she sent some ofthese allegations are her

(50:28):
sending Trisha Paytas' nudes asuh early as the year before from
her OnlyFans to group chats thathad fans in it.
I don't know about minors, Idon't want to speak out of turn
on that.
Okay, but um I don't know if Ican find it quickly because
we're on a time schedule, butlike regardless, sending nudes

(50:51):
to fans in general that's notyou're not being a good person.

SPEAKER_03 (50:56):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (50:56):
So it has been hard for me because this person was
such a big part of my lifebecause I literally grew up
watching her and knowing thatlike realizing that she actually
like doesn't have good judgmentand really wasn't a good person.
But at the time when I was incollege, it was like, yeah, this

(51:17):
is the humor that all of youknow theater kids have.
It's kind of like a littlecrass, a little rude, it's
sexual, it's like whatever.
Like theater kids always kind ofhave a sexual undertone.

SPEAKER_03 (51:30):
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 (51:31):
And so, like at that point in time, I was like, this
is hilarious because this is theculture.

SPEAKER_00 (51:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (51:38):
But all the other things, what's there was another
allegation.
Well, just in general, she hadthese group chats with minors
where she's dump trauma dumpingon about her marriage to um
Joshua.
And, you know, they're asking,they're talking about sexual
positions and losing theirvirginity and things like that.

(52:01):
Like, she there's no way shewasn't like, this isn't right.
She just was trying to be cool,and she says that in the ukulele
thing.
She's like, I'm not, I'm not agroomer, I'm just a loser.
And it's like, so you know thatyou were just in these chats
trying to be cool too, andtrying to be in the know and

(52:22):
trying to be like, you know, I'mjust one of you, and like we're
chit talking and whatever.

SPEAKER_02 (52:26):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (52:27):
And so the the podcast wasn't enough for me,
and it pains me to say thatbecause I was such a big fan.
I I haven't followed her sinceeverything came out because I
was so disappointed to hear allof it.
Um but yeah, yeah, I don't know.

(52:47):
It wasn't enough.
I think that she should, I don'tthink she should have gone on
the podcast.
I don't think she should havedone that.
I think first of all, she's beenvlogging these two years.
It's like they're acting like,okay, they're acting like um
she's been in hiding for twoyears.
She's still been vlogging.

SPEAKER_00 (53:01):
I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 (53:02):
So if she had just made a video that was I a and a
f a full stop apology, noexcuses.
I'm sorry to those.
Don't say, I'm sorry if I blah,blah, blah, which is something
she said in the podcast.
Say, I'm sorry that I made youfeel this way.
I'm sorry that I did thesethings to you.

SPEAKER_03 (53:19):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (53:19):
And I will learn and be better.
I think people would havereceived it and so much better.

SPEAKER_01 (53:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (53:26):
But I I don't think it was enough, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 (53:29):
Um we'll see.

SPEAKER_04 (53:32):
Okay, well, um, our guest is here for our next
episode.
So we are going to uh cut thisone short.
Cut this one short.

SPEAKER_01 (53:39):
The only birthday that matters today, by the way,
is Stanley Oatmeal.

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Stanley Oatmeal, happy birthday.

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Today's Stanley Oatmeal's birthday.

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SPEAKER_04 (53:49):
You're a liar.

SPEAKER_01 (53:50):
Just for you, though.

SPEAKER_04 (53:52):
Okay, sorry that I was I had to talk so much about
that to whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (53:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (53:57):
Um, but we will see you next week.
Thank you so much for listeningand watching and all those
things.
Please subscribe.
And we love you so much.

SPEAKER_00 (54:06):
Love you.