In the fourth part of this Ask Us Anything series, host Kate and her husband Jason open up about what it means to trust God when waiting doesn’t end the way you hoped. Together they explore how to live your faith with courage at work and at home, find purpose in delay, and practice real discernment without over-spiritualizing decisions.
Listeners will gain practical steps for testing desires, learning to wait well, and seeing work as ministry—plus encouragement from Kate’s post-surgery journey and Jason’s grounded perspective on clinging to Christ through uncertainty.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
Hey guys, this is Kate from Abidable.com, and
you're listening to the AbidablePodcast.
I'm just a regular wife and momwho's had my life transformed by
learning to study the Bible onmy own.
If I can, you can.
On this show, I help you knowand love God more by abiding in
Him through His Word yourself.
(00:31):
We are back finally after alittle hiatus that was not
planned, not fun, somepost-surgery surgery.
Some post-surgery complications.
We won't get into.
That's another story for anothertime.
But I'm really glad to be backwith you with our next episode
number 69 (00:49):
Calling, Waiting, and Walking with God.
And we're gonna jump right in.
So, sir, you have the firstquestion.
And by sir, I mean my veryhandsome Hamilton husband,
Jason, who is joining us againon the podcast graciously after
a very long day of work.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
Graciously.
Should we start at the top?
Question number one.
Question.
SPEAKER_03 (01:09):
I knew you were gonna do that.
SPEAKER_00 (01:11):
Having experienced the heartbreak and frustrations
of waiting, what advice wouldyou give to someone in a season
of waiting?
SPEAKER_03 (01:18):
No God.
I mean, I just look back at mylife and how I used to handle
having to wait for things, notunderstanding what was
happening, and not knowing God,not abiding in his word and
being a wreck.
You know, having very much thestory be that the rains came and
the winds blew, and my house wasbuilt on sand.
And so great was the crash ofit.
I would blame God, I wouldisolate, I would dig myself deep
(01:42):
into depression or anger orwhatever emotion because I
didn't know God.
And oftentimes it's not that itwasn't a good thing.
I'm thinking of wanting to be amom.
You know, that was a desire thatGod had given me.
But the timing of it, I didn'teven know back then how to bring
that before the Lord and how towait on him because I didn't
know him and I wasn't abiding inhim.
(02:02):
So that's my advice.
I mean, heartbreak andfrustration of waiting,
significantly different.
I'm still in some challengingseasons right now with my body
not responding how I thought itwould post surgery and having
some complications with that.
And knowing what I know nowabout God because of the years
that I've spent abiding isabsolutely making a tremendous
(02:25):
difference in how I'mresponding.
And I know myself.
I've said this before on thepodcast.
I know myself and my flesh andhow I normally respond.
And so to be able to keepgetting up and to keep going and
to not give up and to be doingthe things that I need to be
doing for my health is fullcredit to the Holy Spirit in me
and who I know God to be as aresult of abiding.
So that's it.
(02:46):
I mean, that's my advice.
What would I give to someone ina season of waiting?
Stick your nose in the crack ofthis book and do not come up for
air until you feel solidlyplanted on the rock because he
is what we need and he is whatwe're after.
And if we are abiding in him,all those other things, you
know, seek first his kingdom andhis righteousness, and all these
things will be added unto you,whether we get them or not, we
(03:07):
have Christ.
And so waiting is made mucheasier.
What would you say to that one?
Having experienced heartbreakand frustration of waiting, what
advice would you give tosomeone?
SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
Yeah, I think um very similar to what you're
saying.
The the two things that came tomind to me would be cling and
surround.
So cling to Jesus, you know,just like you're saying.
And I kind of I think you almosttook it from what I'm hearing in
terms of like the frustration ofwaiting, you know, wanting
something that's not coming.
(03:36):
I almost took it from theheartbreak, you know, of like a
despair, a depression, of likethis thing is not coming, and
that type of a struggle.
And so that's where to me I'mthinking of clinging, you know,
just continuing.
And I think clinging instead oflike staying near to him or
(03:56):
reading your Bible, but likesometimes it's a matter of
clinging.
So when you're in that placewhere sometimes it's easier to
abide and to continue to pray,and like, oh, okay, that was
frustrating, but we're we'restill hopeful, and yeah, then
that's a little bit easier.
But when it's like, oh, it'sbeen three years and I've been
praying every single day, andthere's no hope on the horizon,
(04:19):
that's where the clinging comesin.
So don't give up.
And then surrounding um, justsurrounding yourself with with
good community, good people whocan you know hold you up, point
you back to the truth.
Just don't do it alone.
Um, because I think that's whereyou can also get into giving
into that despair and believingthe lies and then just giving
(04:42):
up.
But if you've got other people,you know, holding your arms up
when you get tired and beautifulpicture there.
SPEAKER_03 (04:47):
So yeah, yeah, that's not my natural
inclination in my flesh.
Mine is to isolate and to notwant to be in community, not
make myself be vulnerable inthat way.
And I'm really thankful for theexample that I've had
consistently at the church thatwe've been a part of for that
ability to see other peoplebeing vulnerable and a reminder
that I can be vulnerable too.
I don't have to, you know, dealwith it on my own or pretend to
(05:09):
be strong.
So that's really good advice.
And I think it's important thatyou also mentioned the
heartbreak piece because thereis that element of really not
understanding what the Lord isup to.
And so the final piece of advicewould just be being able to be
honest.
Like go through the psalms, likesee how honest David and the
other psalmists were with theirdespair and their frustration
and not understanding what theLord was up to.
Like he can handle yourquestions, your doubts, your
(05:31):
frustration, your anger.
You can bring that to him andnot be afraid of being honest.
He knows you feel that wayanyway.
And there's a beautiful thingthat he does in that process
when he meets you in that place,when you're able to be
vulnerable and real in that way,he will meet you and he will
hold you and he will help youand he will bring you through.
Whether or not you get thatthing, I think it's so
important.
Like we, you know, prosperitytheology is so dangerous because
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it's this idea that if you prayhard enough, if you believe big
enough, you will get whateveryou want.
And that's not the story in theBible.
Sometimes the thing that youpray for never comes.
And the most beautifulrealization in my own life, when
there have been things that Iwanted so desperately and not
gotten was the understandingthat if I had Jesus, and it took
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me years to wrestle throughthis, but if I had Jesus, that
was enough.
If he never gives me this thing,he is still worthy of all my
worship because of what he didon the cross alone.
So having that tested, firstPeter one talks about that
tested genuineness of yourfaith, which is such a beautiful
thing that can only sometimescome when we have to wrestle
with and struggle with notgetting the thing that we want.
(06:36):
And when you know God, you knowthat he's sovereign, you know
that he's good, you know thathe's loving, and he's always
only ever working all thingstogether for your good for those
who love him and are in Christ.
And so that means that eventhough it's this thing that you
want so, so bad, you get thefreedom to surrender that thing
when you know him, because youcan trust him because you know
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him.
I just told you that I was gonnabe really fast on these
questions, and what are we on onthe more thoughts that I was
gonna say on the other hand?
Say it then.
You know what?
Just say it.
SPEAKER_00 (07:07):
No, I think it's just you know, when we talk
about abiding and clinging andsurrounding with other people,
like you keep hearing truth,that's where you also understand
when you're in those moments,like you're saying, what I am
hoping for, what I'm asking formay not be what's best for me.
Yeah, and so biblical, right?
Like sometimes that's what getsrevealed in the whole thing that
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yeah, you prayed for two yearsfor something, but that was a
selfish desire, or that wassomething that wasn't quite what
was best for you, and so got itsomething even better, and you
won't notice that stuff if allyou're doing is focusing on that
thing, isolating, just gettingfixated on that.
But if you're diligently in theword, clinging to him, being
(07:52):
surrounded by people, theneventually you might notice
those things too.
And it could be that what you'repraying for is the thing God
wants to give you, and it justtook a while, right?
Or it could be somethingdifferent, and you may miss that
as an opportunity too.
SPEAKER_03 (08:06):
So yeah, I mean, how many times can all of us look
back and think about the thingsthat we prayed real hard for?
I mean, I got a whole list ofthings I prayed real hard for
that I thought, oh Jesus, I knowthis is the best for me.
And had he answered thoseprayers, I'd be in a heap of
trouble.
So there's just that again thatcomes the ability and the
freedom to surrender comes moreeasily the more you know him.
(08:28):
And that's why it's so criticalto be in the word and to
remember who he is and all he'sdone.
And it's like, okay, I don'tunderstand what's going on, but
because I know who you are, I'mgonna give this thing to you.
Final thing on that too aboutbeing in community is the
challenge for the person who'shearing someone share about
their struggle with the weightto be able to press in and ask
some of those hard questions.
(08:49):
Like if you see somebody thatyou love who says they love
Jesus, praying for, waiting forsomething that is not God's best
or is not even in alignment withGod's will, be bold and
courageous in love to bring thatup to them and help point them
to what's true and what's goodand what's right.
It's a challenging community todo that.
So I have the next question foryou.
What are each of your spiritualgifts?
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
I would say for me, and I think it probably depends
on your list of spiritual gifts.
Some people define them a littlebit differently, but um
administration, definitely,serving, definitely,
discernment, yes, and wisdom.
Yes.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (09:28):
And that's why I need to need to go into that
anymore, but none of those aremine.
I feel like wisdom anddiscernment may be toward the
bottom of it.
SPEAKER_00 (09:36):
I think I think wisdom is in there.
SPEAKER_03 (09:38):
Yeah.
Administration, definitely not.
SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
Yeah, I I mean I wouldn't say that it's a gifting
of yours necessarily, but I Imean you're not bad at it.
Like these are not things thatlike you're not a you're not bad
at serving.
You're you're not bad atdiscerning.
Oh no, I mean, I don't think so.
SPEAKER_03 (09:56):
Mercy and helps.
SPEAKER_00 (09:58):
Yeah, so you would agree with those?
SPEAKER_03 (10:00):
I definitely agree with those.
Okay.
Yeah, and I think uh God'sgraciousness in giving you to me
in those areas that I don't feelas strong is just a beautiful
thing.
Like I've been in Genesis oneand two for a long time, and
just finishing up two in thedesign that God had for marriage
to be one flesh, to be a helpmate.
That word is just such abeautiful word to come alongside
and compliment.
And marriage is a gift, really,that God has given.
(10:22):
And so, in many ways, I see yourspiritual gifts as completing me
in areas where I'm weak.
My uh top spiritual gifts arecreative communication.
This is the shape assessmentthat our church did a couple
years ago.
So, creative communication was96%.
So I'm gonna say thanks toFrank, my father, who taught me
how to speak from birth.
(10:42):
If you get me and me and Frankin the same room, you're gonna
be hearing a lot of talking.
SPEAKER_00 (10:46):
So, yeah, that's and some of the same stories.
SPEAKER_03 (10:49):
Some of the same stories that makes me think of
Bear.
Um, teaching was my second.
Mercy, encouragement, andgiving.
So those are my top five.
SPEAKER_00 (11:00):
Mm-hmm.
I feel like we should have donethe newlywed game on this one.
SPEAKER_03 (11:04):
That would have been fun.
I would have been, I think Iwould have picked yours.
Okay, you've got the nextquestion.
SPEAKER_00 (11:10):
How do you know a calling, quote unquote, is on
your life in a certain season,and what are the steps to
surrender in obedience?
SPEAKER_03 (11:18):
Well, I'm sure my wonderful listeners are gonna
get tired of hearing me say thesame answer always to start.
But first and foremost, ifyou're making big big decisions
about calling and direction foryour life and you're not in the
word, that would be a caution tonot make any big decisions and
to get back in the word.
Abiding in God daily so that youknow him and you know his heart
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and hit like thinking God'sthoughts after him, like having
the desires that God has for thedecisions that you're making
with your life.
It's number one most criticalthing.
Second thing, similar to whatJason was saying, is is being in
community and around otherpeople who know you, know where
you are in life, and to havethese kinds of conversations
with them so they can speak intothe things that you're
(12:06):
considering doing.
I also think that it's biblicaland can be a real blessing to
have a desire and keep itbetween you and the Lord and
pray on it for a period of timeand ask the Lord to remove that
desire or confirm that desirefrom like outside sources.
That's kind of what happenedwith the podcast.
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It was something that I didn'tnecessarily feel called to do,
but it had been brought up a fewtimes and then it started to be
brought up more consistently,and that felt like a
confirmation for me forsomething that I had been
waiting and praying on from theLord.
And so God is gracious and he,you know, is like, you know, I'm
like, sometimes I'm like, Lord,I am too thick to get this.
(12:48):
I just need you to show me andto confirm where you want me to
go and what you want me to do.
And so, Lord, please direct mypath.
Like he's not gonna send asinging telegram or a blimp with
a sign trailing behind it overtown.
Would be really nice if he wouldshoot some flares up, you know,
to make it really clear.
But then ultimately, I would saythat if you are abiding in him
(13:10):
and if you are walking incommunity and if you've been
praying on something and thereis nothing that is holding you
back, no roadblock that isstopping you, no check in your
spirit, no, you know, convictionfrom the Holy Spirit or
disagreement from somebody elsein community, then I feel like
it's yes, in Christ, you know,that you can move forward.
(13:30):
It's not sinful, it's not, youknow, it doesn't go against your
faith and your convictionbiblically, then yes, move
forward in confidence and um bebold and be courageous and do
that thing that the Lord haslaid on your heart to do.
You know, he makes each one ofus as a member of the body to do
things that others can't do.
And sometimes we're fearful.
And so taking that fear beforehim and laying it down and being
(13:52):
obedient to go do the thing thathe's laid on your heart to do is
such a beautiful way to be apart of the body of Christ.
And that may not just be inministry, like I know it's
saying kind of a calling.
It might some people might thinkof this in terms of also like
vocation or career or where tolive or whether to start having
kids or you know, fill in theblank.
(14:13):
But I think that advice wouldapply to all of that.
SPEAKER_00 (14:15):
Yeah, I wouldn't really add too much more.
I think we kind of talked aboutthis in a previous episode too,
about sometimes it's just amatter of there might not be a
right or wrong way to go.
And so you just kind of take astep.
And I think like you're saying,if if you're abiding, if you're
getting good wise counsel, thenit's for the most part not going
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to be harmful to take a stepbecause once you realize, oh,
maybe that wasn't the rightthing, then you're gonna
probably be quick to makeadjustments or to step back
because you're in the rightspace.
You know, your heart is in theright place and you're you're
checking it against scripture,you're checking it against
people.
So I think that gives you thefreedom and you know, kind of
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the courage to do that, becauseif it is wrong or if it's not
the best thing for you, thenyou're gonna be well positioned
to notice that instead of justblindly going down a path and
not finding out until you'vereally hit rock bottom or
something.
SPEAKER_03 (15:16):
So yeah.
And that's why we can't minimizethe idea of abiding, because I
know there are seasons where Iwas trying to make some of these
big life decisions and I was notin the word and not praying and
not surrounded by wise counsel.
And so it's like I remember justfeeling like a a crapshoot.
Like, how how am I supposed to?
It was very stressful, likewanting to do what the Lord
wanted me to do, but not knowinghim well enough to really even
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know what that looked like.
And so, again, that's why beingin the word of God is our very
life.
It is critical to all thedecisions that we make in the
things that we do.
And again, if you follow thosesteps and you have peace, then
do it.
Like, don't, don't keep waitingfor the singing telegram.
Be faithful, be obedient, and goand be bold and courageous to do
the thing that he's calling youto do because you're the only
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you that he's made and you fitin a specific space in a
specific place to do somethingbeautiful for the Lord and bring
glory to him.
So I say go for it.
If those all check the boxes foryou.
So our next question.
Uh, by the way, that questionwas our number one requested
question.
Interestingly enough, peoplewere really wanting to know how
to know if there's a calling onyour life in a certain season.
(16:22):
I didn't say this, but I kind ofalluded to it with the podcast.
But also, like, if there arepeople in your life who are
like, hey, you're really good atconnecting people, you're really
good at teaching, you're reallygood at like shepherding
discipleship, like, hey, you'rereally good at behind the
scenes, like serving.
I see you doing that sofaithfully.
Like, step into those placeswhere other people might see
something in you that you don'teven see in yourself.
(16:43):
Um, that's the Lord using thatperson to point you to that.
SPEAKER_00 (16:47):
Yeah, try it out and see.
Right.
See what excites.
You might be good at something,but it doesn't really excite
you.
Yeah.
So you might just be good atdoing it as a job or part-time.
Yeah.
But try it and see.
SPEAKER_03 (17:01):
Go do it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:03):
It's like thinking of Shia LaBeouf, like just I
thought you were I thought youwere thinking of Nike and you
couldn't come up with theslogan.
SPEAKER_03 (17:10):
What's the name?
SPEAKER_00 (17:10):
Like in the office, break me off a piece of that
fancy piece.
SPEAKER_03 (17:13):
Break me off a piece of that fancy piece.
Do you remember that?
Or they couldn't figure it out?
SPEAKER_00 (17:17):
I thought you just couldn't remember just do it.
And so you said go do it.
SPEAKER_03 (17:21):
I think I think I probably couldn't remember just
I was trying to think of theShia La Buff.
Like, have you guys ever seenthat on YouTube?
Shia La Buff, just do it.
What are you waiting for?
Just do it.
Okay, next question.
What is an example in your liveswhere you felt or where you
allowed God to fight for you,quote unquote.
(17:43):
Letting go of control, just toclarify what they meant, letting
go of control in decisionmaking.
SPEAKER_00 (17:50):
The first thing that came to mind for me, I don't
really remember or know how thisties into decision making, but
an example where I felt orallowed God to fight for us was
just in Liam's birth.
Like with your water breakingand then just completely at the
mercy.
SPEAKER_02 (18:08):
Totally.
SPEAKER_00 (18:09):
Like we're just at the hospital, and now it's
whatever we're told to do.
And if God wants them to comeright now, then we're gonna go
down that path.
And if he wants them to comelater, then we're here for that.
So I I don't really remember awhole lot of decision making
other than just we're here,you're laying in bed, I'm doing
whatever you need, and we'redoing whatever the doctors say.
(18:31):
Yeah.
And then we're just trusting Godto make the decisions for us in
terms of when he's coming.
But that's the the biggest oneuh that I can think of in our
life.
I'm sure you have a better one,more applicable to the question.
SPEAKER_03 (18:47):
I think that's a really good one.
I think other people are gonnarelate to that.
They're gonna think of a time intheir life where they really,
you know, and and like as astragic or um traumatizing or
horrific or stressful as aseason like that, with you know,
my water breaking at 23 weeksand being told our son had less
than a 10% chance of survival,like as traumatic as that can
be, or whatever, you know,circumstance that you're
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thinking of, listener, in yourown life that you've gone
through, those are also theplaces where we get to see God
be God in a way that we neverwould have otherwise.
And it is a gift.
Like it sounds hard, harsh tosay or weird to say, but I can
say honestly that I look back onthat season, I wouldn't change a
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thing.
I'm so grateful for the waysthat God fought for us and the
way that he showed up and theway that he showed us who he is.
And we had a good outcome.
Some people don't.
Some people, there's a tragicoutcome.
And we have friends who havelost children and who have
delivered them full term and whocontinue to choose to walk with
Jesus.
And we've seen, I just thinkalso the beauty of watching.
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I'm thinking of a particularsituation with our friends who
went through a really gnarlytrial, and we watch them walk
with Jesus and not grow bitteror angry and trust the Lord with
things very much on the line.
And those, it's like otherpeople are watching.
And when I watch them go throughthat, it's actually very pivotal
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in my whole coming back to Jesusbecause it's like, okay, well,
look at what they're goingthrough, and they're choosing
Jesus, and he is worthy of theirworship, even in the midst of
their whole life coming crashingdown around them.
And what am I doing?
So it's like I kind of off on atangent here, but I do think
it's a really beautiful thingwhen you watch somebody else
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choose Jesus and let Jesus, letGod fight for them in the midst
of something so hard.
It makes me think of Exodus 14,13 to 14.
I just looked it up.
Um, the Lord will fight for you.
You need only to be still, likethat reminder that God is God.
And we are really foolish fortrying to take that role on.
(20:56):
And it is a beautiful place tolive in surrender.
And sometimes it is thecircumstance that you described
where we really literally haveno option.
I can't control whether my sonis coming today or tomorrow, or
if he's going to live or die.
I mean, this life and death.
But even in other circumstanceswhere maybe your reputation is
being tarnished, or I don'tknow, I can't think of like a
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whole bunch of differentexamples.
Like I'm thinking of my healthright now, that this is
something that I have tried toget answers for for the last 10
years and seen multipledifferent doctors and tried
multiple different diets andmattresses and all these things
for the pain that I was feeling.
And I really do very much feellike as I continue to grow and
surrender and relationship withJesus, he laid the path to the
(21:39):
exact doctor who was only 15minutes from my door, who's the
only one really on the wholeWest Coast who performs the kind
of surgery that I needed withprecision and is world-renowned
and was able to handle my verycomplicated case and get this
disease out of me.
It's like that for me, I thinkis the most recent example of
seeing how God fought for me,how he provided financially for
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us.
For us to be able to do thatsurgery.
I mean, I was really sick and Ididn't know how sick I was.
And so for the Lord to put allof those things in, I can't, I
can't take credit for that.
You can't take credit for that.
Even Google can't take creditfor that for as much as I
research, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (22:16):
Google can't take credit for it.
It wouldn't be worthy, but I'msure it can take credit for it.
SPEAKER_03 (22:22):
It could try.
It could try.
SPEAKER_00 (22:24):
Okay.
Next question.
What does honor and God looklike as an individual?
And what does honor and God looklike in a relationship?
SPEAKER_03 (22:32):
Ooh.
Do you have a good answer forthat one?
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
Do you want me to be honest?
I was glad that I was asking itbecause I was just going to
piggyback on yours.
SPEAKER_03 (22:41):
I mean, I think that there are things that you and I
have been able to do as a couplethat have been more effective.
Like I think of the seasons whenyou've been leading like our
small group and we've met withcouples one-on-one and been able
to talk through particularlymarriage or parenting stuff
together, that's been moreeffective.
Like I think that you and I area good team in that way.
(23:05):
I also think that as a couple,you know, a mar it says in a
relationship, but for us,particularly as a married
couple, I think that Godordained us to be together,
similar to what I was sayingabout our spiritual gifts, that
I think we're much moreeffective and we can do more for
his kingdom and glorify himbetter together because we
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complement each other in reallybeautiful ways.
And I think that's grown for usas we've grown in the Lord too,
because we haven't been marriedalmost 20 years, but we haven't
been walking with the Lord likewe have for the last four years.
And so I feel like that abilityto serve and to minister to
other people not only increaseswhen we're together as a couple,
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but exponentially when we'reabiding, truly abiding in God's
word together as a couple.
Now, I don't think that doesn't,I don't think it minimizes what
we can do individually or likemakes renders being an
individual obsolete.
I think there are still thingsthat I do, like with Abidable
with women, that I'm called todo.
Certainly that you're not calledto do.
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You've been gracious and comingalongside me and supporting this
ministry through the course anddoing those videos with me or
doing this podcast with me.
But this isn't your number onechoice thing to do.
And so I think that's where wekind of like also can come out
separate and you serve in theways that you're called and
you're gifted and meet needs inthe ways that you are, like in
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your men's group or in our smallgroup, or at the place of your
employment, you know, eventhough it's a secular job,
you're called into that space,and I'm called for right now as
a mom, as a homeschool teacher,as a wife, as the abidable, I
almost said abidable mama.
SPEAKER_00 (24:49):
I was gonna say that's what sounded like that's
where you were going.
SPEAKER_03 (24:52):
I don't I don't know what I was gonna say, but so I
don't know if that answered thatquestion.
I mean, what else would you say?
That's a great question.
SPEAKER_00 (24:59):
I mean, I think one of the things that came to mind
is there's kind of the easyanswer of honoring God as an
individual, is spending timewith Him and praying and you
know, all those things, which Idon't want to say go without
saying, but in some ways, kindof, you know, like hopefully
that's kind of a given in termsof this question.
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So we're building off of that.
SPEAKER_03 (25:21):
No, but I think it's good that you said that because
I didn't touch on that at all,you know, like how you're even
just uh like you're saying,abiding in God one-on-one, not
even just outwardly serving.
I didn't talk about that, likejust honoring God with your
quiet time and your prayer lifeand your thought life.
SPEAKER_00 (25:36):
Yeah, and then well, and that's what I'm thinking
with that is that we have to bedoing that individually so that
then beautiful in arelationship, we have something
that we can bring.
You know, I can here's what I'mlearning, I can ask you
questions, I can challenge you,we can, you know, play off of
each other, I can encourage you,you can, you know, and the same
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thing with you, if if one of usis not doing that and is
essentially, you know, kind ofdead weight and just being
dragged along, then that's notlife-giving to the other person,
and that's it's draining, andwe're not equal partners in
this, and we're not using ourgifts together.
So are some of your giftsgetting sucked out if I'm not
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performing where I need to beperforming, you know, and
complimenting your gifts to tomake them flourish even more,
you know, and be highlighted andcomplimented the way they
should.
That's kind of what I wasthinking, was just in terms of
as an individual, we need to bedoing those things to be healthy
and strong so that we can thencome together and be, you know,
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what God has called us to be.
SPEAKER_03 (26:45):
I think as I'm hearing you say that too, I'm
thinking about the person who'slistening and saying, like, I am
all by myself.
I, you know, I'm in I'm in amarriage, but I am all by myself
in this journey.
You know, my my wife or myhusband has no desire to be in
the word, is not walking withthe Lord, is not even a
Christian, perhaps, and is notinterested.
And I think the word ofencouragement, we talked a
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little bit about this aboutnagging, you know, not nagging
your husband.
And God sees you and he knowsyour situation and he speaks to
it when he talks about how yourlife can have the impact on an
unbelieving husband, you know,wives, the life that you live
and how you abide in Christ andhow you love him and serve him,
Jesus can have an impact andwill have an impact on your
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spouse.
And so for the person who is allalone, maybe in a marriage,
walking by themselves withJesus, just want to encourage
you to continue pursuing hardafter Jesus and to continue
praying that Jesus wouldtransform that person's heart
who you love so much, he lovesthem more.
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You know, as much as you wantthem to be walking with Jesus so
that you can together honor God,God wants that for your husband
or for your wife more.
And so, even I think about inour marriage early on, I was
very self-righteous.
I thought I was way more matureand closer in my relationship
with Jesus and living more onfire and on purpose for him.
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And I had a really nastyattitude toward you about your
quote, you know, quote unquoteimmaturity in Christ.
Really?
Yeah, you know that.
And so there was a bitterness.
Like I had sin that I had torepent of, and God, in his
absolute kindness andfaithfulness, revealed a lot of
my own sin.
And in so doing, it's like eachone of us has enough to be
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bringing before the Lord inrepentance, and he has enough
work to be doing on each one ofus individually that
surrendering your spouse toChrist is the best possible
thing that you can do and askingto see them as Christ sees them.
Now it's doesn't mean I'mgetting way off track here, but
it doesn't mean stayingobviously in an abusive
relationship.
It doesn't mean staying in adangerous situation.
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If you're in those situations,you need to get out and seek
help and seek counselimmediately.
But I'm talking about just likea difference in your worldview
that you love Jesus and yourspouse doesn't.
And so again, I can't sayenough.
Like that that was our story andthat was our journey that I just
I'm like, oh, I, you know, I'mall in for Jesus.
And I was always hoping andpraying that you would get
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there, but now I look back andsee how completely immature and
selfish and self-righteous andall kinds of weird stuff that I
had going on in my own life.
So do do your thing with Jesusand abide with Jesus and trust
him with your spouse.
SPEAKER_00 (29:30):
I will.
Thank you.
Thank you for that permission.
SPEAKER_03 (29:35):
Are you ready for the last question?
I am not.
Well, here it comes.
How do you describe ways youview work as ministry?
Has your perspective of a jobchanged as you've drawn closer
to the Lord?
How do you work through worldlystruggles or personality issues
while staying aligned with yourvalues?
I said that was one question,but it was a bunch of them we
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tied together.
But essentially, work andministry.
Your J O B job.
How do you view that?
SPEAKER_00 (30:03):
At the risk of sounding cheesy, one thing that
I always go back to is theaudience of one, which I know is
a song at one point and can kindof sound like cliche-ish.
Uh that's a different podcast.
So if you would like to hear mesing, please visit Jason Sings
anywhere you get your podcast.
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Actually, I don't do thatbecause I have no idea if that's
a real podcast.
And it may not be something youshould be looking up.
No, but I think it it's honestlytrue.
Um that for me, I view my worklike I'm not actually working
for my boss.
It's I'm working for Jesus.
And I happen to work in localgovernment, so it's not like I'm
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doing something that's superspiritual or you know, like a
quote-unquote ministry, as somepeople would view it.
Yeah.
But that's my perspective thatI'm gonna do like doesn't matter
if I have a good boss, a badboss, if my team sucks, or I
think they suck, and maybe it'sactually me, I'm gonna do my
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work the best that I can becauseit's where God has put me.
It's the ways that He's giftedme, it's the opportunity he's
given me, and so I'm working foran audience of one.
And I say that, that's my goal.
Obviously, I'm not always doingthat.
I do lose sight of that.
I think recently I was convictedof some of the ways, especially
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with where I work, localgovernment, liberal, you know,
progressive city.
There are times that I've justkind of I wouldn't say that I've
necessarily gone along withthings that are wrong or not
biblical, but maybe haven't beenas vocal, or not even maybe
haven't been.
There are times when I have notbeen as vocal because I've been
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able to justify that it's notworth saying anything right now.
It's not gonna, it's not gonnachange anything, or people are
gonna think this way about me,and that's not really who I am,
so I need to wait until I have abetter opportunity for them to
really hear me.
If I stand up here, it's gonnacome off this, you know.
Like I was able to justify a lotof things where I I should stand
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up for what's right and say,this is you know my worldview,
this is my perspective.
Because I don't know how manytimes maybe people thought I was
going along with something or Iagreed with something because I
didn't explicitly say I don'tagree with that.
And I was able to not raise myhand and agree with it.
But if I didn't say something,did some people walk away going,
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like, oh man, Jason, he's aChristian.
He talks about Jesus, you know,like I know that about him.
I know that he reads the Bible,but he didn't say anything about
that thing.
So maybe the two go together.
Maybe that's what Christians areis that they are okay with this
thing or they go along withthis.
So that's my long-winded way ofjust saying, like, whatever job
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you're in, you know, like forme, it is ministry.
You know, everything that we doin our life is a ministry,
parenting, being in arelationship, going to work,
going to the store andinteracting with people, you
know, like these are allopportunities to live out our
faith and and to have gospelconversations with people.
So just even recently beingconvicted, just being a little
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bit more bold.
So I don't know if that'snecessarily changed as I've
drawn closer to the Lord.
I mean, I guess it kind of has.
I don't know if that answeredthe question or not, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (33:31):
Did you want to do that last part?
How do you work through worldlystruggles of personality issues
while staying aligned with yourvalues?
SPEAKER_00 (33:37):
I mean, I think that I kind of touched on that.
SPEAKER_03 (33:40):
Yeah, I think you answered it.
And the other thing about, youknow, personality issues, like I
I just watch how you serve andhow you lead and how you work,
like your work ethic and the manthat you are.
I've said this to you before.
Like, I don't think, and I'm sobiased because I you're my
favorite person, but I I don'tthink that there's people who
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have met someone like you.
Like, I think who you are as aperson of integrity, kindness,
wisdom, the way that you justcomport yourself in general is
being salt and light becauseit's so unique to most people's
work environments.
They've not had a boss like you,they've not had an employee like
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you.
And so in so many ways, it'swhat you were saying, you know,
audience of one, just how youhandle yourself is ministry
because it is a fish swimmingupstream when everybody else is
going downstream, when theculture, especially in work
environments, I'm not out in theworkforce anymore, but I hear it
from all my friends who are likejust everything's so how much
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can we lower the bar?
And how can we get away with theleast amount possible?
And how can we cut corners andhow can we just, you know, just
get through it because this is aJ O B.
And I know that you don't, thisisn't like your dream job, and
it's not like you're not like,you know, clock goes off and
you're jump, your alarm goes offand you're jumping up excited
for the day, but you go and youget it done.
And I think a big piece of thatis because you're doing it to
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serve Jesus, to glorify Jesus,and also provide for our family.
SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
Yeah, I would just say, you know, to kind of sum it
up, I think as Christians, we'recalled to do the best job we
can.
You know, like we should be, Idon't want to say the top
performers and the hardestworking necessarily, but we
should be.
And, you know, like peopleshould see us as they they take
pride in their work, they do agood job.
I think we can also show likewe're not working all hours of
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the day because that's nothealthy, right?
And that's not a good balanceeither.
So we can show people like Iwork really hard for what I'm
paid and the hours I need to.
I put in extra ones sometimes,but I also show that I have a
healthy balance with my familycomes first, you know, all these
things, and people can see that,like, man, he works really hard.
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He's a team player, so when weneed people to stay late or work
on weekends once in a while tofinish projects, like he's
there, but he also has made itvery clear.
Like everybody would say, youknow, like you and Liam come
first.
So I'm gonna have boundariesthere.
But then also doing it with agood attitude, like we can be
loving and still bold and stilltell the truth.
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And we can have fun and we can,you know, blend all those things
together.
Like people should be able tosee, like, he works hard, but
he's a real stick in the mud.
He never like engages withpeople and he's always just
telling us, you know, what hebelieves and never lists, you
know.
SPEAKER_03 (36:30):
And you're also good at owning when you've you know
dropped the ball, asking forforgiveness.
Hey, I handled that wrong, orjust really caring about each
individual person, getting toknow each individual person uh
so that they know, you know, andand we've talked about this
before, like the idea of evenspeaking, you know, the truth to
someone or or being able tostand up, you know, as a
Christian in a very secularcity, you guys were in the
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Pacific Northwest, and it is umvery liberal.
And so you can imagine myhusband working in government,
some of the conversations thathe is a part of.
And so, you know, having theright to be able to not write
isn't the right word, but kindof like you have established
relationship with people, theyknow who you are, they know what
you're about.
And so if you're going to speakup and say, you know what, this
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that's that's against everythingthat I believe, and you can do
that with boldness and withtruth and in love, and also
without fear, you know, likeworst case scenario, you lose
your job and God will providefor us.
So, in anything that we do incalling and ministry and work
and in relationships, and thisis really relevant right now in
the world, uh, in terms ofspeaking up for truth when that
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feels really scary and reallyhard to do.
We just don't want to try to bemore or try to have like
apologize for got who God is.
Like, let me be morecompassionate than God by
reframing how marriage issupposed to look.
Let me let me apologize forGod's views on gender identity
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because God got it wrong.
Like that's why we come back toabiding in the word and
understanding why God's word isabsolutely true and why we want
to not be fearful of speakingthe truth in love.
Amen.
I think that's a good place towrap up for this week.
So thanks again for being withus.
SPEAKER_00 (38:18):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_03 (38:19):
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In next week's episode, our lastone in this Ask Us Anything
series, we will be talking aboutthe church: hurt, healing, and
hope.
We got a lot of questions aboutthis, as you can imagine.
And as you've heard me sharebefore, we were a part of one of
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the largest, most public churchcollapses in recent history.
We'll share openly and honestlyabout what that was like, what
we learned, and what we'd say tosomeone experiencing that now.
And we'll also just address whatthe church is and what she's
meant to be, and what she'llnever be until Christ comes back
for her.
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Don't miss it.
And remember, you are able toabide in the Bible.
We'll see you next time.
Until then, let's abide.
Hey guys, this is Kate from Abidable.com, and
you're listening to the AbidablePodcast.
I'm just a regular wife and momwho's had my life transformed by
learning to study the Bible onmy own.
If I can, you can.
On this show, I help you knowand love God more by abiding in
Him through His Word yourself.
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We are back finally after alittle hiatus that was not
planned, not fun, somepost-surgery surgery.
Some post-surgery complications.
We won't get into.
That's another story for anothertime.
But I'm really glad to be backwith you with our next episode
number 69 (00:49):
Calling, Waiting, and Walking with God.
And we're gonna jump right in.
So, sir, you have the firstquestion.
And by sir, I mean my veryhandsome Hamilton husband,
Jason, who is joining us againon the podcast graciously after
a very long day of work.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
Graciously.
Should we start at the top?
Question number one.
Question.
SPEAKER_03 (01:09):
I knew you were gonna do that.
SPEAKER_00 (01:11):
Having experienced the heartbreak and frustrations
of waiting, what advice wouldyou give to someone in a season
of waiting?
SPEAKER_03 (01:18):
No God.
I mean, I just look back at mylife and how I used to handle
having to wait for things, notunderstanding what was
happening, and not knowing God,not abiding in his word and
being a wreck.
You know, having very much thestory be that the rains came and
the winds blew, and my house wasbuilt on sand.
And so great was the crash ofit.
I would blame God, I wouldisolate, I would dig myself deep
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into depression or anger orwhatever emotion because I
didn't know God.
And oftentimes it's not that itwasn't a good thing.
I'm thinking of wanting to be amom.
You know, that was a desire thatGod had given me.
But the timing of it, I didn'teven know back then how to bring
that before the Lord and how towait on him because I didn't
know him and I wasn't abiding inhim.
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So that's my advice.
I mean, heartbreak andfrustration of waiting,
significantly different.
I'm still in some challengingseasons right now with my body
not responding how I thought itwould post surgery and having
some complications with that.
And knowing what I know nowabout God because of the years
that I've spent abiding isabsolutely making a tremendous
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difference in how I'mresponding.
And I know myself.
I've said this before on thepodcast.
I know myself and my flesh andhow I normally respond.
And so to be able to keepgetting up and to keep going and
to not give up and to be doingthe things that I need to be
doing for my health is fullcredit to the Holy Spirit in me
and who I know God to be as aresult of abiding.
So that's it.
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I mean, that's my advice.
What would I give to someone ina season of waiting?
Stick your nose in the crack ofthis book and do not come up for
air until you feel solidlyplanted on the rock because he
is what we need and he is whatwe're after.
And if we are abiding in him,all those other things, you
know, seek first his kingdom andhis righteousness, and all these
things will be added unto you,whether we get them or not, we
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have Christ.
And so waiting is made mucheasier.
What would you say to that one?
Having experienced heartbreakand frustration of waiting, what
advice would you give tosomeone?
SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
Yeah, I think um very similar to what you're
saying.
The the two things that came tomind to me would be cling and
surround.
So cling to Jesus, you know,just like you're saying.
And I kind of I think you almosttook it from what I'm hearing in
terms of like the frustration ofwaiting, you know, wanting
something that's not coming.
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I almost took it from theheartbreak, you know, of like a
despair, a depression, of likethis thing is not coming, and
that type of a struggle.
And so that's where to me I'mthinking of clinging, you know,
just continuing.
And I think clinging instead oflike staying near to him or
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reading your Bible, but likesometimes it's a matter of
clinging.
So when you're in that placewhere sometimes it's easier to
abide and to continue to pray,and like, oh, okay, that was
frustrating, but we're we'restill hopeful, and yeah, then
that's a little bit easier.
But when it's like, oh, it'sbeen three years and I've been
praying every single day, andthere's no hope on the horizon,
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that's where the clinging comesin.
So don't give up.
And then surrounding um, justsurrounding yourself with with
good community, good people whocan you know hold you up, point
you back to the truth.
Just don't do it alone.
Um, because I think that's whereyou can also get into giving
into that despair and believingthe lies and then just giving
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up.
But if you've got other people,you know, holding your arms up
when you get tired and beautifulpicture there.
SPEAKER_03 (04:47):
So yeah, yeah, that's not my natural
inclination in my flesh.
Mine is to isolate and to notwant to be in community, not
make myself be vulnerable inthat way.
And I'm really thankful for theexample that I've had
consistently at the church thatwe've been a part of for that
ability to see other peoplebeing vulnerable and a reminder
that I can be vulnerable too.
I don't have to, you know, dealwith it on my own or pretend to
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be strong.
So that's really good advice.
And I think it's important thatyou also mentioned the
heartbreak piece because thereis that element of really not
understanding what the Lord isup to.
And so the final piece of advicewould just be being able to be
honest.
Like go through the psalms, likesee how honest David and the
other psalmists were with theirdespair and their frustration
and not understanding what theLord was up to.
Like he can handle yourquestions, your doubts, your
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frustration, your anger.
You can bring that to him andnot be afraid of being honest.
He knows you feel that wayanyway.
And there's a beautiful thingthat he does in that process
when he meets you in that place,when you're able to be
vulnerable and real in that way,he will meet you and he will
hold you and he will help youand he will bring you through.
Whether or not you get thatthing, I think it's so
important.
Like we, you know, prosperitytheology is so dangerous because
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it's this idea that if you prayhard enough, if you believe big
enough, you will get whateveryou want.
And that's not the story in theBible.
Sometimes the thing that youpray for never comes.
And the most beautifulrealization in my own life, when
there have been things that Iwanted so desperately and not
gotten was the understandingthat if I had Jesus, and it took
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me years to wrestle throughthis, but if I had Jesus, that
was enough.
If he never gives me this thing,he is still worthy of all my
worship because of what he didon the cross alone.
So having that tested, firstPeter one talks about that
tested genuineness of yourfaith, which is such a beautiful
thing that can only sometimescome when we have to wrestle
with and struggle with notgetting the thing that we want.
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And when you know God, you knowthat he's sovereign, you know
that he's good, you know thathe's loving, and he's always
only ever working all thingstogether for your good for those
who love him and are in Christ.
And so that means that eventhough it's this thing that you
want so, so bad, you get thefreedom to surrender that thing
when you know him, because youcan trust him because you know
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him.
I just told you that I was gonnabe really fast on these
questions, and what are we on onthe more thoughts that I was
gonna say on the other hand?
Say it then.
You know what?
Just say it.
SPEAKER_00 (07:07):
No, I think it's just you know, when we talk
about abiding and clinging andsurrounding with other people,
like you keep hearing truth,that's where you also understand
when you're in those moments,like you're saying, what I am
hoping for, what I'm asking formay not be what's best for me.
Yeah, and so biblical, right?
Like sometimes that's what getsrevealed in the whole thing that
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yeah, you prayed for two yearsfor something, but that was a
selfish desire, or that wassomething that wasn't quite what
was best for you, and so got itsomething even better, and you
won't notice that stuff if allyou're doing is focusing on that
thing, isolating, just gettingfixated on that.
But if you're diligently in theword, clinging to him, being
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surrounded by people, theneventually you might notice
those things too.
And it could be that what you'repraying for is the thing God
wants to give you, and it justtook a while, right?
Or it could be somethingdifferent, and you may miss that
as an opportunity too.
SPEAKER_03 (08:06):
So yeah, I mean, how many times can all of us look
back and think about the thingsthat we prayed real hard for?
I mean, I got a whole list ofthings I prayed real hard for
that I thought, oh Jesus, I knowthis is the best for me.
And had he answered thoseprayers, I'd be in a heap of
trouble.
So there's just that again thatcomes the ability and the
freedom to surrender comes moreeasily the more you know him.
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And that's why it's so criticalto be in the word and to
remember who he is and all he'sdone.
And it's like, okay, I don'tunderstand what's going on, but
because I know who you are, I'mgonna give this thing to you.
Final thing on that too aboutbeing in community is the
challenge for the person who'shearing someone share about
their struggle with the weightto be able to press in and ask
some of those hard questions.
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Like if you see somebody thatyou love who says they love
Jesus, praying for, waiting forsomething that is not God's best
or is not even in alignment withGod's will, be bold and
courageous in love to bring thatup to them and help point them
to what's true and what's goodand what's right.
It's a challenging community todo that.
So I have the next question foryou.
What are each of your spiritualgifts?
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
I would say for me, and I think it probably depends
on your list of spiritual gifts.
Some people define them a littlebit differently, but um
administration, definitely,serving, definitely,
discernment, yes, and wisdom.
Yes.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (09:28):
And that's why I need to need to go into that
anymore, but none of those aremine.
I feel like wisdom anddiscernment may be toward the
bottom of it.
SPEAKER_00 (09:36):
I think I think wisdom is in there.
SPEAKER_03 (09:38):
Yeah.
Administration, definitely not.
SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
Yeah, I I mean I wouldn't say that it's a gifting
of yours necessarily, but I Imean you're not bad at it.
Like these are not things thatlike you're not a you're not bad
at serving.
You're you're not bad atdiscerning.
Oh no, I mean, I don't think so.
SPEAKER_03 (09:56):
Mercy and helps.
SPEAKER_00 (09:58):
Yeah, so you would agree with those?
SPEAKER_03 (10:00):
I definitely agree with those.
Okay.
Yeah, and I think uh God'sgraciousness in giving you to me
in those areas that I don't feelas strong is just a beautiful
thing.
Like I've been in Genesis oneand two for a long time, and
just finishing up two in thedesign that God had for marriage
to be one flesh, to be a helpmate.
That word is just such abeautiful word to come alongside
and compliment.
And marriage is a gift, really,that God has given.
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And so, in many ways, I see yourspiritual gifts as completing me
in areas where I'm weak.
My uh top spiritual gifts arecreative communication.
This is the shape assessmentthat our church did a couple
years ago.
So, creative communication was96%.
So I'm gonna say thanks toFrank, my father, who taught me
how to speak from birth.
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If you get me and me and Frankin the same room, you're gonna
be hearing a lot of talking.
SPEAKER_00 (10:46):
So, yeah, that's and some of the same stories.
SPEAKER_03 (10:49):
Some of the same stories that makes me think of
Bear.
Um, teaching was my second.
Mercy, encouragement, andgiving.
So those are my top five.
SPEAKER_00 (11:00):
Mm-hmm.
I feel like we should have donethe newlywed game on this one.
SPEAKER_03 (11:04):
That would have been fun.
I would have been, I think Iwould have picked yours.
Okay, you've got the nextquestion.
SPEAKER_00 (11:10):
How do you know a calling, quote unquote, is on
your life in a certain season,and what are the steps to
surrender in obedience?
SPEAKER_03 (11:18):
Well, I'm sure my wonderful listeners are gonna
get tired of hearing me say thesame answer always to start.
But first and foremost, ifyou're making big big decisions
about calling and direction foryour life and you're not in the
word, that would be a caution tonot make any big decisions and
to get back in the word.
Abiding in God daily so that youknow him and you know his heart
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and hit like thinking God'sthoughts after him, like having
the desires that God has for thedecisions that you're making
with your life.
It's number one most criticalthing.
Second thing, similar to whatJason was saying, is is being in
community and around otherpeople who know you, know where
you are in life, and to havethese kinds of conversations
with them so they can speak intothe things that you're
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considering doing.
I also think that it's biblicaland can be a real blessing to
have a desire and keep itbetween you and the Lord and
pray on it for a period of timeand ask the Lord to remove that
desire or confirm that desirefrom like outside sources.
That's kind of what happenedwith the podcast.
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It was something that I didn'tnecessarily feel called to do,
but it had been brought up a fewtimes and then it started to be
brought up more consistently,and that felt like a
confirmation for me forsomething that I had been
waiting and praying on from theLord.
And so God is gracious and he,you know, is like, you know, I'm
like, sometimes I'm like, Lord,I am too thick to get this.
(12:48):
I just need you to show me andto confirm where you want me to
go and what you want me to do.
And so, Lord, please direct mypath.
Like he's not gonna send asinging telegram or a blimp with
a sign trailing behind it overtown.
Would be really nice if he wouldshoot some flares up, you know,
to make it really clear.
But then ultimately, I would saythat if you are abiding in him
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and if you are walking incommunity and if you've been
praying on something and thereis nothing that is holding you
back, no roadblock that isstopping you, no check in your
spirit, no, you know, convictionfrom the Holy Spirit or
disagreement from somebody elsein community, then I feel like
it's yes, in Christ, you know,that you can move forward.
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It's not sinful, it's not, youknow, it doesn't go against your
faith and your convictionbiblically, then yes, move
forward in confidence and um bebold and be courageous and do
that thing that the Lord haslaid on your heart to do.
You know, he makes each one ofus as a member of the body to do
things that others can't do.
And sometimes we're fearful.
And so taking that fear beforehim and laying it down and being
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obedient to go do the thing thathe's laid on your heart to do is
such a beautiful way to be apart of the body of Christ.
And that may not just be inministry, like I know it's
saying kind of a calling.
It might some people might thinkof this in terms of also like
vocation or career or where tolive or whether to start having
kids or you know, fill in theblank.
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But I think that advice wouldapply to all of that.
SPEAKER_00 (14:15):
Yeah, I wouldn't really add too much more.
I think we kind of talked aboutthis in a previous episode too,
about sometimes it's just amatter of there might not be a
right or wrong way to go.
And so you just kind of take astep.
And I think like you're saying,if if you're abiding, if you're
getting good wise counsel, thenit's for the most part not going
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to be harmful to take a stepbecause once you realize, oh,
maybe that wasn't the rightthing, then you're gonna
probably be quick to makeadjustments or to step back
because you're in the rightspace.
You know, your heart is in theright place and you're you're
checking it against scripture,you're checking it against
people.
So I think that gives you thefreedom and you know, kind of
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the courage to do that, becauseif it is wrong or if it's not
the best thing for you, thenyou're gonna be well positioned
to notice that instead of justblindly going down a path and
not finding out until you'vereally hit rock bottom or
something.
SPEAKER_03 (15:16):
So yeah.
And that's why we can't minimizethe idea of abiding, because I
know there are seasons where Iwas trying to make some of these
big life decisions and I was notin the word and not praying and
not surrounded by wise counsel.
And so it's like I remember justfeeling like a a crapshoot.
Like, how how am I supposed to?
It was very stressful, likewanting to do what the Lord
wanted me to do, but not knowinghim well enough to really even
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know what that looked like.
And so, again, that's why beingin the word of God is our very
life.
It is critical to all thedecisions that we make in the
things that we do.
And again, if you follow thosesteps and you have peace, then
do it.
Like, don't, don't keep waitingfor the singing telegram.
Be faithful, be obedient, and goand be bold and courageous to do
the thing that he's calling youto do because you're the only
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you that he's made and you fitin a specific space in a
specific place to do somethingbeautiful for the Lord and bring
glory to him.
So I say go for it.
If those all check the boxes foryou.
So our next question.
Uh, by the way, that questionwas our number one requested
question.
Interestingly enough, peoplewere really wanting to know how
to know if there's a calling onyour life in a certain season.
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I didn't say this, but I kind ofalluded to it with the podcast.
But also, like, if there arepeople in your life who are
like, hey, you're really good atconnecting people, you're really
good at teaching, you're reallygood at like shepherding
discipleship, like, hey, you'rereally good at behind the
scenes, like serving.
I see you doing that sofaithfully.
Like, step into those placeswhere other people might see
something in you that you don'teven see in yourself.
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Um, that's the Lord using thatperson to point you to that.
SPEAKER_00 (16:47):
Yeah, try it out and see.
Right.
See what excites.
You might be good at something,but it doesn't really excite
you.
Yeah.
So you might just be good atdoing it as a job or part-time.
Yeah.
But try it and see.
SPEAKER_03 (17:01):
Go do it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:03):
It's like thinking of Shia LaBeouf, like just I
thought you were I thought youwere thinking of Nike and you
couldn't come up with theslogan.
SPEAKER_03 (17:10):
What's the name?
SPEAKER_00 (17:10):
Like in the office, break me off a piece of that
fancy piece.
SPEAKER_03 (17:13):
Break me off a piece of that fancy piece.
Do you remember that?
Or they couldn't figure it out?
SPEAKER_00 (17:17):
I thought you just couldn't remember just do it.
And so you said go do it.
SPEAKER_03 (17:21):
I think I think I probably couldn't remember just
I was trying to think of theShia La Buff.
Like, have you guys ever seenthat on YouTube?
Shia La Buff, just do it.
What are you waiting for?
Just do it.
Okay, next question.
What is an example in your liveswhere you felt or where you
allowed God to fight for you,quote unquote.
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Letting go of control, just toclarify what they meant, letting
go of control in decisionmaking.
SPEAKER_00 (17:50):
The first thing that came to mind for me, I don't
really remember or know how thisties into decision making, but
an example where I felt orallowed God to fight for us was
just in Liam's birth.
Like with your water breakingand then just completely at the
mercy.
SPEAKER_02 (18:08):
Totally.
SPEAKER_00 (18:09):
Like we're just at the hospital, and now it's
whatever we're told to do.
And if God wants them to comeright now, then we're gonna go
down that path.
And if he wants them to comelater, then we're here for that.
So I I don't really remember awhole lot of decision making
other than just we're here,you're laying in bed, I'm doing
whatever you need, and we'redoing whatever the doctors say.
(18:31):
Yeah.
And then we're just trusting Godto make the decisions for us in
terms of when he's coming.
But that's the the biggest oneuh that I can think of in our
life.
I'm sure you have a better one,more applicable to the question.
SPEAKER_03 (18:47):
I think that's a really good one.
I think other people are gonnarelate to that.
They're gonna think of a time intheir life where they really,
you know, and and like as astragic or um traumatizing or
horrific or stressful as aseason like that, with you know,
my water breaking at 23 weeksand being told our son had less
than a 10% chance of survival,like as traumatic as that can
be, or whatever, you know,circumstance that you're
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thinking of, listener, in yourown life that you've gone
through, those are also theplaces where we get to see God
be God in a way that we neverwould have otherwise.
And it is a gift.
Like it sounds hard, harsh tosay or weird to say, but I can
say honestly that I look back onthat season, I wouldn't change a
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thing.
I'm so grateful for the waysthat God fought for us and the
way that he showed up and theway that he showed us who he is.
And we had a good outcome.
Some people don't.
Some people, there's a tragicoutcome.
And we have friends who havelost children and who have
delivered them full term and whocontinue to choose to walk with
Jesus.
And we've seen, I just thinkalso the beauty of watching.
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I'm thinking of a particularsituation with our friends who
went through a really gnarlytrial, and we watch them walk
with Jesus and not grow bitteror angry and trust the Lord with
things very much on the line.
And those, it's like otherpeople are watching.
And when I watch them go throughthat, it's actually very pivotal
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in my whole coming back to Jesusbecause it's like, okay, well,
look at what they're goingthrough, and they're choosing
Jesus, and he is worthy of theirworship, even in the midst of
their whole life coming crashingdown around them.
And what am I doing?
So it's like I kind of off on atangent here, but I do think
it's a really beautiful thingwhen you watch somebody else
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choose Jesus and let Jesus, letGod fight for them in the midst
of something so hard.
It makes me think of Exodus 14,13 to 14.
I just looked it up.
Um, the Lord will fight for you.
You need only to be still, likethat reminder that God is God.
And we are really foolish fortrying to take that role on.
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And it is a beautiful place tolive in surrender.
And sometimes it is thecircumstance that you described
where we really literally haveno option.
I can't control whether my sonis coming today or tomorrow, or
if he's going to live or die.
I mean, this life and death.
But even in other circumstanceswhere maybe your reputation is
being tarnished, or I don'tknow, I can't think of like a
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whole bunch of differentexamples.
Like I'm thinking of my healthright now, that this is
something that I have tried toget answers for for the last 10
years and seen multipledifferent doctors and tried
multiple different diets andmattresses and all these things
for the pain that I was feeling.
And I really do very much feellike as I continue to grow and
surrender and relationship withJesus, he laid the path to the
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exact doctor who was only 15minutes from my door, who's the
only one really on the wholeWest Coast who performs the kind
of surgery that I needed withprecision and is world-renowned
and was able to handle my verycomplicated case and get this
disease out of me.
It's like that for me, I thinkis the most recent example of
seeing how God fought for me,how he provided financially for
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us.
For us to be able to do thatsurgery.
I mean, I was really sick and Ididn't know how sick I was.
And so for the Lord to put allof those things in, I can't, I
can't take credit for that.
You can't take credit for that.
Even Google can't take creditfor that for as much as I
research, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (22:16):
Google can't take credit for it.
It wouldn't be worthy, but I'msure it can take credit for it.
SPEAKER_03 (22:22):
It could try.
It could try.
SPEAKER_00 (22:24):
Okay.
Next question.
What does honor and God looklike as an individual?
And what does honor and God looklike in a relationship?
SPEAKER_03 (22:32):
Ooh.
Do you have a good answer forthat one?
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
Do you want me to be honest?
I was glad that I was asking itbecause I was just going to
piggyback on yours.
SPEAKER_03 (22:41):
I mean, I think that there are things that you and I
have been able to do as a couplethat have been more effective.
Like I think of the seasons whenyou've been leading like our
small group and we've met withcouples one-on-one and been able
to talk through particularlymarriage or parenting stuff
together, that's been moreeffective.
Like I think that you and I area good team in that way.
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I also think that as a couple,you know, a mar it says in a
relationship, but for us,particularly as a married
couple, I think that Godordained us to be together,
similar to what I was sayingabout our spiritual gifts, that
I think we're much moreeffective and we can do more for
his kingdom and glorify himbetter together because we
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complement each other in reallybeautiful ways.
And I think that's grown for usas we've grown in the Lord too,
because we haven't been marriedalmost 20 years, but we haven't
been walking with the Lord likewe have for the last four years.
And so I feel like that abilityto serve and to minister to
other people not only increaseswhen we're together as a couple,
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but exponentially when we'reabiding, truly abiding in God's
word together as a couple.
Now, I don't think that doesn't,I don't think it minimizes what
we can do individually or likemakes renders being an
individual obsolete.
I think there are still thingsthat I do, like with Abidable
with women, that I'm called todo.
Certainly that you're not calledto do.
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You've been gracious and comingalongside me and supporting this
ministry through the course anddoing those videos with me or
doing this podcast with me.
But this isn't your number onechoice thing to do.
And so I think that's where wekind of like also can come out
separate and you serve in theways that you're called and
you're gifted and meet needs inthe ways that you are, like in
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your men's group or in our smallgroup, or at the place of your
employment, you know, eventhough it's a secular job,
you're called into that space,and I'm called for right now as
a mom, as a homeschool teacher,as a wife, as the abidable, I
almost said abidable mama.
SPEAKER_00 (24:49):
I was gonna say that's what sounded like that's
where you were going.
SPEAKER_03 (24:52):
I don't I don't know what I was gonna say, but so I
don't know if that answered thatquestion.
I mean, what else would you say?
That's a great question.
SPEAKER_00 (24:59):
I mean, I think one of the things that came to mind
is there's kind of the easyanswer of honoring God as an
individual, is spending timewith Him and praying and you
know, all those things, which Idon't want to say go without
saying, but in some ways, kindof, you know, like hopefully
that's kind of a given in termsof this question.
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So we're building off of that.
SPEAKER_03 (25:21):
No, but I think it's good that you said that because
I didn't touch on that at all,you know, like how you're even
just uh like you're saying,abiding in God one-on-one, not
even just outwardly serving.
I didn't talk about that, likejust honoring God with your
quiet time and your prayer lifeand your thought life.
SPEAKER_00 (25:36):
Yeah, and then well, and that's what I'm thinking
with that is that we have to bedoing that individually so that
then beautiful in arelationship, we have something
that we can bring.
You know, I can here's what I'mlearning, I can ask you
questions, I can challenge you,we can, you know, play off of
each other, I can encourage you,you can, you know, and the same
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thing with you, if if one of usis not doing that and is
essentially, you know, kind ofdead weight and just being
dragged along, then that's notlife-giving to the other person,
and that's it's draining, andwe're not equal partners in
this, and we're not using ourgifts together.
So are some of your giftsgetting sucked out if I'm not
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performing where I need to beperforming, you know, and
complimenting your gifts to tomake them flourish even more,
you know, and be highlighted andcomplimented the way they
should.
That's kind of what I wasthinking, was just in terms of
as an individual, we need to bedoing those things to be healthy
and strong so that we can thencome together and be, you know,
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what God has called us to be.
SPEAKER_03 (26:45):
I think as I'm hearing you say that too, I'm
thinking about the person who'slistening and saying, like, I am
all by myself.
I, you know, I'm in I'm in amarriage, but I am all by myself
in this journey.
You know, my my wife or myhusband has no desire to be in
the word, is not walking withthe Lord, is not even a
Christian, perhaps, and is notinterested.
And I think the word ofencouragement, we talked a
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little bit about this aboutnagging, you know, not nagging
your husband.
And God sees you and he knowsyour situation and he speaks to
it when he talks about how yourlife can have the impact on an
unbelieving husband, you know,wives, the life that you live
and how you abide in Christ andhow you love him and serve him,
Jesus can have an impact andwill have an impact on your
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spouse.
And so for the person who is allalone, maybe in a marriage,
walking by themselves withJesus, just want to encourage
you to continue pursuing hardafter Jesus and to continue
praying that Jesus wouldtransform that person's heart
who you love so much, he lovesthem more.
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You know, as much as you wantthem to be walking with Jesus so
that you can together honor God,God wants that for your husband
or for your wife more.
And so, even I think about inour marriage early on, I was
very self-righteous.
I thought I was way more matureand closer in my relationship
with Jesus and living more onfire and on purpose for him.
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And I had a really nastyattitude toward you about your
quote, you know, quote unquoteimmaturity in Christ.
Really?
Yeah, you know that.
And so there was a bitterness.
Like I had sin that I had torepent of, and God, in his
absolute kindness andfaithfulness, revealed a lot of
my own sin.
And in so doing, it's like eachone of us has enough to be
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bringing before the Lord inrepentance, and he has enough
work to be doing on each one ofus individually that
surrendering your spouse toChrist is the best possible
thing that you can do and askingto see them as Christ sees them.
Now it's doesn't mean I'mgetting way off track here, but
it doesn't mean stayingobviously in an abusive
relationship.
It doesn't mean staying in adangerous situation.
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If you're in those situations,you need to get out and seek
help and seek counselimmediately.
But I'm talking about just likea difference in your worldview
that you love Jesus and yourspouse doesn't.
And so again, I can't sayenough.
Like that that was our story andthat was our journey that I just
I'm like, oh, I, you know, I'mall in for Jesus.
And I was always hoping andpraying that you would get
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there, but now I look back andsee how completely immature and
selfish and self-righteous andall kinds of weird stuff that I
had going on in my own life.
So do do your thing with Jesusand abide with Jesus and trust
him with your spouse.
SPEAKER_00 (29:30):
I will.
Thank you.
Thank you for that permission.
SPEAKER_03 (29:35):
Are you ready for the last question?
I am not.
Well, here it comes.
How do you describe ways youview work as ministry?
Has your perspective of a jobchanged as you've drawn closer
to the Lord?
How do you work through worldlystruggles or personality issues
while staying aligned with yourvalues?
I said that was one question,but it was a bunch of them we
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tied together.
But essentially, work andministry.
Your J O B job.
How do you view that?
SPEAKER_00 (30:03):
At the risk of sounding cheesy, one thing that
I always go back to is theaudience of one, which I know is
a song at one point and can kindof sound like cliche-ish.
Uh that's a different podcast.
So if you would like to hear mesing, please visit Jason Sings
anywhere you get your podcast.
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Actually, I don't do thatbecause I have no idea if that's
a real podcast.
And it may not be something youshould be looking up.
No, but I think it it's honestlytrue.
Um that for me, I view my worklike I'm not actually working
for my boss.
It's I'm working for Jesus.
And I happen to work in localgovernment, so it's not like I'm
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doing something that's superspiritual or you know, like a
quote-unquote ministry, as somepeople would view it.
Yeah.
But that's my perspective thatI'm gonna do like doesn't matter
if I have a good boss, a badboss, if my team sucks, or I
think they suck, and maybe it'sactually me, I'm gonna do my
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work the best that I can becauseit's where God has put me.
It's the ways that He's giftedme, it's the opportunity he's
given me, and so I'm working foran audience of one.
And I say that, that's my goal.
Obviously, I'm not always doingthat.
I do lose sight of that.
I think recently I was convictedof some of the ways, especially
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with where I work, localgovernment, liberal, you know,
progressive city.
There are times that I've justkind of I wouldn't say that I've
necessarily gone along withthings that are wrong or not
biblical, but maybe haven't beenas vocal, or not even maybe
haven't been.
There are times when I have notbeen as vocal because I've been
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able to justify that it's notworth saying anything right now.
It's not gonna, it's not gonnachange anything, or people are
gonna think this way about me,and that's not really who I am,
so I need to wait until I have abetter opportunity for them to
really hear me.
If I stand up here, it's gonnacome off this, you know.
Like I was able to justify a lotof things where I I should stand
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up for what's right and say,this is you know my worldview,
this is my perspective.
Because I don't know how manytimes maybe people thought I was
going along with something or Iagreed with something because I
didn't explicitly say I don'tagree with that.
And I was able to not raise myhand and agree with it.
But if I didn't say something,did some people walk away going,
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like, oh man, Jason, he's aChristian.
He talks about Jesus, you know,like I know that about him.
I know that he reads the Bible,but he didn't say anything about
that thing.
So maybe the two go together.
Maybe that's what Christians areis that they are okay with this
thing or they go along withthis.
So that's my long-winded way ofjust saying, like, whatever job
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you're in, you know, like forme, it is ministry.
You know, everything that we doin our life is a ministry,
parenting, being in arelationship, going to work,
going to the store andinteracting with people, you
know, like these are allopportunities to live out our
faith and and to have gospelconversations with people.
So just even recently beingconvicted, just being a little
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bit more bold.
So I don't know if that'snecessarily changed as I've
drawn closer to the Lord.
I mean, I guess it kind of has.
I don't know if that answeredthe question or not, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (33:31):
Did you want to do that last part?
How do you work through worldlystruggles of personality issues
while staying aligned with yourvalues?
SPEAKER_00 (33:37):
I mean, I think that I kind of touched on that.
SPEAKER_03 (33:40):
Yeah, I think you answered it.
And the other thing about, youknow, personality issues, like I
I just watch how you serve andhow you lead and how you work,
like your work ethic and the manthat you are.
I've said this to you before.
Like, I don't think, and I'm sobiased because I you're my
favorite person, but I I don'tthink that there's people who
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have met someone like you.
Like, I think who you are as aperson of integrity, kindness,
wisdom, the way that you justcomport yourself in general is
being salt and light becauseit's so unique to most people's
work environments.
They've not had a boss like you,they've not had an employee like
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you.
And so in so many ways, it'swhat you were saying, you know,
audience of one, just how youhandle yourself is ministry
because it is a fish swimmingupstream when everybody else is
going downstream, when theculture, especially in work
environments, I'm not out in theworkforce anymore, but I hear it
from all my friends who are likejust everything's so how much
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can we lower the bar?
And how can we get away with theleast amount possible?
And how can we cut corners andhow can we just, you know, just
get through it because this is aJ O B.
And I know that you don't, thisisn't like your dream job, and
it's not like you're not like,you know, clock goes off and
you're jump, your alarm goes offand you're jumping up excited
for the day, but you go and youget it done.
And I think a big piece of thatis because you're doing it to
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serve Jesus, to glorify Jesus,and also provide for our family.
SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
Yeah, I would just say, you know, to kind of sum it
up, I think as Christians, we'recalled to do the best job we
can.
You know, like we should be, Idon't want to say the top
performers and the hardestworking necessarily, but we
should be.
And, you know, like peopleshould see us as they they take
pride in their work, they do agood job.
I think we can also show likewe're not working all hours of
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the day because that's nothealthy, right?
And that's not a good balanceeither.
So we can show people like Iwork really hard for what I'm
paid and the hours I need to.
I put in extra ones sometimes,but I also show that I have a
healthy balance with my familycomes first, you know, all these
things, and people can see that,like, man, he works really hard.
(35:52):
He's a team player, so when weneed people to stay late or work
on weekends once in a while tofinish projects, like he's
there, but he also has made itvery clear.
Like everybody would say, youknow, like you and Liam come
first.
So I'm gonna have boundariesthere.
But then also doing it with agood attitude, like we can be
loving and still bold and stilltell the truth.
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And we can have fun and we can,you know, blend all those things
together.
Like people should be able tosee, like, he works hard, but
he's a real stick in the mud.
He never like engages withpeople and he's always just
telling us, you know, what hebelieves and never lists, you
know.
SPEAKER_03 (36:30):
And you're also good at owning when you've you know
dropped the ball, asking forforgiveness.
Hey, I handled that wrong, orjust really caring about each
individual person, getting toknow each individual person uh
so that they know, you know, andand we've talked about this
before, like the idea of evenspeaking, you know, the truth to
someone or or being able tostand up, you know, as a
Christian in a very secularcity, you guys were in the
(36:51):
Pacific Northwest, and it is umvery liberal.
And so you can imagine myhusband working in government,
some of the conversations thathe is a part of.
And so, you know, having theright to be able to not write
isn't the right word, but kindof like you have established
relationship with people, theyknow who you are, they know what
you're about.
And so if you're going to speakup and say, you know what, this
(37:13):
that's that's against everythingthat I believe, and you can do
that with boldness and withtruth and in love, and also
without fear, you know, likeworst case scenario, you lose
your job and God will providefor us.
So, in anything that we do incalling and ministry and work
and in relationships, and thisis really relevant right now in
the world, uh, in terms ofspeaking up for truth when that
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feels really scary and reallyhard to do.
We just don't want to try to bemore or try to have like
apologize for got who God is.
Like, let me be morecompassionate than God by
reframing how marriage issupposed to look.
Let me let me apologize forGod's views on gender identity
(38:00):
because God got it wrong.
Like that's why we come back toabiding in the word and
understanding why God's word isabsolutely true and why we want
to not be fearful of speakingthe truth in love.
Amen.
I think that's a good place towrap up for this week.
So thanks again for being withus.
SPEAKER_00 (38:18):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_03 (38:19):
That's it for this episode.
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In next week's episode, our lastone in this Ask Us Anything
series, we will be talking aboutthe church: hurt, healing, and
hope.
We got a lot of questions aboutthis, as you can imagine.
And as you've heard me sharebefore, we were a part of one of
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the largest, most public churchcollapses in recent history.
We'll share openly and honestlyabout what that was like, what
we learned, and what we'd say tosomeone experiencing that now.
And we'll also just address whatthe church is and what she's
meant to be, and what she'llnever be until Christ comes back
for her.
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Don't miss it.
And remember, you are able toabide in the Bible.
We'll see you next time.
Until then, let's abide.
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