October 22, 2025 • 56 mins
When clients upload selfies to chatbots for “diagnoses,” we see how fast advice can outrun assessment, and why real results still come from trained eyes and hands. In this episode, our in-house aestheticians unpack the rise of ChatGPT use for skin care advice, including what it gets right, where its blind spots are, and the potential detriment to skin when using Chat GPT-recommended routines. Sit down with the team as we walk through the industry’s shift towards AI-inclusion, the hidden water cost of server farms, and comparing virtual consults to bots. Ready to protect your clients' barriers with smart, human-led care? Follow the show, share it with an esty bestie, and leave a quick review to help more listeners find us.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
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SPEAKER_05 (00:34):
Hello, hello.
Welcome to the AestheticsReport.
I'm here.
I'm Lonice Stoker.
And I'm here with my goodfriend.
SPEAKER_04 (00:44):
I'm Elizabeth Brazier.
And Lanise has her sexy voice onagain for y'all.
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Right.
SPEAKER_05 (00:51):
And we are the Dermoscope in-house
aestheticians.
And we have some a very goodtopic today that's very common
in the world right now.
The world of chat GBT.
Sometimes I think it's becominga nuisance in a sense.
But it can be very, veryknowledgeable place for
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professionals, right?
And but now it's falling intoand spilling into the aesthetics
world.
It's definitely a good tool.
I think it's a brilliant tool.
I'm hearing about it more sotoo, even in like high school
and middle schoolers, using itfor homework and things like
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that.
SPEAKER_04 (01:36):
I was just talking about that with somebody too,
because we have two girlies onour staff.
Bless them, young ones.
They're both in college.
And I have watched them use chatDPT for literally anything and
everything.
I don't know if I would callthat like cheating per se,
because I know all of them doit.
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Like, is it any better thanGoogle?
I I almost would want them touse Google instead, because at
least that you have to researchthings, right?
Yes.
SPEAKER_05 (02:07):
And then Google also, I feel like, gives more
reference points.
SPEAKER_04 (02:12):
Yes.
And you can also see where it'scoming from, like the web source
and stuff like that.
Okay, so maybe for the peoplethat have never used Chat GPT,
maybe you're in that thatcommunity of people who are
like, it's a robot or whatever,I don't understand it.
I'm not going to use it.
So let's break down what ChatGPTor just AI in general is.
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This is in a very limited sense.
You you could see it as acomputer program, right?
But it's not just a computerprogram.
It's a learning computer.
So there's these big serverfarms.
They're full of tons and tons ofservers that are like data
mining.
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They're taking stuff fromeverywhere, all over the
internet, differentpublications, things like that,
which sounds really cool, right?
But think about it.
You're taking information fromeverywhere.
It doesn't matter what thesource is, who said it, things
like that.
It's trying to learn and givethat information back to you
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based on the prompts that you'regiving it.
So a question is what's known asa prompt.
So you're asking it or asking itto do a specific job,
essentially, give you backspecific information or whatever
it may be.
And in that regard, it is reallyneat what it can do, but it is
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still a very limited technologybecause, again, it's a learning
tool, right?
It's not going to knoweverything right at the
beginning.
It's not sourcing stuff fromthings that are ideal all the
time as well.
It may give you inaccurateinformation, incomplete
information.
I also feel like it has awriting style too.
Like if you look at enoughanswers from Chat GBT or any
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kind of like AI analytic tool,you can start to see how it
writes things, right?
There's certain like uh hashtagsand different things like that
that it uses.
I don't know.
It just it has a very specificstyle.
And there also there's not a lotof like voice to it, too.
So sometimes vague information,but people have come to rely on
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it heavily already.
SPEAKER_05 (04:28):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (04:29):
And that's what these companies also want you,
they want you to be reliant onit, right?
That's what kind of happens witheverything, you know.
Our our smartphones, right?
We can't be without thoseanymore.
We have to have them to do this,to do, you know, what what we're
doing right now.
It'd be hard to go back to likea Nokia brick at this point,
right?
(04:49):
And and try to do everythingthat we're intended to do, you
know.
So these companies know thatyou're going to become reliant
on this because it says, oh, mybrain doesn't have to work as
hard.
SPEAKER_05 (05:01):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (05:02):
I I can just put it on Chat GPT.
SPEAKER_05 (05:04):
Finding a shortcut.
This is what it's creating.
Yeah.
It's leaked heavily into theaesthetics in the form that
consumers are treating Chat GPTlike it's a licensed skin
professional by uploading theirpictures and asking in the depth
of an analysis to recommendskincare.
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Yeah.
And so, and even some cases,diagnosis.
And so this is where it can poseproblems for the consumers and
the and the professionals likeus, you know, that could
possibly lose income, uh, clientbelief, you know, and
misinformation, compromisedskin, distrust in the
professionals now.
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So, my question to you is haveyour clients used chat GBT to
diagnose themselves?
Have you experienced thatfirsthand yet?
SPEAKER_04 (05:55):
So far, none of them have.
I think because they hopefullythink my brain is better than
Chat GPT.
Right.
Or that my brain is chat GPT,because it's like they come with
me with like any any singularquestion, right?
And I usually have some form ofanswer for them, or some some
way that I've come up with, youknow, uh a solution for them.
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So I haven't run across it alot.
Now I also I don't know if maybeit's an age-related thing too,
right?
Because some of mine are on notthe older end, but like say
elder millennial, gin X, yeah,you know, Boomer, those types of
ages.
I just feel like, again, this isnot something that they're
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probably going to utilize a lotbecause again, it's new
technology.
They're a little bit hesitant totry something like that.
Even me, like it took me a whileto really like actually try it
out and do anything with it.
Yeah.
And I have used it for a coupleof things.
I'll be honest, not a lot, but Ijust wanted to see what
everybody else was doing, youknow?
SPEAKER_05 (06:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (06:58):
I think there are massive limitations when it
comes to it, but I don't thinkwe can ignore it as people in
the beauty space because it'sonly, again, it's popular.
People are using it.
Companies are gonna find a wayto implement it.
I've even seen like just indieskincare brands online, they're
like, take this quiz, right?
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And you can find your perfectmatch.
You know, here, use our AI toolthat will build you like an
entire routine out of ourproducts.
And again, they don't have topay anybody to do that.
It just does it for them.
Now, is it the accurate,correct, right routine?
I don't know.
You know, could be, couldn't be.
I mean, it it there's so manyfactors when it comes to
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somebody's skin and diagnostictools and things like that.
Even when I have somebody comein, I'm asking them a million
and one questions in order toget down to like the
nitty-gritty of what's going onwith their skin.
When you're just putting in aprompt and you're saying, I have
this and this going on, write mea you know, a skincare routine.
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That's not enough to go on.
SPEAKER_05 (08:05):
And actually the clients think they have this
going on and they really don't.
Yes, misdiagnosis.
SPEAKER_04 (08:10):
That's the number one issue I have is that clients
tend to, I'd say like nine timesout of ten, misdiagnose their
skin.
SPEAKER_05 (08:18):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Like you, I haven't really hadclients come and saying that
they've asked chat for a skinroutine.
However, I do feel like it's theage group of my clientele, kind
of like my clientele is prettymuch in line with what you say,
like Gen X, um, millennials.
So it's not as common orpopular, I don't think, even for
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skincare.
I think they use it for work,you know, maybe in their
workscape, but they don't reallyknow that it can be used in
skin.
So these Gen Zers definitely aretaking that by storm.
SPEAKER_04 (08:52):
I mean, heck, people are using it as a therapist, an
actual therapist, like usingChat GPT as a therapist, which
has had some massiveimplications, and the companies
actually have gotten in troublefor that.
And if you want to go read aboutit, find the article, stuff like
that.
But so you can see how thingscould go wrong, given the wrong
type of information, becausethis it's not like it has like
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an internal monologue andsaying, Oh, this is wrong, I
shouldn't say that, you know,things like that.
That's not how these tools work,you know, they're just
regurgitating information to youin a way that, you know, usually
it sounds like you're having aconversation with somebody,
right?
They make it soundconversational, but it is just a
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computer on the other side.
And they're just giving you thisis the information that I have
learned from all of this datasource.
Here you go.
And different AI tools usethese, use different sourcing.
So you may get different answersbased on what they're using as a
source as well.
Even like when you go into likeGoogle, there'll be like an AI
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window that pops up at the topof it.
Now these these web pages use itat the top of their thing.
So people will like show me,like, oh, uh, I think it was
happening in one of the Seditiongroups, right?
People were asking a questionabout a treatment or something.
And this is like, oh, this iswhat I found on Google, but you
can tell it's the AI window fromwhere they put in, you know, the
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question in the web searchfeature.
And I'm like, that's inaccurate.
Plus, that's AI.
You can't use that as anappropriate source, especially
when you're talking about legalinstances, contraindications,
things like that, um,medications, you know, stuff
that things can go really,really wrong.
She's like, How could you tellit's AI?
I was like, I could tell by howit's written, and I also
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recognize that feature thatyou're screenshotting for me.
And unfortunately, now we haveto like know that that's AI.
SPEAKER_05 (10:48):
Right.
Like this is making things evenmore difficult now.
Yeah.
Now that you put it like that,because I didn't even think
about it from that standpoint.
Because you're right now, evenwhen you go to Google, there is
that prompt up top.
So now people are getting twodifferent ones, and it's
confusing the consumer evenmore.
So this is further, because Iwas a little unsure, but now
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this is really making me like,just book the consultation with
your institution.
Book us, okay?
Like, don't go to chat for it.
But interesting enough, withsome of the information we
found, especially um theBusiness of Beauty hosts about
the GEO and the LLMs, which Ilearned of those acronyms, you
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know, uh, in researching andstudying for this, which is
like, okay, now the company'sbrands are reving up their
strategy to be a part of this.
Because I mean, I was flooredwhen I read that, you know,
estimated 700 million weeklyusers are ARM chat alone, which
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is like, whoa.
That is a lot.
So now they're trying to makelarge language models to get
recommendations for products.
And these companies are movingaway from SEO to GEO, which is
generative engine optimizationand AEO answer engine
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optimization.
And according to the co-founderof Quick Quilt AI, he said, this
is the beginning of thebeginning.
Yeah.
And so I do believe that this isbecause it's just gonna get
worse and it's just gonna becomea more influx of people
referring to these AI generatorsto help them with skincare
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because they think it's acheaper route.
SPEAKER_04 (12:42):
Yes.
It's that whole that age-oldquestion is cheaper, better.
SPEAKER_05 (12:48):
But people want an instant thing.
That's the thing now.
People want instantgratification, instance.
SPEAKER_04 (12:54):
It's kind of like they were saying in that post,
right?
Is that they want thatone-on-one conversational,
right?
They want that one-on-onequality with this, not just like
here's a targeted ad.
That feels very impersonal,right?
People are, I think we talkedabout this a little bit when
we're talking about likeinfluencer and all of that kind
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of culture, you know, about howthey want to feel more connected
and more personalized with youknow their marketing strategies.
Because that's really all it is,is a marketing strategy.
SPEAKER_05 (13:25):
You still can't get more personal than coming in
person, yes.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (13:30):
Yes, and maybe some people feel like that's out of
reach for them.
And it I think that's what washappening with the therapists,
because let's be honest, likemental health in this in this
country is is broken.
It's a very broken system.
Yeah, that's that's what peoplereverted to, which is very sad.
So I'm hoping that people aren'tfeeling like the beauty industry
is broken, so that they'returning to that point.
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So I think we need to find a wayto be approachable and to feel
like they're gonna get an evenbetter care, you know, care
option answer when they come tosomebody directly.
I think that's where theseaestheticians who are building
virtual platforms, virtualconsults and things, virtual
skincare clients.
I think that's beautiful.
(14:13):
I think that is a very smart wayto use that interaction.
And yes, it takes a little bitof your time, whereas AI takes
none of your time, right?
They're just doing that, butyou're also not getting anything
back from that unless you havesome type of web page or
whatever with AI on it.
You know, you're you're notseeing anything as the
professional.
(14:33):
And then also, I don't I can'tcheck in with you if you're
going to an AI model.
So if something goes wrong orwhatever, what are you gonna do?
Go back to Chat GBT.
Hey, this happened.
What do I need to do?
And then you may just get morebad information.
SPEAKER_05 (14:46):
Right.
So now you're depending on adevice or an app where a human
where we're trained to know whatto do when you have a reaction
or something isn't working.
We have recommendations possiblyat our fingertips to allow you
to try.
We have a treatment that you cantry to calm and soothe the skin.
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If you had something, somethinghappen, we can guide you better
versus a bot.
Yes, yes, yes.
You're trusting a chat box thathas no personal relationship
with you, but people really arebecoming codependent on this.
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Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (15:31):
And I mean, maybe I will see it at some point.
I I I do have some of thoseyounger clients, and then of
course I've got the girls in thein the space with me right now,
and they may come to me withsomething with like, hey, what
do you think?
Like Chat GBT said this and thisand this.
You know, I I do think we needto embrace it for what it is,
(15:52):
but not rely on it, right?
So never forgetting what thattool is in its in its very basic
terms.
But I think you as a business,if we can kind of like route
that way, you as a businessentity may be able to use it in
an effective way.
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For some people, they're usingit to write their copy for
websites or blog posts or thingslike that.
If you're not good with thatkind of stuff, it is a good
starting tool.
Okay.
But it has a very particularwriting style, and people can
see that.
So don't just copy and paste.
Okay.
That's usually what people do,and it's that is not a good way
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to go.
You need to get somethingstarted, maybe an outline, maybe
just how to.
I've had it like look at myInstagram page.
I've had it like, you know, justlike, hey, look at this and
analyze it for me.
Tell me what you think, tell mewhat you see.
Use it in that way.
I I had it plan a whole babyshower for me when I was trying
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to.
I come up with like a theme thatI wanted.
So my baby shower last last yearwas um during winter time, but I
didn't want it to be like awintery snow Christmas baby
shower.
I wanted to do like a madmenstyle, very 60s things like
that.
So I had Chat GPT like help meplan a party.
(17:19):
You know, they were like, here'ssome fun, like era style games
and food and stuff like that.
Use it to your advantage thatway.
You know, if you're not goodcoming up with that kind of
stuff, it can be great.
I didn't use all of the ideas,but I thought, oh, that, and it
pulled up like music selections.
I made a playlist out of thethings that, you know, my
brother just planned his wholeHawaii trip through Chat GPT.
SPEAKER_05 (17:42):
Oh wow.
See, I didn't even know we cando all that.
That's that's yeah, that'samazing.
Yeah, I think that's reallycool.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_04 (17:49):
So there are creative ways to use it to your
advantage, but you cannot relyon it on the very important
things.
Like I said, with with legaldocuments, with uh protocols for
your treatments, you need torely on what the company is
telling you, okay?
When it comes to like medicationinteractions, things like that,
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do not rely on that because Idon't know where they're
sourcing that information from.
And I would never want topotentially put somebody in harm
because I was getting badinformation.
SPEAKER_05 (18:18):
Yeah.
But why do you think people arerelying on chat so much versus
just booking a consult with withan esthetician?
Why is that?
SPEAKER_04 (18:27):
For them, again, like you said, it's that instant
gratification, right?
It may take them a couple weeks,maybe a month, to get in with
us.
And, you know, maybe they'relike, oh, they can build a
drugstore.
All these people are gonna likesell me like expensive skincare.
So I just want a drugstoreroutine.
If that's truly what they'rewanting, maybe they're just not
my client anyway.
SPEAKER_05 (18:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (18:47):
But also, I do get that person, can you tell me
something from the drugstore?
And I'm like, I'll be honest, Idon't know much at a drugstore.
SPEAKER_05 (18:54):
But I I did I did see that article where they did
recommend like some products tothe lady that tried it for a
month.
And they they recommended hersome pretty expensive things.
SPEAKER_06 (19:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (19:07):
And I was really impressed with that.
But now, do you think thesecompanies are really gonna
heavily invest some kind of way?
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (19:18):
I I'm I assure you that their marketing teams are
already trying to work it insomehow.
I mean, if it's not that, thenit's also the corporations who
are using it in their back endsalready.
Like, I don't know how many, howmany meetings my husband had
where they have like some newtool or some whatever, and he's
like, So it's AI.
SPEAKER_05 (19:38):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (19:39):
You know, and not necessarily to make it like take
anybody's job, but like alsoit's again, they're like, we're
gonna implement an AI toolbecause it's cool, you know,
whatever.
It's not cool though.
It's like they're just like,it's just another thing we have
to deal with.
I think it's how you're writingprompts, there's whole prompt
writers, like they get hiredjust to write prompts for their
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AI tools for businesses, right?
So if you wanted to help writeprompts for these people to find
like their ideal, you know,skincare strategy or what
treatment, you know, treatmentsthey should look for in their
area, try something like that.
I mean, if you really want toget creative, you're not working
behind the chair or somethinglike that, do that.
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Help them, like work, work withthe tool.
I will I will say this because Ido feel strongly about this.
Like, I am a sustainable gal,right?
Yeah, I I like sustainability inboth like long-term results with
my clients, but also I feel likethe beauty industry is very
wasteful already.
Chat GPT is a big economicstressor when it comes to like
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water usage, and I don't think alot of people understand that
too.
So this is this is my tangent onthat.
This just so you can be awarewhen you are using it, use it
sparingly.
But uh yeah, these server farmsare not only using water every
time that you write a prompt,but they use it to cool down the
servers, and it's massiveamounts of water.
(21:10):
You're not talking it's just adrip line or whatever, you're
talking massive amounts ofwater.
SPEAKER_05 (21:15):
Wow.
I had no clue about that either.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (21:18):
Wow.
Like bathtubs amount of waterevery time you ask a question.
A question, a prompt.
That's it.
Like it's not like a day orwhatever.
No, every it's so you think ofall these people, right, that
are using this every single dayand every single prompt because
these servers are working sohard to farm that they need all
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this water to keep cool, plusall the other water usage that
they're doing as well.
And then I think the people thatare living around these server
farms are also having likemassive health complications,
too.
You do whatever you want.
We have free will in thiscountry, but I always like to
preface that because people,again, like you said, you don't
realize that.
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You just innocently we thinkwe're, you know, it's like a web
page.
Right.
So we're just putting in someinformation.
That's not how AI works becauseit is a learning tool.
So use it, use it smartly, useit sparingly.
Yeah.
But I think there's ways that wecould work with it in the
industry where it doesn't haveto become the enemy.
SPEAKER_05 (22:19):
Yeah, it's here to say, but you don't think it's
gonna affect us as skincareprofessionals?
SPEAKER_04 (22:25):
I think people, especially our clients right
now, they become too ingrainedwith us on a personal level.
SPEAKER_05 (22:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (22:31):
They may bring something to me at one point and
be like, hey, Chat GPT saidthis.
I just thought it wasinteresting.
What's your take on it?
SPEAKER_05 (22:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (22:38):
So they may put me up against Chat GPT to like, you
know, for some information orsomething.
SPEAKER_05 (22:43):
But I definitely think I think the brands are
gonna definitely be influencedto market.
SPEAKER_04 (22:48):
Yeah.
Or we're we're gonna bemarketed, you know, an AI tool
to use in our back room, youknow.
SPEAKER_05 (22:57):
Sounds so uh I don't know.
I don't know.
I think that's I think it'sfunny, but I think that's
coming.
That's like somebody puttinglike the EWG approved on their
but I think it's coming becauseit's not going anywhere.
I don't know.
I think I think some of themwill jump on that train.
SPEAKER_04 (23:15):
If they do, I'm like, I'm never never again.
SPEAKER_05 (23:21):
But I I do see it because people wanna quote
unquote these companies, brandswant to stand out, and it's
gonna be someone that is goingto jump on that and say, I think
if they're trying to capturethat younger market, like you
said.
Yeah, I definitely think it'sgonna be the younger ones for
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sure.
SPEAKER_04 (23:42):
Yeah, so it may not necessarily be anything that we
have to worry about right now,but maybe once that that
generation, you know, keepsmaturing and kind of becomes
like our long-term clientele, itit might be, but I don't I don't
know if we'll have to worryabout it in the instance right
now, just where our clients aregenerationally.
(24:03):
If you have a lot of youngerclients or that's who you market
to, then it's probably gonnahappen a lot sooner.
Um so it's something youdefinitely want to maybe take
some information, lessons on,things like that.
I I heard another, I don'tremember who it was on
Instagram.
It was another like estheticianmentor.
They were like, do not ignoreAI, Chat GPT, learn how to
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utilize it, strategize with it.
Yeah, but don't ignore it andjust pretend it's not there
because it is.
It's kind of like anything else,right?
It's like we we can just try topretend it's not happening, but
that leaves you behind everybodyelse because then you're just
playing catch up when it doesget here.
SPEAKER_05 (24:46):
And I know, but then but it makes it so tough because
then there's dermatologists thatbelieve it's a positive tool.
And so then with dermatologistsbeing a skin doctor, you know,
um, people would probably beswayed.
Where we looked up Dr.
Leona Yip said, you know, shebelieves it's great, it's
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positive.
I mean, good for her.
In her review, though, it willto me it was kind of contra
contradictory.
So I don't know.
If y'all, if y'all areinterested, go check her out
yourself and listen.
Well, she said it's positive,but then it didn't really seem
positive, so but then the ownerof chat was like he's shocked
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that people are utilizing it somuch.
So it's it's a lot.
So he's like, he didn't bothreally realize people were
utilizing it so much for this.
So it's definitely I thinkbusiness, yes.
Getting your skincare routine,no, simply because my personal
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opinion on why ChatGBT skinrecommendations is recommending
seven different brands for youto use on your skin.
It's not like you're usingeminence, enemy, eminence,
enemy.
You're using this, this, this,and this, and this.
You know, it's too many brands,and the skin actually likes the
(26:15):
same thing.
The skin does not like for youto use seven different product
brands on your skin in one day.
Your skin can go into shock.
You can upset your skin verybadly using a different brand
cleanser, a different brandtoner, a different brand serum,
and a different brandmoisturizer, a different brand
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sunscreen.
That makes me cringe so much asan ST.
That cringes me, but that's whatI've seen chat has given these
studies that I've been lookingat.
SPEAKER_04 (26:50):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, and what's to say thateven in the instance that you do
use all those products, right?
Are they even gonna lay downtogether?
Because I feel like in thetreatment room, like we've
tried, you know, a lot of ourskincare companies together with
each other, with maybe otherthings that we've had at home,
stuff like that.
We know how it marries withthings.
(27:11):
So I I don't see how it couldfigure out that those would all
essentially work together.
SPEAKER_05 (27:17):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (27:18):
I don't know.
It's there's a lot oflimitations.
Like I really have to get inthere and look at somebody's
skin.
I can't rely on what they'retelling me alone.
Right.
SPEAKER_05 (27:27):
Because you have to touch, feel, and see the skin.
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04 (27:31):
Yeah, because I'll tell them I'm like, well,
actually, you have this and thisgoing on and this and this going
on.
So really we need to addressthat.
Otherwise, these other thingsaren't gonna get better.
But they don't even know that A,B, and C are happening to cause
those things, right?
And granted, maybe they'll trytheir chat GBT routine and then
realize it's not working andcome back to us.
Things like that.
SPEAKER_05 (27:52):
Yeah.
I mean, because let's be clear,someone that has acne, right?
Most commonly, andaestheticians, y'all can agree,
when someone has acne, most ofthe time, people want to strip
away all oil from their skin.
They want to use oil-free this,oil free that, oil free, oil
free, oil free.
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When really that can bedetrimental because your skin
actually needs the perfectbalance of both oil and water to
actually heal the skin.
But when you strip it ofeverything, that can lead to
more even breakouts.
But chat cannot determine thatbecause they're not seeing your
skin.
SPEAKER_04 (28:32):
Yeah.
Even with pictures, pictures isnot textural.
Pictures is not like sometimesyou can't even see the
inflammation.
And so I just I don't think it'scoming for our job.
Let's just be clear about that,right?
Okay.
I don't think it's coming forour job.
It reminds me of back in theday.
I don't even know if oh, whatwas it called?
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Planet Tan.
Anyway, they used to have likeautomated everything in their
little stores.
I never went in, but I rememberlooking at the thing, and it was
like you could pay like amembership fee, right?
But you'd basically go in andget an automated facial and I'm
like, are robots taking our job?
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But also I'm like, I reallywanted to go and try it because
I was like, I have to see whatit's even doing, but I never
heard anything beyond that.
So I don't even know if that's athing anymore.
It's like the uh what was it,the little robot at the at
Target or something that wasdoing nails for a while?
It was like painting nails.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It didn't trim or anything likethat, it just polish, polish,
polish, polish.
Again, I think that's whateverybody kind of assumes with
AI, but it's it's different thanthat, but also it's not
physical.
But I do think that we need tounderstand it.
And you know, if if you're avery specialized person in the
field, maybe do facial massagesand stuff like that, that's not
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something that AI can take awayfrom you, right?
You know, they can go online andwatch.
A video of like how to do afacial massage, but it's never
going to be like a professionalone.
Someone who's studied and youknow perfected their craft and
really can kind of like pick outthe tension in your face and
things like that.
SPEAKER_06 (30:11):
Right.
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SPEAKER_04 (31:02):
I don't know.
How are you feeling about itoverall?
SPEAKER_05 (31:06):
I definitely feel like the Gen Z put more trust in
this type of stuff,unfortunately, because of the
instant gratification thatpeople want.
Also, I feel like it's the factthat people just I don't want to
say lazy because they actuallyare seeking something.
(31:26):
So it's not lazy.
I still think it's just theywant something at their
fingertips right away.
They want something easilyaccessible than maybe going
online to book an appointment towalk into a place physically to
see someone.
Or maybe people are embarrassedand they're like, Man, my skin
(31:47):
is really jacked, and I justwant to use this, you know, the
people that device.
SPEAKER_04 (31:53):
They come in, they're like, I'm so sorry about
my face.
And I'm like, what are youapologizing for?
Like, that's literally why I'mhere.
SPEAKER_05 (32:01):
That's why I'm here.
But so I don't really know.
I would maybe love to interviewa Gen Zier to see like why to
like further this discussionbecause it's not going anywhere.
But maybe this could besomething deeper because I want
to hear their thought process.
SPEAKER_04 (32:17):
I wanna, I want to get their their thoughts because
they're you they are they'reusing it all the time, and I
want to get their thoughts aboutlike, hey, uh, maybe I'll
interview um some of the girlsat at work about it.
SPEAKER_05 (32:30):
And yeah, because I just want to understand their
logic.
SPEAKER_04 (32:34):
Because they're very smart, you know, smart girls.
Clearly, they got into college,they're both on the track to be
nurses, stuff like that.
But there was a study aboutpeople's like brain capacity,
like when they were using morechat GPT, it was starting to
turn off certain areas wherebasically they didn't have the
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capacity to like think throughstuff anymore.
Like that was starting to it'sdangerous, yes, yes.
And I mean, granted, everyonesaid the same thing about the TV
when it was invented.
Okay, so we just we just gotta,you know, kind of throw that in
the forefront.
Like, this is bad, and likeeverybody's gonna get stupid.
But it's uh but I I understand,but we still have to put
(33:22):
limitations on screen time.
We can we know that it is likekilling, you know, how our
attention spans are, right?
I mean, can you can you focus onanything?
I can't focus on anything, butgranted, I'm also a mom of two.
Like, I I try my best to there'szero focus.
SPEAKER_05 (33:37):
Yeah, I want to read a book so bad and I fall asleep,
you know, like physically open abook to read it.
SPEAKER_04 (33:43):
Yes, so I just opt for the audiobooks because
literally the moment I sitstill, but again, because it's
it's simpler that way, and alsoyou're like, I don't have time
to sit down and read a book, youknow.
SPEAKER_05 (33:54):
Well, because I fall asleep so fast, so it's like
dang.
So it it's like it's where weagree to an extent.
I think it's cool to see whatpops up, but then come to your
esthetician and then see, reallysee what happened.
(34:14):
You know, like I think it's afun opt to see.
Okay, this is what they said,but now let me go to my
esthetician.
SPEAKER_04 (34:23):
Yeah, and see what she don't think of it as a
trend.
Yeah, it's it's definitely hereto stay, here to play, whatever.
But you know, I I don't think ithas place inside the treatment
room just now.
Again, I'm sure some of thesecompanies will start to market
some things to you, especiallymaybe probably in the med spa
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space, because I feel likethat's where they're trying to
push the AI already.
SPEAKER_05 (34:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (34:47):
Even on like the the software systems and stuff like
that, you know.
But it's just I even those likechat bots that like pop up on
things, you know.
SPEAKER_05 (34:59):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (35:00):
I'm I'm not someone that likes to interface with
those types of things because Iknow I'm not talking to a
person.
I don't know.
So I know I'm not gonna get theinformation I need.
It's just but like say Amazon,they make you do that just to
like return something, you know.
SPEAKER_05 (35:14):
Yeah, and that's uh that's annoying.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (35:17):
So you don't want to turn your spa into like an
AI-driven, you know, model.
SPEAKER_05 (35:22):
But what it so I know this is one more thing.
What about those face analyzingdevices that are so popular
right now?
SPEAKER_04 (35:30):
You know, I I haven't I don't know if I've
tried one.
SPEAKER_05 (35:34):
Do y'all have one at y'all's pa?
Oh, like the skin scanner thing?
No, yeah, the skin scanner, andthen it recommends products.
Is that the same or no?
Do you feel like that's thesame?
SPEAKER_04 (35:42):
I feel like because it's actually taking like live
for the most part, some of themthat I've seen, you're actually
putting your face into thesystem, and then it's using like
different light beams and thingslike that to target specific
things.
SPEAKER_05 (35:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (35:59):
I did get a claim, I mean, this was a few years ago.
Um, so probably not as AI drivenor anything like that, but she
was saying that there was likeum this bacteria on her skin
that she needed to get rid of.
This woman did not have like anounce of apnea, so I'm not even
sure what this was regret.
She was like, see, it's reallyhigh here.
And I'm like, I'm not even surewhat that is, actually.
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So I I don't know, I do like theskin scanner option.
I think those are great to showlike before and afters and how
your results are going and howto kind of show you know your
hydration levels and you know,reducing wrinkles and things
like that as that type of tool.
But to analyze and be like, oh,you know, you need all of these
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products.
No, just let me do that.
Let me do that.
Yeah, just give me the readout.
Give me the readout of whatyou're finding, the pigmentation
under the skin or you know,stuff that we need to look out
for.
Don't recommend product though.
SPEAKER_05 (36:52):
That's my job.
Yes, absolutely.
Um, I agree.
So, all in all, what I'm hearingis we like it to an extent.
Still book your consultationwith your aesthetician.
So we can probably recommend youa professional grade skincare
routine.
Don't rely on AI.
(37:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (37:16):
You should write that on a shirt.
Dorian, put that one on the nextDermoscope shirt.
SPEAKER_05 (37:21):
Did you hear the tag that I just made?
I need my my my coins ifsomebody uses it.
She said, Don't rely on AI.
Don't rely on AI.
For skincare, that is.
We're talking about skincare,guys.
But yes.
So, guys, yes.
So, thank y'all so much.
I think they're gonna wrap thisall up with the whole chat
(37:42):
because it's so popular.
We can go on and on about that.
SPEAKER_04 (37:45):
There's so much, and there's so much, like, I still
don't understand about it, andonly know from a very limited
standpoint.
And I'm sure somebody'slistening to my like breakdown,
they're like, that's not how itworks.
SPEAKER_05 (37:56):
What we do understand is skills.
Yes, yes, and we will make thebest recommendations, and not
just us, all of us otherlicensed estheticians across the
world that are listening.
And I think this is anopportunity for y'all to go to
your IGs and go live and talkabout this so your clients can
(38:17):
know you are the real deal, youare the skin expert, and book
the consultation and theappointment with you so you can
probably you can probablyrecommend skincare products for
this.
SPEAKER_04 (38:28):
Yes, yes.
Now we're gonna do some productreviews.
Got a lot, got a lot to tellyou.
We did stuff just kept rollingin, and I was like, wow, okay.
So osmosis, stem factor MD.
So actually, I was I was kind ofsurprised.
I don't know why I wouldn'tthink of like osmosis as having
like a growth factor solutionbecause they're very like
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holistic based.
And sometimes growth factordoesn't really get into like the
holistic space because peopleare like, oh, it's you know,
it's human derived and thingslike that.
So I fully expected it to belike a plant stem cell serum,
but it is a human-derived stemcell like factor uh serum.
Um and I've actually had Michaeltrying it as well because oh,
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nice, he's never really usedone.
Like I had already incorporatedgrowth factors and exosomes into
my routine.
So I was like, I don't know ifI'm gonna gauge it as much on
me.
So I tried it a little bit, butthen I had him like really fully
trying it in his routine.
Um, and his skin does look likemore even, a little bit calmer
(39:32):
and things like that.
It's you know, it hasn't beenlike super crazy long.
Um, and I'd like to trial itwith like some laser treatments
and things too.
It definitely is like aninteresting, it's more like a
gel and it kind of has like atackier dry down on the skin,
um, but it does smell reallygood.
I think they have like a coupleof essential oils in it, so it
doesn't smell like the grosslike growth factor serum legs of
(39:54):
in the past.
So yeah, I think it's aninteresting treatment.
I'll keep watching his skin onit, but so far it's done pretty
well with him, and I was happyto get him to use an extra
product in his routine.
SPEAKER_05 (40:08):
Yeah, I know it's kind of hard for me.
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_04 (40:11):
I mean, he's he's good at doing his routine, just
not a bunch of steps, you know.
SPEAKER_05 (40:15):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_04 (40:16):
It gets limited.
And then the rapid flash eyelashenhancing serum.
So again, this is one that I'vehad multiple times in my routine
trialing out for here as well.
I love a good eyelash serum.
This one's definitely like atried and true.
It's been around for a longtime.
And that's the thing with likeeyelash serums, like, there's
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really only a good fewingredients that really
ultimately work for lash growth.
SPEAKER_06 (40:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (40:42):
And like there's some good like peptide stuff on
the market and things like that,but they're not like truly going
to like get that hair growingout of those follicles.
Some will just condition, thingslike that.
This has like the full workup ofingredients in there.
So, yeah, that's a couple I'vebeen trying at first.
And what else have you had rightnow?
SPEAKER_05 (41:01):
So I've had the eminence.
So eminence has been around fora very long time, and I was
excited because I haven't gottenthe opportunity to use eminence
in a very long time.
One of the first lines I cameacross 10 years ago when I
became an esthetician, the factthat they were very organic,
natural, cruelty-free brand, andthat's what made them really
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attractive to me.
But I got to try their new TulsiSnow Mushroom Cleansing Milk.
And I love a good creamylathering cleanser because I do
feel like the cleanser is themost important step, obviously,
in skincare.
And it feels really good, reallylight.
(41:46):
The smell is nice, and I just itdidn't strip your skin because
you know, some foam can kind ofdry you out, um, but it does
not.
It actually calmed my skinreally good.
I used it to remove my makeupone day, too, and uh I really
enjoyed that.
So it feels really good.
Um, I learned more about Tulsi.
I wasn't fond of what that was,and it's an antioxidant
(42:10):
adaptogen.
So I thought that was reallycool that they included that to
reduce inflammation, theappearance of retinous in the
skin, and then learning aboutthe mushrooms and skincare too
to improve the barrier function,the hydration, reducing
inflammation, all of that is myjam.
So I think that's great foreminence and congratulations on
(42:31):
this new hero.
Yes.
I feel like it's good.
SPEAKER_06 (42:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (42:34):
Um, I also have the Face Reality Barrier Care Gel
Cream.
Definitely just one of thoseproducts I feel like is going to
be soothing, calming, safe foranybody with sensitized skin.
This will be a great go-to torestore the skincare barrier if
it's I've been screaming at you,any redness, any type of
(42:56):
inflammation.
This will be your go-tofinishing product for someone
with sensitive skin.
Um, great for those with acnefor sure, of course, because
that's their that's their triedand true.
I guess some of the keyingredients that were cool in
there was the squalene becauseit's really lightweight.
Um, and then the fact that ithas some humectants and amino
(43:18):
acids and hyaluronic acid in it.
You know, I love me a goodhyaluronic acid, so I think that
is also uh really good.
So I think that's a safe productfor everyone.
Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (43:29):
So Dr.
Schramek.
SPEAKER_05 (43:32):
Okay, Dr.
Schramek, thank you so much forsending us these BB creams, and
all of them.
SPEAKER_04 (43:37):
Not just not just one, but all and it's different
tones, which is also reallyexciting because mostly with
most of the lines that I'veworked with, it's always been a
universal shade, right?
SPEAKER_05 (43:48):
Exactly.
Which I feel like darker skintones just kind of get we get
left out, we get left out andleave out the higher fits all
the time.
All the time.
So they actually included everyFitzpatrick, which was very
impressive.
Yes.
And they they work really well.
Yeah.
I really liked it.
Um, I am gonna try it on some ofmy other clients, especially
(44:09):
with the higher fits, to see howit goes.
SPEAKER_04 (44:11):
Yes, yeah.
I I'm I'm keeping them to likegive it to some of my clients to
try out because again, like wehave the skin better tone smart,
which I love, but it only worksup to like that middle tone of
skin.
And so these are kind ofinteresting, and so I'll I'll
kind of get their feedback on ittoo.
But yeah, it's very wearable.
SPEAKER_05 (44:31):
I did a video too.
I may post it.
Okay, if dermoscope allow me.
I have I have a video that I putevery swatch on my arm so people
could see that they had moreoptions for a BB cream for other
fits.
SPEAKER_04 (44:44):
Because I felt like the last option was it was
pretty pigmented, you know.
Yeah, because it's not a superlike heavy wear.
Because BB creams are beautybombs, is what that stands for,
and so they're meant to be likea tinted moisturizer in a way.
So go on like very thinly andyeah, and just kind of like
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cover imperfections, just kindof make the skin look a little
more even.
They're not meant to be likefoundations, so that's why
foundations usually need so manyshades because they're trying to
be like fully pigmented, fullcoverage, those types of things,
like tinted sunscreens, tintedmoisturizers, BBC C creams, like
those are really meant to bekind of thin on the skin, wear
(45:28):
very comfortably and not reallylook like anything on there.
SPEAKER_05 (45:31):
Get that like very and it's like non-comogenic to
the fact that she uh created herformula that you're supposed to
be actually bob, of course.
SPEAKER_04 (45:39):
Yeah, and I haven't had any issues with it, so
that's to say something.
SPEAKER_05 (45:44):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
So um, yes, thank you.
So we had fun trying all ofthese products this pastime.
Yes, definitely.
SPEAKER_04 (45:53):
Yeah, so our game today is actually to play with
chat GPT, and I'm not gonnathink of how much water I just
used to ask this question.
Right, right, right.
But uh, we were asked to promptChat GPT to recommend a skincare
routine for us, and then we'regoing to eviscerate it.
(46:16):
No, we're going to play it foryou, and then um see what we
think about this this routinefor us.
Maybe read the prompt that youput in and then play back what
the uh what it said to you.
SPEAKER_05 (46:31):
Okay.
So the prompt that I put in waswell, you know, it typed all
this stuff up and I have to goback up.
Okay, so recommend me a skincareroutine for a 40-year-old woman
that has normal to dry skin,about Fitzpatrick III with
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enlarged pores.
That's what I put.
Okay.
Okay, I'm gonna find it.
SPEAKER_00 (47:01):
Morning routine.
One, gentle cleanser.
Use a sulfate-free hydratingcleanser, cream or gel.
Look for ingredients likeceramides or glycerin.
Avoid foaming cleansers thatstrip oils into dryness can
emphasize pores.
Two, antioxidant serum, vitaminC 10 to 15% L-ascorbic acid or
derivatives like sodium ascorbal phosphate for
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brightening, collagen support,and pore refinement.
Bonus helps fade uneven tone andprotect from free radical
damage.
3.
Hydrating essence toner,optional but beneficial, with
hyaluronic acid or panthanol toplump and smooth texture.
Prepare skin for moisturizer andreduces dehydration lines.
4.
Moisturizer, lightweight butnourishing.
(47:45):
Ingredients to look forniacinamide, poor minimizing,
barrier support, squalane orpeptides.
5.
Sunscreen, non-negotiable, broadspectrum SPF 30 to 50.
Opt for a lightweight hydratingformula, chemical or hybrid
sunscreen that won't settle inpores.
Evening routine.
1.
Cleanser.
Same gentle cleanser as morningto remove makeup, dirt, and
(48:07):
sunscreen.
2.
Exfoliation, 2 to 3 eggs perweek.
Use a chemical exfoliant withpHA, gluconolactor, or
low-strength lactic acid forgentle resurfacing.
Avoid harsh scrubs, they worsenenlarge pores over time.
3.
Treatment serum.
Retinol or retinaldehyde 2 to 3nights a week to start working
up tonightly.
(48:28):
Helps with collagen stimulation,fine lines, and visible pore
size.
If sensitive, alternate withniacinamide serum or hydrating
peptide serum.
4.
Moisturizer.
Slightly richer than AM if skinfeels dry.
Look for ceramides, cholesterol,and hyaluronic acid.
Weekly, optional boosters.
Clay or enzyme mask one week,refined pores without
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overdrying.
Facial oil, one or two weeksweek at night.
Add a drop of rose hip or Jehobaoil into moisturizer for extra
nourishment.
Professional treatments,occasional hydrating facials,
chemical peels, or microneedlingcan further improve poor
visibility and skin texture.
SPEAKER_04 (49:06):
Alright.
SPEAKER_05 (49:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (49:07):
So what do you think?
What do you think of yourroutine?
Would you do that?
SPEAKER_05 (49:11):
It was pretty decent.
I can't say.
I mean, I have to say that.
SPEAKER_04 (49:15):
I'd say there were things I agreed with, and then a
couple things that I was like,eh?
SPEAKER_05 (49:19):
Yeah, it was a couple like.
SPEAKER_04 (49:20):
But yours actually recommended a professional.
SPEAKER_05 (49:22):
So I know.
I was shocked.
That's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_04 (49:26):
That's pretty cool.
And I do, I do like that youokay.
So let's go back to like writingprompts, right?
We have to write promptsefficiently in order to get the
right type of information.
You put your your age in.
I didn't even think to do that.
Why?
I don't know, because I'm aprofessional and I should know
that.
But that could make adifference, right?
So it it took that intoconsideration.
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And I love that it saidsunscreen's a non-negotiable.
Yeah.
We love we love a sunscreenking, as the gin zs say, right?
But uh I'll I'll read you myprompt and then we can go over
mine.
So I said recommend a skincareroutine for me as someone that
is very acne prone and sensitiveprone with lots of pigmentation.
I am also pombo skin.
SPEAKER_02 (50:08):
Thank you for sharing those details.
Since you have acne prone,sensitive combination skin with
pigmentation, the key is to keepyour routine gentle,
non-communogenic, andbrightening without overwhelming
your skin barrier.
Here's a recommended routine.
Cleanser.
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Gentle, non-foaming, gentlecream cleanser.
Treatment.
(50:54):
You can have a gentle red pointfor pigmentation.
Like we're supporting voicereserves.
(51:58):
Avoid horse crosses wrong.
General test Introduce oneactive at a time, like oxygenic
acid or retinoid.
Always patch a test.
Stick with each change for fourto six weeks before evaluating
results.
Consistency plus sunscreen isthe best improvement for
pigmentation.
SPEAKER_04 (52:17):
See now, my gal's acting like she a whole skin
skin therapists over here.
Right.
SPEAKER_05 (52:24):
And she gave you recommendations, like products.
Mine did not.
SPEAKER_04 (52:28):
See, that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_05 (52:29):
It's like Well, it did at the end.
At the very end, but he didn'tread it.
Let me say that.
SPEAKER_04 (52:34):
So it's it's it's not gonna be the same person to
person.
And I don't know, maybe that'sjust even like where we're
putting in the information orthings like that.
But yeah, so you know, a couplethings about so we'll say that
from a skin therapist'sperspective, looking at this.
One, my skin does not agree withniacinamide at all.
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So that would have been thatwould have gone very, very
badly.
And I've taken that to heart andjust ran with it.
Athletic acid, it's not bad.
I don't feel like for the skintype that I have, it's gonna
like fix all of the issues, butI don't think it's a bad
suggestion to start with.
It like gave me the ordinary,which I don't I don't know much
about that product, you know.
So it's like it gave me stufffrom ELTA, from the ordinary,
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from exactly from everyone.
SPEAKER_05 (53:19):
All of it, like up, up and down.
SPEAKER_04 (53:21):
Like there really wasn't any like, hey, you asked
for this level of product orthis level of product or
whatever.
It's not saying that that's agood product, they're just like
this is one that you can use,you know.
I did like the general tips thatit gave about, you know, I don't
think like the whole likesunscreen is great for
pigmentation.
Sun everybody needs sunscreen,like right all the people need
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sunscreen.
But I did like that it said, youknow, to use one at a time, use
it for uh a time before youintroduce another one, you know,
that it was a lot of actives,though, it's like azoleic, AHA,
uh diacinamide, retinoid.
That's that's a lot of things touse in a week, you know, in a
routine.
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And then like the cleansing, I'mlike, I always would say a
double cleanse for somebodywho's combo skin.
Yeah, just because you're gonnaget the best cleanse and you
know, things out of that.
But overall, it wasn't terrible.
My skin probably would have notdone well on it.
SPEAKER_05 (54:20):
Yeah.
I mean, mine just did uh minewas pretty simple, I feel like,
because it basically gave me agentle cleanser, uh antioxidant
serum, which was vitamin C, whatthey recommended, a toner, and a
lightweight moisturizer, but anourishing.
SPEAKER_04 (54:35):
And it also gave us both clay masks, which was
interesting.
SPEAKER_05 (54:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (54:38):
And I'm like, yeah, I'm not a fan of clients using
clay mask on their skin becauseI feel like they let them dry
down too long, they get a littletoo harsh on the skin.
Like, there's different types ofclays, like some can be more
nourishing, things like that.
But when it's like, yeah, useone for your oil control.
It when I have done that in thepast, my skin has been very raw
and angry.
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So, again, again, there'slimitations to this.
That's really what we're we'recoming down to.
But um, it's there and it's hereto stay.
So don't rely on AI, right?
SPEAKER_05 (55:10):
Don't rely on AI.
Because, like uh, like you justsaid though, like your skin does
not agree with neothenamide, youknow.
But a client doesn't know that,a potential consumer doesn't
know that.
So therefore, it could bedetrimental, and then it's gonna
make things worse.
SPEAKER_04 (55:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (55:30):
So it's a 50-50 here, I guess.
SPEAKER_04 (55:33):
We're we'll we'll be here to try it out and use it,
but ultimately stick to what youknow and keep keep up with your
skill set.
SPEAKER_05 (55:43):
Book your book your dissertation, guys.
SPEAKER_04 (55:46):
That's the end of the show.
All right, okay.
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Hello, hello.
Welcome to the AestheticsReport.
I'm here.
I'm Lonice Stoker.
And I'm here with my goodfriend.
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And we are the Dermoscope in-house
aestheticians.
And we have some a very goodtopic today that's very common
in the world right now.
The world of chat GBT.
Sometimes I think it's becominga nuisance in a sense.
But it can be very, veryknowledgeable place for
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professionals, right?
And but now it's falling intoand spilling into the aesthetics
world.
It's definitely a good tool.
I think it's a brilliant tool.
I'm hearing about it more sotoo, even in like high school
and middle schoolers, using itfor homework and things like
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that.
SPEAKER_04 (01:36):
I was just talking about that with somebody too,
because we have two girlies onour staff.
Bless them, young ones.
They're both in college.
And I have watched them use chatDPT for literally anything and
everything.
I don't know if I would callthat like cheating per se,
because I know all of them doit.
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Like, is it any better thanGoogle?
I I almost would want them touse Google instead, because at
least that you have to researchthings, right?
Yes.
SPEAKER_05 (02:07):
And then Google also, I feel like, gives more
reference points.
SPEAKER_04 (02:12):
Yes.
And you can also see where it'scoming from, like the web source
and stuff like that.
Okay, so maybe for the peoplethat have never used Chat GPT,
maybe you're in that thatcommunity of people who are
like, it's a robot or whatever,I don't understand it.
I'm not going to use it.
So let's break down what ChatGPTor just AI in general is.
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This is in a very limited sense.
You you could see it as acomputer program, right?
But it's not just a computerprogram.
It's a learning computer.
So there's these big serverfarms.
They're full of tons and tons ofservers that are like data
mining.
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They're taking stuff fromeverywhere, all over the
internet, differentpublications, things like that,
which sounds really cool, right?
But think about it.
You're taking information fromeverywhere.
It doesn't matter what thesource is, who said it, things
like that.
It's trying to learn and givethat information back to you
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based on the prompts that you'regiving it.
So a question is what's known asa prompt.
So you're asking it or asking itto do a specific job,
essentially, give you backspecific information or whatever
it may be.
And in that regard, it is reallyneat what it can do, but it is
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still a very limited technologybecause, again, it's a learning
tool, right?
It's not going to knoweverything right at the
beginning.
It's not sourcing stuff fromthings that are ideal all the
time as well.
It may give you inaccurateinformation, incomplete
information.
I also feel like it has awriting style too.
Like if you look at enoughanswers from Chat GBT or any
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kind of like AI analytic tool,you can start to see how it
writes things, right?
There's certain like uh hashtagsand different things like that
that it uses.
I don't know.
It just it has a very specificstyle.
And there also there's not a lotof like voice to it, too.
So sometimes vague information,but people have come to rely on
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it heavily already.
SPEAKER_05 (04:28):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (04:29):
And that's what these companies also want you,
they want you to be reliant onit, right?
That's what kind of happens witheverything, you know.
Our our smartphones, right?
We can't be without thoseanymore.
We have to have them to do this,to do, you know, what what we're
doing right now.
It'd be hard to go back to likea Nokia brick at this point,
right?
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And and try to do everythingthat we're intended to do, you
know.
So these companies know thatyou're going to become reliant
on this because it says, oh, mybrain doesn't have to work as
hard.
SPEAKER_05 (05:01):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (05:02):
I I can just put it on Chat GPT.
SPEAKER_05 (05:04):
Finding a shortcut.
This is what it's creating.
Yeah.
It's leaked heavily into theaesthetics in the form that
consumers are treating Chat GPTlike it's a licensed skin
professional by uploading theirpictures and asking in the depth
of an analysis to recommendskincare.
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Yeah.
And so, and even some cases,diagnosis.
And so this is where it can poseproblems for the consumers and
the and the professionals likeus, you know, that could
possibly lose income, uh, clientbelief, you know, and
misinformation, compromisedskin, distrust in the
professionals now.
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So, my question to you is haveyour clients used chat GBT to
diagnose themselves?
Have you experienced thatfirsthand yet?
SPEAKER_04 (05:55):
So far, none of them have.
I think because they hopefullythink my brain is better than
Chat GPT.
Right.
Or that my brain is chat GPT,because it's like they come with
me with like any any singularquestion, right?
And I usually have some form ofanswer for them, or some some
way that I've come up with, youknow, uh a solution for them.
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So I haven't run across it alot.
Now I also I don't know if maybeit's an age-related thing too,
right?
Because some of mine are on notthe older end, but like say
elder millennial, gin X, yeah,you know, Boomer, those types of
ages.
I just feel like, again, this isnot something that they're
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probably going to utilize a lotbecause again, it's new
technology.
They're a little bit hesitant totry something like that.
Even me, like it took me a whileto really like actually try it
out and do anything with it.
Yeah.
And I have used it for a coupleof things.
I'll be honest, not a lot, but Ijust wanted to see what
everybody else was doing, youknow?
SPEAKER_05 (06:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (06:58):
I think there are massive limitations when it
comes to it, but I don't thinkwe can ignore it as people in
the beauty space because it'sonly, again, it's popular.
People are using it.
Companies are gonna find a wayto implement it.
I've even seen like just indieskincare brands online, they're
like, take this quiz, right?
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And you can find your perfectmatch.
You know, here, use our AI toolthat will build you like an
entire routine out of ourproducts.
And again, they don't have topay anybody to do that.
It just does it for them.
Now, is it the accurate,correct, right routine?
I don't know.
You know, could be, couldn't be.
I mean, it it there's so manyfactors when it comes to
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somebody's skin and diagnostictools and things like that.
Even when I have somebody comein, I'm asking them a million
and one questions in order toget down to like the
nitty-gritty of what's going onwith their skin.
When you're just putting in aprompt and you're saying, I have
this and this going on, write mea you know, a skincare routine.
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That's not enough to go on.
SPEAKER_05 (08:05):
And actually the clients think they have this
going on and they really don't.
Yes, misdiagnosis.
SPEAKER_04 (08:10):
That's the number one issue I have is that clients
tend to, I'd say like nine timesout of ten, misdiagnose their
skin.
SPEAKER_05 (08:18):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Like you, I haven't really hadclients come and saying that
they've asked chat for a skinroutine.
However, I do feel like it's theage group of my clientele, kind
of like my clientele is prettymuch in line with what you say,
like Gen X, um, millennials.
So it's not as common orpopular, I don't think, even for
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skincare.
I think they use it for work,you know, maybe in their
workscape, but they don't reallyknow that it can be used in
skin.
So these Gen Zers definitely aretaking that by storm.
SPEAKER_04 (08:52):
I mean, heck, people are using it as a therapist, an
actual therapist, like usingChat GPT as a therapist, which
has had some massiveimplications, and the companies
actually have gotten in troublefor that.
And if you want to go read aboutit, find the article, stuff like
that.
But so you can see how thingscould go wrong, given the wrong
type of information, becausethis it's not like it has like
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an internal monologue andsaying, Oh, this is wrong, I
shouldn't say that, you know,things like that.
That's not how these tools work,you know, they're just
regurgitating information to youin a way that, you know, usually
it sounds like you're having aconversation with somebody,
right?
They make it soundconversational, but it is just a
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computer on the other side.
And they're just giving you thisis the information that I have
learned from all of this datasource.
Here you go.
And different AI tools usethese, use different sourcing.
So you may get different answersbased on what they're using as a
source as well.
Even like when you go into likeGoogle, there'll be like an AI
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window that pops up at the topof it.
Now these these web pages use itat the top of their thing.
So people will like show me,like, oh, uh, I think it was
happening in one of the Seditiongroups, right?
People were asking a questionabout a treatment or something.
And this is like, oh, this iswhat I found on Google, but you
can tell it's the AI window fromwhere they put in, you know, the
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question in the web searchfeature.
And I'm like, that's inaccurate.
Plus, that's AI.
You can't use that as anappropriate source, especially
when you're talking about legalinstances, contraindications,
things like that, um,medications, you know, stuff
that things can go really,really wrong.
She's like, How could you tellit's AI?
I was like, I could tell by howit's written, and I also
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recognize that feature thatyou're screenshotting for me.
And unfortunately, now we haveto like know that that's AI.
SPEAKER_05 (10:48):
Right.
Like this is making things evenmore difficult now.
Yeah.
Now that you put it like that,because I didn't even think
about it from that standpoint.
Because you're right now, evenwhen you go to Google, there is
that prompt up top.
So now people are getting twodifferent ones, and it's
confusing the consumer evenmore.
So this is further, because Iwas a little unsure, but now
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this is really making me like,just book the consultation with
your institution.
Book us, okay?
Like, don't go to chat for it.
But interesting enough, withsome of the information we
found, especially um theBusiness of Beauty hosts about
the GEO and the LLMs, which Ilearned of those acronyms, you
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know, uh, in researching andstudying for this, which is
like, okay, now the company'sbrands are reving up their
strategy to be a part of this.
Because I mean, I was flooredwhen I read that, you know,
estimated 700 million weeklyusers are ARM chat alone, which
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is like, whoa.
That is a lot.
So now they're trying to makelarge language models to get
recommendations for products.
And these companies are movingaway from SEO to GEO, which is
generative engine optimizationand AEO answer engine
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optimization.
And according to the co-founderof Quick Quilt AI, he said, this
is the beginning of thebeginning.
Yeah.
And so I do believe that this isbecause it's just gonna get
worse and it's just gonna becomea more influx of people
referring to these AI generatorsto help them with skincare
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because they think it's acheaper route.
SPEAKER_04 (12:42):
Yes.
It's that whole that age-oldquestion is cheaper, better.
SPEAKER_05 (12:48):
But people want an instant thing.
That's the thing now.
People want instantgratification, instance.
SPEAKER_04 (12:54):
It's kind of like they were saying in that post,
right?
Is that they want thatone-on-one conversational,
right?
They want that one-on-onequality with this, not just like
here's a targeted ad.
That feels very impersonal,right?
People are, I think we talkedabout this a little bit when
we're talking about likeinfluencer and all of that kind
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of culture, you know, about howthey want to feel more connected
and more personalized with youknow their marketing strategies.
Because that's really all it is,is a marketing strategy.
SPEAKER_05 (13:25):
You still can't get more personal than coming in
person, yes.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (13:30):
Yes, and maybe some people feel like that's out of
reach for them.
And it I think that's what washappening with the therapists,
because let's be honest, likemental health in this in this
country is is broken.
It's a very broken system.
Yeah, that's that's what peoplereverted to, which is very sad.
So I'm hoping that people aren'tfeeling like the beauty industry
is broken, so that they'returning to that point.
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So I think we need to find a wayto be approachable and to feel
like they're gonna get an evenbetter care, you know, care
option answer when they come tosomebody directly.
I think that's where theseaestheticians who are building
virtual platforms, virtualconsults and things, virtual
skincare clients.
I think that's beautiful.
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I think that is a very smart wayto use that interaction.
And yes, it takes a little bitof your time, whereas AI takes
none of your time, right?
They're just doing that, butyou're also not getting anything
back from that unless you havesome type of web page or
whatever with AI on it.
You know, you're you're notseeing anything as the
professional.
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And then also, I don't I can'tcheck in with you if you're
going to an AI model.
So if something goes wrong orwhatever, what are you gonna do?
Go back to Chat GBT.
Hey, this happened.
What do I need to do?
And then you may just get morebad information.
SPEAKER_05 (14:46):
Right.
So now you're depending on adevice or an app where a human
where we're trained to know whatto do when you have a reaction
or something isn't working.
We have recommendations possiblyat our fingertips to allow you
to try.
We have a treatment that you cantry to calm and soothe the skin.
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If you had something, somethinghappen, we can guide you better
versus a bot.
Yes, yes, yes.
You're trusting a chat box thathas no personal relationship
with you, but people really arebecoming codependent on this.
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Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (15:31):
And I mean, maybe I will see it at some point.
I I I do have some of thoseyounger clients, and then of
course I've got the girls in thein the space with me right now,
and they may come to me withsomething with like, hey, what
do you think?
Like Chat GBT said this and thisand this.
You know, I I do think we needto embrace it for what it is,
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but not rely on it, right?
So never forgetting what thattool is in its in its very basic
terms.
But I think you as a business,if we can kind of like route
that way, you as a businessentity may be able to use it in
an effective way.
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For some people, they're usingit to write their copy for
websites or blog posts or thingslike that.
If you're not good with thatkind of stuff, it is a good
starting tool.
Okay.
But it has a very particularwriting style, and people can
see that.
So don't just copy and paste.
Okay.
That's usually what people do,and it's that is not a good way
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to go.
You need to get somethingstarted, maybe an outline, maybe
just how to.
I've had it like look at myInstagram page.
I've had it like, you know, justlike, hey, look at this and
analyze it for me.
Tell me what you think, tell mewhat you see.
Use it in that way.
I I had it plan a whole babyshower for me when I was trying
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to.
I come up with like a theme thatI wanted.
So my baby shower last last yearwas um during winter time, but I
didn't want it to be like awintery snow Christmas baby
shower.
I wanted to do like a madmenstyle, very 60s things like
that.
So I had Chat GPT like help meplan a party.
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You know, they were like, here'ssome fun, like era style games
and food and stuff like that.
Use it to your advantage thatway.
You know, if you're not goodcoming up with that kind of
stuff, it can be great.
I didn't use all of the ideas,but I thought, oh, that, and it
pulled up like music selections.
I made a playlist out of thethings that, you know, my
brother just planned his wholeHawaii trip through Chat GPT.
SPEAKER_05 (17:42):
Oh wow.
See, I didn't even know we cando all that.
That's that's yeah, that'samazing.
Yeah, I think that's reallycool.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_04 (17:49):
So there are creative ways to use it to your
advantage, but you cannot relyon it on the very important
things.
Like I said, with with legaldocuments, with uh protocols for
your treatments, you need torely on what the company is
telling you, okay?
When it comes to like medicationinteractions, things like that,
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do not rely on that because Idon't know where they're
sourcing that information from.
And I would never want topotentially put somebody in harm
because I was getting badinformation.
SPEAKER_05 (18:18):
Yeah.
But why do you think people arerelying on chat so much versus
just booking a consult with withan esthetician?
Why is that?
SPEAKER_04 (18:27):
For them, again, like you said, it's that instant
gratification, right?
It may take them a couple weeks,maybe a month, to get in with
us.
And, you know, maybe they'relike, oh, they can build a
drugstore.
All these people are gonna likesell me like expensive skincare.
So I just want a drugstoreroutine.
If that's truly what they'rewanting, maybe they're just not
my client anyway.
SPEAKER_05 (18:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (18:47):
But also, I do get that person, can you tell me
something from the drugstore?
And I'm like, I'll be honest, Idon't know much at a drugstore.
SPEAKER_05 (18:54):
But I I did I did see that article where they did
recommend like some products tothe lady that tried it for a
month.
And they they recommended hersome pretty expensive things.
SPEAKER_06 (19:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (19:07):
And I was really impressed with that.
But now, do you think thesecompanies are really gonna
heavily invest some kind of way?
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (19:18):
I I'm I assure you that their marketing teams are
already trying to work it insomehow.
I mean, if it's not that, thenit's also the corporations who
are using it in their back endsalready.
Like, I don't know how many, howmany meetings my husband had
where they have like some newtool or some whatever, and he's
like, So it's AI.
SPEAKER_05 (19:38):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (19:39):
You know, and not necessarily to make it like take
anybody's job, but like alsoit's again, they're like, we're
gonna implement an AI toolbecause it's cool, you know,
whatever.
It's not cool though.
It's like they're just like,it's just another thing we have
to deal with.
I think it's how you're writingprompts, there's whole prompt
writers, like they get hiredjust to write prompts for their
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AI tools for businesses, right?
So if you wanted to help writeprompts for these people to find
like their ideal, you know,skincare strategy or what
treatment, you know, treatmentsthey should look for in their
area, try something like that.
I mean, if you really want toget creative, you're not working
behind the chair or somethinglike that, do that.
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Help them, like work, work withthe tool.
I will I will say this because Ido feel strongly about this.
Like, I am a sustainable gal,right?
Yeah, I I like sustainability inboth like long-term results with
my clients, but also I feel likethe beauty industry is very
wasteful already.
Chat GPT is a big economicstressor when it comes to like
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water usage, and I don't think alot of people understand that
too.
So this is this is my tangent onthat.
This just so you can be awarewhen you are using it, use it
sparingly.
But uh yeah, these server farmsare not only using water every
time that you write a prompt,but they use it to cool down the
servers, and it's massiveamounts of water.
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You're not talking it's just adrip line or whatever, you're
talking massive amounts ofwater.
SPEAKER_05 (21:15):
Wow.
I had no clue about that either.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (21:18):
Wow.
Like bathtubs amount of waterevery time you ask a question.
A question, a prompt.
That's it.
Like it's not like a day orwhatever.
No, every it's so you think ofall these people, right, that
are using this every single dayand every single prompt because
these servers are working sohard to farm that they need all
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this water to keep cool, plusall the other water usage that
they're doing as well.
And then I think the people thatare living around these server
farms are also having likemassive health complications,
too.
You do whatever you want.
We have free will in thiscountry, but I always like to
preface that because people,again, like you said, you don't
realize that.
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You just innocently we thinkwe're, you know, it's like a web
page.
Right.
So we're just putting in someinformation.
That's not how AI works becauseit is a learning tool.
So use it, use it smartly, useit sparingly.
Yeah.
But I think there's ways that wecould work with it in the
industry where it doesn't haveto become the enemy.
SPEAKER_05 (22:19):
Yeah, it's here to say, but you don't think it's
gonna affect us as skincareprofessionals?
SPEAKER_04 (22:25):
I think people, especially our clients right
now, they become too ingrainedwith us on a personal level.
SPEAKER_05 (22:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (22:31):
They may bring something to me at one point and
be like, hey, Chat GPT saidthis.
I just thought it wasinteresting.
What's your take on it?
SPEAKER_05 (22:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (22:38):
So they may put me up against Chat GPT to like, you
know, for some information orsomething.
SPEAKER_05 (22:43):
But I definitely think I think the brands are
gonna definitely be influencedto market.
SPEAKER_04 (22:48):
Yeah.
Or we're we're gonna bemarketed, you know, an AI tool
to use in our back room, youknow.
SPEAKER_05 (22:57):
Sounds so uh I don't know.
I don't know.
I think that's I think it'sfunny, but I think that's
coming.
That's like somebody puttinglike the EWG approved on their
but I think it's coming becauseit's not going anywhere.
I don't know.
I think I think some of themwill jump on that train.
SPEAKER_04 (23:15):
If they do, I'm like, I'm never never again.
SPEAKER_05 (23:21):
But I I do see it because people wanna quote
unquote these companies, brandswant to stand out, and it's
gonna be someone that is goingto jump on that and say, I think
if they're trying to capturethat younger market, like you
said.
Yeah, I definitely think it'sgonna be the younger ones for
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sure.
SPEAKER_04 (23:42):
Yeah, so it may not necessarily be anything that we
have to worry about right now,but maybe once that that
generation, you know, keepsmaturing and kind of becomes
like our long-term clientele, itit might be, but I don't I don't
know if we'll have to worryabout it in the instance right
now, just where our clients aregenerationally.
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If you have a lot of youngerclients or that's who you market
to, then it's probably gonnahappen a lot sooner.
Um so it's something youdefinitely want to maybe take
some information, lessons on,things like that.
I I heard another, I don'tremember who it was on
Instagram.
It was another like estheticianmentor.
They were like, do not ignoreAI, Chat GPT, learn how to
(24:27):
utilize it, strategize with it.
Yeah, but don't ignore it andjust pretend it's not there
because it is.
It's kind of like anything else,right?
It's like we we can just try topretend it's not happening, but
that leaves you behind everybodyelse because then you're just
playing catch up when it doesget here.
SPEAKER_05 (24:46):
And I know, but then but it makes it so tough because
then there's dermatologists thatbelieve it's a positive tool.
And so then with dermatologistsbeing a skin doctor, you know,
um, people would probably beswayed.
Where we looked up Dr.
Leona Yip said, you know, shebelieves it's great, it's
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positive.
I mean, good for her.
In her review, though, it willto me it was kind of contra
contradictory.
So I don't know.
If y'all, if y'all areinterested, go check her out
yourself and listen.
Well, she said it's positive,but then it didn't really seem
positive, so but then the ownerof chat was like he's shocked
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that people are utilizing it somuch.
So it's it's a lot.
So he's like, he didn't bothreally realize people were
utilizing it so much for this.
So it's definitely I thinkbusiness, yes.
Getting your skincare routine,no, simply because my personal
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opinion on why ChatGBT skinrecommendations is recommending
seven different brands for youto use on your skin.
It's not like you're usingeminence, enemy, eminence,
enemy.
You're using this, this, this,and this, and this.
You know, it's too many brands,and the skin actually likes the
(26:15):
same thing.
The skin does not like for youto use seven different product
brands on your skin in one day.
Your skin can go into shock.
You can upset your skin verybadly using a different brand
cleanser, a different brandtoner, a different brand serum,
and a different brandmoisturizer, a different brand
(26:36):
sunscreen.
That makes me cringe so much asan ST.
That cringes me, but that's whatI've seen chat has given these
studies that I've been lookingat.
SPEAKER_04 (26:50):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, and what's to say thateven in the instance that you do
use all those products, right?
Are they even gonna lay downtogether?
Because I feel like in thetreatment room, like we've
tried, you know, a lot of ourskincare companies together with
each other, with maybe otherthings that we've had at home,
stuff like that.
We know how it marries withthings.
(27:11):
So I I don't see how it couldfigure out that those would all
essentially work together.
SPEAKER_05 (27:17):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (27:18):
I don't know.
It's there's a lot oflimitations.
Like I really have to get inthere and look at somebody's
skin.
I can't rely on what they'retelling me alone.
Right.
SPEAKER_05 (27:27):
Because you have to touch, feel, and see the skin.
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04 (27:31):
Yeah, because I'll tell them I'm like, well,
actually, you have this and thisgoing on and this and this going
on.
So really we need to addressthat.
Otherwise, these other thingsaren't gonna get better.
But they don't even know that A,B, and C are happening to cause
those things, right?
And granted, maybe they'll trytheir chat GBT routine and then
realize it's not working andcome back to us.
Things like that.
SPEAKER_05 (27:52):
Yeah.
I mean, because let's be clear,someone that has acne, right?
Most commonly, andaestheticians, y'all can agree,
when someone has acne, most ofthe time, people want to strip
away all oil from their skin.
They want to use oil-free this,oil free that, oil free, oil
free, oil free.
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When really that can bedetrimental because your skin
actually needs the perfectbalance of both oil and water to
actually heal the skin.
But when you strip it ofeverything, that can lead to
more even breakouts.
But chat cannot determine thatbecause they're not seeing your
skin.
SPEAKER_04 (28:32):
Yeah.
Even with pictures, pictures isnot textural.
Pictures is not like sometimesyou can't even see the
inflammation.
And so I just I don't think it'scoming for our job.
Let's just be clear about that,right?
Okay.
I don't think it's coming forour job.
It reminds me of back in theday.
I don't even know if oh, whatwas it called?
(28:53):
Planet Tan.
Anyway, they used to have likeautomated everything in their
little stores.
I never went in, but I rememberlooking at the thing, and it was
like you could pay like amembership fee, right?
But you'd basically go in andget an automated facial and I'm
like, are robots taking our job?
(29:13):
But also I'm like, I reallywanted to go and try it because
I was like, I have to see whatit's even doing, but I never
heard anything beyond that.
So I don't even know if that's athing anymore.
It's like the uh what was it,the little robot at the at
Target or something that wasdoing nails for a while?
It was like painting nails.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It didn't trim or anything likethat, it just polish, polish,
polish, polish.
Again, I think that's whateverybody kind of assumes with
AI, but it's it's different thanthat, but also it's not
physical.
But I do think that we need tounderstand it.
And you know, if if you're avery specialized person in the
field, maybe do facial massagesand stuff like that, that's not
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something that AI can take awayfrom you, right?
You know, they can go online andwatch.
A video of like how to do afacial massage, but it's never
going to be like a professionalone.
Someone who's studied and youknow perfected their craft and
really can kind of like pick outthe tension in your face and
things like that.
SPEAKER_06 (30:11):
Right.
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SPEAKER_04 (31:02):
I don't know.
How are you feeling about itoverall?
SPEAKER_05 (31:06):
I definitely feel like the Gen Z put more trust in
this type of stuff,unfortunately, because of the
instant gratification thatpeople want.
Also, I feel like it's the factthat people just I don't want to
say lazy because they actuallyare seeking something.
(31:26):
So it's not lazy.
I still think it's just theywant something at their
fingertips right away.
They want something easilyaccessible than maybe going
online to book an appointment towalk into a place physically to
see someone.
Or maybe people are embarrassedand they're like, Man, my skin
(31:47):
is really jacked, and I justwant to use this, you know, the
people that device.
SPEAKER_04 (31:53):
They come in, they're like, I'm so sorry about
my face.
And I'm like, what are youapologizing for?
Like, that's literally why I'mhere.
SPEAKER_05 (32:01):
That's why I'm here.
But so I don't really know.
I would maybe love to interviewa Gen Zier to see like why to
like further this discussionbecause it's not going anywhere.
But maybe this could besomething deeper because I want
to hear their thought process.
SPEAKER_04 (32:17):
I wanna, I want to get their their thoughts because
they're you they are they'reusing it all the time, and I
want to get their thoughts aboutlike, hey, uh, maybe I'll
interview um some of the girlsat at work about it.
SPEAKER_05 (32:30):
And yeah, because I just want to understand their
logic.
SPEAKER_04 (32:34):
Because they're very smart, you know, smart girls.
Clearly, they got into college,they're both on the track to be
nurses, stuff like that.
But there was a study aboutpeople's like brain capacity,
like when they were using morechat GPT, it was starting to
turn off certain areas wherebasically they didn't have the
(32:57):
capacity to like think throughstuff anymore.
Like that was starting to it'sdangerous, yes, yes.
And I mean, granted, everyonesaid the same thing about the TV
when it was invented.
Okay, so we just we just gotta,you know, kind of throw that in
the forefront.
Like, this is bad, and likeeverybody's gonna get stupid.
But it's uh but I I understand,but we still have to put
(33:22):
limitations on screen time.
We can we know that it is likekilling, you know, how our
attention spans are, right?
I mean, can you can you focus onanything?
I can't focus on anything, butgranted, I'm also a mom of two.
Like, I I try my best to there'szero focus.
SPEAKER_05 (33:37):
Yeah, I want to read a book so bad and I fall asleep,
you know, like physically open abook to read it.
SPEAKER_04 (33:43):
Yes, so I just opt for the audiobooks because
literally the moment I sitstill, but again, because it's
it's simpler that way, and alsoyou're like, I don't have time
to sit down and read a book, youknow.
SPEAKER_05 (33:54):
Well, because I fall asleep so fast, so it's like
dang.
So it it's like it's where weagree to an extent.
I think it's cool to see whatpops up, but then come to your
esthetician and then see, reallysee what happened.
(34:14):
You know, like I think it's afun opt to see.
Okay, this is what they said,but now let me go to my
esthetician.
SPEAKER_04 (34:23):
Yeah, and see what she don't think of it as a
trend.
Yeah, it's it's definitely hereto stay, here to play, whatever.
But you know, I I don't think ithas place inside the treatment
room just now.
Again, I'm sure some of thesecompanies will start to market
some things to you, especiallymaybe probably in the med spa
(34:43):
space, because I feel likethat's where they're trying to
push the AI already.
SPEAKER_05 (34:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (34:47):
Even on like the the software systems and stuff like
that, you know.
But it's just I even those likechat bots that like pop up on
things, you know.
SPEAKER_05 (34:59):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (35:00):
I'm I'm not someone that likes to interface with
those types of things because Iknow I'm not talking to a
person.
I don't know.
So I know I'm not gonna get theinformation I need.
It's just but like say Amazon,they make you do that just to
like return something, you know.
SPEAKER_05 (35:14):
Yeah, and that's uh that's annoying.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (35:17):
So you don't want to turn your spa into like an
AI-driven, you know, model.
SPEAKER_05 (35:22):
But what it so I know this is one more thing.
What about those face analyzingdevices that are so popular
right now?
SPEAKER_04 (35:30):
You know, I I haven't I don't know if I've
tried one.
SPEAKER_05 (35:34):
Do y'all have one at y'all's pa?
Oh, like the skin scanner thing?
No, yeah, the skin scanner, andthen it recommends products.
Is that the same or no?
Do you feel like that's thesame?
SPEAKER_04 (35:42):
I feel like because it's actually taking like live
for the most part, some of themthat I've seen, you're actually
putting your face into thesystem, and then it's using like
different light beams and thingslike that to target specific
things.
SPEAKER_05 (35:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (35:59):
I did get a claim, I mean, this was a few years ago.
Um, so probably not as AI drivenor anything like that, but she
was saying that there was likeum this bacteria on her skin
that she needed to get rid of.
This woman did not have like anounce of apnea, so I'm not even
sure what this was regret.
She was like, see, it's reallyhigh here.
And I'm like, I'm not even surewhat that is, actually.
(36:19):
So I I don't know, I do like theskin scanner option.
I think those are great to showlike before and afters and how
your results are going and howto kind of show you know your
hydration levels and you know,reducing wrinkles and things
like that as that type of tool.
But to analyze and be like, oh,you know, you need all of these
(36:39):
products.
No, just let me do that.
Let me do that.
Yeah, just give me the readout.
Give me the readout of whatyou're finding, the pigmentation
under the skin or you know,stuff that we need to look out
for.
Don't recommend product though.
SPEAKER_05 (36:52):
That's my job.
Yes, absolutely.
Um, I agree.
So, all in all, what I'm hearingis we like it to an extent.
Still book your consultationwith your aesthetician.
So we can probably recommend youa professional grade skincare
routine.
Don't rely on AI.
(37:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (37:16):
You should write that on a shirt.
Dorian, put that one on the nextDermoscope shirt.
SPEAKER_05 (37:21):
Did you hear the tag that I just made?
I need my my my coins ifsomebody uses it.
She said, Don't rely on AI.
Don't rely on AI.
For skincare, that is.
We're talking about skincare,guys.
But yes.
So, guys, yes.
So, thank y'all so much.
I think they're gonna wrap thisall up with the whole chat
(37:42):
because it's so popular.
We can go on and on about that.
SPEAKER_04 (37:45):
There's so much, and there's so much, like, I still
don't understand about it, andonly know from a very limited
standpoint.
And I'm sure somebody'slistening to my like breakdown,
they're like, that's not how itworks.
SPEAKER_05 (37:56):
What we do understand is skills.
Yes, yes, and we will make thebest recommendations, and not
just us, all of us otherlicensed estheticians across the
world that are listening.
And I think this is anopportunity for y'all to go to
your IGs and go live and talkabout this so your clients can
(38:17):
know you are the real deal, youare the skin expert, and book
the consultation and theappointment with you so you can
probably you can probablyrecommend skincare products for
this.
SPEAKER_04 (38:28):
Yes, yes.
Now we're gonna do some productreviews.
Got a lot, got a lot to tellyou.
We did stuff just kept rollingin, and I was like, wow, okay.
So osmosis, stem factor MD.
So actually, I was I was kind ofsurprised.
I don't know why I wouldn'tthink of like osmosis as having
like a growth factor solutionbecause they're very like
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holistic based.
And sometimes growth factordoesn't really get into like the
holistic space because peopleare like, oh, it's you know,
it's human derived and thingslike that.
So I fully expected it to belike a plant stem cell serum,
but it is a human-derived stemcell like factor uh serum.
Um and I've actually had Michaeltrying it as well because oh,
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nice, he's never really usedone.
Like I had already incorporatedgrowth factors and exosomes into
my routine.
So I was like, I don't know ifI'm gonna gauge it as much on
me.
So I tried it a little bit, butthen I had him like really fully
trying it in his routine.
Um, and his skin does look likemore even, a little bit calmer
(39:32):
and things like that.
It's you know, it hasn't beenlike super crazy long.
Um, and I'd like to trial itwith like some laser treatments
and things too.
It definitely is like aninteresting, it's more like a
gel and it kind of has like atackier dry down on the skin,
um, but it does smell reallygood.
I think they have like a coupleof essential oils in it, so it
doesn't smell like the grosslike growth factor serum legs of
(39:54):
in the past.
So yeah, I think it's aninteresting treatment.
I'll keep watching his skin onit, but so far it's done pretty
well with him, and I was happyto get him to use an extra
product in his routine.
SPEAKER_05 (40:08):
Yeah, I know it's kind of hard for me.
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_04 (40:11):
I mean, he's he's good at doing his routine, just
not a bunch of steps, you know.
SPEAKER_05 (40:15):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_04 (40:16):
It gets limited.
And then the rapid flash eyelashenhancing serum.
So again, this is one that I'vehad multiple times in my routine
trialing out for here as well.
I love a good eyelash serum.
This one's definitely like atried and true.
It's been around for a longtime.
And that's the thing with likeeyelash serums, like, there's
(40:36):
really only a good fewingredients that really
ultimately work for lash growth.
SPEAKER_06 (40:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (40:42):
And like there's some good like peptide stuff on
the market and things like that,but they're not like truly going
to like get that hair growingout of those follicles.
Some will just condition, thingslike that.
This has like the full workup ofingredients in there.
So, yeah, that's a couple I'vebeen trying at first.
And what else have you had rightnow?
SPEAKER_05 (41:01):
So I've had the eminence.
So eminence has been around fora very long time, and I was
excited because I haven't gottenthe opportunity to use eminence
in a very long time.
One of the first lines I cameacross 10 years ago when I
became an esthetician, the factthat they were very organic,
natural, cruelty-free brand, andthat's what made them really
(41:24):
attractive to me.
But I got to try their new TulsiSnow Mushroom Cleansing Milk.
And I love a good creamylathering cleanser because I do
feel like the cleanser is themost important step, obviously,
in skincare.
And it feels really good, reallylight.
(41:46):
The smell is nice, and I just itdidn't strip your skin because
you know, some foam can kind ofdry you out, um, but it does
not.
It actually calmed my skinreally good.
I used it to remove my makeupone day, too, and uh I really
enjoyed that.
So it feels really good.
Um, I learned more about Tulsi.
I wasn't fond of what that was,and it's an antioxidant
(42:10):
adaptogen.
So I thought that was reallycool that they included that to
reduce inflammation, theappearance of retinous in the
skin, and then learning aboutthe mushrooms and skincare too
to improve the barrier function,the hydration, reducing
inflammation, all of that is myjam.
So I think that's great foreminence and congratulations on
(42:31):
this new hero.
Yes.
I feel like it's good.
SPEAKER_06 (42:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (42:34):
Um, I also have the Face Reality Barrier Care Gel
Cream.
Definitely just one of thoseproducts I feel like is going to
be soothing, calming, safe foranybody with sensitized skin.
This will be a great go-to torestore the skincare barrier if
it's I've been screaming at you,any redness, any type of
(42:56):
inflammation.
This will be your go-tofinishing product for someone
with sensitive skin.
Um, great for those with acnefor sure, of course, because
that's their that's their triedand true.
I guess some of the keyingredients that were cool in
there was the squalene becauseit's really lightweight.
Um, and then the fact that ithas some humectants and amino
(43:18):
acids and hyaluronic acid in it.
You know, I love me a goodhyaluronic acid, so I think that
is also uh really good.
So I think that's a safe productfor everyone.
Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (43:29):
So Dr.
Schramek.
SPEAKER_05 (43:32):
Okay, Dr.
Schramek, thank you so much forsending us these BB creams, and
all of them.
SPEAKER_04 (43:37):
Not just not just one, but all and it's different
tones, which is also reallyexciting because mostly with
most of the lines that I'veworked with, it's always been a
universal shade, right?
SPEAKER_05 (43:48):
Exactly.
Which I feel like darker skintones just kind of get we get
left out, we get left out andleave out the higher fits all
the time.
All the time.
So they actually included everyFitzpatrick, which was very
impressive.
Yes.
And they they work really well.
Yeah.
I really liked it.
Um, I am gonna try it on some ofmy other clients, especially
(44:09):
with the higher fits, to see howit goes.
SPEAKER_04 (44:11):
Yes, yeah.
I I'm I'm keeping them to likegive it to some of my clients to
try out because again, like wehave the skin better tone smart,
which I love, but it only worksup to like that middle tone of
skin.
And so these are kind ofinteresting, and so I'll I'll
kind of get their feedback on ittoo.
But yeah, it's very wearable.
SPEAKER_05 (44:31):
I did a video too.
I may post it.
Okay, if dermoscope allow me.
I have I have a video that I putevery swatch on my arm so people
could see that they had moreoptions for a BB cream for other
fits.
SPEAKER_04 (44:44):
Because I felt like the last option was it was
pretty pigmented, you know.
Yeah, because it's not a superlike heavy wear.
Because BB creams are beautybombs, is what that stands for,
and so they're meant to be likea tinted moisturizer in a way.
So go on like very thinly andyeah, and just kind of like
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cover imperfections, just kindof make the skin look a little
more even.
They're not meant to be likefoundations, so that's why
foundations usually need so manyshades because they're trying to
be like fully pigmented, fullcoverage, those types of things,
like tinted sunscreens, tintedmoisturizers, BBC C creams, like
those are really meant to bekind of thin on the skin, wear
(45:28):
very comfortably and not reallylook like anything on there.
SPEAKER_05 (45:31):
Get that like very and it's like non-comogenic to
the fact that she uh created herformula that you're supposed to
be actually bob, of course.
SPEAKER_04 (45:39):
Yeah, and I haven't had any issues with it, so
that's to say something.
SPEAKER_05 (45:44):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
So um, yes, thank you.
So we had fun trying all ofthese products this pastime.
Yes, definitely.
SPEAKER_04 (45:53):
Yeah, so our game today is actually to play with
chat GPT, and I'm not gonnathink of how much water I just
used to ask this question.
Right, right, right.
But uh, we were asked to promptChat GPT to recommend a skincare
routine for us, and then we'regoing to eviscerate it.
(46:16):
No, we're going to play it foryou, and then um see what we
think about this this routinefor us.
Maybe read the prompt that youput in and then play back what
the uh what it said to you.
SPEAKER_05 (46:31):
Okay.
So the prompt that I put in waswell, you know, it typed all
this stuff up and I have to goback up.
Okay, so recommend me a skincareroutine for a 40-year-old woman
that has normal to dry skin,about Fitzpatrick III with
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enlarged pores.
That's what I put.
Okay.
Okay, I'm gonna find it.
SPEAKER_00 (47:01):
Morning routine.
One, gentle cleanser.
Use a sulfate-free hydratingcleanser, cream or gel.
Look for ingredients likeceramides or glycerin.
Avoid foaming cleansers thatstrip oils into dryness can
emphasize pores.
Two, antioxidant serum, vitaminC 10 to 15% L-ascorbic acid or
derivatives like sodium ascorbal phosphate for
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brightening, collagen support,and pore refinement.
Bonus helps fade uneven tone andprotect from free radical
damage.
3.
Hydrating essence toner,optional but beneficial, with
hyaluronic acid or panthanol toplump and smooth texture.
Prepare skin for moisturizer andreduces dehydration lines.
4.
Moisturizer, lightweight butnourishing.
(47:45):
Ingredients to look forniacinamide, poor minimizing,
barrier support, squalane orpeptides.
5.
Sunscreen, non-negotiable, broadspectrum SPF 30 to 50.
Opt for a lightweight hydratingformula, chemical or hybrid
sunscreen that won't settle inpores.
Evening routine.
1.
Cleanser.
Same gentle cleanser as morningto remove makeup, dirt, and
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sunscreen.
2.
Exfoliation, 2 to 3 eggs perweek.
Use a chemical exfoliant withpHA, gluconolactor, or
low-strength lactic acid forgentle resurfacing.
Avoid harsh scrubs, they worsenenlarge pores over time.
3.
Treatment serum.
Retinol or retinaldehyde 2 to 3nights a week to start working
up tonightly.
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Helps with collagen stimulation,fine lines, and visible pore
size.
If sensitive, alternate withniacinamide serum or hydrating
peptide serum.
4.
Moisturizer.
Slightly richer than AM if skinfeels dry.
Look for ceramides, cholesterol,and hyaluronic acid.
Weekly, optional boosters.
Clay or enzyme mask one week,refined pores without
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overdrying.
Facial oil, one or two weeksweek at night.
Add a drop of rose hip or Jehobaoil into moisturizer for extra
nourishment.
Professional treatments,occasional hydrating facials,
chemical peels, or microneedlingcan further improve poor
visibility and skin texture.
SPEAKER_04 (49:06):
Alright.
SPEAKER_05 (49:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (49:07):
So what do you think?
What do you think of yourroutine?
Would you do that?
SPEAKER_05 (49:11):
It was pretty decent.
I can't say.
I mean, I have to say that.
SPEAKER_04 (49:15):
I'd say there were things I agreed with, and then a
couple things that I was like,eh?
SPEAKER_05 (49:19):
Yeah, it was a couple like.
SPEAKER_04 (49:20):
But yours actually recommended a professional.
SPEAKER_05 (49:22):
So I know.
I was shocked.
That's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_04 (49:26):
That's pretty cool.
And I do, I do like that youokay.
So let's go back to like writingprompts, right?
We have to write promptsefficiently in order to get the
right type of information.
You put your your age in.
I didn't even think to do that.
Why?
I don't know, because I'm aprofessional and I should know
that.
But that could make adifference, right?
So it it took that intoconsideration.
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And I love that it saidsunscreen's a non-negotiable.
Yeah.
We love we love a sunscreenking, as the gin zs say, right?
But uh I'll I'll read you myprompt and then we can go over
mine.
So I said recommend a skincareroutine for me as someone that
is very acne prone and sensitiveprone with lots of pigmentation.
I am also pombo skin.
SPEAKER_02 (50:08):
Thank you for sharing those details.
Since you have acne prone,sensitive combination skin with
pigmentation, the key is to keepyour routine gentle,
non-communogenic, andbrightening without overwhelming
your skin barrier.
Here's a recommended routine.
Cleanser.
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Gentle, non-foaming, gentlecream cleanser.
Treatment.
(50:54):
You can have a gentle red pointfor pigmentation.
Like we're supporting voicereserves.
(51:58):
Avoid horse crosses wrong.
General test Introduce oneactive at a time, like oxygenic
acid or retinoid.
Always patch a test.
Stick with each change for fourto six weeks before evaluating
results.
Consistency plus sunscreen isthe best improvement for
pigmentation.
SPEAKER_04 (52:17):
See now, my gal's acting like she a whole skin
skin therapists over here.
Right.
SPEAKER_05 (52:24):
And she gave you recommendations, like products.
Mine did not.
SPEAKER_04 (52:28):
See, that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_05 (52:29):
It's like Well, it did at the end.
At the very end, but he didn'tread it.
Let me say that.
SPEAKER_04 (52:34):
So it's it's it's not gonna be the same person to
person.
And I don't know, maybe that'sjust even like where we're
putting in the information orthings like that.
But yeah, so you know, a couplethings about so we'll say that
from a skin therapist'sperspective, looking at this.
One, my skin does not agree withniacinamide at all.
(52:54):
So that would have been thatwould have gone very, very
badly.
And I've taken that to heart andjust ran with it.
Athletic acid, it's not bad.
I don't feel like for the skintype that I have, it's gonna
like fix all of the issues, butI don't think it's a bad
suggestion to start with.
It like gave me the ordinary,which I don't I don't know much
about that product, you know.
So it's like it gave me stufffrom ELTA, from the ordinary,
(53:16):
from exactly from everyone.
SPEAKER_05 (53:19):
All of it, like up, up and down.
SPEAKER_04 (53:21):
Like there really wasn't any like, hey, you asked
for this level of product orthis level of product or
whatever.
It's not saying that that's agood product, they're just like
this is one that you can use,you know.
I did like the general tips thatit gave about, you know, I don't
think like the whole likesunscreen is great for
pigmentation.
Sun everybody needs sunscreen,like right all the people need
(53:42):
sunscreen.
But I did like that it said, youknow, to use one at a time, use
it for uh a time before youintroduce another one, you know,
that it was a lot of actives,though, it's like azoleic, AHA,
uh diacinamide, retinoid.
That's that's a lot of things touse in a week, you know, in a
routine.
(54:02):
And then like the cleansing, I'mlike, I always would say a
double cleanse for somebodywho's combo skin.
Yeah, just because you're gonnaget the best cleanse and you
know, things out of that.
But overall, it wasn't terrible.
My skin probably would have notdone well on it.
SPEAKER_05 (54:20):
Yeah.
I mean, mine just did uh minewas pretty simple, I feel like,
because it basically gave me agentle cleanser, uh antioxidant
serum, which was vitamin C, whatthey recommended, a toner, and a
lightweight moisturizer, but anourishing.
SPEAKER_04 (54:35):
And it also gave us both clay masks, which was
interesting.
SPEAKER_05 (54:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (54:38):
And I'm like, yeah, I'm not a fan of clients using
clay mask on their skin becauseI feel like they let them dry
down too long, they get a littletoo harsh on the skin.
Like, there's different types ofclays, like some can be more
nourishing, things like that.
But when it's like, yeah, useone for your oil control.
It when I have done that in thepast, my skin has been very raw
and angry.
(54:59):
So, again, again, there'slimitations to this.
That's really what we're we'recoming down to.
But um, it's there and it's hereto stay.
So don't rely on AI, right?
SPEAKER_05 (55:10):
Don't rely on AI.
Because, like uh, like you justsaid though, like your skin does
not agree with neothenamide, youknow.
But a client doesn't know that,a potential consumer doesn't
know that.
So therefore, it could bedetrimental, and then it's gonna
make things worse.
SPEAKER_04 (55:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (55:30):
So it's a 50-50 here, I guess.
SPEAKER_04 (55:33):
We're we'll we'll be here to try it out and use it,
but ultimately stick to what youknow and keep keep up with your
skill set.
SPEAKER_05 (55:43):
Book your book your dissertation, guys.
SPEAKER_04 (55:46):
That's the end of the show.
All right, okay.
SPEAKER_05 (55:49):
Thank y'all so much.
We'll see you guys next time.
SPEAKER_03 (55:53):
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report.
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