October 15, 2025 • 49 mins
In Part 2 of this powerful testimony, Jason continues the conversation with Michael, who once battled the torment of demonic oppression. Now walking in freedom with the Lord, he shares what life looks like after deliverance — the challenges, the victories, and the daily reality of living in the light of Christ. This episode is a raw and honest look at how God not only rescues but also restores and sustains His people.
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SPEAKER_05 (00:32):
Welcome back to the Agore Cast.
This is the second episode of atwo-part series.
We recommend you watch the firstpart first, but either way,
we're glad you're here.
Let's jump right in.
Well, you bring up somethingreally important that I feel
like we need to now startaddressing, and that is one of
the massive ways demons oppressthe people of God is their
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thought life.
Now, you we let them in by ourchoices, and you let them in by
things you did, things you wereseeing, things you but they're
called, they're there to stealkill and destroy, steal your
sanity, steal your joy, stealyour peace, still all that
stuff, to kill you, to walk,make you walk away from God
entirely.
And but I want to talk aboutthoughts for a second, because
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you mentioned you would be inthe presence of God, you would
be at church or in the training,and you'd be great then the
moment you walked out.
Boom.
It was like David and the it'slike David and the David and the
harp.
Um liar.
The liar.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The um David, the Bible saysthat um Solomon was, um, excuse
me, um Saul was being tormentedby demons, and it was in his
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mind.
So I need everyone to hear this.
This is 100% biblical.
He was constantly beingtormented of his mind.
He had no peace, constanttorment.
And the Bible says it was ademon sent from in the enemy to
torment, to torture him and totorment him.
And they said, call aroundpeople, and they found that
David, this was before he wasanointed king.
So he God put him in the palacebefore he was even uh called to
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be the king, before he wasanointed by Samuel.
And David goes in there andstarts playing the harp.
And the Bible says, Ushering inGod's presence, his presence
would come, and the tormentingwould go away.
So David's job was to help bringpeace to Saul.
Now, Saul was in wickedness,Saul was running from God, Saul
was not doing God's will, Saulwas in his own world, selfish
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pride, you name all thosethings.
And so he needed the presence ofGod.
So, some of you people, you'rehearing this.
There's times you walk intoworship service and you do feel
peace.
There's times you walk intomoments where you're with other
believers and you feel adifferent sense.
I've had people come to ourhouse and literally say, I just
feel so peaceful.
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I haven't, they like, I've hadpeople come and literally ask
could they just stay at ourhouse and sit a little bit
longer because they felt peace.
Well, it's not Jason, I gotnothing to give you.
You know what I'm saying?
But but I can tell you I prayover my home, and our home is
going to be a place of theSpirit of God.
The presence of God is welcomethere.
I call on his Holy Spirit.
I command things occasionally toyou will not have any place here
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with my kids in Jesus' name.
I am the uh begod by the bloodof Jesus is giving me authority
to cast out anything that isgonna take away from my
children's lives, and you willnot be present here.
My wife praised that.
And so the presence of Godbrings uh peace.
But when you're going back andyou don't feel it, that's a sign
there's probably something wrongthere.
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You know what I'm saying?
And I've heard people say, allof a sudden lustful thoughts
will come.
I've heard them say, I feel likeangry and want to punch people
in the face.
I feel they've I've had peopledescribe many of these emotions.
They're like, it's not normal.
Like I'm sitting here talkingand then I walk away, and all of
a sudden, these thoughts andthese, and you like you said, I
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can't think of anything else.
I'm thinking, how do I get awayfrom this thought?
That's typically a a uh a signthat there's some spiritual
oppression going on.
So and that's what you'reexpressing.
SPEAKER_06 (03:59):
Yeah, and so as soon as like I would I would leave
the church and like I said,these thoughts would come
flooding in my head, and I wouldjust be like, you know, Saint
Me.
Saint me, yeah, I'm not gonnaI'm gonna choose not to think
like this.
Yeah, but I didn't I didn't Ididn't cut I didn't put Jesus
over that.
Yeah, I did it in my ownstrength.
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Yeah, I didn't let God I didn'tsubmit that to God, yes, because
I didn't know.
I didn't know that that was whatneeded what was needed to be
done there, yes.
And so when you're when you'reall these years and you're
constantly throwing that stuffaside, thinking, oh, this is
this is just this is mythoughts, yeah.
Just don't think like that.
Yeah, I'll be alright, justdon't think like that.
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And so now in in the time ofdeliverance, and there was seven
spirits oppressing me.
Yes.
So imagine how much weirdthoughts I would probably go
through my head.
SPEAKER_04 (04:53):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (04:53):
Like, do this, you'll be you'll you'll you'll
make more money.
Yeah, don't do that, you mightdie.
Yeah, you know, it was to thepoint.
I wouldn't even like you have acut, sometimes you'll to stop
the I wouldn't even I would beafraid if I did that to my own
blood, I would get cancer orsomething.
SPEAKER_05 (05:07):
Oh my gosh.
Wow.
I was fearful of death.
Yes, yes.
Those those were little thoughtslike that that would be
implemented in and there's notjoy, there's not peace, there's
not just a a settled mind.
It's all and then this remindsme of the uh you know, the
weapons of our warfare are notcarnal.
Um, and then he says, we takeevery thought captive that
raises self against Christ.
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Those thoughts in this again, Iwanted to say that because I
want people to see this isbiblical.
Yeah, those thoughts are coming,and you know that is not of God.
It is the weapons that we havethrough the Holy Spirit.
We can tear down thosearguments, tear down those
thoughts that bring itself aboveChrist.
Christ is my God, I will notworry about fear.
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I am the sting of death has beentaken away.
You know what I'm saying?
But we'll talk about that in aminute.
I have right here talk about therenewing of the mind in a
minute.
Yeah, I have to do that.
Your mind is not in peace, am Iright?
SPEAKER_06 (05:59):
Yeah, no, yeah, absolutely.
And God has given me a wholedifferent perspective on holding
my thoughts captive.
SPEAKER_02 (06:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (06:07):
And we we'll talk about that here in a minute
because that's a wholeconversation within itself.
But so, like, now in thisdeliverance, and what when we're
going through this, andafterwards, and this is back to
the part where you know Alexasked me, he was like, How do
you feel right now?
And the only word that can comeout of my mind was peace.
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I was like, peace.
And my head, I'm like, it's soquiet.
SPEAKER_05 (06:33):
You know what's funny?
I remember on the way home, wewere so quiet.
Remember, we drove, and then Idid say, Are you hungry?
He goes, I'm starving.
And we went to a drive-thru, butit was so quiet, and you kept
saying, I just feel so muchpeace.
I just feel so much peace.
I remember looking over at you,and before you kind of chattered
a lot, you know, you were justlike, I feel peace.
I remember that.
SPEAKER_06 (06:54):
And I I even like I had like$120 shoes, and I just
bought them maybe a few monthspast.
Yeah.
And I was like, I don't evencare.
Like, I could grab these shoesand throw them out the window.
They mean nothing to me.
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (07:06):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (07:07):
But that greed that was holding on to me before.
Yes.
And it was like, you need tohold this close.
You need to, you need and that'sawesome.
Like, and so after that, youwere like, Man, you know, you
you know, you need to break thisfast, you know, you know, go
ahead and get you some food andwent to Burger Boy and grabbed
some burgers.
SPEAKER_05 (07:23):
Burger Boy, I remember that.
Yep.
Okay, so let's let's I I want totake a side note here, and then
we're gonna review some of this.
But um, okay, I want to beclear.
I'm not a demon under every rockkind of guy.
SPEAKER_02 (07:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_05 (07:36):
I am not a, I don't chase demons, I don't care.
I want to see, and and and thefirst major deliverance I ever
was a part of where it was likeit was even crazier than this
story.
Um, when the young lady was setfree, there was a peace over my
heart that I had neverexperienced before.
It was so beautiful, it was, Icouldn't stop crying.
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Like literally, the last demonleft, and I felt God say to me,
it's not about the battle withthis demon, it's about setting
my people free.
And that revelation has changedmy whole view of dealing with
demons.
So listen, let me back up andsay this too.
Jesus said, These signs shallfollow those believe in Mark 16.
You shall speak in new tonguesand you shall cast out demons.
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Jesus all throughout hisministry cast out demons.
The disciples cast out demons.
It is totally normative to haveencounters with spiritual
forces.
We have made it because of ourculture something weird, and
then Christians that talk aboutdemons are weird.
And we don't, I mean, I don'tknow that I've ever heard it
preached from a pulpit that Ican think of like actually
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dealing with demons like this.
It's so considered taboo andnow, which is a tactic of the
enemy.
Why not make everything that isdealing with the real world that
we're in, the battle that we'rein, seem weird and fake and all
that stuff?
Okay, so I'm not a demon guy.
I know it's in the Bible, andum, it is about setting people
free.
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So that's why I don't mindtalking about it.
I wanted you to hear that.
It's not about the battle andthe craziness, although that's
an interesting, although whenyou see those things, they're
they're called like signs andwonders.
It's a sign and it makes youwonder.
Oh, absolutely.
You're like, God, that was thankyou in a way for allowing me to
see behind the curtain.
You know what I'm saying?
But but it's not about that.
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No.
It's about bondages beingremoved.
And so um, so I'm not glorifyingdemons at all.
I could care less about demons,but I care for people to be set
free.
And you start realizing, and ifyou start allowing the Holy
Spirit to lead you, you'll startseeing more that is a demonic
thing, that is a spirit in theirlives.
And um, so we deal with that.
Um, and then I want to add thisto um um this isn't for Jason or
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Alex, because we named Alex.
Um, this isn't about um somebodywho has, oh, I'm so powerful and
holy and I'm a guru.
That's just silliness.
Yeah, it is so you that arebought by the blood of Jesus,
you are called by God andanointed by God and have the
authority by God to deal withthese things.
And you even have the deal withyour own home.
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You can rebuke these demons.
And I'm thinking I'm gonna do apodcast with another couple that
recently, their son, they werecalling me to come over and do a
deliverance, and I could notschedule the time.
I was out of town, they were outof town, we couldn't figure it
out.
Finally, I said, y'all just needto go do it yourself.
And they went and prayed overtheir son, he's 23-year-old, and
he starts manifesting demons,and there was a freedom from
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that day on that changed things.
This is for any believer that itcalls their cells sons of God,
believes in Jesus Christ, thatthe blood of God is of Jesus is
he's given us the power by whathe has done.
SPEAKER_06 (10:43):
So and just because you can cast out demons doesn't
mean you know Jesus.
Come on now.
The Bible, you know, what doesit say?
The Bible says, you know, Lord,I have casted out demons in your
name.
And I've done all this, and he'slike, Go do away.
I do not, for I do not know you.
Oh, golly, that's it.
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Jesus, there's power in thatname.
SPEAKER_05 (11:05):
There's power in the name of Jesus.
SPEAKER_06 (11:06):
But there's no power in the man that speaks the name.
Well, there's power in the name.
The authority is not given tous, it's given to Christ, which
we're allowed to use.
Yes, but we're not authoritativein any way.
Who are you apart from me?
SPEAKER_05 (11:19):
I never knew you.
unknown (11:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (11:20):
Oh, can you imagine that?
SPEAKER_06 (11:22):
And just imagine, like your whole life, you were
doing demonic oppressions, youare freeing all these people,
but you're not idolizing that.
You're making that youridentity, and you're not giving
any glory to God.
SPEAKER_02 (11:33):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (11:34):
And next thing you know, you're standing before God
and you're having to answer him.
He's this do away.
I for I do not know you.
SPEAKER_05 (11:40):
Oof, golly.
Guys, and that's the key here.
It's all about Jesus.
He is the author and perfecterof our faith, he is the center
of all that we believe.
He is the great God that lovesus and died for us.
There is nothing else.
Uh, I don't care.
And of course you learn thistoo.
I don't care anymore about whatyour gifts are.
I want to see your character.
Uh, because uh I've seen tons ofpeople with gifts and and
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abilities and even spiritualgifts, yet they don't have the
character of God.
I do not want to work with them.
I'd rather have people with verylittle talent that love God and
have good character than peoplethat have because God can
develop that.
Yeah, exactly.
God can do exactly.
That's good.
Okay, I want to touch on um uhwhy we name demons, and then
we'll talk about renewing of themind.
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Okay, but I do want to make forthe for the um I always had this
question.
I would hear people say, thatwas the spirit of addiction,
that was the spirit of pride.
That was and so I would also hadquestions about that.
So I just want to address it fora minute.
I don't believe there's uh firstoff, there's not a clarity in
the Bible about all this.
So I'm just telling you fromexperience um how we're naming
things and stuff.
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Um the Bible, I mean, the thethe demon said legion.
I mean, it meant it was lots ofthem in there in the Bible when
Jesus cast them out into thepigs, thousands.
But um, so he's saying he'scalling himself thousands, I
mean, but or whatever, you know,a legion.
But it's really their mission,is what we're addressing.
So if there was a demon, ifthere was a spirit that its goal
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in your life was to do bringpride, then then we would say,
rebuke you, spirit of pride,because it's that one trying to
destroy your peace through thethrough pride.
And uh, and so that's what thatmeans.
If it was a spirit of lust orperversion, we would say that
it's not like there's a demonand all it does and its name
forevermore is perversion.
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It's just that's what itsmission is.
That's what it's trying to do.
So that's what we address.
And so I just wanted to makethat clear of why we name it
that.
SPEAKER_06 (13:35):
So and some people like you know, they won't
recognize like the and what thiswill lead us into the renewing
of the mind.
Like, when whenever you'rehaving these desires, yeah,
these thoughts, what does theBible say about Jesus?
I mean, what does the Bible sayabout the devil?
He is a lion seeking those whomhe can devour.
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Yes.
And what does a lion do?
He looks for those that arevulnerable, yeah, those that are
alone, or those that are, youknow the side of the pack.
SPEAKER_02 (14:05):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (14:06):
And in that, it's you know, it states that the
that the devil will form weaponsagainst us.
That's right.
And so he has his devil, his hisdemons, his his rulers and
principalities and his his youknow darkness.
He has all them in this world,in the spiritual realm that we
cannot see.
SPEAKER_05 (14:27):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (14:28):
And he has them watching us, yeah, studying us,
knowing, uh knowing, hey, youknow, his you know, these
actions that you know, you cansee these are the desires what
he wants from what he's givinginto.
Yes.
And in all of this, he can hecan know exactly how to attack
you.
SPEAKER_05 (14:46):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (14:47):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_05 (14:48):
He's watching.
SPEAKER_06 (14:49):
And so people don't understand, like, you know, what
your desires are doing, yeah,you're you're allowing those
footholds for the enemy.
Yeah, absolutely.
And he's gonna see those andhe's gonna form that weapon
against you, he's gonna sendthat demon out to you to attack
that weak spot, that shink inyour armor.
SPEAKER_02 (15:06):
Yep.
SPEAKER_06 (15:09):
And now, next thing you know it, you're giving into
this.
Yes.
The enemy don't have any power.
No.
You allow them.
You your your desires and whatyou want it, and God says that
he will give you over to yourdesires.
If you desire something morethan him, yeah, he'll let you
have it.
SPEAKER_05 (15:24):
Well, and it reminds me is every Monday, we at after
our prayer and worship time, weput on the armor of God.
We say the scripture.
Uh, it's been Liana now Lestatstarting to have to quote it,
and uh, and then we we put onthe shield, you know, the helmet
of salvation and the breastplateof righteousness and the feet
fitted, the shield of faith.
What does it say?
So that you can extinguish theflaming arrows of the evil one.
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So what happens is we lower ourshield.
How is he sending fiery darts?
He's sending demons at you.
He's seeming spiritualoppression to cloud your mind.
Hey, Michael, go do this, go dothis.
But when you let that shielddown, you're allowing him an
opportunity.
Sometimes it'll hit, it won'tactually stay.
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But sometimes if you keep thatshield down or you keep removing
it for a demon to keep comingback, whether that be rage,
whether it be unforgiveness,whether that be perversion,
whatever it might be, greed,selfish ambitions, any of them,
you're allowing those darts tostay.
SPEAKER_06 (16:23):
Where does he attack your mind?
SPEAKER_05 (16:24):
Yeah, your mind.
That's where he attacks.
SPEAKER_06 (16:26):
That's where he attacked and and so you're like
wondering, you know, I'll havethis thought.
Sometimes you walk into a roomwith a bunch of people, and then
for some reason, your thought, athought in your head, says, You
want to have sex with thiswoman.
SPEAKER_01 (16:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (16:40):
And you're like, what?
SPEAKER_01 (16:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (16:42):
This ain't me.
I don't.
I don't even, I didn't even,that wasn't even on my mind.
SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (16:45):
But how do you know there's not someone in that
woman that's being oppressed,someone in that room that's
being oppressed by that demon?
And you you you you can feel theimpact that it has upon someone
else.
SPEAKER_05 (16:56):
Yeah.
So I drove in today to Medida.
I was go driving and I was aboutto take a left into our parking
lot, and there was a ladywalking, and she was staring at
me.
And I knew she was a prostitute.
She was, I I could seriously,God said, that is a woman that
is, and you could look and Icould see a spirit of perversion
upon her.
I pulled in, I'm not gonna, youknow, like, and I actually said,
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I rebuke that in the name ofJesus.
You are not gonna have ourcommunity.
But I mean, you can actually seeeven in those things in people's
lives.
And so you're saying, walk in.
If you're not with your guardsup, you're allowing yourself to
walk into bar, you're wearwalking into places, you're
allowing yourself to lower theshield.
And no wonder you're havingissues and your marriages
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falling apart.
You've allowed things to come inthat are not of God and it in
and of And you're not you're notholding these thoughts captive.
You're not holding them captive.
SPEAKER_06 (17:47):
So now, from what I knew then to what I know now,
yeah, and I understand theimportance of holding those
thoughts captive.
So I know now this enemy who isvery, very strategic.
SPEAKER_05 (18:00):
Yes, very strategic.
SPEAKER_06 (18:02):
But the thing is, he has no new moves.
SPEAKER_05 (18:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (18:04):
He does the same thing, he's been doing the same
thing for thousands of yearsbecause he knows it works.
Yes.
But he's there, you know, hesees us, he sees our
vulnerabilities, yeah, heattacks our vulnerabilities.
Yes.
And for us, you know, we give into that or we can rebuke that.
SPEAKER_05 (18:19):
That's good.
Okay, I'm gonna um I wannathere's actually three things I
want to talk about.
Okay, I want to talk aboutrenewing the mind, and I want to
talk about what changed afterthe deliverance, because you had
Michael before falling intothings, um, but desperate for
transformation, you'redelivered, and then there I can
tell you there's been adifferent Michael.
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So we're gonna talk about whatchanged first, but then before
we talk about renewing the mind,I'm gonna explain Hebrews 4 12
and the in the word of God uh isliving and active, separating
soul and spirit, joints andmarrow, and judging the thoughts
and attitudes of the heart.
But before we jump into that, Iwant to ask you in your mind,
what changed after thatdeliverance?
SPEAKER_06 (19:02):
Well, the day after the day after the deliverance
was done, I went straight overto a friend of mine's house.
His name's Nick.
I went over to his house, and itwas just me and him.
And I when I was there, Istarted bawling my eyes out.
I started crying, and I waslike, I can't trust my thoughts
anymore.
I can't trust my own head theseyears.
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Yeah, and I've been thinkingthese were my own thoughts to
find out they were demons thatwere oppressing me.
I at that moment I was like,God, I can't trust anything.
Yeah, I can't trust my own self.
I started weeping in that samemoment, God took that from me.
SPEAKER_04 (19:38):
Amen.
SPEAKER_06 (19:39):
And I and and those that doubt was there no more.
SPEAKER_04 (19:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (19:43):
That that in that same day, I was like, you know,
I gotta go see a friend of mine.
They're gonna they're gonna helpme and they're gonna, they're
actually gonna baptize me in theHoly Spirit.
Amen.
You know, if God wills it, andHe did.
SPEAKER_04 (19:55):
Yeah, Amen.
SPEAKER_06 (19:56):
And it was just, you know, you know, the Bible says,
you know, if you clean, youknow, that house is cleaned out,
the demons leave, you know, youneed to fill it back up, you
can't leave it empty.
SPEAKER_05 (20:07):
Don't leave it empty, baby.
SPEAKER_06 (20:08):
And so that next day I I wasted no time.
Yes.
And I, you know, asked myfriends to you know help with
the infilling of the HolySpirit.
Yeah.
And from then on, you know, itwas a whole different me.
SPEAKER_02 (20:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (20:20):
Because my, you know, I under I could understand
the true necessity of havingGod.
Yeah.
The true dependence that Ineeded to have upon Him.
Yeah.
And I started, you know, Istarted reading a lot more.
I this for a whole month afterthat, I like because I worked
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for myself doing electricalwork, so I had a lot of time on
my hands.
SPEAKER_02 (20:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (20:44):
So you know what I did?
I locked myself in my room.
Yeah.
If I wasn't listening to worshipmusic, I was listening to my
audio Bible.
If I wasn't listening to myaudio Bible, I was watching
sermons on TV.
For a whole month.
I remember you sending me abunch of stuff.
Yeah.
I I probably sent you a ton ofstuff.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (21:00):
Because and you had to fill it up.
You knew the enemy's gonna comeback.
I need to be filled with thepresence of God, the Holy
Spirit.
SPEAKER_06 (21:08):
At that point, for the first time in my life, I had
that true desire to just wantGod.
That's beautiful, man.
And for all these years beforethat, I I would pray to God and
I would tell him, like, Lord, Iyou know, I feel so bad.
All these years I didn't knowyou.
SPEAKER_05 (21:24):
Yeah, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_06 (21:25):
And I told him, like, God, please, I know your
Bible says that you can restorethe years that were lost.
Yes.
Amen.
You can restore them, and I knowyou can.
Yes.
And I would pray that prayerover and over again.
Yeah, it's good.
And so after that moment, youknow, after that deliverance,
and I and I truly saw God'smiraculous power in my life,
yeah.
And his, you know, freeing mysoul, freeing my spirit, making
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me no longer in bondage to thosespirits.
You know, I wanted more of thisGod.
I wanted more of him.
That's the only thing that wason my mind is I want more God.
Yeah, I want more of him.
So I surrounded my life only byhim.
Yeah, nothing more either.
SPEAKER_05 (22:05):
And on my side, Michael, I remember when you
reapplied, all our staff said,wow, we see a different humility
in this man.
Um, and I could see from thatday forward, there has been a
different Michael.
When I define a differentMichael, there has been a more
humble, a more um pursuingJesus, not just for word, but
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for what do you want for mylife?
Uh, I've seen a greater umopenness to listen and hear.
Now, with that said, just likeI've been a Christian for 36, 35
years now, um, it's taken 36years.
Oh my gosh, I'm getting old.
But uh uh there's a process ofsanctification, so you don't
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become perfect overnight.
So I'm I and Michael did notbecome perfect overnight or even
today, but you've grown.
And that's what I want to beclear.
There's been a marked change anda marked process of different
and and and you your awarenessis greater, your your
understanding.
And the other thing is again,you have kept staying in the
word of God and being in hispresence.
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And I I would be on, I would saythis you would, I don't think
your wife Rebecca would havemarried the pre-Michael at all.
No, she wouldn't have to be.
She saw who the man of God youcould be and are, and she
wouldn't have saw that before.
SPEAKER_06 (23:23):
Yeah, and after after that month of surrounding
myself with God, I started doingGod started testing me.
SPEAKER_04 (23:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (23:29):
You know, there was one day where I went to a
restaurant with my mom.
Yeah, you know, we went to gothe Maple City Biscuit Company.
I love that taste.
It's delicious.
We went there, well, those arethe first day that uh Misty and
I went there last week.
SPEAKER_05 (23:42):
Yeah.
And we okay, but real quick, thesquawking goat.
It's got goat cheese and thisjelly, this jalapeno jelly on
it.
Oh my gosh, sorry.
SPEAKER_06 (23:51):
I went there the first day they opened, and I
pretty much got to tryeverything.
Oh, that is awesome.
SPEAKER_05 (23:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (23:56):
But so we went there and you know, we had breakfast
there.
Yeah, I didn't barely have anymoney in my pocket.
I had 150 bucks, I think.
And in my pocket was 60 of thosedollars, the rest was in the
bank.
Yeah.
And so I went, you know, I thinkit was 180 and because I spent
$30 on the food and I still had$50 in my pocket after that.
And God was like, hey, you seethat that family over there?
SPEAKER_04 (24:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (24:18):
You know, I want you to go pray over them.
I'm like, okay.
That would for me, if you knowme, you know, that that's that's
not a big deal.
I'm like, all right, I'll gopray for him.
Yeah.
But if you saw how I looked, Ilooked homeless.
I had some, I had a hole in myshirt, I had some sweatpants on.
Like I look, I look like I justjumped.
SPEAKER_05 (24:37):
I didn't work at home in my tattered clothes, my
clean up.
SPEAKER_06 (24:43):
I just wanted I had a Sunday fixation to go get
breakfast.
So I went to go get breakfast.
And I didn't, I didn't carry iton.
Yeah, I'm like, all right, I'llgo get breakfast.
And so I went to the head of thetable to the you know, to the
man at the table and asked him,like, hey, can I pray for your
family?
So I prayed for their familythere.
And after breakfast was done, Iwent to the car and um God was
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like, hey, go pay for theirmeal.
I was like, man, I only I onlygot 50 bucks in my pocket.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (25:12):
I was like, I tested that greed and selfishness and
ambition.
SPEAKER_06 (25:16):
And so I went and I didn't, I went and I went
straight to the restroom.
Yeah.
And I I was there pleading withGod.
I was like, God, do you reallywant me to do this?
Is this probably gonna be like30 bucks and that 25, 30 bucks?
No, he wanted me to give himpretty much the money in my
pocket.
SPEAKER_05 (25:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (25:31):
So the$50 that was in my pocket.
SPEAKER_05 (25:33):
You got a big family, you'll pay a little bit,
yeah.
There was like six people formy.
SPEAKER_06 (25:37):
You know,$50 can really help.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So I pleaded with God in therestroom, and then after that, I
was like, okay, whatever.
I'll do it.
I went and I went to the head ofthe table, to the man at the
table, the other father.
Yeah.
I was like, hey, you know, Godwanted me to pay for y'all's
breakfast.
So I gave him the I think it wasmaybe I think it was 60 bucks.
I gave him$60.
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Yeah.
Everything that was in mywallet, and I went outside and I
left.
I was like, man, I don't knowwhy God did that.
Yeah.
Maybe this guy saw me as alunatic.
Yeah.
And maybe God wanted to affirmthat this guy is truly from me.
SPEAKER_03 (26:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (26:11):
And in my homeless lookingness, and you know, he
asked me to go pay for thisman's meal.
Yeah.
And then I ended up leaving inthat that same, I believe it was
that same day.
You know, either that was thenext day.
You know, I was on my way to goto my my friend had a Bible
study that day.
Okay.
And I went to go to go join himfor his Bible study.
Most of them were, you know,supposed to be there.
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Yeah.
Ended up, all of them ended upgoing on Zoom except two.
Yeah.
And on my way there, God waslike, hey, I want you to stop at
Bill Miller's, get a familymeal, and bring lunch for the
guys.
I mean, bring dinner for theguys.
My God, I have a hundred bucksin my bank.
SPEAKER_02 (26:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (26:51):
What did I do?
I went to the drive-thru of BillMiller's.
SPEAKER_02 (26:53):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (26:54):
And I was like, okay, I guess this is what you
asked me to do, I'll do it.
I end up getting a$50 meal forthe guys, because you know, if
you know a family meal, it's$50a you know, Bill Miller's with a
gallon of tea.
Yeah, yeah.
And that that day, you know,like we had Bible study, and it
was interesting.
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This is a marked period of my ofmy spiritual walk with God.
After, you know, we were doingBible study, we talked, and then
afterwards, me and him, me andmy friend were talking.
And as we were talking, it's forthe first time in my life where
God started to reveal his wordto me.
That's awesome.
And I started talking onconcepts that were foreign to
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me, but I understood it.
SPEAKER_05 (27:39):
Yeah.
You had it wasn't from reading atext like I would a novel and
reading and understanding thenovel.
It was life, it was rhema word.
And there's a difference betweenthe logos, which is just the
reading in the in the knowledge,and the rhema word when God
speaks and opens up your mind towhat his spirit moves.
That's beautiful.
SPEAKER_06 (27:58):
And that for the first time in my life, I've ever
experienced that.
SPEAKER_04 (28:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (28:02):
And right after that day, like it was mind-blowing to
me.
I I was sitting in the car afterwhen I got to the car, I was
like, what just happened?
SPEAKER_05 (28:11):
Yeah.
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_06 (28:12):
And I called, I called my friend Todd, and I was
and I was told him, I'm like,man, I don't know what's going
on.
Like, I feel like God's really,like, just really like expanding
my knowledge, and I don't knowhow.
SPEAKER_04 (28:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (28:25):
And and in my mind, I'm like, God is replacing
those.
SPEAKER_05 (28:30):
That's awesome, man.
Well, I want to say somethinghere before we transition to the
renewing of the mind, because Ithink it's vital to talk about
if you're going to talk aboutdealing with demons, but he you
were obedient.
And you see, that this is thekey.
If you want God's presence inyour life, you have to be
obedient.
You want to hear more from theSpirit of God, then listen to
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him and obey when he asks you todo something small.
And it'll grow, and it'll grow.
And then the process startshappening where I've listened to
him on the Bill Millers and Ilistened to on the Biscuit Place
and then Maple Street Biscuit,and then it'll get bigger and
bigger and bigger.
But you have a choice.
If you ignore it, it will dieand you will not hear his voice.
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And so that's a great segue intous now talking about renewing of
the mind.
Well, that's a great story andum segue into renewing of the
mind.
Before we do, I want to add afew things.
Okay, I want to add a biblicaluh thing to the four twelve.
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So when you're talking aboutdemonic influences and then what
happens is when you become aChristian, your spirit becomes
alive, okay?
The demons can never uh ifyou're a Christian and you are
your spirit becomes alive inChrist, they can never possess
that.
But you're still beingsanctified and you have this
other side.
The Bible says the word of Godseparates the soul and the
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spirit.
So then the soul side is wherethose demons attach to and they
they work through.
Does that make sense?
Your human aspect.
No.
Why is that important?
Because what has to take placeand you're going into it is uh
is that the word of God has tobecome part of your life.
It judges then also the thoughtsand attitudes of the heart, is
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what the Bible says.
So here's what happens.
Imagine I've grown up and I'vebeen told by the world and by my
experiences and even by demons.
For example, I've seen thepeople be delivered from shame,
okay?
And they've had all this life,this is this demon in their
lives telling them you're nogood.
You're nothing, you're notworthy, no one loves you.
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So they have built this beliefsystem in their soulless mind
side of their human existencethat they are no good.
Does that make sense?
And they can't be redeemed, andno one should care for them and
they can't be loved.
So when you become alive inChrist, gotta start working
through that.
But sometimes there's demonsthere and they have gotten a
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home because they've allowedthem in.
Does that make sense?
And sometimes it's from trauma,sometimes it's because they've
been abused, sometimes becausethey've been abandoned, and they
think everyone's abandoning themand they'll never have it.
So it's a combination ofexperience and even demonic
activity in telling them thesebeliefs, and so you have to have
that being transformed, you haveto have that renewing of the
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mind, is what the Bible says.
So, how do you do that?
When you start reading the wordof God, and then all of a sudden
you read, you know, I am aspecial treasure, I am a uh I am
this, and the Spirit of Godgoes, I'm talking to you, you
are a special possession ofmind.
I bought you at the price, andmy blood was shed for you.
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And you start saying, Wow, Ican't, but my mind's telling me
I'm worthless and I'm nobody,and he's saying, Yuji, that's
not truth.
So you can hear the word, butit's different than when God
reveals the word.
That's what we call the Rhemaword of God.
So when you have the Rhema wordof God, it transforms the mind,
it it brings life, and thespirit says, That word is for
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you.
I didn't just write it for justto write it in there and add it
to your Bible.
I wrote it because I wanted youto hear this, young son or young
daughter.
So that process is a requirementto get the mindset changed and
not live under oppression or theleftover oppression in a sense
that the enemy taught you.
And you started doing that.
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And so help me understand howGod did that in you as we go
forward.
How did He was there versesabout um you obviously were
obedient?
He spoke to you to go give moneyand to go buy food.
Um, but what other ways did youwork on renewing of the mind
from that point forward?
And how did God use that tochange your way of thinking?
So, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (33:10):
Um yeah, I told you that I locked myself, might, you
know, pretty much locked myselfin a room for a month.
And it wasn't until after thatmonth where God, you know,
really started to reveal thatrevelatory knowledge to me, you
know, that ramo, that rain, thatand as, and I'm thinking this
like literally as I'm likereplaying scripture in my head,
and I'm I'm like, you know,thinking about it, and then like
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I said, God started revealing.
Now, after that point, it wascrazy because in a matter of
three months, like I went and Idevoured the whole New
Testament.
Yes.
And not only that, I made noteson everything.
Yes.
In three months, I read all theold, all the New Testament, and
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I had all the notes on it.
Like I never in my life had Iwanted that desire to, and I
thought that month was wassomething, but after that month,
when that happened, it was justa whole new thing.
And it was, you know, what whatchanged after that moment was
just I just dug more in.
Yeah, it gave me more of a anearnest want and desire to just
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have him.
Yes, and to learn more and moreabout him.
unknown (34:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (34:22):
And with that understanding, and when you're
when you're reading and youstart getting these these these
thoughts, and you're like makingthem down, like you don't at
that point, I didn't want tostop.
Like God put a fire in me.
It becomes exciting.
SPEAKER_05 (34:34):
Oh, the word game from dryness to life.
It better than any novel youcould ever have.
I mean, you know God is speakingthrough his word.
SPEAKER_06 (34:43):
It's a beautiful thing.
Yeah, and you know, when all myyears in, you know, walking with
Jesus and people were like, Ican't do without him.
Yeah, I can't do without him.
I'm like, I want that, but Idon't have it.
Yeah, I I want that desire towant him, yeah, but it's not
there.
Yeah, and I would always askGod, like, you know, I want
that, please.
Yeah, and then at that moment,in that period of time, I
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understood what that meant.
Yes.
To want him above everythingelse.
SPEAKER_05 (35:10):
That is awesome, bro.
SPEAKER_06 (35:12):
And so, if after that point, like I said, I, you
know, I started digging in andreally allowing his character to
develop me.
Yeah.
And allowing myself to growcloser and closer to him.
There was one night, and this isduring that three-month period
where I woke up at like three inthe morning.
SPEAKER_02 (35:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (35:32):
And when I woke up at three in the morning, God was
God was like, you know, justthere.
And you know, I started praying,I put on worship music.
Yeah.
Next thing I know what God isgiving visions to me in my head,
yeah.
Saying, like, there's stuff inmy house that needs to be gone.
SPEAKER_02 (35:49):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (35:50):
And I knew because my aunt used to do witchcraft,
she still does, yeah.
But there's a lot of idols inthat home.
SPEAKER_02 (35:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (35:57):
And God was showing me where they all were.
That's good.
And so I started going aroundthe home, grabbing them and
going outside and smashing them.
SPEAKER_04 (36:04):
Nice.
SPEAKER_06 (36:05):
And then I get into my room.
I thought I thought they wereall gone.
SPEAKER_04 (36:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (36:09):
I get to my room and I start praying again.
You know, and as I'm smashingthese idols, I'm going and I'm
praying over all the doorways,speaking in tongues.
I'm like, I don't even know whatI'm doing.
Yeah.
No clue, but I just know God,that's what God wanted me to do.
SPEAKER_05 (36:23):
Get rid of anything that is not uh.
SPEAKER_06 (36:24):
And I want you to pray over the home in the
process.
Love it.
And and then I get into my roomafter I've just prayed over the
whole house, all the windows,all the door frame, everything.
Yes.
Put, you know, put God all overit.
Yeah.
And I get to my bed and I startpraying again.
God's like, there's stillsomething here.
That's good.
And I could see it in my head.
unknown (36:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (36:44):
And I didn't know where it was.
And there was only one room Ididn't go in, which was my
brother's room.
unknown (36:49):
Okay.
SPEAKER_06 (36:49):
Because he was in there.
SPEAKER_04 (36:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (36:51):
And but God revealed that to me.
He's like, something's in there.
And I knocked on the door, and Imy brother opens the door and I
see an eagle statue on top ofhis dresser.
Yeah.
And my aunt used that fordemonic purposes, for a rich
craft, like to protect the home.
Yeah.
Or the room or whatever.
And I told him, I'm like, I needthat eagle.
And you could see it in thatsecond.
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He's like, no, it's mine.
Yeah.
And you could at that point,never before have I seen this,
but I could see that.
SPEAKER_05 (37:21):
Beyond a I want that, it's my possession, to
there's something behind thisthat's deeper.
SPEAKER_06 (37:26):
It's like you think of like um my precious.
Yeah.
My precious.
But that's what I felt.
That's how it felt to me.
SPEAKER_05 (37:34):
If you're not a uh sci-fi guy, Lord of the Rings,
yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (37:36):
Yes.
Lord of the Rings, when he'swanting to take that ring from
him, he wants it.
But in that same second, you sawa switch flip, and he's like, I
was he's like, okay, yeah, youcan have it.
That's awesome.
And I grabbed it and wentoutside, smashed it on the
ground.
Let's go.
And then I I went into my home,my room, and now first God, you
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know, created that peace withinme.
Yes.
Through that, you know,releasing of that bondage, to
now he's like, I want your hometo have peace.
That's good.
And so, and this is all becauseof obedience.
Yeah.
If it wasn't for me, wanting togrow closer and closer and
closer to him and let himtransform me from within.
Yes, I probably would have neverdone that.
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I would have never beensubmissive to him in a way that
allowed him to use me.
It's good, Mike.
SPEAKER_05 (38:27):
Well, I think what's interesting here, you know what
it reminds me of is um, oh gosh,uh Gideon.
Gideon, when he get God meetshim in the uh in the wine press,
he's hiding uh, because they'rethe Israel and the Jewish people
are being oppressed.
And um the the angel of the Lordcomes to him and says, Stand up,
mighty man of God.
And he's like, Remember, I'm thesmallest of the smallest clan of
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the smallest tribe.
And like I'm no one.
I'm nobody.
And he says, Stand up, mightyman of God.
And and he tells him, Go in yourown strength right now.
And you know what he goes anddoes the first moment?
At night, he goes because he's alittle bit afraid, but he goes
at night and he tears down allthe Astra poles and all the
idols and all those things.
And the next morning he's like,they're like, the people are
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like, Oh my gosh, let's killwhoever did this.
And and and his dad actuallystands up and says, If those
other gods are powerful enough,they'll kill them themselves.
You don't have to worry aboutthat.
So they were like, oh, okay.
But the point is, the firstthing he did was go down, tear
down the enemy's things.
This is part of why we do getrid of those things, because
sometimes you, and this is theother revelation you have.
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We are in a spiritual battle.
We wrestle not against flesh andblood.
There is all kinds of demonicthings going on.
And most people don't even care,don't even think about it, it's
not even on their radar.
And it's no wonder they're inoppression.
It's no wonder their familiesare hurting.
It's no wonder, and we havethese idols in our homes.
We don't even care.
And you don't even know thatyou're opening the door to the
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enemy, and that's why you'rebeing robbed a piece of joy of
life and and and all of that.
And so I say a couple of thingson the renewing of the mind.
First, you read your word andyou have a revelation.
Wait, I gotta get rid of allthese things.
Second, then you actually actupon an obedience.
SPEAKER_06 (40:08):
And on the acting part, if you don't, and I we we
skipped over this because weforgot, but whenever whenever we
first got home, yeah, from mywhenever you came to drop me off
from Alex, you know what thefirst thing I did, I was like,
wait in the truck.
Yep.
I'm gonna go get something.
And what I had over a thousanddollars worth of pot smoking
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tools serving inside of myhouse.
For the first time, normallybefore then, when something like
that would happen, I would givethat stuff to my brother because
he was a pothead.
Yeah, but I didn't want toanymore.
Yeah, I wanted to rid myself andrid it completely and not put it
in someone else's hands.
Yeah.
So I went and I filled up awhole big black trash bag full
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of bombs, pipes, tools, youknow, all the whatever drugs I
had left.
I threw it in there as well.
And it that was a free moment,like that right there was a
pinnacle moment for me.
I wouldn't have done thatnormally.
SPEAKER_05 (41:06):
Emma, I remember um he says, Hey, I need to give you
some stuff.
Amazon production over here.
But she says, I gotta give yousome stuff.
And he comes and gives me a bigold bag of stuff, and he's like,
There's all kinds of drug stuff.
There's a lot of money in there,but I need you to go get rid of
it.
And he gave it to me.
I remember driving.
I drove to like a diamondshamrock, and I was about to put
it.
I I mean, I remember I'm lookingaround thinking, man, I hope
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there's no cops.
They're gonna be like, thisguy's hiding a bunch of gear,
but no, I just threw it in thetrash.
I think I had to take the topoff and lift it in because it
was so full of big chongs, andyou name it.
And you could probably smell thepot coming out of that bag.
So uh yeah, and that's the key.
You were obedient, youunderstood, I don't want
anything else but Jesus in mylife, and because of that, and
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that's also part of adeliverance I want to make sure
is this.
Again, you have to want this.
When you allow, and I I stillwant to keep that in my life.
Well, then don't maybe expect tobe delivered.
So you can be in a place andyou're we're all praying, and
yet nothing's happening.
Well, maybe you want that inyour life and you're not willing
to let go of it.
Maybe there's unforgiveness inyour life you're not willing to
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let go of, and it's keeping youin bondage.
There's a lot of times that umwe are not being delivered
because we are not truly wantingJesus more than anything else.
Yeah.
That's awesome, man.
Well, I'm excited.
Um, for you guys that arelistening.
Again, there's no glory in theaspect of demons.
We could care less.
It's about setting people free.
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It's about our His people beingin bondage, and it's the call of
the people of God to share thatfreedom.
I want to reiterate what I saidearlier, and that was this
dealing with demons should bethe norm.
It's not, it shouldn't even be abig deal because everyone as a
Christian should be experiencingthat and dealing with it.
As Jesus said, the shines shallfollow those who believe, they
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shall speak in new tongues andcast out demons.
It shouldn't even it should benormative.
Instead, it's considered crazyand weird and kooky.
But read your Bible.
I mean, am I right?
How many demons and stuff waswritten about it everywhere
Jesus went, healed the sick, anddeep people were demons were
being removed.
SPEAKER_06 (43:15):
Peter, Paul, everybody.
A lot of people they they theysee and hear about these people
casting out demons, and some ofthem do it an injustice.
They they they make it seem likeas if they're the authority.
Yeah.
And then you have these people,these these other Christians on
the outside, like this guy'scuckoo bananas.
SPEAKER_04 (43:34):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (43:35):
You know, I don't know what he's doing, but you
know, it doesn't seem right thathe's not giving glory to God.
He's saying as if he talkedthose demons out of them when it
wasn't ever him.
So he's putting uh he'sunintentionally putting a
disdain upon this this thisaspect of Christianity that
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should be a norm.
SPEAKER_05 (43:58):
And you know what?
You that's a great point youmake, Mike.
Um I'm thinking this thestatement a fake dollar does not
devalue the real dollar, okay?
Uh just because there's amillion people trying to make
fakes and use them as real doesnot mean there's not a real
dollar bill.
I'll take that dollar if youdon't want it.
Does that make sense?
Okay.
The point is this just becausethe enemy works and tries to do
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things with fake and doesn'tlook real or and and does it out
of flesh does not mean that thisisn't real.
So we can't just run from thingsbecause we saw a bad example.
That doesn't, the Bible is mysource of my faith and my
practice.
Does that make sense?
And it is clear about thesethings.
Um, so the falsehood doesn't.
And then, and the other thingyou mentioned, I thought of Jude
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when you said that.
Remember, they it says they theythey talk like brutish beasts or
something like that against thethe angelic things, like uh they
don't even realize basicallythey're they're tiny little
things.
Uh, and then he goes in andsays, even when Moses fought for
the life, or when um what wasit, my Michael the Art Angel,
Archangel, fought for Moses, um,he said, May the Lord rebuke
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you.
So men come in and they try touse the name of Jesus and they
do it like they have all theauthority, doesn't mean it's not
true.
We're calling on our God, and itis real, and I've seen it
hundreds of times.
I've seen, and I'll be over theyears talking about more
experiences of these, but I'veseen it, I've worked with
pastors that see it, I work withpeople in the inner city that
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have gone through it, work guyslike you.
I can tell you this is real,it's alive today, but if you
think it's not, you'll nevereven deal with it.
And sometimes there's somebodysitting beside you that really
needs freedom in Jesus, andsometimes they need to deal with
these things.
Sometimes it's just their ownflesh and their own character,
and it's not constant demons.
Again, I'm not they're not underevery rock, but there's often it
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is, and you need to be willingto deal with it.
unknown (45:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (45:49):
And on that on that, on that same note, like what
what what happened wheneverwhenever they were walking, when
they were walking to with um, Ithink it was with Paul or with
some with uh John and Peter, andthey had that one girl that was
with them, that was you know inthat group, yeah, and she was
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saying, you know, saying thingsthat these are the sons of the
living God, or they werepreaching about the sons of the
living God.
Yeah.
And then that that guy that waswith him, I think it was it
Simon or something.
And saw them rebuke it and it goaway.
And so he wanted that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (46:24):
So there's gonna be people in this world world for
the money to have the power theyhad to catch.
SPEAKER_06 (46:29):
There's gonna be people in this world that are
gonna want to capitalize onthat.
Yes.
And with that, on that samenote, that's good, there's gonna
be Christians who are gonna bewalking with God, and they're
gonna see that there issomething that can come from
that fruit, yeah, and they'regonna abuse it.
SPEAKER_05 (46:46):
Well, and I and I'll close with this idea that Mike,
I I feel like in my own walk,I'll be honest, early on in my
Christianity, I really was like,I want to know about this, I
want to know about it.
And but I hadn't experienced alot of it for many, many years.
When that first majordeliverance happened, and when I
talked about when she wasfinally set free, I began to
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cry.
I mean, but the Spirit of Godsaid it's about freedom, it's
not about the battle.
And I fully comprehended that Idon't care about these demons, I
don't care about a story, Idon't care about the sign of
wonder aspect, I care thatpeople are set free.
It has changed everything.
And since that day, it's justbeen a constant uptick of seeing
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uh demonic activity, dealingwith it, praying against it.
But the heart needs to be right.
That's what you're saying.
It needs to be in alignment withGod.
And you, if you're doing it fora spectacle, if you're doing it
to try to, ooh, I want to be,you are in the wrong place.
SPEAKER_06 (47:42):
And remember, the devil's there.
Oh, he's there, he's gonnapride.
And he's he's gonna he's gonnaform that, he's gonna form that
weapon against you.
Exactly.
And that chink in your armor,that where that vulnerability
is, he'll attack it.
Yeah, and he'll expand on it.
That's right, and he will makeit something that you only think
about.
SPEAKER_05 (47:59):
It can be something good, and he turns it into evil.
Because, but if you're that'swhy we have to stay in his
presence, have to stay in hisword, and we have to stay with
brothers and sisters that arewilling to say, hey man, I'm
wondering if that's actually youor is that the Lord, you know?
Yeah.
Well, let's close in a prayer,Mike.
Uh, why don't you close thisprayer?
But to you guys in the audience,we are so excited you're hearing
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this again.
Jesus, he saves people, he setspeople free.
All of this is because Jesusbought our lives with the blood
of with his blood on the crossof Calvary.
All freedom is in Jesus.
And so I want you all to knowthat.
And so why don't you close thisin a short prayer, Mike?
SPEAKER_06 (48:36):
Dear Lord, dear Father, I just thank you, Father
God, for allowing just to bringbring aspects to the light, Lord
Jesus.
Bring, you know, these thesethings that may be unknown to
some who are walking with you,Father God.
I just ask you, Lord Jesus, Iask you, Father God, to give
those strength to hold thosethoughts captive and to not
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allow the enemy to overrun theirminds and their lives.
Bring freedom, Father God, inyour holy righteous son's name,
Jesus Christ, I pray.
Amen.
SPEAKER_05 (49:05):
Amen.
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Welcome back to the Agore Cast.
This is the second episode of atwo-part series.
We recommend you watch the firstpart first, but either way,
we're glad you're here.
Let's jump right in.
Well, you bring up somethingreally important that I feel
like we need to now startaddressing, and that is one of
the massive ways demons oppressthe people of God is their
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thought life.
Now, you we let them in by ourchoices, and you let them in by
things you did, things you wereseeing, things you but they're
called, they're there to stealkill and destroy, steal your
sanity, steal your joy, stealyour peace, still all that
stuff, to kill you, to walk,make you walk away from God
entirely.
And but I want to talk aboutthoughts for a second, because
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you mentioned you would be inthe presence of God, you would
be at church or in the training,and you'd be great then the
moment you walked out.
Boom.
It was like David and the it'slike David and the David and the
harp.
Um liar.
The liar.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The um David, the Bible saysthat um Solomon was, um, excuse
me, um Saul was being tormentedby demons, and it was in his
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mind.
So I need everyone to hear this.
This is 100% biblical.
He was constantly beingtormented of his mind.
He had no peace, constanttorment.
And the Bible says it was ademon sent from in the enemy to
torment, to torture him and totorment him.
And they said, call aroundpeople, and they found that
David, this was before he wasanointed king.
So he God put him in the palacebefore he was even uh called to
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be the king, before he wasanointed by Samuel.
And David goes in there andstarts playing the harp.
And the Bible says, Ushering inGod's presence, his presence
would come, and the tormentingwould go away.
So David's job was to help bringpeace to Saul.
Now, Saul was in wickedness,Saul was running from God, Saul
was not doing God's will, Saulwas in his own world, selfish
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pride, you name all thosethings.
And so he needed the presence ofGod.
So, some of you people, you'rehearing this.
There's times you walk intoworship service and you do feel
peace.
There's times you walk intomoments where you're with other
believers and you feel adifferent sense.
I've had people come to ourhouse and literally say, I just
feel so peaceful.
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I haven't, they like, I've hadpeople come and literally ask
could they just stay at ourhouse and sit a little bit
longer because they felt peace.
Well, it's not Jason, I gotnothing to give you.
You know what I'm saying?
But but I can tell you I prayover my home, and our home is
going to be a place of theSpirit of God.
The presence of God is welcomethere.
I call on his Holy Spirit.
I command things occasionally toyou will not have any place here
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with my kids in Jesus' name.
I am the uh begod by the bloodof Jesus is giving me authority
to cast out anything that isgonna take away from my
children's lives, and you willnot be present here.
My wife praised that.
And so the presence of Godbrings uh peace.
But when you're going back andyou don't feel it, that's a sign
there's probably something wrongthere.
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You know what I'm saying?
And I've heard people say, allof a sudden lustful thoughts
will come.
I've heard them say, I feel likeangry and want to punch people
in the face.
I feel they've I've had peopledescribe many of these emotions.
They're like, it's not normal.
Like I'm sitting here talkingand then I walk away, and all of
a sudden, these thoughts andthese, and you like you said, I
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can't think of anything else.
I'm thinking, how do I get awayfrom this thought?
That's typically a a uh a signthat there's some spiritual
oppression going on.
So and that's what you'reexpressing.
SPEAKER_06 (03:59):
Yeah, and so as soon as like I would I would leave
the church and like I said,these thoughts would come
flooding in my head, and I wouldjust be like, you know, Saint
Me.
Saint me, yeah, I'm not gonnaI'm gonna choose not to think
like this.
Yeah, but I didn't I didn't Ididn't cut I didn't put Jesus
over that.
Yeah, I did it in my ownstrength.
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Yeah, I didn't let God I didn'tsubmit that to God, yes, because
I didn't know.
I didn't know that that was whatneeded what was needed to be
done there, yes.
And so when you're when you'reall these years and you're
constantly throwing that stuffaside, thinking, oh, this is
this is just this is mythoughts, yeah.
Just don't think like that.
Yeah, I'll be alright, justdon't think like that.
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And so now in in the time ofdeliverance, and there was seven
spirits oppressing me.
Yes.
So imagine how much weirdthoughts I would probably go
through my head.
SPEAKER_04 (04:53):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (04:53):
Like, do this, you'll be you'll you'll you'll
make more money.
Yeah, don't do that, you mightdie.
Yeah, you know, it was to thepoint.
I wouldn't even like you have acut, sometimes you'll to stop
the I wouldn't even I would beafraid if I did that to my own
blood, I would get cancer orsomething.
SPEAKER_05 (05:07):
Oh my gosh.
Wow.
I was fearful of death.
Yes, yes.
Those those were little thoughtslike that that would be
implemented in and there's notjoy, there's not peace, there's
not just a a settled mind.
It's all and then this remindsme of the uh you know, the
weapons of our warfare are notcarnal.
Um, and then he says, we takeevery thought captive that
raises self against Christ.
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Those thoughts in this again, Iwanted to say that because I
want people to see this isbiblical.
Yeah, those thoughts are coming,and you know that is not of God.
It is the weapons that we havethrough the Holy Spirit.
We can tear down thosearguments, tear down those
thoughts that bring itself aboveChrist.
Christ is my God, I will notworry about fear.
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I am the sting of death has beentaken away.
You know what I'm saying?
But we'll talk about that in aminute.
I have right here talk about therenewing of the mind in a
minute.
Yeah, I have to do that.
Your mind is not in peace, am Iright?
SPEAKER_06 (05:59):
Yeah, no, yeah, absolutely.
And God has given me a wholedifferent perspective on holding
my thoughts captive.
SPEAKER_02 (06:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (06:07):
And we we'll talk about that here in a minute
because that's a wholeconversation within itself.
But so, like, now in thisdeliverance, and what when we're
going through this, andafterwards, and this is back to
the part where you know Alexasked me, he was like, How do
you feel right now?
And the only word that can comeout of my mind was peace.
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I was like, peace.
And my head, I'm like, it's soquiet.
SPEAKER_05 (06:33):
You know what's funny?
I remember on the way home, wewere so quiet.
Remember, we drove, and then Idid say, Are you hungry?
He goes, I'm starving.
And we went to a drive-thru, butit was so quiet, and you kept
saying, I just feel so muchpeace.
I just feel so much peace.
I remember looking over at you,and before you kind of chattered
a lot, you know, you were justlike, I feel peace.
I remember that.
SPEAKER_06 (06:54):
And I I even like I had like$120 shoes, and I just
bought them maybe a few monthspast.
Yeah.
And I was like, I don't evencare.
Like, I could grab these shoesand throw them out the window.
They mean nothing to me.
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (07:06):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (07:07):
But that greed that was holding on to me before.
Yes.
And it was like, you need tohold this close.
You need to, you need and that'sawesome.
Like, and so after that, youwere like, Man, you know, you
you know, you need to break thisfast, you know, you know, go
ahead and get you some food andwent to Burger Boy and grabbed
some burgers.
SPEAKER_05 (07:23):
Burger Boy, I remember that.
Yep.
Okay, so let's let's I I want totake a side note here, and then
we're gonna review some of this.
But um, okay, I want to beclear.
I'm not a demon under every rockkind of guy.
SPEAKER_02 (07:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_05 (07:36):
I am not a, I don't chase demons, I don't care.
I want to see, and and and thefirst major deliverance I ever
was a part of where it was likeit was even crazier than this
story.
Um, when the young lady was setfree, there was a peace over my
heart that I had neverexperienced before.
It was so beautiful, it was, Icouldn't stop crying.
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Like literally, the last demonleft, and I felt God say to me,
it's not about the battle withthis demon, it's about setting
my people free.
And that revelation has changedmy whole view of dealing with
demons.
So listen, let me back up andsay this too.
Jesus said, These signs shallfollow those believe in Mark 16.
You shall speak in new tonguesand you shall cast out demons.
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Jesus all throughout hisministry cast out demons.
The disciples cast out demons.
It is totally normative to haveencounters with spiritual
forces.
We have made it because of ourculture something weird, and
then Christians that talk aboutdemons are weird.
And we don't, I mean, I don'tknow that I've ever heard it
preached from a pulpit that Ican think of like actually
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dealing with demons like this.
It's so considered taboo andnow, which is a tactic of the
enemy.
Why not make everything that isdealing with the real world that
we're in, the battle that we'rein, seem weird and fake and all
that stuff?
Okay, so I'm not a demon guy.
I know it's in the Bible, andum, it is about setting people
free.
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So that's why I don't mindtalking about it.
I wanted you to hear that.
It's not about the battle andthe craziness, although that's
an interesting, although whenyou see those things, they're
they're called like signs andwonders.
It's a sign and it makes youwonder.
Oh, absolutely.
You're like, God, that was thankyou in a way for allowing me to
see behind the curtain.
You know what I'm saying?
But but it's not about that.
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No.
It's about bondages beingremoved.
And so um, so I'm not glorifyingdemons at all.
I could care less about demons,but I care for people to be set
free.
And you start realizing, and ifyou start allowing the Holy
Spirit to lead you, you'll startseeing more that is a demonic
thing, that is a spirit in theirlives.
And um, so we deal with that.
Um, and then I want to add thisto um um this isn't for Jason or
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Alex, because we named Alex.
Um, this isn't about um somebodywho has, oh, I'm so powerful and
holy and I'm a guru.
That's just silliness.
Yeah, it is so you that arebought by the blood of Jesus,
you are called by God andanointed by God and have the
authority by God to deal withthese things.
And you even have the deal withyour own home.
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You can rebuke these demons.
And I'm thinking I'm gonna do apodcast with another couple that
recently, their son, they werecalling me to come over and do a
deliverance, and I could notschedule the time.
I was out of town, they were outof town, we couldn't figure it
out.
Finally, I said, y'all just needto go do it yourself.
And they went and prayed overtheir son, he's 23-year-old, and
he starts manifesting demons,and there was a freedom from
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that day on that changed things.
This is for any believer that itcalls their cells sons of God,
believes in Jesus Christ, thatthe blood of God is of Jesus is
he's given us the power by whathe has done.
SPEAKER_06 (10:43):
So and just because you can cast out demons doesn't
mean you know Jesus.
Come on now.
The Bible, you know, what doesit say?
The Bible says, you know, Lord,I have casted out demons in your
name.
And I've done all this, and he'slike, Go do away.
I do not, for I do not know you.
Oh, golly, that's it.
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Jesus, there's power in thatname.
SPEAKER_05 (11:05):
There's power in the name of Jesus.
SPEAKER_06 (11:06):
But there's no power in the man that speaks the name.
Well, there's power in the name.
The authority is not given tous, it's given to Christ, which
we're allowed to use.
Yes, but we're not authoritativein any way.
Who are you apart from me?
SPEAKER_05 (11:19):
I never knew you.
unknown (11:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (11:20):
Oh, can you imagine that?
SPEAKER_06 (11:22):
And just imagine, like your whole life, you were
doing demonic oppressions, youare freeing all these people,
but you're not idolizing that.
You're making that youridentity, and you're not giving
any glory to God.
SPEAKER_02 (11:33):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (11:34):
And next thing you know, you're standing before God
and you're having to answer him.
He's this do away.
I for I do not know you.
SPEAKER_05 (11:40):
Oof, golly.
Guys, and that's the key here.
It's all about Jesus.
He is the author and perfecterof our faith, he is the center
of all that we believe.
He is the great God that lovesus and died for us.
There is nothing else.
Uh, I don't care.
And of course you learn thistoo.
I don't care anymore about whatyour gifts are.
I want to see your character.
Uh, because uh I've seen tons ofpeople with gifts and and
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abilities and even spiritualgifts, yet they don't have the
character of God.
I do not want to work with them.
I'd rather have people with verylittle talent that love God and
have good character than peoplethat have because God can
develop that.
Yeah, exactly.
God can do exactly.
That's good.
Okay, I want to touch on um uhwhy we name demons, and then
we'll talk about renewing of themind.
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Okay, but I do want to make forthe for the um I always had this
question.
I would hear people say, thatwas the spirit of addiction,
that was the spirit of pride.
That was and so I would also hadquestions about that.
So I just want to address it fora minute.
I don't believe there's uh firstoff, there's not a clarity in
the Bible about all this.
So I'm just telling you fromexperience um how we're naming
things and stuff.
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Um the Bible, I mean, the thethe demon said legion.
I mean, it meant it was lots ofthem in there in the Bible when
Jesus cast them out into thepigs, thousands.
But um, so he's saying he'scalling himself thousands, I
mean, but or whatever, you know,a legion.
But it's really their mission,is what we're addressing.
So if there was a demon, ifthere was a spirit that its goal
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in your life was to do bringpride, then then we would say,
rebuke you, spirit of pride,because it's that one trying to
destroy your peace through thethrough pride.
And uh, and so that's what thatmeans.
If it was a spirit of lust orperversion, we would say that
it's not like there's a demonand all it does and its name
forevermore is perversion.
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It's just that's what itsmission is.
That's what it's trying to do.
So that's what we address.
And so I just wanted to makethat clear of why we name it
that.
SPEAKER_06 (13:35):
So and some people like you know, they won't
recognize like the and what thiswill lead us into the renewing
of the mind.
Like, when whenever you'rehaving these desires, yeah,
these thoughts, what does theBible say about Jesus?
I mean, what does the Bible sayabout the devil?
He is a lion seeking those whomhe can devour.
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Yes.
And what does a lion do?
He looks for those that arevulnerable, yeah, those that are
alone, or those that are, youknow the side of the pack.
SPEAKER_02 (14:05):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (14:06):
And in that, it's you know, it states that the
that the devil will form weaponsagainst us.
That's right.
And so he has his devil, his hisdemons, his his rulers and
principalities and his his youknow darkness.
He has all them in this world,in the spiritual realm that we
cannot see.
SPEAKER_05 (14:27):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (14:28):
And he has them watching us, yeah, studying us,
knowing, uh knowing, hey, youknow, his you know, these
actions that you know, you cansee these are the desires what
he wants from what he's givinginto.
Yes.
And in all of this, he can hecan know exactly how to attack
you.
SPEAKER_05 (14:46):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (14:47):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_05 (14:48):
He's watching.
SPEAKER_06 (14:49):
And so people don't understand, like, you know, what
your desires are doing, yeah,you're you're allowing those
footholds for the enemy.
Yeah, absolutely.
And he's gonna see those andhe's gonna form that weapon
against you, he's gonna sendthat demon out to you to attack
that weak spot, that shink inyour armor.
SPEAKER_02 (15:06):
Yep.
SPEAKER_06 (15:09):
And now, next thing you know it, you're giving into
this.
Yes.
The enemy don't have any power.
No.
You allow them.
You your your desires and whatyou want it, and God says that
he will give you over to yourdesires.
If you desire something morethan him, yeah, he'll let you
have it.
SPEAKER_05 (15:24):
Well, and it reminds me is every Monday, we at after
our prayer and worship time, weput on the armor of God.
We say the scripture.
Uh, it's been Liana now Lestatstarting to have to quote it,
and uh, and then we we put onthe shield, you know, the helmet
of salvation and the breastplateof righteousness and the feet
fitted, the shield of faith.
What does it say?
So that you can extinguish theflaming arrows of the evil one.
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So what happens is we lower ourshield.
How is he sending fiery darts?
He's sending demons at you.
He's seeming spiritualoppression to cloud your mind.
Hey, Michael, go do this, go dothis.
But when you let that shielddown, you're allowing him an
opportunity.
Sometimes it'll hit, it won'tactually stay.
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But sometimes if you keep thatshield down or you keep removing
it for a demon to keep comingback, whether that be rage,
whether it be unforgiveness,whether that be perversion,
whatever it might be, greed,selfish ambitions, any of them,
you're allowing those darts tostay.
SPEAKER_06 (16:23):
Where does he attack your mind?
SPEAKER_05 (16:24):
Yeah, your mind.
That's where he attacks.
SPEAKER_06 (16:26):
That's where he attacked and and so you're like
wondering, you know, I'll havethis thought.
Sometimes you walk into a roomwith a bunch of people, and then
for some reason, your thought, athought in your head, says, You
want to have sex with thiswoman.
SPEAKER_01 (16:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (16:40):
And you're like, what?
SPEAKER_01 (16:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (16:42):
This ain't me.
I don't.
I don't even, I didn't even,that wasn't even on my mind.
SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (16:45):
But how do you know there's not someone in that
woman that's being oppressed,someone in that room that's
being oppressed by that demon?
And you you you you can feel theimpact that it has upon someone
else.
SPEAKER_05 (16:56):
Yeah.
So I drove in today to Medida.
I was go driving and I was aboutto take a left into our parking
lot, and there was a ladywalking, and she was staring at
me.
And I knew she was a prostitute.
She was, I I could seriously,God said, that is a woman that
is, and you could look and Icould see a spirit of perversion
upon her.
I pulled in, I'm not gonna, youknow, like, and I actually said,
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I rebuke that in the name ofJesus.
You are not gonna have ourcommunity.
But I mean, you can actually seeeven in those things in people's
lives.
And so you're saying, walk in.
If you're not with your guardsup, you're allowing yourself to
walk into bar, you're wearwalking into places, you're
allowing yourself to lower theshield.
And no wonder you're havingissues and your marriages
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falling apart.
You've allowed things to come inthat are not of God and it in
and of And you're not you're notholding these thoughts captive.
You're not holding them captive.
SPEAKER_06 (17:47):
So now, from what I knew then to what I know now,
yeah, and I understand theimportance of holding those
thoughts captive.
So I know now this enemy who isvery, very strategic.
SPEAKER_05 (18:00):
Yes, very strategic.
SPEAKER_06 (18:02):
But the thing is, he has no new moves.
SPEAKER_05 (18:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (18:04):
He does the same thing, he's been doing the same
thing for thousands of yearsbecause he knows it works.
Yes.
But he's there, you know, hesees us, he sees our
vulnerabilities, yeah, heattacks our vulnerabilities.
Yes.
And for us, you know, we give into that or we can rebuke that.
SPEAKER_05 (18:19):
That's good.
Okay, I'm gonna um I wannathere's actually three things I
want to talk about.
Okay, I want to talk aboutrenewing the mind, and I want to
talk about what changed afterthe deliverance, because you had
Michael before falling intothings, um, but desperate for
transformation, you'redelivered, and then there I can
tell you there's been adifferent Michael.
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So we're gonna talk about whatchanged first, but then before
we talk about renewing the mind,I'm gonna explain Hebrews 4 12
and the in the word of God uh isliving and active, separating
soul and spirit, joints andmarrow, and judging the thoughts
and attitudes of the heart.
But before we jump into that, Iwant to ask you in your mind,
what changed after thatdeliverance?
SPEAKER_06 (19:02):
Well, the day after the day after the deliverance
was done, I went straight overto a friend of mine's house.
His name's Nick.
I went over to his house, and itwas just me and him.
And I when I was there, Istarted bawling my eyes out.
I started crying, and I waslike, I can't trust my thoughts
anymore.
I can't trust my own head theseyears.
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Yeah, and I've been thinkingthese were my own thoughts to
find out they were demons thatwere oppressing me.
I at that moment I was like,God, I can't trust anything.
Yeah, I can't trust my own self.
I started weeping in that samemoment, God took that from me.
SPEAKER_04 (19:38):
Amen.
SPEAKER_06 (19:39):
And I and and those that doubt was there no more.
SPEAKER_04 (19:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (19:43):
That that in that same day, I was like, you know,
I gotta go see a friend of mine.
They're gonna they're gonna helpme and they're gonna, they're
actually gonna baptize me in theHoly Spirit.
Amen.
You know, if God wills it, andHe did.
SPEAKER_04 (19:55):
Yeah, Amen.
SPEAKER_06 (19:56):
And it was just, you know, you know, the Bible says,
you know, if you clean, youknow, that house is cleaned out,
the demons leave, you know, youneed to fill it back up, you
can't leave it empty.
SPEAKER_05 (20:07):
Don't leave it empty, baby.
SPEAKER_06 (20:08):
And so that next day I I wasted no time.
Yes.
And I, you know, asked myfriends to you know help with
the infilling of the HolySpirit.
Yeah.
And from then on, you know, itwas a whole different me.
SPEAKER_02 (20:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (20:20):
Because my, you know, I under I could understand
the true necessity of havingGod.
Yeah.
The true dependence that Ineeded to have upon Him.
Yeah.
And I started, you know, Istarted reading a lot more.
I this for a whole month afterthat, I like because I worked
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for myself doing electricalwork, so I had a lot of time on
my hands.
SPEAKER_02 (20:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (20:44):
So you know what I did?
I locked myself in my room.
Yeah.
If I wasn't listening to worshipmusic, I was listening to my
audio Bible.
If I wasn't listening to myaudio Bible, I was watching
sermons on TV.
For a whole month.
I remember you sending me abunch of stuff.
Yeah.
I I probably sent you a ton ofstuff.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (21:00):
Because and you had to fill it up.
You knew the enemy's gonna comeback.
I need to be filled with thepresence of God, the Holy
Spirit.
SPEAKER_06 (21:08):
At that point, for the first time in my life, I had
that true desire to just wantGod.
That's beautiful, man.
And for all these years beforethat, I I would pray to God and
I would tell him, like, Lord, Iyou know, I feel so bad.
All these years I didn't knowyou.
SPEAKER_05 (21:24):
Yeah, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_06 (21:25):
And I told him, like, God, please, I know your
Bible says that you can restorethe years that were lost.
Yes.
Amen.
You can restore them, and I knowyou can.
Yes.
And I would pray that prayerover and over again.
Yeah, it's good.
And so after that moment, youknow, after that deliverance,
and I and I truly saw God'smiraculous power in my life,
yeah.
And his, you know, freeing mysoul, freeing my spirit, making
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me no longer in bondage to thosespirits.
You know, I wanted more of thisGod.
I wanted more of him.
That's the only thing that wason my mind is I want more God.
Yeah, I want more of him.
So I surrounded my life only byhim.
Yeah, nothing more either.
SPEAKER_05 (22:05):
And on my side, Michael, I remember when you
reapplied, all our staff said,wow, we see a different humility
in this man.
Um, and I could see from thatday forward, there has been a
different Michael.
When I define a differentMichael, there has been a more
humble, a more um pursuingJesus, not just for word, but
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for what do you want for mylife?
Uh, I've seen a greater umopenness to listen and hear.
Now, with that said, just likeI've been a Christian for 36, 35
years now, um, it's taken 36years.
Oh my gosh, I'm getting old.
But uh uh there's a process ofsanctification, so you don't
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become perfect overnight.
So I'm I and Michael did notbecome perfect overnight or even
today, but you've grown.
And that's what I want to beclear.
There's been a marked change anda marked process of different
and and and you your awarenessis greater, your your
understanding.
And the other thing is again,you have kept staying in the
word of God and being in hispresence.
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And I I would be on, I would saythis you would, I don't think
your wife Rebecca would havemarried the pre-Michael at all.
No, she wouldn't have to be.
She saw who the man of God youcould be and are, and she
wouldn't have saw that before.
SPEAKER_06 (23:23):
Yeah, and after after that month of surrounding
myself with God, I started doingGod started testing me.
SPEAKER_04 (23:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (23:29):
You know, there was one day where I went to a
restaurant with my mom.
Yeah, you know, we went to gothe Maple City Biscuit Company.
I love that taste.
It's delicious.
We went there, well, those arethe first day that uh Misty and
I went there last week.
SPEAKER_05 (23:42):
Yeah.
And we okay, but real quick, thesquawking goat.
It's got goat cheese and thisjelly, this jalapeno jelly on
it.
Oh my gosh, sorry.
SPEAKER_06 (23:51):
I went there the first day they opened, and I
pretty much got to tryeverything.
Oh, that is awesome.
SPEAKER_05 (23:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (23:56):
But so we went there and you know, we had breakfast
there.
Yeah, I didn't barely have anymoney in my pocket.
I had 150 bucks, I think.
And in my pocket was 60 of thosedollars, the rest was in the
bank.
Yeah.
And so I went, you know, I thinkit was 180 and because I spent
$30 on the food and I still had$50 in my pocket after that.
And God was like, hey, you seethat that family over there?
SPEAKER_04 (24:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (24:18):
You know, I want you to go pray over them.
I'm like, okay.
That would for me, if you knowme, you know, that that's that's
not a big deal.
I'm like, all right, I'll gopray for him.
Yeah.
But if you saw how I looked, Ilooked homeless.
I had some, I had a hole in myshirt, I had some sweatpants on.
Like I look, I look like I justjumped.
SPEAKER_05 (24:37):
I didn't work at home in my tattered clothes, my
clean up.
SPEAKER_06 (24:43):
I just wanted I had a Sunday fixation to go get
breakfast.
So I went to go get breakfast.
And I didn't, I didn't carry iton.
Yeah, I'm like, all right, I'llgo get breakfast.
And so I went to the head of thetable to the you know, to the
man at the table and asked him,like, hey, can I pray for your
family?
So I prayed for their familythere.
And after breakfast was done, Iwent to the car and um God was
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like, hey, go pay for theirmeal.
I was like, man, I only I onlygot 50 bucks in my pocket.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (25:12):
I was like, I tested that greed and selfishness and
ambition.
SPEAKER_06 (25:16):
And so I went and I didn't, I went and I went
straight to the restroom.
Yeah.
And I I was there pleading withGod.
I was like, God, do you reallywant me to do this?
Is this probably gonna be like30 bucks and that 25, 30 bucks?
No, he wanted me to give himpretty much the money in my
pocket.
SPEAKER_05 (25:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (25:31):
So the$50 that was in my pocket.
SPEAKER_05 (25:33):
You got a big family, you'll pay a little bit,
yeah.
There was like six people formy.
SPEAKER_06 (25:37):
You know,$50 can really help.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So I pleaded with God in therestroom, and then after that, I
was like, okay, whatever.
I'll do it.
I went and I went to the head ofthe table, to the man at the
table, the other father.
Yeah.
I was like, hey, you know, Godwanted me to pay for y'all's
breakfast.
So I gave him the I think it wasmaybe I think it was 60 bucks.
I gave him$60.
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Yeah.
Everything that was in mywallet, and I went outside and I
left.
I was like, man, I don't knowwhy God did that.
Yeah.
Maybe this guy saw me as alunatic.
Yeah.
And maybe God wanted to affirmthat this guy is truly from me.
SPEAKER_03 (26:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (26:11):
And in my homeless lookingness, and you know, he
asked me to go pay for thisman's meal.
Yeah.
And then I ended up leaving inthat that same, I believe it was
that same day.
You know, either that was thenext day.
You know, I was on my way to goto my my friend had a Bible
study that day.
Okay.
And I went to go to go join himfor his Bible study.
Most of them were, you know,supposed to be there.
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Yeah.
Ended up, all of them ended upgoing on Zoom except two.
Yeah.
And on my way there, God waslike, hey, I want you to stop at
Bill Miller's, get a familymeal, and bring lunch for the
guys.
I mean, bring dinner for theguys.
My God, I have a hundred bucksin my bank.
SPEAKER_02 (26:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (26:51):
What did I do?
I went to the drive-thru of BillMiller's.
SPEAKER_02 (26:53):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (26:54):
And I was like, okay, I guess this is what you
asked me to do, I'll do it.
I end up getting a$50 meal forthe guys, because you know, if
you know a family meal, it's$50a you know, Bill Miller's with a
gallon of tea.
Yeah, yeah.
And that that day, you know,like we had Bible study, and it
was interesting.
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This is a marked period of my ofmy spiritual walk with God.
After, you know, we were doingBible study, we talked, and then
afterwards, me and him, me andmy friend were talking.
And as we were talking, it's forthe first time in my life where
God started to reveal his wordto me.
That's awesome.
And I started talking onconcepts that were foreign to
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me, but I understood it.
SPEAKER_05 (27:39):
Yeah.
You had it wasn't from reading atext like I would a novel and
reading and understanding thenovel.
It was life, it was rhema word.
And there's a difference betweenthe logos, which is just the
reading in the in the knowledge,and the rhema word when God
speaks and opens up your mind towhat his spirit moves.
That's beautiful.
SPEAKER_06 (27:58):
And that for the first time in my life, I've ever
experienced that.
SPEAKER_04 (28:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (28:02):
And right after that day, like it was mind-blowing to
me.
I I was sitting in the car afterwhen I got to the car, I was
like, what just happened?
SPEAKER_05 (28:11):
Yeah.
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_06 (28:12):
And I called, I called my friend Todd, and I was
and I was told him, I'm like,man, I don't know what's going
on.
Like, I feel like God's really,like, just really like expanding
my knowledge, and I don't knowhow.
SPEAKER_04 (28:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (28:25):
And and in my mind, I'm like, God is replacing
those.
SPEAKER_05 (28:30):
That's awesome, man.
Well, I want to say somethinghere before we transition to the
renewing of the mind, because Ithink it's vital to talk about
if you're going to talk aboutdealing with demons, but he you
were obedient.
And you see, that this is thekey.
If you want God's presence inyour life, you have to be
obedient.
You want to hear more from theSpirit of God, then listen to
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him and obey when he asks you todo something small.
And it'll grow, and it'll grow.
And then the process startshappening where I've listened to
him on the Bill Millers and Ilistened to on the Biscuit Place
and then Maple Street Biscuit,and then it'll get bigger and
bigger and bigger.
But you have a choice.
If you ignore it, it will dieand you will not hear his voice.
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And so that's a great segue intous now talking about renewing of
the mind.
Well, that's a great story andum segue into renewing of the
mind.
Before we do, I want to add afew things.
Okay, I want to add a biblicaluh thing to the four twelve.
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So when you're talking aboutdemonic influences and then what
happens is when you become aChristian, your spirit becomes
alive, okay?
The demons can never uh ifyou're a Christian and you are
your spirit becomes alive inChrist, they can never possess
that.
But you're still beingsanctified and you have this
other side.
The Bible says the word of Godseparates the soul and the
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spirit.
So then the soul side is wherethose demons attach to and they
they work through.
Does that make sense?
Your human aspect.
No.
Why is that important?
Because what has to take placeand you're going into it is uh
is that the word of God has tobecome part of your life.
It judges then also the thoughtsand attitudes of the heart, is
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what the Bible says.
So here's what happens.
Imagine I've grown up and I'vebeen told by the world and by my
experiences and even by demons.
For example, I've seen thepeople be delivered from shame,
okay?
And they've had all this life,this is this demon in their
lives telling them you're nogood.
You're nothing, you're notworthy, no one loves you.
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So they have built this beliefsystem in their soulless mind
side of their human existencethat they are no good.
Does that make sense?
And they can't be redeemed, andno one should care for them and
they can't be loved.
So when you become alive inChrist, gotta start working
through that.
But sometimes there's demonsthere and they have gotten a
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home because they've allowedthem in.
Does that make sense?
And sometimes it's from trauma,sometimes it's because they've
been abused, sometimes becausethey've been abandoned, and they
think everyone's abandoning themand they'll never have it.
So it's a combination ofexperience and even demonic
activity in telling them thesebeliefs, and so you have to have
that being transformed, you haveto have that renewing of the
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mind, is what the Bible says.
So, how do you do that?
When you start reading the wordof God, and then all of a sudden
you read, you know, I am aspecial treasure, I am a uh I am
this, and the Spirit of Godgoes, I'm talking to you, you
are a special possession ofmind.
I bought you at the price, andmy blood was shed for you.
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And you start saying, Wow, Ican't, but my mind's telling me
I'm worthless and I'm nobody,and he's saying, Yuji, that's
not truth.
So you can hear the word, butit's different than when God
reveals the word.
That's what we call the Rhemaword of God.
So when you have the Rhema wordof God, it transforms the mind,
it it brings life, and thespirit says, That word is for
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you.
I didn't just write it for justto write it in there and add it
to your Bible.
I wrote it because I wanted youto hear this, young son or young
daughter.
So that process is a requirementto get the mindset changed and
not live under oppression or theleftover oppression in a sense
that the enemy taught you.
And you started doing that.
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And so help me understand howGod did that in you as we go
forward.
How did He was there versesabout um you obviously were
obedient?
He spoke to you to go give moneyand to go buy food.
Um, but what other ways did youwork on renewing of the mind
from that point forward?
And how did God use that tochange your way of thinking?
So, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (33:10):
Um yeah, I told you that I locked myself, might, you
know, pretty much locked myselfin a room for a month.
And it wasn't until after thatmonth where God, you know,
really started to reveal thatrevelatory knowledge to me, you
know, that ramo, that rain, thatand as, and I'm thinking this
like literally as I'm likereplaying scripture in my head,
and I'm I'm like, you know,thinking about it, and then like
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I said, God started revealing.
Now, after that point, it wascrazy because in a matter of
three months, like I went and Idevoured the whole New
Testament.
Yes.
And not only that, I made noteson everything.
Yes.
In three months, I read all theold, all the New Testament, and
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I had all the notes on it.
Like I never in my life had Iwanted that desire to, and I
thought that month was wassomething, but after that month,
when that happened, it was justa whole new thing.
And it was, you know, what whatchanged after that moment was
just I just dug more in.
Yeah, it gave me more of a anearnest want and desire to just
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have him.
Yes, and to learn more and moreabout him.
unknown (34:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (34:22):
And with that understanding, and when you're
when you're reading and youstart getting these these these
thoughts, and you're like makingthem down, like you don't at
that point, I didn't want tostop.
Like God put a fire in me.
It becomes exciting.
SPEAKER_05 (34:34):
Oh, the word game from dryness to life.
It better than any novel youcould ever have.
I mean, you know God is speakingthrough his word.
SPEAKER_06 (34:43):
It's a beautiful thing.
Yeah, and you know, when all myyears in, you know, walking with
Jesus and people were like, Ican't do without him.
Yeah, I can't do without him.
I'm like, I want that, but Idon't have it.
Yeah, I I want that desire towant him, yeah, but it's not
there.
Yeah, and I would always askGod, like, you know, I want
that, please.
Yeah, and then at that moment,in that period of time, I
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understood what that meant.
Yes.
To want him above everythingelse.
SPEAKER_05 (35:10):
That is awesome, bro.
SPEAKER_06 (35:12):
And so, if after that point, like I said, I, you
know, I started digging in andreally allowing his character to
develop me.
Yeah.
And allowing myself to growcloser and closer to him.
There was one night, and this isduring that three-month period
where I woke up at like three inthe morning.
SPEAKER_02 (35:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (35:32):
And when I woke up at three in the morning, God was
God was like, you know, justthere.
And you know, I started praying,I put on worship music.
Yeah.
Next thing I know what God isgiving visions to me in my head,
yeah.
Saying, like, there's stuff inmy house that needs to be gone.
SPEAKER_02 (35:49):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (35:50):
And I knew because my aunt used to do witchcraft,
she still does, yeah.
But there's a lot of idols inthat home.
SPEAKER_02 (35:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (35:57):
And God was showing me where they all were.
That's good.
And so I started going aroundthe home, grabbing them and
going outside and smashing them.
SPEAKER_04 (36:04):
Nice.
SPEAKER_06 (36:05):
And then I get into my room.
I thought I thought they wereall gone.
SPEAKER_04 (36:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (36:09):
I get to my room and I start praying again.
You know, and as I'm smashingthese idols, I'm going and I'm
praying over all the doorways,speaking in tongues.
I'm like, I don't even know whatI'm doing.
Yeah.
No clue, but I just know God,that's what God wanted me to do.
SPEAKER_05 (36:23):
Get rid of anything that is not uh.
SPEAKER_06 (36:24):
And I want you to pray over the home in the
process.
Love it.
And and then I get into my roomafter I've just prayed over the
whole house, all the windows,all the door frame, everything.
Yes.
Put, you know, put God all overit.
Yeah.
And I get to my bed and I startpraying again.
God's like, there's stillsomething here.
That's good.
And I could see it in my head.
unknown (36:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (36:44):
And I didn't know where it was.
And there was only one room Ididn't go in, which was my
brother's room.
unknown (36:49):
Okay.
SPEAKER_06 (36:49):
Because he was in there.
SPEAKER_04 (36:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (36:51):
And but God revealed that to me.
He's like, something's in there.
And I knocked on the door, and Imy brother opens the door and I
see an eagle statue on top ofhis dresser.
Yeah.
And my aunt used that fordemonic purposes, for a rich
craft, like to protect the home.
Yeah.
Or the room or whatever.
And I told him, I'm like, I needthat eagle.
And you could see it in thatsecond.
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He's like, no, it's mine.
Yeah.
And you could at that point,never before have I seen this,
but I could see that.
SPEAKER_05 (37:21):
Beyond a I want that, it's my possession, to
there's something behind thisthat's deeper.
SPEAKER_06 (37:26):
It's like you think of like um my precious.
Yeah.
My precious.
But that's what I felt.
That's how it felt to me.
SPEAKER_05 (37:34):
If you're not a uh sci-fi guy, Lord of the Rings,
yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (37:36):
Yes.
Lord of the Rings, when he'swanting to take that ring from
him, he wants it.
But in that same second, you sawa switch flip, and he's like, I
was he's like, okay, yeah, youcan have it.
That's awesome.
And I grabbed it and wentoutside, smashed it on the
ground.
Let's go.
And then I I went into my home,my room, and now first God, you
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know, created that peace withinme.
Yes.
Through that, you know,releasing of that bondage, to
now he's like, I want your hometo have peace.
That's good.
And so, and this is all becauseof obedience.
Yeah.
If it wasn't for me, wanting togrow closer and closer and
closer to him and let himtransform me from within.
Yes, I probably would have neverdone that.
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I would have never beensubmissive to him in a way that
allowed him to use me.
It's good, Mike.
SPEAKER_05 (38:27):
Well, I think what's interesting here, you know what
it reminds me of is um, oh gosh,uh Gideon.
Gideon, when he get God meetshim in the uh in the wine press,
he's hiding uh, because they'rethe Israel and the Jewish people
are being oppressed.
And um the the angel of the Lordcomes to him and says, Stand up,
mighty man of God.
And he's like, Remember, I'm thesmallest of the smallest clan of
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the smallest tribe.
And like I'm no one.
I'm nobody.
And he says, Stand up, mightyman of God.
And and he tells him, Go in yourown strength right now.
And you know what he goes anddoes the first moment?
At night, he goes because he's alittle bit afraid, but he goes
at night and he tears down allthe Astra poles and all the
idols and all those things.
And the next morning he's like,they're like, the people are
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like, Oh my gosh, let's killwhoever did this.
And and and his dad actuallystands up and says, If those
other gods are powerful enough,they'll kill them themselves.
You don't have to worry aboutthat.
So they were like, oh, okay.
But the point is, the firstthing he did was go down, tear
down the enemy's things.
This is part of why we do getrid of those things, because
sometimes you, and this is theother revelation you have.
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We are in a spiritual battle.
We wrestle not against flesh andblood.
There is all kinds of demonicthings going on.
And most people don't even care,don't even think about it, it's
not even on their radar.
And it's no wonder they're inoppression.
It's no wonder their familiesare hurting.
It's no wonder, and we havethese idols in our homes.
We don't even care.
And you don't even know thatyou're opening the door to the
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enemy, and that's why you'rebeing robbed a piece of joy of
life and and and all of that.
And so I say a couple of thingson the renewing of the mind.
First, you read your word andyou have a revelation.
Wait, I gotta get rid of allthese things.
Second, then you actually actupon an obedience.
SPEAKER_06 (40:08):
And on the acting part, if you don't, and I we we
skipped over this because weforgot, but whenever whenever we
first got home, yeah, from mywhenever you came to drop me off
from Alex, you know what thefirst thing I did, I was like,
wait in the truck.
Yep.
I'm gonna go get something.
And what I had over a thousanddollars worth of pot smoking
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tools serving inside of myhouse.
For the first time, normallybefore then, when something like
that would happen, I would givethat stuff to my brother because
he was a pothead.
Yeah, but I didn't want toanymore.
Yeah, I wanted to rid myself andrid it completely and not put it
in someone else's hands.
Yeah.
So I went and I filled up awhole big black trash bag full
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of bombs, pipes, tools, youknow, all the whatever drugs I
had left.
I threw it in there as well.
And it that was a free moment,like that right there was a
pinnacle moment for me.
I wouldn't have done thatnormally.
SPEAKER_05 (41:06):
Emma, I remember um he says, Hey, I need to give you
some stuff.
Amazon production over here.
But she says, I gotta give yousome stuff.
And he comes and gives me a bigold bag of stuff, and he's like,
There's all kinds of drug stuff.
There's a lot of money in there,but I need you to go get rid of
it.
And he gave it to me.
I remember driving.
I drove to like a diamondshamrock, and I was about to put
it.
I I mean, I remember I'm lookingaround thinking, man, I hope
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there's no cops.
They're gonna be like, thisguy's hiding a bunch of gear,
but no, I just threw it in thetrash.
I think I had to take the topoff and lift it in because it
was so full of big chongs, andyou name it.
And you could probably smell thepot coming out of that bag.
So uh yeah, and that's the key.
You were obedient, youunderstood, I don't want
anything else but Jesus in mylife, and because of that, and
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that's also part of adeliverance I want to make sure
is this.
Again, you have to want this.
When you allow, and I I stillwant to keep that in my life.
Well, then don't maybe expect tobe delivered.
So you can be in a place andyou're we're all praying, and
yet nothing's happening.
Well, maybe you want that inyour life and you're not willing
to let go of it.
Maybe there's unforgiveness inyour life you're not willing to
(42:12):
let go of, and it's keeping youin bondage.
There's a lot of times that umwe are not being delivered
because we are not truly wantingJesus more than anything else.
Yeah.
That's awesome, man.
Well, I'm excited.
Um, for you guys that arelistening.
Again, there's no glory in theaspect of demons.
We could care less.
It's about setting people free.
(42:32):
It's about our His people beingin bondage, and it's the call of
the people of God to share thatfreedom.
I want to reiterate what I saidearlier, and that was this
dealing with demons should bethe norm.
It's not, it shouldn't even be abig deal because everyone as a
Christian should be experiencingthat and dealing with it.
As Jesus said, the shines shallfollow those who believe, they
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shall speak in new tongues andcast out demons.
It shouldn't even it should benormative.
Instead, it's considered crazyand weird and kooky.
But read your Bible.
I mean, am I right?
How many demons and stuff waswritten about it everywhere
Jesus went, healed the sick, anddeep people were demons were
being removed.
SPEAKER_06 (43:15):
Peter, Paul, everybody.
A lot of people they they theysee and hear about these people
casting out demons, and some ofthem do it an injustice.
They they they make it seem likeas if they're the authority.
Yeah.
And then you have these people,these these other Christians on
the outside, like this guy'scuckoo bananas.
SPEAKER_04 (43:34):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (43:35):
You know, I don't know what he's doing, but you
know, it doesn't seem right thathe's not giving glory to God.
He's saying as if he talkedthose demons out of them when it
wasn't ever him.
So he's putting uh he'sunintentionally putting a
disdain upon this this thisaspect of Christianity that
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should be a norm.
SPEAKER_05 (43:58):
And you know what?
You that's a great point youmake, Mike.
Um I'm thinking this thestatement a fake dollar does not
devalue the real dollar, okay?
Uh just because there's amillion people trying to make
fakes and use them as real doesnot mean there's not a real
dollar bill.
I'll take that dollar if youdon't want it.
Does that make sense?
Okay.
The point is this just becausethe enemy works and tries to do
(44:20):
things with fake and doesn'tlook real or and and does it out
of flesh does not mean that thisisn't real.
So we can't just run from thingsbecause we saw a bad example.
That doesn't, the Bible is mysource of my faith and my
practice.
Does that make sense?
And it is clear about thesethings.
Um, so the falsehood doesn't.
And then, and the other thingyou mentioned, I thought of Jude
(44:40):
when you said that.
Remember, they it says they theythey talk like brutish beasts or
something like that against thethe angelic things, like uh they
don't even realize basicallythey're they're tiny little
things.
Uh, and then he goes in andsays, even when Moses fought for
the life, or when um what wasit, my Michael the Art Angel,
Archangel, fought for Moses, um,he said, May the Lord rebuke
(45:04):
you.
So men come in and they try touse the name of Jesus and they
do it like they have all theauthority, doesn't mean it's not
true.
We're calling on our God, and itis real, and I've seen it
hundreds of times.
I've seen, and I'll be over theyears talking about more
experiences of these, but I'veseen it, I've worked with
pastors that see it, I work withpeople in the inner city that
(45:25):
have gone through it, work guyslike you.
I can tell you this is real,it's alive today, but if you
think it's not, you'll nevereven deal with it.
And sometimes there's somebodysitting beside you that really
needs freedom in Jesus, andsometimes they need to deal with
these things.
Sometimes it's just their ownflesh and their own character,
and it's not constant demons.
Again, I'm not they're not underevery rock, but there's often it
(45:46):
is, and you need to be willingto deal with it.
unknown (45:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (45:49):
And on that on that, on that same note, like what
what what happened wheneverwhenever they were walking, when
they were walking to with um, Ithink it was with Paul or with
some with uh John and Peter, andthey had that one girl that was
with them, that was you know inthat group, yeah, and she was
(46:10):
saying, you know, saying thingsthat these are the sons of the
living God, or they werepreaching about the sons of the
living God.
Yeah.
And then that that guy that waswith him, I think it was it
Simon or something.
And saw them rebuke it and it goaway.
And so he wanted that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (46:24):
So there's gonna be people in this world world for
the money to have the power theyhad to catch.
SPEAKER_06 (46:29):
There's gonna be people in this world that are
gonna want to capitalize onthat.
Yes.
And with that, on that samenote, that's good, there's gonna
be Christians who are gonna bewalking with God, and they're
gonna see that there issomething that can come from
that fruit, yeah, and they'regonna abuse it.
SPEAKER_05 (46:46):
Well, and I and I'll close with this idea that Mike,
I I feel like in my own walk,I'll be honest, early on in my
Christianity, I really was like,I want to know about this, I
want to know about it.
And but I hadn't experienced alot of it for many, many years.
When that first majordeliverance happened, and when I
talked about when she wasfinally set free, I began to
(47:07):
cry.
I mean, but the Spirit of Godsaid it's about freedom, it's
not about the battle.
And I fully comprehended that Idon't care about these demons, I
don't care about a story, Idon't care about the sign of
wonder aspect, I care thatpeople are set free.
It has changed everything.
And since that day, it's justbeen a constant uptick of seeing
(47:27):
uh demonic activity, dealingwith it, praying against it.
But the heart needs to be right.
That's what you're saying.
It needs to be in alignment withGod.
And you, if you're doing it fora spectacle, if you're doing it
to try to, ooh, I want to be,you are in the wrong place.
SPEAKER_06 (47:42):
And remember, the devil's there.
Oh, he's there, he's gonnapride.
And he's he's gonna he's gonnaform that, he's gonna form that
weapon against you.
Exactly.
And that chink in your armor,that where that vulnerability
is, he'll attack it.
Yeah, and he'll expand on it.
That's right, and he will makeit something that you only think
about.
SPEAKER_05 (47:59):
It can be something good, and he turns it into evil.
Because, but if you're that'swhy we have to stay in his
presence, have to stay in hisword, and we have to stay with
brothers and sisters that arewilling to say, hey man, I'm
wondering if that's actually youor is that the Lord, you know?
Yeah.
Well, let's close in a prayer,Mike.
Uh, why don't you close thisprayer?
But to you guys in the audience,we are so excited you're hearing
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this again.
Jesus, he saves people, he setspeople free.
All of this is because Jesusbought our lives with the blood
of with his blood on the crossof Calvary.
All freedom is in Jesus.
And so I want you all to knowthat.
And so why don't you close thisin a short prayer, Mike?
SPEAKER_06 (48:36):
Dear Lord, dear Father, I just thank you, Father
God, for allowing just to bringbring aspects to the light, Lord
Jesus.
Bring, you know, these thesethings that may be unknown to
some who are walking with you,Father God.
I just ask you, Lord Jesus, Iask you, Father God, to give
those strength to hold thosethoughts captive and to not
(48:56):
allow the enemy to overrun theirminds and their lives.
Bring freedom, Father God, inyour holy righteous son's name,
Jesus Christ, I pray.
Amen.
SPEAKER_05 (49:05):
Amen.
Thanks for joining us.
God bless.
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