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June 27, 2025 65 mins

In this captivating episode of the AI Space Podcast, Sanjay Kalluvilayil of Stonehaas Advisors sits down with Rana Gujral, co-founder and CEO of Behavioral Signals, to explore the profound implications of AI on society, business, and the very nature of reality. Rana challenges us to rethink what we see as reality, describing it as a user interface crafted by evolution to simplify the complex beneath. They delve into the current state of AI, including the long-term potential of quantum supremacy, biological computing, and the pursuit of true sentience—building what Rana calls an "emotional operating system" that could be foundational to achieving Artificial General Intelligence (AGI).


The conversation moves into strategic insights for entrepreneurs and organizations, emphasizing the importance of leveraging existing AI tools for exponential growth, scaling efficiently, and avoiding unnecessary complexity. Rana shares his perspective on building agile, resource-light teams, the future of agent-based AI, and the importance of adopting systems one versus systems two thinking—paralleling human intuition with machine intelligence. He underscores the democratization of AI, highlighting how accessible tools are leveling the playing field and enabling even small startups to compete with giants by focusing on meaningful, repeatable value creation.


Finally, Rana discusses the ethical considerations surrounding AI development, the importance of guardrails, and responsible governance—especially as we approach the era of AGI and potential superintelligence. He encourages continuous learning, staying ahead of rapid innovations, and thinking boldly about the future while maintaining a moral compass. Don’t miss this mind-expanding episode—listen to the full conversation here: https://youtu.be/BLIoqytOKz4


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00:00 The Evolution of AI and Its Impact on Society

02:05 Trends and Strategies in AI for Growth

05:56 Rana Gujral's Journey into AI and Behavioral Signals

09:52 Understanding Human Emotions in AI Applications

13:44 The Future of AGI and Emotional Intelligence

17:41 Vision and Mindset for Long-Term Success

23:31 Questioning Reality: Simulation vs. Existence

31:56 Exploring Free Will and Determinism in AI

35:42 The Business of AI: Scaling and Efficiency

41:14 Cutting-Edge Tools for AI Development

46:47 Systems One vs. Systems Two Thinking in AI

54:45 Democratization of AI: Bridging the Gap

59:33 Ethical AI: Balancing Innovation and Responsibility


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Website: https://stonehaasadvisors.com/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sanjaykalluvilayil/

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Host Bio:

Sanjay Kalluvilayil is a visionary leader with 30+ years of experience with a specialty in Go-to-Market Strategy & Execution. He is the Founder of Stonehaas Advisors, The AI Space Podcast, and working on some stealth AI start-ups.

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