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The Air That I Breathe Podcast
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It's doable, isn't it?
It's doable, and it's not alwayseasy.
And they think it is part oflife.
And all I kept thinking aboutwere the fruits of the Spirit.
And then it was just time to doit.
Just do it.
Get it done.
We all are going to die.
I understand it's 100 percent ofus.
Bust the myths.
Oh my goodness, yes.
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Can we talk a little more aboutthat?
Hello, friends, welcome back toheartbeat of a woman.
This is a multi generationalconversation between a mentor
and a mentee.
I'm Jody Howe and this is myfriend Patti Davis.
We are co hosts and it's justgreat to be back.
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This is episode three.
Three! It's just three littlethings.
Three little things.
Time is flying.
Time is flying.
What, what a blessing it's been.
One day we'll do episode threehundred and thirty three.
Ooh! Oh, market! Okay, market,market.
So I'm just, I'm grateful to behere.
We are getting fall vibesbecause our producer Addison put
up some little fall decor forus.
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I love fall.
He knows my, my heart is, wewant to talk about heartbeat of
a woman, my heartbeat is autumn,my heartbeat is Christmas, my
heartbeat is the seasons.
I just wish it got a littlecolder here in North Carolina.
I'm wearing this, this jeanjacket, but Addison put the
temperature down to 62.
So we're going to be okay.
No more sweating.
I'm telling you.
I was just like, Oh Lord, it isstill warm outside.
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But you know, my little menteeis going through that
interesting season of love work.
We really wish we could beshifting.
See, this is what happens whenyou say you have to be raw on a
podcast.
Yes, but it is true.
It is a reality, and hey, it iswhat it is.
I enjure you.
But God is good through it, andyeah, here's the good news.
It does not give me anxiety, sothat's a good thing.
I'm not suffering throughanxiety.
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But we'll do a whole episode onthat talk.
So what do you want to talkabout today, sweetie?
Well, you know what?
We were going to really kind ofgrasp, you know, what is the,
there's my sweet little bookover there.
Isn't it beautiful?
I'd like everybody to know who'slooking at my book that I
designed the cover myself.
You know, I'm not an artist.
I'm not a graphic designer.
Please don't DM me and say,would you please do my book?
No, I will not.
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It was so stressful.
But when I was putting the booktogether, one of the biggest
concerns I had was the frontdesign because it's the first
impression.
Oh, yeah, it is the firstimpression.
It's the second.
And I had no money to be able toprint, you know, create a book
and call like a graphic designerand be like, Here, here's a
thousand dollars.
What can you do?
So I did it myself on Canva.
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I don't know if I should saythat.
Oh, it's too late.
But it's beautiful.
It is so beautiful, but I wantedit to be just relaxing and and
just sort of not not like acrossgenders.
And so I had guys that I love.
What I'm seeing right now onyour cover is usually when we
think of anxiety, we think ofshackled.
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Yeah.
Paralyzed.
Yeah.
Toxic.
Right.
But I love that she has kind ofbirds floating away.
Doves.
So we're, yeah.
We're being furred.
Yeah.
You're being released.
You're being released.
And I also said, so I alsobrought out air that I breathe
because it was, yes, I got thename of it from Michael W.
Smith who has the song, This isthe Air That I Breathe.
Okay.
It is beautiful.
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But it really became the new airthat I breathe of Jesus.
Okay.
And when I started to get thatinto my brain that I needed to
start breathing an air ofBiblical promise.
So you started to inhale that.
I inhaled that and exhaled hispromises.
I exhaled his teeth like that.
I like that.
And that is where, I mean, mytestimony in the book, I mean, I
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don't need to go through thewhole, oh no nitty gritty of
that.
Get the book and read it,because I truly believe it is
what I needed when I was goingthrough the first few months of
trying to get through theperfect anxiety perfect.
That had came on at a time in mylife where there was no real
reason.
Because anxiety stinks.
It's always an ambush.
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I hear that word.
It's an ambush.
We're ambushed.
We're ambushed.
And it's real and it hurts andit's debilitating.
And I wanted everyone to knowthat as I was going through this
process, as you said in a priorepisode about how the Lord said
during your cancer, you werehaving your pity party.
He said, this is your testimony.
This became my testimony.
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I found Jesus.
Jesus was there.
He was knocking on my door, butI decided to open the door.
And embrace who he was throughthis struggle, because peace is
not the absence of problems,it's the presence of God.
And that became.
And I love your tenaciousspirit.
She just opened the door andsaid, like, God, are you here?
Yeah.
I'm in this room of anxiety.
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Are you here?
And that's not beingdisrespectful.
She didn't throw her fist up inhis face.
She just said, I'm here.
Are you real?
And are you here?
And do you see this?
And oh my goodness, it wasbeautiful.
Yes.
And it has been, and it was,it's taken me years, took me six
years to write this book.
I really want to encourage thewomen out there that it takes
time.
Time is of the essence, but it'sGod's timing, not my timing.
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And it's been a growth.
And it's, there was a maturityin that timing.
Oh, sweet.
Yes.
Yes.
There's one thing to bolt outinformation about anxiety while
you're raw, and you're weak, andyou're wounded, and you're
joyless.
Yeah.
But that's not what we'rehearing.
In fact, this is not so much abook as it is a testimony.
It is a testimony.
You know, it's like everythingshe feels, you, I've not felt
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this, but those of you, she'sgot your vocabulary.
And then she's just gonna say,come walk this way.
You know, if you're tired ofsitting in it and want to move
forward, this is awesome.
And I like to, this isn'tclinical, this is real.
Thank you.
There's flesh and bones on this.
Yeah.
And so she makes it very doable.
We want you to get help if itgets heavy, heavy.
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But we want you to have hopebefore you really get into the
landslide.
Is that okay?
It's beautiful to say thatbecause I, I say that in the
beginning of the book.
I'm not a doctor and I don'tclaim to be one in a book or on
a podcast because I do have apodcast that I released a few
years ago that is pretty muchrelevant to the content of this
book.
Good.
But it really and truly, Iwanted you to hear the raw
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authenticity of what I wasexperiencing and what I had to
learn.
Tried and true tips.
I was doing a lot of thingswrong.
That came down to food, Lack ofexercise.
Not understanding the power.
Power.
Oh, I talk about sleep three orfour times in this book.
Good.
Can you tell what is importantto me in my life?
Sleep is very important to me.
It's my finger.
Past time, sleep.
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I do love my sleep and I talkabout how to bed.
I, well, I talk about how to getyour, all your room already.
Aromatherapy.
Here you go.
Keep pajamas, keep the, youknow, temperature down.
I, I mean, these things are justlittle bitty things can make a
huge difference.
Absolutely.
You know, and for a woman offaith, it can be so crippling
because we've been indoctrinatedincorrectly about anxiety.
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You have been beat up.
You're going to love her, butwe've been beat up with do not
be anxious, but it's an emotionGod gave us.
So we just have to learn how tonavigate it.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, the beginning part of thisstory was that I thought if I
ever embrace that I haveanxiety, that's going to show
that I'm lacking in faith andthat I'm, there's something
seriously wrong with me.
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Like, I've got a mental illness,oh my gosh, how am I going to
ever experience life now?
And I'll tell you, this is whytestimonies and conversations
are so critical in this world.
Because sitting with a bunch ofwomen at a time where I was
embracing that I have anxiety,but I wasn't really exposing it,
they were talking about theirown mental struggles.
One was on this medicine, onewas dealing with this, one was
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seeing this therapist.
That reality really validated mysituation.
It made me feel like, oh, you'retelling me I'm not alone in
this?
I'm real.
I'm human.
I'm a mom.
I have young children.
How am I going to, how am Igoing to have a mental illness
and be a mom of young children?
There you go.
They're going to have to, youknow, put me into a, an insane
asylum or something.
Right?
I mean, those are the thoughtsof the enemy that were going
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through my brain and that werenot real.
They were not real.
They weren't of God, but youknow, it just really, I, this
book that I wrote and I put outthere was for people in a way
that I didn't, I couldn't findthis book.
I was looking for my book.
Oh, okay.
The Lord said, write it.
Put it down.
Write it down.
And here's the coolest partabout it, because you know I
love music and I'm a worshipleader.
Yeah.
Oh, I put worship songs inthere.
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So when you're going through thebook and you're just like, okay,
I, I'm still feeling a littleanxious.
You said this to me a few, fewdays ago when we were recording
our first episode when I washaving a meltdown.
Yes.
I'm, I'm owning it friends.
I have meltdowns.
I'm a, I'm a human.
And you said, put on some praisemusic, because I have to drive
about 45 minutes to ourproduction studio.
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Put on some praise.
You can't worship the enemy.
You can't worship anger.
You can't worship fear.
You can't when you're listeningto praise music.
They do not coincide.
So all of a sudden I was in thispraise and just worship of like,
Lord, you brought me to a placeof peace.
I'm going to be able to.
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Do what I can to share thismessage of hope in a hopeless
world.
And it's just really goodbecause the peace that surpasses
understanding is real.
It is cool.
And it is so powerful.
And I want everybody to knowthat it exists.
There you go.
It exists when you're goingthrough divorce.
It exists when you're goingthrough cancer.
It exists when you're goingthrough.
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Uh, tumultuous financial issues.
It exists when you're notwondering, you're wondering what
your purpose is in life.
The peace that surpassesunderstanding exists.
It is in God's word.
It is a promise that is real.
There you go.
And it's so cool.
And we're just going to make itdoable.
That's all we want to do.
We just want to make it doable.
How do you do it?
How do you do it?
Well, I said this to you.
You said, well, what are somethings that I can share with the
audience about how you'redealing with anxiety and what
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you could be potentially doingto make it worse?
Well, if you're drinking fiveenergy drinks.
And you're wondering why you'rehaving a panic attack.
I talk about the, the actualintentionality of what you're
putting in your body.
Don't drink that.
You know, maybe you can't drinkcoffee for a little bit.
I had to give up coffee all, andthat is not, I love my coffee.
I don't have to drink it allday.
I drink it in the morning, butit is a fuel that gets me going.
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I need a little bit of coffeeand a whole lot of Jesus.
But here's the thing.
For a few months while I wasrealizing that anxiety was, It's
a struggle and I was workingthrough it.
God was helping me through that.
I had to stop drinking coffeeand anything caffeinated.
You know, I couldn't go to bedeating heavy drinks or drinking
heavy drinks or alcohol.
I had to give up alcohol for ashort period of time.
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I love my wine once in a while,but for a while I had to give it
up because it makes you feelreally good and it helps.
But then the crash is terrible.
Okay, being the all you kind ofclash between the physical and
the mental it became just asEverything and I had to sort of
own it and deal with it andlearn and grow from it And
that's what I put in the book.
Okay, and I love the way youwrote the book It's 22 day and
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night and night because night isits own animal.
It is its own animal So there'sone thing waking up every day
and being like, all right Well,I have to deal with this Being a
mom, a stay at home mom, or Ihave a career that I'm dealing
with, or I've got so many thingsthat I'm, that are, that is, you
know, impacting my day, and I'manxious.
How am I going to do this?
Well, I'm trying to help youthrough tried and true tips and
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how to handle that.
But then you have to go to bedat night.
The sun goes down.
The sun goes down, and the fearcreeps in, and it is way worse.
And so, during this beginningpart of my journey of healing
through anxiety, I would havepanic attacks at night and they
were scary, and if you've neverhad one, I am so sorry.
I feel your pain.
I have had them.
I know what they feel like.
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If you haven't had them, youdon't know what they feel like.
So Patty, you know, you and Ihave talked about some of the
things that we want to help thelisteners understand.
I'm not going to talk aboutcertain things that I haven't
experienced because I don't knowthem.
That's what's the beauty of usis that we have so many
testimonies between us thatwe'll be able to talk for years.
But you, I've never walkedthrough cancer.
You have.
So you can speak into that.
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And you've done that for me, formy mom, and, and for so many
people.
You have discipled so manypeople through that.
Well, I know what it feels liketo have a panic attack.
It's an awful, awful feeling.
It feels like it's paralyzing,it's debilitating.
And if you're a Christian woman,a woman who has faith and
churches don't allow that,that's like, oh, you lack faith.
So now they really, uh, yeah,it's a double whammy and it's so
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wrong.
You, I mean, I can't begin totell you when I walked through
this time where I was very, verysick.
I couldn't eat, sleep.
I couldn't function, couldn'teat.
I couldn't breathe.
I couldn't sleep.
I couldn't function.
And, um, I got through thisthrough the grace of God and
through my intentionality oflearning who he was and doing
the things that I needed to doto make some really good,
significant and healthy changes.
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Months later, as I was kind ofon the outside of this, sort of,
you know, empowered now.
So many people came into my lifethat had just began the journey
that I just walked through, notjust women, men too.
And I was blown away becausehere's the thing, you can go
through episodes of anxietywhere you just become
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debilitate, debilitated for noreason.
And it may not be a milestoneissue, it may not be a death, it
may not be a divorce, it may notbe anything.
All of a sudden your body justbreaks down.
And I'll never forget talking toa psychiatrist.
Really lovely psychiatrist.
Psychiatrists don't do talktherapy really anymore.
They're really just some of the,like, here's the drugs you need
to be on.
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But I had one that would give mean extra 10 to 15 minutes.
And he said this to me, becausethere's really no rhyme or
reason as to why this ishappening.
He goes, it's chemical, it'ssocietal, and it's happening.
And he actually sat down and hetalked about the drugs and the
medications with me, but he wasreal with me.
He said, don't be hard onyourself.
There's no real reason why thisis happening, except your body
and your chemistry and justthings are happening.
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So let's deal with it.
And it was just empoweringbecause I used to think there
was something really wrong withme.
And then if you're a woman offaith, which means, you know,
you love the Lord and, and youenjoy the scripture, we get beat
up, beat up by ignorantChristians.
There, this, this was about 15years ago, and I am grateful
that the stigma is lower.
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Well, the stigma is lower, butit was, it was pretty high
there, and I remember going intosome churches.
We're kind of taught there mustbe some hidden sin.
Yeah.
It was like, thank you.
That kind of information,really.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
God doesn't expect us just topray things away.
Why would he?
How many scriptures in theBible?
We're just talking about this inthe green room.
We're talking about this.
You said there are 31, 000scriptures in the Bible.
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Yeah.
So if we're just assumed we canjust pray something away without
recognizing there is a lovestory in a book, there is
something that is very criticalthat we need to understand and
study, but we also need to walkwith Jesus.
Oh my goodness.
At the feet of the cross withhim to say, God, I don't know
how I'm going to deal with this,but you're going to show me.
There you go.
You're going to show me.
And he did.
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He showed me.
And now I, I do.
Life isn't perfect.
No, of course it's not.
It's doable.
It's doable.
That's what I want you to know.
I know how to deal with anxietynow.
There you go.
And I'd like to really bring upa little point about my fear of
flying.
Okay, yeah.
Because this is a bit, right?
You know, this was a few yearsago and I was doing some.
I was tracing you through that.
Well, remember that one time Icalled you and I said, I have to
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get up in that plane, and, and Iwas scared to death, Patty.
I mean, it's a True and utterfear.
And I'll never forget.
I went on to the, to thisFacebook site.
It's a fear of flying Facebooksite.
Oh my gosh.
Worst site to ever go on.
I joined it.
5, 000 people.
They're like, please check my,my, uh, flight and tell me when
I'm going to land.
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I'm like, what are we doinghere?
People?
And it's run by a pilot.
Shame on you pilots becauseyou're not helping people.
No, no, no.
It wasn't helping.
It was scaring the Crap out ofme.
Okay, but I remember calling youand I'm like, can you pray for
me?
And you really really helped methrough it was a process of me
traveling for ministry and andlearning that it's not The
flying that was really scaringme.
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It was the perspective of dyingthat was really scaring me.
It was the whole process.
It was from making the flight togoing to the terminal to walking
through the terminal.
I mean, everything under thesun, buckling yourself, buckling
myself in that seat.
It became this just whole thingof mind over matter.
But I have to share thisincredible story because it was
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so incredibly powerful.
This was a course of four yearsof me learning to know that I am
not to fear this form of travel.
I'm just not to, it's not ofGod.
Okay.
Cause he's not the God of fear.
He's not the God of chaos.
He's the Prince of Peace.
So it basically, it went down toa couple of years ago, I was
flying and I went to a woman'sretreat and I was fine.
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I got there, we had our timetogether.
And then as the time came tothat, I knew I had to fly again.
I just went into that place ofpanic and I was like, how am I
going to do this?
And these are the crazy thingsthat would go through my mind.
I want y'all to know the crazy,because I know you've all
endured this as well.
Maybe I could just drive home.
I was in Florida.
So it was like 10 hours.
I can just drive, right?
Why do I fly home?
I'm in North Carolina.
It's like, it'll be easy.
Or maybe I'll just stay a coupleof days and it'll pass.
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I mean, all these crazy thoughtsgo into your other, paralyzing
thoughts.
Well, I, you know, I was goingto the airport with a few of
these women and we just, youknow, did our things and said
our goodbyes and I got on theplane and I was scared and I did
what I needed, needed to do tomedicate, but it still wasn't
helpful.
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And as I was landing in Raleigh,North Carolina, the Lord said to
me, you need to interview apilot.
And I thought, what, what do youmean?
He's like, no, you need tointerview.
Okay.
So I did.
I put a calling out on Facebook.
I need a pilot.
It doesn't have to be a faithbased pilot.
I don't care if it's male orfemale.
I prefer to be a commercialpilot because I don't
necessarily want someone who'slike, you know, yeah, exactly.
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I need, you know, someone whodeals with it.
So someone said my, my, my,Cousin's a pilot and I had a
great conversation with a pilotand it was really great because
I needed to get down to thenitty gritty of flying.
What, all right, tell me aboutthis.
What is turbulence?
What is these noises that I'mhearing?
All of these things.
And we had such a greatconversation, but the truth of
the matter is it helped, but itwasn't the, the actual lightbulb
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moment.
It really wasn't.
Okay.
So, a couple flights later, itwasn't until May of last year,
that was 2023, as I was walkingthrough the shadow of death, the
shadow of death with my divorce.
I was flying from my ministrybecause I was a part of a couple
other ministry projects and allthat.
So, I was flying to Floridaagain.
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And I was, this time I said tomyself, okay, I am so much
closer to the Lord.
I think I can do this withoutmedicating.
And I did.
And it was all good.
You ate cold turkey.
I went cold turkey.
I was close.
I was close.
I was close.
So I flew to Orlando, uh,Florida.
And honestly, five days of thisconference, it was great and I
wasn't feeling anxious and sothe day came where I had to fly
home and just so you know, onthe, on the plane rides, I would
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have these moments where I wouldbe like, okay, Lord, here's the
turbulence.
Can you stop the turbulence?
Can you stop it?
Angels, please surround this,this plane and please stop this
white knuckle flying, whiteknuckle flying, still, still, As
of last year, so I was, youknow, growing with the Lord and
growing in this grief and justI, I'm on the plane and there's
the turbulence again and I'mlike, All right, Lord, can you
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stop this turbulence?
You know what the Lord said tome?
I love when we hear from theLord.
Ladies, we do hear from theLord.
You just got to have your earsopen.
He said, I'm not going to stopturbulence because this is how
planes fly because youinterviewed a pilot a couple of
years ago.
He told you everything about it.
Planes are the safest form oftravel because if you think
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about all of the ways people aredying in this very moment, on
this earth, at this time, we'rerecording this, planes are the
least things.
I mean, if you look at caraccidents, trains, uh, bicycle
rides, just, just walking andbreathing, he says, I'm not
going to stop the turbulence,but what I'm going to do is I'm
going to give you a piece andI'm going to give you the
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ability to endure it.
He goes, and, and it was just,so he stopped the turbulence, he
stopped the turbulence inside ofme.
He goes, I'm going to help youendure it.
And it was so powerful.
And I've flown since then, I'llbe flying this week.
And I tell you it, I'm good.
It's good.
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I'm good.
I'm good.
He goes, I'm going to help youendure it.
He goes, I'm going to give youwhat you need through it.
Because turbulence is a part offlying.
I knew that the pilot, thetruthful, and that had to really
boost your level of trust.
It was really just myperspective was like, I'm not
looking at you, Lord, I'mlooking at the circumstances.
And I needed to look to him andbecause, you know, listen, I
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mean, I've been on planes wherethe turbulence is, is almost to
the point of being unbearable,unbearable, but it is a reality.
I, I know that I need to get upthere to go visit people, to
celebrate, to do ministry, andit's all good.
And so what did I do?
I went out and bought newluggage.
I mean, it's so cute, my cutelittle luggage, and I'm ready to
go anywhere.
So, you know, you know, bring iton.
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And so it's all good.
But it was, that's a greatexample.
It just, I want you to know thatit can happen, but it was just,
it's not overnight.
No, it's not overnight, and thistook me a while.
That was a neat instant, though.
You needed that right there.
That, because it was a, it wasa, just a debilitating and
paralyzing fear.
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Well, I, I enjoy in your bookbecause you say that prayer is
the bridge between panic andpeace.
And that was it.
And praying to God.
And then what I really like isthat you, you're going to help
us in this book.
This is awesome.
It says, anxiety has skyrocketedover the last decade, although
the, the, the stigma haslowered.
It has.
The struggle is still real.
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And Jodi, I love you're going toshare that peace is not the
absence of problem.
It's the presence of God.
So, when you started flying withhim, you made a different
flight.
That was it.
You were flying without him.
And using my wise mind.
I was utilizing the wise mindthat God gives.
The logic kicked in.
The logic kicked in.
This is how planes fly.
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You talk to a pilot, Jodi.
I gave you a professional.
He told you everything you needto know.
Do planes crash?
Yes, they do.
Unfortunately, they do.
But so many other bad thingshappen on Earth.
And we talked about that in acouple episodes ago.
It is a reality.
Death is a reality of life.
But I am not living if I don'tlive in prayer and in communion
with God.
And when that fear creeps in,and it will, And I know it's
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going to probably creep in on myflight this week.
I know who I turn to.
I'm going to turn to the Lord.
And He's going to give me aperfect example of just pushing
back and getting, letting Godhave the last word.
You were letting you have thelast word.
You were letting your emotionsscream at you.
Yeah.
But you found another truth thatyou could seatbelt yourself in
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with.
And it got easier didn't it?
It did.
I love your book.
It's a devotional book everybodyand she's going to teach you how
to apply tried and true tipstoward healing from anxiety.
So this is a little tool kit.
It's not super clinical which iswhat I like.
I know.
It's very life applicable over acup of coffee in the morning.
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And then you help us build adeeper relationship with God.
But I really like that this isgoing to cultivate a life of
endurance.
We have to.
We think it's easy peasy, butthat's a lie.
That's not even biblical.
No, it's not.
I try to endure.
It's called heaven, and we'renot there yet.
I want everyone to endure thestrengthening of their mind.
It's in scripture.
It talks about that.
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Do not conform to the ways ofthe world.
But, um, By transforming yourmind into price like thinking,
but it's also like, I guess theway I could explain it best is
going to the gym or let's sayyou're going to run a marathon.
You want to run a 5k in twomonths.
Well, guess what?
You're not going to, if youhaven't been exercising or
building up that endurance,you're not going to walk out of
the house tomorrow and be ableto, to walk or run a marathon.
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You're going to have to build itup by starting slow and growing
and building up your physicalendurance.
The same goes with your mind.
And this became a physical.
and mental endurance to knowthat it's not what happens to
me.
It's how God is handling it.
And he is saying, I'm going to,I'm going to temper the
turbulence in your mind.
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And I'm going to give you theendurance to get up on those
airplanes, those big, scaryairplanes and enjoy the ride.
And so now I, I, I pack with mybook and I'm like, if there's
someone who's.
In that place of fear that I'veused to be, and I want to hand
in my book and be like, here yougo, you're going to be okay.
It sounds good.
The realism of it, the realism,because you know, we have been
crippled.
I have definitely been crippledby this, this word of faith
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where you snap it and anyonethat wants to push a word of
faith, speak against it.
To me, you're a chicken.
You're not wanting to go throughall the emotions that it takes.
Yeah.
To really build faith.
Yeah.
Faith isn't a tablet.
Faith is just exercising.
You know.
You have to put in the work.
It's okay.
You have to put in the work.
But God gets the last answer andI love that you say that because
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that's my favorite phrase andI'm going to say this right now.
This is the last answer thatwe're going to give our friends
because I think we lost somelight.
That's okay.
We're being raw and organic.
Oh, we're being good.
We're having so much fun and Ican't wait for our next episode.
Absolutely.
And we're just going to keepbringing on the generational
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wisdom.
Absolutely, and we're going tomake it doable, I promise you.
We're going to make it doable.
Yeah.
Um, I just celebrated, whatbirthday did I just celebrate?
68?
Okay, we're talking about age.
I can't believe it, 68?
Yeah, yeah.
So I just want to give youshortcuts, honey.
Okay.
Yeah.
I was under bondage just falseteaching and, and false
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doctrine.
And I just want to give youshortcuts.
So I'm going to share my noteswith you.
Okay.
And then Jodi's going to make itvery applicable.
How does that sound?
It sounds wonderful.
Please keep walking with us.
Heartbeat of a woman.
We're going to look atmotherhood, being a wife, being
a divorcee, being a cancerpatient.
Okay.
I was homeless at one time.
I mean, we're going to talkabout it all.
Empty nesting and yeah, I can'twait.
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Brain injury that I live with.
So if you have any questionsthat you would like for us to,
uh, answer, please put them inthe comments below.
We're going to be on all socialmedia platforms.
So let us know if you have anyquestions and we will do our
best to answer them.
Thank you.
So we'll catch you next time,friends.
It's doable, isn't it?
It's doable, and it's not alwayseasy.
And they think it is part oflife.
And all I kept thinking aboutwere the fruits of the Spirit.
And then it was just time to doit.
Just do it.
Get it done.
We all are going to die.
I understand it's 100 percent ofus.
Bust the myths.
Oh my goodness, yes.
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Can we talk a little more aboutthat?
Hello, friends, welcome back toheartbeat of a woman.
This is a multi generationalconversation between a mentor
and a mentee.
I'm Jody Howe and this is myfriend Patti Davis.
We are co hosts and it's justgreat to be back.
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This is episode three.
Three! It's just three littlethings.
Three little things.
Time is flying.
Time is flying.
What, what a blessing it's been.
One day we'll do episode threehundred and thirty three.
Ooh! Oh, market! Okay, market,market.
So I'm just, I'm grateful to behere.
We are getting fall vibesbecause our producer Addison put
up some little fall decor forus.
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I love fall.
He knows my, my heart is, wewant to talk about heartbeat of
a woman, my heartbeat is autumn,my heartbeat is Christmas, my
heartbeat is the seasons.
I just wish it got a littlecolder here in North Carolina.
I'm wearing this, this jeanjacket, but Addison put the
temperature down to 62.
So we're going to be okay.
No more sweating.
I'm telling you.
I was just like, Oh Lord, it isstill warm outside.
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But you know, my little menteeis going through that
interesting season of love work.
We really wish we could beshifting.
See, this is what happens whenyou say you have to be raw on a
podcast.
Yes, but it is true.
It is a reality, and hey, it iswhat it is.
I enjure you.
But God is good through it, andyeah, here's the good news.
It does not give me anxiety, sothat's a good thing.
I'm not suffering throughanxiety.
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But we'll do a whole episode onthat talk.
So what do you want to talkabout today, sweetie?
Well, you know what?
We were going to really kind ofgrasp, you know, what is the,
there's my sweet little bookover there.
Isn't it beautiful?
I'd like everybody to know who'slooking at my book that I
designed the cover myself.
You know, I'm not an artist.
I'm not a graphic designer.
Please don't DM me and say,would you please do my book?
No, I will not.
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It was so stressful.
But when I was putting the booktogether, one of the biggest
concerns I had was the frontdesign because it's the first
impression.
Oh, yeah, it is the firstimpression.
It's the second.
And I had no money to be able toprint, you know, create a book
and call like a graphic designerand be like, Here, here's a
thousand dollars.
What can you do?
So I did it myself on Canva.
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I don't know if I should saythat.
Oh, it's too late.
But it's beautiful.
It is so beautiful, but I wantedit to be just relaxing and and
just sort of not not like acrossgenders.
And so I had guys that I love.
What I'm seeing right now onyour cover is usually when we
think of anxiety, we think ofshackled.
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Yeah.
Paralyzed.
Yeah.
Toxic.
Right.
But I love that she has kind ofbirds floating away.
Doves.
So we're, yeah.
We're being furred.
Yeah.
You're being released.
You're being released.
And I also said, so I alsobrought out air that I breathe
because it was, yes, I got thename of it from Michael W.
Smith who has the song, This isthe Air That I Breathe.
Okay.
It is beautiful.
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But it really became the new airthat I breathe of Jesus.
Okay.
And when I started to get thatinto my brain that I needed to
start breathing an air ofBiblical promise.
So you started to inhale that.
I inhaled that and exhaled hispromises.
I exhaled his teeth like that.
I like that.
And that is where, I mean, mytestimony in the book, I mean, I
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don't need to go through thewhole, oh no nitty gritty of
that.
Get the book and read it,because I truly believe it is
what I needed when I was goingthrough the first few months of
trying to get through theperfect anxiety perfect.
That had came on at a time in mylife where there was no real
reason.
Because anxiety stinks.
It's always an ambush.
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I hear that word.
It's an ambush.
We're ambushed.
We're ambushed.
And it's real and it hurts andit's debilitating.
And I wanted everyone to knowthat as I was going through this
process, as you said in a priorepisode about how the Lord said
during your cancer, you werehaving your pity party.
He said, this is your testimony.
This became my testimony.
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I found Jesus.
Jesus was there.
He was knocking on my door, butI decided to open the door.
And embrace who he was throughthis struggle, because peace is
not the absence of problems,it's the presence of God.
And that became.
And I love your tenaciousspirit.
She just opened the door andsaid, like, God, are you here?
Yeah.
I'm in this room of anxiety.
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Are you here?
And that's not beingdisrespectful.
She didn't throw her fist up inhis face.
She just said, I'm here.
Are you real?
And are you here?
And do you see this?
And oh my goodness, it wasbeautiful.
Yes.
And it has been, and it was,it's taken me years, took me six
years to write this book.
I really want to encourage thewomen out there that it takes
time.
Time is of the essence, but it'sGod's timing, not my timing.
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And it's been a growth.
And it's, there was a maturityin that timing.
Oh, sweet.
Yes.
Yes.
There's one thing to bolt outinformation about anxiety while
you're raw, and you're weak, andyou're wounded, and you're
joyless.
Yeah.
But that's not what we'rehearing.
In fact, this is not so much abook as it is a testimony.
It is a testimony.
You know, it's like everythingshe feels, you, I've not felt
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this, but those of you, she'sgot your vocabulary.
And then she's just gonna say,come walk this way.
You know, if you're tired ofsitting in it and want to move
forward, this is awesome.
And I like to, this isn'tclinical, this is real.
Thank you.
There's flesh and bones on this.
Yeah.
And so she makes it very doable.
We want you to get help if itgets heavy, heavy.
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But we want you to have hopebefore you really get into the
landslide.
Is that okay?
It's beautiful to say thatbecause I, I say that in the
beginning of the book.
I'm not a doctor and I don'tclaim to be one in a book or on
a podcast because I do have apodcast that I released a few
years ago that is pretty muchrelevant to the content of this
book.
Good.
But it really and truly, Iwanted you to hear the raw
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authenticity of what I wasexperiencing and what I had to
learn.
Tried and true tips.
I was doing a lot of thingswrong.
That came down to food, Lack ofexercise.
Not understanding the power.
Power.
Oh, I talk about sleep three orfour times in this book.
Good.
Can you tell what is importantto me in my life?
Sleep is very important to me.
It's my finger.
Past time, sleep.
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I do love my sleep and I talkabout how to bed.
I, well, I talk about how to getyour, all your room already.
Aromatherapy.
Here you go.
Keep pajamas, keep the, youknow, temperature down.
I, I mean, these things are justlittle bitty things can make a
huge difference.
Absolutely.
You know, and for a woman offaith, it can be so crippling
because we've been indoctrinatedincorrectly about anxiety.
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You have been beat up.
You're going to love her, butwe've been beat up with do not
be anxious, but it's an emotionGod gave us.
So we just have to learn how tonavigate it.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, the beginning part of thisstory was that I thought if I
ever embrace that I haveanxiety, that's going to show
that I'm lacking in faith andthat I'm, there's something
seriously wrong with me.
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Like, I've got a mental illness,oh my gosh, how am I going to
ever experience life now?
And I'll tell you, this is whytestimonies and conversations
are so critical in this world.
Because sitting with a bunch ofwomen at a time where I was
embracing that I have anxiety,but I wasn't really exposing it,
they were talking about theirown mental struggles.
One was on this medicine, onewas dealing with this, one was
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seeing this therapist.
That reality really validated mysituation.
It made me feel like, oh, you'retelling me I'm not alone in
this?
I'm real.
I'm human.
I'm a mom.
I have young children.
How am I going to, how am Igoing to have a mental illness
and be a mom of young children?
There you go.
They're going to have to, youknow, put me into a, an insane
asylum or something.
Right?
I mean, those are the thoughtsof the enemy that were going
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through my brain and that werenot real.
They were not real.
They weren't of God, but youknow, it just really, I, this
book that I wrote and I put outthere was for people in a way
that I didn't, I couldn't findthis book.
I was looking for my book.
Oh, okay.
The Lord said, write it.
Put it down.
Write it down.
And here's the coolest partabout it, because you know I
love music and I'm a worshipleader.
Yeah.
Oh, I put worship songs inthere.
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So when you're going through thebook and you're just like, okay,
I, I'm still feeling a littleanxious.
You said this to me a few, fewdays ago when we were recording
our first episode when I washaving a meltdown.
Yes.
I'm, I'm owning it friends.
I have meltdowns.
I'm a, I'm a human.
And you said, put on some praisemusic, because I have to drive
about 45 minutes to ourproduction studio.
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Put on some praise.
You can't worship the enemy.
You can't worship anger.
You can't worship fear.
You can't when you're listeningto praise music.
They do not coincide.
So all of a sudden I was in thispraise and just worship of like,
Lord, you brought me to a placeof peace.
I'm going to be able to.
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Do what I can to share thismessage of hope in a hopeless
world.
And it's just really goodbecause the peace that surpasses
understanding is real.
It is cool.
And it is so powerful.
And I want everybody to knowthat it exists.
There you go.
It exists when you're goingthrough divorce.
It exists when you're goingthrough cancer.
It exists when you're goingthrough.
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Uh, tumultuous financial issues.
It exists when you're notwondering, you're wondering what
your purpose is in life.
The peace that surpassesunderstanding exists.
It is in God's word.
It is a promise that is real.
There you go.
And it's so cool.
And we're just going to make itdoable.
That's all we want to do.
We just want to make it doable.
How do you do it?
How do you do it?
Well, I said this to you.
You said, well, what are somethings that I can share with the
audience about how you'redealing with anxiety and what
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you could be potentially doingto make it worse?
Well, if you're drinking fiveenergy drinks.
And you're wondering why you'rehaving a panic attack.
I talk about the, the actualintentionality of what you're
putting in your body.
Don't drink that.
You know, maybe you can't drinkcoffee for a little bit.
I had to give up coffee all, andthat is not, I love my coffee.
I don't have to drink it allday.
I drink it in the morning, butit is a fuel that gets me going.
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I need a little bit of coffeeand a whole lot of Jesus.
But here's the thing.
For a few months while I wasrealizing that anxiety was, It's
a struggle and I was workingthrough it.
God was helping me through that.
I had to stop drinking coffeeand anything caffeinated.
You know, I couldn't go to bedeating heavy drinks or drinking
heavy drinks or alcohol.
I had to give up alcohol for ashort period of time.
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I love my wine once in a while,but for a while I had to give it
up because it makes you feelreally good and it helps.
But then the crash is terrible.
Okay, being the all you kind ofclash between the physical and
the mental it became just asEverything and I had to sort of
own it and deal with it andlearn and grow from it And
that's what I put in the book.
Okay, and I love the way youwrote the book It's 22 day and
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night and night because night isits own animal.
It is its own animal So there'sone thing waking up every day
and being like, all right Well,I have to deal with this Being a
mom, a stay at home mom, or Ihave a career that I'm dealing
with, or I've got so many thingsthat I'm, that are, that is, you
know, impacting my day, and I'manxious.
How am I going to do this?
Well, I'm trying to help youthrough tried and true tips and
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how to handle that.
But then you have to go to bedat night.
The sun goes down.
The sun goes down, and the fearcreeps in, and it is way worse.
And so, during this beginningpart of my journey of healing
through anxiety, I would havepanic attacks at night and they
were scary, and if you've neverhad one, I am so sorry.
I feel your pain.
I have had them.
I know what they feel like.
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If you haven't had them, youdon't know what they feel like.
So Patty, you know, you and Ihave talked about some of the
things that we want to help thelisteners understand.
I'm not going to talk aboutcertain things that I haven't
experienced because I don't knowthem.
That's what's the beauty of usis that we have so many
testimonies between us thatwe'll be able to talk for years.
But you, I've never walkedthrough cancer.
You have.
So you can speak into that.
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And you've done that for me, formy mom, and, and for so many
people.
You have discipled so manypeople through that.
Well, I know what it feels liketo have a panic attack.
It's an awful, awful feeling.
It feels like it's paralyzing,it's debilitating.
And if you're a Christian woman,a woman who has faith and
churches don't allow that,that's like, oh, you lack faith.
So now they really, uh, yeah,it's a double whammy and it's so
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wrong.
You, I mean, I can't begin totell you when I walked through
this time where I was very, verysick.
I couldn't eat, sleep.
I couldn't function, couldn'teat.
I couldn't breathe.
I couldn't sleep.
I couldn't function.
And, um, I got through thisthrough the grace of God and
through my intentionality oflearning who he was and doing
the things that I needed to doto make some really good,
significant and healthy changes.
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Months later, as I was kind ofon the outside of this, sort of,
you know, empowered now.
So many people came into my lifethat had just began the journey
that I just walked through, notjust women, men too.
And I was blown away becausehere's the thing, you can go
through episodes of anxietywhere you just become
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debilitate, debilitated for noreason.
And it may not be a milestoneissue, it may not be a death, it
may not be a divorce, it may notbe anything.
All of a sudden your body justbreaks down.
And I'll never forget talking toa psychiatrist.
Really lovely psychiatrist.
Psychiatrists don't do talktherapy really anymore.
They're really just some of the,like, here's the drugs you need
to be on.
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But I had one that would give mean extra 10 to 15 minutes.
And he said this to me, becausethere's really no rhyme or
reason as to why this ishappening.
He goes, it's chemical, it'ssocietal, and it's happening.
And he actually sat down and hetalked about the drugs and the
medications with me, but he wasreal with me.
He said, don't be hard onyourself.
There's no real reason why thisis happening, except your body
and your chemistry and justthings are happening.
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So let's deal with it.
And it was just empoweringbecause I used to think there
was something really wrong withme.
And then if you're a woman offaith, which means, you know,
you love the Lord and, and youenjoy the scripture, we get beat
up, beat up by ignorantChristians.
There, this, this was about 15years ago, and I am grateful
that the stigma is lower.
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Well, the stigma is lower, butit was, it was pretty high
there, and I remember going intosome churches.
We're kind of taught there mustbe some hidden sin.
Yeah.
It was like, thank you.
That kind of information,really.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
God doesn't expect us just topray things away.
Why would he?
How many scriptures in theBible?
We're just talking about this inthe green room.
We're talking about this.
You said there are 31, 000scriptures in the Bible.
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Yeah.
So if we're just assumed we canjust pray something away without
recognizing there is a lovestory in a book, there is
something that is very criticalthat we need to understand and
study, but we also need to walkwith Jesus.
Oh my goodness.
At the feet of the cross withhim to say, God, I don't know
how I'm going to deal with this,but you're going to show me.
There you go.
You're going to show me.
And he did.
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He showed me.
And now I, I do.
Life isn't perfect.
No, of course it's not.
It's doable.
It's doable.
That's what I want you to know.
I know how to deal with anxietynow.
There you go.
And I'd like to really bring upa little point about my fear of
flying.
Okay, yeah.
Because this is a bit, right?
You know, this was a few yearsago and I was doing some.
I was tracing you through that.
Well, remember that one time Icalled you and I said, I have to
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get up in that plane, and, and Iwas scared to death, Patty.
I mean, it's a True and utterfear.
And I'll never forget.
I went on to the, to thisFacebook site.
It's a fear of flying Facebooksite.
Oh my gosh.
Worst site to ever go on.
I joined it.
5, 000 people.
They're like, please check my,my, uh, flight and tell me when
I'm going to land.
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I'm like, what are we doinghere?
People?
And it's run by a pilot.
Shame on you pilots becauseyou're not helping people.
No, no, no.
It wasn't helping.
It was scaring the Crap out ofme.
Okay, but I remember calling youand I'm like, can you pray for
me?
And you really really helped methrough it was a process of me
traveling for ministry and andlearning that it's not The
flying that was really scaringme.
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It was the perspective of dyingthat was really scaring me.
It was the whole process.
It was from making the flight togoing to the terminal to walking
through the terminal.
I mean, everything under thesun, buckling yourself, buckling
myself in that seat.
It became this just whole thingof mind over matter.
But I have to share thisincredible story because it was
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so incredibly powerful.
This was a course of four yearsof me learning to know that I am
not to fear this form of travel.
I'm just not to, it's not ofGod.
Okay.
Cause he's not the God of fear.
He's not the God of chaos.
He's the Prince of Peace.
So it basically, it went down toa couple of years ago, I was
flying and I went to a woman'sretreat and I was fine.
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I got there, we had our timetogether.
And then as the time came tothat, I knew I had to fly again.
I just went into that place ofpanic and I was like, how am I
going to do this?
And these are the crazy thingsthat would go through my mind.
I want y'all to know the crazy,because I know you've all
endured this as well.
Maybe I could just drive home.
I was in Florida.
So it was like 10 hours.
I can just drive, right?
Why do I fly home?
I'm in North Carolina.
It's like, it'll be easy.
Or maybe I'll just stay a coupleof days and it'll pass.
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I mean, all these crazy thoughtsgo into your other, paralyzing
thoughts.
Well, I, you know, I was goingto the airport with a few of
these women and we just, youknow, did our things and said
our goodbyes and I got on theplane and I was scared and I did
what I needed, needed to do tomedicate, but it still wasn't
helpful.
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And as I was landing in Raleigh,North Carolina, the Lord said to
me, you need to interview apilot.
And I thought, what, what do youmean?
He's like, no, you need tointerview.
Okay.
So I did.
I put a calling out on Facebook.
I need a pilot.
It doesn't have to be a faithbased pilot.
I don't care if it's male orfemale.
I prefer to be a commercialpilot because I don't
necessarily want someone who'slike, you know, yeah, exactly.
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I need, you know, someone whodeals with it.
So someone said my, my, my,Cousin's a pilot and I had a
great conversation with a pilotand it was really great because
I needed to get down to thenitty gritty of flying.
What, all right, tell me aboutthis.
What is turbulence?
What is these noises that I'mhearing?
All of these things.
And we had such a greatconversation, but the truth of
the matter is it helped, but itwasn't the, the actual lightbulb
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moment.
It really wasn't.
Okay.
So, a couple flights later, itwasn't until May of last year,
that was 2023, as I was walkingthrough the shadow of death, the
shadow of death with my divorce.
I was flying from my ministrybecause I was a part of a couple
other ministry projects and allthat.
So, I was flying to Floridaagain.
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And I was, this time I said tomyself, okay, I am so much
closer to the Lord.
I think I can do this withoutmedicating.
And I did.
And it was all good.
You ate cold turkey.
I went cold turkey.
I was close.
I was close.
I was close.
So I flew to Orlando, uh,Florida.
And honestly, five days of thisconference, it was great and I
wasn't feeling anxious and sothe day came where I had to fly
home and just so you know, onthe, on the plane rides, I would
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have these moments where I wouldbe like, okay, Lord, here's the
turbulence.
Can you stop the turbulence?
Can you stop it?
Angels, please surround this,this plane and please stop this
white knuckle flying, whiteknuckle flying, still, still, As
of last year, so I was, youknow, growing with the Lord and
growing in this grief and justI, I'm on the plane and there's
the turbulence again and I'mlike, All right, Lord, can you
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stop this turbulence?
You know what the Lord said tome?
I love when we hear from theLord.
Ladies, we do hear from theLord.
You just got to have your earsopen.
He said, I'm not going to stopturbulence because this is how
planes fly because youinterviewed a pilot a couple of
years ago.
He told you everything about it.
Planes are the safest form oftravel because if you think
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about all of the ways people aredying in this very moment, on
this earth, at this time, we'rerecording this, planes are the
least things.
I mean, if you look at caraccidents, trains, uh, bicycle
rides, just, just walking andbreathing, he says, I'm not
going to stop the turbulence,but what I'm going to do is I'm
going to give you a piece andI'm going to give you the
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ability to endure it.
He goes, and, and it was just,so he stopped the turbulence, he
stopped the turbulence inside ofme.
He goes, I'm going to help youendure it.
And it was so powerful.
And I've flown since then, I'llbe flying this week.
And I tell you it, I'm good.
It's good.
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I'm good.
I'm good.
He goes, I'm going to help youendure it.
He goes, I'm going to give youwhat you need through it.
Because turbulence is a part offlying.
I knew that the pilot, thetruthful, and that had to really
boost your level of trust.
It was really just myperspective was like, I'm not
looking at you, Lord, I'mlooking at the circumstances.
And I needed to look to him andbecause, you know, listen, I
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mean, I've been on planes wherethe turbulence is, is almost to
the point of being unbearable,unbearable, but it is a reality.
I, I know that I need to get upthere to go visit people, to
celebrate, to do ministry, andit's all good.
And so what did I do?
I went out and bought newluggage.
I mean, it's so cute, my cutelittle luggage, and I'm ready to
go anywhere.
So, you know, you know, bring iton.
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And so it's all good.
But it was, that's a greatexample.
It just, I want you to know thatit can happen, but it was just,
it's not overnight.
No, it's not overnight, and thistook me a while.
That was a neat instant, though.
You needed that right there.
That, because it was a, it wasa, just a debilitating and
paralyzing fear.
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Well, I, I enjoy in your bookbecause you say that prayer is
the bridge between panic andpeace.
And that was it.
And praying to God.
And then what I really like isthat you, you're going to help
us in this book.
This is awesome.
It says, anxiety has skyrocketedover the last decade, although
the, the, the stigma haslowered.
It has.
The struggle is still real.
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And Jodi, I love you're going toshare that peace is not the
absence of problem.
It's the presence of God.
So, when you started flying withhim, you made a different
flight.
That was it.
You were flying without him.
And using my wise mind.
I was utilizing the wise mindthat God gives.
The logic kicked in.
The logic kicked in.
This is how planes fly.
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You talk to a pilot, Jodi.
I gave you a professional.
He told you everything you needto know.
Do planes crash?
Yes, they do.
Unfortunately, they do.
But so many other bad thingshappen on Earth.
And we talked about that in acouple episodes ago.
It is a reality.
Death is a reality of life.
But I am not living if I don'tlive in prayer and in communion
with God.
And when that fear creeps in,and it will, And I know it's
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going to probably creep in on myflight this week.
I know who I turn to.
I'm going to turn to the Lord.
And He's going to give me aperfect example of just pushing
back and getting, letting Godhave the last word.
You were letting you have thelast word.
You were letting your emotionsscream at you.
Yeah.
But you found another truth thatyou could seatbelt yourself in
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with.
And it got easier didn't it?
It did.
I love your book.
It's a devotional book everybodyand she's going to teach you how
to apply tried and true tipstoward healing from anxiety.
So this is a little tool kit.
It's not super clinical which iswhat I like.
I know.
It's very life applicable over acup of coffee in the morning.
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And then you help us build adeeper relationship with God.
But I really like that this isgoing to cultivate a life of
endurance.
We have to.
We think it's easy peasy, butthat's a lie.
That's not even biblical.
No, it's not.
I try to endure.
It's called heaven, and we'renot there yet.
I want everyone to endure thestrengthening of their mind.
It's in scripture.
It talks about that.
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Do not conform to the ways ofthe world.
But, um, By transforming yourmind into price like thinking,
but it's also like, I guess theway I could explain it best is
going to the gym or let's sayyou're going to run a marathon.
You want to run a 5k in twomonths.
Well, guess what?
You're not going to, if youhaven't been exercising or
building up that endurance,you're not going to walk out of
the house tomorrow and be ableto, to walk or run a marathon.
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You're going to have to build itup by starting slow and growing
and building up your physicalendurance.
The same goes with your mind.
And this became a physical.
and mental endurance to knowthat it's not what happens to
me.
It's how God is handling it.
And he is saying, I'm going to,I'm going to temper the
turbulence in your mind.
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And I'm going to give you theendurance to get up on those
airplanes, those big, scaryairplanes and enjoy the ride.
And so now I, I, I pack with mybook and I'm like, if there's
someone who's.
In that place of fear that I'veused to be, and I want to hand
in my book and be like, here yougo, you're going to be okay.
It sounds good.
The realism of it, the realism,because you know, we have been
crippled.
I have definitely been crippledby this, this word of faith
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where you snap it and anyonethat wants to push a word of
faith, speak against it.
To me, you're a chicken.
You're not wanting to go throughall the emotions that it takes.
Yeah.
To really build faith.
Yeah.
Faith isn't a tablet.
Faith is just exercising.
You know.
You have to put in the work.
It's okay.
You have to put in the work.
But God gets the last answer andI love that you say that because
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that's my favorite phrase andI'm going to say this right now.
This is the last answer thatwe're going to give our friends
because I think we lost somelight.
That's okay.
We're being raw and organic.
Oh, we're being good.
We're having so much fun and Ican't wait for our next episode.
Absolutely.
And we're just going to keepbringing on the generational
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wisdom.
Absolutely, and we're going tomake it doable, I promise you.
We're going to make it doable.
Yeah.
Um, I just celebrated, whatbirthday did I just celebrate?
68?
Okay, we're talking about age.
I can't believe it, 68?
Yeah, yeah.
So I just want to give youshortcuts, honey.
Okay.
Yeah.
I was under bondage just falseteaching and, and false
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doctrine.
And I just want to give youshortcuts.
So I'm going to share my noteswith you.
Okay.
And then Jodi's going to make itvery applicable.
How does that sound?
It sounds wonderful.
Please keep walking with us.
Heartbeat of a woman.
We're going to look atmotherhood, being a wife, being
a divorcee, being a cancerpatient.
Okay.
I was homeless at one time.
I mean, we're going to talkabout it all.
Empty nesting and yeah, I can'twait.
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Brain injury that I live with.
So if you have any questionsthat you would like for us to,
uh, answer, please put them inthe comments below.
We're going to be on all socialmedia platforms.
So let us know if you have anyquestions and we will do our
best to answer them.
Thank you.
So we'll catch you next time,friends.
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