April 26, 2025 • 36 mins
The discourse presented in this podcast episode centers around the critical examination of the 14th Amendment, particularly in light of recent attempts by former President Donald Trump to redefine American citizenship. As we delve into the historical context and ramifications of such efforts, we underscore the amendment's significance as a cornerstone of civil rights, which guarantees citizenship to all individuals born within the United States. The discussion elaborates on Trump's controversial executive actions aimed at altering the interpretation of birthright citizenship, igniting legal disputes and political discourse that challenge the foundational principles of equality and justice inherent in American identity. Through this analysis, we confront the potential consequences of undermining the 14th Amendment, which could precipitate a broader erosion of civil liberties and the very fabric of American society. As we navigate these complex themes, it becomes imperative for citizens to remain informed and engaged in the ongoing debates that will indelibly shape the future of our nation.
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So gonna do a bit of abreakdown on the 14th Amendment here
because there is a SupremeCourt case that is going to be heard
on May 15th.
So I want to talk about the14th amendment and Donald Trump's
attack on Birthrightcitizenship and just sort of go in
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depth on that here in just afew minutes.
Going to do that.
But first, it's time again tocheck in with Sarah Jane Byers for
common sense.
She has decades of experiencein the classroom, ministry, and life
in South Carolina.
Sarah Jane has seen and doneit all, from raising a family to
shaping minds.
She's got a perspective thatonly comes from living through it.
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So let's hear what pearls ofwisdom she's got for us today.
President Teddy Roosevelt andwas an avid outdoorsman, traveled
the US Far and wide.
He discovered that our countryhad a number of unique natural features
and significant historicalsites that warranted preservation
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during his tenure.
The Antiquities act was passedin 1906, setting aside such places
under federal jurisdiction and conservation.
As more and more locationswere identified, the National Park
Service was established in 1914.
Currently, the National ParkService operates 433 sites throughout
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our country, providingrecreation, education, conservation
and tourism, drawing 331million visitors in the past year,
14 million from foreign countries.
However, the federalgovernment has been less than enthusiastic
about their financialinvestment, which remains minimal
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and now decreasing even more.
In 1999, their budget was $2.2 billion.
24 years later, it is a merely2.5 billion.
Despite ever increasingnumbers of visitors annually, staff
decreased 15% from 2011 to2022, causing more facilities to
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close.
And more losses furtherthreaten even less access.
The Trump administration isaggressively opposed to preservation
of natural resources,motivated only by profit made via
businesses.
National parks have proven tobe a grand investment, converting
their $2.5 billion budget into$55 billion of profit in 2024.
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But that just doesn't satisfy.
He has plans for leasingpublic land to oil companies, who
already get $20 billion insubsidies from taxpayers yearly and
timber harvesting groups.
Also, mining operations want apiece of the pie as well.
Selling off millions of acresof land is a very real possibility,
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too.
National lands conduct theirwork using an incredibly small number
of employees, about 20,000workers for 433 sites and 85 million
acres of land.
That's only an average of 46staff per site.
If they were distributed equally.
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Volunteers are crucial totheir operations.
Their Contributions are Theylead or support education and public
facing programs.
They maintain or rebuildtrails and historic buildings.
They conduct research ormonitor wildlife to preserve our
natural resources.
They help families makememories happen as a campground host.
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They teach others about thepark and swear in new junior rangers
in the visitor center Supportlibraries, archives and museums in
parks to preserve our culturalresources Produce art while staying
in a park as an artist inresidence Educate trained travelers
on the natural and culturalheritage of a region through the
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Trails and Rails program.
The sorely underfunded andunderstaffed parks are hit even harder
by the Trump administration.
Since February 14, 2025, 1,000staff were fired with a demand to
cut 5% of all staff.
Leases for 34 buildings werecanceled, including the science headquarters
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in Colorado with 100 employees there.
All these changes and shiftsin priorities severely impact our
natural resources, addingmassive pollution of air, water and
land, destroying wildlifehabitat, including the possible loss
of endangered species and adefinite deprivation of recreation
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and education for Americanpeople and visitors from other countries.
Conscientious parents andadults who value more than just money
benefit greatly from these parks.
Many spend their entirevacation time exposing their children
or educating themselves toplaces such as the Grand Canyon,
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the rocky shores of Arcadia,watching the herds of bison and geysers
in Yellowstone, the majesticpeak of Half Dome in Yosemite, the
desert beauty of Death Valley,the massive trees in Sequoia, the
glaciers and glacier, thealligators and birds in the Everglades,
just to mention a few exposureto the actual sites of history in
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Boston, Appomattox Courthouse,Andersonville, Chaco Culture in New
Mexico, Cumberland Gap andmany others.
So they don't only read aboutthem, they can actually envision
the event, viewing artifactsassociated with their experience.
Many parks provide campsites,cabins and lodges, allowing us to
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live in a more primitivefashion for a short while, learning
that the end and be all arenot on screens of computers, phones
and televisions.
Activities like hiking,fishing, bird watching, swimming
in lakes, cooking on a fire,kayaking, canoeing, whitewater rafting
and many more demonstrate theexcitement and fun nature provides.
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Children are taught anappreciation for nature, how to care
for it and what it providesfor all of us.
They witness diversity inreality among plants, animals and
people from all corners of theworld that urban or suburban life
cannot provide.
Studies have proven thatspending time in natural areas reduces
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anxiety and tension, wardingoff depression, children and adults
a desperate need in our society.
While business profit seems tobe the sole driving force for the
Trump administration, somethings exceed anything money can
buy.
Those experiences and thepleasure knowledge and community
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we gain from national parkscannot be duplicated with any form
of business.
It is imperative that weactively do what we can to keep these
treasures operating andpreserved for our welfare and that
of our progeny.
Thanks again to Sarah JaneByers for our Common Sense Update.
That's a diatribe that we dohere exclusively on the All About
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Nothing podcast.
Really appreciate Sarah Janefor letting us air her opinions on
the podcast.
I think it brings a wealth ofinformation to the show and I really
appreciate Sarah Jane for that.
She is a Columbia, SouthCarolina native lifelong.
She's got a bachelor's andmaster's degree in health education
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and biology.
She also has a lay ministrydegree from the University of South
Theological Seminary.
She has a doctorate ineducation leadership as well as she
has 44 years of experienceteaching public high school.
So just an extreme wealth ofexperience that is invaluable, especially
when it comes to our podcast.
Really appreciate her comingon and doing these things with us.
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So one of the things that Italked about before Sarah Jane came
on is that I wanted to do anepisode about the unraveling or the
attempted unraveling of the14th Amendment.
And this is basically DonaldTrump's quest to redefine American
citizenship.
Well, Donald Trump and thepeople that he surrounds himself
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with.
So in recent months, PresidentDonald Trump has reignited a contentious
debate by attempting tochallenge the 14th Amendment of the
Constitution.
So, as you probably know, thisamendment is a cornerstone of American
civil rights and guaranteescitizens to all individuals, or,
I'm sorry, it guaranteescitizenship to all individuals born
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in the United States.
Trump's efforts to redefinethis principle have sparked legal
battles, political discourse,and concerns about what the future
of American citizenship isgoing to be.
So why is President Trumptargeting the 14th amendment?
What are the historicalunderpinnings of this constitutional
provision, and what could bethe ramifications of altering its
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interpretation?
Let's explore these questionsin depth.
So to understand the currentcontroversy, we have to revisit the
origins of the 14th Amendment.
Ratified in 1868 in theaftermath of the Civil War, the amendment
was redesigned.
Not really.
The Amendment was designed toaddress the status of formerly enslaved
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individuals and to establishclear definition of American citizenship.
The citizenship clause of the14th Amendment states that all persons
born or naturalized in theUnited States are subject to the
jurisdiction thereof, arecitizens of the United States and
of the state wherein they reside.
So this clause was a directresponse to the infamous Dred Scott
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vs Sanford case decision in1857, which held that African Americans
could not be citizens.
But by enshrining birthrightcitizenship in the Constitution,
the 14th Amendment aimed toensure that all individuals born
on U.S.
soil, regardless of race orparentage, were granted full citizenship
rights.
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This principle, known as justsolely or the right of the soil,
has been a fundamental aspectof American identity for over 150
years.
So the 14th amendment hasplayed a pivotal role in numerous
landmark Supreme Court casesthat have shaped American society.
In the United States versusWong Kim Ark in 1898, the court affirmed
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that children born in theUnited States to foreign parents
are indeed US Citizens,reinforcing the doctrine of birthright
citizenship beyondcitizenship, the equal Protection
and Due Process clause of the14th Amendment.
Those clauses of the 14thAmendment had been instrumental in
cases such as Brown versus theBoard of Education in 1954, which
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ended racial segregation inpublic schools, and Obergefell and
Hodges in 2015, whichlegalized same sex marriage national
nationwide.
So these decisions underscorethe amendment's broad impact on civil
rights and liberties, makingany attempts to alter its interpretation
a matter of significant consequence.
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President Trump's challengesto the 14th Amendment are not new.
During his first term, hefloated the idea of ending birthright
citizenship through executiveaction, a proposal that faced widespread
criticism and legal skepticismupon entering the office in 2025.
Trump wasted zero time inadvancing this agenda.
On January 20, 2025, he signedan executive order 14160 titled Protecting
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the Meaning and Value ofAmerican Citizenship.
The order sought toreinterpret citizenship clause by
denying automatic citizenshipto children born in the United States
to parents who wereundocumented immigrants or on temporary
visa status.
Specifically, the orderstipulated that children born after
February 19, 2025, to mothersunlawfully present in the United
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States or to mothers intemporary legal status, such as student
or tourist visas, would not begranted U.S.
citizenship if the father wasneither a U.S.
citizen nor a lawful permanent res.
The administration justifiedthis move by arguing that such individuals
are not subject to thejurisdiction of the United States,
a phrase from the 14th Amendment.
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However, this interpretationruns counter to long standing legal
precedent, particularly theWong Kim Ark decision.
The Executive Order facedimmediate legal challenges.
Multiple lawsuits were filedby states and civil rights organizations,
leading to a federal judge'sissuing of a preliminary injunction
blocking its interpretation or implementation.
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Sorry.
Judge John C.
Kaufner of the WesternDistrict of Washington described
the order as blatantly unconstitutional.
But despite these efforts,Donald Trump's administration has
appealed the rulings, and theSupreme Court is scheduled to hear
the argument or the argumentson the matter on May 15, 2025.
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So Trump's push to redefinebirthright citizenship aligns with
his broader political strategyof appealing to national nationalist
sentiments and concern over immigration.
By challenging the 14thamendment, he taps into a segment
of the electorate that viewscurrent immigration policies to be
too lenient and believes thatbirthright citizenship incentives
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incentivizes illegal immigration.
This approach also serves todivert attention from other pressing
issues and galvanizes hispolitical base by portraying himself
as a defender of the Americansovereignty and values.
Critics argue that suchtactics sow division and undermine
the inclusive principles uponwhich the nation was founded.
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Altering the interpretation ofthe 14th Amendment could have far
reaching implications.
If birthright citizenship isdenied to certain groups, it could
result in significantpopulation of stateless individuals
born in the United States wholack the citizenship, leaving them
without legal protections oraccess to essential services.
Such a shift would not onlycontravene establish legal precedent,
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but also challenge thenation's commitment to equal rights
and due process.
It could open the door tofurther erosion of civil liberties
and set a precedent forredefining other constitutional protections.
So the 14th Amendment standsas a testament to the American dedication
to equality and justice.
Efforts to undermine thisprovision threaten to unravel the
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progress achieved over thepast century and a half.
As debates continue to legalbattles unfold, it's imperative for
citizens to stay informed and engaged.
The outcome of thesechallenges will shape the nation's
identity and values for generations.
There's not a whole lot thatelse can be said.
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This is mostly an attempt toundermine what is defining people
as citizens in this country.
And for 150 years we'verecognized anyone born or naturalized
in the United States as beinga citizen of this country.
We've recognized that underthe Constitution that due process
is something that is affordedto everyone on soil, regardless of
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their immigration status,citizenship, visas, whatever.
The United Statesfundamentally is a place of equality
and justice for all.
And ultimately, Donald Trumpand his administration are attempting
to undermine what it is to bean American, to be a citizen of this
country, or even just be avisitor to this country.
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It's extraordinarily dangerous.
I have to believe that thepeople that voted for Donald Trump,
while they want illegalimmigration to stop, which it never
will, we will always have somelevel, some percentage of people
in the United States that arehere illegally.
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It's just, it's part of being humans.
Human nature is to migrate.
We come from nomads andultimately in the end, people are
going to move and there willalways be opportunity to go from
one country to another,regardless of how tall you build
the walls or how many soldiersyou put behind them.
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It's always going to be the case.
The United States thrives onthe migrants that come here and help
and are paid for the work thatthey do.
They pay their taxes, they payinto social services that they will
probably never be afforded to them.
This is the United States.
This is the country we live in.
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It's hard to believe that westill have people in this day and
time that are so centered onthis idea of hate against people
that are different from them,on a personal respect, recognizing
that people I know willliterally go into the Walmart and
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will count the number of brownand black people that they see, not
purely out of curiosity, butbecause maybe they've given thought
to potentially calling the ICEhotline, notifying them that they
think that they're the peopleat the Walmart in West Columbia,
South Carolina, that are here illegally.
It's disturbing that someonewould want to go to the effort of
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completely upending someoneelse's life that has made no impact
on yours, purely based on thecolor of their skin or the language
they speak, or language,perhaps the language they don't speak.
It is disturbing.
And for a lot of these peopleto call themselves Christians to
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believe that they're followingin the footsteps of Jesus, it doesn't
make any sense to me.
Not from the readings of theBible that I have read many, many
times.
I was a practicing Catholicfor many years.
I have read through the Biblemany, many times and the actions
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and behavior of people that Iknow that consider themselves to
be Christian.
I am dumbfounded at how youcame to that definition.
I'm just dumbfounded.
Anyhow, that is, that is mytake on what is going on with the
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14th amendment.
So before we close out theshow, I do have a couple of things
that I did want to discuss.
Donald Trump is Now sellingTrump 2028 merch on his website.
So this either confirms thathe is either serious about running
or it confirms that he really,really just want to.
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Wants to troll the Democrats.
And really the nation in Ipsispoll indicated that 80% of voters
do not want him to run for athird term.
That was Republicans,Democrats and independents, 80%.
Currently the president ispolling somewhere in the high 30s
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to low 40s when it comes tohis job or an approval on his job
of how he's doing in respectto the economy.
That's not good.
He's.
He's basically completelyblown away and wasted the entire,
the entirety of his honeymoonphase of him becoming president.
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Again, completely wasted it.
It's gone.
I mean, no president inhistory has seen approval ratings
plummet as quickly as DonaldTrump has.
And you can deny it if you.
If you're one of hissupporters, you can.
You can say that I'm wrong,you can say whatever you'd like.
But in the end, this is the truth.
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Donald Trump is an unpopularpresident less than 100 days into
his presidency.
Constitution, of course, inthe 22nd Amendment does not allow
for a president to run or tobe elected to a third term.
Can he run?
Yeah, he can run for office.
He can run for a third term.
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He can run for fourth or fifth term.
I mean, as long as his bodyholds out.
But he can't be elected.
He can't be sworn in for athird time and be president again.
There are some potential pathsto him becoming the president.
He could potentially beelected as the vice president, and
then whoever that president iscould step aside almost immediately
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and be able to allow DonaldTrump to ascend to the presidency
for another term.
He could be the speaker of theHouse, and both the president and
vice president could stepaside, and then he could potentially
become president by beingsworn in and ascending to the presidency.
There's really nothing thatany of us can do to stop him from
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running for a third term.
The Grim Reaper might maybe,but it really is what it is.
I cannot imagine a scenariowhere Donald Trump, knowing that
he can't be sworn in as thepresident based on an election, would
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really want to become thepresident again like he's an old
man.
He's going to be 82 years old.
Why not just let it go and retire?
But I think I know the answerto that.
And it's his vanity, it is hisdesire to be recognized.
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And that's why he recognizesPutin and Kim Jong Un as being such
strong men, because they neverhave to relinquish their power.
Putin can continue just tokill off everyone that opposes him
in an election or sentencethem to life in prison in, you know,
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northern Siberia.
But we have due process herein the United States.
That sort of prevents DonaldTrump from being able to do that
to people.
And I know that right nowthings are bleak when it comes to
these deportations.
The fact that we are.
We are seeing Americancitizens being deported, we are seeing
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people that have not committedcrimes being deported, people that
have organized protests arebeing deported.
They're being deported.
It's such an odd world that welive in.
And as another distraction,Donald Trump has now in the process,
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and he says at his own cost,that he is going to have Installed
on the White House ground,both on the north and South Lawn.
Two beautiful flagpoles, 100ft tall.
Just to give you someperspective on that, the national
monument is 550ft tall, giveor take.
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So they won't be the tallestthings in Washington D.C.
but you'll certainly be ableto see them from almost anywhere.
It's, you know, the WhiteHouse already has a flagpole on.
It stands about 70ft.
Tie on top of the, I meanfrom, from the height, from the height.
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It's about 70ft and it's ontop of the White House and it has
a very large American flag.
Is there some fear in my mindthat potentially Donald Trump wants
flagpoles on the north andsouth lawn of the White House so
that he has access to them?
He does do a lot crazy, wickedstuff with his hands and body against
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flags.
It's a weird, it's a weird kink.
Not here to kink shame him,but it is odd.
So just, you know, be aware.
Also this week saw that Dr.
Oz, who by the way, Dr.
Oz, is now the head ofMedicare and Medicaid services.
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A tv.
If a TV personality can bepresident United States, then a TV
personality can definitely bethe head of Medicare and Medicaid
services.
Much to the demise of theactual programs and administrative
state.
Dr.
Oz is now the head of Medicareand Medicaid services.
And as his first act hassomehow, and I don't know if this
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act now requires the act ofCongress, but has somehow increased
by 5 point something percentin payouts to providers.
Now first, that sounds likethat's a great thing because providers
are going to be paid more forthe services that they do.
I am not against that.
I absolutely think that forsome of the services that doctors
provide, whether it's MedicarePart A in hospitals or Medicare Part
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B, some of the services thatare provided, or even demerg Medicare
Part D, which is mostly yourdurable medical equipment.
I'm not against the idea thatproviders should be paid better for
the services that they provide.
Doctors, Absolutely.
Nurses, things like that.
Those services I think areinvaluable and should be recognized
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as such even under the, underthe single payer system that we have
with Medicaid included.
But that's, that's not whatthis 5% plus or minus increase is
going to.
This increase is going to theadministrative costs of Medicare
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and Medicaid and that onlybenefits the insurance companies
that are currently undercontract as the administrators for
Medicare and Medicaid services.
I worked for a company here inSouth Carolina for 15 years.
That was the administrator forMedicare and Medicaid here in South
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Carolina as well as then itdid expand into a couple other states,
South Carolina, NorthCarolina, Tennessee.
So the administrative costs,the administrators are going to be
paid an additional 5%.
These people, these, thesecompanies are already making billions
on the administrative cost.
Now, that includes phoneservices for providers and patients
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or, you know, Medicare patients.
So, but the actual cost ofadministrating these has not gone
up.
Technology has gotten better.
So the actual administrativecost, which has been recognized throughout
the last 10 years, as far asMedicare is concerned, the administrative
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cost of Medicare has gone downthanks to technology, computer systems,
the availability of networksto move information back and forth
particular to patients.
The administrative cost hasgone down, but we're going to have
an increase of 5% to theadministrators that handle those
Medicare contracts, thoseMedicaid contracts, 5% increase.
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The insurance companies arethe ones that are the administrators
of Medicare and Medicaid andthey do it at what is usually the
lowest bid.
So where Elon Musk and Dogeand his Doge warriors are supposed
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to be fighting to preventfraud and manipulation of the system
to save taxpayers monies,we've seen now an increase in the
amount of money cost totransport Donald Trump back and forth
from his White House to hisFlorida house and other other clubs
every weekend so that he canplay golf.
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The cost of that goes upbecause it can.
Donald Trump owns thoseresorts and he gets to charge for
all that have to be in hispresence when he is on weekend vacations.
I guess we're about to hit thehundredth day and, and by the time
this episode airs, we, we, wewill, I think May 30th, April 31st.
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April.
That's funny.
April 30th is, is his 100th day.
And in that 100 days he willhave taken pretty much close to a
quarter or a third of his timein office will have been spent on
his own, on his own golfresorts playing golf.
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That's what our president hasbeen doing.
That's what he wants to do.
Why doesn't he just retire?
Anyway, that is going to wrapit up for this episode of the All
About Nothing podcast.
Thank you very much for watching.
Thank you very much for listening.
Really appreciate it.
That is episode number 252.
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Thank you.
Also real quick, want to thankAlex Avinger of Ever Play Sports
and Social for having Bill andAmie I and I out to the kickball
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That was a lot of fun.
We are going to do that again.
Actually we're going to dothat every season.
We're going to do one kickballgame every season where we are going
to do the play by play.
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So gonna do a bit of abreakdown on the 14th Amendment here
because there is a SupremeCourt case that is going to be heard
on May 15th.
So I want to talk about the14th amendment and Donald Trump's
attack on Birthrightcitizenship and just sort of go in
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depth on that here in just afew minutes.
Going to do that.
But first, it's time again tocheck in with Sarah Jane Byers for
common sense.
She has decades of experiencein the classroom, ministry, and life
in South Carolina.
Sarah Jane has seen and doneit all, from raising a family to
shaping minds.
She's got a perspective thatonly comes from living through it.
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So let's hear what pearls ofwisdom she's got for us today.
President Teddy Roosevelt andwas an avid outdoorsman, traveled
the US Far and wide.
He discovered that our countryhad a number of unique natural features
and significant historicalsites that warranted preservation
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during his tenure.
The Antiquities act was passedin 1906, setting aside such places
under federal jurisdiction and conservation.
As more and more locationswere identified, the National Park
Service was established in 1914.
Currently, the National ParkService operates 433 sites throughout
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our country, providingrecreation, education, conservation
and tourism, drawing 331million visitors in the past year,
14 million from foreign countries.
However, the federalgovernment has been less than enthusiastic
about their financialinvestment, which remains minimal
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and now decreasing even more.
In 1999, their budget was $2.2 billion.
24 years later, it is a merely2.5 billion.
Despite ever increasingnumbers of visitors annually, staff
decreased 15% from 2011 to2022, causing more facilities to
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close.
And more losses furtherthreaten even less access.
The Trump administration isaggressively opposed to preservation
of natural resources,motivated only by profit made via
businesses.
National parks have proven tobe a grand investment, converting
their $2.5 billion budget into$55 billion of profit in 2024.
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But that just doesn't satisfy.
He has plans for leasingpublic land to oil companies, who
already get $20 billion insubsidies from taxpayers yearly and
timber harvesting groups.
Also, mining operations want apiece of the pie as well.
Selling off millions of acresof land is a very real possibility,
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too.
National lands conduct theirwork using an incredibly small number
of employees, about 20,000workers for 433 sites and 85 million
acres of land.
That's only an average of 46staff per site.
If they were distributed equally.
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Volunteers are crucial totheir operations.
Their Contributions are Theylead or support education and public
facing programs.
They maintain or rebuildtrails and historic buildings.
They conduct research ormonitor wildlife to preserve our
natural resources.
They help families makememories happen as a campground host.
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They teach others about thepark and swear in new junior rangers
in the visitor center Supportlibraries, archives and museums in
parks to preserve our culturalresources Produce art while staying
in a park as an artist inresidence Educate trained travelers
on the natural and culturalheritage of a region through the
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Trails and Rails program.
The sorely underfunded andunderstaffed parks are hit even harder
by the Trump administration.
Since February 14, 2025, 1,000staff were fired with a demand to
cut 5% of all staff.
Leases for 34 buildings werecanceled, including the science headquarters
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in Colorado with 100 employees there.
All these changes and shiftsin priorities severely impact our
natural resources, addingmassive pollution of air, water and
land, destroying wildlifehabitat, including the possible loss
of endangered species and adefinite deprivation of recreation
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and education for Americanpeople and visitors from other countries.
Conscientious parents andadults who value more than just money
benefit greatly from these parks.
Many spend their entirevacation time exposing their children
or educating themselves toplaces such as the Grand Canyon,
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the rocky shores of Arcadia,watching the herds of bison and geysers
in Yellowstone, the majesticpeak of Half Dome in Yosemite, the
desert beauty of Death Valley,the massive trees in Sequoia, the
glaciers and glacier, thealligators and birds in the Everglades,
just to mention a few exposureto the actual sites of history in
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Boston, Appomattox Courthouse,Andersonville, Chaco Culture in New
Mexico, Cumberland Gap andmany others.
So they don't only read aboutthem, they can actually envision
the event, viewing artifactsassociated with their experience.
Many parks provide campsites,cabins and lodges, allowing us to
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live in a more primitivefashion for a short while, learning
that the end and be all arenot on screens of computers, phones
and televisions.
Activities like hiking,fishing, bird watching, swimming
in lakes, cooking on a fire,kayaking, canoeing, whitewater rafting
and many more demonstrate theexcitement and fun nature provides.
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Children are taught anappreciation for nature, how to care
for it and what it providesfor all of us.
They witness diversity inreality among plants, animals and
people from all corners of theworld that urban or suburban life
cannot provide.
Studies have proven thatspending time in natural areas reduces
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anxiety and tension, wardingoff depression, children and adults
a desperate need in our society.
While business profit seems tobe the sole driving force for the
Trump administration, somethings exceed anything money can
buy.
Those experiences and thepleasure knowledge and community
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we gain from national parkscannot be duplicated with any form
of business.
It is imperative that weactively do what we can to keep these
treasures operating andpreserved for our welfare and that
of our progeny.
Thanks again to Sarah JaneByers for our Common Sense Update.
That's a diatribe that we dohere exclusively on the All About
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Nothing podcast.
Really appreciate Sarah Janefor letting us air her opinions on
the podcast.
I think it brings a wealth ofinformation to the show and I really
appreciate Sarah Jane for that.
She is a Columbia, SouthCarolina native lifelong.
She's got a bachelor's andmaster's degree in health education
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and biology.
She also has a lay ministrydegree from the University of South
Theological Seminary.
She has a doctorate ineducation leadership as well as she
has 44 years of experienceteaching public high school.
So just an extreme wealth ofexperience that is invaluable, especially
when it comes to our podcast.
Really appreciate her comingon and doing these things with us.
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So one of the things that Italked about before Sarah Jane came
on is that I wanted to do anepisode about the unraveling or the
attempted unraveling of the14th Amendment.
And this is basically DonaldTrump's quest to redefine American
citizenship.
Well, Donald Trump and thepeople that he surrounds himself
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with.
So in recent months, PresidentDonald Trump has reignited a contentious
debate by attempting tochallenge the 14th Amendment of the
Constitution.
So, as you probably know, thisamendment is a cornerstone of American
civil rights and guaranteescitizens to all individuals, or,
I'm sorry, it guaranteescitizenship to all individuals born
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in the United States.
Trump's efforts to redefinethis principle have sparked legal
battles, political discourse,and concerns about what the future
of American citizenship isgoing to be.
So why is President Trumptargeting the 14th amendment?
What are the historicalunderpinnings of this constitutional
provision, and what could bethe ramifications of altering its
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interpretation?
Let's explore these questionsin depth.
So to understand the currentcontroversy, we have to revisit the
origins of the 14th Amendment.
Ratified in 1868 in theaftermath of the Civil War, the amendment
was redesigned.
Not really.
The Amendment was designed toaddress the status of formerly enslaved
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individuals and to establishclear definition of American citizenship.
The citizenship clause of the14th Amendment states that all persons
born or naturalized in theUnited States are subject to the
jurisdiction thereof, arecitizens of the United States and
of the state wherein they reside.
So this clause was a directresponse to the infamous Dred Scott
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vs Sanford case decision in1857, which held that African Americans
could not be citizens.
But by enshrining birthrightcitizenship in the Constitution,
the 14th Amendment aimed toensure that all individuals born
on U.S.
soil, regardless of race orparentage, were granted full citizenship
rights.
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This principle, known as justsolely or the right of the soil,
has been a fundamental aspectof American identity for over 150
years.
So the 14th amendment hasplayed a pivotal role in numerous
landmark Supreme Court casesthat have shaped American society.
In the United States versusWong Kim Ark in 1898, the court affirmed
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that children born in theUnited States to foreign parents
are indeed US Citizens,reinforcing the doctrine of birthright
citizenship beyondcitizenship, the equal Protection
and Due Process clause of the14th Amendment.
Those clauses of the 14thAmendment had been instrumental in
cases such as Brown versus theBoard of Education in 1954, which
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ended racial segregation inpublic schools, and Obergefell and
Hodges in 2015, whichlegalized same sex marriage national
nationwide.
So these decisions underscorethe amendment's broad impact on civil
rights and liberties, makingany attempts to alter its interpretation
a matter of significant consequence.
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President Trump's challengesto the 14th Amendment are not new.
During his first term, hefloated the idea of ending birthright
citizenship through executiveaction, a proposal that faced widespread
criticism and legal skepticismupon entering the office in 2025.
Trump wasted zero time inadvancing this agenda.
On January 20, 2025, he signedan executive order 14160 titled Protecting
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the Meaning and Value ofAmerican Citizenship.
The order sought toreinterpret citizenship clause by
denying automatic citizenshipto children born in the United States
to parents who wereundocumented immigrants or on temporary
visa status.
Specifically, the orderstipulated that children born after
February 19, 2025, to mothersunlawfully present in the United
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States or to mothers intemporary legal status, such as student
or tourist visas, would not begranted U.S.
citizenship if the father wasneither a U.S.
citizen nor a lawful permanent res.
The administration justifiedthis move by arguing that such individuals
are not subject to thejurisdiction of the United States,
a phrase from the 14th Amendment.
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However, this interpretationruns counter to long standing legal
precedent, particularly theWong Kim Ark decision.
The Executive Order facedimmediate legal challenges.
Multiple lawsuits were filedby states and civil rights organizations,
leading to a federal judge'sissuing of a preliminary injunction
blocking its interpretation or implementation.
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Sorry.
Judge John C.
Kaufner of the WesternDistrict of Washington described
the order as blatantly unconstitutional.
But despite these efforts,Donald Trump's administration has
appealed the rulings, and theSupreme Court is scheduled to hear
the argument or the argumentson the matter on May 15, 2025.
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So Trump's push to redefinebirthright citizenship aligns with
his broader political strategyof appealing to national nationalist
sentiments and concern over immigration.
By challenging the 14thamendment, he taps into a segment
of the electorate that viewscurrent immigration policies to be
too lenient and believes thatbirthright citizenship incentives
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incentivizes illegal immigration.
This approach also serves todivert attention from other pressing
issues and galvanizes hispolitical base by portraying himself
as a defender of the Americansovereignty and values.
Critics argue that suchtactics sow division and undermine
the inclusive principles uponwhich the nation was founded.
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Altering the interpretation ofthe 14th Amendment could have far
reaching implications.
If birthright citizenship isdenied to certain groups, it could
result in significantpopulation of stateless individuals
born in the United States wholack the citizenship, leaving them
without legal protections oraccess to essential services.
Such a shift would not onlycontravene establish legal precedent,
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but also challenge thenation's commitment to equal rights
and due process.
It could open the door tofurther erosion of civil liberties
and set a precedent forredefining other constitutional protections.
So the 14th Amendment standsas a testament to the American dedication
to equality and justice.
Efforts to undermine thisprovision threaten to unravel the
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progress achieved over thepast century and a half.
As debates continue to legalbattles unfold, it's imperative for
citizens to stay informed and engaged.
The outcome of thesechallenges will shape the nation's
identity and values for generations.
There's not a whole lot thatelse can be said.
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This is mostly an attempt toundermine what is defining people
as citizens in this country.
And for 150 years we'verecognized anyone born or naturalized
in the United States as beinga citizen of this country.
We've recognized that underthe Constitution that due process
is something that is affordedto everyone on soil, regardless of
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their immigration status,citizenship, visas, whatever.
The United Statesfundamentally is a place of equality
and justice for all.
And ultimately, Donald Trumpand his administration are attempting
to undermine what it is to bean American, to be a citizen of this
country, or even just be avisitor to this country.
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It's extraordinarily dangerous.
I have to believe that thepeople that voted for Donald Trump,
while they want illegalimmigration to stop, which it never
will, we will always have somelevel, some percentage of people
in the United States that arehere illegally.
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It's just, it's part of being humans.
Human nature is to migrate.
We come from nomads andultimately in the end, people are
going to move and there willalways be opportunity to go from
one country to another,regardless of how tall you build
the walls or how many soldiersyou put behind them.
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It's always going to be the case.
The United States thrives onthe migrants that come here and help
and are paid for the work thatthey do.
They pay their taxes, they payinto social services that they will
probably never be afforded to them.
This is the United States.
This is the country we live in.
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It's hard to believe that westill have people in this day and
time that are so centered onthis idea of hate against people
that are different from them,on a personal respect, recognizing
that people I know willliterally go into the Walmart and
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will count the number of brownand black people that they see, not
purely out of curiosity, butbecause maybe they've given thought
to potentially calling the ICEhotline, notifying them that they
think that they're the peopleat the Walmart in West Columbia,
South Carolina, that are here illegally.
It's disturbing that someonewould want to go to the effort of
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completely upending someoneelse's life that has made no impact
on yours, purely based on thecolor of their skin or the language
they speak, or language,perhaps the language they don't speak.
It is disturbing.
And for a lot of these peopleto call themselves Christians to
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believe that they're followingin the footsteps of Jesus, it doesn't
make any sense to me.
Not from the readings of theBible that I have read many, many
times.
I was a practicing Catholicfor many years.
I have read through the Biblemany, many times and the actions
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and behavior of people that Iknow that consider themselves to
be Christian.
I am dumbfounded at how youcame to that definition.
I'm just dumbfounded.
Anyhow, that is, that is mytake on what is going on with the
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14th amendment.
So before we close out theshow, I do have a couple of things
that I did want to discuss.
Donald Trump is Now sellingTrump 2028 merch on his website.
So this either confirms thathe is either serious about running
or it confirms that he really,really just want to.
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Wants to troll the Democrats.
And really the nation in Ipsispoll indicated that 80% of voters
do not want him to run for athird term.
That was Republicans,Democrats and independents, 80%.
Currently the president ispolling somewhere in the high 30s
(23:58):
to low 40s when it comes tohis job or an approval on his job
of how he's doing in respectto the economy.
That's not good.
He's.
He's basically completelyblown away and wasted the entire,
the entirety of his honeymoonphase of him becoming president.
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Again, completely wasted it.
It's gone.
I mean, no president inhistory has seen approval ratings
plummet as quickly as DonaldTrump has.
And you can deny it if you.
If you're one of hissupporters, you can.
You can say that I'm wrong,you can say whatever you'd like.
But in the end, this is the truth.
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Donald Trump is an unpopularpresident less than 100 days into
his presidency.
Constitution, of course, inthe 22nd Amendment does not allow
for a president to run or tobe elected to a third term.
Can he run?
Yeah, he can run for office.
He can run for a third term.
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He can run for fourth or fifth term.
I mean, as long as his bodyholds out.
But he can't be elected.
He can't be sworn in for athird time and be president again.
There are some potential pathsto him becoming the president.
He could potentially beelected as the vice president, and
then whoever that president iscould step aside almost immediately
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and be able to allow DonaldTrump to ascend to the presidency
for another term.
He could be the speaker of theHouse, and both the president and
vice president could stepaside, and then he could potentially
become president by beingsworn in and ascending to the presidency.
There's really nothing thatany of us can do to stop him from
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running for a third term.
The Grim Reaper might maybe,but it really is what it is.
I cannot imagine a scenariowhere Donald Trump, knowing that
he can't be sworn in as thepresident based on an election, would
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really want to become thepresident again like he's an old
man.
He's going to be 82 years old.
Why not just let it go and retire?
But I think I know the answerto that.
And it's his vanity, it is hisdesire to be recognized.
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And that's why he recognizesPutin and Kim Jong Un as being such
strong men, because they neverhave to relinquish their power.
Putin can continue just tokill off everyone that opposes him
in an election or sentencethem to life in prison in, you know,
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northern Siberia.
But we have due process herein the United States.
That sort of prevents DonaldTrump from being able to do that
to people.
And I know that right nowthings are bleak when it comes to
these deportations.
The fact that we are.
We are seeing Americancitizens being deported, we are seeing
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people that have not committedcrimes being deported, people that
have organized protests arebeing deported.
They're being deported.
It's such an odd world that welive in.
And as another distraction,Donald Trump has now in the process,
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and he says at his own cost,that he is going to have Installed
on the White House ground,both on the north and South Lawn.
Two beautiful flagpoles, 100ft tall.
Just to give you someperspective on that, the national
monument is 550ft tall, giveor take.
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So they won't be the tallestthings in Washington D.C.
but you'll certainly be ableto see them from almost anywhere.
It's, you know, the WhiteHouse already has a flagpole on.
It stands about 70ft.
Tie on top of the, I meanfrom, from the height, from the height.
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It's about 70ft and it's ontop of the White House and it has
a very large American flag.
Is there some fear in my mindthat potentially Donald Trump wants
flagpoles on the north andsouth lawn of the White House so
that he has access to them?
He does do a lot crazy, wickedstuff with his hands and body against
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flags.
It's a weird, it's a weird kink.
Not here to kink shame him,but it is odd.
So just, you know, be aware.
Also this week saw that Dr.
Oz, who by the way, Dr.
Oz, is now the head ofMedicare and Medicaid services.
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A tv.
If a TV personality can bepresident United States, then a TV
personality can definitely bethe head of Medicare and Medicaid
services.
Much to the demise of theactual programs and administrative
state.
Dr.
Oz is now the head of Medicareand Medicaid services.
And as his first act hassomehow, and I don't know if this
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act now requires the act ofCongress, but has somehow increased
by 5 point something percentin payouts to providers.
Now first, that sounds likethat's a great thing because providers
are going to be paid more forthe services that they do.
I am not against that.
I absolutely think that forsome of the services that doctors
provide, whether it's MedicarePart A in hospitals or Medicare Part
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B, some of the services thatare provided, or even demerg Medicare
Part D, which is mostly yourdurable medical equipment.
I'm not against the idea thatproviders should be paid better for
the services that they provide.
Doctors, Absolutely.
Nurses, things like that.
Those services I think areinvaluable and should be recognized
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as such even under the, underthe single payer system that we have
with Medicaid included.
But that's, that's not whatthis 5% plus or minus increase is
going to.
This increase is going to theadministrative costs of Medicare
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and Medicaid and that onlybenefits the insurance companies
that are currently undercontract as the administrators for
Medicare and Medicaid services.
I worked for a company here inSouth Carolina for 15 years.
That was the administrator forMedicare and Medicaid here in South
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Carolina as well as then itdid expand into a couple other states,
South Carolina, NorthCarolina, Tennessee.
So the administrative costs,the administrators are going to be
paid an additional 5%.
These people, these, thesecompanies are already making billions
on the administrative cost.
Now, that includes phoneservices for providers and patients
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or, you know, Medicare patients.
So, but the actual cost ofadministrating these has not gone
up.
Technology has gotten better.
So the actual administrativecost, which has been recognized throughout
the last 10 years, as far asMedicare is concerned, the administrative
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cost of Medicare has gone downthanks to technology, computer systems,
the availability of networksto move information back and forth
particular to patients.
The administrative cost hasgone down, but we're going to have
an increase of 5% to theadministrators that handle those
Medicare contracts, thoseMedicaid contracts, 5% increase.
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The insurance companies arethe ones that are the administrators
of Medicare and Medicaid andthey do it at what is usually the
lowest bid.
So where Elon Musk and Dogeand his Doge warriors are supposed
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to be fighting to preventfraud and manipulation of the system
to save taxpayers monies,we've seen now an increase in the
amount of money cost totransport Donald Trump back and forth
from his White House to hisFlorida house and other other clubs
every weekend so that he canplay golf.
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The cost of that goes upbecause it can.
Donald Trump owns thoseresorts and he gets to charge for
all that have to be in hispresence when he is on weekend vacations.
I guess we're about to hit thehundredth day and, and by the time
this episode airs, we, we, wewill, I think May 30th, April 31st.
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April.
That's funny.
April 30th is, is his 100th day.
And in that 100 days he willhave taken pretty much close to a
quarter or a third of his timein office will have been spent on
his own, on his own golfresorts playing golf.
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That's what our president hasbeen doing.
That's what he wants to do.
Why doesn't he just retire?
Anyway, that is going to wrapit up for this episode of the All
About Nothing podcast.
Thank you very much for watching.
Thank you very much for listening.
Really appreciate it.
That is episode number 252.
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Thank you.
Also real quick, want to thankAlex Avinger of Ever Play Sports
and Social for having Bill andAmie I and I out to the kickball
game for the last episode we did.
That was a lot of fun.
We are going to do that again.
Actually we're going to dothat every season.
We're going to do one kickballgame every season where we are going
to do the play by play.
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