The All-Pro Philly Players Show w/ Seth Joyner & Jahri Evans - 02/03/25

Jerrold Colton and Seth Joyner are LIVE from Chickie's and Pete's in Marlton, NJ talking all things #Eagles-#Chiefs! Jahri Evans joins the show! Pete Ciarrocchi III also joins the conversation!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:22):
Monday Night. It's the All Pro Philly Players Show. Now
Here are your hosts, Gerald Colton and Eagles inside it.
Dave Spidero, Goody.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Math twenty four NFL season.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Of course, we are now in the LAS season of
twenty twenty five, but day mathematically still keep this twenty
twenty four. As we approach, we are just six days
away from Super Bowl fifty nine in New Orleans, Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
We have a great show for you tonight and we
will look.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Ahead to that fateful day six days from now where
hopefully the Eagles go and capture that Lombardi Trophy. To
capture this glorious season. We have had sixteen out of
seventeen street victory Mondays. And of course the NFC Championship
game was a week ago, so no game this week,
but a lot to talk about as we head down
to New Orleans, Louisiana. The Eagles took off yesterday for

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the Bayou, and we will be joined by a former
great Seth Joyner, who's a little stuck in traffic getting here,
but he's going to give us his insights to being
an Eagle, to being in the Super Bowl and what
lies ahead. We are also going to have a special guest,
Pete Cherokee, the third Little Pete, who's running this whole
place here at Chickens and Pizza as he does so well,

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and we will have him on giving his great insights
and really he looks forward as representing the fans down
in New Orleans in six days. We also will be
joined by a guy who is a Hall of Fame
finalist and they're going to announce that this I had
to prepare for. Both gives us some unique insights as
well as being a Philadelphian in New Orleans. So we

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got a great show after what has been a spectacular season.
And come join us here at Chickens and Pizza Marlton.
If you can't make it, you're already tuned in, probably,
but we are on Fox Sports, a game learning streaming
on YouTube and all the streaming networks, joined of course
by John Jensen, who got us on the air, and
now he's getting little assist by little Pete with the
video here Chickens, big assist. He does it all that

(02:26):
little Pete. This is such a great place, and we've
had such a great time this season and all the
other seasons. We're so thankful to Petcherrochi his staff and
all the people at Chickens and Pizza and the great
crowd here. But come there's still time to join us,
and you'll catch what's on tonight. John on the games
on is there anything good after? Because we normally won
any football that's done. Pro Bowl games thankfully are over

(02:48):
sixers thankfully have no game in order. The Flyers have
been shut out three straight times. But there's always something
good on. We got Baseball's they got Puerto Rico on TV,
something that Latin America.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
But there's always something. It's certainly college Monday Night. If
you're a fan. The post to rumble Monday Night raw
is always a good one.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
But it's enough to come catch us here and we
and Seth Joyner, who was such a big part of
really what was the what I thought the greatest Eagles
defense until probably this year. We'll talk to him about
that as he compares. But John, it's been interesting to
watch the things as.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
The game approaches.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's been a week now and the betting lines haven't
moved a little bit. If it has, it's been slightly
toward the Eagles. The original line was one and a
half Kansas City favored by at about a forty nine
and a half line on the over under. That's come
down to drop I think to forty eight and a half.
The line the money line has moved a little bit

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down to Eagles, but not significantly.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yeah, I don't think you're gonna see much changes. This
is obviously one of the most bet on games in
all of sports. That line's probably not gonna move all
that much. There's money probably coming both ways for both teams,
So yeah, I'm expecting a lot of movement. The movement
where you will see most likely is things like prop bets.
Those will move a lot, especially if Saquan's getting better

(04:08):
a lot. Jalen hurts all those things. But yeah, a
lot of those lines are probably gonna stay the same.
But it's pretty close and pretty established. If it moves,
it will be incremental.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
But we have right now entering our set here at
Chicks Pizza whiles to New Jersey a real star, one
of the great Eagles of all time. Arrived in nineteen
eighty six with Buddy Ryan and finished his career not here,
but with the Super Bowl championship for the Denver Broncos.
It stops in Arizona and Greendale along the along the way.
Welcome a real legend for the phil Off Eagles, an

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Eagle Hall of Famer number fifty nine.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Seth Joinner, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Fans?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
The Eagles are going on, Seth, They're going on too.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
They're going on to New Orleans and in six days
from now we'll be taking the field against Kansas City Chiefs.
It has been such an incredible, incredible season just.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Overall, Seth. You know, you experienced as a player.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
The two week lag between the conference championship and the
Super Bowl. So what are the players going through? Is
they flew down to New Orleans yesterday?

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Well, I think it's a combination of things because you've
got some guys that's been there before and experienced it,
and then you got a lot of young guys you
know that are probably you know, bright eyed and bushy tailed,
and you know, you got some other guys that's been
in the league for a while that hasn't had this experience,
So everybody's experience is just a little bit different. Hopefully,
you know, those guys that have never been in this
situation before will draw from the guys who's been in

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this situation before and understand how to conduct themselves and
go through the whole process that is the week leading
into the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
And he said, you have such a unique perspective of
your years in the league. Thirteen years in the league,
but you went eleven years and on some really terrific
teams and didn't make it to the Super Bowl. I
think you probably only even won like one playoff game
or so before those last two years. And you were
part of what I believe was the best Eagles defense
in history until maybe this year, and we could talk
about that and compare. But a really spectacular career and

(06:02):
people who aren't familiar. Three Pro Bowls, I thought there
should have been more. Actually literally were fifth in the
MVP voting for a team that team to make the
playoffs in not doing fifth in the MVP voting and
runner up for Defensive Player of the Years, amongst other accolades.
But it took you all that time to get there.
You talk about the bright eyed, bushytail, the young guys.
It's a really good team, mixed with veterans and great

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young players. But so many guys on this team experience
coming up short two years ago. How much do you
think that inspires and motivates and becomes a part of.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
This Well, I think it's a big deal.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
You know, for the guys who won in seventeen in
Super Bowl fifty two, you know, now they understand the
difference between winning one and losing one.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
There's not too many of those guys left now, No,
it's only a handful of those guys. But the guys who.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
In twenty two in Super Bowl fifty seven, they still
got this bad taste in their mouth.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
You know. I continue to remember Jalen.

Speaker 6 (06:59):
Her it's kind of hanging around on the sideline after
the game was over to kind of soak in that disappointment,
that feeling of what Kansas City was experiencing, you know,
in the elation of the moment.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
And I want to stop you there for a second,
because I was there, and I was right first rowing
then down the field. And it's two years later, and I,
of course don't play. I don't have that kind of
vested interest emotional and physical, emotional but not physical.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
But I love Philadelphia. I love the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
I love our region and the Eagles means so much
to it, and I love so many guys on that team.
Two years later, it still bothers me. So I'm curious,
what was the toughest loss of your career and were
you ever able to bottle that and get that back?

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (07:43):
For sure, you know to lose the super Bowl because
it's so difficult to get there, and you.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Knew it because it took you twelve years.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
It took me twelve years to get there.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
And after I lost that game, I was devastated because
I felt like I'd never get a chance to get
back there again. I knew my time in Green Bay
would be up. Nothing was guaranteed where I would wind
up for year thirteen and whether I would have an
opportunity to get back to another super Bowl again.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
And I just want to say I wanted fans to
know that the listeners that you paid it was eight
years for the Yeals, right and then and then three
in Arizona. Right go to Green Bay, who had won
the Super Bowl the year before, reunite with Reggie White,
but they'd beat New England the year before, so you're
joining a Super Bowl champ. You get back to the
Super Bowl and you're like a two touchdown favor against Denver.

(08:27):
Denver had lost four l Wait was always known as
a choker, and then you lose that game.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
So I can't even imagine how they were saying that.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
It's just I mean, I couldn't tell you, man. I
sat on the shower. I sat on the shower floor
after that game, and I cried like a baby for
like ten minutes after that game was over, because I,
you know, I understood how hard it was to get
there twelve years with the clear desire to get there,
the work ethic to get there, and it's a team goal.

(08:54):
It's a team situation, so everything has to be right
for individuals to get there as a complete unit, and
things just never lined up for us in Philadelphia, and
we had no shot whatsoever in Arizona.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
But it's funny when I look back when your Eagles teams,
I mean, people don't know that weren't old enough and
don't remember that were how great those teams were. Yet
under Buddy you never even won a playoff game, and
under Rich Kotite you actually had one down in New Orleans,
which I remember well. I mean, just for those who
don't know how good you were, And in case you

(09:26):
need reminding, I don't think you do. You made big
plays all the time. You made so many big plays,
and I had the fortune, if you remember good old
Joe Wooley, who was your personnel director. He used to
give me a sideline pass so I was able to
be on the sidelines with your team. And it was
a different day in the NFL. Now they got I mean,
the police are out there making sure no one like

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me is on the side. But I just remember you
always made big plays, and your team needed a big
play in that game in New Orleans. Had not won
a playoff game, probably since Super Bowl season in nineteen
eighty I think could have been that long. And this
is nineteen two season, and you made a big interception
and returned it and in New Orleans and then advanced
to finally win a playoff game.

Speaker 6 (10:07):
Well, I think I intercepted one to set the offense up.
Eric Allen actually had the one he actually had to
pick six. Yeah, I mean it's just you know, when
you think back about it, you know there's like two
different points in time when you think about our football team.

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You know, the offense was progressing, Randall had began to
take off, and us as a defense, we were still
trying to find out way. And then the year I
believe it was ninety one when Randall blew his knee out,
that was our year. You know, the defense was primed
and ready. We finished first in the league, one.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Across the board.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
And just to just to set the names of that defense,
I mean it was it was your Your dns were
Reggie Whiting, Clyde Simmons, two tremendous players. Jerome Brown was
an incredible d tackle. You had also Mike Pitts and
Mike Goldlick in there. And then what I think is
the best linebacker trio in the history of the Fildelp fields.
And we'll compare it to this one, but it was
Byron Evans in the middle, and then you and William

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Thomas on the ends on the outside, and then the
safeties of Andre and Wes Hopkins in the corners where
Eric Allen who's that Ben Smith?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I mean, every one of those guys was phenomenal. But
fortunately this year's team has a similar makeup. But anyway,
I just want people to know how good that defense was.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
It does.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
It's just, you know, I hate making comparisons because the
game I played is so different from the game that
they played today.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, you had leather helmets and stuff like that. Pretty
much when you played on the turf, there was a
whole all defenses pretty much play a four to two look.
There there are no more defenses that really play a
four to three look.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
Kansas City, believe it or not, runs a lot of
you know, straight four to three with all three linebackers
off the ball.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
And that's Spagnola. Yeah, been around a little while, but
the majority of teams don't run that anymore.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
And what's asked of linebackers, you know, in a lot
of ways, it's not the same. Like I played outside backer,
but I you know, in nickel situations, I was off
the ball. I call call all the defenses and nickels
and nickel and dimes situations. So I could have played
in today's defense. But there's none, not very many players

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in today's game. They could line up over a tight
end and play over the tight end. They could cover
a tight end one on one from head up or
back out of the backfield.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
You know.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
So the comparisons, you know, and that's just the linebacker position.
Like if you took our defensive line and put it
up against any defensive line, if the Philadelphia Eagles that
have already had, there's no there's no comparisons.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
And he Reggie Waites arguably the best defensive player of
all time, but certainly the best the end. And Jerome
Brown was so terrific in people unfortunately didn't get to
see him. And then your linebacking c so I agree.
I mean, but your line was killer and impenetrable.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
And you know, secondary wise, you know, we challenged people.
You know, we we we gave no quarter as much
as we blitzed it as much as we try to
put pressure on the quarterbacks. That meant that the linebackers
in the corners and the safeties had to be pretty
done good in coverage. So there's there's there really is
no comparison.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
It is just a different game.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
I get it. I get it, and people and people
like to make those comparisons.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
It's impossible, though, it is that the shame of your team,
of course, was that you also still had a really
good offense, but for whatever reason, it didn't all click.
But people also don't know that at the same time,
you're in the same division as the Dallas Cowboys and
the New York Giants, who between them won four Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
Champions Washington, yeah, at the aforementioned you know, Washington Riskins.
They won two championships during my tenure here.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
So, I mean, it was just crazy.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
It was great football, great to be a fan and all,
but our heart was always broken sometime in December and January. Unfortunately,
this team's going on again to the second for the
second time in three years and third time in seven,
which is absolutely incredible. So now you mentioned Eric Allen,
and I gotta let people know about him because he
is one of the finalists for the Hall of Fame,

(14:14):
the Pro Football Hall Fame, which is being announced this
weekend down in New Orleans. He's going got two years remaining.
It's it's kind of hard to believe that it takes
that way. I mean, exeth, I actually believe you deserved consideration.
I've looked up some of this stuff but it's so political.
Hopefully Eric gets over the top. They have this whole
meeting and it's now on Zoom. The fifty voters, which

(14:37):
is thirty two voters from each one from each city.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
The beat writer ours.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Is Paul Domoich out of Philadelphia, who covered Paul's Eric's career,
and then they've got eighteen other people, which includes South
pal Antonio, I know who's a big believer in Eric
down so hopefully Eric gets that final up. We also
are going to be joined by ji Rey Evans, who
is my good friend. He's an assistant coach down in
New Orleans now and he is one of the fifteen
finalists also, so for this is his third year on

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the ballot, second time as a finalist, and very very deserving.
Just hard for a guard and early on right. So anyway,
we'll talk. We'll talk to Jiren in a few minutes.
He's going to join us and talk about both the
Hall Fame and this matchup. And his team played both
the Kansas City Chiefs and the Field Off Eagles this year,
so he gets to see it from a different perspective
offensive line coach, where I know, no matter how you're
looking at it, and you see it, you see it all.
You still got to be looking at as a linebacker

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always are well.

Speaker 6 (15:25):
I mean, that's the only way I know how to
watch the game is from an analytical standpoint. You know,
I'm watching things that the normal person wouldn't watch and
not necessarily fall in the football. On every single play,
I'm looking at the keys and the things that would
tell me whether it's running pass, you know, and from
that from there, you know, my my I discipline is

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to you know, look at the uncovered linemen, to the backfield,
to the quarterback and the running back.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
You know, those are my tails.

Speaker 6 (15:53):
And then you know, obviously my eyes go to different
places based upon that. But yeah, I mean I enjoy
watching games, but I watch it from an analytical standpoint.
Somebody's asking me today, you going to the Super Bowl.
No desire whatsoever to watch the game live. It's just
too much going on, too much happening. Besides, you know

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the fact that I'm doing my own pre and post
game show, so I got to be here in Philly.
But there's just too much going on at live games
for me, a person like myself to really enjoy the game.
I like to be home or be somewhere where you know,
if I miss something, I can run it back and
look at it, analyze it, speed it back up, and
get back up to speed that way, because when you're

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at the game, it's just all these distractions. I mean,
you can, you know, turn around and talk to somebody,
if someone has your attention for a minute.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
Players gone.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
You might see it up on the screen one time,
but that's it, you know, so you've lost that And
that's not good for someone who likes to really analyze it.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Oh yeah, and you do it professionally as well, so
beyond just for your own knowledge and and seth. I mean,
I love going, I love the energy of the game.
I will be down in New Orleans with my sons
and I will have a great time. But every game
I have to make a tape of it and go
back and watch it and then watch it again.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
There is no way you can know.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
And it's interesting because I trained myself a long time ago,
not as a player or someone who studied film for
his job like you did, but as a watcher and
having clients in all different positions and trying to see
as much as you can to not watch the ball
and if you don't watch the ball, and I watch
offensive line and generally safety play.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
But you get to see the ball, you will. The
ball will come into your view.

Speaker 6 (17:28):
So well, if your eyes are looking in the right place,
it's just a matter of time before you find the ball.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
You will.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
If they're running the football, the offensive lineman primarily. You know,
it's changed a lot. Today, I was having a conversation.
I had Jeremiah Trotter on my senior on my podcast
a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
We had Junior here during the season amongst a lot
of great guests we have.

Speaker 6 (17:49):
And I asked him, I said, hey, you know, tell
me what you're thinking. You know, when you're looking your keys,
when you read as a linebacker, because you know they're
kind of old, kind of old one way, and hand
the ball off the saquan naked the other way. So
you got the linebackers in the safety flowing according to
where the linemen are going. But they'll give them the

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ball going the exact opposite direction because they know that
that weak side defensive end is chasing the pullers.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
You know.

Speaker 6 (18:19):
So these teams nowadays, and I give just Stoutling a
lot of credit because I watch a lot of what
they do on the offensive line.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
They do some innovative things.

Speaker 6 (18:28):
I've never seen a double trap before, and they run
a double trap where they trap both, you know, both tackles.
It's almost insane to you know, to think about how
who came up with that methodology of blocking, Because for
a linebacker, if if I'm reading the trap over here
and my linebacker made over here is reading the trap

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on the other side, you know, somebody's wrong.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (18:55):
And the way that they run it, you know, sometimes
out of pistol, they hand the saquony. He can either
hit it on the trap side on the right or
the trap side on the left. So it's very the
game has changed and it's evolved a lot, and you
have to watch, I would imagine you have to watch,
you know, almost a third more film. And I watched

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a lot of film when I play. Just for those
little small keys, those little small tails, that gives you
an idea of what they're doing, even though they influence
you one way and they run in a different direction and.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Seth We're going to have Jirion in a little while.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
But I also think and just in the short term
time of you know, thirty plus years, the athletes have
developed so much more. And it's no disrespect to your generation,
but these Eagles linemen are bigger, faster, stronger, quicker, and
I think that has to make it even that much tougher.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
Well it is because they you know, there's just so
much bigger than most defensive linemen that they play against,
you know, and it creates a problem, Carter, I mean
it puts it puts a lot of pressure on defenses
because you know, in the first Rams game, you know,
for instance, the first Rams game, they just mauled the

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Rams three hundred and fourteen yards total. Russian Saquon had
three point fifty five himself, And when you're playing against
smaller guys and they're in their way, you expect for
him to be that's just a battle that you can't win.
So you could see the evolution from the first time
they played them to the divisional game where they started

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running stunts. I think in that game to get they
sacked Jailing like seven times in that game. So what
they were doing was they ran stunts, they ran games
because they realized, if I stay where I'm at and
I'm to seventy and I'm giving up fifty sixty pounds
to a guy and he knows where I'm going to
be everything.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
There's just no way that I can win that battle.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
So you have to do some different things and hopefully
you guess right. Sometimes you guess right, sometimes you guess wrong.
And against this football team, if you guess wrong, it
could be a home run with Saquon in the backfield.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Amazing how many home runs you hit as a running back.
I've never seen anything like it.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
Yeah, for sixty plus for sixty plus yard runs just
against the Rams in two games. That's insane. Some guys
don't get a sixty yard run in the whole season.
It's incomprehensible. It absolutely is.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
And we've had a lot of great running backs here
and a lot of great offensive players. But I dare say, Seth,
that was the best offensive season I've ever seen a
Philadelphiagle happen.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
And I'm pretty sure that you know.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
I mean, you've heard all the rhetoric all season.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, I don't listen to.

Speaker 6 (21:38):
It, and I agree because at the end of the day,
is it about wins and losses or is it about numbers? Okay,
and everyone's complained about all, you know, he has to
throw the ball better in order for this team to
win the Super Bowl. And yet here we are on
the precipice, you know, of a Super Bowl victory, and
our quarterback is averaging right around twenty one twenty two

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passes a game, thirty first in the National Football League.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I mean, I think the recipe to winning the National
Football League hasn't really changed a lot over the years,
which is they have a great defensive, superior defense. I believe,
your best offensive line in the league, the best running back,
and if you don't turn the ball over, magic game.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well, and they've got more than that.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Of course, They've got really three high power offensive weapons
in Smith, Brown and Dallas. And as long as Jalen
just manages it and does what he's asked to do
and doesn't turn the ball over, and that's the key,
and he hasn't turned the wall.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
I'll say this, I'm shocked but pleasantly surprised that the
Eagles had to wherewithal to be able to make the
changes that they made this year, because organizationally, they want
to be a passing team, like you don't extend two

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wide receivers for the amount of money money that you
extended those guys too to become a running football team.
So the intent was always to throw the football. But
after four weeks and two and two, the decision was made, Hey,
we got Superman back here, we need to utilize him.
And I think I believe that as the season went along,

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they fell more and more in love with the running
game than most teams you know in this day and
age would actually you know, how they would call games.
And there was nothing wrong with that because they were
having success with it. But I think the wide receivers
in some instances, you know, we saw it with aj
you know, were frustrated because the production wasn't there. But

(23:37):
at the end of the day, if you're winning football games,
that's all that matters. You know, you can't can't because
every year is different. They may come back next year
and they may be forced into a situation where they're
going to have to throw the ball twenty five to
thirty thirty times a game instead of twenty one. But
you know, they started off the season with Jalen, especially
through the first two games, turning the ball over like

(23:57):
he was at the end of last year.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
And the remedy had to be okay.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
We have to minimize the amount of attempts that we're
asking him to put.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
Up from week to week.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
And I think he's been in a lot more protective
mode than he's ever been, and I think a lot
of that can you know, you can kind of read
between the lines of what he said last week is hey, Nick,
finally let me out of my straight jacket for a game.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
But listen, you can't complain a lot with We've had
sixteen out of seventeen victory mondays here, Seth, the stretch
of sixteen and one, and you're talking about next year,
which we will get to in about eight months. But
hopefully there's a Lombardi Trophy in the in the trophy
case at Novacare, Seth, we gotta take quick break.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
We're gonna be joined by Joy Evans when we come back. Seth.
I'm sorry we only eve an hour.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
I could talk to you forever about this stuff, but
we're gonna get tractioned to really look forward to exactly
what you think is gonna happen down New Orleans and
Wherel's gonna hear from Jowry Evans is really the unique
perspective of having coach against both these teams, and we'll
go offensive line against linebacker when we come back. So
you're listening to the all Prophilly play he show Gerald
Calton along with special guests Seth Joiner. We're also going
to be joined by Pete Cherochi the Third and Joy

(25:05):
Evans is calling it from New Orleans. We only just
be gonna wear chickens and pizza and Marlton New Jersey
stick around.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Bourbon Street has officially turned Midnight.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Greg I always dreaming about it. But the drain wasn't
just getting there. The drain was winning it.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
So that's what the Monset's had all things Big Game
fifty nine right here on the Gamblers. The Birds are
on Bourbon Street, and we're all over it for you
right here on the Gambler left.

Speaker 7 (25:30):
Go Birds.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
He put me all throat in the show back when
he was my partner in the air. And he's now
down in the New Orleans coaching for the New Orleans
Saints and maybe about to be joined by Kelvin Moore.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
By the way, he may have a new boss.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
It is Pro Football Hall of Fame finalist star for
the New Orleans Saints. For Philadelphia's own jiree heavens, Hey, Ji.

Speaker 8 (26:01):
What that fellas? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
We are the Eagles are going on to New Orleans.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
They're down there in your town, although Philly's going to
always be your town, but your second home of New Orleans.
I'm here with Seth Joyner, another fabulous former football player,
played eight of his thirteen years with the Philadelphi Eagles.
You both wound up playing a year in Green Bay,
of which he went to the Super Bowl camp a
little short, and he also wind up winning one with

(26:26):
the Denver Broncos. You one one with your New Orleans Saints.
So you're both the owners of one super Bowl ring,
which is damn impressive.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
So Eagles have hit town. What's going on down there?

Speaker 8 (26:37):
You know it's starting to pack up, man, People are
already coming down here, flying in the town and you
know they're they're getting everything in order, and they got
this place like Fort.

Speaker 7 (26:48):
Knox downtown, you know, trying to get to the French corner.

Speaker 8 (26:51):
And you have one team over there at too late
and one team over there at our facility.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
So your Eagles at your facility, right, yeah, correct, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
So Nercy always gets the team's facility in the city.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
I got get upset. What up?

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Man?

Speaker 5 (27:11):
How you doing? Brother? I'm good man. How are you, bro?

Speaker 6 (27:15):
I'm I'm I'm fingers crossed for you and my boy
Eric Allen Man this this weekend.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Johny.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
We talked about that a little bit earlier because you
and Eric were to the fifteenth finalists and they pare
it down to five, and that meeting happened a little
while ago, and then they're going to knock on five
people's door on probably Friday or Saturday night and and
give the news. It's pretty it's pretty uh, I don't know,
nerve wracking a little bit as you go through this process,

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you know.

Speaker 8 (27:48):
It's not really nerve wracking, you know, like I say
all the time, I can't go back out there and
putting no more downs on films.

Speaker 7 (27:55):
So you know, they have what they have and just
got a way for the votes to come in.

Speaker 8 (28:02):
You know, it's not about it's about win and hopefully
it's sooner than later.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Pretty much everybody who watched him play and played with
him believes, but it doesn't really work that way. And
he's nineteen years into this process with only one way
to go before he hits like a hiatus and a
veteran's committee. So we all really hope he gets it
before it's over. But it's funny how you say you
can't go back out there and put more downs.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Eric's had the same.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Career for the last nineteen years, and we hope it's
now fired.

Speaker 8 (28:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
But I really do want to turn you and seth
not on each other, but to discuss some of this
stuff that's going to go on on Sunday at the Superdome. You,
of course, the offensive lineman, the guard, one of the
greatest guards to ever play the game, and set the
terrific linebacker for the philadelph Eagles for one of the
greatest defenses to ever play the game.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
And you know, just your perspectives.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
You got to prepare for both the Chiefs and the
Eagles during the season.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I'll be it.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
It was a long time ago, but you got to
watch this offensive or this defense up close, and you know,
give your thoughts as to what you would think on
both defense and I want you had set to sort
of go back and forth as to what you both
see heading into Sunday.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
Yeah, you know, you know we played the Eagles.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
In Week three.

Speaker 8 (29:10):
The one thing you notice is just the size of
their guys up front, you know, offense, that defense, and
you know their defensive line, and it starts with those
big guys in the middle. You know, they really eat
up double teams. And I think that's a big reason
why Zach has had the season he's had, because you know,
he's like a quarterback back there or running back with

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guys in front of him that are keeping those offensive linemen.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
Off of them.

Speaker 8 (29:34):
So you know, they have a good a good group
up front, and then they got some smart players on
the back end that also have some speed. You know,
our game was pretty close, it went out to the
wire fifteen to twelve, but you know, they were the
better team and came out with the W and then
the Chiefs, you know, you watch those guys, I mean,
they just find ways to win. We went into Darrel

(29:58):
Ahead on the on the Monday nightootball game a little
shorthanded with some injuries, and you know, we didn't perform
well at all and it's a tough place to play
there and now Ahead, but the one thing you saw
about them is they just find ways to stay ahead
of the chains, keep the chains moving. And make plays
and put up points. I think it's going to be

(30:18):
it's going to be a great matchup. You know, it's
a rematch of the Super Bowl they played last time,
and you know, we'll see what happened.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
It sat from your standpoint, attacking them, but attacking both
teams offenses from the defensive perspective.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
Well, you know, obviously you know Saquon is you know, destraw.
It stirs the drink.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
So every team has been every team's objective to come
into this game and try to figure out or come
into a game and try to figure out how to
slow Saquon down. That's the first thing that coaches talk
about each and every week.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
We got to figure out a way to slow this
guy down.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
The problem is, nobody's been able to do it all
season long, no one. I mean, whether you load the box,
whether you play a light box or too high safeties,
it doesn't matter what look you give them. They've got
multiple ways to, you know, to make their run game effective.
I think Jeff Stotlin's one of the best offensive line

(31:17):
coaches in the National Football League. He's extremely creative in
some of his blocking schemes. They do some things that
I have never seen, you know in all of my
you know, thirteen years of playing.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
You know what talk to Job about where you pointed
about what the double traps are.

Speaker 6 (31:31):
Well, I mean, you know, John, I'm sure you see it.
You know as the offensive line guy, now offensive line coach.
Now they're you know, the tail for linebackers is a linebacker.
You know, we're reading the offensive line. The offensive line
tellers whether it's running pass, it tells, you know, stretch play,
which way the ball is going. You got pullers, you

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know which way the ball is going. Now you've got
these these these plays that are set up in a
way where you pull thede and you run the counter
oh or the counter?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Oh why?

Speaker 6 (32:04):
And all of a sudden they'll hand the ball off
going to where the pullers came from. Like that's a
mixt for a linebacker. I mean you see it all
the time. And then when you throw the quarterback runs
into it. Now you know the quarterback leads where they'll
you know, ride the running back and jailing to pull
the ball and say iquant to lead them up in
the hole. Or if you know, they're counting the numbers

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and they got numbers in the box where they can
get man or man blocking across the board, they'll you know,
they'll kind of delay and run a quarterback draw. They're
doing all these different things that make it very very
difficult for a linebacker to really figure out where the
heck the ball's going in the run game. And then
you know, when they get to their multiple tight insects,
you know, when teams start to load the box, what

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they do then is that, you know, you get the
extra guy in the box.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
So the objective is, Okay, if we're.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
Gonna run right, we're gonna run and we're gonna run
away from the strength or run to the weak side,
but we're gonna leave that week side to strong side
defensive end unblocked because he's never gonna be able to
run that playdown from behind. So now you got man
on blocking across the board, and now you got man
on blocking, and a big, massive offensive line is athletic

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that can move, that runs double teams extremely well and
gets up to the second level extremely well. It makes
it very very difficult for defenses to stop you. But
I will say this, and this is one of the
things you know, I talked about, you know on radio today,
when you look at the Chiefs defense. What they're very

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good at is when teams getting these reduced splits where
the wide receivers are tight to the box. What you're
doing now, even if you're in too high a single
hot doesn't matter. You're introducing more guys to the box.
So they are slot corners, they're safeties that are down

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and man and man or aligned.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
For zone cover. They're reading, you know what's going on.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
And the Chiefs, even though they've given up one hundred
and forty six yards rushing throughout the playoffs, you know,
they're very Those guys are very aggressive in the run game.
The minute that they read run boom, they attack the
line of scrimmags right now and a lot of times
they make plays behind the line of scrimmage, tackles for
losses because that guy's nunaccounted for. So I think the

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Eagles' biggest their biggest advantage would be to run the
ball by spreading them out. Keep the tight end, you
know attached. Now you got six guys in the box.
If they go too high, safety your man on man
across the board. You turn out with the tight end
the other five and man on man on the rest

(34:46):
of the guys and you work up to the work
up to the linebackers, and you can run that way.
But I think when you start to introduce with those
cut down splits, and I know why they do it.
They want to run across the routes against man and
all that kind of stuff and create confusion and.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
The passing game.

Speaker 6 (35:01):
But what winds up happening is you begin to introduce
more guys to the box, and especially against a team
like that that tackles well, that's aggressive, that's fast. That
can be problematic for your run game. All right, coach,
you agree with that?

Speaker 8 (35:15):
Yeah, I mean with Seth Steth saying is exactly right.
You know, the Eagles are a talented team and we say,
you know, you got the skill guys, but these guys
are so talented that they have a lot of good
skill at the offensive line position. And that's why they're
able to not just run gap schemes or man schemes.
They can run zone schemes, they can run penning pool schemes.

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They can you know, pool guys and read the defensive
end because they got a quarterback that can that can
pull the ball out and take it. So like they
they do have a lot of mixed bag, mixed things
in their bags that they can pull out that have success.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
And then when you add a guy like say Kwon.

Speaker 8 (35:52):
Barkley to the mix, I mean, you know your possibility end.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Listen.

Speaker 8 (35:56):
Then you got aj Brown and the other guys on
the outside, the tight ends, and your other receiver, young receiver.
You know, they're talented group. They're really talented group. And
it says right if you want to if you want
to just let the line eat and try to gain
a blocker, you know, maybe you keep those guys, those
outside guys out of the box instead of bringing you know,

(36:17):
bringing that nickel player closer to the box where he
can get nosy in that be gap or C gap
once he sees run.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
You know. So you know, hey, they're a.

Speaker 7 (36:25):
Talented team, man.

Speaker 8 (36:26):
That's why they're back in the super Bowl, and that's
why they've been putting up points these last couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
John, you might get a chance to game plan with
Kellen Moore next year. I mean, the the rumors are
that he's he's headed to No Alan's to be your
head coach.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
So we'll see what happens after the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
He's got one big game to coach first and John,
I've got the perfect two guys to discuss this. One
of the great surprises and big parts of the Egos
defense this year, And to my eyes, the best linebacker
in the league this year was Zach Bond. Now, of
course a year ago he was in New Orleans Sea
and we basically picked him up off the scrap people,
so to speak. It seemed like it was a big

(37:02):
fangio fine and played him in a different position that
he played for you, and.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
He was just spectacular. So I want you guys to talk.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
You know what SEYS saw of him as a linebacker,
which I believe was the best linebacking season any Eagle
had since Jeremiah Trotter, and Trotter was the best linebackers
and seth Joiner's crew with Byron Evans and William Thomas.
In my opinion, how did New Orleans let him go?
And uh and said, you say what you see in him?

(37:29):
So Joe you talked with how did how did you?

Speaker 5 (37:32):
Guys?

Speaker 8 (37:33):
Yeah, we we in my opinion, we were never going
to use that the way that he's being used in
Philly and and because he was playing sam for us,
you know, we have the Mario Davis is a great
middle linebacker. You know, he had over one hundred and
twenty I think tackles this year, and do we had
Pete Warner playing will at the will linebacker. The one

(37:54):
thing I see that Zach is doing a better job
of that I hear that he's doing a bad job
of is his coverage, you know, being able.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
To cover guys.

Speaker 8 (38:01):
But you know he has he has some and Seth
can talk about this. He got some big guys up front.
That's that's helping him get these tackles too. Man, these
guys are these guys are huge. I saw him on
the sideline. We got into a scuffle with our guys
in the game, and I saw him on the skyline.
I was like, man, they remind me of of Henderson
and Shrouds back in the day when I was when

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I played against those guys.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Man.

Speaker 8 (38:24):
You know, they're big guys and they're hard to deal with.
But Zach's having a great season. Man, He's bawling out
there happy for that guy. And he gets to come
back in the walls and play in the Super Bowl.
You know, it's amazing. You know, we got a good
one out the building and He's not the first one,
you know what I mean, but he's having a good year.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
The former guests of this show, we loved having him
and a whole bunch of the guys all year long.
Set your take on him in the season he had,
and you know, with how someone like that could kind
of be overlooked and then just find his perfect draw well.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
I mean, it's really amazing. It's phenomenal.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
You know, for a guy who's been a situational pass
rusher and you know, a special teams player the majority
of his career to step into a new system, be
slated as a starter and now is being talked about
his potential defensive Player of the year. That those types
of things just don't happen a because you know, either

(39:22):
Vic Fangio and Harrie Roseman knew he had that skill
set and maybe you know, I don't know, I don't
know the in the workings of you know, the New
Orleans Saints, maybe they didn't see it. But to be
able to play off the ball when you've been on
the ball player you know most of the time that
you've been somewhere and then come in you have to

(39:44):
learn a whole new system. You got to learn a
whole new technology, understanding the coverages and the blitzes and
everything that goes along with it. Because you know, as
a linebacker, and I'm partial in my opinion, I think
you know, the position is the hardest position on the
field to play because you are a hybrid. You're half

(40:05):
defensive tackle because you know, a D lineman because you're
involved in the run game, and you're half secondary you know,
because you're involved in the past.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Game tight end. The same way in the offensive.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
End, I wouldn't even begin to I wouldn't even begin
in this hybrid m. Yeah, So you know, you're you're
playing two fastest of the game on every single play.
A defensive guy, you know, they're they're they're just trying
to take real estate, you know, defensive line guy. The
guys on the back end, they realize they're the last
line of defense. So you're playing you're in the middle

(40:37):
of all of that. So to be able to come
in here and play in this defense like he's been
playing in it for four or five years in his career,
to play like he's been off the ball linebacker, you know,
his entire life just speaks to you know, his his
athleticism for one, and his intellect for two, because they

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know that normally takes time to evolve into that that
to what he did.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
This show, he did it running. He was great, And
I mean it takes one.

Speaker 6 (41:09):
It takes time, it takes experience, and the guy stepped
on the field and just you know, shine all season long.
Just makee play after play after play, and I just
hope we can resign them.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
It's gonna listen, there's gonna be some tough decisions. I
think Milton Williams, who has had a terrific here at Detackle,
might be won the casualties because you gotta make choices
when you have such a good team. But it's hard
to see Zach Baughn getting away. But a shout out
to the rest of the lineback in cor Also, Nikobe
Dean was terrific, unfortunately got hurt and then Oron Burks
has stepped in and been fabulous and he started las
year Super Bowl for Samanius. But these are just great pickups.

(41:43):
They and we got high hopes for journalist. I'll say this,
you know I'm I'm a firm believer in good good
position coaches. It's one thing to have great coordinators and
a great head coach. But it what you've seen on
this foot ball team, on this Eagles team, you know,
and I can say this because I've covered I've covered

(42:05):
them all season long. The upgrade was not just Vic Fangio,
but the guys that he brought with him, because I
felt all along for like the last ten fifteen years
that the Eagles have been you know, Darrel, and their
duties of how they how they developed positional players. Like

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think of all the wide receivers the Eagles that have
drafted in the last fifteen years and and how many
of them didn't pan out, but some of them left
here and went somewhere else and had success. See to me,
that speaks to covid because if I'm a coach and
I'm coaching linebackers, well, I'm going to give him all
the twos that I used to have in my utility

(42:48):
belt so that he can succeed. And I'm going to
drill him on those things old time so that he
can develop and realize his true potential. But if you're
an ex and O guy and you're just talking X
and os up on the board, but by goodness, man,
I can teach you the forty six defense tonight. I
can put you up on the board and teach you
that right right now. But if I can't tell you

(43:09):
how to get from point A to point B, if
I can't show you you know how to shuffle and
get or how to come down downhill, or how to
take on the block with the proper shoulder or use
your hands, if I can't teach you that kind of stuff,
then your your ability to develop is greatly diminished. So
I give not only a lot of credit to Vic
Fangio for being able to take such a young group

(43:32):
of guys and get them, you know, from thirty first,
you know in the league and defense last year to
number one in one season. But you got to give
credit to those position coaches because Vic can only do
so much. Those guys are living with these players, you know,
those position coaches are living with these players every single day,
and those are the guys that are responsible for positional development. Seth,

(43:56):
every good player I've ever represented always told me they
really gave a lot of credit to their positional coaching.
And both of you, I mean, Seth, you were an
eighth round pick. Jerry was a fourth round pickout Division two,
and I know you have great position coaches along the
way to thank you started a job with in your
career with Doug Naeroon had Aaron Cromer, and I know
you give a lot to them, and now you are
a position coach. So you are the valuable guy that

(44:18):
Seth is talking about. So I'm gonna give you the
last word before we let you go into the nights
of be careful down there. But I'll be with you
on Thursday night. We're going to chaws his party. By
the way, Seth, but you won Super Bowl forty four.
Give me one great memory from being a super Bowl champion, man, Shoot.

Speaker 8 (44:39):
I mean it has to be winning the game, right,
That's the ultimate. That's the ultimate memory, Tracy Porter picking
that ball off and killing the game for us. I
got TP He'll be in town this week for our
Friday event and watch.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Party on Sunday.

Speaker 8 (44:55):
But but yeah, you.

Speaker 7 (44:56):
Know, just winning it, man, just just being.

Speaker 8 (44:58):
At the game, winning it, have a fun afterwards, and
bringing a trophy back to New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
And those are still your guys all these years later,
right Yeah?

Speaker 8 (45:08):
Man, Yeah, man, we're gonna we're gonna be looking forward
to having a good weekend here in New Orleans and
with all the events.

Speaker 7 (45:14):
And things that's going on, and uh, you know, enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Well.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Thanks for including me. I will be there Thursday. Can't
wait to see you, Seth. Thanks for you guys to talking.
I'm keeping you for one more minute on the other side, Seth,
all right, joh, have a great night and I will
see you Thursday.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Thanks to take care man and good.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Luck and Joy Evans Pro Football Hall of Fame finalists.
One of the greatest guys and a kid, I mean,
Seth Division two Bloomsberg got a scholarship to Temple and
that was it, and you.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Know, and on to become one of the best guards
of the NFL.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Listen.

Speaker 6 (45:48):
I always say, it's not where you're from, its where
you're at. You know, you just you need an opportunity.
And you know, there's a lot of players that are
out there that can play in the National Football League
that unfortunately don't get get the chance or get the
opportunity to really get into a camp and show a
team what they can do. But for the ones, you know,
like myself a eighth round draft pick. You know, I
am a fourth round draft pick. You know you just

(46:11):
want the opportunity to show that you can compete, that
you can get the job done. And we're fortunate enough
to allow that to happen. And you know the rest
is history.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
All right, Listen, I'm going to go straight through to
the finish here, John, and I want to Little Peak.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Come join us, Little Peak. Anyway, a couple of things
I want.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
To ask you about as we go in first look
at the game, and that is that as I look
at this objectively, and I don't put my knowledge near
yours or analysis, but I feel like the Eagles have
the better team. However, it doesn't always come down to that,
and these Kansas City Chiefs have the greatest intangibles going
in the NFL maybe ever, a quarterback and a head

(46:49):
coach who just know how to win in spag Nola
as well, and a team that knows the Eagles very well.
I do believe if everything works to plan, the Eagles
have a great chance to win. But you know, in football,
it doesn't always work to plan. And so one of
the things that has struck me about this team. The
Eagles have won pretty easily most of the year. They've
had a few games. I know a lot of the

(47:09):
games are close, and a lot of the games came
down to that last drive of the other team, but
pretty much there wasn't that drive.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
They asked Jalen Hurts to win the game out of.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
And we know Patrick Mahomes is one of the all
time great and if not the greatest already. So just
I would love to hear Seth Joiner's real analysis to
what you see happening on an overall basis and how
things are going to work out on Sunday.

Speaker 6 (47:28):
Well, I think you know this is an analyst of
a true football player's dream of a Super Bowl because
I believe that the chess Master that transpires between Andy
Reid and Vic Fangio is going to be epic, Okay,
because Andy Reid is the type of coach the Kansas

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City Chiefs offense, you know, a lot of times you're
either a finesse team re you know, realign themselves and
go to the They did it against the.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Eagles in Super Bowl fifty seven.

Speaker 6 (48:03):
The Eagles controlled the first half, they were up by
ten points. Kansas City came out in the second half
with a clear directive to run the football. And as
they begin to run the football, they begin to dominate
the line of scrimmage somewhat, and it opened up the
rest of the playbook to play action, pass, the bootleg
and everything else that they wanted to do.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
And that's how you know.

Speaker 6 (48:23):
They had four possessions in the second half and scored
on all four possessions. So you as a defensive coordinator
when you're playing against Andy, you almost have to have
two or three.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
Game plans, if you will, because if you play.

Speaker 6 (48:38):
Man, they're gonna rely on their ability to win one
on ones.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
With the wide receivers.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
If you play zone, the focal point is going to
be Travis Kelcey and his ability to find the holes
in the defense and get five yards four yards on
first down and keep them in third and manageable situations.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
One thing better about being there, I don't have to
see Taylor Swift after Travis kill, so you got to
watch her every time.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
I'll cover my eyes every time they cut to it.
But yeah, I mean, that's that's gonna be epic, you know.
And then the other thing is gonna be the challenge
of Nick Sirianni and Kellen Moore to figure out how
to handle Spagnola and his pressure packages. You know, we

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talked about the cut down splits and things like that
and how dangerous that could be.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
I think it's also dangerous.

Speaker 6 (49:30):
You know, when you get the X receiver that's the
weak side wide receiver and his split is cut down,
they run a lot of corner blitzes. Like back in
my day, in some instances, that was an automatic blitz.
If you cut the split down and you are less
than you are five yards or less away from that
tackle on the weak side, we're gonna bring him off
the edge because nobody expects it. And the problem is

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it speeds up the clock of the quarterback. Sometimes he's
even surprised by it. So when I say they need
to like spread this team out, there's a lot.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
Of reasons why Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
I give him a lot of credit, a lot more
than a lot of people given, because there's things that
I see him do that is beyond the understanding of
you know, the general watching fan. Like we talk about,
you know, and I'm not comparing them to these guys,
but we talk about Marino and Montana and Lway and
Troy Aikman and and and you know Montana and you know,

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even these current guys. Patrick Mahomes, you know, and Joe
Burrow and all these guys being field generals, meaning that
they're at the line of scrimmage and they're getting their
team in and out of the best play and putting
them in the best situation. Jalen does this a lot more,
but because it's passing yards of down that's been the

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focal point of what everybody talks about. He is the
lynch pin for why Saquon has had so much success.
And you could see it in the second Washington game.
The minu he went out of the game in the
second half, Saquon had twenty seven yards rushing.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
So if they knew that.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
If Kenny Pickett wasn't gonna pull the ball and take
off with it, then we could crash the ends and
we could come after the Saquon and really shut him down.
So people really don't understand what an integral piece Jailing is,
not only for what he does for Saquon, but what
he does at the line of scrimmage and his ability
to get the team in the right play at the

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right time. He's taken over the protections now that you
know Jason Kelsey has retired, so he does a lot
at the line of scrimmage, and it's going to be
a massive chess match there too, because they've got to
win on first down because if they if you don't,
if you get one yard or no yards on first down,
or you lose yards on first down, Spagg's coming after

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you on second down because he's trying to push you
to third and even longer. So you gotta get positive
yards on first down, okay, And you got to stay
out of those third and long situations because that's when
he starts to dial it up. And even when he
comes on second down, it's not purely to come get
the quarterback, but he's bringing extra guys to cover every
gap across the board so that he can stop the

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run as well. There are run blitzeres that are mixed
in there, so all of these different things. I'm telling
you this is gonna be an analyst dream to watch
this game because I've analyzed the Kansas City Chiefs. I
know what they like to do on the offense. I
know how multiple they can be on the defensive side
of the ball. The question is going to be can

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the Eagles coaching staff answer what Kansas City brings to
the table and then Lastly, the turnovers is going to
be a big deal. Now the Eagles have been really good.
Jalen's only turned the ball over two times in the
last what it is, seventeen seventeen and.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Three incredible, absolutely incredible.

Speaker 6 (52:52):
So in the last sixteen weeks he's only turn the
ball over twice, okay, and none in the playoffs, and this.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
Game right here, he has to follow suit.

Speaker 6 (53:03):
And I think I think a lot of the times,
you know, to be honest with that, I think a
lot of times some of the some of the sacks
that he's taped that he takes that people like, throw
it away, get rid of it. You know, he takes
him because he wants to be protective of the football.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
And he has been and said that that analyst or
the annalys is so good. And you talk about field general,
I'd go to war with Jalen Hurts anytime.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
The guy's a winner.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
And he might not have certain attributes that people are
used to in a quarterback, but who cares because he
he doesn't win it. And one thing that I also
think is underappreciated is the brotherly shove or tush push.
The guy is n'tbelieving a big part of because we
saw what happened with Josh Allen and Kynsity Chiefs might
not be the opponent of the Eagles had Josh Allen
been Jalen Hurst back there.

Speaker 6 (53:42):
I mean, just listen, there's no there's no doubt about it.
I mean, just the way they run it, like the way.
The reason why the Eagles are so successful at it
because it's because of how they run it. Nobody runs
it the way that we run it. You know, it's
pretty apparent. You know, Josh got stuffed twice. You know,
a major major plays in that game, because if they've

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just convert one of those, they got a much better
chance of winning that football game. But that's another thing
SPAGS is going to be trying to do. Just try
to keep them out of third and one, fourth and
one situations because you cannot, I repeat, you cannot stop
the touch puts.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
All right, So come about ten o'clock Eastern time on Sunday,
February ninth, who's holding.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
The celebration is going to be on. City of Philadelphia
needs to go ahead and grease those polls. Now, go ahead,
go ahead and put the barriers up, because I feel
like this this team is this, This is a destiny
thing for this football team right now. You know, they've
got the better head coach. I think they've got the
elite level tight quarterback. But I think as an overall team,

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the Philadelphia Eagles are a much better team.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Now.

Speaker 6 (54:54):
They got to execute, They got to go out and
do what they've got to do to win the football game.
But they've been pretty down good all season long. And
I get it, Kansas City hasn't lost with one game,
but they played in a lot of one score games
and a lot of questionable calls throughout you know, the
regular season that could could have had them on the
losing end on three or four games. I just don't

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you know, we haven't had that scenario with the Eagles.
The Eagles have beat everybody pretty handily, even at times
when it looked like the game was closed. They control
the flow, the flow and the rhythm of the game.
And when you run the football, you're not gonna blow
teams out. It's just not gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
You know.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
The blowouts come when you get four and four turnovers,
Like last week, you get four four turnovers against Washington
and you convert those four turnovers into twenty eight points
or the the The blowouts come when you got explosive
plays all over the place, you know, and you're scoring
in one play or two plays or three plays, and

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you're doing it at a at a at a high clip.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Eagles don't operate that well.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Sai Quan hit a few of those, right, we're the
most right.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
But all season long they had how many blowouts? One?

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
But but but each week I felt they were in controls.
It was a very very interesting reason of which they
really did dominate.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
And the result was.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Fourteen to three regular season, three victories in the playoffs,
and it appearance is Super Bowl fifty nine and six
days and stept Truly, when you just spoke, you gave
me chills. And I try not to think about victories
in advance, because I didn't give myself a chot to
think about it in before fifty two. And the tiers
flowed like crazy. When last said, well, well, let me
let me say this.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
You know, I caught a lot of heat last week
before the NFC Championship game because on Monday, after the
wildcard game, I went on and I said, there's not
a snowballs chance in hell that Washington's coming in here
beating this football team. Oh it just it went viral.
Now I'm not playing a single down. Okay, So I
can espouse all the confidence and I can say whatever

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I want want to say.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Yeah, but you always like the player you are.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
Yeah, but I don't. But I don't have to.

Speaker 6 (57:03):
I don't have to go out on the I don't
have to go out in the field and back it up.
I'm speaking confidence in the team that I want to
win the game, and I'm sending them good energy and
good vibes. For us to sit back and say, we
want this team to be a super Bowl champion, yet
we express all this doubt and all this negativity. That's

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that's counterproductive. It doesn't that's it's just not smart. Now,
I'm not saying that the Eagles there's no chance that
Kansas City can beat the Eagles, because you know, they're
in a three peak a three a three peak situation,
so obviously there's a chance that they could beat the Eagles.
I just think it's highly unlikely that they will.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
That they're I'm thirty two to twenty eight to win
this game.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Let's go. I'll take any victory, any score or whatever
it is.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
But I am sending along with you when everybody here
and everybody listening positive energy now to New Orleans, Louisiana
for the Philadelphia Eagles to win their second Lombardi Trophy
ever and come home in Super Bowl champions that this
team deserves to be. And frankly, it's just I'm not
even going back to the start of the season when
they stumbled out of the gate.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
I never did any doubt the season. I really didn't.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I believe in them all the way through, and it's
been a fabulous, fabulous season.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
It has, you know, I I believe that I thought
at the beginning of the season that this would be,
you know, a year for them to build. Even right
now utification, yeah, I mean even right now, I feel
like they're year head of schedule. Now we knew what

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the what the talent would be on the offensive side
of the ball. The defensive side of the ball was
the biggest question, and the defense usually takes a lot
longer than the offense to find.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
His foot in.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
But when you inject a guy like Saquon Barkley into
the offense, when you draft your first and second round draft.

Speaker 5 (58:56):
Picks Mitchell and Cooper, a starter and.

Speaker 6 (59:01):
Your linebackers excel between week one and week five and
one of them first team All Pro and you got
you get CJGJ back and I think that he and
Read Blanket Ship are a great tandem. And even you know,
on the defensive line, you look at look at the

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the leap that Jaalen Carter.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Has taken so far to be maybe the best defensive player.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
Also and Nolan Smith because one of my greatest you
know grits with the Eagles. How do you let Hassan
redd it out the building over six to seven million bucks?
Pay the guy, he's your best defensive player. But they
made the decision and it worked out for him. And
look at Nolan Smith playing lights out. And we also
got to you know, BG goes down.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Jlex Hunt has come along, and there's a whole lot
of other kids contributing as well. This is a spectacle
team that's so deep, and you know, it's just been
a pleasure to watch. And we'll watch him one more
time in New Orleans, Louisiana on Sunday in the Super
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