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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the art of
falling asleep.
I'm Derek Lacey and insomniacoach.
I created this podcast.
Insomniacs could have a space tocome and feel guided.
I feel like I know you couldshare some concepts that I wish
people had checked with meconcepts that integrate sleep
with every aspect of your life,physically, emotionally, and
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spiritually.
I believe sleep is not mean forany other sleep exercise are the
oddest artifact in the sleep isyour canvas.
And I want to help you expressyour sleep, using the insights
from my sleep coaching practiceand my own journey out of
insomnia.
And by sharing transmissionsthat help you bridge the way you
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experience life, better sleep.
Everyone.
I think you are going to findthis
Speaker 2 (01:07):
To be a juicy episode
because I'm going to talk about
what is probably the leastunderstood aspect when it comes
to falling asleep.
And that's the relationshipbetween the mind and sleep for
years, it felt like my mind wasa rebellious teenager who liked
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to sneak out at night and itfelt like the only reason I even
had a mind was so that it couldkeep me from sleeping yet that
same mind if I were driving acar at 80 miles per hour, in a
moment where falling asleepmeant disaster at same mind
seemed to have no problemallowing me to fall asleep.
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And as, as an insomniac, youknow, that ironic relationship
with a mind and sleep.
I know that relationship welland have really invested into
trying to understand how uniquethis complicated relationship is
to you.
And I know that for you, it'snot so simple.
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You don't know what's on yourmind most of the time, because
as you spent more and more timeand insomnia, your conscious and
subconscious thinking have kindof fermented and turned into a
new hybrid of an active mind.
It's more like an active mindwith its own active mind.
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And it, it sort of reminds me ofa cartoon or a movie where a
character has a thought and thena thought cloud pops up above
their head for a, for a noninsomniac when they feel like
they can't control their mind tofall asleep, they have one, two
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thought clouds, but for you, itfeels like there are several
clouds each having their ownnetwork of subconscious thought
clouds that just kind of go on,you know, what it feels like on
an infinite path.
Meanwhile, from this there'sthis idea asleep concept that's
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developed mainly by noninsomniacs that in order to fall
asleep, we need to extinguishthese clouds or somehow get them
to dissipate.
And even though this concept,which essentially says, we need
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to turn off, the mind is notbiologically accurate.
It works for people who onlyhave one or two of those thought
clouds.
These are the people whose lifeisn't being completely
influenced by insomnia.
And they can make the cloudsdissipate with supplements or
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guided meditations, or what haveyou some, some outside source
of, of influence.
But for us getting rid of ourthoughts feels like blowing your
nose.
When you have a cold, as soon asyou try to get rid of one
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thought, there seems to be aninfinite line of thoughts
waiting to replace that youthought I was going to mention
mucus.
I did do.
And I refrained kind of.
So you see the difference, maybethere, how person a we'll call
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them.
The amateur insomniac can use aflyswatter to turn off their
brain versus you, who tries todo the same thing, but just
creates more frustration andresistance.
And this is where bad conceptsare born.
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The make it go away mentalitythat works for some people, but
doesn't work for you.
They don't know what it's liketo be.
You.
They don't know that being aninsomniac is like living on an
Island by yourself.
They don't know about yourexperiences about your fears,
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about your fear of not fallingasleep.
And in your ability to what Ioften say is, seems to be almost
exclusive to insomniacs andthat's your ability to feel
other people's feelings.
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What happens is that most of theadvice that we get comes from
non insomniacs, people who loveus, but use this, make it go
away.
Concept.
These are amazing people wholove us and mean well, but they
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say things like, Oh, you justneed to let go.
You need to relax more, stopthinking so much.
Or, um, my favorite is justclose your eyes and go to sleep.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Um, they don't
understand us.
The products that are marketedto us don't understand us, but
we follow these concepts anyway,because we really don't have a
choice.
Right?
It seems like you're out ofoptions.
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And so from here, theconsequence is that we try to
sleep while not understandingourselves either.
The reason I think theseconcepts are not helpful are
because the actually kind ofmakes sense when we watch these
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people fall asleep.
I'm sure you've probably had apartner before and watch them
fall asleep in 30 seconds.
And when we watch them fallasleep, it actually does look
like they're doing all of thesethings.
It looks like they're letting goand closing their eyes and
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falling asleep, but what'sreally taking place in the
body's completely differentphysiologically.
It's totally different thanthese words that we, these
concepts that we come up with todescribe the process.
So, um, you know what I'mgetting at here, what I'm always
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getting at is that there, thereis a different way to think
about falling asleep and thereshould be a different way.
This is a must because it, Ialmost find it technically
impossible to go through acomplete transformation.
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If your concept isn't a thousandpercent solid as insomniacs,
when we can think about sleepdifferently, which is something
that we have total control of,then we can act differently
without having to consciously bedifferent.
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And this over time buildsunconscious sleep confidence and
just sort it's like it fills thegaps with like a cocking that,
that doesn't allow us to everretreat back and experience the
same subconscious errors as wedid before.
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And if this happens or when weapply this type of thinking,
conceptual thinking, we don'thave to be so Kung Fu about
managing the really complicatedemotional challenges that we
face.
So for this episode, this meanswelcoming the concept that the
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mind doesn't need to shut offfor you to fall asleep, but that
instead, if you practicedpresence or connection to your
body, the mind with all of itspop-up clouds and sub clouds and
infinite thoughts will begin tohear the message that your
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body's deepest desire for sleepis expressing.
When you try to shut down youractive mind or even think of
your active mind as the problemand not as symptom, there is no
end game at that point toneeding to shut it down, because
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there's always going to be athought waiting in the wings,
just like that analogy toblowing your nose.
When you have a cold plus, thisisn't the way our ancestors did
it.
That's not how they fell asleep.
How do I know this?
Because they told me I get theirnewsletter.
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And this last one said, Hey,Derek, when I was human, like
you, we used to just pass outfrom exhaustion.
And you know, that's the thingabout, that's the thing about
being a human right now in thisday and age, life is different.
Your light around you has gottenworse.
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The food's not the same as itused to be.
You're inside.
Most of the time, I'm guessingmost of you and we have a
different emotional concept ofsafety back in the day.
If you were sleeping in a cavein Milwaukee, you didn't have to
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worry about a line in Chicagonowadays, though the mind kind
of has to be more creative andmultidimensional to survive.
It has to live on differenttimelines.
We have to anticipate and, andsynthesize from our past because
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life is more multidimensionaland we require so much more
emotional safety too.
The difference between now andback then has created a gap and
left us with a bigger need to beconnected to ourselves.
So we have to be better, alittle more conscious about
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keeping our body and mindconnected because our lifestyles
aren't doing it as automaticallyas they used to being alive in
this generation has expanded oursense of reality, which has made
us more vulnerable to infinitethinking exponentially.
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It's connected us to differenttimelines.
When your mind is preventing youfrom falling asleep or when it
feels like your mind ispreventing you from falling
asleep.
It's not that the mind isactive.
It's where the mind is beingactive.
The only reason your mind couldeven prevent you from falling
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asleep is because it's somewherein the future or in the past, or
even in the present.
But just somewhere else, it'slike looking on the map in your,
in your smartphone, pulling upthe map.
And instead of seeing a blue dotshowing where you are in that
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moment, it pins you two Statesover in like 1967 being on a
different timeline like this, itjust lowers the, the sleep
quality of your thoughts becausebeing disconnected from yourself
doesn't feel safe.
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And that's, that's where the, uh, juiciness in that sandwiches
right there is, is it alwayscomes down to safety, right?
Some part of us doesn't doesn'tfeel safe and there's nothing
like being home.
There's nothing like being inthat present moment.
100% in the, in the place, theonly place that truly feels
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safe.
So it's when we are disconnectedfrom ourselves that our thoughts
attached to negative experienceson our timelines in the past,
or, or, you know, possiblenegative experiences awaiting us
in the future.
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And then once we're there, webecome entangled with the
experiences of somebody that weexperienced abandonment, neglect
or abuse from.
And it becomes this, thismixture of like infinite
generations of unhealedemotions.
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And this is what feels soexplosive to the subconscious
nervous system.
The one that consciously we havesuch a tough time identifying,
you know, it's like this.
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If I got to the source of mybiggest subconscious emotional
triggers, like I've describedthat feeling before, as, as I'm
trying to fall asleep, I'mreally sleepy.
And then all of a sudden, mybody just gets overwhelmed with
something, telling me not to doit.
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And if, if I had the time and Idon't even know how to, if money
would, would solve anything, butif I put all the best scientists
and any emotional healers towork and did a study of where
that's coming from, I wouldprobably find out that one of my
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ancestors in like the year 12over cooked an egg and the, the
shame, the pain they receivedfrom that, you know, has been
projected over and over againfrom parent to child, until it
got to me as explosive asunhealed emotions can feel.
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This episode is called matterover mind, because we are
reversing the concept that sleepstarts with thinking and saying,
instead, my timeline doesn'tmatter as much as what the most
evolved version of my physicalbody wants from me right now.
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So your body actually knows howto bypass the emotional pain
that's being stored and thenspeak from the self-love it
craves and speak on behalf ofwhat it needs.
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Physiologically gravity,hormones, spiritual frequencies.
These are all created by mass.
By matter, a mind couldn't evenminimally operate without being
grounded to matter in this case,that matter is your body Albert
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Einstein.
Um, whenever I hear it, I laughbecause whenever I hear his
name, it's like, uh, even in myown body, I gripped for like, uh
, some kind of science that'sgoing to be complicated, but
it's not.
He, he has this theory calledthe theory of relativity.
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Whenever I I'm confused aboutanything.
I think about the theory ofrelativity and it grounds me and
I, I understand how life worksimmediately.
And so he showed us in histheory of relativity, that that
matter creates gravity.
So you having a body has createdgravity within you and around
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you and science has shown assince then, that circadian
rhythm is just, it's just atriggered response to gravity.
All that this means is thatsleep starts in the body with
matter over mind.
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The irony though, of having amind is that you are given the
freedom to challenge that, andyou have the power, you have the
power to create outcomes thatfight that gravity you do.
Ultimately, if you are using or,you know, we're just
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subconsciously more committed tothe mind over matter concept.
It can prevent you from fallingasleep, but that also means that
you have at least equal, butlikely greater potential for
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succeeding at the matter overmind concept, all I'm suggesting
with this concept is that yourbody knows so much more about
sleep than you could possiblyeven begin to fathom.
Think about that for just a fewseconds, check in with yourself
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and just see if your mind likesthe way that feels.
If your mind is just even alittle more in honor of your
body, then the matter of remindconcept is true.
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And you've found yourself a wayto move forward that isn't so
conditional, but will over timehave great influence on your
ultimate success as a sleeper.
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Now, what I will proclaim hereis that the matter over mind
concept is absolutely true.
And here is how I know that it'strue.
I'm going to fact check this foreverybody.
Sleep is literally the only timethat thinking stops sleep takes
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the steering wheel from yourconscious mind to prevent your
nervous system from screwing upthe regeneration process.
So your, your brain, yourglands, your organs, your cells,
nothing stops.
They have all been active asmany hours as you have been
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alive.
Your conscious mind, however,has only been alive for however
old you are minus the amount oftime that you've been asleep.
When you think about it that waynow you can really begin to feel
your mind become humbled by yourbody, who is your elder, your
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guru, and your master, and yourbest friend that you get really
good dating advice from when youreally need it.
We all have that person to turnto, right?
And it turns out the person isour body that has the carries so
much wisdom.
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The other day, when I waswalking, my dog can Seiko.
I got a really good visual ofwhat this relationship with a
body mind and sleep looks like.
So I think it would help if, ifyou actually just went on a walk
with us to help with a visualConseco is a black blue healer.
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Hmm.
Yeah.
A black blue healer, uh, withthree legs.
Um, he's an adorable tripod.
So he's also, he's, he's also arambunctious.
So when I walked can Seiko, he'svery much like that rebellious
teenager.
And you know, if I didn't puthim on a leash, there's no
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telling where he would go.
He's a puppy and he's supersocial and just has loads of
energy.
Now with out the leash, I knowhe would come back to me.
Eventually the walk would justbecome more of an adventure.
We would still be walking in thesame overall direction.
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We would just be walkingseparately and we would have two
completely different of thewalk.
And most importantly, I wouldn'tbe able to keep him out of
harm's way.
So as you see us walking, noticehow I'm not restricting his
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ability to walk and roam aroundand explore things because
that's the point of the walk.
But for his safety, the walkneeds to take place in tandem as
a single connected a unit, asyou picture us walking and him
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barking at squirrels andsmelling everything and peeing
on everything.
And, and me having to reel himback in, you see him being a
dog, doing dog things, but youalso see him moving in a
direction.
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That's completely connected tomy intent for him to my deepest
desire, for what safety honorsin him being a dog, the visual
of us walking together is whatit looks like when instead of
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shutting off your mind, youfilter your thoughts through
your body first, so that yourthoughts speak from connection
for you in real life to be intandem and not separate to be
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connected.
The mind doesn't need a leash.
That's not a pleasant visual forsleep.
I don't like it, but themetaphor is too good not to use
it.
So instead, just think of, ofthe mind instead of needing a
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leash, needing the senses, thesenses are what real the mind in
to join the body on the walk.
When my mind is on an adventure,all that's happening is that I'm
bypassing the senses.
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It's just as if I have takenConseco off the leash, do you
see how this, how this concept,how through this concept, you
don't have to stop thinkingConseco doesn't have to stop
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walking.
When I have him on the leash, hejust needs to walk on behalf of
his owner.
You just need to think on behalfof your body and the senses are
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how you do this.
You engage with the senses.
And then you ask what is thehighest evolution of my body
thinking, right?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
When you think on
behalf of your body, and when
you get better at this, all youhave to do from here is get your
body tired.
And it becomes less possible tothink about anything else that's
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not related to being tired orsleepy.
Have you ever noticed howimpossible it is to feel sad
when you're on a roller coasteror on a jet ski?
That's because you'reexperiencing the ultimate
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engagement with the senses.
So thinking anything else otherthan what you're feeling at that
moment is virtually impossible.
If your body is heavy because ofmelatonin running through your
veins, then your thoughts aregoing to speak on behalf of
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being under the influence ofsleep.
As long as you are present andconnected to your body.
Because from there youexperience consciousness and a
conscious mind is ultimatelywhat has sovereignty over the
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subconscious mind and the fullspectrum of actions that we take
knowingly and unknowingly.
This is why mantras feels sogood because they put us in our
body and they engage us with thesenses and that's truth, a
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mantra doesn't entertain thoughtit makes declarations.
And you can do that too.
It may take a little time, butthis is what you can get good at
when you entertain this conceptof matter over mind, because
thinking separate from the bodywas never part of the sleep
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formula.
So it really just doesn'tbelong.
It's really hard to stopthinking in order to fall
asleep, because you weren'tsupposed to be thinking in the
first place, and this is whygetting good at shutting off
your mind leads nowhere.
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It doesn't help you become abetter sleeper.
And it's the reason whysupplements that induce sleep
and guided meditations andthings like that can be like
bandaids.
Even if your body is deficientin a nutrient that you need, and
you get that nutrient and yousleep better.
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I want that for you.
I really, I really do.
I also want you to think aboutchanging the concept because
then you will unconsciouslylearn how to rewire your brain
for autonomic sleep.
When both happen, atransformation happens, you were
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given the senses to be aconnector of the mind and the
body.
This is why meditation as apractice is so powerful.
And this is why this sleepconcept is so powerful because
when you are connected toyourself from body to mind, and
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from mind to body, thenspiritually, you become
connected through your third eyeand crown chakra, where you have
access to infinite sleepfrequencies.
This is what I want to leave youwith this concept matter over
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mind says that your mind is notthe problem it's giving the
power back to your physical bodyand the basic requirements that
your body needs to sleep.
Sunlight, food, air, water,gratitude.
When your mind and body areconnected by way of the senses,
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you're thinking will representyour body and your thinking will
have the highest sleep qualitypossible.
And please, the last thing I'llsay, uh, op request is, is just
to understand that concepts needtime.
An avocado tree takes five yearsto produce fruit, live your life
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and let the concepts be withoutputting pressure on them, to
work this very second, know thatthey can work and may work, but
learning to sleep artfully meansreaching a certain level of
proficiency and then not everbeing able to go back to how it
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used
Speaker 5 (32:40):
To be.
You were asleep.
We'll come to you.
I believe that.
Thank you for being here andhave great sleep.
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