February 3, 2025 • 25 mins
This episode centers on the transformative intersection of physical therapy and yoga, featuring Dr. Tara Marsh as she shares her insights on healing and empowerment. Through her diverse experiences in various therapeutic settings, she addresses the complexities of chronic pain and the importance of patient advocacy in healthcare.
• Discussing Dr. Marsh's journey into physical therapy
• Exploring chronic pain and its multi-faceted nature
• The importance of cultural context in therapy
• Integrating yoga into physical therapy practices
• Mental and emotional aspects of the healing process
• Announcement of Dr. Marsh's upcoming YouTube channel
• Encouraging patients to actively advocate for their health
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, everyone.
So thank you so much forjoining us for a live recording
of the Art of Healing podcast.
I am Dr Charlize and I'm soappreciative for those of you
that join us live.
If, for any reason, you need tohop on or hop off, we
absolutely understand.
Of course we'll have questionand answers, and if you do have
(00:23):
a question, just put it in thechat, because we are recording
this for the podcast.
If you miss any part of this orif you have to hop off early,
the Art of Healing podcast willhave this episode go live and,
if everything goes fine, weshould be posting the episode on
Monday.
So nice to meet all of you.
Some of you I've met before.
Some of you I've known myentire life.
(00:44):
Some of you I've known in pastlives.
Yeah, I'm so excited.
So we'll go ahead and getstarted and then hopefully, I'll
be able to give a little teaserof a really cool group program
that is coming up.
So if we are all ready and DrMarsh, are you ready?
You ready, I'm ready, oh,perfect.
(01:13):
Dr Marsh is a world-travelingphysical therapist.
Dr Marsh claims Oklahoma Cityand DFW Metroplex as home.
She currently lives in Atlanta,georgia, and she works
full-time as a school-basedtherapist with Atlanta Public
Schools and as a small privatepractice that services early
intervention patients.
Tara received her Doctor ofScience in Physical Therapy from
Alabama State University.
(01:34):
She has practiced physicaltherapy since August of 2003, so
she's very experienced.
Tara has experience withtherapy in several settings in
her career.
With her initial start inoutpatient orthopedics, tara
continued her physical therapyjourney, practicing in school
(01:54):
districts, texas and GeorgiaArmy Base Force Steward, as well
as physical therapy in theWarrior in Transition Battalion,
or what's called WTB, aquatictherapy supervisor for the WTB.
In acute medicine.
She works with therapy abroadas a clinical supervisor and
(02:17):
skilled connections nonprofit,as a physical therapy board
member and volunteer.
Both organizations provideservices in the United States
and abroad.
Dr Tara Marsh received her RYT200-hour yoga instructor
certification in April of 2022through the Kaivela Yoga Method
(02:40):
and Mindful Purpose Institute.
She has been certified asexercise physiologist through
the Academy of Sports Medicineand is an aquatic therapist
through Aquatic TherapeuticInstitute or ATRIC.
Tara's main passion is toempower individuals to live a
fulfilled life and she finds joyin supporting families and
(03:03):
service members to promoteholistic health and wellness.
So I asked Dr Marsh to join usbecause she is in the midst of
launching her YouTube channel,and, in addition to her practice
, she is in the midst oflaunching her yoga instructor
practice, and so she's gettingready to really spread her
(03:24):
message out there.
She has got so much wonderfulinformation to share.
Dr Marsh, how are you?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I'm doing great.
Thank you for having me today.
So great to see you and hearyou Wonderful.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Can you remind us your YouTube channel and your
website, if you have those liveyet?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I'm currently working on the website.
It should be live by the end ofthe weekend.
Perfect, it'll be it'sYahweh-moveswellnesscom.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Okay For podcast listeners.
If you sign up for my emailnewsletter, I will have all of
her contact information that'llgo out there.
Can you share some about yourjourney in physical therapy and
what inspired you to pursuephysical therapy as a career?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I've always had a love of medicine and healthcare
and I was an athlete in highschool, fell in love with that
side of things.
So I thought, oh, sports,medicine and health that goes
together for me, and that's whathelped me pursue physical
therapy.
So once I got into physicaltherapy, I realized there were
(04:35):
different types of therapy thatyou can do.
It ranges from geriatrics allthe way to pediatrics, and I've
always loved children.
I thought I was going to staywith adults and sports medicine,
but somehow I ended up being onthe floor playing with children
.
So I have worked in everysetting and have enjoyed and
(04:56):
learned so much through eachexperience.
The important thing that I'velearned through this journey is
that functional outcomes arevery important.
Everybody wants a good qualityof life and if you can show them
how to get there, you just makethe world a little better.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
As a physician.
I think that what I've noticedin my time of practice is that
the amount that I end up leaningon physical therapists is
massive and I come to take itfor granted until something
really shocks us, like wait aminute, I just did a lot of
talking, but I wasn't the onethat got them moving.
(05:38):
That was the physical therapistthat moved and I just talked
about it.
You have practice in a lot ofsettings school districts,
military bases.
You've practiced in the UnitedStates and you've practiced
abroad.
So how has the diversity ofyour experience shaped your
approach to physical therapy?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It definitely makes you look at the person
completely, at the personcompletely.
It changes your mindset andhelps you even eliminate some of
your biases that you might have.
It will make you ask yourselfam I looking at this completely
as the person?
Because you do have to takeinto consideration that person's
(06:21):
culture.
You got to take intoconsideration what that person
is telling you.
You become a better listener,become more of an active
listener when you work indifferent settings, especially
different, even different cities, because the culture of one
city or one town is completelydifferent than another.
What's important to one personwill not be important to the
(06:44):
other based off of their familydynamic.
Those things are reallyimportant when you're trying to
get somebody back to moving,because you want to establish
things that are based on what'simportant to them.
What are your goals?
What do you want out of this?
Because what we do as physicaltherapists we encourage you to
move, get up and do all the hardthings that are painful or
(07:06):
difficult in that moment, but ittakes your effort and your
motivation to participate and mygoal is try to keep you
motivated.
So, yeah, definitely, I'velearned so much.
It's been such a great careerand just learning about how to
appreciate humans and humannature and how things worked.
(07:27):
All for the good is a wonderfulthing, so yeah, that's
beautiful.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So you had a lot of years as a physical therapist.
So what sparked you into yoga?
What got your attention on yogaand even enough to pursue
becoming an instructor?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
My own health and wellness.
Definitely, this job takes alot of effort and work and
mobility on my end.
We learn how to transferpatients, get them out of bed,
so it's a lot of work on our end, so we have to really take good
care of ourselves in order tobe efficient on the job.
And then I really have a lovefor manual therapy and
(08:12):
pediatrics.
Both of those are my favoritespecialties in physical therapy,
and what comes with manualtherapy is you're going to see a
lot of people with chronic pain.
You're going to see a lot ofpeople with hip pain, back pain.
So I ended up teaching a lot ofexercises that had half the yoga
(08:32):
movements in them already and alot of Pilates exercises,
because there's a lot of coretraining and breathing is so
important and I wanted toinvestigate it more, because we
do understand the anatomy andthe physiology on this side of
the medical world, the Westernside but I wanted to dive in a
(08:55):
little bit more just tounderstand, and so I was really
intrigued with yoga and Istarted performing yoga myself
and I started seeing thebenefits and realizing oh man,
I'm gaining flexibility, I'mgaining strength, but not only
that my anxiety is decreasing.
You know, there's otherbenefits.
(09:16):
It's not just the physical side.
So it just made me want toresearch and learn more, and
then I ended up becomingcertified.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
That is pretty interesting because you've
already got that intensephysical therapy training and
then you get to use your bodywhen you work with your patients
.
And then to imagine thatanother discipline adds to what
you're doing, especially becauseyou're already athletic, you're
already active, that is kind ofinteresting.
(09:48):
It's kind of interesting.
So, as you started to kind ofcross that bridge, did that
start sparking certain questionswithin you and were there
certain things that you began towonder about?
And I mean, keep in mind, we'rethe Art of Healing podcast,
because we're pretty straightlist now.
We're going to get weird lateron because we're going to get
way into chakras, but we alwaysstart kind of Western a little
(10:10):
bit and then we get Easternwhere there's certain things, in
particular with you yeah, it'slaughing that you noticed as you
were learning this or some ofit, that was even a little like
I don't know, like maybe scaryif you were on started your yoga
journey.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I believe that I always knew that physical
therapy and I remember one of myprofessors telling me that
physical therapy is an art.
And I was like really, you knowit isn't an art.
You know I'm coming in with myscientific brain and I do
definitely have an artsy side tome, but I just never looked at
(10:46):
it that way initially until Iactually started working with
people and started realizing howcreative and how we as PTs we
see people every day and we getto find out about their lives,
what's going on.
We get to know.
They tell us some things thatthey won't share with anyone
else because we become part oftheir life while we're treating
(11:08):
them.
And so I knew that there wasalways this other side to
wellness that existed, that itwasn't just doing a certain set
of exercises and you're going tofeel better, that it had to be
more.
And, of course, I know thephysiological side, but there's
also that emotional, there'salso that mindset.
(11:31):
There's also that mindset and Ifeel that when I tapped into
more of the yoga practice, I waslike you know, there's just
more to this, and when you startinvolving the practice, in just
(11:55):
really sitting down, listeningto your body, listening to your
breathing patterns and findingout exactly where the pain could
be coming from, and realizingthat your body is really
intuitive to you if you wouldlisten.
I wanted to know more aboutthat and see how I can help
someone else find that forthemselves.
And I believe that movement ismedicine and I believe that also
(12:19):
it's empowering for anyone, andit doesn't matter how much
movement you have.
If you're able to move, yougain a sense of independence and
ability to move, you gain asense of independence and
ability.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
So I noticed on your Instagram you started I think
they're the car talks it's goingto be 40 days.
Yes, yes, I love that.
And you started right away inthe discussion of chronic pain
and I just I love that.
And you know you and I havetalked about chronic pain, the
journey of chronic pain.
(12:57):
Just give us sort of a rundownof your thoughts on chronic pain
, especially as you are startingyour yoga instructor practice,
and when it comes to chronicpain, you are going to be the
kind of the beginning, the end,the yeah.
Can you tell us about that?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Starting from.
I don't even remember when Ihad my first experience with
chronic pain.
It was probably prior toworking at Fort Stewart.
We run into a lot of chronicpain there due to the nature of
the military and what oursoldiers have to do.
And so understanding themechanism of pain and that is an
(13:38):
alarm system for our bodies,correct, and so it can keep
going and it remembers thattrauma, and that's been proven
in science and you can see it inactuality.
But encouraging people torecognize that your body is
telling you this, but I want youto look at it, see it, and I
(14:01):
want you to move it and tell meif it's broken.
And getting them to a point tobe functional is so empowering
for them and it's something thatneeds to be addressed because
it's so complex and it has somany different facets.
Correct, it has not only justthe physical portion, the mental
, emotional, but there arecaregivers and practitioners
(14:25):
that are ready to help peopleget to that point.
But sometimes I feel likeeverything gets so scattered
that people don't get what theyneed and they don't know how to
empower themselves and theydon't know what questions to ask
their physicians.
There's just so many questionsout there, so I feel that it's
(14:48):
an important topic because it'ssuch a big topic that affects
many people, because it doesn'tjust affect the person as we
know.
It affects their families, itaffects their friends, and so
providing information and evenjust practical knowledge like
have a list of questions thatyou want to ask and make sure
(15:11):
they're open-ended so that youcan really get information, find
sources and links that you canask about and ask your
physicians about that A lot ofpeople just go and think, okay,
well, they just told me what Ineeded to know, but I'm like you
could have asked more questions.
Sometimes the physicians areextremely busy and forget to
(15:35):
give you more.
So sometimes you have to bethat proactive person to ask,
and anybody that's involved inyour health ask, because the
person needs to understand thatthey are an individual and they
should be seen individually.
They're not in a certain box.
Know, this is your situation,this is your experience, and
what do you want?
What do you want to gain?
(15:56):
You know and that's why Iwanted to focus on chronic pain
I've learned that even throughyoga, through physical therapy,
through manual therapy, all ofit can help, but when you learn
how to move yourself, that'sgoing to be the most helpful,
but all those modalities areused to get you to where you can
(16:18):
be independent, if that makessense.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
That makes perfect sense, independent, if that
makes sense, that makes perfectsense.
So you said something, and so Iwill just be frankly honest,
because you're so, you're sosweet, guys, she's always been
so sweet.
I've known Dr Marsha, tara, foroh, 30-ish years.
She's so sweet, she's not goingto say it.
(16:42):
I'll say it.
Okay, when it comes to chronicpain, what happens?
Allopathic or Western medicinecan diagnose it Not always, but
can get to the diagnosis.
Modern medicine or allopathicmedicine can offer surgical
treatments, can offer medicaltreatments, but medications are
(17:03):
going to be band-aids.
You're just going to cover itup.
But for when people begin toidentify with chronic pain
meaning I've had pain for overthree months or six months and
the doctor is telling me thecause of the pain is gone.
Why am I still hurting?
That is a point that you areabandoned by modern medicine.
(17:24):
You are abandoned.
You are alone.
Unfortunately, we can calm thepain, we can quiet it out.
The scary things If there was acancer, we found it, we treated
(17:45):
it.
If there was an inflammation orsomething that was glued to
something else that wasn't there, we did surgery, removed it.
But now your body's telling yousomething.
So that's where Tara, dr Marsh,is inviting us to now get to
know that part of the body andeven move it.
And speaking of move, becauseyou are teaching yoga now you're
(18:08):
actually going to be offeringinstruction in person locally,
and then the biggest that I'm soexcited about is that you are
launching your YouTube channel,so you mind sharing with us some
about that.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Definitely, I will be providing information poses.
I'll be doing some of the flowson the YouTube.
I plan to develop an onlineplatform for online classes as
well.
Definitely getting exactly whatyou said out there Really
acknowledging your body, gettingit moving and alleviating your
(18:49):
pain.
Using active motion, awareness,breathing all of the above.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
That is wonderful.
That is wonderful.
So the way we'll do this,because Dr Marsh is busy, she's
practicing and she's teaching.
So what I'm going to do is I'mgoing to pressure her now to
come back on the podcast becauseespecially she gets into her
YouTube channel and things.
(19:25):
We want to make sure you allknow where to find her.
But if you'll see, in the chatthere's going to be a link that
takes you to a sign up page.
That's for my email list andthe email list is kind of the
most reliable way that wheneverthere's a podcast episode that
comes out, it goes out therefirst, and particularly for Dr
Marsh's contact, because all ofher contact info will go out in
(19:48):
an email.
And it's going to be over thenext few days.
We have a few minutes if anyonehas questions, because you've
got a doctor of physical therapyhere and a yoga instructor, If
you don't mind taking a fewquestions, Dr Marsh.
So maybe, even if you've gotlike a chronic pain somewhere,
you might want a little bit ofinsight about a chronic shoulder
pain.
You know, I'll tell you.
(20:10):
So I did my first physicaltherapy, Dr Marsh, when I
started to have some arthriticpain in my right shoulder and I
found it so fascinating once Iwent because we were working on
like breath and then differentposes and things, and then it
got me to thinking about, likewhat even made me hurt here.
(20:31):
It ended up being an arthritisin my AC joint, which I did
physical therapy to work thatout.
What would be your insight on?
Like a physician that getsarthritis in her right shoulder
Now I can kind of feel it whenit comes up and you know I'll
send a little Reiki to it I knowfor me, like if I'm midday
working I'm getting really woundup and stressed out.
(20:52):
It's like, and then theweather's changing.
It kind of like it like knockson the door, like hey, what's
your insight on that?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I would definitely look at how you're sitting in
front of your desk typing.
It could be a postural thing.
It could be how you react tostress.
Do you rely on that side of thebody more?
Yes, your muscles andeverything.
You're going to react that wayso it could be closing up that
shoulder joint.
Okay, it's also probably somepostural going on there.
(21:24):
If you're working at the deskquite a bit and at the computer
you're leaning forward more, youcould have some neck issues.
You're going into that flexingposition and staying there, so
those muscles are just stayingtight Over time.
Arthritis is mostly due tooveruse and just working in that
area, and so the good thing isto breathe, go into that
(21:48):
extension mode, open up thatjoint and take breaks.
Dr Charlize, you might need totake a few more breaks during
your day and allow yourself toreally stress that shoulder out.
Once again, your body's tellingyou.
You get stressed out, youtighten up here, everything over
(22:09):
here locks up.
I need you to take a moment atleast a few times out of the day
Breathe, open up, extend in,and that will relieve a lot of
those symptoms for you.
But once again, your body'stelling you what it needs.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I love that.
Yeah, you're exactly right,because once not that I believe
I was invincible, but once Iactually got the diagnosis of
arthritis, I had some feelingsabout it.
I was like I can get arthritis.
Am I going to get arthritis allover Old?
And then the one positive to itis that little arthritic spot
(22:47):
is this perfect weatherpredictor.
I used to remember like ourparents would talk about that,
and I think they're so old, butnow I'll feel that shoulder wake
up and it's like that weather'scoming.
So, Dr Marsh, can you remind uswhere we can find your social
media handles?
I have shared your Instagram,but can you just remind us the
(23:07):
best places to find you and bestway to get in contact with you
in case we have questions?
Yes, Yahwehmoveswellnesscom.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Also, yahweh Moves on YouTube.
I'll be available there, andMarsh Therapeutics is open and
ready.
So and that's on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Wonderful.
I would encourage all thepodcast listeners to tune in for
Dr Marsh's car talks.
They're so insightful.
I have really enjoyed them.
Okay, everyone.
So thank you so much forjoining us for a live recording
of the Art of Healing podcast.
I am Dr Charlize and I'm soappreciative for those of you
that join us live.
If, for any reason, you need tohop on or hop off, we
absolutely understand.
Of course we'll have questionand answers, and if you do have
(00:23):
a question, just put it in thechat, because we are recording
this for the podcast.
If you miss any part of this orif you have to hop off early,
the Art of Healing podcast willhave this episode go live and,
if everything goes fine, weshould be posting the episode on
Monday.
So nice to meet all of you.
Some of you I've met before.
Some of you I've known myentire life.
(00:44):
Some of you I've known in pastlives.
Yeah, I'm so excited.
So we'll go ahead and getstarted and then hopefully, I'll
be able to give a little teaserof a really cool group program
that is coming up.
So if we are all ready and DrMarsh, are you ready?
You ready, I'm ready, oh,perfect.
(01:13):
Dr Marsh is a world-travelingphysical therapist.
Dr Marsh claims Oklahoma Cityand DFW Metroplex as home.
She currently lives in Atlanta,georgia, and she works
full-time as a school-basedtherapist with Atlanta Public
Schools and as a small privatepractice that services early
intervention patients.
Tara received her Doctor ofScience in Physical Therapy from
Alabama State University.
(01:34):
She has practiced physicaltherapy since August of 2003, so
she's very experienced.
Tara has experience withtherapy in several settings in
her career.
With her initial start inoutpatient orthopedics, tara
continued her physical therapyjourney, practicing in school
(01:54):
districts, texas and GeorgiaArmy Base Force Steward, as well
as physical therapy in theWarrior in Transition Battalion,
or what's called WTB, aquatictherapy supervisor for the WTB.
In acute medicine.
She works with therapy abroadas a clinical supervisor and
(02:17):
skilled connections nonprofit,as a physical therapy board
member and volunteer.
Both organizations provideservices in the United States
and abroad.
Dr Tara Marsh received her RYT200-hour yoga instructor
certification in April of 2022through the Kaivela Yoga Method
(02:40):
and Mindful Purpose Institute.
She has been certified asexercise physiologist through
the Academy of Sports Medicineand is an aquatic therapist
through Aquatic TherapeuticInstitute or ATRIC.
Tara's main passion is toempower individuals to live a
fulfilled life and she finds joyin supporting families and
(03:03):
service members to promoteholistic health and wellness.
So I asked Dr Marsh to join usbecause she is in the midst of
launching her YouTube channel,and, in addition to her practice
, she is in the midst oflaunching her yoga instructor
practice, and so she's gettingready to really spread her
(03:24):
message out there.
She has got so much wonderfulinformation to share.
Dr Marsh, how are you?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I'm doing great.
Thank you for having me today.
So great to see you and hearyou Wonderful.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Can you remind us your YouTube channel and your
website, if you have those liveyet?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I'm currently working on the website.
It should be live by the end ofthe weekend.
Perfect, it'll be it'sYahweh-moveswellnesscom.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Okay For podcast listeners.
If you sign up for my emailnewsletter, I will have all of
her contact information that'llgo out there.
Can you share some about yourjourney in physical therapy and
what inspired you to pursuephysical therapy as a career?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I've always had a love of medicine and healthcare
and I was an athlete in highschool, fell in love with that
side of things.
So I thought, oh, sports,medicine and health that goes
together for me, and that's whathelped me pursue physical
therapy.
So once I got into physicaltherapy, I realized there were
(04:35):
different types of therapy thatyou can do.
It ranges from geriatrics allthe way to pediatrics, and I've
always loved children.
I thought I was going to staywith adults and sports medicine,
but somehow I ended up being onthe floor playing with children
.
So I have worked in everysetting and have enjoyed and
(04:56):
learned so much through eachexperience.
The important thing that I'velearned through this journey is
that functional outcomes arevery important.
Everybody wants a good qualityof life and if you can show them
how to get there, you just makethe world a little better.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
As a physician.
I think that what I've noticedin my time of practice is that
the amount that I end up leaningon physical therapists is
massive and I come to take itfor granted until something
really shocks us, like wait aminute, I just did a lot of
talking, but I wasn't the onethat got them moving.
(05:38):
That was the physical therapistthat moved and I just talked
about it.
You have practice in a lot ofsettings school districts,
military bases.
You've practiced in the UnitedStates and you've practiced
abroad.
So how has the diversity ofyour experience shaped your
approach to physical therapy?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It definitely makes you look at the person
completely, at the personcompletely.
It changes your mindset andhelps you even eliminate some of
your biases that you might have.
It will make you ask yourselfam I looking at this completely
as the person?
Because you do have to takeinto consideration that person's
(06:21):
culture.
You got to take intoconsideration what that person
is telling you.
You become a better listener,become more of an active
listener when you work indifferent settings, especially
different, even different cities, because the culture of one
city or one town is completelydifferent than another.
What's important to one personwill not be important to the
(06:44):
other based off of their familydynamic.
Those things are reallyimportant when you're trying to
get somebody back to moving,because you want to establish
things that are based on what'simportant to them.
What are your goals?
What do you want out of this?
Because what we do as physicaltherapists we encourage you to
move, get up and do all the hardthings that are painful or
(07:06):
difficult in that moment, but ittakes your effort and your
motivation to participate and mygoal is try to keep you
motivated.
So, yeah, definitely, I'velearned so much.
It's been such a great careerand just learning about how to
appreciate humans and humannature and how things worked.
(07:27):
All for the good is a wonderfulthing, so yeah, that's
beautiful.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So you had a lot of years as a physical therapist.
So what sparked you into yoga?
What got your attention on yogaand even enough to pursue
becoming an instructor?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
My own health and wellness.
Definitely, this job takes alot of effort and work and
mobility on my end.
We learn how to transferpatients, get them out of bed,
so it's a lot of work on our end, so we have to really take good
care of ourselves in order tobe efficient on the job.
And then I really have a lovefor manual therapy and
(08:12):
pediatrics.
Both of those are my favoritespecialties in physical therapy,
and what comes with manualtherapy is you're going to see a
lot of people with chronic pain.
You're going to see a lot ofpeople with hip pain, back pain.
So I ended up teaching a lot ofexercises that had half the yoga
(08:32):
movements in them already and alot of Pilates exercises,
because there's a lot of coretraining and breathing is so
important and I wanted toinvestigate it more, because we
do understand the anatomy andthe physiology on this side of
the medical world, the Westernside but I wanted to dive in a
(08:55):
little bit more just tounderstand, and so I was really
intrigued with yoga and Istarted performing yoga myself
and I started seeing thebenefits and realizing oh man,
I'm gaining flexibility, I'mgaining strength, but not only
that my anxiety is decreasing.
You know, there's otherbenefits.
(09:16):
It's not just the physical side.
So it just made me want toresearch and learn more, and
then I ended up becomingcertified.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
That is pretty interesting because you've
already got that intensephysical therapy training and
then you get to use your bodywhen you work with your patients
.
And then to imagine thatanother discipline adds to what
you're doing, especially becauseyou're already athletic, you're
already active, that is kind ofinteresting.
(09:48):
It's kind of interesting.
So, as you started to kind ofcross that bridge, did that
start sparking certain questionswithin you and were there
certain things that you began towonder about?
And I mean, keep in mind, we'rethe Art of Healing podcast,
because we're pretty straightlist now.
We're going to get weird lateron because we're going to get
way into chakras, but we alwaysstart kind of Western a little
(10:10):
bit and then we get Easternwhere there's certain things, in
particular with you yeah, it'slaughing that you noticed as you
were learning this or some ofit, that was even a little like
I don't know, like maybe scaryif you were on started your yoga
journey.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I believe that I always knew that physical
therapy and I remember one of myprofessors telling me that
physical therapy is an art.
And I was like really, you knowit isn't an art.
You know I'm coming in with myscientific brain and I do
definitely have an artsy side tome, but I just never looked at
(10:46):
it that way initially until Iactually started working with
people and started realizing howcreative and how we as PTs we
see people every day and we getto find out about their lives,
what's going on.
We get to know.
They tell us some things thatthey won't share with anyone
else because we become part oftheir life while we're treating
(11:08):
them.
And so I knew that there wasalways this other side to
wellness that existed, that itwasn't just doing a certain set
of exercises and you're going tofeel better, that it had to be
more.
And, of course, I know thephysiological side, but there's
also that emotional, there'salso that mindset.
(11:31):
There's also that mindset and Ifeel that when I tapped into
more of the yoga practice, I waslike you know, there's just
more to this, and when you startinvolving the practice, in just
(11:55):
really sitting down, listeningto your body, listening to your
breathing patterns and findingout exactly where the pain could
be coming from, and realizingthat your body is really
intuitive to you if you wouldlisten.
I wanted to know more aboutthat and see how I can help
someone else find that forthemselves.
And I believe that movement ismedicine and I believe that also
(12:19):
it's empowering for anyone, andit doesn't matter how much
movement you have.
If you're able to move, yougain a sense of independence and
ability to move, you gain asense of independence and
ability.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
So I noticed on your Instagram you started I think
they're the car talks it's goingto be 40 days.
Yes, yes, I love that.
And you started right away inthe discussion of chronic pain
and I just I love that.
And you know you and I havetalked about chronic pain, the
journey of chronic pain.
(12:57):
Just give us sort of a rundownof your thoughts on chronic pain
, especially as you are startingyour yoga instructor practice,
and when it comes to chronicpain, you are going to be the
kind of the beginning, the end,the yeah.
Can you tell us about that?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Starting from.
I don't even remember when Ihad my first experience with
chronic pain.
It was probably prior toworking at Fort Stewart.
We run into a lot of chronicpain there due to the nature of
the military and what oursoldiers have to do.
And so understanding themechanism of pain and that is an
(13:38):
alarm system for our bodies,correct, and so it can keep
going and it remembers thattrauma, and that's been proven
in science and you can see it inactuality.
But encouraging people torecognize that your body is
telling you this, but I want youto look at it, see it, and I
(14:01):
want you to move it and tell meif it's broken.
And getting them to a point tobe functional is so empowering
for them and it's something thatneeds to be addressed because
it's so complex and it has somany different facets.
Correct, it has not only justthe physical portion, the mental
, emotional, but there arecaregivers and practitioners
(14:25):
that are ready to help peopleget to that point.
But sometimes I feel likeeverything gets so scattered
that people don't get what theyneed and they don't know how to
empower themselves and theydon't know what questions to ask
their physicians.
There's just so many questionsout there, so I feel that it's
(14:48):
an important topic because it'ssuch a big topic that affects
many people, because it doesn'tjust affect the person as we
know.
It affects their families, itaffects their friends, and so
providing information and evenjust practical knowledge like
have a list of questions thatyou want to ask and make sure
(15:11):
they're open-ended so that youcan really get information, find
sources and links that you canask about and ask your
physicians about that A lot ofpeople just go and think, okay,
well, they just told me what Ineeded to know, but I'm like you
could have asked more questions.
Sometimes the physicians areextremely busy and forget to
(15:35):
give you more.
So sometimes you have to bethat proactive person to ask,
and anybody that's involved inyour health ask, because the
person needs to understand thatthey are an individual and they
should be seen individually.
They're not in a certain box.
Know, this is your situation,this is your experience, and
what do you want?
What do you want to gain?
(15:56):
You know and that's why Iwanted to focus on chronic pain
I've learned that even throughyoga, through physical therapy,
through manual therapy, all ofit can help, but when you learn
how to move yourself, that'sgoing to be the most helpful,
but all those modalities areused to get you to where you can
(16:18):
be independent, if that makessense.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
That makes perfect sense, independent, if that
makes sense, that makes perfectsense.
So you said something, and so Iwill just be frankly honest,
because you're so, you're sosweet, guys, she's always been
so sweet.
I've known Dr Marsha, tara, foroh, 30-ish years.
She's so sweet, she's not goingto say it.
(16:42):
I'll say it.
Okay, when it comes to chronicpain, what happens?
Allopathic or Western medicinecan diagnose it Not always, but
can get to the diagnosis.
Modern medicine or allopathicmedicine can offer surgical
treatments, can offer medicaltreatments, but medications are
(17:03):
going to be band-aids.
You're just going to cover itup.
But for when people begin toidentify with chronic pain
meaning I've had pain for overthree months or six months and
the doctor is telling me thecause of the pain is gone.
Why am I still hurting?
That is a point that you areabandoned by modern medicine.
(17:24):
You are abandoned.
You are alone.
Unfortunately, we can calm thepain, we can quiet it out.
The scary things If there was acancer, we found it, we treated
(17:45):
it.
If there was an inflammation orsomething that was glued to
something else that wasn't there, we did surgery, removed it.
But now your body's telling yousomething.
So that's where Tara, dr Marsh,is inviting us to now get to
know that part of the body andeven move it.
And speaking of move, becauseyou are teaching yoga now you're
(18:08):
actually going to be offeringinstruction in person locally,
and then the biggest that I'm soexcited about is that you are
launching your YouTube channel,so you mind sharing with us some
about that.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Definitely, I will be providing information poses.
I'll be doing some of the flowson the YouTube.
I plan to develop an onlineplatform for online classes as
well.
Definitely getting exactly whatyou said out there Really
acknowledging your body, gettingit moving and alleviating your
(18:49):
pain.
Using active motion, awareness,breathing all of the above.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
That is wonderful.
That is wonderful.
So the way we'll do this,because Dr Marsh is busy, she's
practicing and she's teaching.
So what I'm going to do is I'mgoing to pressure her now to
come back on the podcast becauseespecially she gets into her
YouTube channel and things.
(19:25):
We want to make sure you allknow where to find her.
But if you'll see, in the chatthere's going to be a link that
takes you to a sign up page.
That's for my email list andthe email list is kind of the
most reliable way that wheneverthere's a podcast episode that
comes out, it goes out therefirst, and particularly for Dr
Marsh's contact, because all ofher contact info will go out in
(19:48):
an email.
And it's going to be over thenext few days.
We have a few minutes if anyonehas questions, because you've
got a doctor of physical therapyhere and a yoga instructor, If
you don't mind taking a fewquestions, Dr Marsh.
So maybe, even if you've gotlike a chronic pain somewhere,
you might want a little bit ofinsight about a chronic shoulder
pain.
You know, I'll tell you.
(20:10):
So I did my first physicaltherapy, Dr Marsh, when I
started to have some arthriticpain in my right shoulder and I
found it so fascinating once Iwent because we were working on
like breath and then differentposes and things, and then it
got me to thinking about, likewhat even made me hurt here.
(20:31):
It ended up being an arthritisin my AC joint, which I did
physical therapy to work thatout.
What would be your insight on?
Like a physician that getsarthritis in her right shoulder
Now I can kind of feel it whenit comes up and you know I'll
send a little Reiki to it I knowfor me, like if I'm midday
working I'm getting really woundup and stressed out.
(20:52):
It's like, and then theweather's changing.
It kind of like it like knockson the door, like hey, what's
your insight on that?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I would definitely look at how you're sitting in
front of your desk typing.
It could be a postural thing.
It could be how you react tostress.
Do you rely on that side of thebody more?
Yes, your muscles andeverything.
You're going to react that wayso it could be closing up that
shoulder joint.
Okay, it's also probably somepostural going on there.
(21:24):
If you're working at the deskquite a bit and at the computer
you're leaning forward more, youcould have some neck issues.
You're going into that flexingposition and staying there, so
those muscles are just stayingtight Over time.
Arthritis is mostly due tooveruse and just working in that
area, and so the good thing isto breathe, go into that
(21:48):
extension mode, open up thatjoint and take breaks.
Dr Charlize, you might need totake a few more breaks during
your day and allow yourself toreally stress that shoulder out.
Once again, your body's tellingyou.
You get stressed out, youtighten up here, everything over
(22:09):
here locks up.
I need you to take a moment atleast a few times out of the day
Breathe, open up, extend in,and that will relieve a lot of
those symptoms for you.
But once again, your body'stelling you what it needs.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I love that.
Yeah, you're exactly right,because once not that I believe
I was invincible, but once Iactually got the diagnosis of
arthritis, I had some feelingsabout it.
I was like I can get arthritis.
Am I going to get arthritis allover Old?
And then the one positive to itis that little arthritic spot
(22:47):
is this perfect weatherpredictor.
I used to remember like ourparents would talk about that,
and I think they're so old, butnow I'll feel that shoulder wake
up and it's like that weather'scoming.
So, Dr Marsh, can you remind uswhere we can find your social
media handles?
I have shared your Instagram,but can you just remind us the
(23:07):
best places to find you and bestway to get in contact with you
in case we have questions?
Yes, Yahwehmoveswellnesscom.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Also, yahweh Moves on YouTube.
I'll be available there, andMarsh Therapeutics is open and
ready.
So and that's on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Wonderful.
I would encourage all thepodcast listeners to tune in for
Dr Marsh's car talks.
They're so insightful.
I have really enjoyed them.
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