March 10, 2025 • 29 mins
Dr. Charlyce welcomes pediatrician Dr. Jihan to discuss how integrative and functional medicine approaches revolutionize pediatric care. Dr. Jihan shares her personal journey into holistic medicine, which began when her infant son's severe eczema led her to discover the powerful connection between gut health, nutrition, and overall wellness.
Dr. Jihan works with clients worldwide in her online practice where you can learn more here:
• Dr. Jihan's personal experience with her son's severe food allergies sparked her interest in integrative medicine
• Modern children are nutrient-deprived, with widespread vitamin D deficiency contributing to depression, anxiety and emotional dysregulation
• Environmental factors like glyphosate exposure through water systems can cause mysterious symptoms in children
• Excessive screen time creates dopamine addiction cycles that severely impact children's behavior and emotional regulation
• Many ADHD diagnoses may be symptoms of poor sleep, nutritional deficiencies, or excessive screen usage
• Dr. Jihan prescribes outdoor time, structured routines, and mindfulness techniques before considering medications
• For aggression issues, she investigates potential mineral imbalances, parasites, and teaches emotion regulation skills
• Children who don't learn to regulate emotions young may struggle with employment and relationships as adults
If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a rating and check the show notes for Dr. Jihan's contact information at drjihan.com, where you can learn about her consultations, courses, and podcasts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the Art of Healing podcast.
This is Dr Charlize, and thankyou, as always, for joining me
for today's episode.
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(00:23):
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information For today's episode.
I am so excited to welcome apersonal friend and what I think
(00:47):
is a dynamic, innovative andamazing pediatrician, young
physician who is definitely atthe head of what's coming in
medicine and holistic healing,and she definitely walks the
walk as she talks.
The talk, I think, is how I'mtrying to see it.
(01:11):
I would like to introduce you toDr Noor-Jeehan Abdul-Haq.
She is a board certifiedpediatrician who is a native of
Oklahoma.
She attended Carl Albert HighSchool and then the Oklahoma
School of Science andMathematics, where she graduated
top of her class.
She went on to study at SpelmanCollege, where she graduated
(01:33):
magna laude and earned herbachelor's degree in
biochemistry.
She attended Morehouse Schoolof Medicine and she has also
done training all around theworld, including in the
Dominican Republic, as shecompleted her MD degree in 2008.
She is the founder and owner ofPeace of Mind Pediatrics, where
(01:54):
she provides holistic healingto pediatric patients.
She not only does one-to-onevisits, but she also offers
training in mindfulness, whichshe is offering in her various
platforms.
She has a podcast where sheprovides wonderful free
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education to her patients in hercommunity, and she is a mother
of three beautiful children.
So I'm so excited that we'llhave Dr Jihan on our podcast,
because she's just a wealth ofresources.
She's going to talk to us abouthow she talks to her patients,
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about integrating.
What we know in this communityis to be functional medicine,
mindfulness, integrativemedicine with pediatrics, with
our kids, and I feel like thatis the most important place to
do it, to set that foundation,to raise children mindfully and
peacefully, especially duringthis time.
(02:55):
So we don't always feel thatway.
All right, let's get started.
Hello, and thank you so much forjoining us for this episode of
the Art of Healing podcast.
I have a very special guest andthis woman's very busy, so to
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be able to have her on the show.
I'm completely honored and I'mso happy she could carve out
some time with us to share herwisdom.
So, listeners, let me introduceDr Jihan.
So Dr Jihan is, this woman's arenegade.
She's an engineer, she is amother, she is a practicing
pediatrician.
(03:36):
I believe she's superwoman.
I don't know if she has a cape.
I think she has like a batsignal that she shines because I
don't know how she doeseverything she does.
Has like a bat signal that sheshines because I don't know how
she does everything she does.
So, dr Jihan, I'm so happy thatshe had time to be on with us
and I really wanted to share herknowledge.
She's full of knowledge aboutraising children, especially in
(03:58):
today's times when the world isso tumultuous and, to me,
doesn't look very kid friendly.
So she shares a lot of this onher Instagram.
She shares a lot of this withher community.
So I'm so grateful, dr Jihan,that you could be with us today.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it so.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I wanted to share with our audience what inspired
you to incorporate integrativeand functional medicine into
your practice, because you'realready busy enough.
So what got you going withwanting to go further and do
more and provide more lovingcare for your patients?
(04:38):
What inspired that?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I think I've always had an interest in integrative
medicine.
My father actually is aphysician and worked the Indian
health service system and soearly on, like we did learn a
little bit about like someNative American healing
practices and things like that,and so I've always had an
interest and so and we use a lotof natural remedies and things
(05:00):
growing up.
So it's always been in there.
But my son my youngest he hadsevere food allergies even
though I was breastfeeding.
So at three months old hiseczema was so bad he will call
it eczema quite then but it wasso bad that he would bleed or he
would rub his face on people'sshirts and they'd leave blood on
them.
And it's very embarrassing,right Walking around with this
(05:22):
kid who's just has this horriblerash.
And then I was finally able tofind someone who would test him
and found the foods he wassensitive to and that I removed
those from my diet.
So I was dairy-free,gluten-free, nut-free and
egg-free for almost two yearsand I was very sleep-deprived
because it was hard to feed himbecause you know, and so he
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really did rely a lot on mybreast milk and he didn't sleep
very well because he was anitchy baby.
And even after we figured outthe foods, it took a while to
try to get him just back towhere he should be.
So that's where I actuallyfound an integrative medicine
practitioner here locally and westarted to do some gut healing
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and as we started to do that hewasn't as itchy, he started to
sleep a little bit better and Iwas able to get a little bit of
relief.
But then I also realized howgreat I felt being gluten-free
and dairy-free, and so it mademe kind of start going down that
road of why do I feel so muchbetter?
What's in our foods?
What are you know?
What's kind of going on?
(06:26):
And so I started to go todifferent summits and different
things and just learning aboutintegrative medicine and I
didn't really have the time todo the full integrative medicine
three-year fellowship oranything like that.
And so I was fortunate to findthere's an academy of pediatric
integrated medicine.
They offered a one-yearfellowship, which is a brief
it's a mini fellowship, right soyou didn't leave with a full
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certification, but I took thatand was able to learn a lot.
And then I do a lot of psychwork and a lot of my patients
come from hospitals with tons ofmedicines and I just felt like
we were kind of failing thesekids because we were just giving
them medicines and then theywere developing other things and
I just felt like we just aren'tgetting to the root of what the
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problem is.
And so I started taking a lotof functional medicine courses
on psychiatry.
That's actually where I startedto get into.
Functional medicine was throughpsychiatry.
It's just completely changedthe way that I practice and in
my approach to health andwellness.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I don't think I knew that part of your story about
your son being affected.
Breastfeeding is the way to go,but so your son ended up
manifesting symptoms.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I'm like, oh my gosh, because it was affecting you
and you know, I'll be honestwith you, he wouldn't take a
lick of formula no, I'm notgoing to act like I didn't try,
because when I was like how canI do all of that, like, no, I'm
not going to act like I didn'ttry because when I was like how
can I do all of?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
that Like, yeah, I'm going to eat.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I have some restrictions to my diet, just
anyhow, you know, and so, but hewouldn't take.
We tried everything, hewouldn't take any of it.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh my gosh.
Okay, so you're with yourbecause already you practice
pediatrics and you see a lot ofchildren and then, in your
pursuit to help them get to theroot cause, you started
approaching it from the mentalhealth aspect and I know that
the mental health coaching is apart of your practice as mental
(08:17):
health I mean well, because youare, you practice, you practice
pretty much psychiatric care andpediatrics essentially, but you
have that mental healthcoaching with the kids.
Can you share some drops ofwisdom, because you shared a lot
with me, but some drops ofwisdom with how you approach
some of these kids.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, I try to, you know.
So this is my online practice,drjihancom, and what I try to do
with that is really approacheach child individually, because
I think that previously wewould say, oh, you do this, so
this is the treatment.
So, for the coaching clients,those are people obviously not
in my state, so I'm not able todo medications or give concrete
(08:58):
medical advice, but ratherrecommendations.
But when I work with thesefamilies, we're looking at the
whole social environment, right,what's happening in the home,
what's their sleep, how muchexercise are they getting?
What are they eating, and thengiving recommendations just on
that.
Right, starting with that, andthen we may end up needing some
(09:18):
recommendations for labs thatthey may want to ask to get, and
or supplements, because what Ihave found is that our children
are nutrient deprived and it'sbecause of what we're eating, so
what you and I grew up eatingis just very different.
So our children?
They don't go outside, sothey're all vitamin D deficient
and that vitamin D deficiency isleading to increased depression
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and anxiety and otherbehavioral outbursts, emotional
dysregulation, right Just off ofthat.
Then many are also anemicbecause they're not eating those
foods anymore.
They're eating highly processedfoods and they're not taking
vitamins or anything tosupplement that.
So when you put anemia on it,you also get mood disorders and
other things in that situationand also lack of focus.
(10:02):
So some of these childrenthey're like, oh, they got ADHD.
I'm like, do they have ADHD?
Or do they have poor sleep?
They're vitamin D deficient,they're anemic, et cetera Some
other things you know.
Obviously I learned through mytraining or certain other
deficiencies even lead toaggression.
When you look at the copperzinc ratios, you know, and so.
(10:23):
I implemented some of thosethings.
I'm realizing our children areexposed to toxins, right.
So, depending on where you live, your water may have more of
something than someone else, oryou may eat something all the
time that increases some ofthose toxic levels just because
of the nature of how our food isproduced and where we live
especially in Oklahoma, there'sa lot of farmland, different
(10:44):
things.
So some of my patients areexposed to glycophosphate
regularly just because it'scoming into their water system
right From the farm and door.
So even though you know theparents may try to do other
things, they don't realize thechild is directly affected, even
playing in the outside in theyard.
You mean well.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, I have wondered about that.
Now you're saying the thingsI've been asking but I was
afraid to ask about.
Maybe it wasn't my business?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I don't know, but they come in with these weird
rashes, increase other symptoms,chronic hives, things like that
, these right yard if you can'troll around the yard.
You know.
I asked a lot of thosequestions, some of the parents
who've made some of thosechanges.
The child symptoms have goneaway.
Now could it just becoincidence?
It might be, but I I don't know.
I mean, if you spray toxins ina yard, I just don't see how
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they don't affect.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
How it affects your beard.
Chuck, oh my gosh.
So for, because we and Ipractice with adults.
So, of course, hearing yourtake on this is a pediatrician's
gold to me, because I don't.
This is not anything I get aluxury of, so with the, what I'm
hearing is like increased ratesof ADHD and depression and
aggression.
And so what I'm hearing andwhat I'm taught is that it just
(12:01):
happens, it just happens.
But you're saying that itdoesn't just happen, that
something changed.
It's a change like in our foodsupply, something fundamental.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So that's definitely a role.
Our food is definitely a role,but the other biggest thing is
social media and computer usageand tablets.
That's the biggest issue.
When I talk, I literally detox.
I use the term detox when Idetox children from their
devices and their dopaminesurges.
Right, because it's instantgratification and people have to
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understand that if all day longyou're getting gratified, then
of course you want to stay onthat thing.
It makes you feel really good.
It's just like a kid who wantsto eat candy all day.
It's the same increase in ourdopamine right.
If we detox off of it, you oftenwill see a better child, a
child who is able to regulatetheir emotions a little bit
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better.
And I mean, I see so manypeople for evaluations for
behavior problems and all I dois take away tablets.
I tell people I make money offof tablets.
So just taking away the tabletsand the phones, so a detox,
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then it helps you regulate thata little bit better.
You know we don't want tocreate, but you're like, but I
was about to win, so like.
We have a rule, like in myhouse, where it's like and I'm
like, I think it's about timefor you to get off, and they say
okay, well, this game will endin two minutes.
Can I have two more minutes?
Yes, you may.
Okay, when that's over, you'redone.
Even if you're going to theplayoffs in NBA 2K, I don't care
(13:55):
, you can go to the playoffstomorrow, right?
You have to learn thatregulation, because the real
life doesn't work like this.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
So I don't have kids myself, but my nephew had come
to stay with me when he's 13.
When he came to our house, thefirst thing he asked me was for
screen time limits.
I scratched my head and I justgenerated a number.
I was like ah, two hours, andso he followed it.
So I poked around.
Later he told me, and he toldme that my time allotment was
(14:29):
generous, so he assumed it wason vacation.
That was a generous timeallotment.
I was like cool aunt score, noidea, and that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I love that.
Other people you know Iencourage them to do this all
the time.
Right, and we just didn't havethese things growing up.
We did not Like.
I shared today with a childshe's 15 and she was like oh, I
cannot sleep.
What time do you get off yourphone, can you imagine at 15,
and she was like oh, I cannotsleep.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
What time do you get off your phone?
Can you imagine, at 15, at thatage, in that stage of hormonal
development, your body isdemanding sleep.
You must sleep, yes, and shecan't sleep.
Oh, what is that?
I can't even because you knowit's well.
Of course, you know better thanme, but you know the brain's
developing no-transcript.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I don't think people really got.
They really haven't gotten backand I actually see a lot of
families now homeschool, whichis fine.
I was homeschooled, but when Itell you, we were outside every
day, we had all the activitiesyou know, know so, but now
they're like in the house allday.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
They might go outside three days a week yeah, so
imagine so, so at the home, andI'm not so with homeschooling,
because they're they're doingall their education at home.
But from what you're saying,that we're going to lose that
socialization part because we'renot in a school setting, and
then we're OK, and then we'rerunning Some of them do co-ops
(16:42):
right, oh, ok, then you'll getthat socialization.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
But I keep seeing families that don't.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
They only just stay at home, Only stay at home, so
we're losing the socializing andthen the going outside.
So you have to be very mindful.
Sounds like very, verypurposeful about getting around
that.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yes, and so for my clients and patients, I
prescribe exercise and Iprescribe time outdoors, and I,
you know those are things thatare part of your prescription.
So what time are you going togo outside Time are you going?
You know we're going to breakthese things down, so that's not
just a oh, she said, to gooutside.
No, no, no.
What time each day are yougoing?
You know we're gonna breakthese things down, so that's not
just oh, she said, to gooutside.
No, no, no.
(17:20):
What time each day are yougoing to go outside?
and what are you going to dooutside?
Do you have a dog?
Do you want to jump rope?
I mean whatever?
Like being very intentional,and so for, like, homeschool
families, I have them put itinto their daily schedule.
So, whatever their class need,to put that into their schedule
as well.
Okay, okay, oh, that's smartOkay.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So you have your practice and then you have your
coaching practice.
You touch on some of this, butwhat are the strategies that you
are employing with yourchildren, with your patients or
clients, especially pertainingto aggression and anger, that
you are employing with yourchildren, with your patients or
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clients, especially pertainingto aggression and anger, because
you mentioned that to me a fewweeks ago about the anger
component and it wasmind-blowing.
So do you mind sharing somemore with that, because
especially anger is such anuncomfortable emotion.
And then with kids, and then,to be frank, if the children are
of color, it's gettingdangerous.
So can you share with us someabout like that approach,
(18:24):
approaching aggression and anger, because you had shared me some
deep wisdom about what thatcould mean in a kid.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Right.
So I like to see what the rootcause may be, and for some
children I kind of alluded to ita little bit before it's an
imbalance of minerals and thingslike that Funny story they used
to put lithium in our 7-Up backin the day.
I know that.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
To calm us.
How recently was that Sorry?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I think they took it out in the 80s.
I believe I think they took itout in the 80s.
I believe I think they took itout in the 80s.
I want to I need to doublecheck that, but it's very
interesting to learn and sothere are people like doing
research on that.
But it was.
It was used to kind of calm usdown, so funny, like what other
things might have been around.
But I think that when you kindof can look at what is
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triggering the anger, what mightbe triggering the aggression,
and like, for instance,yesterday I had a little girl
she is the cutest little girland she's real petite and small
Right, and she will destroy herwhole classroom.
She's only six.
She'll destroy the wholeclassroom and I'm like when you
look at it you're like there'sno way she could do that.
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And then they show me the video.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And I'm like, oh, this is like anger episodes that
this is happening, or Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And what part of what triggers it is not getting her
way.
So of course, we're workingvery hard with the family to
also not always give her her way, right, because we have to put
that restriction in everywhereshe is so that she doesn't flip
out because the school can'tgive you your way, right.
So that's one of the thingsthat we've been working on.
But the other thing is justrespect for adults, right?
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Some of these kids want to testthem because they may see
somebody else do it, or it'stheir only opportunity because
they watched it on a YouTubevideo.
They pranking people, all kindsof stuff, right?
These kids love pranking peoplebecause they love watching
these prank videos.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Oh, that's horrible.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Didn't know this, okay, oh yeah, and they often
end poorly.
And so you know little thingslike that.
But also, how, I mean, are yougetting sleep?
Because you can't regulate youremotions when you don't sleep
well, when you're tired andcranky, right.
And then we're also focusing onwhat can you do before you
react, you know.
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So that's where deep breathingcomes in mindfulness, other
things that we're adding intothe picture, even little kids,
teaching them little breath,things that they can do or ways
that they can, you know, help,you know, stimulate that vagus
nerve, other things to help,hopefully, calm themselves.
And so those are some of thethings that we talk.
I talk to parents a lot about.
I also use supplements.
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I try to use supplements.
First.
I use some Chinese herbs,different things.
Very rarely do I actually haveto use medications.
I may have two, maybe, who haveto use medications right now,
which is very minimalconsidering the number of
children I have who have reallybad anger issues.
But I've even done detoxes onsome of these kids.
Not everybody needs a detox,but some children do or a
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parasitic cleanse I know thatsounds so weird, right, I was
always like parasite.
What are y'all talking about?
Until all these kids startedacting a fool at the new moon
and I was like Just tell me,yeah, right.
And then when I just did somebasic labs to see if they're
anemic, their eosinophils arehigh I'm like, okay, maybe there
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is something to this, right.
So one of my patients I saw himactually this week.
He's so much better after we'vedone that parasitic cleanse.
But I don't recommend peoplejust doing these things because
you can cause harm, especiallyto children.
You have to be under theguidance of somebody who knows
what they're doing, becauseevery time you remove something
it's also taking good stuff too.
So you have to know how toreplenish, how to do all these
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things, and not just you knowwhatever you saw on TikTok and
just buy it.
Kids are not little adults.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Speaking of the guidance we've got folks that
are part of the community fromall over the world.
Do you want to share with usabout your website, drjihancom,
and if you are accepting clientsand what kind of resources are
available to work with you?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, so I am accepting a few clients right
now in terms of resources.
I actually do integrativemedicine for other things too.
I love doing it for asthma,food allergies obviously because
that was my son gut healthissues, autism, different things
, and so I do a lot of mentalhealth, but I also do a lot of
work with those things, and sothey can just put in a request
(23:06):
on my website for consultations,et cetera.
I do charge for consultationsbecause all of my time is very
valuable, but they're veryreasonably priced.
Some people say too low, andthen people can purchase
sessions with me where we reallyjust kind of get to the root.
For my online clients, I have avery long list of information
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that I obtained from them sothat I can better understand,
even from birth, what hashappened with this child, so
that I can better make a planand help them to be able to, you
know, ask their practitionerfor more advice and or, you know
, use some of therecommendations that might be
there.
So we try to go back to wherewe used to be.
So we try to go back to wherewe used to be, and the reality
(23:53):
is that people have been healingthemselves and societies for
centuries, and medications oftenare important and needed, but
they're not typically the firstline that we need to use and
there are so many other thingsthat we can try first before we
necessarily have to go to thosethings.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And and I'll say for my son people are amazed when
they see him, because he doesn'teven have eczema.
Yeah yeah, I figured youtotally resolved it once you did
, because that was a lot whileyou're breastfeeding.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, but I mean then the gut, when we healed his gut
.
Now sometimes he still has somegut issues, but it's because
he'll he'll sneak some stuffthat I'm like I think you're
still sensitive to, probablywith his friends, exactly, and
so then we have to kind of goback right.
But when we do that, then hedoes much better.
But, just like with any parents, it's hard to convince your
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kids to get on board, and wedon't want to force them because
sometimes they won't doanything, and so we have to be
strategic in that approach.
And so I actually will soon beworking with a functional
medicine coach who is trained tobetter help ease people into
these plans and follow up withthem to make sure that they're
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doing what they need to do,because sometimes, you know, I
have a lot of time.
Like what?
Speaker 1 (25:18):
So for the listeners in your show notes, I will make
sure to send you Dr Jihan'scontact as far as her website.
What is the best way to learnmore about you just so they hear
it while they're listening tothe podcast and the best way to
reach you and to learn aboutyour courses, blog and podcast?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
So all of that's on drjihancom actually.
So the podcast is there, theinquiries, a lot about me, and I
have a video actuallyexplaining what made me want to
get into integrative medicineand kind of how I approach
patients.
I'm on Instagram as Dr Jihanunderscore MD muscle on Facebook
, dr Jihan.
I'm on TikTok too.
(25:59):
I don't even know my handle, Ithink it's just Dr Jihan.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I think it's Dr Jihan , because I watch your TikToks
too.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Dr Jihan, I try to respond, you know, but I don't
spend a ton of time on it.
But the goal is just to try tohopefully share more information
, debunk myths and things andjust kind of, you know, make
sure people understand that.
You know, if we take the timeout to make children healthier,
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then we will see a differenttrajectory of their lives Right.
Then we will see a differenttrajectory of their lives right,
Not just their physical health,their mental health, their
future careers, theiropportunities to be employed.
Because I use this analogy Ifyou don't learn how to regulate
your emotions when you're youngor a teenager, what happens when
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you get your first job and yourboss tells you to go do
something that you don't want todo?
Not going to end well, andthat's what, unfortunately, what
I'm seeing in my young adultpatients, because I see up to 21
in my practice and so many ofthem are not employed or go from
job to job to job to jobbecause they haven't learned
that.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So now we're actually working on learning these
skills as a young adult, so itwas just such a pleasure to have
you and your wisdom on.
You know, when I'm creatingthis podcast, one of my goals
was to share as much of what Ican't offer, and you brought
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just a huge a ton of informationconcerning the most important
part of us, which is ourchildren.
So I'm I'm so grateful from thebottom of my heart.
Thank you for being a guest onthe podcast.
Thank you so much.
Listeners, when you check yourshow notes, I will make sure
that you have every way to findDr Jihan and if you are in a
(27:55):
place where you cannot get toyour show notes, if you sign up
for my email list, I will beemailing out all of her details
her contact information.
She has courses you can enrollin and how to learn to work with
her if you're not locally.
Thank you so much, dr.
Jihan Thank you so much, drJihan.
(28:17):
Thank you so much, I appreciateit.
Thank you so much.
Hello and welcome to the Art of Healing podcast.
This is Dr Charlize, and thankyou, as always, for joining me
for today's episode.
Before we get into the episode,if you are listening on your
favorite podcast app or download, I would like to request that
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information For today's episode.
I am so excited to welcome apersonal friend and what I think
(00:47):
is a dynamic, innovative andamazing pediatrician, young
physician who is definitely atthe head of what's coming in
medicine and holistic healing,and she definitely walks the
walk as she talks.
The talk, I think, is how I'mtrying to see it.
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I would like to introduce you toDr Noor-Jeehan Abdul-Haq.
She is a board certifiedpediatrician who is a native of
Oklahoma.
She attended Carl Albert HighSchool and then the Oklahoma
School of Science andMathematics, where she graduated
top of her class.
She went on to study at SpelmanCollege, where she graduated
(01:33):
magna laude and earned herbachelor's degree in
biochemistry.
She attended Morehouse Schoolof Medicine and she has also
done training all around theworld, including in the
Dominican Republic, as shecompleted her MD degree in 2008.
She is the founder and owner ofPeace of Mind Pediatrics, where
(01:54):
she provides holistic healingto pediatric patients.
She not only does one-to-onevisits, but she also offers
training in mindfulness, whichshe is offering in her various
platforms.
She has a podcast where sheprovides wonderful free
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education to her patients in hercommunity, and she is a mother
of three beautiful children.
So I'm so excited that we'llhave Dr Jihan on our podcast,
because she's just a wealth ofresources.
She's going to talk to us abouthow she talks to her patients,
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about integrating.
What we know in this communityis to be functional medicine,
mindfulness, integrativemedicine with pediatrics, with
our kids, and I feel like thatis the most important place to
do it, to set that foundation,to raise children mindfully and
peacefully, especially duringthis time.
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So we don't always feel thatway.
All right, let's get started.
Hello, and thank you so much forjoining us for this episode of
the Art of Healing podcast.
I have a very special guest andthis woman's very busy, so to
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be able to have her on the show.
I'm completely honored and I'mso happy she could carve out
some time with us to share herwisdom.
So, listeners, let me introduceDr Jihan.
So Dr Jihan is, this woman's arenegade.
She's an engineer, she is amother, she is a practicing
pediatrician.
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I believe she's superwoman.
I don't know if she has a cape.
I think she has like a batsignal that she shines because I
don't know how she doeseverything she does.
Has like a bat signal that sheshines because I don't know how
she does everything she does.
So, dr Jihan, I'm so happy thatshe had time to be on with us
and I really wanted to share herknowledge.
She's full of knowledge aboutraising children, especially in
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today's times when the world isso tumultuous and, to me,
doesn't look very kid friendly.
So she shares a lot of this onher Instagram.
She shares a lot of this withher community.
So I'm so grateful, dr Jihan,that you could be with us today.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it so.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I wanted to share with our audience what inspired
you to incorporate integrativeand functional medicine into
your practice, because you'realready busy enough.
So what got you going withwanting to go further and do
more and provide more lovingcare for your patients?
(04:38):
What inspired that?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I think I've always had an interest in integrative
medicine.
My father actually is aphysician and worked the Indian
health service system and soearly on, like we did learn a
little bit about like someNative American healing
practices and things like that,and so I've always had an
interest and so and we use a lotof natural remedies and things
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growing up.
So it's always been in there.
But my son my youngest he hadsevere food allergies even
though I was breastfeeding.
So at three months old hiseczema was so bad he will call
it eczema quite then but it wasso bad that he would bleed or he
would rub his face on people'sshirts and they'd leave blood on
them.
And it's very embarrassing,right Walking around with this
(05:22):
kid who's just has this horriblerash.
And then I was finally able tofind someone who would test him
and found the foods he wassensitive to and that I removed
those from my diet.
So I was dairy-free,gluten-free, nut-free and
egg-free for almost two yearsand I was very sleep-deprived
because it was hard to feed himbecause you know, and so he
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really did rely a lot on mybreast milk and he didn't sleep
very well because he was anitchy baby.
And even after we figured outthe foods, it took a while to
try to get him just back towhere he should be.
So that's where I actuallyfound an integrative medicine
practitioner here locally and westarted to do some gut healing
(06:05):
and as we started to do that hewasn't as itchy, he started to
sleep a little bit better and Iwas able to get a little bit of
relief.
But then I also realized howgreat I felt being gluten-free
and dairy-free, and so it mademe kind of start going down that
road of why do I feel so muchbetter?
What's in our foods?
What are you know?
What's kind of going on?
(06:26):
And so I started to go todifferent summits and different
things and just learning aboutintegrative medicine and I
didn't really have the time todo the full integrative medicine
three-year fellowship oranything like that.
And so I was fortunate to findthere's an academy of pediatric
integrated medicine.
They offered a one-yearfellowship, which is a brief
it's a mini fellowship, right soyou didn't leave with a full
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certification, but I took thatand was able to learn a lot.
And then I do a lot of psychwork and a lot of my patients
come from hospitals with tons ofmedicines and I just felt like
we were kind of failing thesekids because we were just giving
them medicines and then theywere developing other things and
I just felt like we just aren'tgetting to the root of what the
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problem is.
And so I started taking a lotof functional medicine courses
on psychiatry.
That's actually where I startedto get into.
Functional medicine was throughpsychiatry.
It's just completely changedthe way that I practice and in
my approach to health andwellness.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I don't think I knew that part of your story about
your son being affected.
Breastfeeding is the way to go,but so your son ended up
manifesting symptoms.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I'm like, oh my gosh, because it was affecting you
and you know, I'll be honestwith you, he wouldn't take a
lick of formula no, I'm notgoing to act like I didn't try,
because when I was like how canI do all of that, like, no, I'm
not going to act like I didn'ttry because when I was like how
can I do all of?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
that Like, yeah, I'm going to eat.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I have some restrictions to my diet, just
anyhow, you know, and so, but hewouldn't take.
We tried everything, hewouldn't take any of it.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh my gosh.
Okay, so you're with yourbecause already you practice
pediatrics and you see a lot ofchildren and then, in your
pursuit to help them get to theroot cause, you started
approaching it from the mentalhealth aspect and I know that
the mental health coaching is apart of your practice as mental
(08:17):
health I mean well, because youare, you practice, you practice
pretty much psychiatric care andpediatrics essentially, but you
have that mental healthcoaching with the kids.
Can you share some drops ofwisdom, because you shared a lot
with me, but some drops ofwisdom with how you approach
some of these kids.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, I try to, you know.
So this is my online practice,drjihancom, and what I try to do
with that is really approacheach child individually, because
I think that previously wewould say, oh, you do this, so
this is the treatment.
So, for the coaching clients,those are people obviously not
in my state, so I'm not able todo medications or give concrete
(08:58):
medical advice, but ratherrecommendations.
But when I work with thesefamilies, we're looking at the
whole social environment, right,what's happening in the home,
what's their sleep, how muchexercise are they getting?
What are they eating, and thengiving recommendations just on
that.
Right, starting with that, andthen we may end up needing some
(09:18):
recommendations for labs thatthey may want to ask to get, and
or supplements, because what Ihave found is that our children
are nutrient deprived and it'sbecause of what we're eating, so
what you and I grew up eatingis just very different.
So our children?
They don't go outside, sothey're all vitamin D deficient
and that vitamin D deficiency isleading to increased depression
(09:40):
and anxiety and otherbehavioral outbursts, emotional
dysregulation, right Just off ofthat.
Then many are also anemicbecause they're not eating those
foods anymore.
They're eating highly processedfoods and they're not taking
vitamins or anything tosupplement that.
So when you put anemia on it,you also get mood disorders and
other things in that situationand also lack of focus.
(10:02):
So some of these childrenthey're like, oh, they got ADHD.
I'm like, do they have ADHD?
Or do they have poor sleep?
They're vitamin D deficient,they're anemic, et cetera Some
other things you know.
Obviously I learned through mytraining or certain other
deficiencies even lead toaggression.
When you look at the copperzinc ratios, you know, and so.
(10:23):
I implemented some of thosethings.
I'm realizing our children areexposed to toxins, right.
So, depending on where you live, your water may have more of
something than someone else, oryou may eat something all the
time that increases some ofthose toxic levels just because
of the nature of how our food isproduced and where we live
especially in Oklahoma, there'sa lot of farmland, different
(10:44):
things.
So some of my patients areexposed to glycophosphate
regularly just because it'scoming into their water system
right From the farm and door.
So even though you know theparents may try to do other
things, they don't realize thechild is directly affected, even
playing in the outside in theyard.
You mean well.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, I have wondered about that.
Now you're saying the thingsI've been asking but I was
afraid to ask about.
Maybe it wasn't my business?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I don't know, but they come in with these weird
rashes, increase other symptoms,chronic hives, things like that
, these right yard if you can'troll around the yard.
You know.
I asked a lot of thosequestions, some of the parents
who've made some of thosechanges.
The child symptoms have goneaway.
Now could it just becoincidence?
It might be, but I I don't know.
I mean, if you spray toxins ina yard, I just don't see how
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they don't affect.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
How it affects your beard.
Chuck, oh my gosh.
So for, because we and Ipractice with adults.
So, of course, hearing yourtake on this is a pediatrician's
gold to me, because I don't.
This is not anything I get aluxury of, so with the, what I'm
hearing is like increased ratesof ADHD and depression and
aggression.
And so what I'm hearing andwhat I'm taught is that it just
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happens, it just happens.
But you're saying that itdoesn't just happen, that
something changed.
It's a change like in our foodsupply, something fundamental.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So that's definitely a role.
Our food is definitely a role,but the other biggest thing is
social media and computer usageand tablets.
That's the biggest issue.
When I talk, I literally detox.
I use the term detox when Idetox children from their
devices and their dopaminesurges.
Right, because it's instantgratification and people have to
(12:33):
understand that if all day longyou're getting gratified, then
of course you want to stay onthat thing.
It makes you feel really good.
It's just like a kid who wantsto eat candy all day.
It's the same increase in ourdopamine right.
If we detox off of it, you oftenwill see a better child, a
child who is able to regulatetheir emotions a little bit
(12:56):
better.
And I mean, I see so manypeople for evaluations for
behavior problems and all I dois take away tablets.
I tell people I make money offof tablets.
So just taking away the tabletsand the phones, so a detox,
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then it helps you regulate thata little bit better.
You know we don't want tocreate, but you're like, but I
was about to win, so like.
We have a rule, like in myhouse, where it's like and I'm
like, I think it's about timefor you to get off, and they say
okay, well, this game will endin two minutes.
Can I have two more minutes?
Yes, you may.
Okay, when that's over, you'redone.
Even if you're going to theplayoffs in NBA 2K, I don't care
(13:55):
, you can go to the playoffstomorrow, right?
You have to learn thatregulation, because the real
life doesn't work like this.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
So I don't have kids myself, but my nephew had come
to stay with me when he's 13.
When he came to our house, thefirst thing he asked me was for
screen time limits.
I scratched my head and I justgenerated a number.
I was like ah, two hours, andso he followed it.
So I poked around.
Later he told me, and he toldme that my time allotment was
(14:29):
generous, so he assumed it wason vacation.
That was a generous timeallotment.
I was like cool aunt score, noidea, and that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I love that.
Other people you know Iencourage them to do this all
the time.
Right, and we just didn't havethese things growing up.
We did not Like.
I shared today with a childshe's 15 and she was like oh, I
cannot sleep.
What time do you get off yourphone, can you imagine at 15,
and she was like oh, I cannotsleep.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
What time do you get off your phone?
Can you imagine, at 15, at thatage, in that stage of hormonal
development, your body isdemanding sleep.
You must sleep, yes, and shecan't sleep.
Oh, what is that?
I can't even because you knowit's well.
Of course, you know better thanme, but you know the brain's
developing no-transcript.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I don't think people really got.
They really haven't gotten backand I actually see a lot of
families now homeschool, whichis fine.
I was homeschooled, but when Itell you, we were outside every
day, we had all the activitiesyou know, know so, but now
they're like in the house allday.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
They might go outside three days a week yeah, so
imagine so, so at the home, andI'm not so with homeschooling,
because they're they're doingall their education at home.
But from what you're saying,that we're going to lose that
socialization part because we'renot in a school setting, and
then we're OK, and then we'rerunning Some of them do co-ops
(16:42):
right, oh, ok, then you'll getthat socialization.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
But I keep seeing families that don't.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
They only just stay at home, Only stay at home, so
we're losing the socializing andthen the going outside.
So you have to be very mindful.
Sounds like very, verypurposeful about getting around
that.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yes, and so for my clients and patients, I
prescribe exercise and Iprescribe time outdoors, and I,
you know those are things thatare part of your prescription.
So what time are you going togo outside Time are you going?
You know we're going to breakthese things down, so that's not
just a oh, she said, to gooutside.
No, no, no.
What time each day are yougoing?
You know we're gonna breakthese things down, so that's not
just oh, she said, to gooutside.
No, no, no.
(17:20):
What time each day are yougoing to go outside?
and what are you going to dooutside?
Do you have a dog?
Do you want to jump rope?
I mean whatever?
Like being very intentional,and so for, like, homeschool
families, I have them put itinto their daily schedule.
So, whatever their class need,to put that into their schedule
as well.
Okay, okay, oh, that's smartOkay.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So you have your practice and then you have your
coaching practice.
You touch on some of this, butwhat are the strategies that you
are employing with yourchildren, with your patients or
clients, especially pertainingto aggression and anger, that
you are employing with yourchildren, with your patients or
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clients, especially pertainingto aggression and anger, because
you mentioned that to me a fewweeks ago about the anger
component and it wasmind-blowing.
So do you mind sharing somemore with that, because
especially anger is such anuncomfortable emotion.
And then with kids, and then,to be frank, if the children are
of color, it's gettingdangerous.
So can you share with us someabout like that approach,
(18:24):
approaching aggression and anger, because you had shared me some
deep wisdom about what thatcould mean in a kid.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Right.
So I like to see what the rootcause may be, and for some
children I kind of alluded to ita little bit before it's an
imbalance of minerals and thingslike that Funny story they used
to put lithium in our 7-Up backin the day.
I know that.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
To calm us.
How recently was that Sorry?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I think they took it out in the 80s.
I believe I think they took itout in the 80s.
I believe I think they took itout in the 80s.
I want to I need to doublecheck that, but it's very
interesting to learn and sothere are people like doing
research on that.
But it was.
It was used to kind of calm usdown, so funny, like what other
things might have been around.
But I think that when you kindof can look at what is
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triggering the anger, what mightbe triggering the aggression,
and like, for instance,yesterday I had a little girl
she is the cutest little girland she's real petite and small
Right, and she will destroy herwhole classroom.
She's only six.
She'll destroy the wholeclassroom and I'm like when you
look at it you're like there'sno way she could do that.
(19:38):
And then they show me the video.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And I'm like, oh, this is like anger episodes that
this is happening, or Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And what part of what triggers it is not getting her
way.
So of course, we're workingvery hard with the family to
also not always give her her way, right, because we have to put
that restriction in everywhereshe is so that she doesn't flip
out because the school can'tgive you your way, right.
So that's one of the thingsthat we've been working on.
But the other thing is justrespect for adults, right?
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Some of these kids want to testthem because they may see
somebody else do it, or it'stheir only opportunity because
they watched it on a YouTubevideo.
They pranking people, all kindsof stuff, right?
These kids love pranking peoplebecause they love watching
these prank videos.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Oh, that's horrible.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Didn't know this, okay, oh yeah, and they often
end poorly.
And so you know little thingslike that.
But also, how, I mean, are yougetting sleep?
Because you can't regulate youremotions when you don't sleep
well, when you're tired andcranky, right.
And then we're also focusing onwhat can you do before you
react, you know.
(20:47):
So that's where deep breathingcomes in mindfulness, other
things that we're adding intothe picture, even little kids,
teaching them little breath,things that they can do or ways
that they can, you know, help,you know, stimulate that vagus
nerve, other things to help,hopefully, calm themselves.
And so those are some of thethings that we talk.
I talk to parents a lot about.
I also use supplements.
(21:08):
I try to use supplements.
First.
I use some Chinese herbs,different things.
Very rarely do I actually haveto use medications.
I may have two, maybe, who haveto use medications right now,
which is very minimalconsidering the number of
children I have who have reallybad anger issues.
But I've even done detoxes onsome of these kids.
Not everybody needs a detox,but some children do or a
(21:31):
parasitic cleanse I know thatsounds so weird, right, I was
always like parasite.
What are y'all talking about?
Until all these kids startedacting a fool at the new moon
and I was like Just tell me,yeah, right.
And then when I just did somebasic labs to see if they're
anemic, their eosinophils arehigh I'm like, okay, maybe there
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is something to this, right.
So one of my patients I saw himactually this week.
He's so much better after we'vedone that parasitic cleanse.
But I don't recommend peoplejust doing these things because
you can cause harm, especiallyto children.
You have to be under theguidance of somebody who knows
what they're doing, becauseevery time you remove something
it's also taking good stuff too.
So you have to know how toreplenish, how to do all these
(22:17):
things, and not just you knowwhatever you saw on TikTok and
just buy it.
Kids are not little adults.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Speaking of the guidance we've got folks that
are part of the community fromall over the world.
Do you want to share with usabout your website, drjihancom,
and if you are accepting clientsand what kind of resources are
available to work with you?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, so I am accepting a few clients right
now in terms of resources.
I actually do integrativemedicine for other things too.
I love doing it for asthma,food allergies obviously because
that was my son gut healthissues, autism, different things
, and so I do a lot of mentalhealth, but I also do a lot of
work with those things, and sothey can just put in a request
(23:06):
on my website for consultations,et cetera.
I do charge for consultationsbecause all of my time is very
valuable, but they're veryreasonably priced.
Some people say too low, andthen people can purchase
sessions with me where we reallyjust kind of get to the root.
For my online clients, I have avery long list of information
(23:29):
that I obtained from them sothat I can better understand,
even from birth, what hashappened with this child, so
that I can better make a planand help them to be able to, you
know, ask their practitionerfor more advice and or, you know
, use some of therecommendations that might be
there.
So we try to go back to wherewe used to be.
So we try to go back to wherewe used to be, and the reality
(23:53):
is that people have been healingthemselves and societies for
centuries, and medications oftenare important and needed, but
they're not typically the firstline that we need to use and
there are so many other thingsthat we can try first before we
necessarily have to go to thosethings.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And and I'll say for my son people are amazed when
they see him, because he doesn'teven have eczema.
Yeah yeah, I figured youtotally resolved it once you did
, because that was a lot whileyou're breastfeeding.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, but I mean then the gut, when we healed his gut
.
Now sometimes he still has somegut issues, but it's because
he'll he'll sneak some stuffthat I'm like I think you're
still sensitive to, probablywith his friends, exactly, and
so then we have to kind of goback right.
But when we do that, then hedoes much better.
But, just like with any parents, it's hard to convince your
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kids to get on board, and wedon't want to force them because
sometimes they won't doanything, and so we have to be
strategic in that approach.
And so I actually will soon beworking with a functional
medicine coach who is trained tobetter help ease people into
these plans and follow up withthem to make sure that they're
(25:11):
doing what they need to do,because sometimes, you know, I
have a lot of time.
Like what?
Speaker 1 (25:18):
So for the listeners in your show notes, I will make
sure to send you Dr Jihan'scontact as far as her website.
What is the best way to learnmore about you just so they hear
it while they're listening tothe podcast and the best way to
reach you and to learn aboutyour courses, blog and podcast?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
So all of that's on drjihancom actually.
So the podcast is there, theinquiries, a lot about me, and I
have a video actuallyexplaining what made me want to
get into integrative medicineand kind of how I approach
patients.
I'm on Instagram as Dr Jihanunderscore MD muscle on Facebook
, dr Jihan.
I'm on TikTok too.
(25:59):
I don't even know my handle, Ithink it's just Dr Jihan.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I think it's Dr Jihan , because I watch your TikToks
too.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Dr Jihan, I try to respond, you know, but I don't
spend a ton of time on it.
But the goal is just to try tohopefully share more information
, debunk myths and things andjust kind of, you know, make
sure people understand that.
You know, if we take the timeout to make children healthier,
(26:27):
then we will see a differenttrajectory of their lives Right.
Then we will see a differenttrajectory of their lives right,
Not just their physical health,their mental health, their
future careers, theiropportunities to be employed.
Because I use this analogy Ifyou don't learn how to regulate
your emotions when you're youngor a teenager, what happens when
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you get your first job and yourboss tells you to go do
something that you don't want todo?
Not going to end well, andthat's what, unfortunately, what
I'm seeing in my young adultpatients, because I see up to 21
in my practice and so many ofthem are not employed or go from
job to job to job to jobbecause they haven't learned
that.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So now we're actually working on learning these
skills as a young adult, so itwas just such a pleasure to have
you and your wisdom on.
You know, when I'm creatingthis podcast, one of my goals
was to share as much of what Ican't offer, and you brought
(27:33):
just a huge a ton of informationconcerning the most important
part of us, which is ourchildren.
So I'm I'm so grateful from thebottom of my heart.
Thank you for being a guest onthe podcast.
Thank you so much.
Listeners, when you check yourshow notes, I will make sure
that you have every way to findDr Jihan and if you are in a
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place where you cannot get toyour show notes, if you sign up
for my email list, I will beemailing out all of her details
her contact information.
She has courses you can enrollin and how to learn to work with
her if you're not locally.
Thank you so much, dr.
Jihan Thank you so much, drJihan.
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Thank you so much, I appreciateit.
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