September 22, 2025 • 32 mins
Life is busy (kids, caretaking, endless to-dos) and it’s easy to push creativity aside. But your delight is not frivolous – it’s fuel. In this episode, we explore how to gently reclaim time for yourself through wise-mind practices, the five-whys journaling prompt, and nervous-system resets that turn micro-moments into momentum. From simply holding your sketchbook to rediscovering old joys like piano or crochet, we talk about rebuilding safety, releasing guilt, and letting delight reconnect you to yourself, your community, and your joy.
This October, join the experiment in our Say "Boo" to Creative Block Challenge where you'll get to explore your own blocks, try experimenting through small steps, and discover how creativity can bring you back to yourself!
Thank you so much for listening.
If you know someone who needs this kind of gentle nudge, send it their way. The more kind, creative hearts in this space, the better.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:03):
Welcome to the Art Peace Experiment.
We're your hosts, two artistsand friends.
I'm Tasha.
And I'm Brianna.
At the end of 2024, we decidedwe wanted to cultivate more
safety, peace, love, alignment,and excitement through our art
and our art practices.
(00:24):
So here we are sharing ourjourney with you.
And we're so excited you'rehere.
We hope you enjoy ourconversations.
They're honest, raw, just justtwo friends talking to each
other about the realities oflife and creativity.
We're so excited for you to joinus and be along with us for the
journey.
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Have you ever wanted to paintsomething or crochet or learn to
make sourdough or anythingcreative and tell yourself, I
don't have time?
Yes.
What?
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Me too.
I may have done that once ortwice, yeah.
Yeah, I feel like this is aconstant problem, especially
when you have children.
yeah it's yeah I find myselfdoing that literally every day
like all the time I'm like no Ican't do it right now I don't
have time I don't have time youmake all the excuses you have to
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go get dinner you know like allthe things yeah that's been a
little bit rough this weekbecause it's been the first week
of summer break for our kidsfirst week of summer it's so fun
it's such a fun time to finallybe out of school and miss the
freedom to do anything you knowwe can go we can do All the
things we've been waiting to do,but then...
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the time for personal time is alot shorter.
And yeah.
And so that's difficult.
It's difficult to make time foryourself, especially like if you
have little kids or if it'ssummer or, you know.
You're in school.
If you've got a busy job.
Working full time.
Yeah.
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I mean, you have a spouse.
Everybody's busy.
If you're taking care of busy.
How busy are you?
Does it make you dizzy?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Caretaker of any Yeah.
Right.
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Yeah.
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It's very productivity based.
If your art or creative practiceisn't making money or having
some kind of outside value, thenwe tend to make the excuses of
not being able to show upbecause we feel like other
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people are going to make theexcuses and feel that way.
There's a lot of judgment, Ifeel like, that we feel Even
without, even by just thethought, the mere thought of
doing something that doesn'thave an outward quote unquote
value, you know, doesn't haveanything to show the world the
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value of if it's just for us.
Right.
you know, whatever to take thattime, then it starts
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disconnecting us from ourcommunity because they have that
judgment because they have, youknow, the outward pressure being
put on us.
It's like, you are going to loseyour tribe and your nervous
system is like, that's notallowed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That puts you in danger zone.
Right.
That means, yeah, that meansbad.
Right.
That means scary.
That means not safe.
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And so, yeah, absolutely.
It are, are, because we're sotrained in our culture to be
productive, to do things thatare pleasing to others.
You know, I don't know.
There's so many things.
Yeah.
And so when we're trying to dosomething that's just for us,
there's a lot of resistance.
Yeah.
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There's a lot of resistance.
And so our brains come up withall the excuses, all the other
things that we could be doinginstead that would be better.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now, you know, this week I'vefeel like we also have that
pressure of you know i mean forus personally of like how do we
keep showing up for our kids andhow do we keep showing up for
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ourselves at the same time manthis is the question how do we
do both yeah um and i thinkwe're going to talk more about
how that's going for us at ourcheck-in this week because we've
we're going to practice it we'regoing to practice it and like
we're going to try and figure itout yeah I mean, showing up for
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recording and showing up forcreating both is like, okay,
we've committed to thisexperiment for 52 weeks and that
includes summer break.
So here we are.
We're going to just keep going.
We're just going to keep going.
Yeah.
One thing I did want to talkabout though is, I mean, just
making space, making time,making space.
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We all are capable of that.
And I think there's somedifferent things that can help
can help with that I mean firstis just the thought of I want to
yeah right and holding space forthat thought yeah I feel like
that's the first step like whatis that thing that is exciting
you
SPEAKER_01 (06:34):
yeah
SPEAKER_00 (06:34):
that you're wanting to show up for but you're making
the excuses like first justrecognizing that and just
holding your space holding thatspace for yourself of like okay
it makes sense that I'm havingthese feelings that I'm having
these thoughts yeah that I havethis resistance It makes sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not that it's necessarily okaybecause we don't want to like
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maintain those thoughts and thatresistance.
Right.
But it makes sense that you haveit.
Yeah.
It makes sense that it's there.
Yeah.
Recognizing it and looking at itwith compassion, looking at
yourself with compassion andthose blocks and that resistance
and the, you know,procrastination or whatever
tactics we're doing to put offthe thing that we actually want
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to be doing yeah I think that'sreally the first step is is
recognizing that we're doingthat that is so hard it's so
hard sometimes to even just seeit right and so if you see it
then you're already doing greatjob yeah that's woohoo you did
it you know like you're on theway that's good and so and if
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you're just realizing it now aswe're talking about this that's
great we're so proud of you yeahyou're so this is wonderful so
that's that's literally thefirst step and it's such an
important step.
Like you can't do anythingwithout that.
You have to, you have torecognize it first.
You have to hold space for thatthought and, and recognize I
have this desire to create or todo whatever, you know, to do
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something, to, to dance, to playthe piano, to, you know, do a
thing and I'm not doing it.
Yeah.
And recognize that the desireis, is a good one, right?
It's okay.
That is worthy.
Like there's so much work justeven around that to do.
Yeah.
And a lot of times.
And so, um, taking time, time todo that and taking space for
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that and meeting yourself withlove where you're at.
Right.
It's really, really great workand really important.
And so then holding that spaceand then recognizing the blocks
and what you're actually, whatyou're actually doing, like
paying attention to what you're,what you do.
Like when you have, when youhave that thought of a desire,
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like, Oh, I kind of want to dothis.
And then Notice what happens.
What happens when you have thatdesire and you're like, maybe I
want to do that right now.
Yeah.
Does your mind go to like, oh,but I have laundry.
I got to go do the dishes.
Oh, I have this.
I can't do that.
What happens?
Right?
That's the next step.
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Yep.
Yep.
And then maybe journaling aboutit.
Yeah.
Like what's the next thing thathappens?
Okay.
Then I start making all theseother excuses.
Why?
Why?
Yeah.
Why?
Why?
why why are you why why didthese things come up why is this
happening why are you thinkingthis way you know and get really
clear and like maybe go back inyour past like what happened did
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someone say something to youyeah that caused these thoughts
to come up or these feelings oryou know this uh like this
mindset right where are theselimiting beliefs like what are
the root dig deep yeah becauseit's like the ask why five times
i've heard i've heard a veryvariety of versions of this like
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do it three times you know gothree three wise back go five
wise back or go ten wise backyou know however long you want
to go but ask you know yourecognize you have the
resistance yeah and then say whywhy do I have this resistance
and then it's like oh because Ifeel this why right because this
happened or you know because itmakes me feel this way why you
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know like go go back act curiouskeep asking yourself keep trying
to figure it out and andunderstand what's actually
really going on.
And that is so helpful.
SPEAKER_01 (10:23):
It's
SPEAKER_00 (10:24):
so helpful in being able to understand the things
that's going on in your body andyour nervous system, you know,
automatic thoughts that arecoming up and then be able to
actually do something to changeit, you know, and meet each,
meet each, why each question,each answer with compassion
again, gentleness and kindness.
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You know, it's not a criticism.
No, that's that's not going tohelp.
Yeah.
We all fall into that trapsometimes, but that's not going
to help.
Yeah.
That'll just, that'll just putup the anxiety and, you know,
blocks even, even more.
So yeah, that's super importantto when you're doing this, when
you're asking yourself thesequestions to, to do it in love,
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to do it in compassion, to do itin curiosity rather than
judgment or criticism.
Right.
Right.
And then when you get to thatroot, when you start figuring it
out, you know, once again,coming back to holding your,
holding that space for yourselfand saying, it makes sense.
It makes sense that you feelthat way.
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It's like talking to a friend.
Just pretend you're talking toyourself like you're talking to
a friend.
Yeah.
Or, you know, child or child,like child you.
Cause a lot of times thesethings go back and start from in
childhood.
Yeah.
Um, when, when our nervoussystem is, is building that,
like what is safe, what is notsafe, what keeps me connected,
SPEAKER_01 (11:47):
what
SPEAKER_00 (11:48):
doesn't, you know, what What do I have to let go
of?
Yeah.
To stay, to, to keep mycommunity, to keep my people.
That's the foundation that we,we build on is, is in childhood.
And so it goes through, youknow, our whole, our whole
lives.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So in that space, in that, youknow, looking back at ourselves
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as, as little kids and whathappened and, you know, that can
be so powerful and so helpful.
Yeah.
And then the next step isrealizing, you know, bring it to
the present.
Yeah.
realizing like, is, is thisactually true?
Right.
Like through all the, all thequestions of why, like, are any
of these things actually true?
I mean, yeah, sure.
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Maybe, maybe you do need to dolaundry at some point, but like,
do you need to do laundry soseverely that you don't have
five minutes to like breathe andtake a moment with yourself and
like doodle something?
Like, is the world going to end?
Is like, is that actually true?
Yeah.
You know, just ask thosequestions, like bring it to the
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present and be really, reallyreal with yourself and coming to
it from that more wise mindstate rather than the limiting
belief, chaotic mind state.
Yes, 100%.
I love that.
I love, I love the idea of thewise mind because there's like
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different levels, right?
And different parts of yourbrain and it's all very
scientific and all the things,but But, um, you know, there's
more of like the emotional,emotional state and the nervous
system.
I feel like runs a lot on, onemotions and fears and things
like that.
Right.
Cause it's trying to keep ussafe.
Right.
Right.
And, um, and so that's a lot oftimes where we operate.
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Yes.
And, um, it's so empowering torealize that we don't have to
operate from that place all thetime.
Um, like it's, it's built intoour systems it's there for a
reason it's good you know itserves as a purpose but we don't
have to stay in it all the timewe can be in our in our wise
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minds right which is more of thelogical and it's it's taking the
logical analytical side ofthinking and the emotional side
of thinking and looking at boththat's what the wise mind is and
so making decisions it's kind oflike from a bird's eye view like
you're up high seeing thesituation a little bit you know
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a little more clearly a littlemore clearly from both from both
sides so yeah making trying toget into that zone is uh yeah is
really helpful when trying tomove through blocks and trying
to heal from all of these thingsand and uh actually move forward
yeah and pay attention to whatemotions come up where they are
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in your body what it feels likelike journal that too yeah What,
what's actually coming up, whatyou're actually feeling.
I had a conversation with mydaughter about this the other
day that a lot of the times wetry to think our feelings
instead of feel our feelings.
And sometimes we need theclarity of thought, you know,
and to get, and to get throughit.
And then times we need, we'relike, we need to just feel, let
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ourselves actually feel and notthink our feelings.
Yeah.
I, I love that because sometimeswe just like think and think and
think, and we think that we'reour thinking will problem solve
us out of feeling whatever we'refeeling instead of actually
taking the time to yeah to feelit doom spiraling instead of
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actually working through likeactually feeling it and like
working through the actualproblem right yeah I am I could
be professional at this if thatcould be a career and could be
paid for it I would be I wouldbe very wealthy I know Well, I
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would be, I would, I would beright there with you.
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you know, all of theseprinciples and things and ideas
about the wise mind and abouthow you can take control.
And, you know, just, I don'tknow, it takes a lot of effort
and it's conscious, but it ispossible.
It is possible 100%.
And when you actually are ableto, to hop into that mindset and
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those that awareness, then it'sso it's, I remember the first
time that I actually reallyreally did that and it was like
just a few years ago you know itwasn't very long ago right I was
an adult with a child right andso but the first time that I was
actually able to do that it waslike oh my gosh I just did that
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like I just had the bird's eyeview thing and I like I saw it
clearly and I was able to likecontrol my reaction instead of
like I chose how I reactedinstead of just reacting right
you know emotionally yeah andAnd so I responded instead of
reacted and it was so empoweringand it was amazing, you know,
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and I was like, I don't do thismore, but it's really hard and
it takes a lot of practice andit's slow going and I'm not
perfect at it.
So me neither.
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You want to always think yourfeelings.
You want to feel your feelings.
We can't think our nervoussystems into safety.
It doesn't work that way.
Our nervous systems don't learnthrough our thoughts.
They learn through ourexperiences.
Yeah, through our physicalexperience, body experience.
So it's important to go throughthe– at least we found it's
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important to go through theexercise of actually being
thoughtful and mindful and kindof figuring out the root cause
of the limiting beliefs andwhat's really going on so we can
hold that space for ourselvesand that gentleness and
compassion but then alongsidethat it's so important to
actually take action and I don'tmean jump straight into the deep
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end before having swimminglessons I mean taking small baby
steps yeah and the small babysteps are going to grow and
build and get you to where youwant to go on your journey
whereas if you just jumpstraight in sometimes, then you
kind of sink and have a hardtime.
Keep going.
You're like, wait, I can't treadwater yet.
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I don't know how to do this.
I agree.
I think sometimes that firstaction step is literally just
taking a deep breath.
Taking a deep breath, resettingyour nervous system.
It really is a physical thing.
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Doing those physical things likedeep breathing exercises
relaxing your muscles in yourbody you know like physically
telling your signaling your bodyyeah I am safe like breathing
slower right when you breatheslower that signals to your to
your body that you are in a safeplace you're safe right yeah
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when you relax your muscles thatsignals to your body you are in
a safe place right so there'sthings that you can actually do
physically like that that thathelp retrain your nerve Yeah.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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That retrains your nervoussystem that this is okay.
This is safe.
This is relaxing.
This is good for me.
SPEAKER_01 (20:54):
This
SPEAKER_00 (20:54):
is a thriving thing and not a survival like, ah, you
know, scary thing.
This is good.
Right.
Right.
And maybe it's, you know,sitting at the place that you're
going to be doing the creativething.
Yeah.
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You don't even do anything withit yet.
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Yeah.
Doesn't end up having to looklike anything, but you're just
there moving.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're moving up, moving, usingyour body, you know, using your
movement and being there.
Yeah.
And then recognizing like, oh mygosh, I did the thing.
I was there.
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I did it.
I spent time there and I'm okay.
Yes.
Like the world didn't end.
I didn't die.
I didn't die.
didn't die I'm still connectedto my people yeah like it's okay
yeah yeah and then the next dayor the next week whether it's a
weekly thing you're doing or adaily thing you're doing doesn't
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matter and just that consistencyof showing up again and again
and again and taking thoselittle steps it's gonna grow
yeah it'll slowly start to feelbetter and better and you'll
want to do more and more andit'll feel more exciting and
it'll feel better that's this iswhat we found, both of us, and
what we're practicing in theexperiment.
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And so we can honestly say thatit does work.
It does help.
It does.
Yeah.
It does help.
Sometimes it feels really sillyto just sit there and hold the
sketchbook and like, I don'tknow what I'm doing.
And then sometimes you get tothat point of like, okay, my
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child's nap time just ended andI didn't actually draw anything
i just held it and i'm a failurebecause i didn't actually
produce anything it's like no noyou you showed up for yourself
you sat there you held it that'sall you could do today that's
okay you were still there foryourself you know you were still
there and maybe tomorrow youwill end up drawing something
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yeah you know it's it's buildingthat foundation right it's
building that foundation ofsafety and peace and and uh
alignment and you know?
Yeah.
And showing up just in the actof, I want to be doing this.
I want to be journaling.
I want to be painting.
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I want to be, you know, sittingat the piano, even if you don't
play anything, but like I'mhere, this is important to me.
Right.
Right.
I want to, I want to do this andI want to have this in my life
and just sitting andappreciating that, you know,
appreciating that desire andthat thing and, and kind of,
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embodying that again you know alot of times I think we have
something that we love and thenas we grow older we kind of let
go of it this is what happenedwith for me with piano and with
art yeah I was like that was mylife you know I did it every day
all like all the time like Iwould come home from school I'd
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play the piano you know it wasjust like that was my thing yeah
and and then I grew up out ofthe house and went to college
and got married and you know andit was still really important
and I wanted to have a piano inour home you know like I really
wanted but I wasn't I wasn'tactually playing the piano and
there were a lot of blocks thatcame up and you know just the
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things that happened that thatblocked blocked that but um
coming back to it I mean thishas been more of a recent thing
too with um probably since theexperiment too has been helping
helping me come back intoremembering my love for it, you
know, remembering, Oh, I used tosit and I used to play piano for
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hours.
And when I would hear a pianosong, you know, a song, I would
be so moved and, and rememberingthose feelings.
Right.
And then that helps me to likefeel it again.
Yeah.
Even if I'm not, even if I'm notplaying,
SPEAKER_01 (25:43):
but
SPEAKER_00 (25:44):
just sitting and having that remembering.
Yeah.
And connecting with myself againlike that.
It's powerful.
Even though I'm not, you know, Ilove like sitting at my piano or
even like if I'm sitting andlooking at my piano and thinking
about it, right?
Sometimes I don't have thecapacity to go play or like I
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can't actually go play becauseI'm doing something else or
whatever.
But, you know, being in thatmindset.
Right.
And remembering is reallypowerful too.
The power of memory and ofthoughts and connecting with
yourself, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like that's been one ofthe, the first big surprises we
had with this experiment is, um,coming back to that, like
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delight, what delights us, whatexcites us, what lights us up
and realizing how much we'd beensuppressing that.
It was like, Oh, Whoa.
Whoa.
I wasn't expecting that to belike one of the first like
revelations and, and things thatwe realized, like we need to
come back to this and startbuilding around allowing that,
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allowing delight.
Yeah.
And joy and ourselves to be likeourselves.
Yeah.
How important that is in beingourselves.
Exactly.
It was a little mind-breaking.
Yeah.
Which, yeah, it, it's so funnyto talk about it and say it now,
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you know, to think, well, yeah,of course the things that you
delight in would be, you know,you know, something that is
important for you to beconnected to.
But yeah, I don't know.
It's, it, it just happens.
It happens all the time and wesuppress things and we put
things to the side and we letthings go, you know.
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Yeah.
Trying to fit in, trying to bein a certain role, you know,
what, what other people need usto be.
And we start losing ourselves.
It's easy.
Yeah.
Easy to do.
So taking back ownership ofourselves and of our delights
and our things that light us upand really make us ourselves,
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you know, and feel joy and feelour light inside.
That is so important.
Yeah.
And it's so beautiful.
It's so beautiful because whenwe are connected to ourselves
like that and we're connected toour inner light and our inner,
you know, like joy, then we areable to show up so much better
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in the world.
Yeah.
I, I found like in ourfriendship, I'm able to show up
better with my daughter.
I'm able to show up better withthe other relationships I have.
Um, and I've had other friendsand people notice and be like,
Oh, same.
Like, like you feel more happyand lighter and more like you.
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And this is nice.
This is like, I'm so, I'm sohappy to be with you right now
because you feel so much moreyou.
I, my, my, my other best friend.
Um, I was, I was telling herabout all of this for the first
time, you know, and, um, I wasgetting really excited and
passionate.
She started crying because shewas like, you just lit up so
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much and you, you felt like you,you know, and it was so
beautiful to see.
Um, and it's powerful.
Yeah.
It's powerful.
And you're more energized,right?
That's a big one.
That makes a difference.
And we're excited to get upevery day yeah so it makes it's
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it makes a huge difference andit really is so impactful and so
important yeah I find itinteresting that we do tend to
suppress and hold ourselves backin order to stay connected with
community and yet as we've beenletting that go we found more
connection isn't thatinteresting yeah yeah I feel
like as we're trying to pretzelourselves mold ourselves into
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what we think you know ourcommunity would want us to be
yeah we end up distancingourselves from right because
we're not being ourselves yeahthen how do we have genuine
connection and relationshipexactly exactly we can't
actually connect yeah in a realway yeah when we're not being
our real selves fascinating ilove it well if you want to hear
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how we survive the first week ofsummer and make time for our
creativity check into our checkout our next episode because
we're We will talk about it.
And if you want more ideas onhow to make more time and space
for creativity, hacks orwhatever, let us know.
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Yeah.
And we'll talk about that in afuture episode.
Yeah.
So try to remember, take timefor yourself.
You do have time and it'simportant and you are worth it.
We'll see you next time.
That's it for today, friend.
Thanks for spending this timewith us.
We hope you're leaving with alittle more light, a little more
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peace, and maybe even a nudge togo be creative just because it
brings a little more joy to yourlife.
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And remember, your creativitymatters.
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Your voice matters.
You matter.
We're cheering you on always.
Until next time, keep making,keep softening, and keep showing
up as your whole beautiful self.
Welcome to the Art Peace Experiment.
We're your hosts, two artistsand friends.
I'm Tasha.
And I'm Brianna.
At the end of 2024, we decidedwe wanted to cultivate more
safety, peace, love, alignment,and excitement through our art
and our art practices.
(00:24):
So here we are sharing ourjourney with you.
And we're so excited you'rehere.
We hope you enjoy ourconversations.
They're honest, raw, just justtwo friends talking to each
other about the realities oflife and creativity.
We're so excited for you to joinus and be along with us for the
journey.
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Have you ever wanted to paintsomething or crochet or learn to
make sourdough or anythingcreative and tell yourself, I
don't have time?
Yes.
What?
(01:07):
Me too.
I may have done that once ortwice, yeah.
Yeah, I feel like this is aconstant problem, especially
when you have children.
yeah it's yeah I find myselfdoing that literally every day
like all the time I'm like no Ican't do it right now I don't
have time I don't have time youmake all the excuses you have to
(01:28):
go get dinner you know like allthe things yeah that's been a
little bit rough this weekbecause it's been the first week
of summer break for our kidsfirst week of summer it's so fun
it's such a fun time to finallybe out of school and miss the
freedom to do anything you knowwe can go we can do All the
things we've been waiting to do,but then...
(01:50):
the time for personal time is alot shorter.
And yeah.
And so that's difficult.
It's difficult to make time foryourself, especially like if you
have little kids or if it'ssummer or, you know.
You're in school.
If you've got a busy job.
Working full time.
Yeah.
(02:10):
I mean, you have a spouse.
Everybody's busy.
If you're taking care of busy.
How busy are you?
Does it make you dizzy?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Caretaker of any Yeah.
Right.
(02:50):
Yeah.
(03:20):
It's very productivity based.
If your art or creative practiceisn't making money or having
some kind of outside value, thenwe tend to make the excuses of
not being able to show upbecause we feel like other
(03:42):
people are going to make theexcuses and feel that way.
There's a lot of judgment, Ifeel like, that we feel Even
without, even by just thethought, the mere thought of
doing something that doesn'thave an outward quote unquote
value, you know, doesn't haveanything to show the world the
(04:03):
value of if it's just for us.
Right.
you know, whatever to take thattime, then it starts
(04:23):
disconnecting us from ourcommunity because they have that
judgment because they have, youknow, the outward pressure being
put on us.
It's like, you are going to loseyour tribe and your nervous
system is like, that's notallowed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That puts you in danger zone.
Right.
That means, yeah, that meansbad.
Right.
That means scary.
That means not safe.
(04:45):
And so, yeah, absolutely.
It are, are, because we're sotrained in our culture to be
productive, to do things thatare pleasing to others.
You know, I don't know.
There's so many things.
Yeah.
And so when we're trying to dosomething that's just for us,
there's a lot of resistance.
Yeah.
(05:06):
There's a lot of resistance.
And so our brains come up withall the excuses, all the other
things that we could be doinginstead that would be better.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now, you know, this week I'vefeel like we also have that
pressure of you know i mean forus personally of like how do we
keep showing up for our kids andhow do we keep showing up for
(05:29):
ourselves at the same time manthis is the question how do we
do both yeah um and i thinkwe're going to talk more about
how that's going for us at ourcheck-in this week because we've
we're going to practice it we'regoing to practice it and like
we're going to try and figure itout yeah I mean, showing up for
(05:51):
recording and showing up forcreating both is like, okay,
we've committed to thisexperiment for 52 weeks and that
includes summer break.
So here we are.
We're going to just keep going.
We're just going to keep going.
Yeah.
One thing I did want to talkabout though is, I mean, just
making space, making time,making space.
(06:15):
We all are capable of that.
And I think there's somedifferent things that can help
can help with that I mean firstis just the thought of I want to
yeah right and holding space forthat thought yeah I feel like
that's the first step like whatis that thing that is exciting
you
SPEAKER_01 (06:34):
yeah
SPEAKER_00 (06:34):
that you're wanting to show up for but you're making
the excuses like first justrecognizing that and just
holding your space holding thatspace for yourself of like okay
it makes sense that I'm havingthese feelings that I'm having
these thoughts yeah that I havethis resistance It makes sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not that it's necessarily okaybecause we don't want to like
(06:58):
maintain those thoughts and thatresistance.
Right.
But it makes sense that you haveit.
Yeah.
It makes sense that it's there.
Yeah.
Recognizing it and looking at itwith compassion, looking at
yourself with compassion andthose blocks and that resistance
and the, you know,procrastination or whatever
tactics we're doing to put offthe thing that we actually want
(07:19):
to be doing yeah I think that'sreally the first step is is
recognizing that we're doingthat that is so hard it's so
hard sometimes to even just seeit right and so if you see it
then you're already doing greatjob yeah that's woohoo you did
it you know like you're on theway that's good and so and if
(07:39):
you're just realizing it now aswe're talking about this that's
great we're so proud of you yeahyou're so this is wonderful so
that's that's literally thefirst step and it's such an
important step.
Like you can't do anythingwithout that.
You have to, you have torecognize it first.
You have to hold space for thatthought and, and recognize I
have this desire to create or todo whatever, you know, to do
(08:01):
something, to, to dance, to playthe piano, to, you know, do a
thing and I'm not doing it.
Yeah.
And recognize that the desireis, is a good one, right?
It's okay.
That is worthy.
Like there's so much work justeven around that to do.
Yeah.
And a lot of times.
And so, um, taking time, time todo that and taking space for
(08:27):
that and meeting yourself withlove where you're at.
Right.
It's really, really great workand really important.
And so then holding that spaceand then recognizing the blocks
and what you're actually, whatyou're actually doing, like
paying attention to what you're,what you do.
Like when you have, when youhave that thought of a desire,
(08:47):
like, Oh, I kind of want to dothis.
And then Notice what happens.
What happens when you have thatdesire and you're like, maybe I
want to do that right now.
Yeah.
Does your mind go to like, oh,but I have laundry.
I got to go do the dishes.
Oh, I have this.
I can't do that.
What happens?
Right?
That's the next step.
(09:08):
Yep.
Yep.
And then maybe journaling aboutit.
Yeah.
Like what's the next thing thathappens?
Okay.
Then I start making all theseother excuses.
Why?
Why?
Yeah.
Why?
Why?
why why are you why why didthese things come up why is this
happening why are you thinkingthis way you know and get really
clear and like maybe go back inyour past like what happened did
(09:29):
someone say something to youyeah that caused these thoughts
to come up or these feelings oryou know this uh like this
mindset right where are theselimiting beliefs like what are
the root dig deep yeah becauseit's like the ask why five times
i've heard i've heard a veryvariety of versions of this like
(09:51):
do it three times you know gothree three wise back go five
wise back or go ten wise backyou know however long you want
to go but ask you know yourecognize you have the
resistance yeah and then say whywhy do I have this resistance
and then it's like oh because Ifeel this why right because this
happened or you know because itmakes me feel this way why you
(10:12):
know like go go back act curiouskeep asking yourself keep trying
to figure it out and andunderstand what's actually
really going on.
And that is so helpful.
SPEAKER_01 (10:23):
It's
SPEAKER_00 (10:24):
so helpful in being able to understand the things
that's going on in your body andyour nervous system, you know,
automatic thoughts that arecoming up and then be able to
actually do something to changeit, you know, and meet each,
meet each, why each question,each answer with compassion
again, gentleness and kindness.
(10:46):
You know, it's not a criticism.
No, that's that's not going tohelp.
Yeah.
We all fall into that trapsometimes, but that's not going
to help.
Yeah.
That'll just, that'll just putup the anxiety and, you know,
blocks even, even more.
So yeah, that's super importantto when you're doing this, when
you're asking yourself thesequestions to, to do it in love,
(11:08):
to do it in compassion, to do itin curiosity rather than
judgment or criticism.
Right.
Right.
And then when you get to thatroot, when you start figuring it
out, you know, once again,coming back to holding your,
holding that space for yourselfand saying, it makes sense.
It makes sense that you feelthat way.
(11:28):
It's like talking to a friend.
Just pretend you're talking toyourself like you're talking to
a friend.
Yeah.
Or, you know, child or child,like child you.
Cause a lot of times thesethings go back and start from in
childhood.
Yeah.
Um, when, when our nervoussystem is, is building that,
like what is safe, what is notsafe, what keeps me connected,
SPEAKER_01 (11:47):
what
SPEAKER_00 (11:48):
doesn't, you know, what What do I have to let go
of?
Yeah.
To stay, to, to keep mycommunity, to keep my people.
That's the foundation that we,we build on is, is in childhood.
And so it goes through, youknow, our whole, our whole
lives.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So in that space, in that, youknow, looking back at ourselves
(12:09):
as, as little kids and whathappened and, you know, that can
be so powerful and so helpful.
Yeah.
And then the next step isrealizing, you know, bring it to
the present.
Yeah.
realizing like, is, is thisactually true?
Right.
Like through all the, all thequestions of why, like, are any
of these things actually true?
I mean, yeah, sure.
(12:30):
Maybe, maybe you do need to dolaundry at some point, but like,
do you need to do laundry soseverely that you don't have
five minutes to like breathe andtake a moment with yourself and
like doodle something?
Like, is the world going to end?
Is like, is that actually true?
Yeah.
You know, just ask thosequestions, like bring it to the
(12:52):
present and be really, reallyreal with yourself and coming to
it from that more wise mindstate rather than the limiting
belief, chaotic mind state.
Yes, 100%.
I love that.
I love, I love the idea of thewise mind because there's like
(13:14):
different levels, right?
And different parts of yourbrain and it's all very
scientific and all the things,but But, um, you know, there's
more of like the emotional,emotional state and the nervous
system.
I feel like runs a lot on, onemotions and fears and things
like that.
Right.
Cause it's trying to keep ussafe.
Right.
Right.
And, um, and so that's a lot oftimes where we operate.
(13:37):
Yes.
And, um, it's so empowering torealize that we don't have to
operate from that place all thetime.
Um, like it's, it's built intoour systems it's there for a
reason it's good you know itserves as a purpose but we don't
have to stay in it all the timewe can be in our in our wise
(14:00):
minds right which is more of thelogical and it's it's taking the
logical analytical side ofthinking and the emotional side
of thinking and looking at boththat's what the wise mind is and
so making decisions it's kind oflike from a bird's eye view like
you're up high seeing thesituation a little bit you know
(14:21):
a little more clearly a littlemore clearly from both from both
sides so yeah making trying toget into that zone is uh yeah is
really helpful when trying tomove through blocks and trying
to heal from all of these thingsand and uh actually move forward
yeah and pay attention to whatemotions come up where they are
(14:45):
in your body what it feels likelike journal that too yeah What,
what's actually coming up, whatyou're actually feeling.
I had a conversation with mydaughter about this the other
day that a lot of the times wetry to think our feelings
instead of feel our feelings.
And sometimes we need theclarity of thought, you know,
and to get, and to get throughit.
And then times we need, we'relike, we need to just feel, let
(15:08):
ourselves actually feel and notthink our feelings.
Yeah.
I, I love that because sometimeswe just like think and think and
think, and we think that we'reour thinking will problem solve
us out of feeling whatever we'refeeling instead of actually
taking the time to yeah to feelit doom spiraling instead of
(15:29):
actually working through likeactually feeling it and like
working through the actualproblem right yeah I am I could
be professional at this if thatcould be a career and could be
paid for it I would be I wouldbe very wealthy I know Well, I
(15:50):
would be, I would, I would beright there with you.
(16:18):
you know, all of theseprinciples and things and ideas
about the wise mind and abouthow you can take control.
And, you know, just, I don'tknow, it takes a lot of effort
and it's conscious, but it ispossible.
It is possible 100%.
And when you actually are ableto, to hop into that mindset and
(16:41):
those that awareness, then it'sso it's, I remember the first
time that I actually reallyreally did that and it was like
just a few years ago you know itwasn't very long ago right I was
an adult with a child right andso but the first time that I was
actually able to do that it waslike oh my gosh I just did that
(17:03):
like I just had the bird's eyeview thing and I like I saw it
clearly and I was able to likecontrol my reaction instead of
like I chose how I reactedinstead of just reacting right
you know emotionally yeah andAnd so I responded instead of
reacted and it was so empoweringand it was amazing, you know,
(17:24):
and I was like, I don't do thismore, but it's really hard and
it takes a lot of practice andit's slow going and I'm not
perfect at it.
So me neither.
(17:48):
You want to always think yourfeelings.
You want to feel your feelings.
We can't think our nervoussystems into safety.
It doesn't work that way.
Our nervous systems don't learnthrough our thoughts.
They learn through ourexperiences.
Yeah, through our physicalexperience, body experience.
So it's important to go throughthe– at least we found it's
(18:12):
important to go through theexercise of actually being
thoughtful and mindful and kindof figuring out the root cause
of the limiting beliefs andwhat's really going on so we can
hold that space for ourselvesand that gentleness and
compassion but then alongsidethat it's so important to
actually take action and I don'tmean jump straight into the deep
(18:35):
end before having swimminglessons I mean taking small baby
steps yeah and the small babysteps are going to grow and
build and get you to where youwant to go on your journey
whereas if you just jumpstraight in sometimes, then you
kind of sink and have a hardtime.
Keep going.
You're like, wait, I can't treadwater yet.
(18:57):
I don't know how to do this.
I agree.
I think sometimes that firstaction step is literally just
taking a deep breath.
Taking a deep breath, resettingyour nervous system.
It really is a physical thing.
(19:17):
Doing those physical things likedeep breathing exercises
relaxing your muscles in yourbody you know like physically
telling your signaling your bodyyeah I am safe like breathing
slower right when you breatheslower that signals to your to
your body that you are in a safeplace you're safe right yeah
(19:38):
when you relax your muscles thatsignals to your body you are in
a safe place right so there'sthings that you can actually do
physically like that that thathelp retrain your nerve Yeah.
(20:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(20:48):
That retrains your nervoussystem that this is okay.
This is safe.
This is relaxing.
This is good for me.
SPEAKER_01 (20:54):
This
SPEAKER_00 (20:54):
is a thriving thing and not a survival like, ah, you
know, scary thing.
This is good.
Right.
Right.
And maybe it's, you know,sitting at the place that you're
going to be doing the creativething.
Yeah.
(21:18):
You don't even do anything withit yet.
(21:48):
Yeah.
Doesn't end up having to looklike anything, but you're just
there moving.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're moving up, moving, usingyour body, you know, using your
movement and being there.
Yeah.
And then recognizing like, oh mygosh, I did the thing.
I was there.
(22:09):
I did it.
I spent time there and I'm okay.
Yes.
Like the world didn't end.
I didn't die.
I didn't die.
didn't die I'm still connectedto my people yeah like it's okay
yeah yeah and then the next dayor the next week whether it's a
weekly thing you're doing or adaily thing you're doing doesn't
(22:31):
matter and just that consistencyof showing up again and again
and again and taking thoselittle steps it's gonna grow
yeah it'll slowly start to feelbetter and better and you'll
want to do more and more andit'll feel more exciting and
it'll feel better that's this iswhat we found, both of us, and
what we're practicing in theexperiment.
(22:54):
And so we can honestly say thatit does work.
It does help.
It does.
Yeah.
It does help.
Sometimes it feels really sillyto just sit there and hold the
sketchbook and like, I don'tknow what I'm doing.
And then sometimes you get tothat point of like, okay, my
(23:16):
child's nap time just ended andI didn't actually draw anything
i just held it and i'm a failurebecause i didn't actually
produce anything it's like no noyou you showed up for yourself
you sat there you held it that'sall you could do today that's
okay you were still there foryourself you know you were still
there and maybe tomorrow youwill end up drawing something
(23:37):
yeah you know it's it's buildingthat foundation right it's
building that foundation ofsafety and peace and and uh
alignment and you know?
Yeah.
And showing up just in the actof, I want to be doing this.
I want to be journaling.
I want to be painting.
(23:57):
I want to be, you know, sittingat the piano, even if you don't
play anything, but like I'mhere, this is important to me.
Right.
Right.
I want to, I want to do this andI want to have this in my life
and just sitting andappreciating that, you know,
appreciating that desire andthat thing and, and kind of,
(24:18):
embodying that again you know alot of times I think we have
something that we love and thenas we grow older we kind of let
go of it this is what happenedwith for me with piano and with
art yeah I was like that was mylife you know I did it every day
all like all the time like Iwould come home from school I'd
(24:40):
play the piano you know it wasjust like that was my thing yeah
and and then I grew up out ofthe house and went to college
and got married and you know andit was still really important
and I wanted to have a piano inour home you know like I really
wanted but I wasn't I wasn'tactually playing the piano and
there were a lot of blocks thatcame up and you know just the
(25:02):
things that happened that thatblocked blocked that but um
coming back to it I mean thishas been more of a recent thing
too with um probably since theexperiment too has been helping
helping me come back intoremembering my love for it, you
know, remembering, Oh, I used tosit and I used to play piano for
(25:25):
hours.
And when I would hear a pianosong, you know, a song, I would
be so moved and, and rememberingthose feelings.
Right.
And then that helps me to likefeel it again.
Yeah.
Even if I'm not, even if I'm notplaying,
SPEAKER_01 (25:43):
but
SPEAKER_00 (25:44):
just sitting and having that remembering.
Yeah.
And connecting with myself againlike that.
It's powerful.
Even though I'm not, you know, Ilove like sitting at my piano or
even like if I'm sitting andlooking at my piano and thinking
about it, right?
Sometimes I don't have thecapacity to go play or like I
(26:05):
can't actually go play becauseI'm doing something else or
whatever.
But, you know, being in thatmindset.
Right.
And remembering is reallypowerful too.
The power of memory and ofthoughts and connecting with
yourself, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like that's been one ofthe, the first big surprises we
had with this experiment is, um,coming back to that, like
(26:27):
delight, what delights us, whatexcites us, what lights us up
and realizing how much we'd beensuppressing that.
It was like, Oh, Whoa.
Whoa.
I wasn't expecting that to belike one of the first like
revelations and, and things thatwe realized, like we need to
come back to this and startbuilding around allowing that,
(26:50):
allowing delight.
Yeah.
And joy and ourselves to be likeourselves.
Yeah.
How important that is in beingourselves.
Exactly.
It was a little mind-breaking.
Yeah.
Which, yeah, it, it's so funnyto talk about it and say it now,
(27:10):
you know, to think, well, yeah,of course the things that you
delight in would be, you know,you know, something that is
important for you to beconnected to.
But yeah, I don't know.
It's, it, it just happens.
It happens all the time and wesuppress things and we put
things to the side and we letthings go, you know.
(27:30):
Yeah.
Trying to fit in, trying to bein a certain role, you know,
what, what other people need usto be.
And we start losing ourselves.
It's easy.
Yeah.
Easy to do.
So taking back ownership ofourselves and of our delights
and our things that light us upand really make us ourselves,
(27:53):
you know, and feel joy and feelour light inside.
That is so important.
Yeah.
And it's so beautiful.
It's so beautiful because whenwe are connected to ourselves
like that and we're connected toour inner light and our inner,
you know, like joy, then we areable to show up so much better
(28:17):
in the world.
Yeah.
I, I found like in ourfriendship, I'm able to show up
better with my daughter.
I'm able to show up better withthe other relationships I have.
Um, and I've had other friendsand people notice and be like,
Oh, same.
Like, like you feel more happyand lighter and more like you.
(28:38):
And this is nice.
This is like, I'm so, I'm sohappy to be with you right now
because you feel so much moreyou.
I, my, my, my other best friend.
Um, I was, I was telling herabout all of this for the first
time, you know, and, um, I wasgetting really excited and
passionate.
She started crying because shewas like, you just lit up so
(29:00):
much and you, you felt like you,you know, and it was so
beautiful to see.
Um, and it's powerful.
Yeah.
It's powerful.
And you're more energized,right?
That's a big one.
That makes a difference.
And we're excited to get upevery day yeah so it makes it's
(29:22):
it makes a huge difference andit really is so impactful and so
important yeah I find itinteresting that we do tend to
suppress and hold ourselves backin order to stay connected with
community and yet as we've beenletting that go we found more
connection isn't thatinteresting yeah yeah I feel
like as we're trying to pretzelourselves mold ourselves into
(29:45):
what we think you know ourcommunity would want us to be
yeah we end up distancingourselves from right because
we're not being ourselves yeahthen how do we have genuine
connection and relationshipexactly exactly we can't
actually connect yeah in a realway yeah when we're not being
our real selves fascinating ilove it well if you want to hear
(30:08):
how we survive the first week ofsummer and make time for our
creativity check into our checkout our next episode because
we're We will talk about it.
And if you want more ideas onhow to make more time and space
for creativity, hacks orwhatever, let us know.
(30:30):
Yeah.
And we'll talk about that in afuture episode.
Yeah.
So try to remember, take timefor yourself.
You do have time and it'simportant and you are worth it.
We'll see you next time.
That's it for today, friend.
Thanks for spending this timewith us.
We hope you're leaving with alittle more light, a little more
(30:52):
peace, and maybe even a nudge togo be creative just because it
brings a little more joy to yourlife.
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Until next time, keep making,keep softening, and keep showing
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