June 23, 2025 • 34 mins
We started recording back at week 1, but between tech glitches and wobbly beginnings, week 3 felt like the real beginning. So that’s where we’re starting. In this first shared episode of The Art Peace Experiment, we’re diving into the conversation that brought it all to life - week 3 of our 52-week creative journey.
We talk about what it means to flourish as a human, the fears that keep us from starting, and why creativity is such a vital part of joy, healing, and self-expression. From watercolor mishaps to Moana quotes, this episode is full of laughter, honesty, and heartfelt reflection on what it takes to begin - even when it’s messy.
✨ Inside this episode:
- The wisdom of Aristotle (and a little mispronunciation)
- Why growth matters more than perfection
- Nature as a mirror for human creativity
- Learning to trust our creative voice again
This one’s for anyone who’s ever whispered, “I want to try, but I’m scared…” (or stared at a blank page for 20 minutes and then reorganized the spice rack instead).
If you’ve ever waited to feel “ready” before starting something new… we get it. We waited, doubted, wrestled with microphones—and then started anyway.
This episode is our gentle reminder that beginnings are allowed to be wobbly, weird, and wonderfully imperfect. You’re not behind. You’re not doing it wrong. You’re just beginning. And we’re so glad you’re here.
Thank you so much for listening.
If you know someone who needs this kind of gentle nudge, send it their way. The more kind, creative hearts in this space, the better.
And if something in this episode resonates or makes you smile, come say hi on Instagram @theartpeaceexperiment 🤍
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome to the Art Piece Experiment.
(00:06):
We're your hosts, two artistsand friends.
I'm Tasha.
And I'm Brianna.
at the end of 2024 we decided wewanted to cultivate more safety
peace love alignment andexcitement through our art and
our art practices so here we aresharing our journey with you and
(00:28):
we're so excited you're here wehope you enjoy our conversations
they're honest raw just Twofriends talking to each other
about the realities of life andcreativity.
We're so excited for you to joinus and be along with us for the
journey.
We're currently two months intothe art piece experiment, but
we've been recording podcastepisodes throughout this entire
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time.
The first few weeks...
not quite worth sharing.
We were learning what we weredoing, but week three, we felt
pretty good about it.
And we want to share theconversation that we had.
We have one that's really just aconversation talking about art
and life and what creativitymeans to us.
And that's part one.
Part two for this week is thecheck-in.
(01:14):
We have an artist check-in wherewe talk about the actual art
that we created and what we kindof learned from that.
So I hope you enjoy part one ofthe first episode of our
podcast.
Week three.
A whole nother week.
(01:35):
Okay, normally I ask you what Ifyou painted this week, but I'm
going to break the mold a littlebit.
And I actually want to share aquote that I got from a book
that I listened to whilepainting.
Oh, I love it.
Okay.
Let me hear it.
This past week.
Now you have to forgive me alittle bit because there is a
word in this quote that I do notknow how to pronounce.
(01:55):
So I'm just going to.
Let everyone know right off thebat.
I don't know how to pronouncethis word.
Fair warning.
But it's a good enough quotethat I'm going to embarrass
myself to share it anyways.
Excellent.
Okay.
So it's from a book called TheHappiness Advantage.
And it is a business book.
Okay.
But this quote is good even forpeople who don't want business
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books because it's not aboutbusiness.
Okay.
It's about happiness.
Okay.
All right.
And says, perhaps the mostaccurate term for happiness,
then, is the one Aristotle used.
Edemonia.
I don't know how to pronounceit.
Say it.
Edemonia.
Edemonia.
Which translates not directly tohappiness, but to human
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flourishing.
Human flourishing.
Yeah.
And I just felt like we neededto talk about that today.
And I wanted to see if thatresonated with you the way it
did.
really resonated with me.
Yeah.
I love that.
Happiness means humanflourishing.
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That's powerful.
That's so good.
I know, right?
He has a few other things inthere that he said that I also
had to jot down.
Like happiness is the joy wefeel striving after our
potential, which just built onthat idea of human flourishing.
And yeah, you know, happiness isnot the belief that we don't
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need change.
It is the realization that wecan.
And to me, that really just goeswith not necessarily like
change, but like we can grow.
It's this idea that we can grow.
All about the growth mindset.
Right.
That flourishing, that growth,that it's not about the
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arriving.
It's about the journey.
Yes.
Oh, so good.
I love it.
And I, you know, listened tothat while I was painting a
flower.
So it was, it was good.
Perfect moment there, rightthere.
Yeah.
It reminded me of a conversationwe had that you shared, you
shared with me.
You know, I think you heard thisfrom somebody else, but that,
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you know, like we as humans,we're the only ones that really
hold ourselves back in natureand that, you know like flowers
and trees and everything elsethey just do what they have to
do to not just survive but toflourish you know they reach for
that sunlight they grow theirroots to find the water in the
soil like they don't hold backthey're like no this is me and
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i'm gonna i'm gonna thrive andbe beautiful and like beautify
the world Yeah, I just love thatso much.
I heard that from ValerieMcKeon, and she is amazing, and
I love her.
But she was talking about that,like how, yeah, in nature, a
rose doesn't look at a daisy andsay, oh, I'm not a daisy, so I
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shouldn't bloom to my full, youknow, like I got to hide myself.
No, they take all the sunlightthey get.
They take all the water theyget.
They take all the nutrients inthe soil that they get, and they
just bloom.
They just go for it.
They just bloom to their fullestpotential, right?
And I'm so grateful that theydo.
SPEAKER_02 (05:10):
And
SPEAKER_00 (05:11):
wouldn't we be missing out, right?
If they didn't, it would be sosad to not be able to experience
a rose because it was afraid itwasn't a daisy or embarrassed
or, you know.
Yeah.
And it's the same with us ashumans.
You know, we all have theseamazing experiences.
traits and gifts and talents andpoints of view and perspectives.
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And we all have something worthsharing because we're all
unique.
And aren't we grateful for thepeople that do show up and do
share themselves, their essence?
For the people that make themost impact on our lives, it's
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because they have shown up.
They have shown up.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of thingsonline lately of artists and
other creatives being like, oh,the world is so dark right now.
Is it even worth it to create?
And is it okay to share?
Share happy things.
Share happy things, right.
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And share this beauty.
And it's like, yes, we need it.
Yeah, because it's so hardsometimes.
That's the reason that we needthe light to help in the
darkness, to shine in thedarkness.
We need the beauty of the worldand the beauty of people, of
human beings, you know?
(06:39):
Yeah.
That hope and that light.
Yeah.
I mean, the sun doesn't say,well, it was really dark last
night, so maybe I shouldn'tshine today.
Yeah.
It comes up every day anyways.
And then the night comes everynight.
You know, it's like...
It's okay to have both withinourselves, within society, and
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it's okay to shine.
Because without those cloudydays, we wouldn't be so happy to
have the warm, sunny days.
It's true.
It's true.
If we didn't experience thecold, cloudy days.
miserable depressing you knowdays we wouldn't be so joyous I
mean it's the first week ofspring this week and it's like
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yay I'm so happy the sun isshining the tulips are coming up
cold winter growing and it's sofull of joy and hope and like
relief you know and thosepositive feelings but if it was
that way all the time It wouldbe like, eh, it's just another
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day, you know?
Yeah.
And, like, how often do we lookat ourselves and just think,
like, you know, we all havethose moments of just, you know,
stopping ourselves from growingand flourishing and, you know,
being that light and being thatbeauty and feeling like, oh, now
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how could I make, like, Icouldn't make someone else's day
better.
I couldn't, you know.
yeah right be that or like I'mnot deserving of that like yeah
you are deserving of being thatlight and that goodness and like
just the fact that you existmakes the world a better a
better place yeah yeah and Idon't know I just so good that
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kind of reminds me of aconversation I had with Danny my
son the other day he was askingme he was like mom what are some
of the worst things that haveever happened in your life?
And then he was asking, what aresome of the best things that
have ever happened in your life?
And, um, you know, I was kind ofthinking about it.
Um, and I was like, well, youare the best thing, obviously.
(09:01):
Right.
First and foremost.
But then after that, it was kindof like, well, aunt Tasha, aunt
Tasha is the best thing.
Um, that's right.
But it was kind of like, it washard to pick like a singular
thing.
And as I was thinking about it,I was like, you know, some of
(09:24):
the best things in my life havecome because of some of the
hardest things in my life.
Yeah.
And the growth that I've had andthe people that I've met because
of experiences and like, I don'tknow, just like the things that
have happened because of thehard things.
Right.
Ended up being some of the verybest things in my life.
UNKNOWN (09:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:48):
and um it's just kind of an interesting
observation to make that um youknow going back to the dark and
the light and like needing bothin life right if we didn't have
the dark we wouldn't appreciatethe light and um yeah and so
(10:09):
knowing that we all have Yeah.
Yeah.
(10:39):
but to go on that journey ofgrowth.
And what was the quote?
What did they say?
We've got to read it again.
The full thing?
Yes, all of them.
Oh, my gosh.
Hang on.
Let me find it.
Okay.
Perhaps the most accurate termfor happiness, then, is the one
Aristotle used, edemonia, whichtranslates not directly to
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happiness, but to humanflourishing.
SPEAKER_01 (11:04):
Human
SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
flourishing.
UNKNOWN (11:07):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
I love that.
And with, you know, in nature,there are good days and bad
days.
There's, there are days where itjust downpours.
Yeah.
But then that means that theyget stronger roots, stronger
roots, right?
When the wind blows, they, theygrow stronger.
When the floods come in, theyget more water, right?
(11:31):
Like they, like they get thethings that they need through
the, through the hard times too.
Yeah.
And then the sun shines and theyneed that too, you know?
Right.
And there's this full balance inthat cycle.
Yeah.
Right.
And growth.
It's beautiful.
It's just growth.
It is beautiful.
And, like, all of those days andtimes are beautiful, except for
maybe wind.
(11:52):
I don't really like wind.
Okay.
Well, just destroyed my points alittle bit.
But, you know.
I mean, we just got to cover,you know, cover up.
But, I mean, you know, we don'thave to, like, love and cherish
all of those bad times.
That's right.
We don't have to.
Or even times of growth.
Like, that's not necessary.
(12:12):
We don't have to like that.
It is helpful to recognize thegrowth that came from those
times.
And it's not even a matter oflike, oh, I'm so grateful that
that happened.
But you can come back to thislike, I am grateful that I am
resilient.
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I am grateful that I took thatbad situation and I learned and
I grew.
It's like being grateful for...
that um power within yourself toyou know being this this thing
that can flourish and can growlike that's amazing yeah and i
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think that is in kind of allareas of our life too and um
even like in creativity knowingthat it's not gonna look good
the first time you know likewe're gonna have times of
frustration and times oflearning and we learn from the
things that go wrong right rightwe just watched moana 2 and the
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crazy builder lady she is likethere's only learning then no
she said there's only failurethen learning then death oh my
gosh it's kind of funny but it'skind of true at the same time a
little bit you know like we failwe learn from we learn from our
failures she says that with suchhappiness and contentment she
(13:41):
does she's like so excited aboutit and it's really funny but um
but it kind of got me thinkingabout that you know like it's
really it's okay to fail youknow like it's okay to fail
because you're learning from it
SPEAKER_02 (13:56):
it's
SPEAKER_00 (13:56):
okay to not get it right because you're learning
now that's not how to do it theway that you want to do it or,
you know?
Right.
And so then it just, it buildsyour, your, your knowledge and
it builds your experience and itbuilds your growth and your
resiliency.
You know, it's just, it's reallya good thing.
Yeah.
It's a great thing.
(14:17):
And sometimes we can get sodiscouraged, like speaking from
personal experience, you know?
Right.
UNKNOWN (14:26):
Like,
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
sometimes I get so discouraged and sometimes I like
the fear of failing just makesme not even start, you know,
like I don't even start becauseI'm afraid of failing.
Right.
It's like this thing that's soimportant to me that I want to
do.
I'm not going to do it becausethat's so relatable.
(14:46):
Yeah.
So, uh, having that like mindsetshift of failing is a, is a good
thing and it can be a joy rightmaybe take some of that yeah
happy energy from moana too andsay it's okay it's okay we
failed i mean i didn't painttraditionally for years because
(15:09):
of that right the fear ofwasting paint and messing up
paper and it's like okay butyeah Now that I've started
again, it's like, why did I waitso long to do this?
Yes.
Yeah.
When you finally actually startand you're like, oh, this is
amazing.
(15:30):
This is amazing.
But had I started sooner, Istill would have been in that
mindset of like, I just wastedpaper.
I just wasted paint.
And it would have been like thisreally negative thing.
So I had to go through thatemotional journey and growth to
get to that point of being like,you know what?
It's okay if I mess this up.
I love that because I feel likesometimes when I hear people say
(15:51):
that, I wish I just startedsooner, you know, and then I
like think about myself and whatI'm holding myself back from.
And then I'm like, oh, I'mholding myself back.
And then I like go into thatself-criticism, you know, like.
Right.
Make myself feel bad.
Yeah.
Like I should have startedsooner like them, but I didn't
and I'm still not going.
Terrible.
Yeah.
There's something wrong with me.
Yeah.
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All the negative things.
But really, you have to be.
You have to go on that journey,and that's a good journey to go
on.
It is a good journey to go on.
And it's okay to go on thatjourney, and it's okay to take
your time and to warm up to itand take baby steps and just
kind of think about it for along time.
And that's okay.
(16:34):
That's okay.
That's okay, and it's goodbecause those are things that
help you too.
I mean, I think it's importantto take steps forward.
Yes.
I think sometimes, which I'mvery guilty of this, sometimes
we feel like we just have toleap in full throttle and just
go for the thing.
(16:55):
If you're going to do it, go allin.
Yeah, which, yeah, I do that.
We just had a conversation.
We did.
We did.
About that.
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh, what were we eventalking about?
I don't remember.
I think we were talking aboutlearning how to crochet.
(17:16):
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
We were talking about learninghow to crochet and, you know,
how difficult it is to like makelittle stuffed animals and
stuff.
And I was like, that's probablynot the best thing for a
beginner to start with becauseit's kind of hard.
And she was like, well, do Iever start anything?
Why would I make a scarf if Ican make a stuffed animal?
UNKNOWN (17:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
Like I want to make something for my daughter and
yeah.
Jump right in.
Jump right in.
Don't make it easy for myself.
Yeah.
So.
Which is fine too.
That's great.
It's fine.
It's fine.
You know, I started making oneand it has all different size
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legs and arms and everything.
It's very wonky and so cute.
And she's going to love it whenyou finish it.
Whenever I finish it.
It's currently in the closet.
50 years old.
Yes.
She'll like find all the piecesand be like, maybe I'll finish
this for you, mom.
Yeah.
(18:20):
She'll show it to her kids andbe like, look at your silly.
Your grandma.
Look what your grandma made.
So lovingly attempted for me.
And then moved on to embroiderybecause that is my soft art of
choice.
It's more fun.
But that was good.
You tried crochet and you werelike, actually, I don't know
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that this is for me.
I don't find joy in this.
Yeah, I still want to dosomething with textile, you
know, like red and yarn.
And so then it led you toembroidery, which And you've
tried and you found, I lovethis.
Like it's, you're finding somuch joy in it.
I get to draw.
Yeah.
I get to draw and then.
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Paint with threads.
Paint with threads, which is,it's so much fun and it's so
relaxing.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:10):
Anyways, it's great.
I think I had another point thatI was going towards and then
derailed with, with this story,but that was, that was fun.
Yeah.
That was fun.
Yeah.
UNKNOWN (19:20):
Um,
SPEAKER_00 (19:20):
Well, I don't remember where that was going,
but I did have a question foryou.
So, you know, thinking aboutthis human flourishing, I am
curious if you think like you,let's just keep it like from
individual perspective, but doyou think you as an individual
could flourish withoutcreativity?
I, that is such a good question.
(19:43):
I really, I don't think sobecause I fully believe that
that creativity is something soinherent that, like, I think we
are all born with it, butindividually.
I know that, like, I would justkind of shrivel up and die.
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Like, you know, like, I wouldjust be such a shell
SPEAKER_01 (20:10):
that
SPEAKER_00 (20:12):
without creativity and without those ways to
express myself, and that goeswithin, like, not even just
painting, but doing like crochetor sewing or making, beading
bracelets or whatever, ordecorating my home.
Those are all ways that Iexpress myself creatively and
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are a way that I find joy andfulfillment.
in and so without creativitywithout being able to express
those things and without youknow art in that way and like
singing and dancing and you knowplaying the piano yeah playing
the piano it's huge for me andso um yeah it would be miserable
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like life would just be sad andand dismal and just so gray like
that's the image that I keep youknow it's like in those
infomercials where they're likeoh gray now and they're like
this you don't want this youknow yeah that's exactly what
just popped into my head I wasgoing to say the same thing the
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terrible life and then you getthis vacuum and your life is
wonderful the vacuum ofcreativity yup Okay, so now I
want to hear your answer to thequestion.
Yeah, I would shrivel up anddie.
I don't think.
I think I would lose pretty muchall will to live.
(21:49):
Yeah.
I mean, I am a mom, so I wouldkeep plugging on for her, but I
feel like even motherhood is anact of creativity.
Yes.
You have to think up so manydifferent things yeah in a
creative way in a different wayyou know like how do I handle
this meltdown yeah what are wemaking for dinner tonight how do
(22:11):
I explain this thing how do wesurvive summer and having this
child like you know like Yeah.
What activities can we do sothat we don't go crazy or like
that we'll teach them this oneprinciple that I'm trying to
instill in them or, you know,like so that we can have fun
together.
Right.
There's so much creativity.
(22:32):
So much.
And, you know, my main joys inlife are being a mom and
creating art.
Yeah.
And reading books, which isamazing.
somebody else's creativity yeahum right like all the things
that we enjoy ingesting whoa allthe things that we enjoy like
(22:56):
ingesting that's a weird way toput it i don't know i can't
think of a different way but allthe things that we enjoy in life
also consume yeah yeah are arecreative things from other
people you know yeah come fromother people's creativity.
Shows, music, books, artwork,all the things that make life
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enjoyable and fun and joyous.
I mean, even nature, somethingabout nature feels very
creative.
Yeah, because no two flowers arethe same.
The leaves on the tree are...
all a little bit different orlike there's there's differences
(23:41):
and there's creativity andthere's um the flower made a
really great creative choiceit's blooming so on point love
it uh yeah yeah but nature imean that's all that it is is
creation yeah Which isbeautiful.
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It's beautiful.
Like all the worthwhile goodthings in life, I feel like stem
from creativity.
Yeah.
And, and, you know, like we're,we're artists, we focus on, on
art, but something aesthetic.
Yeah.
The aesthetic and all of that,but creativity comes in so many
(24:24):
different forms.
Yeah.
as well.
Like, you know, one example thatI always cooking, what are we
going to have for dinnertonight?
Yeah.
But like something that alwaysstick that has stuck with me
since I was a teenager was mybrother was in a really horrible
rock climbing accident and hewould have lost his feet.
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But, you know, probably wouldhave been amputated.
Like, part legs down and wouldhave lost both of his feet and
never would have.
Well, I mean, I suppose he couldhave walked again, potentially
different things.
But the only reason that he wasable to keep his feet is because
he was flighted to a hospitalwhere there was a surgeon there
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who had just invented thissurgery.
Wow.
That could put his feet backtogether.
My goodness.
And saved them.
And You know, you don't alwaysthink of like doctors as being
creative.
Yeah.
But he invented this surgery.
He's the only person in theentire world that could have
done this surgery.
And he happened to be at thehospital.
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So like miracles upon miracles.
But it was this man's creativitythat had this huge impact on,
you know, another human's lifethat then impacted, you know,
the rest of his family life.
You know, like his futurefamily.
His future family.
Like, you know, my little nieceand nephew.
(25:53):
I know.
Two little kids.
Yeah.
Two little kids now.
And now he's a doctor.
A foot doctor.
A foot doctor.
Yeah.
It totally impacted the rest ofhis life and then the lives that
he in turn impacts.
Yeah.
And it stemmed from one personwho embraced their creativity.
(26:16):
Right.
And so creativity comes in somany different forms, but it is
what makes the world, society,individuals beautiful.
SPEAKER_02 (26:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:26):
Like it adds that worthwhile element of not just,
you know, not just surviving,but like thriving, flourishing.
Yeah.
I love that so much.
Me too.
I am very passionate about this.
I feel like it's, you know, Ijust want everyone to embrace
their own unique creativity and,you know, not comparison, not
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looking at other people and, youknow, like, well, they're
creative this way, so I shouldbe that way too.
And it's like, no, no, no.
Embrace what is special aboutyou.
Yeah.
And that is what's going to havethe most impact.
the most impact, not only onyour life, but touching
everybody around you and makingthe world more beautiful.
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So I feel like I hear a lot too.
Oh, I don't like, I'm notcreative.
False.
Yeah.
That's a lie.
That is a lie.
That's a lie.
That is a lie.
You were telling yourself.
Yeah.
Or that somebody has, you know,like whether it's society, like
you've been brainwashed.
Yeah.
Where you feel like you, what itmeans to be creative is only
(27:32):
like in one way.
Yeah.
You know, there's only one wayto be creative.
That's false.
False.
That's not true.
Just call us the creative mythbusters here.
Here we go.
That's our new slogan.
New slogan.
But I hear that a lot frompeople.
Yeah.
Oh, I can't draw, so I'm notcreative.
Or, you know, like I can't dothis.
Oh, I'm not really thatcreative.
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And even me, like even I havefelt in the past, like I'm not
really that creative.
Like I can copy things, but I'mnot creative.
It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa.
Let's stop, rewind, and thinkabout that for a second.
Because we are all created withsuch immense creativity.
(28:17):
We are just born that way.
I mean, there were studies doneon children that shows that.
because of their creativitylevels, they're like a genius
level.
Right.
And then as they go through lifeand as they go through school
and you start conforming.
Conform, yeah, and are not ableto keep the creative problem
(28:40):
solving and things like that,then they're like- Less genius.
Yeah.
They're like, I don't know ifit's their IQ, but they let go
of that creativity, right?
And so- It's, it's not that wedon't have it.
It's just that we haven't maybelearned how to use it or learn
(29:02):
how to recognize our creativity.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
Because we, I mean, just like wewere talking about with
motherhood, we were beingcreative.
every single moment, right?
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
Like it's even just, yeah.
Like thinking about what to makefor dinner tonight is an act of
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creativity.
Yeah.
Because it's, it's thinkingoutside the box a little bit.
It's like using our own, I don'tknow, like what is creativity?
I guess maybe we should talkabout that.
Like what is creativity?
Yeah.
I mean, I mean thinking aboutit, like even something like
empathy and compassion are actsof creativity.
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in a way.
You know, it's like gettingoutside of yourself and sending
love, like loving other peoplethat are different than you
takes an amount of creativity.
Yeah.
Thinking outside of your ownexperience.
Right.
And imagination, right?
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Empathy, you kind of have tohave imagination with that.
Yeah.
Because you have to imagine whatit would feel like.
You have to imagine what they'vegone through and you know you
put yourself in their shoesthat's like using your
imagination of how you wouldfeel right and that often
because you haven't actuallyfelt that you haven't actually
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felt that you haven't actuallyfelt that you know because you
haven't actually experiencedthat but by using your
creativity and your imaginationthat emotion can come up like
you can actually feel you knowsadness because of thinking
about somebody else's sadness orjoy, thinking of someone else's
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joy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And a lot of times that comesfrom storytelling
SPEAKER_01 (30:51):
too.
UNKNOWN (30:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:52):
Like hearing another person's story, whether you get
it from, you know, a movie thatshows a different experience
from yours or, you know, afriend who shares something with
you and it opens your, opensyour mind to something new.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the only way to, I feellike, really embrace that is
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through your own creativity andimagination.
And, you know, it runs deep.
Yeah.
It runs deep because it's justthat whole part of your soul.
SPEAKER_01 (31:24):
You
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
know, it runs on creativity.
Yeah.
It's in our very essence.
And so if you think you don'thave creativity...
just know that that's not true.
Like you are born creative andyou just have to figure out what
that looks like for you.
Like what feels good to you and,and, and really embrace the,
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your intuition and your ownfeelings and what interests you
and excites you.
Yeah.
And, and it'll, you know, it'lllead you to finding your, your,
your way to your creativity andlead you into creative pursuits.
Right.
Just like with crochet, you werelike, Oh, that looks cool.
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I really want to try it.
And then you realize it wasn'tfor you.
And that led you to, like, youknow, it was because you
embraced that.
Yeah.
Like interest and that desireand.
Willingness to fail.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
And then it led to somethingeven better.
Try and try again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Yep.
Yep.
Which I love.
And, and, you know, notnecessarily looking at all of
that as like failures.
Like sometimes I, that word is,feels a little harsh.
Yeah.
But it's just, it's just thosetaking, taking those steps
forward to discovery and.
An experiment.
An experiment, which it's, it'sall just play.
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Which is, I think a lot of whywe called what we're doing the
art piece experiment.
SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:58):
Because we're trying to, We're experimenting.
We are.
We're trying to figure out howto find peace in our creativity.
Right.
And how to really embrace that.
Yeah.
And not be afraid of failing.
Yeah.
Which, you know, comes down toloving ourselves.
Yeah.
It's really an experiment aboutloving ourselves.
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I know.
Which creativity is all aboutcoming back to that, you know, I
am worthy of thriving.
SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (33:29):
Like I'm not just surviving.
I am putting beauty into thisworld.
Yeah.
And really connecting with yourinner self.
Yep.
Like your true self.
Yeah.
Is what, I don't know.
I think that's what the journeyreally is about for me is
learning who I am and what Ilike and what I want out of
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life.
Right.
and learning how to thrive.
Yeah.
And what beauty do I want tocreate.
Yeah.
And put out in the world.
Right.
UNKNOWN (33:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:04):
Thank you so much for joining us.
We're so glad that you're here.
If you'd like to give us acomment or leave any takeaways
that you had from this episode,we would love to hear your
thoughts and have you join ourlittle community.
Episode two is here andavailable now.
We talk about our artistcheck-in and what we did during
the week to help us create aspace of safety and joy around
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our creativity.
So if you'd like to have alisten, go ahead and pop in in
the next episode and we'll seeyou there.
Music
Welcome to the Art Piece Experiment.
(00:06):
We're your hosts, two artistsand friends.
I'm Tasha.
And I'm Brianna.
at the end of 2024 we decided wewanted to cultivate more safety
peace love alignment andexcitement through our art and
our art practices so here we aresharing our journey with you and
(00:28):
we're so excited you're here wehope you enjoy our conversations
they're honest raw just Twofriends talking to each other
about the realities of life andcreativity.
We're so excited for you to joinus and be along with us for the
journey.
We're currently two months intothe art piece experiment, but
we've been recording podcastepisodes throughout this entire
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time.
The first few weeks...
not quite worth sharing.
We were learning what we weredoing, but week three, we felt
pretty good about it.
And we want to share theconversation that we had.
We have one that's really just aconversation talking about art
and life and what creativitymeans to us.
And that's part one.
Part two for this week is thecheck-in.
(01:14):
We have an artist check-in wherewe talk about the actual art
that we created and what we kindof learned from that.
So I hope you enjoy part one ofthe first episode of our
podcast.
Week three.
A whole nother week.
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Okay, normally I ask you what Ifyou painted this week, but I'm
going to break the mold a littlebit.
And I actually want to share aquote that I got from a book
that I listened to whilepainting.
Oh, I love it.
Okay.
Let me hear it.
This past week.
Now you have to forgive me alittle bit because there is a
word in this quote that I do notknow how to pronounce.
(01:55):
So I'm just going to.
Let everyone know right off thebat.
I don't know how to pronouncethis word.
Fair warning.
But it's a good enough quotethat I'm going to embarrass
myself to share it anyways.
Excellent.
Okay.
So it's from a book called TheHappiness Advantage.
And it is a business book.
Okay.
But this quote is good even forpeople who don't want business
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books because it's not aboutbusiness.
Okay.
It's about happiness.
Okay.
All right.
And says, perhaps the mostaccurate term for happiness,
then, is the one Aristotle used.
Edemonia.
I don't know how to pronounceit.
Say it.
Edemonia.
Edemonia.
Which translates not directly tohappiness, but to human
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flourishing.
Human flourishing.
Yeah.
And I just felt like we neededto talk about that today.
And I wanted to see if thatresonated with you the way it
did.
really resonated with me.
Yeah.
I love that.
Happiness means humanflourishing.
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That's powerful.
That's so good.
I know, right?
He has a few other things inthere that he said that I also
had to jot down.
Like happiness is the joy wefeel striving after our
potential, which just built onthat idea of human flourishing.
And yeah, you know, happiness isnot the belief that we don't
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need change.
It is the realization that wecan.
And to me, that really just goeswith not necessarily like
change, but like we can grow.
It's this idea that we can grow.
All about the growth mindset.
Right.
That flourishing, that growth,that it's not about the
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arriving.
It's about the journey.
Yes.
Oh, so good.
I love it.
And I, you know, listened tothat while I was painting a
flower.
So it was, it was good.
Perfect moment there, rightthere.
Yeah.
It reminded me of a conversationwe had that you shared, you
shared with me.
You know, I think you heard thisfrom somebody else, but that,
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you know, like we as humans,we're the only ones that really
hold ourselves back in natureand that, you know like flowers
and trees and everything elsethey just do what they have to
do to not just survive but toflourish you know they reach for
that sunlight they grow theirroots to find the water in the
soil like they don't hold backthey're like no this is me and
(04:28):
i'm gonna i'm gonna thrive andbe beautiful and like beautify
the world Yeah, I just love thatso much.
I heard that from ValerieMcKeon, and she is amazing, and
I love her.
But she was talking about that,like how, yeah, in nature, a
rose doesn't look at a daisy andsay, oh, I'm not a daisy, so I
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shouldn't bloom to my full, youknow, like I got to hide myself.
No, they take all the sunlightthey get.
They take all the water theyget.
They take all the nutrients inthe soil that they get, and they
just bloom.
They just go for it.
They just bloom to their fullestpotential, right?
And I'm so grateful that theydo.
SPEAKER_02 (05:10):
And
SPEAKER_00 (05:11):
wouldn't we be missing out, right?
If they didn't, it would be sosad to not be able to experience
a rose because it was afraid itwasn't a daisy or embarrassed
or, you know.
Yeah.
And it's the same with us ashumans.
You know, we all have theseamazing experiences.
traits and gifts and talents andpoints of view and perspectives.
(05:36):
And we all have something worthsharing because we're all
unique.
And aren't we grateful for thepeople that do show up and do
share themselves, their essence?
For the people that make themost impact on our lives, it's
(05:57):
because they have shown up.
They have shown up.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of thingsonline lately of artists and
other creatives being like, oh,the world is so dark right now.
Is it even worth it to create?
And is it okay to share?
Share happy things.
Share happy things, right.
(06:18):
And share this beauty.
And it's like, yes, we need it.
Yeah, because it's so hardsometimes.
That's the reason that we needthe light to help in the
darkness, to shine in thedarkness.
We need the beauty of the worldand the beauty of people, of
human beings, you know?
(06:39):
Yeah.
That hope and that light.
Yeah.
I mean, the sun doesn't say,well, it was really dark last
night, so maybe I shouldn'tshine today.
Yeah.
It comes up every day anyways.
And then the night comes everynight.
You know, it's like...
It's okay to have both withinourselves, within society, and
(07:05):
it's okay to shine.
Because without those cloudydays, we wouldn't be so happy to
have the warm, sunny days.
It's true.
It's true.
If we didn't experience thecold, cloudy days.
miserable depressing you knowdays we wouldn't be so joyous I
mean it's the first week ofspring this week and it's like
(07:28):
yay I'm so happy the sun isshining the tulips are coming up
cold winter growing and it's sofull of joy and hope and like
relief you know and thosepositive feelings but if it was
that way all the time It wouldbe like, eh, it's just another
(07:51):
day, you know?
Yeah.
And, like, how often do we lookat ourselves and just think,
like, you know, we all havethose moments of just, you know,
stopping ourselves from growingand flourishing and, you know,
being that light and being thatbeauty and feeling like, oh, now
(08:13):
how could I make, like, Icouldn't make someone else's day
better.
I couldn't, you know.
yeah right be that or like I'mnot deserving of that like yeah
you are deserving of being thatlight and that goodness and like
just the fact that you existmakes the world a better a
better place yeah yeah and Idon't know I just so good that
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kind of reminds me of aconversation I had with Danny my
son the other day he was askingme he was like mom what are some
of the worst things that haveever happened in your life?
And then he was asking, what aresome of the best things that
have ever happened in your life?
And, um, you know, I was kind ofthinking about it.
Um, and I was like, well, youare the best thing, obviously.
(09:01):
Right.
First and foremost.
But then after that, it was kindof like, well, aunt Tasha, aunt
Tasha is the best thing.
Um, that's right.
But it was kind of like, it washard to pick like a singular
thing.
And as I was thinking about it,I was like, you know, some of
(09:24):
the best things in my life havecome because of some of the
hardest things in my life.
Yeah.
And the growth that I've had andthe people that I've met because
of experiences and like, I don'tknow, just like the things that
have happened because of thehard things.
Right.
Ended up being some of the verybest things in my life.
UNKNOWN (09:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:48):
and um it's just kind of an interesting
observation to make that um youknow going back to the dark and
the light and like needing bothin life right if we didn't have
the dark we wouldn't appreciatethe light and um yeah and so
(10:09):
knowing that we all have Yeah.
Yeah.
(10:39):
but to go on that journey ofgrowth.
And what was the quote?
What did they say?
We've got to read it again.
The full thing?
Yes, all of them.
Oh, my gosh.
Hang on.
Let me find it.
Okay.
Perhaps the most accurate termfor happiness, then, is the one
Aristotle used, edemonia, whichtranslates not directly to
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happiness, but to humanflourishing.
SPEAKER_01 (11:04):
Human
SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
flourishing.
UNKNOWN (11:07):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
I love that.
And with, you know, in nature,there are good days and bad
days.
There's, there are days where itjust downpours.
Yeah.
But then that means that theyget stronger roots, stronger
roots, right?
When the wind blows, they, theygrow stronger.
When the floods come in, theyget more water, right?
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Like they, like they get thethings that they need through
the, through the hard times too.
Yeah.
And then the sun shines and theyneed that too, you know?
Right.
And there's this full balance inthat cycle.
Yeah.
Right.
And growth.
It's beautiful.
It's just growth.
It is beautiful.
And, like, all of those days andtimes are beautiful, except for
maybe wind.
(11:52):
I don't really like wind.
Okay.
Well, just destroyed my points alittle bit.
But, you know.
I mean, we just got to cover,you know, cover up.
But, I mean, you know, we don'thave to, like, love and cherish
all of those bad times.
That's right.
We don't have to.
Or even times of growth.
Like, that's not necessary.
(12:12):
We don't have to like that.
It is helpful to recognize thegrowth that came from those
times.
And it's not even a matter oflike, oh, I'm so grateful that
that happened.
But you can come back to thislike, I am grateful that I am
resilient.
(12:32):
I am grateful that I took thatbad situation and I learned and
I grew.
It's like being grateful for...
that um power within yourself toyou know being this this thing
that can flourish and can growlike that's amazing yeah and i
(12:58):
think that is in kind of allareas of our life too and um
even like in creativity knowingthat it's not gonna look good
the first time you know likewe're gonna have times of
frustration and times oflearning and we learn from the
things that go wrong right rightwe just watched moana 2 and the
(13:20):
crazy builder lady she is likethere's only learning then no
she said there's only failurethen learning then death oh my
gosh it's kind of funny but it'skind of true at the same time a
little bit you know like we failwe learn from we learn from our
failures she says that with suchhappiness and contentment she
(13:41):
does she's like so excited aboutit and it's really funny but um
but it kind of got me thinkingabout that you know like it's
really it's okay to fail youknow like it's okay to fail
because you're learning from it
SPEAKER_02 (13:56):
it's
SPEAKER_00 (13:56):
okay to not get it right because you're learning
now that's not how to do it theway that you want to do it or,
you know?
Right.
And so then it just, it buildsyour, your, your knowledge and
it builds your experience and itbuilds your growth and your
resiliency.
You know, it's just, it's reallya good thing.
Yeah.
It's a great thing.
(14:17):
And sometimes we can get sodiscouraged, like speaking from
personal experience, you know?
Right.
UNKNOWN (14:26):
Like,
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
sometimes I get so discouraged and sometimes I like
the fear of failing just makesme not even start, you know,
like I don't even start becauseI'm afraid of failing.
Right.
It's like this thing that's soimportant to me that I want to
do.
I'm not going to do it becausethat's so relatable.
(14:46):
Yeah.
So, uh, having that like mindsetshift of failing is a, is a good
thing and it can be a joy rightmaybe take some of that yeah
happy energy from moana too andsay it's okay it's okay we
failed i mean i didn't painttraditionally for years because
(15:09):
of that right the fear ofwasting paint and messing up
paper and it's like okay butyeah Now that I've started
again, it's like, why did I waitso long to do this?
Yes.
Yeah.
When you finally actually startand you're like, oh, this is
amazing.
(15:30):
This is amazing.
But had I started sooner, Istill would have been in that
mindset of like, I just wastedpaper.
I just wasted paint.
And it would have been like thisreally negative thing.
So I had to go through thatemotional journey and growth to
get to that point of being like,you know what?
It's okay if I mess this up.
I love that because I feel likesometimes when I hear people say
(15:51):
that, I wish I just startedsooner, you know, and then I
like think about myself and whatI'm holding myself back from.
And then I'm like, oh, I'mholding myself back.
And then I like go into thatself-criticism, you know, like.
Right.
Make myself feel bad.
Yeah.
Like I should have startedsooner like them, but I didn't
and I'm still not going.
Terrible.
Yeah.
There's something wrong with me.
Yeah.
(16:11):
All the negative things.
But really, you have to be.
You have to go on that journey,and that's a good journey to go
on.
It is a good journey to go on.
And it's okay to go on thatjourney, and it's okay to take
your time and to warm up to itand take baby steps and just
kind of think about it for along time.
And that's okay.
(16:34):
That's okay.
That's okay, and it's goodbecause those are things that
help you too.
I mean, I think it's importantto take steps forward.
Yes.
I think sometimes, which I'mvery guilty of this, sometimes
we feel like we just have toleap in full throttle and just
go for the thing.
(16:55):
If you're going to do it, go allin.
Yeah, which, yeah, I do that.
We just had a conversation.
We did.
We did.
About that.
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh, what were we eventalking about?
I don't remember.
I think we were talking aboutlearning how to crochet.
(17:16):
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
We were talking about learninghow to crochet and, you know,
how difficult it is to like makelittle stuffed animals and
stuff.
And I was like, that's probablynot the best thing for a
beginner to start with becauseit's kind of hard.
And she was like, well, do Iever start anything?
Why would I make a scarf if Ican make a stuffed animal?
UNKNOWN (17:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
Like I want to make something for my daughter and
yeah.
Jump right in.
Jump right in.
Don't make it easy for myself.
Yeah.
So.
Which is fine too.
That's great.
It's fine.
It's fine.
You know, I started making oneand it has all different size
(18:00):
legs and arms and everything.
It's very wonky and so cute.
And she's going to love it whenyou finish it.
Whenever I finish it.
It's currently in the closet.
50 years old.
Yes.
She'll like find all the piecesand be like, maybe I'll finish
this for you, mom.
Yeah.
(18:20):
She'll show it to her kids andbe like, look at your silly.
Your grandma.
Look what your grandma made.
So lovingly attempted for me.
And then moved on to embroiderybecause that is my soft art of
choice.
It's more fun.
But that was good.
You tried crochet and you werelike, actually, I don't know
(18:42):
that this is for me.
I don't find joy in this.
Yeah, I still want to dosomething with textile, you
know, like red and yarn.
And so then it led you toembroidery, which And you've
tried and you found, I lovethis.
Like it's, you're finding somuch joy in it.
I get to draw.
Yeah.
I get to draw and then.
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Paint with threads.
Paint with threads, which is,it's so much fun and it's so
relaxing.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:10):
Anyways, it's great.
I think I had another point thatI was going towards and then
derailed with, with this story,but that was, that was fun.
Yeah.
That was fun.
Yeah.
UNKNOWN (19:20):
Um,
SPEAKER_00 (19:20):
Well, I don't remember where that was going,
but I did have a question foryou.
So, you know, thinking aboutthis human flourishing, I am
curious if you think like you,let's just keep it like from
individual perspective, but doyou think you as an individual
could flourish withoutcreativity?
I, that is such a good question.
(19:43):
I really, I don't think sobecause I fully believe that
that creativity is something soinherent that, like, I think we
are all born with it, butindividually.
I know that, like, I would justkind of shrivel up and die.
(20:07):
Like, you know, like, I wouldjust be such a shell
SPEAKER_01 (20:10):
that
SPEAKER_00 (20:12):
without creativity and without those ways to
express myself, and that goeswithin, like, not even just
painting, but doing like crochetor sewing or making, beading
bracelets or whatever, ordecorating my home.
Those are all ways that Iexpress myself creatively and
(20:39):
are a way that I find joy andfulfillment.
in and so without creativitywithout being able to express
those things and without youknow art in that way and like
singing and dancing and you knowplaying the piano yeah playing
the piano it's huge for me andso um yeah it would be miserable
(21:05):
like life would just be sad andand dismal and just so gray like
that's the image that I keep youknow it's like in those
infomercials where they're likeoh gray now and they're like
this you don't want this youknow yeah that's exactly what
just popped into my head I wasgoing to say the same thing the
(21:26):
terrible life and then you getthis vacuum and your life is
wonderful the vacuum ofcreativity yup Okay, so now I
want to hear your answer to thequestion.
Yeah, I would shrivel up anddie.
I don't think.
I think I would lose pretty muchall will to live.
(21:49):
Yeah.
I mean, I am a mom, so I wouldkeep plugging on for her, but I
feel like even motherhood is anact of creativity.
Yes.
You have to think up so manydifferent things yeah in a
creative way in a different wayyou know like how do I handle
this meltdown yeah what are wemaking for dinner tonight how do
(22:11):
I explain this thing how do wesurvive summer and having this
child like you know like Yeah.
What activities can we do sothat we don't go crazy or like
that we'll teach them this oneprinciple that I'm trying to
instill in them or, you know,like so that we can have fun
together.
Right.
There's so much creativity.
(22:32):
So much.
And, you know, my main joys inlife are being a mom and
creating art.
Yeah.
And reading books, which isamazing.
somebody else's creativity yeahum right like all the things
that we enjoy ingesting whoa allthe things that we enjoy like
(22:56):
ingesting that's a weird way toput it i don't know i can't
think of a different way but allthe things that we enjoy in life
also consume yeah yeah are arecreative things from other
people you know yeah come fromother people's creativity.
Shows, music, books, artwork,all the things that make life
(23:19):
enjoyable and fun and joyous.
I mean, even nature, somethingabout nature feels very
creative.
Yeah, because no two flowers arethe same.
The leaves on the tree are...
all a little bit different orlike there's there's differences
(23:41):
and there's creativity andthere's um the flower made a
really great creative choiceit's blooming so on point love
it uh yeah yeah but nature imean that's all that it is is
creation yeah Which isbeautiful.
(24:03):
It's beautiful.
Like all the worthwhile goodthings in life, I feel like stem
from creativity.
Yeah.
And, and, you know, like we're,we're artists, we focus on, on
art, but something aesthetic.
Yeah.
The aesthetic and all of that,but creativity comes in so many
(24:24):
different forms.
Yeah.
as well.
Like, you know, one example thatI always cooking, what are we
going to have for dinnertonight?
Yeah.
But like something that alwaysstick that has stuck with me
since I was a teenager was mybrother was in a really horrible
rock climbing accident and hewould have lost his feet.
(24:49):
But, you know, probably wouldhave been amputated.
Like, part legs down and wouldhave lost both of his feet and
never would have.
Well, I mean, I suppose he couldhave walked again, potentially
different things.
But the only reason that he wasable to keep his feet is because
he was flighted to a hospitalwhere there was a surgeon there
(25:11):
who had just invented thissurgery.
Wow.
That could put his feet backtogether.
My goodness.
And saved them.
And You know, you don't alwaysthink of like doctors as being
creative.
Yeah.
But he invented this surgery.
He's the only person in theentire world that could have
done this surgery.
And he happened to be at thehospital.
(25:32):
So like miracles upon miracles.
But it was this man's creativitythat had this huge impact on,
you know, another human's lifethat then impacted, you know,
the rest of his family life.
You know, like his futurefamily.
His future family.
Like, you know, my little nieceand nephew.
(25:53):
I know.
Two little kids.
Yeah.
Two little kids now.
And now he's a doctor.
A foot doctor.
A foot doctor.
Yeah.
It totally impacted the rest ofhis life and then the lives that
he in turn impacts.
Yeah.
And it stemmed from one personwho embraced their creativity.
(26:16):
Right.
And so creativity comes in somany different forms, but it is
what makes the world, society,individuals beautiful.
SPEAKER_02 (26:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:26):
Like it adds that worthwhile element of not just,
you know, not just surviving,but like thriving, flourishing.
Yeah.
I love that so much.
Me too.
I am very passionate about this.
I feel like it's, you know, Ijust want everyone to embrace
their own unique creativity and,you know, not comparison, not
(26:48):
looking at other people and, youknow, like, well, they're
creative this way, so I shouldbe that way too.
And it's like, no, no, no.
Embrace what is special aboutyou.
Yeah.
And that is what's going to havethe most impact.
the most impact, not only onyour life, but touching
everybody around you and makingthe world more beautiful.
(27:10):
So I feel like I hear a lot too.
Oh, I don't like, I'm notcreative.
False.
Yeah.
That's a lie.
That is a lie.
That's a lie.
That is a lie.
You were telling yourself.
Yeah.
Or that somebody has, you know,like whether it's society, like
you've been brainwashed.
Yeah.
Where you feel like you, what itmeans to be creative is only
(27:32):
like in one way.
Yeah.
You know, there's only one wayto be creative.
That's false.
False.
That's not true.
Just call us the creative mythbusters here.
Here we go.
That's our new slogan.
New slogan.
But I hear that a lot frompeople.
Yeah.
Oh, I can't draw, so I'm notcreative.
Or, you know, like I can't dothis.
Oh, I'm not really thatcreative.
(27:52):
And even me, like even I havefelt in the past, like I'm not
really that creative.
Like I can copy things, but I'mnot creative.
It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa.
Let's stop, rewind, and thinkabout that for a second.
Because we are all created withsuch immense creativity.
(28:17):
We are just born that way.
I mean, there were studies doneon children that shows that.
because of their creativitylevels, they're like a genius
level.
Right.
And then as they go through lifeand as they go through school
and you start conforming.
Conform, yeah, and are not ableto keep the creative problem
(28:40):
solving and things like that,then they're like- Less genius.
Yeah.
They're like, I don't know ifit's their IQ, but they let go
of that creativity, right?
And so- It's, it's not that wedon't have it.
It's just that we haven't maybelearned how to use it or learn
(29:02):
how to recognize our creativity.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
Because we, I mean, just like wewere talking about with
motherhood, we were beingcreative.
every single moment, right?
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
Like it's even just, yeah.
Like thinking about what to makefor dinner tonight is an act of
(29:22):
creativity.
Yeah.
Because it's, it's thinkingoutside the box a little bit.
It's like using our own, I don'tknow, like what is creativity?
I guess maybe we should talkabout that.
Like what is creativity?
Yeah.
I mean, I mean thinking aboutit, like even something like
empathy and compassion are actsof creativity.
(29:42):
in a way.
You know, it's like gettingoutside of yourself and sending
love, like loving other peoplethat are different than you
takes an amount of creativity.
Yeah.
Thinking outside of your ownexperience.
Right.
And imagination, right?
(30:04):
Empathy, you kind of have tohave imagination with that.
Yeah.
Because you have to imagine whatit would feel like.
You have to imagine what they'vegone through and you know you
put yourself in their shoesthat's like using your
imagination of how you wouldfeel right and that often
because you haven't actuallyfelt that you haven't actually
(30:24):
felt that you haven't actuallyfelt that you know because you
haven't actually experiencedthat but by using your
creativity and your imaginationthat emotion can come up like
you can actually feel you knowsadness because of thinking
about somebody else's sadness orjoy, thinking of someone else's
(30:46):
joy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And a lot of times that comesfrom storytelling
SPEAKER_01 (30:51):
too.
UNKNOWN (30:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:52):
Like hearing another person's story, whether you get
it from, you know, a movie thatshows a different experience
from yours or, you know, afriend who shares something with
you and it opens your, opensyour mind to something new.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the only way to, I feellike, really embrace that is
(31:12):
through your own creativity andimagination.
And, you know, it runs deep.
Yeah.
It runs deep because it's justthat whole part of your soul.
SPEAKER_01 (31:24):
You
SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
know, it runs on creativity.
Yeah.
It's in our very essence.
And so if you think you don'thave creativity...
just know that that's not true.
Like you are born creative andyou just have to figure out what
that looks like for you.
Like what feels good to you and,and, and really embrace the,
(31:48):
your intuition and your ownfeelings and what interests you
and excites you.
Yeah.
And, and it'll, you know, it'lllead you to finding your, your,
your way to your creativity andlead you into creative pursuits.
Right.
Just like with crochet, you werelike, Oh, that looks cool.
(32:08):
I really want to try it.
And then you realize it wasn'tfor you.
And that led you to, like, youknow, it was because you
embraced that.
Yeah.
Like interest and that desireand.
Willingness to fail.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
And then it led to somethingeven better.
Try and try again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(32:28):
Yep.
Yep.
Which I love.
And, and, you know, notnecessarily looking at all of
that as like failures.
Like sometimes I, that word is,feels a little harsh.
Yeah.
But it's just, it's just thosetaking, taking those steps
forward to discovery and.
An experiment.
An experiment, which it's, it'sall just play.
(32:49):
Which is, I think a lot of whywe called what we're doing the
art piece experiment.
SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:58):
Because we're trying to, We're experimenting.
We are.
We're trying to figure out howto find peace in our creativity.
Right.
And how to really embrace that.
Yeah.
And not be afraid of failing.
Yeah.
Which, you know, comes down toloving ourselves.
Yeah.
It's really an experiment aboutloving ourselves.
(33:20):
I know.
Which creativity is all aboutcoming back to that, you know, I
am worthy of thriving.
SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (33:29):
Like I'm not just surviving.
I am putting beauty into thisworld.
Yeah.
And really connecting with yourinner self.
Yep.
Like your true self.
Yeah.
Is what, I don't know.
I think that's what the journeyreally is about for me is
learning who I am and what Ilike and what I want out of
(33:51):
life.
Right.
and learning how to thrive.
Yeah.
And what beauty do I want tocreate.
Yeah.
And put out in the world.
Right.
UNKNOWN (33:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:04):
Thank you so much for joining us.
We're so glad that you're here.
If you'd like to give us acomment or leave any takeaways
that you had from this episode,we would love to hear your
thoughts and have you join ourlittle community.
Episode two is here andavailable now.
We talk about our artistcheck-in and what we did during
the week to help us create aspace of safety and joy around
(34:28):
our creativity.
So if you'd like to have alisten, go ahead and pop in in
the next episode and we'll seeyou there.
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