June 30, 2025 • 24 mins
In this heart-opening episode, we’re talking about the guilt, fear, and perfectionism that often creep into our creative process, and how we’re learning to let them go. From decluttering our spaces to unlearning childhood conditioning, we explore what it means to make room (physically and emotionally) for your creative voice. If you’ve ever felt like you needed a reason to create - or worried your art wasn’t “valid” enough - this one’s for you.
🎧 Listen in for laughter, honesty, and a reminder that your creativity doesn’t need to be justified. It just needs to be yours. 🤍
Thank you so much for listening.
If you know someone who needs this kind of gentle nudge, send it their way. The more kind, creative hearts in this space, the better.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome to the Art Piece Experiment.
(00:06):
We're your hosts, two artistsand friends.
I'm Tasha.
And I'm Brianna.
at the end of 2024 we decided wewanted to cultivate more safety
peace love alignment andexcitement through our art and
our art practices so here we aresharing our journey with you and
(00:28):
we're so excited you're here wehope you enjoy our conversations
they're honest raw just twofriends talking to each other
about the realities of life andcreativity.
We're so excited for you to joinus and be along with us for the
journey.
Week four.
We made it a whole month.
(00:51):
Yay.
Yes.
And now we get a treat.
We do.
We do.
We are going to be having awriting retreat.
Who even am I?
I mean, that would be fun too.
I have too many writing friends.
No, we're having...
Oh my gosh.
We're having...
An artist retreat.
(01:15):
An artist retreat.
Because we're artists.
But, you know, a writingretreat.
Who put me in charge?
You did.
No.
Just kidding.
You're fired.
That would be fun, too, if youwanted to do a writing retreat.
I'm down.
We were just having aconversation about writing.
(01:38):
So, sorry.
Anyways, we are having an artistretreat.
It's going to be spring break.
Yep.
Kids are going to be gone onspecial trips of their own, and
we're having little ministaycations and decided to use
(01:58):
it for fun.
Yeah.
So this week, I have beenpreparing for...
what I'm going to do thisupcoming week.
And a lot of it revolved aroundcleaning my office, cleaning my
space.
It was quite the project.
It was a journey.
We went on it together and itwas good.
(02:23):
We learned about each other.
We did.
Which is kind of fun.
We did.
Actually, it was kind of fun.
We learned about ourselves andwe learned about each other and
kind of what we like and whathelps us function you know in
the creative juices and don'tever say that again sorry I
(02:45):
regretted it as soon as it cameout of my mouth um the creative
flow is that better yes muchbetter yeah so um yeah do you
want to share a little bit aboutabout that about getting your
space ready or about what welearned about each other and
(03:07):
ourselves oh yes we're likeopposites you know the like the
like peace sign with the likethe yin and yang yes the yin and
yang we're like that yeah as faras what we want our creative
spaces to be versus what our theend product turns out to be yeah
(03:28):
so we found out through muchtrial and error, that I like my
desk to be full of all of myknickknacks and a little bit
cluttered.
So many things.
Yeah, full of all of my thingsthat inspire me and bring
memories with it and aremeaningful to me.
(03:50):
I really love it.
You're a maximalist queen.
For my desk, yes.
And For my artwork, it's wideopen, plain spaces.
Yeah, big, wide open landscapes.
That just don't have, yeah, alot of clutter in them, which is
(04:13):
really interesting.
And then for you...
Don't put stuff on my desk,please.
Let it be open.
I need room for what I'm workingon.
And if anything else is there...
it gets the angry eye the angryeyes how dare you be in here
(04:36):
with me while I'm working younotebook or whatever it is get
out yes I like I have two desksthat are like I mean they're
just like Ikea you know whitedesks that are in this corner
that you know, like this Lshape, creating this L shape.
(04:59):
And I like them to just be blankand open, which not very
aesthetic, you know, not greatthat way, but it just, it helps
clear my mind.
It helps put me in the space oflike, I am free to just create
whatever it is I want to create.
And then I create these verydetailed little things.
(05:23):
Tiny little moments.
Tiny little moments that aresometimes cluttered and
detailed.
Yeah.
And also, yeah, maximalistpatterns and like all the, yeah,
all the details, all the littlethings in there.
Yeah.
So yeah, that was a kind of afun realization where it was
just like, oh, we are veryopposite in this.
(05:46):
Very opposite.
Yeah.
It was really fun.
It was really fun.
And it was funny because I was,I was helping Brianna get her
space ready for the retreatbecause she had some other
projects and just like homerenovation stuff happening in
there that was like we had toclear it out of the office and
get it ready and super helpfulshe was really helpful and she
(06:08):
was complaining to me previousto this of like ah my space was
so like there's so much stuffthat I just can't get my you
know like I can't get the workdone and it was like it was very
much a block yeah blocking youso I get in there and I'm like
okay then I start just clearingoff the desk and Brianna starts
panicking
SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
what
SPEAKER_00 (06:28):
are you doing but to me it was like okay you you need
space to work so here you golike here's some space like get
your desk ready and then andthen we um It provided a way to
dust, which was great.
We got some dusting done.
It was good.
And then we put everything back.
(06:49):
We did.
We rearranged it into a new,nice, beautiful way.
And then I was like, I don'tlike it.
I can't work in this spacebecause it felt too empty and
not...
me which is it was just so weirdwhich is funny because putting
(07:10):
what we did put back was like tome was like this is a lot of
stuff yeah right and I was likeit's so empty I was like I don't
know how to even respond to thatso yeah we ended up putting most
of the things back I mean we didtake out some of the things that
(07:32):
didn't actually really feel goodthat were in there, you know,
and that didn't really need tobe in there and that I didn't
like that just had been there.
And so that was good to getthose things out, but it ended
up not being a huge differenceand not a huge change, just kind
of tidying up a little bit and,and dusting and dusting.
(07:54):
The dusting was good.
That was helpful.
You don't want dust in yourpaintings.
Yeah, no, not a good mix.
So that was, uh, that was good.
She's not a dirty person.
Just clarify that.
It was just like dusting is oneof those things that needs to
happen regularly it was it wasjust that just just to clarify
here thank you appreciate thatshe's not like I'm just thinking
(08:19):
of like you go into like thebeast's castle and like his room
and it's just like dust like youlike step and like dust poofs up
like no that's not like that wasnot the situation thank you
appreciate that um yeah so wedid that and uh And yeah, I
(08:42):
think that opened up the lanefor some mental clarifying and
decluttering around blocksaround what's been keeping me
from wanting to make art,wanting to sit down and actually
do the thing.
Yeah.
And that was really helpful too.
(09:03):
I did some journaling about thatand yeah.
realized that my art is reallyconnected to my moods and my
emotions and like the thingsthat i'm processing which i feel
like is just universal you knowlike a human thing we we kind of
(09:25):
process through that that wayour creativity of expressing
yeah exactly and so um Realizingthat that was so connected and
that I, there are things thatI've been wanting to not look at
and not deal with and not, youknow, sit with and, and face.
And so.
Right.
(09:45):
I think that's been a big block,which was really helpful to kind
of recognize and see and be ableto be able to face, you know?
Yeah.
That's huge.
Yeah.
I mean, that is huge.
And I feel like it's so.
relatable i'm not i don't knowthat everyone necessarily gets
(10:10):
to the point that they'rethinking about it that way.
SPEAKER_01 (10:12):
It's
SPEAKER_00 (10:13):
like, you know, you want to create, but you're just
not always sure why.
And we get these blocks andsometimes it's, you know,
physical and sometimes it'semotional and, you know,
different things going on andkind of get to a point of like
beating ourselves up that wedidn't do that thing that we've
been dreaming about doing orwanting to do.
And we're not entirely sure why,but we don't always just like
(10:34):
break it down sometimes intothose little steps of like, you
know, maybe you need to makesome space on your desk or, you
know, on your, wherever it is,you know, your sewing table or,
you know, for me, kitchencounters.
Yeah.
Kitchen counters are like, justlike making that little like
(10:55):
space for yourself.
You know, whether it is in thatphysical space or, you know,
that emotional mental space.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Space where it's like, you justget, kind of real with yourself
or like just take those firstfew steps forward.
I mean, that's sometimes totallynecessary.
(11:18):
Yeah.
Like there's sometimes some prepwork.
Right.
To, you know, getting to thecreative freedom.
Yeah.
Being able to actually get intothat zone and actually take the
steps forward.
I feel like that's a lesson thatwe have been learning over the
(11:40):
past several years of, or atleast I'll speak for myself.
We're not quick studies.
Just learn it over and overagain.
Yep.
But like speaking for myself, Iknow that's something that I
have really struggled with islike, I've wanted to do you
(12:01):
know, I wanted this to be anartist and to sell my artwork
and like to really have likethat creative outlet and to be
consistent and have a creativepractice for so many years, so
many years and still strugglingto make it actually happen, you
know?
Yeah.
And I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm doingit more than I ever have, but it
(12:25):
still feels like a struggle in alot of ways and a lot of days,
you know, are, are hard or, Idon't want to do it or, you
know, I don't know.
There's like some reason.
And so it definitely takes timeto unravel all of that.
(12:46):
Yeah.
And to come to recognize it andbe able to.
rewire and retrain your brainand, you know, um, and your
nervous system to feel like it'ssafe.
Yeah.
And I think that was really thewhole point of this experiment
that we are doing is that wewanted to figure out how to make
(13:09):
it feel safe and to make it feeljoyful and, um, to retrain, you
know, our, our nervous systemand our brains in, in that way.
And what works for usspecifically, like having a
cluttered desk versus not acluttered desk, you know, like
(13:29):
how do we create thatatmosphere, you know,
physically, and then how do wecreate that atmosphere mentally?
Right.
What are the ways that work forus specifically?
And so that's, that's reallywhat this, um, this whole thing
is about.
And I feel like even though Ididn't actually draw this last
week or make any art, I feellike it was still such a huge
(13:52):
win in the whole theme of theexperiment because it was a huge
discovery.
Took steps toward it and inhealing and growth, which is so
powerful.
And both of us, we grew up beingtaught that expressing ourselves
(14:17):
was either not safe or not therewasn't always a full openness to
that and sometimes that youknow, like art is expression.
And so when you're told, likeyou have to like kind of hold in
(14:39):
and suppress parts of yourselfthat way, it translates to other
areas of your life.
Or only do it in a certain wayor perfectionism, you know,
which I know a lot of women,especially relate to that.
Yeah.
And I feel like it's a lot ofthe times, well, okay, maybe
(15:02):
it's just because I talked to alot of, I don't know, I talked
to a lot of men too.
But, you know, there is thatkind of holding yourself in,
like holding yourself back from,I don't know, like sharing those
beautiful parts of yourself andlike that expression because
(15:26):
we're so busy.
um like guilting ourselves intoall the other responsibilities
or things that we have to takecare of or people that we have
to take care of and expectationsyeah and then roles yeah and
then this idea of like usexpressing and beautifying and
(15:47):
all of that is just selfish umAnd I think that's part of the
prep work is letting that go andfiguring out how to move on from
that
SPEAKER_01 (15:56):
and
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
creating that space for yourself of like, no, like
what I'm doing, you know, inpainting or singing or baking
or, you know, whatever it is.
It's like it's making the worldbetter and it's blessing the
people around you.
And I feel like I talk aboutthis every time, but it's so
(16:19):
important.
And part of that is because Ihave so many friends throughout
my life at different stages.
These wonderful women with somuch creativity inside them, and
they're just holding it in andnot allowing themselves the
(16:43):
space to to let that free so Iknow I I just love that so much
it's something that I'm stillvery much learning and it it's
(17:05):
hard to unlearn all of thatbecause it's so it's so
inundated in like everythingthat we are around, you know,
our whole culture, right.
Doesn't value creativity justfor creative creativity sake.
There has to be some sort ofexternal reason.
(17:27):
Yeah.
Right.
And so just expressing yourselfjust to express yourself is not
universally accepted or, orvalued.
Right.
Right.
And so it's really hard to, to,I think, even recognize all of
(17:47):
the ways that we feel that.
I think that's just an ongoingjourney.
You know, I think it's, I don'tknow that it's, you have arrived
yet.
You know, it's just like, it'slike, it's going to be
continuing on probably forever.
And so, yeah, for sure.
It's, it's hard to, it's hard torecognize that.
And I think, beginning torecognize that as a feat in and
(18:11):
of itself.
And, and then coming to, youknow, the next step, which is
letting that go.
Yeah.
That's a hard one too.
That's really tied into so manythings, you know, self-worth
like perfectionism.
We bring that up all the time,but like, yeah, worrying about
(18:36):
what others think, peoplepleasing, you know, and
expectations and just all thethings with the nervous system
and feeling that sense of safetyand needing your tribe to like
you and, you know, like all ofthat stuff.
It goes so deep.
So deep.
So deep.
It's not as simple as just, youknow, Yeah.
(19:00):
Right.
(19:20):
and often why I like it even youknow yeah because I mean just
think about conversations you'vehad with like anybody that you
know especially women okay rightlet's be real here especially
women who do who do like indulgeyeah I say indulge and I don't
actually mean it that way butyou know like but that's how
(19:40):
it's seen that's how it seemsit's like they indulge in that
and they have to tell a storyjustifying it almost every
single time and it Can't alwaysjust be because I want to,
because it's, you know, becauseit's fun.
Because it lights me up.
Yeah, it makes me feel morealive.
There's just so much judgmentsurrounding those kind of
(20:02):
things.
Yeah, yeah, because I'mthriving.
You know, this thing helps methrive.
What if we just lived our livesin a way that we thrived instead
of just survived?
What would that look like
SPEAKER_01 (20:21):
if
SPEAKER_00 (20:21):
every single person decided that they wanted to
thrive in life?
Yeah.
I mean, that's what got me backinto doing art is when I became
a mom and I was holding thissweet, perfect little person.
And I just looked at her andjust felt so much love and and
(20:44):
possibility
SPEAKER_01 (20:46):
and
SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
was so excited to meet you know who whoever she
turned out to be like there'sjust there's just so much
excitement and love there andthen realizing that I didn't
hold that for myself andrealizing that I was not the
person I wanted to be as far asan example
SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
for her,
SPEAKER_00 (21:12):
because I wasn't living my truth.
I wasn't living being myselfand, you know, my full
expression and all of that.
And it was like, Oh, I'm goingto start sketching again, which
to some people might soundreally silly, but that was, that
is such a huge part of who I am.
Yeah.
And I am not living my full selfwithout that.
(21:35):
You know, like I just, I just, Ineed, I need to be creative.
And I wanted to be that exampleto my daughter of, you know,
living, uh, thriving.
Yeah.
You know, thriving and, andwhich means, you know, living in
alignment with who I am.
(21:56):
Um, yeah.
And art is a big part of that.
Yeah.
Creativity.
Yeah.
I mean, like we said before, weare all, we were created to
create.
Like creativity is just a partof us, all of us, you know?
(22:16):
And what does that look like foryou?
It looks like different thingsfor different people.
And even within the same thing,you know, like you and I both,
love the, like the visual arts,but we do it in different ways,
you know?
So even it's just, everyone isso individual and everyone has
(22:38):
their own story and their ownway of resonating and, um,
connecting with, with that andwith themselves, you know, and,
and, and it is worthwhile for,for every single person to
connect with themselves in thatway and to, um, express
themselves and what a gift rightwhat a gift it is that we each
(23:03):
have that ability and that umthat chance to express ourselves
and connect in that way becausewe connect through creativity
SPEAKER_01 (23:13):
we do
SPEAKER_00 (23:13):
we connect through each other's creativity and
that's really what i think wesaid this last time that's what
makes life worth living yeah sowhy not You know?
Yeah.
Why not be creative and expressourselves and cultivate this
sense of safety and this cultureof safety around creativity?
UNKNOWN (23:40):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (23:44):
That's it for today, friend.
Thanks for spending this timewith us.
We hope you're leaving with alittle more light, a little more
peace, and maybe even a nudge togo be creative just because it
brings a little more joy to yourlife.
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(24:04):
who might need a little creativeencouragement too.
And remember, your creativitymatters.
Your voice matters.
You matter.
We're cheering you on Alwaysuntil next time, keep making,
keep softening and keep showingup as your whole beautiful self.
Welcome to the Art Piece Experiment.
(00:06):
We're your hosts, two artistsand friends.
I'm Tasha.
And I'm Brianna.
at the end of 2024 we decided wewanted to cultivate more safety
peace love alignment andexcitement through our art and
our art practices so here we aresharing our journey with you and
(00:28):
we're so excited you're here wehope you enjoy our conversations
they're honest raw just twofriends talking to each other
about the realities of life andcreativity.
We're so excited for you to joinus and be along with us for the
journey.
Week four.
We made it a whole month.
(00:51):
Yay.
Yes.
And now we get a treat.
We do.
We do.
We are going to be having awriting retreat.
Who even am I?
I mean, that would be fun too.
I have too many writing friends.
No, we're having...
Oh my gosh.
We're having...
An artist retreat.
(01:15):
An artist retreat.
Because we're artists.
But, you know, a writingretreat.
Who put me in charge?
You did.
No.
Just kidding.
You're fired.
That would be fun, too, if youwanted to do a writing retreat.
I'm down.
We were just having aconversation about writing.
(01:38):
So, sorry.
Anyways, we are having an artistretreat.
It's going to be spring break.
Yep.
Kids are going to be gone onspecial trips of their own, and
we're having little ministaycations and decided to use
(01:58):
it for fun.
Yeah.
So this week, I have beenpreparing for...
what I'm going to do thisupcoming week.
And a lot of it revolved aroundcleaning my office, cleaning my
space.
It was quite the project.
It was a journey.
We went on it together and itwas good.
(02:23):
We learned about each other.
We did.
Which is kind of fun.
We did.
Actually, it was kind of fun.
We learned about ourselves andwe learned about each other and
kind of what we like and whathelps us function you know in
the creative juices and don'tever say that again sorry I
(02:45):
regretted it as soon as it cameout of my mouth um the creative
flow is that better yes muchbetter yeah so um yeah do you
want to share a little bit aboutabout that about getting your
space ready or about what welearned about each other and
(03:07):
ourselves oh yes we're likeopposites you know the like the
like peace sign with the likethe yin and yang yes the yin and
yang we're like that yeah as faras what we want our creative
spaces to be versus what our theend product turns out to be yeah
(03:28):
so we found out through muchtrial and error, that I like my
desk to be full of all of myknickknacks and a little bit
cluttered.
So many things.
Yeah, full of all of my thingsthat inspire me and bring
memories with it and aremeaningful to me.
(03:50):
I really love it.
You're a maximalist queen.
For my desk, yes.
And For my artwork, it's wideopen, plain spaces.
Yeah, big, wide open landscapes.
That just don't have, yeah, alot of clutter in them, which is
(04:13):
really interesting.
And then for you...
Don't put stuff on my desk,please.
Let it be open.
I need room for what I'm workingon.
And if anything else is there...
it gets the angry eye the angryeyes how dare you be in here
(04:36):
with me while I'm working younotebook or whatever it is get
out yes I like I have two desksthat are like I mean they're
just like Ikea you know whitedesks that are in this corner
that you know, like this Lshape, creating this L shape.
(04:59):
And I like them to just be blankand open, which not very
aesthetic, you know, not greatthat way, but it just, it helps
clear my mind.
It helps put me in the space oflike, I am free to just create
whatever it is I want to create.
And then I create these verydetailed little things.
(05:23):
Tiny little moments.
Tiny little moments that aresometimes cluttered and
detailed.
Yeah.
And also, yeah, maximalistpatterns and like all the, yeah,
all the details, all the littlethings in there.
Yeah.
So yeah, that was a kind of afun realization where it was
just like, oh, we are veryopposite in this.
(05:46):
Very opposite.
Yeah.
It was really fun.
It was really fun.
And it was funny because I was,I was helping Brianna get her
space ready for the retreatbecause she had some other
projects and just like homerenovation stuff happening in
there that was like we had toclear it out of the office and
get it ready and super helpfulshe was really helpful and she
(06:08):
was complaining to me previousto this of like ah my space was
so like there's so much stuffthat I just can't get my you
know like I can't get the workdone and it was like it was very
much a block yeah blocking youso I get in there and I'm like
okay then I start just clearingoff the desk and Brianna starts
panicking
SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
what
SPEAKER_00 (06:28):
are you doing but to me it was like okay you you need
space to work so here you golike here's some space like get
your desk ready and then andthen we um It provided a way to
dust, which was great.
We got some dusting done.
It was good.
And then we put everything back.
(06:49):
We did.
We rearranged it into a new,nice, beautiful way.
And then I was like, I don'tlike it.
I can't work in this spacebecause it felt too empty and
not...
me which is it was just so weirdwhich is funny because putting
(07:10):
what we did put back was like tome was like this is a lot of
stuff yeah right and I was likeit's so empty I was like I don't
know how to even respond to thatso yeah we ended up putting most
of the things back I mean we didtake out some of the things that
(07:32):
didn't actually really feel goodthat were in there, you know,
and that didn't really need tobe in there and that I didn't
like that just had been there.
And so that was good to getthose things out, but it ended
up not being a huge differenceand not a huge change, just kind
of tidying up a little bit and,and dusting and dusting.
(07:54):
The dusting was good.
That was helpful.
You don't want dust in yourpaintings.
Yeah, no, not a good mix.
So that was, uh, that was good.
She's not a dirty person.
Just clarify that.
It was just like dusting is oneof those things that needs to
happen regularly it was it wasjust that just just to clarify
here thank you appreciate thatshe's not like I'm just thinking
(08:19):
of like you go into like thebeast's castle and like his room
and it's just like dust like youlike step and like dust poofs up
like no that's not like that wasnot the situation thank you
appreciate that um yeah so wedid that and uh And yeah, I
(08:42):
think that opened up the lanefor some mental clarifying and
decluttering around blocksaround what's been keeping me
from wanting to make art,wanting to sit down and actually
do the thing.
Yeah.
And that was really helpful too.
(09:03):
I did some journaling about thatand yeah.
realized that my art is reallyconnected to my moods and my
emotions and like the thingsthat i'm processing which i feel
like is just universal you knowlike a human thing we we kind of
(09:25):
process through that that wayour creativity of expressing
yeah exactly and so um Realizingthat that was so connected and
that I, there are things thatI've been wanting to not look at
and not deal with and not, youknow, sit with and, and face.
And so.
Right.
(09:45):
I think that's been a big block,which was really helpful to kind
of recognize and see and be ableto be able to face, you know?
Yeah.
That's huge.
Yeah.
I mean, that is huge.
And I feel like it's so.
relatable i'm not i don't knowthat everyone necessarily gets
(10:10):
to the point that they'rethinking about it that way.
SPEAKER_01 (10:12):
It's
SPEAKER_00 (10:13):
like, you know, you want to create, but you're just
not always sure why.
And we get these blocks andsometimes it's, you know,
physical and sometimes it'semotional and, you know,
different things going on andkind of get to a point of like
beating ourselves up that wedidn't do that thing that we've
been dreaming about doing orwanting to do.
And we're not entirely sure why,but we don't always just like
(10:34):
break it down sometimes intothose little steps of like, you
know, maybe you need to makesome space on your desk or, you
know, on your, wherever it is,you know, your sewing table or,
you know, for me, kitchencounters.
Yeah.
Kitchen counters are like, justlike making that little like
(10:55):
space for yourself.
You know, whether it is in thatphysical space or, you know,
that emotional mental space.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Space where it's like, you justget, kind of real with yourself
or like just take those firstfew steps forward.
I mean, that's sometimes totallynecessary.
(11:18):
Yeah.
Like there's sometimes some prepwork.
Right.
To, you know, getting to thecreative freedom.
Yeah.
Being able to actually get intothat zone and actually take the
steps forward.
I feel like that's a lesson thatwe have been learning over the
(11:40):
past several years of, or atleast I'll speak for myself.
We're not quick studies.
Just learn it over and overagain.
Yep.
But like speaking for myself, Iknow that's something that I
have really struggled with islike, I've wanted to do you
(12:01):
know, I wanted this to be anartist and to sell my artwork
and like to really have likethat creative outlet and to be
consistent and have a creativepractice for so many years, so
many years and still strugglingto make it actually happen, you
know?
Yeah.
And I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm doingit more than I ever have, but it
(12:25):
still feels like a struggle in alot of ways and a lot of days,
you know, are, are hard or, Idon't want to do it or, you
know, I don't know.
There's like some reason.
And so it definitely takes timeto unravel all of that.
(12:46):
Yeah.
And to come to recognize it andbe able to.
rewire and retrain your brainand, you know, um, and your
nervous system to feel like it'ssafe.
Yeah.
And I think that was really thewhole point of this experiment
that we are doing is that wewanted to figure out how to make
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it feel safe and to make it feeljoyful and, um, to retrain, you
know, our, our nervous systemand our brains in, in that way.
And what works for usspecifically, like having a
cluttered desk versus not acluttered desk, you know, like
(13:29):
how do we create thatatmosphere, you know,
physically, and then how do wecreate that atmosphere mentally?
Right.
What are the ways that work forus specifically?
And so that's, that's reallywhat this, um, this whole thing
is about.
And I feel like even though Ididn't actually draw this last
week or make any art, I feellike it was still such a huge
(13:52):
win in the whole theme of theexperiment because it was a huge
discovery.
Took steps toward it and inhealing and growth, which is so
powerful.
And both of us, we grew up beingtaught that expressing ourselves
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was either not safe or not therewasn't always a full openness to
that and sometimes that youknow, like art is expression.
And so when you're told, likeyou have to like kind of hold in
(14:39):
and suppress parts of yourselfthat way, it translates to other
areas of your life.
Or only do it in a certain wayor perfectionism, you know,
which I know a lot of women,especially relate to that.
Yeah.
And I feel like it's a lot ofthe times, well, okay, maybe
(15:02):
it's just because I talked to alot of, I don't know, I talked
to a lot of men too.
But, you know, there is thatkind of holding yourself in,
like holding yourself back from,I don't know, like sharing those
beautiful parts of yourself andlike that expression because
(15:26):
we're so busy.
um like guilting ourselves intoall the other responsibilities
or things that we have to takecare of or people that we have
to take care of and expectationsyeah and then roles yeah and
then this idea of like usexpressing and beautifying and
(15:47):
all of that is just selfish umAnd I think that's part of the
prep work is letting that go andfiguring out how to move on from
that
SPEAKER_01 (15:56):
and
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
creating that space for yourself of like, no, like
what I'm doing, you know, inpainting or singing or baking
or, you know, whatever it is.
It's like it's making the worldbetter and it's blessing the
people around you.
And I feel like I talk aboutthis every time, but it's so
(16:19):
important.
And part of that is because Ihave so many friends throughout
my life at different stages.
These wonderful women with somuch creativity inside them, and
they're just holding it in andnot allowing themselves the
(16:43):
space to to let that free so Iknow I I just love that so much
it's something that I'm stillvery much learning and it it's
(17:05):
hard to unlearn all of thatbecause it's so it's so
inundated in like everythingthat we are around, you know,
our whole culture, right.
Doesn't value creativity justfor creative creativity sake.
There has to be some sort ofexternal reason.
(17:27):
Yeah.
Right.
And so just expressing yourselfjust to express yourself is not
universally accepted or, orvalued.
Right.
Right.
And so it's really hard to, to,I think, even recognize all of
(17:47):
the ways that we feel that.
I think that's just an ongoingjourney.
You know, I think it's, I don'tknow that it's, you have arrived
yet.
You know, it's just like, it'slike, it's going to be
continuing on probably forever.
And so, yeah, for sure.
It's, it's hard to, it's hard torecognize that.
And I think, beginning torecognize that as a feat in and
(18:11):
of itself.
And, and then coming to, youknow, the next step, which is
letting that go.
Yeah.
That's a hard one too.
That's really tied into so manythings, you know, self-worth
like perfectionism.
We bring that up all the time,but like, yeah, worrying about
(18:36):
what others think, peoplepleasing, you know, and
expectations and just all thethings with the nervous system
and feeling that sense of safetyand needing your tribe to like
you and, you know, like all ofthat stuff.
It goes so deep.
So deep.
So deep.
It's not as simple as just, youknow, Yeah.
(19:00):
Right.
(19:20):
and often why I like it even youknow yeah because I mean just
think about conversations you'vehad with like anybody that you
know especially women okay rightlet's be real here especially
women who do who do like indulgeyeah I say indulge and I don't
actually mean it that way butyou know like but that's how
(19:40):
it's seen that's how it seemsit's like they indulge in that
and they have to tell a storyjustifying it almost every
single time and it Can't alwaysjust be because I want to,
because it's, you know, becauseit's fun.
Because it lights me up.
Yeah, it makes me feel morealive.
There's just so much judgmentsurrounding those kind of
(20:02):
things.
Yeah, yeah, because I'mthriving.
You know, this thing helps methrive.
What if we just lived our livesin a way that we thrived instead
of just survived?
What would that look like
SPEAKER_01 (20:21):
if
SPEAKER_00 (20:21):
every single person decided that they wanted to
thrive in life?
Yeah.
I mean, that's what got me backinto doing art is when I became
a mom and I was holding thissweet, perfect little person.
And I just looked at her andjust felt so much love and and
(20:44):
possibility
SPEAKER_01 (20:46):
and
SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
was so excited to meet you know who whoever she
turned out to be like there'sjust there's just so much
excitement and love there andthen realizing that I didn't
hold that for myself andrealizing that I was not the
person I wanted to be as far asan example
SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
for her,
SPEAKER_00 (21:12):
because I wasn't living my truth.
I wasn't living being myselfand, you know, my full
expression and all of that.
And it was like, Oh, I'm goingto start sketching again, which
to some people might soundreally silly, but that was, that
is such a huge part of who I am.
Yeah.
And I am not living my full selfwithout that.
(21:35):
You know, like I just, I just, Ineed, I need to be creative.
And I wanted to be that exampleto my daughter of, you know,
living, uh, thriving.
Yeah.
You know, thriving and, andwhich means, you know, living in
alignment with who I am.
(21:56):
Um, yeah.
And art is a big part of that.
Yeah.
Creativity.
Yeah.
I mean, like we said before, weare all, we were created to
create.
Like creativity is just a partof us, all of us, you know?
(22:16):
And what does that look like foryou?
It looks like different thingsfor different people.
And even within the same thing,you know, like you and I both,
love the, like the visual arts,but we do it in different ways,
you know?
So even it's just, everyone isso individual and everyone has
(22:38):
their own story and their ownway of resonating and, um,
connecting with, with that andwith themselves, you know, and,
and, and it is worthwhile for,for every single person to
connect with themselves in thatway and to, um, express
themselves and what a gift rightwhat a gift it is that we each
(23:03):
have that ability and that umthat chance to express ourselves
and connect in that way becausewe connect through creativity
SPEAKER_01 (23:13):
we do
SPEAKER_00 (23:13):
we connect through each other's creativity and
that's really what i think wesaid this last time that's what
makes life worth living yeah sowhy not You know?
Yeah.
Why not be creative and expressourselves and cultivate this
sense of safety and this cultureof safety around creativity?
UNKNOWN (23:40):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (23:44):
That's it for today, friend.
Thanks for spending this timewith us.
We hope you're leaving with alittle more light, a little more
peace, and maybe even a nudge togo be creative just because it
brings a little more joy to yourlife.
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