#33 Paratruther - Henry Ford's Revolutionary Impact, Entrepreneurial Legacy, & Modern Political Challenges

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you.
Well it's.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Sunday.
That means it's ParatrooperLive.
Welcome back to another episode.
Ladies and gents, we have thefull A-Team back together.
Chris has Made the transitionfrom the Stranger Things

(01:14):
dimension back to Our reality.
We're really glad he's here.
Mr Anderson is probablysomewhere between here and
wherever the A, wherever the AIhas him placed in the height of
civilization, somewhere in 1999in the movie the Matrix.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Why don't you worry about yourself when you are?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I'm just trying to give the audience a full view of
where you may be.
Sir, nobody knows who you are,or where you are, or who you are
or sir, nobody knows who youare or where you are, or who you
are or why, or why are you, whyare you?
This is going to be a fun show.
We've decided we've had a liston the group text that we were

(01:58):
going to do some more hiddenhistory, history's mysteries, if
you will, some of the esoteric,deep dives stuff that's not
going to be on your mainstreamdocumentaries but actually
happened.
And this is going to be HenryFord's episode, which I've
wanted to do for a long time.
It's a guy that fascinates meand I remember reading in

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Napoleon Hill's book Think andGrow Rich when I was a kid I
mean, I say a kid, I was in my20s, but I was reading that book
and there's this story aboutHenry Ford and he was suing one
of the papers in Michigan Ithink it was Dearborn Michigan.
He was suing the paper and theycountersued him because of
libel.
They said he was stupid.

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And because of libel, they saidhe was stupid, like he was like
an imbecile, he didn't knowhistory and he was on the stand
and they kept questioning himabout okay, well, how many
British soldiers were lost inthe Revolutionary War?
How many ships did we have inour Navy in the time of 1812?
Just obscure stuff that reallyonly true historians that

(03:05):
specialized in that would know.
And finally he lost his temperand he said on my desk I have a
series of buttons and when Iwant to know something I press a
button and a man walks in andtells me so I don't have to do
that because my job is to putthe world on wheels.
Like he literally just lost histemper, like I can't retain all
that.
It's cluttering my mind.

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I just have a series of buttonson my desk and I will push a
button and someone will appearif I have a question.
And I always thought that wasgreat.
And of course, uh, will Durantin his book, uh, the lessons of
history, which, if you, ifyou're interested in a book that
is a synopsis of, like, all ofhuman history, that's what Will
Durant did.

(03:46):
He wrote the story ofcivilization and the story of
philosophy and it's like 11volumes.
And he starts out that book,the Lessons of History, quotes
Henry Ford who said that historywas bunk.
And it certainly is.
And we'll jump.
You know, napoleon said thathistory was a pack of lies
agreed upon.
But I think I like Ford's quotebetter.

(04:08):
But, mr Anderson, welcome backto your show with your brain.
Sir, thank you for being here.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Happy to be here.
Yeah, that case that you'rereferring to, I think they tried
to trip him up on, like whoBenedict Arnold was and all
sorts of different things, andit reminded me kind of what they
did to Gary Johnson in 2016.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
With Aleppo.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, Remember he was confused about some world event
and they just leapt on that.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, it was.
You know you'd have to be kindof a policy wonk you know to
know what that is, and if youweren't paying attention to
foreign policy, like you weren'treading the digest for the
council on foreign relations.
That's a question.
You know that.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
You're not a member wait a minute, you don't know
qualified yeah, they did thatsame thing to trump.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Uh, who was a u u it that tried to trip up trump on
that in the 2016 election.
He was like uh, the, the coodsforces?
And he thought he's talkingabout the Kurds and the Quds.
Like is the?
Like an elite Iranian militaryforce?
He tried to like see, I got you.
You don't know who the Qudsforces are, it's just you know
that's policy wonk stuff.

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But big picture, is what HenryFord was all about and you know
he certainly had, I think, a lotof ingenious ways to make our
reality better, especially withthe automobile, and we'll get
into some of the things hisphilosophy on wages and being
anti-war and all the rest.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
But yeah, that's how it kind of kicked off is.
Last week you and I weretalking about we passed the
111th anniversary it was onJanuary 5th 1914, him
introducing the five-hourworkday and that meant he
essentially doubled the minimumwage for his workers at the time
, which extrapolated out to afactor of 10 in average savings

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that they were able to grow ayear.
And that was really unheard ofat the time.
And he didn't do that with thestranglehold of the government
or the government breathing downhis neck.
He just introduced that.
And to put that into somecontext, we might understand.
If you adjust for inflation,that's a $20 per hour minimum
wage there.
It is right there and, as youpointed out, it's actually more

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than that right.
You could buy a five-dollar,yeah purchasing power.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I don't know if I buy the metrics on inflation
because of the you were pointingout like five dollars.
Well, a five dollar gold Indianis worth.
You know that's one of the.
I have a two and a half dollargold Indian around my neck.
You know this is one of thosecoins.
This is worth about threehundred dollars in gold.
So I mean, you know $5 would beclose to 500 bucks or so and a

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minimum purchasing power.
So yeah, it was certainly.
I mean that's not what it was.
I mean it's not 500, but it'sclose.
I mean it's a significant wage.
It allowed his workers toafford the products they were
making off the assembly line,which is what, in an egalitarian
way, his vision was.
He was not like the robberbarons and the Rockefellers.

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He was not of that mindset, andwe'll get into some of that
today.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
No, they disliked him and he disliked them.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
But yeah, and later on down the line he introduced
the eight-hour workday andfive-day workweek.
Again, he did this on his ownvolition, it was his idea
because he really did believe inbeing good to workers even
though he was adamantlyanti-union.
But these things that helpedpropel the middle class forward
and introduced in many ways theAmerican Industrial Revolution

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made a lot of people uneasy andmad, particularly his
shareholders and investors.
And one of the reasons he wentfrom a nine-hour workday to
eight hours is because now, hethought, now I have three full
shifts in the day, so I don'thave to close down the business
even for an hour, it can justkeep running and they're going
to be happier because they'remaking better wages and all the

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competitors are offering wagesthat are about half of this.
So I'm going to get good talentand if you treat your talent
well and your workers well,they'll stay with you and you
can retain them.
But what you're talking about,I think kind of cuts into a lot
of people, undercut a lot ofthese achievements and decisions
he made because he held whatthey refer to as anti-Semitic

(08:27):
views.
He had like an anti-wareditorial in the Ford newspaper
and I think the first one thatwas published in 1912, it was
called the International Jew theWorld's Problem.
And in that he blamed World WarI on the Jews and he was, you
know, on record saying theLusitania victims had been

(08:50):
warned.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, that's true.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
It's true.
And he also said war,particularly World War.
I had nothing to do withAmerican interests or the
interests of the averageAmerican, I know he blamed the
war on the monetary policiesthat were pushed forward by the
bankers.
And he said a lot of thecultural depravity that had been
taking place, particularly inHollywood.

(09:15):
It was all controlled by thissame group of people.
So he was one of the first onesto write about this.
He actually consolidated allthese articles in a book and I
think in 1922, that book wasprinted in German and Adolf
Hitler got a copy of it.
So in Mein Kampf he actuallymentions Henry Ford and

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supposedly had a life-sizeportrait of Henry Ford in his
office.
And in 1938, the Nazi party Iknow this stuff's kind of bad
office and in 1938, the Naziparty, I know this stuff's kind
of bad he awarded Henry Ford theGrand Cross of the German Eagle
, which was the highest medalthey could bestow upon a

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foreigner.
So all this stuff is true.
But what Henry Ford was sayingabout World War I, monetary
policy, you know, hollywood andall the cultural ramifications,
those aren't untrue in myopinion.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
But when Hitler's endorsing Association doesn't
make the thing untrue, right?
Association with some darknessdoesn't mean that the thing you
said was untrue.
That's the game that we playnow.
It's like any association withanything that we find
unacceptable means that yourpremise is false, which is again
a bunk I'll put it that wayfortified with slave labor, that

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they had people who wouldotherwise be in concentration
camps working there.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
So in 2001, ford Motor Company paid $5 billion in
reparations for this.
So I don't know more about thatMaybe you or Chris can speak on
it, but that actually didhappen too.
So he had some troublingrelationships, I guess, with the
other side.

(11:08):
But a lot of the things and thereasons why he was saying it
was because Ford Motor Companywas really the third variation
of him trying to make anaffordable automobile and every
time it happened he was kind offocused on perfection, whereas
the shareholders were focused onprofit.
So he always got pushed outthese bankers, these

(11:31):
shareholders and he thought theyhad something in common and he
had a real gripe with that.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I think somebody asked him one time there was a
game show contestant who won abunch of trivia.
And they said a game showcontestant who won a bunch of
trivia.
And they said, hey, would youhire this guy?
He knows a lot of trivia.
And he said how much would youpay him?
And Henry Ford said I'd pay hima lump sum of $300.
And I said for life.
And like yeah, he goes, becausethat's what an encyclopedia

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costs.
He just said I can get the samething out of an encyclopedia.
He's very pragmatic with that.
He just said I can get the samething out of him.
He's very pragmatic with that.
You know, in pop culture too.
You're right about theassociations, and that was the
time he was in.
I will defend him in the sensethat where you had, what was it?
The Union Banking Corporationwith Prescott Bush, and you know

(12:19):
the Bushes had the associationof trading with the enemy.
I mean, they violated theTrading with the Enemies Act.
That's why you have the USO.
That was started by the Bushesfor a PR campaign, because they
literally even after the startof the war in 1939, going into
the 41 and beyond they werestill doing business with the

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Nazis.
They weren't anti-war or, youknow, trying to make peace.
That was just about profit.
Henry ford was, I think he was.
He liked the, the peace timeconditions for business.
He felt like that was betterfor businesses, better for
workers, better for civilization.
He's smart, you know, andthat's, but that it's
unfortunate because you bleedinto pop culture.

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And I remember watching thisepisode of American dad years
and years ago and one of one ofthe things that, like the Steve
character, he has this, he justhe has this house.
When he becomes famous orsomething, and he and somebody
breaks the gumball machine, hegoes that's the gumball machine
that Henry Ford gave Hitler.
He's like it's like bleeds intopopular culture.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Well, he did some nice stuff too.
I mean, this really caught myattention in light of what's
going on in California, LosAngeles, particularly right now.
But in 1906, San Francisco hadthat huge earthquake and all
those fires resulted and itdestroyed something like 80% of
the buildings that were in thecity and I think there's an
estimated 3000 or so that weredead from all of this upheaval.

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And at the time in 1906, Fordhadn't even been selling model
A's that well, let alone in theWest, which there were still a
lot of horse-drawn buggies andthings like that.
There were still a lot ofhorse-drawn buggies and things
like that.
But the dealers there in SanFrancisco lent out all of their
Model A so they could assistwith all these cleanup efforts

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and with all the upheaval thathad been happening.
So he donated all of thesethings and even, I believe,
shipped in some more and justtold the city and the state you
can pay me back when you canLike, when you have the money,
just pay me back.
But what a stark contrast thatis to what's going on now.

(14:34):
I see like nobody who would beof similar stature as Henry Ford
doing anything like that.
I saw in the news that we'reflying in fire experts from
Mexico and Canada, and it's likeit doesn't matter how much you
know about fires if you don'thave water to fight them.
And California, here's thePacific ocean.
But, like we were, we werejoking before the show started.

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I mean, if your governor is theantichrist, you know he doesn't
have much interest in puttingout fires.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
He likes to fight.
You see that somebody did aside-by-side comparison.
They had the movie Constantine,where he goes to hell and walks
through and it's just like thisburning landscape, and then
somebody put it right next tohim.
There's this McDonald's on fireand real in the real world, and
it looks exactly the same.
Courtney loves it and didn'thim he's.
He's growing taller, growingyounger.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
That Courtney loves it.
And he's growing taller,growing younger.
Yeah, that's what I saw.
If you compare photos from twoweeks ago and you measure the
height, he's grownthree-quarters of an inch.
Can you believe that, Tony?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I can.
He's going to be eight feettall by the time he grows
stronger in your pain.
He's going to go to the FrenchLaundry and celebrate.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
All levity aside aside.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
It's just ridiculous so it's, it's painful to watch
and you know I have friends thatwe have friends there and uh,
it's just, it's just really sadto watch in this country with
that kind of it's likesomething's on fire.
We can't put it out like we're.
We're the american, americanpeople.
What are you talking about?
Just not allowing thatinnovation, you know, and the

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community to work because of thepolitical structure and the
toxicity of bureaucracy, and wedon't have entrepreneurs like
Henry Ford anymore.
I mean, you can say what youwill about his associations, but
, like I remember stories aboutreading, this is, you know,
years of reading about ford, butyou're right about his.

(16:28):
He wanted the people that madethings in his factories and he
was, by the way, we don't givehim enough credit for the
innovation of the assembly line.
Yeah, you know, yeah, he saw itin chicago.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
right, he was at a meat packing plant and saw the
conveyor belts and howseamlessly everything ran and it
said why can't we utilize thisin the automotive industry?
He took something that was a12-hour process to assemble a
car and now it's 90 minutes.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's like a totally different type of entrepreneur,
because he really got startedabout my age, you know, a little
bit, maybe a little bit younger, but it's about 45 or so.
That's what I've you know, asfar as what I've researched and
when he really got started andyou contrast that today with
what you think of.
You know you go online and lookon Instagram and there's, you

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know, and then God love them.
You know they're trying, butall of these small, you know up
and coming entrepreneurs andtech guys, you know, and they
got the Lambos and everythingand the glitz, and he was more
about what can I make?
How can I make somethinginnovative and beautiful and do
something different andefficient?
You know better than anyone hasever done it.

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And, at the same time, how do Ihelp my people, which I see my
people as a resource and themodern employment is not.
I mean, that's like you get theMitt Romneys of the world with
their nomenclature is venturecapitalists, but actually what
they are is vulture capitalists.
They just buy things, breakthem up and try to strip away

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the humanity out of them and getdown to the bottom line instead
of because if everybodyhumanity out of them and get
down to the bottom line insteadof because if everybody.
You know, my thing is John Nash, you know that the the movie
the beautiful mind, when he cameup with the economic
equilibrium or something he wassaying like you know, if, if
everybody cooperates, if there'scooperation in the, the

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capitalistic system and theeconomy, then you actually can
grow bigger.
If, if you're not just all foryourself and I think there's
something to that If everybodywins.
That's my philosophy with myteam.
I like bonuses, I like to timeoff all this stuff because they
take care of my interests Well.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Bill Burr had a bit about this because he really
disliked Steve Jobs to the pointit became almost like a
caricature of who Steve Jobs was.
You know him just walkingaround, said well, like a pear
or something, telling people youknow, this is my entire music
collection, showing them all therecords and say, now get it in
my phone.
That's a different type ofentrepreneur.

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I mean, ford was really smart.
I mean he was kind ofself-taught.
He worked as a machiniststarting at 16, because he was
infatuated by the idea of usingthese steam powered engines to
power automobiles or cars orthings without tracks and
displace this kind of paradigmof the buggy and the horse and
displace this kind of paradigmof, you know, the buggy and the

(19:24):
horse.
But he worked at Westinghouseand then he worked at Edison
Illumination Co.
Just like Tesla.
I mean he was a really smartguy.
So you're mixing like all ofthis prowess with him as an
entrepreneur with being a reallytechnically savvy individual,
which is just crazy to me.
And also, if we're going totalk about A Beautiful Mind, you

(19:44):
know you got to give a shoutout to Jennifer Connelly, right?
She was about 40 in that movie,I think, or maybe.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
No, she wasn't 40.
Was she?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
younger.
Oh, maybe, maybe he was, maybehe was.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think that was like 2003, 2002, 2003, right, Chris?

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Beautiful Mind was 1999, I believe Was it really I
believe, so we're both off.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Okay, chris would know.
I mean we defer to Chris onmodern pop culture movie
timelines, for sure.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
For any of you, Friday the 13th and Halloween
trivia I'm back, baby.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, yeah, that's funny.
We got that wrong while youwere gone.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I know you did, I saw it.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, I Well, yeah, that's funny, we got that wrong
while you were gone.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
I know you did, I saw it.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, I just got you though.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Chris, that's what I'm talking about.
I was channeling you, chris,because I was like wait a minute
, wait a minute when Mr Andersonwas referencing Amy.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Lee Curtis, amy Lee Curtis, when he was not in
Friday the 13th.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
You were speaking through me.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, that's right, I was Friday the 13th, you were
speaking through me.
Yeah, that's right, I was.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Tony thought there was some larger point I was
going to make after threeminutes of rattling off all this
.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
No, you heard her being hermaphrodite supposedly,
beauty is a pair of truths there, folks.
This is ADD live.
We are live with ADD and lotsof pop culture and historical
references.
You might learn something Maybe.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Maybe I do have something besides reparations
the Ford Motor Company, and thiswas November 1st 1998.
The Ford Motor Company they hada commercial-free sponsorship
of NBC's airing of Schindler'sList, so we'll add that to the

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reparations, I guess.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Well, they're trying to clean up their image Pretty
much.
Yeah, well, mr Andersonreferenced earlier and this is
where we're going to get intothis but one of the things that

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Henry Ford did was I think thiswas post-World War I he just
started to circulate the becauseof the lore and the things that
that that book, that pamphlet,you know everything that's come
out of that and the historybehind it.
But he, he printed that foryears and then stopped and then
it was like an abrupt stop andhe, I don't think did he ever,
mr Anderson, did he offer up anysort of explanation why you

(22:23):
stopped printing that?

Speaker 3 (22:25):
I didn't see an explanation why.
It was probably because of allthe flack he was catching
because of it, but he ended upconsolidating all of those into,
I think, three or fourdifferent books, A lot of the
things that he was writing about.
I said one reached Hitler.
I mean you don't want a shoutout in Mein Kampf?

(22:47):
I mean you just don't.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
You've got to get a PR move.
Knuckle bumps.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
In a major publication.
It's like that's really bad,that's good, you don't want to
be in that.
Now he had the unfortunate.
You know it's funny.
So, in that line of logic I'vetalked about this many times
there's a reason why that theterm America first was not used

(23:16):
up until it took in Trump'scampaign in 2016.
2016, I used it a bit, but Iknew the dynamite that was in
that phraseology and so wheneveryou say what's what they did,
they took, you know,associations with, like Henry
Ford had with the Third Reich orwhatever you know he's
mentioned in Mein Kampf andeverything else, but he was

(23:38):
anti-war.
And then you have, likeLindbergh and others.
Even you know there were somany major figures in the
America First movement in thelate 1930s, early 1940s and,
because of what happenedafterwards and what you know,
with the final solution and theHolocaust and everything else,
to be against that war wasassociated with anti-Semitism

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and you couldn't use the phrasewithout being lumped into.
So it's it's come a long wayand that's interesting.
Like you know, he he had apeace envoy, what's a lot of
people don't?
He wanted to have.
Yeah, he wanted to end World WarOne.
What timeline was that?

Speaker 3 (24:19):
The peace envoy.
Yeah, I guess around World War.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I Was it 1917 or so, he tried to stop the war.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I don't remember the year we're talking about the
First World War.
First World War.
Yeah, he went over there.
Was it like a Scandinaviancountry?
He visited, or something likethat with a peace envoy, and I
mean he was almost immediatelyturned away.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, they just shut him down and that's the tell.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
And I think there was a little bit more going on,
like in reading and researchingthis.
No one really talked about thispoint directly, but I think he
had not really the best ofrelationships with the United
Kingdom, because that's actuallywhat propelled Fordlandia,
which is something not a lot ofpeople know about, which was

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something else we discussedabout overviewing on the show,
and what that essentiallyamounts to is we've kind of
covered like how in the 1920sHenry Ford was this big player
in the American IndustrialRevolution and around a half of
the American cars on the roads Iput that in quotes were Ford.
So again, he introduced theassembly line.

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It reduced the turnaround onmaking cars to around 90 minutes
, and this entire time he wasvery pro-worker but anti-union.
But one of the other things hewas doing in parallel was he had
a goal to own, operate andmanage all the supply lines that
he was dependent upon, Meaning,if you needed glass in your car

(25:53):
, we're going to make that glassat Ford Motor Company, Outward
steel, we're going to do that.
Engines, transmissions.
But there was a real bottleneckwith rubber.
At the time.
There were no syntheticalternatives to rubber.
It was all imported from SouthAmerica, particularly Brazil, I
think at its peak, Brazil wasresponsible for 90 percent of
the rubber that was imported forautomotive manufacture.

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Now, it was reasonable to dothis at the time.
But then the United Kingdom gotin the game and they started
producing rubber plantationsthroughout their colonies, so in
particular Malaysia, Sri Lanka,parts of Africa.
And Winston Churchill at thetime was Secretary of State for
the British Commonwealth and hejust decided, after they gained

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the advantage and a lot of thecompanies that were making
natural rubber and exporting itfrom Brazil went under that he
was going to throttle production.
So what did this mean?
It meant that natural rubberwent from around 20 cents a
pound to around one hundred andtwenty dollars a pound.
And this really pissed HenryFord off.
So he started looking foralternatives Again.

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He worked at Edison'sillumination company for a while
.
He had a good relationship withthem, so they started
investigating syntheticalternatives to rubber.
But nothing came of it at thetime.
Then he looked to the FloridaEverglades, just said I'm going
to make a grove of rubber trees,I'm going to have my own
plantation, I'm going to do thismyself.
But investors caught wind of itbefore he was able to purchase

(27:26):
the land, bought it and thentried to sell it to him as a
markup.
And at this point he threw uphis hands and said screw, all of
this.
And he had been reading at thetime it was around 1926, I think
he was reading TeddyRoosevelt's published memoirs of
his travels through the Amazonand how Teddy mentioned that
this area was ripe forindustrialization.
So this really piqued hisinterest in Brazil.

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He looked at it, researched itand ended up buying over 2
million acres from the countryof Brazil, with the agreement
being 7% of the profit sharewould go to the Brazilian
government and about 2.5% tolocal municipalities.
But I'm saying all of that to.

(28:08):
This might be another reason hewas kind of anti-war, not
helping the United Kingdom inWorld War II because they really
pissed him off, particularlyWinston Churchill.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Oh, they were awful.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
The British Empire is the warmongering
interventionist Awful, I mean,they always play the victim.
But you know it's funny.
But a lot of people don'tunderstand, like you, go back to
the timeline of World War Twoand it was the British that
declared war on Germany, not theother way around.
And they gave a war guaranteeto Poland, and that was really

(28:43):
shocked.
The Third Reich why did you dothat?
We were negotiating with them,with the port of donzing, and
we're offering them the autobahn, all this other stuff.
We wanted to get that port ofdonzing back was a german
speaking.
That was taken at the treaty ofversailles.
You have to get way beyond thesoundbites to understand.
But that, yeah, it was.
You know neville chamberlain.
He's always thrown under thebus for saying we have peace in
our time in Munich.

(29:03):
But it was the Britishgovernment that declared war on
Germany in 1939, not the otherway around.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
To protect the sovereignty of Poland, and then,
after the war, we gave Poland astalemate.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Here's a worse monster.
I hope you like this one better.
You know it's really insane.
That's called a good war.
You know World War II is 50million dead.
The world turned upside downatomic bombs.
Uh, but that was all overpoland, and then we gave poland
to stalin makes no sense, butthat's right.
But it's the good war, right?
That's what we have to.
We have to go back to that.
What are you saying, chris?

Speaker 1 (29:39):
the peace ship was uh november of 1915 okay, that's
what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, uh, so it would .
So the lusitania was may of1915 and a lot of people don't
realize that they wanted to getthe lusitania.
This was a ploy and, by the way, winston churchill had his hand
in this, that he made sure thelusitania went through a certain
section, so it would have themost probability of getting hit

(30:06):
by a German U-boat.
And you're right about thepublication that came out from
the German government to warnthe passengers on the Lusitania,
which was carrying munitions,by the way.
That's why it blew up a bunchof times.
It wasn't like it just got hitand it sank.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
And why they didn't manifest right.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Right, I mean it was.
I mean clearly it was.
It was we were shipping thingsover and, you know, outside of
our neutrality and the Germangovernment knew that.
And but people think, oh well,the Lusitania was sunk and
that's why we got into World WarI.
No, woodrow Wilson ran in 1916on the slogan he kept us out of

(30:45):
war.
That's 1916.
The Lusitania is 1915 in May,and that wasn't even used.
That was used as anafterthought.
Really, what it was that got usinto World War I was the Zimmer,
the telegram from theRothschilds agent inside Germany
to send a telegram to theMexican consulate saying that if

(31:08):
Mexico joined Germany that theycould have the Southwest back
when Germany defeated the UnitedStates.
It was like some weirdoutlandish thing and that was
enough popular sway Plus.
Woodrow Wilson straight up lied.
You know he said we kept thisout.
He had no intention of keepingus out of the war.
So it was people like HenryFord that were understanding the

(31:29):
gravity of what happened to theLusitania way ahead of time and
saying we got to stay out ofthis thing because there is a
pointless slaughter Like you.
Look at World War I and it'sjust humanity is absolute worst.
There's no redeeming anything.
What was gained?
Nothing.
It was an entire generation ofthe French.

(31:50):
There were so many women thatwere left without being able to
marry anyone because the men ofage had been cut down, and they
lost an entire generation of menabove a certain height.
Because of this the trenchwarfare a lot of people make fun
of the french.
You know they're saying like uh, you know the about, and this

(32:12):
rifle's like a french rifle.
It's uh, you know it's neverbeen fired and only dropped one.
You know but, um, but you hear,but they didn't want to get
lose them.
You know hundreds of thousandsand you know millions of
casualties.
I mean they got the war beatout of them in that slaughter
pen of the Western Front.

(32:32):
So I mean you can't reallyblame them.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
It was a terrible thing.
You always get criticized.
If you don't want war, yeah,tell me about it.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, I've paid a price for that I got when I get
into, uh, traditional media andthey're like, hey, we got
ourselves a combat veteran.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm gonnaoppose all these foreign
interventions, like we got toget rid of this combat we're
gonna go, you're not cleaningyour gun during an interview,
yeah, yeah just looking down.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Well, I'll tell'll.
Tell you, bill, what I thinkabout that.
It's appallishing, but yeah.
So I think that probably playeda little bit of a role in why
he again didn't want to beinvolved in World War II.
And I mean, that's just unheardof 20 cents a pound, $120 a
pound.
That would make me mad too if Ididn't have any alternatives.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Tell us about Fordlandia.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, so it started in 1928, the idea of it, that's
when they first broke ground.
But, like I said, he found aplace in Brazil which was known
for producing rubber trees andit was about, I think, 500 miles
inland but it was stilladjacent to, I believe, the
Topaz River in the Amazon.
And so he reached thisagreement with the Brazilian

(33:51):
government that he couldpurchase over 2 million acres of
this land, and he actuallypurchased two decommissioned
freighters I believe they werecalled Lake Orak and Lake Farge.
So the idea was to use thesefreighters to transport all the
items they'd need, becauseyou're essentially starting from
scratch.
I mean, the forest where youwant to plant the trees hasn't

(34:13):
even been cleared yet.
So all your electric generators, your concrete mixers, major
machinery, all of that.
So he had, like this idea wherehe was going to create this
town called Fordlandia and kindof adjacent to it he was going
to have this place for theAmerican workers and their
families called Villa Americano,and in it he kind of imagined

(34:36):
like you know, you're going tohave all your power, your water
needs met, we're going to havetennis courts, cinemas, golf
course, all this good stuff.
But it ended up being more likefire festival in the end, but
anyways.
So they shipped out themanagers, the engineers that
needed and doctors, becausethey're going to have on-site
care hospital, you know, withall the machinery that you need

(35:00):
like x-rays and all the otherthings for surgeries.
And while they were shipping allof this equipment on the
freighters, along with theAmerican workers, the Brazilians
started breaking ground because, again, it was wild, there were
no proper facilities thereinitially, but the Brazilians
ended up like scorching theearth.
They used, I think, kerosene asan accelerant, so the flames

(35:22):
grew like 100 feet tall.
There's ash everywhere, peoplewere suffering from heat strokes
and then in that first year, in1928, there's this huge malaria
outbreak.
But there were no hospitals onsite at the time.
So something short of 100people died.
And to make matters work, thosetwo freighters were late
because they arrived at theirpassage down the river, at that

(35:45):
site, at a time where the riverwas only nine feet wide.
So all these things that theyneeded to start building the
community just weren't there.
So they started selling bargesdown and hiring people,
brazilians, to take all of thisequipment, all these supplies
down.
Take all of this equipment, allthese supplies down.

(36:07):
And in 1930, they eventually gotstuff.
There they had some success.
The managers of Ford arrived.
They had like a smokestack,docks, the heavy equipment.
They built some warehouses andshops and the groves of rubber
trees have been planted but theyhadn't harvested anything yet.
So this is like two years intothe mission.
But they had a cafeteria, atrauma center like I was

(36:28):
mentioning, and all those things.
But the Brazilians weren'treally adapting to the new
schedule.
So Ford wanted them to workeight-hour stint days where they
had been used to split,shifting their time to avoid the
heat in the middle of the day,because you're talking, you know
, 105 degrees Fahrenheit outthere, it's hot.
And then another thing that wasinstituted is they needed to

(36:51):
wear full length suits and boots, not barefoot.
They weren't supposed to workbarefoot, like they were
accommodated to doing or used todoing, and this was for safety
reasons.
But it was hotter.
And then the funny thing too wedidn't mention this earlier but
Ford had restrictions on yourpersonal life, like if you were

(37:11):
an employee at Ford, there werethese things called laws of
propriety that you were supposedto obey.
He wasn't a drinker, he wasn'ta smoker, so he frowned upon
those things.
Cohabitation if you weren'tmarried, just just being sexual
in general outside of marriage,and so he actually introduced
those same laws here no gambling, no drinking in town.

(37:34):
So they actually created thistown a little further downstream
called the Island of Innocence,and it had all your bars and
brothels.
It's like the Patriot Act, andit had all your bars and
brothels, except the Patriot Actand after they went to those
brothels.
I guess they really dislikedgetting routine physicals,
because Ford Motor Company didthose too.
But eventually the Americanworkers also grew discontent a

(37:58):
couple of years in, because theywere behind schedule.
They were asking for raises butthey weren't harvesting, they
weren't exporting anything thatwas valuable that could be used
in the automotive business atthis time.
So they started skimming moneyoff the top, which left less
money for the community and putthem even more behind where they

(38:19):
wanted to be financially.
So it eventually culminated inthis revolt be financially.
So it eventually culminated inthis revolt.
So after they had like the towntogether, the Americans and the
Brazilians had won the kind ofthe war against the jungle, the
tensions between Americans andBrazilians rose and so Ford sent
new managers and overhauled thecafeteria, which was the thing

(38:40):
supposedly that set this thingover the edge, where he changed
the menu.
He wants you just to eat likeoatmeal and fruit and bread, and
they didn't like that, theyweren't used to that, those
sorts of meals.
He changed the cafeteria layoutfrom being open to being
enclosed, with the tar roofwould trap the heat.
And then he made the meals nolonger free and they just

(39:01):
deducted the cost of the mealsfrom the paycheck and it was now
self-service child lines.
So a brawl broke out in 1933.
And the Brazilian workers?
They looted everything, theycut the telegraph lines, flipped
all the automobiles and burnedthem, set fire to the train

(39:21):
station and went after theAmericans, which again they were
at the American villa and theywere shouting things like
Brazil's for Brazilians, killthe Americans.
And so this lasted, I think,around two days, before the
Brazilian government wasdispatched and was able to
restore order.
But the workers at this timehad unionized and they had

(39:42):
demands, and Ford just entirelyrejected their collective
bargaining and threatened toclose down the company.
So the army didn't want that,brazil didn't want that.
So the army removed the leaderson Christmas Eve in 1933, shut
down the island of innocence andit did like half a million in

(40:04):
damage.
And so this is five years intothis project of fordlandia and
they still hadn't harvested orexported any rubber.
And so they realized that theyhad a problem, actually, because
all the trees were blighted orstunted and they just weren't
producing.
And so they hired a plantpathologist to do the consulting

(40:27):
.
He's like hey, y'all change theecosystem down here, because
y'all planted the trees way toodensely.
They're far too packed andclose together, which meant this
was like a buffet for all thefungus and bugs, and so that's
why your trees aren't growing,because you changed the whole
structure of the ecosystem here.
So they actually had to abandonthe site and they created

(40:50):
another one that was calledBelterra I think it was like 50,
70 miles away from Fordlandiaand it was successful for a few
years.
But after all this time theyeventually introduced this
synthetic version of rubber, soit was like no longer necessary,
and Henry Borden died in 1947,and they just sold their

(41:16):
holdings Ford Motor Company tothe Brazilian government.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah, it says here.
In 1930, the native workersgrew tired of Ford's imposed
diet, in addition to a changewith how the food was
distributed, and revolted in thetown's cafeteria.
This became known as thebreaking pans.
The rebels proceeded to cut thetelegraph wires and chased away
the managers, and even took thetown's cook into the jungle for
a few days until the brazilianarmy arrived and the revolt
ended.
Yeah, and then it goes down.

(41:43):
It says in 2009, an NPR articlereported not one drop of latex
from Fordlandia ever made itinto a Ford car.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
That's ridiculous.
He invested a lot into it andit wasn't a bad idea.
They just probably should havehired, you know, an ecologist
beforehand.
You know how the otherplantations were doing well.
Growing rubber trees in theAmazon is they were like

(42:14):
sparsely planted, but theywanted to really pack them in
and apparently, again that wasjust fertile grounds for all
these bugs and fungus.
So it wasn't like a bad idea.
And again he he.
His initial idea was to startit in florida until he was
undercut by investors.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
So the town remained inhabited by roughly 90 people
until the later half of the2000s.
No basic services were offeredin the area, with medical help
only coming by boat at longintervals.
That changed when peoplelooking for places to live
decided to go back into the town, often claiming houses.
The town, now a district ofAverio, was home to nearly 3000

(42:57):
people as of 2017.
So they people gone back in andreclaimed the houses, but it's
just a town that's beenrepurposed.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, it was a very ambitious idea, especially that
far away and that inland youknow you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Do you know if he ever made an attempt to do that
right here in the United States,like with one of these towns.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
No, all I came across was he was interested in some
area in the Florida Everglades,but before he purchased someone
else did, and then they wereinterested in selling it to him,
but at a marked price, and hewas just like this is ridiculous
.
So he didn't.
And when they got the secondtown rolling and actually

(43:50):
producing some rubber again,they started manufacturing
synthetic rubber.
So it became kind of anunnecessary thing to continue to
do.
Right, but yeah, I alwaysthought the laws of propriety,
like he had 50 people in hissocial department, they would go

(44:12):
to people's houses, figure outwhere they like to hang out and
they would just snoop on them.
So if you, would you not do?
Well, chris, you just shookyour head well, I wouldn't do
well, I wouldn't do.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Well, they'd be like he's too boring there's one
thing well, yeah, there's onething with, like you know,
people, you know, signing acontract, a decency clause, but
to have like a whole policeforce to kind of investigate
your private affairs when you'remining, mining your own
business, and obeying the lawand everything, that's pretty

(44:49):
ridiculous in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, those kinds of cults of personality happen
around.
I mean, you get to a certainpoint and you know he, he, he
knew his place in history, andso the ego takes over at some
level and he's pushing that.
You know, whatever his,whatever construct he has of
himself and the way he feelslike he's most efficient.
And it's definitely the mind ofan assembly line guy who's

(45:16):
figuring out how to better makesomething.
And then you realize, like thehuman condition is so much more
complicated so it's probably notsomebody you'd want to like.
He didn't want to have a beerwith you anyway, so it's not
like somebody you want to drink?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
yeah, he.
I'm curious if y'all cameacross this, because he also had
this thing called the fordservice department and that was
aimed at strong arming groups ofpeople that were trying to form
unions.
Did y'all come across any ofthat?
no only from you, on the senseyeah, there was this fixer he

(45:53):
had for like over 30 years.
His name was harry bennett.
He was like this fiery shortredhead guy I guess he was.
He was irish but he was, uh,formerly in the us navy and was
likea champion lightweight boxer.
And yeah, apparently ford sawhim get into a street brawl in
New York City, was kind of keenon getting to know this guy,

(46:17):
ended up meeting with him,hiring him, and this guy started
hiring, like ex-boxers,ex-football players, ex-gang
members, members, and any timethe American, the auto workers

(46:37):
unions, tried to, you know, comeover to Ford Motor Company or
convince people to unionize.
They had their way with them.
They did all sorts of stuff.
There was like one day I forgetwhich day it was, but there was
a massacre.
Like four people were killed,like police were shooting in on
the crowd and it was eventuallythwarted out, but, you know, not
after, not until people haddied.
But yeah, this was called theFord service department.

(46:58):
So he did a lot of shady stufflike that too.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Well, I go back to you know his desire again.
He saw people as assets and Ithink that was a departure from
the robber barons and others.
I mean the reason why you hadthis big socialist movement in
the early 20th century withpeople, writers like Jack London
who wrote the Call of the Wild.

(47:23):
He was what he referred tohimself as a work beast.
I mean it was like if youdidn't have a way to get, there
was no path to the middle class,you could only scrape by
because the wages were so low,the profits were high, the
monopolists controlledeverything.
So Ford's departure, I mean,deserves the accolades and the.
I think the recognition ofsomebody who saw that you know,

(47:45):
I think the recognition ofsomebody who saw that you know,
people are an asset, especiallyin, you know, quality of work.
And he, he really, it reallyaffected him when his people
unionized and he cried, theysaid I don't.
It broke his heart.
He really thought like theseare my people, my family, and I

(48:17):
don't know why they're doingthis to me again.
And then you find like I'mpro-union because I'm a populist
in many ways.
I mean I have a hodgepodge ofideologies that flow together,
maybe might be contradictory,because I believe in the free
market and the rest, but I dobelieve that you know, people
should have the ability tounionize.
Maybe in this time frame it'sbeen bastardized and lost its
meaning, but so much of it hasroots and you know, you find
where the mob and you know JimmyHoffa and that's where you

(48:40):
think of, like, the United AutoWorkers and all that stuff that
there's just so much of that inthat vein where it's not just
about the people and the unionsblew it here in this country,
like they let these, thesecompanies.
You know they didn't opposeNAFTA.
They could have killed NAFTA.
The unions could have killedNAFTA.
They didn't.

(49:00):
They didn't do that, they stoodby, or just like they're the
neutral or they were for it,which is bizarre, you know, and
then they vote for people whoare for more of that stuff.
I'm like, well, you're guttingthe manufacturing.
So I've never understood themodern unions, but I guess I
have sympathy for at least thebeginning of the 20th century,
where you mentioned that Fordgoes to Chicago to learn the

(49:23):
assembly line in a meatpackingplant and that's where you get,
you know, the jungle.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Exactly Right.
Yep, that's exactly what I wasthinking when I came across that
they came across that and uh,who wrote the?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
why am I losing?

Speaker 3 (49:39):
the thread and claire upton sinclair.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah, he also wrote the book oil, where the the book
uh, that was the there will be,there will be blood is based
off that, that book oil.
Upton sinclair ran for governorof California too.
He was one of those turn of thecentury socialists, kind of
like Jack London, you know thathad a lot of good points, and

(50:01):
wasn't it like there was other?
So they jailed them, likeEugene Debs and Norman Thomas, I
think, and some of the others,but they weren't necessarily,
they weren't like commies.
You know, like it was just adifferent.
We've lost that thread.
It's either like you wrote iton one and now it's all.
I think most politicalideologies are just fake.
Like I don't think, like peopleeven know what they're talking

(50:23):
about.
You know, like I'm still Ithink the anti-war left is
viewed less than Bigfoot.
You know where do people go.
I'm still.
I think the anti-war left isviewed less than Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
You know I agree with you, tony.
It's kind of a mixing ofcontradictions, because I'm with
you.
I mean, I like to view myselfas a populist and if you look
back, even if you trace back tothe origins of Labor Day and the
conditions that provoked thatsort of response having that day
, they were utterly terrible, Imean because so many workers

(50:57):
didn't have protection.
But now you have what was it?
A couple of months ago?
What was that guy's name?
He's going to shut down thecountry.
Right, the union worker boss,remember he was.
He was threatening oh, yeah,yeah, I remember that.
Yeah, and now that's yourcaricature of something yeah
it's from looney tunes.
It's not well it's mostly.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I mean like modern politics is just intellectually
bankrupt.
You know like I mean.
I my hobby horse is always, uh,make fun of the modern
conservative movement, becausethey have so many underlying
contradictions that like cancelout each other, like we're for
small government but blow themup all over uh, well, it's just

(51:39):
we got to get over there forisrael and we have to bomb the
hell out of everybody.
You know, it's like I get backfrom iraq and I just would go to
church or something and hearpeople always got to turn that
whole area into a parking lot.
I'm like genocide, a sheet ofglass.
We just got turned into a sheetof glass, you know.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Now let's pray.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, it's like what, what it was.
Just there's so manycontradictions, like willful,
it's like willful, willful.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Campaign.
Yeah, his character in thecampaign.
Oh yeah, what's his slogan?

Speaker 2 (52:12):
It's for America, freedom, america, jesus, america
and freedom, or something likethat.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
And he likes the cheerleader in the audience.
You got a lot of energy.
I find that so many peoplehaven't seen that movie and they
need to.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
They ran a good camp man.
That's a good show and he hadsome good slogans.
You could take something fromthat.
But he didn't like policy, andthat's that's modern politics.
I mean we didn't have anypolicy in the last election.
It's like nobody, nobody'stalking about policy.
I mean literally like if youstudy my wheelhouse, I'm looking
at the fiscal house that's onfire and you're like is anybody
going to talk about the debt?

(52:57):
Because we used to talk aboutthat.
We don't do that anymore.
So I think I mean politics hasdegenerated into idiocracy.
You can call it that.
And then, you know, just kindof go back to our original
premise here, just talking aboutan American entrepreneur, like
we don't really have those typesof personalities anymore.
And I don't think, you know,certainly this is the difference

(53:21):
between Ford and somebody likean Elon Musk or something.
Now, I mean, ford wasn'tpushing for government contracts
.
Yeah, you know, like he hecould have got a lot of
contracts.
I'm sure he did.
From the wars, you know,especially during world war two,
yeah, um, to produce.
And then they did.
I mean they took the cars rightoff the assembly line and put
in tanks.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Well, that's how Indian motorcycle went out of
business.
Because Indian motorcycle madea, because India Motorcycle made
the motorcycle beforeHarley-Davidson, yeah, but they
apparently, from what I remember, got a huge or were awarded a
huge government contract.
I think it was World War II,maybe it was World War I, I
can't remember.
But what ended up happening isthey ended up getting stiffed

(54:04):
after they made all thesemotorcycles.
The government just didn't paythem and they went bankrupt.
These motorcycles, thegovernment just didn't pay them
and they went bankrupt.
So I mean, it's, it's diceysometimes dealing contractually
with the government too yeah,ask howard hughes, we should do
an episode.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
We need to do an episode we're gonna do like an
entrepreneur's uh.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Oh yeah, do the aviator they got a lot on him.
Yeah, man, he's a.
That's a rabbit hole.
Yeah, what if you grab?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
it.
Interesting guy too interesting, chris, did you find?

Speaker 1 (54:27):
anything else on ford fordlandia?
Oh man, that's a rabbit hole.
Yeah, quite a few rabbit holesInteresting guy too Interesting.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Chris, did you find anything else on Fordlandia that
you wanted to mention?

Speaker 1 (54:36):
I just went with the Peace Ship when it was being
talked about.
No, this was your expertise,man.
The only time I really cameacross Ford was with the banker
plot with Smedley Butler Go intothat.

(54:58):
Well, I don't have the notes infront of me right now, but he
was one of them that were namedbefore Congress that supposedly
partook.
Is that the right word?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
He was one of the supposed co-conspirators.
I think that's BS, I think thatentire thing, and we've talked
about this before.
They knew Smedley Butler wouldhis character.
He wrote War is a Racket, buthe was also the most highly

(55:36):
decorated general up until thattime.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Marine, ever, you know, up until that time, to
gain sympathy in any kind ofpublic opposition to what
Roosevelt was doing.
Because if you look at likeRoosevelt's first hundred days,
that's where that's why you hearabout a modern presidency it's
like, oh, what's the firsthundred days look like?
Because that's what post night,you know he was elected in 32

(56:02):
and talking about FDR, and thenyou know you get the his speech
and on March 4th, 33, uh, theonly thing we have to fear is
fear itself.
By the way, he took that fromNapoleon Hill.
And then you know you've gothis first hundred days and he
gets to the crescendo and hestarts trying to pack the
Supreme Court because they hadall these Supreme Court justices

(56:23):
were left over from the threeRepublicans there was Harding,
coolidge and Hoover in a rowthat were Republican presidents
from, you know, the 1920 onwards, and so there was a lot of like
there was a continuity ofconservative well, quote,
conservative judges.
And so he just FDR, said, I'lljust pack the court.

(56:44):
Well, he even his, you know,supporters in the Senate and the
House that were giving himeverything else thought that was
a bridge too far and itcertainly was like he's like I'm
not getting the votes I want.
And if people don't know this,in the Constitution there is no
number for Supreme Courtjustices.
So he wasn't necessarily wrongfor saying, well, I'm going to

(57:06):
just appoint more judges to getthe rulings I want.
For saying, well, I'm going tojust appoint more judges to get
the rulings I want.
That's the danger, like today,if you just wanted to, if you
had the political will.
That's why it's so dangerous togive power to the Supreme Court
, because you look at yourConstitution, there is no number
that is appropriate.
Like it's just how many?
And we've had more than nine atone time, I believe.

(57:29):
I mean I think it's gone up to12 or something during like the
19th century.
There's been more and I couldbe wrong on that number, but
it's been more than nine anddifferent than nine.
Like I think it's been less atsome times.
But that whole business plotconspiracy, the fascists are
going to take it.
I find that to be such thatthat reeks of false flag.

(57:53):
And yeah, henry ford's not thekind of guy to overthrow his
government he uh, yeah, exactly,and uh, also with fdr.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
It didn't really make too much sense, you know.
I mean because fdr was alreadyplaying ball.
So why would they?
Unless he was doing somethingbehind the scenes that we're not
privy to, there would be noreason to overthrow FDR because
he was playing ball, by allaccounts, right.
So I tried to look back up.
I know he was named before thecommittee or whatever, but the

(58:25):
main one was JP Morgan.
So in terms of the financiers,Imagine that.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
No way a banker.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Need to cross-reference that.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
There's no way.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
You mean a banker, it's hard to believe Two-day
talk?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Yeah, it's hard to believe.
That doesn't sit well with me.
We've got to do more researchon this, that's right.
Well, Mr Anderson, you gotanything else in your copious
notes?

Speaker 3 (58:57):
No, I've consumed enough time.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Well, I looked over on the chat over on Rumble and
Birdhouse Blue says that MrAnderson is on his A game as
usual.
Absolutely, Bird House Bluesays that Mr Anderson is on his
A game as usual.
I never knew about Fordlandia.
Amazing account of one of thebiggest car manufacturers.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah, it's funny, I didn't know about it forever.
It seems like something youshould know about.
It's so bizarre and uniqueunique, I think.
The only other thing I'dmentioned about Ford that I
really liked was when he washaving difficulty really
building a name for himself.
He realized that one of theways to bring attention to

(59:38):
yourself and your automobile wasto show how fast it could go
and race it.
So he actually built a race carin 1901 called Sweepstakes, and
he challenged an American racernamed Alexander Winton to a
race.
And up to this point Henry Fordhad never raced before and most

(59:59):
race cars at the time focused onhow powerful the engine was and
Henry Ford knew he couldn'tcompete there, but he could
concentrate on making his racecar sweepstakes light.
So he actually raced againstAlexander Winton, who had
recently broken the land speedrecord, and he beat him.

(01:00:21):
He beat him in I think it wasan eight lap race and after that
he got all sorts of notorietyfor doing so and was published
in all these newspapers and Ijust always thought what an
interesting and good idea and alittle bit crazy.
If you've never been in a racecar race, Let me challenge one
of the best there is in the game.

(01:00:42):
You got to give him some propsfor that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Certainly, chris, you got anything to add before we
close out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
I know that we can tie up the stream in case billy
wants to jump, oh yeah no, no,no, just uh it's good to be back
and uh thanks everybody for uhcontinuing to uh support us no,
we're glad you're back, brother,and uh, yeah, thanks for
supporting chris.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
uh, we'll be back.
Next week we're going to do anepisode on the Wizard of Oz, the
allegory, the weird stuff there.
Yeah, there's a ton to unpack.
It has it's kind of been mywheelhouse and things I've
talked about before on my showswith the monetary system and
other things.
And of course, l Frank Baum, acontemporary of Lockwood.

(01:01:30):
You know Ingersoll Lockwood,you know the same kind of same
kind of stuff.
The adventure is a littlebarren, trump and all this stuff
.
That's a weird night into the19th century.
All the allegory and stuffWe'll get.
We'll get into some of thatnext week.
Five, 5.
Pm central time, 6.
Pm Eastern.
We'll do pairatrooper Live andthen we have other shows planned
for this year that are going tobe deep dives in long form.

(01:01:54):
We'll do those prerecorded justbecause we'll have guests and
other things.
So lots of great materialcoming out on the channel.
Please be sure, and leave us areview, if you can, anywhere
that podcasts are found.
It does help the algorithms.
We're going to put a lot moreup on this channel.
You also find the Arterburnradio transmission here every
week.
I put that show up on there aswell.

(01:02:14):
So, yeah, share the link.
We got great stuff coming outon the show.
Mr Anderson, I know you don'twant to be found, are you?

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
going back to 1999?
I'm going to party like it's1999.
It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Good, because your passport expires on September
11th 2001.
So that's right.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate you.
Hope you enjoyed the episode.
We will be back next week.
If you have ideas for episodes,you want to send us an email?
Go through my website.
Go to art of burngold If youhave ideas for websites or
websites.
If you have ideas for episodes,I'll take it into consideration

(01:02:48):
for sure.
I think we have the next fiveplanned, don't we guys?
Yeah?
I finally took the initiativeand said this is what we're
going to do on those weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Yeah, I like the organized approach, and Chris
has a good idea on Hunter SThompson too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Yes, we've got a bunch here and we can cover some
topical stuff, but it's a.
It's kind of a tiny bit of newsmaybe, but we'll cover that and
then we'll give you somethingto think about.
So we appreciate you.
Let's see what is our closingout phrase.
Mr Anderson, do you remember?

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
The information war there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Oh, he got it, he got it Is that a test.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
See if I'm just walking away.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I just cut him out of the stream and, just like I,
then a Stalin esque move Likewhenever it goes to him, it's
just a, just, it's a skips tothe next guy.
Uh, no, we, I know you knew it.
Uh, thank you, and yes, and theinformation will be a pair of
truth or we'll see you.