#34 Paratruther - The Wonderful Wizard of OZT

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, it's Sunday, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
That means the spirit Paratrooper Live.
I can't believe I've actuallygot the A-Team back together
again for a second show in a row.
I didn't cancel or rescheduleor come up with some elaborate
thing while we had to put it offanother few days.

(01:26):
So thanks for being here, guys.
I'm going to let the intro keeprunning, and Billy Ray
Valentine can't say that Icompletely ripped off his intro
even though he's got strangerthings too, all right.
Well, this is Paratrooper Liveand we're going to dive into the

(01:49):
hidden history of the Wizard ofOz.
Ounce, yes, ounce, the Wizardof Ounce O-Z.
If you listen to my show andI've talked well if you listen
to Artburn Radio or any of myother gold and silver shows, you
know that I cover this.
There's a weird allegory,hidden history, there's some

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messaging, some symbology in theWizard of Oz.
It has to do with the monetarysystem, but it goes much deeper
than that and it reallyhighlights a lot that was going
on in the zeitgeist in the late19th century.
And I brought a pen which is inmy mind and the chaos of my
brain which is usually how I domy shows.

(02:33):
But I know, in order to do afantastic show, I have to have
these two gentlemen, and I'llstart with Mr Anderson and his
brain.
He's coming to us from anotherdimension, piping in from
another timeline, outside of ourrealm.
Thank you for being here, mrAnderson.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Thank you for having me.
You always comment on my brain.
I mean, I know and you know, Ihave a medical condition, that's
why I?
Can't show my face.
My head kind of looks like anavocado Half of it's ripe, half
of it isn't.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
He looks like.
If you've ever seen Megamind.
Oh yeah, if you've seenMegamind, well, he doesn't wear
the cape and he's not trying to.
Well, I don't know, he may betrying to take over the world
via podcasting.
So thanks for being here.
I look forward to diving in.
I try not to talk to these guysoff air.

(03:27):
I want to be spontaneous.
I want them to be surprised.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
That's why I don't talk to you, chris, I know I
understand A lot of people don't?

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I want to be more like Trump at the Bitcoin
conference in Nashville.
He's reading the teleprompterand he comes to the point where
he says that Bitcoin surpassedthe market cap of silver and it
just recently crossed the marketcap of silver.
He read it again.
He's like, wow, First time he'sread it.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, no idea.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's kind of like how he rolled out his Bibles right
First time you'd ever seen aBible.
I guess he was asked what hisfavorite book in the Bible was
and he was like you know the OldTestament, the New Testament.
You can't have the old withoutthe new, the new without the old
.
Love them both.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
AKA.
He had no idea.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Who likes two corinthians.
I don't know if you knew thatuh, from all the weddings and we
have chris graves.
Uh, researcher, uh, again, noresearcher like him on planet
earth.
He has supplied donald jeffrieswith endless uh source notes
and things that you can't findanywhere else.
Uh, welcome back to, to yourown show.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
I thank you.
Thank you very much.
I've been looking forward tothis, and I didn't crash any
more cars, so here we are.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
One of us has to be having a crisis at some time.
That's the only way pair oftruth or works and we just
switch it up.
We'll just like roll out.
I think it's like a lottery, oryou know.
We just decide who's going tohave the problem this week.
But I think this.
I think well, maybe we did, wescrew up the algorithm Cause
nobody's having any problems.
I don't think.
I think we're all good.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
I think we're good.
Okay, I think we're good Allright.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
So all right, all right.
Well, I'm going to open up withsome questions.
And okay, everybody knows theWizard of Oz and Dorothy and the
Julie Andrews and the movie,but it's L Frank Baum wrote this
book back in the end of the19th century.
He's a contemporary ofIngersoll Lockwood, which is

(05:40):
another subject that we'll coverlater and we've talked about it
before.
But we should do a deep dive onIngersoll Lockwood and the
underground adventures, a littleBaron Trump and the last
president and all that otherstuff, cause this is the same
timeline, you know, because what, what Ingersoll Lockwood was
talking about in the lastpresident it's called 1896 or
the last president.
He was basically the characteris William Jennings Brian in

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that book too, and he screws upthe gold standard and has free
silver and all of that stuff,and we'll get into that here.
But he was painting like adystopic picture of what happens
if there's a populist uprisingand a pushback against the
monetary system.
So I'll start with you, mrAnderson L Frank Baum.
He writes the book.
He's got the Wizard of Oz.
Who is this guy?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Who is this guy?
Do you want me to give you thelong-form answer?
Do you want me to go into hishistory?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, whatever you got, I know you got eight pages
of notes.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Not on him, but he was born into a pretty wealthy
family in Syracuse in New Yorkin 1856.
So to put that in perspective,he actually published the
Wonderful Wizard of Oz in 1900.
So he was, you know, 44 when hedid that.
But he was an invalid child, sohe didn't get out very much and
because of that he had plentyof time to daydream and I guess

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that's what piqued hisimagination and why it grew so
much.
But he had access to a printingpress as a child and actually
created a little newspapercalled the Roselawn Home Journal
and then did some magazine onchickens it's called the Poultry
Record.
But when he was about 24, hedecided to move to New York, new

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York to study acting and heactually had his own theater and
created a musical called theMaid of Arran in 1882.
Now what was interesting whenhe crossed paths with his wife
how that happened is his wifewas Maude Gage and her mother
was named Matilda Jocelyn Gageand she was a very well-known

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suffragist.
She was actually friends withSusan B Anthony.
But how Maude crossed pathswith Frank was she was a
roommate of Frank's cousin Josieat Cornell.
So what ended up happening in1882 is they were married and
his theater was burned down thatyear and so he had this brief

(08:00):
stint where he worked at hisfather's oil company doing
advertising.
But they eventually left forAberdeen, south Dakota, and
there he bought a store thatdidn't last very long.
It was kind of a more up instore, which wasn't very fitting
for South Dakota, so theydidn't move a lot of merchandise
.
And when that went under hebecame editor at a newspaper in

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Aberdeen called the AberdeenPioneer, and so it was.
He did editorials that were amix of business and you know,
imaginative kind of sensationalwriting.
One thing I thought was funnyis he didn't like Native
Americans very much.
He actually printed we shouldwipe these untamable creatures
from the face of the earth.
So it was like the equivalentback then of saying turn it to

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glass, I guess.
Oh, wow, yeah, I didn't knowthat either, but his
grandchildren have felt reallybad about this and traveled to
reservations and apologized onhis behalf.
But eventually he startedwriting this compilation of
short stories and he shared themwith his children and it was
actually his mother-in-law whohe shared them with his children

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and it was actually hismother-in-law who lived with him
at the time Again, her name wasMatilda Gage, who convinced him
to compile all this into a bookthat would later become known
as the Wonderful Wizard of Oz,and so Dorothy is actually a
shout out in sorts to his niece,who was named Dorothy Louise
Gage and who passed at fivemonths old.

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So he did all variety of things.
He came from a wealthy familybut he owns stores.
He was actually a windowdecorator too when they were in
Chicago.
He was a traveling salesman anda writer, so he just did varied
interests, but he didn't reallyenjoy much commercial success
until he was 44 years old.
So you know, yeah, kind of likewe were talking about Henry

(09:51):
Ford.
He was a late bloomer kind of,in that sense too, right A
little bit.
So I got done with all theboring stuff, but that kind of
paints a picture of this guy.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
What's not boring at all.
What's?
What were his politics?
I mean, if he's obviously kindof cool with genocide?

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Well, we don't know what happened.
He could have been Roy.
You just don't press, send onthose emails.
You know is what I've learnedwhen you get angry His politics.
Well, I mean, we shouldprobably talk about the lion and
who that represents in thestory the Wonderful Wizard of Oz
, and I'll pass that off to youbefore noting again, his

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mother-in-law was a suffragistand kind of before it was cool
to be all about women's votingrights and so she lived with him
and that was kind of alwaysintermingling in his affairs.
So I watched some like shortlittle snippets here and there
on YouTube and lots of thepeople who talk about him.
You can tell they're veryfeminist.

(10:51):
They're the type of women whoprobably aren't going to take
your last name if you marry them.
In that sense he's kind ofchampioned by feminists because
they say a lot of his worksreally brought that to attention
.
But again, it was from theinfluence of his wife and his
mother-in-law it's kind of amixed bag.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Well, I took from just the study that I've done
over the years and the allegoryitself and having william
jennings, brian be the cowardlylion and people you know, you
have to understand there was amassive populist movement at the
end of the 19th century becausewe had no inflation and a lot
of times inflation can be athing for a short period of time

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and it has diminishing returnsand it actually blows up in your
face.
But for a short period of time,if the money supply increases
and money becomes moreubiquitous, currency becomes
more everyday and you can getaccess to it and there's a lot
more liquidity, you can pay offyour debts easier.
And it makes things like forfarmers who borrow against their

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farms or for equipment or forthings like that, or to bring
product to market if they have abad crop yield or something,
it's just harder and harder tokeep up with the interest
payments or the payments on yourdebt.
So if you're able to borroweasily and the money supply
increases, you can pay off yourcurrent debts.
Again, that blows up in yourface later when you're trying to

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get ahead and your purchasingpower diminishes.
So it's not a good idea in thelong run.
But what there was the twoparties you know.
You had the Republican Party,the party of Lincoln and the
Democratic Party, which used tobe the anti-federalists.
What happened is, in the end ofthe 19th century there was a
third party.
There really was a.

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There was a populist party.
There was a populist movementand one of the ways if you look
at the hidden conspiracy historyand I've talked to James
Perloff about this one of theways that they they were able to
channel that away was to startthe Spanish-American War and
really get people locked inagain to the duopoly of the two

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party system and nationalism andeverything else, locked in
again to the duopoly of thetwo-party system and nationalism
and everything else.
So you had William JenningsBryan, who was a congressman and
I believe he was Speaker of theHouse and he became the
Democratic nominee for president.
He ran against William McKinley.
What's that?

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Oh, I was just going to say loss, and that's when
they rolled out the formal goldstandard, 1900, same year that
this book was published.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, 1879 is when America officially adopted the
gold standard that England wason.
We had a bimetallic standardbefore that.
But you're right, I mean therewas like an official adoption
throughout from 1879 to 1900.
Well, what William JenningsBryan in his famous speech about
at the Democratic NationalConvention?
I want to say it was 1896 or so, it was the Cross of Gold

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speech.
We won't be crucified on across of gold because they hit
the-.
Yes, 1896,.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
You're right.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
So what had happened is America had hit the Comstock
load, which is this big load ofsilver out in Nevada, and it's
just a massive amount of silverthat could be put into the
market, and we had silverdollars and so they were calling
for free silver, notnecessarily like we have today,
where they just you know, somelizard person in a basement hits
a button and you know,trillions of new units come
across the screen.
It was not like that.

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It was like we're going to adda free silver to to increase the
money supply and it would makedebts easier to pay.
So he was running on freesilver and the cross of gold was
like that.
Money was so hard, it was sosound, it was actually
deflationary, which is actuallyhow price.
If you don't understand history.
Prices should decrease, notincrease.
Prices should decrease basedoff of innovation and the fact

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that your savings are actuallygoing up in value and not going
it's.
We have an inverted reality now, where everything goes up in
price and then you can't keep upand that's.
That's a kind of a babylonianmoney magic thing that goes on
now that you're not supposed tounderstand.
They don't teach you in school,but that was a really that was
a big imprint on the culture atthe end of the 19th century,

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going into the early 1900s.
That's why I talked aboutIngersoll Lockwood earlier and
his weird tie to.
There's some esotericstrangeness and I do want to get
into Ingersoll Lockwood, so puta pin in that, ladies and gents
.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, he was in Abraham Lincoln's cabinet, right
.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
He was a weird guy.
I read that book 1896 for thelast president, one of the worst
things I've ever read in mylife it's.
I mean it's like, I mean ai cando so, I mean I, I, I don't know
I could have done a better jobat 19.
I think it was a terrible,terrible book, um, but it had
weird stuff in it.
You know, like we, we can getinto that later, but, um, he

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painted william jennings brianas being like a, a destroyer,
kind of like the stay puffmarshmallow man at the end of
ghostbusters.
That's.
That's why that's the way hepainted like he's going to
destroy everything.
That's why it was the lastpresident, because he's going to
screw up the monetary system.
Well, it wasn't going to bewilliam jennings brian, um, but
he was the cowardly lion.

(16:04):
So I want to get back to that.
So do you have a breakdown ofwhat each one of the characters
represented?

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I do.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Let's break that down .

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, y'all please jump in.
I'll start with the dog, toto.
Yes, he stood for teetotalers,right?
So people who abstain fromalcohol.
So one of the things I wasdoing in preparation for this
show was I always think it'sinteresting to draw contrast
between the movie and the book,and so I was listening to the

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book this past week, andactually when it mentions Toto a
couple of times in the bookit'll say things like he had
this sober, look like he was.
He was painting a picture ofwhat he was supposed to
represent, right, and itprobably cuts into the poppy
field too, right At the time,coding and things were used
routinely in cough syrup and, ifyou remember, in the movie,

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sorry about that.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
That's my toto.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
You have something to say about the toto Wicked
witches outside.
Anyways, I was talking aboutthe poppy field and that's where
they fall asleep, right.
And so obviously you think ofheroin, morphine, so that's an
indictment of what was going onthere commercially with cough
syrups and codeines.
And then you have the scarecrow.
So in the 1890s, specificallyin political cartoons, farmers

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were often depicted asscarecrows.
So this is how they kind ofmade fun of them, that they
didn't have much common sense orbrain, like they could put a
manpower, but they had nodirection, they were slow to
getting to the party.
And the Tin man, you know, mostof the time he's represented as
industry, right, and the Tin manis kind of interesting.

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In the book you actually learnhow he becomes the Tin man.
He fall in love with a munchkinwho I guess was working for the
Wicked Witch of the East.
Each time he tried to sling itand he lost like one limb at a
time and was pieced together.
And that's how he eventuallybecame the tin man and didn't

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remember about his past life orprevious love and didn't have a
heart.
And then lion, you know, thecowardly lion, the pussy cat,
represents politicians, and soyou just went through the
description of WJ Bryan andmentioned everything that I had
in my notes.
The only other thing I wasgoing to mention was you know

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why there was this talk aboutbimetallism or having silver,
because you know the more Iguess what you'd view as middle
class now, people at the timehad more access to silver than
they did gold.
Gold was more of a commodity ofthe elite, but then the panic
of 1893 happened, which onlysharpened the tone or the

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rhetoric on all this discussion.
So that's what I had andlearned.
It's not the weird stuff Ipicked up on, though on the
parallels between the book andthe movie, but I'll save those
and let y'all comment up on theparallels between the book and
the movie, but I'll save thoseand let y'all comment.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Chris, you got any comments on the characters when
you were looking at this fromyour standpoint.
Is it trying to tell ussomething?

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Well, frank L Baum has a connection with Lewis
Carroll.
You guys know about that, no,that's the Alice in Wonderland,
though.
Yeah, he was a distant cousinof Lewis Carroll, and Lewis

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Carroll, for those that are notfamiliar, he was actually one of
the suspects as being Jack theRipper, and that wasn't too far
before all of this.
Tony, do you have a thing aboutthe greenback aspect?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Well, that was later, wasn't it?
Or are you talking about whenthey changed the greenbacks in
35, with the all-seeing eye andthe pyramid?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well, no, the original greenback was actually
something that Lincoln did inthe Civil War, correct?
We've talked about this.
The only two presidents thatever printed currency direct
from the Treasury were AbrahamLincoln and JFK, and they were
both shot in the head in public.
So those are the two presidents.
Oh, interesting enough, kennedy, when he printed his from the

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Treasury, it was the $5 billwhich had Lincoln on it.
So weird enough there.
But yeah, there was theGreenback.
History and I think that's whatthe Emerald Palace represents
was the greenback and the wizardbehind it.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Right and actually in the book.
When they get to the city ofEmerald it's more long form in
the book for some reason.
Instead of Emerald City it'sCity of Emerald, and the Yellow
Brick Road is different as well.
But before they're allowed toenter into the city they're
instructed to put on thesesafety glasses that are needed
for the city and they're greentinted and everybody inside the

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city is wearing them.
So everything has the illusionof looking green, even though it
isn't.
It reminded me of kind of theinverse of they Live right, that
movie, john.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Carpenter, 1988, late day of living.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Only when they put on the glasses that they see the
actual reality as it exists.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I just thought of this, but is there any
connection?
Was he trying to communicateanything from Hermes
Trismegistus, the ancient seer,the philosopher, wizard, like
the wizard there, the emeraldtablet.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, that's a good point.
I didn't think of that.
The emerald tablet Yep, hermesTrismegistus, maybe.
Maybe so, because the wickedwitch, how she's originally
depicted according to hiswriting is, is not the way it's
shown in the movie.
She's actually an old lady inthe book and she doesn't have a
broom, she has an umbrella andshe's wearing like a peacock

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coat, but she only has one eyeand the other has an eye patch
over it and her eye is atelescoping eye where she can
see anything from her castleusing that eye and can get like
the beat on anybody in thekingdom.
So that obviously reminded meof the all-seeing eye, nimrod,

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and that's why I started lookingat henry morganthal jr and when
he actually changed the greenback, when he added the
all-seeing eye and then the thepyramid and I I guess the owl,
and that was in 1935, but thatwas a weird, a weird detail that
he added into the book aboutthe witch.
And the other thing that wasfunny to me to me is they both

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have different kingdoms right,northeast, south and West, and
in the West the kingdom was theWinkies kingdom and I think that
might've been like a tongue incheek, like she only has one eye
, so they wink at each otherbehind her back of thing that's
interesting.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, a little bit of history that I do know about uh
, the modern and what that iswhat you're seeing on the
greenback, the modern dollar.
That was started after, uh,franklin roosevelt took office
and then he had people turn intheir gold and we went into like
this, quasi it's.
That's when the federal reservemade true connection with the
Treasury and they started totake over completely is when we

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decoupled from physical gold.
You weren't allowed to ownphysical gold anymore as an
average citizen.
Only other governments could,or foreign citizens.
But they came out with thegreenback.
You are right about that.
I've forgotten that history.
But that seal, that's the greatseal of the United States.
That is not something thatHenry Morgenthau came up with,

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that was Benjamin Franklin andBenjamin Franklin designed that.
And if you look at the backI'll tell you I don't have a
dollar on me.
It's funny.
I should go get one.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
We're broke.
I'm in a golden soul.
You sound like everybody elsein America, tony, that's a wink
to give a tip to this show.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
We don't have any time, we're fine.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
I'm living inside a golden silver shop but I could
go get a dollar.
If we had a better camera Icould show you.
But if you take the dollar andyou lay it on its back and
you've got the great seal of theUnited States and you and you
lay it on its back and you'vegot the uh, uh, the great seal
of the united states, and youlook at that pyramid with the
all-seeing eye and I, just bymemory, it's novus orta seclorum
, yeah, which means a new orderfor the ages, and annuit septus,

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which means he approves of ourundertakings.
This is the two things.
But if you take the, if you puta square and compass, like a
masonic compass, inside theperfect points of the pyramid
and it touches the letters, itspells Mason.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
I don't know if you ever I haven't heard that.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
There's codes inside of it.
These are people like BenjaminFranklin.
You know, in the foundingfathers are products of the
Enlightenment and they had theirown.
You know.
They put their own value on ontalisman and things like that
value on on talisman and thingslike um right, but again beside
the point, but that that didhappen in 33, that's a big leap

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and chunk of time, yes, from lfrank bomb, and I know that, um,
he's already so.
That allegory of the, thegreenback inside of the emerald
palace and also, uh, the housingthe wizard, I think is
interesting because a lot ofpeople think there's been some,
I think, confusion that the,that the wizard of oz is
connected in timeline with thefederal reserve, but it predates

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it right by 13 years.
Yeah, a nice, a nice 13 yeargap, you know between the two.
But if you're, if you'rereading that and and ingesting
it and and letting that sit inyour subconscious, it like comes
out and it really is the, thetale there of, and especially we
get into to the differences inthe movie like you were bringing

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up, mr anderson, the um, one ofthe things like, uh, dorothy
doesn't have ruby slippers, shehas silver slippers to get home.
They changed that in the movie.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah, the studio said they changed it to make them
look more vibrant than somethingwould be gray or silver.
That was the reasoning.
But yeah, there are lots ofinteresting differences, like
when Dorothy first gets thereright and she lands on the
wicked witch of the east.
It's not glenda.
Glenda is the witch of thesouth, it's actually the witch

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of the north who's already there.
She was like summoned somehowas soon as that had happened and
before dorothy walks out andI'd like to talk about her
walking out again with her intosomething else.
But um, she, she's like kind ofconfounded because they all say
she's a witch and that's theonly way she could have killed
the witch of the east and shedoesn't like the idea of witches

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.
So when she's talking to the,the witch of the north, who's
presumably good, she's saying Idon't like witches and we don't
have them back where I'm from.
And the witch of the northresponds well, in a civilized
country you don have them, butwe're an uncivilized country.
So that was an interestingthing to mix into the book as

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well.
But there are a lot of contrastswith the book and movie.
I mean, the book doesn't endwhere the movie ends.
The book doesn't end where themovie ends.
So there's like a half a bookleft or something like that,
maybe a third where she actuallyhas to travel to the South and
meet Glenda.
And I'm going to spare you allthe boring details, but I did

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think that distinction of thewitch having the one eye, and it
just reminded me of Sauron.
Maybe that's where Tolkien gotthe idea, but then, you know, it
harkens back to Nimrod.
That's just really interestingto add to the book in my opinion
.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
What do you think L Frank Baum was trying to
communicate with it really?
I mean, he tells this story,but you got to really think
about it.
Does it have different meaningsfor different?

Speaker 3 (28:04):
people.
Is there a synopsis on this andwhat I'm supposed to think?
Well, it's definitely aboutmoney, one of the other subtle
differences in the book, andit's actually in the movie too.
But when they come back,dorothy and her cohorts right
and go back to Oz and see thewizard and he asked what happens
, and she says, oh, I melted her.
And he goes oh, you liquidatedher.
And in the book it actuallyuses the same thing, the same

(28:26):
term liquidated, and so youalways think of liquidation as
it relates to some monetarything.
And they literally use water tomelt her Right, and that happens
in the book too.
It's really weird, though,because the witch is afraid of
water, and supposedly she'safraid of water because she's so
old and she doesn't have bloodin her veins, so it really just

(28:50):
dissolves her, that's.
That's the context of ithappening, which is interesting,
I guess, but but usingliquidated versus melting, like
I thought that was on purpose,like that that's does she not
have blood in her veins becauseshe's?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
there's no circulation like there's?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
no adrenochrome.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
We just got banned on three channels thank you you've
been.
I always got a text fromfacebook.
You've been canceled um.
I was thinking of circulationlike currency.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Oh yeah, that's probably better.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I forgot when you were talking about Toto earlier.
And I remember when I learnedthe word teetotaler, I was in
Iraq and my first sergeant, hecame up just randomly.
He was like you guys, I wastalking to my friends.
He's like you guys read a lot.
I said, yeah, I read as much asI can.
I was 23.
And he goes yeah, I read asmuch as I can, I was 23.
And he goes well, I tell youwhat?

(29:49):
Tell me what the wordteetotaler means.
And I go, I'm just, I'm pullingthrough the database, I don't
know.
In my mind I'm like I don't know.
He's like it's just somebodywho abstains from alcohol and
prefers tea.
And I wondered why he wastelling me that.
And I think it had something todo with us getting whiskey from
the Christian sector ofnorthern Iraq.

(30:10):
We weren't supposed to.
I was like is he telling me notto drink?
I think that's what he wascommunicating.
But yeah, I learned that wordand it's stuck in my mind ever
since.
So 20 plus years ago.
Why did he insert that?
Was L Frank Baum a teetotaler?
Do we know?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
I don't know, but again he had the field of poppy
too, where they fell asleep.
So he was seemingly making aconsistent point about substance
abuse.
I mean, he was he was yeah,it's, it's it's funny because in
the in the book the Tin mandoesn't fall asleep.
The Scarecrow doesn't fallasleep, it's just Dorothy and
the lion.

(30:53):
And the Tin man and theScarecrow can't move the lion.
So actually there's this fieldmouse queen who is in the field
and she's being chased by abobcat and the Tin man kills the
bobcat with his axe and becauseof that, all the field mice
scamper off and pick up the lineand that's how he's transported
.
But in the movie, um, it waschanged to snow.

(31:16):
Right, and chris, you probablyknow more about this, but didn't
that snow have like a lot ofasbestos in it or something?

Speaker 4 (31:23):
yeah, and buddy ebsen had that grease paint that they
put on him.
Buddy Ebsen for anyone that isbelow the age of 80 or 75, he
was the lead in the BeverlyHillbillies and he was the
original Tin man and, yeah, hehad an allergic reaction and

(31:47):
they had to recast the role and,yeah, it would have been a
whole different thing if he wasallowed to continue.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
What are the early references?
Do people understand what hewas talking about?
Where was it?
Just like, oh, this is a reallyfantastical tale about these
multi-dimensional, strangecharacters, or did?
Did pop culture pick up?
I find that old pop culture Iremember.
Uh, this meme I mean it's not ameme as a cart, it was a

(32:20):
cartoon and a in a.
They didn't call them memes,but it could have been today and
it had Karl Marx shaking handswith JP Morgan and all these
John Deere Doing a great job.
Karl Today, what are youtalking about?
That was kind of a shrug, Likehey, we realized that high

(32:42):
finance funds commies, that wasa thing that journalists got.
I think they got rid of a lotof those type of journalists.
You know that actually make youthink, but that was.
I remember Jim Mars shared thatin one of his books.
Like people got it back then.
I'm guessing that they did.
That'll scare you to death whenyou actually read history and

(33:02):
realize how smart people werelike.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Oh, I think they got it yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
They must have, because I I mean, we're lost on
that too.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
We have so much more information technically I, and
I've never had a thought beforelooking at my pups and say, wow,
you look real sober.
Today we're sober-minded.
But that's the writing in thebook, so it's just pointing
again to what his intention wasand naming the dog Toto.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Now do you think?

Speaker 3 (33:31):
that's why the Jackson father oh that's Tito.
I'm just playing, just throwingyou off there a little bit Tito
and Toto.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
I was just thinking about all the Walt Disney
propaganda with Daffy Duck andDonald Duck during World War II
with Hitler and all that.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
What propaganda with Daffy Duck.
Oh, they had some.
Oh yeah, Hitler was one of hisfavorite.
He liked the Disney cartoons hedid.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
But he hated the Three Stooges and even put a hit
out on all three of them and Ithink I told you, Mr Henderson,
about that.
Yeah, that's a whole thing.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah, I don't remember that.
Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Stalin put a hit out on John Wayne for talking shit
in the press.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Oh yeah, john Wayne had a ranch in Arizona pretty
close to where we visited.
Remember, tony?
Oh, I do.
You weren't eager, not far fromit, oh okay, now we went out to
.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
All three of us have paid our pilgrimage to Bill
Cooper's grave.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
That's right, and we were probably half the people
who did so.
I even saw the beast.
What was it?
The beast, liquid or whateverthat someone left on the top of
bill cooper's grave histombstone yeah, well, there's
something that I left there forhim.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Um he missed me, gave him a gift, okay selfie.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
It was a good selfie there was a bunch of different
presence there.
I just uh, I just was in awe ofbeing in the presence of the
final resting place of MrWilliam Cooper, the hour of the
time, anyway.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
I'm going to contradict myself a little bit
with this abstinence thing.
Okay, because actually whenthey return back and Oz fixes
them or gives them whatever theyare hoping for brain, a heart,
courage With the lion, you know,in the movie he bestows upon
him a medal of courage, right?

(35:36):
But in the book, he actuallygives them some liquid courage.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Oh my God, Seriously.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
It's like green liquid that's supposed to give
them courage.
What's that green liquid calledthat you get?
Yeah, there you go he's gonnatrip, trip out yeah so it's just
a that frank bomb's just acontradiction, you know, yeah
definitely makes you.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
that's the reason why we're still talking about it,
like the allegory itself.
It it taps into I thinksubconsciously to imagery that
you maybe would like assigncertain segments of your reality
, like you talked about thefarmer being the scarecrow and
William Jennings Bryan being thecowardly lion and the industry
having no heart.

(36:21):
It's just really good, you know, I mean, that's the way we
think of.
Like it's pieced together, it'sbecome this Leviathan.
Know, I mean, that's the way wethink of.
Like it's pieced together, it'sbecome this Leviathan.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Well, it's used everywhere.
There's this series on Ibelieve it's Apple, called Silo,
yeah, and in season two, wizardof Oz comes up.
It's apparently I rememberseeing the book.
It's not doesn't say WonderfulWizard of Oz, right, which is
the correct name of the book.
It just says Wizard of Oz,right, which is the correct name

(36:48):
of the book.
It just says Wizard of Oz.
But they need the book to helpdecipher a message.
It's like a magic decoder ring,without giving too much away.
So it comes up all the time.
I mean people are kind ofinfatuated.
It's actually a good movie.
I mean I rewatched it.
There's nothing wrong with it.
It was a little long becausethey made it into a musical with
it.
It was a little long becausethey made it into a musical and
they had to take some things out.

(37:09):
But one of the otherinteresting things that they
took out, in my opinion, was theWicked Witch actually had a
silver whistle that she used inher book and it summoned all
these evil things and when shewas trying to get rid of the
team Dorothy and her cohorts.
The first time it was likewolves that were sent, and then
crows, and then the third timewas bees, and I was curious if

(37:30):
you'd know this, chris, butapparently the original movie
had this dance sequence that.
Oh, don't tell me the jitterbugthe jitterbug, so the bees were
supposed to sting them and thebees actually die trying to
sting the 10 man, but it madethem, I don't know, go into this
jitterbug dance and they had tocut it out of the movie.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
And that footage only survived because of
behind-the-scenes home videofootage.
It was a whole dance sequencecalled the Jitterbug and you can
see that on YouTube and stuff,and it had all kinds of
different meanings too.
And um, it didn't survivebecause, uh, apparently one of

(38:13):
the one of the stage hands, um,he accidentally let the film get
exposed in the, uh, thesunlight, which is a big no-no
back, especially back then, youknow, pre-digital um the
jitterbug.
Uh sequence um yeah I saw a bitof it I want to bring it back
with you guys, like for everytime we have like a holiday

(38:34):
edition of paratrooper.
I was kind of hoping that allthree of us could do like the
jitterbug, the whole jitterbug,goddamn sequence.
You know what I mean.
Well, they're getting rid oftiktok chris, so it might be all
right.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Well, forget it then?

Speaker 4 (38:47):
all right, never mind , yeah, that's uh.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
I just found that out but this might be a good
transition if we're talkingabout movie as it relates to the
wizard of oz.
Yes, so specifically pinkfloyd's dark side of the moon.
I've I've done this before.
Do you mind if I describe myexperience, tony?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
you was.
It's funny because, because Iwas going to segue right in, you
beat me to it, so good job.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
I don't have to worry Before.
Mr Anderson does that.
Tony, have you been privy tothe jitterbug?
Deleted sequence.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
No.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Okay, all right, I got interested in the story
based off of my because I alwaysdo these dives into the
monetary system and how weird itgets in the history of gold and
silver.
But before we do, I'll let youguys let this question.
Thinking I want to talk aboutPink Floyd.
Let this question, thinkingthat's how we'll end the show
and we don't answer it now.

(39:45):
But what?
What was L Frank Baum trying tosay?
I mean that's and that's.
That is the question mark thathangs over.
I mean he tells the story, theallegory of the thing, you know,
and maybe I've got my owninterpretation, but it's not a
clear message on what he'strying to say about the monetary
system or about the how itdrives so much of our reality.

(40:06):
We'll answer that at the end ofthe show.
I do want to, and I've talkedto Mr Anderson and I was driving
over to my land a couple ofdays ago.
We were talking about PinkFloyd and I was listening to the
Dark Side of the Moon Greatalbum, by the way.
I hadn't listened to it since Iwas a kid and I turned it back.
It's a great album.
Mr Anderson, tell us about yourexperience with syncing this

(40:26):
thing up with a movie.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Well, a friend and I did this when I was a teenager,
so everything I remember has tobe exactly correct.
Right, that was not long ago atall, but it was his second time
to try it, my friend, and hetold me he's like it works, and
I have instructions and I knowhow to do it.
He had a record player in thealbum and I remember you were

(40:55):
supposed to start the music onthe third line, roar right, the
MGM line, and the first thingthat stuck out to me that I
remember it's the second song onPink Floyd's Dark Side of the
Moon, it's Breathe and inparentheses, in the air.
And I remember the lyric, run,rabbit run.
And it synced entirely withDorothy running at that exact
moment when the cyclone wasabout to hit the farm and I was
like, ok, you have my attentionnow.

(41:17):
But the weirdest part and Ithink about this a little
differently now than I did then,but was right when she opened
up the door into Technicolorfrom that kind of gray-ish kind
of abyss into like justsparkling colors all over the
place, was exactly when moneystarted playing, as soon as she
sees the yellow brick road right, gold, and you hear this

(41:40):
cha-ching, cha-ching, and it's.
I'm telling you it's.
It was perfectly synced.
And just if that wasn't enough,the moment the guitar solo
kicked in was right when themunchkins started breaking out
and dance, and I was like whatin the world?
There's no way.
This is all a coincidence, butthey've never admitted it.

(42:00):
They've denied it.
Pink Floyd has right, and thatjust makes me respect them all
the more because I don't believeyou.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Take a step back and we talked about this.
Believe you take a step backand we talked about this.
You take a step back if youwere going to construct an album
and you had some talent, youhad some ideas for songs.
But you take this old moviefrom the 30s and you're like
let's just.
You know the entire length ofit what a modern studio album
should be, and do like you wereyou know john williams or
something like you're going toconstruct the music like for

(42:29):
Star Wars or for you know he'sdone about it.
John Williams did some otherfilms that he did Jaws JFK.
Indiana Jones, he do, indianaJones.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
I believe Yep absolutely.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Oh yeah.
So I mean, if you were going todo that, that would be massive
inspiration, so you'd write thesongs around it.
I think that would be massiveinspiration, so you'd write the
songs around it.
I think that would be a goodtemplate to start with.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
I mean it's an ingenious idea.
I think so too, and for me atthe time it was just my favorite
song of theirs on that album,money, which is why I was paying
such close attention to thetiming and everything but money.
Yellow brick road for the firsttime, all the technicolor.
I mean it's just, it's toobizarre, it's awesome it's on
par with the uh, john is dead,the paula's dead thing, uh, the

(43:16):
hoax, in my opinion, with thebeatles, yes, yep, 100, yeah I
think this one's real, though,and I think they use the first
song on dark side of the moonthat speak to me instrumental as
kind of the fudge factor to putthe cushion in there but I
think things like money I thinkit was a similar approach, you

(43:37):
know, in terms of, um, I thinkit was definitely on purpose,
that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.
Like I don't think it was ahoax, I think it was on purpose,
just like paula's dead yeah,and the album doesn't run
through the entire movie, rightit just it stops midway through
it because that's how long it is, but yeah, yeah if you haven't
done that before, I encourageyou to, but that's the way I
remember it and it was pretty,pretty convincing that's fun.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I like stuff like that.
I mean it's uh, it's artistic.
And again I mean I mean it's uh, it's artistic.
And again I mean you.
It's ingrained in popularculture, it's ingrained in our
consciousness and the zeitgeist,and not only the book from you
know, 1900.
And that's interesting, causethat's like the, it's uh, the
and I misspoke earlier and I'llcorrect myself myself Ingersoll

(44:26):
Lockwood's book is 1900 or theLast President.
He wrote it in 1896.
And, by the way, 1896, he wrotethat book about the last
president and that's where theyburned down the Fifth Avenue
Hotel, which is basically whereTrump Tower is today, and that's
where the candidate book isfrom.

(44:47):
And it's a terrible book.
1900 or the last.
I want to say that again, it'sawful, it's just bizarre, though
it's a bizarre thing, but hewrote it in 1896.
And again, that was the year.
Who was president in 1896?
It was Grover Cleveland, andGrover Cleveland was the only
other president to be electedtwice without succession.

(45:08):
He came back.
He was.
I forget what number ofpresident he was, but I remember
Harry Truman said this becauseHarry Truman was the 33rd
president.
He's like actually I'm not the33rd president because Grover
Cleveland was elected twice andhe should have been the same.
He thought it should have kepthis same number, like his same
number, because he was thepresident again, anyway.

(45:28):
But that is weird, like weirdsynchronicities of history.
There was a lot of thought atthe end of the 19th century
about our monetary system and Iwant people to understand just
how much skullduggery, how muchsubterfuge, how much effort it
took to put together thecreature from Jekyll Island,

(45:48):
that meeting that they had onNovember 22, 1910 in Jekyll
Island.
When they got together and theywent in secret, they told no
one.
They wore masks, right, Tony,they wore disguises to get out
there because people werealready anticipating that they
were going to do something withthe central bank because of the
panic of 1907 that theyengineered, you know, it was

(46:10):
always a crisis thatprecipitates the, the, the
actual, you know, input,implementation of any of these
kinds of tyrannies.
And there was, oh for thesafety of everyone the problem
reaction solution.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Wasn't there some weird folklore about the
location where they actuallybuilt everything on Jekyll
Island, like there was some raceof ancient giant Native
Americans there or somethinglike that?
At the time, and there was aburial ground.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
There's a book out on that on the roots of the
Federal Reserve, and it's likeit was, like it has ties to like
the Nephilim and that kind ofgoes back to.
Genesis 6.
Would that surprise anybody?

Speaker 1 (46:54):
No.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
It's come out of that , but people were anticipating
that, so it didn't come out inthe way that it had.
In previous timelines it waslike no, we're here to help you
and it's federal, it's part ofyours, even though it's not.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
It is no more federal than Federal express, like
jesse ventura said well, andeven federal express is has more
accountability.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
That's right.
Yeah, they're a publicly tradedcompany you can actually book.
So the federal reserve issomething to an entity unto
itself.
That's right.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
So, yeah, interesting , interesting um well, there's
some other weird things in thebook.
I don't know if we should paymuch notice to them, but there
was some coincidence with thenumber 12.
So the Wicked Witch actuallyshows up in Chapter 12.
It's called the Search for theWicked Witch, and in the movie

(47:46):
the witch is only shown for 12minutes that's right, so I don't
know why margaret hamilton yeah, just weird stuff.
And if you watch the witch youknow she actually um excretes
this kind of chemtrail.
Remember dorothy surrender yes,that's right.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Chemtrail, yeah, yeah , the flying monkeys.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
That's actually when they all fell asleep.
Is that that's right?
A chemitrail, yeah, yeah, theflying monkeys.
That's actually when they allfell asleep.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
That's when the scarecrow lost his ability to
think.
Well, that sounds apropos forour timeline.
Maybe that's why people can'tthink today it's the Yankee King
Trail spray that they're doing.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah, it's.
What's her name?
The one that was in Epstein'scorner there, John Podesta
Abramoff, or?
I can't pronounce her name, butyou know who I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yeah, maybe she's that trained Lady Gaga.
Have you seen that?
Oh my, yeah, she went like on awitch retreat or something.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Have you seen that?
Oh my God, yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Like on a witch retreat or something.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
That's a whole other show.
Yeah, she's dark.
Yeah, it's a whole other show.
Oh, yeah, well, so, tony, whatdo you think?
What to surmise the whole thing?
Do you think that Frank L Baumwas trying to warn future
generations about thiscorruption?

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I think he wanted to put it into, I think he wanted
to shine a light on somethingthat was deep into the
subconscious of people, but theydidn't really talk about it.
Like, we don't talk about money.
We do and we don't.
We don't really understand whatit is.
We don't understand money.
There's a philosophical basisfor the idea of money and what

(49:36):
it drives and what it creates.
And if you have something, ifyou have a control of the money
supply, you can control reality.
Now, you can't control truth,but you can control reality.
And a lot of this is where itgets really strange.
And my studies, um, like, welive in a timeline that's
actually fake.
You know, a lot, of, a lot ofthings shouldn't exist.

(49:58):
Um, you know, if you, if youlook at, like, 1971 was really
interesting.
We went off the gold standard,that's the first.
That was the same year that wegot the mic, the first
microprocessor, yeah, right.
And then after that, I mean 71,we, we only did one more.
If you, and again we can, weshould do a, an apollo missions,
uh, paratrooper, but let's justsay, for all intensive purposes

(50:21):
, the history books are correctand we're, you know, we're
exploring space and we'releaving earth's orbit and we're
going to the moon.
Well, we never did that againafter 72.
Yeah, like a lot of, a lot ofthe, a lot of the exactitude of
our society or the things thatwe could accomplish.
Like, I remind people, we builtthe empire state building at

(50:42):
the height of the greatdepression.
Yeah, that was ingenuity.
We're going to get it done,this is what it costs, we're
going to build it and King Kongclimbs up the top of it.
Like we have that in ourpopular consciousness, but we
don't do those things anymore.
And I think it's the loss ofexactitude, the loss of

(51:04):
precision, the loss ofaccountability of precision, the
loss of accountability becausein a world where you know the
money flows and it's fake, yeah,it creates fake things and so,
yes, you can still have greatentrepreneurs and things.
They're not like the ones thatthey were, you know, 70, 80
years ago.
They're just not the same typeof people.

(51:24):
Um, I think are, think you loseyour way.
Popular culture is funded inlarge part by fake and so it
creates fake.
It's a symbiotic thing, itfeeds on itself.
We have wars of choice.
We have wars that we never hadin the past when we had to
account for the money, butbecause they can do what.

(51:45):
We give the t-shirt man over inUkraine, a truly evil individual
.
We give that guy hundreds ofbillions of dollars to do what
you know, like we're not.
It's, I mean, you can make thisa political argument, but we're
not, definitely not helpingourselves and we have like the
country's imploding, our cultureis declining, we have real
problems, um, infrastructuredoesn't work.

(52:06):
I mean, our la it's burnt, youknow, but we give hundreds of
billions of dollars to, to thet-shirt guy.
I I just find that to be, Ithink that's a, that is an
extension of fake currency.
So l frank bomb, I think'spainting a picture to show us
the, you know, the, the outs,the outcropping of what the

(52:27):
basis of the philosophy of moneyis and, um, how the yellow road
leads to they're reallygrooming uh the best minds to
manipulate uh things like wallstreet and things right Not to
be innovators and to uh thebetterment of mankind.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
It's what's there.
It's almost like they'regrooming the best minds to
figure out the best ways toscrew out, screw over like the
common man.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Well, they have camps for that.
Like people who are graduatingwith PhDs in mathematics and
physics from places like MIT,wall Street will have camps for
them and host them, and a lot ofthose people end up not doing
physics or applied mathematicsafter they graduate, they go and
work for Wall Street to make abank.
That's what they do and, justtying into what you're saying,

(53:18):
tony, I mean they're directedright to follow the yellow brick
road, or the road of yellowbrick as it says in the book.
I mean that just to me.
It says follow the money in thebook.
I mean that just to me.
It says follow the money andwhen you get to the end you're
going to find all the impostersand you're going to have to put
on your green glasses.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
If you want inside Right, Well, and it may be.
You know, and it's at the end,Toto, which may be, represents
sobriety.
A sober look.
A sober look pulls the curtainaway.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
That's exactly right.
I actually was going to saythat you PBT.
That's another point.
That's exactly right.
I actually was going to saythat you PBT.
That's another point.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
That's the trouble with being my best friend.
I'm sorry, it's a disadvantagethat you have.
Sir, I can read your mind.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
Can I just say this one last thing we really should
do an expose on the Apollomissions, because I've come to
find that every time there was anew um, a new controversy when
it came to the war in Vietnam,we coincide with a new
development, with newsconferences when it came to the

(54:22):
Apollo missions, and I don'tthink that's coincidence.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I really don't.
They certainly don't do thatnow, like when they have like a
real crisis going on, and saybut wait, you know, think that's
a coincidence?
I really don't.
Well, they certainly don't dothat now, like when they have a
real crisis going on, and saybut wait, you know, there's a
car that has fireworks and it'selectric and it's burning in
front of Trump Tower, andthere's also gravatic controlled
Chinese drones that arepenetrating our airspace Right.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Like what was it?
I'm going to butcher this, butthe, the Miley or the melee
massacre Me lie.
That coincides, I believe, withApollo 13.
Hmm, interesting there's a lotthere.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Tony, let's get those timelines and match them up.
That's something that's a realpossibility.
You know, um, of course, lyndonjohnson's ties you know with
with houston, you know in thecontrol there and not being in
in florida strange, right,there's a whole bunch of high.
Strange to him being vicepresident in charge of that.
Uh, for, yeah, yeah, there's,there's a even even with uh,

(55:25):
nasa and houston um.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
There's a connection with Lee Harvey Oswald, with the
original shooter.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
So many people, don't you guys, and you can finish.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Please, please, please.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
This is a weird piece of history.
A lot of people don't realizethat a lot of the people that
were in the periphery of the JFKassassination questions and
investigations, A lot of them,when they were done with their
role, went to work for NASA.
That's correct People thatdidn't know each other, by the
way.
They all went to work for NASA.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
So, speaking of NASA, I forgot to bring up this point
in the book.
But Dorothy's just wondering ifshe can go north enough, south
enough, any which way enough toget back home.
And the witch of the north saysno, we're surrounded by an
infinite desert.
And at the center of our worldis Oz, and I was like that just
kind of describes a flat earth.

(56:19):
Only you replaced ice sheetswith the desert.
I just thought it was funny.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Well, it is interesting and we didn't.
I don't know if we elucidatedon this enough, but Oz means
ounce, yeah, ounces of gold andsilver.
That's right, yeah, interesting.
Is there any allegory on thetornado?
Or being in Kansas?
Because that's flat earth, ifyou really want to.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
No, I tried to look into this.
He had never been to Kansas.
Apparently he had anacquaintance who had, but when
he was in South Dakota againworking for the newspaper South
Dakota experienced a lot ofdrought.
So many people think that'swhat he was kind of trying to
describe for the introduction tothe book.

(57:08):
But I will say about thattornado, that's still the most
terrifying tornado in cinema tome and it was basically like
just a long tube sock that theywere spinning around.
It still looks better thananything in Twister, those cows
being thrown past the car.
You remember that Right, veryerotic.
I don't know what else the cyclcyclone represents.

(57:30):
Did you have any thoughts, tony?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
I?
I think just the the chaos ofthe times perhaps, uh, you know,
there's a mega death is a songabout, uh, about the tornado of
souls, uh, that I've listened tosince I was a kid.
It's on um yeah p cells.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
Well, who's buying?
No, it's not on p cells, it'son, yeah, peace cells.
Well, who's?

Speaker 2 (57:48):
buying.
No, it's not on peace cells,it's on rust and peace.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
A rust in peace.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah, that's a great.
You know it's talking aboutbeing in the eye of the tornado
and listen to that and then.
So sometimes it's just aboutthe being thrown out of taking
the chaos of life and puttingyou into another.
You know, another reality.
Yeah, thank you, chris.
Another reality or another wayof looking at things and being
in the eye of it, perhaps.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Well, mr Mustaine, he , he, he knows his stuff.
If you really listen to the guy, you know and I just want to
tell people out there that I'llcome up I'll find.
I came across it while doingresearch for Hidden History 3
and 4.
But Charles Whitman, theoriginal gangster, the OG spree

(58:38):
shooter, yeah, he worked side byside with Lee Harvey Oswald at
NASA in Houston.
Whoa, yeah, whoa there's alittle cliffhanger for you.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
I have never heard.
We'll have to dig into that.
Well, that's why Chris is thebest in the business.
I I just know that there was somany people that weren't went
to work for NASA and that afterjust being in the periphery and
questioned in the JFKassassination there's a lot
there, man yeah, and that andquestioned in the JFK
assassination there's a lotthere, man yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
And I think that ties back into, into Johnson and
yeah Well, guess what?
John Connolly, uh, that was inthe front, uh, he, he got shot
with Kennedy.
He was in charge of thecommission to look into, um, the
motivation for Charles Whitmanand they, their conclusion was
that he had like a brain worm ora brain tumor growing, not

(59:34):
unlike a RFK jr, he had a brainworm.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, interesting.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Well, the last thing just to hop back to the book, I
think that he was trying to sayin the ending was you know how
grateful Dorothy was to be backhome to her kind of gray and
dreary place, and actually cameacross a quote that Frank Baum
had, and it's it is no matterhow dreary and gray our homes

(01:00:05):
are, we, people of flesh andblood, would rather live there
than in any other country.
Be it ever so.
Message, too, about beinggrateful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Okay, there's a lot of things more important than
money most things except thefact that you have to talk about
it.
When it is the source ofeveryday evils like that is that

(01:00:32):
we have.
You have to wrap your brainaround it and talk about it, but
you should not seek it in andof itself.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
For the sake of itself, it should be well, you
can't, you can't take it withyou right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
the pharaohs proved that well if, if you stare into
the abyss long enough, it's oneof those things that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
One of my favorite stories about the gold is uh,
there was a ship crossing theatlantic and a man had his, all
his savings with uh with him ingold bars.
And uh, the ship was going down.
So he decided he was going totry to save himself and he
jumped overboard and the goalwas so heavy he sunk to the
bottom of the ocean.
He just went straight down andone of the writers said well,

(01:01:17):
while he was sinking, did hehave the gold or did the gold
have him?

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
That's right.
You can't take it with youfolks.
So be the best person, be thebest human being you can
possibly be right now, in thehere and now.
Whether it's simulation or not,or whatever, I think there's a
lot to learn from that you can'ttake it with you, so give it to
us.
Give it to us.

(01:01:40):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
For, just for just fifty dollars a day.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
You have to do it, though you have to have the
commercial at 2 o'clock in themorning.
You've got to catch him halfasleep, right?
That's when you get those weirdinfomercials like shit.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
I'm selling something else that was like with Trump
Before the 2016 election.
He had all these get-rich-quickscheme uh infomercials and
people were like, oh he, he'snever going to become president.
And all of a sudden, someonewas backing him and he got ahead
in the polls.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
And here we are now my favorite things I ever saw
him do was uh, it was the supertuesday of in 2016, early 2016,
and he just like swept a bunchof states and he just came out
and he started out.
He's like, and this is trumpvodka and he was like he was
doing it and now he has comicbooks where he's like superman,

(01:02:42):
like come on launched.
He just launched a coin youtalk about, you know money, and
I think it had a market cap of$13 billion.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Is that the one where he had fight, fight, fight,
where he has his fist up afterthe Did?

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
y'all see his presidential photo.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
He just tried to recreate his mugshot.
It looked like.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Well, tony, can I ask you guys this we kind of
touched upon it before we wentlive but what do you guys?
I know like it's not a goodthing to try to predict things,
but do you think tomorrow isgoing to go out, go off without
a hitch, like is it going to bea repeat of some kind of a

(01:03:26):
januaryth type thing?
But the other side, Tough tosay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I mean, you always want to be eternally vigilant
any time.
You never want to predict, oh,it's fine.
I mean, didn't you just lookstupid, that didn't age well,
and I come out and say it'sgoing to be just fine.
I think there's always crediblewell credible threats, but then
there's also uh real ones.
There's real ones and there'salso uh like again, subterfuge,

(01:03:56):
skullduggery, there's, there'smultiple factions, the, the
united states, and the powerstructure is not monolithic, and
you have to wonder.
You know, there was a somethingI talked about that kind of got
swept under the rug on January6, 2021.
One of the most crediblethreats out there that they're
running in the papers youbrought this up, chris which was
a Iranian sleeper cell that wasgoing to be activated to fly a

(01:04:19):
plane into the capital onJanuary 6, right.
That's right.
Yeah, yep, in retaliation forthe killing of General Soleimani
, I would just say stay frosty,my friends, and there will stay
frost.
It's supposed to be really cold.
Last time it was that cold.
It was JFK, I believe, and thatwas very cold you know, that's
what your country can do for you.
And the sun was so bright thatthey had the poet Robert Frost

(01:04:42):
come out and Frost couldn't readhis notes because it was so
glaring.
You know the sun shining downon the podium.
That was very cool.
You can see the breath from JFK.
He practiced that in thebathtub.
He just did it over and overagain and practiced the inflate.
That's when people used toreally have high rhetoric.
I'm a connoisseur and a studentof high rhetoric and great
speeches.
I find those to be just some ofthe most moving things, and

(01:05:04):
nobody talks that way anymore.
We'll see things and nobodytalks that way anymore.
We'll see.
I pray.
Everything is just nice.
We got to get back to work inthis country.
We got to get to work, I got tobuild stuff and people need to
get ahead of the ball, andespecially with the amount of
inflation and damage done to thecurrency.
So I just pray for peace.
That's what I want.

(01:05:24):
I don't want anything to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Yeah, hopefully it's uneventful.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I would like it just to be boring and let's get back
to work.
Ceremony is in pomp andcircumstance, that's so you know
he ought to do.
But make a new tradition whereyou just send out a tweet, say
this is my inaugural address andjust donate the money to
homeless vets.
You know he's not going to dothat.
I know that's what I, you know,but you know he's not gonna do
that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
I know that's what I, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I just know, I know tradition, we're like we don't
do that and we just, you know,there's a lot of commanders and
stuff that were like eisenhowerhe didn't like come out looking
like a, you know, a southamerican dictator, you know,
with like giant things of metalright, right you stay in the
military millie got patches andyou know and stripes and things.
Then they have medals that hangon top of medals.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Someone has to carry your medals or lift them up
behind you.
Eisenhower just wore one ribbon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
I think he just wore one ribbon.
He did yeah, he did Well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
let's just hope that, for the sake of us and future
generations, that nothing willhappen in the next week I'm
hopeful we can just get a graspon inflation.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
I mean, yeah, it's.
It's impacted everybody so muchum the last few years.
It's just accelerated.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
It's terrible well, thank you, gentlemen, for being
here.
Anything else you want to add?
Did I miss anything?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
No, thank you guys, it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
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and with these two finegentlemen before me.
So thank you for watching andlistening.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
We're happy to have you.
Very much, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
I think you're fine too, chris.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Thank you, I think you're fine too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Chris.
Thank you, yeah, to get onemore in.
I know you don't want to befound, Mr Anderson, and Godspeed
.
Safe journeys until you go backto the other dimension where
you came.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Sounds like you're expelling an evil spirit, but
thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
I know I saw that.

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