#35 Paratruther - The Port Arthur Rabbit hole with Dani Mercy

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to
another episode of Paratruther.
I'm your host, tony Arterburn.
This is episode 35, and it's aspecial episode because we're
actually doing a swap cast withour guest, a very special guest.
We've been trying to put thisepisode together for the last
month or so.
I've been on her show and I'veenjoyed it.

(00:25):
I've enjoyed our friendship,and Wise Wolf sponsors her
magnificent program and we'regoing to introduce her in just a
second, but before I do I wantto make sure that I acknowledge
Mr Anderson and his brain.
Thank you for coming back toyour own show, sir.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Thanks for having me and thanks for coming, Danny.
I'm looking forward to this.
Thanks See, now you'reintroducing Danny.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
That's my job.
You did it first, did I Did.
I say Danny.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, you did, yeah, you did, I'm just piling on.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
You're just piling on , so it's supposed to be a big
reveal.
That's the way it's supposed togo.
I'm in sunny California, thetime change.
I don't even know what time itis.
I don't maybe not even surewhat year it is anymore.
They changed the time.
I'm two hours off and Beans theBrave is sitting behind me
supporting me, so we're going tohave a great show.

(01:15):
But Danny Mercy of the RabbitHole Conspiracy Theories podcast
, welcome to Paratrooper.
Thank you for being here.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Thanks for having me.
I'm really excited.
We have been working on gettingthis episode together for a
while now.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, when you say that we really have, and it's
been at least twice, and thenrescheduled, and then I think
Dani was going to give up on usand I convinced her not to.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I'm surprised you didn't I really am, I would have
.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm a very patient person she I really am.
I would have.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm a very patient person.
She showed us mercy.
We've had breakfast.
It's her name.
It's her last name.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's only because I bought her breakfast in Branson,
that she's stuck around andshe's decided to give us a 17th
chance.
So thank you for your patience,dan.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I mean, I think that it's been tough.
It's hard to schedule likearound everybody's schedules.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
And so we just we make it work.
You know, well, that's right.
I mean, um, mr anderson's myco-host and I don't want to not
do the show without him.
We got to line it up with himand you and me and uh, so I'm
actually on the road, but we'remaking this happen.
We have a great show.
Uh, your research.
I want to just say you know,this is a a pleasure to have you
, because I, because I've duginto your shows and your content
and your story and it's hardwork and I know what you're
doing.
It's you're not phoning it in,you're actually doing the.

(02:34):
You know the heavy lifting andI appreciate that, especially in
the realm of alternative mediawhere we are today, where a lot
of people, you know, look, theyphone it in.
So I appreciate you being hereand your research and all the
topics.
So let's dive in.
We wanted to cover the FortArthur massacre and a lot of

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people you know for thebackground.
I know what it is because ofthe.
You know late 90s and guncontrol and all the stuff that
surrounds that in Australia.
But yeah, I want to save it foryou know, save what my opinions
are for a little bit later.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
But let's dig into that.
Okay, tell me about the.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Port Arthur Massacre.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
So the Port Arthur Massacre is what caused gun
control in Australia.
Like there's the.
It's like the one thing thatyou're like, you can point to
and be like.
That's why the Australian gunlaws are the way they are now.
So this all happened.
I have on my podcast.
I did a two-part episode onthis, or two episodes deep in

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the history, but over here wedon't have enough time to get
into everything that I did overthere.
So I'm going to kind of giveyou a brief snapshot of just
what the massacre was before wedive into, like, all the
conspiracies behind it.
So on the morning of sunday,april 28th 1996, martin bryant,
who was the suspected shooter,was awoken by his alarm clock at

(03:59):
6 am.
So that's what his girlfriendtold the police, which which is
completely unlike him, becauseMartin never used an alarm clock
.
So a little bit of backstory onMartin.
He is 29 at this time.
He has never had a girlfriendbefore.
He had a hard time makingfriends because his IQ is really
really low.
He has an IQ of like 66.
He is on like a disabilitycheck.

(04:22):
He they thought maybe he hadschizophrenia.
What we know now is that he isautistic and pretty, extremely
autistic.
I don't think that they hadlike the scale and like they're
like, oh, he's on the autismautism spectrum, like they
didn't say all that, they justsaid, like this guy's slow, like
he's mentally handicapped, iswhat they kept saying.
And so he became really goodfriends with um, this lady who

(04:45):
was like this heiress to thelottery in Tasmania, and she
died.
When she died, which that whole, her death is really suspicious
.
But when she died she lefteverything to Martin, everything
that she owned.
So he inherited like almostlike a little over a million
dollars in today's money andlike three estates.

(05:06):
And then a little while later,not too far after that, his dad
committed suicide, which againanother really suspicious death,
and then Martin inherited abunch of money from him too.
So Martin's very well off, hedoesn't have to work.
Plus, he gets a disabilitycheck, so he's not working.
So this guy never wakes up toan alarm clock.
He gets a disability check, sohe's not working.
So this guy never wakes up toan alarm clock.

(05:26):
And what I thought was weird isthat he even had a girlfriend,
because they point a lot oftimes they're like, well, this
guy's a loner, he doesn't have agirlfriend, he doesn't have
friends, he doesn't have like,nobody loves him, so he wants to
commit this mass shooting, andthat's why and wasn't her name
petra or something like that,not like the petra dollar, but I
think it was petra yeah,something like that.
Definitely Not like the Petradollar but I think it was Petra.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, something like that Definitely started with a P
.
But I thought it was funny whenI saw a video of her in an
interview, kind of describinghim as a person and she and all
these other children who kind ofknew him on the outskirts of
where he lived said he was verykind and gentle, like he didn't
come across as this personsomething like this later.
Um yeah, but I I think he maybegained a little bit of

(06:12):
confidence when he uh, you know,inherited all that money.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
It said he traveled a lot like he's just starting 14
countries or something like thatwell, he went to a bunch of
countries and he traveled a lotinside australia as well.
He was like just goingeverywhere and he took up
surfing right.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
He was like doing whatever he wanted to do because
that's what he had money right,but I I do, I know you um said
there are more details, thatkind of you know muddy the story
.
But I think it was kind ofinteresting and how helen harvey
that harris died because, ifyes or correctly, he started.

(06:49):
He was basically um receivingmoney because he was unable to
work, because his iq was 66,which is like two standard
deviations below the mean inaustralia to put that into
perspective.
But he started doing, you know,handyman jobs, like yard work.
So he started working on theestate of Helen and her mother

(07:12):
was alive at the time and theyhad something like 50 cats in a
garage.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, they had 44 cats in their garage and 20
something dogs in the house.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Right, and so he first met them when he was like
19.
So he knew her for a long time.
But because he was autistic butnot diagnosed as the time as
being autistic he would doimpulsive things and one of
those was if someone was in thecar with him and he was in the
passenger seat, he would grabthe wheel.
So when Helen died, um, what Isaw was he was actually in the

(07:46):
car with her and the suspicionis he grabbed the wheel and she
went head on to incoming trafficand she died and he was
hospitalized for like sevenmonths because he was in the car
.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
So and you know what he told the police because
there's two dogs in the car aswell.
He was like oh, it was just oneof the dogs came up here and,
like, caused her to get intothis car accident, but he had
actually caused her to get intoa car accident prior to the one
that killed her.
Okay, like.
So this is.
There's like a pattern of himgrabbing the wheel and causing
her like at one point she wentoff into a ditch.
This in this instance, she gotinto a head-on collision and,

(08:18):
like he was seriously injuredand she died, and I think both
the dogs died too.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
But he was like oh, it was the dogs yeah, at what
point do the dogs come in thefront seat and he go in the back
seat?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
no, he, I think I think he was pointing to like
the dogs coming up anddistracting her and he was still
in the passenger seat but likethey, they caused the
distraction that caused her toveer into traffic yeah, I was
just saying I would have put himin the back seat after the
first altercation, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
I'm still stuck on the 66 IQ.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Oh yeah, I mean that is.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
If you know anything about intelligence quotient
that's way down.
He's like the Forrest Gump ofmass shooters, then I mean way
below Forrest Gump.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
He wasn't a bad-looking guy, though, no he
wasn't yeah.
So I think people might havegravitated towards him or, I
don't know, allowed him a littlebit of a longer leash for being
odd, because he wasn't bad tolook at, and maybe that's what
drew helen in in the beginning.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
But I think she was lonely because she had him
living in her house like prettyquick, like he started doing
yard work there and then she waslike move on in, and his
parents were like yeah, that'sfine, move on in there.
It was very odd.
Like the whole situationbetween him and helen was very
strange, right.
So I don't know, I don't knowwhat caused them to get so close
so quickly.
But helen, even before she diedthough, she was spending most

(09:40):
of her money and most of hertime, or all of her time, with
martin, and she was spendingmost of her money on martin too.
Like they were going shopping,they were like they were out and
about constantly I read, theypurchased 30 cars yeah, in like
three years, yeah, you keptwrecking them.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Really like the wheel on this one, helen, yeah it was
crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Like.
This isn't related, but haveyou ever seen the plot to
Stephen King's the Lawnmower man?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Oh yeah, A long time ago Sounds really familiar.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I mean, obviously the enhancement that the guy gets,
and that means Stephen King, butit's the yard worker and you
know it just kind of goes andhe's like way below normal
intelligence quotient.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
And then, just like Sling Blade, Billy Bob Thornton
Well.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Martin's dad bought him all the yard work, like all
the equipment, to go do yardwork, because that was the only
thing that Martin actuallyshowed any interest in.
And then his dad's like, well,you have to make some money
somehow.
So he told him, just go door todoor and offer people to take
care of their yards.
Right, and that's what he did.
That's how he made money.
But I don't think it was reallynecessarily to make money,
because his parents were stillsupporting him and he was

(10:53):
getting his check.
I think it was more like getout of the house and go do
something that a normal humanwould do, because they didn't
know how to deal with him.
They were just just like doingthe best.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Right.
So he was doing theseextracurricular activities while
receiving the disabilitypension and I'd read he'd been
expelled from school.
But what point was the break inyour research?
Where you know they kind offramed it to where you could go
from this Forrest Gump-esquetype of person who was just not

(11:23):
very smart type of person whowas just not very smart but
maybe not capable of doingsomething like murdering 35
people, to framing the story towhere this guy is a murderer and
he premeditated this murder.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
so see, I didn't find that.
That's the thing that I didn'tlike actually find.
Like I found, okay, there was acouple things.
So martin's dad and I can'tremember his name for the life
of me, maurice, yeah.
Maurice.
So he wanted to buy this littlecottage called Seascape, and
Seascape is like a huge point inthis story.
So he wanted to buy thiscottage but he needed to get

(11:56):
some more capital.
So he was like, I'm going tohold off, I'm going to buy this
cottage.
Well, then a couple otherpeople David and Noella, I think
is her name the martins theirlast name is martin, right.
So the martins came in and theywere old people.
They bought.
They bought the seascapeinstead.
I don't think they bought itout from below, out from maurice
.
I think that maurice was likeholding off because he needed to

(12:19):
get more capital.
And then, after that, mauricecommitted suicide, although I'm
not convinced that he, I don'tknow, maybe he committed suicide
, maybe he didn't.
The whole situation behind hisdeath is also very shady, where,
like he was on, he was onantidepressants and he had
transferred all of his funds tohis wife, which is why they're
like, oh, he committed suicide,but I don't know, because he was

(12:41):
living.
After helen died, he went tolive in her mansion with Martin.
So the two of them are livingin the mansion.
Then the neighbor comes over totalk to Maurice and he finds
this note on the doors like callthe police.
I'm like help me, call thepolice.
And so they call the policethis whole time Martin's like
acting totally normal.
But it could just be becausehe's mentally disabled, so like

(13:04):
maybe he didn't know, or likelike the the pieces didn't click
, that he something's wrong likehis dad, something's wrong with
his dad, right?
So this neighbor?
came over and they, they startedsearching the property.
They didn't find him.
So finally they got, like some,some divers, out and they
started looking in the ponds andthey found him in the pond with
like a weighted diving vest onand that was where he was dead.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Got it.
Yeah, the details are a littlemurky for me too about how this
guy is portrayed.
So that's what I found that hewas angry at these two, this
couple that bought that placebecause they thought he believed
it led to his dad's depressionand suicide.
Right, Because he was very ledto his dad's depression and

(13:47):
suicide.
Right, Because he was veryeager to purchase this property.
Um, but the other things in hisbackstory it said he was
expelled from school when he wasreally young.
It said he was bullied a lot,which you know makes sense,
unfortunately.
But it also said that, um, hehad these bouts where he
tortured small animals and Isaid, okay, maybe he did that.
But then he lived with Helen ather estate where there are lots

(14:10):
of animals, and I didn't hearabout him torturing any of them,
not one of those animals.
Add up to me.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
And even like he had this favorite pig and that pig
slept with him in his room everysingle night.
So like I don't know where,like where did you go from like
torturing small animals to likecaring for this older lady and
caring for all of these animalsthat she has, and like taking
decent care of yourself, likeobviously he was taking care of
himself too, because he wasliving there?
Like I think that the officialstory points to and they

(14:40):
actually say and any, anyresearch you find like the
official research, right?
they say well, maurice toldmartin often how he was very
upset that the martins boughtthe seascape out from underneath
, out from under him right butthen, like the martins, it
seemed like when he, when martinbryant, talked about the

(15:01):
martins that bought the seascape, he talked highly of them, he
liked them.
So then it makes you wonder, isthat part just made up?

Speaker 2 (15:12):
It's hard to tell which parts are, but the sum
total of everything that endedup happening you hit it right on
the head was John Howard, whowas the PM at the time, was able
to pass this National FirearmsImplementation Act that led to
unlicensing gun registration andgun buyback.
I think it was something likesix hundred and sixty, yeah,

(15:34):
Sixty thousand.
I want it to be six hundred andsixty six thousand, but it
wasn't.
But there was all this talkbeforehand.
There was one guy who was a NewSouth Wales premier named Barry
Unsworth and he was on quotesaying in the late 80s there
will never be uniform gun lawsin Australia until we see a

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massacre somewhere in Tasmania.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Because Tasmania had the least strict gun laws in
Australia.
Right least strict gun laws inaustralia, right?
So that's the, that's like thestate I don't know if they call
them states or territory that'sthe territory that needed the
massacre to happen, because theyneeded the, the gun laws, to
come from the like, you know, tomake them strict everywhere,
from the least strict territoryright and and where it happened,

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in Port Arthur.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
There's something like only 250 people there.
It's not a big town so it's notlike a densely populated
territory, but it seemed like itwas the holdout.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
It's a tourist attraction.
The Port Arthur Historic Siteis a tourist attraction.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Right and I was reading and I was curious if you
could take it from here thatthere were like some odd
synchronicities that day in PortArthur with things going on.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, do you want me to go over the whole massacre
first, so I can give you abreakdown of all of Martin's
movements before?
The actual massacre.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I think that'd be great.
So let's start there.
So he woke up right to thisalarm at like 6 am and then he
and his girlfriend who I thinkthis girlfriend was planted from
the beginning I don't think,because she's only been with him
for two months and then shecompletely disappears after the
massacre, like gone, and she hassome pretty important things to

(17:27):
say about the bag that hesupposedly packed his guns into,
that he like I've never seenthat bag in my life and she's
like no, I was with him when hebought it.
So anyway, so she's with him.
They have breakfast.
Then she leaves.
He grabs this bag some say it'sblue, some say it's green.
Either way, it's like thesports bag and he puts three
guns into it.
This is the story.
He puts the guns in thebackseat of his Volvo and then
he leaves the house.

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So he apparently was heading toSeascape but he made like a
bunch of stops on the way.
So he first stopped at a gasstation to buy a lighter and
then he leaves that gas station.
Then he goes to a different gasstation and he buys about $15
in gas that he puts into a gascan.
And then he also buys a coffeeand he talks to the employees

(18:11):
there while he's drinking hiscoffee, saying like I'm going to
go surfing, that's where I'mheaded, I'm going surfing.
The employees actually rememberthis conversation with Martin
Bryant being like that's weird,because the ocean's calm, it's
not like a good surf day.
They thought it was odd.
What we'll find is, even inMartin Bryant's story he did
stop and have coffee and talk tothe employees about going

(18:32):
surfing, so that one stop seemsto make sense.
But then allegedly he stoppedone more time at a supermarket
to buy a bottle of tomato sauce.
I don't know why, but he putthat in the backseat with his
guns Right, very odd.
Like they have this wholetimeline where you're like okay,
that's a copy is a catcher inthe rye on the way.

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So then at about 1145, hearrives at seascape.
So he forced his way into thebuilding with his AR 15.
He hit Noleneene there's a name, I thought it was noel, it's
nolene um over the head with thestock of the gun that he had,
and then he gagged david andstabbed him a bunch of times
with not with the obviously hehas this gun.

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He doesn't use the gun, he usesa kitchen knife that he found
and stabs david a bunch and theneventually he kills Nalina as
well.
I don't know how they have itbroken down to like what he did,
because the transcripts of theinterrogation makes no sense,
but that's how they have itgoing.
So while he was there, they saythat a couple of guests actually

(19:40):
showed up to tour the B&B andhe kind of like ignored them at
first and they were like no,like we really want to come in
and see this, this B&B, and seeif we like it.
Then they started to get thislike really weird feeling and
then they left.
I don't know if that couple wasever found, but that's what the
story says, and that was at atabout 1235.

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So then they say that Martininarrived at port arthur at about
1 30 and he parked his yellowvolvo over where the big buses
park.
So that day was a reallybeautiful day.
It was like the end of april,the sun's out, so a lot of
people came to port arthur.

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That day there was a lot ofpeople came to Port.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Arthur, that day there was a lot of people there.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
What day was it, danny?
It was a Sunday.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
April 28th.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
It was actually.
It's International WorkersMemorial Day.
That's the only weird day.
I could find that lined up withthe day, because I always try
to do that.
But yeah, when I heard someonedescribing how pretty the day
was, they said it was abeautiful fall day.
And I go wait a minute, oh yeah.
Yeah, it's fall for them.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
It was a beautiful fall day and I go wait a minute.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
It's fall for them Same month as Columbine.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Same month as Columbine, yeah, and the same
month as Waco and OKC.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yes, it's Lexington and Concord.
You know April 19th.
There's all this loresurrounding April, and TS
Elliott said that April is thecruelest month and there's
something about it, they.
They use it's hitler's birthdaytoo, april 20th huh, that's
very odd.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
I always think of april as being, like this,
beautiful month.
So I don't know, I guess, butit was april 28th, okay.
So martin gets his bag of gunsout of his car and he goes up to
the broad arrow cafe.
Mind you, years prior, I thinkI'm trying to think like two or
three years prior to this he hadbeen banned from the broad

(21:34):
arrow cafe for shooting kidswith a bb gun there.
So like he used to causetrouble around this cafe and
they were like you can't comeback.
So he walks into this cafe withhis bag of guns, with like he's
carrying on his shoulder, and hegrabs some lunch.
He goes outside on the patio,he sits down to have lunch.
He's just sitting there havingconversation, so he looks at

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some of the people that are alsohaving lunch and he says
something about there being alot of wasps around, and so they
didn't know if he was liketalking about like actual wasps
or if that was an acronym forwhite anglo-saxon protestants
but they yeah, apparently that'san acronym, but he also had

(22:18):
mentioned something about howthere weren't very many japanese
tourists that day, so thatthey're like maybe he was
talking about the white peoplebecause he talked about the
Japanese.
I don't, anyway, they have noidea why he made this comment,
but somebody one of the thepeople that was sitting next to
him they were like, yeah, hemade this odd comment, like he
was talking to us.
He was just eating his food.

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He seemed perfectly normal when, when he finished eating, he
picks up his tray, he goes backinto the, into the actual cafe,
he puts his bag of guns on thetable, he pulls out a gun and he
starts shooting people.
So within a matter of 90seconds he murdered 20 people.
He also injured 15 more people.
Then he reloaded his gun andwent and left the building.

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He was like cool, I'm, I'm donehere, I'm going out.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
And these were like precision shots, right?
Not only is it fast, but I meanthis lady named Pauline Hanson,
who's a Queensland Senator, whoI guess fairly recently, like
five years ago, there was avideo on the Guardian of her
being very skeptical of theofficial narrative and that was
one of the things she emphasized.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
these were precision shots, like from professional
well, and he had I mean it's 20headshots and everyone that that
lived that day.
They said that he was shootingfrom the hip, from his right hip
, which is important to knowbecause he's left-handed.
So this left-handed martinbryant is shooting 20 people in
90 seconds.
Headshots from his hip.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
And I noticed that a lot of the people who are
eyewitnesses, who are willing tomake statements about it, said
the person who was the shooterhad long blonde hair, like
Martin did.
But also the face of theshooter was like pot marked and
had acne.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
And many people said that wasn't martin people who
had seen him before well, andthey, they said that the shooter
looks to be like in his like,19 or 20 years old.
Right, one person, one personput the shooter at the oldest 25
.
Well, martin's 29 and he looks29, like the youngest.
You could potentially,potentially say that Martin

(24:24):
looks was like 27.
So the oldest person saying helooks between 20 to 25.
Everybody else saying that helooks to be late teens, early
20s, so 18 to 21 is about theage range that they're putting
the shooter at.
And the only thing that theshooter and Martin Bryan
actually have in common is theblonde hair, and at the time

(24:44):
Martin didn't have long blondehair, he just had blonde hair,
but the pictures that circulateare always of him with longer
hair right.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
And then there's the matter of dna right, so he ate
there.
You know there should be plentyof dna fingerprints at the
crime scene.
Did they recover any?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
no, there's not one, nothing he.
He touched things he's eatenthere, even the shell casings
from.
Obviously he loaded all thesebullets before he got there.
Not, not a single fingerprinton any shell casing.
Literally they found nothing.
The only thing they had was thebag of guns that apparently he
left in the cafe, except he alsocarried it out to his volvo

(25:23):
when he left the cafe.
Left in the cafe, except healso carried it out to his volvo
when he left the cafe.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
So and then he stole a bmw right yeah, so when he
left.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
So he went out to the um, to the parking lot, he
killed four more people andinjured six more people and then
he left in his volvo.
Then he gets to the toll boothwhere he basically there's like
this bmw in his way so he killsall four people that are in that
bmw, pulls them out of the bmwand he steals the bmw and leaves
.
And then they say that he goesto a gas station.

(25:54):
He kind of like cuts off thistoyota corolla inside is like a
guy and his girlfriend.
He goes to the girlfriend'sside, opens the the door and the
guy's like what are you doing,man?
Like leave my girlfriend alone.
Then he brandishes a firearmand gets the guy Greg or Gary,
and puts Gary in the trunk ofthe BMW, like kidnaps Gary and

(26:16):
then leaves.
I think his name's Gregactually I'm getting my names
all mixed up.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
There's a lot up.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
There's a lot.
There's a lot of names, so Gregor Gary, whoever, whatever his
actual name is, I have it in mynotes.
I just can't find it.
It's not all organized how Iwould expect it to be.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
And that was his hostage.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
That was his hostage.
And then after that he takesthe BMW, with Greg in the trunk
of the BMW, back to the seascapeand that's where he like takes
Greg.
I guess he's like shooting atcars as they're passing by and
these cars like pull over, theycall the cops, um, and then he
had that siege at seascape theyhad the siege at seascape Right.

(26:55):
So he's in seascape for like 18hours or something, until the
next morning when they arresthim, because seascape burns to
the ground the next morning.
There's some weird things thathappen at Seascape too.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, go into it, glenn.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
His name was Glenn.
I knew I had it, poor Glenn.
I thought he was Greg or Gary.
I knew it was a G name.
Does that count?

Speaker 1 (27:20):
It counts.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
The BMW catches on fire at some point.
When Martin's interrogatedabout this, he's like I don't
know, I must have caught it onfire.
Everybody else speculates thatlike, oh, I don't know, there's
like gas, like in a gas can.
So maybe that caught on fire,maybe he lit that on fire?
Well, one of the policeofficers that was there.
So, first of all, this policeofficer gets to Seascape,

(27:44):
basically right when MartinBryant pulls up in the BMW.
Mind you, nobody, not one person, has showed up at Port Arthur
where there's an actual massshooting happening.
Nobody's gone there yet, notone police officer, not an
ambulance.
There's actually one of thevictims or, like one of the
spectators.
She wasn't a spectator of this,she was just like there.

(28:07):
She was just like there, shewas just a tourist, she was a
nurse.
So she goes in and she startsadministering whatever she can.
Some people are dead.
So she's like I can't deal withthose people, these people that
are injured.
I'm going to try to keep themalive.
So she's the only one, her andone other person that's helping
her.
They're alone at Port Arthurfor like six hours before
anybody shows up.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, the cops were somewhere else, right?
Well, the cops had been calledto the other side of the island
right before the shootingstarted Like they called in that
they were there, which isbizarre, and I was thinking, oh,
it's 96.
They probably didn't have cellphones, so they had to use a
landline and call in that theyhad arrived.
They were 50 kilometers away.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Well, they had been called away because apparently
they got this tip that there waslike a heroin house on the
other side of the island.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
They got there and turns out it was just soap right
like powder.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, it was all fake , so it was like set up and then
all the um officials, all thethe owners and the managers and
all the official people of portarthur happened to be away that
weekend like on some leadershipretreat or something.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
It was the first one for the senior senior leaders of
Port Arthur that they weresomething like two hours away
and it started at one or one 30,like right when?

Speaker 3 (29:20):
yeah, right when the shooting started and the there
was like a trauma seminar thatwas happening at the local
hospital that got out right whenthe shooting started.
So, like it's like they wereready.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
And then they have this morgue truck, this morgue
truck that was built, purposebuilt right before this massacre
and they said it was built fora massacre and held 22 bodies
and this is a place again around250 people and they purchased
it right before and I think thatat the trauma center, the hot
spittle, where that clinic orwhatever was going on, they had

(29:54):
just implemented a new emergencytrauma policy called Code
Ground two days before,literally two days prior.
Yeah, so all of this is weirdstuff.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, and they had these helicopters that were
available.
I guess the helicopters weren'ttypically available throughout
the day, but they hadhelicopters and pilots just on
standby that day.
It's like very weird.
So the thought is that somebody, like one of these helicopters,
brought this police officer outto seascape to be there
basically right when the siegewas supposed to start, which,

(30:26):
like, how would they have knownthat they needed to get there
right when the siege wassupposed to start?
Which, like, how would theyhave known that they needed to
get there?
Because the people like martinwas said to be shooting at cars
passing by right before he wentin to seascape.
So, yes, they went and calledthe police, the police came no
cops.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Right, there's no cops.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
That's what I didn't understand drive from um, from
like the local police station,43 minutes to get to seascape
and he shows up right on timethis was kind of the missing
piece.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
When I was doing quick research to prepare for
the episode.
I couldn't compute why thissergeant bob fielding was
already there and how they knewhow to come to seascape if the
cops weren't there.
And it just all was verystrange and I was curious if
they set the set the house onfire curious if they set the
house on fire.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I think they set the house on fire.
They for sure set the BMW onfire because he says that he
threw a phosphorus grenade andthat's what set the BMW on fire.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Like after the fact, later on, after the official
stories come out, they're likeno, like I threw a grenade,
that's what set it on fire.
But what doesn't make sense isthe timing, because he shows up
at like 150, 155 ish andbasically throws a grenade right
away.
So, like you, don't even havetime to assess the situation or
find out what's happening orwho's if there's a hostage.
You don't know.
If there's a hostage, you don'tknow what's happening.

(31:37):
You just got there and threw agrenade and then three more guys
got there before 2 pm yeah, youdon't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
You don't know if the martins are still inside, the
owners or any of that.
And I think he was on record,sergeant bob fielding, saying at
the end of the day, I'msatisfied we made the right
decision to forcing him to cometo us.
So that's why I thought thatokay, they set the house on fire
oh yeah um, but what do youthink of all this, tony?

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I just keep getting hung up on the synchronicities
of April.
I went and looked at other massshootings while you guys were
talking.
I wanted to try to place theSouth Korean mass shooter.
Sure enough, it's April 16,2007.
It's Shang-Hoo Cho.
That's so weird.
You guys remember that?

(32:26):
Virginia Tech 32 people.
Oh, and Boston bombing, wasthat in?

Speaker 3 (32:34):
April.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
April 15th.
It was well, the Boston bombing, but that's a whole other, and
you should.
I don't know if you've donethat already.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
I haven't done it, but I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
It's on my list If you're going to do first of all,
if you've done that already.
I haven't done it, but I'mgoing to.
It's on my list If you, ifyou're going to do first of all,
if you're going to do Bostonbombing and I can make the
introduction talk to my friendCharlie Robinson.
He put it in his book theoctopus of global control.
There's a whole lot of.
There's a rabbit hole inside arabbit hole, because it's oh,
and I believe it was 2013, andit was supposed to be a

(33:07):
right-wing tax revolt, kind offalse flaggy thing, and then it
turned into the Sarnev brothersand all this stuff.
That's just.
It's a deep rabbit hole, butagain April, so it just keeps
showing up.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, that's really odd.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
There's something about the overlay of April with
all of this stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Well, I mean, if you think about the months, I think
the way the Bible has it set up,or the way the months are
supposed to work, either Marchor April.
One of those two I can'tremember.
I think it's April.
It's supposed to actually bethe first month, not the fourth
month.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
That's interesting.
Well, there's only supposed tobe.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
I mean originally the calendar was ten months.
That's why December is Deca andNovember is nine and October is
Oct.
For eight they added July andAugust are for the Roman
emperors Julius Caesar andCaesar Augustus.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
So I covered that 13 month episode, because I was
like like 13 month calendar,because that makes sense for 13
months and for 10 months.
So I don't know it goesdifferent it's.
It's really weird, but april'ssupposed to be like new
beginnings, like you think about, like spring, like like a fresh
start.
It's supposed to be like newbeginnings and instead we have

(34:29):
all these mass massacres.
So it's very odd.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
But before I cut you off, though you said, it gets
weirder, danny Oh- it getsweirder.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Keep getting into the weird yeah Okay.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
So we're at Seascape, right, there's a siege at
Seascape.
Well, then enters this guynamed Jamie.
So Jamie is what they?
They basically are paintingthis character, jamie, as being
Martin Bryant, held up in theseascape, trying to convince the
officials that his name isJamie to like, throw them off

(34:59):
his scent.
That's who Jamie is?
I don't think Jamie.
I don't think Martin.
Okay, first of all, bryant wasnever even close to the seascape
that day.
I don't know how they got himthere to arrest him, but I, he
wasn't there.
Jamie, from everything that Ifound, what jamie knew, jamie
was another officer and hethought they were doing this
like counter-terrorism exercise.

(35:20):
So he was supposed to be theterrorist inside the building
and all the cops, from what heunderstood, all the cops on the
outside were running an exerciseon how to deal with a situation
like this, but he had beengiven a script.
So when we ask you this, yousay this.
When we talk to you about thisthing, you, you say this thing.
So at one point they're likehey, man, what is your passport

(35:42):
number?
And jamie gives him thepassport number of martin bryant
, like, or the different part.
He's like oh, I have this, um,I have this knife in here, the
same knife that killed brianmartin, and that knife later was
said to be found actually inthe other bag at the broad arrow

(36:03):
cafe.
So like things aren't adding upabout the things that Jamie is
saying, yeah, so what was thisinterview process?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
That's what I was a little hazy on.
Like this Jamie was talking andthe Sergeant was asking him how
he was doing and he was like,oh, it's great, it's like I'm on
a Hawaiian holiday.
And the Sergeant was like Idon't know what you mean by that
, like it was not on script, andhe said I don't know myself.
Yeah, it just kept gettingbizarre and I didn't understand

(36:33):
what this exactly was.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
So in my research or in my episodes I didn't go deep
into like each time he called,but Jamie kept calling the
sergeant outside.
Like he kept like he picked upthe phone and was calling him
outside and you're like, firstof all, jamie, how did you have
that sergeant's phone number?
Secondly, like they're goingback and forth talking about
like all kinds of crazy things,where you're like none of this

(36:57):
has anything to do with theactual siege or the massacre
right.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
That's why I was confused.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, like okay.
So the sergeant never even asksJamie, like, what's going on?
Do you have a hostage in there?
Like, why did you?
Why are you here?
Why are you held up at theseascape?
At one point they do kind ofmention Port Arthur and Jamie

(37:28):
was like what happened at PortArthur?
He's like, oh, a bunch ofpeople are hurt real bad, and
he's like, are they dead?
He was yeah, and he's like, oh,I didn't do that, that wasn't
me.
So, like it in on it.
Like it sounds as if jamie hasno idea what happened at port
arthur, like no idea at allright and he's playing it off
very well if he does just basedI.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I listened to some of it and there was like one
interaction where jamie wastelling the sergeant like one of
your boys is outside with aninfrared scope.
He's going to shoot the mainman.
And I was just like what in theworld?
And then they mentioned thatduring this conversation the
sergeant coughs like 20 times.
But some people actually didsome analysis of those audio

(38:03):
captures and said that thatsounds like gunfire.
Actually it doesn't sound likecoughing.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
So I was completely befuddled by what this this
whole thing was well, and atsome point, like you have jamie
on the phone with the sergeant,you can hear gunfire in the
background and he's like oh,that's rick.
Like who's rick?
Where did that guy come from?
And then Rick was never broughtup again and nobody asks about

(38:30):
Rick and nobody talks about him.
And Jamie just said it oh,that's Rick.
And then that's it, like that'sthe end of the conversation.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Right.
So they really didn't dig intothis very much because, from how
I understood it, martin Bryantwas held in solitary confinement
for five months.
He had one initial lawyer.
He claimed he was not guilty ofthe 72 charges.
Then they changed his lawyerand a few weeks after that he

(38:58):
was guilty and the last time hewas seen on camera he had this
long blonde hair becauseapparently the Australian media
broke a lot of law.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Oh, yeah, can we talk about that for a second?
Yeah, go for it.
Okay.
So you have these eyewitnesses,you have all these people that
saw martin bryant at the broadarrow cafe the day of the
massacre.
A lot of these people are stillin the hospital and it was like
two days after the massacrethey had not been able to give
their statement to the policeyet because they were in the

(39:28):
hospital.
They were recovering from theirinjuries.
Well, the local newspaper posteda picture on the front page of
the newspaper of Martin Bryant.
They're like this is the guythat did it and published this
guy's picture and so, which iscompletely illegal they're not
allowed to publish untileverybody's been talked to
because it can change eyewitnessaccounts, and in fact it did
for one lady.

(39:48):
So not one person saw martinbryant and was like that's the
guy that did it.
Actually, everybody said no,the guy didn't look like that at
all, so you don't have anyeyewitnesses, two of which lived
there and knew martin bryantpersonally.
They were like yeah, it was notmartin bryant.
We had this one lady and shesaw the photo lineup and she's
like I don't know if that's theguy that did it because she was

(40:10):
pointing at the picture ofMartin Bryant.
I don't know if he's the guythat did it, but he was for sure
wearing that shirt.
Well, the picture in the photolineup that the police were
using was the exact same picturethat the newspaper had
published just a couple weeksbefore.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Right, and it was like a simulated photo lineup.
Yeah before, right, and it waslike a simulated photo lineup
like 30 different people.
But what I found odd is hishair was long.
He does his last TV appearanceand then, after he says guilty,
so they issue that, they shavehis head, they give him a crew
cut, right, so they changed hisappearance.
They could have cut his hair atany time, so they were

(40:44):
knowingly trying to implicatehim with the hair and, yeah, it
was just odd.
And the other thing I feltreally odd and I'd like to know
your thoughts on is there wasthis idea that there should have
been a coronial inquiry, likethey should have done, like a
deep, deep dive investigationinto this, and a lot of the
victims wanted them to, becauseit's required by law, yeah, and

(41:05):
they ended up not doing it wellthey, it was like open and shut
so quickly.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
I think he was on trial for like two or three
weeks, like, but because he pledguilty, which he didn't want to
, like you said he wanted toplead not guilty, but he was
convinced by his court-appointedlawyer to plead guilty.
Then that was it.
Like that was the end, so theydidn't do any deep dives into it
.
It was like, well, he said he'sguilty and they just took it at
that, like they didn't even try, right so.

(41:32):
But yeah, like a lot of thevictims and the families,
they're like no, something isweird about this, like we should
dig deeper, and at every turnthey were shut down.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Right and his, his mother, carlene Bryan, I think,
even as recently as 2011,.
She went on some some programand again urged that or insisted
that he was innocent, but theyreally never looked into it.
For they're ready to pin it onhim and as soon as they could
again.
It took five months of solitaryconfinement, I guess, to get

(42:05):
him to break of solitaryconfinement, um, I guess to get
him to break.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
I don't know if jolly west the psychiatrist he's,
since, I don't know, I don'tthink he went down there, but
maybe his cousin did.
I have some information aboutabout that part, though, so you
have this interrogation.
so his interrogation like his,they only did one like official
interrogation of mart of MartinBryant and that was on July 4th.
So it took what?
Two months to get thisinterrogation.

(42:33):
During this time the recordingequipment kept malfunctioning so
it wasn't recording and thingswere like bits and pieces were
placed together At the end itwasn't like one full
transcription of the actualinterrogation, it was all bits
and pieces and there a lot ofthe information that we needed

(42:53):
from martin bryant, like thereally critical stuff, was
either inaudible or it's justsaid that he said like that's
his whole answer.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
you're like wait a second.
That's not an answer.
Yeah, they're never curiousabout motivations with these
things right?
Well, they never found amotivation yeah, because they
never really look.
No, I mean it, it just seemsall too perfect.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Steven paddock yeah right, paddock las vegas well,
why?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
well, we don't know.
So we're moving on.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
And then, oh, case closed, he did it.
So we're moving on.
And then, oh, case closed, hedid it.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
It's all too weird Again even that there was a guy
named Roland Brown who was Ithink he was leader of the
Coalition for Gun Control.
He was on record in saying ofMarch of 96.
I wrote this down AllAustralians are warned that if
the Tasmanian government doesn'timplement proper firearm laws
that a massacre of monumental,monumental proportions will

(43:49):
occur.
How do you explain these things?

Speaker 3 (43:52):
right well, in the fact that, like initially they
were, they were reporting thatone of the guns that he was
using wasn't actually legal intasmania, and so then, like a
couple days, they actuallychanged which guns were used in
the massacre.
So that way, both the guns thatthey said that he used were
legal in the state or theterritory.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
What were they?
What did they say?

Speaker 3 (44:14):
he used One was an AR-15 and the other one was a
.308.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Okay, so rifle.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Yeah, they're both rifles.
I'm trying to get down here tomy yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
So at first it was a colt ar semi-automatic ar-15 and
then the other one was abelgian fn fal semi-automatic
308 self-loading rifle yeah, Imean just taking out 20 people
in the matter of a minute and ahalf in a cafe and gift shop
with headshots is just, but thenthey asked him during his

(44:51):
interrogation.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
They're like okay, how did you shoot these people?
So they got him on technicalityat first.
So at first he thought that hewas there during the
interrogation, he thought thathe was there for one murder.
And they're like what did youdo with this guy?
And he was like like he kind ofmade up a story with the
information that they gave him.
He was like, oh, I took him fromthe BMW and I put him in, like
he, he said that the BMW wasthis guy's car and he put him in

(45:13):
the trunk of the BMW and thenbasically like, beat him later,
but he never killed him, henever said he killed him.
And then later on they're likewell, what about all these other
people?
And he was like oh, oh, Ididn't do that, I would never
hurt somebody.
They're like well, you justtold us that you hurt this one
guy who you kidnapped.
And he was like, okay, well, Iguess I did hurt all those
people, right.
So they kind of got him on thistechnicality where he was like

(45:35):
I don't, I'm backed into thiscorner.
I guess I did it.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
But again iq of 66 right, he's, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
So he doesn't really know, like he just is believing
they wouldn't lie to him.
They're the officials, they'rethe authorities.
Well, they ask him Martin, howdid you kill everybody If you
had a rifle, how did you do it?
So he picks up this pretendrifle, this imaginary rifle, and
he holds it up to his leftshoulder because he's
left-handed and he pretends toshoot.
Martin Bryant has never, ever,he says.

(46:04):
He claims he's never shot a gunfrom his hip in his entire life
.
This guy's left-handed.
The shooter, by all accounts,has shot all these people from
his hip, right-handed.
So like what?
It doesn't make any sense, Likeliterally none of it makes any

(46:24):
sense.
They never found any DNAevidence.
The yellow Volvo because it wasleft out overnight with the
windows open, so apparentlythere was no DNA in that car
either, which was apparentlyMartin Bryant's daily driver.
You think that they would findany kind of DNA or a fingerprint
or something.
It didn't find anything.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
That's what doesn't make sense to me.
I mean, you can't even findfingerprints or dna at the cafe
where he anywhere, supposedlyate, not at seascape, which
seascape was burned to theground.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
But then, okay, so seascape's burned to the ground
and they say they found.
They found his guns in an outbuilding.
How does that make any sense?
You're telling me that he'sheld up in seascape with his
guns, with a hostage, but thenyou find his guns in an
outbuilding after Seascape burnsdown.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah, and then not too long after all these gun
laws pass in Australia.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Right, I was about to say.
The thing to remember here isthe aftermath.
Everything that happenedafterwards points to the
strangeness of all these events.
They needed a catalyst and Ikept thinking while you were
talking about.
You know about PNAC, theProject for a New American
Century.
You know all these forewarningsand other things.

(47:37):
Like you know, pnac wasSeptember 2000, saying they
needed a Pearl Harbor, a newPearl Harbor, a Pearl Harbor
style event in order toimplement, you know, the rogue
state rollback and all the sevencountries in five years, all
the stuff that you would seepost 9-11 in America for the

(47:58):
American foreign policy and guncontrol is no different.
You need a catalyst and thatwas a.
That was a huge, pivotal eventis no different.
You need a catalyst and thatwas a huge, pivotal event.
I remember watching as ateenager this is late 90s
watching all the guns beingdestroyed.
These firearms have been infamilies for generations and

(48:20):
after these gun laws were passedbecause, like hey, we got to
protect the children.
You see, are you a monster?
Do you support mass shootings?
You know that was the mindsetin Australia.
Just, you know, it was thefirst to go.
It was like a test subject.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Well, because they pointed Sorry, I didn't mean to
interrupt, they pointed to thisand I'm trying to get to it in
my notes they pointed to themassacre that happened right
before the Port Arthur massacre.
It happened in Scotland, Ibelieve.
Sorry, I'm just trying to findit in my notes here.
Okay, here it is.
So March 13th 1996, so aboutfive weeks before Port Arthur

(48:57):
there was a massacre at Dunblane, which is in Stirling, scotland
.
So this is like a primaryschool where a 30 or a 43 year
old man walked in, killed 16students and a teacher, kind of
like Sandy Hook right.
And then after that the gunlaws changed in the UK and that
was the last massacre in the UKbecause the gun laws changed

(49:19):
there.
Well, what?
Just five weeks later now wehave this massacre in Australia
and the gun laws changed there.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
So Right, and the thing that keeps bugging me when
I think about it are all thecoincidences.
Again, this is a very smallcommunity.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
And then the first time they have an offsite
workshop for senior port staffofficials is the same day.
It coincides with the same timethis happens.
It just it reminds me of theMurrah building, yeah Right, I
mean.
So they knew to get people outof there beforehand, that they
didn't want to be adverselyimpacted by what was going to

(49:57):
happen and that that just alwaysto me it indicates some
foreknowledge of what's going tohappen and who's actually on
the strings.
So it doesn't make any sense,and we were discussing this
offline before the show started.
But I was just curious if hewas on anything for the mental
deficiencies he had, the autismwhich wasn't diagnosed at the

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time, but I couldn't find anymedications he was on.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
So I couldn't find any either.
And, like you said earlier,like I couldn't find any, I
couldn't find like a breakingpoint.
I couldn't find any either.
And and, like you said earlier,like I couldn't find any, I
couldn't find like a breakingpoint I couldn't find.
And, honestly, like in allaccounts, like his life was
actually turning around.
Because now he has thisgirlfriend, apparently, and
she's been with him for twomonths, like obviously she's
been with him enough and they'vespent enough time together that
she spends the night at hishouse and knows if he uses an

(50:44):
alarm in the morning or not, andgave like witness, like
evidence, eyewitness, accountsof him buying this bag, right,
um, so he's got this, thisgirlfriend.
He's got.
He's got this new sport.
He started taking up surfingand he was really enjoying that.
He kind of had this routine inhis life.
He wasn't that mean of a guy,he was just like living his life

(51:05):
, just doing his thing.
It wasn't like there was nomotive, there was no breaking
point.
I didn't find any medication.
By all accounts, his life wasactually turning around and was
going up.
So you think, like if this is apremeditated massacre, why
would he not stop it?
Because his life is now lookingbetter?

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Right.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I don't know.
The story doesn't make senseeither with the, you know,
painting a picture of him liketorturing animals and
associating him with a serialkiller behavior.
Or yeah, psychopathy, right,don't stop doing that.
No, if you're surrounded byanimals like the, psychopathy

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doesn't get better, like it justcontinues, like there's more
depravity it's degenerative.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
And that's that's really what gave me pause,
because I was like okay, I canaccept that he's a kid, he has
these psychopathic tendencies.
Okay, he's at this largeststate, surrounded by animals.
What happened?

Speaker 3 (52:01):
and it was nothing well and like they have him like
being mean to all of his peersand like bullying his peers, and
then he moves in with helen andhim and helen are just like
best buds, like yeah, okay, he'sgrabbed her steering wheel and
he's you know.
So he's having these outbursts,but it wasn't necessarily to
kill her.
I don't think he was likenecessarily trying to kill her.

(52:22):
I think that he just hadoutbursts because he was
autistic.
But like outside of the carthey were going places, they
were doing things, they wereseen all over the place.
They went to port arthur a lot.
They went shopping a lot.
They did all these differentthings together, totally normal,
like he was living a normaldecent life with a person like

(52:42):
he was having a goodrelationship with.
I don't know if it was like Idon't know either.
A sexual relationship?
I don't know any of that.
He was like 54.
And he was 19.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Like I said, he wasn't a bad looking guy either
he's just IQ of 66.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
But their relationship was normal.
He had a normal relationshipwith his mom and his dad.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
And his parents took good care of him, so like he has
normal relationships in hislife.
Yeah, I heard a psychoanalystkind of say that's something you
typically look for is they hadestranged relationships with
their parents or came from abroken home, but he didn't.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
He didn't, and his parents like both loved him and
his mom, so his mom was at thepolice station the whole time
that this siege was going on andyou have have this Jamie
character calling the sergeantand not one time did they have
his mom like listen in to makesure that that voice was her
son's voice.
Not one time did they put hismom on the phone to talk him off
the ledge to get him out of theseascape.

(53:41):
Like they have all these weirdthings where you're like what
the heck?
Or like like the girlfriend.
The girlfriend went to him atSeascape during the siege and I
mean she didn't help, she wasjust there.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Right, it was odd.
I mean she came when heinherited all this money and he
was apparently dressing flashyto a point where it was absurd.
But again, he wouldn't knowthat if he was on the spectrum
to the point where he's likemildly retarded, you know what I
mean almost.
Um, he was dressing like flashyand like electric blue and had
these weird I don't know what heliked yeah it's just what he

(54:16):
liked.
You mean you think of likesomebody who has the
intellectual capacity is like achild, basically, right, um, I
remember that scene in big daddywhen remember how to say what
allows them to dress themselveslike that's how you want to
dress.
Okay, right, but it didn't addup.
But if I was playing devil'sadvocate I would say, okay, if
he was a patsy and he was set up, why would they pick him?

(54:38):
I mean, is he just kind of the?
Uh, the outcast yeah, I don'tknow.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I think that they, I think they like, because he had
a disability check and he had tobe.
He was checking in regularly,he was getting re-evaluate,
re-evaluated regularly.
I think they had probably alist of people that were on that
were kind of in the samesituation.
Right, these mentallyhandicapped people that they
could use any of them who makesthe most sense, who has the

(55:09):
history that we can use the best?
Well, now you have maurice, whowas gonna buy the seascape but
then didn't and then eventuallycommitted suicide.
Apparently.
Right, you have all these.
Uh, helen has died.
Now you have all thesedifferent things in his life
where you're like, well, youcould point to this or you could
point to that, maybe we couldreally use this.
He, he had familiarity withport arthur, so like, okay, cool

(55:30):
, that's gonna work out for us.
Whereas like, just, maybe theother people didn't, maybe other
people didn't weren't asindependent as martin bryant was
I, I mean the whole seascapething.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
It's just a very at best flimsy theory oh maybe it
makes more sense if you'retalking about someone again who
who has a very low IQ.
It making sense to them, butdoes not make much sense to me
at all.
No, no To orchestrate thiswhole thing, and then again the
body count 35, and then, I think, including himself, 24 others

(55:59):
injured, one person whoseneighbors didn't even know he
owned guns because I guess hewasn't target practicing or
doing any of that sort of stuff.
It just, it doesn't add up tome.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
It doesn't add up.
Literally nothing about itmakes any sense, like even if
you try, you try to put theofficial story together and
you're like wait a second, whydid he stop so many times at all
these different gas stations?
So in Martin's account of theday he's like yeah, I woke up,
not to an alarm, I just woke upand I had breakfast.

(56:32):
I left.
I went to this one gas stationwhich I didn't get coffee at the
gas station part.
I got coffee at the cafe partand I stood there.
I talked to the employees, toldthem I was going surfing, and
then I went surfing on the otherside of the peninsula, then
port arthur, and I saw a coupleother people that were there.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
They were body surfing and then I went into
this other town and had lunchyeah so, like his accounts are
completely different, I don'tit's a very leisurely day for
planning to murder a bunch ofpeople right, and then yeah, and
then he's supposed to go kill abunch of people yeah, I don't
know.
So where is he now?

(57:10):
Do you know?
Is he still?
He's still in solitary is he insolitary or?

Speaker 3 (57:15):
I don't know 100.
I'm trying to look at my.
Um.
No, he's in a maximum securityprison.
I don't think he's in solitaryanymore.
So he let's see.
Um he uh, in 2006 he moved to amental health facility because
he is mentally handicapped and,honestly, probably being in a

(57:37):
regular prison was never a goodspot for him.
Um, he did try to take his lifetwice while being incarcerated,
but neither time was hesuccessful.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
And then now he's in the maximum security riz rizdan
prison near hobart okay which iswhere he's originally from is
he like timothy mcveigh, wherehe's never given a, an?

Speaker 3 (57:59):
uh, an actual video interview yeah, like he's, just
I mean he's.
He's not intelligent enough tohave that conversation with
somebody or to like, like,recall enough.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (58:13):
like john hinkley yeah, yeah who's now doing
youtube videos and planningmaking music.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah, some music for the people but yeah, I mean
basically he's never talkedsince then.
The girlfriend never came outand talked about it.
The mom is still she's stilllike advocating for his yeah,
his innocence, but likenothing's ever come to that and

(58:39):
basically everyone's like yeah,I mean, that's what the police
said, so that's what happened,and now we don't have guns the
other thing I um heard and uhwhile looking into this is you
know, homicide was on thedecline for a long time, even
before they passed this over.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
You know, this overhaul on gun legislation, the
National FirearmsImplementation Act, I mean it's
continued to decrease a littlebit, but it's just.
It's just crazy to me inhindsight with regard to how so
many people over there weretreated during COVID.
In hindsight, with regard tohow so many people over there
were treated during covid, yeah,I wonder how many people

(59:18):
thought I wish I had my guns.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
You know 660 000 guns that were confiscated and in
the first couple months, likepretty quick, they got that many
guns.
People just gave them up.
Yeah, because I mean, peopleare scared, so that's what
happens.
Right, we see that over andover and over.
We saw that with covid, we sawwith 9-11.
We see that over and over.
Where we're like people arescared, they're gonna give away
their rights, that's whathappens.
So, and yeah, I mean, withinwithin weeks of the massacre,

(59:43):
you have all these critical gunsafety legislation happening by
john howard.
Um, so now like and I'm prettysure these are still, because I
looked it up these, these gunlaws are still in place now.
So like you can get guns, youjust have to have a legit reason
to get them and self-defensethey've decided that's not a

(01:00:05):
legit reason to get a gun.
You have to have like a reasonthat's not self-defense.
So like you're gonna go huntingor you're a police officer I
don't know what is a legitreason, honestly, like black
powder?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I have no idea.
But yeah, it's like thebenjamin franklin quote.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Everyone knows right yeah, it's just crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Everything about it, everything about it just in case
everybody doesn't know no, gofor it, sorry those who trade uh
a little bit security forliberty.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Deserve neither right right, right, something like
that yep, yeah, he was a smartguy, that benjamin franklin, and
maybe a serial killer, maybe,maybe so the hellfire club, look
into, look into DonaldJeffrey's work, ladies and gents
, look at Hidden History.
People buried in his backyard.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I mean, I did an episode like that about Bob Ross
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
You know, Bob Ross is a serial killer and his
paintings show you where thebodies are hidden.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Oh, I didn't know this one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Can we go another hour?
We'll have to do another one,that's I've done some crazy ones
this is a quiet tree.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
It'll make the audience go find danny go find
danny.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
She's under.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
She has her own happy little trees over there I got
so much shit for that episodebecause people are like, oh, I
love bob ross, you're ruining mychildhood.
I'm like, then don't listen.
I'm sorry, this is just theconspiracy about it.
You don't have to believe it.
It could be, mr rogers was mrrogers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Was he really, uh uh, the greatest sniper in all
marine corps histories?
I've heard that when I wasgrowing up, mr rogers, he wore
those sweaters because he hadlike like death tattoos all up
and down his arms, all thatstuff he's too happy to not be
like that because Bob Ross wasin the Air Force.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
You know it's like I don't know.
People get out of the military.
They do weird things.
I mean, I started a podcast.
You started a podcast.
You got into the gold businessbefore, but anyway, I'm even
weirder.
Yeah, I know, I, but anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
I'm even weirder.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Yeah, I know I don't know what to do, so I'm going to
paint happy little trees nowthat I'm out of the military.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
And Bob Ross could hide the murder weapon in his
fro.
You know, a knife You'd neverlook, he's the first one to use
the comb.
It was just a knife, though youruined Bob Ross for me.
Yeah well, you'll never look athis name.
I'll have to look into thatthough I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
I'm gonna give you my honest opinion about that.
I don't think it's true.
I think that there was.
So basically they point to likeone of his paintings looking
similar to this national parkwhere five bodies were found and
they were like yo look, bobross did it, and then they
created this whole conspiracytheory.
I don't think it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I think that it was just convenient.
Portrait of dorian gray.
You know oscar wilde and he'spainting the picture and it's
like bob ross is responsible forthe missing 411 yeah, 411 or
whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Oh, that's a whole nother conspiracy we can get
into, because like what likewhere are those people going?
All these people of germandescent, you know, and they find
their shoes and their, theirclothes folded next to bodies of
water yeah, you know it's soall through national parks like
miles away from their, liketheir shoes will be over here
all put together and then milesaway they're like they've got

(01:03:26):
their bag and then miles furtherthan that, you're like what the
heck like?

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
or like children happy little trees that have
wandered for like miles and likeknee-deep snow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
You're like what the heck like, or like children,
happy little trees that havewandered for like miles and like
knee-deep snow.
You're like that child's deadbizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's 411 yeah, you can't say 411, then
you get.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
No, it's 411 it's crazy the smiley face killers is
another one, that's oh, that'sa good one too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Yeah, that's more like a true crime, so I haven't
done, ramsay, I haven't done.
Yeah, william ramsay wrote abook on william ramsay, on the
the smiley face killers yeah, Ilistened to that on a different
podcast, like I, just I haven'tbeen a part of it, I just
listened to it.
There's so many goodconspiracies out there like it's
alex jones, because it's austinI got taylor swift coming out

(01:04:13):
this week no we'll see whathappens with that like a concert
no, no, no, like a conspiracy,oh it's like, whether you like
Taylor Swift, you gotta do somewitchcraft with her right.
I got a conspiracy theoryepisode coming out about Taylor
Swift.
You know the Swifties are gonnabe on me.
They're gonna be like she's nota daughter of the devil and

(01:04:35):
you're like, well, maybe I don'tknow I mean I don't know for
sure, but she might worship thedevil.
At the very least she worshipshim.
She might be the son of thechurch of Satan's or the
daughter of the church of SatanPastor.
Well, that would make sense.

(01:04:57):
Yeah, I mean lady gaga wastrained in the arts.
It's weird, it's.
There's some really weirdthings that you're like, wait a
second.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I mean there's a lot of conspiracies, even like the
swifties come up with taylorswift conspiracies, but like
there's some weird stuff outthere about her well, the music
one has always struck me as odd,because you always hear about,
you know in the music mythologyabout people selling their soul
to the devil to acquire someabilities.
Like you know, robert johnsonis one, the old blues player
yeah, but I did an episode onthe 27 club yep, yeah, you look

(01:05:23):
at um.
If you look at lucifer, he was acherub, like that was.
His function in heaven was tocontrol the choir and the music.
So yeah, presumably besomething he was good at and he
could offer people.
So I just find it odd it it'salways referring to music.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
I mean nothing else.
To be fair to me, to be reallyfair, the devil's solo, the
devil's solo in that charliedaniel song is actually a little
bit better.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
I agree with that, actually, but okay, but you have
to think that the devil had awhole band of demons join in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
They sounded something like this.
They sounded something likethis the solo was better.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Was the solo better.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Or did he just have a whole?

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
band to really back him up and set him up?
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
I don't think.
Well, it's the lyrics inCharlie's deal that always kind
of go.
You know it's chicken in thebread house picking out dough.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
I don't even know what that means.
I told you once, you son of a.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
And this is just turned into karaoke.
I know I love that song.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
I memorized all the lyrics to that song.
My mom is a good mom, but sheallowed me to listen to that
when I was like five or six.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
I love that song.
I feel like we used to haveSundays where we just listened
to music.
My dad's like, well, thissong's connected to this song
and then connected to this song,and then we go down this weird
rabbit hole of songs and I havea very vast knowledge of music
now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
I saw this meme the other day and it's this guy
standing at the crossroads andthere's this like Baphomet, big,
you know goat headed figure,and I get you know he's
bargaining for the soul.
And it's like, look, and he'stalking to this kid and he's
like you're going to get aPorsche 911.
And the kid says, yeah, but Igot, I gotta die at 27.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
I don't know, man, it's like it's amazing how many
people have died at 27 like howmany artists.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
That's a whole other.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
I went down the rabbit hole in that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Joplin today.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Jimiendrix, janice, joplin, kirk.
Jim jim morrison's father, thedoors.
Jim morrison's father was uhcommanded the boat at the gulf
of tonkin, you know oh, the gulfof tonkin.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
That was my very first episode oh, really yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Gulf of tonkin incident.
And then you know that was jimmorrison's dad that commanded
the boat.
So then you know, when youthink of vietnam it's like break
on through to the other side,all that stuff.
And now we're doing realkaraoke.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
And not to continue to go off track, but tying into
music a little bit Laurel Canyon, all that.
That new documentary Chaos cameout on Netflix.
That's pretty good.
I read the book.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Oh, ok, I read the book.
Is it all about the book?
Is it like?
No, it's not no, I read thebook and then I actually I gave
it away to one of my patron,like patreon subscribers, so
that was kind of cool, like Ifinished it and then I signed,
like I wrote them a little notein there and I gave it away as
like a gift the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
The documentary is more like tom o'neill.
He's in it quite a bit, butmaybe arguing his viewpoint
versus the mainstream helterSkelter viewpoint.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Helter Skelter was completely made up and honestly,
I'm not convinced that CharlesManson was even like he might
have been part of this.
But let's be honest, this isall MKUltra.
This is a CIA setup.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Well, Jolly, he was meeting Jolly West every year in
San Francisco while violatinghis parole after being released
in prison because he wasn'tsupposed to be in San Francisco
every week.
The same guy that met Jack Rubyand then an hour later said
he's insane yeah, I mean JollyWest also met with Tim McVeigh.
I didn't remember that yeahyeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
I'm pretty sure I think that I I think that
charles manson was introduced tomk ultra while he was in
whatever prison you know,because he was in and out of
prison and juvenile detention,all these.
He was introduced to mk ultravery young and they're like this
guy he's gonna work.
So then yeah, but the the freeclinic that they were going to

(01:09:30):
right the whole thing.
I mean, those girls were likepossessed.
They were like, yes, they weregoing to right, the whole thing
reeks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
I mean, those girls were like possessed, they were
like yes, they were just voidedout.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Um, and then the fact that the crime scene, like you
could see, that, like peoplewere moved, like the, the bodies
had been moved the weird thingabout that too.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
So roman polanski's house, right, and he wasn't
there.
The other people were there,but the next people they
murdered the next night, one ofthe the lady's name, the wife of
the guy who owned thesupermarket was rosemary.
Yeah, I don't know, it juststood out to me rosemary roman
polanski, rosemary's baby.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
I was like this thing's weird I found the
connection to that, that woman,the the rosemary, but I can't
remember what.
It is off the top of my head.
There's a connection betweenwhy they needed to kill her,
because, god, I wish I couldremember it, because it's not
like I didn't even write it downanywhere, it's literally just
supposed to be floating aroundin my brain.

(01:10:26):
Let me tell you I'm not good atall that that's why I write
down all my notes, because justthings floating around in my
brain don't work out for me.
I have way too many things up inthere, you have to give your
ideas life.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Jackets so they float around and don't sink.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
That's why I write them all down.
I just write down everything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
I'm just like you, Danny.
I always have my notes and Ihave to organize my thoughts
because otherwise I justfreewheel.
I go everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Yeah, if I don't like text're doing right now when I
think about it, this is a littlebit of jazz.
Is this my favorite?
Just well, this is fun too,because you just never know like
what's gonna come up and likewhat cool thing you might learn.
I don't know everything.
I love to learn from otherpeople right, I hear that I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
I'm the same way, but we should, we'll have to do an
episode on chaos I mean, that'sjust's just such an interesting.
Oh yeah, so good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
We do.
That's on the docket for sure,and I read that book in 2019.
And I already knew, before eventhat book came out, that you
know just something reallystrange with even the 1960s and
K-Ultra and the connection to,you know, the war on the
counterculture or thecounterculture itself, which in

(01:11:36):
and of itself is a conspiracy,and the last thing I'll say
because I watched it the otherevening.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
But they don't highlight this in the
documentary.
You just see pictures flashinga lot of the time.
But it's showing Spawn MovieRanch and there's a guy in front
of the door and then it moveson to the next photo and I was
like oh, I know what that is.
And on the door is written dowhat thou wilt and I was like oh
, alistair crowley so that'swhere they're getting their
philosophy.

(01:12:02):
Why don't you talk about that?

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
but oh, they won't.
Yeah, they didn't yeah I'mgonna do on my colts podcast,
I'm gonna do alistair crowleyand then I'm gonna tie it into
my Rabbit Hole podcast where Ido the Bush family.
So sometimes I do crossoverslike that If it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
sometimes it doesn't make any sense Bush family,
alistair Crowley and I believehe sired Barbara Bush yeah yeah.
Yeah, yeah, so does WilliamRamsey, who's a really
thoughtful I mean balancedresearcher and, you know, a
no-nonsense guy.
Yeah, he believes that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
I think they're for sure connected, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Well, Daniel, we appreciate you.
I love the episode.
We could keep going for a longtime, but we'll try to save it
for future episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Sounds good.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Thank you, Mr Anderson, for being here and
your research.
I've been traveling, so MrAnderson pulls some of the load
sometimes and makes sure that hehas his notes ready.
All I have is a chihuahua and amicrophone.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
I was venting off Danny.
She had all this, so reallyinteresting episode and thank
you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
It was crazy for sure .
But thanks guys for having meon.
I really appreciate it.
Thanks for the 17th chance.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
We're going to put this up on 18th time's the charm
.
Just divide it by three and thenyou got it.
We appreciate you and we'regoing to put this up on the
paratrooper podcast feed and, uh, I think danny and I talked
earlier she's going to put thisup on her channel.
So if you're listening, uh, andyou like the show, this is

(01:13:45):
episode 35 of paratrooper and Ialso do a weekly uh radio show
called the art of burn radiotransmission and I just hit
episode 500.
It's kind of, you know, it'slive in the stream of
consciousness and we do.
Parapolitics, precious metals,uh, alternative media, hidden
history, all that cool stuff.
It's an hour a week so you getto see that and hear that and,

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uh, we would just love it.
If any of your listeners wantto listen to paratrooper
anywhere podcasts are found,we'd appreciate you subscribing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Yeah, absolutely.
I hope they go find you becauseI've learned some things
listening to your podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
So I like to learn things.
Me too.
That's the point, so appreciateyou.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Well thanks guys.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Make sure it's Rabbit Hole Conspiracy Podcast Go find
it, folks, it's everywhere I'mon.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Podcast.
Go find it, folks.
It's everywhere.
I'm on YouTube and Rumble nowtoo, so the Rabbit.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Hole.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Podcast the Rabbit Hole Conspiracy Theories.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Subscribe to her YouTube while it lasts.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Long live your YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
I'm trying it okay, because that's why I have a
Rumble, just in case, Becauseyou know YouTube is not going to
take down my episodes quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Yeah, you just had this great YouTube episode.
What was it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
About Israel.
Stop it, stop it.
We're getting deep into BigPharma.
It's just a blank.
I appreciate you.
So, yeah, just, we'd love tohave your subscribers and my
subscribers go subscribe toDanny and brought to you by Wise
Wolf Gold and Silver Exchange.
You'll get a lot of coolprograms coming out for that too

(01:15:18):
, danny, I'm going to be talkingoff air about some of the new
stuff for our precious metalstuff and I want to come back on
soon too.
Yeah, I think last time wetalked was anything in the realm
of finance is changing sorapidly, danny.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Yes, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
I'm working on a book right now and I keep having to
redraft stuff and the relevantinformation.
I can't keep up.
It's hard to get this thing out, so definitely do that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
I'm looking forward to it.
So yeah, we'll talk soon.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
All right, folks, we appreciate you In the
information war.
Be a paratruther.
Talk to you soon.