August 11, 2025 • 60 mins
From the battlefield to the football field, Nate Boyer has lived a life defined by action, resilience, and an unshakable mindset. In this powerful episode of The Asset Mindset podcast, host Daniel Fielding sits down with the former Green Beret turned NFL player to unpack the lessons learned from a journey that defies the odds.
Nate opens up about his transformation from a troubled youth into an elite U.S. Army Special Forces soldier and later a walk-on college football player who earned his place in the NFL. He shares insights on overcoming self-doubt, pushing past fear, and taking action even when the path isn’t clear.
The conversation also dives deep into Merging Vets and Players (MVP), the nonprofit Nate co-founded to help veterans and former professional athletes find renewed purpose after service or sports. From the importance of listening to life’s “nudges” to the mindset shifts needed to achieve personal growth, Nate delivers invaluable takeaways for anyone looking to level up in life.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to the Asset Mindset Podcast.
Today we have a very specialguest.
I'm super grateful you're here,my friend brother, so would you
please introduce yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, brother, appreciate you having me Nate
Boyer.
Born in Tennessee.
Born in Knoxville, tennessee,grew up mostly in the San
Francisco Bay Area.
After high school, moved to SanDiego, worked on a fishing boat
for a bit, then came up to LAand kind of did some odd jobs,
was interested in the film andtelevision world.
(00:39):
I think a lot of it was comingfrom a place of not really
liking my story or didn't thinkI'd have one and wanting to be a
part of maybe telling otherpeople's.
And then I was 20 years old,living in a shoebox apartment
and 9-11 happened.
Didn't join the military rightaway, but kind of got me
thinking about it.
(01:00):
Growing up, all I wanted to dowas be a professional athlete,
uh, but I wasn't the bestathlete in the world.
So that was tough.
I worked really hard but I justdidn't have the skills.
So it was like college afterhigh school didn't really seem
to make sense, cause I just Idon't know, I, I uh, I just I
didn't know where to direct thatenergy and yeah, so I was kind
(01:24):
of stumbling around Los Angelesliterally at times.
And then, yeah, after thetowers were hit.
I didn't join the militaryright away, but it got me
thinking about it and I startedbackpacking I would save my
money up and try to go explorethe world a bit and figure out
what was going on with it andeventually led me to doing some
(01:46):
relief work uh, in the darfurand some other areas, and after
my time there, not only knew Iwanted to join the military um,
but discovered what the greenrays actually do, what the army,
special forces, special Forcesjob actually is.
Unconventional warfare isobviously, it's obvious, but
(02:08):
it's a very vague term.
It means a lot of differentthings.
But what spoke to me the most,beyond the motto de oppresso
liber was, which means to freethe oppressed, was the foreign
internal defense element Workingalongside host nationals,
training, living with at timesand fighting alongside people
(02:29):
from other nations that you'remeant to either free or help
stand up a military that canhopefully at some point fight
for themselves.
It's obviously not alwayssuccessful, but you do what you
can.
That really appealed to mebecause if I was going to go to
war, I think I wanted to feellike I'm at least working hand
(02:51):
in hand with the people thatlived there and this is their
place, their home.
That made me feel a lot betterabout that mission and anyway.
So that's why I tried out forSpecial Forces and eventually
became a green beret Um.
After five years on active duty,I transitioned into the to 19
special forces group in theTexas national guard and walked
(03:13):
on to the football team at theuniversity of Texas.
Uh, so I was.
I was an old, old freshman, amuch older senior Um, but I
played there for for four years.
For four years and actuallywent back to Afghanistan a
couple of times while I was incollege, just on like three and
a half month deploymenttimeframes between spring
(03:35):
semester and fall semesterfootball season.
And then had a shot with theSeahawks in 2015 as a
34-year-old rookie.
Only played in one gamepreseason game.
I ended up getting releasedafter that.
But just to get that far, makethat level of cuts and have that
shot to play was pretty special.
And then since then I've kindof circled back to the
(03:58):
storytelling world, working infilm and television, saw him and
co-founded an organizationcalled Merging Vets and Players
MVP for short where we bringtogether combat vets and former
pro athletes and help them findpurpose and identity when they
lose a uniform, something thatI'd certainly needed when I was
coming out of the military andcoming out of sports.
So that's sort of the broad,long or short form story of how
(04:26):
we somewhat got where I am today, but I'm sure we'll dive deeper
into parts of that here andthere.
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And I got to say, brother, we're cut from the same
cloth, not just because we bothwore a long tab.
I did work in the DominicanRepublic in 2000.
Wow, One 9-11 happened.
Yeah, I helped build anorphanage in there.
I don't know what you.
I'm going to dive in a littlebit with DeFore.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah please.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So yeah, just very similar.
I was 27 when 9-11 happened andI walked in the recruiter's
office and I was like, hey, Iwant to sign up and I want to be
with these guys.
Thank you, yeah, I'm 50 thisyear, Not yet.
I got a couple weeks left still.
All right, cool Congrats.
But 1975 model, but yeah.
So very similar.
9-11 motivated me.
I did my research.
(05:14):
I'm like who do I want to bewith?
I'd already done somehumanitarian work down in the
Dominican Republic, living atthe orphanage with the people
and, like you, I really found,you know, working with the
locals or indigenous forces andthat very compelling like being
with the people and, of course,our motto De Oppressor Liber
(05:34):
that is so powerful to free theoppressed.
So let's go back to DeFore.
And when you were there, whatwere you doing?
And is that what sparked theGreen Beret thing?
Did you run across a team?
Or tell me about that?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't run into any Americanmilitary in person there, but
and I don't even know if we wereoperating in the region at the
time I mean, this was 2004 wassort of the height of the
genocide in the Darfur, which is, for people that don't know,
it's Western Sudan, on theborder of Chad and Sudan.
(06:09):
Essentially, at that time youcouldn't travel to Sudan.
There was a travel ban goinginto Sudan at all because they
were in the middle of a civilwar and it was just a very
volatile place.
So, unless you were with somesort of agency, I would imagine
you know, and there's, surelythere were some relief workers
(06:33):
that were in there and whatnot,but I don't, it was just a lot
tougher.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I'm sure you blended in really good right, you
blended right in.
Yeah, it looked like everybodythere.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But the way I got to the region was or at least to
the refugee camps just acrossthe Chadian border was through
Chad.
So I flew, I was able to get a60-day travel visa to go to Chad
and the capital is, I mean,it's very far from the Darfur.
It's a big country In northernAfrica, the countries are large.
(07:05):
Flying from the capital, kemena, to Abeshe, which is a town
that's closer to the borderwhere a lot of the refugee camps
sort of launched from Excuse me, the refugee workers, the
relief workers launched from togo to the refugee camps.
That was like a two or threehour flight on like a little
(07:27):
prop plane right from fromcapital out there, or like a 20
hour drive through the desertbecause there's no highway.
You know what I mean, it wasjust dirt roads and stuff like
that.
So it's a long.
It's a long, long way throughthe sahara essentially.
But that was sort of the onlyway I could get there.
I was in my early 20s.
(07:47):
I was in a place in my lifewhere I felt like I had a lot of
energy, as a lot of people doin their early 20s, and I had a
lot of passion and I wanted todo something I didn't
necessarily believe in myselfwhen it came to being in the
military generally, because, youknow, like I said, after nine,
11, I thought about it.
(08:09):
I thought about it multipletimes, but then I just would,
you know, that voice in my headwould kind of talk me out of it.
You know thinking, well, you're, who are you?
You're?
You know you're a 20 year oldidiot, that that doesn't that
didn't go to college.
You know that, uh, that youknow that wasn't able to earn a
scholarship in sports orwhatever.
So you're a failure and youcan't have people's lives in
(08:33):
your hand.
That's crazy.
You're going to screw it up andso, not being mature enough to
recognize that that voice is notreal, not being mature enough
to recognize that that voice isnot real, it's just, you know
it's, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's something that we hear,
um, and it's, it's in our heads.
(08:53):
It's not us.
You know the voice in your headis not you, um, but it's still
like dictated a lot of what Ididn't do, I shouldn't say I
should say more than what I didin life, and so I just kind of
held back and and continued on,you know, just stuck in the rut
and eventually, um, it was anumber of things that sort of
(09:14):
occurred at once, that kind ofgot me to this place of like I
got to get out of here, and oneof those was, you know, I was
just, really I was not good tomyself, like physically either.
I didn't.
It wasn't exercising, I waseating terrible, I was, you know
, drinking and partying like waytoo much.
Um, and I was like, you know, Idon't say running with the
(09:38):
wrong crowd, that's not correctbut I would not allow myself to
be around or spend too much timewith people that were doing the
right thing or being successful.
Because it made me feel guilty,because I'm like I know that you
know that imposter syndrome orwhatever that we all have.
It's like, oh, I'm a piece ofshit, I can't be hanging with
these people.
These are good people, theseare people that actually are,
you know, hardworking, pursuingtheir dreams, whatever that is.
(10:01):
And I'm like, who am I?
I pursuing their dreams,whatever that is.
And I'm like, who am I?
I'm an idiot, and so I would.
You know, I kind of did thatand it just kept me in this
negative space.
Um, and then one morning I wokeup on my buddy's couch after a
long night out and there was amagazine on the coffee table, a
time magazine, and on the coverwas this woman, skin and bones,
(10:25):
um, african woman, holding herchild who was either deceased or
soon to be.
And I was like, uh, you knowwhat is this about?
And it said the tragedy ofsudan was the title, and I
started flipping through andreading that, that, the article,
and looking at the images.
The images spoke to me more oras much as the words did.
Um, and I just felt called, youknow, sort of compelled to go
(10:51):
do that.
And I just kind of made a snapdecision in that moment.
Usually in life, even in in,when I make a decision about
something, when I say like I'mgoing to do this, I do it, you
know, or at least try, and I mayfail, but like I'm going to go
for it.
So I went down to the travelagency, the AAA, and asked about
plane tickets to this place,you know.
(11:12):
And they're like well, youcan't fly to Sudan, you got to.
The only way to get there isthrough Chad.
But like, why do you want to go?
You're not with an, you're notwith an organization.
You should call these NGOs andsee if you can go with you know.
So I called all the NGOs.
They were like well, you don'thave a college degree, you don't
have any special skills, it'snot that simple, it's very
complicated to go help.
And so I just was like well,all right, I'm just going to go
(11:37):
anywhere, I'm just going tofigure it out and I'll get there
and we'll see what happens.
See what happens.
And uh, and that's.
I mean, that's ultimately whatI what I did.
I got the plane ticket, I got avisa from the consulate in Los
Angeles.
I just kind of went into theoffice and said what do I got to
fill out?
How do I get documents I need?
Flew over there to the Capitoland then, just at the airport,
(12:00):
talked my way onto a UN flightflight, one of those little
propeller planes.
I was talking about a unhcr,united nations high commission
for refugees.
They had one seat on the plane.
You know, I was a young guy withnot a lot of stuff.
There was other people tryingto get on that plane too that
were like journalists, with, youknow, cameras hanging off their
neck and all this gear, and Ithink the person with the
(12:23):
manifest that day was just like,well, this guy's here to here
to volunteer, these people arehere to document it, which is
important.
I mean, you know, I think it'simportant that journalism exists
and we need to know what'sgoing on in the world.
But I got lucky and I got theseat on the bird, so I got to go
over there and then, you know,got interrogated and all that
fun stuff once I got there,because people were like, what
(12:45):
are you doing here?
Who are you, you know?
And I just kind of talked myway into it and I was just
honest.
I just told him like, hey, thisis me, I don't have a lot to
offer, but like you also needthese sites built, you know,
ditches dug, people that spendtime with the thousands, if not
millions, of kids that were likeeverywhere out in this place
(13:07):
it's almost all women andchildren.
And you know, I workedconstruction, some.
I've done all kinds of you knowodd jobs.
I can figure things out Like,just let me help and I don't
want anything, I'll sleep on it.
You don't even need to put meup, I'll figure it out.
You know which I?
I did.
I ended up sleeping on theground with some of the people
there.
You know, I had a mosquito netand, um, this, uh, just rolled a
(13:31):
shirt up and another shirt madea pillow and it was like this
is where I'm living, um, and itwas cool, it was like those.
Those those two monthscompletely transformed me in so
many ways, and in the mostimportant ways was just
realizing that if you just kindof show up and try, you know,
(13:52):
and just like, take, get on thatflight, like things happen.
You know what I mean, and youjust got to go.
When you wait for the perfect,perfect, whatever opportunity
and all the, all the stars toalign, like it's just they don't
, that doesn't happen,unfortunately, and then you end
up just not doing whatever thatthing is, um, but it was, yeah,
(14:13):
through that trip and and, uh,and just the gratitude that
people expressed over there, um,and I wasn't doing anything
special, I was just there, I wasjust helping.
Anybody could have done what Iwas doing.
And then the last week I was incountry, even though I took doxy
, I got malaria.
And this local family put me upyeah, it was not fun, it was,
(14:35):
you know, if you've had COVID,it was like 10x.
You know it was rough.
This family put me up.
They wouldn't take anything.
Uh, they wouldn't.
You know, I didn't have muchmoney but they wouldn't take a
dollar anyway.
And, uh, they took care of meand his local family and they
put a little radio next to mybed so I had something to listen
(14:56):
to for those three or four dayswhere I was just, you know, I
couldn't even hold water down.
And, uh, the only station thatcame through the radio was BBC
news.
And the second and the onlystation that came through on the
radio was BBC News and theSecond Battle of Fallujah was
going on right at that time.
So I was listening to theplay-by-play of the Second
Battle of Fallujah in 2004, andI just made the decision right
then and there, when I come backto the States, I'm going to
(15:21):
join the military.
I thought I was going to be inthe Marines first, because they
were the main effort in thatbattle, and I came back and
studied up a bit, went to therecruiting office just didn't
have a great experience and Iwas like frustrated, disgruntled
, you know, like dang.
I thought this was going to beit.
I'm not feeling it.
And then another magazineappeared at a car dealership
(15:43):
when I was getting my oilchanged and on the cover was
this these special forces,forces dudes, faster up and out
of the helicopter.
And I don't remember what itwas titled, but it was talking
about the 18X-ray program,essentially the Special Forces
Babies program.
For those that don't know whatthat is you come in off the
street if you qualify.
That is, you come in off thestreet if you qualify and you go
(16:06):
to basic training, airborneschool, a pre-selection course,
and then special forcesselection and if you get
selected, you start your roughlyyear-and-a-half-long training
to become a Green Beret.
So, yeah, I read about themission, I read about what we
were talking about earlierforeign, internal defense and de
oppresso libero and all thesethings and it just was like
(16:28):
everything I was reading I waslike yes, yes, yes, like that is
it.
And uh, so I went to the armyrecruiting office and that's
what I want to do.
And you know, they tried tosell me on five other things and
I was like nope, I don't wantthat.
I don't want that, I don't.
I just want to do I don't careif the bonus isn't as big, it's
fine, this is what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what they did to me.
I'm a 18 X-ray SF baby, tooCool.
So I'm sopsy mafia, all thethings you know.
But uh, I just went through alittle before you did.
That's so funny.
I love how you take action,brother.
You see something and you go.
(17:07):
I think you said something verypowerful that maybe I'd like
you to share a little more indepth.
You said things don't have tobe perfect.
If you're waiting for stuff tobe perfect, you're going to be
sitting there waiting.
You have to act.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's never going to happen.
I mean, yeah, the perfectconditions, they never arrive.
I mean, that's the same withany mission you're conducting in
a combat scenario, or itdoesn't have to be a combat
scenario Any mission you'reconducting in the military or in
life.
It's like you're only incontrol of so much.
(17:48):
We all are like that's just theway it is, um, but you're
always in control of how youprepare, you know, and the
attitude you maintain and youknow all those things.
That's why in the military,they're always preaching right
time, right place, right uniform, because those are simple
things that you can control forthe most part.
(18:10):
And everything else is just likeit's up to the universe and you
know.
Like you can be upset about it.
You can be mad about the resultor mad about, oh man, like you
know, blaming the weather orother people or whatever that is
, but it's not going to changeanything.
And what's worse than that iswhen you don't even try, when
(18:35):
you just you spend your wholelife, you know, waiting for your
bank account to be big enoughor whatever that is to go.
Do the thing that you want todo more than anything else, the
thing that you love, and thenone day.
Um, you know we're all gonna dieand you, you're so lucky if you
(18:56):
get to live a full life andkind of know that that's coming
soon, instead of it justhappening all of a sudden.
But just imagine being at thatstage in your life and you're
looking back on all those thingsyou wish you would have tried,
even if you didn't complete them.
I don't even want to say thethings you wish you would have
done, but the things you wishyou would have at least learned
(19:20):
about and been exposed to, andfeeling regretful and that's
like that's.
That's like the saddest thingto me, you know, is is that yeah
, you don't want to have regret.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Nobody wants to look back at their life and the what
ifs I could have, I should havelike you, got to go, you got to
try, and if people can get thatmindset at a younger age, which
sounds like you did I mean youwere 20 and you were going out
across the world you know tohelp people and that which I can
see, why you were successful asa Green Beret.
You know like you.
(19:54):
Just you make stuff happen andpeople need to understand they
have the power to do it.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
That's a big thing too.
It's a that's a big thing tooLike with with us, I think,
people.
I think people assume we're,all you know, like elite, uh, as
(20:23):
far as our physical and mentalcondition and our intelligence,
and you know, we all train hardtogether and we all have
different skill sets and andwhatever, and for the most part
we're pretty collaborative inthe special forces.
You know, like it's theopposite of much of the military
, where we sort of welcome beinga little bit different, you
know, and kind of thinking aboutthings different, because now
(20:44):
you've got some different waysof approaching things versus
like we're going to train you todo it this way and only this
way, um, and so that's likethat's great.
But if you took a lineup of theguys that had an 18 x-ray
contract at the beginning ofbasic training or even at
selection, and you tried to pickjust by looks, you know who who
(21:06):
was going to be the, the 20that make it all the way through
, or whatever the number is, andyou're gonna, you're gonna pick
some of them will be right, butmost of them you probably won't
pick correctly.
You know it's crazy.
I just remember when the peoplethat were tapping out, I'm like
that guy's tapping out, thatguy's a beast, he looks like it
anyway, you know.
And then some like frumpy guythat you just unassuming you
(21:28):
know that, and he just neverquit.
And he just made a decision andcommitted to it.
And you know, all of a suddenhe's, he's getting his long tab
too, you know, and you're likedamn all right, that's the guy I
want at the end of the day,that's the guy I want alongside
me too.
I don't care what they looklike, I don't care, not quite
attitude Exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, I have a similar thing that I talked
about in my book, the AssetMindset with.
There was this black hat.
So you know, you go to airborneschool first or not?
Well, there was this black hatthat was preaching to us about
you're going to be a paratrooper, you're the percent, you know
(22:10):
whatever, 6% of the army, blah,blah, blah.
And he ended up being in myselection class with me.
I mean, this guy was a stud,perfect, 300 PT score, all the
things.
I'm like, oh, he's going tomake it.
He quit.
He didn't even make it throughthe course, he quit.
And I was like, wow.
And then there was this otherguy, like you said, unassuming,
not very big in stature, he wasnot very built either, but he
had the heart of a lion and theyalways tried to weigh him down,
(22:32):
you know, with batteries, ammo.
Give him the 240, bravo, youknow trying to make him quick.
And he never quit.
I mean he ended up going acrossthe fence.
That's where he's working now.
I mean he's just had that muchof the warrior spirit.
So yeah, I think people need torealize you don't have to
necessarily look the part to beelite.
You can have a mindset, andthat's really what separates.
(22:56):
Can you share like a momentwhen you first realized you were
mentally stronger than yourcircumstances?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, I mean there's probably a lot of those over the
years.
Let's see.
I would say I mean ones thatreally stand out are in training
.
I guess I think that would bean easy one for me to identify,
because when I joined themilitary I was not in good shape
.
I'd stopped working out andplaying sports and all that and
(23:29):
I didn't.
I didn't get.
I wasn't overweight, I wasunderweight, I was just like a
rail and you know I rolled myown cigarettes and ate like crap
and just like didn't.
You know, didn't, uh, I don'tknow, it was nowhere near in the
type of shape you should be.
To try out for Special Forcesand getting to basic training,
(23:52):
back then I think we had 14weeks between basic and infantry
school and then another threeweeks in airborne school before
you go off to selection.
So basically 17 weeks, fourmonths to kind of get yourself
ready or let other people getyou ready.
A little bit of both, I guess,but but yeah, those, those first
(24:17):
three weeks in basic were thehardest for me because it was
like you know, even though Iwasn't fat, it was like fat camp
.
It was like I'm now eating atthese times of the day and
eating what they serve me andI've got three minutes to eat it
, um, and then you know, beforeand after we're doing pull-ups
(24:40):
and pushups and then we got a 10mile run at you know six in the
morning tomorrow and like allthese things that you're sort of
forced to do, that you were, Iwas just not prepared for, but
you know, but just had to do it,you just have to do.
You don't have a choice, youknow, you just like get other
(25:01):
people doing it with you and Iguess you'd have somewhat of a
choice.
Some people just quit, you know, or stopped, or whatever, but
um, but then you know,eventually you're putting on,
you know, heavy rucksacks andand roaming around, uh, uh, the
tank trails out there andwhatnot, and you're always with
like a group, but then you getoff, you get through all that
(25:22):
stuff and you get througheveryone's school and you're
going off like special forceselection.
Now you're on your own, you knowand you're, you know you're
doing land navigation, longdistances, with a compass and a
map and a grid coordinate, andI'd never read a map before.
You know, I didn't know how toplot a grid and all this stuff
and, um, or you know you'redoing that and you're trying to
(25:44):
figure this out and it's likesometimes you're doing it in the
middle of the night andsometimes it's middle of the day
or whatever, but you're alwaysby yourself and you can't use
the roads.
I mean, you can use the roads,you just can't be on the roads
and you've got to figure allthis stuff out.
I'm smart in some ways and verystupid in others, and some of
(26:04):
this stuff, and I think a lot ofthat's just, yeah, once again,
it's just, you know, insecurityor fear or whatever, just like
you don't perform well whenyou're feeling all those things,
when all those things not justfeeling them when those things
are sort of the dominant feeling, because you become a little
bit paralyzed, you know.
And so I just I remember havingto have those moments, even in
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just in selection, early on,before I went overseas or
anything like that, where youknow I'm, I'm like I'm, I'm
scared not scared for my life,not scared that I'm going to get
lost, scared that I'm not goingto make it, I'm going to get
cut, you know and scared for,like, for for that, that feeling
, that regret that I might feel,and, uh, still having all this
(26:50):
stuff built up and then, like,thinking about how much farther
I gotta go.
You know, I've only gone acouple hundred yards from my
last point and I've got, youknow, 10 clicks, 15 clicks still
to go to get to this otherpoint, through these mountains
and all these things, and uh,and all of that noise kind of
(27:12):
flooding in, and you know, yousee, why people quit and and and
why they, whether theyphysically quit or just kind of
mentally quit, and you know,don't really go for it.
And then I would just have to,like, I'd have to like take a
breath, think about the realityof things, think about how, uh,
(27:34):
sad and heartbroken I would beif I didn't just go for it right
, and like, oh, I mean just andjust kind of going, running
through that.
And so it all happens veryquickly.
You know, it's not like I'msitting there for hours
contemplating these things, butlike just remembering that, no
matter what, I'm going to feelmore regret, more shame, more,
(27:58):
whatever these things are, if Ichoose to quit or if I just kind
of like shut down.
You know, then, if I just likekeep going and sure enough, like
you just like, all right, youknow, f, this I'm just going to,
this is my grid, this is theazimuth I'm shooting.
Just, you know, just put yourstuff away and just run for a
(28:18):
little bit, even though you gotthis.
You know heavy, pack on andyou're, you're wet because it's
raining and you're in you knowuncomfortable uniform and boots
and whatever.
And you're in, you're trippingevery other step and just like
go, just like don't think aboutthat stuff, just like go.
And then you get to the next,like ridgeline, and you like
(28:38):
look back and see how far you'vecame and you're like, oh man,
I've actually covered someground, you know, and you feel
that like a little glimmer of,um, I guess, confidence, and uh,
and then you're like okay, andyou're like, do your next deal.
You know what's the nextkilometer?
Look like I still have 15 ofthese or 14 of these maybe now,
but what's the next one?
Look like, and then after awhile, you've come a lot farther
(29:01):
than you realize because youjust kept moving.
You you're having those, maybethose not so fun internal
conversations, but you're movingwhile you're doing this, you
know what I mean.
You're not sitting there, um,waiting for your attitude to
change, you're just continuingforward and eventually, like
that stuff goes away and overtime those internal
(29:23):
conversations happen less andless you know what I mean and
becomes like it's who you are,you know.
It becomes such a habit that itchanges not only your behavior
but like your mindset, you know,and your belief in that, and
like what makes you you.
Uh, I'm not going to say thatthis stuff ever becomes like
easy Cause.
(29:43):
I think it's still reallychallenging.
But when you have that part umthe mental side I don't want to
say mastered, because I don'tthink anybody ever has it
mastered but when you have itunder control and you know how
to respond when those negativethoughts come in, you know what
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I mean.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
It's an inner dialogue.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, exactly Cause you're like I've been here
before and I've had thisconversation with myself before
and what did I do then?
I kept going and what ended uphappening?
I got through it and it was allgood and I actually felt pretty
damn good about myself becauseI didn't let that voice win.
You know what I mean?
I just kept going.
Eventually it shuts up andyou're just like, oh my gosh
crazy.
(30:32):
But it sounds like a littlething, maybe, and maybe it
sounds like a silly thing, but Ithink a lot of people suffer
from that, whether they're inthe military or doing anything
physical in nature or not,because they just like that it
has too much control, you know,it has too much agency in your
mind.
Um, that voice and you just letit, you just let it dictate
(30:56):
your, your every move, or evensome of your moves, and that
sucks, you know that reallysucks.
So it's like I just rememberthose moments early on, through
especially selection and evenmore of the Q course and other
things, and even eventually ondeployments and missions, where
it's like you got a 72 hourmission, you're getting heloed
into an area you got to walk tothis spot you may get shot at,
(31:19):
especially once the sun comes up.
And then you got a strong pointat this house for the entirety
of the day and then the nextnight you move to another one.
You're, you know, you'relooking for a specific
individual, maybe, or a smallgroup, and you may end up
finding nobody and you may endup getting into, you know, a nun
fight.
All these things may happen andyou're not really sleeping.
If anything, you're nodding offhere and there for a bit when
(31:44):
you can, when you're not, youknow, know, actively pulling
security and uh, and all of that.
And it's like, if you look at itfrom an outside perspective as
a whole, without the training oreverything, it just seems
insane, like it seems crazy, itseems impossible, it seems like
how far did you guys go?
And like where were you?
And you know, all these thingsdon't match up but like because
(32:07):
you put yourself in thosesituations before and you
trained properly, um, and you'rewith other people, uh, that did
the same thing as you.
So it's not, it's not somethingyou're having to do alone.
You just sort of build thisresiliency, you know, within
your brain, um, and you're ableto kind of take that breath for
(32:28):
a quick second and like like allright, we're good, like just
think about you know all theseother things that are going
right and and what you do haveat your disposal, and like what
you're good at, and all thewhile you just continue kind of
moving forward.
Yeah, that's uh.
So I guess it's not like onespecific, but that's just how
that sort of that arc umdeveloped within me.
(32:50):
It was started in training andcontinued on and then it
continued on to football.
After that, like I never wouldhave tried to play football at
that age or probably any age umat that level anywhere without
uh gone through, having gonethrough uh the you know the
training that I experienced andovercoming that negative voice
(33:15):
in their head.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Fighting that inner dialogue was definitely, I think
, something that was for youchallenging and it is for
everybody.
So do you have any specifictechniques?
I know you talked about hey,the next ridgeline, or looking
back, but a lot of people dohave that voice in their head,
like you and I do, that innerdialogue that they're battling.
(33:36):
What do you think is the besttrick or tip that you can share
with the audience to combat thatvoice in your head?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Um, well, I think doing hard things is really
important and doesn't have to bephysical.
Again, I think that's an easyway to to start to overcome that
voice, though, um, I just think, generally human beings like
we're meant to, we're meant toto to do hard things, you know,
(34:09):
uh, we're meant to uh becausewe're, we still have survival
instincts within us and we livein a world and a time when, yeah
, like it's a nightmare, but youknow you can also, it's not too
hard if you live in a place,like we do anyway, to access
(34:33):
food and clean water and shelterand clothing of those survival
instincts or at least you know,dilutes them, but we still have
(34:55):
them in us.
So our bodies, like we're,we're, we're search.
I think we're searching forlike something there and that's
why we gravitate towards, youknow, when it comes to movies
like sex and violence andanything that like raises those,
you know whatever.
I'm not a scientist, but youknow people talk about serotonin
(35:16):
and dopamine and all thesethings.
But, like you know, thatfeeling the best way for me to
break it down in layman's termsis that feeling, that rush, that
we feel, that adrenaline rushor whatever we love that feeling
, right, I mean, sometimes it'sscary.
But why do we watch scarymovies?
Who wants to have nightmares?
But it's because we like thatfeeling and I think that harkens
to our animal instincts ofwanting to survive things and
(35:40):
wanting to, or not wanting to,but needing to, needing to kind
of be on the lookout and likeall that stuff.
So to sort of feed that part ofus, I think we need to do, um,
do difficult things, and a lotof times it doesn't make sense
to for it to be somethingphysical in nature.
Maybe it's, you know, running amarathon or you know, climbing
(36:04):
a mountain or whatever.
It doesn't have to be some likecrazy fitness goal, um, but
like something that you're notquite sure you can do.
Or when you look at it and takea step back and look at it,
you're like, dang, that lookscrazy, that looks really hard,
that looks impossible, um, butthen you start to take the steps
towards that, whether they'rephysical steps to climb the
mountain, uh, or um, you knowsome type of step to to go, you
(36:30):
know, seek out that I don't knowthat dream job, or write that
letter, um, to that person thatyou need to like reconcile with
right, something like that,where it's like an uncomfortable
situation where it's, it'ssomething that's very hard to do
and it's not convenient,because life, for the most part,
(36:51):
is very comfortable andconvenient.
When you look at the past, youknow what I mean to where we are
today, and I think that we'restill human beings, like we're
still animals, and we still havethese instincts, and I think we
have to like, uh, listen tothose at some level and like,
(37:11):
make sure that those are cateredto is not the right phrasing,
but I tended to in some way.
You know what I mean, and Ithink it's important for young
people too, especially todaywith, like, the digital age I'm
like everybody's on an iPad andgaming and all this stuff, which
I don't think there's.
Those are all negatives.
I think there's very cool stuffwithin that.
Look, we're we're doing thispodcast right now, you know, and
(37:32):
we've never met in person andwe're like having this in-depth
conversation that's reallyinteresting and really cool, but
also like we need to be doingthese other things that do speak
to our, our instincts, you know.
And so I think that I thinkthat that is, you know, an
important step to kind of getout of that, uh, get out of your
(37:53):
own way somewhat, do somethingor try to do something.
You don't think you can do.
You know you don't, you're notsure you can complete If you
know you can do it.
I'm not saying don't do thosethings also, but if you know you
can, you know you can run amarathon, like, like it's not as
, you're not crying when youcross the finish line, if as
much as you know, if you didn't,if you weren't sure, if you
(38:14):
were, like I would, I think Ican do this maybe, but I don't
know.
Like that's so hard, you know.
And then you just like start totrain for it and prepare for it
, and then you go do it and youfinish.
You're like, oh, my god, I coulddo that.
Like what?
What can I do now?
You know, and all of a sudden,like this, the, the miles get
longer, you know, the, the, uh,the dream gets bigger and you
(38:37):
continue to fill that space ifyou keep going towards it,
working towards it, and all of asudden you're, you're becoming
the person you dreamt of.
You know, the person you wishyou were At least trying to do
the things that you have alwayswanted to do.
And I don't know what themeaning of life is.
I certainly am not a bigphilosopher or anything like
that.
I don't know the point to allof this.
(39:00):
I have existential crisis allthe time Crises, but it does.
I I think, I feel comfort.
I feel comfort in doing thoseuncomfortable things and um
living that way at least some ofthe time.
You know, I also like to sit onthe couch and do nothing and
watch a movie.
Like don't get me wrong, I'mnot, I don't need to do the.
(39:23):
You know, the wake up at 4 amevery day.
Do the thing.
I don't need to wake up at 4 amevery day and do the thing.
I don't need to do.
That Some people do.
I don't need that.
Sometimes I like to sleep in,but I need to sprinkle in really
tough stuff in my life, reallyhard things, and I choose
because I love to be outside, Ilove to get away from the
concrete jungle and get awayfrom the digital stuff and get
(39:44):
away from the digital stuff.
So I love to go out and hike orrun or get lost a little bit and
do things like that that arebig and kind of scary, along
with trying to make movies anddoing these things.
A few years ago I'd be like Ican't direct a movie, I don't
know anything about that.
And then I just went down thepath.
(40:05):
For a few years I did Not thebest movie in the world, but I'm
proud of it.
You know, and we, we, uh, wedid it and now we're doing more.
You know, I could have just aseasily actually it would have
been easier to just say like no,that's for super artistic
(40:26):
people that are way smarter thanme, that's not for me, um.
But then you meet those people,even some of the greats you
know, and you're like oh they'rethey.
They have insecurities too andworries and and they all you
know they feel similarly as well.
They just went for it.
They just chose to go for it.
Now we've built up in our headsthat these people are elite in
(40:47):
some way and it's like maybethey are smarter than you or
more creative and artistic orwhatever, but maybe they're not.
You know, there's plenty ofpeople doing that stuff too that
aren't.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah.
So what do you think reallyseparates the people that
achieve success and the onesthat don't?
I mean, is it luck?
Is it it talent?
Is it hard work?
What?
What would you say?
Is the like, the special sauceif someone's listening and they
want to reach a goal or attainsuccess in some field?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
yeah, and luck is certainly part of that.
But I'll tell you what like,and you eventually, you know
luck.
Eventually, the ball eventuallybounces your way if you're out
on the field enough.
You know what I mean.
Like I have, I remember gettingthis fortune cookie when I was
in college and it was myfavorite one ever.
The what do you call it?
(41:38):
The fortune?
I guess the piece of paper inthe cookie.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I can't think of what those things are called.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
The fortune.
The fortune I got was it justjust said luck helps those who
help themselves, and what thatmeant to me was just like, yeah,
like there is such a thing andyou do need to get lucky in some
ways when it comes to thescoreboard.
Right, the result like that's,that's you can.
You can go as hard as you can,do the best that you can and you
may best that you can, and youmay never win, but you might
(42:10):
sometimes if you put yourselfout there enough and you go out
there enough and try enough, andyou'll probably get it.
No matter what the thing is, ifit's challenging, you're going
to lose more than you win.
You just have to accept that.
That's the reality.
That's just what's going tohappen and that's totally fine.
It actually makes the wins feelthat much better, but and
that's totally fine it actuallymakes the wind feel that much
better.
But you've got to keep showingup and doing that.
But eventually the ball willbounce your way.
(42:32):
But are you going to be readywhen it does?
Are you going to be prepared?
And if you're putting yourselfout there and you're continuing
to work and follow that journeyand eventually it will, but say
that it doesn't say that itnever does, you know, say you
never get that that opportunityto, you know, show your true
(42:55):
colors, or whatever I'm, youknow I'm trying to say like that
it doesn't happen, so what?
Like you and everybody who theball did bounce to are also
gonna they, you're all going togo, you're all going to be gone
one day and no one's going toremember or care about who won,
who lost.
What we're going to rememberare the people that inspired us,
(43:18):
the people that we knew wecould rely on, the people that
we admired because they, theyput the effort in, they went all
they.
Effort in, they went all they,you know, they went for it.
That's why we love underdogs somuch.
We don't love we don't, wedon't we, we, we don't, you know
, honor the people that are justsuper, super talented, as much
(43:41):
as the ones who had their backagainst the wall the Rocky story
, you know and somehow gotthrough it.
And Rocky in the wall the rockystory, you know, and somehow
got through it.
Rocky in the original, rockyloses, you know what I mean.
But like, why do we love thatcharacter?
Because they were an underdogand because they gave everything
.
They went all in and theydidn't.
They kept getting up and theygot knocked down over and over
(44:02):
and they kept getting up likethat's what matters at the, it's
not the achievement, it's notthe success, it's not whether
luck you get that lucky hand ornot, that's not, at the end of
the day, that's not what matters.
I've achieved some cool thingsin life, but I've also been cut
a lot and failed a lot, and Ilearned more in those instances.
(44:22):
And also, when I look back,that was just a more enjoyable
time, because usually that wassomething that was, you know, it
was, it was harder, it wassomething that that, uh, I, I
knew I probably wasn't going tobe able to achieve, but I still
went for it.
And most of the time you don't,um, you know, get the gold
medal or whatever, but it wasthe work that I put in and it
(44:45):
was the relationships andfriendships that I made over
that time and it was the self,the pride in myself, like,
looking back, like man, youdidn't quit.
You know you kept going and youlike that's crazy, you got that
far, you know you gotta, yougotta acknowledge that stuff.
So, anyway, I mean, I think thatthat's that's something that is
important, because if you don't, if you choose to, to not help
(45:08):
yourself, like luck, certainlynot gonna, it's definitely not
gonna find that like the ballwas never.
If you're not on the field, theball cannot bounce your way, um
, but also, like you're gonna wetalked about it earlier like
you're going to, there's a goodchance that one day you're gonna
reflect and look back andyou're gonna say, like man, I
had an opportunity to go do somepretty cool stuff and I never
(45:31):
did it and that sucks.
I wish I would have.
Like just thinking about thatbreaks my heart.
Like I don't want to.
You know, I don't want to bethat person.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, exactly Like.
How long can you dwell onsomething with a what?
If, yeah, you can be older andjust.
You can do it forever, Exactly.
So no, I love that you takeaction and I want to get more
into the merging vets andplayers.
Share a little bit about that.
What inspired you to that?
(46:00):
Because it sounds like you'rementoring and inspiring and
bringing people together.
Team building, building like alot of positive work here.
So share with the audience whatyou got going on yeah,
absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
You know, as I mentioned, after I came off
active duty, I went to college,university of texas never, never
, uh, lived in texas before my.
It was my first time out inAustin.
It was a great experience.
This was back in 2010.
I get there, I cross over.
Now I'm in National Guard.
(46:34):
I'm still wearing that uniform,but more often I'm wearing a
jersey.
Now I was fortunate to make theteam and ended up starting my
last three years as the longsnapper for the Longhorns, and
so in the summer I'm goingoverseas and through the rest of
(46:54):
the season or the year I'mplaying football in the fall,
going to class.
In spring we got spring balland I'm doing some of my annual
training with the military, andso I got the football locker
room, I got the team room withSF and then in 2014, in my
(47:18):
senior year, I had just comeback from Afghanistan that
summer.
It was kind of a crazydeployment.
It was my last deployment andit was was also uh, you know, we
got into it quite a bit.
I think it was maybe because wewere.
It was the end of, I guess,offensive operations, the
military and kind oftransitioning into a pure train
advisor assist role.
So I get back and you know, Ifinished out my senior year and,
(47:41):
uh, I think football's overafter we're done and I get this
opportunity to sign as anunder-acted free agent with the
Seahawks and get the opportunityto go up to Seattle and
continue playing.
And when that happened I said,well, I'm moving to Seattle now,
so I'm not going to reenlist inthe National Guard, so I'm done
with the military.
(48:01):
So I kind of put that aside,not really thinking much about
it, missed certain things aboutit.
But I've got this other uniformand team and structure and
purpose and you know, mission,even though it's quite different
(48:23):
you know the battlefield andthe ball field are not the same
thing but I've got this otherworld and so I poured everything
into that.
And I go up to seattle and I'mthere for five months and you
know, through training camp andthe preseason and, like I said,
I got to play in one game andthen eventually I got cut and it
was like not until that timethat I realized what could.
Now I don't have, um, thissense of purpose anymore.
(48:43):
I don't't have this uniform, Idon't have the reason to, you
know, to go train at 6am,whether it's with the military
or or with the football teamevery day.
Um, I could.
I mean, honestly, I could doanything I want, which is cool.
But it was also a little bitdaunting because I was just like
I don't know what to pick and Ikind of missed the locker room
(49:06):
and the brotherhood and all thatstuff.
And so that's what MVP was bornout of the idea of merging vets
and players, because athletesand vets while, as I mentioned,
the battlefield and the ballfield are completely different.
We would never compare war toplaying sports, the training,
the identity with that uniform,the team, the camaraderie, the
(49:30):
career.
Ending pretty young.
Generally you peak in your 20sor 30s.
That's rare.
I don't know if there's anyother profession out there where
you peak that young, becausephysically it's tough, those
jobs are so physical in natureand your body does break down
(49:51):
over time and slows down.
It's just the way it is.
If you even do those thingsinto your 40s, like you're an
anomaly and and look, you canstay in the military for a long
time, but like, are you going tobe on the team, you know.
Kicking doors down into yourforties?
Like not as often.
Right, yeah, and same withsports.
Like it is more rare.
(50:12):
You know, now you've got atleast half your life still left
and you feel like it's kind ofover.
You know or at least the goodstuff's over You'll never be
great again and that's a that'sa tough thing.
So both of these groups tend tofeel that often and that's why
they struggle a lot withtransition because also, not
only that, not only have youpeaked, but you're kind of
(50:36):
people really admire you.
You know everybody knows aboutathlete worship and role models
and things like that.
You know you're a pro athletelike that's amazing.
Everyone, everyone that you'reat a cocktail party, everybody
wants to talk to that person.
And then those of us in themilitary, a lot of times people
they can't even relate becausethey're just like oh my gosh,
you went to war.
Like that's insane, you know,and it kind of is to be honest.
(51:00):
So sometimes for us we alsofeel it's hard to relate to
other people.
How do I explain what I didwithout freaking this person out
or helping them at leastunderstand, because they're not
going to be able to fully relate.
So how do I kind of do that?
And it's tough and sometimespeople just choose to.
I'm just not going to do thatI'm just going to avoid that
conversation because it's justtoo hard to even compare.
(51:24):
I don't want to compare thingslike.
Nobody wants to.
People athletes often theydon't want to.
They struggle with this idea ofmerging vets and players because
they're like well I don't wantto compare what I did to what
somebody that went to war waswilling to die for their country
did, and I'm like, well, that'snot what we're saying.
We're not talking about that.
We're talking about about allthe other stuff the locker room,
the background behind it, whatyou have to sacrifice to be
(51:49):
elite, not just willing tosacrifice your life.
And eventually they kind ofcome around and they realize too
that these vets can help themwith their transition and they
can maybe help some of thesevets just by showing up and
being vulnerable and sharingtheir stories, and so that's
what we sort of created.
So we have chapters around thecountry and we'll meet up in the
(52:09):
gym or somewhere, usually dosomething physical in nature,
and then huddle up afterwardsand it's just open forum, air
out your shit peer-to-peer.
It doesn't all have to be heavy, it can be.
Just sometimes it's very lightand fun and we're just talking
crap, like we did in the lockerroom or in the team room and uh,
(52:30):
and yeah, it's a, uh, it's a,it's a cool, it's a great
organization.
I'm very proud to be a part ofit.
You know, uh, just like thebosley hair commercials, you
know, with uh, not only a member, I'm also a client or whatever.
I like being a part of thatteam more than I like being one
(52:51):
of the co-founders.
It is a special thing anddefinitely speaks to me because
I still feel like I got a lot ofgas in the tank.
I'm in my 40s now and I feellike I got a lot more that I
want to do moving forward and Ijust got to kind of harness that
(53:14):
same mindset and energy that Iutilized before um abilities,
but I've gained so many more,you know, mental and maybe
emotional abilities to be ableto transition that forward into
something else fantastic and I'mjust gonna ask everybody if you
(53:35):
want to know more about mvp oryour merging vets and players
from nate boyer, hit pause, gointo the description.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
we have links.
You'll be able to find outeverything you need to know and
can reach out support and youcan take it from there.
And also, don't forget to likeand subscribe the Asset Mindset
Podcast and share it with othersthat you think need a little
positive mindset in their life.
So before we wrap this up, nate, I definitely want to give you
an opportunity that if you couldpass on just one mindset
(54:08):
principle to the audience andthat they could walk away with,
what would you like them to have?
Like Nate's tip for life andmindset, I think a big one is is
listen to the universe.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
And I'm not saying don't do something unless you
get a sign like a clear sign.
Right, because I think peoplelike a magazine yeah, like a
magazine.
You know, uh, like, I think Ithink people get stuck in that
space too, where they're justwaiting for the perfect, like we
said, the perfect storm, um,but also they're like, well, you
(54:46):
know, god, just give me a signif I'm supposed to do this thing
.
Life doesn't work like that.
I don't know what everybodybelieves different things.
I don't know whatever theuniverse or God or whatever, I
don't know how they operateeither.
It can be very confusing attimes.
I think that people, uh, yeah,they just uh, they get stuck in
(55:13):
their head Like, okay, I got mydegree in this, I've got to do
that, like I, that's why I gotmy degree and that's all I know.
Or I served five years or 10years or 25 years in the
military and all I knew how todo these things.
And so the next point Itransitioned to in life I have
(55:35):
to, I have it has to be that ithas to be associated with that,
or I'm not going to besuccessful and you're just doing
yourself a huge disservice.
It's not true?
Like there's so many otherthings you have learned
throughout your life through thethings that you've done, the
things you've survived, thingsyou've overcome, um, that will
position you to do whatever itis that you want to do.
And like, for example, I I'm, Ico-founded a meat company.
(56:02):
Now, you know, and so we've got.
You know, I didn't know I wasgoing to get into that.
I didn't grow up thinking Iwould be involved in ranching in
any way, but I like to eat goodmeat and I like to know where
my meat comes from.
And, um, you know, I just hadmet some people that were
starting something up and I wasinterested in being a part of
that, and I spent time in Austin, so the universe had brought me
(56:24):
close to a lot of these cattleranches and and uh, and now you
know we've got a subscriptionmeat company.
It's like a veteran owned deal,um, and it's uh, and it's, it's
super interesting because Idon't know much about that world
, like I'm learning as I go.
And, uh, you know, I do knowwhat matters to me and what I
like, but now that's like becomea part of my, my life, and it
(56:48):
was all just because theuniverse had sort of put me in
this place for whatever reason,a series of choices, I guess,
that I've made in my life toothat brought me there.
But now that I'm here and it'slike here's this thing, like you
know why why not?
(57:31):
no-transcript, you know, fromfrom a family farm to your home.
And these two worlds arecompletely they have no
generally like they don't, theydon't connect.
I mean, I guess there'sstorytelling involved in
everything we do in life, butthey're very different people.
(57:53):
Nobody in those two groupsassociates with the other people
in the other groups, right, butI'm still a part of both of
those worlds and it's becausethose are things that both
interest me and I love and I'mpassionate about.
It's because those are thingsthat both interest me and I love
and I'm passionate about.
And the world has sort ofbrought me to those sectors or
(58:14):
whatever.
And why not, like, why can't Ijust do a little bit of both?
Why do I have to get stuck inmy?
You know, I got my undergraduatedegree in kinesiology, which
means I should be coaching orbeing a trainer or whatever.
I'm not doing any of that.
Nothing wrong with that, I lovethat stuff, but I'm just not
doing that.
It went another way because theuniverse kind of pulled me that
(58:34):
way.
So I think that that is the bigone.
I would say Just listen to theuniverse and just try things.
If you're interested insomething, just try it.
Just get out there and try it.
You never know what it'll leadto.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
Fantastic advice, Absolutely great advice and I
hope lots of success for themeat.
You know I'm a carnivore.
I only eat meat myself for overa year now.
So yeah, I have chickens.
I have a small herd.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
I'm probably not as cool as your ranchers.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah, I have dexter cattle.
I don't do angus, but yeah, Igot a herd of 13 cattle and
there's a bull.
I had four head drop this year,hopefully seven next year.
You have 50 acres and doing mything, you know so I love it, so
uh it's eight primal eight.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
primalcom is the website eight primalcom.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
All right for all you listeners out there.
You got to check it out.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
Please do, and let's connect offline on that stuff
also.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
Okay yeah, the Dexter cattle is great.
They're good for the family.
They're an old Irish heritagebreed.
Cool yeah, if anybody's curiousabout Dexter cattle, I know a
little something I cattle.
I know a little something.
I'm no expert but, like you,you got to take action.
So for everybody out therelistening, take action.
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Welcome to the Asset Mindset Podcast.
Today we have a very specialguest.
I'm super grateful you're here,my friend brother, so would you
please introduce yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, brother, appreciate you having me Nate
Boyer.
Born in Tennessee.
Born in Knoxville, tennessee,grew up mostly in the San
Francisco Bay Area.
After high school, moved to SanDiego, worked on a fishing boat
for a bit, then came up to LAand kind of did some odd jobs,
was interested in the film andtelevision world.
(00:39):
I think a lot of it was comingfrom a place of not really
liking my story or didn't thinkI'd have one and wanting to be a
part of maybe telling otherpeople's.
And then I was 20 years old,living in a shoebox apartment
and 9-11 happened.
Didn't join the military rightaway, but kind of got me
thinking about it.
(01:00):
Growing up, all I wanted to dowas be a professional athlete,
uh, but I wasn't the bestathlete in the world.
So that was tough.
I worked really hard but I justdidn't have the skills.
So it was like college afterhigh school didn't really seem
to make sense, cause I just Idon't know, I, I uh, I just I
didn't know where to direct thatenergy and yeah, so I was kind
(01:24):
of stumbling around Los Angelesliterally at times.
And then, yeah, after thetowers were hit.
I didn't join the militaryright away, but it got me
thinking about it and I startedbackpacking I would save my
money up and try to go explorethe world a bit and figure out
what was going on with it andeventually led me to doing some
(01:46):
relief work uh, in the darfurand some other areas, and after
my time there, not only knew Iwanted to join the military um,
but discovered what the greenrays actually do, what the army,
special forces, special Forcesjob actually is.
Unconventional warfare isobviously, it's obvious, but
(02:08):
it's a very vague term.
It means a lot of differentthings.
But what spoke to me the most,beyond the motto de oppresso
liber was, which means to freethe oppressed, was the foreign
internal defense element Workingalongside host nationals,
training, living with at timesand fighting alongside people
(02:29):
from other nations that you'remeant to either free or help
stand up a military that canhopefully at some point fight
for themselves.
It's obviously not alwayssuccessful, but you do what you
can.
That really appealed to mebecause if I was going to go to
war, I think I wanted to feellike I'm at least working hand
(02:51):
in hand with the people thatlived there and this is their
place, their home.
That made me feel a lot betterabout that mission and anyway.
So that's why I tried out forSpecial Forces and eventually
became a green beret Um.
After five years on active duty,I transitioned into the to 19
special forces group in theTexas national guard and walked
(03:13):
on to the football team at theuniversity of Texas.
Uh, so I was.
I was an old, old freshman, amuch older senior Um, but I
played there for for four years.
For four years and actuallywent back to Afghanistan a
couple of times while I was incollege, just on like three and
a half month deploymenttimeframes between spring
(03:35):
semester and fall semesterfootball season.
And then had a shot with theSeahawks in 2015 as a
34-year-old rookie.
Only played in one gamepreseason game.
I ended up getting releasedafter that.
But just to get that far, makethat level of cuts and have that
shot to play was pretty special.
And then since then I've kindof circled back to the
(03:58):
storytelling world, working infilm and television, saw him and
co-founded an organizationcalled Merging Vets and Players
MVP for short where we bringtogether combat vets and former
pro athletes and help them findpurpose and identity when they
lose a uniform, something thatI'd certainly needed when I was
coming out of the military andcoming out of sports.
So that's sort of the broad,long or short form story of how
(04:26):
we somewhat got where I am today, but I'm sure we'll dive deeper
into parts of that here andthere.
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And I got to say, brother, we're cut from the same
cloth, not just because we bothwore a long tab.
I did work in the DominicanRepublic in 2000.
Wow, One 9-11 happened.
Yeah, I helped build anorphanage in there.
I don't know what you.
I'm going to dive in a littlebit with DeFore.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah please.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So yeah, just very similar.
I was 27 when 9-11 happened andI walked in the recruiter's
office and I was like, hey, Iwant to sign up and I want to be
with these guys.
Thank you, yeah, I'm 50 thisyear, Not yet.
I got a couple weeks left still.
All right, cool Congrats.
But 1975 model, but yeah.
So very similar.
9-11 motivated me.
I did my research.
(05:14):
I'm like who do I want to bewith?
I'd already done somehumanitarian work down in the
Dominican Republic, living atthe orphanage with the people
and, like you, I really found,you know, working with the
locals or indigenous forces andthat very compelling like being
with the people and, of course,our motto De Oppressor Liber
(05:34):
that is so powerful to free theoppressed.
So let's go back to DeFore.
And when you were there, whatwere you doing?
And is that what sparked theGreen Beret thing?
Did you run across a team?
Or tell me about that?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't run into any Americanmilitary in person there, but
and I don't even know if we wereoperating in the region at the
time I mean, this was 2004 wassort of the height of the
genocide in the Darfur, which is, for people that don't know,
it's Western Sudan, on theborder of Chad and Sudan.
(06:09):
Essentially, at that time youcouldn't travel to Sudan.
There was a travel ban goinginto Sudan at all because they
were in the middle of a civilwar and it was just a very
volatile place.
So, unless you were with somesort of agency, I would imagine
you know, and there's, surelythere were some relief workers
(06:33):
that were in there and whatnot,but I don't, it was just a lot
tougher.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I'm sure you blended in really good right, you
blended right in.
Yeah, it looked like everybodythere.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But the way I got to the region was or at least to
the refugee camps just acrossthe Chadian border was through
Chad.
So I flew, I was able to get a60-day travel visa to go to Chad
and the capital is, I mean,it's very far from the Darfur.
It's a big country In northernAfrica, the countries are large.
(07:05):
Flying from the capital, kemena, to Abeshe, which is a town
that's closer to the borderwhere a lot of the refugee camps
sort of launched from Excuse me, the refugee workers, the
relief workers launched from togo to the refugee camps.
That was like a two or threehour flight on like a little
(07:27):
prop plane right from fromcapital out there, or like a 20
hour drive through the desertbecause there's no highway.
You know what I mean, it wasjust dirt roads and stuff like
that.
So it's a long.
It's a long, long way throughthe sahara essentially.
But that was sort of the onlyway I could get there.
I was in my early 20s.
(07:47):
I was in a place in my lifewhere I felt like I had a lot of
energy, as a lot of people doin their early 20s, and I had a
lot of passion and I wanted todo something I didn't
necessarily believe in myselfwhen it came to being in the
military generally, because, youknow, like I said, after nine,
11, I thought about it.
(08:09):
I thought about it multipletimes, but then I just would,
you know, that voice in my headwould kind of talk me out of it.
You know thinking, well, you're, who are you?
You're?
You know you're a 20 year oldidiot, that that doesn't that
didn't go to college.
You know that, uh, that youknow that wasn't able to earn a
scholarship in sports orwhatever.
So you're a failure and youcan't have people's lives in
(08:33):
your hand.
That's crazy.
You're going to screw it up andso, not being mature enough to
recognize that that voice is notreal, not being mature enough
to recognize that that voice isnot real, it's just, you know
it's, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's something that we hear,
um, and it's, it's in our heads.
(08:53):
It's not us.
You know the voice in your headis not you, um, but it's still
like dictated a lot of what Ididn't do, I shouldn't say I
should say more than what I didin life, and so I just kind of
held back and and continued on,you know, just stuck in the rut
and eventually, um, it was anumber of things that sort of
(09:14):
occurred at once, that kind ofgot me to this place of like I
got to get out of here, and oneof those was, you know, I was
just, really I was not good tomyself, like physically either.
I didn't.
It wasn't exercising, I waseating terrible, I was, you know
, drinking and partying like waytoo much.
Um, and I was like, you know, Idon't say running with the
(09:38):
wrong crowd, that's not correctbut I would not allow myself to
be around or spend too much timewith people that were doing the
right thing or being successful.
Because it made me feel guilty,because I'm like I know that you
know that imposter syndrome orwhatever that we all have.
It's like, oh, I'm a piece ofshit, I can't be hanging with
these people.
These are good people, theseare people that actually are,
you know, hardworking, pursuingtheir dreams, whatever that is.
(10:01):
And I'm like, who am I?
I pursuing their dreams,whatever that is.
And I'm like, who am I?
I'm an idiot, and so I would.
You know, I kind of did thatand it just kept me in this
negative space.
Um, and then one morning I wokeup on my buddy's couch after a
long night out and there was amagazine on the coffee table, a
time magazine, and on the coverwas this woman, skin and bones,
(10:25):
um, african woman, holding herchild who was either deceased or
soon to be.
And I was like, uh, you knowwhat is this about?
And it said the tragedy ofsudan was the title, and I
started flipping through andreading that, that, the article,
and looking at the images.
The images spoke to me more oras much as the words did.
Um, and I just felt called, youknow, sort of compelled to go
(10:51):
do that.
And I just kind of made a snapdecision in that moment.
Usually in life, even in in,when I make a decision about
something, when I say like I'mgoing to do this, I do it, you
know, or at least try, and I mayfail, but like I'm going to go
for it.
So I went down to the travelagency, the AAA, and asked about
plane tickets to this place,you know.
(11:12):
And they're like well, youcan't fly to Sudan, you got to.
The only way to get there isthrough Chad.
But like, why do you want to go?
You're not with an, you're notwith an organization.
You should call these NGOs andsee if you can go with you know.
So I called all the NGOs.
They were like well, you don'thave a college degree, you don't
have any special skills, it'snot that simple, it's very
complicated to go help.
And so I just was like well,all right, I'm just going to go
(11:37):
anywhere, I'm just going tofigure it out and I'll get there
and we'll see what happens.
See what happens.
And uh, and that's.
I mean, that's ultimately whatI what I did.
I got the plane ticket, I got avisa from the consulate in Los
Angeles.
I just kind of went into theoffice and said what do I got to
fill out?
How do I get documents I need?
Flew over there to the Capitoland then, just at the airport,
(12:00):
talked my way onto a UN flightflight, one of those little
propeller planes.
I was talking about a unhcr,united nations high commission
for refugees.
They had one seat on the plane.
You know, I was a young guy withnot a lot of stuff.
There was other people tryingto get on that plane too that
were like journalists, with, youknow, cameras hanging off their
neck and all this gear, and Ithink the person with the
(12:23):
manifest that day was just like,well, this guy's here to here
to volunteer, these people arehere to document it, which is
important.
I mean, you know, I think it'simportant that journalism exists
and we need to know what'sgoing on in the world.
But I got lucky and I got theseat on the bird, so I got to go
over there and then, you know,got interrogated and all that
fun stuff once I got there,because people were like, what
(12:45):
are you doing here?
Who are you, you know?
And I just kind of talked myway into it and I was just
honest.
I just told him like, hey, thisis me, I don't have a lot to
offer, but like you also needthese sites built, you know,
ditches dug, people that spendtime with the thousands, if not
millions, of kids that were likeeverywhere out in this place
(13:07):
it's almost all women andchildren.
And you know, I workedconstruction, some.
I've done all kinds of you knowodd jobs.
I can figure things out Like,just let me help and I don't
want anything, I'll sleep on it.
You don't even need to put meup, I'll figure it out.
You know which I?
I did.
I ended up sleeping on theground with some of the people
there.
You know, I had a mosquito netand, um, this, uh, just rolled a
(13:31):
shirt up and another shirt madea pillow and it was like this
is where I'm living, um, and itwas cool, it was like those.
Those those two monthscompletely transformed me in so
many ways, and in the mostimportant ways was just
realizing that if you just kindof show up and try, you know,
(13:52):
and just like, take, get on thatflight, like things happen.
You know what I mean, and youjust got to go.
When you wait for the perfect,perfect, whatever opportunity
and all the, all the stars toalign, like it's just they don't
, that doesn't happen,unfortunately, and then you end
up just not doing whatever thatthing is, um, but it was, yeah,
(14:13):
through that trip and and, uh,and just the gratitude that
people expressed over there, um,and I wasn't doing anything
special, I was just there, I wasjust helping.
Anybody could have done what Iwas doing.
And then the last week I was incountry, even though I took doxy
, I got malaria.
And this local family put me upyeah, it was not fun, it was,
(14:35):
you know, if you've had COVID,it was like 10x.
You know it was rough.
This family put me up.
They wouldn't take anything.
Uh, they wouldn't.
You know, I didn't have muchmoney but they wouldn't take a
dollar anyway.
And, uh, they took care of meand his local family and they
put a little radio next to mybed so I had something to listen
(14:56):
to for those three or four dayswhere I was just, you know, I
couldn't even hold water down.
And, uh, the only station thatcame through the radio was BBC
news.
And the second and the onlystation that came through on the
radio was BBC News and theSecond Battle of Fallujah was
going on right at that time.
So I was listening to theplay-by-play of the Second
Battle of Fallujah in 2004, andI just made the decision right
then and there, when I come backto the States, I'm going to
(15:21):
join the military.
I thought I was going to be inthe Marines first, because they
were the main effort in thatbattle, and I came back and
studied up a bit, went to therecruiting office just didn't
have a great experience and Iwas like frustrated, disgruntled
, you know, like dang.
I thought this was going to beit.
I'm not feeling it.
And then another magazineappeared at a car dealership
(15:43):
when I was getting my oilchanged and on the cover was
this these special forces,forces dudes, faster up and out
of the helicopter.
And I don't remember what itwas titled, but it was talking
about the 18X-ray program,essentially the Special Forces
Babies program.
For those that don't know whatthat is you come in off the
street if you qualify.
That is, you come in off thestreet if you qualify and you go
(16:06):
to basic training, airborneschool, a pre-selection course,
and then special forcesselection and if you get
selected, you start your roughlyyear-and-a-half-long training
to become a Green Beret.
So, yeah, I read about themission, I read about what we
were talking about earlierforeign, internal defense and de
oppresso libero and all thesethings and it just was like
(16:28):
everything I was reading I waslike yes, yes, yes, like that is
it.
And uh, so I went to the armyrecruiting office and that's
what I want to do.
And you know, they tried tosell me on five other things and
I was like nope, I don't wantthat.
I don't want that, I don't.
I just want to do I don't careif the bonus isn't as big, it's
fine, this is what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what they did to me.
I'm a 18 X-ray SF baby, tooCool.
So I'm sopsy mafia, all thethings you know.
But uh, I just went through alittle before you did.
That's so funny.
I love how you take action,brother.
You see something and you go.
(17:07):
I think you said something verypowerful that maybe I'd like
you to share a little more indepth.
You said things don't have tobe perfect.
If you're waiting for stuff tobe perfect, you're going to be
sitting there waiting.
You have to act.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's never going to happen.
I mean, yeah, the perfectconditions, they never arrive.
I mean, that's the same withany mission you're conducting in
a combat scenario, or itdoesn't have to be a combat
scenario Any mission you'reconducting in the military or in
life.
It's like you're only incontrol of so much.
(17:48):
We all are like that's just theway it is, um, but you're
always in control of how youprepare, you know, and the
attitude you maintain and youknow all those things.
That's why in the military,they're always preaching right
time, right place, right uniform, because those are simple
things that you can control forthe most part.
(18:10):
And everything else is just likeit's up to the universe and you
know.
Like you can be upset about it.
You can be mad about the resultor mad about, oh man, like you
know, blaming the weather orother people or whatever that is
, but it's not going to changeanything.
And what's worse than that iswhen you don't even try, when
(18:35):
you just you spend your wholelife, you know, waiting for your
bank account to be big enoughor whatever that is to go.
Do the thing that you want todo more than anything else, the
thing that you love, and thenone day.
Um, you know we're all gonna dieand you, you're so lucky if you
(18:56):
get to live a full life andkind of know that that's coming
soon, instead of it justhappening all of a sudden.
But just imagine being at thatstage in your life and you're
looking back on all those thingsyou wish you would have tried,
even if you didn't complete them.
I don't even want to say thethings you wish you would have
done, but the things you wishyou would have at least learned
(19:20):
about and been exposed to, andfeeling regretful and that's
like that's.
That's like the saddest thingto me, you know, is is that yeah
, you don't want to have regret.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Nobody wants to look back at their life and the what
ifs I could have, I should havelike you, got to go, you got to
try, and if people can get thatmindset at a younger age, which
sounds like you did I mean youwere 20 and you were going out
across the world you know tohelp people and that which I can
see, why you were successful asa Green Beret.
You know like you.
(19:54):
Just you make stuff happen andpeople need to understand they
have the power to do it.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
That's a big thing too.
It's a that's a big thing tooLike with with us, I think,
people.
I think people assume we're,all you know, like elite, uh, as
(20:23):
far as our physical and mentalcondition and our intelligence,
and you know, we all train hardtogether and we all have
different skill sets and andwhatever, and for the most part
we're pretty collaborative inthe special forces.
You know, like it's theopposite of much of the military
, where we sort of welcome beinga little bit different, you
know, and kind of thinking aboutthings different, because now
(20:44):
you've got some different waysof approaching things versus
like we're going to train you todo it this way and only this
way, um, and so that's likethat's great.
But if you took a lineup of theguys that had an 18 x-ray
contract at the beginning ofbasic training or even at
selection, and you tried to pickjust by looks, you know who who
(21:06):
was going to be the, the 20that make it all the way through
, or whatever the number is, andyou're gonna, you're gonna pick
some of them will be right, butmost of them you probably won't
pick correctly.
You know it's crazy.
I just remember when the peoplethat were tapping out, I'm like
that guy's tapping out, thatguy's a beast, he looks like it
anyway, you know.
And then some like frumpy guythat you just unassuming you
(21:28):
know that, and he just neverquit.
And he just made a decision andcommitted to it.
And you know, all of a suddenhe's, he's getting his long tab
too, you know, and you're likedamn all right, that's the guy I
want at the end of the day,that's the guy I want alongside
me too.
I don't care what they looklike, I don't care, not quite
attitude Exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, I have a similar thing that I talked
about in my book, the AssetMindset with.
There was this black hat.
So you know, you go to airborneschool first or not?
Well, there was this black hatthat was preaching to us about
you're going to be a paratrooper, you're the percent, you know
(22:10):
whatever, 6% of the army, blah,blah, blah.
And he ended up being in myselection class with me.
I mean, this guy was a stud,perfect, 300 PT score, all the
things.
I'm like, oh, he's going tomake it.
He quit.
He didn't even make it throughthe course, he quit.
And I was like, wow.
And then there was this otherguy, like you said, unassuming,
not very big in stature, he wasnot very built either, but he
had the heart of a lion and theyalways tried to weigh him down,
(22:32):
you know, with batteries, ammo.
Give him the 240, bravo, youknow trying to make him quick.
And he never quit.
I mean he ended up going acrossthe fence.
That's where he's working now.
I mean he's just had that muchof the warrior spirit.
So yeah, I think people need torealize you don't have to
necessarily look the part to beelite.
You can have a mindset, andthat's really what separates.
(22:56):
Can you share like a momentwhen you first realized you were
mentally stronger than yourcircumstances?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, I mean there's probably a lot of those over the
years.
Let's see.
I would say I mean ones thatreally stand out are in training
.
I guess I think that would bean easy one for me to identify,
because when I joined themilitary I was not in good shape
.
I'd stopped working out andplaying sports and all that and
(23:29):
I didn't.
I didn't get.
I wasn't overweight, I wasunderweight, I was just like a
rail and you know I rolled myown cigarettes and ate like crap
and just like didn't.
You know, didn't, uh, I don'tknow, it was nowhere near in the
type of shape you should be.
To try out for Special Forcesand getting to basic training,
(23:52):
back then I think we had 14weeks between basic and infantry
school and then another threeweeks in airborne school before
you go off to selection.
So basically 17 weeks, fourmonths to kind of get yourself
ready or let other people getyou ready.
A little bit of both, I guess,but but yeah, those, those first
(24:17):
three weeks in basic were thehardest for me because it was
like you know, even though Iwasn't fat, it was like fat camp
.
It was like I'm now eating atthese times of the day and
eating what they serve me andI've got three minutes to eat it
, um, and then you know, beforeand after we're doing pull-ups
(24:40):
and pushups and then we got a 10mile run at you know six in the
morning tomorrow and like allthese things that you're sort of
forced to do, that you were, Iwas just not prepared for, but
you know, but just had to do it,you just have to do.
You don't have a choice, youknow, you just like get other
(25:01):
people doing it with you and Iguess you'd have somewhat of a
choice.
Some people just quit, you know, or stopped, or whatever, but
um, but then you know,eventually you're putting on,
you know, heavy rucksacks andand roaming around, uh, uh, the
tank trails out there andwhatnot, and you're always with
like a group, but then you getoff, you get through all that
(25:22):
stuff and you get througheveryone's school and you're
going off like special forceselection.
Now you're on your own, you knowand you're, you know you're
doing land navigation, longdistances, with a compass and a
map and a grid coordinate, andI'd never read a map before.
You know, I didn't know how toplot a grid and all this stuff
and, um, or you know you'redoing that and you're trying to
(25:44):
figure this out and it's likesometimes you're doing it in the
middle of the night andsometimes it's middle of the day
or whatever, but you're alwaysby yourself and you can't use
the roads.
I mean, you can use the roads,you just can't be on the roads
and you've got to figure allthis stuff out.
I'm smart in some ways and verystupid in others, and some of
(26:04):
this stuff, and I think a lot ofthat's just, yeah, once again,
it's just, you know, insecurityor fear or whatever, just like
you don't perform well whenyou're feeling all those things,
when all those things not justfeeling them when those things
are sort of the dominant feeling, because you become a little
bit paralyzed, you know.
And so I just I remember havingto have those moments, even in
(26:27):
just in selection, early on,before I went overseas or
anything like that, where youknow I'm, I'm like I'm, I'm
scared not scared for my life,not scared that I'm going to get
lost, scared that I'm not goingto make it, I'm going to get
cut, you know and scared for,like, for for that, that feeling
, that regret that I might feel,and, uh, still having all this
(26:50):
stuff built up and then, like,thinking about how much farther
I gotta go.
You know, I've only gone acouple hundred yards from my
last point and I've got, youknow, 10 clicks, 15 clicks still
to go to get to this otherpoint, through these mountains
and all these things, and uh,and all of that noise kind of
(27:12):
flooding in, and you know, yousee, why people quit and and and
why they, whether theyphysically quit or just kind of
mentally quit, and you know,don't really go for it.
And then I would just have to,like, I'd have to like take a
breath, think about the realityof things, think about how, uh,
(27:34):
sad and heartbroken I would beif I didn't just go for it right
, and like, oh, I mean just andjust kind of going, running
through that.
And so it all happens veryquickly.
You know, it's not like I'msitting there for hours
contemplating these things, butlike just remembering that, no
matter what, I'm going to feelmore regret, more shame, more,
(27:58):
whatever these things are, if Ichoose to quit or if I just kind
of like shut down.
You know, then, if I just likekeep going and sure enough, like
you just like, all right, youknow, f, this I'm just going to,
this is my grid, this is theazimuth I'm shooting.
Just, you know, just put yourstuff away and just run for a
(28:18):
little bit, even though you gotthis.
You know heavy, pack on andyou're, you're wet because it's
raining and you're in you knowuncomfortable uniform and boots
and whatever.
And you're in, you're trippingevery other step and just like
go, just like don't think aboutthat stuff, just like go.
And then you get to the next,like ridgeline, and you like
(28:38):
look back and see how far you'vecame and you're like, oh man,
I've actually covered someground, you know, and you feel
that like a little glimmer of,um, I guess, confidence, and uh,
and then you're like okay, andyou're like, do your next deal.
You know what's the nextkilometer?
Look like I still have 15 ofthese or 14 of these maybe now,
but what's the next one?
Look like, and then after awhile, you've come a lot farther
(29:01):
than you realize because youjust kept moving.
You you're having those, maybethose not so fun internal
conversations, but you're movingwhile you're doing this, you
know what I mean.
You're not sitting there, um,waiting for your attitude to
change, you're just continuingforward and eventually, like
that stuff goes away and overtime those internal
(29:23):
conversations happen less andless you know what I mean and
becomes like it's who you are,you know.
It becomes such a habit that itchanges not only your behavior
but like your mindset, you know,and your belief in that, and
like what makes you you.
Uh, I'm not going to say thatthis stuff ever becomes like
easy Cause.
(29:43):
I think it's still reallychallenging.
But when you have that part umthe mental side I don't want to
say mastered, because I don'tthink anybody ever has it
mastered but when you have itunder control and you know how
to respond when those negativethoughts come in, you know what
(30:04):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
It's an inner dialogue.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, exactly Cause you're like I've been here
before and I've had thisconversation with myself before
and what did I do then?
I kept going and what ended uphappening?
I got through it and it was allgood and I actually felt pretty
damn good about myself becauseI didn't let that voice win.
You know what I mean?
I just kept going.
Eventually it shuts up andyou're just like, oh my gosh
crazy.
(30:32):
But it sounds like a littlething, maybe, and maybe it
sounds like a silly thing, but Ithink a lot of people suffer
from that, whether they're inthe military or doing anything
physical in nature or not,because they just like that it
has too much control, you know,it has too much agency in your
mind.
Um, that voice and you just letit, you just let it dictate
(30:56):
your, your every move, or evensome of your moves, and that
sucks, you know that reallysucks.
So it's like I just rememberthose moments early on, through
especially selection and evenmore of the Q course and other
things, and even eventually ondeployments and missions, where
it's like you got a 72 hourmission, you're getting heloed
into an area you got to walk tothis spot you may get shot at,
(31:19):
especially once the sun comes up.
And then you got a strong pointat this house for the entirety
of the day and then the nextnight you move to another one.
You're, you know, you'relooking for a specific
individual, maybe, or a smallgroup, and you may end up
finding nobody and you may endup getting into, you know, a nun
fight.
All these things may happen andyou're not really sleeping.
If anything, you're nodding offhere and there for a bit when
(31:44):
you can, when you're not, youknow, know, actively pulling
security and uh, and all of that.
And it's like, if you look at itfrom an outside perspective as
a whole, without the training oreverything, it just seems
insane, like it seems crazy, itseems impossible, it seems like
how far did you guys go?
And like where were you?
And you know, all these thingsdon't match up but like because
(32:07):
you put yourself in thosesituations before and you
trained properly, um, and you'rewith other people, uh, that did
the same thing as you.
So it's not, it's not somethingyou're having to do alone.
You just sort of build thisresiliency, you know, within
your brain, um, and you're ableto kind of take that breath for
(32:28):
a quick second and like like allright, we're good, like just
think about you know all theseother things that are going
right and and what you do haveat your disposal, and like what
you're good at, and all thewhile you just continue kind of
moving forward.
Yeah, that's uh.
So I guess it's not like onespecific, but that's just how
that sort of that arc umdeveloped within me.
(32:50):
It was started in training andcontinued on and then it
continued on to football.
After that, like I never wouldhave tried to play football at
that age or probably any age umat that level anywhere without
uh gone through, having gonethrough uh the you know the
training that I experienced andovercoming that negative voice
(33:15):
in their head.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Fighting that inner dialogue was definitely, I think
, something that was for youchallenging and it is for
everybody.
So do you have any specifictechniques?
I know you talked about hey,the next ridgeline, or looking
back, but a lot of people dohave that voice in their head,
like you and I do, that innerdialogue that they're battling.
(33:36):
What do you think is the besttrick or tip that you can share
with the audience to combat thatvoice in your head?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Um, well, I think doing hard things is really
important and doesn't have to bephysical.
Again, I think that's an easyway to to start to overcome that
voice, though, um, I just think, generally human beings like
we're meant to, we're meant toto to do hard things, you know,
(34:09):
uh, we're meant to uh becausewe're, we still have survival
instincts within us and we livein a world and a time when, yeah
, like it's a nightmare, but youknow you can also, it's not too
hard if you live in a place,like we do anyway, to access
(34:33):
food and clean water and shelterand clothing of those survival
instincts or at least you know,dilutes them, but we still have
(34:55):
them in us.
So our bodies, like we're,we're, we're search.
I think we're searching forlike something there and that's
why we gravitate towards, youknow, when it comes to movies
like sex and violence andanything that like raises those,
you know whatever.
I'm not a scientist, but youknow people talk about serotonin
(35:16):
and dopamine and all thesethings.
But, like you know, thatfeeling the best way for me to
break it down in layman's termsis that feeling, that rush, that
we feel, that adrenaline rushor whatever we love that feeling
, right, I mean, sometimes it'sscary.
But why do we watch scarymovies?
Who wants to have nightmares?
But it's because we like thatfeeling and I think that harkens
to our animal instincts ofwanting to survive things and
(35:40):
wanting to, or not wanting to,but needing to, needing to kind
of be on the lookout and likeall that stuff.
So to sort of feed that part ofus, I think we need to do, um,
do difficult things, and a lotof times it doesn't make sense
to for it to be somethingphysical in nature.
Maybe it's, you know, running amarathon or you know, climbing
(36:04):
a mountain or whatever.
It doesn't have to be some likecrazy fitness goal, um, but
like something that you're notquite sure you can do.
Or when you look at it and takea step back and look at it,
you're like, dang, that lookscrazy, that looks really hard,
that looks impossible, um, butthen you start to take the steps
towards that, whether they'rephysical steps to climb the
mountain, uh, or um, you knowsome type of step to to go, you
(36:30):
know, seek out that I don't knowthat dream job, or write that
letter, um, to that person thatyou need to like reconcile with
right, something like that,where it's like an uncomfortable
situation where it's, it'ssomething that's very hard to do
and it's not convenient,because life, for the most part,
(36:51):
is very comfortable andconvenient.
When you look at the past, youknow what I mean to where we are
today, and I think that we'restill human beings, like we're
still animals, and we still havethese instincts, and I think we
have to like, uh, listen tothose at some level and like,
(37:11):
make sure that those are cateredto is not the right phrasing,
but I tended to in some way.
You know what I mean, and Ithink it's important for young
people too, especially todaywith, like, the digital age I'm
like everybody's on an iPad andgaming and all this stuff, which
I don't think there's.
Those are all negatives.
I think there's very cool stuffwithin that.
Look, we're we're doing thispodcast right now, you know, and
(37:32):
we've never met in person andwe're like having this in-depth
conversation that's reallyinteresting and really cool, but
also like we need to be doingthese other things that do speak
to our, our instincts, you know.
And so I think that I thinkthat that is, you know, an
important step to kind of getout of that, uh, get out of your
(37:53):
own way somewhat, do somethingor try to do something.
You don't think you can do.
You know you don't, you're notsure you can complete If you
know you can do it.
I'm not saying don't do thosethings also, but if you know you
can, you know you can run amarathon, like, like it's not as
, you're not crying when youcross the finish line, if as
much as you know, if you didn't,if you weren't sure, if you
(38:14):
were, like I would, I think Ican do this maybe, but I don't
know.
Like that's so hard, you know.
And then you just like start totrain for it and prepare for it
, and then you go do it and youfinish.
You're like, oh, my god, I coulddo that.
Like what?
What can I do now?
You know, and all of a sudden,like this, the, the miles get
longer, you know, the, the, uh,the dream gets bigger and you
(38:37):
continue to fill that space ifyou keep going towards it,
working towards it, and all of asudden you're, you're becoming
the person you dreamt of.
You know, the person you wishyou were At least trying to do
the things that you have alwayswanted to do.
And I don't know what themeaning of life is.
I certainly am not a bigphilosopher or anything like
that.
I don't know the point to allof this.
(39:00):
I have existential crisis allthe time Crises, but it does.
I I think, I feel comfort.
I feel comfort in doing thoseuncomfortable things and um
living that way at least some ofthe time.
You know, I also like to sit onthe couch and do nothing and
watch a movie.
Like don't get me wrong, I'mnot, I don't need to do the.
(39:23):
You know, the wake up at 4 amevery day.
Do the thing.
I don't need to wake up at 4 amevery day and do the thing.
I don't need to do.
That Some people do.
I don't need that.
Sometimes I like to sleep in,but I need to sprinkle in really
tough stuff in my life, reallyhard things, and I choose
because I love to be outside, Ilove to get away from the
concrete jungle and get awayfrom the digital stuff and get
(39:44):
away from the digital stuff.
So I love to go out and hike orrun or get lost a little bit and
do things like that that arebig and kind of scary, along
with trying to make movies anddoing these things.
A few years ago I'd be like Ican't direct a movie, I don't
know anything about that.
And then I just went down thepath.
(40:05):
For a few years I did Not thebest movie in the world, but I'm
proud of it.
You know, and we, we, uh, wedid it and now we're doing more.
You know, I could have just aseasily actually it would have
been easier to just say like no,that's for super artistic
(40:26):
people that are way smarter thanme, that's not for me, um.
But then you meet those people,even some of the greats you
know, and you're like oh they'rethey.
They have insecurities too andworries and and they all you
know they feel similarly as well.
They just went for it.
They just chose to go for it.
Now we've built up in our headsthat these people are elite in
(40:47):
some way and it's like maybethey are smarter than you or
more creative and artistic orwhatever, but maybe they're not.
You know, there's plenty ofpeople doing that stuff too that
aren't.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah.
So what do you think reallyseparates the people that
achieve success and the onesthat don't?
I mean, is it luck?
Is it it talent?
Is it hard work?
What?
What would you say?
Is the like, the special sauceif someone's listening and they
want to reach a goal or attainsuccess in some field?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
yeah, and luck is certainly part of that.
But I'll tell you what like,and you eventually, you know
luck.
Eventually, the ball eventuallybounces your way if you're out
on the field enough.
You know what I mean.
Like I have, I remember gettingthis fortune cookie when I was
in college and it was myfavorite one ever.
The what do you call it?
(41:38):
The fortune?
I guess the piece of paper inthe cookie.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I can't think of what those things are called.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
The fortune.
The fortune I got was it justjust said luck helps those who
help themselves, and what thatmeant to me was just like, yeah,
like there is such a thing andyou do need to get lucky in some
ways when it comes to thescoreboard.
Right, the result like that's,that's you can.
You can go as hard as you can,do the best that you can and you
may best that you can, and youmay never win, but you might
(42:10):
sometimes if you put yourselfout there enough and you go out
there enough and try enough, andyou'll probably get it.
No matter what the thing is, ifit's challenging, you're going
to lose more than you win.
You just have to accept that.
That's the reality.
That's just what's going tohappen and that's totally fine.
It actually makes the wins feelthat much better, but and
that's totally fine it actuallymakes the wind feel that much
better.
But you've got to keep showingup and doing that.
But eventually the ball willbounce your way.
(42:32):
But are you going to be readywhen it does?
Are you going to be prepared?
And if you're putting yourselfout there and you're continuing
to work and follow that journeyand eventually it will, but say
that it doesn't say that itnever does, you know, say you
never get that that opportunityto, you know, show your true
(42:55):
colors, or whatever I'm, youknow I'm trying to say like that
it doesn't happen, so what?
Like you and everybody who theball did bounce to are also
gonna they, you're all going togo, you're all going to be gone
one day and no one's going toremember or care about who won,
who lost.
What we're going to rememberare the people that inspired us,
(43:18):
the people that we knew wecould rely on, the people that
we admired because they, theyput the effort in, they went all
they.
Effort in, they went all they,you know, they went for it.
That's why we love underdogs somuch.
We don't love we don't, wedon't we, we, we don't, you know
, honor the people that are justsuper, super talented, as much
(43:41):
as the ones who had their backagainst the wall the Rocky story
, you know and somehow gotthrough it.
And Rocky in the wall the rockystory, you know, and somehow
got through it.
Rocky in the original, rockyloses, you know what I mean.
But like, why do we love thatcharacter?
Because they were an underdogand because they gave everything
.
They went all in and theydidn't.
They kept getting up and theygot knocked down over and over
(44:02):
and they kept getting up likethat's what matters at the, it's
not the achievement, it's notthe success, it's not whether
luck you get that lucky hand ornot, that's not, at the end of
the day, that's not what matters.
I've achieved some cool thingsin life, but I've also been cut
a lot and failed a lot, and Ilearned more in those instances.
(44:22):
And also, when I look back,that was just a more enjoyable
time, because usually that wassomething that was, you know, it
was, it was harder, it wassomething that that, uh, I, I
knew I probably wasn't going tobe able to achieve, but I still
went for it.
And most of the time you don't,um, you know, get the gold
medal or whatever, but it wasthe work that I put in and it
(44:45):
was the relationships andfriendships that I made over
that time and it was the self,the pride in myself, like,
looking back, like man, youdidn't quit.
You know you kept going and youlike that's crazy, you got that
far, you know you gotta, yougotta acknowledge that stuff.
So, anyway, I mean, I think thatthat's that's something that is
important, because if you don't, if you choose to, to not help
(45:08):
yourself, like luck, certainlynot gonna, it's definitely not
gonna find that like the ballwas never.
If you're not on the field, theball cannot bounce your way, um
, but also, like you're gonna wetalked about it earlier like
you're going to, there's a goodchance that one day you're gonna
reflect and look back andyou're gonna say, like man, I
had an opportunity to go do somepretty cool stuff and I never
(45:31):
did it and that sucks.
I wish I would have.
Like just thinking about thatbreaks my heart.
Like I don't want to.
You know, I don't want to bethat person.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, exactly Like.
How long can you dwell onsomething with a what?
If, yeah, you can be older andjust.
You can do it forever, Exactly.
So no, I love that you takeaction and I want to get more
into the merging vets andplayers.
Share a little bit about that.
What inspired you to that?
(46:00):
Because it sounds like you'rementoring and inspiring and
bringing people together.
Team building, building like alot of positive work here.
So share with the audience whatyou got going on yeah,
absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
You know, as I mentioned, after I came off
active duty, I went to college,university of texas never, never
, uh, lived in texas before my.
It was my first time out inAustin.
It was a great experience.
This was back in 2010.
I get there, I cross over.
Now I'm in National Guard.
(46:34):
I'm still wearing that uniform,but more often I'm wearing a
jersey.
Now I was fortunate to make theteam and ended up starting my
last three years as the longsnapper for the Longhorns, and
so in the summer I'm goingoverseas and through the rest of
(46:54):
the season or the year I'mplaying football in the fall,
going to class.
In spring we got spring balland I'm doing some of my annual
training with the military, andso I got the football locker
room, I got the team room withSF and then in 2014, in my
(47:18):
senior year, I had just comeback from Afghanistan that
summer.
It was kind of a crazydeployment.
It was my last deployment andit was was also uh, you know, we
got into it quite a bit.
I think it was maybe because wewere.
It was the end of, I guess,offensive operations, the
military and kind oftransitioning into a pure train
advisor assist role.
So I get back and you know, Ifinished out my senior year and,
(47:41):
uh, I think football's overafter we're done and I get this
opportunity to sign as anunder-acted free agent with the
Seahawks and get the opportunityto go up to Seattle and
continue playing.
And when that happened I said,well, I'm moving to Seattle now,
so I'm not going to reenlist inthe National Guard, so I'm done
with the military.
(48:01):
So I kind of put that aside,not really thinking much about
it, missed certain things aboutit.
But I've got this other uniformand team and structure and
purpose and you know, mission,even though it's quite different
(48:23):
you know the battlefield andthe ball field are not the same
thing but I've got this otherworld and so I poured everything
into that.
And I go up to seattle and I'mthere for five months and you
know, through training camp andthe preseason and, like I said,
I got to play in one game andthen eventually I got cut and it
was like not until that timethat I realized what could.
Now I don't have, um, thissense of purpose anymore.
(48:43):
I don't't have this uniform, Idon't have the reason to, you
know, to go train at 6am,whether it's with the military
or or with the football teamevery day.
Um, I could.
I mean, honestly, I could doanything I want, which is cool.
But it was also a little bitdaunting because I was just like
I don't know what to pick and Ikind of missed the locker room
(49:06):
and the brotherhood and all thatstuff.
And so that's what MVP was bornout of the idea of merging vets
and players, because athletesand vets while, as I mentioned,
the battlefield and the ballfield are completely different.
We would never compare war toplaying sports, the training,
the identity with that uniform,the team, the camaraderie, the
(49:30):
career.
Ending pretty young.
Generally you peak in your 20sor 30s.
That's rare.
I don't know if there's anyother profession out there where
you peak that young, becausephysically it's tough, those
jobs are so physical in natureand your body does break down
(49:51):
over time and slows down.
It's just the way it is.
If you even do those thingsinto your 40s, like you're an
anomaly and and look, you canstay in the military for a long
time, but like, are you going tobe on the team, you know.
Kicking doors down into yourforties?
Like not as often.
Right, yeah, and same withsports.
Like it is more rare.
(50:12):
You know, now you've got atleast half your life still left
and you feel like it's kind ofover.
You know or at least the goodstuff's over You'll never be
great again and that's a that'sa tough thing.
So both of these groups tend tofeel that often and that's why
they struggle a lot withtransition because also, not
only that, not only have youpeaked, but you're kind of
(50:36):
people really admire you.
You know everybody knows aboutathlete worship and role models
and things like that.
You know you're a pro athletelike that's amazing.
Everyone, everyone that you'reat a cocktail party, everybody
wants to talk to that person.
And then those of us in themilitary, a lot of times people
they can't even relate becausethey're just like oh my gosh,
you went to war.
Like that's insane, you know,and it kind of is to be honest.
(51:00):
So sometimes for us we alsofeel it's hard to relate to
other people.
How do I explain what I didwithout freaking this person out
or helping them at leastunderstand, because they're not
going to be able to fully relate.
So how do I kind of do that?
And it's tough and sometimespeople just choose to.
I'm just not going to do thatI'm just going to avoid that
conversation because it's justtoo hard to even compare.
(51:24):
I don't want to compare thingslike.
Nobody wants to.
People athletes often theydon't want to.
They struggle with this idea ofmerging vets and players because
they're like well I don't wantto compare what I did to what
somebody that went to war waswilling to die for their country
did, and I'm like, well, that'snot what we're saying.
We're not talking about that.
We're talking about about allthe other stuff the locker room,
the background behind it, whatyou have to sacrifice to be
(51:49):
elite, not just willing tosacrifice your life.
And eventually they kind ofcome around and they realize too
that these vets can help themwith their transition and they
can maybe help some of thesevets just by showing up and
being vulnerable and sharingtheir stories, and so that's
what we sort of created.
So we have chapters around thecountry and we'll meet up in the
(52:09):
gym or somewhere, usually dosomething physical in nature,
and then huddle up afterwardsand it's just open forum, air
out your shit peer-to-peer.
It doesn't all have to be heavy, it can be.
Just sometimes it's very lightand fun and we're just talking
crap, like we did in the lockerroom or in the team room and uh,
(52:30):
and yeah, it's a, uh, it's a,it's a cool, it's a great
organization.
I'm very proud to be a part ofit.
You know, uh, just like thebosley hair commercials, you
know, with uh, not only a member, I'm also a client or whatever.
I like being a part of thatteam more than I like being one
(52:51):
of the co-founders.
It is a special thing anddefinitely speaks to me because
I still feel like I got a lot ofgas in the tank.
I'm in my 40s now and I feellike I got a lot more that I
want to do moving forward and Ijust got to kind of harness that
(53:14):
same mindset and energy that Iutilized before um abilities,
but I've gained so many more,you know, mental and maybe
emotional abilities to be ableto transition that forward into
something else fantastic and I'mjust gonna ask everybody if you
(53:35):
want to know more about mvp oryour merging vets and players
from nate boyer, hit pause, gointo the description.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
we have links.
You'll be able to find outeverything you need to know and
can reach out support and youcan take it from there.
And also, don't forget to likeand subscribe the Asset Mindset
Podcast and share it with othersthat you think need a little
positive mindset in their life.
So before we wrap this up, nate, I definitely want to give you
an opportunity that if you couldpass on just one mindset
(54:08):
principle to the audience andthat they could walk away with,
what would you like them to have?
Like Nate's tip for life andmindset, I think a big one is is
listen to the universe.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
And I'm not saying don't do something unless you
get a sign like a clear sign.
Right, because I think peoplelike a magazine yeah, like a
magazine.
You know, uh, like, I think Ithink people get stuck in that
space too, where they're justwaiting for the perfect, like we
said, the perfect storm, um,but also they're like, well, you
(54:46):
know, god, just give me a signif I'm supposed to do this thing
.
Life doesn't work like that.
I don't know what everybodybelieves different things.
I don't know whatever theuniverse or God or whatever, I
don't know how they operateeither.
It can be very confusing attimes.
I think that people, uh, yeah,they just uh, they get stuck in
(55:13):
their head Like, okay, I got mydegree in this, I've got to do
that, like I, that's why I gotmy degree and that's all I know.
Or I served five years or 10years or 25 years in the
military and all I knew how todo these things.
And so the next point Itransitioned to in life I have
(55:35):
to, I have it has to be that ithas to be associated with that,
or I'm not going to besuccessful and you're just doing
yourself a huge disservice.
It's not true?
Like there's so many otherthings you have learned
throughout your life through thethings that you've done, the
things you've survived, thingsyou've overcome, um, that will
position you to do whatever itis that you want to do.
And like, for example, I I'm, Ico-founded a meat company.
(56:02):
Now, you know, and so we've got.
You know, I didn't know I wasgoing to get into that.
I didn't grow up thinking Iwould be involved in ranching in
any way, but I like to eat goodmeat and I like to know where
my meat comes from.
And, um, you know, I just hadmet some people that were
starting something up and I wasinterested in being a part of
that, and I spent time in Austin, so the universe had brought me
(56:24):
close to a lot of these cattleranches and and uh, and now you
know we've got a subscriptionmeat company.
It's like a veteran owned deal,um, and it's uh, and it's, it's
super interesting because Idon't know much about that world
, like I'm learning as I go.
And, uh, you know, I do knowwhat matters to me and what I
like, but now that's like becomea part of my, my life, and it
(56:48):
was all just because theuniverse had sort of put me in
this place for whatever reason,a series of choices, I guess,
that I've made in my life toothat brought me there.
But now that I'm here and it'slike here's this thing, like you
know why why not?
(57:31):
no-transcript, you know, fromfrom a family farm to your home.
And these two worlds arecompletely they have no
generally like they don't, theydon't connect.
I mean, I guess there'sstorytelling involved in
everything we do in life, butthey're very different people.
(57:53):
Nobody in those two groupsassociates with the other people
in the other groups, right, butI'm still a part of both of
those worlds and it's becausethose are things that both
interest me and I love and I'mpassionate about.
It's because those are thingsthat both interest me and I love
and I'm passionate about.
And the world has sort ofbrought me to those sectors or
(58:14):
whatever.
And why not, like, why can't Ijust do a little bit of both?
Why do I have to get stuck inmy?
You know, I got my undergraduatedegree in kinesiology, which
means I should be coaching orbeing a trainer or whatever.
I'm not doing any of that.
Nothing wrong with that, I lovethat stuff, but I'm just not
doing that.
It went another way because theuniverse kind of pulled me that
(58:34):
way.
So I think that that is the bigone.
I would say Just listen to theuniverse and just try things.
If you're interested insomething, just try it.
Just get out there and try it.
You never know what it'll leadto.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
Fantastic advice, Absolutely great advice and I
hope lots of success for themeat.
You know I'm a carnivore.
I only eat meat myself for overa year now.
So yeah, I have chickens.
I have a small herd.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
I'm probably not as cool as your ranchers.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah, I have dexter cattle.
I don't do angus, but yeah, Igot a herd of 13 cattle and
there's a bull.
I had four head drop this year,hopefully seven next year.
You have 50 acres and doing mything, you know so I love it, so
uh it's eight primal eight.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
primalcom is the website eight primalcom.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
All right for all you listeners out there.
You got to check it out.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
Please do, and let's connect offline on that stuff
also.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
Okay yeah, the Dexter cattle is great.
They're good for the family.
They're an old Irish heritagebreed.
Cool yeah, if anybody's curiousabout Dexter cattle, I know a
little something I cattle.
I know a little something.
I'm no expert but, like you,you got to take action.
So for everybody out therelistening, take action.
Create your asset mindset, bepositive, chase your dreams, get
(59:54):
out there and do somethingDefinitely like.
Follow and subscribe and sharethe Asset Mindset Podcast and,
more than anything, own yourpower.
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