Doug Lynch, former professional hockey player turned entrepreneur, shares his journey from the ice to founding innovative performance apparel company Filium and how the relationships built through sports became the foundation for his business success.
• Began playing hockey at age three in Coquitlam, BC, eventually being drafted by the Edmonton Oilers in the second round
• Won a Memorial Cup with the Red Deer Rebels at age 17, learning the importance of team success for individual growth
• Played professionally in the NHL (Edmonton) and in European leagues, including Austria and Sweden
• Founded Zenkai Sports (now Philium Incorporated) after retiring in Portland and connecting with Nike professionals
• Developed revolutionary technology that transforms natural cotton into high-performance fabric for athletic wear
• Secured investments from professional athletes, including Rickie Fowler, Marty Turco, and the Morris twins
• Established licensing partnerships with major brands like 1764 Golf and O'Neill's rugby apparel
• Emphasizes that relationships are the most valuable asset in business—"you never spend relationship capital, you only reinvest it"
• Currently mentors UBC hockey players and works with athlete transition organizations to help sports professionals prepare for life after competition
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And the coach was mad because we're like we need some
more confidence.
Henry, you're not helping ushere.
That's it, hey what's up folks?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to the 255th episode of the Athletes Podcast
today featuring Doug Lynch, aformer professional hockey
player, now turned entrepreneur,athlete, investor, someone who
I look up to in so manydifferent ways.
I'm proud to be able to callDoug a friend, someone who I've
been able to step on the icewith and who I will be able to
work with in the future with ourCookstark Management athletes.
(00:31):
Big shout out goes to Doug forcoming on the show.
It took us so way too long toget him on, but he did not
disappoint.
Hopefully you folks took athing or two from that
conversation, because I amjazzed up.
I want to start my own company.
I kind of already have, but youalready know we're rocking
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Coquitlam region where Doug grewup.
Thank you, folks, for tuning in.
Here's the 255th episode of theAthletes Podcast.
Here we go.
You're the most decoratedracquetball player in US history
, world's strongest man, fromchildhood passion to
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professional athlete, eight-timeIronman champion.
So what was it like making yourdebut in the NHL?
What is your biggest piece ofadvice for the next generation
of athletes, from underdogs tonational champions?
This is the Athletes Podcast,where high-performance
individuals share their triumphs, defeats and life lessons to
educate, entertain and inspirethe next generation of athletes.
(01:55):
Here we go.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Sunglasses, no sunglasses.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You can rock sunnies.
Okay, I just didn't know it'skind of sunny.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It's kind of cloudy, it's raining.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Classic, uh, classic vancouver pnw weather right here
, you know just overcast,sometimes sunny literally
dropping off my girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Uh, she's having a lunch with her girlfriend.
It's pouring rain in port moody.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I drove like three minutes and it's not raining yet
, so and it's kind of sunny, sowell, you would have seen
weather all over the world andexperienced some pretty
incredible weather yeah ineurope, I imagine well it was so
cool in europe is the buildingslike the hockey buildings are
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so much different than northamerica.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It's like our home rank.
When I was in salzburg therewas like um windows around the
entire sorry, not me, maybethere's something like this like
like the one and a half cornersof the rink.
Okay, so one of the ends andfully along the side was all
windows, so like you'd bepracticing at like 10 o'clock in
the morning and seeing like thegerman austrian alps and like
(03:01):
the snow and you're like itlooks like you're in a post
postcard yeah, and I rememberhearing your podcast, other ones
previously you would go foryour morning walks or your
pre-game walks and you get tosee these postcards.
It's it's unbelievable.
I always just say it's like asnow globe, like living over
there.
It's like you turn the snowglobe over.
It's like that's the citiesthat that I lived and I was
fortunate enough to be in europe.
But there's just thearchitecture and everything is
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just so different than NorthAmerica.
It's the history, history andeverything has to be built, like
into these old facilities orbuildings, like you can't.
There's no more land, right,and everything was built for
like horse and buggies, yeah, soit's like a lot of places in
the old town parts of well, Iwas in Salzburg specifically was
just walking only so you had topark your car outside the city.
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Like Venice is the same way,right, like it's how it's
sinking, but you park your caroutside the city and walk in.
It's like such a coolexperience Just be walking
around with people and shoppingand restaurants.
There's no cars.
Favorite city to play in.
You know what's tough is.
It's always the people likecity wise and I agree, people in
Salzburg, and when you'rewinning it's always easier.
So I love salzburg.
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I was there for almost six, sixto seven years, so it felt like
home yeah um, I was inguthenberg, sweden, for for half
a season.
That was incredible.
It's probably my favorite cityI liked, even better than
stockholm.
Um, in sweden, I mean playinghockey in canada, like in
edmonton and toronto, like thatwas super fun because it's just
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the culture and the passion andit's always the people Like.
I remember Peoria, illinois,which people might not think is
like it's a small city, smallMidwest city, unbelievable guys
we had on our team.
It's like we had so much fun,even though maybe the city
didn't offer as much as some ofthe other big cities and other
big markets.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Incredible time there for two years and an amazing
experience because the people Iwas with teammates I was with so
well.
Now that you don't have to be aprofessional athlete, you can
kind of tailor your workouts abit more yeah, probably right.
You're not just training to bethe best hockey player you can
be yeah, and it's what I have todo.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's funny I did a mobility class yesterday which
is literally just stretching foran hour.
Now as, like it's your point, Ijust want to work out to, to
stay lean, I can't have the samemuscle mass.
I'm not looking to increasemuscle mass, but like I don't
stretch, like I should no showup lift weights.
45 minutes sauna done, yeah,like I don't spend 30 minutes
(05:19):
rolling out and stretching whichof course, I should do.
So even yesterday doing amobility class for an hour, I'm
like I have to startimplementing this.
Like can't just be throwing theweights around.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's amazing for me to hear because I hear it weekly
that I should be stretching,doing all of these things, and I
also, you know, spend my 45minutes hammering the weights,
my 20 minutes in the sauna and Isay see you later.
It's tough to incorporate anhour and a half two hours into
your day when you are anentrepreneur.
When you do have otherresponsibilities, you've
probably been able to managethis.
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I'm trying to manage thisconversation over the next 30,
45 minutes how we're going toget all of this in, because you
got a lot that we can cover.
You're kind of the idealindividual when I think of the
athletes podcast and bringingsomeone on.
Oh, thank you.
Not only from the athleticstandpoint, from the knowledge,
the ability to apply what you'velearned as an athlete now post
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career, to entrepreneurship.
So I figured we'd break it intothree periods.
We'll go the athletics routesince you're a hockey player
drafted in the second round tothe NHL Edmonton Oilers.
No big deal.
No big deal.
Three chips over in europe oversix, seven, eight years.
Mem cup winner as well.
So we'll cover the athletics,okay, then we'll go into the
(06:33):
entrepreneurship and then thethird period, to close things
out, we'll just talk advice forthe next gen.
Okay, identify kind of how youwould maybe do things
differently or what you'velearned throughout the process,
what advice you would provide.
So things differently, or whatyou've learned throughout the
process, what advice you wouldprovide.
So first period athletics youstart playing hockey at the age
of three.
Your dad's a professionallacrosse player.
How the heck do you come to bedrafted to the NHL?
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What were those kind of 16years, 15 years in between?
What did they look like?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, so I grew up in Coquitlam BC.
Born on the North Shore inNorth Vancouver, Grew up in
Coquitlam BC, when we're drivingright now when we're driving
right now buddy In home In home.
Actually, I don't spend a lot oftime out here, so it's actually
really fun being out here andseeing how much it's changed and
how different it looks.
I got my two little brothers tolive out here with to soccer
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and, obviously, in Canada,playing ice hockey.
Took a liking to ice hockey,played since I was three years
old.
All my brothers played.
My parents were incredible,never pushed us, but also
recognized that athletics issuch an important part of
character building for any young, young, young person and, uh,
loved my teammates.
I've always gravitated towardsthe team sports um as much.
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I love golf now and I play golf, of course, with my buddies,
but, like I loved all the teamsports and um, being from
vancouver, we don't have outdoorice.
I remember going red deer myfirst time as a 16 year old and
seeing outdoor rinks.
The kids would just go play onall day long.
I'm like, oh my god, I wouldhave never come home if I grew
up in Vancouver, the outdoorright.
So my upbringing, david, likewas it was a ton of ball hockey,
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street hockey, in the driveway,in the garage, stick handling
my basement, like doing whateveryou could to stay within the
sport and I, at the end of theday, whatever it's that malcolm
gladwell 10 000 hour rule,whatever you kind of subscribe
to, but I was never, ever worklike.
It was never like, oh god, Igotta go shoot pucks today in
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the garage against a plywoodpiece of plywood my dad would
put up against the wall like Ilove doing.
It didn't feel like a job,never, never felt like a job.
And you know most athletes toget to those highest levels,
like everybody works extremelyhard but it doesn't feel like
work.
It doesn't feel like you're gotpunching the clock.
It's like you're doing itbecause you love it.
And I think Steve jobs had agreat saying and I always
(08:58):
butcher it but basically,whatever you do, if to get to
this type of level, if you don'tlove it, it just looks like
you're crazy.
Because, like I would be thekid I'd be like four or five
years old, I'd watch athree-hour canuck game, like
with my dad on the couch and mydad's like yeah, I don't think
it was common to have.
Like you'd be three or fouryears old and you'd sit there
(09:19):
and watch a three-hour hockeygame, like your attention span,
like I was just mesmerized by it.
So, like you can tell early onthat, that you definitely take a
gravitate towards something,and for me it was sports and
ultimately hockey so you takethis hockey career.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I start playing at the age of three, you're drafted
by the red deer rebels at 15.
You end up winning the Mem Cupwith that team.
As a 17-year-old I believe YepFirst championship experience
with a team I know.
You said you grew up in anassociation that wasn't familiar
with winning Yep so you wereable to sharpen both ends of the
(09:58):
stick we'll say Yep and getfamiliar with losing when you're
young and also experiencewinning at a young age.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, no, no, it's.
It's interesting you said thatbecause I obviously wouldn't
change anything but growing upin coquitlam like there's so
many good hockey players in oursmall area, like between
coquitlam, port moody and pocolike, we had three triple a
teams in that small area whereyou go to teams some other
places, and they'd have 10 timesthe population of one triple a
team.
So we had so much competition.
But it's also watered downbecause there's three separate
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triple a programs growing up andwe were never particularly good
and I remember one scout said,uh, that they want, they wanted
to draft me and I end up goingto red deer.
But they were going to draft melater on and said, like the
reason we love the way you playis, even if you're losing a game
, six or seven one, you're stillthat kid.
That was like blocking a shotor finishing your check in the
corner or back checking.
Yeah, and that's that's thecharacter we like to see.
(10:51):
And again, even if you are in alosing environment, sometimes,
as it, as every organizationgoes through look in the nhl,
look in every pro sport you'regoing to go through the doldrums
of not having those top endguys to win championships and it
doesn't matter, because there'sstill people watching every day
and you're still learning fromthat experience and building the
characters as a young adult.
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And then going to red deer, wecame in my first year.
I think we had 13 first yearplayers I think it was six 16
year olds and like four, five,six, seven, 17 year olds and
generally very uncommon at thatlevel to have so many young
players.
And Brent Sutter was our headcoach then and he just instilled
us as this work ethic, thisdrive, no complacency.
(11:32):
So a 16-year-old year was atough year.
We didn't do a lot of winning.
We got beat up physically, wegot beat up emotionally, like we
got beat up literally in thatleague.
It's a tough league to play inand then coming in as a 17 year
old, all of us now we're we'reso much.
I feel like I was so much older.
I was only one year older, butbecause of what we went through
the year before and the trustthat brent put into us and then
(11:54):
for us to kind of run throughthat league that year, uh, win,
win the wto championship andultimately win the memorial cup,
like really taught me howimportant the team is.
In fact, that if you can come asa group of people and
businesses, we'll get to it inthe third period.
The same way, if you can be agroup of people and win,
everybody wins as an individualand everybody's role is
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different.
You need to have specific rolesand everyone might be competing
for something different.
It might be, uh, to get draftedin NHL.
It might be to sign a somethingdifferent.
It might be to get drafted inthe NHL.
It might be to sign a procontract, it might just to have
a spot on the team for next year, but it doesn't really matter
what the individual goal is, aslong as the collective is
aligned, and that's what Ilearned as a 17-year-old my
second year in the WesternHockey League.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So interesting.
You say that because it makesme think.
Even doing the podcast here forfive plus years because it
makes me think.
Even doing the podcast here forfive plus years.
It's like adding partners,sponsors, like perfect sports
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Who powers the athletes podcast, like pioneer auto group, who's
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And if you have people who youbring together to one common
(13:00):
goal, it's so cool to seeeveryone align towards that
vision.
You see it in sport at a youngage and you don't really realize
it as a kid.
But then you apply it inbusiness.
You're like whoa, I have allthese skills that I've learned
as a kid through sport that Ican now apply later on.
You probably have that tenfoldfrom all the experience.
Um winning dub, you get draftedto your kind of almost hometown
(13:25):
team in the senseands Red Deer,edmonton, only a couple hours
away.
That's got to know someemotions.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It was unbelievable.
I remember you kind of have afeeling teams are watching
throughout the year but you'rereally just trying to focus on
your game Because you knowthere's people every night
watching you play and you'rejust as an athlete.
You're just focusing on theteam, the structure, the system
and have it have having successas a group and knowing that that
, like I alluded to a second ago, all the other stuff will take
(13:53):
care of itself if you focus onthe success as a group.
And um finished that year withthe cup and going to the draft
and I had, um, you know, at thecombine, 20 or interviews or
whatever it was, because I wasrated in the second round so
every team had a chance to kindof take me.
So I had lots of interviews andjust getting to talk to
different teams how differentcultures were I could tell just
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in these tiny little hotel roomsdifferent cultures.
And some of the interviews Ihad were terrible and like maybe
I was terrible, maybe it was awrong fit for the team, and like
it's so funny then, lookingback, like I had such an
incredible interview withedmonton amazing people hockey
guys, I mean rich just down theroad.
I'm a western canadian kid so Iremember, um, that year one of
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our best players was kyle wanvig.
He didn't sign so he went backin the draft.
So I knew there's three or fourof us that played in red deer
that were rated in the topcouple rounds, and so the
minnesota wild came to pick likeI think like 36 somewhere in
there, like like mid 30s, andthey go from the red deer rebels
and like the two of my buddiesI believe had already gone the
(15:02):
first round or one for sure,colby armstrong and jeff waywick
, I think two guys went in thefirst round already and I was
kind of next up on the list andminister wild stepped up, said
you know, for mr wild, for thered deer rebels like to draft,
I'm like my heart like like itjust starts beating so fast like
oh my god, I'm going tominnesota.
Like I'm like I did, I'm tryingto think like that quickly,
like what was the interview?
(15:22):
Like what was Minnesota?
Like I've only been there acouple times.
And then they go, kyle Wanvig,yeah, because no one kind of we
all kind of forgot that he'dgone back in the draft and
didn't know where he was goingto go, and so it was such a
funny thing.
It was like an up and down overthe course of like 10 seconds
and I was like, oh okay, wow,okay, well, okay.
So I thought it was memissoula,wasn't.
And then, sure enough, four orfive picks later, whatever it
(15:44):
was, uh, edmonton comes up andsays, from the red deer rebels,
I'm like, oh man, I don't thinkthere's anybody else, I think
it's gonna be me and I'm havingso excited.
Kevin lowe, scott hausen, craigmctavish guys you'd watched
growing up playing, yeah, yeah,rooting for um, uh, I mean just
being just again the oilers, thedynasties they had.
(16:05):
I was obviously very, veryyoung, but hearing the stories
and it's incredible to go toedmonton and what an amazing
culture and again it's, you know, once an oiler, always an oiler
, and I still cheer for them.
I still cheer for my friendsthat are in the front office and
in the training staff and thecoach I know when the coaching
staff anymore, but trainingstaff, the doctors and things
like that.
It's just really, reallyspecial to a have that chance.
(16:28):
Whether you play an nhl game ornot, being drafted is just that
real nice culmination of thatjunior career that you had
starting at three years old,yeah, well, and you can say you
played in the nhl buddy two winsyeah, undefeated.
I'm defeating the.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
NHL come on yeah let's go.
That was.
That can never be taken awayand I know it's probably you
talked about in a previouspodcast all about, like the
transition to Europe, how it's.
You didn't make the NHL.
There's some ego associatedwith that, but clearly you were
able to win games no matterwhere you played, and you
(17:05):
probably played well enough todeserve to be there.
But, like you mentioned,there's not always an
opportunity for people to slideinto those roles.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
There is a business side of everything and there's a
business side to sports and atthat level you've got contracts.
You've got there's only 50contracts allowed per team
within the nhl and the minors.
So you not only have to be goodenough to play at that level,
which I was for a short periodof time, but the cards didn't
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align where I was good enough tostay in the nhl for an extended
period of time and success isrelative david and we'll get to
probably that a little bit laterinto the business stuff.
But I played two NHL games.
I obviously wouldn't changeanything for the world, but I
look back sometimes and, man, mycareer, I was a failure.
Like I didn't play 20 years, Iwasn't a Hall of Famer, because
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that's the goals you set foryourselves.
Like you have to set theseincredibly hard-to-attain goals.
I mean less than 1% of 1% ofkids that play hockey ever make
it to any NHL game and so that'san incredible accomplishment.
But at the time I felt like Iwas a failure because I didn't
have the career that I dreamt ofas a kid.
And then obviously you alludedto like the soft skills you
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learned during that wholejourney and again it really
comes back down to people andrelationships and I learned that
early on from my parents.
Having three younger brothers,having a big family and being
the eldest so taking on maybe amore of a not a leader type role
, but just having three youngerbrothers, you gotta look out for
them, you gotta not protectthem.
They're all big, strong kidsbut like yeah, they're my little
(18:43):
brothers, like don't mess withthose kids.
And it's like you learn howimportant teammates are, family
is and every team I've played onall the teams that won, we were
a family.
Like I still talk to all notall of them but close friends on
every one of the teams I wonthat won a championship, because
there's something special abouta group that can come together
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and win.
And for me, winning in the NHLfor two games I played
incredible experience, neverchanged it for the world.
And then, of course, moving onin my career and then winning
the Kelly Cup in the East CoastHockey League and winning the
championships in Europe, neverforgetting that you're really
playing for each other and themore you like each other, the
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easier it is to battle for eachother.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And just the ability to have friends from so many
different places.
Now too, I think that on itsown, like just the network
you've been able to build,probably, you know, as we enter
the intermission here, move intothe second period, it's like
now, having built a business,you probably would not be able
to scale it to where you're atcurrently if you had stayed in
(19:51):
one.
You're in the gym.
You don't feel good.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
You're traveling, you're battling, you're injured,
you're sore, you're comingtogether.
You earn that trust and respectfrom a group and then, 20 years
later, people don't forget that.
And so then, starting abusiness career after retiring,
picking up the phone, I was sooverwhelmed and and appreciative
that all these guys would stilltake my calls and, like some of
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these guys I haven't seen in 10, 12, 15 years, but, like dougie
, we battle together like yeahand like same thing for me.
Like guys will call I playedwith, take, I'll take their call
any day of the week, give themadvice, uh, whatever, whatever
small role I could play in theirsuccess.
I'm happy to do it because Iknow what kind of character they
have and I'm so fortunatebecause then, even in the
business world, you have alittle bit of built in street
(20:52):
cred to make it to a level likethat.
People know that you can battleand show up on time and be
accountable, take criticism,work as a team.
And I'm just such a proponentIf you can't hear already in my
voice of sports as a youngperson.
What it teaches you for therest of your life is, I think,
one of the greatest life skillsyou can learn.
(21:12):
You can learn how to doPowerPoints, you can learn how
to do spreadsheets and and allof that stuff, but to really
learn what it's like to workwith a group of people and
battle and compete, uh it, it.
It can serve you for yourentire life, no matter what
business you're in.
Compete.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It can serve you for your entire life, no matter what
business you're in.
I've been trying to stress thatfor five plus years now on the
pod getting every kind ofathlete on, because I think
that's also important for themto see not only hockey players
but to see javelin throwers, tosee shot putters, to see
gymnasts and the fact thatwhether you're five foot, six
feet or seven feet, you canstill play probably the majority
of sports and there's going tobe value that you obtain from
(21:50):
playing those other ones 100 tothe main sport that you're
actually trying to get to.
But even then, that might notbe the end goal.
Maybe it's just overalllongevity, health, wellness.
Uh, can I wellness one of ourother sponsors here?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
love can I wellness.
I'm a big fan.
I've been using them for years.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Okay, so we're going to get a little boost in uh
boost me up right, why not?
I figure it helps me focus.
I take it before I play gamesand you're familiar with their
sleep and their refresh.
I take that one.
Yeah, there you go, there yougo.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Look at that.
The sleep one sleep one's great.
Uh, there's three of them thatI've taken.
There's a Relax One, a SleepOne and a Boost.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
One right, yeah.
And then Men, for those wholike to get after it, yes, which
we don't.
No, no, never, never, only onspecial occasions, like when I
win Beer League Championshiptonight.
I'm not playing an alumni gamelike yourself.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Champions are champions.
This is true.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Let's go game like yourself, champions are
champions.
Okay, this is true, let's go,it doesn't matter coming off a
three.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Nothing shutout last night.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Uh, ashl, you know it's okay, we're okay, I gotta.
I gotta make sure my game's atthe level that it needs to be,
so that when mules invites meout, or jeff on wednesday
mornings, monday nights, fridayafternoons, yeah I gotta be
ready for those games, becausethey're intense you gotta be
ready, and there's some skatersout there, there's players, well
, you don't.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yes, the stakes are obviously a lot lower when
you're just playing for fun, butthe competitive juices don't
turn off never.
And what I find now is I canonly play with a certain group
of people, uh, that have alsoplayed at these high levels
because, like there's, they'relike everything levels.
Because, like there's, likeeverything's safe, everyone is
there's no, there's no BS.
(23:29):
But like you're, you'recompeting, yeah.
Like you're not just mailing itin.
You make a bad patch.
You float around like no guysare still battling, like there's
some pride on the line and uh,I get you man, you gotta stay
too.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, it is the.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Uh, you know you got 16 guys that are all battling
out there and if you don't stopthat, puck oh there's nothing
worse than you've been battling,and battling, and battling, and
there's a soft goal from thehalf wall that sneaks through
the seven hole and it justdeflates the whole team.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Don't be that guy trust me don't be that guy if
nothing else in life, I strivetowards avoiding being that guy
at all costs.
That is my goal in life, ifnothing else.
And but it brings up a goodpoint.
I asked linus last week.
I was like who are some of thebest goalies that you played
against?
Like you gotta have some.
That couldn't, you couldn't getanything past, or that you guys
(24:23):
had trouble.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So I've got two really good.
Well, I've got lots, but my twofavorite goalie stories is one
I played with a gentleman namedmarty turco.
Yeah, I've heard of marty turcoabsolute legend.
Uh, shout out, he's got a greatuh beer company yeah, now check
it out if you guys haven't seenit.
(24:44):
Um, so marty came play with usin salzburg for a couple months.
We then played in the spangercup together and then he
re-signed back in the nhl, Ithink with the bruins and
marty's obviously legendary forplaying the puck.
Yeah, uh, arguably like I meanright up there with martin
broder, like as one of the bestof all time, and of course you
know that as a player coming in.
(25:05):
And so I remember, uh, inpractice going, oh my goodness,
this is unbelievable.
Like I don't have to pivot andgo back to the, my own net
anymore, I can just like peeloff to the, to the boards, and
get a breakout pass.
Like this is unbelievable.
So remember our first gametogether at home in salzburg,
opening draw.
(25:25):
Uh, the puck is a littlescramble off the opening, face
off, and gets dumped in, youknow, towards our goal, towards
marty.
Yeah, and I remember, likebackpiling, backpiling, pivoting
, and I pivot, maybe right atthe top of the circle, like,
like, like reant line, ish, likea couple strides in front of
the blue line.
I turn around and this puckjust goes right by my face like
(25:47):
like a six foot high sauce passthis way for a breakaway for our
team.
The other way, I'm like, oh, Ican get used to this like this,
I can get used to this pivotingaround.
I think I'm gonna pick up thepuck behind the net like you do
normally.
Yeah, and breakout pass isgoing the other way.
I'm like I'll take a plus yeahdo anything.
This is great.
So Marty was incredible, one ofthe best teammates I ever had.
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We had so much fun together.
And then I was also fortunateenough to play in Sweden during
the second lockout.
So our team was stacked.
We had, like, matt Duchesnecame over and played and then we
had a great group of local guysthat were from Gothenburg,
sweden, guys that are fromgothenburg, sweden, so like
henrik lungquist, eric carlson,daniel alfredson, victor
(26:31):
stallberg, louis erickson, like,just like are you kidding me?
Like it was unbelievable.
So I remember those guys wereall practicing with us.
Um, only maddie deshane and Ithink victor and louis got into
some games.
The rest of the guys were justwaiting to see what the locket
was gonna happen, but theypracticed with us, right, and I
remember our, our king, henrik,was our third, third string
goalie and, uh, one practice.
I think one of our guys eitherwas sick with the flu or got
(26:54):
injured prior to practice.
We our second guy couldn't,couldn't practice.
So henrik came in and was oursecond goalie for practice.
And everything's in swedishover there and there's only
there's only three or fourimports allowed.
We had a Norwegian guy, aFinnish guy, a Danish guy and
then me.
Me and Matt were the onlyEnglish-speaking guys.
Everything's in Swedish.
(27:14):
All the guys are incredible.
They try to make you feel apart of it, but it's kind of
hard when every coach is inSwedish.
I remember we were going througha little bit of a tough spell
six or seven-game losing streakor maybe one tie in six games,
like not doing well, and we'regetting called in about you know
, 12 minutes.
15 minutes into practice, coachpulls a whistle, brings all the
(27:35):
guys together and like inpractice you're focused on your,
whatever it is you're doing,and like you kind of have an
idea of what's happening, butlike I don't know if we're
scoring goals, not scoring goals, or guys are making good passes
, if it's crisp, like I'm kindof focused on me and my defense
partner, what we're doing right.
So so we get called in and thecoach is yelling us in swedish
and like this and that, andfinally he just stops and kind
of says it in english becauselike I like you're not listening
(27:58):
or whatever, and basically he'slike henrik, we haven't won in
six games.
We haven't scored a goal in thefirst 15 minutes.
In practice, like we need alittle confidence here.
Can you let a few in?
So I guess and people wouldappreciate they played hockey
like how many shots are taken ina 15, 20 minutes into a
(28:19):
practice?
Like 100 shots are taken.
King Henrik hadn't let in asingle goal in practice and the
coach was mad because we're likewe need some more confidence.
Henrik, you're not helping ushere.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's a tough situation when you're telling
your goalie to stop, stop andpuck.
Yeah, like, come on Like well,you'd appreciate this.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
We'd do like three puck after practice.
It'll go for 40 minutes Likenobody could.
You'd get maybe one in, butguys, we'd start with 12 players
.
There'd be seven players left30 minutes in.
We're like, we're exhausted.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Well, you know, kevin Wood woodley, of course in goal
mag, and so I've been fortunateto follow in goal mag's journey
over the past decade withkevin's amazing what a hockey
guy and he can still play tooyeah, well, I play against him
on mondays and fridays and, uh,he and hutch obviously hutch
being my uncle I've been able towitness that firsthand and how
they've grown and seeing all thegoalies that they get to talk
to and this is kind of anextension in the overlap and
(29:20):
when you hear about some howgood these goalies are, and when
you hear it from the horse'smouth, yeah, like 30, 40 minutes
into practice and these guysstill can't score, like I don't
know to me I'm always curious,especially when you get to see
the best of the best during alockout year like that.
Yep, um, transitioning, I guesswe're, we're kind of mid second
period here we were.
(29:41):
We're talking athletics.
At what point did you realizeplaying with all these people
yourself competing that?
Hey, maybe the apparel I'mwearing I could get into this
space.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You know what, honestly, david, I never really
thought much about thatspecifically while playing.
It was starting to be more oflike okay, my career like I've
played 10, 12 years, whatever itkind of was getting near the
end and it was more of like okay, life after hockey is coming
for me, you've made some decentmoney, but you're not making
(30:12):
money to retire forever likesome of the guys that make, and
I was never a superstar oranything like that.
And so you start thinking aboutlife after hockey and from
there you recognize it again Idon't know how many times I
gotta say it, but I said earlierlike relationships and starting
recognize that my, my worldafter hockey will be someone
(30:35):
from these relationships.
Like that's just the way I wasbuilt and the way my mind works,
like I'm not really a corporateguy uh, getting a job punching
a clock.
I'm more of like let's do,let's create, do a project
together and have more of anentrepreneurial mindset, where
I'm sure I've got it from myparents, who are both very
successful entrepreneurs intheir own right, and I think
(30:59):
that's where I was more justopen to like okay, after hockey,
what am I interested, what am Ilooking forward to doing?
And I was definitely interestedin staying in, like doing what
you know right, knowing athletes, knowing sports, knowing
competition.
And then it just happened stancewith me retiring in portland,
oregon, um, I started running ahockey program there with so
many of the families working forNike or Intel two largest
(31:20):
employers in the state andgravitated towards the Nike
people because we'd connect overathletics.
And then that really startedopening my mind up to the world
of textiles which, to be quitehonest, if you said it while I
was playing that I'd be in thetextile business.
I'd have said that doesn't makeany sense, like it's such a
massive world I know nothingabout.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
So it's funny how it's exactly what I want to be
doing because it's a brand newindustry for me, but it still is
everything I love in the sports, athletic and performance world
.
And Zenkai, originally nowPhilem Incorporated,
incorporated tag teaming.
Can you break down how thoseoperate?
Who's involved?
To who you can share isinvolved?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I guess from the front facing standpoint, yes of
technology behind it too.
Yeah, absolutely so.
When I was in portland I got toknow some of the highest people
at nike if their kids playedice hockey because I was running
the hockey program there at theWinterhawk Skating Center and
got to meet this gentlemanthrough a mutual friend at Nike
that started the technologycalled Filium, and Filium is
(32:30):
this incredible material sciencethat can be applied to any
textiles, giving it supernaturalperformance.
So you can't.
Generally, guys like me and yougrew up wearing cotton t-shirts
at gym class or even underneathour hockey equipment for sort
of playing.
Now you're wearing like thesehighly synthetic base layers
that are have performanceproperties.
However, they're not good forthe planet or for your body and
(32:54):
so but you can't wear a cottonshirt because it's no
performance right it's heavy, itsticks shirt because it's no
performance, right, it's heavy,it sticks to you, it's absorbent
.
So, with our, this materialscience that this scientist
created, basically took that andlike, well, how can we apply
that to something that's betterfor the environment, better for
your skin, better for the health, performance and wellness of
the planet and individual?
Well, we took that technologyand applied it to cotton.
(33:15):
So now a cotton shirt, which isa natural, reoccurring thing in
nature, could be, now be aperformance fabric and so from
there that's when that lightbulb went off is growing up.
You know, as a pro athlete,wearing synthetic base layers or
you know, toxic materials forsix, seven, eight hours a day,
(33:35):
man, I started, startedquestioning, like, well, I can't
be good for you being, you know, having oil and plastic against
the largest organ on your body,which is your skin.
Yeah, so that's kind of whatset us on, him and I together,
and we created our own brandcalled zen kai sports.
Uh, drived off the japanese,japanese philosophy of
continuous improvement, which iskai zen, and we're the first
people to take cotton and put itinto base layers for pro
(33:58):
athletes.
So now, as a hockey player,baseball, lacrosse, and we would
say, base layer is whereapparel becomes equipment,
because now it's you can't likethat's.
That's the first layer that youput on to go into your sport,
and whether it's golf now, golf,basketball, guys are wearing
full sleeves, legs for for baselayer and compression.
(34:20):
So us giving it a naturaloption, we're the first ones to
do it and it's went extremelywell and over the course of four
or five years.
We then were acquired by um, youknow a group of people,
investors my partner, I puttogether and we created philium
corp.
So philium corp then acquiredzen kai sports, so it's now just
(34:41):
our concept brand that wecontinue to hand out samples.
You and I can rock them, lookgreat in them and, uh, wear them
around.
But our philium corp is amaterial science company, so
we're licensing that technologynow the world's biggest brands
and it's been an incrediblejourney for me coming from
strictly talking to athletes andwe're right now represented in
(35:02):
every major sport in the worldand NBA, nhl, mlb, bellator, ufc
for fighting, pga Golf,ericsson Tour for golf.
We just signed Leah, of course,the Ericsson Tour.
Sorry, ericsson Tour andEricsson Tour.
So for us now validating thetechnology for pro athletes, now
we can take this to the bigcompanies and show that it works
(35:24):
.
It's not just a test tubeBunsen burner situation going on
.
It's a commercially viable,scalable product.
So that's how Zenkai becameFilium Corp.
So we're all still owned by thesame group of people and we've
got some incredible investorslike Ricky Fowler invested, and
Jonathan Tabes.
We've got Marty Turkle that Ireferenced earlier.
(35:44):
Again, relationship I've hadfor 20 years.
Never thought he'd want to beinvolved and I called Marty up
and absolutely I'm involved.
He brought two businesspartners in that wrote checks
into the company and like that'sa relationship that just by
showing up every day at the rinkand battling with someone, 20
years later invested in mycompany.
Yeah, and that's that's thepower of relationships.
And showing up every day, beingyourself, being
(36:08):
unapologetically who you are,you're going to attract the
people that want to be aroundthat and some people at the end
of the day, you want to besurrounded by people that take
your call and want to be a partof what you're doing, and just
being yourself is the only wayto do that.
So we've got some incredible.
We've got the Morris twins fromthe NBA, marcus and Markeef, as
investors.
We've got Cam Talbot, brendanDillon, nathan Rourke, brent
(36:32):
Suter Major League Baseballpitcher Brent Suter, major
League Baseball pitcher plus anincredible group of advisors and
ambassadors in many othersports.
Jasmine Spencer comes to mind.
She just signed for theVancouver Rise, the women's
soccer team here in Vancouver.
So for us we've got thisincredible stable of athletes
(36:57):
ambassadors, investors arehelped telling our story and
it's it's really humbling whenyou, when people work so hard to
make their money and then theywant to.
They see someone like you andwith an idea to want to invest
in that.
It's humbling, it's nervewracking and it's pressure.
But at the end of the day, Ilove pressure as an athlete,
it's a privilege.
It's a privilege Like, ifyou're not playing in the big
games, like that means youhaven't had success.
(37:18):
So if you're nervous going intoa big game, yeah, you could be
nervous, of course, but if youcan't grow and meet it, meet it,
you're in the wrong industry.
Yeah, like I remember one ofour coaches.
We'd bag skate and guys wouldcomplain this and that and the
coach is like, if you don't likeskating, like why are you a
professional ice hockey player,like that's literally all you do
(37:39):
.
You do, this is your job, thisis your job is to skate.
Yeah, it's not fun sometimeswhen you're getting bagged and
you're into practice, but, likeyou, literally just skating.
So, at the end of the day, thepressure that I feel as an
entrepreneur and building abusiness, it's nothing I this is
all I would ever want and I'mused to it.
I like it and I will eithersucceed or not succeed.
(38:00):
But keep my head held high andjust show up every single day in
battle and that's all that Ican control.
Not to get off topic, but we'redealing with the tariffs, we're
dealing with now in ourindustry, the cross-border
different stuff that's happeningwith our countries.
At the end of the day, I can'tcontrol any of that.
So me bitching and complainingto you or investors or advisors,
(38:22):
like that's not going to get usanywhere.
So how do you show up every dayin battle, can control what you
can control and it's everycliche in the book.
That's why they're cliches andfor me, I'm very overwhelmed and
appreciative of the supportI've been given and we're
looking to make this a bigsuccess and going on podcasts
like you and having this be ableto tell our story is one part
(38:44):
of that that I'm grateful for.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, and it's a testament to the fact that you
make high quality apparel, too.
Right Like you've got not onlythis new technology that allows
Leah John to pour a cup ofcoffee under her shirt and not
be stressed about it actuallystaining or leaving a mark, but
you're also wearing stuff thatpeople want to wear.
You can wear it during anathletic event.
You can wear it out casuallyright now, myself during a
(39:06):
podcast.
Right like that is theversatility that I love from it
the fact that it's eco-friendly.
I was talking about that withmy mom earlier.
Right, you're involved witheco-ath, eco athletes.
To tell me more sports.
What's you've got like threedifferent titles on LinkedIn.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah Well, I, I'm a I .
I love athletes.
I love I don't want to saygiving back, that sounds like
I've done more than I have butlike I, I love to be there to
support men and women that havealso gone through that journey
and recognizing that Olympicathletes, minor pro athletes and
(39:41):
it all of us have had the samejourney.
We've we've had the samedisciplines to make it to those
types of levels.
There's a certain amount ofcrazy that you have to have and
when you retire, it can bereally, really challenging.
It can be really challenging to.
It sounds crazy, like it soundsasinine, but I remember retiring
(40:01):
and I had nothing but free timeand you're like, oh my God,
like now, I could kill for notto have to do anything for one
day.
But I retired from hockey andyou're like I have no one
telling me where to go, where tobe, what my body fat needs to
be, what my bench press needs tobe, what I need to wear for for
some event, when's next timethe bus is leaving or flights
(40:22):
leaving, I had unlimited optionsand it was almost like
debilitating because you, Icould do anything I wanted.
Right, like what am I going todo with the rest of my day, I
have nothing on the schedule andno one telling me what to do
and where to go, and that wasactually really hard, yeah you
become accustomed to it.
Like since I was 14, 15, leavinghome to play hockey.
(40:43):
So for 15 years plus, youalways had this goal.
You always had this okay, well,next season's coming up, next
game's coming up, and it wasreally challenging.
So I worked through it in myown way.
And for me to be able to giveback to an eco-athlete a member
of the Post now, which is thisgreat group out of New York
(41:08):
founded by Christian Ponder, theex-NFL quarterback, and what
it's doing is it's justconnecting everybody with
athletes that sometimes arestruggling with mental health.
You know I've had sixundocumented concussions.
So when I played it was likeyou got your bell rung.
Oh, now it's called aconcussion, but like I've had
six of those I can count, if notmore and you wake up one day
(41:29):
and there is a scary aspect towhat I put my body through, just
like everybody else out there,to make it to that level, and
sometimes you just want to beable to sit and talk to people
that have also put their bodieson the line for that long, and
then to wake up one day and havethat organization not care
about you at all.
That's the dirty side of prosports.
(41:50):
They care about you when you'rewinning and you're playing and
you're performing and then thesecond the lights turn off and
you can no longer be of service.
They're going to go findsomeone else.
That's the business and we allknow that going in, and it's not
some secret.
I'm not a victim, I knew all ofthat.
But it's nice to connect withpeople that have also had those
experiences when you retire.
And if I could make a phonecall to help somebody out or
(42:12):
make an introduction to havesomeone get hired at a business,
I would welcome that.
So I've joined all these groupsto be able to be in that world
still.
If I can help out in a smallway, I'm very, very grateful for
the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Oh, let's talk about your new golf line you just
released Perfect Golf's comingup.
I'm going to be playing Golfseason.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I got room in the back of this Jeep I'll get you
some stuff.
Yeah, golf season, I got roomin the back of this jeep I'll
get you some stuff, yeah I'llget you.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I'll get you some stuff for sure, because I'm
gonna be playing lots of golfthis summer all around lower
mainland.
I gotta get my game back.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, you know, mules is bugging me, but we gotta get
out too.
I haven't.
I've got three or four golftournaments this summer.
I haven't.
Like I'm right now, it's likehockey mode is just finishing
yeah, yeah and like it's likenow golf clubs I gotta got to
dust them off and like so we gotto go for some rounds too for
sure.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah Well, we'll be up again this year at Kelowna
Hockey Fest.
Okay, we'll see you there.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
For sure We'll bring the clubs up, bring the clubs up
, for sure, and then I'm sureyou got a couple other tourneys.
I got, I got a few other, andso, anyway, long story short, we
got to go play golf this summerand um, what inspired, the?
(43:21):
the, the release for this newline, yeah, so with us being a
material science company, um,and now license our technology.
We're extremely excited toannounce one of our first major
partnerships with a group called1764 golf.
Uh, they own a company calledShort Power 4, which is the
largest golf subscriptioncompany in the world.
(43:43):
So we're launching for theMasters here coming up in a
couple weeks Hoodie Hawk andHarlow hoodie, men's and women's
all Philem activated.
So we're extremely excitedbecause now brands are helping
tell that story with natural,eco-friendly apparel powered by
philium.
So, uh, maybe we can throw alink in the in the chat when
(44:04):
we're for sure at the end of theof the show.
And, uh, please go check it,check out um, 1764 golf, graham
lux incredible partnership withphilium.
We've got another major onecoming with o'neill's, which is
the largest rugby company in theworld.
Okay, we're doing a fulltrainer kit with them.
Uh, we got a couple otherreally major ones I can't
announce quite yet, but comingup here 2025 you're gonna see
(44:27):
philium and lots of different uhretail stores online with
brands and every major sports uh, sports, um, vertical in the
world.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
So we're excited this is why we're getting you on the
athletes podcast right now.
I mean, what did we meet likesix, nine months ago?
We snapped a pic, we sent it tobrad thorpe talked about
isometrics briefly, yep, so manyoverlaps so many, in fact.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I talked to thorpey yesterday.
How's he doing awesome, yeah,awesome.
He's in toronto, guys in likeevery nba USA Navy.
Army, I can't.
He shared a few more with himyesterday.
I'm not going to release him incase he hasn't finalized the
deals yet, but like more NBAteams on the West Coast, he's
flying everywhere, so you got toget him on the podcast too.
Well, he was episode 175.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
There boom.
This is 255, there Boom, thisis.
This is two 55, two 55.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I know it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Look at you athletes podcast.
It's crazy.
It's crazy Thanks to partners,thanks to to you said like a
little bit of that crazinessCause I couldn't apply it myself
to the professional athleterealm.
So here I am just chatting withpeople and, selfishly, I get to
learn from individuals likeyourself and then I apply that,
(45:42):
I get to train with them.
Right, like part of what we'redoing here is, like you know,
we'll go play hockey or go tothe golf course and you know,
see what your skills are like onthe range.
Yeah, I'll be down with finleyknox, who's an olympic swimmer.
Go into the pool with him.
Get my ass handed to me outthere like you know, just
showcase to the world what davidstark can do compared to these
professional athletes right, wegot to get out with leo.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Go play around with her exactly.
She gave me some tips on myshort game, which is struggling
well, and that's the way youwere just talking about.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
You know how, being able to impact athletes, that's
what we're trying to do with.
Cook stark management too right, and fortunately we have people
like yourself who are willingto outfit some of our athletes
with incredible philium zen kaiapparel.
And it's so cool how the sportworld works that way.
Um, it does.
I didn't realize it growing upand I you know to your point now
(46:25):
the relationship piece, that'severything it's david, it's
everything.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
and if anybody takes anything away from our
conversation here we've beenrambling on for 30, 40 minutes
is relationships are everything.
Um, you know, right now I'm I'mfortunate to mentor some of the
UBC men's hockey players, andsomething I love to do.
Every year We've got 40 or 50alumni members that that get
every year.
Get a new player, take them todinner, take them to lunch.
(46:50):
Just talk to them about life.
And every summer, some of themyou know, whether it's KPMG or
Royal banks, and these majormajor companies are looking for
interns.
They're looking for 500applicants.
We'll have a relationship orconnection that says, oh, this
kid's a great kid, I vouch forhim.
(47:10):
All of a sudden, they'll get anopportunity to go intern at one
of these places.
Sometimes you hand in theseresumes and like it's just,
they're just faceless names on aresume.
So I just implore everybody outthere, if they're looking to
build a business, a company,look no further than the closest
friends and family that youhave in your life.
They're the people that willget you those interviews, those
(47:32):
jobs, and if you've made somemistakes, that's okay too.
Like everyone gets secondchances in this life.
So just look at yourself in themirror, own up to whatever has
happened and recognize thatrelationships will change
everything, and that's somethingthat's been instrumental for me
.
You can be the smartest personin the room, but if you don't
have the relationships to getyou that interview or get you
(47:53):
that opportunity, it doesn'tmatter.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
And that's a.
It leads perfectly.
As we wrap up, two minutes leftyour third period.
Uh, as someone who's listenedto the pod, you know we wrap up
by asking our guests theirbiggest piece of advice for the
next gen.
I know you just gave away that,that tidbit, but from an
athletic, entrepreneurship,overall life standpoint,
anything else you want to leaveour guests with?
Speaker 1 (48:17):
I think, honestly, it's just all of that, and if I
could wrap it up in one onephrase one of my closest mentors
use this phrase and I'll, and Iuse it all the time.
But if you think of arelationship like capital, you
never spend it, you onlyreinvest it.
It's what can I do for you?
How can I help you?
So if you give me a call to howhey, how can I help you in the
athletes podcast and I'm noteven looking for anything for me
(48:38):
, and then, if it's somethingcomes down the road on the other
side, amazing.
But it's like when you leadfirst with how can I help
someone else, how can I makeintroduction, not ask for
anything, just do that from thegoodness of your heart.
You'd be amazed at how manytimes those conversations come
back.
Those people will call you back.
You're looking for a favor sixmonths later and it comes back
the other way because you areoffering your services first.
(48:59):
So that's, to me, is thebiggest thing that I I take away
from every single day is isjust having that integrity and
honesty as a person, becausethat will be the the, the people
that you will be responding toin the future.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
So it's all about the people.
Servant leader Doug Lynch.
Thanks for coming on theAthletes Podcast.
Thanks, david.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Great being here.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
We'll get you on again once we can release all
those new brands that you'rebringing on, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
And next time let's go into overtime and crack some
pints.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Oh, okay, we've got to do an overtime segment.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Okay, there you go, so we finish driving overtime.
Segment patio pints.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
I love overtime segment, patio pints.
I love it.
It'll be, uh, luke gazdik 2.0.
Okay, 2.0.
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Here's the 255th episode of theAthletes Podcast.
Here we go.
You're the most decoratedracquetball player in US history
, world's strongest man, fromchildhood passion to
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professional athlete, eight-timeIronman champion.
So what was it like making yourdebut in the NHL?
What is your biggest piece ofadvice for the next generation
of athletes, from underdogs tonational champions?
This is the Athletes Podcast,where high-performance
individuals share their triumphs, defeats and life lessons to
educate, entertain and inspirethe next generation of athletes.
(01:55):
Here we go.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Sunglasses, no sunglasses.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You can rock sunnies.
Okay, I just didn't know it'skind of sunny.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It's kind of cloudy, it's raining.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Classic, uh, classic vancouver pnw weather right here
, you know just overcast,sometimes sunny literally
dropping off my girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Uh, she's having a lunch with her girlfriend.
It's pouring rain in port moody.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I drove like three minutes and it's not raining yet
, so and it's kind of sunny, sowell, you would have seen
weather all over the world andexperienced some pretty
incredible weather yeah ineurope, I imagine well it was so
cool in europe is the buildingslike the hockey buildings are
(02:39):
so much different than northamerica.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It's like our home rank.
When I was in salzburg therewas like um windows around the
entire sorry, not me, maybethere's something like this like
like the one and a half cornersof the rink.
Okay, so one of the ends andfully along the side was all
windows, so like you'd bepracticing at like 10 o'clock in
the morning and seeing like thegerman austrian alps and like
(03:01):
the snow and you're like itlooks like you're in a post
postcard yeah, and I rememberhearing your podcast, other ones
previously you would go foryour morning walks or your
pre-game walks and you get tosee these postcards.
It's it's unbelievable.
I always just say it's like asnow globe, like living over
there.
It's like you turn the snowglobe over.
It's like that's the citiesthat that I lived and I was
fortunate enough to be in europe.
But there's just thearchitecture and everything is
(03:22):
just so different than NorthAmerica.
It's the history, history andeverything has to be built, like
into these old facilities orbuildings, like you can't.
There's no more land, right,and everything was built for
like horse and buggies, yeah, soit's like a lot of places in
the old town parts of well, Iwas in Salzburg specifically was
just walking only so you had topark your car outside the city.
(03:45):
Like Venice is the same way,right, like it's how it's
sinking, but you park your caroutside the city and walk in.
It's like such a coolexperience Just be walking
around with people and shoppingand restaurants.
There's no cars.
Favorite city to play in.
You know what's tough is.
It's always the people likecity wise and I agree, people in
Salzburg, and when you'rewinning it's always easier.
So I love salzburg.
(04:05):
I was there for almost six, sixto seven years, so it felt like
home yeah um, I was inguthenberg, sweden, for for half
a season.
That was incredible.
It's probably my favorite cityI liked, even better than
stockholm.
Um, in sweden, I mean playinghockey in canada, like in
edmonton and toronto, like thatwas super fun because it's just
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the culture and the passion andit's always the people Like.
I remember Peoria, illinois,which people might not think is
like it's a small city, smallMidwest city, unbelievable guys
we had on our team.
It's like we had so much fun,even though maybe the city
didn't offer as much as some ofthe other big cities and other
big markets.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Incredible time there for two years and an amazing
experience because the people Iwas with teammates I was with so
well.
Now that you don't have to be aprofessional athlete, you can
kind of tailor your workouts abit more yeah, probably right.
You're not just training to bethe best hockey player you can
be yeah, and it's what I have todo.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's funny I did a mobility class yesterday which
is literally just stretching foran hour.
Now as, like it's your point, Ijust want to work out to, to
stay lean, I can't have the samemuscle mass.
I'm not looking to increasemuscle mass, but like I don't
stretch, like I should no showup lift weights.
45 minutes sauna done, yeah,like I don't spend 30 minutes
(05:19):
rolling out and stretching whichof course, I should do.
So even yesterday doing amobility class for an hour, I'm
like I have to startimplementing this.
Like can't just be throwing theweights around.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's amazing for me to hear because I hear it weekly
that I should be stretching,doing all of these things, and I
also, you know, spend my 45minutes hammering the weights,
my 20 minutes in the sauna and Isay see you later.
It's tough to incorporate anhour and a half two hours into
your day when you are anentrepreneur.
When you do have otherresponsibilities, you've
probably been able to managethis.
(05:50):
I'm trying to manage thisconversation over the next 30,
45 minutes how we're going toget all of this in, because you
got a lot that we can cover.
You're kind of the idealindividual when I think of the
athletes podcast and bringingsomeone on.
Oh, thank you.
Not only from the athleticstandpoint, from the knowledge,
the ability to apply what you'velearned as an athlete now post
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career, to entrepreneurship.
So I figured we'd break it intothree periods.
We'll go the athletics routesince you're a hockey player
drafted in the second round tothe NHL Edmonton Oilers.
No big deal.
No big deal.
Three chips over in europe oversix, seven, eight years.
Mem cup winner as well.
So we'll cover the athletics,okay, then we'll go into the
(06:33):
entrepreneurship and then thethird period, to close things
out, we'll just talk advice forthe next gen.
Okay, identify kind of how youwould maybe do things
differently or what you'velearned throughout the process,
what advice you would provide.
So things differently, or whatyou've learned throughout the
process, what advice you wouldprovide.
So first period athletics youstart playing hockey at the age
of three.
Your dad's a professionallacrosse player.
How the heck do you come to bedrafted to the NHL?
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What were those kind of 16years, 15 years in between?
What did they look like?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, so I grew up in Coquitlam BC.
Born on the North Shore inNorth Vancouver, Grew up in
Coquitlam BC, when we're drivingright now when we're driving
right now buddy In home In home.
Actually, I don't spend a lot oftime out here, so it's actually
really fun being out here andseeing how much it's changed and
how different it looks.
I got my two little brothers tolive out here with to soccer
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and, obviously, in Canada,playing ice hockey.
Took a liking to ice hockey,played since I was three years
old.
All my brothers played.
My parents were incredible,never pushed us, but also
recognized that athletics issuch an important part of
character building for any young, young, young person and, uh,
loved my teammates.
I've always gravitated towardsthe team sports um as much.
(07:53):
I love golf now and I play golf, of course, with my buddies,
but, like I loved all the teamsports and um, being from
vancouver, we don't have outdoorice.
I remember going red deer myfirst time as a 16 year old and
seeing outdoor rinks.
The kids would just go play onall day long.
I'm like, oh my god, I wouldhave never come home if I grew
up in Vancouver, the outdoorright.
So my upbringing, david, likewas it was a ton of ball hockey,
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street hockey, in the driveway,in the garage, stick handling
my basement, like doing whateveryou could to stay within the
sport and I, at the end of theday, whatever it's that malcolm
gladwell 10 000 hour rule,whatever you kind of subscribe
to, but I was never, ever worklike.
It was never like, oh god, Igotta go shoot pucks today in
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the garage against a plywoodpiece of plywood my dad would
put up against the wall like Ilove doing.
It didn't feel like a job,never, never felt like a job.
And you know most athletes toget to those highest levels,
like everybody works extremelyhard but it doesn't feel like
work.
It doesn't feel like you're gotpunching the clock.
It's like you're doing itbecause you love it.
And I think Steve jobs had agreat saying and I always
(08:58):
butcher it but basically,whatever you do, if to get to
this type of level, if you don'tlove it, it just looks like
you're crazy.
Because, like I would be thekid I'd be like four or five
years old, I'd watch athree-hour canuck game, like
with my dad on the couch and mydad's like yeah, I don't think
it was common to have.
Like you'd be three or fouryears old and you'd sit there
(09:19):
and watch a three-hour hockeygame, like your attention span,
like I was just mesmerized by it.
So, like you can tell early onthat, that you definitely take a
gravitate towards something,and for me it was sports and
ultimately hockey so you takethis hockey career.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I start playing at the age of three, you're drafted
by the red deer rebels at 15.
You end up winning the Mem Cupwith that team.
As a 17-year-old I believe YepFirst championship experience
with a team I know.
You said you grew up in anassociation that wasn't familiar
with winning Yep so you wereable to sharpen both ends of the
(09:58):
stick we'll say Yep and getfamiliar with losing when you're
young and also experiencewinning at a young age.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, no, no, it's.
It's interesting you said thatbecause I obviously wouldn't
change anything but growing upin coquitlam like there's so
many good hockey players in oursmall area, like between
coquitlam, port moody and pocolike, we had three triple a
teams in that small area whereyou go to teams some other
places, and they'd have 10 timesthe population of one triple a
team.
So we had so much competition.
But it's also watered downbecause there's three separate
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triple a programs growing up andwe were never particularly good
and I remember one scout said,uh, that they want, they wanted
to draft me and I end up goingto red deer.
But they were going to draft melater on and said, like the
reason we love the way you playis, even if you're losing a game
, six or seven one, you're stillthat kid.
That was like blocking a shotor finishing your check in the
corner or back checking.
Yeah, and that's that's thecharacter we like to see.
(10:51):
And again, even if you are in alosing environment, sometimes,
as it, as every organizationgoes through look in the nhl,
look in every pro sport you'regoing to go through the doldrums
of not having those top endguys to win championships and it
doesn't matter, because there'sstill people watching every day
and you're still learning fromthat experience and building the
characters as a young adult.
(11:12):
And then going to red deer, wecame in my first year.
I think we had 13 first yearplayers I think it was six 16
year olds and like four, five,six, seven, 17 year olds and
generally very uncommon at thatlevel to have so many young
players.
And Brent Sutter was our headcoach then and he just instilled
us as this work ethic, thisdrive, no complacency.
(11:32):
So a 16-year-old year was atough year.
We didn't do a lot of winning.
We got beat up physically, wegot beat up emotionally, like we
got beat up literally in thatleague.
It's a tough league to play inand then coming in as a 17 year
old, all of us now we're we'reso much.
I feel like I was so much older.
I was only one year older, butbecause of what we went through
the year before and the trustthat brent put into us and then
(11:54):
for us to kind of run throughthat league that year, uh, win,
win the wto championship andultimately win the memorial cup,
like really taught me howimportant the team is.
In fact, that if you can come asa group of people and
businesses, we'll get to it inthe third period.
The same way, if you can be agroup of people and win,
everybody wins as an individualand everybody's role is
(12:18):
different.
You need to have specific rolesand everyone might be competing
for something different.
It might be, uh, to get draftedin NHL.
It might be to sign a somethingdifferent.
It might be to get drafted inthe NHL.
It might be to sign a procontract, it might just to have
a spot on the team for next year, but it doesn't really matter
what the individual goal is, aslong as the collective is
aligned, and that's what Ilearned as a 17-year-old my
second year in the WesternHockey League.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So interesting.
You say that because it makesme think.
Even doing the podcast here forfive plus years because it
makes me think.
Even doing the podcast here forfive plus years.
It's like adding partners,sponsors, like perfect sports
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Who powers the athletes podcast, like pioneer auto group, who's
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And if you have people who youbring together to one common
(13:00):
goal, it's so cool to seeeveryone align towards that
vision.
You see it in sport at a youngage and you don't really realize
it as a kid.
But then you apply it inbusiness.
You're like whoa, I have allthese skills that I've learned
as a kid through sport that Ican now apply later on.
You probably have that tenfoldfrom all the experience.
Um winning dub, you get draftedto your kind of almost hometown
(13:25):
team in the senseands Red Deer,edmonton, only a couple hours
away.
That's got to know someemotions.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It was unbelievable.
I remember you kind of have afeeling teams are watching
throughout the year but you'rereally just trying to focus on
your game Because you knowthere's people every night
watching you play and you'rejust as an athlete.
You're just focusing on theteam, the structure, the system
and have it have having successas a group and knowing that that
, like I alluded to a second ago, all the other stuff will take
(13:53):
care of itself if you focus onthe success as a group.
And um finished that year withthe cup and going to the draft
and I had, um, you know, at thecombine, 20 or interviews or
whatever it was, because I wasrated in the second round so
every team had a chance to kindof take me.
So I had lots of interviews andjust getting to talk to
different teams how differentcultures were I could tell just
(14:15):
in these tiny little hotel roomsdifferent cultures.
And some of the interviews Ihad were terrible and like maybe
I was terrible, maybe it was awrong fit for the team, and like
it's so funny then, lookingback, like I had such an
incredible interview withedmonton amazing people hockey
guys, I mean rich just down theroad.
I'm a western canadian kid so Iremember, um, that year one of
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our best players was kyle wanvig.
He didn't sign so he went backin the draft.
So I knew there's three or fourof us that played in red deer
that were rated in the topcouple rounds, and so the
minnesota wild came to pick likeI think like 36 somewhere in
there, like like mid 30s, andthey go from the red deer rebels
and like the two of my buddiesI believe had already gone the
(15:02):
first round or one for sure,colby armstrong and jeff waywick
, I think two guys went in thefirst round already and I was
kind of next up on the list andminister wild stepped up, said
you know, for mr wild, for thered deer rebels like to draft,
I'm like my heart like like itjust starts beating so fast like
oh my god, I'm going tominnesota.
Like I'm like I did, I'm tryingto think like that quickly,
like what was the interview?
(15:22):
Like what was Minnesota?
Like I've only been there acouple times.
And then they go, kyle Wanvig,yeah, because no one kind of we
all kind of forgot that he'dgone back in the draft and
didn't know where he was goingto go, and so it was such a
funny thing.
It was like an up and down overthe course of like 10 seconds
and I was like, oh okay, wow,okay, well, okay.
So I thought it was memissoula,wasn't.
And then, sure enough, four orfive picks later, whatever it
(15:44):
was, uh, edmonton comes up andsays, from the red deer rebels,
I'm like, oh man, I don't thinkthere's anybody else, I think
it's gonna be me and I'm havingso excited.
Kevin lowe, scott hausen, craigmctavish guys you'd watched
growing up playing, yeah, yeah,rooting for um, uh, I mean just
being just again the oilers, thedynasties they had.
(16:05):
I was obviously very, veryyoung, but hearing the stories
and it's incredible to go toedmonton and what an amazing
culture and again it's, you know, once an oiler, always an oiler
, and I still cheer for them.
I still cheer for my friendsthat are in the front office and
in the training staff and thecoach I know when the coaching
staff anymore, but trainingstaff, the doctors and things
like that.
It's just really, reallyspecial to a have that chance.
(16:28):
Whether you play an nhl game ornot, being drafted is just that
real nice culmination of thatjunior career that you had
starting at three years old,yeah, well, and you can say you
played in the nhl buddy two winsyeah, undefeated.
I'm defeating the.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
NHL come on yeah let's go.
That was.
That can never be taken awayand I know it's probably you
talked about in a previouspodcast all about, like the
transition to Europe, how it's.
You didn't make the NHL.
There's some ego associatedwith that, but clearly you were
able to win games no matterwhere you played, and you
(17:05):
probably played well enough todeserve to be there.
But, like you mentioned,there's not always an
opportunity for people to slideinto those roles.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
There is a business side of everything and there's a
business side to sports and atthat level you've got contracts.
You've got there's only 50contracts allowed per team
within the nhl and the minors.
So you not only have to be goodenough to play at that level,
which I was for a short periodof time, but the cards didn't
(17:37):
align where I was good enough tostay in the nhl for an extended
period of time and success isrelative david and we'll get to
probably that a little bit laterinto the business stuff.
But I played two NHL games.
I obviously wouldn't changeanything for the world, but I
look back sometimes and, man, mycareer, I was a failure.
Like I didn't play 20 years, Iwasn't a Hall of Famer, because
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that's the goals you set foryourselves.
Like you have to set theseincredibly hard-to-attain goals.
I mean less than 1% of 1% ofkids that play hockey ever make
it to any NHL game and so that'san incredible accomplishment.
But at the time I felt like Iwas a failure because I didn't
have the career that I dreamt ofas a kid.
And then obviously you alludedto like the soft skills you
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learned during that wholejourney and again it really
comes back down to people andrelationships and I learned that
early on from my parents.
Having three younger brothers,having a big family and being
the eldest so taking on maybe amore of a not a leader type role
, but just having three youngerbrothers, you gotta look out for
them, you gotta not protectthem.
They're all big, strong kidsbut like yeah, they're my little
(18:43):
brothers, like don't mess withthose kids.
And it's like you learn howimportant teammates are, family
is and every team I've played onall the teams that won, we were
a family.
Like I still talk to all notall of them but close friends on
every one of the teams I wonthat won a championship, because
there's something special abouta group that can come together
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and win.
And for me, winning in the NHLfor two games I played
incredible experience, neverchanged it for the world.
And then, of course, moving onin my career and then winning
the Kelly Cup in the East CoastHockey League and winning the
championships in Europe, neverforgetting that you're really
playing for each other and themore you like each other, the
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easier it is to battle for eachother.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And just the ability to have friends from so many
different places.
Now too, I think that on itsown, like just the network
you've been able to build,probably, you know, as we enter
the intermission here, move intothe second period, it's like
now, having built a business,you probably would not be able
to scale it to where you're atcurrently if you had stayed in
(19:51):
one.
You're in the gym.
You don't feel good.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
You're traveling, you're battling, you're injured,
you're sore, you're comingtogether.
You earn that trust and respectfrom a group and then, 20 years
later, people don't forget that.
And so then, starting abusiness career after retiring,
picking up the phone, I was sooverwhelmed and and appreciative
that all these guys would stilltake my calls and, like some of
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these guys I haven't seen in 10, 12, 15 years, but, like dougie
, we battle together like yeahand like same thing for me.
Like guys will call I playedwith, take, I'll take their call
any day of the week, give themadvice, uh, whatever, whatever
small role I could play in theirsuccess.
I'm happy to do it because Iknow what kind of character they
have and I'm so fortunatebecause then, even in the
business world, you have alittle bit of built in street
(20:52):
cred to make it to a level likethat.
People know that you can battleand show up on time and be
accountable, take criticism,work as a team.
And I'm just such a proponentIf you can't hear already in my
voice of sports as a youngperson.
What it teaches you for therest of your life is, I think,
one of the greatest life skillsyou can learn.
(21:12):
You can learn how to doPowerPoints, you can learn how
to do spreadsheets and and allof that stuff, but to really
learn what it's like to workwith a group of people and
battle and compete, uh it, it.
It can serve you for yourentire life, no matter what
business you're in.
Compete.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It can serve you for your entire life, no matter what
business you're in.
I've been trying to stress thatfor five plus years now on the
pod getting every kind ofathlete on, because I think
that's also important for themto see not only hockey players
but to see javelin throwers, tosee shot putters, to see
gymnasts and the fact thatwhether you're five foot, six
feet or seven feet, you canstill play probably the majority
of sports and there's going tobe value that you obtain from
(21:50):
playing those other ones 100 tothe main sport that you're
actually trying to get to.
But even then, that might notbe the end goal.
Maybe it's just overalllongevity, health, wellness.
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Speaker 2 (22:06):
Okay, so we're going to get a little boost in uh
boost me up right, why not?
I figure it helps me focus.
I take it before I play gamesand you're familiar with their
sleep and their refresh.
I take that one.
Yeah, there you go, there yougo.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Look at that.
The sleep one sleep one's great.
Uh, there's three of them thatI've taken.
There's a Relax One, a SleepOne and a Boost.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
One right, yeah.
And then Men, for those wholike to get after it, yes, which
we don't.
No, no, never, never, only onspecial occasions, like when I
win Beer League Championshiptonight.
I'm not playing an alumni gamelike yourself.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Champions are champions.
This is true.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Let's go game like yourself, champions are
champions.
Okay, this is true, let's go,it doesn't matter coming off a
three.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Nothing shutout last night.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Uh, ashl, you know it's okay, we're okay, I gotta.
I gotta make sure my game's atthe level that it needs to be,
so that when mules invites meout, or jeff on wednesday
mornings, monday nights, fridayafternoons, yeah I gotta be
ready for those games, becausethey're intense you gotta be
ready, and there's some skatersout there, there's players, well
, you don't.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yes, the stakes are obviously a lot lower when
you're just playing for fun, butthe competitive juices don't
turn off never.
And what I find now is I canonly play with a certain group
of people, uh, that have alsoplayed at these high levels
because, like there's, they'relike everything levels.
Because, like there's, likeeverything's safe, everyone is
there's no, there's no BS.
(23:29):
But like you're, you'recompeting, yeah.
Like you're not just mailing itin.
You make a bad patch.
You float around like no guysare still battling, like there's
some pride on the line and uh,I get you man, you gotta stay
too.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, it is the.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Uh, you know you got 16 guys that are all battling
out there and if you don't stopthat, puck oh there's nothing
worse than you've been battling,and battling, and battling, and
there's a soft goal from thehalf wall that sneaks through
the seven hole and it justdeflates the whole team.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Don't be that guy trust me don't be that guy if
nothing else in life, I strivetowards avoiding being that guy
at all costs.
That is my goal in life, ifnothing else.
And but it brings up a goodpoint.
I asked linus last week.
I was like who are some of thebest goalies that you played
against?
Like you gotta have some.
That couldn't, you couldn't getanything past, or that you guys
(24:23):
had trouble.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So I've got two really good.
Well, I've got lots, but my twofavorite goalie stories is one
I played with a gentleman namedmarty turco.
Yeah, I've heard of marty turcoabsolute legend.
Uh, shout out, he's got a greatuh beer company yeah, now check
it out if you guys haven't seenit.
(24:44):
Um, so marty came play with usin salzburg for a couple months.
We then played in the spangercup together and then he
re-signed back in the nhl, Ithink with the bruins and
marty's obviously legendary forplaying the puck.
Yeah, uh, arguably like I meanright up there with martin
broder, like as one of the bestof all time, and of course you
know that as a player coming in.
(25:05):
And so I remember, uh, inpractice going, oh my goodness,
this is unbelievable.
Like I don't have to pivot andgo back to the, my own net
anymore, I can just like peeloff to the, to the boards, and
get a breakout pass.
Like this is unbelievable.
So remember our first gametogether at home in salzburg,
opening draw.
(25:25):
Uh, the puck is a littlescramble off the opening, face
off, and gets dumped in, youknow, towards our goal, towards
marty.
Yeah, and I remember, likebackpiling, backpiling, pivoting
, and I pivot, maybe right atthe top of the circle, like,
like, like reant line, ish, likea couple strides in front of
the blue line.
I turn around and this puckjust goes right by my face like
(25:47):
like a six foot high sauce passthis way for a breakaway for our
team.
The other way, I'm like, oh, Ican get used to this like this,
I can get used to this pivotingaround.
I think I'm gonna pick up thepuck behind the net like you do
normally.
Yeah, and breakout pass isgoing the other way.
I'm like I'll take a plus yeahdo anything.
This is great.
So Marty was incredible, one ofthe best teammates I ever had.
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We had so much fun together.
And then I was also fortunateenough to play in Sweden during
the second lockout.
So our team was stacked.
We had, like, matt Duchesnecame over and played and then we
had a great group of local guysthat were from Gothenburg,
sweden, guys that are fromgothenburg, sweden, so like
henrik lungquist, eric carlson,daniel alfredson, victor
(26:31):
stallberg, louis erickson, like,just like are you kidding me?
Like it was unbelievable.
So I remember those guys wereall practicing with us.
Um, only maddie deshane and Ithink victor and louis got into
some games.
The rest of the guys were justwaiting to see what the locket
was gonna happen, but theypracticed with us, right, and I
remember our, our king, henrik,was our third, third string
goalie and, uh, one practice.
I think one of our guys eitherwas sick with the flu or got
(26:54):
injured prior to practice.
We our second guy couldn't,couldn't practice.
So henrik came in and was oursecond goalie for practice.
And everything's in swedishover there and there's only
there's only three or fourimports allowed.
We had a Norwegian guy, aFinnish guy, a Danish guy and
then me.
Me and Matt were the onlyEnglish-speaking guys.
Everything's in Swedish.
(27:14):
All the guys are incredible.
They try to make you feel apart of it, but it's kind of
hard when every coach is inSwedish.
I remember we were going througha little bit of a tough spell
six or seven-game losing streakor maybe one tie in six games,
like not doing well, and we'regetting called in about you know
, 12 minutes.
15 minutes into practice, coachpulls a whistle, brings all the
(27:35):
guys together and like inpractice you're focused on your,
whatever it is you're doing,and like you kind of have an
idea of what's happening, butlike I don't know if we're
scoring goals, not scoring goals, or guys are making good passes
, if it's crisp, like I'm kindof focused on me and my defense
partner, what we're doing right.
So so we get called in and thecoach is yelling us in swedish
and like this and that, andfinally he just stops and kind
of says it in english becauselike I like you're not listening
(27:58):
or whatever, and basically he'slike henrik, we haven't won in
six games.
We haven't scored a goal in thefirst 15 minutes.
In practice, like we need alittle confidence here.
Can you let a few in?
So I guess and people wouldappreciate they played hockey
like how many shots are taken ina 15, 20 minutes into a
(28:19):
practice?
Like 100 shots are taken.
King Henrik hadn't let in asingle goal in practice and the
coach was mad because we're likewe need some more confidence.
Henrik, you're not helping ushere.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's a tough situation when you're telling
your goalie to stop, stop andpuck.
Yeah, like, come on Like well,you'd appreciate this.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
We'd do like three puck after practice.
It'll go for 40 minutes Likenobody could.
You'd get maybe one in, butguys, we'd start with 12 players
.
There'd be seven players left30 minutes in.
We're like, we're exhausted.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Well, you know, kevin Wood woodley, of course in goal
mag, and so I've been fortunateto follow in goal mag's journey
over the past decade withkevin's amazing what a hockey
guy and he can still play tooyeah, well, I play against him
on mondays and fridays and, uh,he and hutch obviously hutch
being my uncle I've been able towitness that firsthand and how
they've grown and seeing all thegoalies that they get to talk
to and this is kind of anextension in the overlap and
(29:20):
when you hear about some howgood these goalies are, and when
you hear it from the horse'smouth, yeah, like 30, 40 minutes
into practice and these guysstill can't score, like I don't
know to me I'm always curious,especially when you get to see
the best of the best during alockout year like that.
Yep, um, transitioning, I guesswe're, we're kind of mid second
period here we were.
(29:41):
We're talking athletics.
At what point did you realizeplaying with all these people
yourself competing that?
Hey, maybe the apparel I'mwearing I could get into this
space.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You know what, honestly, david, I never really
thought much about thatspecifically while playing.
It was starting to be more oflike okay, my career like I've
played 10, 12 years, whatever itkind of was getting near the
end and it was more of like okay, life after hockey is coming
for me, you've made some decentmoney, but you're not making
(30:12):
money to retire forever likesome of the guys that make, and
I was never a superstar oranything like that.
And so you start thinking aboutlife after hockey and from
there you recognize it again Idon't know how many times I
gotta say it, but I said earlierlike relationships and starting
recognize that my, my worldafter hockey will be someone
(30:35):
from these relationships.
Like that's just the way I wasbuilt and the way my mind works,
like I'm not really a corporateguy uh, getting a job punching
a clock.
I'm more of like let's do,let's create, do a project
together and have more of anentrepreneurial mindset, where
I'm sure I've got it from myparents, who are both very
successful entrepreneurs intheir own right, and I think
(30:59):
that's where I was more justopen to like okay, after hockey,
what am I interested, what am Ilooking forward to doing?
And I was definitely interestedin staying in, like doing what
you know right, knowing athletes, knowing sports, knowing
competition.
And then it just happened stancewith me retiring in portland,
oregon, um, I started running ahockey program there with so
many of the families working forNike or Intel two largest
(31:20):
employers in the state andgravitated towards the Nike
people because we'd connect overathletics.
And then that really startedopening my mind up to the world
of textiles which, to be quitehonest, if you said it while I
was playing that I'd be in thetextile business.
I'd have said that doesn't makeany sense, like it's such a
massive world I know nothingabout.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
So it's funny how it's exactly what I want to be
doing because it's a brand newindustry for me, but it still is
everything I love in the sports, athletic and performance world
.
And Zenkai, originally nowPhilem Incorporated,
incorporated tag teaming.
Can you break down how thoseoperate?
Who's involved?
To who you can share isinvolved?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I guess from the front facing standpoint, yes of
technology behind it too.
Yeah, absolutely so.
When I was in portland I got toknow some of the highest people
at nike if their kids playedice hockey because I was running
the hockey program there at theWinterhawk Skating Center and
got to meet this gentlemanthrough a mutual friend at Nike
that started the technologycalled Filium, and Filium is
(32:30):
this incredible material sciencethat can be applied to any
textiles, giving it supernaturalperformance.
So you can't.
Generally, guys like me and yougrew up wearing cotton t-shirts
at gym class or even underneathour hockey equipment for sort
of playing.
Now you're wearing like thesehighly synthetic base layers
that are have performanceproperties.
However, they're not good forthe planet or for your body and
(32:54):
so but you can't wear a cottonshirt because it's no
performance right it's heavy, itsticks shirt because it's no
performance, right, it's heavy,it sticks to you, it's absorbent
.
So, with our, this materialscience that this scientist
created, basically took that andlike, well, how can we apply
that to something that's betterfor the environment, better for
your skin, better for the health, performance and wellness of
the planet and individual?
Well, we took that technologyand applied it to cotton.
(33:15):
So now a cotton shirt, which isa natural, reoccurring thing in
nature, could be, now be aperformance fabric and so from
there that's when that lightbulb went off is growing up.
You know, as a pro athlete,wearing synthetic base layers or
you know, toxic materials forsix, seven, eight hours a day,
(33:35):
man, I started, startedquestioning, like, well, I can't
be good for you being, you know, having oil and plastic against
the largest organ on your body,which is your skin.
Yeah, so that's kind of whatset us on, him and I together,
and we created our own brandcalled zen kai sports.
Uh, drived off the japanese,japanese philosophy of
continuous improvement, which iskai zen, and we're the first
people to take cotton and put itinto base layers for pro
(33:58):
athletes.
So now, as a hockey player,baseball, lacrosse, and we would
say, base layer is whereapparel becomes equipment,
because now it's you can't likethat's.
That's the first layer that youput on to go into your sport,
and whether it's golf now, golf,basketball, guys are wearing
full sleeves, legs for for baselayer and compression.
(34:20):
So us giving it a naturaloption, we're the first ones to
do it and it's went extremelywell and over the course of four
or five years.
We then were acquired by um, youknow a group of people,
investors my partner, I puttogether and we created philium
corp.
So philium corp then acquiredzen kai sports, so it's now just
(34:41):
our concept brand that wecontinue to hand out samples.
You and I can rock them, lookgreat in them and, uh, wear them
around.
But our philium corp is amaterial science company, so
we're licensing that technologynow the world's biggest brands
and it's been an incrediblejourney for me coming from
strictly talking to athletes andwe're right now represented in
(35:02):
every major sport in the worldand NBA, nhl, mlb, bellator, ufc
for fighting, pga Golf,ericsson Tour for golf.
We just signed Leah, of course,the Ericsson Tour.
Sorry, ericsson Tour andEricsson Tour.
So for us now validating thetechnology for pro athletes, now
we can take this to the bigcompanies and show that it works
(35:24):
.
It's not just a test tubeBunsen burner situation going on
.
It's a commercially viable,scalable product.
So that's how Zenkai becameFilium Corp.
So we're all still owned by thesame group of people and we've
got some incredible investorslike Ricky Fowler invested, and
Jonathan Tabes.
We've got Marty Turkle that Ireferenced earlier.
(35:44):
Again, relationship I've hadfor 20 years.
Never thought he'd want to beinvolved and I called Marty up
and absolutely I'm involved.
He brought two businesspartners in that wrote checks
into the company and like that'sa relationship that just by
showing up every day at the rinkand battling with someone, 20
years later invested in mycompany.
Yeah, and that's that's thepower of relationships.
And showing up every day, beingyourself, being
(36:08):
unapologetically who you are,you're going to attract the
people that want to be aroundthat and some people at the end
of the day, you want to besurrounded by people that take
your call and want to be a partof what you're doing, and just
being yourself is the only wayto do that.
So we've got some incredible.
We've got the Morris twins fromthe NBA, marcus and Markeef, as
investors.
We've got Cam Talbot, brendanDillon, nathan Rourke, brent
(36:32):
Suter Major League Baseballpitcher Brent Suter, major
League Baseball pitcher plus anincredible group of advisors and
ambassadors in many othersports.
Jasmine Spencer comes to mind.
She just signed for theVancouver Rise, the women's
soccer team here in Vancouver.
So for us we've got thisincredible stable of athletes
(36:57):
ambassadors, investors arehelped telling our story and
it's it's really humbling whenyou, when people work so hard to
make their money and then theywant to.
They see someone like you andwith an idea to want to invest
in that.
It's humbling, it's nervewracking and it's pressure.
But at the end of the day, Ilove pressure as an athlete,
it's a privilege.
It's a privilege Like, ifyou're not playing in the big
games, like that means youhaven't had success.
(37:18):
So if you're nervous going intoa big game, yeah, you could be
nervous, of course, but if youcan't grow and meet it, meet it,
you're in the wrong industry.
Yeah, like I remember one ofour coaches.
We'd bag skate and guys wouldcomplain this and that and the
coach is like, if you don't likeskating, like why are you a
professional ice hockey player,like that's literally all you do
(37:39):
.
You do, this is your job, thisis your job is to skate.
Yeah, it's not fun sometimeswhen you're getting bagged and
you're into practice, but, likeyou, literally just skating.
So, at the end of the day, thepressure that I feel as an
entrepreneur and building abusiness, it's nothing I this is
all I would ever want and I'mused to it.
I like it and I will eithersucceed or not succeed.
(38:00):
But keep my head held high andjust show up every single day in
battle and that's all that Ican control.
Not to get off topic, but we'redealing with the tariffs, we're
dealing with now in ourindustry, the cross-border
different stuff that's happeningwith our countries.
At the end of the day, I can'tcontrol any of that.
So me bitching and complainingto you or investors or advisors,
(38:22):
like that's not going to get usanywhere.
So how do you show up every dayin battle, can control what you
can control and it's everycliche in the book.
That's why they're cliches andfor me, I'm very overwhelmed and
appreciative of the supportI've been given and we're
looking to make this a bigsuccess and going on podcasts
like you and having this be ableto tell our story is one part
(38:44):
of that that I'm grateful for.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, and it's a testament to the fact that you
make high quality apparel, too.
Right Like you've got not onlythis new technology that allows
Leah John to pour a cup ofcoffee under her shirt and not
be stressed about it actuallystaining or leaving a mark, but
you're also wearing stuff thatpeople want to wear.
You can wear it during anathletic event.
You can wear it out casuallyright now, myself during a
(39:06):
podcast.
Right like that is theversatility that I love from it
the fact that it's eco-friendly.
I was talking about that withmy mom earlier.
Right, you're involved witheco-ath, eco athletes.
To tell me more sports.
What's you've got like threedifferent titles on LinkedIn.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah Well, I, I'm a I .
I love athletes.
I love I don't want to saygiving back, that sounds like
I've done more than I have butlike I, I love to be there to
support men and women that havealso gone through that journey
and recognizing that Olympicathletes, minor pro athletes and
(39:41):
it all of us have had the samejourney.
We've we've had the samedisciplines to make it to those
types of levels.
There's a certain amount ofcrazy that you have to have and
when you retire, it can bereally, really challenging.
It can be really challenging to.
It sounds crazy, like it soundsasinine, but I remember retiring
(40:01):
and I had nothing but free timeand you're like, oh my God,
like now, I could kill for notto have to do anything for one
day.
But I retired from hockey andyou're like I have no one
telling me where to go, where tobe, what my body fat needs to
be, what my bench press needs tobe, what I need to wear for for
some event, when's next timethe bus is leaving or flights
(40:22):
leaving, I had unlimited optionsand it was almost like
debilitating because you, Icould do anything I wanted.
Right, like what am I going todo with the rest of my day, I
have nothing on the schedule andno one telling me what to do
and where to go, and that wasactually really hard, yeah you
become accustomed to it.
Like since I was 14, 15, leavinghome to play hockey.
(40:43):
So for 15 years plus, youalways had this goal.
You always had this okay, well,next season's coming up, next
game's coming up, and it wasreally challenging.
So I worked through it in myown way.
And for me to be able to giveback to an eco-athlete a member
of the Post now, which is thisgreat group out of New York
(41:08):
founded by Christian Ponder, theex-NFL quarterback, and what
it's doing is it's justconnecting everybody with
athletes that sometimes arestruggling with mental health.
You know I've had sixundocumented concussions.
So when I played it was likeyou got your bell rung.
Oh, now it's called aconcussion, but like I've had
six of those I can count, if notmore and you wake up one day
(41:29):
and there is a scary aspect towhat I put my body through, just
like everybody else out there,to make it to that level, and
sometimes you just want to beable to sit and talk to people
that have also put their bodieson the line for that long, and
then to wake up one day and havethat organization not care
about you at all.
That's the dirty side of prosports.
(41:50):
They care about you when you'rewinning and you're playing and
you're performing and then thesecond the lights turn off and
you can no longer be of service.
They're going to go findsomeone else.
That's the business and we allknow that going in, and it's not
some secret.
I'm not a victim, I knew all ofthat.
But it's nice to connect withpeople that have also had those
experiences when you retire.
And if I could make a phonecall to help somebody out or
(42:12):
make an introduction to havesomeone get hired at a business,
I would welcome that.
So I've joined all these groupsto be able to be in that world
still.
If I can help out in a smallway, I'm very, very grateful for
the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Oh, let's talk about your new golf line you just
released Perfect Golf's comingup.
I'm going to be playing Golfseason.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I got room in the back of this Jeep I'll get you
some stuff.
Yeah, golf season, I got roomin the back of this jeep I'll
get you some stuff, yeah I'llget you.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I'll get you some stuff for sure, because I'm
gonna be playing lots of golfthis summer all around lower
mainland.
I gotta get my game back.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, you know, mules is bugging me, but we gotta get
out too.
I haven't.
I've got three or four golftournaments this summer.
I haven't.
Like I'm right now, it's likehockey mode is just finishing
yeah, yeah and like it's likenow golf clubs I gotta got to
dust them off and like so we gotto go for some rounds too for
sure.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah Well, we'll be up again this year at Kelowna
Hockey Fest.
Okay, we'll see you there.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
For sure We'll bring the clubs up, bring the clubs up
, for sure, and then I'm sureyou got a couple other tourneys.
I got, I got a few other, andso, anyway, long story short, we
got to go play golf this summerand um, what inspired, the?
(43:21):
the, the release for this newline, yeah, so with us being a
material science company, um,and now license our technology.
We're extremely excited toannounce one of our first major
partnerships with a group called1764 golf.
Uh, they own a company calledShort Power 4, which is the
largest golf subscriptioncompany in the world.
(43:43):
So we're launching for theMasters here coming up in a
couple weeks Hoodie Hawk andHarlow hoodie, men's and women's
all Philem activated.
So we're extremely excitedbecause now brands are helping
tell that story with natural,eco-friendly apparel powered by
philium.
So, uh, maybe we can throw alink in the in the chat when
(44:04):
we're for sure at the end of theof the show.
And, uh, please go check it,check out um, 1764 golf, graham
lux incredible partnership withphilium.
We've got another major onecoming with o'neill's, which is
the largest rugby company in theworld.
Okay, we're doing a fulltrainer kit with them.
Uh, we got a couple otherreally major ones I can't
announce quite yet, but comingup here 2025 you're gonna see
(44:27):
philium and lots of different uhretail stores online with
brands and every major sports uh, sports, um, vertical in the
world.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
So we're excited this is why we're getting you on the
athletes podcast right now.
I mean, what did we meet likesix, nine months ago?
We snapped a pic, we sent it tobrad thorpe talked about
isometrics briefly, yep, so manyoverlaps so many, in fact.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I talked to thorpey yesterday.
How's he doing awesome, yeah,awesome.
He's in toronto, guys in likeevery nba USA Navy.
Army, I can't.
He shared a few more with himyesterday.
I'm not going to release him incase he hasn't finalized the
deals yet, but like more NBAteams on the West Coast, he's
flying everywhere, so you got toget him on the podcast too.
Well, he was episode 175.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
There boom.
This is 255, there Boom, thisis.
This is two 55, two 55.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I know it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Look at you athletes podcast.
It's crazy.
It's crazy Thanks to partners,thanks to to you said like a
little bit of that crazinessCause I couldn't apply it myself
to the professional athleterealm.
So here I am just chatting withpeople and, selfishly, I get to
learn from individuals likeyourself and then I apply that,
(45:42):
I get to train with them.
Right, like part of what we'redoing here is, like you know,
we'll go play hockey or go tothe golf course and you know,
see what your skills are like onthe range.
Yeah, I'll be down with finleyknox, who's an olympic swimmer.
Go into the pool with him.
Get my ass handed to me outthere like you know, just
showcase to the world what davidstark can do compared to these
professional athletes right, wegot to get out with leo.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Go play around with her exactly.
She gave me some tips on myshort game, which is struggling
well, and that's the way youwere just talking about.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
You know how, being able to impact athletes, that's
what we're trying to do with.
Cook stark management too right, and fortunately we have people
like yourself who are willingto outfit some of our athletes
with incredible philium zen kaiapparel.
And it's so cool how the sportworld works that way.
Um, it does.
I didn't realize it growing upand I you know to your point now
(46:25):
the relationship piece, that'severything it's david, it's
everything.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
and if anybody takes anything away from our
conversation here we've beenrambling on for 30, 40 minutes
is relationships are everything.
Um, you know, right now I'm I'mfortunate to mentor some of the
UBC men's hockey players, andsomething I love to do.
Every year We've got 40 or 50alumni members that that get
every year.
Get a new player, take them todinner, take them to lunch.
(46:50):
Just talk to them about life.
And every summer, some of themyou know, whether it's KPMG or
Royal banks, and these majormajor companies are looking for
interns.
They're looking for 500applicants.
We'll have a relationship orconnection that says, oh, this
kid's a great kid, I vouch forhim.
(47:10):
All of a sudden, they'll get anopportunity to go intern at one
of these places.
Sometimes you hand in theseresumes and like it's just,
they're just faceless names on aresume.
So I just implore everybody outthere, if they're looking to
build a business, a company,look no further than the closest
friends and family that youhave in your life.
They're the people that willget you those interviews, those
(47:32):
jobs, and if you've made somemistakes, that's okay too.
Like everyone gets secondchances in this life.
So just look at yourself in themirror, own up to whatever has
happened and recognize thatrelationships will change
everything, and that's somethingthat's been instrumental for me
.
You can be the smartest personin the room, but if you don't
have the relationships to getyou that interview or get you
(47:53):
that opportunity, it doesn'tmatter.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
And that's a.
It leads perfectly.
As we wrap up, two minutes leftyour third period.
Uh, as someone who's listenedto the pod, you know we wrap up
by asking our guests theirbiggest piece of advice for the
next gen.
I know you just gave away that,that tidbit, but from an
athletic, entrepreneurship,overall life standpoint,
anything else you want to leaveour guests with?
Speaker 1 (48:17):
I think, honestly, it's just all of that, and if I
could wrap it up in one onephrase one of my closest mentors
use this phrase and I'll, and Iuse it all the time.
But if you think of arelationship like capital, you
never spend it, you onlyreinvest it.
It's what can I do for you?
How can I help you?
So if you give me a call to howhey, how can I help you in the
athletes podcast and I'm noteven looking for anything for me
(48:38):
, and then, if it's somethingcomes down the road on the other
side, amazing.
But it's like when you leadfirst with how can I help
someone else, how can I makeintroduction, not ask for
anything, just do that from thegoodness of your heart.
You'd be amazed at how manytimes those conversations come
back.
Those people will call you back.
You're looking for a favor sixmonths later and it comes back
the other way because you areoffering your services first.
(48:59):
So that's, to me, is thebiggest thing that I I take away
from every single day is isjust having that integrity and
honesty as a person, becausethat will be the the, the people
that you will be responding toin the future.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
So it's all about the people.
Servant leader Doug Lynch.
Thanks for coming on theAthletes Podcast.
Thanks, david.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Great being here.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
We'll get you on again once we can release all
those new brands that you'rebringing on, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
And next time let's go into overtime and crack some
pints.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Oh, okay, we've got to do an overtime segment.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Okay, there you go, so we finish driving overtime.
Segment patio pints.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
I love overtime segment, patio pints.
I love it.
It'll be, uh, luke gazdik 2.0.
Okay, 2.0.
You guys know if you've beenwatching.
Thanks for tuning in.
Hope you have a great day.
Just want to say thank you toeach and every one of you for
coming on watching this episode,consuming it on itunes, spotify
, wherever you're listening tothe show, it really sincerely
means the world to me.
We haven't been as consistentas I'd like to be, but ryan and
I were on the same page, ourproducers, putting out amazing
(49:59):
stuff.
Give him a shout out in thecomments for all his hard work
and again, pat yourself on theback for doing the hard stuff,
which is sometimes sitting downlistening or watching a podcast
that maybe you're going tobenefit from.
Maybe you're going to end upbeing able to take some
actionable insights and applythem to your life.
I hope this impacted youpositively.
Share this with another athletewho will benefit.
(50:20):
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Thank you, folks, for tuning in.
Hope you have a great rest ofyour day.
We'll see you next week.
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