October 6, 2025 • 24 mins
Ever wonder what the hosts of The Audit talk about when the mics are rolling but the formal interview isn't happening? This Field Notes episode gives you exactly that—unfiltered conversations covering everything from coffee preferences and glider flying to trademark scams targeting cybersecurity professionals.
Nick and Eric dive into Eric's latest aviation adventures (spoiler: gliders are apparently safer than planes with engines), share war stories about scam calls trying to exploit trademark filings, and swap tales about expensive vet visits. Plus, hear some nostalgic cybersecurity stories from the Wild West days when networks ran without firewalls and people could taste peanut butter straight from the jar at grocery stores.
Key Topics:
- Eric's glider pilot training and why it's "safer" than powered flight
- Trademark registration scams targeting IT professionals
- Coffee roasting tips from flight instructors
- Cybersecurity nostalgia: Temple University's router-only network
- Why Eric kept a scammer on the phone for 5 minutes during pickleball
Whether you're here for the cybersecurity insights or just want to know why Nick prefers Diet Coke to Coke Zero, this episode delivers the authentic conversations that happen between industry pros. Don't miss Eric's glider safety argument—it might just change your perspective on risk management.
#cybersecurity #infosec #fieldnotes #aviation #scamcalls #itauditlabs
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We're live.
Excellent.
What's going on, Nick?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome everybody.
How's it going?
Good, good, good here.
How are you, eric?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Good, we got a couple of podcasts coming out.
We're trying this one at adifferent time, right Noon
central time.
I'm not sure if I like it.
I kind of like that earlymorning.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm secretly worried about the morning with another
kid on the way getting on at 730 every morning, or uh, I guess
it's just once a month, sowe'll play with the time, but uh
, um, we'll see how it goes.
I like the 7 30 start timebetter as well we'll see you,
though, in what three weeks?
Three weeks today's the lastday until not much sleep.
(00:44):
Well, I probably won't get muchsleep for another 18 years, but
at least for the next few weeksit should be pretty rugged you
got to be excited.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, we're very excited.
Mother-in-law flew in yesterdayto help watch our daughter now
while we're at the hospital, soshe'll stay here.
But nice to have another set ofhands, especially when we get
back, maybe get a little nap inand and mima can uh take care of
both the girl, both the girlsthat's fantastic yeah, very
(01:12):
excited, thank, you, yeah, andwe've got uh sip cyber.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I think that's going live today jen matze's podcast
where she's visiting differentcoffee shops and doing a
five-minute or so overview ofsome cyber things.
Yep, which will be fun.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Is that live today, nick?
Yeah, I think it should begoing live today.
We'll double-check everything,but it should be going out and
the field notes from last timewent out today, so we've got a
lot in the hopper going out.
We're looking forward tohearing the feedback on Jen's
SIP Cyber Just another way toget out in the community, spread
the word of cybersecurity.
(01:52):
Check out another coffee shopor local business that she
chooses and, you know, leaveeverybody with.
You know maybe some extraknowledge, or you know just some
good piece of information thatmaybe they didn't think about.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So the last time we were talking about coffee right
Cause we were drinking coffeegetting started.
Now it's noon.
We've all had our coffee.
Um you an afternoon coffee guyor no?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm a morning coffee and then after that we're
hitting the Diet Coke.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
We get off the coffee , we go to the DCs.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Diet Coke, not Coke Zero.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I prefer Diet Coke but I don't dislike Coke Zero.
I like them both.
But yeah, even when I was inthe military we had some Diet
Cokes and Rippets.
Anybody else in the militaryout there will know exactly what
I'm talking about.
When we had the Rippets, we hadthe half can size.
I think it was a six-ouncer oran eight-ouncer, it was one of
those two sizes.
It wasn't a full can, but theycame in by the pallets and we
(02:47):
had them in the back of thetrucks and I think they're
outlawed from the military now.
I don't know if they had justtoo much caffeine in one shot or
what the deal was, but, um,when we start talking about
caffeine, I always think aboutuh, drinking, drinking rippets
all day.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But coffee in the morning, diet coke in the
afternoon nice, I'm a coke zeroguy, diet coke's okay, but I
prefer opposite of you and um,so I've been tinkering with
different coffees and we weretalking last time about you know
what we were drinking, and um,so I was doing some research
(03:23):
from I got put onto this by oneof the flight instructors.
I'm working on my glider ratingand I go down to the hangar one
day and he's got this popcornpopper sitting outside the
hangar and this is like, say,maybe nine, nine o'clock in the
morning or so, and the popcornpopper is out there and it's
(03:46):
it's got coffee beans in it.
So he's ordering his coffeebeans from, I think, this place
called sweet martha's, somethinglike that, and, um, they send
him the, the green beans,because apparently coffee is
only good within seven days ofroasting, something like that I
mean.
if you're a true connoisseur.
(04:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
But yeah, he made a good cup.
Beans were right there, roastedand then ground burr, not blade
grinder.
And yeah, we had an espressobefore we went out for a flight,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I have a lot to learn about coffee because I don't
know about the different ways toget the beans ready or prepare
the beans.
I do have to say and don't killme in the comments anybody we
got Tim Horton's ground for thecoffee machine.
That's what I had last time wewere on.
Not good, it's not good coffee.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I don't call it ground coffee in general.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I mean that's like going and getting bulgers right
you, you gotta grind it yourselfI used to.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We did do that in the past not regularly, but it has
been done.
I'll have to try it again.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Have to try it again why did you get tim hortons?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
no, no reason, just saw it.
Had to try it, try somethingdifferent.
Um, we were on a subscription Ithink I talked about this last
time from uh uh, black riflecoffee.
Um, they do, like you know,they send you the the bags, uh,
you know, every month orwhatever.
So we're getting a silencer.
Smooth was our favorite and uh,we are.
(05:25):
We ran out so ran over acrossthe street.
Um, anybody that knows texas atall will know heb uh grocery
store.
It's the greatest grocery storechain in the country and uh,
shout out to heb, sponsor us ifyou like and get us some good
coffee.
But, yeah, not on board withTim Horton's ground, but you
(05:46):
make a good point.
Maybe it's just the same eitherway.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Would you go up in a glider?
No, would you rather go in theglider or one with an engine.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well, one with an engine.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But you won't go up in that either.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I'll go up in a Delta plane.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So with the glider or a military jet they tow you
behind another airplane, right,they tow you up to about 5 000
feet you can go a little lessand then they drop you off.
Essentially pull the tow, itdisconnects, and then you're
(06:27):
able to glide around and you'relooking for these thermals
underneath clouds.
So that's what the thermals arewarm air rising and then they
cool and condense as they ascend, as they ascend, and that's why
(06:48):
you have those kind of cottonyclouds in the summertime that
are maybe about 3,000 feet or so.
So as the day heats up, thesun's heating the ground, get
these thermals, form theseclouds, and that's what you'll
see birds of prey circling inthe thermals right.
So I've been in a couple ofthose thermals before.
Where you've got there's somesort of eagle or something in
(07:11):
there with you which is reallycool, and you're just kind of
trying to find the thermalcircle up and then glide to the
next one.
But that's one form of gliding.
And in the mountains there'syou have the mountain waves from
the wind coming over themountains and then you can go up
(07:32):
to tens of thousands of feethow long are you gliding for?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
is there like a limit , like well?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
you can go down but but how?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
what?
I guess that the goal would beto stay up as long as possible.
I would assume, yeah.
So what is that like?
What kind of time frame are welooking at?
Is it like two minutes, or isit like a half hour, or uh, 15.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I think my shortest was 12, longest was 25 that's a
lot, yeah, a lot longer than Iwould expect it from a 5 000
foot drop, because the glidershave a great glide ratio like 48
to 1, which means for every 48feet forward they'll lose one
foot.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So you have two people in the glider, two people
in the glider Instructor behindSuper long wingspan?
I would assume yes.
So now, when you're gettingtowed on the runway, what's that
experience like?
Are we getting jerked aroundand all of a sudden we're
getting towed on the runway?
What's that experience like?
Are we getting like jerkedaround and all of a sudden we're
like getting towed off theground, or what Is it a pretty
smooth takeoff.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, it's pretty smooth, right?
You just you're kind ofleveling the wings that the tow
plane pulls forward, and thenyou're really just keeping the
wings neutral so they're notdragging on the ground back and
forth, and then you'll come upbefore the tow plane usually
because you glide obviouslybetter than the airplane.
(08:50):
So you'll be just maybe fivefeet off of the runway behind
the tow plane, and then, as thetow plane comes up, you just
have to keep the glider, keepthe wings of the tow plane just
above the horizon.
So you're just following up,trying not to jerk too much on
the tow plane or too much sideto side, because that makes it a
(09:11):
little difficult for the tow.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Plane pilot seems sketchy, no matter what I mean,
so there's got to be anemergency detail both.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
yes, you have the.
The tow rope is attached to theglider and you can always pull
the release on that and the towplane can do the same.
But the window of safety isreally 200 feet.
So if you have an engine out,say in the tow plane, then the
emergency procedure is to landstraight ahead.
(09:40):
At the airport that I fly outof, there's a small field off to
the right on one of the ends ofthe runway, so you know that if
you need to ditch out you canjust go to that field and then
if you're above 200 feet I thinkit's 500 feet you can actually
(10:02):
just circle around and land backon the the runway you got to be
on your best behavior.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
If you're going down, if you're dishing out, you're
going to be in your bed.
Well, that's what you weretelling me.
If we go up in your plane,something happens.
There's a lot of safetymechanisms but we still have to
be at our best behavior goingdown.
But when you're, when you'retalking about the glider,
anybody listening?
I hope you find thisinteresting because I like this
stuff.
But I'm imagining, like the oldI can't remember when it was
(10:31):
developed, but a long, long timeago the U-2 spy plane.
It's super, super long wingspanthat's riding both sides of the
runway and you would knowbetter than me but there's only
the two wheels, I think, thatare on parallel to each other.
So it you know.
Tippy, yeah, very tippy.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
But it's once you you have wind going over it and
over the rear stabilizer, therear, the rear fin, it's good,
right, then you're.
You turn the fin in the backwith the pedals, sure.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
So once you, once you get the rating, then you, you
just rent one of these and yougo up on a Saturday and exactly
have 22 minutes of fun.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, or longer.
Right, you can take crosscountry trips there's these.
There's these whole competitionswhere people are trying to go
for long distance glides.
Sometimes you got to land in afield, get somebody to to to tow
you back, or, or you know,drive you back somebody to tow
you back or drive you back.
But I mean, that's not optimal.
But yeah, it's surprising,right, because I fly the regular
(11:39):
plane as well and peopleusually are like, yeah, that'd
be fun to go for a ride, exceptfor you.
But I don't know that anybodywants to jump in the glider and
I'm like, well, the glider issafer.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Really how Okay.
This is.
What we want to understand ishow is it safer?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Because it can glide much, much better than the
airplane, right, I mean, yeah,you could pull the parachute in
the airplane, but if you do that, right, I mean, you're done,
you're coming down wherever itwants to come down.
You're likely going to survivethat, but it's not going to be
(12:20):
fun where the glider is designedto glide and you could land in
a field Not ideal, but you'restaying within the distance of
the runway.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And if you're gliding down, I'm sure you're coming in
pretty soft.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Sure, yeah, you just have to be committed.
So you have a spoiler, theseair brakes, right.
So when you're lined up andready to land, you deploy the
spoilers, which is essentially abar that comes up out of the
center of the wing and thatcauses you to lose lift pretty
quickly.
The only thing about the gliderthat you don't have in the
(12:58):
airplane is you've got one shotat the landing.
So once you're committed,spoilers are out and you're in a
descent.
If another plane pulls out onthe runway or you know there's
animals on the runway, you knowyou're pretty committed to that
landing, which is why you wantto get set up properly for it
first.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, I'm glad you like it so much.
Yeah, I don't think you'd catchme dead in a glider.
For some reason, the thought ofnot having an engine is scarier
than having an engine yeah.
Yeah, Cool yeah what else arewe?
Talking about I don't know Igot so sidetracked on this topic
(13:42):
about.
You know all the piloting youdo and going out to these
conferences.
You know being able to flyyourself out there.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Now could you glide to Wild west hackenfest in
october I mean, I guesstechnically you could, but the
winds have to be right.
You definitely need a tow planeto get you there.
There's gliders now that havean engine and a propeller in
them, so if you need to stretchyour distance you can, but it's
(14:14):
not something that you would.
I wouldn't want to do it yeah,not, not very convenient.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You just jump on the tesla and have it drive you
there so I was going to tell youabout the.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So we recently it audit Labs registered for a
trademark, right, yep, and goingthrough that process process is
easy enough, some online forms,but the aftermath of the scams
that I've got have been crazy.
So I've gotten, I think, threeletters from different companies
.
Like that the letter will beyou know I'll say trademark
(14:50):
publication.
You know I'll say trademark,trademark publication.
And then you know there's apublication fee of 1460, 1460.
Then here's another one for1450.
And it's just these companiesthat it's public information
when somebody registers for atrademark and then they're
(15:11):
trying to scam you.
I was playing pickleball lastweek after work and I got a call
from a number that was out ofBoston and I was expecting a
call from that area.
So I answered it on my watchand it turns out that it was a.
It was a scam call for thistrademark.
(15:33):
So I figured well, what theheck?
I'll see how far this goes.
The guy he was really trying toget me to give him a credit
card number to charge $575 forthis, something like I couldn't
use the registered trademarkuntil I paid the money.
I was like, well, I alreadypaid when I signed up for it and
(15:56):
he's like well, you know, hehad some excuse about why it
didn't work.
And I was like you know we're aninformation security company,
right, and you know we do this,right.
If you go to look at ourwebsite, you could see we're an
information security company.
Do you really think this scamis going to work on me?
Oh, information securitycompany, do you really think
this scam is going to work on me?
(16:16):
Oh, no, it's not a scam.
Like he kept going.
I mean, you know I'm playingright, like you know, like we're
shouting at each other on thepickleball, and he's like but it
was, uh, it was pretty good.
So I think I kept him on likefive minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
We should get uh, we should get hopefully we should
set it up sometime.
Get, hopefully, a scam callerto call in live on one of the
shows.
That would be good.
I had one recently too, similarto that.
I was getting these texts andwe've talked about this at the
office and teams about gettingthe text about your crypto
(16:51):
wallet.
It's Coinbase or something.
It's an MFA, something you know, it's an mfa code or whatever
it is and I had somebody call meabout it and they were
definitely casing the situation.
They were like oh, they werelooking for transactions between
cryptocom and coinbase and so Iwas doing the same thing as you
, like, I'm just walking throughwith them, giving them bs
(17:11):
answers, and he was asking mehow much money I had in each
accounts, and then we're justgoing down the rabbit hole.
Why is this relevant?
Well, obviously I knew he'sasking me this to see if I'm a
worthy person to investigate ortry to continue this.
You know he's casing thesituation, you know.
(17:34):
But normal people that maybearen't educated or in this space
would think, oh, wow, like thisguy's actually trying to help
me, but not thinking, well, if Ihave a hundred dollars in my
account, they're not going towaste their time.
But if I tell them, oh well, Ihave two bitcoins, right,
they're gonna work.
They're, they're in, they'regonna get worked, yeah, right,
you're gonna get worked.
It was like that movie.
I don't know if you've seen it.
It's called the beekeeper.
Yes, do you remember that withjason statham?
(17:56):
Yeah, uh, similar to that ladythat got uh like her whole life
savings or whatever was uhstolen from her.
But anyways, yeah, um, we weretexting this morning.
You had a recent vet visit withthe dog.
We had one too.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
My mom's 92, right Moved in with us.
We moved into this new houseand along came a dog and a cat
and yeah, that was a newexperience.
I think the dog got into thecat litter and got sick and I
(18:37):
was up every hour I think 14times from Saturday, from Friday
night to Saturday, going outbecause the backyard is just a
mud pit right now.
So I got to take the dog on aleash every time and that was
not fun.
So I was just picturing.
You know, nick, that's going tobe your life.
For years Mine was.
(18:59):
You don't want that life.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I don't blame you.
I don't blame you.
Yeah, once you the dogs.
It's such a commitment,especially if you got to take
them on a leash, and nobody'shappy taking out a dog at three
o'clock in the morning, afteryou've already, or two or one or
four go to the vet the next day, you know, emergency visit,
whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
And uh, they came away with four different
medications.
They wanted to do x-rays, andall this is like, well, hold on,
let's just, yeah, let's trythis, then we'll.
Then we'll, you know, bring thedog back, if need be, and, nick
, get the dog home.
First round of meds after that,no more diarrhea.
(19:42):
He's good, good, right?
So, uh, that's good.
I don't know if it was justtime or if the medication
actually did something welleither way, they fleeced you for
half a G.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Oh yeah, it's worth it.
We take care of the dogs.
We had one too.
My wife actually took one ofour dogs to the vet.
He was getting some scabs onthe end of his ears and we were
thinking it was allergies.
Come to find out and he'd beenshaking his head back and forth.
The vet said no, he's got anear infection and the blood
vessels and the end of his earsare dying because he's flapping
(20:17):
his ears so hard.
And I was like, yes, I wouldnever have thought that he's had
historically bad allergies.
So we thought it was just anallergy like whatever you know.
So I took him to the vet.
Because of that, it started todevelop.
And hundreds of dollars later,and some medication, allergy
shots etc, etc.
We figured out that uh, whowould?
(20:39):
I would never have thought that, that it was killing the blood
vessel.
So it was killing, you know,the hair was leaving and he was
developing scabs.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
All good now, but it never ends around here I was on
on my own too over the weekend,like just me, taking care of the
dog, my mom and four cats.
Yeah, no, kelly was out.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So you had a zoo going on.
I had an absolute zoo the catsare self-sufficient though.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Those cats are a pain in the ass.
Nick, you love the cats.
They don't get along with thedog.
The cats don't get along withthe dog.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
The cat's not gonna it's just yeah, this is.
This is probably good, becausepeople listen to the audit.
Now they're hopefully listeningto the field notes and they're
trying to.
Now they're understanding whothe real cat person is.
The truth is coming out infield notes who the real cat
person is.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I'm reminded of a story the last time we got
together that story I wastelling when I was a kid, of
when we were going across theUnited States and the trucker
got stuck in the bright lights,I don't know.
I was just talking over thesestories with my mom and she's
like remember the time that wewere in the grocery store and
after she said it we were in aSafeway in California, I think
(21:54):
it was.
We lived at the time in SanJose, staying with my mom's
sister.
At the time I was young, maybesix or so, and we were in the
supermarket and I remember awoman pulls down a jar of peanut
butter, opens it up, takes herfinger in and tastes the peanut
(22:20):
butter, right, and you're like,wow, did I just really see that?
Yeah, and that was before theystarted sealing all of the lids
because of the Tylenol scandalback in the day.
But I mean it's hard to believenow you know where everything is
sealed, that there would be atime where it wasn't right.
Because I mean people do allsorts of horrible stuff and like
(22:42):
why would that woman do that?
I don't know, I wanted to tasteit horrible stuff.
And like why would that womando that I don't know.
I wanted to taste it, I guess,but just the product, just whack
and blammer.
I mean it's the same thing withcyber right.
I mean all of the stuff thatwas going on in the in the late
nineties.
You know you just run aroundwith machines that didn't have
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any protection on them.
One of the first networks I wasexposed to over at Temple
University they ran a network,no firewalls, it was all
router-based.
They thought that was cool atthe time.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Is it still cool?
They learned the lesson.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
They were learned the lesson, but yeah, they were.
They were pretty proud of thefact.
I had a guy I worked with umleft and went over to temple and
then I went over to visit himone day and he was telling me
about how their network wasconfigured and you know, they
were using all these sure cellsor whatever, um, but that's how
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they were doing firewalls.
But I mean, that was kind ofback in the heyday where just
figuring things out yeah well, Ithink we can keep going on this
.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Is there anything else you got to get off your
chest?
Nothing I think.
Uh, yeah, we could certainlykeep talking for for hours, but
I think that this will wrap upthe second episode.
Um, probably have one middle ofOctober.
I'll be back from a baby leaveon the seventh.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Cybersecurity awareness month.
You're coming back, yep.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
We've got a lot in the hopper for that.
Jen's got the four part seriesweekly coming out.
So if you guys uh, you know youwant please join us, for that
Jen's got a lot of really goodinformation that she's going to
share, necessary for all walks,whether you're further along in
your career or not, we'd love tosee everybody join, share it to
your friends and please checkout the first episode of Field
(24:40):
Notes that's up now, and CyberSips and the Audit.
But thanks guys for joining thesecond episode of Field Notes
awesome, nick, yep, thanks all.
And CyberSips and the audit.
But thanks guys for joining thesecond episode of Field Notes
Awesome, nick, yep, thanks all.
We're live.
Excellent.
What's going on, Nick?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome everybody.
How's it going?
Good, good, good here.
How are you, eric?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Good, we got a couple of podcasts coming out.
We're trying this one at adifferent time, right Noon
central time.
I'm not sure if I like it.
I kind of like that earlymorning.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm secretly worried about the morning with another
kid on the way getting on at 730 every morning, or uh, I guess
it's just once a month, sowe'll play with the time, but uh
, um, we'll see how it goes.
I like the 7 30 start timebetter as well we'll see you,
though, in what three weeks?
Three weeks today's the lastday until not much sleep.
(00:44):
Well, I probably won't get muchsleep for another 18 years, but
at least for the next few weeksit should be pretty rugged you
got to be excited.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, we're very excited.
Mother-in-law flew in yesterdayto help watch our daughter now
while we're at the hospital, soshe'll stay here.
But nice to have another set ofhands, especially when we get
back, maybe get a little nap inand and mima can uh take care of
both the girl, both the girlsthat's fantastic yeah, very
(01:12):
excited, thank, you, yeah, andwe've got uh sip cyber.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I think that's going live today jen matze's podcast
where she's visiting differentcoffee shops and doing a
five-minute or so overview ofsome cyber things.
Yep, which will be fun.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Is that live today, nick?
Yeah, I think it should begoing live today.
We'll double-check everything,but it should be going out and
the field notes from last timewent out today, so we've got a
lot in the hopper going out.
We're looking forward tohearing the feedback on Jen's
SIP Cyber Just another way toget out in the community, spread
the word of cybersecurity.
(01:52):
Check out another coffee shopor local business that she
chooses and, you know, leaveeverybody with.
You know maybe some extraknowledge, or you know just some
good piece of information thatmaybe they didn't think about.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So the last time we were talking about coffee right
Cause we were drinking coffeegetting started.
Now it's noon.
We've all had our coffee.
Um you an afternoon coffee guyor no?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm a morning coffee and then after that we're
hitting the Diet Coke.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
We get off the coffee , we go to the DCs.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Diet Coke, not Coke Zero.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I prefer Diet Coke but I don't dislike Coke Zero.
I like them both.
But yeah, even when I was inthe military we had some Diet
Cokes and Rippets.
Anybody else in the militaryout there will know exactly what
I'm talking about.
When we had the Rippets, we hadthe half can size.
I think it was a six-ouncer oran eight-ouncer, it was one of
those two sizes.
It wasn't a full can, but theycame in by the pallets and we
(02:47):
had them in the back of thetrucks and I think they're
outlawed from the military now.
I don't know if they had justtoo much caffeine in one shot or
what the deal was, but, um,when we start talking about
caffeine, I always think aboutuh, drinking, drinking rippets
all day.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But coffee in the morning, diet coke in the
afternoon nice, I'm a coke zeroguy, diet coke's okay, but I
prefer opposite of you and um,so I've been tinkering with
different coffees and we weretalking last time about you know
what we were drinking, and um,so I was doing some research
(03:23):
from I got put onto this by oneof the flight instructors.
I'm working on my glider ratingand I go down to the hangar one
day and he's got this popcornpopper sitting outside the
hangar and this is like, say,maybe nine, nine o'clock in the
morning or so, and the popcornpopper is out there and it's
(03:46):
it's got coffee beans in it.
So he's ordering his coffeebeans from, I think, this place
called sweet martha's, somethinglike that, and, um, they send
him the, the green beans,because apparently coffee is
only good within seven days ofroasting, something like that I
mean.
if you're a true connoisseur.
(04:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
But yeah, he made a good cup.
Beans were right there, roastedand then ground burr, not blade
grinder.
And yeah, we had an espressobefore we went out for a flight,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I have a lot to learn about coffee because I don't
know about the different ways toget the beans ready or prepare
the beans.
I do have to say and don't killme in the comments anybody we
got Tim Horton's ground for thecoffee machine.
That's what I had last time wewere on.
Not good, it's not good coffee.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I don't call it ground coffee in general.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I mean that's like going and getting bulgers right
you, you gotta grind it yourselfI used to.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We did do that in the past not regularly, but it has
been done.
I'll have to try it again.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Have to try it again why did you get tim hortons?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
no, no reason, just saw it.
Had to try it, try somethingdifferent.
Um, we were on a subscription Ithink I talked about this last
time from uh uh, black riflecoffee.
Um, they do, like you know,they send you the the bags, uh,
you know, every month orwhatever.
So we're getting a silencer.
Smooth was our favorite and uh,we are.
(05:25):
We ran out so ran over acrossthe street.
Um, anybody that knows texas atall will know heb uh grocery
store.
It's the greatest grocery storechain in the country and uh,
shout out to heb, sponsor us ifyou like and get us some good
coffee.
But, yeah, not on board withTim Horton's ground, but you
(05:46):
make a good point.
Maybe it's just the same eitherway.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Would you go up in a glider?
No, would you rather go in theglider or one with an engine.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well, one with an engine.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But you won't go up in that either.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I'll go up in a Delta plane.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So with the glider or a military jet they tow you
behind another airplane, right,they tow you up to about 5 000
feet you can go a little lessand then they drop you off.
Essentially pull the tow, itdisconnects, and then you're
(06:27):
able to glide around and you'relooking for these thermals
underneath clouds.
So that's what the thermals arewarm air rising and then they
cool and condense as they ascend, as they ascend, and that's why
(06:48):
you have those kind of cottonyclouds in the summertime that
are maybe about 3,000 feet or so.
So as the day heats up, thesun's heating the ground, get
these thermals, form theseclouds, and that's what you'll
see birds of prey circling inthe thermals right.
So I've been in a couple ofthose thermals before.
Where you've got there's somesort of eagle or something in
(07:11):
there with you which is reallycool, and you're just kind of
trying to find the thermalcircle up and then glide to the
next one.
But that's one form of gliding.
And in the mountains there'syou have the mountain waves from
the wind coming over themountains and then you can go up
(07:32):
to tens of thousands of feethow long are you gliding for?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
is there like a limit , like well?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
you can go down but but how?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
what?
I guess that the goal would beto stay up as long as possible.
I would assume, yeah.
So what is that like?
What kind of time frame are welooking at?
Is it like two minutes, or isit like a half hour, or uh, 15.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I think my shortest was 12, longest was 25 that's a
lot, yeah, a lot longer than Iwould expect it from a 5 000
foot drop, because the glidershave a great glide ratio like 48
to 1, which means for every 48feet forward they'll lose one
foot.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So you have two people in the glider, two people
in the glider Instructor behindSuper long wingspan?
I would assume yes.
So now, when you're gettingtowed on the runway, what's that
experience like?
Are we getting jerked aroundand all of a sudden we're
getting towed on the runway?
What's that experience like?
Are we getting like jerkedaround and all of a sudden we're
like getting towed off theground, or what Is it a pretty
smooth takeoff.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, it's pretty smooth, right?
You just you're kind ofleveling the wings that the tow
plane pulls forward, and thenyou're really just keeping the
wings neutral so they're notdragging on the ground back and
forth, and then you'll come upbefore the tow plane usually
because you glide obviouslybetter than the airplane.
(08:50):
So you'll be just maybe fivefeet off of the runway behind
the tow plane, and then, as thetow plane comes up, you just
have to keep the glider, keepthe wings of the tow plane just
above the horizon.
So you're just following up,trying not to jerk too much on
the tow plane or too much sideto side, because that makes it a
(09:11):
little difficult for the tow.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Plane pilot seems sketchy, no matter what I mean,
so there's got to be anemergency detail both.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
yes, you have the.
The tow rope is attached to theglider and you can always pull
the release on that and the towplane can do the same.
But the window of safety isreally 200 feet.
So if you have an engine out,say in the tow plane, then the
emergency procedure is to landstraight ahead.
(09:40):
At the airport that I fly outof, there's a small field off to
the right on one of the ends ofthe runway, so you know that if
you need to ditch out you canjust go to that field and then
if you're above 200 feet I thinkit's 500 feet you can actually
(10:02):
just circle around and land backon the the runway you got to be
on your best behavior.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
If you're going down, if you're dishing out, you're
going to be in your bed.
Well, that's what you weretelling me.
If we go up in your plane,something happens.
There's a lot of safetymechanisms but we still have to
be at our best behavior goingdown.
But when you're, when you'retalking about the glider,
anybody listening?
I hope you find thisinteresting because I like this
stuff.
But I'm imagining, like the oldI can't remember when it was
(10:31):
developed, but a long, long timeago the U-2 spy plane.
It's super, super long wingspanthat's riding both sides of the
runway and you would knowbetter than me but there's only
the two wheels, I think, thatare on parallel to each other.
So it you know.
Tippy, yeah, very tippy.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
But it's once you you have wind going over it and
over the rear stabilizer, therear, the rear fin, it's good,
right, then you're.
You turn the fin in the backwith the pedals, sure.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
So once you, once you get the rating, then you, you
just rent one of these and yougo up on a Saturday and exactly
have 22 minutes of fun.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, or longer.
Right, you can take crosscountry trips there's these.
There's these whole competitionswhere people are trying to go
for long distance glides.
Sometimes you got to land in afield, get somebody to to to tow
you back, or, or you know,drive you back somebody to tow
you back or drive you back.
But I mean, that's not optimal.
But yeah, it's surprising,right, because I fly the regular
(11:39):
plane as well and peopleusually are like, yeah, that'd
be fun to go for a ride, exceptfor you.
But I don't know that anybodywants to jump in the glider and
I'm like, well, the glider issafer.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Really how Okay.
This is.
What we want to understand ishow is it safer?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Because it can glide much, much better than the
airplane, right, I mean, yeah,you could pull the parachute in
the airplane, but if you do that, right, I mean, you're done,
you're coming down wherever itwants to come down.
You're likely going to survivethat, but it's not going to be
(12:20):
fun where the glider is designedto glide and you could land in
a field Not ideal, but you'restaying within the distance of
the runway.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And if you're gliding down, I'm sure you're coming in
pretty soft.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Sure, yeah, you just have to be committed.
So you have a spoiler, theseair brakes, right.
So when you're lined up andready to land, you deploy the
spoilers, which is essentially abar that comes up out of the
center of the wing and thatcauses you to lose lift pretty
quickly.
The only thing about the gliderthat you don't have in the
(12:58):
airplane is you've got one shotat the landing.
So once you're committed,spoilers are out and you're in a
descent.
If another plane pulls out onthe runway or you know there's
animals on the runway, you knowyou're pretty committed to that
landing, which is why you wantto get set up properly for it
first.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, I'm glad you like it so much.
Yeah, I don't think you'd catchme dead in a glider.
For some reason, the thought ofnot having an engine is scarier
than having an engine yeah.
Yeah, Cool yeah what else arewe?
Talking about I don't know Igot so sidetracked on this topic
(13:42):
about.
You know all the piloting youdo and going out to these
conferences.
You know being able to flyyourself out there.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Now could you glide to Wild west hackenfest in
october I mean, I guesstechnically you could, but the
winds have to be right.
You definitely need a tow planeto get you there.
There's gliders now that havean engine and a propeller in
them, so if you need to stretchyour distance you can, but it's
(14:14):
not something that you would.
I wouldn't want to do it yeah,not, not very convenient.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You just jump on the tesla and have it drive you
there so I was going to tell youabout the.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So we recently it audit Labs registered for a
trademark, right, yep, and goingthrough that process process is
easy enough, some online forms,but the aftermath of the scams
that I've got have been crazy.
So I've gotten, I think, threeletters from different companies
.
Like that the letter will beyou know I'll say trademark
(14:50):
publication.
You know I'll say trademark,trademark publication.
And then you know there's apublication fee of 1460, 1460.
Then here's another one for1450.
And it's just these companiesthat it's public information
when somebody registers for atrademark and then they're
(15:11):
trying to scam you.
I was playing pickleball lastweek after work and I got a call
from a number that was out ofBoston and I was expecting a
call from that area.
So I answered it on my watchand it turns out that it was a.
It was a scam call for thistrademark.
(15:33):
So I figured well, what theheck?
I'll see how far this goes.
The guy he was really trying toget me to give him a credit
card number to charge $575 forthis, something like I couldn't
use the registered trademarkuntil I paid the money.
I was like, well, I alreadypaid when I signed up for it and
(15:56):
he's like well, you know, hehad some excuse about why it
didn't work.
And I was like you know we're aninformation security company,
right, and you know we do this,right.
If you go to look at ourwebsite, you could see we're an
information security company.
Do you really think this scamis going to work on me?
Oh, information securitycompany, do you really think
this scam is going to work on me?
(16:16):
Oh, no, it's not a scam.
Like he kept going.
I mean, you know I'm playingright, like you know, like we're
shouting at each other on thepickleball, and he's like but it
was, uh, it was pretty good.
So I think I kept him on likefive minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
We should get uh, we should get hopefully we should
set it up sometime.
Get, hopefully, a scam callerto call in live on one of the
shows.
That would be good.
I had one recently too, similarto that.
I was getting these texts andwe've talked about this at the
office and teams about gettingthe text about your crypto
(16:51):
wallet.
It's Coinbase or something.
It's an MFA, something you know, it's an mfa code or whatever
it is and I had somebody call meabout it and they were
definitely casing the situation.
They were like oh, they werelooking for transactions between
cryptocom and coinbase and so Iwas doing the same thing as you
, like, I'm just walking throughwith them, giving them bs
(17:11):
answers, and he was asking mehow much money I had in each
accounts, and then we're justgoing down the rabbit hole.
Why is this relevant?
Well, obviously I knew he'sasking me this to see if I'm a
worthy person to investigate ortry to continue this.
You know he's casing thesituation, you know.
(17:34):
But normal people that maybearen't educated or in this space
would think, oh, wow, like thisguy's actually trying to help
me, but not thinking, well, if Ihave a hundred dollars in my
account, they're not going towaste their time.
But if I tell them, oh well, Ihave two bitcoins, right,
they're gonna work.
They're, they're in, they'regonna get worked, yeah, right,
you're gonna get worked.
It was like that movie.
I don't know if you've seen it.
It's called the beekeeper.
Yes, do you remember that withjason statham?
(17:56):
Yeah, uh, similar to that ladythat got uh like her whole life
savings or whatever was uhstolen from her.
But anyways, yeah, um, we weretexting this morning.
You had a recent vet visit withthe dog.
We had one too.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
My mom's 92, right Moved in with us.
We moved into this new houseand along came a dog and a cat
and yeah, that was a newexperience.
I think the dog got into thecat litter and got sick and I
(18:37):
was up every hour I think 14times from Saturday, from Friday
night to Saturday, going outbecause the backyard is just a
mud pit right now.
So I got to take the dog on aleash every time and that was
not fun.
So I was just picturing.
You know, nick, that's going tobe your life.
For years Mine was.
(18:59):
You don't want that life.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I don't blame you.
I don't blame you.
Yeah, once you the dogs.
It's such a commitment,especially if you got to take
them on a leash, and nobody'shappy taking out a dog at three
o'clock in the morning, afteryou've already, or two or one or
four go to the vet the next day, you know, emergency visit,
whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
And uh, they came away with four different
medications.
They wanted to do x-rays, andall this is like, well, hold on,
let's just, yeah, let's trythis, then we'll.
Then we'll, you know, bring thedog back, if need be, and, nick
, get the dog home.
First round of meds after that,no more diarrhea.
(19:42):
He's good, good, right?
So, uh, that's good.
I don't know if it was justtime or if the medication
actually did something welleither way, they fleeced you for
half a G.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Oh yeah, it's worth it.
We take care of the dogs.
We had one too.
My wife actually took one ofour dogs to the vet.
He was getting some scabs onthe end of his ears and we were
thinking it was allergies.
Come to find out and he'd beenshaking his head back and forth.
The vet said no, he's got anear infection and the blood
vessels and the end of his earsare dying because he's flapping
(20:17):
his ears so hard.
And I was like, yes, I wouldnever have thought that he's had
historically bad allergies.
So we thought it was just anallergy like whatever you know.
So I took him to the vet.
Because of that, it started todevelop.
And hundreds of dollars later,and some medication, allergy
shots etc, etc.
We figured out that uh, whowould?
(20:39):
I would never have thought that, that it was killing the blood
vessel.
So it was killing, you know,the hair was leaving and he was
developing scabs.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
All good now, but it never ends around here I was on
on my own too over the weekend,like just me, taking care of the
dog, my mom and four cats.
Yeah, no, kelly was out.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So you had a zoo going on.
I had an absolute zoo the catsare self-sufficient though.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Those cats are a pain in the ass.
Nick, you love the cats.
They don't get along with thedog.
The cats don't get along withthe dog.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
The cat's not gonna it's just yeah, this is.
This is probably good, becausepeople listen to the audit.
Now they're hopefully listeningto the field notes and they're
trying to.
Now they're understanding whothe real cat person is.
The truth is coming out infield notes who the real cat
person is.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I'm reminded of a story the last time we got
together that story I wastelling when I was a kid, of
when we were going across theUnited States and the trucker
got stuck in the bright lights,I don't know.
I was just talking over thesestories with my mom and she's
like remember the time that wewere in the grocery store and
after she said it we were in aSafeway in California, I think
(21:54):
it was.
We lived at the time in SanJose, staying with my mom's
sister.
At the time I was young, maybesix or so, and we were in the
supermarket and I remember awoman pulls down a jar of peanut
butter, opens it up, takes herfinger in and tastes the peanut
(22:20):
butter, right, and you're like,wow, did I just really see that?
Yeah, and that was before theystarted sealing all of the lids
because of the Tylenol scandalback in the day.
But I mean it's hard to believenow you know where everything is
sealed, that there would be atime where it wasn't right.
Because I mean people do allsorts of horrible stuff and like
(22:42):
why would that woman do that?
I don't know, I wanted to tasteit horrible stuff.
And like why would that womando that I don't know.
I wanted to taste it, I guess,but just the product, just whack
and blammer.
I mean it's the same thing withcyber right.
I mean all of the stuff thatwas going on in the in the late
nineties.
You know you just run aroundwith machines that didn't have
(23:03):
any protection on them.
One of the first networks I wasexposed to over at Temple
University they ran a network,no firewalls, it was all
router-based.
They thought that was cool atthe time.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Is it still cool?
They learned the lesson.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
They were learned the lesson, but yeah, they were.
They were pretty proud of thefact.
I had a guy I worked with umleft and went over to temple and
then I went over to visit himone day and he was telling me
about how their network wasconfigured and you know, they
were using all these sure cellsor whatever, um, but that's how
(23:45):
they were doing firewalls.
But I mean, that was kind ofback in the heyday where just
figuring things out yeah well, Ithink we can keep going on this
.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Is there anything else you got to get off your
chest?
Nothing I think.
Uh, yeah, we could certainlykeep talking for for hours, but
I think that this will wrap upthe second episode.
Um, probably have one middle ofOctober.
I'll be back from a baby leaveon the seventh.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Cybersecurity awareness month.
You're coming back, yep.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
We've got a lot in the hopper for that.
Jen's got the four part seriesweekly coming out.
So if you guys uh, you know youwant please join us, for that
Jen's got a lot of really goodinformation that she's going to
share, necessary for all walks,whether you're further along in
your career or not, we'd love tosee everybody join, share it to
your friends and please checkout the first episode of Field
(24:40):
Notes that's up now, and CyberSips and the Audit.
But thanks guys for joining thesecond episode of Field Notes
awesome, nick, yep, thanks all.
And CyberSips and the audit.
But thanks guys for joining thesecond episode of Field Notes
Awesome, nick, yep, thanks all.
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