May 21, 2025 • 43 mins
Shawn Tierney meets up with Kelly Passineau of Rockwell Automation to learn about their new EtherNet/IP In-cabinet solution for networking motor starters, push buttons, and more in this episode of The Automation Podcast.
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(00:00):
Welcome back to the automation podcast. My name
is Sean Tierney from Insights in Automation.
And in this episode of the show, I
meet up with Kelly Parsono from Rockwell Automation
to learn all about a brand new product
they're launching this week. It's an Ethan IP
in cabinet solution. It's phenomenal. The amount of
wiring it's gonna reduce if you use it
is amazing. I think you guys are gonna
(00:22):
really enjoy this. Now if you do, or
if you have any questions or any thoughts
about this, please leave them in the comments.
Whether you're watching on YouTube or listening on
iTunes, Spotify, or somewhere else, or at theautomationblog.com.
I love to know what you guys think
about this. I'm pretty excited about it. And
for you members out there, I'm actually gonna
include some bonus video and some additional thoughts
(00:42):
of my own
in an after show just for members. So
with that said, let's get to this week's
episode with Kelly Posano from Rockwell Automation. Kelly,
thank you for coming on the automation podcast.
I am excited to learn all about this
Ethernet IP
in cabinet solution. But before we jump into
your presentation,
could you first, tell the audience who you
(01:04):
are? Hey, Sean. Well, I am Kelly Passano.
I am here at Rockwell.
I am,
our product manager,
global product manager for this new product, EthernetIP
and Cabinet. Been with Rockwell for a number
of years and a lot of different roles
and most recently,
gonna lead this product to market. So,
we're, we're super excited
(01:26):
because we just went to
AFC, and we are available,
for sale this week. So, super excited. So
I thought we would, jump through a few
slides,
and, we'll see what kind of questions, we
can help answer.
So, Sean, I kinda we kinda opened up
and we talked about this being this thing
called Ethernet IP in cabinet.
(01:48):
And so so in a sense, Rob, we're
not, you know think about it. We're not
really introducing a brand new
network to the market. Right? We here at
Rockwell, we we currently have
Ethernet IP,
that's that's our our mainstream
communication platform.
This is really
an extension
(02:09):
to that network.
What's really cool is, you know, and this
kind of goes back if you look at
it, this starts kind of back at, you
know, way back in I think about 2019
with with IEEE.
And so we're going to be leveraging
an I triple e eight zero two
single pair ethernet
design. All right so this is this is
(02:32):
kind of a brand new technology for us.
It's I triple e standard
for the
the P1S
protocol
for single pair Ethernet 10 megabaud.
And
what you're seeing kind of a or what
you're viewing here is really it's our adoption
with ODVA.
So when
(02:53):
when IEEE
launched out this specification,
we began working with the ODBA organization
to try to figure out how do we
implement this for industrial control cabinet designs. How
do we expand the number of nodes,
the connections
and bringing that into
the ethernet IP protocol?
(03:13):
And hence that's kind of exactly where we're
at today
with launching the in cabinet
solution. So just to give you a little
bit of background kind of where the organizations
and when that started. So
if we kind of look at what we're
doing with this
is an opportunity to kind of change the
(03:33):
game. Today, our customers,
connect our industrial components
and we've been selling industrial components for a
very long time and we continue to sell
components.
And these components would mount,
in a panel, control panel
and they get hardwired.
That's how we traditionally
(03:54):
connect our products. They're all hardwired
designs. And typically they get interfaced into
PLC
IO cards, right? Inputs, outputs,
right? All those control,
you know, when you build a control panel,
you you take a series of logical inputs,
you create a program and there's logical outputs,
right? There's no nothing
(04:15):
too mysterious about that. We've been doing it
for an awful long time. And,
but what we know
with doing wiring, we know that
it that it can take a long time.
It's,
it's time consuming.
On average, it takes about six minutes a
wire
to terminate.
When when you think about it, six minutes
a wire, there's there's two sides of a
(04:36):
cable, six minutes.
And, by the time you cut strip mark
and terminate a wire,
that adds up. And when you start looking
at a control panel where you have several
hundreds of wires,
that begins to lead to things,
one, time,
two,
maintaining and troubleshooting
and testing.
(04:57):
So what we're trying to do
as we launch out this new technology
is an opportunity to
start to focus on those things. How do
we help our customers
reduce
those number of pain points, right? How do
we make it easier to install?
You know, I just wanna jump in. I
know a lot of us spend so much
(05:18):
of our time programming,
designing,
and we're not out there wiring the panels,
but you know, I was reminded of this
last summer when I had to build, six
test stands
and hundreds and hundreds of wires. And I
pulled a couple all nighters to have this
thing done on time. And so it just
blew my mind, like you're saying, six minutes
(05:38):
per wire. It just blew my mind that,
you know, everything goes in opposing, terminal blocks.
Right? And so Yes. It just it just
it blew my mind. It it it is
truly if you have not wired audience, if
you haven't wired a panel in a while
or had to, you know, troubleshoot or test
to make sure all the wires go to
the right place, I am I consider myself
at my in my old age, a very
good wiring panel wiring person, but I made
(06:00):
mistakes. You know? You got hundreds of wires.
The chances are you will make a mistake
unless you're doing this every day. So I
really hear what you're saying there, and I'm
excited because this is an implement when when
you first said
single pair e sent it to me, this
was not what I was thinking. So I'm
excited to hear more about how
your implementation
of this
(06:21):
is gonna drastically reduce the wiring time in
these panels. And for those who are not
watching, if you're listening, I know a lot
of you listen only,
we had a panel here where a gentleman's
wiring it up and there's hundreds of wires
there, and it's just Yeah. Lots of times
doing it the classic way that most people
do it today. So, Kelly, let me turn
it back to you. I just wanted to
throw that out there. Yeah. Well, Sean, you
you bring up a great point. It it
(06:43):
it's a I think it's something that we
don't really think about. I think we've been
wiring products for so long, and it's just
something we do.
But when you really begin
to look
at, oh, the landed, you know,
how many minutes it takes and how many
physical point to point wires there are in
a control system, it certainly can be a
(07:03):
little unyielding and
it adds up. And then the problem is,
is the customers, you know, they need changes,
right? It's like, oh shoot, we
should have added just one more motor starter,
or we should have added this light instead
of that, or this controller instead of that.
And
when you get into those situations where we're
hardwired, those
(07:25):
get complicated, right? That complicates things, right? Now
you gotta figure out, you gotta design it
differently. You gotta change it. Might have to
change the layout, right? Now you're certainly wiring
more devices. And so, you know, it, there
is a bit of inflexibility
when it comes to things that are hardwired
and already installed,
and then you wanna make some changes. And
(07:45):
so those are, those are, that's kind of
another area that I think we're going to,
be able to focus on as well and
help our customers through.
And and then really you're you're limited. You
know, one of the the last points,
is is really about monitoring, right? It really,
you know, you when you wire things through
IO, you're monitoring the IO point. Right? I
(08:08):
turn things on. I turn things off. Right?
You're looking for a feedback.
You're seeing if the input is true or
not true.
With our new solution,
you're gonna be right down to the device
level, right? This is gonna allow us to
put
ethernet
directly
to the device,
where in a sense previously
(08:29):
we're to an IO point. So,
with all of those things, I think we're
looking forward to kind of helping our customers
solve some of those problems.
It may be problems they don't even think
about today, but they're trying to make them
more efficient,
help them build panels faster
and, with less problems. So
(08:49):
this is a little bit on what the
solution entails, right? So this is not just
a single product. It's really a new infrastructure
for the end cabinet,
and it introduces
a couple of new parts.
And,
the the first and foremost, and we'll talk
about this a little bit, but it includes
this thing called a gateway.
(09:11):
As I I share it with you that
we're we're actually gonna be taking Ethernet
directly
to components.
And,
and we can't certainly take full gigabyte,
hundred megawatt Ethernet directly to components that cost,
you know, small dollars because
certainly they'd be outrageously priced and who would
(09:32):
buy them, right? So that's kind of where
the where the single pair ethernet comes into
play. And,
so our solution
will include a
a single cable design and that's kind of
important. So we're going to have a gateway
and we're going to introduce
a new flat media,
(09:52):
that's going to allow us to connect these
devices together.
And,
and we're gonna be able to connect a
total of 40 connections.
So that's gonna be a gateway plus
39 different devices that can attach to each
of those gateways
to my network.
And, and there's some limits,
(10:13):
25 meters of cable,
flat media cable
per gateway.
Alright. So that's roughly about what, 75, 80
cable feet,
should handle most, you know, small medium sized
panels out there.
And and the cool thing is is we're
introducing,
a new connector, right? So with that comes
(10:35):
these new insulation displacement
connectors
that are gonna allow you to connect those
field devices
without using
specialized
hardware. Right? We're we're looking at things like,
standard
pliers, standard channel lock
to make that connection.
All right. And,
(10:56):
and the last thing that I really wanted
to know is that we're really doing that
for standard products.
This is a means that or or this
is an opportunity where we can actually connect
this communication platform now
to standard products
off the shelf.
Right? So these are not
custom
(11:17):
configured
purchased separately products. These are gonna be standard
off the shelf contactors
off the shelf 800 f operators. So I
can talk a little bit more about
what those products are and how we're gonna
connect to them here in just a moment.
So,
so
I think I hit a little bit,
(11:38):
for the users today that that again, this
is gonna allow us to
be
really truly
end to end Ethernet.
Right? This is gonna allow us to go
directly from Ethernet
straight through
this new gateway.
And, yes, we're we're on a different media,
but at the end of the day, it's
(11:59):
Ethernet IP
and it's going to allow us to do
that. Now this is
and the great news here that this is
not a closed
proprietary network.
This is an open design
that's approved by ODBA. This is ODBA's
ethernet IP incabinet. We're gonna be the first
manufacturer
(12:20):
to implement it, which is really cool.
And so
with that, we've created this infrastructure that obviously
will be
looking for
others to join and to connect to
and, and to communicate through. So that is
really exciting.
The cool news is we're also
using standard tool sets.
(12:42):
Since this is ethernet shown,
we use all of our standard tools that
we have today, like Logix Designer and Studio
5,000.
So it really helped cut down on the
learning curve, right? Those control engineers, you don't
have to learn a new thing just because
we're launching out a new network, right? This
is just ethernet.
If you've configured a drive, an HMI,
(13:03):
you can configure a gateway
on single pair.
And so those are some really cool things
that I'm really looking for.
One of the things that
and I know maybe some of the users
are just listening but one of the things
we noted here is
80% reduction in wiring time. So Sean, you've
got to hit it. You you built systems
(13:24):
before. I built a lot of systems, you
know, six minutes of wire, you know, you
start looking at those medium sized systems.
It truly is a significant amount of time
that a customer can save, something that they
really need to look at.
Yeah. I can think of a think of
a panel full of contactors as starters. If
you can just daisy chain with that ribbon
(13:46):
cable, but, you know, across all of them,
then it's just a ton of or if
you have a bunch of operators on your
panel,
you can just daisy chain all daisy chain
all of them down. I mean, that is
a huge saving.
Eliminate the discrete
wire interface to the contact,
to the connection point,
replacing it with a single
(14:06):
flat media connection.
And again, you're right.
It's what we're using is multi drop topology.
So it,
what I'm introducing here is the gateway,
that's really at the heart of this, right?
And you know ethernet, Joel, right? You got
the 100 megabaud,
the
teal cable.
(14:28):
The gateway here will allow us to go
from
ethernet IP,
hundred megabyte or a gig,
to what we call
single pair, 10 megabaud.
Now that single pair is gonna be picked
up inside of a single cable.
And so the difference here is we're not
just running two wires out communicating.
(14:51):
We're running a seven conductor
flat media. And I think my next slide
will probably show that a little bit more.
But this is a new media.
And within this media,
we'll be running again the 10 megabaud single
pair plus we run two sets of power.
(15:11):
And
and why two sets? One set for
communications.
So we run a a network power to
all the devices.
Right? That establishes
my communications network.
Mhmm. And then my other power, we call
it switch power,
and that we're gonna be using to energize
coils.
So,
(15:32):
our our and I'll kinda talk a little
bit about with you what our initial offering
is,
but we're gonna be focusing on, obviously, motor
control.
Let it out of the bag, but we're
gonna be focusing on motor control. So coils.
Right? We're gonna turn coils on. So the
switch power is gonna be used for turning
on contactor coils.
We're also running in that same media.
(15:54):
We run a,
a select line.
And the select line is actually used for
topology finding, right? So every time we put
a connector,
every time we install a connection onto that
flat media,
we create a topology.
We identify that there's a module at that
spot
or at that position.
(16:16):
So as you said, you go from one
device to another device to another device and
so on, you know, up to 39 devices.
And,
and the select line allows us to be
that nodal positioner.
And then from there, we can create the
topology.
And I don't wanna steal your thunder. Yep.
But in the pre show, we talked about
something I thought was pretty important. For anybody
(16:39):
who's familiar with legacy networks that have power
lines,
we were talking about the network power. And
a lot of times we think, well, yeah,
there's a Ethernet chip in the device that
needs power. Right? So it needs to get
power from somewhere. But you were also telling
me you can actually, like, turn on the
indicator on a pilot using that network power.
Is that correct? Yeah. That is correct. You're
(16:59):
right. One of the
we're gonna be
one of the devices
that that we are going to connect to
is a 800 f, you know, for our
22 millimeter
panel operators.
We'll have a communication module that will have
a
color changing
LED. It has an RGB.
(17:21):
So for first time, we're gonna be offering
a RGB
LED light source,
runs strictly off of that network power, Sean,
which is kinda cool. Nice.
Yeah. So eight color choices.
So our emphasis
to start with is is really
gonna be motor starting. Right? So when you
look at inside of a panel,
(17:43):
you've seen inside panels,
the majority
of control wiring comes from motor starters, right?
That you got your coils, you got your
auxes, you got your trip statuses,
you know, if it's your circuit breakers,
you know, you got all your operators on
the door.
You probably seen
seen panels with this, you know, I call
(18:04):
it the spinal cord, right? You got a
lot of a lot of wires and cables
traveling
between those locations.
Not to say that there's other cables anywhere
else, but that that for us
was probably a significant reason why we why
we kind of started with the motor control
as our first connection point. So, we'll be
(18:25):
attaching
communication accessory
to our 100 E
and 104
E contactors.
Those are our global AC contactors
from nine amps to 96 amps.
So if your customer is using standard across
the line motor control
using 100 Es,
we'll have a front mount
(18:47):
accessory
that'll snap on,
no tools needed,
and it'll allow us then to connect that
flat media connection
as one of those drops, right, as you
said. And I think
I'll throw a slide up here for your
users,
but that's kind of that front mount accessory,
(19:08):
Right? It's a it's a simple over the
top, click down latch, done. And you'll have
one for a standard non reversing, and then
you'll have one for a reverser.
Right? Because you have two contactors. So we
sit on the forward and the reversing.
The cool thing, Sean, is that we pick
up in this, we pick up our auxiliary.
So we don't need, you don't need a
(19:29):
contactor now, right? What's a motor starter? You
gotta have always an auxiliary contact, right? If
I tell it to turn on, I need
to actually run the auxiliary back to the
PLC to say I'm actually on, right? So
in this,
we actually pick that auxiliary up through the
communications.
So just by having that module on the
front of the device where we have a
(19:51):
the plunger inside, we we can actually use
that as our auxiliary.
So that's pretty cool. But we also have
those accessories then that will
snap onto,
our existing 800 f
and our latches. So today, we we've been
selling 800 f. It's the 22 millimeter. Right?
22.5
millimeter,
(20:13):
panel operators,
illuminated, non illuminated.
They have a latch.
This communication
module or this accessory will latch
or connect on the back of that standard
latch, which is pretty cool.
So a quick snap on. The other interesting
thing is that we actually
we actually can connect,
(20:35):
two standard contacts,
adjacent to the comm module. So when we
snap that comm module on the back, we
can actually connect
two additional,
standard contacts.
So I don't know. You know, customer might
have an auxiliary
circuit that he wants to pick up
because maybe I have a hard switch and
(20:56):
I wanna just turn one other thing on
or acknowledge something else. And so we could
snap two contacts on, which is pretty cool.
And and then again, it's illuminated and not
illuminated. So pretty basic. So again, so that
kind of completes the first attachment.
You, again,
standard 100E,
104
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contactors
off the shelf,
not custom,
standard 800F
illuminated, non illuminated
and
standard latches,
which is going to make life a little
bit easier. And I love
the idea that we're picking up an RGB.
So it's that color changing eight colors.
(21:39):
And we can now we can have, you
know, the advantage of this
into the users listening is that you can
begin to have
clear lenses, right? A clear lens
and you can tell it that it's green
or red or blue
or amber
or magenta
or you know so you can you can
change the color to it. And and the
(22:02):
cool thing is is you can change it
to multiple colors.
So now you can have
some skew reduction. So you know because you
know when you're designing a panel Sean that
there's always like that one red button that
you forgot to order right that dang red
light that I needed to finish my panel
up. And so now you now you can
get some efficiencies where they can buy clear
(22:24):
lens, use the RGB color,
and ultimately they can try some efficiencies and
potentially even reduce the number of operators and
indicators they need. So Well, I know a
lot of us too. We, you know, when
you had a limited budget you were like,
well, I'll use green for running, and I'll
blink green if it's a jam, and I'll
blink it really fast if it's something else.
(22:45):
And so now you can go with colors.
You could go That's cool. Yeah. And you're
right. I I should have green. Yep. I
should have mentioned that, Sean. We can be
steady on. We can be illuminated.
Mhmm. We can be dim.
Oh, guess what? You could change the percentages
of those as well. So,
so if you wanna dim a certain percentage
or at night, so that there's gonna be
(23:06):
a lot of opportunity.
Showing a showing a video here and I
know maybe some of the users listening can't
see that, but maybe they'll queue in
later on. But here is a panel
that kind of illustrates
the flat media design. So when you when
you look at this panel
down in the lower left
(23:28):
left corner of that panel, you'll notice where
the gateway is located.
Leaving that gateway, you'll notice that flat media.
And then just like we had talked about,
there's six motor starters in this panel,
connected,
adjacent to one another. We had a couple
reversers,
the rest is non reversing. Reversing.
(23:50):
And you'll notice that we go from module
to module to module to module. Right? You're
you're running a little bit of a service
loop between.
Mhmm. Remember, this is a multi drop topology.
So guess what?
I can actually take a module out for
service without interrupting the rest of my network.
Right? So if
(24:10):
for some reason you have to replace or
change,
simply lifting one out won't interrupt my
network communications to the other devices.
So that's pretty cool.
I think then you'll kind of notice as
the video moves, you'll see some
door operators as well. So no big spinal
cord,
as I call it, spinal cord of wires.
(24:33):
You really truly have just a single flat
media cable that can continue that multi drop
connecting to those panel operators mounted on the
enclosure.
Yeah. For most people listening, there's a bunch
of operators in this one. I I don't
know. What do you do you have, like,
18
different operators in there or more? But this
is much I think I used 15 operators.
No. I I used 15 operators.
(24:56):
It's a lot cleaner than I mean, I
can just the time wiring with standard operators
and making sure all the bend radiuses are
the same and it looks nice
compared to this daisy chain just taking the
ribbon cable, clip, clip, clip, clip, clip, and
it just looks nice
automatically.
It looks like you have go ahead.
Any guess on how long it would take
(25:17):
to connect?
I think there's twenty two
twenty two nodes in here, I think, fifteen,
sixteen, about 22 nodes. You know how long
it took to connect the flat media to
22 nodes?
Tell me.
Less than fifty minutes.
I believe it. I believe it. Less than
fifty minutes, I was able to connect the
flat media. Actually, it wasn't me. We had
(25:37):
some integrators do this in our time studies,
but, Now I know you did the thing
we all hardwired. How long did it take
to hardwire it? It? Hardwired.
Anywhere from,
I would say on average around twenty hours.
Wow. Huge savings.
Yeah. Hardwired twenty hours. And we were able
(25:57):
to actually help reduce the panel size as
well. It's kind of an offset, right? So
if you can start to look at ways
to
streamline your panels and what you're putting in,
well, you can look at either you can,
you know, add other things,
combine things, or maybe ultimately shrink the panel.
Right? So there's there's just a lot of
(26:18):
opportunity,
depending on what the control system looks like
or what their design looks like. But Now
I'm noticing some accessories
in the panel. It's not just the ribbon
cable and the connectors for each of the
devices.
Can you talk about some of the other
accessories? I think you have like a a
joiner, a cap, and some other things.
(26:38):
Oh, so, actually, you're right. So the,
so in the,
from the flat media
Mhmm. You'll have the opportunity. You'll have a
whole family of connectors.
So we have a a portfolio of connectors.
So when you think of the flat media,
you'll have a connector that
connects at the gateway.
(26:58):
You'll have a connector that connects at all
of your end node modules.
We also will have
a
connector device that allows us in the event
that, say, your flat media becomes damaged.
Say they're in there doing something and they
accidentally damage the flat media, we'll have a
splicer,
a splice connector that'll allow you to join
(27:21):
two flat medias together.
So that'll be one one member of the
family.
There is a terminator, right? So, this is
an electrical network. So at the end of
that flat media, you're required to use a
a terminator connector.
It looks very similar to the others. It's
capped on one end. It applies the same,
(27:41):
same same way you install any other connectors.
And then the last of the family will
be a cap. The cap would used for
two things. One is if you if you
no longer
want a node in service,
you would remove the connector
and you would apply a cap cover.
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And that essentially will remove that node connection
from
being seen within the network or even into
the PLC,
which is cool. So with the with the
installation displacement
technology,
if you install a connector,
you can't remove it. Once it's removed, it
actually physically
pierces the cable, right? There's displacement
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and piercing
within the same connection. So,
once
you do the final crimp
and take your pliers and crimp it,
it can't be taken back off. And if
you did, you'd have some holes in that.
So you'd have to cut that section out
anyways. So that's where the cap covers come
in and allows you to kind of eliminate
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that node from service.
So that's that's part of that. But what
we're showing in this panel is
is probably maybe a little bit more traditional
to family. You'll see motor starters, right? We
we connect, you know, this as we said,
our communication module connects to the contactor, right?
That's what we're controlling this contactor, but, you
know, contactors are contactors. And if you want
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to use them as a motor starter,
we have
products that will allow us to be like
a motor protection circuit breaker. You know, our
our line of one forty products, That's a,
motor protection breaker.
We have other devices like, overloads, like e
100 overloads. And, again, those those allow you
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to do different
motor starter configurations.
Right? And,
in our initial offering, it'll allow us to
have a
an interlock,
within the module that will allow us to
interlock to devices like a circuit breaker or
like an overload. So when those devices fail,
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we'll open the contactor.
So those are
some
basic operations here, but in the panel
shot that you're seeing here, obviously there's power
supplies and network switches and
molding case breakers. And those are some of
the traditional things that I think,
your customers are used to
implementing
in their designs. So Yeah. And, you know,
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I think when when you when the listeners
review is here, let's say we're gonna add
40 devices onto a single pair Ethernet.
They're like, yeah. So we don't we're not
changing the switch. We're just adding one gateway.
So we just need one port to get
into the Ethernet IP if you're not going
directly into the controller.
And the 40 devices sit on the ribbon
(30:30):
cable,
and they all they all live. I believe
you had a, I know in the preshow,
we saw a shot of the, RS logic
studio 5,000 router logic designer
That shows that these all live as children
under the gateway, almost
like IO cards underneath a remote IO adapter
or Ethernet IP
adapter.
So,
(30:50):
I think that's very interesting. Now for those
of you who might be wondering,
it's a
1834
AENTR.
Thank you for keeping the same nomenclature.
So just like you would have an AENTR
with anything else, all of your, 39 devices
sit underneath that.
In this case, we're seeing 800 f's and
100 e sitting underneath the gateway, which is
(31:13):
in channel a one of the CompactLogix.
Yep. Yep. We, we connect to just exactly
as you said, Sean. We're we're connecting this
platform to our latest generation controllers, the the
5,000 series controllers,
53 eighties, 55 eighties.
This platform,
requires kind of that amount of horsepower. So
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it's it fits ideally to our our latest
gen controllers,
V 37,
by the way. That's important. For users. Yeah.
Very important. We'll need V 37. That's where
we start.
And and as you said, we we add
products
to as as I as you said, and
I I do have a screen up
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here now. If you see that, for your
users, this will fit into the IO configuration
tree. Right? You'll add a gateway.
When you add a gateway, it creates a
like, consider it kind of like a sub
bus or a subnet,
a drop bus.
And what you have, and that's how when
you add those devices,
you'll be adding devices
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under the gateway.
The difference is
each of those devices that you add
have an IP address.
You can assign
an IP address and a name
just like you assign any other IP address.
So your your gateway has two sides. You'll
have the
the the full network side, the full TCP,
(32:41):
IP side, and then you'll have your single
pair side or your flat media side.
The
the the that gateway bridge allows for
you can,
you set your IP,
either hard set on the side of the
gateway. You'll have a hard IP setting for
the fourth octet or you can be DHCP.
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You can set it in factory talk links.
Right? You can you can establish that. On
the flat media side,
IPs are 1921681140.
And when the gateway always be in 1.1.
Now are those addresses assigned based on the
physical location on the ribbon cable?
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No. Actually, they're independent of that. So Oh,
okay. So you do not need to be
consecutive
on your IPs. Right? You can certainly make
a network that's IP 1.110.210.3,
all the way to 40.
But some customers sort of wanna probably,
maybe they want, you know, motor starters being
in their twenties or something. Adam, that's what
I'm saying. No. I can see that. Definitely.
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If you have starters and operators, you may
wanna separate them. Yeah. Do, you know, do
one is, you know, 10 through 21 is
30 through 40 or whatever. Exactly. Yeah. I
could definitely that that's good to have the
flexibility.
Yeah. So it doesn't doesn't mean that IPs
are linear on the media stream. So it
really controls
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you're controlling it to an IP,
but that doesn't mean it's the position number.
So that can be different.
And so the gateway helps us do that
where we'll actually have something called
a reference topology
and an actual topology. So,
it allows us to kind of move those
devices
(34:30):
to match
allergies, really. And, and that probably gets a
little bit hard on a podcast to show
you, but I will we have the ability
to do that and,
which is pretty cool. But at the end
of the day, you're
you know, you can control directly down to
that device. I wanted to go into my
(34:50):
tree and I wanna go all the way
down and I wanna connect to a 800
f push button that's at
IP address 192.1680.10.5,
I can do that. I can control it
through the controller.
I can see all of its data bits,
right? The controller bits. I get inputs, outputs,
config, much like you're used to seeing on
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any other device. So it's
and and again, we're doing all this through,
you know, Logix Designer Studio 5,000.
So we're we're hoping that, that's gonna certainly
help cut down on on significant learning.
And again, we're treating this as just an
extension to Ethernet IP, which is what it
(35:32):
is. Right? It's Ethernet from end to end
now
all the way down to your push buttons
on the door.
When you start kind of thinking about the
outcomes,
right, we covered a lot of ground, right?
We kind of talked about a lot of
things about the solution
and how it might work and what you
see. But really for
customers and the customers listening, you really look
at a few different things. One, we can
(35:53):
look at
reducing
wiring time. We talked about that as being
an 80%
less savings or up to 80% savings depending
on what your configuration is.
We talked about having the opportunity to
reduce panel size.
And so there's, that's a huge outcome. So,
you know, if you're looking to try to
(36:14):
save space, time,
labor, right opportunity
to kind of go seek and, try this
new solution. We talk about
how simple it is, right? We talk about
simplicity. We talk about eliminating hundreds of wires
potentially. We talk about eliminating the
actual screw terminations
(36:34):
and we talk about how easy it would
be to just quickly
create a multi drop connection within seconds to
connect the connector and to jump to another
connector and to another connector. And again, we
we see this on on some of our
our time studies, some of the integrators,
that have already had an opportunity to try
this, it's significantly
(36:55):
fast
and using those new IDC connectors
certainly help us do that. We talk about
sustainability,
that that's huge. We talk about reducing
reducing reducing, right? We talk about what are
we reducing? We're reducing copper.
We start talking about taking
physical wires out of a out of a
(37:17):
control panel, out of a control system. We
start reducing copper plastic.
We could physically start reducing panel sizes, metal,
weight.
If your customers are shipping, you know, enclosures
and systems, I mean, everything helps. Right? And,
so I think that, so those are some
huge,
huge outcomes and then let alone it's the
(37:38):
insights to data, right? So we improve
the ability to see these devices. We can
now see these devices
in somewhat real time, right? We can actually
click and go to a device
directly.
We're not going to
an IO program and checking to see if
the output is on, Right? Because we don't
(37:59):
really know if the device is really truly
on. But now
we're truly at the end device. Right? We're
sitting on the end device, meaning the button,
the starter,
the contactor.
We know its status we know the condition
you know and
and those are some huge huge outcomes that
I think we can help our customers with.
(38:21):
So we're pretty excited. I think
you know,
a couple of a couple of things. One
one important thing that maybe I didn't pick
up on is predictive
maintenance.
And I think that's a that's a huge
piece as well that the system will now
keep track of
number of hours and number of operations
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so that data will be within its device.
And so, you know,
you know, today, some of that's done by,
sticky notes in the machine and the last
time it was changed.
And so,
you know, now now it's simply,
you know, some of that data is monitored
and,
you know, data's visible within its add on
(39:04):
profile. All these devices use add on profiles,
and I can go into the add on
profile. I can see
my elapsed time, how many operations,
what's my remaining life, things like that. So
those are those are some pretty
pretty neat things coming. So, again,
we're excited about it. A lot of opportunity
(39:24):
out there, I think, with our customers to
help,
streamline their controls,
help,
consider opportunities to, maybe save them time,
save them
money, maybe help, knowing that they struggle
too with labor and resources
and trying to do more, right? They're trying
(39:45):
to always produce more systems with less and
trying to get machines out the door.
So we think that this position or this
product or solution can certainly help us do
that. Especially since, you know,
with today's kids growing up with touch screens
and handhelds and smartphones,
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there's not a as many of them who
are going out there and getting into,
you know, becoming an, a, a technician or
electrician who wires panels all day. It's harder
to find those people.
And so if you can make it smarter
and more intelligent and quicker
than,
you know, some of these people who have
been wiring panels for their whole life can
(40:26):
retire, and we could still have control panels
being made. Where was this twenty years ago,
Sean? I could have used this stuff. I
know. I know.
Yep. It is, that is interesting. You you
are exactly right. I think,
you know, we're accommodating to kind of a
new a new age. And Mhmm. And you're
right.
A lot of that, you know, complex wiring
(40:48):
and control circuits, I mean, some of that
can be replaced simply by connecting to it
and turning things on and off
and and and treating it like a lot
of our other, you know, Ethernet,
you know connectivity. So I'm really excited about
really am and and
it's it is available we're we're launched and
(41:09):
I would encourage
all of our listeners today to to go
learn more. You'll find that up on our,
Rockwell Automation website. So I would have them,
visit there and,
see what the possibilities are. Yeah. We're gonna
include that link in the description
so so you guys don't have to write
that down. You can just click on it.
(41:29):
It should be everywhere in the show notes.
So, if you're listening, there's a link that
goes directly to the page at rockwellautomation.com
that talks about this,
you know, infrastructure
Ethernet network that we just talked about, this
in cabinet Ethernet IP solution.
So, check it out. I'm I think it
looks just really cool, and it's exciting how
much time. And I'm sure a lot of
(41:51):
you out there who are OEMs or who
are integrators, you can see the value of
this as well because
it can just let you do more. Right?
And so, Kelly, thank you for coming on
and talking about this and sharing this with
the audience.
Congratulations
on launching it this week. It's exciting,
and, hope you guys so everybody who's listening,
we'd love to get your feedback.
(42:13):
Comment whether you're on YouTube or iTunes or
Spotify or somewhere else. I know we go
so many places.
Please leave your comments. You're gonna like this.
You're gonna check it out,
and, let us know. But with that, Kelly,
was there anything else you wanted to cover
today?
I think we we covered a lot of
ground. I I'm,
I am just excited as well to get
to get this product launched. It's been a
(42:34):
big development here at Rockwell,
and,
just really excited to see what our customers
we've been driving a lot of interest over
the last few years at various shows in
our automation fairs, and I'm just
looking forward to getting it into the plants
and letting our customers start to implement it.
So that is great. Sean, thank you.
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Thank you for the opportunity, and
great talking to you as always.
Well, I hope you guys enjoyed that episode.
I wanna thank Kelly for coming on the
show and doing a preshow with me and
then doing filming the actual show we did.
And I really appreciate him and all the
folks over at Rockwell Automation for making this
happen. You may have noticed
there was no ads in this episode. That's
(43:15):
right. Because ROQ Automation sponsored it to keep
it ad free. So I really appreciate them
doing that, and I hope someday I can
get some of that, new product to put
up on the wall there and test out
and do some more videos with you. But
with that said, I always appreciate your comments.
I try to check them every day. So
if you have any comments, thoughts, or opinions
on this, please let me know. There is
(43:35):
also a bonus after show just for members.
So if you're a member, please check that
out.
Some really cool stuff in there I think
you'll wanna see.
And, with that, I just wanna thank you
all again for tuning in this week. I
wanna wish you all good health and happiness.
And until next time, my friends,
peace.
Welcome back to the automation podcast. My name
is Sean Tierney from Insights in Automation.
And in this episode of the show, I
meet up with Kelly Parsono from Rockwell Automation
to learn all about a brand new product
they're launching this week. It's an Ethan IP
in cabinet solution. It's phenomenal. The amount of
wiring it's gonna reduce if you use it
is amazing. I think you guys are gonna
(00:22):
really enjoy this. Now if you do, or
if you have any questions or any thoughts
about this, please leave them in the comments.
Whether you're watching on YouTube or listening on
iTunes, Spotify, or somewhere else, or at theautomationblog.com.
I love to know what you guys think
about this. I'm pretty excited about it. And
for you members out there, I'm actually gonna
include some bonus video and some additional thoughts
(00:42):
of my own
in an after show just for members. So
with that said, let's get to this week's
episode with Kelly Posano from Rockwell Automation. Kelly,
thank you for coming on the automation podcast.
I am excited to learn all about this
Ethernet IP
in cabinet solution. But before we jump into
your presentation,
could you first, tell the audience who you
(01:04):
are? Hey, Sean. Well, I am Kelly Passano.
I am here at Rockwell.
I am,
our product manager,
global product manager for this new product, EthernetIP
and Cabinet. Been with Rockwell for a number
of years and a lot of different roles
and most recently,
gonna lead this product to market. So,
we're, we're super excited
(01:26):
because we just went to
AFC, and we are available,
for sale this week. So, super excited. So
I thought we would, jump through a few
slides,
and, we'll see what kind of questions, we
can help answer.
So, Sean, I kinda we kinda opened up
and we talked about this being this thing
called Ethernet IP in cabinet.
(01:48):
And so so in a sense, Rob, we're
not, you know think about it. We're not
really introducing a brand new
network to the market. Right? We here at
Rockwell, we we currently have
Ethernet IP,
that's that's our our mainstream
communication platform.
This is really
an extension
(02:09):
to that network.
What's really cool is, you know, and this
kind of goes back if you look at
it, this starts kind of back at, you
know, way back in I think about 2019
with with IEEE.
And so we're going to be leveraging
an I triple e eight zero two
single pair ethernet
design. All right so this is this is
(02:32):
kind of a brand new technology for us.
It's I triple e standard
for the
the P1S
protocol
for single pair Ethernet 10 megabaud.
And
what you're seeing kind of a or what
you're viewing here is really it's our adoption
with ODVA.
So when
(02:53):
when IEEE
launched out this specification,
we began working with the ODBA organization
to try to figure out how do we
implement this for industrial control cabinet designs. How
do we expand the number of nodes,
the connections
and bringing that into
the ethernet IP protocol?
(03:13):
And hence that's kind of exactly where we're
at today
with launching the in cabinet
solution. So just to give you a little
bit of background kind of where the organizations
and when that started. So
if we kind of look at what we're
doing with this
is an opportunity to kind of change the
(03:33):
game. Today, our customers,
connect our industrial components
and we've been selling industrial components for a
very long time and we continue to sell
components.
And these components would mount,
in a panel, control panel
and they get hardwired.
That's how we traditionally
(03:54):
connect our products. They're all hardwired
designs. And typically they get interfaced into
PLC
IO cards, right? Inputs, outputs,
right? All those control,
you know, when you build a control panel,
you you take a series of logical inputs,
you create a program and there's logical outputs,
right? There's no nothing
(04:15):
too mysterious about that. We've been doing it
for an awful long time. And,
but what we know
with doing wiring, we know that
it that it can take a long time.
It's,
it's time consuming.
On average, it takes about six minutes a
wire
to terminate.
When when you think about it, six minutes
a wire, there's there's two sides of a
(04:36):
cable, six minutes.
And, by the time you cut strip mark
and terminate a wire,
that adds up. And when you start looking
at a control panel where you have several
hundreds of wires,
that begins to lead to things,
one, time,
two,
maintaining and troubleshooting
and testing.
(04:57):
So what we're trying to do
as we launch out this new technology
is an opportunity to
start to focus on those things. How do
we help our customers
reduce
those number of pain points, right? How do
we make it easier to install?
You know, I just wanna jump in. I
know a lot of us spend so much
(05:18):
of our time programming,
designing,
and we're not out there wiring the panels,
but you know, I was reminded of this
last summer when I had to build, six
test stands
and hundreds and hundreds of wires. And I
pulled a couple all nighters to have this
thing done on time. And so it just
blew my mind, like you're saying, six minutes
(05:38):
per wire. It just blew my mind that,
you know, everything goes in opposing, terminal blocks.
Right? And so Yes. It just it just
it blew my mind. It it it is
truly if you have not wired audience, if
you haven't wired a panel in a while
or had to, you know, troubleshoot or test
to make sure all the wires go to
the right place, I am I consider myself
at my in my old age, a very
good wiring panel wiring person, but I made
(06:00):
mistakes. You know? You got hundreds of wires.
The chances are you will make a mistake
unless you're doing this every day. So I
really hear what you're saying there, and I'm
excited because this is an implement when when
you first said
single pair e sent it to me, this
was not what I was thinking. So I'm
excited to hear more about how
your implementation
of this
(06:21):
is gonna drastically reduce the wiring time in
these panels. And for those who are not
watching, if you're listening, I know a lot
of you listen only,
we had a panel here where a gentleman's
wiring it up and there's hundreds of wires
there, and it's just Yeah. Lots of times
doing it the classic way that most people
do it today. So, Kelly, let me turn
it back to you. I just wanted to
throw that out there. Yeah. Well, Sean, you
you bring up a great point. It it
(06:43):
it's a I think it's something that we
don't really think about. I think we've been
wiring products for so long, and it's just
something we do.
But when you really begin
to look
at, oh, the landed, you know,
how many minutes it takes and how many
physical point to point wires there are in
a control system, it certainly can be a
(07:03):
little unyielding and
it adds up. And then the problem is,
is the customers, you know, they need changes,
right? It's like, oh shoot, we
should have added just one more motor starter,
or we should have added this light instead
of that, or this controller instead of that.
And
when you get into those situations where we're
hardwired, those
(07:25):
get complicated, right? That complicates things, right? Now
you gotta figure out, you gotta design it
differently. You gotta change it. Might have to
change the layout, right? Now you're certainly wiring
more devices. And so, you know, it, there
is a bit of inflexibility
when it comes to things that are hardwired
and already installed,
and then you wanna make some changes. And
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so those are, those are, that's kind of
another area that I think we're going to,
be able to focus on as well and
help our customers through.
And and then really you're you're limited. You
know, one of the the last points,
is is really about monitoring, right? It really,
you know, you when you wire things through
IO, you're monitoring the IO point. Right? I
(08:08):
turn things on. I turn things off. Right?
You're looking for a feedback.
You're seeing if the input is true or
not true.
With our new solution,
you're gonna be right down to the device
level, right? This is gonna allow us to
put
ethernet
directly
to the device,
where in a sense previously
(08:29):
we're to an IO point. So,
with all of those things, I think we're
looking forward to kind of helping our customers
solve some of those problems.
It may be problems they don't even think
about today, but they're trying to make them
more efficient,
help them build panels faster
and, with less problems. So
(08:49):
this is a little bit on what the
solution entails, right? So this is not just
a single product. It's really a new infrastructure
for the end cabinet,
and it introduces
a couple of new parts.
And,
the the first and foremost, and we'll talk
about this a little bit, but it includes
this thing called a gateway.
(09:11):
As I I share it with you that
we're we're actually gonna be taking Ethernet
directly
to components.
And,
and we can't certainly take full gigabyte,
hundred megawatt Ethernet directly to components that cost,
you know, small dollars because
certainly they'd be outrageously priced and who would
(09:32):
buy them, right? So that's kind of where
the where the single pair ethernet comes into
play. And,
so our solution
will include a
a single cable design and that's kind of
important. So we're going to have a gateway
and we're going to introduce
a new flat media,
(09:52):
that's going to allow us to connect these
devices together.
And,
and we're gonna be able to connect a
total of 40 connections.
So that's gonna be a gateway plus
39 different devices that can attach to each
of those gateways
to my network.
And, and there's some limits,
(10:13):
25 meters of cable,
flat media cable
per gateway.
Alright. So that's roughly about what, 75, 80
cable feet,
should handle most, you know, small medium sized
panels out there.
And and the cool thing is is we're
introducing,
a new connector, right? So with that comes
(10:35):
these new insulation displacement
connectors
that are gonna allow you to connect those
field devices
without using
specialized
hardware. Right? We're we're looking at things like,
standard
pliers, standard channel lock
to make that connection.
All right. And,
(10:56):
and the last thing that I really wanted
to know is that we're really doing that
for standard products.
This is a means that or or this
is an opportunity where we can actually connect
this communication platform now
to standard products
off the shelf.
Right? So these are not
custom
(11:17):
configured
purchased separately products. These are gonna be standard
off the shelf contactors
off the shelf 800 f operators. So I
can talk a little bit more about
what those products are and how we're gonna
connect to them here in just a moment.
So,
so
I think I hit a little bit,
(11:38):
for the users today that that again, this
is gonna allow us to
be
really truly
end to end Ethernet.
Right? This is gonna allow us to go
directly from Ethernet
straight through
this new gateway.
And, yes, we're we're on a different media,
but at the end of the day, it's
(11:59):
Ethernet IP
and it's going to allow us to do
that. Now this is
and the great news here that this is
not a closed
proprietary network.
This is an open design
that's approved by ODBA. This is ODBA's
ethernet IP incabinet. We're gonna be the first
manufacturer
(12:20):
to implement it, which is really cool.
And so
with that, we've created this infrastructure that obviously
will be
looking for
others to join and to connect to
and, and to communicate through. So that is
really exciting.
The cool news is we're also
using standard tool sets.
(12:42):
Since this is ethernet shown,
we use all of our standard tools that
we have today, like Logix Designer and Studio
5,000.
So it really helped cut down on the
learning curve, right? Those control engineers, you don't
have to learn a new thing just because
we're launching out a new network, right? This
is just ethernet.
If you've configured a drive, an HMI,
(13:03):
you can configure a gateway
on single pair.
And so those are some really cool things
that I'm really looking for.
One of the things that
and I know maybe some of the users
are just listening but one of the things
we noted here is
80% reduction in wiring time. So Sean, you've
got to hit it. You you built systems
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before. I built a lot of systems, you
know, six minutes of wire, you know, you
start looking at those medium sized systems.
It truly is a significant amount of time
that a customer can save, something that they
really need to look at.
Yeah. I can think of a think of
a panel full of contactors as starters. If
you can just daisy chain with that ribbon
(13:46):
cable, but, you know, across all of them,
then it's just a ton of or if
you have a bunch of operators on your
panel,
you can just daisy chain all daisy chain
all of them down. I mean, that is
a huge saving.
Eliminate the discrete
wire interface to the contact,
to the connection point,
replacing it with a single
(14:06):
flat media connection.
And again, you're right.
It's what we're using is multi drop topology.
So it,
what I'm introducing here is the gateway,
that's really at the heart of this, right?
And you know ethernet, Joel, right? You got
the 100 megabaud,
the
teal cable.
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The gateway here will allow us to go
from
ethernet IP,
hundred megabyte or a gig,
to what we call
single pair, 10 megabaud.
Now that single pair is gonna be picked
up inside of a single cable.
And so the difference here is we're not
just running two wires out communicating.
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We're running a seven conductor
flat media. And I think my next slide
will probably show that a little bit more.
But this is a new media.
And within this media,
we'll be running again the 10 megabaud single
pair plus we run two sets of power.
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And
and why two sets? One set for
communications.
So we run a a network power to
all the devices.
Right? That establishes
my communications network.
Mhmm. And then my other power, we call
it switch power,
and that we're gonna be using to energize
coils.
So,
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our our and I'll kinda talk a little
bit about with you what our initial offering
is,
but we're gonna be focusing on, obviously, motor
control.
Let it out of the bag, but we're
gonna be focusing on motor control. So coils.
Right? We're gonna turn coils on. So the
switch power is gonna be used for turning
on contactor coils.
We're also running in that same media.
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We run a,
a select line.
And the select line is actually used for
topology finding, right? So every time we put
a connector,
every time we install a connection onto that
flat media,
we create a topology.
We identify that there's a module at that
spot
or at that position.
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So as you said, you go from one
device to another device to another device and
so on, you know, up to 39 devices.
And,
and the select line allows us to be
that nodal positioner.
And then from there, we can create the
topology.
And I don't wanna steal your thunder. Yep.
But in the pre show, we talked about
something I thought was pretty important. For anybody
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who's familiar with legacy networks that have power
lines,
we were talking about the network power. And
a lot of times we think, well, yeah,
there's a Ethernet chip in the device that
needs power. Right? So it needs to get
power from somewhere. But you were also telling
me you can actually, like, turn on the
indicator on a pilot using that network power.
Is that correct? Yeah. That is correct. You're
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right. One of the
we're gonna be
one of the devices
that that we are going to connect to
is a 800 f, you know, for our
22 millimeter
panel operators.
We'll have a communication module that will have
a
color changing
LED. It has an RGB.
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So for first time, we're gonna be offering
a RGB
LED light source,
runs strictly off of that network power, Sean,
which is kinda cool. Nice.
Yeah. So eight color choices.
So our emphasis
to start with is is really
gonna be motor starting. Right? So when you
look at inside of a panel,
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you've seen inside panels,
the majority
of control wiring comes from motor starters, right?
That you got your coils, you got your
auxes, you got your trip statuses,
you know, if it's your circuit breakers,
you know, you got all your operators on
the door.
You probably seen
seen panels with this, you know, I call
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it the spinal cord, right? You got a
lot of a lot of wires and cables
traveling
between those locations.
Not to say that there's other cables anywhere
else, but that that for us
was probably a significant reason why we why
we kind of started with the motor control
as our first connection point. So, we'll be
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attaching
communication accessory
to our 100 E
and 104
E contactors.
Those are our global AC contactors
from nine amps to 96 amps.
So if your customer is using standard across
the line motor control
using 100 Es,
we'll have a front mount
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accessory
that'll snap on,
no tools needed,
and it'll allow us then to connect that
flat media connection
as one of those drops, right, as you
said. And I think
I'll throw a slide up here for your
users,
but that's kind of that front mount accessory,
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Right? It's a it's a simple over the
top, click down latch, done. And you'll have
one for a standard non reversing, and then
you'll have one for a reverser.
Right? Because you have two contactors. So we
sit on the forward and the reversing.
The cool thing, Sean, is that we pick
up in this, we pick up our auxiliary.
So we don't need, you don't need a
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contactor now, right? What's a motor starter? You
gotta have always an auxiliary contact, right? If
I tell it to turn on, I need
to actually run the auxiliary back to the
PLC to say I'm actually on, right? So
in this,
we actually pick that auxiliary up through the
communications.
So just by having that module on the
front of the device where we have a
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the plunger inside, we we can actually use
that as our auxiliary.
So that's pretty cool. But we also have
those accessories then that will
snap onto,
our existing 800 f
and our latches. So today, we we've been
selling 800 f. It's the 22 millimeter. Right?
22.5
millimeter,
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panel operators,
illuminated, non illuminated.
They have a latch.
This communication
module or this accessory will latch
or connect on the back of that standard
latch, which is pretty cool.
So a quick snap on. The other interesting
thing is that we actually
we actually can connect,
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two standard contacts,
adjacent to the comm module. So when we
snap that comm module on the back, we
can actually connect
two additional,
standard contacts.
So I don't know. You know, customer might
have an auxiliary
circuit that he wants to pick up
because maybe I have a hard switch and
(20:56):
I wanna just turn one other thing on
or acknowledge something else. And so we could
snap two contacts on, which is pretty cool.
And and then again, it's illuminated and not
illuminated. So pretty basic. So again, so that
kind of completes the first attachment.
You, again,
standard 100E,
104
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contactors
off the shelf,
not custom,
standard 800F
illuminated, non illuminated
and
standard latches,
which is going to make life a little
bit easier. And I love
the idea that we're picking up an RGB.
So it's that color changing eight colors.
(21:39):
And we can now we can have, you
know, the advantage of this
into the users listening is that you can
begin to have
clear lenses, right? A clear lens
and you can tell it that it's green
or red or blue
or amber
or magenta
or you know so you can you can
change the color to it. And and the
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cool thing is is you can change it
to multiple colors.
So now you can have
some skew reduction. So you know because you
know when you're designing a panel Sean that
there's always like that one red button that
you forgot to order right that dang red
light that I needed to finish my panel
up. And so now you now you can
get some efficiencies where they can buy clear
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lens, use the RGB color,
and ultimately they can try some efficiencies and
potentially even reduce the number of operators and
indicators they need. So Well, I know a
lot of us too. We, you know, when
you had a limited budget you were like,
well, I'll use green for running, and I'll
blink green if it's a jam, and I'll
blink it really fast if it's something else.
(22:45):
And so now you can go with colors.
You could go That's cool. Yeah. And you're
right. I I should have green. Yep. I
should have mentioned that, Sean. We can be
steady on. We can be illuminated.
Mhmm. We can be dim.
Oh, guess what? You could change the percentages
of those as well. So,
so if you wanna dim a certain percentage
or at night, so that there's gonna be
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a lot of opportunity.
Showing a showing a video here and I
know maybe some of the users listening can't
see that, but maybe they'll queue in
later on. But here is a panel
that kind of illustrates
the flat media design. So when you when
you look at this panel
down in the lower left
(23:28):
left corner of that panel, you'll notice where
the gateway is located.
Leaving that gateway, you'll notice that flat media.
And then just like we had talked about,
there's six motor starters in this panel,
connected,
adjacent to one another. We had a couple
reversers,
the rest is non reversing. Reversing.
(23:50):
And you'll notice that we go from module
to module to module to module. Right? You're
you're running a little bit of a service
loop between.
Mhmm. Remember, this is a multi drop topology.
So guess what?
I can actually take a module out for
service without interrupting the rest of my network.
Right? So if
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for some reason you have to replace or
change,
simply lifting one out won't interrupt my
network communications to the other devices.
So that's pretty cool.
I think then you'll kind of notice as
the video moves, you'll see some
door operators as well. So no big spinal
cord,
as I call it, spinal cord of wires.
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You really truly have just a single flat
media cable that can continue that multi drop
connecting to those panel operators mounted on the
enclosure.
Yeah. For most people listening, there's a bunch
of operators in this one. I I don't
know. What do you do you have, like,
18
different operators in there or more? But this
is much I think I used 15 operators.
No. I I used 15 operators.
(24:56):
It's a lot cleaner than I mean, I
can just the time wiring with standard operators
and making sure all the bend radiuses are
the same and it looks nice
compared to this daisy chain just taking the
ribbon cable, clip, clip, clip, clip, clip, and
it just looks nice
automatically.
It looks like you have go ahead.
Any guess on how long it would take
(25:17):
to connect?
I think there's twenty two
twenty two nodes in here, I think, fifteen,
sixteen, about 22 nodes. You know how long
it took to connect the flat media to
22 nodes?
Tell me.
Less than fifty minutes.
I believe it. I believe it. Less than
fifty minutes, I was able to connect the
flat media. Actually, it wasn't me. We had
(25:37):
some integrators do this in our time studies,
but, Now I know you did the thing
we all hardwired. How long did it take
to hardwire it? It? Hardwired.
Anywhere from,
I would say on average around twenty hours.
Wow. Huge savings.
Yeah. Hardwired twenty hours. And we were able
(25:57):
to actually help reduce the panel size as
well. It's kind of an offset, right? So
if you can start to look at ways
to
streamline your panels and what you're putting in,
well, you can look at either you can,
you know, add other things,
combine things, or maybe ultimately shrink the panel.
Right? So there's there's just a lot of
(26:18):
opportunity,
depending on what the control system looks like
or what their design looks like. But Now
I'm noticing some accessories
in the panel. It's not just the ribbon
cable and the connectors for each of the
devices.
Can you talk about some of the other
accessories? I think you have like a a
joiner, a cap, and some other things.
(26:38):
Oh, so, actually, you're right. So the,
so in the,
from the flat media
Mhmm. You'll have the opportunity. You'll have a
whole family of connectors.
So we have a a portfolio of connectors.
So when you think of the flat media,
you'll have a connector that
connects at the gateway.
(26:58):
You'll have a connector that connects at all
of your end node modules.
We also will have
a
connector device that allows us in the event
that, say, your flat media becomes damaged.
Say they're in there doing something and they
accidentally damage the flat media, we'll have a
splicer,
a splice connector that'll allow you to join
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two flat medias together.
So that'll be one one member of the
family.
There is a terminator, right? So, this is
an electrical network. So at the end of
that flat media, you're required to use a
a terminator connector.
It looks very similar to the others. It's
capped on one end. It applies the same,
(27:41):
same same way you install any other connectors.
And then the last of the family will
be a cap. The cap would used for
two things. One is if you if you
no longer
want a node in service,
you would remove the connector
and you would apply a cap cover.
(28:02):
And that essentially will remove that node connection
from
being seen within the network or even into
the PLC,
which is cool. So with the with the
installation displacement
technology,
if you install a connector,
you can't remove it. Once it's removed, it
actually physically
pierces the cable, right? There's displacement
(28:25):
and piercing
within the same connection. So,
once
you do the final crimp
and take your pliers and crimp it,
it can't be taken back off. And if
you did, you'd have some holes in that.
So you'd have to cut that section out
anyways. So that's where the cap covers come
in and allows you to kind of eliminate
(28:46):
that node from service.
So that's that's part of that. But what
we're showing in this panel is
is probably maybe a little bit more traditional
to family. You'll see motor starters, right? We
we connect, you know, this as we said,
our communication module connects to the contactor, right?
That's what we're controlling this contactor, but, you
know, contactors are contactors. And if you want
(29:07):
to use them as a motor starter,
we have
products that will allow us to be like
a motor protection circuit breaker. You know, our
our line of one forty products, That's a,
motor protection breaker.
We have other devices like, overloads, like e
100 overloads. And, again, those those allow you
(29:27):
to do different
motor starter configurations.
Right? And,
in our initial offering, it'll allow us to
have a
an interlock,
within the module that will allow us to
interlock to devices like a circuit breaker or
like an overload. So when those devices fail,
(29:48):
we'll open the contactor.
So those are
some
basic operations here, but in the panel
shot that you're seeing here, obviously there's power
supplies and network switches and
molding case breakers. And those are some of
the traditional things that I think,
your customers are used to
implementing
in their designs. So Yeah. And, you know,
(30:09):
I think when when you when the listeners
review is here, let's say we're gonna add
40 devices onto a single pair Ethernet.
They're like, yeah. So we don't we're not
changing the switch. We're just adding one gateway.
So we just need one port to get
into the Ethernet IP if you're not going
directly into the controller.
And the 40 devices sit on the ribbon
(30:30):
cable,
and they all they all live. I believe
you had a, I know in the preshow,
we saw a shot of the, RS logic
studio 5,000 router logic designer
That shows that these all live as children
under the gateway, almost
like IO cards underneath a remote IO adapter
or Ethernet IP
adapter.
So,
(30:50):
I think that's very interesting. Now for those
of you who might be wondering,
it's a
1834
AENTR.
Thank you for keeping the same nomenclature.
So just like you would have an AENTR
with anything else, all of your, 39 devices
sit underneath that.
In this case, we're seeing 800 f's and
100 e sitting underneath the gateway, which is
(31:13):
in channel a one of the CompactLogix.
Yep. Yep. We, we connect to just exactly
as you said, Sean. We're we're connecting this
platform to our latest generation controllers, the the
5,000 series controllers,
53 eighties, 55 eighties.
This platform,
requires kind of that amount of horsepower. So
(31:35):
it's it fits ideally to our our latest
gen controllers,
V 37,
by the way. That's important. For users. Yeah.
Very important. We'll need V 37. That's where
we start.
And and as you said, we we add
products
to as as I as you said, and
I I do have a screen up
(31:57):
here now. If you see that, for your
users, this will fit into the IO configuration
tree. Right? You'll add a gateway.
When you add a gateway, it creates a
like, consider it kind of like a sub
bus or a subnet,
a drop bus.
And what you have, and that's how when
you add those devices,
you'll be adding devices
(32:18):
under the gateway.
The difference is
each of those devices that you add
have an IP address.
You can assign
an IP address and a name
just like you assign any other IP address.
So your your gateway has two sides. You'll
have the
the the full network side, the full TCP,
(32:41):
IP side, and then you'll have your single
pair side or your flat media side.
The
the the that gateway bridge allows for
you can,
you set your IP,
either hard set on the side of the
gateway. You'll have a hard IP setting for
the fourth octet or you can be DHCP.
(33:04):
You can set it in factory talk links.
Right? You can you can establish that. On
the flat media side,
IPs are 1921681140.
And when the gateway always be in 1.1.
Now are those addresses assigned based on the
physical location on the ribbon cable?
(33:27):
No. Actually, they're independent of that. So Oh,
okay. So you do not need to be
consecutive
on your IPs. Right? You can certainly make
a network that's IP 1.110.210.3,
all the way to 40.
But some customers sort of wanna probably,
maybe they want, you know, motor starters being
in their twenties or something. Adam, that's what
I'm saying. No. I can see that. Definitely.
(33:49):
If you have starters and operators, you may
wanna separate them. Yeah. Do, you know, do
one is, you know, 10 through 21 is
30 through 40 or whatever. Exactly. Yeah. I
could definitely that that's good to have the
flexibility.
Yeah. So it doesn't doesn't mean that IPs
are linear on the media stream. So it
really controls
(34:09):
you're controlling it to an IP,
but that doesn't mean it's the position number.
So that can be different.
And so the gateway helps us do that
where we'll actually have something called
a reference topology
and an actual topology. So,
it allows us to kind of move those
devices
(34:30):
to match
allergies, really. And, and that probably gets a
little bit hard on a podcast to show
you, but I will we have the ability
to do that and,
which is pretty cool. But at the end
of the day, you're
you know, you can control directly down to
that device. I wanted to go into my
(34:50):
tree and I wanna go all the way
down and I wanna connect to a 800
f push button that's at
IP address 192.1680.10.5,
I can do that. I can control it
through the controller.
I can see all of its data bits,
right? The controller bits. I get inputs, outputs,
config, much like you're used to seeing on
(35:11):
any other device. So it's
and and again, we're doing all this through,
you know, Logix Designer Studio 5,000.
So we're we're hoping that, that's gonna certainly
help cut down on on significant learning.
And again, we're treating this as just an
extension to Ethernet IP, which is what it
(35:32):
is. Right? It's Ethernet from end to end
now
all the way down to your push buttons
on the door.
When you start kind of thinking about the
outcomes,
right, we covered a lot of ground, right?
We kind of talked about a lot of
things about the solution
and how it might work and what you
see. But really for
customers and the customers listening, you really look
at a few different things. One, we can
(35:53):
look at
reducing
wiring time. We talked about that as being
an 80%
less savings or up to 80% savings depending
on what your configuration is.
We talked about having the opportunity to
reduce panel size.
And so there's, that's a huge outcome. So,
you know, if you're looking to try to
(36:14):
save space, time,
labor, right opportunity
to kind of go seek and, try this
new solution. We talk about
how simple it is, right? We talk about
simplicity. We talk about eliminating hundreds of wires
potentially. We talk about eliminating the
actual screw terminations
(36:34):
and we talk about how easy it would
be to just quickly
create a multi drop connection within seconds to
connect the connector and to jump to another
connector and to another connector. And again, we
we see this on on some of our
our time studies, some of the integrators,
that have already had an opportunity to try
this, it's significantly
(36:55):
fast
and using those new IDC connectors
certainly help us do that. We talk about
sustainability,
that that's huge. We talk about reducing
reducing reducing, right? We talk about what are
we reducing? We're reducing copper.
We start talking about taking
physical wires out of a out of a
(37:17):
control panel, out of a control system. We
start reducing copper plastic.
We could physically start reducing panel sizes, metal,
weight.
If your customers are shipping, you know, enclosures
and systems, I mean, everything helps. Right? And,
so I think that, so those are some
huge,
huge outcomes and then let alone it's the
(37:38):
insights to data, right? So we improve
the ability to see these devices. We can
now see these devices
in somewhat real time, right? We can actually
click and go to a device
directly.
We're not going to
an IO program and checking to see if
the output is on, Right? Because we don't
(37:59):
really know if the device is really truly
on. But now
we're truly at the end device. Right? We're
sitting on the end device, meaning the button,
the starter,
the contactor.
We know its status we know the condition
you know and
and those are some huge huge outcomes that
I think we can help our customers with.
(38:21):
So we're pretty excited. I think
you know,
a couple of a couple of things. One
one important thing that maybe I didn't pick
up on is predictive
maintenance.
And I think that's a that's a huge
piece as well that the system will now
keep track of
number of hours and number of operations
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so that data will be within its device.
And so, you know,
you know, today, some of that's done by,
sticky notes in the machine and the last
time it was changed.
And so,
you know, now now it's simply,
you know, some of that data is monitored
and,
you know, data's visible within its add on
(39:04):
profile. All these devices use add on profiles,
and I can go into the add on
profile. I can see
my elapsed time, how many operations,
what's my remaining life, things like that. So
those are those are some pretty
pretty neat things coming. So, again,
we're excited about it. A lot of opportunity
(39:24):
out there, I think, with our customers to
help,
streamline their controls,
help,
consider opportunities to, maybe save them time,
save them
money, maybe help, knowing that they struggle
too with labor and resources
and trying to do more, right? They're trying
(39:45):
to always produce more systems with less and
trying to get machines out the door.
So we think that this position or this
product or solution can certainly help us do
that. Especially since, you know,
with today's kids growing up with touch screens
and handhelds and smartphones,
(40:06):
there's not a as many of them who
are going out there and getting into,
you know, becoming an, a, a technician or
electrician who wires panels all day. It's harder
to find those people.
And so if you can make it smarter
and more intelligent and quicker
than,
you know, some of these people who have
been wiring panels for their whole life can
(40:26):
retire, and we could still have control panels
being made. Where was this twenty years ago,
Sean? I could have used this stuff. I
know. I know.
Yep. It is, that is interesting. You you
are exactly right. I think,
you know, we're accommodating to kind of a
new a new age. And Mhmm. And you're
right.
A lot of that, you know, complex wiring
(40:48):
and control circuits, I mean, some of that
can be replaced simply by connecting to it
and turning things on and off
and and and treating it like a lot
of our other, you know, Ethernet,
you know connectivity. So I'm really excited about
really am and and
it's it is available we're we're launched and
(41:09):
I would encourage
all of our listeners today to to go
learn more. You'll find that up on our,
Rockwell Automation website. So I would have them,
visit there and,
see what the possibilities are. Yeah. We're gonna
include that link in the description
so so you guys don't have to write
that down. You can just click on it.
(41:29):
It should be everywhere in the show notes.
So, if you're listening, there's a link that
goes directly to the page at rockwellautomation.com
that talks about this,
you know, infrastructure
Ethernet network that we just talked about, this
in cabinet Ethernet IP solution.
So, check it out. I'm I think it
looks just really cool, and it's exciting how
much time. And I'm sure a lot of
(41:51):
you out there who are OEMs or who
are integrators, you can see the value of
this as well because
it can just let you do more. Right?
And so, Kelly, thank you for coming on
and talking about this and sharing this with
the audience.
Congratulations
on launching it this week. It's exciting,
and, hope you guys so everybody who's listening,
we'd love to get your feedback.
(42:13):
Comment whether you're on YouTube or iTunes or
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Please leave your comments. You're gonna like this.
You're gonna check it out,
and, let us know. But with that, Kelly,
was there anything else you wanted to cover
today?
I think we we covered a lot of
ground. I I'm,
I am just excited as well to get
to get this product launched. It's been a
(42:34):
big development here at Rockwell,
and,
just really excited to see what our customers
we've been driving a lot of interest over
the last few years at various shows in
our automation fairs, and I'm just
looking forward to getting it into the plants
and letting our customers start to implement it.
So that is great. Sean, thank you.
(42:54):
Thank you for the opportunity, and
great talking to you as always.
Well, I hope you guys enjoyed that episode.
I wanna thank Kelly for coming on the
show and doing a preshow with me and
then doing filming the actual show we did.
And I really appreciate him and all the
folks over at Rockwell Automation for making this
happen. You may have noticed
there was no ads in this episode. That's
(43:15):
right. Because ROQ Automation sponsored it to keep
it ad free. So I really appreciate them
doing that, and I hope someday I can
get some of that, new product to put
up on the wall there and test out
and do some more videos with you. But
with that said, I always appreciate your comments.
I try to check them every day. So
if you have any comments, thoughts, or opinions
on this, please let me know. There is
(43:35):
also a bonus after show just for members.
So if you're a member, please check that
out.
Some really cool stuff in there I think
you'll wanna see.
And, with that, I just wanna thank you
all again for tuning in this week. I
wanna wish you all good health and happiness.
And until next time, my friends,
peace.
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