January 31, 2024 • 36 mins
Shawn Tierney meets up with John DeTellem of Siemens to learn what's new in TIA Portal v19 in this episode of The Automation Podcast.
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- Welcome back to the Automation Podcast,
the world's number oneindustrial automation product
and technology show.
Thanks to you, our audience
of highly skilled automationprofessionals, thank you
for being a member of our audience,
and thank you for tuningback in this week.
Now, if you're new to the show,
my name is Sean Tierney fromInsights and Automation,
and each week I invite a newvendor to come on the show
(00:21):
to tell us about theirproducts and technologies.
And during their presentation,I take on the role
of the audience asking questionsI think you might have,
as well as questions I have.
And given that a quarter ofour audience doesn't watch
but listens to the show duringthe presentation, I'll try
to call attention to any visuals
that I think the listen onlyaudience will wanna know about.
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With that said, I wanna welcomeJohn Della from Siemens back
to the show to bring us up
to speed on what's newin TIA portal version
19. John, how you doing?
- I'm doing good. Thanksfor having me back on
to do the update for the TIAportal version 19 release
that was dropped in November.
It was fundamentally the 24tharound Thanksgiving time,
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but, um, I, I know we,
we talk a lot about totallyintegrated automation
or TI portal, um,
but it is comprised of severalcomponents within it, um, for
engineering, the PLCs,controllers, the hmis, the drives,
um, and a variety of other things.
So in this case, you know, whenwe drop, uh, TF Portal V 19,
(01:24):
it's gonna be based on step seven win cc,
those step seven component V 19.
That's the part number youorder for the PLC side.
And then the WIN cc in this case, I like
to promote the latest andgreatest stuff is gonna be known
as the one CC Unified.
Um, so those are the twoprimary topics that we will kind
of cover today as far as, um, the,
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what was new in the release of the V 19
and what's on the roadmap, uh,in the next few months, uh,
around the automation side of it.
Uh, and again, it's a coordinated release,
so all these things come together.
The other things that comeout at the same time, uh,
as the step seven and OOCCare the options that kind
of set the f the framework.
Um, and those optionssupport these variety
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of different tasks beyondjust program the PLC, such as
team engineering or multi-userengineering working together,
um, on one project, uh, simulation
of the P-L-C-H-M-I safety.
Um, and then virtual commissioningis tying it to other, uh,
uh, mechanical model modelingin the digital twin realm.
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Uh, we also have, uh, components related
to version management andvalid validation, uh, such
as the VCI and the testsuite and Teamcenter Gateway.
I, I don't, I won't touchon those too much today.
Um, user management is another component
of all these things comingtogether, getting away from that,
that old school passwordthat we all have in our head.
(02:50):
I'm going toward more's a,uh, user management, uh,
where we manage you as Sean Tierney, uh,
and grant your access towhether it's PLC safety, uh,
HMI drives motion, uh,
and kind of limit what youhave, um, authority to do.
Uh, that's another topic
that's rolled into all these components.
And then of course, the othertopics I'm not gonna kind
(03:12):
of cover today is the automaticgeneration of, uh, some
of the solutions O-P-C-U-A
and Pro Diagonal are allother components around this.
Uh, just given the usersmore tool sets around
that automation engineering.
One thing that's prettysignificant, pretty consistent with
what we've done withall the versions is, uh,
even I'm working on aversion 17 with my projects
or my machine today, uh,I can't download V 19
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and it is side-by-sideinstallation installable
on my workspace.
Uh, they actually clearedup a couple, uh, situations
with the wcc, uh,professional and ncc, advanced
or unified, um, beingsimultaneously install
and V 19 as well, which I won't cover.
We'll, we'll try to get HMIteam on here to cover some of
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that stuff with the cc,
but from the, from the com,the basic core of the VV 19
with step seven, our objective is
that I can have multipleversions installed on my
workstation so that I can work at multiple
versions at the same time.
- Now, for the audio audience,this goes back to version 13.
SP one, the side-by-side install,
- Correct?
(04:18):
Yep. Okay. And,
and the other thingthat's pretty significant,
if I am on a software updateservice on my project,
like I said, I'm prettystable at V 17 T portal V 17,
even though if I do get theupdate, I can apply the update
and the license running asa V 19 is gonna activate all
of those versions back to V 11.
(04:39):
Uh, so that's another prettysignificant little point about
the fact that if I maintain my software,
I get the latest and greatest access.
I get the, I get the updateto update my, uh, V 11 license
and it still runs the V 11software on my computer.
- So if somebody had a V 17project they had to work on,
but they didn't own the software
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and they bought V 19, theywould still get access to V 17
and be able to program that system.
- Correct. They just haveto install the media file
for the V 17 step sevenmm-Hmm,,
and it'll run off the currentlypurchased V 19 license.
Nice. Um, and give 'emfull access to that stuff.
- Perfect. - Yeah, that's aanother significant thing.
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If I expand my plant whereI have an install base
and I need one more license,I just buy the latest version
and then just apply it to the installation
or the image that has my V 17.
Another thing that comes up a lot of times
with customers when wedo this, a new release
of E 19 is there's new hardware.
So the PLC will havea now a, a new release
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of a hardware platform, 3.1
and, uh, firmware 3.1,
and you won't find thatin your V 17 software.
But, um, it is compatible.
So even though I order a brand new PLCA
1512 compact CPU, um,
and I get the 3.1 firmwarethat works with the V 19,
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you don't have to do any flash backwards
or firmware, uh, adjustments.
You just apply that hardwareto your V 17 environment
with the latest and greatest firmware
that's supported in V 17
and the hardware runsin compatibility mode.
Um, and that's a generalstandard across all
the product portfolios.
Uh, another thing that's beena kind of a feedback from some
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of the guys over the lastcouple years as they do a lot
of engineering, the TI portal is, um,
the high res solution support.
Uh, the, the T portal,uh, software was, uh,
fundamentally released in 2010.
Um, and over the last four
or five years, there'sbeen a, a recognition
that they wanted a littlebit more higher resolution
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capability, bigger screenfor some of those engineers
that are, um, doing aboatload of this stuff.
So that was released in the, uh, V 19, no,
no plans for dark mode.
Um, there's a lot of thingsthat have to be dealt
with if we attempted a dark mode.
And some of that has to dowith the color animations
that goes on inside the white screen
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that we have already todaywith the color of the blocks
and the color of the animationsrelated to certain faults
that it would be pretty tedious to do
and support the dark mode.
Um, again, one of the key things
that happens when we releaseone of these, uh, versions
of the software issupport for the hardware
that we've been working on inthe, in the background, um,
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as far as, uh, the next release of the,
uh, hardware devices.
So, um, in V 18, there wasa, a new hardware platform
for most of the controllers,
basically taking it from asingle core, uh, PLC controller,
uh, to a dual core and splittingoff that communications.
And this is just the business,the way that communications
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and data has been driven out of the PLC
and out of the automationworld into all these other, um,
uh, digitalization topicsthat it kind of came to play
that we needed to ensurethat there was still a power
and performance for the executionof the, the program codes.
So that's in the, uh, the core one
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of the, uh, processor.
And then we split out all
that communications pulling data out
and put that in the core tool.
Um, so this was done inV 18 in the first phase,
and now it's being introduced, uh,
in V 19 in the second phase.
And there'll be of other controllers, uh,
performance enhancements in the V 20,
which comes out later this year.
(08:30):
- Now, this is all under the hood, right?
Just like when your PC went to dual core,
you didn't have to worry about anything.
Everything's taken care of by the firmware
and you just program like normal. Yes,
- We do a lot of thingslike that under the hood.
There's a lot of thingsjust taken care of for you,
so we can focus on our automation side.
Yeah, no, absolutely. This isdefinitely taking care of us.
And again, there's all, there's,uh, backward compatibility
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for these devices as well sothat they can be installed.
And, and I think you, and, um, Lewis
and I are set up for a tech talk on some
of the controller stuff in, uh, February.
So that'd be a good chance toget into the details of some
of the PLCs and the controllers.
Nice. Uh, of course, the VPLC is now,
um, configurable, NTF portal.
(09:12):
Uh, so here, uh, basically what it is,
is within the TI portalframework, I can go search
through the controllersand I can select the VPLC.
Uh, now the actual, um, subscription
and the package that provides the actual
virtual PLC on the edgeecosystem is another purchase
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and requires, um,another step of enabling,
um, yourself or the customeron the industrial edge
and on the subscriptionservice on the VPLC.
And the actual VPLC is in a limited, uh,
product release where we'llsit down with the customer
and evaluate what they're gonna do
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and make sure it's beingproperly applied in the strategy
that fits for the first steps of it.
But I mean, ultimately, if Iswitch over here to my, um,
cloud instance, you cansee here I'm running yeah,
portal in the cloud, thesame time I'm talking to you.
I can go to controllers, Ican select my S seven 1500,
(10:16):
and I can scroll down here to find, uh,
the VPLC, so I can set that up.
It's standard PLC,
like we talked about lastweek in our tech talk.
Um, but I can set that up inTI portal and drag blocks to it
and program it, um, and,
and, uh, kind of get afeel of what it looks like
inside my TIA portal framework.
Um, before we get startedinto the, uh, actual world
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of setting up in our edge ecosystem.
The, the other thing that was,that came through pretty, um,
significantly in, um, the, uh, um,
3.1 firmware
and the, um, V 19 is that user management
and access control, uh, in,in the previous versions, V 15
to V 18 has evolved in a playproject, user management,
(11:03):
uh, tool set, and alittle bit of safety, uh,
user management came into that.
Um, but, um, again,following that, that mission
and that the objective toget away from that, that
that password that we use to,um, get into certain realms
of the, uh, access of thePLC or, um, web server
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and other functionalityuser management is now, um,
configured inside the PLC as well.
Uh, so that, that thatfunctionality that was known
as user management accesscontrol for the engineering
and inside TI portal where I configured it
or I tied it to UMC or ourWindows domain for the users.
Now, uh, actually if weset it up properly, um,
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the PLC actually is now,um, also capable of, uh,
ensuring that it checks who's logging in
and that they have the valid rights
and roles to do the features
and functions that are a part of that PLC.
So this is the firststep in bringing the PLC
into that user management.
And, and that's another good tech talk
(12:08):
or, um, uh, product podcast
that we could get into is the user
management access control.
Actually, if anybody's interestedin this, uh, Lewis and I
and Galen Freeman did anice little webinar, uh,
a couple years ago that'sstill online that also steps
through a really niceexample of how to set this up
and kind of configureA-A-P-L-C programmer,
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a safety programmer, and aread-only maintenance guy.
Um, and kind of, kindof get into this, it's,
it's pretty simple stuff,but you gotta kind of know
how to get started, right?
The release of the V 19is more functionality
for our redundancy solutions and systems.
So there's a lot of guysthat are applying, um,
more robust type, um, PLCswith extended temperatures
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and, um, uh, ex more advanced, uh,
ratings as far as the, uh,uh, the ability of the PLC to,
to, uh, uh, exist inthe environment, IP 67
and also the redundancy.
There's a, they, they push fora lot of these different, um,
implications to be configured
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with having this redundantsystem set up there.
So that's been a anothergood, um, discussion, uh,
and dialogue during that tech talk.
Uh, one of the key thingsthat came out of, uh,
a demand from most of ourcustomers that are applying
our redundant systems is theOPC capability in the 1500.
And that was a big, um, push to get
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that released in V 19 as well.
Inside, uh, the program structure
where we can organize our PLC blocks,
traditionally we programinside main OB one, uh,
and we kind of set up ourstructure under program blocks.
But, um, software using it,it is software units is a,
is another way to segment,um, control code into a, uh,
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a little unit that is kindof more object oriented
with the type of functionality
that may be maybe module one is conveyor.
Module two is, uh, the robots.
And I kind of organize a lotmore structure to my breakout
of my program, and then Ican program these things
independently and download changes
to one without affecting the other.
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Uh, so software units is kind
of evolving over the lastfew years, uh, with more
and more, uh, uh, functionality
to help the user apply this concept.
Uh, it kind of has to beplanned out in the beginning
that this is gonna be my mainline stations under a unit,
uh, fail safe can be a completelyseparate, uh, the robots,
the NP conveyors, those,
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the tanks could all be individual ones.
Um, but in, um, in V 19, uh, our V 18,
we introduced namespace,which was an additional field
that help manage that environment.
And in, um, V 19, we introducedthe ability to define
these, um, named value data types
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inside, um, the software unit.
So this is just anotherprogramming tool, I think called,
that's used in certainenvironments where you define, um,
text based, um,
or name value valuesinstead of using a value.
So I, here I could have apositive negative, um, as a,
as a value type.
Uh, another example is a red
light, green light, yellow light.
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In the case that you havean error, you just, um,
generate the fact thatyou want a red light.
Um, so that's kind ofa, a standard in the IEC
and we brought that intothe software unit so
that there's more programmingpower inside of that.
And then also in V 19,we introduced the ability
to link the emotion
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or the technology objects out
of this traditional motioncontrol side of the PLC so
that it can be integrated into,um, the software units, uh,
for kind of more better organization.
And advanced programming Trace,uh, has been part of the,
the 15 hundreds sincethe inception, basically
a version one, uh, fundamentallythat was a, uh, a trace
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that's real and runningagainst the real main program
or the cyclical cyclical Band capturing the measurements
or the values of thetags related to the PLC.
Um, the, over the years, we've extended it
to support the abilityof combining measurements
or signals from one PLCto another PLC to a drive,
(16:29):
'cause the drive alsohas the same, uh, uh, uh,
user defined, uh, configurabletrace functionality.
Uh, but in VA team, weintroduced the ability
to do it without loading it in the PLC
and to basically, um,store it in a long term,
long term format on the actualENV engineering environment.
(16:50):
So I have the capabilitydoing a little bit more
functionality for debugtroubleshooting, uh,
than I would if I was tryingto do it inside the PLC.
Uh, as I mentioned, that waskind of fundamentally overview
of the hardware, thecontrollers, the sub seven.
Uh, here's a whole breadthof, uh, uh, additional things
that were rolled out withour WIN CC Unified, uh,
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version 19, uh, unified hasbeen our platform for the hmis.
It basically evolved, um, ina nice transition from comfort
advanced, um, functionalityto what we wanna go
to the future, which is moreof a unified HMI approach
where I have HMI capability anywhere.
Um, some of the key things thatcame out of, uh, CC Unified,
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uh, ver version 19 was,uh, the process diagnostics
that we've had in the pastis, is, is being able to, uh,
finalize the configuration of that
pro diag process diagnostics outta the PLC
and get access to the actual diagnostics
that we've configured inthe lateral, um, PLC code,
and actually being able to see the screens
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or see the logic on the HMI screens.
Um, and there's a couple other things.
Um, additional family knownas the basic unified basic
panels, which are, uh,fundamentally the second generation
of our, um, basic panel.
Uh, it's, it's thatmore cost effective HMI
that you might apply to S seven 1200
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or basic automation, uh,without the need to go into all
of the, the functionality
that exists in the unified comfort.
Uh, but basically we've,we've introduced now, uh,
two hardware platforms thatare now on this win cc unified,
um, portfolio, productportfolio for TI portal
as we go into the future.
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- Yeah, and I don't meanthis as a gotcha question,
but do you get,
when do you get the unified basic
development software for free?
Like we used to get the basicdevelopment software free
with step seven.
- Yeah, I used to do that.So yeah, if you get started
with just the, yeah, yeah.
If you get started with the step
seven, um, that's a good point.
Um, again, fundamentally it'sall installed with step seven.
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Um, uh, I forgot to dropthat screen in here,
but, um, the installationis, uh, when I do step seven,
I have the option of doingthe full install of the, uh,
one CCC Comfort Advance Unified together.
It's all part of the one installation.
Uh, and then I activate alicense for the component that I,
that I'm gonna use, for example,step seven professional,
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but if I drop in a basic in there, yeah,
it's gonna be includedin the, um, step seven.
Yep. And that's thecool thing is that, um,
it's just a matter of getting the license
and there's a 21 day trialagain on all that stuff.
Mm-Hmm., another thing
that's pretty significant,um, was rolling the unified
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engineering into our multi-user support.
So, uh, that multi-user projectserver functionality had
been part of the TI portalframework in the past,
but when we introduced Unified,
there was a slight gap from one release
to the next release in its, uh,
and it's feature set supsupporting the ability to check in
and check out changes across multi users.
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Uh, so V 19 really broughtforward, um, that ability to work
on a project server, um, or work by myself
and check in my changes and keep track
of 'em with the project server.
And, and multi-user isprobably one of our largest
purchased options, uh, for customers
to basically set up a projectwhere more than one person
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works together from that projectand checks in their changes
or, um, uh,
rolls out an update across theteam, uh, based on the, uh,
the version management of theproject server environment.
So, um, one of the, we get a lot
of feedback from big customersthat are using it as part
of their everyday workflows,uh, for that, um, project,
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project repository functionality.
And, uh, one of those things
that we had in the past wasif I couldn't edit it in my
local session, um, meaningit wouldn't be marked
and checked, I had to go and check in
and edit it on the server.
And when I did that, that caused a lot
of havoc for the other users.
Uh, so in version 19, weintroduced a little, uh, um,
(21:15):
better way to handlethat, where I take kind
of an exclusive multi-user modewhen I wanna modify hardware
or other things thataren't part of that, um,
local session editing feature.
And you'll, you'll geta little air indicator
edit this in the local session,
and now you can check itout into exclusive mode
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and, um, fundamentally managethat server project better,
and then all the other usershave a better working together.
So this is another oneof those things that kind
of evolves based on ourcustomer problems or headaches
and, um, kind of respondingto that to kind of, uh,
make things more, more efficient
for them in the, in the long run.
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Uh, PLC SIM advanced, um,PLC sim, uh, in version
18 or version 17, I thin,
but we kind of rolledthose two little, uh,
user interfaces into one, uh,
more modern looking user u user interface.
You can see here that, um, onthe right side, I've got the,
now the dark mode is inthe PLC some advanced
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because that was a newerdevelopment that was easier to, uh,
move it over to white, uh,light mode or dark mode.
And in this one userinterface, I'm either going
to do the traditional PLC sim,
which doesn't require alicense as included as part
of the TI portal, and it allows me
to simulate the PLC together with the HMI
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and the safety and the motion.
Um, in this version 19,now I can, um, keep up
and do the things I did before,
which was SIM tables simulatean input to a value of one
or an analog value to a value of 1500.
Um, and I could, um, do some sequences
and I could generate some events.
And then the VV 19, um, alsoincludes the PLC SIM Advance.
(23:05):
It's all rolled intothis one user interface,
and the two engines existkind of in the background.
You just switch between,
whether you're using PLC SIM included,
or whether you're checking for a license
and using PLC SIM advanced, it's,
it's all case based onthe very top selection
where you see communication mode.
And, um, you can switchbetween, uh, no license required
(23:27):
internal only, uh, PLC sim
or expand that out tothe PLC SIM advanced,
which is our virtualcommissioning tool set.
Um, but fundamentally, theobjective of PLC SIM is,
I only have one instance of PLC SIM
or PPLC SIM Advanced, uh,for my TIA, uh, framework,
and regardless of what hardwarePLCI have in my project,
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I download it into this application
and test it and simulate it.
Uh, so I'm not making anychanges to my project, uh,
changing the devices in the PLC.
The PLC SIM is the simulate anyone
of the PLCs in the controller,
- Which is nice.
And that includes the1200 too, doesn't it?
- It's, yeah, it does.Openness is just, uh,
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the real high-end programmersthat get out there
and wanna do things without,um, dragging the mouse
and clicking around t yeah, portal.
There's fundamentally awhole tool set of APIs
and tools around doing thingsto generate the program
and the application, uh,
or execute program, uh, reconfigurations,
(24:36):
uh, properly, uh, withthese external tool sets.
So, um, there's,
I think there's a lotmore functionality in V 19
that I can possibly, possibly cover,
but some of our big partnerslike, uh, uh, Copia, this is
how they do the, the thingsthat they, uh, need to do
to manage the environments that they're,
they're pulling Siemens intoto support their functions.
(24:58):
And then some of thereally high-end, uh, uh,
solution partners and, um,integrators such as our DMC
and Prism and, uh, Matt Paulson at a WC,
those guys are all fluent in taking
and making advantages ofusing T portal openness
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to make their more efficient.
Um, so it's, it kind of givesthat answer to those guys
that are really gettinginto the deep of it.
Uh, project Insight isanother tool set that kind
of evolved out ofheadquarters, where as, um, so
did some analytics onsome of the information
(25:39):
that exists in the projectfile, um, some of the data
that's in the database,
and fundamentally being ableto generate, um, some insight
into what is in that, um,configuration of that application.
Um, I haven't played with this,
but it is a free download right now.
Um, so you can see the, uh,
(26:01):
industry online supportnumber on, on, on the video
if you Google it, I, I just use Google
or one of the searchengines, um, to find Somatic
Project Insight,
and you can download thatto your local station
and basically apply a project to it
and start to see, um, someof the tools in there.
But I think this would be anice tool for, um, ensuring
(26:22):
that we understand what ourapplication is designed, um, for
and what the limitations
and, um, informationrelated to the project
before we actually deployit. So the machine,
- Yeah, some of the thingsin here, you guys for who,
those people listening things like a, a,
a diagram showing the call structure
and then another report showing the UDT DB
(26:44):
and tag dependencies,signal flow query builder.
So a lot of interesting stuffin this, uh, this one slide,
- Uh, one of our AEs application engineers
is starting to dig into it.
It's got that dark modethat those guys, the,
those folks like to see.
Um, so it's kind, it's,it's kind of cool to get in.
The other thing that's prettysignificant that the guys
(27:05):
that have, um, been workingon it have, um, linked IT
to be able to get dataout of the new generation,
um, PLCs as well.
So the controllers, so withthis new firmware 3.1, uh,
heart, uh, uh, firmwarethat's available now for most
of the, um, 15 hundreds hardware platform.
(27:26):
Not all of 'em, you have tohave the, the 18 hardware.
Uh, if you get the 3.1 firmware, um,
there's some informationthat can also be pulled
and collaborated outta the PLC
and this, this can help you debug
and troubleshoot the cyclicobs that you might have set up,
set up for safety or motion,uh, or PID and process control.
(27:47):
You can really get into someof the stuff that helps you,
um, optimize that runtimeprogram in the PLC
and understand what theinterrupts are set up for.
So those are kind of the big ticket items.
Uh, there's a lot more thingson that support, uh, website.
So the sales and delivery release, we,
we'll put that as a link.
(28:08):
Um, this has, uh, a slew
of information on all thecomponents, um, all the options.
Uh, there's a nice technical PDF,
and here you can get to thesales release information on
every one of the individualcomponents such as Start Drive,
and you can also get to a trial download,
fundamentally Nice.
(28:28):
All of the TI portalcomponents have a, uh,
install installation
and can run for about 21 days, uh,
without needing a license.
So I always like to makesure people understand that.
- That's excellent. All thelinks everyone place too.
- Yeah, they did a good jobin the last two versions
of organizing this so thatit has everything in a nice,
(28:51):
concise breakout.
Um, if things aren't quite released yet,
uh, it'll, it'll indicatehere that it's planned
and what date it's kind of available.
Um, so they've done a reallygood job on this one page and,
and you discovered last week that it's,
it's our product noteentry type right here.
(29:13):
That's what kind of getsyou to the details of,
uh, the key information.
- Yeah. So if, if anybody'sup at the SIOS site, um,
you know, there's manuals,there's uh, firmware,
there's downloads,
but new product announcementscome into product note,
and I was not following that,
so I'm gonna stop following it now.
(29:35):
- The other thing is, likeI, I'm working in TPO in the
cloud now I have myaccess, uh, for 365 days.
There's a one year license.Anybody that's interested in
that, tell him talk to, sendSean an interested an email
or send me a contact that you wanna, uh,
get started on the 365.
We'll work with you to giveyou some special pricing.
(29:57):
- Yeah, we have a host show we did on that
with John talking about that.
- Yep. What I like about itis I have all my versions, so,
uh, here on my brand newlaptop, um, I don't have to try
and install V 16 and V 17.
Um, and it also has, um, the options.
So test suite, um, energySuite, uh, CENIC plan,
(30:20):
uh, PLC, some advance,they're already all installed,
so I don't have to struggle with, um,
finding the installfiles and installing it.
The cloud has it. Uh,there's even a legacy version
that allows me to go to back to V 14.
Um, and, um, when I'm, when I'm in the 360
of 8 365 software, um,
(30:41):
I have a cloud connector, soI can actually connect, uh,
through the cloud to my localmachine, set up some secure
certificates to verify whoI am and who the cloud is
and tie it directly to my PLC.
- Yeah, that's the piece that allows you
to work in the cloud, but communicate
to the PLC in front of you,
- Correct?
Yep. Now this, this type ofapplication is for, you know,
(31:05):
lab environment.
Maybe I'm servicing, um,a farm piece of equipment
where I don't know whatsoftware's out there
and I'd rather have it in the cloud.
Um, but it's, it is not necessarily
what I would put out therefor the maintenance is in a,
in a full-fledged plantenvironment, I would still stick
with the traditional perpetual license.
(31:27):
Uh, but the t portal inthe cloud does have it
some, some value.
Like I said, anywhere I'mat, I just log in with my
user login and click up to itand, and run along with it.
- Especially for engineers
who are sitting in an office all day
or maybe remote working halfthe week, just being able
to log into their cloud license
and have everything there,whether they're at, at the office
(31:47):
or at home would be nice.
And they're not the type ofpeople who typically have
to go out in the fieldwhere there's no internet
to service the machine likethe plant people would.
So I can definitely see it
for engineering firmsbeing a big thing. Yeah,
- The thing you can wrap it in for a year
or two for extra people thatyou need to, um, get a project,
(32:07):
um, rolling and you're not paying that,
that perpetual license costassociated with buying a license
that lives forever.
So there's some advantages there.
- Yeah, too. And yeah, if you're an OEM
and you're doing a lot of Siemens work,
you can get the cloud and then, um,
or you get the subscription.
We talked about that inthat previous show too.
Um, you don't have to worryabout buying everything at,
(32:28):
at the, you know, perpetual prices. What
- I like about it's, we we're,
we're keeping the optionsopen, so yeah, stick
to the old way, they'reperpetual, no worries,
we're not taking that away at all.
Um, and then move tothese other two options
to help augment your environment.
Uh, the one thing that we dolike to see our customers do
that have that perpetuallicense is to update service so
(32:49):
that, you know, as a V 17 owner,uh, PLC, some advanced 4.0
test, suite 1.0, uh, if Ipurchase the update service, um,
it, I am, I'm on acontract that ensures that
whenever there's a release,
which has generally beenNovember of every year,
I automatically get the update.
(33:11):
So I'm not, uh, waiting to find out
that there's an updateout there and then go in
and buying an upgrade, um, Ior having to buy a new version.
Uh, if I'm on the update servicefor the different packages
that I have, they're kindof listed here, step seven,
when you see start drive safety,
multi-user, PLC, some advanced.
Um, then when the version 19,
(33:36):
uh, or the version six of thePLC some advance, for example,
releases, uh, Siemens, weautomatically send you an update
and you get the upgradelicense from your V 18 to V 19
and you get your, uh,install file to sent to you.
Uh, now what we do is, eventhough you missed the date
for the release, it was inNovember, uh, usually the cutoff
(33:59):
for the update is on the release date.
Uh, there's a graceperiod right now so that
anyone out there that haslicenses on their workspaces, uh,
that are not a V 19, um, we have until
the end of February to place an order,
uh, for that update service.
(34:19):
And now you get both,you get V 19 and V 20.
Um, so this is just a short-termoffer that will expire, uh,
fundamentally February of2024, but there's still upgrade
after that time for anyway, that,
that is ready to go to V 19.
And then version 20 we plan
for November of this year as well. 2024.
(34:40):
- Nice.- This is the eye chart of all the details
that kind of get summarizedtogether that's on that, uh,
detailed, uh, note,uh, PDF that's up there
so you can get into allthese other details.
Um, but there's a whole slewof other, um, components
that get updated at thetime that V 19 flow.
(35:02):
You know, that's the bestway to kind of dig into,
dig your problem, getresolved in step seven
or when cc there's also prettysignificant information on
the help file inside TF portal.
Um, that was kind of my synopsisfor the V 19, just to kind
of keep it short and simple.
- No, I appreciate you comingon. That was excellent.
It's good to know whatwas new and exciting
(35:23):
and, uh, latest release and,
and we're already working ourways towards, uh, V 20 here.
It's uh, January and that'scoming out in November.
So, and, uh, it's good to know about
that grace period if you,
if you don't have your smart contract,
your SUS if you grab it
before the end of February,you'll be able to, uh,
you'll be able to, you know,
slide right in there withouthaving to buy the upgrade.
So that's very cool as well.
(35:45):
Um, is, was there anythingelse you wanted to,
uh, mention while I have you,
- Anybody you know, wantsto know more, reach out
to Sean anytime Seanknows how to get hold of
- Yeah.
If you have. Yeah, if you guysare having any troubles, uh,
finding somebody at theright person at Siemens,
I'm more than happy totake, uh, the, the photo on
what you're looking forto John and his team.
They're great and they always try
(36:05):
to find the right person for you.
And, uh, with that, John,
I just wanna thank you for coming back on
the show. I really appreciate it.
- Absolutely, Sean. Anytime.- Well, I hope you enjoy
that episode and I wannathank John to tell of Siemens
for coming on the show to bring us up
to speed on Tia a portal version 19.
Now, if you did enjoy this episode,
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(36:26):
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I wanna wish you an awesome week.
And no matter what happens in the world,
let me encourage you to staycourageous and stay fearless.
(36:48):
And until next time, my friends peace.
- Welcome back to the Automation Podcast,
the world's number oneindustrial automation product
and technology show.
Thanks to you, our audience
of highly skilled automationprofessionals, thank you
for being a member of our audience,
and thank you for tuningback in this week.
Now, if you're new to the show,
my name is Sean Tierney fromInsights and Automation,
and each week I invite a newvendor to come on the show
(00:21):
to tell us about theirproducts and technologies.
And during their presentation,I take on the role
of the audience asking questionsI think you might have,
as well as questions I have.
And given that a quarter ofour audience doesn't watch
but listens to the show duringthe presentation, I'll try
to call attention to any visuals
that I think the listen onlyaudience will wanna know about.
(00:42):
With that said, I wanna welcomeJohn Della from Siemens back
to the show to bring us up
to speed on what's newin TIA portal version
19. John, how you doing?
- I'm doing good. Thanksfor having me back on
to do the update for the TIAportal version 19 release
that was dropped in November.
It was fundamentally the 24tharound Thanksgiving time,
(01:03):
but, um, I, I know we,
we talk a lot about totallyintegrated automation
or TI portal, um,
but it is comprised of severalcomponents within it, um, for
engineering, the PLCs,controllers, the hmis, the drives,
um, and a variety of other things.
So in this case, you know, whenwe drop, uh, TF Portal V 19,
(01:24):
it's gonna be based on step seven win cc,
those step seven component V 19.
That's the part number youorder for the PLC side.
And then the WIN cc in this case, I like
to promote the latest andgreatest stuff is gonna be known
as the one CC Unified.
Um, so those are the twoprimary topics that we will kind
of cover today as far as, um, the,
(01:46):
what was new in the release of the V 19
and what's on the roadmap, uh,in the next few months, uh,
around the automation side of it.
Uh, and again, it's a coordinated release,
so all these things come together.
The other things that comeout at the same time, uh,
as the step seven and OOCCare the options that kind
of set the f the framework.
Um, and those optionssupport these variety
(02:07):
of different tasks beyondjust program the PLC, such as
team engineering or multi-userengineering working together,
um, on one project, uh, simulation
of the P-L-C-H-M-I safety.
Um, and then virtual commissioningis tying it to other, uh,
uh, mechanical model modelingin the digital twin realm.
(02:30):
Uh, we also have, uh, components related
to version management andvalid validation, uh, such
as the VCI and the testsuite and Teamcenter Gateway.
I, I don't, I won't touchon those too much today.
Um, user management is another component
of all these things comingtogether, getting away from that,
that old school passwordthat we all have in our head.
(02:50):
I'm going toward more's a,uh, user management, uh,
where we manage you as Sean Tierney, uh,
and grant your access towhether it's PLC safety, uh,
HMI drives motion, uh,
and kind of limit what youhave, um, authority to do.
Uh, that's another topic
that's rolled into all these components.
And then of course, the othertopics I'm not gonna kind
(03:12):
of cover today is the automaticgeneration of, uh, some
of the solutions O-P-C-U-A
and Pro Diagonal are allother components around this.
Uh, just given the usersmore tool sets around
that automation engineering.
One thing that's prettysignificant, pretty consistent with
what we've done withall the versions is, uh,
even I'm working on aversion 17 with my projects
or my machine today, uh,I can't download V 19
(03:37):
and it is side-by-sideinstallation installable
on my workspace.
Uh, they actually clearedup a couple, uh, situations
with the wcc, uh,professional and ncc, advanced
or unified, um, beingsimultaneously install
and V 19 as well, which I won't cover.
We'll, we'll try to get HMIteam on here to cover some of
(03:57):
that stuff with the cc,
but from the, from the com,the basic core of the VV 19
with step seven, our objective is
that I can have multipleversions installed on my
workstation so that I can work at multiple
versions at the same time.
- Now, for the audio audience,this goes back to version 13.
SP one, the side-by-side install,
- Correct?
(04:18):
Yep. Okay. And,
and the other thingthat's pretty significant,
if I am on a software updateservice on my project,
like I said, I'm prettystable at V 17 T portal V 17,
even though if I do get theupdate, I can apply the update
and the license running asa V 19 is gonna activate all
of those versions back to V 11.
(04:39):
Uh, so that's another prettysignificant little point about
the fact that if I maintain my software,
I get the latest and greatest access.
I get the, I get the updateto update my, uh, V 11 license
and it still runs the V 11software on my computer.
- So if somebody had a V 17project they had to work on,
but they didn't own the software
(04:59):
and they bought V 19, theywould still get access to V 17
and be able to program that system.
- Correct. They just haveto install the media file
for the V 17 step sevenmm-Hmm,
and it'll run off the currentlypurchased V 19 license.
Nice. Um, and give 'emfull access to that stuff.
- Perfect. - Yeah, that's aanother significant thing.
(05:19):
If I expand my plant whereI have an install base
and I need one more license,I just buy the latest version
and then just apply it to the installation
or the image that has my V 17.
Another thing that comes up a lot of times
with customers when wedo this, a new release
of E 19 is there's new hardware.
So the PLC will havea now a, a new release
(05:41):
of a hardware platform, 3.1
and, uh, firmware 3.1,
and you won't find thatin your V 17 software.
But, um, it is compatible.
So even though I order a brand new PLCA
1512 compact CPU, um,
and I get the 3.1 firmwarethat works with the V 19,
(06:04):
you don't have to do any flash backwards
or firmware, uh, adjustments.
You just apply that hardwareto your V 17 environment
with the latest and greatest firmware
that's supported in V 17
and the hardware runsin compatibility mode.
Um, and that's a generalstandard across all
the product portfolios.
Uh, another thing that's beena kind of a feedback from some
(06:26):
of the guys over the lastcouple years as they do a lot
of engineering, the TI portal is, um,
the high res solution support.
Uh, the, the T portal,uh, software was, uh,
fundamentally released in 2010.
Um, and over the last four
or five years, there'sbeen a, a recognition
that they wanted a littlebit more higher resolution
(06:47):
capability, bigger screenfor some of those engineers
that are, um, doing aboatload of this stuff.
So that was released in the, uh, V 19, no,
no plans for dark mode.
Um, there's a lot of thingsthat have to be dealt
with if we attempted a dark mode.
And some of that has to dowith the color animations
that goes on inside the white screen
(07:07):
that we have already todaywith the color of the blocks
and the color of the animationsrelated to certain faults
that it would be pretty tedious to do
and support the dark mode.
Um, again, one of the key things
that happens when we releaseone of these, uh, versions
of the software issupport for the hardware
that we've been working on inthe, in the background, um,
(07:28):
as far as, uh, the next release of the,
uh, hardware devices.
So, um, in V 18, there wasa, a new hardware platform
for most of the controllers,
basically taking it from asingle core, uh, PLC controller,
uh, to a dual core and splittingoff that communications.
And this is just the business,the way that communications
(07:49):
and data has been driven out of the PLC
and out of the automationworld into all these other, um,
uh, digitalization topicsthat it kind of came to play
that we needed to ensurethat there was still a power
and performance for the executionof the, the program codes.
So that's in the, uh, the core one
(08:09):
of the, uh, processor.
And then we split out all
that communications pulling data out
and put that in the core tool.
Um, so this was done inV 18 in the first phase,
and now it's being introduced, uh,
in V 19 in the second phase.
And there'll be of other controllers, uh,
performance enhancements in the V 20,
which comes out later this year.
(08:30):
- Now, this is all under the hood, right?
Just like when your PC went to dual core,
you didn't have to worry about anything.
Everything's taken care of by the firmware
and you just program like normal. Yes,
- We do a lot of thingslike that under the hood.
There's a lot of thingsjust taken care of for you,
so we can focus on our automation side.
Yeah, no, absolutely. This isdefinitely taking care of us.
And again, there's all, there's,uh, backward compatibility
(08:51):
for these devices as well sothat they can be installed.
And, and I think you, and, um, Lewis
and I are set up for a tech talk on some
of the controller stuff in, uh, February.
So that'd be a good chance toget into the details of some
of the PLCs and the controllers.
Nice. Uh, of course, the VPLC is now,
um, configurable, NTF portal.
(09:12):
Uh, so here, uh, basically what it is,
is within the TI portalframework, I can go search
through the controllersand I can select the VPLC.
Uh, now the actual, um, subscription
and the package that provides the actual
virtual PLC on the edgeecosystem is another purchase
(09:34):
and requires, um,another step of enabling,
um, yourself or the customeron the industrial edge
and on the subscriptionservice on the VPLC.
And the actual VPLC is in a limited, uh,
product release where we'llsit down with the customer
and evaluate what they're gonna do
(09:54):
and make sure it's beingproperly applied in the strategy
that fits for the first steps of it.
But I mean, ultimately, if Iswitch over here to my, um,
cloud instance, you cansee here I'm running yeah,
portal in the cloud, thesame time I'm talking to you.
I can go to controllers, Ican select my S seven 1500,
(10:16):
and I can scroll down here to find, uh,
the VPLC, so I can set that up.
It's standard PLC,
like we talked about lastweek in our tech talk.
Um, but I can set that up inTI portal and drag blocks to it
and program it, um, and,
and, uh, kind of get afeel of what it looks like
inside my TIA portal framework.
Um, before we get startedinto the, uh, actual world
(10:39):
of setting up in our edge ecosystem.
The, the other thing that was,that came through pretty, um,
significantly in, um, the, uh, um,
3.1 firmware
and the, um, V 19 is that user management
and access control, uh, in,in the previous versions, V 15
to V 18 has evolved in a playproject, user management,
(11:03):
uh, tool set, and alittle bit of safety, uh,
user management came into that.
Um, but, um, again,following that, that mission
and that the objective toget away from that, that
that password that we use to,um, get into certain realms
of the, uh, access of thePLC or, um, web server
(11:24):
and other functionalityuser management is now, um,
configured inside the PLC as well.
Uh, so that, that thatfunctionality that was known
as user management accesscontrol for the engineering
and inside TI portal where I configured it
or I tied it to UMC or ourWindows domain for the users.
Now, uh, actually if weset it up properly, um,
(11:46):
the PLC actually is now,um, also capable of, uh,
ensuring that it checks who's logging in
and that they have the valid rights
and roles to do the features
and functions that are a part of that PLC.
So this is the firststep in bringing the PLC
into that user management.
And, and that's another good tech talk
(12:08):
or, um, uh, product podcast
that we could get into is the user
management access control.
Actually, if anybody's interestedin this, uh, Lewis and I
and Galen Freeman did anice little webinar, uh,
a couple years ago that'sstill online that also steps
through a really niceexample of how to set this up
and kind of configureA-A-P-L-C programmer,
(12:31):
a safety programmer, and aread-only maintenance guy.
Um, and kind of, kindof get into this, it's,
it's pretty simple stuff,but you gotta kind of know
how to get started, right?
The release of the V 19is more functionality
for our redundancy solutions and systems.
So there's a lot of guysthat are applying, um,
more robust type, um, PLCswith extended temperatures
(12:54):
and, um, uh, ex more advanced, uh,
ratings as far as the, uh,uh, the ability of the PLC to,
to, uh, uh, exist inthe environment, IP 67
and also the redundancy.
There's a, they, they push fora lot of these different, um,
implications to be configured
(13:15):
with having this redundantsystem set up there.
So that's been a anothergood, um, discussion, uh,
and dialogue during that tech talk.
Uh, one of the key thingsthat came out of, uh,
a demand from most of ourcustomers that are applying
our redundant systems is theOPC capability in the 1500.
And that was a big, um, push to get
(13:36):
that released in V 19 as well.
Inside, uh, the program structure
where we can organize our PLC blocks,
traditionally we programinside main OB one, uh,
and we kind of set up ourstructure under program blocks.
But, um, software using it,it is software units is a,
is another way to segment,um, control code into a, uh,
(13:58):
a little unit that is kindof more object oriented
with the type of functionality
that may be maybe module one is conveyor.
Module two is, uh, the robots.
And I kind of organize a lotmore structure to my breakout
of my program, and then Ican program these things
independently and download changes
to one without affecting the other.
(14:20):
Uh, so software units is kind
of evolving over the lastfew years, uh, with more
and more, uh, uh, functionality
to help the user apply this concept.
Uh, it kind of has to beplanned out in the beginning
that this is gonna be my mainline stations under a unit,
uh, fail safe can be a completelyseparate, uh, the robots,
the NP conveyors, those,
(14:40):
the tanks could all be individual ones.
Um, but in, um, in V 19, uh, our V 18,
we introduced namespace,which was an additional field
that help manage that environment.
And in, um, V 19, we introducedthe ability to define
these, um, named value data types
(15:02):
inside, um, the software unit.
So this is just anotherprogramming tool, I think called,
that's used in certainenvironments where you define, um,
text based, um,
or name value valuesinstead of using a value.
So I, here I could have apositive negative, um, as a,
as a value type.
Uh, another example is a red
light, green light, yellow light.
(15:23):
In the case that you havean error, you just, um,
generate the fact thatyou want a red light.
Um, so that's kind ofa, a standard in the IEC
and we brought that intothe software unit so
that there's more programmingpower inside of that.
And then also in V 19,we introduced the ability
to link the emotion
(15:44):
or the technology objects out
of this traditional motioncontrol side of the PLC so
that it can be integrated into,um, the software units, uh,
for kind of more better organization.
And advanced programming Trace,uh, has been part of the,
the 15 hundreds sincethe inception, basically
a version one, uh, fundamentallythat was a, uh, a trace
(16:08):
that's real and runningagainst the real main program
or the cyclical cyclical Band capturing the measurements
or the values of thetags related to the PLC.
Um, the, over the years, we've extended it
to support the abilityof combining measurements
or signals from one PLCto another PLC to a drive,
(16:29):
'cause the drive alsohas the same, uh, uh, uh,
user defined, uh, configurabletrace functionality.
Uh, but in VA team, weintroduced the ability
to do it without loading it in the PLC
and to basically, um,store it in a long term,
long term format on the actualENV engineering environment.
(16:50):
So I have the capabilitydoing a little bit more
functionality for debugtroubleshooting, uh,
than I would if I was tryingto do it inside the PLC.
Uh, as I mentioned, that waskind of fundamentally overview
of the hardware, thecontrollers, the sub seven.
Uh, here's a whole breadthof, uh, uh, additional things
that were rolled out withour WIN CC Unified, uh,
(17:13):
version 19, uh, unified hasbeen our platform for the hmis.
It basically evolved, um, ina nice transition from comfort
advanced, um, functionalityto what we wanna go
to the future, which is moreof a unified HMI approach
where I have HMI capability anywhere.
Um, some of the key things thatcame out of, uh, CC Unified,
(17:35):
uh, ver version 19 was,uh, the process diagnostics
that we've had in the pastis, is, is being able to, uh,
finalize the configuration of that
pro diag process diagnostics outta the PLC
and get access to the actual diagnostics
that we've configured inthe lateral, um, PLC code,
and actually being able to see the screens
(17:55):
or see the logic on the HMI screens.
Um, and there's a couple other things.
Um, additional family knownas the basic unified basic
panels, which are, uh,fundamentally the second generation
of our, um, basic panel.
Uh, it's, it's thatmore cost effective HMI
that you might apply to S seven 1200
(18:16):
or basic automation, uh,without the need to go into all
of the, the functionality
that exists in the unified comfort.
Uh, but basically we've,we've introduced now, uh,
two hardware platforms thatare now on this win cc unified,
um, portfolio, productportfolio for TI portal
as we go into the future.
(18:38):
- Yeah, and I don't meanthis as a gotcha question,
but do you get,
when do you get the unified basic
development software for free?
Like we used to get the basicdevelopment software free
with step seven.
- Yeah, I used to do that.So yeah, if you get started
with just the, yeah, yeah.
If you get started with the step
seven, um, that's a good point.
Um, again, fundamentally it'sall installed with step seven.
(19:01):
Um, uh, I forgot to dropthat screen in here,
but, um, the installationis, uh, when I do step seven,
I have the option of doingthe full install of the, uh,
one CCC Comfort Advance Unified together.
It's all part of the one installation.
Uh, and then I activate alicense for the component that I,
that I'm gonna use, for example,step seven professional,
(19:24):
but if I drop in a basic in there, yeah,
it's gonna be includedin the, um, step seven.
Yep. And that's thecool thing is that, um,
it's just a matter of getting the license
and there's a 21 day trialagain on all that stuff.
Mm-Hmm.
that's pretty significant,um, was rolling the unified
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engineering into our multi-user support.
So, uh, that multi-user projectserver functionality had
been part of the TI portalframework in the past,
but when we introduced Unified,
there was a slight gap from one release
to the next release in its, uh,
and it's feature set supsupporting the ability to check in
and check out changes across multi users.
(20:07):
Uh, so V 19 really broughtforward, um, that ability to work
on a project server, um, or work by myself
and check in my changes and keep track
of 'em with the project server.
And, and multi-user isprobably one of our largest
purchased options, uh, for customers
to basically set up a projectwhere more than one person
(20:30):
works together from that projectand checks in their changes
or, um, uh,
rolls out an update across theteam, uh, based on the, uh,
the version management of theproject server environment.
So, um, one of the, we get a lot
of feedback from big customersthat are using it as part
of their everyday workflows,uh, for that, um, project,
(20:52):
project repository functionality.
And, uh, one of those things
that we had in the past wasif I couldn't edit it in my
local session, um, meaningit wouldn't be marked
and checked, I had to go and check in
and edit it on the server.
And when I did that, that caused a lot
of havoc for the other users.
Uh, so in version 19, weintroduced a little, uh, um,
(21:15):
better way to handlethat, where I take kind
of an exclusive multi-user modewhen I wanna modify hardware
or other things thataren't part of that, um,
local session editing feature.
And you'll, you'll geta little air indicator
edit this in the local session,
and now you can check itout into exclusive mode
(21:36):
and, um, fundamentally managethat server project better,
and then all the other usershave a better working together.
So this is another oneof those things that kind
of evolves based on ourcustomer problems or headaches
and, um, kind of respondingto that to kind of, uh,
make things more, more efficient
for them in the, in the long run.
(21:58):
Uh, PLC SIM advanced, um,PLC sim, uh, in version
18 or version 17, I thin,
but we kind of rolledthose two little, uh,
user interfaces into one, uh,
more modern looking user u user interface.
You can see here that, um, onthe right side, I've got the,
now the dark mode is inthe PLC some advanced
(22:20):
because that was a newerdevelopment that was easier to, uh,
move it over to white, uh,light mode or dark mode.
And in this one userinterface, I'm either going
to do the traditional PLC sim,
which doesn't require alicense as included as part
of the TI portal, and it allows me
to simulate the PLC together with the HMI
(22:41):
and the safety and the motion.
Um, in this version 19,now I can, um, keep up
and do the things I did before,
which was SIM tables simulatean input to a value of one
or an analog value to a value of 1500.
Um, and I could, um, do some sequences
and I could generate some events.
And then the VV 19, um, alsoincludes the PLC SIM Advance.
(23:05):
It's all rolled intothis one user interface,
and the two engines existkind of in the background.
You just switch between,
whether you're using PLC SIM included,
or whether you're checking for a license
and using PLC SIM advanced, it's,
it's all case based onthe very top selection
where you see communication mode.
And, um, you can switchbetween, uh, no license required
(23:27):
internal only, uh, PLC sim
or expand that out tothe PLC SIM advanced,
which is our virtualcommissioning tool set.
Um, but fundamentally, theobjective of PLC SIM is,
I only have one instance of PLC SIM
or PPLC SIM Advanced, uh,for my TIA, uh, framework,
and regardless of what hardwarePLCI have in my project,
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I download it into this application
and test it and simulate it.
Uh, so I'm not making anychanges to my project, uh,
changing the devices in the PLC.
The PLC SIM is the simulate anyone
of the PLCs in the controller,
- Which is nice.
And that includes the1200 too, doesn't it?
- It's, yeah, it does.Openness is just, uh,
(24:11):
the real high-end programmersthat get out there
and wanna do things without,um, dragging the mouse
and clicking around t yeah, portal.
There's fundamentally awhole tool set of APIs
and tools around doing thingsto generate the program
and the application, uh,
or execute program, uh, reconfigurations,
(24:36):
uh, properly, uh, withthese external tool sets.
So, um, there's,
I think there's a lotmore functionality in V 19
that I can possibly, possibly cover,
but some of our big partnerslike, uh, uh, Copia, this is
how they do the, the thingsthat they, uh, need to do
to manage the environments that they're,
they're pulling Siemens intoto support their functions.
(24:58):
And then some of thereally high-end, uh, uh,
solution partners and, um,integrators such as our DMC
and Prism and, uh, Matt Paulson at a WC,
those guys are all fluent in taking
and making advantages ofusing T portal openness
(25:18):
to make their more efficient.
Um, so it's, it kind of givesthat answer to those guys
that are really gettinginto the deep of it.
Uh, project Insight isanother tool set that kind
of evolved out ofheadquarters, where as, um, so
did some analytics onsome of the information
(25:39):
that exists in the projectfile, um, some of the data
that's in the database,
and fundamentally being ableto generate, um, some insight
into what is in that, um,configuration of that application.
Um, I haven't played with this,
but it is a free download right now.
Um, so you can see the, uh,
(26:01):
industry online supportnumber on, on, on the video
if you Google it, I, I just use Google
or one of the searchengines, um, to find Somatic
Project Insight,
and you can download thatto your local station
and basically apply a project to it
and start to see, um, someof the tools in there.
But I think this would be anice tool for, um, ensuring
(26:22):
that we understand what ourapplication is designed, um, for
and what the limitations
and, um, informationrelated to the project
before we actually deployit. So the machine,
- Yeah, some of the thingsin here, you guys for who,
those people listening things like a, a,
a diagram showing the call structure
and then another report showing the UDT DB
(26:44):
and tag dependencies,signal flow query builder.
So a lot of interesting stuffin this, uh, this one slide,
- Uh, one of our AEs application engineers
is starting to dig into it.
It's got that dark modethat those guys, the,
those folks like to see.
Um, so it's kind, it's,it's kind of cool to get in.
The other thing that's prettysignificant that the guys
(27:05):
that have, um, been workingon it have, um, linked IT
to be able to get dataout of the new generation,
um, PLCs as well.
So the controllers, so withthis new firmware 3.1, uh,
heart, uh, uh, firmwarethat's available now for most
of the, um, 15 hundreds hardware platform.
(27:26):
Not all of 'em, you have tohave the, the 18 hardware.
Uh, if you get the 3.1 firmware, um,
there's some informationthat can also be pulled
and collaborated outta the PLC
and this, this can help you debug
and troubleshoot the cyclicobs that you might have set up,
set up for safety or motion,uh, or PID and process control.
(27:47):
You can really get into someof the stuff that helps you,
um, optimize that runtimeprogram in the PLC
and understand what theinterrupts are set up for.
So those are kind of the big ticket items.
Uh, there's a lot more thingson that support, uh, website.
So the sales and delivery release, we,
we'll put that as a link.
(28:08):
Um, this has, uh, a slew
of information on all thecomponents, um, all the options.
Uh, there's a nice technical PDF,
and here you can get to thesales release information on
every one of the individualcomponents such as Start Drive,
and you can also get to a trial download,
fundamentally Nice.
(28:28):
All of the TI portalcomponents have a, uh,
install installation
and can run for about 21 days, uh,
without needing a license.
So I always like to makesure people understand that.
- That's excellent. All thelinks everyone place too.
- Yeah, they did a good jobin the last two versions
of organizing this so thatit has everything in a nice,
(28:51):
concise breakout.
Um, if things aren't quite released yet,
uh, it'll, it'll indicatehere that it's planned
and what date it's kind of available.
Um, so they've done a reallygood job on this one page and,
and you discovered last week that it's,
it's our product noteentry type right here.
(29:13):
That's what kind of getsyou to the details of,
uh, the key information.
- Yeah. So if, if anybody'sup at the SIOS site, um,
you know, there's manuals,there's uh, firmware,
there's downloads,
but new product announcementscome into product note,
and I was not following that,
so I'm gonna stop following it now.
(29:35):
- The other thing is, likeI, I'm working in TPO in the
cloud now I have myaccess, uh, for 365 days.
There's a one year license.Anybody that's interested in
that, tell him talk to, sendSean an interested an email
or send me a contact that you wanna, uh,
get started on the 365.
We'll work with you to giveyou some special pricing.
(29:57):
- Yeah, we have a host show we did on that
with John talking about that.
- Yep. What I like about itis I have all my versions, so,
uh, here on my brand newlaptop, um, I don't have to try
and install V 16 and V 17.
Um, and it also has, um, the options.
So test suite, um, energySuite, uh, CENIC plan,
(30:20):
uh, PLC, some advance,they're already all installed,
so I don't have to struggle with, um,
finding the installfiles and installing it.
The cloud has it. Uh,there's even a legacy version
that allows me to go to back to V 14.
Um, and, um, when I'm, when I'm in the 360
of 8 365 software, um,
(30:41):
I have a cloud connector, soI can actually connect, uh,
through the cloud to my localmachine, set up some secure
certificates to verify whoI am and who the cloud is
and tie it directly to my PLC.
- Yeah, that's the piece that allows you
to work in the cloud, but communicate
to the PLC in front of you,
- Correct?
Yep. Now this, this type ofapplication is for, you know,
(31:05):
lab environment.
Maybe I'm servicing, um,a farm piece of equipment
where I don't know whatsoftware's out there
and I'd rather have it in the cloud.
Um, but it's, it is not necessarily
what I would put out therefor the maintenance is in a,
in a full-fledged plantenvironment, I would still stick
with the traditional perpetual license.
(31:27):
Uh, but the t portal inthe cloud does have it
some, some value.
Like I said, anywhere I'mat, I just log in with my
user login and click up to itand, and run along with it.
- Especially for engineers
who are sitting in an office all day
or maybe remote working halfthe week, just being able
to log into their cloud license
and have everything there,whether they're at, at the office
(31:47):
or at home would be nice.
And they're not the type ofpeople who typically have
to go out in the fieldwhere there's no internet
to service the machine likethe plant people would.
So I can definitely see it
for engineering firmsbeing a big thing. Yeah,
- The thing you can wrap it in for a year
or two for extra people thatyou need to, um, get a project,
(32:07):
um, rolling and you're not paying that,
that perpetual license costassociated with buying a license
that lives forever.
So there's some advantages there.
- Yeah, too. And yeah, if you're an OEM
and you're doing a lot of Siemens work,
you can get the cloud and then, um,
or you get the subscription.
We talked about that inthat previous show too.
Um, you don't have to worryabout buying everything at,
(32:28):
at the, you know, perpetual prices. What
- I like about it's, we we're,
we're keeping the optionsopen, so yeah, stick
to the old way, they'reperpetual, no worries,
we're not taking that away at all.
Um, and then move tothese other two options
to help augment your environment.
Uh, the one thing that we dolike to see our customers do
that have that perpetuallicense is to update service so
(32:49):
that, you know, as a V 17 owner,uh, PLC, some advanced 4.0
test, suite 1.0, uh, if Ipurchase the update service, um,
it, I am, I'm on acontract that ensures that
whenever there's a release,
which has generally beenNovember of every year,
I automatically get the update.
(33:11):
So I'm not, uh, waiting to find out
that there's an updateout there and then go in
and buying an upgrade, um, Ior having to buy a new version.
Uh, if I'm on the update servicefor the different packages
that I have, they're kindof listed here, step seven,
when you see start drive safety,
multi-user, PLC, some advanced.
Um, then when the version 19,
(33:36):
uh, or the version six of thePLC some advance, for example,
releases, uh, Siemens, weautomatically send you an update
and you get the upgradelicense from your V 18 to V 19
and you get your, uh,install file to sent to you.
Uh, now what we do is, eventhough you missed the date
for the release, it was inNovember, uh, usually the cutoff
(33:59):
for the update is on the release date.
Uh, there's a graceperiod right now so that
anyone out there that haslicenses on their workspaces, uh,
that are not a V 19, um, we have until
the end of February to place an order,
uh, for that update service.
(34:19):
And now you get both,you get V 19 and V 20.
Um, so this is just a short-termoffer that will expire, uh,
fundamentally February of2024, but there's still upgrade
after that time for anyway, that,
that is ready to go to V 19.
And then version 20 we plan
for November of this year as well. 2024.
(34:40):
- Nice.- This is the eye chart of all the details
that kind of get summarizedtogether that's on that, uh,
detailed, uh, note,uh, PDF that's up there
so you can get into allthese other details.
Um, but there's a whole slewof other, um, components
that get updated at thetime that V 19 flow.
(35:02):
You know, that's the bestway to kind of dig into,
dig your problem, getresolved in step seven
or when cc there's also prettysignificant information on
the help file inside TF portal.
Um, that was kind of my synopsisfor the V 19, just to kind
of keep it short and simple.
- No, I appreciate you comingon. That was excellent.
It's good to know whatwas new and exciting
(35:23):
and, uh, latest release and,
and we're already working ourways towards, uh, V 20 here.
It's uh, January and that'scoming out in November.
So, and, uh, it's good to know about
that grace period if you,
if you don't have your smart contract,
your SUS if you grab it
before the end of February,you'll be able to, uh,
you'll be able to, you know,
slide right in there withouthaving to buy the upgrade.
So that's very cool as well.
(35:45):
Um, is, was there anythingelse you wanted to,
uh, mention while I have you,
- Anybody you know, wantsto know more, reach out
to Sean anytime Seanknows how to get hold of
- Yeah.
If you have. Yeah, if you guysare having any troubles, uh,
finding somebody at theright person at Siemens,
I'm more than happy totake, uh, the, the photo on
what you're looking forto John and his team.
They're great and they always try
(36:05):
to find the right person for you.
And, uh, with that, John,
I just wanna thank you for coming back on
the show. I really appreciate it.
- Absolutely, Sean. Anytime.- Well, I hope you enjoy
that episode and I wannathank John to tell of Siemens
for coming on the show to bring us up
to speed on Tia a portal version 19.
Now, if you did enjoy this episode,
please consider giving us a, like a sub
and a sheer that is the fuel
(36:26):
that keeps this show on the air.
And if you wanna follow meor get in touch, you can do
so over@automation.locals.com.
You'll also find all my training classes,
including my trainingcosts on the S 7 1200 1500
over@theautomationschool.com.
With that said, I wannathank you all for watching.
I wanna wish you an awesome week.
And no matter what happens in the world,
let me encourage you to staycourageous and stay fearless.
(36:48):
And until next time, my friends peace.
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