April 19, 2025 • 61 mins
In this episode, Jack and Cris sit down to discuss whether America really is a Christian Nation. (Surprise—it's not.)
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Intro Music (00:00):
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So we have kind of a revisitepisode for you today.
This one was one of our fabledfirst six episodes from the Ave
Satanas podcast 1.0.
Here with me today to talkabout it is my friend and yours,
the Grand Inquisitor of theFree Society Satanist, chris.
(01:36):
What's going on, man?
Cris (01:37):
It's going pretty good.
Man, I've been pretty slow overhere.
I've been taking the day offand kind of getting this script
that we have edited with somenewer information, newer
thoughts, so I'm excited torecord this one.
Like you said, one of the firstsix episodes of the first
version of this podcast was this, and I really, really enjoyed
(02:03):
it and I wanted to revisit itand maybe we can expand on some
of the ideas and talking pointsthat we had previously for our
listeners who may have caught itthe first time around.
Jack Violently (02:17):
And yeah, if six pages of script isn't enough
information for you, I don'tknow what is, but if you're
listening out there, if youcaught our 1000th download
extravaganza episode, you'llknow what today is all about.
So in the early days of thepodcast, we did a show called Is
America If America Was aChristian Nation, where we
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changed a podcast hosting.
We had to abandon the first sixepisodes.
It was probably for the best,because five of the six episodes
really didn't.
It didn't fit where we weregoing with the show, but this
one kind of did.
So we wanted to revisit it,bring it back to version 2.0 and
, given the state of thingsthat's going on in America now,
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are you ready to retackle thisimportant topic?
Cris (03:00):
Absolutely.
Jack Violently (03:01):
Absolutely.
Cris (03:03):
And you know, before we begin, I think that we should
have a definition of terms,right?
So the Merriam-Websterdictionary defines patriotism as
the following patriotism thelove or devotion to one's
country.
Okay, so that's our first termthat we are defining.
So that's our first term thatwe are defining.
The second term that we'redefining is nationalism, which
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is defined as a sense ofnational consciousness exalting
one nation above all others andplacing primary emphasis on
promotion of its cultureinterest, as opposed to those of
other natures, nations rather,or supranational groups.
Ok, that's a long definition,but I feel it's important to
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have.
And then we have our thirddefinition, or third term, which
is Christian nationalism, andthat's an ideology that seeks to
create or maintain a legalfusion of Christian religion
with a nation's character, ormaintain a legal fusion of
Christian religion with anation's character.
Advocates of Christiannationalism consider their view
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of Christianity to be theintegral part of their country's
identity and want thegovernment to promote or even
enforce that religion's positionwithin it.
Jack Violently (04:19):
God, you know it gets worse the more words you
add.
Like patriotism, I guess, isfine on its face.
It's pretty great, it's nice tobe proud of where you're from,
sure, but it just gets moredisgusting the more words you
added onto it.
It really does.
Cris (04:36):
So, all right, we got some initial thoughts on the history
of patriotism, christianity inthe US, right?
So I first look at this as thewords patriotism and nationalism
are too often confused asdirect synonyms.
This error in thinking is oftenpushed by political forces, as
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we have seen in our modern times, especially now, right, yes,
seen in our modern times,especially now.
And there's this common popularbelief among those people that
the United States of America wasfounded to be solely a
Christian nation, and I thinkwe're here today to try to put
some context on that and saythat it absolutely was not
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Negative.
Context on that and say that itabsolutely was not negative.
So one of the things that weare going to have to cross is
that recent and historical courtcases are sometimes used as
proof that this nation is aChristian nation, right?
Usually, this is done bycompletely misinterpreting what
these court cases are.
By completely misinterpretingwhat these court cases are, for
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instance, the 2022 Supreme Courtdecision Kennedy v Bremerton
School District.
That case was centered around ahigh school football coach that
was leading his players andother people in prayer after
football games, usually on the50-yard line of the football
field.
After football games, usually onlike the 50 yard line of the of
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the football field Right.
The school district had triedto negotiate with them to cease
that practice because the school, the school administration,
were fearful, fearful that itwas encroaching a little too
closely over the line of theestablishment clause of the
constitution which separateschurch and state explicitly
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right.
So basically, he said, no, I'mnot going to do that, I'm not
going to stop this.
So the school system ultimatelydid not renew his contract and
so he brought suit, claimingreligious discrimination or
something like that.
And this case made it all theway to the US Supreme Court,
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where they decided that, quotethe, the establishment clause
does not allow a government bodyto take hostile view of
religion and consideringpersonal rights under the free
speech and free exercise clauses, and that the board acted
improperly in not renewingKennedy's contract.
Okay, so if you take, if youtake that the way that these
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Christian nationalists and thesepeople that try to push the
idea that the government is aChristian government, yada, yada
yada.
You can read that ruling assaying that the government is
setting a religion right.
When in reality, it can beabsolutely argued and I believe
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was actually the intent of theSupreme Court in this that
that's just not how the lawworks, that the government
cannot place limits on religion.
I think that's what they'resaying right.
The ruling really only dealtwith the fact that these prayers
took place outside of regularhours and were taken on
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individually and not as a partof the school administration's
regular or directed practice.
Right, and while I personallyfind leading children in prayer,
especially in such a public way, distasteful, there is a
religious liberty that allowsfor that to happen.
Jack Violently (08:20):
And you had said too that it was taken place
outside of school hours and itwas individually not part of the
administration or directedpractice.
But let's say a player on theteam decided not to take part in
that prayer.
Let's say he was like nah man,you know, I'm good, I'm just
going to go back to the car orwhatever, my parents waiting on
me and he would have been lookedat not only by the coaches but
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also his other players.
Has like an outcast, oh, hedoesn't want to join us.
That could also open up, and Iknow we're speculating on this,
but you've seen it happen moreoften.
Cris (08:50):
You have you have hit upon a core aspect of that case
itself.
Yes.
So part of what made this acase to begin with was that some
players were feeling pressuredto perform something that they
didn't want to perform, and thenit went from there, from memory
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.
Of course I haven't reallydelved into the, I haven't
memorized the history of thecase, but from memory I believe
it was something like a coupleof players, and maybe parents or
something, had reported thispractice to the school
administration and then it kindof snowballed from there, right.
Jack Violently (09:31):
And I do want to let the listeners know if you
haven't picked up on thisalready by listening to other
episodes.
If this is your first one,welcome.
If not, you will know that I'mthe idiot in the room If I
picked up on this so quickly.
People who study law for aliving and people who write law
should have known that was goingto be a clause.
That was probably going tohappen.
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So I mean, a schmuck likemyself picked up on that in
about three seconds.
So I mean, what are we talkingabout here?
Cris (09:58):
yeah, and, like you know personally, when it comes to
like prayer, especially in apublic forum of any type,
regardless of if it wasn like inthis case, at a 50-yard line on
a football field or whatever Ibelieve more believers should
read Matthew 6, 6, which statesbut when you pray, go into your
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room, close the door and pray toyour Father, who is unseen.
Then your Father who sees whatis done in secret will reward
you.
That's the Bible saying.
Don't make a spectacle aboutyour praying.
Jack Violently (10:35):
And it takes away from the meaning.
It's more about look at whatwe're doing rather than let's
truly give thanks or whateverfor a good game or a bad game or
whatever it's like.
It's showmanship.
At this point, it's like we'rea good Christian team here,
rather than actually like, hey,we won something, thank you.
Cris (10:53):
So now for you.
Now we really kind of get intothe question of is America a
Christian nation?
Yeah.
Jack Violently (11:04):
So you know, colonists came here, if I
remember correctly.
Like I said, you know I'm kindof a Muppet.
I went to a year and a half ofcollege, but I do remember this.
You know, colonists came herebecause they wanted not only
political liberty but also, like, religious freedom.
They wanted the freedom and theeconomic opportunity to pray,
to do what they want, to livehow they want to live, free.
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One of the main reasons thatwe're even here was that they
wanted to get away from theChurch of England and their
religious political overreach,if I'm not mistaken.
I think that's why we're here.
Cris (11:38):
Well, yes and no right.
So it's important to mentionthat the so-called Puritans that
we're all familiar with in ourcountry's history back in the
1620s they were religiousextremists in their own right,
like they were.
Their ideas were that theChurch of England was too
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liberal.
Jack Violently (12:00):
Oh shit.
Cris (12:00):
Right, and this is extremely reductive.
There is a lot more.
You know fine points on this,but they shouldn't be lauded as
some bastion of religiousliberty seekers, right right you
know, and and this isn't tomention that, there were other
settlers, settle settlements andcolonists within north america.
Before, though, before 1620, inthe in the puritans right, pasta
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leon exploring florida as earlyas like 1513, then the spanish
had a settlement in saintaugustine by, I think, 1565, and
the english's 1607 settlementof chamestown right.
Um.
So these settlements, you know,there were absolutely
settlements that were about howmuch can we rape and pillage
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this land?
as an economic venture, but alsohow can we set up our own
ability to get away from theChurch of England and those
other government-sponsoredreligious powers Right other,
you know, government sponsoredreligious powers Right so as to
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like what the founding fathersactually said and believed?
That's where we get into a lotmore direct and also indirect,
uh, minutia of the question.
I think you know ThomasJefferson.
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For all of his failings and hehad many he wrote a letter to
the Danbury Baptist of the wholeAmerican people which declare
that their legislature shouldquote make no law respecting an
establishment of religion orprohibiting the free exercise
thereof, thus building a wall ofseparation between church and
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state.
Unquote.
That is pretty direct, right.
Jack Violently (14:07):
Yeah, not a lot of room for misinterpretation
there.
Cris (14:10):
Yeah, and this is years after the Constitution and the
Bill of Rights were ratified byCongress, right?
So, and then further, one otherpiece that we can use to say
you know, this is a direct, um,a direct piece of evidence that
the founding fathers that weknow of did not uh set this
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country up to be a Christiannation.
We can look at the treaty ofTripoli.
You know so, george Washingtonuh tapped his colleague, a man
named David Humphreys, back inMarch 30th of 1795 to negotiate
a treaty with the Barbary Powers.
Humphreys then appointed a mannamed Joel Barlow and Joseph
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Donaldson as what he calledjunior agents to forge a treaty
of peace and friendship.
What he called junior agents toforge a treaty of peace and
friendship.
Under Humphrey's authority, thetreaty was signed in Tripoli on
November 4th 1796.
And this is what you know, likeI said, more commonly became
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known as the Treaty of Tripoli,and it was later ratified
unanimously in the Senate of thefledgling US government and
signed by President John Adamson June 10th of 1797, right?
So, giving all of thatbackstory, and it does stand to
be said that this treaty waswritten all in Arabic.
Jack Violently (15:39):
So, of course there is yeah, really Well yeah.
Cris (15:42):
I mean figure the area of the world that it was in right,
yeah, never mind, yeah, reallyWell, yeah, I mean figure the
area of the world that it was in.
Jack Violently (15:46):
Yeah, never mind yeah.
Cris (15:48):
So there there has been discussion by people who were
legitimately trying to have thisdiscussion and also trying to
have the discussion in bad faiththat the translations aren't
exact.
But article 11 of that documentopens with the statement, quote
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as the government of the UnitedStates is not in any sense
founded on a Christian religion,end quote.
Boom, I don't think you canmess up that translation between
Arabic and English that muchright, sure, yes, that sounds
pretty pointed and direct, andalso short and concise too.
Jack Violently (16:29):
There's not a lot of flowery,
open-to-misinterpretationlanguage, as I would imagine.
Yeah, no.
Cris (16:37):
Yeah, and that's the thing .
If you read texts from backthen they used a lot of flowery
language, a lot of words that wejust don't simply have in our
common lexicon now.
So sometimes it can be a littledifficult to glean intent from
some documents, right?
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But that's pretty black andwhite, crystal clear, I think.
Jack Violently (17:02):
And loud.
Yes, exactly, they're notwhispering that.
That's a pointed and directstatement, sure?
Cris (17:09):
Yeah, so, like you know, as we said, like this text is
clear language right.
And this is only two decadesafter the Declaration of
Independence.
So this was during a time whenmost of the original
revolutionaries who founded thiscountry were still alive and
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active in its government.
You know so, but, yeah, there'sno better concrete evidence in
my mind as to what the intent ofthe founding fathers were in
regards to the role of religionin government here, right, so
but yeah, literally says itright there.
Jack Violently (17:52):
And to repeat article 11, as the government of
a United States of America isnot in any sense founded on the
Christian religion, bam.
Cris (18:03):
Yeah, and do you?
There was another piece Um.
There's a letter by JamesMadison Are you familiar with
that, the?
Jack Violently (18:11):
um, yeah, I believe so.
He the one, the one he wrote in1785.
Cris (18:15):
Yeah, yeah.
So uh, this was called theMemorial of Remonstrance.
Oh, I'm going to butcher thatword Remonstrance against
religious assessments.
I know I mispronounced thatword.
I am not going to go throughthis whole letter.
It is a long one.
It laid out 15 points inopposition to a bill which was
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making its way through theVirginia General Assembly which
would have in part providedgovernment-sponsored support to
Christianity, would have in partprovided government-sponsored
support to Christianity.
So basically, the bill inVirginia.
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There was a part of it thatwould have imposed a general tax
on Virginians to pay teachersof the Christian religion a
modest salary.
Wow.
So in this letter and inarguments, james Madison argued
successfully to defeat the bill,and it later helped create a
political atmosphere that sawthe passing of the Virginia
State Religious Freedom Act,which guaranteed religious
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liberty and full separation ofchurch and state, and this was
back in 1786.
Right.
Jack Violently (19:24):
Just about a year and some change after the
letter really.
So that kind of it didn't takelong, it didn't sit in the halls
of Congress, it kind of movedits way through pretty, pretty
expeditiously yeah.
Cris (19:36):
So, but I feel like I've been kind of monopolizing this
one a little bit, monopolizingthis one um a little bit.
So I want to talk a little bitabout what the actual belief
systems of some of our foundingfathers were.
Are you familiar with some ofthose?
Jack Violently (19:52):
um, you know, I knew that they were uh deist in
like varying degrees.
Uh, some of them, like wereapproaching what you could
basically even call atheism,like there were a few that
Benjamin Franklin, I think, wasan atheist, yep.
Cris (20:06):
Well, benjamin Franklin would describe himself as a
deist, but he was very much socloser to an atheist.
It was still a political andsocial landmine to say that
you're an atheist at this time,so a deist for our listeners at
that time broadly believed thatthere was a single god
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responsible for the creation ofeverything right, but also that
this deity went hands off aftercreation.
You know, you can kind of thinkof it like a watchmaker who
crafted this really fine pieceof really fine timepiece, but
once he's handed it over to itsowner he has no more control of
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it.
He doesn't want to have controlof it.
That owner now has everythingresponsible for it.
Right.
Right.
That was kind of what thedeists believed so like for this
fact, it can be well assumedthat they believe that it was
our responsibility to live goodlives and create for ourselves
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the world that we wish to live.
Right, because they were deists, they thought that it was our
responsibility to be goodstewards of this world.
Jack Violently (21:24):
And correct me if I'm wrong wasn't like isn't
America the first nation inhistory to codify that there is
no religious test for like to beelected or hold office, like
you don't have to have areligion to do so?
Cris (21:37):
Yes, I believe so, Absolutely so, like it's just so
, like it's just.
That's where we kind of getinto, like, where does this land
us in the terms of the subjectof patriotism and Satanism?
Right, because this is aSatanist podcast, we have to tie
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it back somehow, right, right?
So if we look at all thehistory of you know, is this
nation a Christian nation, whichI believe we can definitively
say that it was not, at leastinitially set up to be a
Christian nation?
Right?
And if we look at whatpatriotism is by our definition.
Jack Violently (22:35):
Can a Satanist be proud of this?
Cris (22:36):
nation in the patriotic sense, absolutely, yeah, right,
yeah, and I agree, like there'sabsolutely aspects of this
nation that we can be proud of,right, that doesn't fall and toe
the line of nationalism, thatpatriotism is a belief and a
reverence for one's country, butalso the ability to say you
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fucked up when a country fucksup, right.
You know, I'm an American.
I grew up here in the Southeastwhere you know, as you know too
, this is kind of like thebuckle of that Christian
nationalism.
You know, quote, unquote,patriot.
You know kind of kind of place.
So I grew up in this.
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But that doesn't take away fromthe fact that I am, in general,
proud to be an American, eventhough I absolutely detest,
loathe, all of the adjectives.
What's going on in the country?
Right, and I can speak my mindabout that.
Jack Violently (23:43):
And you kind of bring up a really a good point,
so to tie it back into Satanism.
So we so far, in the 23 minutesthat we have been talking,
we've given you plenty ofexamples how America is not a
Christian nation.
Let's give you one how Americais a Satanic nation.
So there is a quote that islargely misattributed to, I
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believe, Thomas Jefferson, and Idon't know if anybody really
knows who actually said it, theyjust say it was his and it's to
.
Dissent is the ultimate form ofpatriotism.
Well, what is dissent?
To speak your mind, to speakout and say, hey, I think this
is wrong, to protest.
So, and what is Satanism?
Well, we have said many timesin this show we do believe that
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Satan was the voice that spokeout to truth and power and the
voice who stood up for thetyrannized and the oppressed
Dissension.
So to dissent or to speak upagainst the wrongs, is patriotic
.
Satanism is patriotic.
So we have given you, like Isaid, I think we've debunked
four or five times now howAmerica is a Christian nation,
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but we just threw one across theplate man Like yeah like it is
okay to be a Satanist and aPatriot, or patriotic rather.
Cris (24:58):
I was going to say a Patriot, but that word kind of
in today's lens it could beargued that Satanism, america,
is fundamentally a patrioticendeavor, right, you know, even
though it's not something thatwe perhaps put too much thought
into in those terms.
You know, like you were saying,it's, being a patriot doesn't
mean that you blindly goeverywhere your country goes,
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right.
Right, being a patriot is, youknow, standing up for what you
believe is right and when yourcountry and your countrymen are
doing things that you don'tagree with, standing up to those
things Right In order to form amore perfect union.
As the founding fathers wouldsay.
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Mm-hmm, it was a patrioticendeavor for the revolutionary
war to happen, you know, I would, I would argue that then that
was speaking truth to a powerthat was standing against a
tyranny, tyrannizing force yeahso it's just yeah.
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so before we move on to our nextlittle segment, maybe we can
segue, we can talk about ourfundraiser, right, Absolutely
yeah.
So that was a.
Jack Violently (26:18):
that was a really clean segue to right,
because I think we're going tojump into money after the uh,
after the segment.
Are we not a?
A little bit A double cleansegue.
Look at that, dude, you'regetting better every show.
I welcome it with arms wideopen.
Go ahead.
Yes, did it.
Yes, got him Okay Awesome.
Cris (26:40):
So, yeah, so, like I just, we just released our quarter
one financial statement for ourfundraising effort.
If you are a part of ourdiscord, I urge you to go over
and look at that.
So this fundraiser is going tobenefit the Metro Atlanta mutual
aid fund.
Right, the Metro Atlanta mutualaid fund is a grassroots
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initiative created by communitymembers from the Metro atlanta
area who have witnessed theneeds of their neighbors and
decided to affect positivechange in the world of those
that they can help.
They primarily put theirefforts into meeting the needs
of people who are the mostvulnerable in our current
economic climate, with a focuson the people, on those people
of the bipoc community, as wellas members of the LGBT community
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, people with disabilities, theundocumented and refugee
communities.
If you want to learn more aboutthe Metro Atlanta Mutual Aid
Fund, you can go do that atwwwAtlantaMutualAidorg.
So this fundraiser we're goingto be running it through July
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30th of 2025.
And then any proceeds that aregained from this fundraiser will
be donated on or around July1st of 2025.
If you'd like to join us and seeabout if you feel led to donate
to this for us, you can findall of the information on the
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FSS fundraising channel withinour discord.
Finding our discord and ourwebsite will be in the show
notes.
We urge you to come on over andshare in the fun.
We are on discord.
Like I said, and as of rightnow, I put out our quarterly
statement on this fundraiserjust two days ago.
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We are two hundred and tendollars towards our five hundred
dollar goal for the fund forthis fundraising opportunity.
So those who have donated greatwork, thank you so very much.
Jack Violently (28:44):
And there are a couple of ways to donate.
You know, once you come on overto the Discord you can either
buy some merch 100% of theprofits of any shirts, anything
that we sell on our shirt siteswill go to that total or you can
just donate directly in the FSSfundraising channel.
There's actually a link whereyou can just donate straight to
the cause.
We do have from the last month,I think, in the shirt store.
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I still need to put over like$30 from the proceeds that were
sold last month.
So we'll be closer to 250 inthe next week or so.
But yeah, definitely we'regoing to have up until June to,
or like the end of June, toreally get as much as we can.
We're really trying to give atleast $500 or $600.
And right now we're at likejust at the beginning of $200.
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So we still have a long way togo and we definitely need your
help.
Cris (29:36):
Absolutely, absolutely.
So let's dive right back intoit with a little bit of a
shorter segment.
Yeah, is there a place forgovernment in the lives of
Satanists?
Jack Violently (29:48):
Ooh.
So here's the thing.
Okay, A lot of people.
So we are anarchistic Satanists.
That does not mean free reignand like just everybody running
amok.
There is still a structure, sonot necessarily a government,
but a structure to lives.
So I kind of believe that thereis.
Yeah.
Cris (30:08):
Yeah, like society is really just a social structure
of mutually agreed upon laws,regulations, expectations, right
?
Without such things, societymay indeed fall Sure.
Right Without those guardrails,right?
I think we can certainly allagree that murder, rape,
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genocide, assault and domesticviolence are abhorrent to our
moral and ethical code, butwithout a legal structure of
some type in place to findappropriate punishment for those
crimes, what are weindividually to do, right?
Are we?
Are we expected, then, to meetout the vigilante justice, right
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?
I do not personally advocatefor that, because there's been
so many times when vigilantejustice murdered innocent people
.
Jack Violently (31:06):
Sure, just quicker than the government.
Or murdering innocent people?
Yeah, sure, it's the fast passto murdering innocent people,
sure.
The pitchforks and the flamingtorches riding up to the house
Sure, absolutely.
Cris (31:18):
And there's this whole other conversation we could have
about the death penalty in thegovernment.
Right when if you support thedeath penalty, then you must
also have complete 100 faiththat the government never does
any mistakes yeah, and that's azero-sum game right there, dude.
Absolutely sure, yeah, so Ithink you know government of a
(31:44):
type I think absolutely couldhave a place in the lives of
Satanists.
It's just, the currentgovernment structure we have is
one that is predominated by bigcorporate interest, big
religious interest.
So it's just, it's a minefieldand it's one that is not going
(32:09):
to be broken in a day, right.
Jack Violently (32:13):
So this next segment here this one is is my
personal favorite to talk aboutbecause I believe that a lot of
people have never really thoughtabout this.
Okay, for the younger audienceand I'm saying twenties and mid
twenties, there was a time wherepeople would carry these things
in their back pockets, calledwallets, and in said wallet you
(32:33):
would have money.
You wouldn't pay with yourphone Rarely would.
You have a debit card, youwould have cash money and on
every piece of money that wehave had that you have seen in
your entire life, it has said inGod we trust.
So a lot of people think thatthat has been that way since
time immemorial and that's notthe case.
(32:54):
I think a lot of peoplelistening would be very shocked
to know that like in God wetrust only came about on every
piece of paper and coinage inlike 1956.
Cris (33:07):
Yeah, so Eisenhower signed the bill in 1956 to make in God
retrust the official nationalmotto, though the term in God
retrust can be found as far backas 1864 on some us coinage here
and there.
Yeah, yeah, but it was not likea mandated thing or anything
like that.
(33:27):
Yeahs coinage here and there.
Yeah, yeah, but it was not likea mandated thing or anything
like that.
Yeah, go ahead.
Jack Violently (33:32):
So here's the rub on that shit.
So the only reason that we havein God we trust is on our
currency is to differentiate orother ourselves from the
communism scare of the 1950s,which means that before the Cold
War we largely didn't need inGod we trust on our money.
Sure, you know the errant corncoin here and there from like
(33:54):
1864 could be found, but itwasn't until the Cold War.
And what would become mandatoryon all of our currency, which
is odd because our currentadministration loves him?
Some Russia now.
Boy, how unchristian of him Ifyou think about it.
Cris (34:15):
It's almost like he's playing a joke on patriotism and
Christianity.
Yeah.
Like and even then, like if, ifyou don't know what McCarthyism
is, go read about it.
It is some weird ass shit.
Like when you really delve intowhat drove McCarthyism.
And that was all during the 50s, in response to the Cold War,
(34:37):
in response to the Soviet Union,in response to the quote
unquote growing threat ofcommunism in America.
Right threat of communism inamerica.
Right, you had.
You had, uh, like what was it?
Senate hearings that brought ineverybody, like everyone, from
like random citizens tohollywood actors, to oppenheimer
(35:01):
was on it, oppenheimer, yeah um, he, he got caught up in some
mcc shit and kind of gotrailroaded.
There were a lot of actors inHollywood that got blackballed
from the business completelybecause of their suspected
involvement with the communistparties within America.
(35:21):
Man, it is a ride when you getdown into learning the history
of McCarthyism and how juststupid it all really was.
Jack Violently (35:32):
And really like how little it took to be called
a communist back then.
Oh yeah, this very podcastcould be.
You know, like if podcasts werea thing back then, like they
would say, oh, these people arejust speaking out against what
we think the government to be.
They are communist.
They would see that themselvesas like we would be drug up on
(35:55):
spikes long ago for manydifferent things.
But yeah, this show inparticular would be considered
that Just for speaking dissent,it's kind of still going on too.
Cris (36:07):
We've seen it happen very, very recently where a person
who was born in another country,who was here on a student visa
learning at a college, simplyprofessed support for Palestine
and all of a sudden she wasdisappeared off the street by
masked, unmarked governmentofficials.
(36:28):
Right Just trade any kind ofany kind of speech that doesn't
exalt the US government, anykind of speech that doesn't
exalt Israel, for any kind ofspeech that exalts or even
halfway supports the idea ofcommunism.
(36:48):
It's still happening.
Jack Violently (36:51):
Right.
Cris (36:53):
But it's some weird shit Like I just don't know how to
fight against it.
Jack Violently (37:03):
And it is a very let me see what.
What is Sisyphean?
Is that the guy, sisyphus, theguy who pushed the boulder up?
The hill.
Yeah, it's a very Sisyphean taskto really think about it, but
it's one that's important andneeds to be thought about.
And you know, what can oneperson do?
Not much really, when you thinkabout it.
But what can five people do?
What can 10 people do?
(37:24):
What people do?
What can 10 people do?
What can 20, a hundred?
That's when you really start.
So it's not so much what can Ido, but who can I join and link
up with and build momentum andbuild steam and kind of like
push this thing forward?
Um, and there are.
You know, there are places outthere If you can really look to
(37:44):
find them.
Um, I would like to think thatwe would be one of them, just as
a place to join withlike-minded people and find out
more information about how tojoin and fight against the
insanity that's going on in theworld now.
But yeah, that in and of itselfmay even seem like a Sisyphean
(38:06):
task, it's just where do you goto look for this stuff, you know
?
So I'm kind of rambling at thispoint now.
Yeah, I mean it it.
Cris (38:15):
It's a.
It's a.
It's a weird one to to thinkabout of like what can I do that
would affect change?
As an individual, it's that's avery hard question to answer.
You know we are, as individuals, massively outgunned by the
special interests that are ingovernment right now, especially
(38:39):
so in this, the year of ourLord, 2025, you know, uh 25.
Jack Violently (38:56):
Hopefully, if someone is listening to this
podcast in like 2030, thingshave gotten better, but I
honestly think that they will.
Ok, this may be me being aneternal optimist, but I look at
the world like you know, thosethings that used to be on
people's desk where it's justlike the balls on the string
that you just click like balls.
I think about the world likethat.
(39:19):
We are kind of on a pendulumand right now that pendulum has
kind of swung far to the right,but momentum will have to drag
it back to the center and to theleft and so on and so on
throughout the end of time.
So you had said, like you know,somebody listening in 2030, two
years after, this nightmarishhellscape should be over if
everything goes the way itshould, and yeah, things will
have returned to some sense ofnormalcy.
(39:42):
Siri, remind me in 2030 to checkand see if this is still right.
But no, I honestly believe thatthe world is on a pendulum and
right now it's a pretty fuckingcrazy place that we are.
But you really shouldn't be.
You should be scared, youshould be apprehensive, you
should be alert and aware.
Yeah.
But this isn't permanent and ifwe can really rally and we can
(40:04):
really show strength in numbersand show good ideas and show
value for what we think, I thinkwe can drive it back to a more
sane and calm part.
Yeah, I really do.
Cris (40:21):
Yeah, I try to be optimistic as well, but I'm also
the kind of person that I don'ttrust someone as far as I can
throw them.
Yeah, right, I am.
I may trust somebody that I'mimmediately around, but I'm also
(40:44):
very aware of their movements,right, and I think we almost
have to be that way right now.
I think we almost have to bethat way in our life in general,
because there's so there are somany pitfalls and traps.
All of that said, I hope.
I have hope for the future.
(41:06):
I have hope that at some pointin time we wouldn't have to have
this conversation of is Americaa Christian nation?
I have hope that at some pointin time, you know those people
who may identify as atheist orSatanist or anything other than
white straight and whitestraight, male and Christian,
(41:26):
wouldn't have to look over theirshoulder Right.
And I think we can get there.
I just think it needs to happenin a way, or it will happen in
a way, where we're all kind ofunified in our descent all kind
of unified in our movements.
Jack Violently (41:49):
And it may take somebody putting down their
descent to lift up the descentof others and go this is the one
that's truly important.
I feel like we need to fightfor this one here, or this
descent, this is the one that'smost important right now, or
else it just sounds likeeverybody yelling into the void
Well, my descent is moreimportant than your descent, and
you start eating yourself atthat point.
So not only you know likerising up, but also becoming
(42:12):
unified in what truly isimportant with that.
Cris (42:15):
Yeah, exactly yeah.
Jack Violently (42:17):
And that could be the next fight that takes 50,
60 years to do.
But you know, hopefully not.
Cris (42:22):
But yeah, I mean everything.
Nothing happens in a day.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
No, it it definitely didn'tfall in a day either.
Yeah, you know it.
Just it takes time, it takes,it takes unification of a lot of
different groups to say youknow what?
We may disagree on some smallaspects, but we're all fighting
(42:44):
towards the same thing, so let'sjust do that.
Yeah, right, um, so yeah, Ithink that kind of covered out
all of the, the scripted part ofwhat we had for it.
Um, this is we're getting intolike 42 minutes or so right now
of the episode and I don't, Idon't know, like, do you have
(43:05):
any final thoughts or anything?
Jack Violently (43:08):
No, it's such an information-dense and vast
topic to talk about.
You can really get lost in theweeds.
I feel like I covered prettymuch what I wanted to cover.
The main thing for me was youcould see it all around you,
like the money portion.
Just reach into your wallet andpull a fiver out.
That was only there since yourparents were kids.
(43:29):
So it's not like it's beenthere this whole fucking time,
like this is written in stoneand God we trust.
No, it was there to to scareAmericans from the communist
scare of the fifties.
Um, but yeah, also too, withthat, like you had said at the
beginning, a lot of the textfrom the original founding
fathers, people like ThomasJefferson with all of his
(43:52):
problems.
He really kind of got it rightonce in a while too.
So, yeah, there have been signsand signifiers this whole time
that it has never really beenthat way.
And I wonder what, because ofIn God we Trust and the money
that was there for the communistred scare of the 50s, what is
this Christian nationalism scarefor?
(44:13):
What are they trying to scareand differentiate this newly
resurgent God, guns and glory?
America was built on all three.
What are they trying to scareus from there?
Cris (44:26):
That's a difficult one to answer.
I think you know.
I think there's definitely apart of it where those people
who are pushing that agenda alsorecognize that the way to
solidify a populace's support isto give them an enemy.
Jack Violently (44:46):
Yeah, as we've said many times on the show and
like in today's world, you wouldthink, like you, you've heard a
lot.
The trans agenda and the thedrag Queens are going to inflict
our kids by reading books atthe library at story time.
And if that's the case, ifthat's really what they're
hitching their wagon to, that issuch a goofy and just dumb
(45:10):
thing to be scared and to try tolike point everybody against.
It's much less of a threat thanlike the Russians in the 50s.
Cris (45:21):
But that's that's exactly it, though.
That's why it works for thosepeople is to us who know better.
Sure, you know it is a goofything to latch a horse to.
(45:42):
Whatsoever of the history ofdrag Queens and the LGBTQ
movements in America has nopoint of reference of having
friends or family that they knowof, um, who are anything but
straight.
You know heterosexual people,um, and, but when you give them
(46:05):
an enemy and you paint it withall of these different colors,
it's going to sound scary, right, and that's the way that you
can solidify things.
The reason they may not knowthat people in their family are
anything other than straight isbecause the people in their
family who are anything otherthan straight also recognize
(46:26):
that this person is not a safeperson to tell Right.
Jack Violently (46:29):
Right, right.
So the free society Satanist weare approaching 100 members
strong worldwide.
We have members on variouscontinents and we have members
across the spectrum.
We have trans members, we havemembers of the LGBTQ community,
we have queer members, membersin the POC community, all around
(46:50):
, and I have never once heardany of them say that they have
the nuclear football.
Cris (46:55):
No.
Jack Violently (46:57):
So to scare or to use them has the point of
scare now for good, decent,moral Christians, is fucking
dumb.
None of them have the nuclearlaunch codes, buddy.
They are not going to nukefucking Iowa.
Okay, calm your shit.
Cris (47:14):
And that's the thing is the people that are actively
pushing that agenda.
They know better, yes, theyknow better, but they also
recognize that they don't haveto argue in good faith.
They are not beholden to thesame ideals that we are.
They are not they.
They have the the latitude totroll, where we take it
(47:39):
extraordinarily seriouslybecause it affects people that
we care about and they simplyjust don't care.
So that's one of the reasonsit's so fucking difficult to
argue against one of these hardright assholes you know,
especially like the leadershipor the people that have been in
it for a long time, because theyknow what they're doing.
(48:00):
It is a calculated move.
They know for an absolute factthat drag queens at reading
books in a library to a bunch ofkids are not going to turn
these kids gay Right.
Yeah, they know that for anabsolute fact.
But they have the ability to torun sideways with an argument
and make us chase them.
(48:22):
Yeah, you know, it's a weirdthing.
It's a weird thing.
Jack Violently (48:26):
And really telling people dumber than you
and having them believe itwithout blind, you know, with
just based on blind faith,looking no further into it than
what you just told them.
You have now spread that like avirus that it is and it's yeah,
and like you said, there's noother burden of proof needed
beyond.
I just told you you shouldbelieve me because I'm wearing
(48:48):
the three-piece suit.
You're the unwashed, huddledmasses in fucking North Alabama.
I'm the one in the suit, Listento me.
So yeah, I mean.
Cris (48:58):
I mean for clear evidence of all of that.
Look at all of the preachersand priests that are, you know,
pushing down the sins and thehorribleness of child molesting,
and all of that when theythemselves have been doing that
right.
They know it's wrong, butthey're leading their flock
(49:21):
blindly because their flock isgoing to believe their words
blindly.
Jack Violently (49:25):
One of my YouTube.
So I watch.
Not to brag here, not to brag,Um.
Well, I watch YouTube on my.
We have a smart TV in the house.
Bless capitalism, I fucking gota smart TV.
Anyway, I watch YouTube on my TVat the house and one of the
YouTube rabbit holes that Iconstantly look down is the law
and order, like the crime, um,YouTube channels and, like you
(49:47):
had just said, all of these,like you know these, you know
the preachers and everythinggetting involved with, like
child abuse every single week onmy algorithm.
There is another youth pastor,there is another minister, there
is another member ofcongregation who has allegations
of child abuse and child essayon them.
And really, what did thesatanic panic tell us Is that
(50:12):
the McMartin trial was largelybullshit and it was the FBI's
largest waste of money becausethey could not find a single
verified source of abuse in theentire fucking thing.
So who the real fuckingassholes here?
I think we already know that,but we are going off on a
tangent based on what thisepisode truly started out.
We're in the final stretch.
It's what we do here.
Cris (50:33):
You brought up YouTube and this is kind of off topic.
But there's this YouTubechannel that I really enjoy.
He puts out videos kind ofinfrequently but he covers a lot
of the historical aspects ofbelief systems, especially
Christian belief systems, andall of that.
The channel name is HoshelagaH-O-C-H-E-L-A-G-A.
(51:00):
Okay, Really informative videos.
There's a video that he goesinto the apocryphal books of the
Bible the books that were leftout, yeah, um, things like that.
It's some interesting stuff toget into.
He is very much so fact-driven.
He produces very good videos.
(51:22):
Go check them out.
Jack Violently (51:24):
Oh yeah, I definitely will, cause that's
right up my alley there.
Cris (51:28):
But yeah, so enough of the , enough of the tangents.
I think we can kind of wrapthis one up.
Do you have any music representrecommendations.
Jack Violently (51:43):
You know I've been in a musical the past two
weeks.
I really don't have anythingnew.
I am and I know I'm going toget some groans for you the last
episode that you and I wereboth on with Cy, we were talking
about the Ghost concert and Ikeep watching my fucking Spotify
waiting for a new song to drop.
But now I've kind of been in amusic hole.
I've been listening to Behindthe Bastards, weird Little Guys,
(52:06):
the Cool Zone Media podcast andreally just kind of digging
into my satanic multi-genreplaylist on Spotify.
I've been listening to that alot but, yeah, nothing new.
I did see Poppy once again.
One of my new favoritesrecently did a song with
(52:26):
Babymetal.
It's like her new single ortheir new collaborative single
was out From.
Cris (52:29):
Me to you Interesting.
Jack Violently (52:30):
And I've never once heard a single solitary
five seconds of baby metal.
It's the where they are, thejapanese or chinese baby metal
japanese japanese.
They are the japaneseequivalent of poppy.
It kind of like I was like cool, but yeah, I.
I saw the video today and I waslike, all right, cool, there's
(52:50):
another song she did but I saw.
Cris (52:53):
I saw a thing, uh, but rob zombie had baby metal on tour
with them and, uh, like this isa couple of years back, but I,
there was like an interview orsomething I can't remember
remember exactly what kind ofmedia I saw this at but somebody
was giving shit to Babymetaland Rob Zombie stood up and was
like nah, these people, thesechicks, go hard.
(53:18):
Fuck, yeah, you should supportthese girls, right?
And if Rob Zombie, who's beendoing it for a long time, says,
goes hard, sure you shouldlisten.
You know it's not particularlymy music.
I, you know I've heard somesongs, but I respect them for
what they do the rhythm sectionwas dope.
Jack Violently (53:39):
The riff was heavy.
I did enjoy that.
The the lyric, the vocals andthe lyrics took me out just a
tad.
Yeah, I only have a very selectmargin for very high pitched um
voices in metal.
Cris (53:53):
Yeah, for those listeners that don't know what style and
music baby metal is, think heavymetal, but with like Japanese
pop.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's, it'sthree girls, Japanese pop
singers, basically backed bymetal.
Jack Violently (54:08):
Yeah, and the riffs are dope as shit.
If they I mean yeah, I don'tknow, but to work myself out of
this corner, that was the onlything new that I have consumed
as far as, like, music and media.
Over the past two weeks I'vereally been trying to catch up
on Weird Little Guys.
Yeah, I love that podcast, Damnit.
That is a great fucking show.
Cris (54:29):
And of course, weird little guys is awesome.
Jack Violently (54:30):
Yeah, and of course behind the bastards is
always a banger um.
But yeah, I've been catching upand going back into the
catalogs of weird little guysI've been.
Cris (54:40):
I I haven't really been listening to a whole lot of
newer music recently.
Um, I've been kind of goingback to like the Early 2000s A
little bit with Glassjaw.
So Lovebites and RazorbladesWas like on a On a, a repeat
playlist for me For a lot oflike early 2000 Right, I've also
(55:05):
been going through.
There's a band called Crosseswhich is Chino Moreno from
Deftones, his side project.
Jack Violently (55:13):
Okay, crosses yeah.
Cris (55:16):
Um, the, the.
Actually, if you look at it inSpotify, it's actually three
crosses, parentheses in the wordcrosses.
Um.
So if you like Deftones, checkout crosses.
Chino is really doing a lot ofDeftones, esque, stuff with that
.
Um, I've really been enjoyingit.
Jack Violently (55:35):
Three cross crosses Okay, Perfect, I get
that now Um songs like bitchesbrew option.
The epilogue Okay, perfect.
Cris (55:41):
Yeah, so if you like Deftones, you will like, you
will like crosses.
Jack Violently (55:46):
So I went.
I went to Costco this morningto get my weekly provisions and
in the 90s, in like 94, 95,little jack was smoking a lot of
pot and he thought he was askateboarder and one band that
he listened to I'm talking tomyself in third person like an
asshole was 311.
If you could believe it, sharppunk and sharp punk jack loved
(56:07):
him some 311.
If you could believe it, sharpPunk Jack loved him some 311.
And I haven't thought aboutthem in 20 years.
I swear to Satan, I haven'tthought about them in two
decades.
And my Spotify recommendationsin traffic said hey, 311 has a
new album out.
And to my shock I was likelet's see what these guys have
been up to in 20 years.
They really should have stopped20 years ago.
(56:29):
Yeah, it, just it doesn'ttranslate.
Well, um, the, the, uh, and thepassion of it is now gone and I
don't know I I I had a very saddrive back from Costco to the
obvious Satana studios.
Uh, this morning just listeningto 311 going.
Damn it, guys, just knock itoff.
Cris (56:51):
Well, to lighten your mood a little bit, did you see?
There was a video going aroundat a Dropkick Murphys show
recently where Homeboy was onstage and saw somebody in a MAGA
shirt and bet him the shirt offhis back if he could prove that
the MAGA shirt was made inAmerica or China versus a a
(57:11):
dropkick Murphy shirt union made, made in America dropkick
Murphy shirt.
Jack Violently (57:15):
And he did it the best way to.
He had just enough force tocall them out to where it drew
the guy's attention.
He's like, oh shit, this thisdude's calling me out.
But it was playful enough towhere it didn't instigate it
further.
But it was playful enough towhere it didn't instigate it
further.
Yeah, he let him know whatyou're doing is fucked up.
And to that end, you know, healso gave him.
He goes give me your shirt,like you know.
Look at it Where's.
Oh, the tag says made in Chinaor made in Indonesia.
(57:38):
Give me that thing.
This is a union made Americanshirt.
You should be proud to wearthis.
He took a MAGA shirt off of aMAGA fucking loving dude and
gave him and replaced it with amuch better dropkick Murphy
shirt.
That's not the only thing he'sdone.
A couple of years back, maybefour or five, do you see him?
Kick the Nazi out of the crowdfor a Zeke Highling.
Cris (58:00):
No, I did not.
Jack Violently (58:01):
Dude Ken Casey stops the fucking show.
He saw a dude doing the ZekeHighling.
He goes Nazis have no fuckingplace at a Dropkick Murphy show.
Get that asshole out of here.
And he was threatening him.
It wasn't like that dude withthe shirt, it was very pointed.
It was like if you don't getout of here, I'm going to come
down there and get you out ofhere.
Cris (58:17):
Wow, I'll try to find the link to it.
More power to him, oh hell yeah.
Jack Violently (58:29):
Dude commercial success and they've had a lot.
Um, they really do walk it likethey talk it.
They're union men, you know,proud.
They're boston, irish, so it's,it's, it's irish americans, but
still man, proud, union people,no scabs, no line crossers,
support union products and theywalk it like they talk it so
much respect community.
Cris (58:47):
Yeah, I saw a video recently where there was a kid.
The kid must have been likeseven or so.
He was going throughchemotherapy, he was at home and
apparently his favorite bandwas dropkick.
They showed up and played acouple of songs, acoustic on
their lawn nice and did notbring along any photographers.
(59:10):
Did not bring like the videowas actually of the mother
through the window yeah of themsinging to the kid right.
Fuck yeah, man.
And like they just did it, theydidn't want any kind of
coverage of it, you know,because they're really stand-up
cool people, sure.
So our listeners go listen todropkick Murphys.
(59:30):
They are awesome, just do it.
Jack Violently (59:34):
And if you find yourself really enjoying Irish,
uh, what most commonly is calledtrad punk.
The word trad is a bitmisaligned now, but it really
just means traditional punk.
If you find yourself likingthat, come on back to the next
episode.
I'll have six more bands youshould check out.
Cris (59:50):
Hell yeah.
Jack Violently (59:50):
The Tossers from Chicago.
Cris (59:53):
Final thought on that my favorite song from Dropkick
probably not yours, butGreenfields of France.
Jack Violently (01:00:02):
Mine.
Oh God, the Dropkick Murphys.
Hold on, god, dang it Together.
We Are what we Can't Be Alone.
What song was that?
Cris (01:00:12):
Yeah, while he's looking that up, listeners.
Greenfields of France is moreof a ballad about someone who
fell in battle during World WarI.
It is a beautiful song.
You should really go check itout.
Jack Violently (01:00:25):
Which side are you on?
Cris (01:00:27):
Oh yeah, the Dropkick Murphys which side.
Jack Violently (01:00:29):
Are you on oh?
Cris (01:00:29):
yeah, which side are you on?
Jack Violently (01:00:30):
great song.
Um, but yeah, dude, we've beengoing now for a solid hour um
guys out there and gals and andpals guys, gals and non-binary
pals that's it.
Uh, thank you so much forcontinuing to listen to us to uh
wax philosophic about varioustopics.
Uh, bi-weekly we we hope you'lljoin us in two more weeks,
where topic will be yet to come.
(01:00:52):
We have no idea what the nextshow is going to be about, but
we promise we'll do our best.
Check out the show notes forall of the links that we have
sent.
Said over the course of theshow and until next time, guys,
hail Satan hail thyself.
Cris (01:01:07):
Hell you.
This is where the devil dies.
Satan, Satan, Satan, our lordand master.
Satan, satan, satan , our Lord and Master.
I acknowledge thee as my Godand Prince.
I promise to serve and obeythee as long as I shall live.
I renounce the other God andall the saints.
Don't listen to them.
Don't listen to them.
Jack Violently (00:29):
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So we have kind of a revisitepisode for you today.
This one was one of our fabledfirst six episodes from the Ave
Satanas podcast 1.0.
Here with me today to talkabout it is my friend and yours,
the Grand Inquisitor of theFree Society Satanist, chris.
(01:36):
What's going on, man?
Cris (01:37):
It's going pretty good.
Man, I've been pretty slow overhere.
I've been taking the day offand kind of getting this script
that we have edited with somenewer information, newer
thoughts, so I'm excited torecord this one.
Like you said, one of the firstsix episodes of the first
version of this podcast was this, and I really, really enjoyed
(02:03):
it and I wanted to revisit itand maybe we can expand on some
of the ideas and talking pointsthat we had previously for our
listeners who may have caught itthe first time around.
Jack Violently (02:17):
And yeah, if six pages of script isn't enough
information for you, I don'tknow what is, but if you're
listening out there, if youcaught our 1000th download
extravaganza episode, you'llknow what today is all about.
So in the early days of thepodcast, we did a show called Is
America If America Was aChristian Nation, where we
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changed a podcast hosting.
We had to abandon the first sixepisodes.
It was probably for the best,because five of the six episodes
really didn't.
It didn't fit where we weregoing with the show, but this
one kind of did.
So we wanted to revisit it,bring it back to version 2.0 and
, given the state of thingsthat's going on in America now,
(02:57):
are you ready to retackle thisimportant topic?
Cris (03:00):
Absolutely.
Jack Violently (03:01):
Absolutely.
Cris (03:03):
And you know, before we begin, I think that we should
have a definition of terms,right?
So the Merriam-Websterdictionary defines patriotism as
the following patriotism thelove or devotion to one's
country.
Okay, so that's our first termthat we are defining.
So that's our first term thatwe are defining.
The second term that we'redefining is nationalism, which
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is defined as a sense ofnational consciousness exalting
one nation above all others andplacing primary emphasis on
promotion of its cultureinterest, as opposed to those of
other natures, nations rather,or supranational groups.
Ok, that's a long definition,but I feel it's important to
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have.
And then we have our thirddefinition, or third term, which
is Christian nationalism, andthat's an ideology that seeks to
create or maintain a legalfusion of Christian religion
with a nation's character, ormaintain a legal fusion of
Christian religion with anation's character.
Advocates of Christiannationalism consider their view
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of Christianity to be theintegral part of their country's
identity and want thegovernment to promote or even
enforce that religion's positionwithin it.
Jack Violently (04:19):
God, you know it gets worse the more words you
add.
Like patriotism, I guess, isfine on its face.
It's pretty great, it's nice tobe proud of where you're from,
sure, but it just gets moredisgusting the more words you
added onto it.
It really does.
Cris (04:36):
So, all right, we got some initial thoughts on the history
of patriotism, christianity inthe US, right?
So I first look at this as thewords patriotism and nationalism
are too often confused asdirect synonyms.
This error in thinking is oftenpushed by political forces, as
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we have seen in our modern times, especially now, right, yes,
seen in our modern times,especially now.
And there's this common popularbelief among those people that
the United States of America wasfounded to be solely a
Christian nation, and I thinkwe're here today to try to put
some context on that and saythat it absolutely was not
(05:24):
Negative.
Context on that and say that itabsolutely was not negative.
So one of the things that weare going to have to cross is
that recent and historical courtcases are sometimes used as
proof that this nation is aChristian nation, right?
Usually, this is done bycompletely misinterpreting what
these court cases are.
By completely misinterpretingwhat these court cases are, for
(05:45):
instance, the 2022 Supreme Courtdecision Kennedy v Bremerton
School District.
That case was centered around ahigh school football coach that
was leading his players andother people in prayer after
football games, usually on the50-yard line of the football
field.
After football games, usually onlike the 50 yard line of the of
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the football field Right.
The school district had triedto negotiate with them to cease
that practice because the school, the school administration,
were fearful, fearful that itwas encroaching a little too
closely over the line of theestablishment clause of the
constitution which separateschurch and state explicitly
(06:27):
right.
So basically, he said, no, I'mnot going to do that, I'm not
going to stop this.
So the school system ultimatelydid not renew his contract and
so he brought suit, claimingreligious discrimination or
something like that.
And this case made it all theway to the US Supreme Court,
(06:50):
where they decided that, quotethe, the establishment clause
does not allow a government bodyto take hostile view of
religion and consideringpersonal rights under the free
speech and free exercise clauses, and that the board acted
improperly in not renewingKennedy's contract.
Okay, so if you take, if youtake that the way that these
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Christian nationalists and thesepeople that try to push the
idea that the government is aChristian government, yada, yada
yada.
You can read that ruling assaying that the government is
setting a religion right.
When in reality, it can beabsolutely argued and I believe
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was actually the intent of theSupreme Court in this that
that's just not how the lawworks, that the government
cannot place limits on religion.
I think that's what they'resaying right.
The ruling really only dealtwith the fact that these prayers
took place outside of regularhours and were taken on
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individually and not as a partof the school administration's
regular or directed practice.
Right, and while I personallyfind leading children in prayer,
especially in such a public way, distasteful, there is a
religious liberty that allowsfor that to happen.
Jack Violently (08:20):
And you had said too that it was taken place
outside of school hours and itwas individually not part of the
administration or directedpractice.
But let's say a player on theteam decided not to take part in
that prayer.
Let's say he was like nah man,you know, I'm good, I'm just
going to go back to the car orwhatever, my parents waiting on
me and he would have been lookedat not only by the coaches but
(08:41):
also his other players.
Has like an outcast, oh, hedoesn't want to join us.
That could also open up, and Iknow we're speculating on this,
but you've seen it happen moreoften.
Cris (08:50):
You have you have hit upon a core aspect of that case
itself.
Yes.
So part of what made this acase to begin with was that some
players were feeling pressuredto perform something that they
didn't want to perform, and thenit went from there, from memory
(09:10):
.
Of course I haven't reallydelved into the, I haven't
memorized the history of thecase, but from memory I believe
it was something like a coupleof players, and maybe parents or
something, had reported thispractice to the school
administration and then it kindof snowballed from there, right.
Jack Violently (09:31):
And I do want to let the listeners know if you
haven't picked up on thisalready by listening to other
episodes.
If this is your first one,welcome.
If not, you will know that I'mthe idiot in the room If I
picked up on this so quickly.
People who study law for aliving and people who write law
should have known that was goingto be a clause.
That was probably going tohappen.
(09:51):
So I mean, a schmuck likemyself picked up on that in
about three seconds.
So I mean, what are we talkingabout here?
Cris (09:58):
yeah, and, like you know personally, when it comes to
like prayer, especially in apublic forum of any type,
regardless of if it wasn like inthis case, at a 50-yard line on
a football field or whatever Ibelieve more believers should
read Matthew 6, 6, which statesbut when you pray, go into your
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room, close the door and pray toyour Father, who is unseen.
Then your Father who sees whatis done in secret will reward
you.
That's the Bible saying.
Don't make a spectacle aboutyour praying.
Jack Violently (10:35):
And it takes away from the meaning.
It's more about look at whatwe're doing rather than let's
truly give thanks or whateverfor a good game or a bad game or
whatever it's like.
It's showmanship.
At this point, it's like we'rea good Christian team here,
rather than actually like, hey,we won something, thank you.
Cris (10:53):
So now for you.
Now we really kind of get intothe question of is America a
Christian nation?
Yeah.
Jack Violently (11:04):
So you know, colonists came here, if I
remember correctly.
Like I said, you know I'm kindof a Muppet.
I went to a year and a half ofcollege, but I do remember this.
You know, colonists came herebecause they wanted not only
political liberty but also, like, religious freedom.
They wanted the freedom and theeconomic opportunity to pray,
to do what they want, to livehow they want to live, free.
(11:27):
One of the main reasons thatwe're even here was that they
wanted to get away from theChurch of England and their
religious political overreach,if I'm not mistaken.
I think that's why we're here.
Cris (11:38):
Well, yes and no right.
So it's important to mentionthat the so-called Puritans that
we're all familiar with in ourcountry's history back in the
1620s they were religiousextremists in their own right,
like they were.
Their ideas were that theChurch of England was too
(11:58):
liberal.
Jack Violently (12:00):
Oh shit.
Cris (12:00):
Right, and this is extremely reductive.
There is a lot more.
You know fine points on this,but they shouldn't be lauded as
some bastion of religiousliberty seekers, right right you
know, and and this isn't tomention that, there were other
settlers, settle settlements andcolonists within north america.
Before, though, before 1620, inthe in the puritans right, pasta
(12:23):
leon exploring florida as earlyas like 1513, then the spanish
had a settlement in saintaugustine by, I think, 1565, and
the english's 1607 settlementof chamestown right.
Um.
So these settlements, you know,there were absolutely
settlements that were about howmuch can we rape and pillage
(12:47):
this land?
as an economic venture, but alsohow can we set up our own
ability to get away from theChurch of England and those
other government-sponsoredreligious powers Right other,
you know, government sponsoredreligious powers Right so as to
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like what the founding fathersactually said and believed?
That's where we get into a lotmore direct and also indirect,
uh, minutia of the question.
I think you know ThomasJefferson.
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For all of his failings and hehad many he wrote a letter to
the Danbury Baptist of the wholeAmerican people which declare
that their legislature shouldquote make no law respecting an
establishment of religion orprohibiting the free exercise
thereof, thus building a wall ofseparation between church and
(14:02):
state.
Unquote.
That is pretty direct, right.
Jack Violently (14:07):
Yeah, not a lot of room for misinterpretation
there.
Cris (14:10):
Yeah, and this is years after the Constitution and the
Bill of Rights were ratified byCongress, right?
So, and then further, one otherpiece that we can use to say
you know, this is a direct, um,a direct piece of evidence that
the founding fathers that weknow of did not uh set this
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country up to be a Christiannation.
We can look at the treaty ofTripoli.
You know so, george Washingtonuh tapped his colleague, a man
named David Humphreys, back inMarch 30th of 1795 to negotiate
a treaty with the Barbary Powers.
Humphreys then appointed a mannamed Joel Barlow and Joseph
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Donaldson as what he calledjunior agents to forge a treaty
of peace and friendship.
What he called junior agents toforge a treaty of peace and
friendship.
Under Humphrey's authority, thetreaty was signed in Tripoli on
November 4th 1796.
And this is what you know, likeI said, more commonly became
(15:18):
known as the Treaty of Tripoli,and it was later ratified
unanimously in the Senate of thefledgling US government and
signed by President John Adamson June 10th of 1797, right?
So, giving all of thatbackstory, and it does stand to
be said that this treaty waswritten all in Arabic.
Jack Violently (15:39):
So, of course there is yeah, really Well yeah.
Cris (15:42):
I mean figure the area of the world that it was in right,
yeah, never mind, yeah, reallyWell, yeah, I mean figure the
area of the world that it was in.
Jack Violently (15:46):
Yeah, never mind yeah.
Cris (15:48):
So there there has been discussion by people who were
legitimately trying to have thisdiscussion and also trying to
have the discussion in bad faiththat the translations aren't
exact.
But article 11 of that documentopens with the statement, quote
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as the government of the UnitedStates is not in any sense
founded on a Christian religion,end quote.
Boom, I don't think you canmess up that translation between
Arabic and English that muchright, sure, yes, that sounds
pretty pointed and direct, andalso short and concise too.
Jack Violently (16:29):
There's not a lot of flowery,
open-to-misinterpretationlanguage, as I would imagine.
Yeah, no.
Cris (16:37):
Yeah, and that's the thing .
If you read texts from backthen they used a lot of flowery
language, a lot of words that wejust don't simply have in our
common lexicon now.
So sometimes it can be a littledifficult to glean intent from
some documents, right?
(16:58):
But that's pretty black andwhite, crystal clear, I think.
Jack Violently (17:02):
And loud.
Yes, exactly, they're notwhispering that.
That's a pointed and directstatement, sure?
Cris (17:09):
Yeah, so, like you know, as we said, like this text is
clear language right.
And this is only two decadesafter the Declaration of
Independence.
So this was during a time whenmost of the original
revolutionaries who founded thiscountry were still alive and
(17:29):
active in its government.
You know so, but, yeah, there'sno better concrete evidence in
my mind as to what the intent ofthe founding fathers were in
regards to the role of religionin government here, right, so
but yeah, literally says itright there.
Jack Violently (17:52):
And to repeat article 11, as the government of
a United States of America isnot in any sense founded on the
Christian religion, bam.
Cris (18:03):
Yeah, and do you?
There was another piece Um.
There's a letter by JamesMadison Are you familiar with
that, the?
Jack Violently (18:11):
um, yeah, I believe so.
He the one, the one he wrote in1785.
Cris (18:15):
Yeah, yeah.
So uh, this was called theMemorial of Remonstrance.
Oh, I'm going to butcher thatword Remonstrance against
religious assessments.
I know I mispronounced thatword.
I am not going to go throughthis whole letter.
It is a long one.
It laid out 15 points inopposition to a bill which was
(18:36):
making its way through theVirginia General Assembly which
would have in part providedgovernment-sponsored support to
Christianity, would have in partprovided government-sponsored
support to Christianity.
So basically, the bill inVirginia.
(18:57):
There was a part of it thatwould have imposed a general tax
on Virginians to pay teachersof the Christian religion a
modest salary.
Wow.
So in this letter and inarguments, james Madison argued
successfully to defeat the bill,and it later helped create a
political atmosphere that sawthe passing of the Virginia
State Religious Freedom Act,which guaranteed religious
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liberty and full separation ofchurch and state, and this was
back in 1786.
Right.
Jack Violently (19:24):
Just about a year and some change after the
letter really.
So that kind of it didn't takelong, it didn't sit in the halls
of Congress, it kind of movedits way through pretty, pretty
expeditiously yeah.
Cris (19:36):
So, but I feel like I've been kind of monopolizing this
one a little bit, monopolizingthis one um a little bit.
So I want to talk a little bitabout what the actual belief
systems of some of our foundingfathers were.
Are you familiar with some ofthose?
Jack Violently (19:52):
um, you know, I knew that they were uh deist in
like varying degrees.
Uh, some of them, like wereapproaching what you could
basically even call atheism,like there were a few that
Benjamin Franklin, I think, wasan atheist, yep.
Cris (20:06):
Well, benjamin Franklin would describe himself as a
deist, but he was very much socloser to an atheist.
It was still a political andsocial landmine to say that
you're an atheist at this time,so a deist for our listeners at
that time broadly believed thatthere was a single god
(20:28):
responsible for the creation ofeverything right, but also that
this deity went hands off aftercreation.
You know, you can kind of thinkof it like a watchmaker who
crafted this really fine pieceof really fine timepiece, but
once he's handed it over to itsowner he has no more control of
(20:50):
it.
He doesn't want to have controlof it.
That owner now has everythingresponsible for it.
Right.
Right.
That was kind of what thedeists believed so like for this
fact, it can be well assumedthat they believe that it was
our responsibility to live goodlives and create for ourselves
(21:13):
the world that we wish to live.
Right, because they were deists, they thought that it was our
responsibility to be goodstewards of this world.
Jack Violently (21:24):
And correct me if I'm wrong wasn't like isn't
America the first nation inhistory to codify that there is
no religious test for like to beelected or hold office, like
you don't have to have areligion to do so?
Cris (21:37):
Yes, I believe so, Absolutely so, like it's just so
, like it's just.
That's where we kind of getinto, like, where does this land
us in the terms of the subjectof patriotism and Satanism?
Right, because this is aSatanist podcast, we have to tie
(21:58):
it back somehow, right, right?
So if we look at all thehistory of you know, is this
nation a Christian nation, whichI believe we can definitively
say that it was not, at leastinitially set up to be a
Christian nation?
Right?
And if we look at whatpatriotism is by our definition.
Jack Violently (22:35):
Can a Satanist be proud of this?
Cris (22:36):
nation in the patriotic sense, absolutely, yeah, right,
yeah, and I agree, like there'sabsolutely aspects of this
nation that we can be proud of,right, that doesn't fall and toe
the line of nationalism, thatpatriotism is a belief and a
reverence for one's country, butalso the ability to say you
(22:58):
fucked up when a country fucksup, right.
You know, I'm an American.
I grew up here in the Southeastwhere you know, as you know too
, this is kind of like thebuckle of that Christian
nationalism.
You know, quote, unquote,patriot.
You know kind of kind of place.
So I grew up in this.
(23:20):
But that doesn't take away fromthe fact that I am, in general,
proud to be an American, eventhough I absolutely detest,
loathe, all of the adjectives.
What's going on in the country?
Right, and I can speak my mindabout that.
Jack Violently (23:43):
And you kind of bring up a really a good point,
so to tie it back into Satanism.
So we so far, in the 23 minutesthat we have been talking,
we've given you plenty ofexamples how America is not a
Christian nation.
Let's give you one how Americais a Satanic nation.
So there is a quote that islargely misattributed to, I
(24:04):
believe, Thomas Jefferson, and Idon't know if anybody really
knows who actually said it, theyjust say it was his and it's to
.
Dissent is the ultimate form ofpatriotism.
Well, what is dissent?
To speak your mind, to speakout and say, hey, I think this
is wrong, to protest.
So, and what is Satanism?
Well, we have said many timesin this show we do believe that
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Satan was the voice that spokeout to truth and power and the
voice who stood up for thetyrannized and the oppressed
Dissension.
So to dissent or to speak upagainst the wrongs, is patriotic
.
Satanism is patriotic.
So we have given you, like Isaid, I think we've debunked
four or five times now howAmerica is a Christian nation,
(24:50):
but we just threw one across theplate man Like yeah like it is
okay to be a Satanist and aPatriot, or patriotic rather.
Cris (24:58):
I was going to say a Patriot, but that word kind of
in today's lens it could beargued that Satanism, america,
is fundamentally a patrioticendeavor, right, you know, even
though it's not something thatwe perhaps put too much thought
into in those terms.
You know, like you were saying,it's, being a patriot doesn't
mean that you blindly goeverywhere your country goes,
(25:22):
right.
Right, being a patriot is, youknow, standing up for what you
believe is right and when yourcountry and your countrymen are
doing things that you don'tagree with, standing up to those
things Right In order to form amore perfect union.
As the founding fathers wouldsay.
(25:43):
Mm-hmm, it was a patrioticendeavor for the revolutionary
war to happen, you know, I would, I would argue that then that
was speaking truth to a powerthat was standing against a
tyranny, tyrannizing force yeahso it's just yeah.
(26:05):
so before we move on to our nextlittle segment, maybe we can
segue, we can talk about ourfundraiser, right, Absolutely
yeah.
So that was a.
Jack Violently (26:18):
that was a really clean segue to right,
because I think we're going tojump into money after the uh,
after the segment.
Are we not a?
A little bit A double cleansegue.
Look at that, dude, you'regetting better every show.
I welcome it with arms wideopen.
Go ahead.
Yes, did it.
Yes, got him Okay Awesome.
Cris (26:40):
So, yeah, so, like I just, we just released our quarter
one financial statement for ourfundraising effort.
If you are a part of ourdiscord, I urge you to go over
and look at that.
So this fundraiser is going tobenefit the Metro Atlanta mutual
aid fund.
Right, the Metro Atlanta mutualaid fund is a grassroots
(27:03):
initiative created by communitymembers from the Metro atlanta
area who have witnessed theneeds of their neighbors and
decided to affect positivechange in the world of those
that they can help.
They primarily put theirefforts into meeting the needs
of people who are the mostvulnerable in our current
economic climate, with a focuson the people, on those people
of the bipoc community, as wellas members of the LGBT community
(27:25):
, people with disabilities, theundocumented and refugee
communities.
If you want to learn more aboutthe Metro Atlanta Mutual Aid
Fund, you can go do that atwwwAtlantaMutualAidorg.
So this fundraiser we're goingto be running it through July
(27:46):
30th of 2025.
And then any proceeds that aregained from this fundraiser will
be donated on or around July1st of 2025.
If you'd like to join us and seeabout if you feel led to donate
to this for us, you can findall of the information on the
(28:09):
FSS fundraising channel withinour discord.
Finding our discord and ourwebsite will be in the show
notes.
We urge you to come on over andshare in the fun.
We are on discord.
Like I said, and as of rightnow, I put out our quarterly
statement on this fundraiserjust two days ago.
(28:32):
We are two hundred and tendollars towards our five hundred
dollar goal for the fund forthis fundraising opportunity.
So those who have donated greatwork, thank you so very much.
Jack Violently (28:44):
And there are a couple of ways to donate.
You know, once you come on overto the Discord you can either
buy some merch 100% of theprofits of any shirts, anything
that we sell on our shirt siteswill go to that total or you can
just donate directly in the FSSfundraising channel.
There's actually a link whereyou can just donate straight to
the cause.
We do have from the last month,I think, in the shirt store.
(29:09):
I still need to put over like$30 from the proceeds that were
sold last month.
So we'll be closer to 250 inthe next week or so.
But yeah, definitely we'regoing to have up until June to,
or like the end of June, toreally get as much as we can.
We're really trying to give atleast $500 or $600.
And right now we're at likejust at the beginning of $200.
(29:32):
So we still have a long way togo and we definitely need your
help.
Cris (29:36):
Absolutely, absolutely.
So let's dive right back intoit with a little bit of a
shorter segment.
Yeah, is there a place forgovernment in the lives of
Satanists?
Jack Violently (29:48):
Ooh.
So here's the thing.
Okay, A lot of people.
So we are anarchistic Satanists.
That does not mean free reignand like just everybody running
amok.
There is still a structure, sonot necessarily a government,
but a structure to lives.
So I kind of believe that thereis.
Yeah.
Cris (30:08):
Yeah, like society is really just a social structure
of mutually agreed upon laws,regulations, expectations, right
?
Without such things, societymay indeed fall Sure.
Right Without those guardrails,right?
I think we can certainly allagree that murder, rape,
(30:32):
genocide, assault and domesticviolence are abhorrent to our
moral and ethical code, butwithout a legal structure of
some type in place to findappropriate punishment for those
crimes, what are weindividually to do, right?
Are we?
Are we expected, then, to meetout the vigilante justice, right
(30:55):
?
I do not personally advocatefor that, because there's been
so many times when vigilantejustice murdered innocent people
.
Jack Violently (31:06):
Sure, just quicker than the government.
Or murdering innocent people?
Yeah, sure, it's the fast passto murdering innocent people,
sure.
The pitchforks and the flamingtorches riding up to the house
Sure, absolutely.
Cris (31:18):
And there's this whole other conversation we could have
about the death penalty in thegovernment.
Right when if you support thedeath penalty, then you must
also have complete 100 faiththat the government never does
any mistakes yeah, and that's azero-sum game right there, dude.
Absolutely sure, yeah, so Ithink you know government of a
(31:44):
type I think absolutely couldhave a place in the lives of
Satanists.
It's just, the currentgovernment structure we have is
one that is predominated by bigcorporate interest, big
religious interest.
So it's just, it's a minefieldand it's one that is not going
(32:09):
to be broken in a day, right.
Jack Violently (32:13):
So this next segment here this one is is my
personal favorite to talk aboutbecause I believe that a lot of
people have never really thoughtabout this.
Okay, for the younger audienceand I'm saying twenties and mid
twenties, there was a time wherepeople would carry these things
in their back pockets, calledwallets, and in said wallet you
(32:33):
would have money.
You wouldn't pay with yourphone Rarely would.
You have a debit card, youwould have cash money and on
every piece of money that wehave had that you have seen in
your entire life, it has said inGod we trust.
So a lot of people think thatthat has been that way since
time immemorial and that's notthe case.
(32:54):
I think a lot of peoplelistening would be very shocked
to know that like in God wetrust only came about on every
piece of paper and coinage inlike 1956.
Cris (33:07):
Yeah, so Eisenhower signed the bill in 1956 to make in God
retrust the official nationalmotto, though the term in God
retrust can be found as far backas 1864 on some us coinage here
and there.
Yeah, yeah, but it was not likea mandated thing or anything
like that.
(33:27):
Yeahs coinage here and there.
Yeah, yeah, but it was not likea mandated thing or anything
like that.
Yeah, go ahead.
Jack Violently (33:32):
So here's the rub on that shit.
So the only reason that we havein God we trust is on our
currency is to differentiate orother ourselves from the
communism scare of the 1950s,which means that before the Cold
War we largely didn't need inGod we trust on our money.
Sure, you know the errant corncoin here and there from like
(33:54):
1864 could be found, but itwasn't until the Cold War.
And what would become mandatoryon all of our currency, which
is odd because our currentadministration loves him?
Some Russia now.
Boy, how unchristian of him Ifyou think about it.
Cris (34:15):
It's almost like he's playing a joke on patriotism and
Christianity.
Yeah.
Like and even then, like if, ifyou don't know what McCarthyism
is, go read about it.
It is some weird ass shit.
Like when you really delve intowhat drove McCarthyism.
And that was all during the 50s, in response to the Cold War,
(34:37):
in response to the Soviet Union,in response to the quote
unquote growing threat ofcommunism in America.
Right threat of communism inamerica.
Right, you had.
You had, uh, like what was it?
Senate hearings that brought ineverybody, like everyone, from
like random citizens tohollywood actors, to oppenheimer
(35:01):
was on it, oppenheimer, yeah um, he, he got caught up in some
mcc shit and kind of gotrailroaded.
There were a lot of actors inHollywood that got blackballed
from the business completelybecause of their suspected
involvement with the communistparties within America.
(35:21):
Man, it is a ride when you getdown into learning the history
of McCarthyism and how juststupid it all really was.
Jack Violently (35:32):
And really like how little it took to be called
a communist back then.
Oh yeah, this very podcastcould be.
You know, like if podcasts werea thing back then, like they
would say, oh, these people arejust speaking out against what
we think the government to be.
They are communist.
They would see that themselvesas like we would be drug up on
(35:55):
spikes long ago for manydifferent things.
But yeah, this show inparticular would be considered
that Just for speaking dissent,it's kind of still going on too.
Cris (36:07):
We've seen it happen very, very recently where a person
who was born in another country,who was here on a student visa
learning at a college, simplyprofessed support for Palestine
and all of a sudden she wasdisappeared off the street by
masked, unmarked governmentofficials.
(36:28):
Right Just trade any kind ofany kind of speech that doesn't
exalt the US government, anykind of speech that doesn't
exalt Israel, for any kind ofspeech that exalts or even
halfway supports the idea ofcommunism.
(36:48):
It's still happening.
Jack Violently (36:51):
Right.
Cris (36:53):
But it's some weird shit Like I just don't know how to
fight against it.
Jack Violently (37:03):
And it is a very let me see what.
What is Sisyphean?
Is that the guy, sisyphus, theguy who pushed the boulder up?
The hill.
Yeah, it's a very Sisyphean taskto really think about it, but
it's one that's important andneeds to be thought about.
And you know, what can oneperson do?
Not much really, when you thinkabout it.
But what can five people do?
What can 10 people do?
(37:24):
What people do?
What can 10 people do?
What can 20, a hundred?
That's when you really start.
So it's not so much what can Ido, but who can I join and link
up with and build momentum andbuild steam and kind of like
push this thing forward?
Um, and there are.
You know, there are places outthere If you can really look to
(37:44):
find them.
Um, I would like to think thatwe would be one of them, just as
a place to join withlike-minded people and find out
more information about how tojoin and fight against the
insanity that's going on in theworld now.
But yeah, that in and of itselfmay even seem like a Sisyphean
(38:06):
task, it's just where do you goto look for this stuff, you know
?
So I'm kind of rambling at thispoint now.
Yeah, I mean it it.
Cris (38:15):
It's a.
It's a.
It's a weird one to to thinkabout of like what can I do that
would affect change?
As an individual, it's that's avery hard question to answer.
You know we are, as individuals, massively outgunned by the
special interests that are ingovernment right now, especially
(38:39):
so in this, the year of ourLord, 2025, you know, uh 25.
Jack Violently (38:56):
Hopefully, if someone is listening to this
podcast in like 2030, thingshave gotten better, but I
honestly think that they will.
Ok, this may be me being aneternal optimist, but I look at
the world like you know, thosethings that used to be on
people's desk where it's justlike the balls on the string
that you just click like balls.
I think about the world likethat.
(39:19):
We are kind of on a pendulumand right now that pendulum has
kind of swung far to the right,but momentum will have to drag
it back to the center and to theleft and so on and so on
throughout the end of time.
So you had said, like you know,somebody listening in 2030, two
years after, this nightmarishhellscape should be over if
everything goes the way itshould, and yeah, things will
have returned to some sense ofnormalcy.
(39:42):
Siri, remind me in 2030 to checkand see if this is still right.
But no, I honestly believe thatthe world is on a pendulum and
right now it's a pretty fuckingcrazy place that we are.
But you really shouldn't be.
You should be scared, youshould be apprehensive, you
should be alert and aware.
Yeah.
But this isn't permanent and ifwe can really rally and we can
(40:04):
really show strength in numbersand show good ideas and show
value for what we think, I thinkwe can drive it back to a more
sane and calm part.
Yeah, I really do.
Cris (40:21):
Yeah, I try to be optimistic as well, but I'm also
the kind of person that I don'ttrust someone as far as I can
throw them.
Yeah, right, I am.
I may trust somebody that I'mimmediately around, but I'm also
(40:44):
very aware of their movements,right, and I think we almost
have to be that way right now.
I think we almost have to bethat way in our life in general,
because there's so there are somany pitfalls and traps.
All of that said, I hope.
I have hope for the future.
(41:06):
I have hope that at some pointin time we wouldn't have to have
this conversation of is Americaa Christian nation?
I have hope that at some pointin time, you know those people
who may identify as atheist orSatanist or anything other than
white straight and whitestraight, male and Christian,
(41:26):
wouldn't have to look over theirshoulder Right.
And I think we can get there.
I just think it needs to happenin a way, or it will happen in
a way, where we're all kind ofunified in our descent all kind
of unified in our movements.
Jack Violently (41:49):
And it may take somebody putting down their
descent to lift up the descentof others and go this is the one
that's truly important.
I feel like we need to fightfor this one here, or this
descent, this is the one that'smost important right now, or
else it just sounds likeeverybody yelling into the void
Well, my descent is moreimportant than your descent, and
you start eating yourself atthat point.
So not only you know likerising up, but also becoming
(42:12):
unified in what truly isimportant with that.
Cris (42:15):
Yeah, exactly yeah.
Jack Violently (42:17):
And that could be the next fight that takes 50,
60 years to do.
But you know, hopefully not.
Cris (42:22):
But yeah, I mean everything.
Nothing happens in a day.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
No, it it definitely didn'tfall in a day either.
Yeah, you know it.
Just it takes time, it takes,it takes unification of a lot of
different groups to say youknow what?
We may disagree on some smallaspects, but we're all fighting
(42:44):
towards the same thing, so let'sjust do that.
Yeah, right, um, so yeah, Ithink that kind of covered out
all of the, the scripted part ofwhat we had for it.
Um, this is we're getting intolike 42 minutes or so right now
of the episode and I don't, Idon't know, like, do you have
(43:05):
any final thoughts or anything?
Jack Violently (43:08):
No, it's such an information-dense and vast
topic to talk about.
You can really get lost in theweeds.
I feel like I covered prettymuch what I wanted to cover.
The main thing for me was youcould see it all around you,
like the money portion.
Just reach into your wallet andpull a fiver out.
That was only there since yourparents were kids.
(43:29):
So it's not like it's beenthere this whole fucking time,
like this is written in stoneand God we trust.
No, it was there to to scareAmericans from the communist
scare of the fifties.
Um, but yeah, also too, withthat, like you had said at the
beginning, a lot of the textfrom the original founding
fathers, people like ThomasJefferson with all of his
(43:52):
problems.
He really kind of got it rightonce in a while too.
So, yeah, there have been signsand signifiers this whole time
that it has never really beenthat way.
And I wonder what, because ofIn God we Trust and the money
that was there for the communistred scare of the 50s, what is
this Christian nationalism scarefor?
(44:13):
What are they trying to scareand differentiate this newly
resurgent God, guns and glory?
America was built on all three.
What are they trying to scareus from there?
Cris (44:26):
That's a difficult one to answer.
I think you know.
I think there's definitely apart of it where those people
who are pushing that agenda alsorecognize that the way to
solidify a populace's support isto give them an enemy.
Jack Violently (44:46):
Yeah, as we've said many times on the show and
like in today's world, you wouldthink, like you, you've heard a
lot.
The trans agenda and the thedrag Queens are going to inflict
our kids by reading books atthe library at story time.
And if that's the case, ifthat's really what they're
hitching their wagon to, that issuch a goofy and just dumb
(45:10):
thing to be scared and to try tolike point everybody against.
It's much less of a threat thanlike the Russians in the 50s.
Cris (45:21):
But that's that's exactly it, though.
That's why it works for thosepeople is to us who know better.
Sure, you know it is a goofything to latch a horse to.
(45:42):
Whatsoever of the history ofdrag Queens and the LGBTQ
movements in America has nopoint of reference of having
friends or family that they knowof, um, who are anything but
straight.
You know heterosexual people,um, and, but when you give them
(46:05):
an enemy and you paint it withall of these different colors,
it's going to sound scary, right, and that's the way that you
can solidify things.
The reason they may not knowthat people in their family are
anything other than straight isbecause the people in their
family who are anything otherthan straight also recognize
(46:26):
that this person is not a safeperson to tell Right.
Jack Violently (46:29):
Right, right.
So the free society Satanist weare approaching 100 members
strong worldwide.
We have members on variouscontinents and we have members
across the spectrum.
We have trans members, we havemembers of the LGBTQ community,
we have queer members, membersin the POC community, all around
(46:50):
, and I have never once heardany of them say that they have
the nuclear football.
Cris (46:55):
No.
Jack Violently (46:57):
So to scare or to use them has the point of
scare now for good, decent,moral Christians, is fucking
dumb.
None of them have the nuclearlaunch codes, buddy.
They are not going to nukefucking Iowa.
Okay, calm your shit.
Cris (47:14):
And that's the thing is the people that are actively
pushing that agenda.
They know better, yes, theyknow better, but they also
recognize that they don't haveto argue in good faith.
They are not beholden to thesame ideals that we are.
They are not they.
They have the the latitude totroll, where we take it
(47:39):
extraordinarily seriouslybecause it affects people that
we care about and they simplyjust don't care.
So that's one of the reasonsit's so fucking difficult to
argue against one of these hardright assholes you know,
especially like the leadershipor the people that have been in
it for a long time, because theyknow what they're doing.
(48:00):
It is a calculated move.
They know for an absolute factthat drag queens at reading
books in a library to a bunch ofkids are not going to turn
these kids gay Right.
Yeah, they know that for anabsolute fact.
But they have the ability to torun sideways with an argument
and make us chase them.
(48:22):
Yeah, you know, it's a weirdthing.
It's a weird thing.
Jack Violently (48:26):
And really telling people dumber than you
and having them believe itwithout blind, you know, with
just based on blind faith,looking no further into it than
what you just told them.
You have now spread that like avirus that it is and it's yeah,
and like you said, there's noother burden of proof needed
beyond.
I just told you you shouldbelieve me because I'm wearing
(48:48):
the three-piece suit.
You're the unwashed, huddledmasses in fucking North Alabama.
I'm the one in the suit, Listento me.
So yeah, I mean.
Cris (48:58):
I mean for clear evidence of all of that.
Look at all of the preachersand priests that are, you know,
pushing down the sins and thehorribleness of child molesting,
and all of that when theythemselves have been doing that
right.
They know it's wrong, butthey're leading their flock
(49:21):
blindly because their flock isgoing to believe their words
blindly.
Jack Violently (49:25):
One of my YouTube.
So I watch.
Not to brag here, not to brag,Um.
Well, I watch YouTube on my.
We have a smart TV in the house.
Bless capitalism, I fucking gota smart TV.
Anyway, I watch YouTube on my TVat the house and one of the
YouTube rabbit holes that Iconstantly look down is the law
and order, like the crime, um,YouTube channels and, like you
(49:47):
had just said, all of these,like you know these, you know
the preachers and everythinggetting involved with, like
child abuse every single week onmy algorithm.
There is another youth pastor,there is another minister, there
is another member ofcongregation who has allegations
of child abuse and child essayon them.
And really, what did thesatanic panic tell us Is that
(50:12):
the McMartin trial was largelybullshit and it was the FBI's
largest waste of money becausethey could not find a single
verified source of abuse in theentire fucking thing.
So who the real fuckingassholes here?
I think we already know that,but we are going off on a
tangent based on what thisepisode truly started out.
We're in the final stretch.
It's what we do here.
Cris (50:33):
You brought up YouTube and this is kind of off topic.
But there's this YouTubechannel that I really enjoy.
He puts out videos kind ofinfrequently but he covers a lot
of the historical aspects ofbelief systems, especially
Christian belief systems, andall of that.
The channel name is HoshelagaH-O-C-H-E-L-A-G-A.
(51:00):
Okay, Really informative videos.
There's a video that he goesinto the apocryphal books of the
Bible the books that were leftout, yeah, um, things like that.
It's some interesting stuff toget into.
He is very much so fact-driven.
He produces very good videos.
(51:22):
Go check them out.
Jack Violently (51:24):
Oh yeah, I definitely will, cause that's
right up my alley there.
Cris (51:28):
But yeah, so enough of the , enough of the tangents.
I think we can kind of wrapthis one up.
Do you have any music representrecommendations.
Jack Violently (51:43):
You know I've been in a musical the past two
weeks.
I really don't have anythingnew.
I am and I know I'm going toget some groans for you the last
episode that you and I wereboth on with Cy, we were talking
about the Ghost concert and Ikeep watching my fucking Spotify
waiting for a new song to drop.
But now I've kind of been in amusic hole.
I've been listening to Behindthe Bastards, weird Little Guys,
(52:06):
the Cool Zone Media podcast andreally just kind of digging
into my satanic multi-genreplaylist on Spotify.
I've been listening to that alot but, yeah, nothing new.
I did see Poppy once again.
One of my new favoritesrecently did a song with
(52:26):
Babymetal.
It's like her new single ortheir new collaborative single
was out From.
Cris (52:29):
Me to you Interesting.
Jack Violently (52:30):
And I've never once heard a single solitary
five seconds of baby metal.
It's the where they are, thejapanese or chinese baby metal
japanese japanese.
They are the japaneseequivalent of poppy.
It kind of like I was like cool, but yeah, I.
I saw the video today and I waslike, all right, cool, there's
(52:50):
another song she did but I saw.
Cris (52:53):
I saw a thing, uh, but rob zombie had baby metal on tour
with them and, uh, like this isa couple of years back, but I,
there was like an interview orsomething I can't remember
remember exactly what kind ofmedia I saw this at but somebody
was giving shit to Babymetaland Rob Zombie stood up and was
like nah, these people, thesechicks, go hard.
(53:18):
Fuck, yeah, you should supportthese girls, right?
And if Rob Zombie, who's beendoing it for a long time, says,
goes hard, sure you shouldlisten.
You know it's not particularlymy music.
I, you know I've heard somesongs, but I respect them for
what they do the rhythm sectionwas dope.
Jack Violently (53:39):
The riff was heavy.
I did enjoy that.
The the lyric, the vocals andthe lyrics took me out just a
tad.
Yeah, I only have a very selectmargin for very high pitched um
voices in metal.
Cris (53:53):
Yeah, for those listeners that don't know what style and
music baby metal is, think heavymetal, but with like Japanese
pop.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's, it'sthree girls, Japanese pop
singers, basically backed bymetal.
Jack Violently (54:08):
Yeah, and the riffs are dope as shit.
If they I mean yeah, I don'tknow, but to work myself out of
this corner, that was the onlything new that I have consumed
as far as, like, music and media.
Over the past two weeks I'vereally been trying to catch up
on Weird Little Guys.
Yeah, I love that podcast, Damnit.
That is a great fucking show.
Cris (54:29):
And of course, weird little guys is awesome.
Jack Violently (54:30):
Yeah, and of course behind the bastards is
always a banger um.
But yeah, I've been catching upand going back into the
catalogs of weird little guysI've been.
Cris (54:40):
I I haven't really been listening to a whole lot of
newer music recently.
Um, I've been kind of goingback to like the Early 2000s A
little bit with Glassjaw.
So Lovebites and RazorbladesWas like on a On a, a repeat
playlist for me For a lot oflike early 2000 Right, I've also
(55:05):
been going through.
There's a band called Crosseswhich is Chino Moreno from
Deftones, his side project.
Jack Violently (55:13):
Okay, crosses yeah.
Cris (55:16):
Um, the, the.
Actually, if you look at it inSpotify, it's actually three
crosses, parentheses in the wordcrosses.
Um.
So if you like Deftones, checkout crosses.
Chino is really doing a lot ofDeftones, esque, stuff with that
.
Um, I've really been enjoyingit.
Jack Violently (55:35):
Three cross crosses Okay, Perfect, I get
that now Um songs like bitchesbrew option.
The epilogue Okay, perfect.
Cris (55:41):
Yeah, so if you like Deftones, you will like, you
will like crosses.
Jack Violently (55:46):
So I went.
I went to Costco this morningto get my weekly provisions and
in the 90s, in like 94, 95,little jack was smoking a lot of
pot and he thought he was askateboarder and one band that
he listened to I'm talking tomyself in third person like an
asshole was 311.
If you could believe it, sharppunk and sharp punk jack loved
(56:07):
him some 311.
If you could believe it, sharpPunk Jack loved him some 311.
And I haven't thought aboutthem in 20 years.
I swear to Satan, I haven'tthought about them in two
decades.
And my Spotify recommendationsin traffic said hey, 311 has a
new album out.
And to my shock I was likelet's see what these guys have
been up to in 20 years.
They really should have stopped20 years ago.
(56:29):
Yeah, it, just it doesn'ttranslate.
Well, um, the, the, uh, and thepassion of it is now gone and I
don't know I I I had a very saddrive back from Costco to the
obvious Satana studios.
Uh, this morning just listeningto 311 going.
Damn it, guys, just knock itoff.
Cris (56:51):
Well, to lighten your mood a little bit, did you see?
There was a video going aroundat a Dropkick Murphys show
recently where Homeboy was onstage and saw somebody in a MAGA
shirt and bet him the shirt offhis back if he could prove that
the MAGA shirt was made inAmerica or China versus a a
(57:11):
dropkick Murphy shirt union made, made in America dropkick
Murphy shirt.
Jack Violently (57:15):
And he did it the best way to.
He had just enough force tocall them out to where it drew
the guy's attention.
He's like, oh shit, this thisdude's calling me out.
But it was playful enough towhere it didn't instigate it
further.
But it was playful enough towhere it didn't instigate it
further.
Yeah, he let him know whatyou're doing is fucked up.
And to that end, you know, healso gave him.
He goes give me your shirt,like you know.
Look at it Where's.
Oh, the tag says made in Chinaor made in Indonesia.
(57:38):
Give me that thing.
This is a union made Americanshirt.
You should be proud to wearthis.
He took a MAGA shirt off of aMAGA fucking loving dude and
gave him and replaced it with amuch better dropkick Murphy
shirt.
That's not the only thing he'sdone.
A couple of years back, maybefour or five, do you see him?
Kick the Nazi out of the crowdfor a Zeke Highling.
Cris (58:00):
No, I did not.
Jack Violently (58:01):
Dude Ken Casey stops the fucking show.
He saw a dude doing the ZekeHighling.
He goes Nazis have no fuckingplace at a Dropkick Murphy show.
Get that asshole out of here.
And he was threatening him.
It wasn't like that dude withthe shirt, it was very pointed.
It was like if you don't getout of here, I'm going to come
down there and get you out ofhere.
Cris (58:17):
Wow, I'll try to find the link to it.
More power to him, oh hell yeah.
Jack Violently (58:29):
Dude commercial success and they've had a lot.
Um, they really do walk it likethey talk it.
They're union men, you know,proud.
They're boston, irish, so it's,it's, it's irish americans, but
still man, proud, union people,no scabs, no line crossers,
support union products and theywalk it like they talk it so
much respect community.
Cris (58:47):
Yeah, I saw a video recently where there was a kid.
The kid must have been likeseven or so.
He was going throughchemotherapy, he was at home and
apparently his favorite bandwas dropkick.
They showed up and played acouple of songs, acoustic on
their lawn nice and did notbring along any photographers.
(59:10):
Did not bring like the videowas actually of the mother
through the window yeah of themsinging to the kid right.
Fuck yeah, man.
And like they just did it, theydidn't want any kind of
coverage of it, you know,because they're really stand-up
cool people, sure.
So our listeners go listen todropkick Murphys.
(59:30):
They are awesome, just do it.
Jack Violently (59:34):
And if you find yourself really enjoying Irish,
uh, what most commonly is calledtrad punk.
The word trad is a bitmisaligned now, but it really
just means traditional punk.
If you find yourself likingthat, come on back to the next
episode.
I'll have six more bands youshould check out.
Cris (59:50):
Hell yeah.
Jack Violently (59:50):
The Tossers from Chicago.
Cris (59:53):
Final thought on that my favorite song from Dropkick
probably not yours, butGreenfields of France.
Jack Violently (01:00:02):
Mine.
Oh God, the Dropkick Murphys.
Hold on, god, dang it Together.
We Are what we Can't Be Alone.
What song was that?
Cris (01:00:12):
Yeah, while he's looking that up, listeners.
Greenfields of France is moreof a ballad about someone who
fell in battle during World WarI.
It is a beautiful song.
You should really go check itout.
Jack Violently (01:00:25):
Which side are you on?
Cris (01:00:27):
Oh yeah, the Dropkick Murphys which side.
Jack Violently (01:00:29):
Are you on oh?
Cris (01:00:29):
yeah, which side are you on?
Jack Violently (01:00:30):
great song.
Um, but yeah, dude, we've beengoing now for a solid hour um
guys out there and gals and andpals guys, gals and non-binary
pals that's it.
Uh, thank you so much forcontinuing to listen to us to uh
wax philosophic about varioustopics.
Uh, bi-weekly we we hope you'lljoin us in two more weeks,
where topic will be yet to come.
(01:00:52):
We have no idea what the nextshow is going to be about, but
we promise we'll do our best.
Check out the show notes forall of the links that we have
sent.
Said over the course of theshow and until next time, guys,
hail Satan hail thyself.
Cris (01:01:07):
Hell you.
This is where the devil dies.
Satan, Satan, Satan, our lordand master.
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