February 8, 2025 • 44 mins
I am honored to bring you an interview with Kyle Davies, a chartered psychologist, therapeutic coach, trainer, and author dedicated to helping individuals unlock their inner resilience. Kyle's unique approach integrates psychological principles with a deep understanding of the mind-body connection, recognizing the interconnectedness of physical and emotional well-being. His career journey began in management consulting before transitioning into healthcare, where he pioneered a novel treatment approach for chronic fatigue, pain syndromes, anxiety, depression, and other medically unexplained symptoms.
As an Associate Fellow of the British Psychological Society, Kyle brings a wealth of expertise. He is the author of "The Intelligent Body" (WW Norton & Co), exploring the relationship between physical sensations and emotional experiences, and the creator of Energy-Flow Coaching™, a methodology designed to help individuals tap into their innate energy.
With extensive experience working with thousands of clients, Kyle has honed his skills in guiding individuals toward lasting positive change. Beyond client work, he trains and supervises coaches and therapists, extending his impact globally.
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Music. Hi everybody, welcome.
Welcome to the Back Story podcast today.
As we've mentioned many times, one of some of the fun things
we're bringing you is we we wantto bring you some people that
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are very real, not necessarily extremely famous people or
people that have been doing thisfor eons of time.
But what I'm really interested in doing is bringing you people
that you can see yourself in andpeople that have done this and
people have been working many times, even behind the scenes
for some time. I'm very honored to bring you
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Kyle Davies today. Kyle is a magical person.
We met back in 2005, I think originally, and he has gone on
to create his own level of work.He's written a book called The
Intelligent Body. This is back in a little ways,
but it's they they work in here is absolutely incredible.
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It's talking about working with chronic fatigue, different pain
levels and really some ass fascinating parts about how he
works with the physical body himself.
He's a psychologist who's turnedinto just an incredible healer.
And I'm very honored today to bring you Kyle, Kyle Davies.
How you doing buddy? Great to see you, Steve, and
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thank you so much for having me on on the on the show today.
And hello everybody. Yeah, thank you.
And I forgot to tell you you're in, he's in Cardiff, Wales.
So he's on the other side of thepond right now.
I'm in the morning, he's in the evening.
So you know, I just flew home recently on my birthday and it
was the longest birthday I've ever had because it was 33 hours
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long with the time difference. So anyway.
Of flight. Yeah, crazy stuff.
Anyway, welcome. Today I wanted to have kind of
connect with you because you andI've been talking about doing
some work together and that is coming.
We're going to be doing some sessions on healing together.
I just love your approach. The the group has given me lots
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of ideas and different things that we try to plant seeds, but
I don't actually get to do the work the way you do.
And I'm thrilled to be able to bring this to people and kind of
share a little bit about tell us, tell us a little bit about
the work that you're doing rightnow.
So let me give you just a littlebit of history and how I got to
what I'm doing now. I'm a psychologist by trade.
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I started up my career working in organizations back kind of
whenever it was like 30 years now, when we were with people in
organizations, you were working with somebody in their role and
I was fascinated to get a littlebit deep with people.
So I went and trained in therapy, a variety of modalities
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and started a little therapy practice.
Then in the early 2000s, I, I started working with, with a
medical doctor and we focused onchronic fatigue, fibromyalgia
and those kinds of health challenges.
And we were coming from my body perspective.
And this is the early 2000s and back then, nobody was interested
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in a mind body perspective. It was right.
Even when people said, Oh yeah, I believe in the mind body
connection. When you talked about physical
symptoms and the connection withemotional stress or stress in
the body and brain, they'd say, how can you talk about physical
symptoms and relate that to stress?
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That's, you know, they're different things, aren't they?
So we've seen a huge change in that.
Obviously there's been massive interest in the last kind of
five years or so in, in in my body work.
So for a period of time I work exclusively with people with
chronic fatigue and chronic painchallenges.
Now I work with a very broad range of people.
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So what we've seen thing, I think since COVID, because we're
in the in the midst of this spiritual awakening is there's a
lot of people that come to me. They're just, they're lost.
They're doesn't combobulated. They don't know who they are.
And of course this will manifestas as anxiety, depression,
burnout, as well as the kind of fatigue and pain stuff.
So I spoke with organizations and I think organizations need
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these sorts of things more than more than ever as they're
shifting towards kind of smarterways of working.
Really, you know, the, the word resilience has become huge
within companies now because interesting stress issues and
mental health challenges are going through the roof.
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So, you know, I do that organization work and then
working with individuals. And the core of it really, Steve
is very much like, I guess the essence of what you do.
And you know, obviously you've been a huge influence of over me
and what I've done over the last20 years now is it's it's that
empowerment route. And if bringing people back to
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help them find their true self. So I think the you know, and
it's simple of the simple baseline laughter.
That's my sense of it. We're designed to flourish.
We're designed to fry. And when we can look inwards and
become empowered and see the creators we are, we can begin to
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flour. You know, it's that idea that we
don't quite realized the obstacles we put in our own way.
So it's it's taking people through this journey of seeing
themselves as victims of circumstance.
Life is happening to me through to well, life presents the with
an opportunity through to I am part of that flow of love and I
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can influence that flow and I and become one with it.
So yeah, it's, I guess for the most part, sitting under ones
wouldn't work. And I, I am appealing more to
those with either chronic fatigue or chronic pain
problems, anxiety and depression.
But you know, I get all sorts ofpeople that come, as they say,
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lots of people these days feel very lost, stuck, overwhelmed
and, and looking for something. And for me, obviously that's
this, this there are opportunities in all of those
things, chances for us to see ourselves in the world in a new
way and and grow. And of course, again, I, I
suspect like how you see it is the more people that we can get
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aligned and flowing, the more wecollectively.
Yeah, yeah. Your consciousness.
Yeah, that's exactly what the group is saying.
They're saying, you know, if youreally want to live in an
empowered society, the way you do that is to empower the people
around you and basically take your own power, step into it and
do it. You've been doing some
incredible things. And if you don't mind me saying,
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I believe you started with DavidMickle, didn't you?
Did Doctor David? I did.
He was a big influence slightly on that chronic fatigue work.
You know, he had some great ideas and I worked with him for
a number of years. So yeah, you know, and I think
it was, it was amazing the earlyideas that he had because it was
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making those connections, right,between emotional stress and
physical symptoms. And I think outside of the
spiritual community, not many people were talking about that.
And particularly when you got into kind of mainstream health
was nobody was, was, was saying anything about that.
So of course everyone's talking about trauma now.
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So it's interesting how things have changed.
We've got the Vegas nerve Poly vagal theory.
Yep, when it was on everybody's lips.
When it works, it's it's it works into it works into
mainstream is basically what happens if they figure out.
Oh, I guess it's working. I guess think we're going to
start using. This is absolutely amazing.
Yeah, it used to be, used to be very interesting.
We were, we were talking about the vagus nerve a long time ago.
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And then Steven Porges, of course, came out with the bagel,
the polyvagal theory, and it's everywhere now.
I mean, it's almost all psychologists and psychiatrists
are talking about using it in different ways.
It's a fascinating piece, but it's really, and of course we
don't actually deal so much withthe vagal nerve as we do
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exercises and so forth with the vagal nerve.
But that's our empathy nerve that that's, that's who we deal
with anyway. We have impasse that come to our
seminars and and follow us in different ways and they've been
struggling. They've been having the, you
know, this plan. It's getting difficult some in
different places right now. So then you really need to know
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how to use that in some ways, but it.
It's just, it's easy to get lost, isn't it?
Yeah. I guess one of the core
principles of, of the way I see things is that, you know, I
believe that we have the resources within us.
I believe that we're, even though we're, we're being kind
of, it's almost like we're on a ship in a store that we've been
thrown all over the place. But I still believe we have the
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resources within us. And there is a lot of talk about
the vagus nerve and vagal tone and the exercises that I need to
do. But I think it starts with a
looking inward. It starts with being empowered.
You know, if I engage with family and friends, if I go for
a walk in the park, if I go to the gym, all of these things are
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supporting good vagal tones. Not that I need necessarily to,
to look at a, a crib sheet of techniques to do.
And, and I think, you know, it'skind of a big thing for me
because there's so many people Ithink are looking outside of
themselves for, you know, what are the five steps to get fit or
to lose weight or to get smart or increase my vagal tones?
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And yeah, there are things that we can do from toning, gurgling
and and, you know, cold water immersion at this old variety.
But I think having that empowered perspective as a first
step of it's it is within me. And it's not that I necessarily
need to do anything because people often come to me and say,
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should I be doing yoga? Should I be meditating?
And I say, well, you know, if you feel drawn to that, then do
that, but don't do it because your head is saying, oh, listen,
I've read this. So this is what I should do.
You know, if we want to get intothat space where we're, we're
feeling 1st and we're tapping into that, knowing that
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intuitive true self that's goingto guide us towards the things
that, that, that, that we need to do.
I think that's where confidence comes from is that whenever we
can align with that true self and be guided his last place,
even though it's tricky, you know, we, we, we begin to flirt.
Yeah, I, I, I tell you a secret.I don't, I don't say this very
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often, but I have never been able to hold a meditation for
more than a few minutes. It's just not my.
It's never been my deal. And yet we know that meditation,
prayer, spirituality in general is part of what they say.
Tones the vagus nerve and the vagal theory.
But you know what? I'll, I'll share this with you
because I'm in airports a lot. I have a, my fiance lives in
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Belgium. I'm back and forth all the time
right now. And the, the fascinating part
about it is I exercise this in airports.
I focus on sending out an energyin front of me to basically a, a
beautiful energy. And I have to remember to keep
that smile on my face because that's what does it.
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And I have the most amazing stories.
People come up to me. I wear a hat most of the time.
They come up to me, always say, hey, I like your hat, you know,
or something that starts a conversation and a few minutes
later we're sitting next to eachother on the plane or something.
You know, it's just amazing how some of this stuff works.
And I believe that's all done through our spirituality and,
and aligning the physical body in many different ways.
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And so tell me about. Go ahead.
If I can just say on that point,that's it was sure thing because
I'm going to be there. There's a big thing in
spirituality. It seemed to be years ago of the
need to protect oneself. Oh yeah.
There was something about that that felt disempowering to me.
And I had this idea almost like what you're saying was, well,
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can't I get in touch with my true self, feel a sense of love
and compassion initially for self and then radiate that act.
And I remember being at a, a talk at A, at a workshop hosted
by somebody else and, and sayingabout that I wasn't really a
massive fan of I need to protectmyself from all of these
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energies out there. I said, how about you radiate
rather than protect? And then this lady said, well,
actually I run protection workshops.
OK. But yeah, I, I, I think that's
it. It's, it's a great thing, isn't
it? It's a great thing too if it's a
great practice people can have. As you're walking down the
street is have that sense of I, I'm in a high vibrational state
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and I can radiate back and just see what happens.
Yeah, and I, I get on such a high from that.
I mean, I'm just after that, I can't go to sleep.
I'm buzzing so much that it's just, it's amazing because it
allows me to really connect to my own spirit and to and to the
world around me. You know, when when I'm going
through the airport, most peoplein the airport are focused on
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where they're going. They're looking at a time
schedule. They're trying to figure out
what gate they're at, and they're not smiling.
It's my fault. I try to go through with this
big smile on my face. Even if I have to fake it in the
beginning, it turns in to be something really special later.
So that's one of my practices. That's kind of how I meditate
these days. So that's an interesting way to
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put it. Good one.
And it's and it's connecting, isn't it?
Yes. And I think that people are so
disconnected that I think those little moments of connection
and, and, and empowerment is, isgreat.
So tell me about, tell me about stress.
You're an expert at dealing withpeople with stress.
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What? Just tell me, tell me some of
your views on that. I think stress is a really
interesting thing. People generally have this idea
that stress is that overwhelmingfeeling that they have.
For me there's interesting bits about stress is the stress we
feel and stress we don't feel and stress it's the stress we
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don't feel that that that's thatis a problem.
Whether our stress is physical, environmental, mental or
emotional, the stress response is largely the same in in the
body and brain. So what that means is it's more
than that agitated feeling that we have.
So it could be, you know, there is a stressor on the body of
travelling and getting on planesand time zones, if you have a
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bad diet, if you don't exercise,if you exercise too much, if you
have a case of flu, if you are, you know, having arguments with
your neighbor. All of these things are, I would
say, are our stresses. And when it comes to do our
health and our well-being, it's useful to look at it from a
perspective that there's a cumulative load.
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I think one of the things we have with that a medicalized
mindset, we always look for a single kind of reasonable pause
for some, you know, I've got this health challenge.
What is it? I think what we're discovering
these days is that there are probably multiple primary causes
which relate to our lifestyle and they're related to kind of
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stresses. So the way I like to see it is
that looks like there are lots of micro stresses that build up
in our sort of stress buckets. Well, that's a that's a great
way to look at that little, little pieces that kind of build
up kind of kind of kind of like the microbes in our guts.
Sometimes they all, you know, it's kind of like a democracy.
Once you have one too many on one side, you go a direction you
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you know, good. That's fascinating.
Well, it's it, you know, I thinkit's certainly useful when it
comes to having that understanding because I'll often
get people with symptoms and they'll say I it's funny, I had
my, I wasn't feeling particularly stressed when my
symptoms were worse at their worst.
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And I'll say, well, yeah. Well, probably what's happening
is that's that's invisible stress.
You're not, you're not consciously aware of that.
And, you know, part, the part ofthe principles of this work are
symptoms are messengers. So symptoms of the body trying
to tell us something, and in many instances with symptoms of
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fatigue, pain, stomach or bowel things, anxiety, depression, it
is that we are blocked, our emotions are blocked, our true
self is blocked. And it can be in the moment, you
know. So if I'm experiencing symptoms
at 2:30 PM in Starbucks on a Thursday afternoon, some I'm
blocking, some unconsciously blocking, but I'm blocking
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something at that point. And being aware of that,
beginning to look at it with fresh irons is, is useful.
So those are the things I think about stress for me is, is this,
this stress can be good and bad,you know, it's not.
All, Yeah, No, no. Physical exercise is good
stress, absolutely. Yeah, you know.
Unless you do too much. Whole shower a sauna you You
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always used to love your saunas.Do you still love love the
sauna? Yeah, yes, I do have a sauna and
my my friends still make fun of me because I have a sauna in the
desert. That's correct.
But it's brilliant illness. I love it.
I'm a on a fan too. And but, but it's a stressor.
So human beings are designed to be stressed both emotionally,
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cognitively, physically, But of course, it's little bits of
stress, isn't it? So it's knowing, it's
understanding. Well, this there is good stress,
there is bad stress, the stress we feel and the stress that we
don't feel. And when it comes to health,
it's it's understanding. OK, well there's this cumulative
load and it's probably not necessarily one sit and because
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that's where the whole thing of the vagus nerve comes in,
because it's that load where it ramps up, ramps up, ramps up,
and then vagus nerve is tipped into a a kind of dysregulated or
dysfunctional state. And that's when problems in C.
That's fascinating, absolutely fascinating.
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How do you work with people? What do you see people?
Do you see have clients come to your office?
Do you do work online? How?
How do you generally work with people?
It's, it's, it's a mixture both.So if people are local to me,
they come in the office. Probably 70 or 80% of my work
these days is done online because of with people all over
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the globe. And you know, it's because I'm
not, I'm not hands on, I'm not doing anything to people as
such. You know, I'm guiding people
through a process is an energetic exchange.
But I guess it's, it's educational, you know, I'm
facilitating a journey. I'm inviting people to shift the
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nature of their relationship with themselves and understand
their own role as creators in their experience.
Awesome, awesome, incredible, incredible stuff, my friend.
And you've been doing this for quite a while.
The the other big question that we all have is you've been doing
this for a long time. Do you have to find that you
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have to kind of reinvent yourself shifted with the with
the changing times? How does that work for you,
Kyle? I think the, IT is always
evolving and I think because of the rapid rate of change
globally, there is that sense ofI need to keep up.
I think one of the big shifts inthe work that I've done in the
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last probably 10 years is that we, we always looked at things
from a perspective of world happens, things happen.
I have emotions and I learn to suppress those emotions because
effectively what happens is people learn from a young age,
it's not safe for me to be in mybody.
It's not safe for me to feel andit's not safe for me to be me.
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But there's, there's, there's a lot.
There used to be a lot of external focus on that.
And I guess one of the big shifts for me and the journey I
take people on is, yes, we know that we're going to have
internal experiences as a resultof external events, but I guide
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people towards a space of, of beginning to see that, well, my
experience, my emotional experience is created within me.
It's not the outside life directly causes what I'm feeling
in here. It's part of it is almost the
narratives that I'm running looks like the contracts I have
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with life, my ego to an extent. How do I know who I am?
Well, I like this. I don't know like this so, but
all of those things exist withinme.
And I think my sense of it is people go through life and
they're trying to manage their internal experience and they are
trying to manoeuvre and manipulate and control life in
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order to control their feelings.You know, people only do the
things that they do because they're trying to have a feeling
experience, so. That's an interesting point.
I like that. I'm going to use that.
That's awesome. You're aptly right.
When people could begin to see that, well, actually my feeling
experience is created within me.It's not that there's meaning
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out there in life. It's it's kind of like I'm
imprinting meaning. I mean, most simple example of
this could be a game of, of, of any sport, football, anything,
you know, and there's no meaningin that game.
But if you're a die hard fan andyou're, you're going every week,
you're reading interviews with the players, you're listening on
the radio, you'll have a big emotional experience about the
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outcome of games. But that emotional experience
only exists within you. And it's, it's about attention.
We know attention is very powerful.
The more attention I give to that game and that team and the
sport, the more of an emotional experience I have.
So I'm playing a role in the creation of my experience there
through the attention I give something because for the most
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people, people believe that it'sthe events that's causing my
feelings. So when people begin to see
well, well, actually, the experience, the feelings are,
are created within me and it's possible for me to have a
different experience, even if circumstances don't change, that
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opens opens up to a world of possibility.
Really, it's I'm no longer a victim of circumstance.
You know, I'm I'm maneuvering myself around this game board of
life. So if that's probably the the
the the big shift. And that allows you to really
take responsibility for your creation abilities, too.
That's incredible. Yeah.
Yeah, but and it's it's a key piece, isn't it?
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Yeah. And it's a tricky piece because
of course we had law of attraction and and being a mind
based identity, people thought, well, well, if I just change, if
I think about being in a red Ferrari, then it's going to turn
it on the drive, you know, and then that didn't happen.
So there's obvious, you know, there are complexities, nuances
and layers to all of that stuff.But still having that I think
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been, you know, as a starting point of all, you know, let me
own the experience that I'm having and let's be be in that
space of well, if something's showing up for me, it's got to
be serving me. I must love it at some level.
What can I learn from it? I'm somehow creating this.
And unless you, you, you would have said I've learned from you
in the past that well, yeah, there may be some bits as part
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of my sole contract or there there are things.
That's not. Yeah, but that's only direction.
That's only direction. We're we're, we're conscious
creators. We're responsible for being here
and we're responsible for ourselves And, and we need to
take responsibility for that allthe way around.
But you're absolutely right. That's amazing.
Yeah. And.
That's the thing, isn't it is when, when we, when we take that
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responsibility and, and know that well, whatever is showing
up, it is it's going to be safe in me.
And if I want a different experience, it's possible that I
can do something that's different then it does.
It opens things wide for us. Yeah, incredible.
Yeah, Basically we had somebody recently ask a question of the
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group in a channel. It was, it was an interesting
thing. It brings to your point that
you're talking about, she said. You know, I'm really having a
hard time living in the place and I'm living.
It's very low vibration. Nobody really understands me.
I'm planning on moving to such and such a place.
What does the group think is, isthis going to work for me?
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And they said, no, you're going to find exactly the same thing
because you haven't changed. You're basically causing that
reaction because of the way you're adapting things.
And of course, that causes all sorts of stresses.
We're trying to control the world around us many times to,
to make ourselves happy and to and to feed our egos and to and
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to be able to work with that andsee ourselves in different ways.
But when it doesn't work that way, we end up with 10 times the
amount of stress that we would normally have if we just take
the next step. We just keep on walking in
different ways. Magical.
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, isn't it?
It's it's, I think that individual, I would say, well,
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that's a great product of your culture because we're
indoctrinated into that narrative.
The, it's my circumstances that are creating my internal
experience. And if I 100% believe that I
will be disempowered, I'll be inthat victim consciousness and I
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won't be able to, to change anything.
So being being open to the idea that we have, you know, it's
that old cliche, isn't it? I'm taking me wherever I go,
that's it. So I do need to kind of look, I
need to look inside. And I think the looking inwards
is that that's the word, isn't it?
The old Gandhi quota. Be the change you want to see in
the world. Right to the Ginny.
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The look inward first, which I think is particularly difficult
in in a world where we're invited to look outside of
ourselves continually to, you know, the flashing lights going
off. You know, the Internet is always
on social media, You know, which, you know, the fast pace
of life, people are, are trying to keep up with things.
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So right, constantly looking outside of themselves and taking
that time to look inward and knowing that, well, actually
could be a lot simpler. If I, if I come in and I believe
that there's, there's a, a wisdom, there's a true self
within me, you know, a soul, whatever you would want to call
it, a flow of consciousness and that will guide me.
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You know, I'll often say that as, as almost like a mantra to
my clients is give over the heavy lifting to your true self.
You don't have to figure it all out.
You know, in our minds based culture, we want to know all the
steps, don't we? It's like, I've got to know
exactly what's going to happen when I've got to figure it all
out. And it's like, no, you don't
wait. What are you getting a lot of
those questions? Yeah, I know what you mean.
Is that trusted that wisdom is going to be there to guide me so
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I can do less? So yeah, that that's, I suppose
that's a, that's a big piece forme.
Yeah, it's, it's difficult. I the group keeps talking about
the fact that, that we're all looking for our path.
We're looking for our path of quickest evolution.
We're looking for our path of least resistance.
We're looking for all these easypaths through the past.
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That's most effective. They say you don't actually make
the path until your foot almost hits the ground.
That's when you create it and you can change it anytime you
want. If we just take that power and
we change it inside, we don't change it outside.
That's that's some magical, magical work to to work with.
Fascinating. And there's a, there's a,
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there's an interesting point. And that's one thing I find, and
you probably see this as well, is the people that are really
concerned about making a wrong decision.
Oh, yeah. So it's either making a wrong
decision or if I start going down that path, I've got to
continue going down it. And you know, so I say probably
as you would say, well, what if there's no right and wrong?
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What if you were on path A or the path B?
You just have a different experience and you always have
the potential and the possibility and the choice to
change and to go for path C or Dor E, But you've got to be
empowered enough to recognize, all right, if I feel a guidance
to shift path, I can do that. And I'm it's just an experience
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anyway. And my soul wants experience so.
Well, you know, that's it. Sometimes we actually script and
when we talk about contracts that we made on the other side
of the veil, sometimes we made contracts to step in the mud
puddle to to run across a brick wall, to be able to experience
some of these things many times because we've done it lifetime
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after lifetime after lifetime. And we've always said why me?
What's you know, what am I doingwrong rather than just dealing
with the issues and and trying to grow from it.
Yeah, there, there's just incredible similarities there.
And you're absolutely right about everything shifting so
much. It's, it was so strange when I
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started channeling 25 years ago,about 27 years ago, it
channeling was on the edge. I mean, people looked at me and
they say, well, how do you protect yourself and how do you
know if they're the good guys and not the bad guys?
And how do you, you know, how you going to do this?
There's a lot of hesitation about that word channeling and
everything else today, it's really commonplace.
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It's not only a commonplace, butit's used.
I've done corporate seminars, I've done a lot of things to be
able to give people a different view of themselves in different
ways of that nature. And it's accepted because the
reality is it's a different view.
It's not perfectly right, it's not perfectly wrong.
There is no right or wrong. We just got to deal with these
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things and work with them in different ways.
That's what the group is really working with a lot now.
They're trying to anchor us intowhat they call the 5th
dimension. We've been anchored in the field
of duality in the third dimension.
And now we're moving out into a whole different way of looking
at things and many of the truthswe've been talking about for a
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very long time. But now they're evolving and
it's, it's really getting an exciting time, exciting time to
be here. I'm really glad.
This interesting fact, dualisticperspective, how that shows up
for people is, I mean, so often I, you know, people will say to
me, well, I can either do this or I can do that, right?
Or either do it or I don't do it.
Or it's right or wrong, up and down, love and fear, all the all
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the opposites. It's kind of.
And it worked for us in the lower vibrations of the third
dimension. But today it's getting in our
way and the group has a really interesting way of talking about
They say basically the first dimension was unity.
It's what we call God. It would We're all together,
we're all part of each other. We had to go through the 2nd
dimension to get to the third dimension.
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We picked up the imprints of duality, we picked up the ego,
we picked up different things that we were going to need to
live there. And now we're trying to go
through the 4th dimension, get new imprints to live in the 5th
dimension, and we have to release many of the things that
we picked up in the second dimension.
Kind of a challenge. Kind of a challenge.
But it is, isn't it? It's disorientating because it's
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already becoming something else.We're becoming something new.
And of course the ego wants to hold on to who I was.
That's it. And this is where the kind of
ideas of being in the present, allowing your experience,
removing judgement from your experience, practicing self
compassion, all those sorts of, you know, phrases and words that
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we throw around. I'm actually a really hard to
do, particularly, you know, in the stormy waters that we're
trying to work our way through. But yeah, it's, it's, it's
interesting in certainly interesting times and you know,
interesting shifts, but useful to look at it as as exciting
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times. Well, that's it.
Yeah, it is. You know, we've, we look around,
we look at politics, we look at economies, we look at all the
things that we think build our world and all the control of
different things and so forth. And we feel helpless.
We feel like we're not really incontrol.
We're being manipulated. And yeah, of course we're being
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manipulated. Every time we turn on the
television, every time we pick up the newspaper and see an ad,
we're being manipulated. But that's just part of the
game. And we don't have to buy into
all that stuff. We can take our own power.
We can look at these things and go, OK, there's there's another
view, I'll take that in. But the reality is I'm
responsible for me. And that's the hard part for a
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lot of people to really do, you know, And we see the challenges.
We've seen a lot of change. We've seen massive changes here
in the United States and the UK having to do with politics,
crazy stuff going on, that goingon globally.
The reality is it really fits insome of the larger aspects.
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The group just recently remindedme of something we used to say
all the time that, you know, in I think it's Hindi, that it came
from the the story of the Shaktiand the Shiva.
The Shakti has to come in and destroy everything so that the
Shiva can rebuild it. We're in those times and that
can be very exciting and lots ofopportunities and some wonderful
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opportunities for us to rid ourselves of some of these
things and step forward in a whole new way.
Absolutely. It's interesting, isn't it?
I mean, I think for with any evolutionary process, whether
it's an individual, a building, Rd. works, a culture, there is a
period of chaos when you go fromthe old to to the new.
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We're in that period now. But yeah, one of the interesting
things for me is, is in the times we're living is, is the
importance of staying away from fear.
When we had COVID, I went on theTV here in, in the UK and I was
asked about it and, and people'sresponses.
And I, I said, and this was whatat the start where it really
kicked off. But one thing that I wanted
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people to be aware of was how emotion spreads.
And I said I, I think that fear and the impact of that could be
more damaging than the COVID five hours of South, you know,
and that I think that kind of played out really.
And I think it's one of the things that we can have in the
world at the moment is that if we turn on the TV and watch the
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news and see all the things thatare happening, we can quite
easily get pulled into that, youknow, feel fear and that and
begin to radiate fear. And that's what we don't want to
be doing. Yeah, we're conscious creators.
If we feel it, we'll create it. It's real simple.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, that, that's tricky,
isn't it? So it's, you know, how, how do
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people deal with that? I think, again, I think it all
starts with the awareness of what's happening is that, well,
I'm going to be energetically influenced by the things that I
expose myself to. So maybe I will watch the news
as much, but be aware of that. That's the responsibility I
think for us is the what's the energy that I'm carrying?
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Because that's going to be influencing the way I see the
world is going to be influencingwhat shows up in my life and the
people around me as well. So I think that we all have a
responsibility for ourselves andalmost to each other because we
can collectively and we are we, we can collectively raise the
vibration by tuning to ourselves.
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That's it. Little by little we're
responsible for our world aroundus and and our own happiness.
That's that's the hardest part about it.
We always look for all the influences around us.
I will be happy when the realityis fear and unhappiness in
general is only an attachment tosome idea that you have about
the future. It's a timeline trick.
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And even our astrophysicists arenow starting to say things that
the group said quite some time ago, that time is an illusion.
It's a it's a human construct that we had to create in order
to see our world in this, in this whole idea of being a
spirit pretending to be a human.Absolutely fascinating stuff.
Kay, I mean that, that whole time thing.
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I, I, I always had questions about that when my kids were
small, they'd say things like orDad, do do you remember when we
did this last year? And it was like we'd done it
this morning or Dad, do you remember when we did this
yesterday and we'd done it like last year?
And I, I thought, well, this is really interesting.
Is it that they their brains learn the the the, the notion,
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the construct of time because they're surrounded by it and
they learn how to, you know, kind of construct time?
I don't know. It was just something that came.
I just thought it was really interesting with with case.
No, they're going to do. This the group has been talking
a lot about the illusion of time.
They've also said that that in fact, that there are a lot of
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people that are here holding energy from 300 years in the
future that have come back in time, which opens up the idea.
We've had all kinds of questionsabout time travel.
How do you do that? What is that?
They're not really talking aboutthat as much as the fact that
we're spirits. We're only have brief
incarnations here that only lasteighty 100 years probably at the
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most. And we only have time to play
this game in this way. And then we go home and we
refresh and we're back to our natural selves.
In so many ways. That's really what the idea is.
But they've also said that the time is circular is actually
spiral, not pretty much like everything else in the in the
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world. They talk a lot about the the
toroid, the Taurus around their physical body, around the earth,
the magnetic fields, all the other things and how that works.
Got some fascinating aspects of things that are absolutely
starting to not, and they're moving out of metaphysics into
the physical world. And it's absolutely amazing to
watch as some of these new things are being grasped and
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used in different ways. I'm very excited to be here, I
think. I think it's those sorts of
things show up, don't they, because you had you just had a
birthday. You know, that's a birthday
every year. But, you know, people often talk
about, this is happening to me again.
You know, on my journey, I've, I've had plenty of experiences
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of, oh, I thought I was done with this.
Yeah. I thought I'd mastered this.
And I like, and I have that sense of, and it feels like a
spiral of what I'm experiencing is not quite the same as the way
I experienced it last time, but I'm still having an experience
again. So there's obviously more for me
to look. But that said, I think it shows
up in all of our lives. That spiral is, is kind of
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evident everywhere, isn't it, when we begin to look.
So it's really interesting to know that it exists.
On that metaphysical level as well as, you know, in the micro
level of our, of our, you know, our life.
It's fascinating, Kyle, we're going to have to do some work
together. We've got some so many different
things in common. You've got another angle, a
different view here that really fits into a lot of our work and
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brings new aspects from both of us.
We're we're going to do some we're going to do some fun
things together. I'm, I'm really looking forward
to it here in this year. Once we got this website moved
and some other things, we're we'll, we'll, we'll get to this
very quickly. I really enjoyed our time
together. Sir, is there anything you'd
like to leave everybody with? Well, that's a big question,
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isn't it? Well, that's a leave, sorry.
I didn't give you any warning about that.
Really, it's it's the you you are designed to thrive and look
inside. Trust in trust your wisdom
because it's always there. But the, the way I like to think
about this with, with clients isthat it's almost like we've got
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clouds around our head and we know when there's clouds, the
blue sky is always there. We have a lot of clouds in this
country, not so much in Vegas, but there's a lot in this
country. We know the blue sky is always
there. And so that the, the, the, our
ability to thrive and to flourish and to fear locate, to
have Peace of Mind is there. And it's not actually always
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about doing more. It's in many instances about
doing less and trusting and looking inside and being
empowered. So it's that thing of give over
the heavy lifting of, you know, if there's a lot going on in
your life, give over the the, the heavy lifting of figuring
out all of the steps that you know to your true self
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untrusted. It's almost like you, you've got
something bad that's hugging youwith looking after you and it
communicates with you through knowing realizations, intuitive
wisdom. And when you at any moment it's
entirely possible for you to feel OK, just come back into the
present, breathe anger in and you can begin to, you know,
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almost like what we're like taking your hand off a ball
that's being held underwater. It bounces to the surface so
great. We we connect with ourselves, We
begin to regain that that Peace of Mind.
So that was a long one message to be able to listen.
No, that's, that's what I call channeling.
That's exactly it. I I've always the groups always
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said everybody channels. They call it something
different. They all, they all focus it in
little different ways and it comes in different ways.
So ignite your channel, try to learn to trust it and use it.
Absolutely magical. Kyle, thank you so much.
Tell people how they can reach you.
Mainly through the website energyflowcoaching.com or if
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you're a business it would be Energy Flow business.com.
Oh, perfect. Perfect.
Carl Davies, thank you so much for being on the podcast today.
You're you're a wonderful healer, Sir.
We're honored to have you here with us.
And like I said, we're going to do some work together.
Absolutely. Thanks.
Thanks very much for having me. OK.
We'll turn you back to the studio.
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Thanks for everybody for being with us.
It's another one of the great days for a wonderful back story
podcast behind the scenes here at Espavo.
Espavo, everybody, thank you fortaking your power.
Music. Hi everybody, welcome.
Welcome to the Back Story podcast today.
As we've mentioned many times, one of some of the fun things
we're bringing you is we we wantto bring you some people that
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are very real, not necessarily extremely famous people or
people that have been doing thisfor eons of time.
But what I'm really interested in doing is bringing you people
that you can see yourself in andpeople that have done this and
people have been working many times, even behind the scenes
for some time. I'm very honored to bring you
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Kyle Davies today. Kyle is a magical person.
We met back in 2005, I think originally, and he has gone on
to create his own level of work.He's written a book called The
Intelligent Body. This is back in a little ways,
but it's they they work in here is absolutely incredible.
(01:33):
It's talking about working with chronic fatigue, different pain
levels and really some ass fascinating parts about how he
works with the physical body himself.
He's a psychologist who's turnedinto just an incredible healer.
And I'm very honored today to bring you Kyle, Kyle Davies.
How you doing buddy? Great to see you, Steve, and
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thank you so much for having me on on the on the show today.
And hello everybody. Yeah, thank you.
And I forgot to tell you you're in, he's in Cardiff, Wales.
So he's on the other side of thepond right now.
I'm in the morning, he's in the evening.
So you know, I just flew home recently on my birthday and it
was the longest birthday I've ever had because it was 33 hours
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long with the time difference. So anyway.
Of flight. Yeah, crazy stuff.
Anyway, welcome. Today I wanted to have kind of
connect with you because you andI've been talking about doing
some work together and that is coming.
We're going to be doing some sessions on healing together.
I just love your approach. The the group has given me lots
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of ideas and different things that we try to plant seeds, but
I don't actually get to do the work the way you do.
And I'm thrilled to be able to bring this to people and kind of
share a little bit about tell us, tell us a little bit about
the work that you're doing rightnow.
So let me give you just a littlebit of history and how I got to
what I'm doing now. I'm a psychologist by trade.
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I started up my career working in organizations back kind of
whenever it was like 30 years now, when we were with people in
organizations, you were working with somebody in their role and
I was fascinated to get a littlebit deep with people.
So I went and trained in therapy, a variety of modalities
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and started a little therapy practice.
Then in the early 2000s, I, I started working with, with a
medical doctor and we focused onchronic fatigue, fibromyalgia
and those kinds of health challenges.
And we were coming from my body perspective.
And this is the early 2000s and back then, nobody was interested
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in a mind body perspective. It was right.
Even when people said, Oh yeah, I believe in the mind body
connection. When you talked about physical
symptoms and the connection withemotional stress or stress in
the body and brain, they'd say, how can you talk about physical
symptoms and relate that to stress?
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That's, you know, they're different things, aren't they?
So we've seen a huge change in that.
Obviously there's been massive interest in the last kind of
five years or so in, in in my body work.
So for a period of time I work exclusively with people with
chronic fatigue and chronic painchallenges.
Now I work with a very broad range of people.
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So what we've seen thing, I think since COVID, because we're
in the in the midst of this spiritual awakening is there's a
lot of people that come to me. They're just, they're lost.
They're doesn't combobulated. They don't know who they are.
And of course this will manifestas as anxiety, depression,
burnout, as well as the kind of fatigue and pain stuff.
So I spoke with organizations and I think organizations need
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these sorts of things more than more than ever as they're
shifting towards kind of smarterways of working.
Really, you know, the, the word resilience has become huge
within companies now because interesting stress issues and
mental health challenges are going through the roof.
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So, you know, I do that organization work and then
working with individuals. And the core of it really, Steve
is very much like, I guess the essence of what you do.
And you know, obviously you've been a huge influence of over me
and what I've done over the last20 years now is it's it's that
empowerment route. And if bringing people back to
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help them find their true self. So I think the you know, and
it's simple of the simple baseline laughter.
That's my sense of it. We're designed to flourish.
We're designed to fry. And when we can look inwards and
become empowered and see the creators we are, we can begin to
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flour. You know, it's that idea that we
don't quite realized the obstacles we put in our own way.
So it's it's taking people through this journey of seeing
themselves as victims of circumstance.
Life is happening to me through to well, life presents the with
an opportunity through to I am part of that flow of love and I
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can influence that flow and I and become one with it.
So yeah, it's, I guess for the most part, sitting under ones
wouldn't work. And I, I am appealing more to
those with either chronic fatigue or chronic pain
problems, anxiety and depression.
But you know, I get all sorts ofpeople that come, as they say,
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lots of people these days feel very lost, stuck, overwhelmed
and, and looking for something. And for me, obviously that's
this, this there are opportunities in all of those
things, chances for us to see ourselves in the world in a new
way and and grow. And of course, again, I, I
suspect like how you see it is the more people that we can get
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aligned and flowing, the more wecollectively.
Yeah, yeah. Your consciousness.
Yeah, that's exactly what the group is saying.
They're saying, you know, if youreally want to live in an
empowered society, the way you do that is to empower the people
around you and basically take your own power, step into it and
do it. You've been doing some
incredible things. And if you don't mind me saying,
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I believe you started with DavidMickle, didn't you?
Did Doctor David? I did.
He was a big influence slightly on that chronic fatigue work.
You know, he had some great ideas and I worked with him for
a number of years. So yeah, you know, and I think
it was, it was amazing the earlyideas that he had because it was
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making those connections, right,between emotional stress and
physical symptoms. And I think outside of the
spiritual community, not many people were talking about that.
And particularly when you got into kind of mainstream health
was nobody was, was, was saying anything about that.
So of course everyone's talking about trauma now.
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So it's interesting how things have changed.
We've got the Vegas nerve Poly vagal theory.
Yep, when it was on everybody's lips.
When it works, it's it's it works into it works into
mainstream is basically what happens if they figure out.
Oh, I guess it's working. I guess think we're going to
start using. This is absolutely amazing.
Yeah, it used to be, used to be very interesting.
We were, we were talking about the vagus nerve a long time ago.
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And then Steven Porges, of course, came out with the bagel,
the polyvagal theory, and it's everywhere now.
I mean, it's almost all psychologists and psychiatrists
are talking about using it in different ways.
It's a fascinating piece, but it's really, and of course we
don't actually deal so much withthe vagal nerve as we do
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exercises and so forth with the vagal nerve.
But that's our empathy nerve that that's, that's who we deal
with anyway. We have impasse that come to our
seminars and and follow us in different ways and they've been
struggling. They've been having the, you
know, this plan. It's getting difficult some in
different places right now. So then you really need to know
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how to use that in some ways, but it.
It's just, it's easy to get lost, isn't it?
Yeah. I guess one of the core
principles of, of the way I see things is that, you know, I
believe that we have the resources within us.
I believe that we're, even though we're, we're being kind
of, it's almost like we're on a ship in a store that we've been
thrown all over the place. But I still believe we have the
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resources within us. And there is a lot of talk about
the vagus nerve and vagal tone and the exercises that I need to
do. But I think it starts with a
looking inward. It starts with being empowered.
You know, if I engage with family and friends, if I go for
a walk in the park, if I go to the gym, all of these things are
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supporting good vagal tones. Not that I need necessarily to,
to look at a, a crib sheet of techniques to do.
And, and I think, you know, it'skind of a big thing for me
because there's so many people Ithink are looking outside of
themselves for, you know, what are the five steps to get fit or
to lose weight or to get smart or increase my vagal tones?
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And yeah, there are things that we can do from toning, gurgling
and and, you know, cold water immersion at this old variety.
But I think having that empowered perspective as a first
step of it's it is within me. And it's not that I necessarily
need to do anything because people often come to me and say,
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should I be doing yoga? Should I be meditating?
And I say, well, you know, if you feel drawn to that, then do
that, but don't do it because your head is saying, oh, listen,
I've read this. So this is what I should do.
You know, if we want to get intothat space where we're, we're
feeling 1st and we're tapping into that, knowing that
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intuitive true self that's goingto guide us towards the things
that, that, that, that we need to do.
I think that's where confidence comes from is that whenever we
can align with that true self and be guided his last place,
even though it's tricky, you know, we, we, we begin to flirt.
Yeah, I, I, I tell you a secret.I don't, I don't say this very
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often, but I have never been able to hold a meditation for
more than a few minutes. It's just not my.
It's never been my deal. And yet we know that meditation,
prayer, spirituality in general is part of what they say.
Tones the vagus nerve and the vagal theory.
But you know what? I'll, I'll share this with you
because I'm in airports a lot. I have a, my fiance lives in
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Belgium. I'm back and forth all the time
right now. And the, the fascinating part
about it is I exercise this in airports.
I focus on sending out an energyin front of me to basically a, a
beautiful energy. And I have to remember to keep
that smile on my face because that's what does it.
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And I have the most amazing stories.
People come up to me. I wear a hat most of the time.
They come up to me, always say, hey, I like your hat, you know,
or something that starts a conversation and a few minutes
later we're sitting next to eachother on the plane or something.
You know, it's just amazing how some of this stuff works.
And I believe that's all done through our spirituality and,
and aligning the physical body in many different ways.
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And so tell me about. Go ahead.
If I can just say on that point,that's it was sure thing because
I'm going to be there. There's a big thing in
spirituality. It seemed to be years ago of the
need to protect oneself. Oh yeah.
There was something about that that felt disempowering to me.
And I had this idea almost like what you're saying was, well,
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can't I get in touch with my true self, feel a sense of love
and compassion initially for self and then radiate that act.
And I remember being at a, a talk at A, at a workshop hosted
by somebody else and, and sayingabout that I wasn't really a
massive fan of I need to protectmyself from all of these
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energies out there. I said, how about you radiate
rather than protect? And then this lady said, well,
actually I run protection workshops.
OK. But yeah, I, I, I think that's
it. It's, it's a great thing, isn't
it? It's a great thing too if it's a
great practice people can have. As you're walking down the
street is have that sense of I, I'm in a high vibrational state
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and I can radiate back and just see what happens.
Yeah, and I, I get on such a high from that.
I mean, I'm just after that, I can't go to sleep.
I'm buzzing so much that it's just, it's amazing because it
allows me to really connect to my own spirit and to and to the
world around me. You know, when when I'm going
through the airport, most peoplein the airport are focused on
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where they're going. They're looking at a time
schedule. They're trying to figure out
what gate they're at, and they're not smiling.
It's my fault. I try to go through with this
big smile on my face. Even if I have to fake it in the
beginning, it turns in to be something really special later.
So that's one of my practices. That's kind of how I meditate
these days. So that's an interesting way to
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put it. Good one.
And it's and it's connecting, isn't it?
Yes. And I think that people are so
disconnected that I think those little moments of connection
and, and, and empowerment is, isgreat.
So tell me about, tell me about stress.
You're an expert at dealing withpeople with stress.
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What? Just tell me, tell me some of
your views on that. I think stress is a really
interesting thing. People generally have this idea
that stress is that overwhelmingfeeling that they have.
For me there's interesting bits about stress is the stress we
feel and stress we don't feel and stress it's the stress we
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don't feel that that that's thatis a problem.
Whether our stress is physical, environmental, mental or
emotional, the stress response is largely the same in in the
body and brain. So what that means is it's more
than that agitated feeling that we have.
So it could be, you know, there is a stressor on the body of
travelling and getting on planesand time zones, if you have a
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bad diet, if you don't exercise,if you exercise too much, if you
have a case of flu, if you are, you know, having arguments with
your neighbor. All of these things are, I would
say, are our stresses. And when it comes to do our
health and our well-being, it's useful to look at it from a
perspective that there's a cumulative load.
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I think one of the things we have with that a medicalized
mindset, we always look for a single kind of reasonable pause
for some, you know, I've got this health challenge.
What is it? I think what we're discovering
these days is that there are probably multiple primary causes
which relate to our lifestyle and they're related to kind of
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stresses. So the way I like to see it is
that looks like there are lots of micro stresses that build up
in our sort of stress buckets. Well, that's a that's a great
way to look at that little, little pieces that kind of build
up kind of kind of kind of like the microbes in our guts.
Sometimes they all, you know, it's kind of like a democracy.
Once you have one too many on one side, you go a direction you
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you know, good. That's fascinating.
Well, it's it, you know, I thinkit's certainly useful when it
comes to having that understanding because I'll often
get people with symptoms and they'll say I it's funny, I had
my, I wasn't feeling particularly stressed when my
symptoms were worse at their worst.
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And I'll say, well, yeah. Well, probably what's happening
is that's that's invisible stress.
You're not, you're not consciously aware of that.
And, you know, part, the part ofthe principles of this work are
symptoms are messengers. So symptoms of the body trying
to tell us something, and in many instances with symptoms of
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fatigue, pain, stomach or bowel things, anxiety, depression, it
is that we are blocked, our emotions are blocked, our true
self is blocked. And it can be in the moment, you
know. So if I'm experiencing symptoms
at 2:30 PM in Starbucks on a Thursday afternoon, some I'm
blocking, some unconsciously blocking, but I'm blocking
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something at that point. And being aware of that,
beginning to look at it with fresh irons is, is useful.
So those are the things I think about stress for me is, is this,
this stress can be good and bad,you know, it's not.
All, Yeah, No, no. Physical exercise is good
stress, absolutely. Yeah, you know.
Unless you do too much. Whole shower a sauna you You
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always used to love your saunas.Do you still love love the
sauna? Yeah, yes, I do have a sauna and
my my friends still make fun of me because I have a sauna in the
desert. That's correct.
But it's brilliant illness. I love it.
I'm a on a fan too. And but, but it's a stressor.
So human beings are designed to be stressed both emotionally,
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cognitively, physically, But of course, it's little bits of
stress, isn't it? So it's knowing, it's
understanding. Well, this there is good stress,
there is bad stress, the stress we feel and the stress that we
don't feel. And when it comes to health,
it's it's understanding. OK, well there's this cumulative
load and it's probably not necessarily one sit and because
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that's where the whole thing of the vagus nerve comes in,
because it's that load where it ramps up, ramps up, ramps up,
and then vagus nerve is tipped into a a kind of dysregulated or
dysfunctional state. And that's when problems in C.
That's fascinating, absolutely fascinating.
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How do you work with people? What do you see people?
Do you see have clients come to your office?
Do you do work online? How?
How do you generally work with people?
It's, it's, it's a mixture both.So if people are local to me,
they come in the office. Probably 70 or 80% of my work
these days is done online because of with people all over
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the globe. And you know, it's because I'm
not, I'm not hands on, I'm not doing anything to people as
such. You know, I'm guiding people
through a process is an energetic exchange.
But I guess it's, it's educational, you know, I'm
facilitating a journey. I'm inviting people to shift the
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nature of their relationship with themselves and understand
their own role as creators in their experience.
Awesome, awesome, incredible, incredible stuff, my friend.
And you've been doing this for quite a while.
The the other big question that we all have is you've been doing
this for a long time. Do you have to find that you
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have to kind of reinvent yourself shifted with the with
the changing times? How does that work for you,
Kyle? I think the, IT is always
evolving and I think because of the rapid rate of change
globally, there is that sense ofI need to keep up.
I think one of the big shifts inthe work that I've done in the
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last probably 10 years is that we, we always looked at things
from a perspective of world happens, things happen.
I have emotions and I learn to suppress those emotions because
effectively what happens is people learn from a young age,
it's not safe for me to be in mybody.
It's not safe for me to feel andit's not safe for me to be me.
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But there's, there's, there's a lot.
There used to be a lot of external focus on that.
And I guess one of the big shifts for me and the journey I
take people on is, yes, we know that we're going to have
internal experiences as a resultof external events, but I guide
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people towards a space of, of beginning to see that, well, my
experience, my emotional experience is created within me.
It's not the outside life directly causes what I'm feeling
in here. It's part of it is almost the
narratives that I'm running looks like the contracts I have
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with life, my ego to an extent. How do I know who I am?
Well, I like this. I don't know like this so, but
all of those things exist withinme.
And I think my sense of it is people go through life and
they're trying to manage their internal experience and they are
trying to manoeuvre and manipulate and control life in
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order to control their feelings.You know, people only do the
things that they do because they're trying to have a feeling
experience, so. That's an interesting point.
I like that. I'm going to use that.
That's awesome. You're aptly right.
When people could begin to see that, well, actually my feeling
experience is created within me.It's not that there's meaning
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out there in life. It's it's kind of like I'm
imprinting meaning. I mean, most simple example of
this could be a game of, of, of any sport, football, anything,
you know, and there's no meaningin that game.
But if you're a die hard fan andyou're, you're going every week,
you're reading interviews with the players, you're listening on
the radio, you'll have a big emotional experience about the
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outcome of games. But that emotional experience
only exists within you. And it's, it's about attention.
We know attention is very powerful.
The more attention I give to that game and that team and the
sport, the more of an emotional experience I have.
So I'm playing a role in the creation of my experience there
through the attention I give something because for the most
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people, people believe that it'sthe events that's causing my
feelings. So when people begin to see
well, well, actually, the experience, the feelings are,
are created within me and it's possible for me to have a
different experience, even if circumstances don't change, that
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opens opens up to a world of possibility.
Really, it's I'm no longer a victim of circumstance.
You know, I'm I'm maneuvering myself around this game board of
life. So if that's probably the the
the the big shift. And that allows you to really
take responsibility for your creation abilities, too.
That's incredible. Yeah.
Yeah, but and it's it's a key piece, isn't it?
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Yeah. And it's a tricky piece because
of course we had law of attraction and and being a mind
based identity, people thought, well, well, if I just change, if
I think about being in a red Ferrari, then it's going to turn
it on the drive, you know, and then that didn't happen.
So there's obvious, you know, there are complexities, nuances
and layers to all of that stuff.But still having that I think
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been, you know, as a starting point of all, you know, let me
own the experience that I'm having and let's be be in that
space of well, if something's showing up for me, it's got to
be serving me. I must love it at some level.
What can I learn from it? I'm somehow creating this.
And unless you, you, you would have said I've learned from you
in the past that well, yeah, there may be some bits as part
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of my sole contract or there there are things.
That's not. Yeah, but that's only direction.
That's only direction. We're we're, we're conscious
creators. We're responsible for being here
and we're responsible for ourselves And, and we need to
take responsibility for that allthe way around.
But you're absolutely right. That's amazing.
Yeah. And.
That's the thing, isn't it is when, when we, when we take that
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responsibility and, and know that well, whatever is showing
up, it is it's going to be safe in me.
And if I want a different experience, it's possible that I
can do something that's different then it does.
It opens things wide for us. Yeah, incredible.
Yeah, Basically we had somebody recently ask a question of the
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group in a channel. It was, it was an interesting
thing. It brings to your point that
you're talking about, she said. You know, I'm really having a
hard time living in the place and I'm living.
It's very low vibration. Nobody really understands me.
I'm planning on moving to such and such a place.
What does the group think is, isthis going to work for me?
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And they said, no, you're going to find exactly the same thing
because you haven't changed. You're basically causing that
reaction because of the way you're adapting things.
And of course, that causes all sorts of stresses.
We're trying to control the world around us many times to,
to make ourselves happy and to and to feed our egos and to and
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to be able to work with that andsee ourselves in different ways.
But when it doesn't work that way, we end up with 10 times the
amount of stress that we would normally have if we just take
the next step. We just keep on walking in
different ways. Magical.
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, isn't it?
It's it's, I think that individual, I would say, well,
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that's a great product of your culture because we're
indoctrinated into that narrative.
The, it's my circumstances that are creating my internal
experience. And if I 100% believe that I
will be disempowered, I'll be inthat victim consciousness and I
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won't be able to, to change anything.
So being being open to the idea that we have, you know, it's
that old cliche, isn't it? I'm taking me wherever I go,
that's it. So I do need to kind of look, I
need to look inside. And I think the looking inwards
is that that's the word, isn't it?
The old Gandhi quota. Be the change you want to see in
the world. Right to the Ginny.
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The look inward first, which I think is particularly difficult
in in a world where we're invited to look outside of
ourselves continually to, you know, the flashing lights going
off. You know, the Internet is always
on social media, You know, which, you know, the fast pace
of life, people are, are trying to keep up with things.
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So right, constantly looking outside of themselves and taking
that time to look inward and knowing that, well, actually
could be a lot simpler. If I, if I come in and I believe
that there's, there's a, a wisdom, there's a true self
within me, you know, a soul, whatever you would want to call
it, a flow of consciousness and that will guide me.
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You know, I'll often say that as, as almost like a mantra to
my clients is give over the heavy lifting to your true self.
You don't have to figure it all out.
You know, in our minds based culture, we want to know all the
steps, don't we? It's like, I've got to know
exactly what's going to happen when I've got to figure it all
out. And it's like, no, you don't
wait. What are you getting a lot of
those questions? Yeah, I know what you mean.
Is that trusted that wisdom is going to be there to guide me so
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I can do less? So yeah, that that's, I suppose
that's a, that's a big piece forme.
Yeah, it's, it's difficult. I the group keeps talking about
the fact that, that we're all looking for our path.
We're looking for our path of quickest evolution.
We're looking for our path of least resistance.
We're looking for all these easypaths through the past.
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That's most effective. They say you don't actually make
the path until your foot almost hits the ground.
That's when you create it and you can change it anytime you
want. If we just take that power and
we change it inside, we don't change it outside.
That's that's some magical, magical work to to work with.
Fascinating. And there's a, there's a,
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there's an interesting point. And that's one thing I find, and
you probably see this as well, is the people that are really
concerned about making a wrong decision.
Oh, yeah. So it's either making a wrong
decision or if I start going down that path, I've got to
continue going down it. And you know, so I say probably
as you would say, well, what if there's no right and wrong?
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What if you were on path A or the path B?
You just have a different experience and you always have
the potential and the possibility and the choice to
change and to go for path C or Dor E, But you've got to be
empowered enough to recognize, all right, if I feel a guidance
to shift path, I can do that. And I'm it's just an experience
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anyway. And my soul wants experience so.
Well, you know, that's it. Sometimes we actually script and
when we talk about contracts that we made on the other side
of the veil, sometimes we made contracts to step in the mud
puddle to to run across a brick wall, to be able to experience
some of these things many times because we've done it lifetime
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after lifetime after lifetime. And we've always said why me?
What's you know, what am I doingwrong rather than just dealing
with the issues and and trying to grow from it.
Yeah, there, there's just incredible similarities there.
And you're absolutely right about everything shifting so
much. It's, it was so strange when I
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started channeling 25 years ago,about 27 years ago, it
channeling was on the edge. I mean, people looked at me and
they say, well, how do you protect yourself and how do you
know if they're the good guys and not the bad guys?
And how do you, you know, how you going to do this?
There's a lot of hesitation about that word channeling and
everything else today, it's really commonplace.
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It's not only a commonplace, butit's used.
I've done corporate seminars, I've done a lot of things to be
able to give people a different view of themselves in different
ways of that nature. And it's accepted because the
reality is it's a different view.
It's not perfectly right, it's not perfectly wrong.
There is no right or wrong. We just got to deal with these
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things and work with them in different ways.
That's what the group is really working with a lot now.
They're trying to anchor us intowhat they call the 5th
dimension. We've been anchored in the field
of duality in the third dimension.
And now we're moving out into a whole different way of looking
at things and many of the truthswe've been talking about for a
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very long time. But now they're evolving and
it's, it's really getting an exciting time, exciting time to
be here. I'm really glad.
This interesting fact, dualisticperspective, how that shows up
for people is, I mean, so often I, you know, people will say to
me, well, I can either do this or I can do that, right?
Or either do it or I don't do it.
Or it's right or wrong, up and down, love and fear, all the all
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the opposites. It's kind of.
And it worked for us in the lower vibrations of the third
dimension. But today it's getting in our
way and the group has a really interesting way of talking about
They say basically the first dimension was unity.
It's what we call God. It would We're all together,
we're all part of each other. We had to go through the 2nd
dimension to get to the third dimension.
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We picked up the imprints of duality, we picked up the ego,
we picked up different things that we were going to need to
live there. And now we're trying to go
through the 4th dimension, get new imprints to live in the 5th
dimension, and we have to release many of the things that
we picked up in the second dimension.
Kind of a challenge. Kind of a challenge.
But it is, isn't it? It's disorientating because it's
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already becoming something else.We're becoming something new.
And of course the ego wants to hold on to who I was.
That's it. And this is where the kind of
ideas of being in the present, allowing your experience,
removing judgement from your experience, practicing self
compassion, all those sorts of, you know, phrases and words that
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we throw around. I'm actually a really hard to
do, particularly, you know, in the stormy waters that we're
trying to work our way through. But yeah, it's, it's, it's
interesting in certainly interesting times and you know,
interesting shifts, but useful to look at it as as exciting
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times. Well, that's it.
Yeah, it is. You know, we've, we look around,
we look at politics, we look at economies, we look at all the
things that we think build our world and all the control of
different things and so forth. And we feel helpless.
We feel like we're not really incontrol.
We're being manipulated. And yeah, of course we're being
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manipulated. Every time we turn on the
television, every time we pick up the newspaper and see an ad,
we're being manipulated. But that's just part of the
game. And we don't have to buy into
all that stuff. We can take our own power.
We can look at these things and go, OK, there's there's another
view, I'll take that in. But the reality is I'm
responsible for me. And that's the hard part for a
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lot of people to really do, you know, And we see the challenges.
We've seen a lot of change. We've seen massive changes here
in the United States and the UK having to do with politics,
crazy stuff going on, that goingon globally.
The reality is it really fits insome of the larger aspects.
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The group just recently remindedme of something we used to say
all the time that, you know, in I think it's Hindi, that it came
from the the story of the Shaktiand the Shiva.
The Shakti has to come in and destroy everything so that the
Shiva can rebuild it. We're in those times and that
can be very exciting and lots ofopportunities and some wonderful
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opportunities for us to rid ourselves of some of these
things and step forward in a whole new way.
Absolutely. It's interesting, isn't it?
I mean, I think for with any evolutionary process, whether
it's an individual, a building, Rd. works, a culture, there is a
period of chaos when you go fromthe old to to the new.
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We're in that period now. But yeah, one of the interesting
things for me is, is in the times we're living is, is the
importance of staying away from fear.
When we had COVID, I went on theTV here in, in the UK and I was
asked about it and, and people'sresponses.
And I, I said, and this was whatat the start where it really
kicked off. But one thing that I wanted
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people to be aware of was how emotion spreads.
And I said I, I think that fear and the impact of that could be
more damaging than the COVID five hours of South, you know,
and that I think that kind of played out really.
And I think it's one of the things that we can have in the
world at the moment is that if we turn on the TV and watch the
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news and see all the things thatare happening, we can quite
easily get pulled into that, youknow, feel fear and that and
begin to radiate fear. And that's what we don't want to
be doing. Yeah, we're conscious creators.
If we feel it, we'll create it. It's real simple.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, that, that's tricky,
isn't it? So it's, you know, how, how do
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people deal with that? I think, again, I think it all
starts with the awareness of what's happening is that, well,
I'm going to be energetically influenced by the things that I
expose myself to. So maybe I will watch the news
as much, but be aware of that. That's the responsibility I
think for us is the what's the energy that I'm carrying?
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Because that's going to be influencing the way I see the
world is going to be influencingwhat shows up in my life and the
people around me as well. So I think that we all have a
responsibility for ourselves andalmost to each other because we
can collectively and we are we, we can collectively raise the
vibration by tuning to ourselves.
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That's it. Little by little we're
responsible for our world aroundus and and our own happiness.
That's that's the hardest part about it.
We always look for all the influences around us.
I will be happy when the realityis fear and unhappiness in
general is only an attachment tosome idea that you have about
the future. It's a timeline trick.
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And even our astrophysicists arenow starting to say things that
the group said quite some time ago, that time is an illusion.
It's a it's a human construct that we had to create in order
to see our world in this, in this whole idea of being a
spirit pretending to be a human.Absolutely fascinating stuff.
Kay, I mean that, that whole time thing.
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I, I, I always had questions about that when my kids were
small, they'd say things like orDad, do do you remember when we
did this last year? And it was like we'd done it
this morning or Dad, do you remember when we did this
yesterday and we'd done it like last year?
And I, I thought, well, this is really interesting.
Is it that they their brains learn the the the, the notion,
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the construct of time because they're surrounded by it and
they learn how to, you know, kind of construct time?
I don't know. It was just something that came.
I just thought it was really interesting with with case.
No, they're going to do. This the group has been talking
a lot about the illusion of time.
They've also said that that in fact, that there are a lot of
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people that are here holding energy from 300 years in the
future that have come back in time, which opens up the idea.
We've had all kinds of questionsabout time travel.
How do you do that? What is that?
They're not really talking aboutthat as much as the fact that
we're spirits. We're only have brief
incarnations here that only lasteighty 100 years probably at the
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most. And we only have time to play
this game in this way. And then we go home and we
refresh and we're back to our natural selves.
In so many ways. That's really what the idea is.
But they've also said that the time is circular is actually
spiral, not pretty much like everything else in the in the
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world. They talk a lot about the the
toroid, the Taurus around their physical body, around the earth,
the magnetic fields, all the other things and how that works.
Got some fascinating aspects of things that are absolutely
starting to not, and they're moving out of metaphysics into
the physical world. And it's absolutely amazing to
watch as some of these new things are being grasped and
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used in different ways. I'm very excited to be here, I
think. I think it's those sorts of
things show up, don't they, because you had you just had a
birthday. You know, that's a birthday
every year. But, you know, people often talk
about, this is happening to me again.
You know, on my journey, I've, I've had plenty of experiences
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of, oh, I thought I was done with this.
Yeah. I thought I'd mastered this.
And I like, and I have that sense of, and it feels like a
spiral of what I'm experiencing is not quite the same as the way
I experienced it last time, but I'm still having an experience
again. So there's obviously more for me
to look. But that said, I think it shows
up in all of our lives. That spiral is, is kind of
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evident everywhere, isn't it, when we begin to look.
So it's really interesting to know that it exists.
On that metaphysical level as well as, you know, in the micro
level of our, of our, you know, our life.
It's fascinating, Kyle, we're going to have to do some work
together. We've got some so many different
things in common. You've got another angle, a
different view here that really fits into a lot of our work and
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brings new aspects from both of us.
We're we're going to do some we're going to do some fun
things together. I'm, I'm really looking forward
to it here in this year. Once we got this website moved
and some other things, we're we'll, we'll, we'll get to this
very quickly. I really enjoyed our time
together. Sir, is there anything you'd
like to leave everybody with? Well, that's a big question,
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isn't it? Well, that's a leave, sorry.
I didn't give you any warning about that.
Really, it's it's the you you are designed to thrive and look
inside. Trust in trust your wisdom
because it's always there. But the, the way I like to think
about this with, with clients isthat it's almost like we've got
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clouds around our head and we know when there's clouds, the
blue sky is always there. We have a lot of clouds in this
country, not so much in Vegas, but there's a lot in this
country. We know the blue sky is always
there. And so that the, the, the, our
ability to thrive and to flourish and to fear locate, to
have Peace of Mind is there. And it's not actually always
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about doing more. It's in many instances about
doing less and trusting and looking inside and being
empowered. So it's that thing of give over
the heavy lifting of, you know, if there's a lot going on in
your life, give over the the, the heavy lifting of figuring
out all of the steps that you know to your true self
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untrusted. It's almost like you, you've got
something bad that's hugging youwith looking after you and it
communicates with you through knowing realizations, intuitive
wisdom. And when you at any moment it's
entirely possible for you to feel OK, just come back into the
present, breathe anger in and you can begin to, you know,
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almost like what we're like taking your hand off a ball
that's being held underwater. It bounces to the surface so
great. We we connect with ourselves, We
begin to regain that that Peace of Mind.
So that was a long one message to be able to listen.
No, that's, that's what I call channeling.
That's exactly it. I I've always the groups always
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said everybody channels. They call it something
different. They all, they all focus it in
little different ways and it comes in different ways.
So ignite your channel, try to learn to trust it and use it.
Absolutely magical. Kyle, thank you so much.
Tell people how they can reach you.
Mainly through the website energyflowcoaching.com or if
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you're a business it would be Energy Flow business.com.
Oh, perfect. Perfect.
Carl Davies, thank you so much for being on the podcast today.
You're you're a wonderful healer, Sir.
We're honored to have you here with us.
And like I said, we're going to do some work together.
Absolutely. Thanks.
Thanks very much for having me. OK.
We'll turn you back to the studio.
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