Emily Whitehurst: The Journey from Tsunami Bomb to Survival Guide

Have you ever wondered how Emily Whitehurst, fondly known as Agent M, went from the much-loved "Mushy Love Song" to a Twitch Streaming, cover recording, cookie baking, solo artist? Well, brace yourself for an intriguing conversation! This sensational episode takes you on the dynamic journey of Emily, from her days as the frontwoman of the eclectic punk band Tsunami Bomb, onto her  latest release, Death Dreams (out October 19th)!

We promise you a fly-on-the-wall perspective into the punk scene as Emily reminisces about her time on the Warped Tour, how her experiences in LA led to the writing of "Dawn on a Funeral Day", and her decision to branch out, discovering a unique sound while creating The Action Design. We navigate the early years of Survival Guide, including her streaming on Twitch and how it built her confidence and helped shape her current music career.

In the final leg of our conversation, we get candid with Emily about the re-recording of old Tsunami Bomb tracks, the changing dynamics of female-fronted punk bands, and the exhilarating thrill of performing on stage. Not to miss, the pop punk trivia game after which the artist formerly known as Agent M wows us with her Lord of the Rings nerdom.  Join us for a heartwarming chat with Emily, as we celebrate her remarkable journey from punk beginnings to solo successes.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
What's up everybody?
Hello, hello, welcome.
I am your host, the currentreigning and defending third
worst chess player on kick KD215, and this is the Bad Chess
Podcast.
Ah guys, the late Dick Clarkoften reminded us that music is
the soundtrack of our lives.

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We use it to celebrate andmourn.
It can relax us or pun plus up.
Music is a part of who we are.
It defines us as a species andas individuals.
Over the course of growing up,our musical tastes change,
oftentimes to fit the currentseason, but the bands that we
feel connected to as teenagersand young adults seem to stick

(00:51):
with us forever.
Most people find themselvesgravitating towards the pop
music of the day, swooning overperformers like the Beatles in
sync or Taylor Swift.
Others are attracted to outliergenres like hip hop or metal.
For me, my love was punk music.
I was raised on bands like theoffspring, no effects and bad
religion.
Music in this genre wasn'talways easy to find.

(01:13):
Back then, to discover newbands, my friends and I would
trade cassette mix tapes, and itwas on one of those tapes that
I first heard today's guest.
Her music became such anintegral part of many of my
young adult memories and as Igrew and matured, drifting from
my angsty punk era to adulthood.
So did she, originally knownonly as Agent M.
For more than 25 years, emilyWhitehurst has been the

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soundtrack of my life, and ifyou're unfamiliar with her work,
here is a quick, mostlyaccurate introduction auto

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programme scenery.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
you hide you from his eyes.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Welcome to the show.
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
I didn't.
I didn't hear the random music.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Oh well.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I did.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Good, I want you to know this.
This interview is certainlygoing to be one of the
highlights of my life.
We we discussed that before inadvance.
You, you have really been, as Isaid in the intro, your music
aged with me and grew with me.
I think we're both very closein age.
I don't want to, I don't wantto spoil how old the other one
of us are.

(03:03):
So, you know, it's just, it'sreally cool to have you on.
So thank you so much for comingand I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
That video you put together wasreally awesome.
You pulled out some superrandom clips there, so it's all
YouTube.
I don't even remember filmingthat.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
So you, you have a new album coming out this fall.
It's called Death Dream, andwe're going to talk about a
little later.
I don't I want to spend a lot oftime talking about survival
guide, but it would really be adisservice to everybody if we
didn't talk about, you know,tsunami bomb and action design.
I mean soon.
Tsunami bomb to me was a verygenre defining group in terms of

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female vocalists in punk bands.
You know, prior to bands liketsunami bomb and it wasn't just
you guys.
Obviously there were otherbands at the time.
But if you remember the people,the generation right before you
X-ray specs, for example, itwas a lot of that heavy
screaming music, and tsunamibomb was much more.
It was.
There was definitely screamingin the beginning, but it was
much more melodic.

(04:16):
You know, vocalists coming fromfemale singers.
How did you guys develop thatsound?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, the sound was very kind of all over the place.
When I first joined the band.
We had some like the earlieststuff is like spooky and almost
like the original guitar playerwas like a rockabilly guy and

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the original drummer was justlike a straight rock guy.
It was just kind of this weirdmishmash of music.
And when we started writing forthe first EP it just was like
let's make this more punk, likelet's get, let's get more, more

(05:09):
punk.
Just, I don't know if you'refamiliar with the really old
material at all.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Oh, like Invasion from within and prior to that.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, I mean Invasion was kind of on the border of
that.
It was like there's some songsthat are like sound like pirate
songs, which is not bad, it'snot a bad thing, but yeah, it
was just.
It was just an interestingcollection of sounds and I was
coming from a pop punk like justa straight up like happy three

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piece pop punk band beforetsunami bomb.
So when I joined the band itwas like the stuff that was
already written was cool and wedid.
We we continued to do a fewlike interesting, weird things,
but then we were like let's justget more, let's get more punk.
But I've never been really muchof a screamer, so I'm all about

(06:02):
melody and yeah, so that thatdefinitely was.
I've always written all of myown lyrics and melodies, for the
most part, so yeah, I supposethat was my influence.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
You talked about coming from another band and you
and I spoke about this brieflybefore we started the stream.
One of the songs that I thinkwas the most people's first
introduction to you is a mushylove song.
I think a lot of people fromour generation have heard that
song and most people equate thatwith the tsunami bomb song, but
it was in fact not a tsunamibomb song, correct?

(06:40):
It was the Plinkies, or PlinkyPlinky.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yes, just one singular Plinky.
Yes, yeah, it was.
It was initially a Plinky songand when I joined tsunami bomb
it was like they only hadbecause they had another singer
before me for about six monthsor so and they had maybe like

(07:05):
six songs.
So when I joined the band itwas like, well, let's, why don't
we carry over?
What do you guys think aboutmushy love song?
You know like it's, this couldgo, this is, you know, this kind
of fits.
So we started playing it intsunami bomb as well, and it's
interesting because we neverreleased it as a tsunami bomb

(07:29):
song because it was on the splitthat the first tsunami bomb
release ever was a split seveninch with Plinky and I was on
both sides.
So mushy love song was was onthe Plinky side of that seven
inch and then we just played itlive.
So I'm actually curious whereyou heard it.

(07:52):
Was it like a bootleg copy orwas it?

Speaker 1 (07:55):
a video or it was definitely a bootleg copy was?
No, it was on a cassette tape.
Somebody gave me a cassettetape with mushy love song on it
and then I remember there was arecord store in New Jersey where
I grew up called vintage vinyland somebody had written in the
line you know, on the cassettetape that it was tsunami bomb.

(08:15):
And so I remember going tovintage vinyl and looking and
they had a vinyl and I want tosay the cover.
And I don't remember what thecover looked like.
Please don't ask.
It was so many years ago.
I'm sold.
I feel like it was photocopied,like the cover.
Yeah that was it.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
That was B movie queens.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, it was.
It was cool I had.
I had a like I think I had twovinyls of tsunami bomb and I
also had the original, whichwe'll get to action design in a
minute.
I feel like the action design.
There were a couple ofdifferent versions of that first
EP and I had like a four trackone and a five track.
Am I remembering that correctly.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, we, yeah, we did.
We did a couple of differentreleases of that, of that first
action design stuff.
So yeah, you're right about Bmovie queens, we photocopied
that ourselves at King goes andcut them out and assembled them
and so that I definitely hadthat.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
That is the one that I had.
Yeah, so when tsunami bombfirst started, you were in your
late teens and, if I recallcorrectly, you guys were very
prolific touring band Right.
What was that like at such ayoung age?
You were touring as much as youguys did.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I mean, I loved it.
I thought it was super fun.
We didn't tour when I firstjoined the band, like I probably
wasn't 19, when, or you knowwell, actually I don't know, I'm
not going to try to do the mathright now, but but yeah, I
guess I was pretty young.

(09:53):
It was like just a bigadventure and I feel like it
actually shaped me a lot as anadult, like going from, you know
, being a teen and thentraveling all over, just having
to solve all kinds of you knowdilemmas that come up as you're

(10:17):
touring around in a van that'sbound to fall apart and finding
places to stay and figuring outwhat to eat, and a lot of that
was before we even had cellphones.
So we had, you know, we, whenwe were able to start printing
out maps, we were like this isamazing.

(10:38):
We started out with an atlas,that is.
That is, showing how old, howold we are right now.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I would also like to point out some of your earlier
music.
I'm sure I got for free onNapster no offense, I was a kid.
I didn't really, you know, havemoney to go spending on albums.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
I never had anything against Napster, I'm not, lars.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
So as a tsunami bomb progressed, you guys did a lot
of warp tour and a lot of timeswhen I mentioned tsunami bomb
everybody always says, oh, Iremember them from warp tours
and I remember the band's thatare very much iconically linked
with the war.
For how, how did that come intoplay?
For how did that fall in theplace?
For you guys, like, how did youget linked up with the warped
or ended up doing so many datesover over those years with them?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
We I mean, we started at the bottom.
We started with getting on thesmallest, smallest side stage
for a week, and I don't rememberhow we even did that, how we
achieved that goal.
And that was like before.

(11:50):
I think it was at the pointwhere there were only like five
stages maybe on warp tour and wegot on a tiny stage and and it
was so brutal but so fun.
And then we just, you know,hounded them again the next year
and they gave us two weeks thenext year and then we asked for

(12:13):
another you know round of it,and then they booked us for the
whole, the whole tour.
So in 2003, we were on it forthe entire summer, which was so
much fun I loved warp tours somuch and then we did do once.
We did it once more for anothertwo weeks, I think in 2005.
So it was kind of like, andthen action design played it A

(12:36):
couple times.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
My childhood I went to so many warp tours and when
the first time I met you, I hadmentioned that you were my white
whale.
I, no matter where I was or howmany shows I went to, and you
guys were always playing.
I never got to see tsunamibomber action design and I can't
imagine why I wasn't at thatwarp tour, but I just never was

(13:00):
at a warp tour that you guyswere at.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
That's too bad.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, we were always playing the last album that was
released by tsunami bomb was thedefinitive act, and there was,
I think it was, the single fromit.
There is a music video of itdawn on a funeral day.
Yeah, when I first heard thesong, it immediately struck me
that you were writing about yourfrustrations with the business

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side of the music industry, andso I was not surprised a year
later when tsunami bomb broke up.
Those frustrations that youwere singing about in the song
were those part of what led tothat breakup?
I mean, were you kind ofwriting your own obituary at
that point, if you will?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
I feel like dawn on a funeral day was kind of.
It was somewhat about that, butit was more about just sort of
the LA culture, specificallybecause we were spending so much
time in LA and that's not wherewe lived.
We were just constantly downthere because we had managers

(14:05):
and the label and everythinghappened in LA and I felt very
it just it's like such a weirdplace because it's sunny all the
time and you know, the weatheris beautiful and whatnot, and
all the people are.
It's just it's a very weirdculture.

(14:28):
I feel like Now that I'm notspending so much time there, I
can enjoy it more, but at thetime I just it was really
bringing me down just the waythat the what I perceived to be
you know, the people that I wasworking with it was like

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everyone just was trying to geta better place in life.
Everyone was trying to getahead, you know, at all costs,
like, and it just is not.
I don't know.
It just didn't feel good.
This didn't feel good, but yes,I would say that that all tied

(15:12):
in together when we broke up itwas just kind of like.
It was kind of like everythingwas was falling apart at the
same time Our bass player hadquit, which I loved playing with

(15:33):
him, like he was such a goodfriend and a really good person,
matt, our bass player and andso we were going to have to look
for a new bass player, and ourtour manager had quit and Our
there were issues with the labeland there were issues within

(15:56):
our management team and it justwas like this is not, like
there's nothing that's strongright now about tsunami bomb and
about this.
Like you know, the band itselfwas kind of in pieces and so was
everything else.
So, yeah, we just we decided toquit while we're ahead, kind of

(16:18):
.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Hey sense.
But you weren't out of musiclong, right.
So action design, pretty much,I feel like you took a little
break and then, immediately onmy space, you guys were like,
check this out.
I got a new project, actiondesign, and, and I remember you
were asking people on my space,you were looking for a certain
synthesizer, if I recallcorrectly, and you're like, does

(16:40):
anybody have one of these?
And I was like, oh boy, this isgonna be a totally different
sound.
That I was.
I was nervous, like I hope, Ihope I like it.
But, um, action design, I Felt,were some of the strongest songs
that you know you had writtenand performed.
I think that the sound that youcreated and it is a definitely

(17:01):
a unique sound for the time wasWas really great and I was
always disappointed that itdidn't go further than what it
was, because I felt that youknow that was a I you had.
We had just left an error whereIndy Rock was everywhere.
And had you done action design,I think, two years earlier, I

(17:22):
think you guys would have beensignificantly bigger it.
Just when you develop thatsound right now did you say to
yourself I want to distancemyself from, from that punk
scene.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
I want to do something different, or Kind of,
yeah, I, I definitely felt, atthe end of tsunami bomb we were,
we were about to be faced withwriting our third record, our
third full-length, and it justfelt very Restricted as far as

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what it could be, because it'slike punk is is punk, you know,
at least that's what we were andit Felt like, and I mean part
of this is is me, you know,perceiving that, or Historically
seeing that people, you know,would get upset if a band did

(18:18):
something out of the ordinary.
I guess, like a punk band doessomething that's weird and
people would be upset about it.
And I, you know, maybe I shouldnot have tried to Pre, you know
, tried to guess what peoplewould have thought if I wanted

(18:40):
to do something different withtsunami bomb.
But, um, yeah, I felt likebranching out, so like action
design, adding keyboards made itso we could have all different
types of Music.
You know, there's some songswhere there's electronic drums,
there's some songs that are likedisco-y, almost.
It's just a broader spectrum ofwhat you get on a on an action

(19:09):
design record, I think, asopposed to a musically, as
opposed to a tsunami bomb recordalthough I Must say I have
nothing against punk I wanted todo more with music, but punk is
definitely part of my life andit always, always will be.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Okay, um, so action design it lasted five, six years
and you kind of that.
That went away and you wentinto survival guide and I feel
like Action design and survivalguide were natural evolutions of
of themselves, right?
So the keyboard stayed, some ofthe synth sound stayed and some

(19:51):
of the certainly with theearlier survival guide stuff,
some of the Harder drum beatswhen it was.
Is that accurate?
Am I?
Am I saying that right?

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, totally it's.
And it's because we you know,jason, who was the guitar player
for action design, and IStarted survival guide as a
two-piece.
So we were like let's not,let's just start something and
not try to have a drummer and abass player, because I don't

(20:25):
know.
We were at a.
We were in a place where wefelt like you know nothing,
everything was totally Fine whenwe, when action design, broke
up, like there's no bad blood oranything like those are some of
the greatest guys that I'veever played with.
But it was kind of like aDisagreeing on like where, like

(20:49):
the trajectory of what we wantedthe band to do and the goals
and the amount of shows and thatkind of stuff.
And it's like In action design,if you have, if we had somebody
who was like, oh, another show,like I can't, I that's, this is
too many shows.
Or our drummer got tired oftouring and he actually was Like
I'm, this is my last tour atone point, and so Jason and I

(21:14):
were like, well, let's, let'snot mess with this anymore, like
let's just.
You know, we know, we both knowthat we really want to do this
thing and we can Do it as atwo-piece and maybe it'll be
good.
We'll see what we can do, butthe two-piece didn't last, right

(21:36):
?
I mean, it was only the firstfew years.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
And then you, immediately, you know, you
transition to a solo and, yeah,you, you re-release some of the
songs you did too as a two-piece.
Right, it wasn't in live andalone, where you just recorded
them by yourself again.
Uh-huh, yeah, that I meanmainly.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I just felt like at that point I, I wasn't sure what
I was doing and I justDefinitely was not confident
enough to start writing songs bymyself.
I didn't know if I wanted to dothat, I didn't know what I was
doing.
But I was like, well, if I wantto do music, I should do
something.
So why don't I do an acoustic,some acoustic re-imaginings of

(22:17):
these electronic, you know,dancey synth songs?
So that was why I did that liveand alone.
But yeah it um.
So I was like I was like I waslike I was like I was like I was
like I was like I was like Iwas like, yeah it um.
Survival Guide became aone-piece For the same I like
the same similar reasons asaction design stopping.

(22:39):
It was like Jason didn't wantto do as much as I wanted to do
With music anymore.
So I was like, well, I'm notgonna replace him, I'm just
gonna see what I can do bymyself and just try to do this
solo.
Then I won't have to depend onanybody anymore.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I'm fairly certain I saw one of your first
performances, solo, right whereyou did a whole set in New York
Right.
That was very early on to goingto.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I spent a number ofyears not sure what I was doing
and I still, I still am tryingto figure out my live show, so
I'm hoping that death dreamswill be sort of a new era.
I'm working with a, with a livedrummer, which I have done in

(23:29):
the past as Survival Guide, butbut it was never like a.
It was kind of like oh, this isa fun thing, but I don't want
to depend on anyone else and Ithink I can do both.
I think I can work with adrummer or other musicians
whenever they're available, andif they're not, then I can play

(23:50):
shows by myself.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
So no, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Oh, I was just going to say that.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I, if I remember correctly too, the the, the show
that I saw in New York when youwere first starting to do the
live acoustic stuff.
That's when you started tobranch out and do ad covers to
your set, like you did.
You did a little mermaid cover,yes, which did I do?

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Okay, oh, no, you go ahead.
No, no, no, finish, I know Idid.
I also did a Lana Del Rey thatnight.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
You did do Lana Del Rey that night.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
And maybe Paula Abdul .

Speaker 1 (24:35):
I don't believe.
No, so straight up you did anamazing cover of straight up and
I believe it was raining andwhen you listen to the recording
and like on really goodspeakers, you can hear the rain
hitting and I think it addssomething to the song.
But I remember I kind of Ithink it was the, the version of

(24:56):
straight up that you did thatkind of brought me into survival
guy in the first place, becauseI kind of you know, you had
slowed down for that period oftime, for a couple years, and
then all of a sudden that cameout and I remember saying wow,
that's some really good.
It was just you and a keyboardand it was really good.
And then I was surely afterthat I saw you were playing in
New York and I was like I haveto go.
And I remember to the New Yorkshow you were due, you were

(25:18):
going to end with a tsunami bombsong and they were like, oh,
you're out of time.
And you're like, no, I'm doingthis song, yeah, I forgot, I
forgot it.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
That was like kind of a surprise that I did.
I did a tsunami bomb on piano.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
But then you started twitch streaming.
We're on kick right now.
You know I brought her overguys.
Just hey, remember that Ibrought her to kick first,
anyway.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
I've never been here before.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
So you started twitch streaming, you started doing
more covers, and that led you tonot one, but two albums of just
cover songs.
Yes, and you know I'm sorry, Igrew up in New Jersey and I've
just I've had to.
I've wanted to say this to youfor a long time.
You did a cover of BruceSpringsteen's no Surrender and

(26:08):
you readily admitted that youhad never heard the song before
you covered it, and that issacrilegious to people from New
Jersey, I'm just saying I knowI've realized that I should quit
revealing, because all of thewell, almost all the covers were
requests from people on myPatreon.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
So I, I, you know the the reward was that I would
cover, I'd record whatever songpeople wanted me to.
So there are a lot that I hadnever heard before, which to me
is like oh, this is cool, I'venever heard this.
I mean, it's a challenge for me, I'm going to learn it like
from scratch.
Uh, but I I didn't really thinkabout how, how, that some

(26:50):
people would be like what you'venever heard, this Bruce
Springsteen song, how dare you.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
And I want to say I think it's the best track on
that first album you.
It is a great reimagining ofthe song it's.
It has become my favoriteversion of that song and I'm not
the biggest Bruce Springsteenfan, but that's a really good
song.
But your version of it is itwas really good and I think you
were able to do that nicereimagining because you weren't

(27:18):
overly familiar with the song,so you weren't trying to hear
the original song and what youwere doing, you were just trying
to make it your own.
That's.
I think that's why it ended upso good.
Well, thank you.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
I remember recording that one, uh, feeling like I was
really feeling those lyricsactually, because I was like
that was when I had firststarted my Patreon I had first
decided like, okay, yes, I'mgoing to do that, I'm going to
do what I can to continueSurvival Guide on my own, even
though I'm scared.
Uh, and the lyrics to that oneare just like it's literally

(27:53):
talking about how his you knowhe he's got friends in a in
bands and they Hang out and playmusic and then people drop off
and, and you know, peopledisappear after a while.
And I was just like I'm reallyfeeling this in my closet

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singing this song.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
And then when you, when you did the second album,
um, the first album was a lot ofjust you and your, your
keyboard, but in the secondalbum you got much heavier with
production Right.
And then you got a version ofum, a happy ending right, which
I mean is really great and verywell produced, yeah, Everlovine.
So what made you decide to addall the additional production

(28:38):
for the second album?

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Uh, mainly I was just gaining more knowledge about
recording myself and I wasbranching out with different
instruments and sounds andgetting a little bit better at
recording myself.

(29:00):
Like the whole project was, umwas so beneficial for me.
Um, I think it was a really funproject.
I mean, I'm still I'm kind ofstill doing it because I do
there are some songs that Istill owe to some patrons, um,
so, but it was just really LikeI'm so thankful for that whole

(29:25):
project because I not only did Iget to create music
specifically for the people thatwere helping me stay in music,
but I also had to learn I I useit as a learning opportunity, um

(29:49):
, and I also had to reallyovercome vulnerability too,
because at first I was like, oh,these are just garbage songs
that I recorded and I didn'teven know if I wanted to share
them with all the patrons orjust the one person who
requested it, um, but then, as Icontinued to work on them, I

(30:13):
was kind of like you know what Ishould?
Just, I should just releasethese.
Like they're not perfect,they're so far from perfect, um,
but they were really fun tomake and, um, I don't know I
should.
I just need to let go of.
You know the the worry aboutbeing a musician.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
It's been.
It's been a really big part ofmy uh of my journey was doing
all those covers.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Obviously, you know we were talking about the
evolution, you know, of survivalguide and hearing it through
those albums, but you brought upyour Patreon so many times, so
I just want to point out thatyou have one of the more
interesting patrons I've I'veseen.
You are very interactive witheverybody on your Patreon.
You're very interactive witheverybody when you stream and on

(31:05):
your discord.
You you were always doing thelyric sheets and sending them
out to people and so manypersonalized things that you
give to people that support youthat you don't commonly see that
with artists and so I alwaysthought that was cool that you
did that.
Thank, you.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I just I really value the people who, um, who are
here to listen to me.
You know, make music, so I wantto give something back, more
than just the music.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
So where do the chocolate chip cookies come into
play?
They are a staple of her stream.
If you guys have never seen herstream, or chocolate chip
cookies.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
So what does that come from?
Um, I just, I just, you know,when setting up my Twitch
channel, it was like I was sooverwhelmed because there are so
many bells and whistles.
It's like you have to havelittle badge.
You can, you can customize your, your badge icons, you know,
for different uh sub levels, andyou can customize your emotes.

(32:13):
You can customize pop ups andlike there's so much that I just
felt like I wanted to have acookie emote.
I just was like I want to putsome treats as emotes and um,
and that it just has been areally fun feature of my.

(32:37):
I mean, I love baking, I lovecookies, so that was just I
couldn't, I, I felt like Ineeded to include that in my
channel.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Uh, Paco Jacor in our chat, is uh filling the chat
with cookies right now?

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Oh, yay Paco.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I can't see the chat.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
No sorry.
It's okay Um and it's not justcookies, by the way.
You guys have expanded to allsorts of baked goods.
Get sent to people as they popin your Twitch.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yes, yes, we have a treat command on Twitch.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
We have a, we have a dance command on our, on our
stream.
Oh yeah, um.
So, as you pointed out, back tosurvival guide.
You know, you, you, you grewmusically and you know, you kind
of honed your survival guidestyle as you were going through
the two cover albums and nowthat kind of brings us to to

(33:36):
where we are today over the.
You've released quite a few newsingles recently, yeah, and
they are all hugely differentthan the original survival guide
and still all really good, andI can hear influences of some of
the artists that you covered.
I hear influences of action,design in it.

(33:56):
I hear influences of ofeverything.
How did you get to this, tothis sound that you're at now?
What made you decide?
This is it.
This is what.
I'm feeling positive, I'mfeeling confident.
These are, this is the sound Iwant, going forward.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Well, I first off, I love that you're hearing all
those influences in there,because it really like it's true
.
It's true, there's some songswhere I was thinking what would,
what would Maddie Dirtbike doon bass in this song?
Um I, how did I gain theconfidence to write these songs?

(34:31):
Was that the question?

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Sure, if that's the question you want to answer.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Or was it how?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
did.
Usually, I'm way more to thepoint with my questions, but oh,
no, it wasn't you.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
I just got stuck on how you heard the influence of
action design.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
It's definitely me a misinterpreter, I hope.
I hope at the very least peoplecan see or, if you're listening
to the audio version, only canhear the joy in my voice as I've
been interviewing you as.
So I'm much more nervous than Inormally am, but it is coming
from a place of pure joy andelation.
To have the opportunity to dothis, it's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Well, you seem, you seem completely put together.
To me it's all good, um, so the, the sound, so, so the
confidence, let's, let's make ita two part.
The confidence was really thatcovers, all those covers that I
did, like that really, reallyled me to feel like I could make

(35:35):
some decent demos, like that I,that I could do some stuff with
instrumentation, because that'sbeen my, my block the whole
time is like, wow, I, now I haveto write all the music.
Before it was like I wouldwrite some of the music and I
would write the lyrics andmelodies and vocals, but now
it's like I need to start a songout of thin air, Like I need to

(35:59):
start with a blank, withsilence, and create a song and
my goal is to create an entirealbum.
So doing those covers reallylaid the groundwork for that.
Um, and I did take a couple ofclasses.
I took like some online Um, Isigned up for masterclass and I

(36:22):
did like the Timbaland uh classand Alicia Keys, and like I, I,
you know, I, I gathered someconfidence that way.
Some little bits of you know,be true to yourself, you know
stuff like that and um, and thesound of it.
I did not have any specificdirection that I set out to go

(36:51):
in.
I would sit down and write asection of a keyboard and then I
would think of what should Iadd to this?
And it just ended up the way itended up.
The only thing I can say that Idid want to do was I wanted to

(37:15):
get back to some more strongvocals not necessarily punk rock
vocals, but I love singingloudly, and when I hear the
first Survival Guide album, Idid have to listen through that

(37:39):
record recently because I had toorder some more CDs and I was
like, wow, I sang all of theseso softly.
I was working on my soft voice,so in this record I combined
that with some more strongvocals as well.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Do you feel that streaming and you don't just hop
on stream and do a request showyou also do your live learn
streams where you're like, hey,I'm going to learn this new song
today and I have no idea how toplay it, but I'm going to
figure it out in front ofeveryone, in front of an
audience.
I'm going to learn how to playa song in front of people.
Do you feel that has helpedyour confidence in music?

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean doing the Twitchstreaming is another piece of
this puzzle that I'm so gratefulfor.
That I started doing because Iwas so unsure and scared about
doing it and performing.
I think I also.

(38:47):
I'm still working on it.
I definitely don't considermyself an instrumentalist as
much as I should, I think, andit's hard for me not to talk

(39:08):
about that on stream, just likeoh, I'm terrible at this, you
know.
Like just sort of talkingmyself down, I want to get
better at that while gettingbetter at performing and playing
instruments while singing.
So, yeah, it's really reallyhelped me with the whole like

(39:31):
vulnerability thing and justbeing like hey, whatever, you
know, like I mess up a song sobad that I have to stop and
start over.
It's not, no one died, you know.
Like it's, it's fine, it'stotally fine.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
And I just want to point out to people, you play
more than just the piano.
On your Twitch stream too, youpick up a bass and you know you
pluck through that and it's kindof cool to watch and I remember
the first few.
I used to be in your stream waymore earlier on and you were
always nervous when you switchedto the bass and you would
always panic.
I feel like you got morecomfortable as time went on.

(40:11):
What is your streaming schedule?
By the way, if people want towatch, you do the.
It's the same.
You do the live learn and thenyour regular request stream
pretty much the same times everyweek.
If you want to share that, witheverybody.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, so I do the live learns slash practice.
Sometimes it's just a practicestream, but I'll do that on
Tuesdays from two to fourcentral, so in New York, so
three to five for you.
And then Fridays I do therequest stream from four to

(40:42):
seven central, so five to eight.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
On on Twitch, not on kick.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
You got to go over to the other brand.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I don't, by the way, I don't, I don't have any.
Affiliated horses in this raceof which platform is better.
I just picked kick eventuallybecause I got banned too many
times on Twitch for no reasonsat all.
Oh no, yeah, well, I used tohave.
Not that I want to talk aboutthis on my podcast, but I used
to play chess.

(41:15):
I used to play chess on Twitchand I would have, occasionally I
would have streams where Iwould bring on an adult
entertainer, if you will, whoremained fully clothed at all
times, and it was more a socialexperiment, because people who
play chess care very much abouttheir ratings, and so I would
play viewers.
And here was the thing If I, ifI won the game, the adult

(41:38):
entertainer would come out anddance on a pole.
If, I lost the game, no dancer.
So you had to decide howimportant your rating was.
Do you want chat to hate you orlove the fact that you lost the
game?
And out came great.
But it was very, it was veryclean, it was all in good fun.

(41:59):
I mean, there was nothing thatwas inappropriate or anything
like that, and Twitch just wouldcome with the ban hammer and I
finally I just gave up and I waslike this is, and there was a
whole category on Twitch at somepoint of pole dancing.
Oh, really, yeah, because it's.
It is an art form and anexercise and I understand that

(42:21):
you need to keep it clean on theplatform and I would never put
anything out there that I feltwas obscene or inappropriate or
anything.
that wasn't what we were tryingto do.
So I never understood why, whyI would get the bands and
eventually I just kind of gaveup.
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
So that's really annoying.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Oh, so I came over to kick here, so here I am, but
you are going to.
You want to play something forus now, right off the off the
new album coming up.
Yeah, I was going to play you asong, this is exciting.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Play you a blood perfume, blood perfume.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Was that the first single that you released, coming
yes, with?

Speaker 3 (43:06):
the serial killer music.
Serial killer music video.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Which I think I used a clip of in your intro video.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yes, you did.
I saw it in there.
Should I play it?

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Absolutely we would.
I'd love to hear it.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Okay, let me do this.
Let me do this original soundfor musicians thing, this weird
thing, just in case.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
By the way, guys, it's because her and I are
communicating on zoom right nowand zoom.
We've learned that zoom has allthis compression protocols in
there.
So when she's going to playmusic, if she doesn't change the
setting, zoom might start togate or compress her in weird
ways and you probably wouldn'thear her have the song.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
All right, here we go .
Blood perfume.
You can't see my keyboard, butit's right here.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
All you gotta do is believe me.
I love the way that you trustme.
I love the way you're puttingon above me.
It's your turn to prove thatyou love me.
My words become your scriptures, got the best evidential
pictures.
I know you better than you do.

(44:25):
You know how much I'll protectyou.
Oh, to the brightest teeth inthe room.
You can't say no when I slip alittle bit in your blood, into

(44:46):
my perfume, into my perfume youstill learn all that.
Into my perfume.
I'll fit in your mind.

(45:09):
You wake first thing, want tosee me?
I make it so, so easy.
Just kneel and kiss my feet,please.
That's all you gotta do toappease me.
So go and play the part now.

(45:30):
I'll allow you to feel smart.
Now you think it's yourdecision.
As you execute my vision, youcan't say no To the brightest
teeth in the room.
You can't say no when I slip alittle bit in your blood into my

(46:00):
perfume, into my perfume, justa little bit Into my perfume.
I'll fit in your blood.

(46:22):
I will keep you safe.
If you take my hand, do notlook away.
Give me all you have.

(46:47):
You can't say no To thebrightest teeth in the room.

(47:07):
You can't say no when I slip alittle bit in your blood into my
perfume.
You can't say no.
You can't say no when I slip alittle bit in your blood into my

(47:42):
perfume.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
That's awesome, thank you, so good, so good Thank you
so much.
I'm going to clip that at somepoint and that's going on kick.
So now, your performance willforever be enshrined, not on
Twitch, awesome.
So one of the things that'sdifferent about this podcast and

(48:21):
a lot of other streams is, youknow, we give the viewers in
chat, the live viewers on kick,the ability to ask questions,
and we do this a littledifferently than oh, I have my
botricks window open, hold onone second, that's my bed.
We do this a little differentlythan a lot of other podcasts

(48:46):
where we're a bit nerdy overhere, and so, as I've explained
to you, we play this game with ad20.
And we do a traditionalDungeons and Dragons style
knowledge check.
If anybody has any questions forfor agent M, for Emily, for
survival, the solo survivalguide is left.

(49:08):
We will ask her the questionand we will roll the dice.
If she gets an 11, if we get 11or higher, she can answer the
question truthfully 10 and lower, and she has to make up an
answer because she doesn't.
She doesn't know the answer inher own question and I was.
I was asked a question inadvance and I am.
I'm going to pose that questionto you now, but we're going to

(49:28):
roll the the.
I'll ask the question first andthen we'll roll the dice.
Obviously, if you guys don'tknow, tsunami bomb has made a
resurgence recently.
In recent years, without Emilyas the singer, and they have re
released a lot of the originaltracks, including stuff back

(49:51):
from the original vinyl all theway up through.
Have they done definitive acttracks?
I'm not even sure.
I honestly I don't really Idon't think so.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I don't think they did definitive act.
I don't think so.
This reminds me.
I wanted to say something aboutMushy love song, though, if we
have time at the end.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Go to Whoa say what you want to say about the song
first, yeah, sure.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Well, I, I learned that it came out.
They re released, they, theyreleased an unreleased demo,
like tsunami bomb demo versionof Mushy love song and I feel
like since we're you know you'retalking about it and how it's
the first song you heard, ifpeople go and find it on Spotify

(50:33):
and listen to it, it's so bad.
It's so bad.
I listened to it because I wasplaying the song on Twitch and I
was wondering about a part ofit, like I can't remember what
we do.
You know what the arrangementwas here.
So I found it on there and Iwas like this is awful.
I can't believe they releasedit.
It sounds so bad, that's all.
It's not the plinky version.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Well, I mean, I would like to point out that the
version that I used to listen to, which was the plinky version,
was it?
Do you remember back when youused to record a vinyl to a
cassette and you would have theneedle sounds on the cassette?
Yeah, that's the version thatI've heard through the years and
I think I would rather the demoversion than that.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Yes, but oh, you'd rather the demo version.
Oh maybe, maybe you shouldlisten to it and report back to
me, because I was like, wow,this is so bad.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
So the question.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
No, no, you're fine.
The question that was asked washow do you feel, knowing like,
hearing songs that youoriginally recorded and made
famous with your vocals beingrecorded by somebody else who
isn't you?
With some of the members of theoriginal band, we're going to
roll the D 20.
And I already know, listen thehigh number.

(51:52):
Oh, no, it's a three.
I don't want to make her lieabout this answer, so go ahead,
you can answer it, okay, yeah.
Because somebody asked this asa serious question.
Yeah, we'll break the rules forthis one.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Oh, we will.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, yeah, go ahead and answer it for real.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Are you sure?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
I don't want to put you in a bad, in an awkward,
position.
Well, I saw that they hadre-recorded some songs that I
sang on and I did not listen tothose because I feel like that
would be really weird.
And I, yeah, it's a, it's a,it's a weird experience, the

(52:39):
whole thing.
Only because being in tsunamibomb was a huge Part of my life
and those are songs that I wrote.
So I have seen some footage ofthem being performed by the new
singer and I have nothing at allagainst the new singer of

(52:59):
tsunami bomb, but it isdefinitely weird for me.
It's like it makes all allthese weird Feelings that I've
never had come up in me.
So I don't really seek outtheir material, their new, their
new stuff.
So that's my I, just my non.
That's my 11 and higher answer.

(53:21):
I.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Just want to add it's very strange.
Tsunami bomb is not the onlyfemale fronted punk band that
changed singers and thenre-recorded stuff.
Uh, go betty go did it for awhile when nicolette left and
then she came back, and youdon't really see that with a lot
of male fronted punk bands,where they're just like we're
gonna replace the singer and noone's gonna pay any attention.

(53:42):
Everyone's just gonna keepshowing up, and I think that's.
I Wonder if anybody's everlooked into how many Bands, how
many male singers have beenreplaced over female singers
been replaced.
It's just something that alwaysstruck me as odd.
You know, not just with tsunamibomb and, as I said, go betty
go and I think there were twoothers that I used to know too,
but they're just escaping me atthe moment- I know there's a

(54:05):
couple of, uh, a couple of, likeMetal, more metal ish bands
that were female fronted, thathad various vocalists, I think,
but I can't remember the namesof them either.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Maybe, maybe nightwish, maybe, I don't
remember.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
I mean aside from van halen.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah, don't see it, there's van halen.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
With male singers.
Anyway, uh, there's some.
Ponex pond wants to know.
He asked what is it like onstage?
It has to be insane having allthose people out there helping
you sing and we're gonna rollthe dice to have a knowledge
check to know if you actuallyknow what, what it feels like to
perform on stage.
It's a three again, guys.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
She does not know, wait, so am I, am I just, is my
answer.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
I don't know, or is it?
No, you know you have to makeit up.
It's.
However, you know.
Okay, it just has to be onplaying a game.
It just has to be on, true.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Okay, okay, uh well, it's Really boring actually uh,
I kind of hate when people singalong to my songs while I'm
trying to sing them.
I'm like hello.
Uh, how am I supposed to singif you're singing like I'm?
I'm on stage, so you Stay quiet, because the last thing I want

(55:18):
is for people to be singingalong to my music.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
So can someone clip that and put that on tiktok and
youtube?
She's usually the most she'susually the most wholesome
person in streaming.
She's always so positive, so toUm.
So just to move this along,because I don't want to keep you
that long, we also play alittle, a little trivia and on
this stream and um and um, I Iwas trying to think of what

(55:44):
trivia to do with you.
So just so everybody knows, Ihad did not have a lot of time
to prep this, uh, this guest,because the guests we were
supposed to have on this is theweek that the writer strike
officially ended and a bunch ofpeople went back to work.
So my original guest had toreschedule and I said you know
who I'm gonna ask to be my guestis is Emily whitehurst, because

(56:06):
she has never let me down in mylife.
Any time I have struggledemotionally and physics, she has
been there and she's gonna bethere for me again.
So I reached out and asked bythe way, she didn't know, she
didn't know most of the timesthat she was there for me, but
she was and uh, so normally Iwould ask in advance, you know,
if you had any fandoms, like innerd culture, and most people

(56:28):
have some type of fandom, but Ididn't know yours, so I figured
the fun one we could play firstis it's a pop punk buzzfeed quiz
, and, and if you get enoughquestions correct, uh, boom,
boom dawn is going to win agreat prize.
So I I briefly skimmed this.

(56:50):
It didn't seem that hard, okaywe're gonna.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
We're gonna play the game boom.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Boom dawn.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
I'll try.
I will try for you.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Uh, all right.
So who sings?
Welcome to the black parade.
Wezer, pierce the veil.
My chemical romance afi.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
My chemical romance, for sure it is.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
It's definitely my chemical romance.
Oh my god, buzzfeed has toomany ads.
Uh, which celebrity made acameo?
And fallout boys.
Thanks for the memories.
Music video parasol, kimKardashian.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Uh, boom, boom dawn.
Uh, there's 50, 50 chance here.
I'm gonna go with parasolton.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
You know, I would have gone with parasol too, but
I, it was kim Kardashian.
Oh, it was, oh it was kimKardashian who said nobody likes
you when you're 23?
.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Okay, blink 182.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Who sings ohio is who sings ohio is for lovers.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Uh hawthorne heights.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I didn't know that one.
Which song is an all-time lowsong?
Crush, crush, crush.
Dear maria, count me in Halena,the great escape.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Oh, uh, well, I know it's got to be one of the two on
the right.
I feel like this is not poppunk, this is like emo.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
It is definitely emo punk.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Go with.
I'm gonna go with the greatescape.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
It's, it's, dear maria, count me in.
Oh no, this is how emo it iswho asked.
Who asked the lila what it'slike in new york city?
The all-american rejects boylike girls, plain white teas
metro station.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
I know this it's plain white teas because we
toured with them.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah, you know, yeah, tsunami bomb.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Fun fact, he did.
He did not get the lila in theend.
Who is the front man of 30seconds to mars?
Billy joe armstrong.
Jarred lettow.
Jarred way brendan urie jarredlettow.
That is jarred lettow, not ajarred lettow fan.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
I I'm not either, really.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Which blink 182 song goes we can live like jack and
sally if we want adam song down.
I miss you always.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Hmm, we can live like jack and sally if we want.
Are, are.
Are those all blink 182 songtitles?
That's my question for you.
Do you know this one?

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I do know this one, you do, and I don't know if.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Well, I think they are all blink 182 songs.
Okay, I'm gonna go with.
I miss you.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
I miss you.
Where are you?
And?
I'm so sorry, it is absolutely.
Who sings a song called untilthe day I die.
Story of the year.
Newfound glory cartel, brandnew.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
This is 100% guess.
Uh, until the day I die, uh,I'm gonna go with um Newfound
glory.
Well, what was it?
Story of the year?

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
story of the year whose album is this?

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Oh, uh, I do recognize that, is it wait, I
don't get boys like girls.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
the academy is yellow card all time low.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Sorry, I just wanted you to get a good shot of the
picture.
Oh, that's okay, that is.
Is that the academy is?
It is you got seven out of tencorrect.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Seven out of ten.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Oh wait, is that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
yeah, that's funny for me.
I'm gonna be done, okay good,that's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I'm ever shifted chesscom.
We are the bad chess podcastafter all.
But Listen, I want I, you are.
I want to usually, believe itor not, you did the best on any
trivia that we've had so far.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
That was hard too.
I feel like it was harder thanI thought it would be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I prepped a second.
Might the second chance trivia,which um Is, is you, you
enjoyed cooking and baking,baking more than cooking,
correct?
But I couldn't find a bakingtrivia, so we went.
We went cooking, which Ithought.
Some of these questions weregreat.
La Cordon.
Bleu translates to what inEnglish.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
The blue ribbon.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
The blue ribbon.
Soaking food in a liquid,usually acidic, prior to cooking
is known as what?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Soaking food in a liquid Pickling no prior to
cooking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Oh, marination, marination what device became
life as George George's barbecuekettle?

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Uh, the George foreman grill no.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
I I can say I believe , if I remember recall correctly
, they first asked hulk hogan tobe the supposed person of the
george foreman grill.
It was almost the hulk hogangrill and he passed on it.
That was a mistake, hulk, thatwas a mistake.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
It was, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
So what's the?

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
george's barbecue kettle.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
That's the Weber grill the Weber grill.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Oh Dang, I'm terrible at this cooking trivia.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Someone is a pescacherian.
What type of animal can theyeat?
Fish?
It is fish, okay.
What dishes served with rice,sauces and seafood such as squid
, eel, tuna and salmon?

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
A lot of dishes Are served like that.
Uh, I mean Squid, eel, tuna andsalmon um sushi.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Of course I want you to know, you, you were gonna
lose your california card if youdidn't get sushi.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Well, I was just like , I mean there's, there's like
don burry, there's like allthese different japanese foods.
Then I was like just scale itback here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Train pigs are useful in rooting out what valuable
food truffles it is truffles.
In 1893 the us supreme courtruled that one food was a
vegetable potatoes.
Tomatoes tomatoes.
Though botanically speaking,it's a fruit, specifically it's
a berry, that's give you the funanswer.

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What french canadian dishconsists of french fries cheese,
curds and brown gravy?
Poutine is poutine.
What variety of candy containscocoa butter, sugar and milk,
but no cocoa solids?

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Uh, white chocolate.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
It is white chocolate .
Okay.
What is the proper name forbowtie pasta?

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Oh, how did you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
I didn't know that one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
I think that was the only one I didn't know.
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
It means butterfly in italian does it really?
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
That's crazy.
Those are our games.
They weren't that bad right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
No, they weren't wait .
How many did I get, though?

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Yeah well, the second chance.
One didn't matter as muchbecause boom, boom, don already
won the prize.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Oh, okay, okay, I see .

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Feel like you got like seven of those correct too
right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
It was not too bad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
You missed uh tomatoes.
You missed the Weber grill andmarination.
I feel like everything else sheyou got Me.
You got, you got, you got, yougot, you got blue ribbon for for
cordon blue, the soaking thefood in the acidic, liquidless
marination.
You didn't.
You didn't get that one.
The Weber grill which was, youthought, george foreman grill,

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pescatarian was fish, sushi,pigs smell truffles, and then
supreme court was tomatoes, andthen poutine and white chocolate
and far farful, far farly far,farly.
Are you italian?

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
I am italian, well, listen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
This has been great really.
I'm usually way, way morepoignant with my questions, but
tonight was, uh, was fantastic.
It's just.
You know, I really appreciateyou coming on.
I I know you're very busy.
You're trying to prep something, um, and you can get something
edited to get it out.
So you, you took time out ofyour very busy night to To be
here and I really appreciatethat.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Well, it's great.
Thanks for inviting me.
I'm really glad that it workedout and that, um, that I was
able to Uh fill the slot.
So, um, I wanted to say alsothat, if I ever come on this
again, if I don't know, if youhave, if you're gonna have
repeat guess, but if you everhave me on again, we should do
my.
I think probably my most nerdyuh fandom is Lord of the Rings,

(01:05:32):
so I can say how much lord ofthe how nerdy lord of the rings,
can you get?

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Well, I have not read the books.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
So that's that cuts me to you know, down to a
certain level, but I havewatched the movies, uh like a
million times.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
So what's your, what's your favorite?
Lord of the rings movie.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
That's tough, that's really tough.
I I kind of like the fellowshipthe most.
I don't know there's such goodparts in all of them, um, so I
don't know that's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
do not mess with me, so I don't know that's do not
meddle in the affairs of who,for they are subtle and quick to
anger.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Oh no, you just pulled up a quiz right now.
Do not meddle in the affairs of?
Oh no, for they are subtle andquick to anger.
Do not meddle in the affairs ofDwarves wizards wizards.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
What do the elves call Gandalf?

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Um mithrandi.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
That's andre close enough.
What is?

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
pippin's full name.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yeah, I didn't notice uh, pippin.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Um, I know his last name is took, full of a took.
Uh, pippin, pippin, pippin took.
He's probably got a middle nameperegrine took peregrine took.
Oh, I knew that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Uh, what is the name of sam's pony?
I think that's a book thingwhen, geographically speaking,
was Frodo stabbed geographically.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
I mean he was stabbed in his no, no, where.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Where in the world?

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
On weathertop on weathertop.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Who composed the music for the lord of the rings
films?
Oh no, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
I should, I should know that, but I definitely
don't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Howard shore.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Howard shore.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Who is gimley's father?

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
gimley, son of gloom.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Look at the almost smitten with aragorn, who does
erwin marry in the end.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Faramir.
It is faramir who is next inline, after theodin, for the
throne of rohan uh well, itwould have been Theodrid, his
son, but his son died During themovie, so that's kind of a
trick question.
Uh, aomer, that's his nephew.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Who took the ring from sauron?

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
uh, uh.
Why is now I'm blanking on this?
I can picture him.
Uh, the names who took the ring, the shards of Narsil was his

(01:08:44):
sword, eregorn, son of Erethorn,uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
The wheels are spinning.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
I'm so sad that I'm not.
It's not coming to mind becauseI know, I know it.
I was there when.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
You were present when he when the ring was cut.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
It was.
It's a line from the movie.
I was there when he took thering.
I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Isildur, isildur.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Isildur's heir.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
That's right.
So, by the way, the questionsonly get harder.
That's a dorky, geeky nerdyprovided that quiz for us, but
that's a.
I had to do it.
When you said I can do Lord ofthe Rings trivia, we had to we
had to try it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Well, I feel like I did okay on that.
You did great on that you did.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
You answered questions that I didn't think
you were going to get, so youare officially a Lord of the
Rings nerd.
So so listen really.
I repeat, guess you can come onanytime you want.
You know, my goal is eventuallywhat I want to do, which is
different than what everybodyelse is doing in the streaming
and podcast world is I want to.
My goal longterm for this showis to build it out like a set

(01:10:03):
and do it variety show style,where you know we actually have
a host that will host the triviasegment.
We have a house band that couldbe you, but you get what I'm
saying, like I want to.
I mean my, my roots are intelevision.
I produce, I've actually been apart of a huge prime time
variety shows hosted by NeilPatrick Harris Best time ever.
It really wasn't the best timeever but that was the name of

(01:10:25):
the show.
I think that that is somethingthat nobody is doing in this
online space and something Iwould like to bring to it.
So you are always welcome onand I'm sure we could find if
you want to keep coming on inthe future.
I'm sure I could find athousand things to talk to you
about.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Awesome, I'm into it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Survival Guide Music Spotify, itunes.
Survival Guide Music onInstagram right, so it's on
screen right now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Yeah, and if you search I mean on on Spotify and
Apple Music, it's just SurvivalGuide, so it's there's only one
artist called Survival Guide andthat's me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
And if you guys want to hear, I mean I know on
YouTube music the cover albumsare there.
I'm imagining they're there onSpotify and iTunes too, so you
can really, if you start withthe first cover album and move
through the second one and thenthe newer singles that have come
out, you really will hear thatprogression that we were talking
about.
Also, the older bands, you canfind them everywhere Action
Design, tsunami Bomb you'll findthem everywhere.

(01:11:24):
Just look for the older TsunamiBomb stuff, not the newer ones.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Yes, 2004 and earlier .

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Right, the band broke up in 2005,.
Right, yeah, but you guysdidn't record anything in that
window.
That's definitive act.
Yeah, Look, next week's guestI'm going to tell you too.
I'm breaking the news righthere Leslie Carrera Rudolph.
She is Abby Kedaby on SesameStreet.
She was in Johnny and theSprites a bunch of shows.
She is really fun.

(01:11:55):
So she's going to be on nextweek.
It's going to be the same time,8 pm Eastern time on Thursday,
right here on stream.
If you miss it live, you canwatch the VOD here.
You can check it out on YouTube.
You can download it whereveryou get your podcasts.
This show will be availableimmediately on kick and later
tonight on YouTube, as well aseverywhere Spotify, iTunes,

(01:12:17):
everywhere you get your music.
Really, thanks so much forcoming on.
You were the first person toperform live on the show Music,
so it was fantastic.
What do you know?
When the album's coming out?
Do you have a date?

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Yeah, it's October 19th.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Oh, so it's like a week and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
And switch.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
It's real soon.
What?

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
are you on switch?
Survival Guide Music Survival.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Guide Music Guys.
Really, if you're on switch,give her a follow.
Check out her Her request.
Streams are amazing.
They are so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
And what I like that you do, by the way, as we're
just connecting, is I like thefact that you save the hits for
later, like you know the songsthat people are going to request
all the time, and you blockthat part of your list out so it
can't be requested until youhave a bigger audience later.
I think that's very smart.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
I mean that's partially because those are just
all the loudest songs and I'mnot ready.
In the beginning of the streamI'm like I cannot.
I cannot just like blast myhead off as the first few songs.
But that is a good.
That is also a good way to lookat it.
What are your, they're reserved.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
What is your favorite song of your request list?
Just?

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
I don't know Like my favorite one to perform.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Yeah, on your request list.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
That's a really hard question.
I'd probably have to look atthe list.
It would probably be someoneelse's song.
I bet doing a cover becauseI've done all my own songs a
bunch and I'm like this is fun,but it's not.
It's not, I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe I'll have to think aboutthat and answer that next time
I'm on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Well, really, this is the longest episode too, so
thank you so much for coming on.
Everybody, followers socialmedia, check out our music
October 19th.
I can't wait to listen to thewhole album.
The first three single, threesingles, are out.
It's pie, it's Blood, perfumeand lady.
Yeah thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
I drew a blank there, which, no, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
I was saying lady and I couldn't come up with the
second word.
So thank you again.
So much for coming on.
Thanks everybody for watching.
Have a great night.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Yeah, thanks for having me.