March 19, 2024 • 71 mins
Imagine the invisible bonds of energy that tie us to our pets, stretching beyond what the eye can see. Dr. Barry Sands joins us to unravel the complexities of these connections, infusing veterinary care with the fascinating principles of quantum physics. We explore how therapies involving sound, light, and homeopathy aren't just for the body—they're for the soul, aligning our vibrational states with those of our furry friends for a deeper, more profound healing experience.
My own pup, Chance, and I have journeyed through emotional health challenges side by side. In this episode, we reflect on the intertwined destinies of humans and animals, considering how our own unresolved traumas can manifest in the pets who share our lives.
Sharing wisdom from the Institute of HeartMath and embracing teachings from thought leaders like Bruce Lipton and Joe Dispenza, we reveal how love, intuition, and synchronicity can guide us and our animal companions towards a harmonious existence.
Dr. Barrie Sands is a veterinarian, healer, educator, scientist, author, artist and speaker.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Dogs make the best companions for humans.
This podcast aims to help makehumans better companions for
their dogs.
Welcome to the Baroo Podcast, amodern lifestyle podcast for
dogs and their people.
I'm your host, charlotte Bain.
I've been caring for otherpeople's dogs for more than 15
(00:21):
years and, while I've learned alot in my career, I definitely
don't know at all.
So I've collected anever-evolving roster of amazing
dog people and I learn newthings from them all the time.
Hi you guys.
(00:45):
Thank you so much for joiningme for this episode of the Baroo
Podcast.
Today is, in my opinion, a veryspecial episode, and it may be
one of my favorite chats so far.
Dr Barry Sands joins us to talkabout the energetic connection
we have with our pets.
Dr Sands is a veterinarian.
She's a healer, an educator, ascientist, author, artist and a
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speaker.
We chat about the scientificroots of energy medicine and she
offers insights into how ourvibrational states have the
power to influence and heal notjust ourselves but also our pets
.
We touch on the principles ofquantum physics as well as the
impact of emotional wellness inveterinary care.
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So let's just jump into thischat.
Well, thanks you, too, forpopping on.
It's nice to see you again.
Dr Lindsay and Dr Sands, I am sothrilled to have you on to chat
with me because you bring suchvalue to pet parents, to the
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veterinary community, to reallyanything that has to do with our
pets and our human wellness aswell.
You have a huge toolbox oftools that you can pull from.
You've been in emergency roomveterinarian for over 20 years
and you also practice holisticmedicine, and you also bring
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something very unique to thetable, which is energy medicine,
something that I'm fascinatedby.
I'm going to get all theterminology wrong throughout
this whole conversation, so justbear with me, but I really want
to focus on energy medicinetoday and the relationship that
we have between ourselves andour pets in terms of the
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energetic connection that wehave.
Would that be quantum physics?
Like what is?
Can you explain, first off,what energy medicine is?
For those of us who, like,really either are have heard the
term and are like poo, poo it alittle bit, or whatever, it's
not science-based, it's all forthe woo-woo's.
And to those of us who kind ofhave a little bit of an idea but
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we're not quite sure how do wecategorize it?
What do we do with it?
You want to touch?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
on that a little bit.
Yeah, that's a great question.
So I agree, there's this sortof stigma of energy medicine
being sort of woo-woo and outthere, but in essence, when you
really have an understanding ofwhat that means, it seems to be
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more of this.
Oh yeah, of course this is howit is and it's the understanding
of what energy really means.
And there's many different ways, I think, of approaching the
understanding.
But if you simplify theequation that Einstein had, e
equals MC squared, which meansenergy equals matter times the
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speed of light squared.
So basically what that says isthat energy is equal to matter
and matter is energy, and sothey're one and the same.
And when you think about energymedicine, everything in life is
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made up of energy at itsfundamental units, from when you
have a body, to an organ, to amolecule, to an atom, to the
subatomic particles, and thenthe interrelationship between
all those subatomic particlesand how it's tapping into this
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global field of energy, which isnot separate from any one thing
.
And I don't know if that makessense, but that allows us to
understand how the one is theeverything, because we're all
interconnected on this very,very, very small level.
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And it's when we take all theseenergy vibrations and
frequencies, because everythingin life has a vibration and a
frequency and it's just a wave,and waves are energy and so it's
in your body.
It's the energy that drives thephysics, the physics and the
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energy is what creates thebiochemistry and the
biochemistry creates the biology.
So if you just take that bigleap from the energy to the
biology, it makes sense, becauseall of that is in between and
the biology and the matter thatwe are is just a manifestation
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of the different types offrequencies and waves.
And I think when we approach ourbiology from a point of energy,
you can heal the body with theenergy, almost bypassing the
biochemistry, right?
(06:01):
So when we have been taught inour Western medical
indoctrination of how medicineworks, is what we're taught, to
treat symptoms withpharmaceuticals, which is
chemistry.
So we're using chemistry totreat chemistry, the
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biochemistry in our bodies, buton the vibrational level, if we
just bypass the biochemistryinto the energy, you can treat
that with vibrations and thingslike sound therapy or homeopathy
is a way that works on thatenergetic level, and other
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vibrational therapies such aslight.
So basically light and sound,and then you have you know
you're coming even more esotericthoughts and emotions because
that has frequencies and energyoutputs, and so when we have
this global understanding ofthat, we can that our biology is
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just this amalgamation of allof these different frequencies
and our dis-ease is opposite tothe harmony right.
The word disease comes fromdis-ease, which means that there
is a dis-harmony in the system.
Then you can realign it easyenough with just frequencies,
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adding in new frequencies,whether it new vibrations, new
thought pratins, new emotions,new, you know, sound or light
technology into that.
It's quite magnificent when youstart to really understand it.
Is that too much?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
No, no, that's fantastic.
I mean, I've heard the termeverything is energy and we are
all energy.
So that you know, when youthink about in terms of
everything is energy thefoundation of everyone and
everything is energy.
That makes sense, right.
How does that relate to andthis might be a big leap, but
how does that relate to theconnection that we have with our
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animals and with our pets?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, so we know that energetically we can broadcast
our thoughts, emotions, how wevibrate in the world.
We have this around us.
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There's an energy field andeveryone has different
terminologies for the energythat's around us.
You know, things like abiofield is an energy field
that's around us and that'sactually scientifically measured
.
There is a biofield that'smeasured outwardly from us at
least nine feet and thosestudies have been done by the
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use of technology calledmagnetometers and they can study
the fields that we emit andthat's just a technology that we
have designed so far that canmeasure it.
But it's known to go out reallyreally far, like some people
can say that our fields go outat least 50 feet from us in all
directions and that's yeah, andthat's really no idea.
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It was that much.
It can be really far, andpeople that are really sensitive
they'll feel that when you'rein their field you know like
you're in my space and you canfeel the intrusion of someone
else's energy, and they may noteven be that close to you.
So you can feel that and soit's just becoming a little bit
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more aware of the subtlefrequencies that are around us.
When we start to become awareof that, then we'll start to
feel that more and more.
It's just something we have tolearn.
Our animals are naturally ableto go in that field and be with
us and their energy fields aremore open and expansive and
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welcoming.
You know, they're just.
I mean, think of a dog.
They're all love, right, andthey're all inclusive.
And when it comes to the pairedgroups of, like an animal and
the human that they chose,there's always seems to be one
particular human in a familythat, say, a dog will bond more
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to you know, energetically,whether it's the mom or the dad
or the child, or obviously, ifyou're alone, and it's just a
one-on-one pair, right, that'ssomething in and of itself.
But what I have found is andmost people will know this
intuitively that their dog andthem are extremely connected.
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You know, my dog weeds my mindor he knows exactly what I'm
thinking, you know, right, Imean, I like to think so yeah.
Yeah, and they, even if you aretrying to hide your thoughts
from your dog, they know it.
Like, if you're gettingprepared to go on a walk with
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your dog, right, you don't evenhave to.
You could be doing somethingelse, you could be feeding the
cats or, you know, doing themail, and your dog somehow knows
that you thought about takingthem on a walk and they already
have their leash in their mouth.
Or they're like at the tour andthey're all excited.
Yeah, right, they know it.
And you're like no, I didn'tthink that, don't stop it, I'm
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not ready, you know.
But there is a.
Because of the closerelationship that we have with
our animals, they pick up ourenergies and the easiest way
that I think that manifests thatpeople are aware of is when
people have anxiety, right, whenan anxious owner has an anxious
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dog, it's for the most part,you know, I don't.
I think there are those dogsthat are, you know, those
therapy dogs that are made ortrained to be more of the rocks
and the stabilizers of theanxiety, right, and they have a
way to offset that from them.
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But in the general world, youhave a, you know, really high
strung owner.
There's going to be a highstrung dog, and that energy also
translates beyond just theemotional anxiety.
It translates into physicalmanifestations of disease and
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I've seen that many, many times.
In fact, you know, even with DrLindsay I'm sure she can
corroborate this.
When you know, you askveterinarians have you ever
noticed that your patients havethe same disease as the owners?
I've never met one veterinarianthat says no.
Everybody says oh yeah, ofcourse.
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And that's when I startedsaying, well, wait a minute.
If we're all saying of course,what is this, that we're?
What's happening here?
There's this really strangephenomenon that's going beyond
this physical world that weshould have, we should
understand, and the more Idelved into it, the more
fascinating it became.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I can share firsthand that my dog, chance, and I
share so many of the same thingsand like just even down to like
left hip issues, like you know,and we used to have like the
same kind of gut issues, and myfirsthand experience, I've done,
I do something called EmotionalFreedom Technique and I've been
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doing it for about five no gosh, it's been since 2015.
And I have we really, like afew years ago, moved through
some this goes into the emotionsand, you know, traumas or
whatever we've really movedthrough when, when working with
the woman that I work with,through some of those, and I am
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telling you, I saw a shift in mydog.
He suddenly became like he justlike lighter and his health
seemed to improve.
He's pushing, he'll be 16 nextweek and he and this was around
age I would say like 11 or 12.
And I he started.
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I really just saw thesignificant shift in him for the
better.
And when I think back on that,I think that when his
veterinarians used to say likewow, he looks even better than
he did when he was, you know, ashe's aging, I think back on
those shifts that I made withmyself and there had to have
been a connection there I justhad.
I can't I can't psych typicallysay how that happened, but
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there had to have been right.
Maybe you can tell me ifthere's a scientific, you know
reason for that.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So you know the, the, the working plausible
explanation around, that is theinterrelation between the
biofields, right.
So when there are frequenciesthat are being generated even in
our own body, say, we'll talkabout our own self and how a lot
of us get our own diseases,there is mechanisms, epigenetic
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mechanisms, right.
That where disease is anexpression of a genetic code or
a blueprint in in the, your DNA,to express a protein, right,
that's how your body makesproteins.
And if you're makinginefficient proteins or things
are going awry or there aremutations in the coding, then
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certain things happen in thecells, cells get wonky and then
certain diseases show up.
I mean, that's a sort ofrudimentary explanation, but
through these mechanisms of geneexpression they are dictated by
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the, the certain energeticfrequencies that we're exposing
ourselves to.
So if we kind of just thinkabout, say, our psychosomatic
emotions, right, there's aphenomenon where people,
diseases are psychosomatic inexpression, where you have a
certain emotional trauma that'sunmetabolized, that your body
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decides to put somewhere in yourbody to manifest as disease.
Right.
And I think this sort ofunderstanding of how our disease
manifests in our bodies isbecoming more mainstream in
conversation, because there's alot more of psychosomatic work,
you know, releasing youremotional traumas and then your
body starts to feel better.
And where in the body that itmanifests is metaphorically,
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sometimes, you know, like peoplesay, who have shoulder pain
will have some emotionalconflict about carrying the
weight of the world on theirshoulders.
You know, and it's very, it's avery amazing thing to talk
about.
I don't think it's kind ofwithin the scope of our
conversation today, yeah.
So, however, the mechanisms arekind of similar, right.
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So we have this, these thoughtsand these emotions that, when
they're not in a coherent stateor when they're in a negative
emotional state, look of say,you know, fear, anger,
resentment, judgment,intolerance, frustration, anger,
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depression, anxiety, like thosekind of feelings.
When they manifest in ourbodies, it shows up in some sort
of ailment, right?
I mean, we know that when wecan have GI disease, we can have
chronic diarrhea, we can haveskin issues and rashes and
hypertension, right, all thatstuff.
And so now you take that andthat is, and we have
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scientifically found that thoseemotions, of any emotions, but
emotions of fear and anxiety andfrustration, when it's put out
in your biofield it has its ownfrequency that gets emitted and
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your animal is in your fieldbecause they want to, because
they love you, because they'reinvested in everything about you
, right?
So that energetic frequency isgoing to be meshing with their
field and their, the vibrationsaround.
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That is going to be picked upby their own genetic material,
right, their own epigenetics,and so then there is perhaps an
expression within themselves tocreate the same sort of
phenomenon, based upon thefrequencies that they're
experiencing, which is kind ofthe same as yours, right?
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So then it has the samemanifestation in their own
bodies, right?
So, say, it's like a hipproblem or a heart arrhythmia.
I mean, I have seen suchintimately connected diseases
between the human and the animalto the point where they're
sharing brain tumors or leukemia, or kidney tumors, cardiac
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arrhythmias, pericardialeffusions, immune mediated
diseases like platelet problems,like immune mediated
thrombocytopenia, like the ownerand the dog will have the same
exact disease.
And I've had clients say to meDr Sands, do you think I gave my
dog my disease?
And I asked, I said, well, whois the dog bonded to?
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And this particular client saidme.
And I said, well, you didn'treally give your dog the disease
, but you guys are certainlyentangled with that, and so,
yeah, and so then my questionhas been if the bigger question
was that.
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I know that in my experience,humans love their animals more
than they love themselves.
They will go beyond all sortsof means to make sure their
animals are healthy, well totheir own neglect.
And so I was like, well, ifhumans knew how much of an
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impact that their health had ontheir animals, would they choose
to take care of themselvesbetter?
And then we'd have this fullcircle wellness thing going on,
and that's my goal, I think.
Hopefully that's going to be atrend.
(21:12):
But yeah, there is definitely inthe field of quantum physics
and quantum medicine.
That is where you can get theseplausible explanations of how
frequency can interact with thegenetic expression of a
manifestation of disease throughthe encoding of your DNA.
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And that's one explanation.
There's another explanationthat is also kind of very
psychosomatic that I'm delvinginto currently, right now, and
trying to make sense of it, andperhaps we could talk about that
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at a later time.
But there's a definitely aninteresting phenomenon on what's
called biological decoding inhumans, where you are really
getting to the nitty gritty ofwhy you have the emotional
conflict and where that camefrom, and then when there's this
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aha moment, you can transmutethat and dissolve the disease.
It's almost like a spontaneousremission, and I think that's
another mechanism of how we'resharing our conditions with our
dogs and our cats, and someanimals are more susceptible
than others dogs much more thancats.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Interesting Is that in alignment with dealing with
ancestral or generational trauma, is that like it's just kind of
ingrained in our DNA?
You're talking about thebiological decoding.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, I'm so fascinated.
Yeah, it could be.
It goes generational.
It could be from your mom, fromyour grandparents to their
great grandparents and throughlineages.
I mean there are some that sayyou know seven generations back,
you can have something that'scarried into the lineage and you
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know it's.
It's a different conversationthan, like I'm a victim of my
genealogy.
You know, like, my grandmotherhas breast cancer, my mom has
breast cancer, my sister hasbreast cancer, my aunt has
breast cancer, so of course I'mgoing to get breast cancer and
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it's because we have the genefor it.
But no, that's not theconversation, right?
Just because you have a genefor something doesn't mean it's
going to get expressed right.
And so the expression of thegene is that epigenetic markers,
and a lot of it is the belief,it's your belief, that you know
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everyone in my family has it.
So of course I'm going to haveit right.
So of course you're going tohave it.
It just works that way, youknow.
So that's a.
There's a lot to talk aboutwith that.
That's so fascinating.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I think one other thing that that brings to mind
for me is the power of thought,and so I do a lot of which I've
talked about before.
But I participate in a lot ofend of life and transition work,
and one of the things I havefound that are such a simple on
the surface but complicatedaspect to integrate into that is
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staying as positive as possibleboth leading up to that time
and then also while you're goingthrough that time, and just the
idea that because I think a lotof people fall into this is
going to be horrible.
You know, I'm I'm worried aboutwhat this looks like, but if you
come from a place of just beinga support and being a strong
foundation and, like Dr Sandswas saying, there area lot of
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people that will find thestrength for their animals that
they can't find for themselves,and just keeping that, those
types of thoughts, at theforefront of their mind, it's
amazing how much their animalswill respond to that Like, even
on a day to day basis, ofthey're going to have diarrhea
again.
It's like, okay, let's try tochange that narrative and come
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into this with a more positivethought, because there's no harm
in doing that, and how much ofan improvement they'll have
without changing anything else.
So it's simple, but it's really.
If we all are able to change ourmindset and I completely
resonate with the fact and I amguilty of this I will go to the
ends of the earth for my dog.
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It is a lot harder for me tomotivate myself to do that, and
I have found the same with myclients, and I think anxiety is
a really great example of that.
I have quite a few patients thatI've managed for anxiety and I
can only get them to a certainlevel of improvement and what is
stopping it is their.
Their human counterpart has towork on their anxiety management
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and creating tools forthemselves, because if they
can't create a peacefulenvironment for themselves, it
is so challenging to help theiranimal get to where they want
them to be.
So even really simple thingslike if you have a stressful day
and you're coming home and I'vestarted doing this for myself
and I've noticed a hugedifference take the time to find
some sort of tool that you canuse before you enter the house
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and then bring that energy toyour animal that's been waiting
all day to see you.
It's just the little, thesubtle changes that we can make
that you know, and it ends upbeing beneficial for us too, and
everyone in our environment.
It's not just our animals,Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I had a client of mine who cameto me in my integrative
practice because her dog, herlittle dog, was having.
She was diagnosed with chronicpancreatitis and she was having
vomiting and not eating andissues.
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And so you know, when she cameto me getting a deeper dive into
the history, the dog was bondedto the husband first and she
the husband was very ill and hehad kidney cancer and the dog
was with the owner day in andday out, before, even before he
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died, and this it was athree-year-old dog.
When I met her and this littledog, she, in our work up that I
did with her along around herhistorical chronic pancreatitis,
I offered an abdominalultrasound let's start with the
ultrasound and see what's goingon in there and her pancreas was
perfect.
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However, her kidneys had a lotof architectural changes to them
, even though her kidney enzymeswere normal, and I attributed
that in this three-year-old dog,in my way of thinking, was that
had some kind of link to the tothe husband that she was so
bonded to, with his kidneydisease, even though it didn't
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manifest as an outward diseasein her.
So so the husband did pass awayand now the dog is now bonded
to mom and mom is terriblydistraught about her, the death
of her husband, and so she'sdoing a lot of grieving and
crying and and in the process ofof working together the dog we
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switched his diet, we got him ona better food source, we got
him on some supplements andnutraceuticals and Chinese herbs
and acupuncture and she wasdoing great.
She was doing great.
And then mom would come and andinto an appointment and I'd say
how are things doing?
She goes, you know she's doinggreat.
However, she has thisintermittent vomiting that she
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still does and I really couldn'tunderstand where that, like why
that was a factor.
And so I asked her what she wasdoing during the times that the
dog was vomiting and because Iknow that she was very upset
with her husband and momrealized that there was a
connection between the timesthat she would cry and grieve
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and worry about her husband,that all of a sudden the dog
started having vomiting issues.
And then her and I startedworking together on having her
manage her stress and hergrieving and just tools and
tactics of how to, you know,manage that better and maybe not
in front of the dog, and thatkind of thing.
And then you know, I don't know, I hadn't.
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I didn't hear for her formonths and then, like four
months later, she just calls meto check in and I said how is
everybody doing?
She says everything is great.
You know, she stopped vomiting.
I'm much more balanced, I'mgrieving differently, I feel
better about my husband and soit was a.
It was the pivotal moment, likeyou were saying, when mom really
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embraced her healing that thedog is was better, you know, and
in other realms you know, thedog would be on chronic
medications, right, you know,and pharmaceuticals for the
vomiting and the not eating.
And you know, and it's just andit was it's.
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There's an endless cycle, andso I think that when we start
really, you know, not not takingon any sort of blame or shame
around the aspect of how werelate to our animals, but it's
an opportunity to have them bemaybe some reflective mirrors
for us to say what is it that Ineed to work on for myself and
how can I be, how can I be thebest person or the best version
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of myself that I can be?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I think the other thing that's fascinating about
that example in particular is intraditional Chinese medicine
there's a certain emotion that'sassociated with each organ
system, and the gastrointestinalsystem is associated with worry
.
So the fact, the idea that youknow that dog was so concerned
with the emotional experiencethat their human was having and
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that that manifested in GIdisease, it's such a real
example and I think I've.
I don't I haven't shared thestory here and I'll make it very
brief, but my own dog thereason I got into integrative
medicine is she developedinflammatory bowel disease, and
I say that in quotation marksbecause when she developed her
illness, I was going through alot of mental health issues.
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I have zero doubt who then thatwas connected, and I had to go
through a lot of guilt with thatonce I realized it.
But it is.
It's been so healing for me toidentify that and then be able
to share that with other peopleand watching her improve has
been motivation for me tocontinue to push myself.
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Oh yeah, it's just yeah there.
We're so lucky to share ourlives with them, but that's why
it's also so important for us tobe open minded and although
this is so outside of what we'reconventionally taught.
There's so much truth andhealing that we can all all of
us, we can globally find in thisfor ourselves, and if our
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animals have to be the motivatorfor that, then it's just
another thing for us to thankthem for.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, absolutely.
And you know we have to beremember that there's a reason
why these animals come into ourlives.
You know, we, how we get them,where they show up.
You know, did we get them at apound?
Did we get them?
Did we find them on the street?
They found us.
Like there seems to be this,this finding of each other, and
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there's always a reason whyyou're in a relationship with
the animal you're in and it'snothing to be like oh, I feel so
bad that I gave you my disease.
It's really not about that,because that animal who showed
up in your life knows thatthere's some sort of bonded
contract that two of you aregoing to explore and so there's
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no judgment around that.
That needs to happen.
It's an opportunity for healingon all levels and different
levels.
You know, and there are somedogs that will.
You know, I had a client who washead lymphoma and she was.
She had two treatments.
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She was in remission, out ofremission, and then she was back
in remission and then she wasstarting to come out of
remission again.
And just when she was startingto come out of remission, her
Labrador got lymphoma and hetook that on for her because he,
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you know that was theirrelationship and she kind of had
this understanding.
She was a very open-mindedclient and you know, we were
able to have spent another twoyears with this dog and we
didn't even do any chemotherapy.
It was all.
You know integrative medicineand energy work and you know
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certainly supplements and youknow those kind of things to
help augment that.
But I think it was also herattitude that really helped.
You know, and on the flip side,if we have an animal who was
diagnosed with cancer and theowner is completely destroyed by
that, you know, then everysingle day they're going to look
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at their dog and say, oh my God, you have cancer and I'm so
afraid I'm going to lose you andyou know, I don't know how I'm
going to live without you.
That dog will hear that everysingle day, you know.
And those dogs don't survive aslong.
Basically they live onpeeled-off animals that go fast,
right?
I mean you probably experiencedthat in your patients as well.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I tell my clients, who you know, when I've had some
of my clients who had cancer,or I recently had a dog very
similar, who was in the ER forfive or six days with IBD, and
every day I would visit him andI would say, like you are so
strong and you are so healthy, Ican't believe how strong you
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are and I would you know.
And you are you.
I just continue.
It kind of sounds very StuartSmalley from Saturday Night Live
, but it's very much, you know,it's very much just putting the
energy of healing and the energyof strength and the energy of
love and the energy of optimismand I think it also gives us
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opportunities, because I thinkthe other thing is you know how
do we put this into practice ona daily basis for people that
maybe are not as familiar withenergy medicine.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
So one of the things I'll share and it's very simple
is whatever your personalprocess is for preparing your
dog's food, whether it's just,you know, putting something into
a bowl maybe it's a little bitmore involved.
You know if you're warmingthings up or adding supplements
or what have you but to justtake a moment and center
yourself, take a deep breath andliterally just have thoughts of
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positivity and gratitude forthe few minutes that you're
spending in preparing that foodand then offering that to them,
because I truly do believe thatenergy is transmuted, and
through whatever vehicle orvessel that we're using, and I
think the Masuro-Amoda waterexperiments, for me and for
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people that are really science-yminded, is a perfect example of
that.
Like Dr Sands was saying,everything is energy.
So you share that smallopportunity for those who might
not be familiar with thatexperiment, would you?
Speaker 1 (36:36):
mind sharing with the listeners what that experiment
was.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, yeah, dr Sands, do you want to, or I can.
You probably do it better thanme.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, you know, dr, you know there's.
Well, yeah, I don't know if Ido better than you, but there is
that beautiful water experimentby Dr Imodo Masuro yeah, did I
say that?
And he did.
Took pictures of water crystalsand how they formed in relation
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to phrases or emotions like youare beautiful, I love you and
versus I hate you, you're ugly.
And he took pictures ofpolluted water from rivers and
took pictures of that, and theyshow this disgusting distortion
of this muddiness, of what itlooked like.
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And then there would be ablessing on the water to put
love and beauty back into thewater.
And then he would re-take apicture and would find that the
water would start to transformand crystallize, and it looked
like these beautiful snowflakes.
And every different emotion hasthese different patterns that
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are beautifully intricate.
And so then, the take homemessage around that was, you
know, being that we're 70% 80%water by nature and actually 99%
of our molecules is water based, so we're a lot more water than
H2O than we know.
If we can crystallize theinside of us with these
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beautiful patterns, by thesethoughts of wellness, love,
beauty, you look in the mirrorand you say I love you, you're
beautiful, your cells willchange.
They will look like thosebeautiful snowflakes and then
you start to glow and youradiate and people see that.
When you're in a good mood andyou wake up in the morning and
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everything's going right and yougo out, people see that and
they'll recognize the shininessaround you and this glowing
radiance.
And it's just because you feelbeautiful, you know, and you
don't need someone else toaffirm your beauty.
You know, obviously, especiallyin the face of your dog.
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Your dog thinks you'rebeautiful all the time.
You know, no matter what theythink, you're the most beautiful
and that you smell the best,even if you smell the worst.
They love the way you smell.
You know, and just to find, youknow I agree with that it's
finding the little tools youknow that make you feel elevated
.
You know, and in the process ofmindfulness and blessings of
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the, say, the foods that you'refeeding your dogs.
I think that's a beautifulexample of that.
And laughter, to incorporatelaughter in your life, because
when we, when we laugh, there isan instant shift in our
physiology towards healing.
It just can't, it can't help it, it just does that.
And it's so easy to laugh withanimals, you know they're silly
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and they're just ridiculous.
Sometimes it's just even themishaps are just funny, you know
, and if we focus on that, likeevery day, you know there's
there's so much possibility forwellness to happen and it's so
easy.
That's the thing.
It's super, it's, it's a very.
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The solutions are, you know, Iguess it's, it's simple, simple
solutions that aren't alwayseasy, you know, like, like
laughing.
I have a.
I have, I have this pictures ofof people laughing, people and
animals laughing that I justhave on my computer and and I
(40:35):
and I look at it and I swearlike if I stare at that long
enough and it's not, it could bejust like 20 seconds I'll start
to laugh.
Just because I'm looking at allof these little faces that are
laughing and I'm I'm imaginingthe sounds that are coming out,
and then I just start laughing.
Yeah, so it's, it's, it's easyto do that, do we know, is there
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any?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
science, that should that shows whether dogs actually
laugh.
I mean, I can look at, I can.
I have dogs that I know aregoofy and they're being.
It seems like they're beinggoofy to make me laugh.
Do we know?
Do we know that if dogs canlike have, have something, can
laugh or do something similar tothat, or they know they're
(41:16):
being funny, do we know any ofthat?
Yeah, I feel like I meanthere's.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I think.
So you know, intuitively I'mgoing to say yes because you
know I've had, I've seen dogslike do something silly, and
they kind of know that they'vedone something silly.
You know they kind of stop andthen they look and then they
like like they catch themselvesand I don't know, maybe we're
(41:45):
like anthropomorphic sizing, youknow, like putting our selves
onto that.
But I think if, if you, youcould tell if you're in, if
you're in the midst of yourfamily and everyone's laughing,
you can see the energy shift inthe in the animal.
You know they get all excited,they get silly.
They may grab a toy and runaround and like they're in the
moment, you know, versuseveryone's yelling.
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And if everyone's upset theyhave a whole different demeanor.
You know most of the time it'sthey're more quiet and sometimes
they'll bark.
You know I've had my dog yellat me.
It's like he's telling, likestop yelling Totally.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, that's interesting thing.
So they're just when we'relaughing and you're, and your
dog starts even being goofy, orhe's possibly just picking up on
your, picking up on the thehealthy energy that's happening
and wants it to keep, wants itto keep going.
So that'll be my next podcastepisode.
Do dogs laugh?
How do we?
How do we know if they have asense of humor or not?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Or, how do we really?
Speaker 1 (42:39):
have a sense of humor .
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Right, and how can you make your dog laugh?
There you go.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Well, I think also, dogs are social animals, right?
So naturally they havedeveloped probably a lot better
kind of inter communication than, for example, cats that are
more solitary and areopportunistically social.
So I think, you know, do theyexperience, I don't know, like
laughter or happiness isprobably hard, but I think if we
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make it more a general term, wewould all agree they experience
joy and I think we all you know, even us individually probably
have a different definition ofwhat joy is for us, but just
just kind of general feelings ofpositivity.
I think the other reallyimportant thing to keep in mind
for energy medicine and a lot ofwhat we're talking about is
this is accessible for everyone.
(43:28):
You know, of course, if you goto an energy practitioner, yes,
there's going to be a costassociated with that, but if you
are someone who is trying to dothe most with what you have,
really all that takes is timeand dedication and being aware.
So it's really something thatis available to everybody to
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incorporate on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, I think that the challenge comes into play
when you're so steeped indisease and it's so deeply
rooted that it's hard to seethat as a solution.
Right, because you're so.
First of all, you have a lot ofinformation from other doctors
by this time.
You know, for instance, you mayhave a dermatologist or a
(44:17):
gastroenterologist and yourcardiologist, and you know your
internist and everybody's givingyou different image viewpoints
and different medications.
And now, all of a sudden,you're in a ton of medications
and then you go see anintegrative practitioner who's
going to give you, you know,dietary changes and supplements
and you know that you can't getinto your animal because you're
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on too many medications and itgets really bombarded and
difficult and very stressful.
I think the end result is thatthe owner is really stressed at
this point because there's justso much and they just don't know
what to do and they just butthey want the solution, they
want their animal to be okay.
And I have met, you know, thesepeople who are spending most of
(45:03):
their waking life catering totheir disease of their animals,
and it may soundcounterintuitive, but sometimes
the best thing to do is justtake a step back and see,
envision a global wellness,right To have a lot of my
(45:25):
clients go through avisualization process of
imagining that their animalscompletely well, right and that
their paralyzed dog is runningon the beach and they're with
them, you know.
Or the dog that's, you know,having some skin issues is, you
know, just perfect, like aperfect envisionment of this
(45:46):
animal and really feel what thatwould mean, like it's just the
same kind of process that we dowhen we're manifesting our own
wellness journey.
It's like we'll envision us,you know, dancing or jogging or
climbing that mountain if wehave back issues, right, and not
(46:08):
getting caught up in the whatif I can't do this, or what if
this isn't going to work.
It's more of this is me andthis is me climbing the mountain
, this is me jogging down thebeach, and you create the
feeling of what it feels like tobe like that, that exhilaration
(46:29):
, the joy, the freedom, therelease, you know whatever that
is.
And then you can.
You carry that vision with youwherever you go and even if it's
in the morning, you could justdo certain times before you go
to bed.
In the morning, when you guyswake up, you can go in this
beautiful golden bubble of lightand wellness and just imagine
(46:50):
the two of you in it and createthe wellness moment and then
start your day.
You know, and don't have anattachment to the what if this
doesn't work, because I thinkthat's a lot of it for us on our
journeys is that we always havethis fear that what if I'm
doing is not good enough, whatif I'm doing is not going to
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work, and what if I fail?
It's like, well, what if yousucceed?
You know, what if it's great?
What if you're happy?
What about the other side ofthat coin that we don't like to
always look at.
So you know when you, when youthink about the healing phases,
there's many levels.
(47:32):
You know I like to call it,have a terminology it's called
bio, epic healing and thatstands for epic, epic, and we
heal.
We heal from the.
You know bio energetic, biophysical, bio intelligence and
bio chemical.
So on every single level, youknow we're going to address our
(47:53):
healing.
You know the bio physical is ismaybe getting massage therapies
or rehabilitation.
You know body work, the biochemical is going to be the
foods that you put in yoursystem.
You know, maybe the, the herbsand the supplements and the
pharmaceuticals is needed.
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The bio energetic is going tobe the things that we may use
like music therapy or soundtherapy or light therapy, even
things like homeopathy.
And then the bio intelligenceis sort of that icing on the
cake, where we are using ourthoughts and our emotions to
transmute the frequencies thatare that are lending itself to
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the trauma.
And you know, when you gothrough all of those levels, you
know healing.
Healing happens, it just does.
You know we're designed forhealing and we forget that.
You know the body's designedfor that and if we really
embrace that aspect, it trulyends up being a win-win
situation.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, and I guess along those lines, to like
granting ourselves kind, likeloving, kindness and just being
gentle with ourselves, becauseknowing our own boundaries is
important, like there are daysthat are going to be hard, and
that's okay, and that doesn'tmean that the next day is going
to be, and, like you were saying, it's just really just do the
(49:24):
best you can in every situationand that's enough.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Exactly that loving kindness is so important and
just giving a little latitude tohow you feel.
Like you said, there will begood and bad days, and why?
Because everything is afrequency.
There's highs and there's lows.
That's the nature of vibrationand there's it's a polarity of
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those frequencies and thepolarity is really a negative
and a positive.
And these negative and positiveforces are there because they
move around each other andthey're not good or bad, or
right or wrong.
They're just this necessaryenergy that makes things move.
And we have to accept the gooddays with the bad days, because
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they will always cycle through.
You know, and, and there's abalance.
There's a balance there and,like you said, it's important to
just, you know, be okay withourselves and not be too hard on
ourselves and not hard on ouranimals.
And you know, and, and you know, not every animal is going to
(50:33):
take on your disease.
They won't do it.
There is those that will be therock and will stand there
completely fine, because they'remore of a soundboard.
You know, every, every specieshas their own little way that
they, that they resonate withthe humans, and I don't think
there's any accidents of whathumans pick as a species, of a
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dog or, you know, a breed toshow up in their lives
Interesting, you know it'sfascinating.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
In alignment with that.
We were talking about therapydogs and I'm just curious if you
have ever noticed in yourpractice that therapy dogs tend
to have more like, carry on moredisease than like an abnormal
amount of disease.
Like, what did they do withthat energy?
(51:26):
You know, if they, if they'retaking on the energy of, of, of
their owner who possibly is sick, where, how, how is that not
manifesting in their body insome form or another?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah right, and you know, I think about those kind
of things and it's a greatquestion and what I, what I
think is happening is there's anunderstanding of the
relationship from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
That gave me chills.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
That the dog right that dog is is being trained and
there's a relationship that isformed and an understanding and
a sort of a contract to say,okay, I'm this, I'm this dog for
you and I'm going to be ofservice for you because I'm
going to help you function andso I can't, I'm not going to
(52:16):
falter, that you know, and I'mgoing to, I'm going to keep that
going and and yeah, I meanthere are times I get I mean I
don't work with that many likeguide dogs or, you know, service
dogs to have like this metaanalysis collective of like
thousands of cases.
But it would be interesting tosee you know how many of those,
(52:42):
how many of those do get sick,because I don't, I think a lot
of them don't.
The ones that I see, it seemsyou know they come in with
intermittent things that aren'treally Disease.
You know, connected.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Interesting.
That makes sense, Dr Linda.
You had something before Iinterrupted you.
You were going to say something.
Oh, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
The only thing I was going to say is I think the
other beauty behind the positiveand negative going back to that
is, without the kind ofpolarity it's hard to appreciate
one without the other.
So at least for myself, onthose days that may be a little
bit harder.
I think it really allows us torelish in and very, really enjoy
(53:27):
the good days, and that'ssomething that I think is really
important to apply to.
You know, kind of seniorgeriatric times with our animals
that we're sharing space withis.
You know, they are going to ageand we're going to get to a
point where we do have to allowthem to leave us.
(53:48):
But really just enjoying everyday and trying to be in the
moment, I think that's one ofthe things that they bring more
than anything is be here now.
It doesn't matter what happenedfive minutes ago or what's
going to happen tomorrow, justbe present with them.
That's all a lot of times.
That's all that they want fromus and we all need that, I think
(54:08):
collectively so much.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
So just to really lean into that, yeah, yeah, dr
Liz, that's perfect, becausethat's so true.
It is really the essence ofbeing in that now, in that
moment, the present moment, thatmindfulness of that, because
most of the problems that weexperience are because we are
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focusing on the past and seeingthe future with the lenses of
the past, right, so we're eventrying we're always trying to
bring the past into the present,so that we're worrying about
the future and we're neverreally here.
And when you're here, there'snever a problem, ever, because
(54:55):
you're just here and you'redoing what you're doing and
you're, even if you trip, okay,so you tripped, and now you've
recovered, and now you'rewalking again, right, and you're
not going to not walk becauseyou're afraid that you're going
to trip again, or you're notgoing to envision falling
(55:16):
because you've tripped beforeand now you don't want to do it
in the present.
It's like it gets all tangled,you know, if we just kind of let
that go and be in the moment,and that's where the magic
happens In quantum physics, ifwe want to bring that down to
that is, there's this moment intime where these energies are at
(55:38):
this perfect spot and where theintentionality of your
experience manifests.
And it's in that moment of purepresence and awareness, without
a projection from a future or aworry into the future, from the
(56:03):
past.
They call it a scalar moment,where these frequencies are at
this sort of this standstillmoment and you can tap into that
moment by just being in thepresent and sort of manifesting
(56:29):
a wellness idea.
I don't know if I'm not reallyexplaining this right.
I'm sort of tangent in my ownmind.
I'm thinking about somethingelse.
It's like the moment where Icall it being in the zone.
I think everyone has always hassome point in their life
experience this, and I thinkit's mostly in sports.
I think, right, if you,whatever you're playing, whether
(56:51):
it's volleyball or basketballor tennis or soccer there's a
moment in your life that you canrecall one time where, right
before you hit the ball, youknew exactly where it was going
to go and it was either going togo into the basket or it's
going to go into the goal, oryou were going to hit that
tennis where you just it's justperfect, perfect moment and you
(57:15):
knew it before it even happened.
You could have closed your eyesand had the whole thing play
out.
And it's that moment, it's thepower of that feeling and that
moment.
That's where that magic happens, and I think the challenge is
to get that back when we want itto happen and not when we're
(57:36):
not really thinking about it.
And you can practice that.
That's called going intocoherence, and there's a
physiological way to do that,and it starts with breathing and
mindfulness and offsetting yourfight or flight mechanism,
getting your parasympatheticonline and then connecting your
(57:57):
heart with your brain.
It's where your thoughts andyour emotions are in alignment.
You're feeling and thinking anddoing the same thing.
It's like standing in front ofa pathway where you have a
choice to go in one direction orthe other, and your heart may
(58:19):
be saying I should go to theleft, but your brain is saying
that looks a little sketchy.
I should go to the right, andthen now there's this disconnect
because you don't know where togo.
But if you followed your heart,your heart usually knows the
better place to be.
And then, if you can get yourbrain to sort of settle into the
(58:43):
conversation of the heart,that's the conversation that
your body has and that's whenyou're in sync with your
physiology.
And if you're always going downthat road where your heart and
your mind are in connection,usually you're on the right path
.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
And then I think one thing that would be really great
for us to talk about is forpeople that are interested in
exploring this more or inbringing this to their daily
lives.
Are there resources that youhave found to be really helpful
for some of your clients?
Or, because I feel like it'ssuch a broad scope like
breathwork meditation there's somany ways to go about it how
(59:24):
would you recommend that someoneexplore to see what works for
them, because then that wouldresonate and benefit their
animals?
Speaker 2 (59:38):
Yeah, there are so many different ways and I find
that when they're on theirhealing journeys, there are so
many different people that aretalking about the same thing but
in their own specific way, andit's because everyone's going to
resonate with someone elsedifferently, like there's
(59:58):
healings from, say, like, louiseHayes, bruce Lipton, joe
Dispenza, tony Robbins, abrahamHicks.
There's so many differentconversations that are being had
(01:00:24):
on so many different levelsbecause everyone gets it
differently.
So for me, in a more of asciencey kind of way, there's an
Institute of HeartMath.
If you go on heartmathorg,that's going to be my next
question.
(01:00:47):
You could look at their videosand go online.
There's a lot of researcharticles, but there's also a lot
of little videos that will talkabout how to go into coherence.
But then there's no, thattechnique is not very different
than just breathing.
There's certain breathingtechniques.
There's all types of breathingtechniques that we call the
breathwork.
There's numbered breathing,there's 444 breathing, there's
(01:01:14):
765 breathing.
There's breathing in and out.
I think, at the end of the day,it's what fits for you and what
resonates for you, because thatis where it's going to make the
most sense and then you're goingto be able to follow that.
For sciencey-minded people,there's a really good book
(01:01:35):
called the Biology of Beliefthat Dr Bruce Lipton wrote and
that starts kind of talkingabout the conversation about
epigenetics and how your biologyis.
You're not a victim of that, sothat's a more sciencey thing.
All the beautiful books thatare written by Joe Dispenza I
(01:01:57):
really like him.
You are the placebo is one ofhis books and it's like yeah,
you are.
Your thoughts are all manifest.
So there's many, many.
I think people should just startgoing be open to the little
(01:02:22):
signs that your life is showingyou, because if you just put it
out to say, hey, I want to learnmore about spirituality.
And then you pick up a magazinein the store and you open up to
a page and there's a person andlike, oh, what is that?
So follow those breadcrumbs.
I think that's the best way.
(01:02:44):
Or say you're going online andyou're opening up an email, or
follow an idea that you have, ifsomething just pops into your
head oh, I want to learn aboutsound therapy.
Or there's a song that's on theradio that resonates with you
and like, oh well, that'sinteresting.
(01:03:05):
What was that saying?
What was that line?
And then maybe taking that linethat the God could be
significant to something thatyou needed to hear at that
moment.
So what we find?
That when we're in that placeof stillness and our minds are
quiet and we're in our hearts,what we find is there are
(01:03:28):
synchronicities in our livesthat seem to happen that we
haven't noticed before, butwe're noticing now, and that
leads us on our little trails.
I don't know.
There was one day I was looking,I was like you know what?
I want to get?
A book on energy medicine.
I don't know who to go to, Idon't know what I'm really
(01:03:51):
looking for and I don't know.
I was walking down the streetand I wandered into this store.
It wasn't even a bookstore, itwas like it sold soaps and
crafts and things like that.
It was pretty and it smellednice in there.
And I walk in and there's twobooks in there that they're
selling and one of them was thisbeautiful energy book.
So I was like, oh, I'm going tobuy this energy book and it was
(01:04:16):
.
I read the book and it was.
It was it's called EnergyHealing by this elderly woman.
She's 83 years old.
She was her only book she everwrote and I.
On the back of the book therewas a phone number if you wanted
to contact the author.
(01:04:36):
It was you know.
So I, after I read the book, Ihad all these questions for her
because she did a lot of energyhealing remotely with her, with
her clients, and I had thisquestion about animals and
humans and that's kind of whereI started this journey.
(01:04:57):
So I called this number in thebook and she answered the phone
and we started talking and shesaid it's.
I never usually answer thephone, but I knew it was you.
Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Interesting I was like wow.
Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
I was like okay.
Okay, she says you havequestions for me.
And I'm like I do, I havequestions.
And so I started asking herthese questions and so she
started giving me these names.
She gave me the names of BruceLipton and and and Joe Dispenza
and Greg Braden.
(01:05:30):
She said do you know thesepeople?
And I'm like not really youknow.
And she was like, well, youknow not, you should know these
people.
And I'm like okay.
So then I made it my mission togo investigate who they were,
get get their books, read theirbooks, meet them in person, you
know.
So that's kind of how my littlebit of my breadcrumb journey,
(01:05:53):
and you just never know.
You just got to be open toreceive the information and ask
the question.
Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
I love that because it's such a good example of
following your intuition andhaving that in.
It's not just always one person, but there's like one
interaction or one person thatyou'll meet.
That just sets you on the paththat you were destined to go on
anyway, and then to think of howmany people you've now
influenced to have that sameexperience.
(01:06:22):
It's.
It's just, that's so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Yeah, and my journey is my journey.
You know it's not everybody'sjourney and everyone has their
own particular way, buteventually we all meet because
the there's this ultimate truthof healing that happens, even
though we all have ourindividual truths and our own
individual realities when itcomes to the essence of healing,
(01:06:47):
honestly, I think the ultimatetruth is love Me too.
You know that's the energyfrequency that heals it.
All, you know, and especiallywhen I do my shamanic healing
practices, that's the energythat flows through.
Is that the conduit.
I'm just this conduit ofenergetic love and all I think
(01:07:11):
about is healing.
You know, I don't think abouthow I'm going to heal it or if I
fail in the healing process.
So what am I going to bethought of if this doesn't
happen?
Like there's, there's, no, Itry not to put that negativity
or any of the questions into theprocess, because it's not about
me, you know.
(01:07:31):
It's about the animal, it'sabout the experience, it's about
the global wellness, and so Itry to do that and I've, I've
been pleasantly, I've beensurprised at how well that works
.
It's amazing when you just kindof let that stuff happen and
flow, healing happens.
We just have to, we just haveto believe that it's possible
(01:07:53):
and give her permission to do so.
You know, and you have to be,you have to be ready to heal.
You know, and some, and forsome people, that's not, that's
not what their purpose is.
You know, it's not.
You know, and there are someanimals that will be very sick
and they will die early, andthere will be some people just
like that, and that's okay too,you know, and not you.
(01:08:18):
Just we could just offer whatwe know that can help and it's
up to the individual to takethat in.
You know, you can't, you can'tforce healing.
Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
You have to be open and willing and desire it.
Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Because we sometimes have certain attachments to like
the negative ways that we'refeeling right.
So it serves a purpose for us.
It keeps us safe, or it keepsus from expanding.
It keeps us, you know, allsorts of things Right.
Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
I know a lot of people yeah, I know a lot of
people, who are sick and theyare so comfortable in their
illness that they don't evenknow what it would look like to
feel.
Well, it scares them, you know,because then they have a whole
other, different level ofresponsibility, you know, and
(01:09:09):
there's there's responsibility,there's accountability, there's
you know all of that, and peoplejust it's too painful or scary
to go there, you know, and andthat's okay, it's okay, like you
don't.
The whole thing is not to havejudgment around that.
And you know, bringing it backto your pet, just be in the
(01:09:29):
moment, even if it's, even ifit's a moment on a very dreary
day, you know, and your, your,your dog just does something
hysterically silly, because Idon't really think a day goes by
when a dog doesn't do somethingsilly, something that makes you
laugh, something that either isjust so cute it makes you laugh
, or something silly yeah.
Yeah Right, it's just I don'tthink there's one day that goes
(01:09:52):
by that that's not a thing youknow.
So just take that moment andamplify it, you know, and that's
going to bring a little bit ofsunshine into your life and,
whether or not you, you realizeit, believe it or understand it,
there's a healing that happenswhen that happens.
Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
So appreciate this.
It was just wonderful.
I just can't say it enough.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Oh, you're welcome, it was super fun.
Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Thank you so much for listening to this episode of
the Beru podcast, as always, ifyou enjoyed the episode, please
don't forget to rate and followus wherever you listen to
podcasts.
You can also follow us onInstagram at Beru podcast, and
if you have a story of cancompanionship you'd like to
share with me, or you have asuggestion, a suggestion or even
a comment, I would love to hearfrom you.
(01:10:41):
You can email me, charlotte, attheberucom.
All right, you guys, let's chatsoon.
Dogs make the best companions for humans.
This podcast aims to help makehumans better companions for
their dogs.
Welcome to the Baroo Podcast, amodern lifestyle podcast for
dogs and their people.
I'm your host, charlotte Bain.
I've been caring for otherpeople's dogs for more than 15
(00:21):
years and, while I've learned alot in my career, I definitely
don't know at all.
So I've collected anever-evolving roster of amazing
dog people and I learn newthings from them all the time.
Hi you guys.
(00:45):
Thank you so much for joiningme for this episode of the Baroo
Podcast.
Today is, in my opinion, a veryspecial episode, and it may be
one of my favorite chats so far.
Dr Barry Sands joins us to talkabout the energetic connection
we have with our pets.
Dr Sands is a veterinarian.
She's a healer, an educator, ascientist, author, artist and a
(01:08):
speaker.
We chat about the scientificroots of energy medicine and she
offers insights into how ourvibrational states have the
power to influence and heal notjust ourselves but also our pets
.
We touch on the principles ofquantum physics as well as the
impact of emotional wellness inveterinary care.
(01:28):
So let's just jump into thischat.
Well, thanks you, too, forpopping on.
It's nice to see you again.
Dr Lindsay and Dr Sands, I am sothrilled to have you on to chat
with me because you bring suchvalue to pet parents, to the
(01:49):
veterinary community, to reallyanything that has to do with our
pets and our human wellness aswell.
You have a huge toolbox oftools that you can pull from.
You've been in emergency roomveterinarian for over 20 years
and you also practice holisticmedicine, and you also bring
(02:11):
something very unique to thetable, which is energy medicine,
something that I'm fascinatedby.
I'm going to get all theterminology wrong throughout
this whole conversation, so justbear with me, but I really want
to focus on energy medicinetoday and the relationship that
we have between ourselves andour pets in terms of the
(02:34):
energetic connection that wehave.
Would that be quantum physics?
Like what is?
Can you explain, first off,what energy medicine is?
For those of us who, like,really either are have heard the
term and are like poo, poo it alittle bit, or whatever, it's
not science-based, it's all forthe woo-woo's.
And to those of us who kind ofhave a little bit of an idea but
(02:54):
we're not quite sure how do wecategorize it?
What do we do with it?
You want to touch?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
on that a little bit.
Yeah, that's a great question.
So I agree, there's this sortof stigma of energy medicine
being sort of woo-woo and outthere, but in essence, when you
really have an understanding ofwhat that means, it seems to be
(03:22):
more of this.
Oh yeah, of course this is howit is and it's the understanding
of what energy really means.
And there's many different ways, I think, of approaching the
understanding.
But if you simplify theequation that Einstein had, e
equals MC squared, which meansenergy equals matter times the
(03:49):
speed of light squared.
So basically what that says isthat energy is equal to matter
and matter is energy, and sothey're one and the same.
And when you think about energymedicine, everything in life is
(04:10):
made up of energy at itsfundamental units, from when you
have a body, to an organ, to amolecule, to an atom, to the
subatomic particles, and thenthe interrelationship between
all those subatomic particlesand how it's tapping into this
(04:31):
global field of energy, which isnot separate from any one thing
.
And I don't know if that makessense, but that allows us to
understand how the one is theeverything, because we're all
interconnected on this very,very, very small level.
(04:52):
And it's when we take all theseenergy vibrations and
frequencies, because everythingin life has a vibration and a
frequency and it's just a wave,and waves are energy and so it's
in your body.
It's the energy that drives thephysics, the physics and the
(05:17):
energy is what creates thebiochemistry and the
biochemistry creates the biology.
So if you just take that bigleap from the energy to the
biology, it makes sense, becauseall of that is in between and
the biology and the matter thatwe are is just a manifestation
(05:40):
of the different types offrequencies and waves.
And I think when we approach ourbiology from a point of energy,
you can heal the body with theenergy, almost bypassing the
biochemistry, right?
(06:01):
So when we have been taught inour Western medical
indoctrination of how medicineworks, is what we're taught, to
treat symptoms withpharmaceuticals, which is
chemistry.
So we're using chemistry totreat chemistry, the
(06:21):
biochemistry in our bodies, buton the vibrational level, if we
just bypass the biochemistryinto the energy, you can treat
that with vibrations and thingslike sound therapy or homeopathy
is a way that works on thatenergetic level, and other
(06:46):
vibrational therapies such aslight.
So basically light and sound,and then you have you know
you're coming even more esotericthoughts and emotions because
that has frequencies and energyoutputs, and so when we have
this global understanding ofthat, we can that our biology is
(07:11):
just this amalgamation of allof these different frequencies
and our dis-ease is opposite tothe harmony right.
The word disease comes fromdis-ease, which means that there
is a dis-harmony in the system.
Then you can realign it easyenough with just frequencies,
(07:34):
adding in new frequencies,whether it new vibrations, new
thought pratins, new emotions,new, you know, sound or light
technology into that.
It's quite magnificent when youstart to really understand it.
Is that too much?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
No, no, that's fantastic.
I mean, I've heard the termeverything is energy and we are
all energy.
So that you know, when youthink about in terms of
everything is energy thefoundation of everyone and
everything is energy.
That makes sense, right.
How does that relate to andthis might be a big leap, but
how does that relate to theconnection that we have with our
(08:13):
animals and with our pets?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, so we know that energetically we can broadcast
our thoughts, emotions, how wevibrate in the world.
We have this around us.
(08:37):
There's an energy field andeveryone has different
terminologies for the energythat's around us.
You know, things like abiofield is an energy field
that's around us and that'sactually scientifically measured
.
There is a biofield that'smeasured outwardly from us at
least nine feet and thosestudies have been done by the
(09:00):
use of technology calledmagnetometers and they can study
the fields that we emit andthat's just a technology that we
have designed so far that canmeasure it.
But it's known to go out reallyreally far, like some people
can say that our fields go outat least 50 feet from us in all
directions and that's yeah, andthat's really no idea.
(09:23):
It was that much.
It can be really far, andpeople that are really sensitive
they'll feel that when you'rein their field you know like
you're in my space and you canfeel the intrusion of someone
else's energy, and they may noteven be that close to you.
So you can feel that and soit's just becoming a little bit
(09:46):
more aware of the subtlefrequencies that are around us.
When we start to become awareof that, then we'll start to
feel that more and more.
It's just something we have tolearn.
Our animals are naturally ableto go in that field and be with
us and their energy fields aremore open and expansive and
(10:11):
welcoming.
You know, they're just.
I mean, think of a dog.
They're all love, right, andthey're all inclusive.
And when it comes to the pairedgroups of, like an animal and
the human that they chose,there's always seems to be one
particular human in a familythat, say, a dog will bond more
(10:33):
to you know, energetically,whether it's the mom or the dad
or the child, or obviously, ifyou're alone, and it's just a
one-on-one pair, right, that'ssomething in and of itself.
But what I have found is andmost people will know this
intuitively that their dog andthem are extremely connected.
(10:57):
You know, my dog weeds my mindor he knows exactly what I'm
thinking, you know, right, Imean, I like to think so yeah.
Yeah, and they, even if you aretrying to hide your thoughts
from your dog, they know it.
Like, if you're gettingprepared to go on a walk with
(11:19):
your dog, right, you don't evenhave to.
You could be doing somethingelse, you could be feeding the
cats or, you know, doing themail, and your dog somehow knows
that you thought about takingthem on a walk and they already
have their leash in their mouth.
Or they're like at the tour andthey're all excited.
Yeah, right, they know it.
And you're like no, I didn'tthink that, don't stop it, I'm
(11:41):
not ready, you know.
But there is a.
Because of the closerelationship that we have with
our animals, they pick up ourenergies and the easiest way
that I think that manifests thatpeople are aware of is when
people have anxiety, right, whenan anxious owner has an anxious
(12:03):
dog, it's for the most part,you know, I don't.
I think there are those dogsthat are, you know, those
therapy dogs that are made ortrained to be more of the rocks
and the stabilizers of theanxiety, right, and they have a
way to offset that from them.
(12:25):
But in the general world, youhave a, you know, really high
strung owner.
There's going to be a highstrung dog, and that energy also
translates beyond just theemotional anxiety.
It translates into physicalmanifestations of disease and
(12:47):
I've seen that many, many times.
In fact, you know, even with DrLindsay I'm sure she can
corroborate this.
When you know, you askveterinarians have you ever
noticed that your patients havethe same disease as the owners?
I've never met one veterinarianthat says no.
Everybody says oh yeah, ofcourse.
(13:10):
And that's when I startedsaying, well, wait a minute.
If we're all saying of course,what is this, that we're?
What's happening here?
There's this really strangephenomenon that's going beyond
this physical world that weshould have, we should
understand, and the more Idelved into it, the more
fascinating it became.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I can share firsthand that my dog, chance, and I
share so many of the same thingsand like just even down to like
left hip issues, like you know,and we used to have like the
same kind of gut issues, and myfirsthand experience, I've done,
I do something called EmotionalFreedom Technique and I've been
(13:55):
doing it for about five no gosh, it's been since 2015.
And I have we really, like afew years ago, moved through
some this goes into the emotionsand, you know, traumas or
whatever we've really movedthrough when, when working with
the woman that I work with,through some of those, and I am
(14:19):
telling you, I saw a shift in mydog.
He suddenly became like he justlike lighter and his health
seemed to improve.
He's pushing, he'll be 16 nextweek and he and this was around
age I would say like 11 or 12.
And I he started.
(14:39):
I really just saw thesignificant shift in him for the
better.
And when I think back on that,I think that when his
veterinarians used to say likewow, he looks even better than
he did when he was, you know, ashe's aging, I think back on
those shifts that I made withmyself and there had to have
been a connection there I justhad.
I can't I can't psych typicallysay how that happened, but
(15:03):
there had to have been right.
Maybe you can tell me ifthere's a scientific, you know
reason for that.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So you know the, the, the working plausible
explanation around, that is theinterrelation between the
biofields, right.
So when there are frequenciesthat are being generated even in
our own body, say, we'll talkabout our own self and how a lot
of us get our own diseases,there is mechanisms, epigenetic
(15:36):
mechanisms, right.
That where disease is anexpression of a genetic code or
a blueprint in in the, your DNA,to express a protein, right,
that's how your body makesproteins.
And if you're makinginefficient proteins or things
are going awry or there aremutations in the coding, then
(15:59):
certain things happen in thecells, cells get wonky and then
certain diseases show up.
I mean, that's a sort ofrudimentary explanation, but
through these mechanisms of geneexpression they are dictated by
(16:19):
the, the certain energeticfrequencies that we're exposing
ourselves to.
So if we kind of just thinkabout, say, our psychosomatic
emotions, right, there's aphenomenon where people,
diseases are psychosomatic inexpression, where you have a
certain emotional trauma that'sunmetabolized, that your body
(16:43):
decides to put somewhere in yourbody to manifest as disease.
Right.
And I think this sort ofunderstanding of how our disease
manifests in our bodies isbecoming more mainstream in
conversation, because there's alot more of psychosomatic work,
you know, releasing youremotional traumas and then your
body starts to feel better.
And where in the body that itmanifests is metaphorically,
(17:07):
sometimes, you know, like peoplesay, who have shoulder pain
will have some emotionalconflict about carrying the
weight of the world on theirshoulders.
You know, and it's very, it's avery amazing thing to talk
about.
I don't think it's kind ofwithin the scope of our
conversation today, yeah.
So, however, the mechanisms arekind of similar, right.
(17:32):
So we have this, these thoughtsand these emotions that, when
they're not in a coherent stateor when they're in a negative
emotional state, look of say,you know, fear, anger,
resentment, judgment,intolerance, frustration, anger,
(17:54):
depression, anxiety, like thosekind of feelings.
When they manifest in ourbodies, it shows up in some sort
of ailment, right?
I mean, we know that when wecan have GI disease, we can have
chronic diarrhea, we can haveskin issues and rashes and
hypertension, right, all thatstuff.
And so now you take that andthat is, and we have
(18:18):
scientifically found that thoseemotions, of any emotions, but
emotions of fear and anxiety andfrustration, when it's put out
in your biofield it has its ownfrequency that gets emitted and
(18:38):
your animal is in your fieldbecause they want to, because
they love you, because they'reinvested in everything about you
, right?
So that energetic frequency isgoing to be meshing with their
field and their, the vibrationsaround.
(18:59):
That is going to be picked upby their own genetic material,
right, their own epigenetics,and so then there is perhaps an
expression within themselves tocreate the same sort of
phenomenon, based upon thefrequencies that they're
experiencing, which is kind ofthe same as yours, right?
(19:19):
So then it has the samemanifestation in their own
bodies, right?
So, say, it's like a hipproblem or a heart arrhythmia.
I mean, I have seen suchintimately connected diseases
between the human and the animalto the point where they're
sharing brain tumors or leukemia, or kidney tumors, cardiac
(19:46):
arrhythmias, pericardialeffusions, immune mediated
diseases like platelet problems,like immune mediated
thrombocytopenia, like the ownerand the dog will have the same
exact disease.
And I've had clients say to meDr Sands, do you think I gave my
dog my disease?
And I asked, I said, well, whois the dog bonded to?
(20:09):
And this particular client saidme.
And I said, well, you didn'treally give your dog the disease
, but you guys are certainlyentangled with that, and so,
yeah, and so then my questionhas been if the bigger question
was that.
(20:29):
I know that in my experience,humans love their animals more
than they love themselves.
They will go beyond all sortsof means to make sure their
animals are healthy, well totheir own neglect.
And so I was like, well, ifhumans knew how much of an
(20:51):
impact that their health had ontheir animals, would they choose
to take care of themselvesbetter?
And then we'd have this fullcircle wellness thing going on,
and that's my goal, I think.
Hopefully that's going to be atrend.
(21:12):
But yeah, there is definitely inthe field of quantum physics
and quantum medicine.
That is where you can get theseplausible explanations of how
frequency can interact with thegenetic expression of a
manifestation of disease throughthe encoding of your DNA.
(21:32):
And that's one explanation.
There's another explanationthat is also kind of very
psychosomatic that I'm delvinginto currently, right now, and
trying to make sense of it, andperhaps we could talk about that
(21:57):
at a later time.
But there's a definitely aninteresting phenomenon on what's
called biological decoding inhumans, where you are really
getting to the nitty gritty ofwhy you have the emotional
conflict and where that camefrom, and then when there's this
(22:17):
aha moment, you can transmutethat and dissolve the disease.
It's almost like a spontaneousremission, and I think that's
another mechanism of how we'resharing our conditions with our
dogs and our cats, and someanimals are more susceptible
than others dogs much more thancats.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Interesting Is that in alignment with dealing with
ancestral or generational trauma, is that like it's just kind of
ingrained in our DNA?
You're talking about thebiological decoding.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, I'm so fascinated.
Yeah, it could be.
It goes generational.
It could be from your mom, fromyour grandparents to their
great grandparents and throughlineages.
I mean there are some that sayyou know seven generations back,
you can have something that'scarried into the lineage and you
(23:17):
know it's.
It's a different conversationthan, like I'm a victim of my
genealogy.
You know, like, my grandmotherhas breast cancer, my mom has
breast cancer, my sister hasbreast cancer, my aunt has
breast cancer, so of course I'mgoing to get breast cancer and
(23:38):
it's because we have the genefor it.
But no, that's not theconversation, right?
Just because you have a genefor something doesn't mean it's
going to get expressed right.
And so the expression of thegene is that epigenetic markers,
and a lot of it is the belief,it's your belief, that you know
(23:59):
everyone in my family has it.
So of course I'm going to haveit right.
So of course you're going tohave it.
It just works that way, youknow.
So that's a.
There's a lot to talk aboutwith that.
That's so fascinating.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I think one other thing that that brings to mind
for me is the power of thought,and so I do a lot of which I've
talked about before.
But I participate in a lot ofend of life and transition work,
and one of the things I havefound that are such a simple on
the surface but complicatedaspect to integrate into that is
(24:33):
staying as positive as possibleboth leading up to that time
and then also while you're goingthrough that time, and just the
idea that because I think a lotof people fall into this is
going to be horrible.
You know, I'm I'm worried aboutwhat this looks like, but if you
come from a place of just beinga support and being a strong
foundation and, like Dr Sandswas saying, there area lot of
(24:56):
people that will find thestrength for their animals that
they can't find for themselves,and just keeping that, those
types of thoughts, at theforefront of their mind, it's
amazing how much their animalswill respond to that Like, even
on a day to day basis, ofthey're going to have diarrhea
again.
It's like, okay, let's try tochange that narrative and come
(25:18):
into this with a more positivethought, because there's no harm
in doing that, and how much ofan improvement they'll have
without changing anything else.
So it's simple, but it's really.
If we all are able to change ourmindset and I completely
resonate with the fact and I amguilty of this I will go to the
ends of the earth for my dog.
(25:39):
It is a lot harder for me tomotivate myself to do that, and
I have found the same with myclients, and I think anxiety is
a really great example of that.
I have quite a few patients thatI've managed for anxiety and I
can only get them to a certainlevel of improvement and what is
stopping it is their.
Their human counterpart has towork on their anxiety management
(26:00):
and creating tools forthemselves, because if they
can't create a peacefulenvironment for themselves, it
is so challenging to help theiranimal get to where they want
them to be.
So even really simple thingslike if you have a stressful day
and you're coming home and I'vestarted doing this for myself
and I've noticed a hugedifference take the time to find
some sort of tool that you canuse before you enter the house
(26:23):
and then bring that energy toyour animal that's been waiting
all day to see you.
It's just the little, thesubtle changes that we can make
that you know, and it ends upbeing beneficial for us too, and
everyone in our environment.
It's not just our animals,Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I had a client of mine who cameto me in my integrative
practice because her dog, herlittle dog, was having.
She was diagnosed with chronicpancreatitis and she was having
vomiting and not eating andissues.
(26:59):
And so you know, when she cameto me getting a deeper dive into
the history, the dog was bondedto the husband first and she
the husband was very ill and hehad kidney cancer and the dog
was with the owner day in andday out, before, even before he
(27:22):
died, and this it was athree-year-old dog.
When I met her and this littledog, she, in our work up that I
did with her along around herhistorical chronic pancreatitis,
I offered an abdominalultrasound let's start with the
ultrasound and see what's goingon in there and her pancreas was
perfect.
(27:42):
However, her kidneys had a lotof architectural changes to them
, even though her kidney enzymeswere normal, and I attributed
that in this three-year-old dog,in my way of thinking, was that
had some kind of link to the tothe husband that she was so
bonded to, with his kidneydisease, even though it didn't
(28:04):
manifest as an outward diseasein her.
So so the husband did pass awayand now the dog is now bonded
to mom and mom is terriblydistraught about her, the death
of her husband, and so she'sdoing a lot of grieving and
crying and and in the process ofof working together the dog we
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switched his diet, we got him ona better food source, we got
him on some supplements andnutraceuticals and Chinese herbs
and acupuncture and she wasdoing great.
She was doing great.
And then mom would come and andinto an appointment and I'd say
how are things doing?
She goes, you know she's doinggreat.
However, she has thisintermittent vomiting that she
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still does and I really couldn'tunderstand where that, like why
that was a factor.
And so I asked her what she wasdoing during the times that the
dog was vomiting and because Iknow that she was very upset
with her husband and momrealized that there was a
connection between the timesthat she would cry and grieve
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and worry about her husband,that all of a sudden the dog
started having vomiting issues.
And then her and I startedworking together on having her
manage her stress and hergrieving and just tools and
tactics of how to, you know,manage that better and maybe not
in front of the dog, and thatkind of thing.
And then you know, I don't know, I hadn't.
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I didn't hear for her formonths and then, like four
months later, she just calls meto check in and I said how is
everybody doing?
She says everything is great.
You know, she stopped vomiting.
I'm much more balanced, I'mgrieving differently, I feel
better about my husband and soit was a.
It was the pivotal moment, likeyou were saying, when mom really
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embraced her healing that thedog is was better, you know, and
in other realms you know, thedog would be on chronic
medications, right, you know,and pharmaceuticals for the
vomiting and the not eating.
And you know, and it's just andit was it's.
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There's an endless cycle, andso I think that when we start
really, you know, not not takingon any sort of blame or shame
around the aspect of how werelate to our animals, but it's
an opportunity to have them bemaybe some reflective mirrors
for us to say what is it that Ineed to work on for myself and
how can I be, how can I be thebest person or the best version
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of myself that I can be?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I think the other thing that's fascinating about
that example in particular is intraditional Chinese medicine
there's a certain emotion that'sassociated with each organ
system, and the gastrointestinalsystem is associated with worry
.
So the fact, the idea that youknow that dog was so concerned
with the emotional experiencethat their human was having and
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that that manifested in GIdisease, it's such a real
example and I think I've.
I don't I haven't shared thestory here and I'll make it very
brief, but my own dog thereason I got into integrative
medicine is she developedinflammatory bowel disease, and
I say that in quotation marksbecause when she developed her
illness, I was going through alot of mental health issues.
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I have zero doubt who then thatwas connected, and I had to go
through a lot of guilt with thatonce I realized it.
But it is.
It's been so healing for me toidentify that and then be able
to share that with other peopleand watching her improve has
been motivation for me tocontinue to push myself.
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Oh yeah, it's just yeah there.
We're so lucky to share ourlives with them, but that's why
it's also so important for us tobe open minded and although
this is so outside of what we'reconventionally taught.
There's so much truth andhealing that we can all all of
us, we can globally find in thisfor ourselves, and if our
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animals have to be the motivatorfor that, then it's just
another thing for us to thankthem for.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, absolutely.
And you know we have to beremember that there's a reason
why these animals come into ourlives.
You know, we, how we get them,where they show up.
You know, did we get them at apound?
Did we get them?
Did we find them on the street?
They found us.
Like there seems to be this,this finding of each other, and
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there's always a reason whyyou're in a relationship with
the animal you're in and it'snothing to be like oh, I feel so
bad that I gave you my disease.
It's really not about that,because that animal who showed
up in your life knows thatthere's some sort of bonded
contract that two of you aregoing to explore and so there's
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no judgment around that.
That needs to happen.
It's an opportunity for healingon all levels and different
levels.
You know, and there are somedogs that will.
You know, I had a client who washead lymphoma and she was.
She had two treatments.
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She was in remission, out ofremission, and then she was back
in remission and then she wasstarting to come out of
remission again.
And just when she was startingto come out of remission, her
Labrador got lymphoma and hetook that on for her because he,
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you know that was theirrelationship and she kind of had
this understanding.
She was a very open-mindedclient and you know, we were
able to have spent another twoyears with this dog and we
didn't even do any chemotherapy.
It was all.
You know integrative medicineand energy work and you know
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certainly supplements and youknow those kind of things to
help augment that.
But I think it was also herattitude that really helped.
You know, and on the flip side,if we have an animal who was
diagnosed with cancer and theowner is completely destroyed by
that, you know, then everysingle day they're going to look
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at their dog and say, oh my God, you have cancer and I'm so
afraid I'm going to lose you andyou know, I don't know how I'm
going to live without you.
That dog will hear that everysingle day, you know.
And those dogs don't survive aslong.
Basically they live onpeeled-off animals that go fast,
right?
I mean you probably experiencedthat in your patients as well.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I tell my clients, who you know, when I've had some
of my clients who had cancer,or I recently had a dog very
similar, who was in the ER forfive or six days with IBD, and
every day I would visit him andI would say, like you are so
strong and you are so healthy, Ican't believe how strong you
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are and I would you know.
And you are you.
I just continue.
It kind of sounds very StuartSmalley from Saturday Night Live
, but it's very much, you know,it's very much just putting the
energy of healing and the energyof strength and the energy of
love and the energy of optimismand I think it also gives us
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opportunities, because I thinkthe other thing is you know how
do we put this into practice ona daily basis for people that
maybe are not as familiar withenergy medicine.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
So one of the things I'll share and it's very simple
is whatever your personalprocess is for preparing your
dog's food, whether it's just,you know, putting something into
a bowl maybe it's a little bitmore involved.
You know if you're warmingthings up or adding supplements
or what have you but to justtake a moment and center
yourself, take a deep breath andliterally just have thoughts of
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positivity and gratitude forthe few minutes that you're
spending in preparing that foodand then offering that to them,
because I truly do believe thatenergy is transmuted, and
through whatever vehicle orvessel that we're using, and I
think the Masuro-Amoda waterexperiments, for me and for
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people that are really science-yminded, is a perfect example of
that.
Like Dr Sands was saying,everything is energy.
So you share that smallopportunity for those who might
not be familiar with thatexperiment, would you?
Speaker 1 (36:36):
mind sharing with the listeners what that experiment
was.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, yeah, dr Sands, do you want to, or I can.
You probably do it better thanme.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, you know, dr, you know there's.
Well, yeah, I don't know if Ido better than you, but there is
that beautiful water experimentby Dr Imodo Masuro yeah, did I
say that?
And he did.
Took pictures of water crystalsand how they formed in relation
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to phrases or emotions like youare beautiful, I love you and
versus I hate you, you're ugly.
And he took pictures ofpolluted water from rivers and
took pictures of that, and theyshow this disgusting distortion
of this muddiness, of what itlooked like.
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And then there would be ablessing on the water to put
love and beauty back into thewater.
And then he would re-take apicture and would find that the
water would start to transformand crystallize, and it looked
like these beautiful snowflakes.
And every different emotion hasthese different patterns that
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are beautifully intricate.
And so then, the take homemessage around that was, you
know, being that we're 70% 80%water by nature and actually 99%
of our molecules is water based, so we're a lot more water than
H2O than we know.
If we can crystallize theinside of us with these
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beautiful patterns, by thesethoughts of wellness, love,
beauty, you look in the mirrorand you say I love you, you're
beautiful, your cells willchange.
They will look like thosebeautiful snowflakes and then
you start to glow and youradiate and people see that.
When you're in a good mood andyou wake up in the morning and
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everything's going right and yougo out, people see that and
they'll recognize the shininessaround you and this glowing
radiance.
And it's just because you feelbeautiful, you know, and you
don't need someone else toaffirm your beauty.
You know, obviously, especiallyin the face of your dog.
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Your dog thinks you'rebeautiful all the time.
You know, no matter what theythink, you're the most beautiful
and that you smell the best,even if you smell the worst.
They love the way you smell.
You know, and just to find, youknow I agree with that it's
finding the little tools youknow that make you feel elevated
.
You know, and in the process ofmindfulness and blessings of
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the, say, the foods that you'refeeding your dogs.
I think that's a beautifulexample of that.
And laughter, to incorporatelaughter in your life, because
when we, when we laugh, there isan instant shift in our
physiology towards healing.
It just can't, it can't help it, it just does that.
And it's so easy to laugh withanimals, you know they're silly
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and they're just ridiculous.
Sometimes it's just even themishaps are just funny, you know
, and if we focus on that, likeevery day, you know there's
there's so much possibility forwellness to happen and it's so
easy.
That's the thing.
It's super, it's, it's a very.
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The solutions are, you know, Iguess it's, it's simple, simple
solutions that aren't alwayseasy, you know, like, like
laughing.
I have a.
I have, I have this pictures ofof people laughing, people and
animals laughing that I justhave on my computer and and I
(40:35):
and I look at it and I swearlike if I stare at that long
enough and it's not, it could bejust like 20 seconds I'll start
to laugh.
Just because I'm looking at allof these little faces that are
laughing and I'm I'm imaginingthe sounds that are coming out,
and then I just start laughing.
Yeah, so it's, it's, it's easyto do that, do we know, is there
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any?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
science, that should that shows whether dogs actually
laugh.
I mean, I can look at, I can.
I have dogs that I know aregoofy and they're being.
It seems like they're beinggoofy to make me laugh.
Do we know?
Do we know that if dogs canlike have, have something, can
laugh or do something similar tothat, or they know they're
(41:16):
being funny, do we know any ofthat?
Yeah, I feel like I meanthere's.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I think.
So you know, intuitively I'mgoing to say yes because you
know I've had, I've seen dogslike do something silly, and
they kind of know that they'vedone something silly.
You know they kind of stop andthen they look and then they
like like they catch themselvesand I don't know, maybe we're
(41:45):
like anthropomorphic sizing, youknow, like putting our selves
onto that.
But I think if, if you, youcould tell if you're in, if
you're in the midst of yourfamily and everyone's laughing,
you can see the energy shift inthe in the animal.
You know they get all excited,they get silly.
They may grab a toy and runaround and like they're in the
moment, you know, versuseveryone's yelling.
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And if everyone's upset theyhave a whole different demeanor.
You know most of the time it'sthey're more quiet and sometimes
they'll bark.
You know I've had my dog yellat me.
It's like he's telling, likestop yelling Totally.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, that's interesting thing.
So they're just when we'relaughing and you're, and your
dog starts even being goofy, orhe's possibly just picking up on
your, picking up on the thehealthy energy that's happening
and wants it to keep, wants itto keep going.
So that'll be my next podcastepisode.
Do dogs laugh?
How do we?
How do we know if they have asense of humor or not?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Or, how do we really?
Speaker 1 (42:39):
have a sense of humor .
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Right, and how can you make your dog laugh?
There you go.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Well, I think also, dogs are social animals, right?
So naturally they havedeveloped probably a lot better
kind of inter communication than, for example, cats that are
more solitary and areopportunistically social.
So I think, you know, do theyexperience, I don't know, like
laughter or happiness isprobably hard, but I think if we
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make it more a general term, wewould all agree they experience
joy and I think we all you know, even us individually probably
have a different definition ofwhat joy is for us, but just
just kind of general feelings ofpositivity.
I think the other reallyimportant thing to keep in mind
for energy medicine and a lot ofwhat we're talking about is
this is accessible for everyone.
(43:28):
You know, of course, if you goto an energy practitioner, yes,
there's going to be a costassociated with that, but if you
are someone who is trying to dothe most with what you have,
really all that takes is timeand dedication and being aware.
So it's really something thatis available to everybody to
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incorporate on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, I think that the challenge comes into play
when you're so steeped indisease and it's so deeply
rooted that it's hard to seethat as a solution.
Right, because you're so.
First of all, you have a lot ofinformation from other doctors
by this time.
You know, for instance, you mayhave a dermatologist or a
(44:17):
gastroenterologist and yourcardiologist, and you know your
internist and everybody's givingyou different image viewpoints
and different medications.
And now, all of a sudden,you're in a ton of medications
and then you go see anintegrative practitioner who's
going to give you, you know,dietary changes and supplements
and you know that you can't getinto your animal because you're
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on too many medications and itgets really bombarded and
difficult and very stressful.
I think the end result is thatthe owner is really stressed at
this point because there's justso much and they just don't know
what to do and they just butthey want the solution, they
want their animal to be okay.
And I have met, you know, thesepeople who are spending most of
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their waking life catering totheir disease of their animals,
and it may soundcounterintuitive, but sometimes
the best thing to do is justtake a step back and see,
envision a global wellness,right To have a lot of my
(45:25):
clients go through avisualization process of
imagining that their animalscompletely well, right and that
their paralyzed dog is runningon the beach and they're with
them, you know.
Or the dog that's, you know,having some skin issues is, you
know, just perfect, like aperfect envisionment of this
(45:46):
animal and really feel what thatwould mean, like it's just the
same kind of process that we dowhen we're manifesting our own
wellness journey.
It's like we'll envision us,you know, dancing or jogging or
climbing that mountain if wehave back issues, right, and not
(46:08):
getting caught up in the whatif I can't do this, or what if
this isn't going to work.
It's more of this is me andthis is me climbing the mountain
, this is me jogging down thebeach, and you create the
feeling of what it feels like tobe like that, that exhilaration
(46:29):
, the joy, the freedom, therelease, you know whatever that
is.
And then you can.
You carry that vision with youwherever you go and even if it's
in the morning, you could justdo certain times before you go
to bed.
In the morning, when you guyswake up, you can go in this
beautiful golden bubble of lightand wellness and just imagine
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the two of you in it and createthe wellness moment and then
start your day.
You know, and don't have anattachment to the what if this
doesn't work, because I thinkthat's a lot of it for us on our
journeys is that we always havethis fear that what if I'm
doing is not good enough, whatif I'm doing is not going to
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work, and what if I fail?
It's like, well, what if yousucceed?
You know, what if it's great?
What if you're happy?
What about the other side ofthat coin that we don't like to
always look at.
So you know when you, when youthink about the healing phases,
there's many levels.
(47:32):
You know I like to call it,have a terminology it's called
bio, epic healing and thatstands for epic, epic, and we
heal.
We heal from the.
You know bio energetic, biophysical, bio intelligence and
bio chemical.
So on every single level, youknow we're going to address our
(47:53):
healing.
You know the bio physical is ismaybe getting massage therapies
or rehabilitation.
You know body work, the biochemical is going to be the
foods that you put in yoursystem.
You know, maybe the, the herbsand the supplements and the
pharmaceuticals is needed.
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The bio energetic is going tobe the things that we may use
like music therapy or soundtherapy or light therapy, even
things like homeopathy.
And then the bio intelligenceis sort of that icing on the
cake, where we are using ourthoughts and our emotions to
transmute the frequencies thatare that are lending itself to
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the trauma.
And you know, when you gothrough all of those levels, you
know healing.
Healing happens, it just does.
You know we're designed forhealing and we forget that.
You know the body's designedfor that and if we really
embrace that aspect, it trulyends up being a win-win
situation.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, and I guess along those lines, to like
granting ourselves kind, likeloving, kindness and just being
gentle with ourselves, becauseknowing our own boundaries is
important, like there are daysthat are going to be hard, and
that's okay, and that doesn'tmean that the next day is going
to be, and, like you were saying, it's just really just do the
(49:24):
best you can in every situationand that's enough.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Exactly that loving kindness is so important and
just giving a little latitude tohow you feel.
Like you said, there will begood and bad days, and why?
Because everything is afrequency.
There's highs and there's lows.
That's the nature of vibrationand there's it's a polarity of
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those frequencies and thepolarity is really a negative
and a positive.
And these negative and positiveforces are there because they
move around each other andthey're not good or bad, or
right or wrong.
They're just this necessaryenergy that makes things move.
And we have to accept the gooddays with the bad days, because
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they will always cycle through.
You know, and, and there's abalance.
There's a balance there and,like you said, it's important to
just, you know, be okay withourselves and not be too hard on
ourselves and not hard on ouranimals.
And you know, and, and you know, not every animal is going to
(50:33):
take on your disease.
They won't do it.
There is those that will be therock and will stand there
completely fine, because they'remore of a soundboard.
You know, every, every specieshas their own little way that
they, that they resonate withthe humans, and I don't think
there's any accidents of whathumans pick as a species, of a
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dog or, you know, a breed toshow up in their lives
Interesting, you know it'sfascinating.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
In alignment with that.
We were talking about therapydogs and I'm just curious if you
have ever noticed in yourpractice that therapy dogs tend
to have more like, carry on moredisease than like an abnormal
amount of disease.
Like, what did they do withthat energy?
(51:26):
You know, if they, if they'retaking on the energy of, of, of
their owner who possibly is sick, where, how, how is that not
manifesting in their body insome form or another?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah right, and you know, I think about those kind
of things and it's a greatquestion and what I, what I
think is happening is there's anunderstanding of the
relationship from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
That gave me chills.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
That the dog right that dog is is being trained and
there's a relationship that isformed and an understanding and
a sort of a contract to say,okay, I'm this, I'm this dog for
you and I'm going to be ofservice for you because I'm
going to help you function andso I can't, I'm not going to
(52:16):
falter, that you know, and I'mgoing to, I'm going to keep that
going and and yeah, I meanthere are times I get I mean I
don't work with that many likeguide dogs or, you know, service
dogs to have like this metaanalysis collective of like
thousands of cases.
But it would be interesting tosee you know how many of those,
(52:42):
how many of those do get sick,because I don't, I think a lot
of them don't.
The ones that I see, it seemsyou know they come in with
intermittent things that aren'treally Disease.
You know, connected.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Interesting.
That makes sense, Dr Linda.
You had something before Iinterrupted you.
You were going to say something.
Oh, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
The only thing I was going to say is I think the
other beauty behind the positiveand negative going back to that
is, without the kind ofpolarity it's hard to appreciate
one without the other.
So at least for myself, onthose days that may be a little
bit harder.
I think it really allows us torelish in and very, really enjoy
(53:27):
the good days, and that'ssomething that I think is really
important to apply to.
You know, kind of seniorgeriatric times with our animals
that we're sharing space withis.
You know, they are going to ageand we're going to get to a
point where we do have to allowthem to leave us.
(53:48):
But really just enjoying everyday and trying to be in the
moment, I think that's one ofthe things that they bring more
than anything is be here now.
It doesn't matter what happenedfive minutes ago or what's
going to happen tomorrow, justbe present with them.
That's all a lot of times.
That's all that they want fromus and we all need that, I think
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collectively so much.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
So just to really lean into that, yeah, yeah, dr
Liz, that's perfect, becausethat's so true.
It is really the essence ofbeing in that now, in that
moment, the present moment, thatmindfulness of that, because
most of the problems that weexperience are because we are
(54:33):
focusing on the past and seeingthe future with the lenses of
the past, right, so we're eventrying we're always trying to
bring the past into the present,so that we're worrying about
the future and we're neverreally here.
And when you're here, there'snever a problem, ever, because
(54:55):
you're just here and you'redoing what you're doing and
you're, even if you trip, okay,so you tripped, and now you've
recovered, and now you'rewalking again, right, and you're
not going to not walk becauseyou're afraid that you're going
to trip again, or you're notgoing to envision falling
(55:16):
because you've tripped beforeand now you don't want to do it
in the present.
It's like it gets all tangled,you know, if we just kind of let
that go and be in the moment,and that's where the magic
happens In quantum physics, ifwe want to bring that down to
that is, there's this moment intime where these energies are at
(55:38):
this perfect spot and where theintentionality of your
experience manifests.
And it's in that moment of purepresence and awareness, without
a projection from a future or aworry into the future, from the
(56:03):
past.
They call it a scalar moment,where these frequencies are at
this sort of this standstillmoment and you can tap into that
moment by just being in thepresent and sort of manifesting
(56:29):
a wellness idea.
I don't know if I'm not reallyexplaining this right.
I'm sort of tangent in my ownmind.
I'm thinking about somethingelse.
It's like the moment where Icall it being in the zone.
I think everyone has always hassome point in their life
experience this, and I thinkit's mostly in sports.
I think, right, if you,whatever you're playing, whether
(56:51):
it's volleyball or basketballor tennis or soccer there's a
moment in your life that you canrecall one time where, right
before you hit the ball, youknew exactly where it was going
to go and it was either going togo into the basket or it's
going to go into the goal, oryou were going to hit that
tennis where you just it's justperfect, perfect moment and you
(57:15):
knew it before it even happened.
You could have closed your eyesand had the whole thing play
out.
And it's that moment, it's thepower of that feeling and that
moment.
That's where that magic happens, and I think the challenge is
to get that back when we want itto happen and not when we're
(57:36):
not really thinking about it.
And you can practice that.
That's called going intocoherence, and there's a
physiological way to do that,and it starts with breathing and
mindfulness and offsetting yourfight or flight mechanism,
getting your parasympatheticonline and then connecting your
(57:57):
heart with your brain.
It's where your thoughts andyour emotions are in alignment.
You're feeling and thinking anddoing the same thing.
It's like standing in front ofa pathway where you have a
choice to go in one direction orthe other, and your heart may
(58:19):
be saying I should go to theleft, but your brain is saying
that looks a little sketchy.
I should go to the right, andthen now there's this disconnect
because you don't know where togo.
But if you followed your heart,your heart usually knows the
better place to be.
And then, if you can get yourbrain to sort of settle into the
(58:43):
conversation of the heart,that's the conversation that
your body has and that's whenyou're in sync with your
physiology.
And if you're always going downthat road where your heart and
your mind are in connection,usually you're on the right path
.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
And then I think one thing that would be really great
for us to talk about is forpeople that are interested in
exploring this more or inbringing this to their daily
lives.
Are there resources that youhave found to be really helpful
for some of your clients?
Or, because I feel like it'ssuch a broad scope like
breathwork meditation there's somany ways to go about it how
(59:24):
would you recommend that someoneexplore to see what works for
them, because then that wouldresonate and benefit their
animals?
Speaker 2 (59:38):
Yeah, there are so many different ways and I find
that when they're on theirhealing journeys, there are so
many different people that aretalking about the same thing but
in their own specific way, andit's because everyone's going to
resonate with someone elsedifferently, like there's
(59:58):
healings from, say, like, louiseHayes, bruce Lipton, joe
Dispenza, tony Robbins, abrahamHicks.
There's so many differentconversations that are being had
(01:00:24):
on so many different levelsbecause everyone gets it
differently.
So for me, in a more of asciencey kind of way, there's an
Institute of HeartMath.
If you go on heartmathorg,that's going to be my next
question.
(01:00:47):
You could look at their videosand go online.
There's a lot of researcharticles, but there's also a lot
of little videos that will talkabout how to go into coherence.
But then there's no, thattechnique is not very different
than just breathing.
There's certain breathingtechniques.
There's all types of breathingtechniques that we call the
breathwork.
There's numbered breathing,there's 444 breathing, there's
(01:01:14):
765 breathing.
There's breathing in and out.
I think, at the end of the day,it's what fits for you and what
resonates for you, because thatis where it's going to make the
most sense and then you're goingto be able to follow that.
For sciencey-minded people,there's a really good book
(01:01:35):
called the Biology of Beliefthat Dr Bruce Lipton wrote and
that starts kind of talkingabout the conversation about
epigenetics and how your biologyis.
You're not a victim of that, sothat's a more sciencey thing.
All the beautiful books thatare written by Joe Dispenza I
(01:01:57):
really like him.
You are the placebo is one ofhis books and it's like yeah,
you are.
Your thoughts are all manifest.
So there's many, many.
I think people should just startgoing be open to the little
(01:02:22):
signs that your life is showingyou, because if you just put it
out to say, hey, I want to learnmore about spirituality.
And then you pick up a magazinein the store and you open up to
a page and there's a person andlike, oh, what is that?
So follow those breadcrumbs.
I think that's the best way.
(01:02:44):
Or say you're going online andyou're opening up an email, or
follow an idea that you have, ifsomething just pops into your
head oh, I want to learn aboutsound therapy.
Or there's a song that's on theradio that resonates with you
and like, oh well, that'sinteresting.
(01:03:05):
What was that saying?
What was that line?
And then maybe taking that linethat the God could be
significant to something thatyou needed to hear at that
moment.
So what we find?
That when we're in that placeof stillness and our minds are
quiet and we're in our hearts,what we find is there are
(01:03:28):
synchronicities in our livesthat seem to happen that we
haven't noticed before, butwe're noticing now, and that
leads us on our little trails.
I don't know.
There was one day I was looking,I was like you know what?
I want to get?
A book on energy medicine.
I don't know who to go to, Idon't know what I'm really
(01:03:51):
looking for and I don't know.
I was walking down the streetand I wandered into this store.
It wasn't even a bookstore, itwas like it sold soaps and
crafts and things like that.
It was pretty and it smellednice in there.
And I walk in and there's twobooks in there that they're
selling and one of them was thisbeautiful energy book.
So I was like, oh, I'm going tobuy this energy book and it was
(01:04:16):
.
I read the book and it was.
It was it's called EnergyHealing by this elderly woman.
She's 83 years old.
She was her only book she everwrote and I.
On the back of the book therewas a phone number if you wanted
to contact the author.
(01:04:36):
It was you know.
So I, after I read the book, Ihad all these questions for her
because she did a lot of energyhealing remotely with her, with
her clients, and I had thisquestion about animals and
humans and that's kind of whereI started this journey.
(01:04:57):
So I called this number in thebook and she answered the phone
and we started talking and shesaid it's.
I never usually answer thephone, but I knew it was you.
Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Interesting I was like wow.
Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
I was like okay.
Okay, she says you havequestions for me.
And I'm like I do, I havequestions.
And so I started asking herthese questions and so she
started giving me these names.
She gave me the names of BruceLipton and and and Joe Dispenza
and Greg Braden.
(01:05:30):
She said do you know thesepeople?
And I'm like not really youknow.
And she was like, well, youknow not, you should know these
people.
And I'm like okay.
So then I made it my mission togo investigate who they were,
get get their books, read theirbooks, meet them in person, you
know.
So that's kind of how my littlebit of my breadcrumb journey,
(01:05:53):
and you just never know.
You just got to be open toreceive the information and ask
the question.
Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
I love that because it's such a good example of
following your intuition andhaving that in.
It's not just always one person, but there's like one
interaction or one person thatyou'll meet.
That just sets you on the paththat you were destined to go on
anyway, and then to think of howmany people you've now
influenced to have that sameexperience.
(01:06:22):
It's.
It's just, that's so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Yeah, and my journey is my journey.
You know it's not everybody'sjourney and everyone has their
own particular way, buteventually we all meet because
the there's this ultimate truthof healing that happens, even
though we all have ourindividual truths and our own
individual realities when itcomes to the essence of healing,
(01:06:47):
honestly, I think the ultimatetruth is love Me too.
You know that's the energyfrequency that heals it.
All, you know, and especiallywhen I do my shamanic healing
practices, that's the energythat flows through.
Is that the conduit.
I'm just this conduit ofenergetic love and all I think
(01:07:11):
about is healing.
You know, I don't think abouthow I'm going to heal it or if I
fail in the healing process.
So what am I going to bethought of if this doesn't
happen?
Like there's, there's, no, Itry not to put that negativity
or any of the questions into theprocess, because it's not about
me, you know.
(01:07:31):
It's about the animal, it'sabout the experience, it's about
the global wellness, and so Itry to do that and I've, I've
been pleasantly, I've beensurprised at how well that works
.
It's amazing when you just kindof let that stuff happen and
flow, healing happens.
We just have to, we just haveto believe that it's possible
(01:07:53):
and give her permission to do so.
You know, and you have to be,you have to be ready to heal.
You know, and some, and forsome people, that's not, that's
not what their purpose is.
You know, it's not.
You know, and there are someanimals that will be very sick
and they will die early, andthere will be some people just
like that, and that's okay too,you know, and not you.
(01:08:18):
Just we could just offer whatwe know that can help and it's
up to the individual to takethat in.
You know, you can't, you can'tforce healing.
Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
You have to be open and willing and desire it.
Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Because we sometimes have certain attachments to like
the negative ways that we'refeeling right.
So it serves a purpose for us.
It keeps us safe, or it keepsus from expanding.
It keeps us, you know, allsorts of things Right.
Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
I know a lot of people yeah, I know a lot of
people, who are sick and theyare so comfortable in their
illness that they don't evenknow what it would look like to
feel.
Well, it scares them, you know,because then they have a whole
other, different level ofresponsibility, you know, and
(01:09:09):
there's there's responsibility,there's accountability, there's
you know all of that, and peoplejust it's too painful or scary
to go there, you know, and andthat's okay, it's okay, like you
don't.
The whole thing is not to havejudgment around that.
And you know, bringing it backto your pet, just be in the
(01:09:29):
moment, even if it's, even ifit's a moment on a very dreary
day, you know, and your, your,your dog just does something
hysterically silly, because Idon't really think a day goes by
when a dog doesn't do somethingsilly, something that makes you
laugh, something that either isjust so cute it makes you laugh
, or something silly yeah.
Yeah Right, it's just I don'tthink there's one day that goes
(01:09:52):
by that that's not a thing youknow.
So just take that moment andamplify it, you know, and that's
going to bring a little bit ofsunshine into your life and,
whether or not you, you realizeit, believe it or understand it,
there's a healing that happenswhen that happens.
Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
So appreciate this.
It was just wonderful.
I just can't say it enough.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Oh, you're welcome, it was super fun.
Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Thank you so much for listening to this episode of
the Beru podcast, as always, ifyou enjoyed the episode, please
don't forget to rate and followus wherever you listen to
podcasts.
You can also follow us onInstagram at Beru podcast, and
if you have a story of cancompanionship you'd like to
share with me, or you have asuggestion, a suggestion or even
a comment, I would love to hearfrom you.
(01:10:41):
You can email me, charlotte, attheberucom.
All right, you guys, let's chatsoon.
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