178: Pentyrch UFO Incident II - Caz Clarke Unravels the Coverup - The Basement Hangout

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So this is no laughing matter forme, you know, to have people
come to me and threaten me withperhaps a fatal car accident that extended to
my family. That's when I decidedI wouldn't stay silent anymore. Someone needs
to be held accountable for that withus tonight is an old friend, Caz

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Clark she encountered, well, whatwe would refer to as a UFO in
Pentirk. Am I still saying thatright, Penturk? That's right? Yes,
okay, awesome, PENTERK Whales andCaz, thank you so much for
joining us. I know you haveupdates for us. It's midnight your time.

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You are a real trooper. Thankyou. I know you're doing the
the US tour. So is thisnow? Are these now your new hours?
Yeah? Yeah, I'm practically upall night these days over here.
I've got quite a few interviews linedup in the States, so you've probably

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seen me on the shows. ButI really want to bring you up to
date with what's been going on overthe last eight years, since twenty sixteen,
and this event is actually happening.Yeah, I would love that,
And let me tell you and Bobknows this your episode with us, even
though it was several years ago,is and still remains one of our most
popular and downloaded episodes. Back then, we were not doing video podcast it

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was all audio, but we didtake the audio, put a static background
image and upload it to our YouTubechannel and even that to this day gets
continuous views. So, you know, people are very interested. But for
those of our listenership who are relativelynew and may not have heard about the
Pent Turk incident, can you justgive us a very quick synopsis of you

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know what happened? Okay started inFebruary of twenty sixteen. On the twenty
fifth it started. We had ahuge military build up and the military knowingly
and expectantly set an ambush for ahuge pyramid instrumensional UFO the Jettison smaller craft

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and now we know that they shotseveral of those craft iron. There's been
an eight year investigation that's gone oninto this case. We have the evidence,
we can prove this case, andI believe that it's one of the
biggest cases, not only in theUK but very possibly the world. So
just to rehash some of the details, one of the things that was very

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interesting and kind of foundational is thatyou and folks that, yeah, your
friends that live in the area aroundyou had seen and heard this plane,
this military aircraft, and I thinkArif circling around the area. And you

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live in a farm mostly farm community, rural area where you don't have military
aircraft over there for any reason.Well, we have Arif Saint Athan about
fourteen miles away, and we doget military aircraft that passed through, so
they don't tend to stay. AndI noticed a small propeller plane, very

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small gray propeller plane, flying verylow and very slow over the village on
the Tuesday, but I didn't payit any mind because we have Arif St.
Anthon down the road. It wasthe Wednesday when one of my neighbors
came out of his house and hewas cursing. I won't say what he
said, but he wasn't happy becausethis small aircraft had kept him awake all

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night. And it was then thatwe started to notice the behavior of this
one particular plane, and it wascircling just very and I just remember thinking,
if it goes any slower, it'sgoing to fall out of the sky.
And a bit later on another plane, almost identical to the first,
turned up to take its place,and that started to fly and figure eight
formations and then or Wednesday night,that's all I could hear. You know,

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when someone points a sound out toyou, you got to sit there
and anticipate when it's going to comeback. Well, that's exactly what happened
every fifteen minutes, this small propplane. And because I live in a
very quiet neighborhood, it's extremely loudwhen you've got a small propplane flying over
your house every fifteen minutes. SoWednesday night I had a very restless night

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going into Thursday morning. It wasstill there and another plane. These two
aircraft would swap places with each other, so they never actually left the airspace
unwatched. We had written to theMinistry Defense, we had no response.
We had written to was Online,which is our local or I should say,
our mainstream media here, and theytoo did not respond. So we

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decided between us, and it wasmyself and all of my neighbors that clearly
they were watching for something. AndDavid, who's a bit of a plane
spotter, shall we say, wasquite admirant that they were watching for Russian
planes again, because it had onlybeen the week before that our RAF,
our Royal Air Force had turned awayto Russian tu Won sixty bombers from our

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airspace, so he was quite excitedthat that's what they were waiting for,
because it was clear they were watchingfor something, and we decided amongst ourselves
that if the small aircraft was therelater that we would go out and watch
with them. I'm not a euthologist, I was never a euthologist, and
I'm still not. I'm a truthseeker out, but we never expected to

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see what we saw. Yeah,so it's really interesting because, you know,
the idea that we get is thatthey somehow knew, you know,
I'm just rehashing based on memory here, that this craft that was a giant
pyramid and jettison smaller craft eventually kindof appeared out of It's almost like it

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entered our dimension in front of youreyes, and it's like they knew this
was going to happen and were circlingthe area waiting for it to happen,
and once it did, they essentiallyattacked the military area. They pursued the
when the period of pyramid first emerged, because that's what it appeared. It

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emerged out of the darkness, likeit came through a black veil into our
dimension, turning very slowly anti clockwise, and as it did so, came
down and in the upright position,and once it was in the upright position,
it fired this really bright green objectout at the top. And I
didn't know until recently what shape thatwas because it was so bright. But

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we have witnesses now that saw thatin Smilog Woods on the ground. Wow,
so we now know what shape itwas. The military pursued that bright
green object because that was different toall the other barrel shaped objects that came
out of the craft. We didn'tknow where the pyramid went. It was
almost as if it went back theway that it came into the ether,

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into this fabric around us. Butit was spotted earlier in the evening and
later that night in North Wales,and they did actually close the entire Welsh
air space, so not just SouthWales, the whole of Wales, and
that was seen making an escape inColwyn Bay in North Wales, flying in

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an arc and up into space.So we know that that got away at
least, but as for the others, they didn't. So for all our
new listeners, what do you knowwhat episode number our original interviewer. I
don't remember, but I will linkto it. It's one of our,
you know, early episodes. Iwill link to it in the show notes,
both YouTube and the audio podcast sothat they can go back and listen

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to the full details. So yeah, so that's the basics of it.
It was like they knew this wasgoing to appear. And we've heard this
from actual ufologists in recent times asa matter of fact, that there is
this theory or I don't know iftheory is the right word. There's some

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people who claim to know that ourgovernments have a way of detecting when these
things are going to come and theywill deploy. And we've heard from David
Grush and others that there are thesecrash retrieval programs, and it's possible that
it's more than crash retrieval. It'scausing the crash and then doing the retrieval.

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Yes, so cool. It waskind enough to tell me that the
military are actually monitoring for a freakand sy to know when these craft are
quote going to appear not come downfrom outer space, and they're using the
satellites in order to do that.And there are twenty eight task forces worldwide
watching for these things twenty four hoursa day, seven days a week.

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Wow. And if you know wherea task force is, it consists of
absolutely anything and everything they will need, from nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers to
military helicopters and troops on the ground. So before we get into the updates
that you have, do you havea theory as to what's going on?
What do they want to do whenthey come here? And what are the

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military? What is their purpose?One of the comments that was left that
I really got a drawn too,shall we say, was a comment that
was left by a military personnel whosaid, glad you've seen keep watching.

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More are coming they come for what'stheirs? What do we have that belongs
to them? M babies? Doyou have any answer for that? Or
well it's only a theory. Yeah, But there was an implication that the
Royal Mint was involved. And theRoyal Mint is one of the most protected

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buildings anywhere in Europe, and itwouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility that
if we did have something that belongedto them, that we'd keep it in
one of the most secure buildings anywherein the world. Interesting, we just
don't know what that is. No, Well, the military used to do

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the security for the Royal Mint,but in June of twenty sixteen that changed.
So whatever it was, they've movedit. Oh. Interesting, you
think it's a being or at No, I don't think it's a being,
and I don't think it's a craft. I think it's some kind of artifact.

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Interesting. Oh, I'm so desperateto know. Yeah, I wish
we did know. Well, there'sa lot to get through. There's these
these craft whatever they are, arenew, these pyramidal shaped craft or tetrahedrons.
Actually, because the three side didnot full side, you know,

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there must be another line of communicationgoing on. There was one over the
Pentagon, when over the Kremlin,when over Berlin, when over China,
over the public buildings, now theymust be another line of communication for them
to know the importance of these buildings, right. Yeah. So back when

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we first talked, there really wasn'tmuch of an investigation outside of your efforts,
if I remember correctly. So what'schanged since then? Oh, goodness,
everything's changed. We've been able toidentify the aircraft that were involved.
The small gray propeller planes are actuallypart of a program called estar which involves

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the E three centuries, so thosetwo are actually linked. We have their
radar returns and everything else. Wehave graphics that I've sent to you to
the pyramids and the barrel shaped objectsthat approached us. There's also the cover
story from the mainstream media where theysaid that this was just a military exercise

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and my comments that I made onthe morning of the twenty sixth of February,
where I categorically stated that it wasnot an exercise because I saw it.
And since then they've changed their storyand they've changed it from a military
exercise to a police counter terrors andexercise. And we asked the police on

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numerous occasions, and they tried tohide behind national security and law enforcement as
their valid exemptions for not answering meby saying that no police counter terrorism exercises
are ever made public. So Isent them a link of the Assistant Commissioner
herself giving a running commentary of thepolice in action during one of their police

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counter terrorism and exercises in London.Because they absolutely refused to answer me,
and I took them to the InformationCommissioner's office and held them in contempt and
that was the police facing criminal chargesfor not answering me. Good for you,
because they're not the law. They'rethere to uphold the law, and

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somewhere along the line it's become verytwisted. And that was then facing two
years in jail, a five thousandpounds fine or both for every single one
of those police officers that failed toanswer me. And they did have to
answer me. And there were nopolice counter terrorism exercises either. We've had

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it from the Secretariat of the Ministryof Defense themselves. There were no exercises
in South Wales in February of twentysixteen. So why did they have three
point eight billion pounds worth of equipmenthere or four point five billion dollars worth
of equipment twenty helicopter gunships CE seventeen's, C one thirty two E three centuries,

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one of which was from NATO fastjets, chinooks, you name it.
They had it in the air thatnight and all at the same time.
This was not an exercise. Theydid not have permission. This was
all over private land, not onMinistry Defense land. And as the crow
flies, Cenebridge is forty miles awayfrom here, and they have two hundred

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and forty thousand hectares of land.If they want to go and blow themselves
up up there, they're more thanwelcome to do so. But when they
do it over public land or sorry, private land, they've got to get
special permission from the landowner. Thathas to be a press briefing, there
has to be a ministerial briefing,and none of these things were done.
We've spoken to the Welsh government,they didn't know anything. We've spoken to

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local government, they didn't know anything. We spoke to the hospital, they
didn't know. The Royal Mint withone of the few people that actually said
yes, we had prior notification.Interesting, So we asked them for proof
of this prior notification and they saidthat they didn't have any paperwork that they
were told verbally verbally. This isone of the most secure buildings in Europe.

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There are military grade explosives going outside, going off outside, and nobody
checked and they can't prove that theyhad any prior notification. Interesting. Yeah,
it is very interesting. So wherewould you like to start with the
updates. I've got all your slideshere queued up. Okay, where you

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can show the cover story if youlike, or you can show the aircraft
that we're involved. It's entirely upto you. So I've got them basically
just in order of their name.Okay, there are two aircraft that we're
involved, and as I say,they're part of a program called is STAR,
which stands for Intelligence Surveillance, TargetAcquisition Reconnaissance in its macroscopic sense.

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I STAR is a practice that linksseveral battlefield functions together to assist a combat
force, not an exercise, andthat works in tandem with the E three
sentry planes. Now we have,I mean one of these aircraft, the
beachcraft aircraft is an above top secretaircraft. We can find out more information

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about the E three centuries than wecan about that small plane. Oh interesting,
Apparently it was taken out of servicein twenty twelve and then brought back
into service in twenty fourteen having hadsome major top secret refit. And it's
radar systems seeing three D through treesand anything like that, you know,

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actually gives you a three D pictureof what's going on. But that was
the aircraft that was used at thetime that that thing appeared. So could
they see it coming? I don'tknow. Is this the one that was
circling those both of those aircraft,yeah, would bunny hot with each other
and change shifts if you like,whilst the first would go off and refuel.

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And they flew for eight hours ata time, and then one would
come and take the other one's place. But they never left the airspace unwatched.
You know that because of pictures ofthe tail numbers. Yes, that
are their call signs and tail numbersare on there all right, So should
I go to the next slide,yeah, you can. These are just

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some of the radar returns. Thisis from Jackal two and Jackal one,
though Thosese were both their call signs. And this is flying over Penturk in
South Wales on the twenty fifth andthe twenty fourth of February twenty sixteen.
And you can see how concentrated theirflight paths are. That it continuously flied,

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sorry, flew over this area NonStopfor three days and three nights.
And the same with the next slide, which is Snake forty eight, and
that aircraft circled this area and asthe time approached, so that circle got
smaller. Oh my god, lookyeah, look at that one, Okay,

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And once that craft had appeared,that small plane as z Z four
when eight went to Smilog Woods andcircled the exact crush site. Obviously no
reason for them to be doing thisin this area. They have no permission
to do this. This is allover private land. They had no permission

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from the landowner. They broke everyaviation rule, including minimum heights and minimum
safe separation distances. They exceeded inno time that was inserted the following day
for the previous night. That wasnever planned. And we can prove that
too. And this this imagery comesfrom like your equivalent of the FAA,

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the Federal Aviation Administration in the States. These radar returns actually come from public
flight radar Internet radar systems, whichthey've now that they're not live anymore since
this event. Oh okay, they'veshut them down. They delayed and used
to be able to go back infinitelyreally in time, and now they've got
I think a few weeks limit thatyou can go back in time. So

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they've stopped it. Oh. Interesting. So the next slide is is the
E three century that was here?This is the NATO E three century.
Excuse me, you wouldn't expect tosee a NATO aircraft in a small village
like this, But that too wasflying very low, and E three is

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not supposed to fly very low,but it did. And we do have
proof that this was here, andthere were two E three centuries. One
was from the Royal Air Force andthis one. So this one definitely filmed
the whole event and was air commandfor what went on that night. That
censor array on the top is justinsane. It's huge, communicates directly with

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the satellites. Yeah, I thinkthis is a US made aircraft correct.
Certainly NATO were in charge that night. Yeh. It's crazy looking, it's
huge and very loud, very loud. And so this is you've had a

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new artist rendition of the pyramid itself. This is just a graphic. It's
not completely one hundred percent accurate,but it gives you an idea at the
size of this thing. We estimatefrom the EMF trail that it left behind
that this thing was one thousand feetlong per side per side. And this

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is what you saw, Yes,yes, in this much depth and detail.
Certainly the lights around its perimeter,but I can only see that the
craft was solid around the brightest lightsas it neared the ground. Before then
everything was black within the triangles,if you like. But when it neared

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the ground and ejected its hand oflightning, the bottom lights are the lights
nearest to the ground, started toglow really bright white orange from this tower
light red and around the brightest lightsyou could see that this was a solid
graft and not, for example,just a string of lights. And it
was textured, almost rock face.And this was what the graphic designer came

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up with. But it wasn't inas much detailed as that, but certainly
around the brightest lights you could seethat it was a solid graft. Yeah.
So now Ross coltheart has talked aboutand I don't know if you've heard
this, but he's talked about howthere is a UFO for lack of a
better term, that is so largethat they had to build a building around

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it to the Vatican. The Vaticanitself is the Vatican. Yes, well,
he hasn't said that publicly. Yeah, well he's never. Yeah,
he's never. He wouldn't be pressed, and I'll say it because you know,
I don't care. Yeah, that'swhat it is. So that's interesting
because he's he's said that I can'tsay where this is, but what I

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can tell you is is that avery large structure was built over this giant
ufo that is immovable because of itssize. You're telling us right now that
it's the Vatican itself. It's theVatican. Yeah, And how do you
know that? Just people talk Andthat's what I've heard, and I've seen
some things online where the suggestion waswhen they rebuilt Saint Peter Square, it

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was discovered, you know, andthat's why they built it bigger than it
was before, because they built iton the top of one of these things.
So what does that tell us aboutthe true purpose of the Vatican and
the religion. I don't want toget into that, you know, I'm
sorry, but the church is supposedto be there to ever see that we

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don't have starving and poor people inthe world. Look around. That's all
I'm going to say. I'm sorrythe church. You broke up a little
bit of the church. Is therewhat to oversee that we don't have starving
in the world or poor people,you know, or people in help who
need help. But clearly the Vaticanis the richest country in the world.

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So something's gone wrong. Yes,interesting, all right, this is I
remember this from your book. Actuallythis is the depiction. There's a reverse
angle there as well, from thered barrel over the hedge. But this
was how close these barrels came tome. I was still stood on the

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gate at this point. I actuallyhad my right hand raised, not my
left, but it was a bettercamera angle for the graphic. These things
are about the size of a smallcar, I'd say, about the size
of a smart car, you know, completely silent, and all the insides

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were moving. And I said atthe time that it was almost as if
they were made of glass. Butwe think that they were made of another
substance, as we have had anew witness that's come forward that drove through
some of the debrits from these barrels, and what do they say. They
said it was white and red crystalchunks, large chunks of red and white

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crystal like quartz. They've reflected intheir headlights. M and the military were
running around wearing forensic suits, scramblingtrying to pickle this stuff up. So
now do you think there was nolittle green men sitting in these things?
Right? I was going to askif you think that these themselves are some

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kind of life form, or doyou believe that their craft or a mix
of both. To me, theyappeared to be alive. It was almost
as if were connected in some way, m like were part of them and
their part of us. But theywere certainly afraid. They tried to hide,

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they tried to run, but weshot them down anyway. It was
awful, and when they drove through, they were already on the ground broken.
Yes, we have witnesses that heardgunfire, but the men that were
in Smilog Woods that night didn't heargunfire, but they experienced and heard the
explosion, and it shook the entiremountain. They saw the object on the

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ground, and they were assaulted,arrested, illegally searched and kidnapped, taken
by force from the woodland that night. And there is no legal mechanism to
close a public right of way foran exercise. So this was no exercise.
This was real. And we havetheir testimony, and so have they

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talked about what the interrogation was comprisedof. It was more about what they'd
seen, What were they doing there? Had they got any devices? They
took their phones from them. Theyactually had pass codes on their phones,
but it was no problem for themilitary to get into their phones and we

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set it back to factory settings.Mmm. So now your view of this
is that we, the royal,we the military, et cetera. Humans
were the aggressors in this. Yes, what do you think is our angle
as the aggressors just trying to protectwhatever it is we have that they're coming

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back to get. It's more aboutthe technology, It's more about keeping this
secret from us at any cost?And is this secrecy going to be to
our own demise? You know,what's the point of secrecy? I do
ourselves to destruction because of it.These things were not hostile. What happens

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if they turn out to be?You know, what happens if they come
back with their warships? Is thatwhy we've got a global armed space force
now? Right? So, butwhat are your thoughts on that? I
mean, if you were a militaryleader and your job from day one was
to protect the homeland, protect humanity, et cetera, and you were told

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that, you know, maybe they'refriendly now, but if they come back
with their warships, like you justsaid, they could wipe us out.
You know, not very often yousee them doing each other over for their
own spaceships. Is it, youknow, and we would be foolish and
naive to believe all life forms benign, the same as we'd be naive and

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foolished to believe that if the BigBang is to be believed, that all
the elements for life landed on thislittle speck of dust in the middle of
nowhere, when those building blocks forlife would be absolutely everywhere and not just
here, you know. Mm hm, So I think, you know,

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it's time to open up a lineof communication because there was no attempt to
communicate with them. They set anambush, they pursued and they shot down
mercilessly. What does that make us? Are they going to show us the
same mercy? Will they differentiate?You know? Yeah? And this is
the problem. I mean, they'remaking decisions on our behalf without even informing

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us. And that's a very dangeroussituation that is concerning. All right,

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what are we looking at here?This is the news release one of the
news reports from the Burrow, whichis the national paper over here, and
it talked about how terrified neighbors were. Oh, let me just get that
up. Terrified neighbors in a countryvillage wait during the night, the sounds
of explosions and fighter jets. Thevillagers were terrified when they woke to sounds

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of explosions in the sky, noton the ground, in the sky.
And the second one is from WalesOnline, which is how military training planes
and helicopters CAPE kept parts of SouthWales a week awake. Military aircraft was
spotted in the skies above South Waleslast night as planes and helicopters before I

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moved to that training drill. ThisMirror article is from twenty sixth February twenty
sixteen. Remind me of the dateof the actual incident, the twenty sixth
of February twenty sixteen. Okay,so this is the very next morning.
The stories that came out the samemorning gotcha the same morning, the same

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with the Wells Online report again asa military training exercise, and that's also
what South Wales Police was saying whenthe members. Hundreds of people phoned the
police to find out what was goingon because nobody knew and they were told
it was a military training exercise.This was the cover story. And of

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course I made my comment on WellsOnline that morning because I didn't know you
weren't supposed to talk about UFOs.I'm not a ufologist and I'm still ill
not I'm a truth seeker and theslide actually is my comment. And ironically
that I had two debunkers that usedtwo fake Facebook profiles, one of which

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called himself the smoking Man and theother one called himself Agent Fox Milder.
Because they really do like their playon words. They really do like to
take the nick and my comment onthe morning when I said, thanks for
sharing, but I can categorically statethat this was no exercise. Last night,
I saw absolutely everything and what theywere chasing were not planes. I

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will take a lide detector anywhere foranyone, but what I witnessed last night
will stay with me for the restof my life. What is more,
the military knew they were coming andhad two spotter planes in the air for
two days waiting for the event.When it came, four planes chase the
green object whilst a spotter planes socalled approximately six red oval objects which formed

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a pyramid shape several red spheres hobveredsilently above the fields until the helicopters came.
And that was my comment on themorning. And then I had this
person using a fake Facebook profile callinghimself the Smoking Man, you know,
lol good one. Well, Ilike a bit of sarcasms, so I

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responded to his lol good one andI said it works good. In fact,
it was amazing. Act. Youshould use the name the smoking Man
after all, isn't it his jobto debunk real events? Answer this?
Whether they use live ammunition in anexercise in a residential area? Answer never?
And one other thing, you mayhave chased and shot down the green

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object. You didn't get the redones, did they? Because they were
all still here? And then agentFox Mulder also using a fake Facebook profile.
Actually it's my job with Smiley interesting. And then of course after that
are some of the comments made bymembers of the public, which was my

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starting point at the other end,because I wanted to know what had happened
to that green object. You know, you can clearly see that people are
talking about, you know, theexplosions. I'm assuming this is your chopper
that kept me awake for hours onend? What's going on? Nightmare?
There was an explosion at three isand at one point there were three helicopters.

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Is there something going over it?On pluntress at four am, three
helicopters circling for hours keeping us allawake, you know, And these comments
went on and on, and thisis just a handful of comments from members
of the public. These were alltaken from Wales Online and from Twitter because
hundreds of people took to Twitter thatmorning to complain. But the interesting one

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is on the next slide and that'sat the bottom, and that was made
by Wales Online. And this wasat three point thirty nine in the morning,
and apparently they were still working ona story about this and they will
post the link as soon as theyhave it. So there was no press

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briefing as required by their Training overPrivate Land Act on the Defense Training estates
rules and regulations and the military haverules and regulations for a reason, and
you follow them, you don't breakthem. Otherwise the military would be absolutely
chaos. But they did and thatthe you know, I can get into

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that a bit later on because Ihave some of the rules and regulations and
the answers that we were given.So now did Wheels Online publish an article?
They did, and that was theone where military training planes and jets
kept people awake all night? Gotcha? That was their cover story, have
a military exercise. But the nextside that you see is just one of

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the trees that from the Daby trail. These trees are sixty feet tall and
the canopies were all snapped off becausewhatever went into the woods this is in
smile of woods, came in ataltitude and took all the tops of the
trees out until eventually it ended upin the crash site, which is I've

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given you one slide from the crashsite, which is next. So now
what I'm looking at here is thisis the trunk of the tree, and
this is the canopy that's been movedoff to the side because it's been snapped.
No, it would have had anotherforty foot tree on the top of
it. Okay. And if youlook at the actual trunk at the top

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of the trunk, you can seethat that is snapped. Yeah, and
this is November seventeen, so itstill hasn't ground. Oh wow. Okay.
The next slide is are some ofthe images from the crash site.
So this area down here used tobe all woods and now it's cleared from

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the crash. Yes, yes,what you see here are six trees.
There are at least twelve to fourteeninches thick. They're sixty feet long.
And they've been snapped mid trunk,not at ground level mid trunk. Now,
speaking to witnesses, they estimate thatthere was two seconds between the explosion

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over plantras in Common and the impactin Smile of Woods. Well, from
plantracent Common to Smile of Woods,it's about a mile. Whatever that was
was traveling at eighteen hundred miles anhour, and it takes an awful lot
of energy to snap a tree.You know, had fatal car accidents over

(37:59):
here where people have been traveling ninetyone hundred miles an hour and collided with
a tree, but the tree didn'tsnap. A little bit of bark has
come off, you know, butthe tree itself is still intact. To
snap trees this many in a localizedarea, it takes an awful lot of

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energy to do that, and thesetrees are very big, you know.
But there were a few strange anomineesthat that happened. Not only was it
snowing at the crash site, itwas snowing in the field where the pyramid
almost touched down where it emerged,and not in the surrounding fields, just

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in the one field. So wasthis area cordoned off by the military in
the in the following days. Yes, they were already clearing up. They
were already picking up the canopies ofthe trees. They they'd been there all
night. The men that were insmile Hogwoods that night saw the object on

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the ground and there were three peoplewalking around it in wearing hazmat suits.
And they said, because I askedthem what shape it was, and they
said, if you can imagine anold glass coat bottle with that undulation in
the center with the top cut off, that's what it was like. Like
it like a little figure eighted ifyou like, which explains the way that

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it skipped and moved as opposed togliding. Was in a straight line.
But they saw that on the groundand as I say, they were,
as he put it, gripped,he said. And kas when I say
gripped, he said, I meangripped. You know, these people were
assaulted. M But there's other strangeanomalies that took place. You know,

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there was a five degree temperature dropmoment that craft appeared. That's all five
degrees wow, And it only snowedthere. That's yeah, right, okay,
And then it went back up again. So the moment that craft came
in the temperature dropped by full fivedegrees. So now I need to ask

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you this is a little bit personal, but when you came on the first
time, you told us how yourhair was brown, and then after this
experience it turned completely gray and hasremained that way for a while. Now,
have you dyed your hair or hasit come back brown? No?
No, I'm a little bit saltand peppernaw I still am. But it
grew back. It's natural color ifyou like. Isn't that interesting? But

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I've since found out, you know, with the pigmentation and the chlorophyllm missing
from the plants, that it's somekind of ionized radiation that causes that.
Get an opportunity to speak in detailabout that with the person that mentioned it
to me, but i'd like toso apparently it's ionized radiation that causes that.

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I mean, this incident nearly killedme, you know, in twenty
sixteen, I nearly died. Sothis is no laughing matter for me,
you know, to have people cometo me, to come to me and
threaten me with perhaps a fatal caraccident that extended to my family, That's
when I decided I wouldn't stay silentanymore. Someone needs to be held accountable

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for that. So those threats camein what form. Well, when a
UFO group first got involved, theycame over and did some initial tests.
They made the incident public. Ididn't want to be public. I put
a lot of conditions on them thatI wasn't to be named or come forward

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or photographs or anything like that.But they made everything public, including all
the witness names that they knew aboutit at that time. And I had
a few people contact me via myFacebook page that had an interest in the
case and could they come out andview the site. A lot of people
do, and this one man hadcontacted me for the same purpose. And

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I'd spoken to some of the administratorsfor some of the pages that he was
a member of, and everybody saidthat they didn't actually know him, but
he'd been a member of their sitefor some eighteen months, which coincidentally was
the exact time period from when thisincident had occurred. And so I agreed

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to meet with him, thankfully,not on my own, And when I
was trying to explain to him anddescribe what had happened, he wasn't trying
to visualize. He was remembering whoeverhe was, he was part of what
went on that night. Asked mewhat it was I wanted, and I

(43:07):
said, well, I don't wantanything for myself, which is true,
I don't. I said that.You know, I'm really I don't know
what you're worried about. You know, this is just gonna be another story
like Roswell and like Rundallshon, bothof which were real events. And it's
demeanor changed, and he said,you know, you need to be careful

(43:30):
because accidents happen all the time.You know, perhaps you'll have a fatal
car accident for you and your family. M hm. He chested up to
David, who was the other primarywitness who had his small child with him
at the time. But I knewwhat he meant, and it was an

(43:53):
indirect threat, shall we say,yeah? And that's when I decided,
no one's going to threaten my kids, no one. You know, it's
my job to protect them, andif I don't, no one else will,
right, So that's when I decidedenough was enough. It's not my

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fault this happened to me. Ididn't make that happen. What happened behind
my house, I know the sameas the military that came here and camped
afterwards, who lied about their identityby the way, who were armed they

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too? Who did they say theywere? You know, well, we
had different stories, and I onlyknew that they were there because my local
Pentuck Hub and some of the residentshas said that they were told they were
a fracking survey team, which reallydidn't go down very well in the village.
And then they said that they wereVodafone doing field research, which is

(44:59):
mobile phone network. I don't knowif you've got that over there. Well
I don't have Vota phone, butI know, well, that kind of
tweaked my curiosity. So I'd goneover with a friend of mine to take
my dog for a walk, andI saw two soldiers coming towards me,
both of which were carrying guns.Now, those guns had never been dragged

(45:21):
around on exercise anywhere. They lookedbrand new, like they've been stripped and
oil that morning, and they certainlydidn't have yellow caps in the end of
the barrel, and neither were themagazines colored in any way. So it
appeared very much like they were carryinglive rounds. And they told me that
they were doing a military exercise.Bearing one that they're wearing digital camouflage,

(45:44):
and I believe that's only what theAmerican troops are given digital camouflage. But
they said they were doing a militaryexercise in case of an emergency situation.
Should we see anything funny going onin the fields, well we'd walk down
the trail a bit further and turnedleft into the field where they were camped.

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And you do have an image oftheir campsite. And they used civilian
tents and civilian vehicles, not military. And I've said all along, you
can take the man out of thearmy, but you can't take the army
out of the man. These tentswere in perfect straight lines. You know,
if I'd gone camping with my friends, I'd have been tripping over the

(46:28):
drawstrings. In the middle of thenight again I had to use the toilet,
you know. These You couldn't getyour foot between these tents. They
were absolutely perfect. But they didn'tuse military tents. And if it weren't
for these few photographs, there'd beno evidence these people were ever there.
There was a complete denial. WhenI asked the Ministry Defense about them,

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they said they held no information.So we asked them again. You know,
why did they send a cleanup crewafter the event, what were they
looking for? And why were theycarrying guns? And again they double checked
and they confirmed there held no information. So we asked them again because I
know the truth. I was there, I saw it, and so no

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lie, fake cover story, orfake exemptions will ever stand against the truth.
And eventually we've got a Section twentysix not in the public interests.
Well, I know that only themilitary can hide behind Section twenty six,
but I needed them to say it. So we asked them why were the

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military in the fields of Penturk,And again we're a Section twenty six not
in the public interests? So thatjust missions never granted for these people.
No for the change of use ofthat land. This is farmland. There's
no plan of permission for any surveyson that land. So you when you

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said that you almost died that year, what were the was it radiation or
what was it that almost kills you? The effects of high EMF And there
are military documents that will outline whathappens to people that have been exposed to

(48:21):
these craft. But basically, itdecided to open up all my veins and
arteries and slow my heart right downand I nearly died. The craft did
that indirectly. Yeah, it wasn'tintentional. It was just because it was
so close to me, right,And do you think because they blew up

(48:44):
part of the craft that came out, that's why you were exposed, Like
if they would fly over, youwouldn't have been or the craft came within
ten feet of me. But theradiation that must have been in that field
that morning, Let's put it thisway. The MF was still so high
twenty months after the event, itwas still in the microwave level and beta

(49:10):
radiation was also found there. Twentymonths after the event. It was still
a severe concern on the Health andSafety graph if you like. Have there
been effects on like the animals andstuff in the area long term? I
wouldn't know about the animals, butcertainly though I was on the plant life.

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Yeah, you know, the hedgethat the barrels stopped over the top
of didn't grow for three years andthe ball patch is still baled. Interesting
still bald. Yeah, So peoplethat come to visit there, do they
risk having any effects or is itit's clear now? Well, we've been

(49:54):
testing it for the last one it'salmost it'd be eight years this month and
just a few days, and we'vebeen testing it for seven years, and
after about the fifth year, Ithink it had started to diminish. So
I'm not quite sure if there's anythingthere now, but certainly there was for
a very long time. Wow,how do you explain that? So?

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Did you eat the local meat likeat the farmer yeah, farmers markets there?
Did you eat a local livestock oralways we've got to support the farmers,
yeah, always? Yeah. So, actually I skipped over one image
I think you were talking about.Is this they change your temperature? Yeah?

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Yeah, that was the temperature dropat the exact time that that craft
came in. Right here now,I spike down five degrees. It dropped
thirty seven. This is celsius orfahrenheit fahrenheit, So from thirty seven fahrenheit
down to basically thirty two instantaneously betweenone in two am at the moment it

(51:01):
came in. Yeah, and thenit gradually goes back up. I don't
know if if you can, orI've ever been homeless, but normally four
am is the coldest time of themorning, you know, Yeah, that's
right. Chad doesn't talk about hishomeless time. The next slide will be

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the illegal camp site. And thiswas a letter that was sent out regarding
the police counter terrorism exercise that tookplace in June of that year. Even
though the police are trying to tryto tell me that, you know,
police counter terrorism exercises our secret andnot in the public interest. They gave
everybody a letter and put up postersand it was this that they tried to

(51:50):
merge together with what happened in February. Part in February, and then they
went to the expense of this policecounter terrorist and drill to try how many
terrorists have you had in penterk Wheels? How many? How many terrorists have
there been in Pentirk Wheels? Non? Zero? Yeah, So do they

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really hold an exercise on June twentyeight, twenty sixteen, they did,
yes, Inflantriscant in some disused warehousesin a fenced off area, in a
contained area, which is where anexercise would take place. And it was
filmed and you can see the simulatedminitions going off, which is what they

(52:38):
tried to say was the cause ofthe explosion. But I'd like to see
them place one in the air.Secondly, there wasn't enough smoke from four
of those simulated minisions to create enoughsmoke to resemble a foggy night, which
is what the witnesses have told usthat we're at the hospital. Members of

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stuff. You know, what theyused to bring that green object down was
absolutely most definitely a missile, andthat was a smoke from a missile.
And that's why there was a meticulousmetal search carried out on pluntes in common
in what the military calls silent hours, using helicopters and troops on the ground.

(53:22):
And in fact, they picked upevery piece of metal on that common
that night, and we had aSection twenty six for that too, and
we asked them why they conducted thatmetal search in the early hours. And
so now apparently your washing machine andbits of old bike on national security.
So I highly recommend to all ofyour viewers that if you've got a broken

(53:43):
down washing machine, that you've phonedyour local ministry Defense or Department of Defense,
let them know there's a national securityrisk at the end of your street,
because that's how pathetic that is.I mean, clearly they were picking
up parts of the missile they fired. That's what that was about. So
let me ask you this because oneof the issues, one of the counter

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arguments to any I'll just call itconspiracy theories, and I'm not saying that's
what this is. But one ofthe issues is where the concept that so
many different people and agencies and everythingare involved, So being that this is
the South Wales Police doing this potentiallyat the behest of the Ministry of Defense

(54:29):
to hide and whoever else is abovethis to create this subterfuge of oh we
do do you know these exercises?Do you think the South Wales Police were
aware or like unaware participants in thisThey were basically asked to do this and

(54:50):
then they did it or they knew, they absolutely knew, and they've been
They're the ones that contrived the secondcover story of a police can terroris next
time, because when people they relyon people's memories fading, and especially as
it's been eight years now and peoplelook back to an exercise in twenty sixteen,
it'll be oh, yes, wehad a letter, but unfortunately the

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real event happened in February and thisexercise took place in June. And I've
caught the trust out from the hospitaltrying to merge these two things together,
and I called them out on itand said, I'd like to think there's
some confusion on your part, butthey too have changed their story and tried

(55:36):
to backfill with this counter terrorism exercisethat took place on the twenty fifth and
twenty sixth of February twenty sixteen.So we took South Wales Police to the
Information Commissioner's office because they refused toanswer us and tried to hide behind two
exemptions that do not apply and hadthem basing criminal charges. But so does

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that mean the South Wales Police knowthat there are UFOs and they know the
reality of the situation absolutely. Weasked about the road closures. We are
South Wales Police about road closures becausea lot of the roads were closed,
many people had difficulty in getting home, and initially they refused to answer us

(56:22):
and said no, it's a vexatiousrequest which is too much trouble or worrisome
to people. We're asking about roadclosures that happened nearly eight years ago and
they're telling us that's worrisome to people. So we asked for an internal review
and we did get an answer andtheir answer is well, if this is

(56:43):
the level of intelligence. By god, we're in trouble. They actually said
quote that they could find no informationregarding any road closures that night because the
police officers involved have since left theorganization. Well if they can find no
information, how the bloody hell dothey know who's involved. It's ridiculous.

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Sorry, excuse my language. Thisis the basement language. Okay, it's
just this, this, and thishas gone on. You know, so
we know they closed the roads.We have multiple witnesses to them closing the
roads. We know the military closedthe roads. We know now that there
were multiple shootdowns, and not justyou see that bright green object, the

(57:31):
one that was over plunches in Commonright next to the Royal Mint was different
to all the rest, And that'sthe one they shot with the Apache helicopter
and you have a picture of.I believe the red the red UFO has
got away. Is that what yousaid earlier? No, there were at

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least three of those that I knowthat were brought down. I'd like to
think that they got away. Wehave a witness in Betterson Bridge End,
about thirty miles west of here.There saw military jets and helicopters pursuing a
cluster of lights and I spoke tothis witness and he told me because I

(58:16):
said, I know those lights weren'twhite, so what color were they?
And he told me green. Buthe said it happened so fast, Kaz,
and that was all he wanted tosay on the matter. So the
next remember the staff at the RoyalGlamorgan Hospital and I'll call him Matt C.

(58:38):
And he said, I was workinga night shift at the Royal Glamorgan
Hospital. I can't be certain whattime it was exactly, but there was
a loud bang that shook the wholehospital. I ran to the window for
I thought something had crashed into theside of the ward I was in.
Shortly following, the smell of likesulfur was coming through the vents and seemed
to linger all night through the corridorsof the hospital. I went outside to

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try and puzzle what had happened,as smoke seemed to be missing through the
air seemed to come from towards thecommon or. At the time, I
thought a factory might have had anexplosion of sorts. There were helicopters circling
right throughout the night, from theearly hours ride up to about six ish
maybe in the morning. The onlyexplanation we got later on was from the

(59:22):
news that the army were on atraining exercise. Now the hospital told me
once they tried to change their storythat they told their stuff about this police
counter Terrori's exercise. But I've gotan excerpt because we asked for some of
the phone called transcripts from South WalesPolice of the hundreds of people they're called

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in that night, and one ofwhich was from the Ambulance Service and the
staff at the Royal Gmorgan Hospital theydidn't know and they were advised then that
it was a military exercise, Sonot even the police knew that it was
a police canter terrorism exercise because thatdidn't exist either. Mm hmm. It's

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a tangled web they've woven. ButI'm the spider. It doesn't matter what
they say. Excuse me. Thisis from a lady called Moira, whose
father was a patient at the RoyalMorgan Hospital on the night who heard a
lot of gunfire, aerial activity andthen a huge bang that shook him in

(01:00:30):
his hospital bed. He lived throughthe war and was an armorer in the
RAF so he knew what he washearing. He said it was quite unnerving.
This is a veteran in the hospitalthat night, and that's the Apache
helicopter, the one that had tomake an emergency landing at the covered in

(01:00:57):
stealth paint apparently where you wouldn't expectto see an Apache helicopter at Cardiff International.
So how do you know that stealthpaint because of the color? No,
because of the people that we've spokento at the airport, okay who
work there. Interesting, Yeah,I can only send you so much,
you know, for the time thatwe have. Yeah understood. That is

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from the National Geographic Society. Onthe left hand side is the explosion that
went off at four twenty one andthat's from Monmouthshire, forty miles away.
This was not a simulated minision.This shook people's homes. You know.
This was a huge explosion. Soduring the day, all those those chomping

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and sound, is that just likenormal air travel or yeah? Yeah,
yeah, so nice silent and allof a sudden you have that bump it
for yes, and then what isthis here? This? I know this
is later, but this there's afairly big red spike here. What would
account for that? Do you thinkprobably aircraft to be honest. But whatever

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we asked about that, shall wesay, and they told us whatever it
was was man made and the onlything that was going on that line was
the military. Okay, So thatwas the I was quite shocked to learn
that that explosion went off at fourtwenty one, because that means I've lost

(01:02:28):
an hour and a half in time. Is Cardiff in the international airport?
Yes, okay. I was goingto say, that looks like a big
British Airways plane there in the backgroundexactly what it is. Had a lot
of FedEx in and out of thereas well, okay. And so the
helicopter went down an emergency landing.That was it hit? Currently the pilots
were hanging out of the window becausethere was smoke bellowing from its cockpit.

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So was it hit by something?It was just like a normal issue.
Perhaps it was too close when itfired the shot and was caught in its
own kinetic wave, caught in theexplosion, shall we say so? Yes,
I think they learned some valuable lessonsthat night. We can get into

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some of the freedom of informations ifyou like. The next one is from
the Ministry Defense. When we askedwhy a meticulous metal search was carried out
in the early hours of the twentysixth of February twenty sixteen on clunches in
common. What were they searching for? And the Ministry of Defense has with
the hell this information under section twentysix. So again, bits of our

(01:03:35):
bike, bits of our washing machineare now national security and not on the
public interest. Excuse me the nextone. All of these slides have the
reference numbers on the top of them. You can go to what do they
Know? Dot com and type inthose reference numbers and the freedom of information

(01:04:00):
will come up for you. Isthat what we're looking at? Here?
Am I on the wrong slide?You're on the wrong slide? I just
hit Deniland contradictions? Which is thenext one? Keep going there? Yeah?
Sorry? And this was regarding themen that came encamped in the fields,

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so we asked I'm writing to requestinformation regarding the military exercise that took
place in the field of Penturk adjacentto Tineykoyd Road at the rear at the
Sauna State in the first of Februarytwenty sixteen and the thirtieth of April twenty
sixteen. Local residents were told theywere conducting a military exercise in case fromn
emergency situation? Why were the residentsnot told the military were conducting an exercise

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there? And the mod holds norecords within the scope of our request,
so they denied any knowledge of them. That was their first And yeah,
so who the hell were they allright? Because later on we got them
to admit that they were military.But the point was that to the layman,

(01:05:09):
or to someone that was just investigatingthis case, who doesn't have the
I don't know what I'm looking forbut didn't see it, You know,
who didn't see it, who don'tdoesn't know the truth, would have accepted
that the same as you know,the cover story to cover the cover story.

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When they dug a little deeper,it must have been a police character
terrorist exercise. That's what it wasabout. It was secret. No,
that's not what it was. Anyway, we go on to the next slide.
Yes, yeah, these are twoseparate freedom of information requests. It's
not that one that one ninety onewe should be on. Why did you

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send a cleanup crew after the event? What were they searching for? And
why were they carrying guns? Andagain, the Ministry Defense's response to our
earlier freedom of information request as statedthe mod's response dated twenty fourth of October
twenty eighteen, no information is heldin the scope of your request. A

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further search has been conducted and Ican confirm the MOD does not hold the
information in the scope of your request. That's a second denial. So we
asked them again if this was justan exercise, why use the field to
Pento when Sanidbridge is just up theroad and ismd Land and wherever. The
residents not notified this was happening inadvance. And then they said, as

(01:06:39):
stated in the mod's response dated twentyfourth of October, some of the information
in the scope of your request isheld, and this information is withheld into
section twenty six, where they didn't. They never said some of the information
in the scope of a request isheld. They always denied it, flat
out denied it. So that's anotherlie. So section twenty six, just
to rehash that is like after HomelandSecurity can't release type information, is that

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what that is? Disclosure? Notto disclose it's not in the public interest.
Basically defense play national security right iswhat section twenty six is. Yeah,
I love that their answers, theway they use the word scope.
If I were to put my lawyerhat on, They're not saying that the

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information doesn't exist. They're saying theyconsider it outside the scope. Yeah,
in the scope of your request.Yeah right, But when they double check,
they still deny that they hold anyinformation when clearly they in the scope.
Yes, in the scope. Ifyou go to the next one,
which is a Joint Forces command,we wrote to them, why would the

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soldiers carrying automatic weapons that did nothave a yellow caps in the end of
the barrel, implying they were carryinglive rounds? And they said information is
withheld under section twenty six. However, under section sixteen duty to provide advice
and assistance, maybeish to be awarethat military personnel we're using blank simulated ammunition
for this exercise. Then we wenton, you know, men wearing forensic

(01:08:18):
white paper suits were seen searching thefields. So if there was a risk
of contamination to the team, wasthere not also a risk to local residents?
Mod holds no record of contamination associatedwith this exercise. No exercise has
ever been listed for these people tothis date. And finally, why were

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the military in the fields of Penturkduring this time not vodaphone, not a
fracking survey team the military, andthis information is withheld under Section twenty six,
not in the scope of withheld.Yeah, so if it was vodaphone,
it wouldn't be held with under sectiontwenty six because it wouldn't fall under

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that. It was exclusion. Onlythe military can hide behind section twenty six.
But I needed them to say it, and I got them to say
it, and they denied any knowledgeof these people in the fields twice.
We then get a Section twenty six. Not very well done on their part.

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No, no, the crap,excuse me my language. So one
of the questions we asked them was, if this was just an exercise,
why did they lie about their identityand give a fake cover story as to
their presence and why what were theydoing in the field of Penturk. When
approached by local residents, they impressedupon them that they were civilians, even

(01:09:44):
though some were dressed in military attire. No planning permission had been granted for
this campsite in these fields, butthey were civili intents and vehicles, not
military. Again, I asked,why did they lie about their identity if
this was just a military excess?Site and a search for the information is
ever completed within the Ministry Defense,and I can confirm that some of the

(01:10:06):
information in the scope you request isheld. Whoever, all of the information
falls entirely within the exemptions provided toSection twenty six, so I know that
this couldn't possibly be true. Iknow a little bit about the military and
their rules and regulations, so Idecided i'd find their rules, their regulations,

(01:10:28):
their standing orders, and I haveread the whole the lot. But
there was one document in particular thatI was very interested in, and it's
the next one, the Training overPrivate Land Act, and this has for
the Ministry Defense, by the DefenseInfrastructure Organization, the people in charge of

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the military. And the first thingI went to, which will be your
very next slide, is identification.All members of the services must disclose their
identity and that of their unit ifasked to do so by landowners and officials
of National Parks or Forestry Commission.It may not always be possible for landowners

(01:11:10):
and officials to be readily recognized,but any person's questioning service personnel on private
land must be assumed to have avalid reason for doing so. Though therefore
the utmost courtesy must be extended tothem. Parties of service personnel or individuals
are not to avoid any person attemptingto question them. But they did and

(01:11:32):
they lied. This was not anexercise, This was a covert military operation.
Next is what they should do foran exercise of this magnitude. There

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must be a ministerial briefing in advanceabout large scale military exercises as volving extensive
areas of the UK, including trainingover private land, and the submission must
include the period of the exercise,including weekend activities, times of the exercise,
including any night time activities, thenumber of troops, vehicles and helicopters,

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any extensive out of ours helicopters andfast jets activity, any foreign forces
involved. You guys were involved overthere. The Americans details many open days
on media briefings, how the exercisemight affect the general public. Will believe
me they were affected because nobody knew. And a draft letter for the Minister

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to send to members of Parliament andmembers of devolved legislators whose constituents are likely
to be affected by the exercise activity. When nobody knew anything, The Welsh
government didn't know, local government didn'tknow, and certainly the press didn't know
because they were still a story aboutit at three thirty nine in the morning,

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so they didn't plan it. Yeah, non exercise. There's no denying
that this is all extremely suspicious.Yeah, right, exercise. So this
was a letter to the Welsh Government. Again, reference numbers are on there
if people want to look this up. The Welsh Government neither manages military exercises
in Wales nor holds a record ofany military exercises held in Wales by date,

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so they weren't able to help us. So then we wrote to local
government, which is the very nextone, the Rhonda Cunning Tough Council.
I'm researching the incident on the nightof the twenty fifth and twenty sixth of
February twenty sixteen, which involved thesupposed military exercise which took place in the
area around Plantristan common to penturk Anarea within which the Royal Morgan Hospital in

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the Royal minterlocated. Did the councilhave prior warning that the exercise was taking
place and if so, how muchnotification was given? And they said that
the authority was not made aware ofany exercises in this area on these dates.
And was not aware of any councilproperty being damaged, so they were

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not told there was no letter toright all. The next one is what
Wells Online said at three point thirtynine in the morning that they were currently
still working on a story about this, so there absolutely was not a press
briefing. Yes, o, kads, I need to take a quick break.
I need to take a party break. Yeah, okay, I'll still

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be here. Okay to recall aparty where you live? Okay. So

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on the next slide, Yeah,keep up with their chat right, Sorry,
thank you for retarding. Yes,please. We wrote to South Wales
Fire Service. Surely they would knowsomething because there's huge explosions going off in
a residential area and they didn't knowanything either. I think maybe I'm on

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the wrong slide. I just hitnext. It says no mainstream media briefing.
That's South Wales. That's what theysaid. That was there, remember
I pointed out in the comments,so they checked with them. Still story
out at three thirty nine in themorning. So should I move on from
this slide? Yeah to the nextone. Okay, here we go,
which is South Wales Fire Service,and we requested any information that they had

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regarding the alleged exercise that took placeon the twenty fifth and twenty sixth of
February twenty sixteen and following an investigation, the Service holds no information in relation
to this matter detailed in your request. So the Fire Service didn't know anything
even though there were huge explosions goingoff in a residential area next to the

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Royal Mint, next to a hospital, next to an industrial estate, so
they weren't told anything. We askedthe hospital, which is the next slide,
could you please provide me with whatemergency measures, services and procedures were
undertaken and information was passed to theRoyal Gmrgan Hospital and military personnel during this

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time of the explode. The explosionhappened and no emergency measures or services and
procedures were undertaken as no information waspassed to the Royal Gmorgan Hospital about this
exercise, so the hospital didn't knoweither. God forbid that anybody was having
neurosurgery that night because the entire hospitalshook and nobody needs We're going back to

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the Training over Private Land Act asSection thirty A, B and D.
This is still part of the MinistriesRules and Regulations. The use of ammunition
and pyrotechnics, and there's a reasonwhy I'm going to go through these quickly.
Special attention is to be paid toany restrictions imposed by the landowner on

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the use of blank ammunition, pyrotechnicsor other training materials. When permission has
been given for the use of liveammunition or pyrotechnics, units are to warn
the local police. And on noaccount should red flares be used for any
training purpose, because that's what mynot so learned friends are alleging, that's
what I saw flares. On noaccount should red flares be used for any

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training purpose. They weren't flares.So I do believe that a Miss Martin
who did this independently set a freedomof information request into the Royal Air Force
asking I would like to request informationregarding the alleged exercise Comeleon that took place

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in pent Turke and Clantressen area ofSouth Wales on the twenty fifth and twenty
sixth of February twenty sixteen. Canyou tell me were any aircraft flares set
off during this exercise? If so, what time would they set off and
if so, what location would theyset off? A search for the information
is now can being completed within theMinistry Defense, and I can confirm that

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no information in the scope of yourrequest is held. No flares were used.
But it gets better. We goto the next slide again. What
they should do for an exercise ofthis magnitude a detailed brequet and written consent.
Once authority has been given, itis the unit's responsibility to carry out

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a detailed reque, decide upon thesuitability of the area, obtain the owner's
written consent. The written consent mustreach the brigade a minimum of twenty one
days before training is due to start, and the brigade can authorize training as
soon as the owner's written consent isreceived. Well. Funnily enough, the

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owner in this case was National Resourcesfor Wales, which is the very next
slide, and we wrote to NationalResources for Wales. I'm writing in respect
to your follow up requests for informationdata twenty third of February twenty eighteen.
Why was Smilog Woods close to thepublic during this time? February twenty fifth

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and twenty sixth, twenty sixteen.What exactly was the reason for the military
being in Smilog Woods during this time? Whose authority was it to close the
world word to the public during thistime? And why were the roads closed
down in the areas of Flantresen andaround Smilog Woods during this time? And
they answered us there was no permissiongranted to the military to close the woodland

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and the public paths and let offexplosives in the woodlands mentioned during these dates
or in fact any dates, sowe have no records. This type of
activity would have required permission, soif it had occurred, we would have
had a record. Therefore, Regulationtwelve to four a Environmental Information Regulation two
thousand and four, applies information notheld, so they did not get permission

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from the landowner, without which noexercise could ever take place. M H.
All right, but it gets betteragain. This is where the hospital
changed their story. We asked them, on the twenty sixth February twenty sixteen,
a military exercise took place in thearea around the Royal gla Morgan Hospital.

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You stated in a previous Freedom ofinformation that no notification was given to
you. I have since discovered thata large explosion took place sometime after four
am on the same date. Sometimeafter this, security were notifying concerned employees
and staff at the Royal Glamrgan Hospitalthat this was an exercise and that hospital

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services were not required. So asyou had no prior notification, could you
plead answer the following questions. Whonotified the hospital by telephone after four am
on the twenty sixth of February thattheir services were not required after the explosion?
And who notified the hospital security thatwas a result of a military exercise

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and how? And they wrote andsaid, oh, please accept our apologies
for the previous response. But newinformation has come to light. We can
confirm that the Health Board Civil ContingenciesManager at the time was notified by South
Wales Police in advance of the exercise. Further to notification, the switchboard and

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security were informed of the event thatno involvement would be required. So the
all of a sudden found information,new information has come to light. So
we asked them for proof of thisprior notification because obviously this needs investigating and
clearly I know the truth. Sofunnily enough, the freedom of information request

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where they deliberately tried to merge themilitary and the police exercise together has vanished.
There is definitely evidence of absence.Shall we say, but we do
have our reply and this is whatwe said. In your reply, you
referred twice to the police counter terrorismdrill and not the military exercise. We

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specifically asked you about. The policecounter terror drill took place on June sixteenth
of twenty six and the military exercisetook place on the twenty sixth of February
twenty sixteen. I would like tothink that there is some confusion at your
end, and not the idea thatperhaps the Trust we're trying to deliberately merge
these two separate exercises as one.We ask for specific details of the military

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exercise and not the police counter terrorismdrill. If the Trust were given prior
notification of the military exercise in Februarytwenty sixteen, can the Trust please provide
details of that notification, include inday and time. And they wrote back
and said, I apologize for anyconfusion caused by our previous response to your

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information requests. I bet they do. To clarify, the Health Board Civil
Contingencies manager at the time, whono longer works there, was notified by
South Wales Police. We've taken anextract from the email please see below.
And I'm not a computer genius,but even I can type in a different
color font. Southwes known mind thatthey will be conducting two character terrorism exercises

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eleven pm to three am on thetwenty fifth and twenty sixth of February twenty
sixteen, and all day on thetwenty first of June. There is no
mention of a military exercise. Wehave used the wording that was in the
email center stuff regarding this exercise onthe twenty fifth and twenty sixth of February.
So now, did you seek outthe manager at the time. Oh,

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they won't speak to us. We'vebeen to the hospital and we've asked
to speak to them and they absolutelyrefused just to communicate with us whatsoever.
But I did speak to hospital securitybecause they told us that their records didn't
go back to twenty sixteen. AndI spoke to hospital security and they assured
me absolutely they do. They don'tthrow anything away. But you didn't.

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You weren't able to track the nameof the contingencies manager from that time and
find him and ask him if anyof this is true. No, they
won't give us any details at allunder data protection. Now are you doing
all of this yourself, not much. No, Gary Jones is doing it
with me, and we do haveother individuals that are helping. But we

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weren't going to let the hospital offthe hook that easily. We asked them
about the military exercise again, aboutproving that they had this email, and
basically they this was an internal responseand they upheld it and said that you

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know, they weren't given out namesand all the rest of it. As
per the previous response, an emailwas issued by our Civil Contingencies Manager sorry
I post at the time to allrelevant staff fifteen fifty six on the twelfth
of February twenty sixteen. This includedthe following extract and again the same blue

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font another staff knew, no oneknew and the next slide after that are
some of the phone calls made toSouth Wales Police that night, and I've
highlighted the one that's important at themoment, and that was a call from
the Ambulance Service and the staff atthe Royal Glamorgan Hospital who could hear a

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helicopter and also allowed bang and theywere wondering what was going on in that
area and they were advised that therewas an ongoing military exercise. That's from
South Wales Police, so the staffweren't told. That's another lie. It
gets them. When we pressed themfor the email, they actually said we

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would also like to reiterate there areno requirements to keep details of notifications of
exercises, so they don't even addthe email that they supposedly took an extract
from. Don't have the email,how could they give us an excerpt.
I wonder how the whoever's behind allof this military whatever is putting the pressure

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on an enterprise like a hospital tochange their story and everything else, because
it's hard for me to believe thatthe hospital, for example, is in
on the whole UFO subject, right, So somebody's putting pressure on them,
right. I would like to justsay this. The journalist that wrote the

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two cover stories on the morning ofthe twenty sixth February left her job that
she'd been doing for fifteen years andnine months took a new position at the
Royal Grimorgan Hospital as the communications officer. Yeah that's odd, right, Yeah,

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so that's probably the new contingencies anyway, moving on swiftly because there's a
lot to get through. This isfrom the Royal Mint and we asked them
because of some allegations that perhaps isso called alleged exercise was to do with
the Royal Mint. And this isfollowing our freedom of information request. Whilst

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we received prior notification of the trainingexercise you refer to from the Welsh Extremism
Countered Terrorism Unit, the Royal Minthad no involvement in respect of the exercise
whatsoever, and our premises were notused in any way. The exercise had
no impact on our security systems oralarms, and any road closures had no

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effect on its either. Well,we pressed them further and they said,
you know, to show us proofthat they had prior notification. This is
the Royal Mint. We have nopaperwork or documented evidence of notification of this
event. We were informed verbally andgiven the passing of time and the lack
of written notification, were unable tobe more specific as to the day and

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time of the notification. There aremilitary grade explosives going off outside their building
and nobody checked. This is theRoyal Mint. M I need to look
more into the Royal Mint. Idon't know a whole lot about that,
but based on what you said,it's very interesting. It's got to be

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heavily guarded regards. Absolutely, itwas heavily guarded. But it's also part
of the Ministry Defense's avoidance policy.And there are certain key establishments, let's
say royal households and the Royal Mintwhere you can't fly over without special permission.

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And so the Royal Mint contains goldtreasure, like what is it exactly
that's in their prince It prints makesthe coins okay. The realm also has
safety to positive boxes. Is oneof the most, if not the most
secure building in Europe. It's likeFort Knox for us. I'm not sure

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Ford Knox is a real thing anymore, like what Fort Knox used to be
for us exactly Now it's all Digitaleahyeah at the moment. So this is
getting on to South Wales Police becausewe knew who to an ask now no,
this Welsh Extremism counter Terrorism Unit.So eleven times we asked this question.

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I wish to request information pertain intotraining exercises. Could you please confirm
whether you were or weren't conducting counterterrors and exercises in Clantston or the local
vicinity of South Wales between the twentyfifth and twenty sixth of February twenty sixteen.
What time or times did these exercisestake place? Did these exercises take

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place and roughly for how long werethe local population informed that counter terrorism exercises
were taking place during the request oftime a birth and can you please give
any details about what equipment was usedand how much did these exercises disturb the
local population? That was our questioneleven times and their response huh, which

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was very long winded and I didgive them a B plus because it was
a good effort, but not goodenough when you know the truth. The
South Wales Police connyther confirm or denyit holds any information with regard to our
request confirm or deny. Within thefreedom of information request a document is a
heading that either have to confirm theyhave the information or they deny they hold

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the information. But they cannot saywe can neither confirm or deny. But
they tried to hide behind the twoexemptions of national secure purity and law enforcement,
which were neither a valid exemption.So I wrote back to them,

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which is the next one. DearSouth Wales Police, thank you for your
response to my freedom of information requestsrequesting whether you conducted the counter terrorists and
exercise on the twenty fifth and twentysixth of February in the Atlantis and area
of South Wales. You quoted twoexemptions national security and law enforcement. Having
given your exemptions some consideration and wholeheartedlyagreeing that national security should be a priority,

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I do not agree that your exemptionsare valid in this case. You
state to disclose whether or not theinformation is held would undermine the force's capabilities,
which consequently would be detrimental to theirability to deal with the ongoing terrorists
threat we face. It would becounterproductive to place information in the public domain

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about any counter terrorism exercises which wouldinform the general public, especially those with
malintent, that counter terrorists and tactics, techniques and procedures would have been on
display or will be in the future. Counter Terrorism operations, by their very
nature, are fundamental to the safetyand protection of the country and the public
at large. Therefore, to confirmor deny the information is held negatively impact

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tactics, techniques and procedures, whichis not in the public interest. And
if you go to the next slide, it continues with my letter that on
the twenty eighth of June twenty sixteenin the Flantress and area of South Wales.
You did, indeed conduct a policecounter terrorism exercise in some disused warehouses

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adjacent to the Royal Mint antiluntless andcommon. A letter was issued and sent
to all residents of Plantism and thesurrounding areas to warn of this exercise.
In advance. Posters were also erectedgiving notice of the informa mentioned exercise.
Did the rules for national security andyour ability to police not apply then?

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Or indeed the public interest? Thisis just one example of police counter terrors
exercises being announced in advance, wherethey were advertised on the mainstream media,
on television and on local radio stations. Surely notifying people in advance, sometimes
months in advance, would be arisk to national security. I'm asking about

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an alleged exercise that took place sevenyears ago and would in no way impact
national security or your techniques and procedures. Police counter terrors and exercises have always
been announced in advance in every majorcity in England, Scotland, Wales and
Northern Ireland. They've also been announcedon a europe wide counter terrorists excise in

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advance. This subject has never beena secret until now. For these two
dates, specifically, you mentioned severaltimes your tactics, techniques and procedures.
I'm not asking about any of those. But here is a link to a
video on YouTube where a senior policeofficer is giving a running commentary of your

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police in action during one of yourcounter terrorists exercises and as a UK Police
launched major counter terrorist and drills inLondon where the Queen was at the time,
and the link is for the AssistantCommissioner herself. This is just one
example, but there are many morewhich I can provide on request. I

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feel you are deliberately trying to avoidmy question, which is reasonable and if
national security or your ability to policedid not apply in the country's capital,
in in every major city in theUnited Kingdom and across the whole of Europe
and the rest of the world,why then will you not answer any of
my questions regarding the twenty fifth andtwenty sixth of February twenty sixteen in the

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Tranterston area of South Wales. AndI'm not done yet, Chas I think
you missed your calling. You shouldhave been a lawyer. Well, Gary
does call me Barrister Clark. Iwent on to say, if you do
not answer my request, I willask for an internal review, providing more

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evidence if necessary. If that fails, of a logic complaint with my police,
with the Police Complaints Committee and myMP. In the famous words of
the late great President JF. Kennedy, the very word secrecy is repugnant in
a free and open society. Thelaw requires that you answer me, and
the exemptions you have given have neverapplied. Police counter terrorism exercises have always

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been advertised in advance on the mainstreamnews, in the media, on the
Internet and on the radio. Iwould appreciate a very quick and timely reply
and not leave me waiting the lawfultime allowed. This is a request that
can be sorry. This request issomething that can be dealt with in quick
time, and quick time they diddeal with it. We asked for an

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internal review and they gave us aninternal review. This was the question I
wish to request information pertaining to trainingexercises. Could you please confirm whether you
were or weren't conducting counter terrorism trainingexercises in Atlantrasan in the local vicinity of
South Wales between the twenty fifth andtwenty sixth of February, and they upheld

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their initial response with an internal review, which is fair and impartial. Nothing
is fair and impartial by a policeforce that is self governing. And they
went on to say, if youremain dissatisfied with the response, you have
the right to direct your complaint tothe Information Commissioner's Office using the attached contact

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details. Was some fold forgot toaction those attached contact details. So Gary
and I went to the ICO directlyand they don't take on everybody's case because
they haven't they can't, and wehave to submit our evidence to the Information
Commissioner's Office and they upheld our complaintun investigated South Wales Police for contempt and

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we won. Wow. Right,thank you for your complaint and supporting information
about the public body authorities handling overyour request for information. That's South Wales
Police. Your complaint is important tous and is now eligible for investigation.

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And they did indeed have to answerus or face two years in prison,
a five thousand pounds fine or bothfor every officer that answered our freedom of
information requests or refused to answer.And this came from Jeremy Vaughan, Chief
of Police for South Wales Police.The reference number and case number is on

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the top there and inquiries have beenmade to the Character Terrorism Unit and they
have confirmed that they hold no informationin relation to this. There were no
police counter terrorist exercises on those dates. So why did the hospital change their
story? Why did the Royal Mintssay that they were given prior notice in

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advance even though they can't provide anydocumentation for it. And how is it
the South Wales Police were telling peopleit was a military exercise and didn't know
themselves that it was supposed to havebeen a police character terrorist exercise on the
night. But it gets better.We asked about road closures. I was
talking about this earlier. A numberof roads were closed off during the exerciseuse

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not done with the South Wales Policejust yet and the Royal g Morgan Hospital
and Smile of Woods who exactly gavethe order? Why was it necessary to
close the roads and whose job wasit to close the roads during the time
stated? And this came as arefusal under Section fourteen of the Freedom of
Information Act. Vexatious, troublesome orworrysome to people. We're asking about road

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closures that happened eight years ago,means they're telling us that's worrisome to people.
M So we asked for an internalreview, and I hope that your
viewers get this because for me,this was hilarious and I have to say,
this is the level of intelligence thatwe have got running our country.

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We're in trouble big time. Weasked for an internal review and they decided
that it wasn't a vexatious request,and their response was, we have been
unable to locate any recorded information inrelation to any road closures on the date
specified. The officers involved have sinceleft the organization, and other inquiries have

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been unsuccessful. How did they knowwho's involved if it didn't occur, if
it didn't happen, how do theyknow who's involved? So again they're lying
clearly. No, I am vexatious. Yes you are. Yes, I

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learn a new word and I'm usingit incorrectly. It's fine. Anyway,
going back to this document, whichis training over private land. You've all
seen the cover of that before.Yes, I just want to get into
a couple of the rules and regulations. Excuse me, okay, next slide.

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Regulations have traded noise right, trainingover private land. Units must pay
particular attention to the prevention of noise, especially during silent hours. Silent hours
like four point thirty in the morning. Yeah. Similarly, exercises are not
to be planned in areas where disturbancewould be caused to local inhabitants in their

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homes. Perhaps they'd like to explainto all the residents of Plantrisant and Bay
either in Ponty Clean where they werehovering their helicopters low over their houses at
four thirty in the morning. Theseare their rules, not mine. But
the biggest one for me is theavoidance policy. These are their words.

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There are no uninhabited areas of theUK large enough to meet our essential training
needs. In principle, the wholeof the UK is available for low flying
by military aircraft to provide sufficient trainingfor airspace whilst reducing the potential for disturbance
as far as possible. In practice, military low flying is not conducted in

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certain areas. In particular, ouraircraft do not conduct low flying within the
controlled airspace surrounding civil airports Cardiff Internationalwas just up the road, and also
to avoid overflying centers of population ofmore than ten thousand inhabitants. Contrast alone
has over thirteen thousand. But thisgets better. In addition, there are

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restrictions placed on the overflight of specificindustrial, medical and other key establishments.
Is a hospital, the Royal mintis a key establishment which also sits on
an industrial estate. And they brokeevery rule. They totally ignored the government's

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home avoidance policy, which is soserious it involves royal households. Moving on
to the next slide, which isthe public right of way, and there's
a reason why I'm coming to this. Okay. Service personnel on foot are

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entitled to use the public facilities thesame way as civilians, but not monopolize
the area. If a public rightof way covers an area of private land
used for training over private land,it must remain open to the public.
There is no legal mechanism to closea public right of way for an exercise.

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But those men in smileog Woods werearrested, detained, assaulted, illegally
searched and removed forcibly from that area. I must say, these are some
good rules that they have for thepublic interest. They're not following them because
it wasn't a public exercise, butthey're good written rules. I wonder if

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we have anything like this, orif you would think so, I would
hope so well. The next slideare my questions to the Ministry of Defense.
The Freedom of Information reference number isat the top there. For this
multi billion pound operation, what person, organization, or public body did you

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receive written permission from to conduct thisexercise over private land? The Ministry of
Defense holds no information. What informationwas given to the local community or local
government for such a loud and disturbingexercise over a congested area? The MOD
holds no information? Where any restrictionsplaced upon you by the landowner, organization

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or public body prior to this exercise? The MOD holds no information. What
written permission did you have to landyour helicopters in silent hours in a congested
area? The Ministry Defense holds noinformation? And can you supply a copy
of the detailed reque including a photocopyof the map and roots? And would

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you believe it? The Ministry Defensedon't have a single piece of paper work
to back this up, not one, not one for a multi billion pound
operation. They didn't have written permission. They broke every rule in the book.
This is no small thing. Thisis massive. I want to get

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onto the subject of the no time, which is a notice to airmen,
and it's been a sticking point withsome of what might call my not so
learned friends for some time now becausea no time was issued, but not
on the night, it was issuedthe next day and then added. The
first slide is regarding the two aircraftthat were in the skies of Penturck before

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the event, and it took themnearly three years to answer this. And
these are two separate freedom of informationrequests. The reference numbers are at the
top for everybody. I sent thisoff on the twenty eighth of September twenty
eighteen. After nearly two years andsix months, I've not seen or been

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notified of any reply, which youare lawfully required to do. Between twenty
and forty days, military planes wereseen circling on the twenty third and twenty
fourth February twenty sixteen in Clantreston andpen Turk. Why was no no time
issued for these dates? And theMinistry Defense told us they held no information
within so we go again. Wouldyou please tell me why you're plane?

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Z Z four one eight Hawk ofbeachcraft was seen spotted by witnesses flying in
circles and figure eight formations in Panturk, South Wales from the twenty second of
February twenty sixteen to the twenty sixthof February twenty sixteen. This plane was
also identified on public internet flight radarwebsites and this information was withheld under Section

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twenty six. No no time wasever issued for that those aircraft and no
exercise was ever listed. Well onthe MOD website, which is the next

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slide, you'll see these are theofficial exercises that were listed by the Ministry
Defense, and all of these exerciseshave a commencement date because they're planned.
You know. MOOD added an exerciseon the tenth of March to commence on
the fourteenth March, one added onthe fourth and March to commence on the

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seventh of March, but the oneon the twenty fifth of February twenty sixteen
was added and there is no commencementdate. Every single one has a commencement
date because they're planned, and that'son the official MOD website. Another mistake,
there was a no time that wasissued and you'll see it here on

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the left is the map of thenoetime, and there's a red circle right
in the center of the map onthe left, which is the boundary of
that no time, which would bethe yellow circle that you see on the
map on the right. That isthe boundary of the noetime. All air
traffic is supposed to come across theestuary, which is shown on the map

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on the left. No aircraft aresupposed to exceed a no time boundary.
In fact, they're not allowed tofly within three nautical miles of its boundary.
But they exceeded that no time byover fifty miles that night, something
they would never do in an exercise, continuously pushing those objects west. The

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yellow pins on the map on theright hand side are from phone calls and
complaints by members of the public multipletimes, multiple witnesses, multiple complaints.
They went through Talbot and nath andSwansea and Gowerton and all the way out
to see fifty miles outside of thatnotetime, something they would never do.

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But I wanted to find out moreabout this note time, so we spoke
to the National Air Traffic Services andwe asked them, I'm making a request
for information on a note term thatwas listed for exercise chameleon conducted on the
twenty fifth and twenty sixth of Februaryin the area in which this took place

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with South Wales and the UK.Could you please tell me the following what
did this application? Sorry, whattime did this application made for? The
note? Was the application made forthe notetime? Can hardly read this?
Could you please provide a list ofwhat aircraft were involved and were listed at?

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What time was the official no timeget issued for this area? And
could you please provide a map forthe noetime outlining the borders and boundaries for
said exercise. This is a NationalAir Traffic Services and they wrote back to
us and told us that they havebeen unable to find any information regarding this

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specific note time no information. Thisis the National Air Traffic Services. So
the next slide is the Ministry Defense. These were the people that allegedly posted
this note time and we asked themabout it and they said a search for
the information that have been completed withinthe Ministry of Defence and I can confirm
that no information in the scope ofyour request has been found. However,

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under Section sixteen Advice and Assistants,I can advise the mod submits note APMs
for certain military exercises to the CivilAviation Authority at least five days prior to
a military exercise five days So wewrote to the Civil Aviation Authority, which
is the next slide, same questions. What time did this exercise application make

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for the no time to be placedin this area and for that particular exercise,
could you please provide a list ofwhat aircraft and vehicles were listed as
part of that no time used forexercise comeleion on said date. At what
time did the official no time getissued for this area? And could you
please provide a map for the notime outlining the borders and boundaries for said

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exercise. And this is a civilAviation authority. These are people in charge
of your aircraft when you're flying offon your holidays. And your request has
been considered in the line with theprovision of the Freedom of Information Act two
thousand following a review of held information, and it's been determined that the CIA
holds no information within the scope ofyour original quest. Again and again and

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again, so they didn't know,which is interesting, which meant that the
nottime was never planned right. Thisis just an excerpt from one new primary
witness that came forward who's a residentof Penturk. On Friday, the twenty

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sixth of February twenty sixteen, Iwas awoken in the middle of the night
by loud aircraft noise and very brightlights. I looked out at the bedroom
window over towards the fields behind theprimary school in Tiniqoy Woods. I was
concerned that the lights were so brightand the noise so loud. I thought
an aircraft was crushing in the fieldsdue to the low height. I continued
to watch from the window at thebright lights combination of very bright white lights

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and red lights, trying to workout what was happening. When literally the
lights went and the aircraft went,I couldn't decide whether to go it had
gone to ground or flew off.It happened quickly where I was and looked
as if one went to ground.I couldn't make out at the moment the
amount of aircraft that the lights wereblinding, but there were a few.

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By the different engine noises. Istayed still watching, waiting for signs of
a crash to decide whether to goout and help. But I could not
see any smoke or signs of acrash. It was bizarre as we have
very little sleep in our house,but the children did not wake it to
this and slept all night. Itwas the only night since two thousand and

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seven I have not had a childawake. This is something that still stands
out. It's being very odd forme, sorry for us, and it's
still the only night our children didn'twake. What do you think accounts for
that? I think something else wasgoing on that night. I can't say
what exactly, but certainly there wassomething else going on. Yeah. No,

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it is odd because this person hasthree disabled children and they always have
a child awake, whether it's oneor two, but on that night they
slept right through. This person sawthe top of the pyramid from the adjacent
street, above the rooftops of thehouses. But it gives you an indicator

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of how low those planes, thoseaircraft were. In fact, the C
seventeens were flying wing tip to wingtip. They broke minimum heights and minimum
safe separation distances as set out byaviation law. You know this is no
small thing. The helicopters hovering lowover people's homes. People were eyeballing the

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pilots as they looked out of theirbedroom windows. You know, we have
minimum heights for a reason, andthey broke every rule in the book that
night. And the only way they'dbe able to do that and get away
with it is if it's a realcombat situation. That's the only time aviation
law does not apply. Moving onquickly, because I've almost come to the

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end of these slides. This wasa public statement made by the cole Winston
witnesses who took the photographs. Afamily living in cole Winston, a village
in a rural city's setting situated southeastthe bridge End, was awoken just after
two am by their house vibrating.A house felt like it was shaking,

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and the noise never heard anything likeit in my life, very strange noise.
Almost felt like it was a staticfeeling. The dog was barking and
described by witnesses as bonker's behavior,which was not characteristic. Through the window,
the witnesses saw a large object flyover the house roughly west to east,
just over the rooftop. The objectdisplayed a row of orange and red

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lights and its underneath surface had alight green hue. A green yellow light
sorry a green light glow was seenleaving the main group of lights, and
this descended into the fields in anarea southeast of cor Winston. During this
time, the witnesses managed to takeseveral photographs on a mobile phone. About

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six to seven minutes later, severalaircraft were heard flying overhead. Bright lights
were seen, and what were thoughtto be Apache helicopters were heard flying around
which were dark and did not displayany navigation lights. At two thirty three
am, these were heard circling thearea where the green light had gone down
for five to six minutes. Theseaircraft headed off towards northeast, roughly in

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the direction of Plantrysen and Penturk area. Then all went quiet and the witnesses
went back to bed. Following theinstant, the official explanation that this had
been a military exercise persuaded the witnessesthat this had been the case, but
recently, on learning of the instantat Penturk, the witnesses decided the times
and dates of the photos and realizedthat the incident they had experienced was on

(01:58:01):
the same night and therefore must belinked in some way and the next one
from the Ministry of Defense Secretariat.The only higher authority is the King and
I have written to him too.I wish to make a freedom of information

(01:58:24):
request. Please, could you tellme or confirm any information is held within
the Ministry Defense or the Defense InfrastructureOrganition Organization, or any office that would
hold information pertaining to any day ornight military exercises or day or night low
flying exercises for the area of SouthWales for the time of February of twenty

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sixteen. I'm treating your correspondence asa request for information under the Freedom of
Information Act. A search for theinformation has now been completed within the Ministry
Defense and I can confirm that noinformation in the scope of your request is
held. There were no programmed airdefense exercises in South Wales in February twenty

(01:59:08):
sixteen, so what were they doinghere and how did I know it was
not an exercise on the morning ofthe twenty sixth of February twenty sixteen,
and that's the secretariat. And finally, finally the photographs. These are some

(01:59:28):
of the objects that came out atthe Pyramid that night. The metadata is
in middle there two thirty three amon the twenty sixth of February twenty sixteen.
Those look like what you've described these. Those are the barrels, right,

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you're right, right, Oh that'sinteresting. Look at that. That
looks like almost like flying jelly beans. Right. They were quite large.
I mean they were the size ofa smart car, you know, not
a caddy, No, that's fartoo big, but about the size of

(02:00:12):
a smart car. Yeah, thoseare interesting. The was real and all
of these naysayers and alleged eupologists thatare in denial on this case need to
wake up and smile the coffee.Are there ufologists that are in denial,
like well known ufologists, Well,I wouldn't know if they're well known because

(02:00:35):
I'm not one, so I don'treally I can't name names. That would
be unfair. But it's quite clearthis was not a military exercise. That
was the cover story. The secondstory to cover the cover story was that
it was a police counter terrorism exerciseand it wasn't one of those either.

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At the end of the day,this happened, that this was real and
right now, yes, we havewritten to the King of England, King
Charles, because he was here onthat day. He was here with William,
he was here with David Cameron,the Prime Minister at the time.
Coincidentally, all it rif Saint athenruBy seven on the twenty sixth of February

(02:01:27):
twenty sixteen. Wow, that isnot a coincident. Wow. We've had
a whistleblower from right Patterson who saidthat the craft itself was taken there from
South Wales, and we know thatthe Royal plane flew from Aris Saint Anthon
to America that very day. Hmmm, this was real. Yeah, you

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know. I took three polygraph testsand passed with the leading forensic polygraph examiner
in the country who tests the government. They they test the military. Now,
this is not some backstreet oh ourbun, you you know five hundred
pounds give me a certificate. Thiswas the real deal. Because I wanted
people to know I told the truth. And I am not the only witness.

(02:02:16):
You know. We've got Jacob Colemannow has come forward who saw the
green object and stand off with theApache helicopters. We've got another witness now
who will be coming forward publicly forthe first time in the presentation that I
do on the seventh of March.So it's coming up, so I won't
mention his name just yet. Butagain, saw the pyramid from underneath saw

(02:02:41):
it. We have a witness inNorth Wales and his wife at four forty
in the morning saw the pyramid flyover the causeway in Colwyn Bay, arcing
up into space. And I askedhim what were you doing up at four
forty in the morning and he saidthat they've been rushing to hospital with their

(02:03:01):
six month old baby boy and they'vejust been given the clearance to come home
and that's why he was up.And he too has gone public. They
have the men in smile of Woodsthat saw the object on the ground,
felt and heard the explosion. Thewhole mountain shook. He described it as
standing on a vibration plate that thewhole mountain went, you know, for

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about two seconds. We know thatthe police closed the roads there into Smileog
Woods for several days. So howwe got in without being detected is beyond
me, because they must have beenaround the woodlands to make sure nobody could
get in. But we got in. But then we kind of hacked our

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way into the woods if you like, and not we didn't take a road
into Smilog because I knew the trajectoryof the green object. We were looking
for the Debry trail if you like, you know, with all the canopies
of the trees out, and itcame in it never descending height into that
area. We went up on thetwenty sixth, and I didn't follow the

(02:04:11):
debu trail through to its end becauseof me, really, because I was
exhausted only to drink. You know, it's hardgoing, it's not easy.
And so we come back to myhome and we told everybody else what we'd
found, and we've planned them togo up the next morning with cameras and
followed the debut trail through to itsend. And that's what we did.
And the morning of the twenty seventhof my hair turned completely white, completely

(02:04:34):
white. That's crazy. So thatthing is crazy. Yeah, So I
must say that with everything that you'vepresented here, there's really not any doubt
now, right, So what now, Like, I know you're not going
to convince everybody, because there's goingto be people that are going to hold

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out no matter what you present,right, we have a petition at the
moment to follow along the lines whatAmerica are doing for full disclosure on UAPs
and non human intelligences, to tryand stay in line with what Congress are
trying to do so. The petitionis live now and they've wriggled. They

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really tried not to let us havethat, but it is live. We've
also written to King Charles, becauseI know that he was here that day.
I know that he saw it withoutany doubt. And we've used the
Penturk incident as the example to orderthe UK government to instigate a process of
disclosure in this country. And I'mnot going to stop until we get it.

(02:05:43):
That's the bottom line. I'm notstopping. I don't know what everybody
else has been doing. I disrespectguys in this country, euthologists that have
been youthologists for thirty and forty years, other than being self serving, what
are they done to progress this disclosure? What have they done to try and
get disclosure? Nobody else has writtento the King ever I have, and

(02:06:09):
I'm deadly serious about it. We'vebeen to the Home Office, We've been
to the Secretariat of the Ministry Defense. I hould South Wales Police over the
cols and won okay, I hadthem facing criminal charges, how ironic.
And I'm not stopping until somebody getsaccountable or is held accountable for coming out

(02:06:30):
here and threatening me and my kids. That's my bottom line. Yeah,
you know, you're exactly right,because we deal with this all the time,
and we have this debate here onthis show all the time. We
have these talking heads of ufology thatare always putting out these things that are
you know, vague, and itnever points to anything, and we're always

(02:06:57):
kind of there are you know whatI mean? A lot of stories,
a lot of stories, and that'sexactly what they are. Stories. I've
had to evidence and fight and fightmy entire life. I've had to fight,
and they chose to fight the wrongperson. I'm afraid because I'll do
it and I can see evidence.You know. I took on the Ministry

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defense and one I took on SouthWales Police and one. You know,
we I'm not stopping until we geta process of disclosure in this country.
And the Penterg incident, if giventhe right backing, could be the catalyst
to actually get disclosure. So letme ask you are coming forward. We

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go on Reddit all the time,has a big, huge UFO community and
debate and this and that and theother thing, and this, the pencerk
incident never comes up there. Whydo you think that is? Look,
I've been shadow band for eight years. People still find it very difficult to
find me. And it's not thatI'm not there. There are a handful

(02:08:03):
of people that call themselves ufologists,and they have an instant dislike of me.
Whether that be because of the misogynists, I don't know, but certainly
I'm the first to admit that Ihad PTSD at the beginning of this and
didn't know because it was happening tome. And it was only really when
I ripped into that commanding officer thatcame out and tried to move his on

(02:08:26):
that I suddenly realized, after Ihad taken a breath on my goodcast,
that's not you, what's happening,you know, that there was something wrong
with me, that I'd gone fromzero to one hundred, and i'd really,
you know, ripped into this poorman who stood there in shock.
Really, and so I'm the firstto admit that I was probably one of
the hardest people to work with becauseI had that fight or flight mentality.

(02:08:50):
I didn't want to come forward,and I was always coerced to come back
to tell them more, you know, and then to find out that these
people have been trade me and hadput my name online along with the other
witnesses that they knew about. Atthe time, I couldn't trust them,
so I walked away from them,and so I took their story, if

(02:09:13):
you like, with me. Andever since then, even though these people
are sitting on primary evidence for thiscase, they've seen the video that the
witness still holds. When will thatvideo ever be released? I don't know,
because I don't know what they've saidabout me. I think the implication

(02:09:35):
was that I did this for moneyand that, and I haven't made any
money out of this boys, youknow, at all. In fact,
I have a chosen charity. Idon't even collect money, and my chosen
charity is a pcumery. So ifanybody would like to give money, that's
a charity for artistic children. I'veeven taken my website down because there are

(02:09:56):
other nefarious websites out there that areraising money my name when you first came
on our show, When you firstcame on our show, and we were
trying to link to your website,and I had to email you back and
forth and say, I'm finding thisother website where this person is taking PayPal
donations. I don't think this isyou, and you confirmed that's not me.

(02:10:18):
I'm not taking donations directly, butthey had their whole website, you
know, organized in such a fashionthat you would think that was Kaz.
So I've taken my website, Darren, because I don't want to be associated
with that. If people want togive money, give money to charity,
you only got to open your frontdoor and look down the street. Because

(02:10:41):
what for me? You know,as a Christian and I am a Christian,
we were given one commandment to loveeach other, Love each other.
You know, if we extended thathand to help to everybody, there'd be
no starving in the world, insteadof giving money to these big old organizations
that pretend they'll give money to thestarving, and yet the people are still

(02:11:03):
starving, you know, So where'sthe money. I don't know what we've
become. What, you know,I feel a big responsibility. Is a
huge burden, not only for allof us and for you and your kids,
you know, you and your families, for me and my family,

(02:11:24):
but to them because somewhere, somehowwe are connected on a spiritual level.
We are connected. We are partof them and they are part of us.
And I questioned from day one withthese the gods of old you know?
Is that where the pyramid idea camefrom? With these the angels of

(02:11:48):
light? Because there are no descriptionsof them, they're just lights. And
yes, I was communicated with AndI don't know if that was audible,
that David heard it, or ifit was just in my head, but
it was a man's voice, notmy voice. Tell the world what you
witnessed here? A simple message,right, and what do we do?

(02:12:13):
I'm appalled at what happened that night. I'm sickened by what happened that night
because they weren't hostile. If theywere, I wouldn't be here. Yeah,
it's as simple as that. Soyou mentioned that you have a a

(02:12:33):
briefing, if that's the right word, coming up on March seventh. Where
is that? What's the venue?It's in Gueldogarth. Locally it's sold out
unfortunately in five minutes. I don'tcharge normally at all. It was the
owner of the property and he askedme for a ticket price and I said

(02:12:54):
five pounds simple as that make itas low as possible. Because if you
put on a free event, ninetimes out of ten people are aways free.
I'm not going to bother. Youknow, I'm tired today. I
just coming from work. I can'tbe asked that type of attitude. But
as a token payment of just afiver, if they paid it, I

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might as well go. Makes sense, Yeah, I don't. I don't
charge for presentations and I don't dopresentations very often. But I was approached
by this person, this owner askedme if I would do a presentation.
I don't think he had any ideaof how big it is. And tickets
went on sale at ten am andby five past ten they'd sold out.

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So are you like almost like alocal celebrity at this point? I hope
not. Really. People know thatI'm real and I speak from the heart,
and you know, I if there'sa thread of evidence to follow,
I don't care who they are,I will go after them, you know,

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and that includes the Ministry Defense orSouth Wales Police. So now I
sort of vaguely remember from our firstinterview with you that I think it was
either your neighbor or your friend whowas ever with you and you both witnessed
this and he was having like realproblems afterwards with coming to grips with it

(02:14:24):
is. Have you mentioned his nameis that David. I'm sorry, I'm
bad. I'm really bad with Davidis a pseudonym, it's not his real
name. Okay. It still scareshim very much even today. You can
see it in his face when youmention it. He is terrified not of

(02:14:46):
the UFOs but of the Ministry Defense. And I hit that head on and
know exactly what was happening to mewhen they threatened me and has to stay
directly toward me, then maybe Iwouldn't have said anything, but not my

(02:15:07):
children. I'm their protector. Threatsstopped, yes, touch wood, let's
hope they have. That's not tosay that when I go out, I
don't check underneath my car before Iget in it. Mm hmm. You
know. And that's psychological warfare,isn't it. You know. I've had

(02:15:28):
strange people come and knock my frontdoor and then when they see the cameras
disappear mm hmmm. Because I've gotsecurity big time in my house. So
I have to That's how I livenow. I don't want to have to
live like that. That's what theydid to me. You know, I
didn't choose this. They chose me, right ah. And this is real,

(02:15:56):
you know, we're hoping that wemay have video in the in near
future. That would be amazing.Now on the top for me, it
would be undeniable. That would beamazing. So you mentioned that you talked
to Ross Colthart. Yes, wehad him on our show. I think

(02:16:16):
it's two years now when his bookIn Plain Sight was coming out. So
how did your discussion with him go? It was quite curt to begin with,
because the alleged UFO group that hadbeen in contact with me initially had
written to him and said rals don'tbother get and involved this sort of fabrication.
She made it all up. Andthen I contacted him. I didn't

(02:16:39):
know about the email, of course, and I said to Rossell, I
said, do you seriously believe Iwould have contacted one of the best forensic
investigative reporters anywhere in the world ifthis didn't happen, because that would be
suicide, right, And he happenedto agree with me, and so we
sent him of the evidence Gary andI and his attitude was completely different.

(02:17:03):
When I spoke to him next,he was, oh, my god,
I had no idea. There wasso much evidence in this case. And
of course you've only heard me.You've not heard any of the other witnesses
yet, even though some of themhave gone public with me. And I
know that David did give an interview, but it was audio only, and

(02:17:24):
his voice has been disguised to aVet Fielding and that's the only person that
he's given an interview too. Andhe had that fight or flight mentality that
morning, and I said to him, look, you know, I'll be
here with you, and it's justa Q and A. So is there

(02:17:45):
any chance of Ross cold Heart doingan interview with you bringing it out,
whether it's on his podcast or onone of his news passumes. I've asked
him to investigate this case, andhe has been for the last two years.
Okay, all right, Well that'sgood things. That's good from the
United States. And he wanted hewanted some time to make some avenues,

(02:18:09):
shall we say, over there withhis contacts in certain places. And I'm
not sure if if David Grush wasn'ta find of his on the back of
this betrieval teams interesting, yeah,because this is you know, it's a

(02:18:31):
huge case. It's still growing,we're still investigating, we're still waiting for
certain freedom of informations to come backthat they are dragging their hills with as
they always do. I think workedabout three years and no waiting for which
isn't the first time, and thisis why this investigation has taken so long.

(02:18:56):
But it's about being persistent. Andthis is just a frat, just
just the tip of the iceberg ofthe information that we have that I've given
you today, just to sort ofput it into some kind of order very
briefly, but it goes into alot more depth about the conspiracy, you
know, And I always I addressmy audience to say, you know,

(02:19:20):
you are my judge and Jewelry,you're all my peers. Look at the
evidence. You know, if awitness lies, you can accept all or
part of what they say. Butwhich part would you believe? If anything,
If multiple witnesses lie under oath,it is a conspiracy to cover up
the truth. So I let thepeople decide, Well, let me let

(02:19:45):
me finish by saying that. AndI think Bob's with me on this.
We go back and forth. Everyweek. We have somebody on who convinces
us the UFO issue is real.We have somebody else who comes on and
debunks and convinces us as not andso we're constantly going back and forth.
But the evidence that the stuff thatyou provided to us tonight is yeah,

(02:20:07):
different. It's very detailed. It'svery detailed. It's hard to refute.
I don't know how you would,I mean, how can you? I
mean? And even some of theseindividual pieces of information, like just the
path of the of the plane overthe area, just that in itself is

(02:20:28):
like, what possible purpose could thathave? You know what I mean?
For four days and an above topsecret airplane doing that. So there's got
to be something here, And I'mI really look forward to you know,
I'm hoping. I don't know,to be honest with you, how much

(02:20:50):
of us putting this out can forwardit. But every little bit counts,
you know. I'm yeah, I'mnot plugging the book here, but the
first five years of the investigation isnow available on Amazon and if you've got
Prime, it's absolutely free on Kindle, so please get it. It's a

(02:21:11):
little bit more expensive than a padblack and white. It's full color,
it has to be. It's gotimages of the cross site in there that
I've not shown you today, butit's done because it differentiates between what I've
typed and the freedom of informations,our questions and their response. So it's
in different colors, so that thebook makes sense to take you through the

(02:21:33):
first five years of the lies andcontradictions and the number of lies that we've
been told. Because I've only givenyou a fraction today that there is so
much more. I think we're upto about one hundred and fifty freedom of
information requests to different agencies. Youknow, we spoke to all other health

(02:21:54):
authorities, not just the one.Are they ever told about military exercises?
Told? Unless they're involved? Andif they are involved, they would go
to a military base. They wouldn'tdo it at the hospital for obvious reasons.
So why would the Royal Gland betold if they've already admitted that they

(02:22:15):
weren't involved. Yeah, the wholething is a cover up. So I
think the the the Reddit UFO communityis fairly powerful in terms of they are
getting you know, topics related tothis subject brought into light and more and

(02:22:35):
more people talking about it and furtheringit and becoming a big topic of conversation
in the UFO community. We're goingto post this there, this video,
and we're going to suggest that peopletake more uh, you know, view
into it. For lack of abetter word at the moment, absolutely invite

(02:22:56):
everybody to investigate this case. Yes, and they do that. Get to
the bottom of it, investigate it, ask questions, be a nuisance,
Do not accept the lies that you'refirst told, because that's what they try
and do. I know because Iwas there, I saw it. But
I want you to see it.I want you to know because this was

(02:23:18):
real, this happened, and itinvolves us all. It might have been
half a dozen UFOs they shot downthat night, but what implications does that
have for us, for our planet, for our race. You know,
this needs to stop. And ifthey're a threat, we should be told.

(02:23:41):
Correct, that's the bottom line.For better or worse, we should
be told. And that's what thisis all about. For me finding the
truth. Well, my mind isblown. Mine as well, Bob's line
is blown. So Kaz, thankyou so much, Thank you so much
for coming on and giving us thishuge update. Like I said, we're

(02:24:01):
gonna put it out there as bestwe can. I'm gonna put it on
Reddit. I'm gonna hope that itgets more traction over there. People start
to debate it and naysayers and believersalike. The bottom line is the more
people that are talking about it,the more you know, well it becomes
known. So hopefully we can furtherthat along. And you know, let's

(02:24:22):
have you back on when there's athird update. That would be fantastic.
Let's not leave it so long nexttime. Yeah, absolutely, And thank
you for accommodating our schedule. Iknow right over there right now, it's
shoot, what time is it.It'll be in the morning. You need
to get some but I'm on Americantime. I'm good, you know,

(02:24:46):
good, okay, good, Welcome. We we give you honorary American citizenship.
That's correct. We have that powerhere in the hangout. All right,
Thank you so much much. Thankyou. We'll talk to you soon,
see you soon. Ever, ever, ever, ever think that the

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