185: Dream State Alien Contact - Daniel Rekshan - The Basement Hangout

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There's something happening in his dream likeand real, So do you believe in
aliens? There is a definitely areal phenomena happening that is being reported as
abduction. So you're saying the government'sdoing it? No, maybe there's Our

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guest tonight is Daniel Rekshan. Heis a hypnotist, a dream worker,
a PhD student studying ET contact indreams. He is the author of two
books on the subject of NHI,Bob, what is NHI? Non Human
intelligence? Good Job Contact. Hisfirst book, Book of Galactic Light,

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explored Inochian magic as a precedent formissing time hypnosis. His second book,
Missing Time Found, presents Unremembered re M dreams as a precedent for UFO
missing time and dream work as analternative to regression hypnosis. His third book,

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which is upcoming, is on thetopic of anomalous geometric body marks as
physical evidence for ET contact. Veryinteresting, indeed, Daniel, how are
you this evening? I'm good,Thanks for having me, yes, and
we apologize for the technical difficulties.It was all Donnie's fault, our new

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producer. He doesn't know what's goingto blame everything on me. All the
time, correct, damn it,Donnie, And I mean we now have
a scapegoat. Yeah, it's nice. So Daniel, tell us a little
bit about how you got started doingthis, and let's just walk right through
it. Yeah. So I'll say, first and foremost, I consider myself

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to be an experiencer of the phenomena, depending on what that means to you.
But I had extraordinary experiences associated withlike visitation and dreams and other phenomena
that kind of set up a lifelonginterest in psychology and spirituality. I got
educated in psychology, got a certificatein hypnotherapy and around twenty thirteen or so

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and flirted with practice practicing with people, but lived or worked as a web
developer for a while until twenty twenty. And then that COVID made everyone reconsider
their lives and I thought, youknow, well, there's this twenty seventeen
New York Times article is saying there'sUFOs. I've been super interested in missing

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time and using hypnosis to figure thatout, So why don't I do that?
And so I've been doing that eversince. It's really produced the I
have four books now actually, soI'm writing a lot and it just really
fascinated by the subject, and Ican walk through what that means, but

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just wanted to hear you had anyquestions at this point. Well, yeah,
I guess first let's start off withwhat your own experience was. Yeah,
so a lot of the experience.So actually, when I was a
kid, I had really strong dreamphenomena. I thought I was going to
die. I thought demons were takingme. I thought something happened. I

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didn't know what. I was very, very concerned about that. So I
did a lot of research about whatcould be happening, and I came up
with the notion alien abduction that seemedto make sense. There were a couple
very concrete memories I have of visitationthat I consider, hey, this is
as good as any grounds to believeI was subducted, based on the testimony

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I've been reading in like the researchthe abduction researchers. One of those was
an early event where I saw thissort of I guess luminous figure come to
the front door of my house.And as I was watching this figure come
to the front door of my housefrom a second second story window, is
sort of started to take on theform of the Easter Bunny and I know

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that I'm not making up this memorybecause I have a twin brother. I
said, hey, do you rememberme talking about the Easter Bunny? And
he said, yeah, that wassuch a stupid lie. I thought,
perhaps you were telling the truth andI didn't actually see the Easter Bunny.
What I remember happening was this sortof thing. I saw this thing come

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up and it sort of said,you know, if it's agreeable for you
to think of me as an Easterbunny, so be it. And I
believe that actually was the generation ofwhat we typically call screen memories. Have
you guys heard of screen memories?Yes? Absolutely, So for example,
when people experience the grays, maybeit's an owl, yes, yes,

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okay, perfect. So I hadthe memory of experiencing what seems like a
screen memory, so it's like anEaster bunny. I get a lot of
people talking about these strange figures.There's one guy last year who talked about
I guess like Mario Brothers graphics offireballs sort of following him around, and
it just seems so ridiculous. Butthese are actually lived experiences of people who

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experienced the phenomena whatever that means.And so that inspires a lot of people
to research their own experience. Theygo, am I an abductie or not?
Because I have this screen memory experience. I went through that journey.
I also had a missing time episodethat I shared with my twin brother.
We were driving from Minneapolis to Californiaon this road trip and sort of got

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on a highway on ramp. That'sthe last thing we remember from normal reality,
and then coming out of this weirdsituation of consciousness where again it felt
like a screen memory. I hadnot remembered that one missing time event until
I was practicing hypnosis with people andsomeone came into my practice on Zoom.
I had a consultutation and they describedthe scenario of driving outside of a major

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city, experienced this weird thing ofconsciousness, seeing a dog again, sort
of thinking as a screen memory,and having this kind of characteristics of a
weird experience. And they told methis experience, and there were some synchronicities
around their name. I said,oh my god, I had the same

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experience shared with my twin brother.We haven't talked about it in a decade
or two. I'm going to seewhat he has to say about it.
So I called him up right afterwardswhat you remember of driving outside of Minneapolis
and was, oh my god,that was that weird time that and and
basically we thought we were drugged orsomething, but something extraordinary happened with that.

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And I say it's missing time becauseit shares that sort of screen memory
quality as well as equality we callOZ factor. Have you guys heard of
that as well, fat where everythingkind of slows down and it gets kind
of weird. Yes, yes,exactly, okay, and like no one's
there, or like you're in anormal place but it's just something off and

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no one's there and then something happens. Yeah, So that's the OZ factor
type experience. So I had thatplus screen memory, plus this corroborated thing
with my brother, plus the synchronicityaround being a missing time hypnotist and having
a client come talk about that.So I went through my own regression hypnosis
with another qualified hypnotist to figure outwhat that event was. Was that abduction?

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Was that not? And that isin part what inspired some of my
books, The Missing Time found Bookand Gallathog The grays Field Guide to Anomalist
Geometry. So your brother had missingtime too, though in the same trip.
Yes, I mean, we sharethe memory of leaving this kind of
cafe, driving on this on ramp, and then the next thing we know

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is coming to and what is happeningThere was an altered state of consciousness.
He described it. I described it. We described it slightly differently. At
this point, I was researching this, so I interviewed him on zoom and
recorded the thing, sort of askinghim questions like what do you remember,
what happened? What was that likefor you? And then we compared notes
afterward. So were you like onehundred miles down the road or were you

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in the same spot? Oh mygod, we were. So if you
know, it's like there's Minneapolis,and there's like an Enre, there's the
highways, and there's like big citystuff, and then there's the great planes,
right, and then you can keepgoing all the way to Colorado.
We were somewhere like one hundred milesdown the road. It was like a

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several hours drive. It was.It was a significant amount of time to
just blip away. Wow. Yeah. So then through your research and your
study, like, I don't wantto skip to the very end of this,
so actually just walk us through howthis shaped what you've done since then
yeah, these events. I meanI did not have conscious memory of this

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missing time event until I started practicingwith other people. Was that's key to
No, I did not have anymemory of it whatsoever. But now asking
my brother to talk about it,I go, oh, this was a
real event, and the memory sortof came back in a sort of remembering
sort of way. I didn't recoverany actual memory in the regression itself,

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anything more than what I remembered already. It's simply contextualized what happened for me.
So it was sort of disappointing fromthe point of view of like,
oh, my god, I hopeI find out the answer was I abducted?
How did this happen? And basicallyit said there was this thing in
consciousness that sort of took over mymind, tranced me out, and had

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this experience. So people sometimes talkabout that as like etheric abduction or non
physical kind of encounters with these nonhuman intelligences. It was very much not
like a physical abduction scenario that you, guys, I think you're familiar with
David Jacobs and John Mack and stufflike that. So it's very much not
like that in the content, butvery much like that in the discovery process.

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So did he see the dog aswell? He's he saw what he
and so this is the thing thatcaused me to go, something is weird.
He goes it was a dog anda witch, a dog witch.
It was just like, yes,it's right. I mean, so I
don't even know what he saw actually, but he's like it was a dog

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and a witch at the same time. Which makes me think of screen memories
because that's the only other encounter typething I've had is that Easter bunny that
was a thing that was like anon light a density of light or something,
but also looked to me like theEaster bunny in my imagination, that
felt sustained in a way that's notlike normal make the leap. So he

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had I believe something like that withsome entity. This client also had a
dog. That was the thing thatkicked me off. Was this dog that
behaved not like a dog. It'sjust like, what's going on there.
So now, with screen memories,as we sort of alluded to, those
are believed to be when you're somebody'sencountering aliens or whatever aliens happen to be.

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And the theory is that the aliensare projecting something else, so that
when you remember it, you're remembering, for example, an owl and not
being abducted by aliens because for whateverreason they don't want us to know.
But based on what you're saying,I'm getting the sense that that is not
what you necessarily think it is.That's correct. Yeah, So the screen

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memory comes from the notion of liketrauma, repression, and memory. So
I'm going to talk uh from akind of scholarly psychology perspective, and if
I say any jargon or if itdoesn't make sense, to stop me and
be like, what's up with thatword? So the repressed memory idea,
So the idea is that trauma createsa memory that you have to repress into

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your subconscious mind in that there's ascreen that goes over top that repressed memory.
And in the context where this ideacomes from comes from psychology, not
abduction research, and the psychologists kindof say it's like stands in for sex
abuse or something family abuse, orwhat a traumatic event. And so these

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people are bringing in these fantastic elementsto explain away these events that they don't
want to have in their consciousness,that are only in their subconscious. They're
still living back there, they're stillaffecting their life, but their brain has
created these screen memories so that theydon't have to deal with the trauma over

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and over again, like bury it. That's what the argument. That's where
the screen memory idea comes from.And then it was applied to the alien
situation more in the way that you'retalking about, where there's this projection of
the screen where the aliens actually somehowseem to make a choice to project the
appearance of an owl or something likethat. So there's arguments for both ways.

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Some people say it's covering up theontological shock, which is a big
word that John macke used a lot, which is the trauma that involves experiencing
something different, realizing that your worldviewis off. Yep. So, but
you had no signs of like sexualabuse from a trucker or something weird.
No, true, No, No, I haven't actually, and I'll share

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a kind of private memory, andI share this in my book around the
Sex the idea that the mind repressessex abuse type situations as alien ob doctor.
So as a kid, I hadthese like moles on my body.
I still do. You can seesome it's like weird, just weird shaped
moles. So I went to thedoctor a lot, and they would sometimes

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biopsy them, meaning they would cutthem off. And I had one I
don't know, like two inches frommy private parts and they decided it was
a good idea to remove it fora biopsy. It might be cancer.
And so as a six or sevenyear old boy, I remember actually being
in a kind of this doctor situationhaving that surgery done, super embarrassing.

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I was very exposed. It was. It was so horrendous that I go,
this is probably if if anyone's goingto repress a memory as alien abduction,
this is that memory it so soyou repress it. A no,
no I did. I didn't repressit. I remember that. I that

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I still maintain those memories. Soit's it's not like that went away and
I discovered, Oh my god,I all these alien fascinations are just because
of that, because that really wasn'tsexual. That was like, uh,
you know, but I can seehow that would be traumatizing. Yeah yeah,
but not sexual. No, notobviously not sexual. But you're under
knife, you're under the lights,the doctors are doing stuff, and your

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generals are exposed. Yeah. Yeah, I can see how that could be
traumatizing. Now, just not toget off topic, but does your brother
have the same the moles and stuffhe had some he had similar moles situation.
I had more than him. We'reidentical towns, but that's like difference
in our So were you born firstor second? Second? Okay? Strong?
So he Bob is also a twinbrother. Yeah, identical twin as

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well. Yeah so twin power man. Nice. They both they both love
gambling very much and drinking beer andsmoking wings and grilling meat. So that's
some of our qualities. Yes,those are your only qualities. Sorry you
were gonna say, Oh, Imean you were asking what I think about

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I don't know the screen memory thing, and I really do think that perhaps
there's something else going on entirely thanlike projection of these screen memories from aliens
or the repression of trauma. Andthat's really what the book Missing Time Found
is about, where there's this notionthat there's something happening and it's dream like
and real and we don't really needto actually go the extra step to say

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there's something hidden behind there or somelurking alien something like that. So that's
kind of the you asked to cutto the chase, and that's sort of
that's sort of cut into the chase. That's the conclusions I'm coming to.
So do you believe in aliens Ido auctions? I guess that's a really
good question. That's I believe thatthere is a lived experience of abduction,

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and these are conclusions I'm coming tothis week. So I'm so happy to
talk to you guys because you're youtalked to Danny sheehan about some abduction stuff.
I knew you guys are interested init. So I'm sort of coming
to these conclusions. By the way, they're provisional, so if anyone like
doesn't like what I'm saying, theycan just contact me and I'll think about
what they have to say and thenintegrate that into my thinking and writing.

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But at right now, I thinkthere is a definitely a real phenomena happening
that is being reported as abduction,and that the lived experience of abductees is
what they describe more or less directly, but that there is a complex thing
going on that does not or isnot explainable by like alien doctors from a

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different planet coming here in flying saucercraft. To steal bodies, perform medical
experiments and then put them back indifferent ways. So you're saying the government's
doing it. He didn't get itsaliens. Well, but it's something different.
It's something well, I'll just lethim say. From what I'm hearing,

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it is something that is happening thatis on another I'm not a PhD.
So I'm gonna butcher this. Yougo, you go ahead. An
answer? Is this the government?Uh no, maybe no, there's there's
so many together, Okay, sothere. I don't know about that.
It's not it's not a direct governmentexperience. I I don't know if they're

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coming in eight alien re production vehiclesand doing things to people or whatever.
That's what some people are saying.I do want to talk about the literal,
the literature by which we know thesethings. So that's what I do.
And as a scholar, I go, what are the books people have
written about this, and how dothose arguments unfold? And because in this

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field there's so many sort of telephonegames of lore, like you guys mentioned
that, like the lore goes throughthese echo chambers and you get really weird
ideas and stuff like that. Sortof like what's happening with the audio in
the beginning. It's like echo echo, and it's weird. You have to
track it down. So I trackedit down. Does where do our notions

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of abduction really come from? AndI say, I have this argument that
it comes from a work of I'marguing at pseudoscience right now. But from
nineteen ninety two, Bud Hopkins,David Jacobs, and a sociologist named Ron
Westrom got together to write an articlecalled the UFO Abduction Syndrome. John Mack

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introduced it, and Robert Bigelow sentit to one hundred thousand mental health practitioners
and then use that document as thebasis to engage more conferences and workshops with
mental health practitioners from about nineteen ninetytwo to maybe nineteen ninety four to explain
that there is a real phenomena ofalien abduction exactly like we were talking about

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doctors from Zeta reticulized stealing people's bodies. And the reason why they say that
that was proof or true or somethinglike that was a survey that they conducted.
They asked six thousand people using asurvey like a public opinion poll center
questions. They asked them about elevenquestions, and they said, if they

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answer yes to some of these,then they have the UFO abduction syndrome.
Some things like that are do youhave marks on the body? What about
missing time? Have you dreamed ofa UFO? Have you seen a UFO?
What about a strange figure in yourroom? So they received the answer
back to this poll and they go, oh my god, to two percent

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of people appear to be abductee's threepoint seven million Americans and they just went
to town with a publicity around them. So David Jacobs put this in one
of his books as a matter offact, almost upfront, as evidence that
it's a real phenomenon. I rememberthis part of the book. I don't
remember which one of his books,if it was The Threat or one of

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the other ones, but yeah,I know exactly what you're talking about.
It's like the UFO abduction syndrome.That's the phrase they use the booklet was
unusual personal experiences. And so thereason why I bring that up is because
this poll really does indicate, ohmy god, there's like one in twelve
people have mysterious body marks, onein eight people have missing time, one

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in five people or something crazy likethat have seen figures in their room.
So there's something actually really going onthat we don't understand from the perspective of
any other scientific discipline. And theycame to the conclusion this UFO abduction.
I think that's a great conclusion fromwhere they were at. But there's other
ideas that can start explaining that phenomenon, and I think it's actually a special

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type of dream type interaction, maybesome special state of altered state of consciousness,
where there's a real interaction with realentities that have real physical effects,
but they're not they're like dealing withPoltergeist sort of effect, not necessarily a
physical body in that way. Sofrom a layman's point of view and just
the lore and everything, you know, there's the physical aliens that are flying

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here from another you know, universeor whatever, another solar system, and
then there's the whole interdimensional question.This sounds more towards the whole interdimensional which
is very simplistic way of putting it, but you're you're talking more about that
kind of a thing where you're interactingwith entities that perhaps are on another plane

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and you're doing it through a dreamstate, but they're here but they're here.
It sounds extraordinary when we say interdimensionaland they're here, yes, because
it starts to sound really like,oh my god, what's happening? And
that's when I start to talk aboutdream shamanism. And I'm not sure where
you guys are with dreams. Whatdo you guys think about your like dreams?

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What do you seem pretty real?To me? Sometimes I wake up
upset, sometimes are happy or andthen sometimes I don't remember shit. I
don't remember many of my dreams,but the ones I do, uh well,
I mean, they just they feelreal until I wake up and then
I dismissed them immediately. But I'vebeen upset for like a whole day because
something happened in my dream, orbeen happy the whole day, even though

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I know that never happens to me. That's happened to my wife. My
wife will wake up piste off ofme because it's something I did in one
of her dreams, which I wouldnever I would never pardon the pun,
use I would never dream of doingthat in real life, you know what
I mean? Apparently? Yes?And how about the notion like that dreams
can convey meaning or like have youheard of precognitive dreams, like they tell

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the future, or do you thinkthat's woo woo? Do you think that's
possible. I think it's possible,you know, I believe at this point,
I don't know any answers, soI think anything's possible. I've never
seen it happen. Yeah, personally, so you never dreamed up like your
kid before they were born or no, as a non drinker, I believe

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he's seeking a sip as he saysthat. Okay, And then what were
you guys trained to believe by likeyour parents are school or something like?
Like, what do you think thecommon view is of dreams that they're fake?
Well, the dreams are your subconscioustelling you stuff that you might be
worried about or interested in or excitedabout. But it's the subconscious coming through

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which doesn't make any of even real. That's that's my sort of common wisdom.
But when you're a kid, youhave an like I would had bunk
beds with my twin brother, andI always thought there was like some other
realm if I crawled down this sideof the bunk bed where there's a ladder,
and I would always be like nightmaresof like entities or like fucking demonic

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shit there, but I was onthe top bunks. It was like protecting
me. So my parents would belike, it's not real. Don't worry,
it's not real. Got it,Got it? So you you might
be classified as having an indicator ofthe UFO abduction syndrome based on the report.
And both of you express a reallygood kind of understanding that John Mack

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had. So you know how DannyShean and your podcast talked a lot about
John Mack and how John Mack wasa really great psychologist and knew about a
lot of dreams. So he reallydid share the opinion that it was like
Freudian type thing where these dreams areunreal or from the subconscious. As you're
a child, you're merged with thisbeautiful, magical realm of dreams, like

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you talked about. You're Bob,right, the Bob the twin Yes,
okay, so Bob, and Iknow your name Chad, Bob and Chad.
So so there's this magical way ofbeing as a child, he John
Mack described, and then as yougrow older, you start to become disenchanted
with that and you start to realizethat dreams are just existing in your head

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and that's it, and that atherapist might well ask you about your dreams
and about your like secret sex lifeor whatever. That's sort of what John
mac understood. So that the reasonwhy I'm talking about this is because I
say that there are real beings orreal dream characters that can have real interactions

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through dreams, that have real impactin ways that are extremely complex and hard
to describe from an objective scientific pointof view. But when we look to
other cultures about how they talk aboutdreams, and specifically to the phrase like
dream shamanism, we see that likeall these other cultures around the world,

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including our own culture up until aboutmodern times, thought that there were real
beings that could talk to you throughreal dreams, and that they most of
the time they go, Okay,there's little dreams that are just sort of
like the wish fulfillment thing, likethe subconscious thing, and there's big dreams
where these real entities can communicate realthings with you, and there's all sorts

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of wild experiences associated with that.But that's the kind of context I'm looking
at to say, Okay, there'ssomething interdimensional here, Like the interdimensional hypothesis
sounds really great. I really likethat, except the language makes it feel
science fiction. So that's why I'mtalking about it in the context of dreams,
to connect us with this greater kindof tradition that we have as humans

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of using our dreams to have thesereal interactions. So could you analyze Donnie's
childhood dreams? Donnie, can youtell us an experience you had as a
child. Well, there is acouple of times where I had like one
of the dreams where it generally happensthe same time every year six Yeah,

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it's and then it would do thatfor you know, a couple of years
straight, and then eventually it'd gofrom like one year to like two years,
three years. So what's the dreamgoing? What is the dream?
It's I don't know. It's fromwhat I can remember, because I never
write this stuff down. I probablyshould, because it's hard to remember that
stuff sometimes. But it's generally likethis, uh, dark tall figures like

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chasing me, like through these weirdenvironments and trying to you know, catch
me and get a hold of meand somehow, and then at some point
it just wakes up and I'm sweating, all hot and all bothered and most
like id and and that's where it'syou at the same time of year for
multiple years, but when you wakeup your all hot and bothered and sweat.

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When I started saying, I started, I apologized, I had dreams
are real to you, like lastnight, you could never be a regression
therapist. It is funny, butdamn So do you have any thoughts on
that, Like, is that acommon thing? You got a cyclical time
of year? Yeah, I hearthat sometimes the recurrent dreams, the figure,

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the figure and being chased, that'sa very that's like a typical dream
experience. To analyze it, I'llsay, like, we don't. I
don't believe in that sort of psychoand analysis way for my own practice.
I know it's valuable for people intherapy, but we all sort of you
and what you guys did in termsof asking those questions and being curious and

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laughing, that is actually dream shamanismin my books. So you did just
great. You're having a conversation,you're asking questions, you're developing a sense
of empathy. Right, you werelike laughing, but then you corrected yourself,
so that, Yeah, that's justhow it goes, and we we
sort of have to figure out howto talk about these things because we were

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educated in about dreams to think they'relike fantasies or unreal. But when we
start to talk to people about that, we get insights around these things.
I would ask, I mean,and this is probably not the time and
place to do it, but cyclicalnature about the time and the life.
It's particularly the feelings that arise inthe dream, any memories that come up.

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And then generally what I do isI have conversations with people to amplify
or elucidate some of the themes inthe dreams. I'm not finding meaning.
I don't have a kind of dictionarywhere I go, oh, it's a
shadow figure that means you're a whatever. I'm just asking questions, and if
I do my work really well,I'm not adding something to the table.
I'm just helping you look at itin a different way. So what would

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you ask Donnie about the shadow figure, like how did you feel like?
What did it look like? OrThe first thing I would ask is around
recurrent events in the life. Becauseof the cyclic nature of the dream,
it happens at the same time everyyear. That's where I would personally,
I would look into and then Iwould ask around the this shadow figure if

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there's any other similar experiences there.I mean, there's a physiological response there.
So it'd also start to consider thingslike exotic dream phenomena like sleep paralysis
like phenomena, or there's visitation likephenomena like go show up for people sometimes,
or these I mean you've likely heardof the incubis succubist type situations.

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So yeah, South Park had.So Donnie, what time of year did
these occur? Like Christmas? Areyou cold? Are you cold? Christmas?
I think if I remember correctly,it's well somewhere in the summertime,
well, like end of summer.They can make a name fall. Oh
yeah, not Christmas. Okay,but it's hot outside and you just wake

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up, you know, more sweaty, more hot, right, I hate
even wearing. So when people cometo you to do these, uh,
what do you call it? Dreamtherapy or dream regression or what's your name
for it? Yeah, typically peoplecall it regression hypnosis. I'm moving away
from the notion of hypnosis to shamanicdream work. That's the phrase I'm using

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right now, dream demonic dream work. So when you do when you do
dream work, are you are youdoing hypnosis or are you just talking to
somebody who is in their normal frameof mind and asking them about their dreams.
I do. I use the hypnosistechniques, so it's very similar to
I mean, I was trained inhypnosis, so I'm using hypnotic techniques.

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That needs a little clarification, right, Like what is hypnosis? What is
my hypnosis? That's a really bigquestion. I know you guys talked to
Danny Shean. I he kicked meoff when I when I did my research
about you and I saw that podcastand he made some claims about hypnosis,
where I was like, what isgoing on actually with these claims? So

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I was even curious, what whatdo you guys know of hypnosis and what
do you understand about how John Mackperformed it and how Danny Shehan's representing it.
Uh So, what I know isfrom reading David Jacob's books and his

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claims of how they supposedly took alot of pain to make sure that they
weren't introducing ideas and that if theywere, if they had a subject who
seemed to be reacting to the conversation, they would discount and they tried to
make it sound like what they weredoing was sound. But this is all

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based on what he wrote in thatbook, and so I'm on the fence.
You know. That's about all Iknow. I do know that,
for example, I've always felt likeI'm not susceptible to hypnosis, not that
anybody's ever tried. My wife andthis is real, you know, rudimentary,

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this is Layman's speak here. Butmy wife and I went to a
show which was a hypnotist quote unquote, and he brought a bunch of people
on stage. He asked for volunteers, and my wife volunteered, and I
was like, really, and therewere like twelve people on stage, and

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he said, if you don't feellike you're going to be open to this,
you should leave. And my wife'skind of sitting there like, I
don't think I'm open to it,but I'm going to stay in anyway,
And he proceeded to get pretty mucheveryone on stage except for five people to
do weird things like act like achicken, you know, the classic thing,

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or say things that they wouldn't sayand do weird things, and then
he would snap his fingers and they'dwake up and be like, what happened?
I don't know what happened. Mywife wasn't susceptible to any of that,
so she had to leave the stage. That's the extent of my knowledge,
which is saying not very much.That was like a show, you

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know what I mean? Can youdo that? No? No, I
can't. I can't do that.The stage hypnotism is a very special type
of hypnotism. I talk a lotabout stage hypnotism versus the sort of hypnosis
that I offer. But No,I sometimes wonder how they do that.

(35:53):
Yeah, I never I've never hadan issue with hypnotics suggestibility because I take
time to I take about it's likea forty five minute to an hour and
a half consultation. I have aconversation with someone, so they really know
what's going on. Oftentimes we'll spendthirty minutes or so just going through relaxation
exercises and exploration before we go deeperinto the trance. So people are really

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comfortable with it, and it's ait's a natural state. It's not necessarily
like someone's doing something to you.And that's the reason why I wrote the
book Book of Galactic Light and talkedabout doctor John Dee because in modern view,
we have, like you've heard ofthe term mesmerism, right, like

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an animal magnetism, I imagine.So in the seventeen hundreds there's a French
guy named Franz Mesmer or something likethat, and people say he was the
inventor of hypnosis. And it's basicallythe idea that one hypnotist has a sort
of sorcery, kind of charismatic poweror over another person, and that their

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power of suggestion gets people to dothings that they normally would do, and
some of those things are magical,like heal or know things that they've repressed,
or even know things about past lives. And so when hypnosis really entered
the field of studying abduction, nobodyreally understood what it was, and everyone

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was thinking of it in terms ofthe Mesmer type hypnotism. But in my
research, I go, actually,doctor John Dee from the sixteen hundreds or
fifteen hundreds was really practicing something likehypnotism that we would see in Dolores Cannon's
work. I'm not sure if you'refamiliar with her work. The name sounds

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familiar, but I can't place myfinger on it. Yeah, so she's
a great person to turn to ifyou're interested in hypnotism outside of this context
of David Jacob's, Hopkins and Max. So those three were like a kind
of group, and then there's otherpeople. She was another person that worked
in the field, and I lookat her work as it was really interesting.

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Actually, so yeah, so I'msorry to conflate what you do with
a hypnotist on stage. No,but that's what people think of, because
that's what I thought of. Yeah, well, hypnosis hypnotism two different words.
But yeah, so how much wouldit cost me to have you sit
in the chair and Chad's room whilehe sleeps and analyzes dreams. There's a

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figure in the room sitting in thechair I have paying for That is your
birthday gift. All my work,honestly, is offered by a donation.
After the fact. I let everyoneknow the market rates of my sessions,
but it's a right in form afterwards. So I do this session, I
send you the recording. If youdon't like it, you don't pay.

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If you like it a lot,and you can pay more. So what
are people trying to do when theycome to you, like? What is
their goal? Most of the time, it is to figure out a missing
time event? Or to understand somethingthe kind of they basically understand they've had.
They usually have a UFO encounter intheir life. They usually have some

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psychic stuff happening. They usually haveweird dream visitations, ghosts, or whatever,
and then they have a period oftime where they don't have conscious memory
of it, or they say somethingweird happened. So there they go,
this was a screen memory or thiswas an as factor thing. I need
help understanding it. And so oftentimespeople say I need help remembering or recovering

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that memory. I argue against thenotion that hypnosis can recover memory. I
don't argue against that completely. Isay hypnosis brings you into a dream like
state of consciousness, and that dreamlike state can help you get insight about
your memories or something like that.Sometimes it can even bring up memories,

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but typically it's just a dream likescenario. You you ever had anybody come
to Catharsis through this experience and describeto you what it was that they were
missing? Yeah, nearly every time, Yeah they really. Yeah. It's
so this is why I wrote thebook, is because I mean, I've

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had dozens of people. It's thereis more prevalent than I ever imagined.
It's more prevalent than I ever imagined. And the resolution, though is not
what we have been led to believeby Hopkins, Jacob and mac right.
So we have this notion of aliendoctors doing doing things, but I actually

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think there's something else happening that isless definable. That's that's kind of my
idea. And they're oftentimes involved beings. They oftentimes involve craft, oftentimes involve
fantastic tales of prophecies of destruction,like like if you do this, we'll
give you free energy tech and you'llsave the world by the twenty twenty seven,

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right, like that kind of thing. So I've heard that enough and
I've seen enough just depictions of littlegrays that have eyes like this or eyes
like that, to know that thereeither are. If there's seven billion people
on the planet, there's seven differentseven billion different types of little grays,
basically, is my understand But catharsisis a strong word. So can you

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give us an example of somebody who'sexperienced that and what it was. Yeah,
So I'll talk about my very firstcase, Dan Berg. He because
he's so he's a public experiencer.I'm not sure, are you guys familiar
with CE five. Yes, that'swhere you call down UFOs your meditation.
Yes. So this guy, he'sin Canada, and I think you like

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him. He he did a CEfive. He watched all the Greers videos.
He did a C five. Nothinghappened to him during that time,
except that the next day there's thisreport about anomala ice circles in the lake
or on a lake or whatever.So he manages a FOD dealership and the

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guys at work were like, yougot to tell him you did see five.
This is so rare. You haveto let the reporter know because he's
asking for more information. So myfriend dan Berg says, yeah, okay.
He reports back to the reporter andhe gets written up in the local
newspaper he did see five and there'sice circles. From there. A man
named Rob Freeman who has a channel. He's called the UFO World Explorer,

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and he travels around the world withlike two hundred thousand dollars of like camera
equipment. He's it does see fiveall, that's what he does. He
takes Stan to be a cameraman onhis camera crew and they go down to
the Autacama desert and they have aCE five event with Ricardo Gonzalez who's written

(42:52):
books about this and is famous inLatin America about this, and Paula Harris,
who is the secretary of Jacques Valletand has written books on this.
They're all down there doing CE fiveand stuff like that. They know that
UFO is going to come because it'sbeen predicted through telepathy and automatic writing,
and they know they started to receivethe message that the normal contact us are

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not going to have an encounter withthe being, but someone else is and
it turns out to be my friendand first client, Dan Berg. And
he's filmed on multiple cameras, likeleaving his station. He's like, I'm
called out to the I'm called tothe desert. He's starting to see different
things and he goes away for aboutforty five minutes where nobody can find him.

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At the same time, they're filminglike lights in the sky doing things,
and then he comes back like fortyfive minutes later and is shown come
out onto the video. It's justlike entrance. There's something. You can
see this on his YouTube channel andyou can see Paul Harris going where's stand,
Where's stand? And so there waslike a very real, authentic thing

(44:00):
happening here. He describes what happenedto him at the time. He describes
after the fact, there's interpretations frommultiple people around that. And he and
I worked together from multiple sessions togain insight into this experience, and we
ended up having a regression scenario thatwas very typical of alien abduction stuff like

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he saw like big eyed creatures anda technocraft or whatever. And he had
specifically asked me to not remember.He goes, can you make me not
remember remembering this? It's so weird? But I said, you know what,
I'd never do that for anyone else, but since we're now friends,
I'll try that out. And Ididn't think it could work because I didn't

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believe in my capacity as like someoneto do suggestive hypnosciety. I was like,
Okay, I can just lead peopleinto trance. That's fine. He
didn't remember the experience, but hehad this really kind of reduction of anxiety,
let's say, because from that momenthe kept going what happened, what

(45:05):
happened, what happened, And it'slike a wound in your mouth, you
keep kind of tonguing or whatever,and you keep exacerbating this wound or a
scabby, you keep picking. Andthat's what he kept doing. And then
from those encounters he just stopped.It didn't matter to him in this and
he had found peace around that.I for years I thought like, if

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these are definitely aliens that took hisbody, That's what I thought. And
I even told him that. He'slike no, no, no, something
else happened. And that was whyI wrote Missing Time Found, because he
refused to accept my suggestions as ahypnotist that he saw aliens right like.
He refused to do that. Manyof the other hypnotists have worked with people

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who just accepted their interpretation, likethose who worked with mac Hopkins and Jacobs.
Their subjects were like, sure,that makes sense, aliens are abducting
me. This guy was just like, no, I even though I said
that, I'm not going to believeit, even though he promised me he
would watch the tape and believe it. So I share that just because I
think that's the truest, the truestmoment of contact I've encountered in five years

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of like kind of looking into thisand it was your first case. Yeah,
So I was like, what amI going to do with my life.
I said a prayer to be ofservice to others. I heard in
my head Google ce five, Rebelstokefollow us. There he was. We
had this weird interaction where he's like, I knew a hypnotist would come into
my life, I just didn't knowhow to find him, and here you
are, and I was like,oh, I was guided here too.

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Yeah. So so that was anoccasion where the to use this fancy word
again, catharsis, was him ableto get over the anxiety about what was
it? What was it? Whatwas it? But what about somebody who
just knows that they're missing time orhad some experience, but they don't consciously

(46:57):
remember what it was. Were youable to bring them into sort of the
light, like here's what happened,or that they came to that themselves through
the therapy. Yes. The nextpublic case that I worked on was Sandy
Sandy Newman. I have she Shepublished my whole regression with her on YouTube,

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so you can watch that. It'son Robert Earl White's channel and she
has going for a potty break,I'm not offended. So she basically she
had these symptoms of hybridization. Andabduction and stuff like that, and she
had missing time and she wanted insightsabout what happened the entities involved, and

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that was very kind of standard grayaliens coming to take genetic materials. She
got to an understanding around how thatwas possible in terms of her own understanding
of consent. So oftentimes people say, if you say no to these beings,
they won't continue on. So shecame to an understanding around that.
She came to an understanding that shehad ongoing interactions with these beings, and

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then she also came to an understandingthat she had more the more contact with
these entities than just the negative abduction, and is kind of found herself to
be empowered to they know to thebad ones and yes to the good ones,
and that that felt really good tome. So, but when you

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say entities who were possibly doing physicalthings to her, I mean, was
it actually physical in nature? Sothis is some of the biggest question I
have in my mind right now,because I'm putting forward the hypothesis that these
things are completely dreamlike. And yetthere's the her example, right she had

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medical documentation that she appeared to bepregnant for mysterious reasons and that it seemed
related to these events. And I'vehad multiple clients tell me these things.
And I've also like looked into thebody mark phenomena, right, which has
been typically used to say of physicalevidence for physical abduction experiences. I say,

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you know, looking into exotic dreamphenomena, right, Like, we
don't understand what is capable in dreams. So there are some kind of rumors
in dream literature that dreams can markthe body, that they can involve teleportation
of objects from dreams to waking.So I say, it's both dreamlike and

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there are these physical anomalies or physicalthings that really need to be accounted for,
like the body marks, like theseweird medical things like the genetic harvest
symptoms that I say can be explainedperhaps through other models than physical alien abduction,
but still may involve distinct entities doingthings to you in a your way.

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It just happens in this really complexway. Yeah, my turn for
a potty break. So what doyou think about astra projection? Oh?
Yeah, I mean I think astraprojections really interesting. I think it's tied
up with this phenomenon a lot.I think that reveals to us in part

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what dream Shamanic cultures really believe in, that these dreams are journeys of the
soul. So like I see astraprojection as a sort of strong crystallization or
kind of strong example of shamanic dreaming. But are you a dream shaman?
Do you call yourself that? Isay, everyone's a dream shaman? I

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think, I say it's universally,yes, that's the case. See,
Donnie, we are dream shaman.I told you it is a good title.
So did you use hip? Sodo you have a significant other at
all? I do? Yeah.So did you use hypnotism or whatever you
said, hypnosis at any time inthe relationship to gain that person? And

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no, No, the hypnotism forme is really just a way to invite
people into trance, relaxation and expansion. She did invite me to put her
into trance to do trans channeling,right, Like, so, like you
see, have you heard in theUFO field that some sometimes people channel UFO
entities or alien yes or stuff.So she was like, do that do

(51:29):
that? You're allowed to do thatwith me? And I'm like, oh
my god, that's amazing. Sowe had a dozen or so sessions where
she went into trance and connected withentities. Let's say, who gave us
information and including the name, gender, and birthday and time of my son

(51:50):
everything except for the time it waswithin twelve hours. Wow, that's pretty
good though. Yeah, I knowthat's what I mean. But she basically,
I think I have to credit alot of my work to her session
sessions. Because the entity that camein just sort of was like, alien
abduction is kind of a concept thatis on top of or screen memory of

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a deeper experience, and his entityexplained how that worked and went into all
sorts of different So I walked inon the tail end, but alien abduction
as a screen memo of this,and basically he put his significant other,
but of something that's not an alienabduction. Yeah, but something that's not
like sexual abuse, her abuse ofothers, something else that's you know,

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etheric or whatever. So you're lateto the party. The question was super
interesting. Did he ever use Isaid hypnotism or you said hypnosis? Sypantism
is different, right, Apparently youpointed that out, but I didn't know
that. I don't know, SoI said, did you use that to
gain your sniffing the other? Likeif you're trying to date someone and you're
like, if you could any angleyou have because you know that's your person.

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Did he use it? He saidno, but she's let him do
like you can explain it because nowhe's like it over again, just really
quick. But it's very interesting.So I put her into chrance to have
communications with entities. We sort ofwere like, okay, let's do an
et channeling. And the entity communicatedthe name, gender, and birthdate and

(53:24):
time of my son within twelve hoursaccuracy, so legit. And when you
say any but when you say entitycould be not alien. It could be
like your grandma, And we don'tknow what it is, right, I
don't know because if this person's tellingyou time and days, they may have
told him yes. I mean Iasked those questions. I was like,

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what's going on? Uh? Itbasically explained itself as a representative of unity
consciousness, and it could take theform of a ball of light, a
manted like a tall manted a grayyeah, but that it's if I I

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end kept going like, well,what are you physically? You got to
tell me what you are physically,and it kept laughing at me. And
it's just not physical because it's notphysical, but it's like, okay,
if you need to know, I'ma plasma vortex from the edge of the
galaxy who came to this solar system. I'm now in between the astra and
the asteroid belt, and I reallylike the it sort of consumes various space

(54:32):
dust as it's sustenance or something likethat. Yeah, that's what it said,
So I need to get back tothat to be honest. And this
was your this was your wife tellingyou this in trance or your girlfriend or
yeah. So when they when thenthey told you this is the day,

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whenever whatever? Did you believe that. You were like, holy crap,
they're going to on the date whenit was like approaching and she's getting like,
you know, I don't know ifit's c section, but well yeah,
we uh we we didn't know whenwe conceived and we had a natural
home birth. So we got tothe point where it was like, this
is the date, this is thetime, and we actually had this whole

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question now. Yeah, we gotto then and it was like, oh,
he was wrong, the entity waswrong. It's not we're past the
time. And that was meaningful forall of us in that engagement. And
then it happened twelve hours later,so maybe there are times hours different different
times. Yeah, they're well,we're like army time twelve is twenty four

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twenty four, you know, Sodid you go back to have her do
it again to find like more stuffout about your life? Like when am
I getting the promotion? Or ismy book gonna sell well? Or sometimes
she so sometimes she enters into atranstate and kind of gives me wisdom from
that state and then maybe fake toobecause it's your wife now, right,

(56:02):
I said, clean the shed,her honeyst is communicated. No, but
so when when you say she goesinto one of those trance states, is
it from you putting her in itor she just does it on her own?
Now she would do it more orless on her own for that information.
And then I said, you know, no, I can't handle that.

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I need to have a ritual aroundit. So I need to know
we need to go through through somesteps to go like this is the trance.
I'll take it as trance and Ican't write. That's very smart,
man, that's super interesting. Soif I want to put my wife in
a trance and I'm not a hypnosthypnos hypnotist. But if I wanted to

(56:43):
do it, like can you giveme the first three steps? Like not
that I'm gonna try, because I'mnot, but oh, you just invite
a mindful presence, so that's payattention to your breath, invite a sense
of relaxation, and then you shouldgo through the experience a few times.
And you can do that through anynumber of like self hypnosis tapes or guided
meditations. Hypnosis, as I'm talkingabout, isn't a special skill, like

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I'm saying anyone's dreams shaman. Giveit a shot. I mean, honestly,
like, give it a shot apractice. So I'd say practice mindfulness,
like do meditation, like two minutesa day, so breath meditation,
and then go through a couple guidedmeditations or self hypnosis tapes yourself, and
then you can invite someone into anexperience like that. And because everyone's natural

(57:31):
at this, like you ask questionsof Donnie about his dream experience, like
you'd be curious about your wife's experiences. It's easier than you would expect,
although there's some ideas. You haveto get out of the way in order
to have that access. That's whya guide would be better. You know,
yeah, I would think so inayahuasca possibly. Have you ever dealt

(57:54):
in that realm like taking drugs toyou know, do what your accomplishment?
Have you ever won in ayahuasca oryour patients? I have. I have
taken ayahuasca. I've taken a numberof psychedelics I've I've explored those realms thoroughly.
In my graduate program, there wasa lot of the early psychedelic researchers

(58:16):
kind of kind of working there.That's California Institute of INUGURL Studies. I
did not do psychedelics in that contextbecause that was illegal, but I did
it in legal situations or whatever.So did you see gnomes or anything?
Like? I had some interactions withentities, but it was sort of disappointing

(58:37):
to me, to be honest,sort of like my path my missing time
regression, whereas like no new memoriescame up. The psychedelics sort of opened
up a space of consciousness for me, but I didn't have what a lot
of people describe. But did yousee a gnome specifically or multiple gnomes?
No? No, That's what I'vealways heard nonomes strange. How do you

(58:59):
do how do you do psychedelics ina legal environment. A lot of the
psychedelics I've done were legally available.There's in California. You know, they're
kind of he's in Canada now,but California was a little crazy right back
in the day or now. Imean, how are you like twenty four,
I'm thirty nine, I'm turning.What do you put on this?

(59:22):
Amazing? I need regression therapy,damn. And so the legal situation,
I mean, like back when Iwas doing this stuff, you could like
order chemicals off the internet. Iwent to Michigan Tech and like there are
chemist kids there. That was justorder stuff off the internet. But like
silk Road or like really legal.Oh I don't know it was. It

(59:43):
was I'm not asking that question atthis way. I know I got order
plants off the internet. I wasmore interested in the plants stuff, so
I know I could order traditionally usedentheogens or whatever from the internet. Legal
situation like Salvia dividorum was legal,and that's a super potent psychedelic. I've
never even heard of that. It'slike, uh, it's like, yeah,

(01:00:05):
you you probably have. Oh no, I haven't you smoked it?
The other night? Unbeknownst to me. So I think people say something you
even smoke. I think they saySylvia, like you know, near the
bum encampments where he purchased it.Is that Sylvia is like the it's like
a leafy. Yeah, it's aleaf. Traditionally it was chewed or smoked,

(01:00:27):
and then now nowadays they like extractit and make it concentrated and then
you smoke it. It's basically likeimagine LSD, except like as potent as
like metrosoxxide or whatever. It's justlike bam, you're gone. Yeah,
Like, dude, I think thethere's a guy sorry mentioned Joe Rogan because

(01:00:50):
I know he's like, you know, he's what. I don't know,
But anyway, I think they smokedSylvia and the dude claimed he was in
like three our two or three yearrelationship. We had a wife, like
in the in the ocean underwater,and he came back like fifteen minutes later.
It was all confused, damn.So he had a whole nother.
He had a whole life, likeliving a whole life for this all this

(01:01:13):
time, but in our time,fifteen minutes only passed and he came back
like it's the one dude. He'sbeen kind of outcasted. I can't remember
his name, but he's kind ofolder. He did like a lot of
ayahuasca. He has a beer,skinny guy. So what do you think

(01:01:34):
the entities are? So? Whatdo you think the entities are? I

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think so right now I am lookingto the earth lights hypothesis by Paul Devereaux.
This is kind of like the literaryargument where I go Aleen abduction not
so much. Even in the nineteeneighties they were talking about earth lights and
so I believe that. So okay. The first thing I need to say
in response to this question is thereare many types of entities and many types

(01:02:32):
of interactions. The phenomena is justis not one thing, and you can
choose to be interested in any number, any number of the aspects of the
phenomena you want. So, Isee there's a UFO and Bigfoot on your
wall, right, It's like,what is bigfoot? I don't actually know.
I'm not particularly interested in that.I love actually hearing bigfoot tales,

(01:02:53):
to be honest, and I'd loveto be a big foot researcher some day,
But right now I'm interested in avery specific type of phenomena, which
is an interaction in dreams that hasbeen commonly identified as alien abduction that is
associated with the manifestation of light phenomena. So it's there's a manifestation of light.

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People physically see lights following them,like the you know, the food
fighters. Yes, so that that'sthe idea, and there's I say,
phoenix lights are kind of like that. I'm not even sure if they are
physically real or if they're just amythology that we go, oh, these

(01:03:36):
lights, they're lights, They're wonderful, and we associate these entity visitations with
them. I'm not sure, butI think there is if I were to
guess right now, we are coexistingwith an indigenous life form that is light
based. So people are talking aboutplasma now, so it's like plasma life.
It's consistent with what the guy mywife channel told me. It's just

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he says, I'm a plasma vortexthat can manifest as a basically a very
very skilled dream shaman. So Iimagine that there they have all the capabilities
of dream shaman, are very veryvery good at it. But he said
he was He said he was amale and had penis. No, he
said he was a vortex of likeplasma that picked up like cosmic dust.

(01:04:23):
That can be But you said he, so was it a male or he
just identified or I uh, Iidentified it as a male frequency, and
I added the language, and Iadded the name. We call him Prometheus
in Oh, that's a good name. Yeah, one of my favorite movies.
Yeah, that's a good movie.Yeah. Now, but that's a

(01:04:43):
really interesting theory. I've never beenable to put my finger on something quite
like that. A light entity thatis indigenous. It's here, it's here.
We don't perceive them, but theycan perceive us, and they can
interact with us while we're in somekind of a dream state. That's super

(01:05:05):
interesting. That would explain a lotof stuff. But do they live in
the ocean like deep down? It'smy question. I mean, that's a
huge question. I don't I don'tknow. They seem to be able to
appear anywhere, which makes me thinkthey're not as physical as I would guess.
But there's actual, like like literatureabout these balls of light that seem

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to move around. So they say, well, yeah, you mentioned Bigfoot.
So one of the things about Bigfootthe experiences that a lot of them
will see light orbs either before orafter or during their Bigfoot experiences, and
nobody's been able to explain that.So that's an interesting Yeah, that's where

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it got to when I read theUnusual Personal Experiences booklet that that I argue
is both really interesting science and pseudoscienceassociated with abduction, because they that is
an indicator, is the light inthe room or ball of light in the
room, and that they're in associationwith that. There's presences they're not aliens
necessarily, they could be witches ordevils or whatever. I suppose, bigfoots

(01:06:18):
even or easter bunnies in my case. Right, So there's something that seems
to be happening there. I'm notsure. Did you ask that entity could
have become an easter bunny? Didtalk to your wife? I did not
ask him that the entity that Ilike. So basically what happened in my

(01:06:39):
missing time regression back to the thingI shared with my brother was I got
in contact myself with the entity thatI call Galathog, and it basically takes
responsibility. It's shown up in mydreams in very strong ways. It's gone
like it's shown up as a deerin my dream and then the next day,
I see deer. I showed upa beer as a bear. Next

(01:07:01):
day, I see a bear.It shows up as a flash of light.
The next day, my wife seesa flash of light. I think
it's an airplane. She's like,it's definitely, definitely that. I don't
know, but I've asked it questionsand it's identified. It's taken responsibility for
a number of my encounters, includingthe Easter bunny, and it says it
can appear in a variety of differentways, but its appearance would be kind

(01:07:26):
of determined. But if it wereto visit you, it would take on
forms that come from your own unconsciousmind or something like that. So let
me ask you, then, isthere a reason why some people might see
these kinds of things over and overand over again. Others of us like
me never see Jack. Yes.My theory or a hypothesis right now is

(01:07:55):
that this is the dreaming hypothesis.The why remmed dreams are precedent for missing
time is because I say, everyone'shaving these encounters. This is the argument.
I don't know, we have tosee, but everyone's having these encounters
and they are dreamlike in nature,and therefore the people who remember these encounters

(01:08:16):
are those who likely would remember theirdreams more so if you remember your dreams,
and specifically rem dreams, because theyare highly bizarre in the same way
that the phenomena is highly strange.So if you look to definitions of high
strangeness, those are the same definitionsdream scientists used to talk about rem dreams.

(01:08:40):
So if you remember those, you'lllikely be able to remember your experience.
And if you can work with yourdreams in a way like lucid dreaming
practice or something like that, thenyou could likely work with your encounter experiences
in the same way. And thereason why I say this in the scientific
literature is because there is like whenscientists look to say who remembers their dreams

(01:09:04):
more than other people and who experiencesabduction more than other people? No one's
actually asked the same question in thesame study, But these independent studies both
point to fantasy proneness and absorption.Those are psychological terms for like I guess
how prone you are to fantasies.If you are fantasy prone and have a

(01:09:27):
quality of absorption, then you'll likelyremember your rem dreams more than other people.
And those are the same exact qualitiesthat abduction researchers or sykeptical researchers say
that abductees are associated with So itmakes sense because I started by saying,
I don't remember my dreams usually,but how can how confident are you that

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these are not manifestations originating from thebrain in other words, you know,
just being made up by the brain. It's not an actual encounter with an
external force or being Yeah, that'sthat's a really good question, I am.

(01:10:13):
I would respond to that in termsof both like a philosophy, right,
So this is a worldview question.This is sort of like what we
talked about with how John Mack thoughtof dreams as sort of this psychoanalytic like
psychoanalysis and it just existing in thebrain and other cultures going hey, there's
something else happening there. My personalexperiences of like astro projection and you know

(01:10:40):
dreams go oh, this is notlimited to just the brain at all in
my personal experience. Right. So, as a as a first person perspective,
I say, I'm very confident inthat in terms of the actual literature,
I can craft an argument based incross cultural comparisons, like how do
other cultures think about these types ofencounters in the brain, and I I'd

(01:11:02):
be very confident in that level.Now, if we're talking about Western science
and objective science, I'm not sure. I'm very confident around that. The
confidence I do have comes from ameta analysis of dream telepathy studies. So
if dreams just happen in the brain, dream telepathy shouldn't be possible. So

(01:11:26):
you shouldn't be able to send animage to someone in dreaming, And it
turns out you can, but notvery well. That's the kind of understanding
of most of these parapsychology tests.They're like, it's significant, there's statistical
significance. We're obviously sending something.But then you're like, well, how
does it actually send? Does itcome through as a strong message or whatever?

(01:11:46):
And it's like no, not really, like there's some quality of the
images coming through. So that's thelevel of confidence I have. It it's
for me looking into the science andthe statistics like go, oh god,
that's I'm very confident in that.But to talk to you guys about that,
or convince anyone else that there's areal phenomena, you really either have
to have the experience or know thestatistics to be confident. Yeah, understood,

(01:12:10):
it makes sense. So when Ihire you and I'll do a good
donation to watch his dream A gooddonation? Is that a thing? A
good donation? At the end,I'm gonna do donation donation. Okay,
I want you to have that pencilin your hand like you're doing now,
and you know, just monitor him, and you know, no matter how
bad the experience is, I'm gonnadonate. Well, I will not drink

(01:12:31):
that evening so I can remember,because then you got to get in rems
stage yet, because when you drink, you got less ram stage. Right.
I'm not one hundred percent sure whathappens, but I know it does
impact the dreaming experience. Yeah see, yeah, well I know that already.
Oh so he don't drink the nightbefore or the night of actually when
he arrives. How about the dayof the day. The day of is
probably good sixty eight hours prior.So let me ask you, are you

(01:12:58):
engaged in the UFO community. Areyou paying attention to everything? I mean,
you know a lot of the literatureand stuff. You watched the Danny
Sheehan interview, But you know,how do you feel about what's going on?
What's so called disclosure? Especially inlight of the work that you're doing.
Yeah, I pay a lot ofattention to it, primarily because of

(01:13:20):
the connection I see with a contemporaryUAP disclosure narratives around crash retrievals. And
so basically we can explain that byIn twenty seventeen, Leslie Keen and Ralph
bluemoth Thal and Helene Cooper write thisarticle about a tip and that is a

(01:13:41):
program that spent twenty two million dollarswith big Alo Robert Bigelow to do UFO
research and cryptis and space polter guysand dino beavers and whatever else. And
from there it sort of keeps going. Twenty twenty three, again Leslie Keen
and Ralph Blumenthal an article about DavidGrush, who put forwards these claims.

(01:14:03):
So my question, as someone who'slooked into abduction research, I go,
what is the connection of Ralph Blumenthal, leslie Keen, and Bigelow with abduction
research. It might surprise you toknow that Leslie Keene was a partner,
colleague and protege of Bud Hopkins,the abduction most famous abduction researcher, and

(01:14:27):
Ralph Blumenthal wrote the book on Johnmac and seems to have ties with the
Mac family, so they're in andBigelow funded along with the Prince of Liechtenstein.
The unusual personal Experience is booklet.So this is the definitive document that
really established abduction research as a thing. Bigelow and Prince of Liechtenstein spent I

(01:14:54):
think two hundred thousand dollars at thattime. That's half a million dollars to
support this research back then. Andso I have to say, what is
going on with a connection of Bigelow, then Hopkins and Keene and Mac and
Blumenthal with the disclosure narratives. Butthen you've got also Bigelow was friends with

(01:15:15):
Harry Reid, right, who wasthe most outspoken, you know, high
level government official who seemed to haveinterest in the UFO subject and was putting
out there that it's real. Andso it basically it sounds like and it
feels like a grift. Yes,so I have what I I so basically,

(01:15:45):
let me let me just back upa little bit. I don't want
to believe it's a grift. Butwhen I hear these connections and the Harry
Reid and Bigelow thing, and thenthey did the Skinwalker Ranch. Harry Reid
is the one who approved the fundingfor Bigelow to set up this program a
tip or whatever it was called.And they did all that stuff, and
it's a big circle and it makesyou want to believe that this is just

(01:16:12):
one giant grift, and then youhave people like cold Heart and et cetera,
et cetera. So but I don'twant to believe it's a grift.
So anyway, continue what you weresaying. Yeah, so I will say,
yes, it's a grift on onelevel, and no it's not.
And I want to set up thatargument. And it involves Danny Shehan's statements
on your podcast, which really kickedoff a kind of inquiry for me.

(01:16:36):
I go, what is going on? Because Danny Sheann came onto your podcast
and said John Mac never performed hypnosis. He absolutely performed hypnosis. Danny Shan
said he used holotropic breathing to relaxpeople so that their anxieties would go away,
so that they could remember face toface e D contact. And that's

(01:16:57):
absolutely not the case. That's nothow how atropic breathing works. It was
invented by the acid researcher Stanislav Grafand is highly cathartic, and it's it's
really, it's it's really it doesn'teven lead to light relaxation. And so
basically I was like, what isgoing on with this whole thing that's unfolding.
Why are they lying? Why isDanny Shehan lying about uh, John

(01:17:23):
Max's use of hypnosis? And Ithought, Well, because they are confused
about the nature of these face toface ET contact memories. Right, So
if you believe that hypnosis can recovermemories of face to face ET contact,
you wouldn't doubt it, right,Like that that changes your worldview. And

(01:17:43):
uh, and then thinking that macperformed holotropic breathing instead of hypnosis, that
makes it clear that and that's actuallymemory coming up. Then all of a
sudden you're like, Oh, there'sreal aliens talking to real beings. And
chi han't even claims right he couldpanel a jury or whatever or do the
constitutional lawyer thing. I would challengeanyone who has watched your episode and believes

(01:18:11):
that to read the nineteen ninety fourbook Myth of Repressed Memory, and also
go to holotropic dot com to readwhat the actual training organization about holotropic breathwork
says about it and they go,oh, anyone who reads those books will
go, oh, you can't recovermemory in that way. So there's a
confusion going on. So I thinkthe grift comes from the confusion. They

(01:18:34):
are absolutely certain ets have been hereand abducted people physically. Therefore they're absolutely
certain there's UFOs hiding, because howelse would those aliens get here. But
if actually what's happening is this lightphenomena or some other phenomena that involves the

(01:18:55):
generation of the alien abduction memory asa screen memory, that's a matter right
now, then there's something real happening, and they just got tricked with one
aspect of it, so that whenwe get taken into the grift, we're
getting tricked by the fact that theygot tricked by these tricky light orbs or
whatever they are who have visited uslike dream Shaman, and that we when

(01:19:21):
we do the alien abduction fascination thingor the UFO disclosure fascination thing, we're
going I'm interested in this external beingoutside of myself, this external craft outside
of myself, and I'm waiting forsomeone else to disclose a truth to me.
So let me just give us synopsisof what you just said you tell

(01:19:43):
me if I'm wrong. They believetruly, and they're okay with cutting corners
around the truth to push what theybelieve that is. I mean, that's
supported in the literature. I wouldsay, absolutely, that's supported literature.

(01:20:06):
So it's a real phenomenon. There'sa phenomenon there. They believe it's aliens,
and they are willing to cut cornersaround the truth to push the narrative
forward about aliens or whatever the heckit is. So so there was one
point with Danny Shean. He dida podcast about three days before he came

(01:20:30):
on our show, and he madethis giant proclamation that lit read it on
fire about how there was an alieninterview video that was going to come out
in twenty twenty four, and wejust happened to be having him on three
or four days later, and sowe asked him about that very pointedly.

(01:20:56):
We said, hey, you madethis statement in this other podcast just a
couple of days ago about this alienvideo that's gonna cut And he said,
no, no, no, Ididn't say that. I said that there
is an alien interview and for example, you know, catastrophic disclosure could be
just releasing that video to the masses. I know through communication with somebody that

(01:21:21):
I was on his deathbed or whatever, that there was an interview of an
alien. So I love Danny Shean. I loved the interview. He is
a very smart guy, very muchsmarter than I am. But that was
clearly a backtrack, right from somethingthat he didn't say, Oh, you

(01:21:45):
know, for example this, andhe did say that there is going to
be an alien interview released in twentytwenty four year old he did. Yeah,
yeah, So again that's my exampleof cutting corners. Yeah, I
would say that that's a good example. I mean, this is what I
keep seeing, and I keep goingback to the document published by Bigelow in

(01:22:10):
nineteen ninety two, sent to onehundred thousand mental health practitioners. That's a
big deal, right. They basicallyget this pullback and they're like, Wow,
there's so much stuff happening. It'sgotta be aliens. And they just
went to town letting the mental healthcommunity know that. And if they didn't
cut those corners, we would Iget frustrated by it because the numbers that

(01:22:31):
they got back from the poll reallydoes show something's happening that is not explained
by any other science. Right,something is actually happening. There's lived experience
here that needs to be explained andbrought into science. But with us jumping
to the conclusion, oh, it'saliens, right, and even the sense
of the twenty seventeen New York Timesarticle where it's really focused on the UFOs

(01:22:55):
instead of all the other anomalist things, that is another example of this sort
of cutting corners. And that's that'scharacteristic of Bud hopkins work. If you
if you see his influence on JohnMack even he really pushed for this radicalized
view. And so I think there'sjust it's it's hard. I'm finding more

(01:23:15):
empathy with these people. I gotvery angry. I was like, it's
a grift, their liars is aconspiracy. I hate them basically for a
couple of weeks and I started tohave more empathy for them in realizing that
there's really something here that's confusing,it's like and that they're trying their poople
to figure it out. But DavidJacobs was very specific. The aliens are

(01:23:40):
breeding alien human hybrids and doing itover time to create better and better hybrids
that he called hubrids, who wereslowly working their way into our society to
take over and push humanity out sothat the aliens could take over the earth.

(01:24:03):
Very very specific, So how doyou you know, how do you
empathize with that? Like that isnot in the ether sort of like feeling
That was a very specific hypothesis thathe put forward as truth. YEP.

(01:24:26):
I would respond to that with twopoints. The first point is a literary
reference to Carol Rainey's article The Priestsof High Strangeness that was put out in
twenty eleven. So anyone who's interestedin an abduction needs to go to that
literature because it talks about the researchintegrity of David Jacobs and Bud Hopkins,

(01:24:46):
and they've overstepped a bound of ethicswith their practice and communications. So that's
really important to understand. I wishsomeone would have told me that when I
started searching this. Just go tothat article shortcuts a lot. You'll see
a lot of bs in there,and you'll be able to see the truth
of this situation a bit more.The empathy I have for David Jacobs is

(01:25:11):
an awareness that this narrative of abductionand change changing genetics and stuff like that
that's been played out through like fairyliterature and other sorts of folklore throughout the
world. So he got really basicallyconfused. I think about what is what
level of reality these things are happeningin, And I think if they are

(01:25:34):
dreams, and if dream shamanism isreal, then these these experiences are real
in some way, shape or form. I don't know how exactly, but
that hybridization experience, the abduction experience, even though it's not physically happening in
my hypothesis, it's somehow happening inis somehow real, and we don't have

(01:25:55):
science to describe that yet. Solet me ask you personal question. You're
working on your PhD. Yes,how do you make a living? I
do it through about half of it'sthrough donations here and half of it's through
web web work. So last yearI did a lot of actually it's last

(01:26:15):
year. I worked for two yearswith a company called light Neet. It
was it's still going, but Ileft and have just been doing data work.
So I've helped support citizen science workabout people reporting CE five contacts,
so that was really beautiful. Andthen right now, the other contract I'm

(01:26:35):
working on is collecting data to buildreports for University of Washington and that go
to the un or whatever. Soit's about half and half right now.
Yeah, and I'm shifting to thebooks are part of that strategy to shift
to more teaching with people. SoI've got a certification program coming up to

(01:26:57):
help train people to do dream workas opposed to what's your website or d
SETI and d set E stands fortell the people the Dream Study of Extraterrestrial
Intelligence dot org dot org. Anduh so what will people find when they
go there? Uh, they'll finda lot of information about this hypothesis.

(01:27:20):
They'll find links to literature references,they'll find geometric analysis of UAPs as well
as body marks, and they'll finda way to connect with me, either
through a monthly dream group or directlythrough a consultation which is free and no
obligation. And then we'll converse aboutwhat it's like to do sessions and do

(01:27:43):
you do sessions remotely via zoom andwhatnot as well. Yeah, that's primarily
my practice, occasionally do in person, but primarily on zoom. So it's
dre SETI or d setyd SETI,D E SETI No, no, just
D the letter D E S CE T I. Yeah, that's better
because d set would be like antiSETI yeah, d e SETI. Well,

(01:28:08):
it's not that right. I wasjust confirming d s e t I
dot org. Correct. So,and I've also got an app. It's
called dream Well. You can getto that at dream well, b well
dot com or the app and placestores. If you're interested in the mindfulness
aspect or just sleep, sleep hygieneor how to practice dreamwork, I say

(01:28:30):
that's actually the spot to go to. The kind of et connection dream thing
is relatively advanced, and I recommendanyone to have a mindfulness practice. And
so they afroally guides people on thatin a very simple way. They're a
busy So what's a good thing forChad to do for like dream hygiene?
Yes? Correct? Ohious balls orso it's sleep anyway, every day sleep

(01:29:00):
like you know, it is likethe drinking or whatever. Yeah, impact
sleep impact streams. Generally, Isay, if anyone's interested in dreams,
it's just just start paying more attentionto them, talk to people about it,
start recording your dreams. And Ido really see a practice of meditation,
even if it's just one to twominutes of breath work or whatever,

(01:29:24):
is really helpful. So recording mydreams in a book, not like a
video camera, oh any way,shape or form. So this is really
interesting. It's like, if peoplewant to remember more dreams, scientists say
you can. You can write ina book, you can record it in
any way, or you can justsay, from a scale of one to
five, how much of your dreamsyou do remember. And that actual practice

(01:29:45):
of reflecting on your dream life reallyimproves your dream recall. And I could
see that because there are there havebeen times where I remember dreams and they
were super weird, and I'll wakeup like, God, damn, that
was weird. And then I'll justgo down and do my coffee and feed
the dogs and and like you know, five minutes later, it's gone.
Right. The least food do yousuggest for dream hygiene, like the day

(01:30:06):
off, Well, the best thingI would say is actually taking action on
your dreams in ways that are meaningfuland reasonable to you. So this means
like, if you have a dream, share it with someone, If you
feel like it's telling you to dosomething, do it so long as it's
not crazy, and have a practiceof reflecting on it. And that that

(01:30:27):
practice of bringing your dreams into actionin the day helps build that relationship.
And that's the best thing I thinkyou can do for dream hygiene is start
living living life through through dreams anddream guidance. Yeah. So if I
had a dream where someone killed meor I kill them, does that mean
they're like an they're an enemy inreal life? Oh? It depends.

(01:30:50):
I mean, so every single culturehas different ways of interpreting that, And
I would love to do a podcastjust on the weird ways people have interpreted
dreams, because it gets weird reallyfast, to be honest. But in
that case, it could be anenemy, it could be something you might
you might want to reach out tothem, you might want to avoid them,
And it's really up to you todecide. And if it's really about

(01:31:13):
your belief pattern This sounds like acop out, but it's not, because
it's really if you believe, whatyou believe about your dream actually informs how
that dream happens. So that's whyI'm like, I don't I can't interpret
it. I have to underlying,like you know stuff you you could.
Yeah, well, Daniel, thishas been super interesting. We should have

(01:31:36):
an episode where we only do dreamanalysis. Let's do that. Would you
come back on. Yeah, Imean absolutely have have some people share some
dreams or figure out your dreams.You could incubate dreams too. That's that's
another practice. That's that's the practiceof going to bed and saying I want
to dream. That solves the problem. Do you know who Presston den It
is? Yeah? Yeah, okay, So we've had him on a show

(01:31:59):
nine times, that's cool. Andthe last time he was on was like
three weeks ago maybe, And wealways ask him about his ability to astro
project. Yeah, he always lovesastro projecting. And I asked him how
do I do it? And he, you know, kind of gave us
basic idea and I said, I'mgoing to do that and report back.

(01:32:21):
And I haven't been able to doit. Did you try? No,
that's the problem because I was drinking. You seem to have an issue.
So if we if we say,well, you have the same issue,
and as does Donnie with an Eye. So if I was to uh say,
or if we were to say,let's have an episode where we do

(01:32:43):
we tell him about our dreams andwe talk it through and etcetera, et
cetera, but are we ever goingto come back with any dreams? I
have all kinds of fucked up dreams? Do you really all the time?
Oh? Like yeah, three tofour times a week for sure. So
how about we just do an episodewhere we talk about your dreams? Sure,
and don't you have some good dreams? Well only the one? No,
he has more of a very handsomeshadow figure that follows him around.

(01:33:12):
No, but it would be so, yeah, I would. I've always
been inhes that, like diving intowhat the hell the dream you saw?
Like something fucked up or some weirdcolor or animal? What does that mean?
So No, I have had dreams, but like I said, I
usually forget him within five minutes becauseyou're scared. Man. Maybe so,
I don't know. Sometimes I wakeup like thank god, that was a
fucking dream. Oh yeah, Andthen sometimes I'm like wow, that,

(01:33:33):
like I want to go back intothe dream, you know, and not
always sexual, by the way,it was nicely sometimes though. Sure.
Yeah, well just put just puta device by your bed or a book
to record it. When those dreamsstay for five minutes, you can record
any image or and the feelings youhave upon waking, and that's enough for

(01:33:57):
us to start working with it andtalking about it. Okay, we can
our lives are ascribed like tonight,they're anointed. So I'm gonna be like,
honey, quick, write this down. You're gonna wake her up from
her slumber. She's gonna punch youin the face maybe you know, depends
on the time of night. Butthen you're gonna tell Daniel is I don't
know. I felt like I gotpunched in the face. Yeah. And

(01:34:18):
the final thing I'll say about thisexperiment, because I do this a lot
with clients. Between the consultation andthe session, I go, you might
have a dream that's amazing, orwe'll talk about it, and that sort
of thing, and a lot ofabout half the time that actually happens.
So you can start paying attention tosynchronicities or omens in your life. You
can also start to think how deepyou want to go with this experience.

(01:34:40):
Right, So, understanding that perhapscontact with what we have called aliens actually
happens in dreams and that is amore natural experience then we've been led to
believe, which means that you're likelycapable of contacting those beings in your own
dreams, but that there would bea little bit of a process of interpretation.
Is it's a big dream? Isthis a little dream? What's going

(01:35:01):
on? But you can start fromthe beginning to think about how much consent
you want to give to that situation, because that's a thing that is really
important. No, you can sayyes or no to those types of situations,
and if you would like to have, you know, involve those entities
or something like that, you canreally use your dreams to send out that

(01:35:21):
invitation like a CE five invitation.So you're welcome to hold that. You're
I'm not recommending that. That's apersonal choice for you guys to do.
We can try anything that comes up. Yeah, so stop sleeping with the
condom ontrat No, I can't promiseanything. Yeah, that's what I will

(01:35:43):
try that as well as I willtry the astral projection. You got to
try it too, you know,you never admitted not to the astro projection.
I don't know. I just I'mnot sure about that one. But
I would love to analyze the dreams. Okay, So we want to have
you back on the show for sureto do this, but to end tonight's
show, which has been super fascinating. We're almost at two hours. If

(01:36:05):
it weren't for technical snap foos,we only go two hours with our most
interesting guests. To be honest,I shouldn't have said that, because then
we have an guess who's only onfor an hour. He's gonna be like,
oh, yeah, well they mustn'thave thought I was interesting, correct,
just super interesting in the shorter amountof time. But anyway, we
do this thing called words of wisdom. Would you like to go first?

(01:36:30):
Yeah, I'll offer the words ofwisdom. And that's really the fundamental message
I have here is that you,anyone who's listening to this, is capable
of navigating the confusing aspects of disclosure, of abduction and this sort of complex
situation by just practicing with your dreams, by tuning into the natural quality you

(01:36:53):
have as a dream shaman. Andyou've done that here today, and anyone
who's listened to this has done thathere today. It's nothing more complex than
that. And it's just a thing, day after day of opening to the
dreams and working with them and developingthat relationship. And I think that will
bring more disclosure to this world ifpeople started to share their dreams and dreamlike

(01:37:15):
experiences with each other than any amountof legislation. And so I would invite
anyone listening to just tune into theirown natural capacities of a dreamer. All
right, I like it, BobDonnie ye any words, Wi Donnie,
I about you to do it first? Going to always say this to you
now that I'm a dream shaman,you know, I would also say,

(01:37:39):
write down your fucking dreams, Iguess because I've learned tonight, and that's
what I'm gonna do, okay,or have my wife's scribe. I like
to be able to tell someone maybelike even wake them up, and they
know your words wisdom don't have tobe about dreams. Well, That's where
I'm at right now mentally, youknow, Okay, I say that,
but mine is going to be aboutdreams wells or drink less alcohol so that

(01:38:00):
you can remember your dreams and keepa book by your side to write them
down, relive them, and thenastro project. Where would you go if
you actually projected? Where would youget? Where do you want to go?
Like the first time I think Iwant to go to space? Dude,
it's like the moon or like you'rejust gonna be like wandering in the
middle of nowhere because it's a lot. I'm a sci fi guy. I

(01:38:20):
love science fiction. So where wouldyou get whatever? I see a show
or a movie where they go outinto space and a spacecraft. That always
enthralls me. So you want tojust go out into space period and just
float like this is space? Yes, and then I would come right back
to my body. That's perfect.And they've done that. It's over.
It's beautiful, man, it's beautiful. Thank you. I think. Uh,

(01:38:45):
at least uh start on the factof like the meditation part, uh,
Daniel will say, And I thinkthat's a good place to at least
try to bind yourself to like acalm state. Try to get at least
into that I guess mindset that realmbe able to write down your dream later

(01:39:06):
afterwards. So you really fuck thisup, Daniel, because we're all like,
we're right to dream, which Ithink I will. I think I
will. So your words of wisdomare basically start looking at meditation and how
to guess that works best for you. Donnie, Do you meditate? No?
I need to. It's a goodpractice. Are you gonna follow your

(01:39:28):
own advice? Yes? Starting tomorrowtonight in the low disposition, you must
meditate. Well, now I gottalearn that. I start off learning the
basics, right. Yeah, myolder brother meditates like ten to fifty minutes
a day, now, is hereally? But he started out like he
suggested one to two. When hesays it's like, you know, he

(01:39:49):
hasn't told me the details. Hesays, it's helped him. I don't
know do what him? Yeah,I was gonna ask you what. I'm
not really sure yet. Okay,it's hard to call myself down sometimes that's
the point of the meditation, though. It will help you calm yourself down,
even if it's only ten minutes.And Chad, you're always hot and
bothered, so you should calm down. It's the nature of my being.

(01:40:15):
Daniel, thank you so much forjoining us. Really appreciate it. We'll
be in touch and basement hangout outever ever, ever, ever. The

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