189: Interview with an Experiencer - Portals, UFOs, and an Albatwitch

KC is a listener of the show and reached out to tell us about her experiences with high strangeness, including portals, UFOs, and an Albatwitch.

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What's up, beautiful people. Welcometo the Basement Hangout. Coming to you
from somewhere in American suburbia. Myname is Chad and with me tonight is
producer Donnie Bob wish you were here. Yeah, well, Bob has a
stomach bug, a big time flu. He's in the fetal position right now

(00:38):
on his sofa, rocking back andforth. Yeah, he's trying to figure
out what's going on. So thankyou Donnie for coming behind the booth over
there and sitting in front of thecamera, which I know you're not comfortable
with, so it's much appreciated.Our guest tonight is k C, an
experiencer who reached out to us afterour recent episode about alien contact via dream

(01:03):
States. Casey, thank you verymuch for joining us. I want it
absolutely thank you for having me.I wanted to read the first portion of
your email if I could. Itwas very nice and very interesting. My
name is Casey and to say thatI am beyond grateful that the universe allowed
me to stumble onto your Pats andpodcast. My heart is warming right now

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is an understatement. I have tonsof experiences, starting with sleep paralysis and
portals at the age of five.I don't know if I'm going to say
this right and all, but witchencounter, which I had to google Alba
twitch, alb twitch, Okay,I had to I had to google that.
It's very interesting. We're we havea big foot on the wall behind
us, a green egg shaped craftsighting orbs time slips and so on,

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so obviously very interesting to us rightin our realm. So how are you
doing this evening? I'm doing wonderful, really and truly, so I'm just
excited to be here and hang outin the basement with y'all. Yeah,
we appreciate that. How how didyou come upon us? First of all,

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this was a recent thing where youyou came across our podcast, Yes,
yeah, honestly, and it wasjust to stumble, really and truly.
It was kind of one of thoseuh you might be interested in and
hit you and started following and listening, you know, pretty loyally. So

(02:37):
I just you. I like yourbanter, and I love the way that
you are respectful of the experiences andthe individuals that are there and and still
come with some informed knowledge. So, you know, enjoy you guys.
Blush energy, I'm blushing, butyou guys done well, let's start off

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with the beginning, and you know, tell us about your experiences so well,
I mean, like we could startat the beginning, and like I
said, there's the beautiful spider's webthat we could weave here truly, but
so yeah, when I was younger, I guess the otherness has always been
a part of my world. SoI have sleep paralysis pretty consistently, and

(03:27):
that has evolved into really intense ofcourse lucid dreaming, and then also then
astral projection, which that was wild, you know, and I got of
course some stories or lanes we couldtravel down there. But the first time
I do remember the sleep paralysis,which now that I have a word for

(03:49):
it, and then having actual projectionwas when I was five five years old.
Which have you ever had sleep paralysis? I have not, have you,
I feel like maybe a little bityeah, but not well full blown.
You have the dream we talked aboutwhere you felt like an entity was
chasing you, Yeah, and thenyou wake up and you're just like like

(04:12):
in the dream, it's almost whereyou can't like move or anything like that.
And then you wake up and it'slike super like hot and sweaty for
whatever reason, you're just like,what the But I think it's sleep paralysis.
You're almost awake and experiencing something.Yeah, right, yeah, and
so you know, in that sleepparalysis state, it's like you're seeing things

(04:32):
in the room while you can't moveright, you can generally like move your
eyes or you think that you youknow, you try to make noise or
anything like that, and you justcan't. Uh. And then that the
astral projection is whatever it is,I don't know, into another realm or

(04:53):
mention or space you know, whereyou can kind of run into entities,
to say the least, I guessus if we had to go there on
that one. So but yeah,my first at five was the first sleep
paralysis and I actually woke up tolike three amalgamous, like ambiguous gray entities

(05:20):
in the room. Yeah yeah,but they were kind of backlit and they
were distinctly gray and almost like theylooked like TV static, if that makes
sense. So yeah, so thatwas the first kind of traits around there.
And then actively like coming out ofmy body in that kind of astral

(05:45):
projection or dream state, feeling likeyou're it's the weirdest feeling, like you
know, I've come out of mybody in different ways. One time,
like I came out of the topof my head and it was accompanied this
bang, you know. And thenother times, I know, your whole
body will buzz and you'll be ableto look and see yourself in the bed.

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And then when you're in this otherspace, I guess we could call
it that things are the same butdifferent too, So that can be really
kind of can throw you off.So but yeah, you know, it's
been something that's been with me forfor quite some time, and I've had,
you know, numerous numerous experiences throughoutmy my time on this place realm.

(06:39):
I was gonna say globe. Somepeople don't think it's a globe,
sont you know? So let meask you on the sleep paralysis. Do
you believe that it is simply sleepparalysis or that it's more than that.
I think for me it's more thanthat, only because you know, when

(07:02):
you have those experiences, and evenif it's only more more than that for
me and my perception, then thatmakes it just very real. Does that
make sense? So you know,whether we are able to cross and look
and see beyond this veil and maybe, but I don't think that. I

(07:27):
think of course there's a biological componentpotentially, as far as you know somebody
having the talent to you know,have perfect pitch or something like that,
that kind of natural talent. SoI think a aspect of that comes from
there and then and just some peoplekind of being better at it than others.
But I really think there's something elsebeyond. It's not just a fully

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biological like brain misfire so to speak. Right, have you ever had anything
happen that kind of informed your dailylife and turned out to be accurate or
true or helpful or just interesting,like some kind of prophetic, like a
prophetic kind of I don't know ifanything has been like particularly prophetic. Well,

(08:20):
I lie, Okay, let metake that back. Yes, when
I was nineteen, I had adream that and I was introduced to my
child and I saw him. Isaw him sitting I can still see it

(08:41):
now, where it was almost lookedlike like the front of some kind of
like panera bread. Right, Sothere's like a brick facade and he's sitting
in a wooden high chair with awhite tank or dress or some kind of
smock on, with the curly blondehair, and like a voice from somewhere

(09:01):
said interestingly enough, this is yourdaughter. So I woke up and I
told my mom because my mom alsohad dreams of all of us, all
of her kids before she had them, and I said, you know,
I met my daughter, you knoweverything. So long story short. So

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that was when I was nineteen andthen I had him, and I'll take
that back. I didn't even biologicallyhave him. I adopted him when I
was twenty seven, so and aroundthe age year and a half. There
was that beautiful face with the blondecurls. But you know, the sex

(09:50):
so to speak, was wrong asfar as it being my daughter, but
no actuality. Right up until aboutthree to four days before he was born,
we were under the impression that itwas a girl. Oh wow,
yeah, so he that was hewas going to be my daughter until about
three or four days prior and thenwe found oh, just kidding, that's

(10:13):
that's a little boy. So soyeah, I did have I guess a
predictive dream in that sense. Soyou were adopting prior to to birth.
Oh yeah, h was that?Like? How does that? How does
that happen? Walk us through that? Well, I mean, you know,

(10:33):
being a big old uh member ofthe l g B t q I
a plus R element OP community.Uh So the woman that she was pregnant,
and something about it just drew meto committing to being this child's other
parent, okay, and then ofcourse she had him, and we were

(10:58):
together in a romantic sense for alittle bit, but have remained mainly as
co parents. And just something aboutthat specific my child now that it felt
right, it fit, so tospeak, you know. And I couldn't
believe it when that year that whenhe grew into that same face that I

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saw. That's fascinating that so thedoctors got it wrong when they were telling
you the sex all the way upuntil birth. Yep, wow, three
or four days before he came.He happens more often than we know.
Yeah. Really I didn't know that. That's super interesting. Huh. Yeah.

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Well, I mean it was funtrying to like, you know,
urgently go through names. Yeah,it's always fun, a big thing.
Yeah, And like having that timeamongst getting yourself ready for a human being
to take care of anyhow, youknow, giving this child that its name
is like huge. You can reallyset them up for you know, good

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or bad, you know, inthat sense. So having only like three
or four days to really kind ofthink about it and at least commit to
a first name that was he was, how'd you guess you're you're good?
That we we were initially going tocall when it was he was a girl,

(12:26):
was going to be an Elise,but we settled on you ready,
you're ready, I'm going to showyou just how nerdy I am, uh
and exactly probably how old I amin this. So his first name is
Aiden, and then his middle nameis Jariff, after the Goblin King from
the Labyrinth. Oh wow, that'sawesome. So what's Aiden? What's the

(12:50):
frame of reference for Aiden? Aiden? It was it's a nice name,
but well, I mean there's liketen million other Aiden's now, so I
feel kind of basic for doing thatto my kid. But and we course
spelled it with you know, alla's, no e's, no y's,
and all that kind of stuff.But I want to say, I don't

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know the distinct origin, but itmeans like little fire or something with fire,
like elementally nice. And then ofcourse just the Goblin King, because
who wouldn't want to be referenced toDavid Bowie. You know that's super cool,
you know, So okay, Nowlet's move forward to one of your

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other experiences. You mentioned portals.Yeah, so that's actually one of the
experience. That's my first portal likeexperience was when I was in that five
to six year old stage, andnow know that I was astrally projecting myself
outside of my body and traveling around. At that point in time, I

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was living with my grandmother, Sowe're in my grandmother's house, and the
front door itself was consistently I wouldsee it as this swirling, misty gray
portal amongst my astral travels as asa youngin And so with that, I

(14:22):
don't at least I don't remember whoknows, you know, as far as
what might be locked in this brain. I don't think I ever went through
the portal because something about it feltlike I shouldn't, So I always kind
of diverted and went out the wall. That sounds so bizarre, doesn't it.
I went out the wall, butI guess all of it sounds bizarre,

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and kind of traveled across the streetand into the neighborhood and things of
that nature. So, now haveyou heard our episodes with Preston Dennett.
By any chance, I've listened intoparts of it. Okay, So Preston
Dennett is a UFO researcher, buthe's also a prodigious Is that a word

(15:09):
prodigious? I think so, Yeah, it's a word, right. Yeah,
he's a prodigious astral traveler. Andhe's told us about well, I
mean, he's traveled through walls likeyou just explained when he leaves, and
he's been able to like he's seenAccording to him, he's seen hell,

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he's seen the moon. He's gonelike he's even come out of his body
and said, I need to proveto myself that this is actually happening.
And at the time he was livingin the LA area, and he would
go out to an area and seelike just something simple like a trash can
or something with like the lid halfoff, and then he would the next

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morning wake up and drive out thereand verify that it was actually there,
the trash can, the lid washalf off, whatever. I'm parafer,
Yeah, but he you know,he has mentioned that he traveled basically through
the wall. It wasn't like hewent through a door. Yeah. No,
And it's always odd because when you'rein that state too, there is

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you're still a conscious mind, andso you're still aware that it is odd
to go through the wall, youknow, but it also feels it's just
a very freeing experience to know that. First of all, you know,

(16:33):
when you start to feel that buzzor that electricity once you're kind of entering
that state between like you know,full awakeness and then deep sleep, and
your conscious mind is aware that yourenergy body, I guess, is lifting
out. There is a little fearaspect in there, and if you can
push through that, to to beable to say that you can fly is

(17:00):
phenomenal. And you know, I'vetried to test myself as well as far
as real world pieces, and I'vedone that with friends. So we would
one friend actually, she I wasa bridesmaid in her wedding, and we
had stated, you know, wewere kind of testing this out with each
other, and she wanted to goover the colors of her bridesmaid's dresses and

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I said, well, let's meetup in a dream and let's talk about
it there. So we talked aboutit at all, and we actually picked
a beach to go to that wewere both familiar with, and we actually
met up and she showed me thetwo different color options for the dresses.

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And so granted, you know,it was my friend. It wasn't like
some kind of neutral third party thatwas verifying something that happened. But you
know, when I spoke to herthe next day, I said, you
went with like that wine kind ofmaroon color. She's like, yes,
like it worked, was it?It did work? And she remembered meeting
you. Uh ye really she rememberedbeing there as well. So because you

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always there is still that sense ofdoubt, like, you know, is
this like a truly happening, andyeah, you know it really is.
It's it's it's happening. So thatmeans you guys had already talked about the
fact that you can both do this. Yeah, so you know, I
guess birds of a feather flock together. Yeah, you know, so you

(18:32):
find like minded individuals and getting toknow each other, you start talking about
things like that. So yeah,we had talked about you know, her
interest in it, mind interest init. And you know they always say
practice makes perfect, and that's somethinglike you know, any muscle you strengthen
it, you work on it,it gets stronger. So we tried it
that way and it worked. Itwas that was really wild. So but

(18:55):
as far as any other kind oftest for you know, any of veracity,
I haven't really done it in thatkind of aspect, like finding a
spot out in the real world,because like I said, for me,
there is a little bit of ashift in what you can see. So
even uh, for me where Igo Astray, it looks like it's still

(19:21):
the same buildings or the same streetscapes and things of that nature, but
it's almost this kind of magenta pinkykind of a look to it, like
if I guess, if you know, everything had you know, some kind
of beautiful like lighting, it wasjust all pinky and magenta, like yeah,

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yeah, yeah, a little bitmore on the purpose, yeah kind
of yep. I was gonna say, just behind you there, that's really
kind of what it looks like.But it's phenomenal and so like even you
know, in conscient just leave wantingto kind of ground myself. I always
when I do finally get out ofthe house that I'm in, I always

(20:07):
go to the ground first and feelthe earth, and so you can feel
like every piece of grass and thewetness and moisture to it, and then
you know, you can take offfrom there. The one wild thing though,
is if you do try to ascertainwhere you are astray or within any
kind of lucid dream. You know, if you look at your hands,

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right, that's one of those thingsthat you can do. But your hands
then kind of like, you know, wisp away eventually because you're not Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. Soit's it's there, but it isn't
so and your body is the same, but it's not. And just one
of those you know, question marks. Have you ever perceived the silver cord

(20:52):
that pulls you back? I havenot. I have not seen that cord.
I have it, and I,you know, in doing whatever kind
of minimal research that I can,I do know that some people can see
it, and I haven't seen thatyet. Now what's interesting is, excuse
me, there's the I can't rememberhis name. He's very famous for describing

(21:15):
how to ask real project and evenhad a foundation. You may remember his
name, Robert Monroe. Yes,Robert Monroe, the Monroe Foundation, and
so they teach people how to dothis and how to get yourself in the
right position to do this and practicepractice, et cetera. It sounds like
it just came to you naturally andyou haven't even had to do anything exactly.

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It was just one of those thingsthat I just did, and it
was one of those things that It'sreally only been the past few years that
I've just been comfortable. And Ithink we can all kind of say globally,
the shift in comfort and talking aboutthe weird and the other has been

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really palpable. And there's a lotmore you know, I guess understanding and
willingness to a share and be openabout experiences and be for people to to
hear it and not want to like, you know, get you epied and
throw it in the hospital. Youknow. So, But so it's been

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a it's been something that I've alwaysdone. It's and now I'm just now
talking about it as far as kindof sharing those things. But you can
ask like my best friends, youknow, I'll come into work because of
course I met one of my bestfriends at work and I was like,
I was outside my body all lastnight. It was just I didn't get
any sleep, and she's like,what the okay, what happened? You

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know? But just you know,I think there is just something to something
more to the dreamscape, the astrolthat feels maybe more like home, so
to speak, than what this kindof realm is. So do you believe
when our physical bodies die that that'sthe realm that we end up in or

(23:04):
are you still forming your opinion.I'm always just open to any kind of
information, you know, and thenfinding and going with what feels right,
like what resonates with you. Youknow, I don't know that we would
go to that specific astral space whereyou know we go when we dream,

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but I do think that's potentially maybelike a doorway. You know. There's
just this world is just so sophenomenal, and you know, you can
figure out and say, you know, yeah, the sky is blue,
but in all reality, you know, the next, you know day,
it's it's green, you know.So I'm just I am growing more and

(23:48):
more comfortable and really loving and livingin the wonder of it all and just
appreciation appreciating the magic. You know. So does your partner experience any of
this stuff? For how does Yeah? So, Kylie is my partner,
and so when I emailed you aboutthe time slip, that's who was with
me when it happened. And westill have no idea. So you know,

(24:15):
the web that can be woven.I kind of file it away by
virtue of where I was when thingshappened. So this was a recent incident.
I guess it was last August,no, not last August, to
August before. And we were togo to Georgia on vacation, and we

(24:37):
of course had like a crazy,you know, cracko dawn flight that was
to leave at six fifteen in themorning, and we lived about two hours
away from the airport, and ifyou at least give yourself an hour before
your flight to do all the securityfun stuff, you know, taking all
that into account, you know,let's add that up. So we needed

(24:59):
to leave at least by We're twohours away, right, and we want
to get an hour. We needto leave by like three fifteen at the
latest, right, And that's likepushing it because you still have the park
and do all that other stuff.Because we were flying out of Baltimore,
b WI, right, So inevitablythe alarm doesn't go off right and we

(25:25):
wake up it's four o'clock in themorning, and I'm freaking out. She's
freaking out. We gotta still walkthe dogs. We got one hundred pound
German shepherd. We got to getthe cats together. At that time,
we had a guinea pig and akid, and like, just you know
what I'm saying, Well, see, yeah, So the whole time,

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I'm like freaking out, should wejust not go? Shouldn't we do it?
And she's like, I don't know, And so, you know,
we're still going through the motions butstill talking out loud on like what the
hell do we do? And I'mlike, well, at the very least,
let's just you know, get thereand maybe we can rearrange the ticket
somehow. Right, So we getour the car packed, we get all
the animals cared for, everything settledas we need to, and we leave

(26:11):
the driveway at four forty one.Right, Because I'm consistent, I'm so
focused on the time because I'm like, I don't know how this will work,
but let's just see. So I'mdriving and at the time the car
had one head laid out, soright, it's so like we didn't want

(26:33):
to get pulled over and like loseanymore time. So I know for a
fact that we weren't even speeding,and because it really wouldn't have mattered at
this point, We're leaving at fourforty one. The flight leaves at six
fifteen. We're two hours away.We still have to park the car.
We still need to get in theairport, like we're gonna more likelyness this
light, right, so, youknow, we take the left out of

(26:56):
the driveway to start our you know, bemoaning drive down to the airport to
leave, and at some point,maybe about i'd say, not a quarter
of a mile down our road,because our road was roughly like a mile
and a half two miles long.I look over to her and she's looking

(27:19):
at me, and I'm like,does it feel weird? She's like,
it feels weird, And somehow itwas almost like the same street light in
the same house, and the samestreet light and the same house for a
solid like twenty seconds, like agood bit of time to where I'm looking

(27:40):
at her. I'm like, look, this is weird, like something like
you just I don't know how usto explain it other than we knew something
was off right. So long storyshort, we still don't know what the
hell happened, and a lot ofthese things, like I'm just glad that
she was there to witness that withme, because when I tell you that

(28:02):
we left our home at four fortyone in the morning and got to this
airport that was two hours away andat the gate at five point fifty five
in the morning. It should nothave happened. Yeah, it shouldn't have
happened. We we got, Wegot into the airport, we got to

(28:23):
Baltimore. We got because you gotto get a shuttle. Now you can't
just pick up at the terminal,you know, no idea. Do you
remember looking at your watch through thethrough all of that and saying any thing
like how has this only taken tenminutes when it should take thirty minutes?

(28:44):
And you know, so forth.No, I didn't like do any kind
of like of those time checks inthat sense, other than, like I
said, knowing that we left atfour forty one because I wanted, you
know, that starting time. Butthat just this weird feeling and then this
kind of repetitive light house lighthouse,light house, and almost like I wasn't

(29:07):
even driving at one point. Itwas just very odd, you know,
and you could chalk it up to, you know, I didn't have enough
coffee yet. You know, we'reclearly rushed and dwarphins whatever it is.
But there is no way on earththat should have ever happened. There's just
and what happened, how it happened. I had no idea, but it

(29:30):
we made it something, you know, And then that makes you think,
like you know, by sheer manifestation, you know what, there's there's so
many odds and ends and roads thatyou can go down for that. But
that was that was really wild,so to speak. So yeah, m

(30:00):
m m hm m m. Haveyou ever had anything like that? A

(30:22):
time slip down? I feel likehaving a couple of times when I'm driving
from like Augusta, Georgia to likeyeah, like Vietnam Bytville and going because
that's why is it always involved Georgia. Georgia? Is something funky about Georgia
because I used to drive from thereto North Carolina like every weekend, Yeah,

(30:47):
to go back to the house andvisit for the weekend and have to
come back, so it'd be tripthere and then trip back there and trip
back. There's definitely times where it'slike I don't even know how I made
this in like a certain amount oftime. Yeah, just some things couldn't
explain that back when you when youdrove an STX an STX is that what

(31:08):
it was called what is that?What? Oh w rx wrx STI nice
little super reaction. Seems he hadone of those cars with like the big
you know wang, Yeah, thebig what is that the mufflers or whatever?
Oh, the tail pipes, thelarge tail pipes. He's one of

(31:29):
those guys back in the day.He's got kids and stuff now, so
he's not doing that now. Somaybe you were just going like one hundred
and forty miles an hour, youknow, I mean it could have been,
because I don't really mess with you. Sorry, I'm not trying to
diminish his experience, you know,I'm just no, absolutely, it's just
Donnie, So tell us about thisis maybe well, you know, we

(31:56):
we've talked about bigfoot on this shownumerous times. Yeah, there's not a
whole lot of info on bigfoot anymorethese days other than podcasts. So I
had not heard of the alb twitch. Did I get that right? Mm
hmm an Alba twitch an ALB twitch, which I had to google it when
you sent us the email. IfI remember correctly, it's basically a bigfoot

(32:21):
that is small, tiny bigfoot.So yeah, what size are we talking
about? So the creature I hadthe run in with was easily three to
four foot maybe, oh my god, like an walk? Yes, so
okay, I literally, so I'mheading in the work because I worked at

(32:46):
the beach at the time, andI literally, I said, I walked
in and I said, I literallyjust saw an e walk that was legitimate,
like that was the height and all. Now, it wasn't a cute
little like rumbling tumbly thing. Itwas lean and had longer like muddy matted

(33:07):
hair and yellow piercing eyes, andbut yeah, like legit, like an
ewok, like I could like,no way, is this really happening on
the side of the road. Andthen it kind of like glided backwards into
the woods. Yeah, we hearso we hear that a lot about Bigfoot

(33:29):
that they sort of glide. Theyhave a gliding mechanism where they're almost like
they're almost like moon walking or something. Yes, yeah, like floating just
above the ground itself. So wherewas this? Was this almost like a
regular suburban road, just a regularsuburban road. I mean, granted,
you know, still we're a ruralarea, right, so it's not as

(33:52):
if it was like a giant kindof interstate or anything. So but it
was still you know, a twolane highway and it was probably around it
was in the morning because I hadto go in and help with prep,
so it was around that like seveno'clock, eight o'clock in the morning bit,
and it was he was I almostdidn't believe it. So like I

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rode up and I saw this thingstanding on the side, and like I
slowed down because I didn't know ifit was somebody, like a person.
So I was probably like a solidone hundred feet max. Away from it,
and it was just it was thereon the side, like I said,

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and it looked at me, andI really just kind of noticed its
eyes and its hair and it wasalmost like it, you know, as
odd as it sounds, there wasa understanding from it and an understanding for
me that I wasn't going to botherit and it wasn't going to bother me.
And then it just kind of backin. So it was bordered up

(35:00):
against it was kind of by oneon a like a guardrail, and it
had a little creek running next tothat, and then the woods and some
fields beyond that. So yeah,I just mostly tell people I saw on
e walk, you know, that'swhat met ank before buy me a drink,

(35:22):
so we hear that about bigfoot too. Bigfoot encounters that there's an understanding,
so there's yeah, it really was. There's two types of encounters.
There's one where people get bluff charged, where like the the bigfoot will like
stomp towards them to scare the everliving hell out of them, like get

(35:43):
out of here, oh God,and scream and sometimes they're not even seen.
They're doing it in the woods,just beyond the brush, and people
hear the scream and hear the thumpingand they know I got to get out
of here, and they're gone.I would, yeah, me too.
But then the second kind of encounteris where they see it, and a
lot of times the bigfoot doesn't.It's surprised, like it's not expecting to

(36:05):
be seen, and so it's almostlike too late. And then when they
make that eye contact, they getthat feeling like, hey, you don't
bother me. I don't bother you. Let's just won't bother you. Let's
just move my business. And thenthe human the human goes okay, I
understand, and they just go Theyjust everybody just leaves. I'd rather have
that one exactly what it was.That's what I had minus. You know,

(36:28):
it wasn't eight foot tall with largeteeth, so you think it was
a baby or just in your gut, do you think it was like a
full grown miniature whatever. You don'tknow, you know, al but twitch
was the closest thing that, youknow, in looking you always doubt yourself
first, you know, and soin looking up what it could have possibly
been, you know, that's whatfelt like it like it fit right.

(36:55):
So it didn't it because it lookedfully proportional in the sense of it,
you know what I mean. Itdidn't feel juvenile in that kind of a
way. And so and you know, the alb twitch, I guess there's
something in its uh traits or youknow, significant things about this particular cryptid.

(37:16):
It likes the crab apples and andso I and I can't really recall
if there would have been any ofthose crab apple trees, but if there,
that would have been the right placefor there to be that only because
it was around kind of like that, like I said, farm land and
fields and that wooded area. Sothat's the closest thing I could find.

(37:38):
So how did you, like,how did you search that up? Like
I just saw an e walk.What was it or how did you?
How did you come across Alba twitch? Like small or little bigfoot? Actually
a beautiful little oxymoron there right,what's a little bigfoot called? Uh?
And then like even some things likea puckudgie had come out things like that.

(38:01):
Yeah, but like I think puckwedgies don't they have like the spikes
or something. Are they're a littlebit more they're like trolls or like almost
like yeah, yeah, it wasa different vibe, whereas this had like
the fur, the stringy muddy hairlike mud caked in with like bits of

(38:21):
grass in there and stuff, andand like I said, those yellow eyes
and and it was lean. Soit wasn't you know, like that ewok
kind of you know, disposition whereit had like kind of the chunkiness and
the toddle to it. It was. It was a lean creature, I
guess. So yeah, man,I got I'm like, you know,
in my head right now still seeingit like there on the side of the

(38:44):
road and me you know, beingme so wild stuff in that sense.
But yeah, that's really my onlylegitimate, I guess, cryptid encounter of
that kind of sort. Now beforethe feeling about you know, don't mess
with me. I won't mess withyou. When you first saw it,
did your heart drop? Were you, like, you know, scared or

(39:08):
No, there wasn't a fear factor. It was still a very much a
well, I mean, there's alwayslike what the hell you know, like,
and there was a stop there,But there was no fear factor to
that at all. And you know, I'm that weird duck anyway, like
if I can, I'll break fora butterfly. So like if anything's moving

(39:29):
on on the street, I'm gonnalet it pass before I kind of bulldozed
through. So but no, Ididn't feel there wasn't any fear there.
It was just it was just thatthat shock of seeing something, uh and
then seeing more of that something andtrying to like figure out exactly what the
hell that was and then you know, having this uh aura of understanding.

(39:52):
You know, it was just wild, wild kind of the deal. That's
cool. Now, why can't communicatewith each other like that? Or maybe
we can? We just don't knowit. Maybe we can exactly. Yeah,
you imagine hearing everybody's thoughts. Well, oh shit, I mean to
think that there is a time wherelike if you're Let's just say you're on

(40:14):
a subway stop and you see aguy come down the stairs and you just
know instinctively this isn't good. Whereyou see somebody else come down the stairs
and you just go instinctively at whatever, no big deal. So maybe that
is part of it, you know, right, And well, you know
what, weren't you guys? Imean, one of your older episodes was

(40:35):
the theo of Prophecy, right,and he said that we have nine bodies,
right, so energetically, if ouroric fields are kind of out there
and we're bumping into each other,you know, there has to be some
kind of like warning switch, youknow, as far as like what kind
of feels or works with your vibrationor not, I don't know who.

(40:58):
It is funny because we tell eachother other go with your gut, but
then when people go with their gut, we tell them how you're overreacting.
Yeah, I mean, yeah,yeah, yeah, absolutely, well,
you know, I think like that'sjust part of being comfortable with the uncomfortable
too though. You know, soeven now me talking to you guys,

(41:20):
like I'm talking about these experiences thatare bizarre and you know, out of
left field, and about this topicthat it's just completely fantastical. But you
know in sharing it though, there'ssomething there that you're going to resonate with.
You know, even when you readmy email, right, you're like,

(41:43):
let me at least talk to thisperson and see what's going on there,
because you can feel that truth init, you know. So well
your email is also very well written, if I'm being honest, Oh well,
thank you. We get emails sometimeswhere I can't make heads or tails
of what the person is saying.Here's what's fair eloquent, like, okay,
you know this is an English sendingus an email, just little old

(42:08):
may you know. But well,because I believe in the power of words,
and however that is related to thought, you know, and so in
writing to you or to anyone,kind of aligning that with my feelings and
making sure that I'm communicating to youin a way that hopefully when you're reading

(42:30):
my words, you're also able tokind of get my visuals too, you
know. So sure you know?All right? Now tell us about the
green egg orb that you encountered.Well, that was okay, so that
was more like a craft, right, So can I tell you? I
still want to say, like there'sno way that that was some kind of

(42:54):
you know, uap ufo whatever itis that they call me, because I
have looked up and down for likeglowing the dark blimp, right, but
it doesn't happen. It doesn't exist, it's not out there. So it
was this giant egg shape, soyou know, effect not like pointed at
both ends. But the smaller pointwas I guess, towards the front of

(43:16):
it, and the bigger, moreyou know, duller point was towards this
back edge. And it was actuallyand I really thought it was a blimp
at first, only because we havethe local baseball team, right, and
so I thought maybe. And itwas kind of traveling dead silent, right,

(43:39):
like it was going towards the airportand when you just have a little
small regional airport here. But thesize of it was massive, and the
glowing green of it was like,you know, like this undulating phosphorescent green
to it, like a deep green, not like a glowstick green, kind

(44:00):
of a deeper one. But therewas no like flight lights or there was
no deck to it or any kindof steering rudder anything that would you know,
essentially say hey, I'm using thisfor flight it was just this giant

(44:22):
green egg in the air, likeand you were home when you saw this,
Yeah, I was home. Iwas actually, you know, sitting
on my front porch, you know, because my mom wouldn't let me drive
until I was eighteen, So Iso this is this is when you're Yeah,

(44:44):
I was sixteen, Yeah, sixteenseventeen when I saw it, sitting
on the front porch, you know, whatever else you gotta do, and
this rural area and yeah, andit was just there and it was a
shocking moment in the sense of,wow, well that's a really crazy looking
blimp. I guess the local baseballteam had some kind of event with that,

(45:07):
right, And then a few moreseconds kind of set in. And
that's not like any other blint I'veseen. There's no words scrolling across the
side or good Year plastered, andit's you know, and there's no way
or place for a human to siton that thing, you know, So

(45:27):
you know, I guess I wouldsay the experience lasted maybe a minute and
a half or so, so,but that you know, that particular place.
I had a lot of different experiencesthere as far as whether you know
that craft. And that's also whereI was living when I had the little
ewok encounter too, and that housein and of itself had some creepiness in

(45:49):
there and even had like some urbencounters in that particular house because inevitably and
invariably we were doing renovations and youknow the old adage that renovations like to
kick up the energy of the spaceand the place that you're in. And
actually had like almost like a volleyballsize maybe a little bit bigger, like
a red like a neon, pinkand orange orb come up between my brother

(46:16):
and I and then it shot overto the corner of the living room and
kind of did this kind of wavefall or falling leaf pattern up and down
the built in bookcase, and thenit poofed like disappeared and had some other
like green orb interactions at that particularhouse. Now does your brother acknowledge that

(46:36):
experience too, Oh yeah, becauselike we both, yeah, we looked
at it, we ran outside,we were out of there. So you
know, that's also been a Iguess, you know, a wonderful thing
to have somebody else to kind oftalk to about that. You know,
that's even the same house where alot of my more scary sleep paralysis incidents

(46:59):
took place like seeing you know thisinky swirling blacks like spider or tentacled thing
up in the corner of the ofmy bedroom. Those were some of the
scarier ones as far as those kindsof dream experiences. But my other brothers,

(47:21):
I have two younger brothers, healso experienced terrifying sleep paralysis entities in
that house as well. Now I'mI'm wondering because you've had all these experiences
in sleep paralysis, you know,Daniel Reshkin Reushkin, I always get his

(47:45):
name wrong. I don't know whyI can't say his name should be easy
Daniel Reushkin Reshcan reshcn uh. Heis willing to come back on the show
and basically do like a dream therapytype episode where he listens to us tell

(48:07):
him about our most recent dreams orI don't dream much. I don't or
at least I don't remember them.Would you like to come on and be
part of that? I think thatmight be interesting interesting one. I would
definitely I would. Do you rememberrecent dreams as well? And as far
as what like any kind of astralprojection or sleep paralysis, anything that you

(48:30):
just in general, like in morerecent times versus what's happened in the past.
Yeah, so you're still I'm stillhaving I'm still having sorry, you
know, I told you spaghetti,spaghetti, spaghetti. You know, I'm
still having really intense actual projection andlucid dreams and not a lot of the

(48:58):
terrifying sleep paralysis because now I'm kindof comfortable enough to kind of work through
the fear first instead of giving intoit. But yeah, I just had
some It feels so real, youhave to it's real to me, right,
But I was actual traveling. Icame out of the wall of the
house and I met up with threeindividuals that I knew instinctively were my guides,

(49:25):
and they took me into the woodsand it was the woods that you
know, we're behind the house,and somehow we walked through this portal,
so to speak, or this areathat took us elsewhere, and we were
then over this large gorge and thiscanyon, and it was flanked by these

(49:50):
castle like turrets that were carved intothe canyon, and there was beautiful,
you know, foliage cascading down andthe wa that was rushing in the between.
In the gorge itself was this deeplike sapphire like blue, and my
guide said, or these individuals said, we're here to teach you how to

(50:16):
control this element. You are meantto control water, and so it just
just wild stuff, you know.So yeah, that's like one of the
most that's just recently happened. Soyeah, all right, let's do that.
That'll be fantastic. Have you beenwriting down to new your dreams?
So, I, like I said, I don't remember my dreams usually,

(50:37):
but I had one about four nightsago that I remember and I don't need
to write it down. For somereason, that one's sticking with the same
one with the days. It's thesame one with today's dream, the one
that you had. Yeah, SoI don't know if that's because we talked
to him, so now I'm moreconscious of it and I'm keeping it in

(50:58):
the front of my brain or what. But this one I don't need to
write down, like when we havethat when we do that episode where we
do our dream state stuff with him. I got this one down. Did
you buy your journal yet? No? I didn't do that. No,
I don't know journal in there.Yeah. Absolutely, And it's not it's

(51:21):
not like I don't want to.I don't want to give it away because
I want to bring it out duringthat episode. But it's not like existential
or you know, relating to entitiesor UFOs. It's very much like your
average I'm on Earth and you knowthings are happening in my life type of
a thing. So I don't knowwhat he's going to say because it's not

(51:43):
going to point to anything extra terrestrialor otherwise, you know what I mean?
Maybe right, But wasn't he talkingabout like screen memories and things like
that? That is true exciting.I think he's gonna listen to mine and
go, that's nothing moving on,Donny, worry about drink more. So

(52:07):
listen, I need to take apartty break or I'm going to explode,
So we'll be right back, AndI want to ask you about the hidden
hand the second third of your email, right, yeah, absolutely, Can
I partty break with you? Yes, we're all going to break, So

(52:55):
let's talk about the second part ofyour email. Yeah. So, if
I'm being honest, I'm the oneon this show who has a little bit
of what's the word I'm looking for? I'm never quite sure if there's like
an Illuminati slash, you know,power that be that's sort of controlling everything.

(53:20):
I don't know where I stand onthat. The second half of your
email mentioned sort of a hidden handthat's kind of behind things, directing things,
and I'm I'm not saying I'm notopen to it. I am,
but I want to see or hear, you know, more information about it.
So what do you know about thishidden hand? So, as far

(53:44):
as I know, you know,I mentioned the site that I found that
that on, and that this wasactually quite a while ago, and I
haven't gone back to like go throughthat thread to kind of, you know,
ascertain its veracity as far as ifyou know, those that those pieces

(54:05):
of information that were supposedly shared orleaked or whatever kind of match with what
we see. Now, let's goahead and mention the site I don't remember,
do you you you remember what's thesite called? Again? Yeah?
Above top secret above top secret dotcom? Is that what it is?
Yep? Okay, yep. Andso the thread itself, like I said

(54:28):
something titled to the effect of theHidden Hand, and it was essentially this
individual who stated that as an initiateinto the these elite ancient other Illuminati esque

(54:49):
group right left hand, right hand, whatever it may be hidden all the
same, and they were tasked withthe this job of finding a group of
individuals that would be able to orat least should be able to receive this

(55:15):
information and ask questions of this individualthat would at least be somewhat informed by
by virtue of their interest in andstudy of you know, the occult or
you know the fringe, so tospeak. And so I was just I

(55:38):
wanted I drop that info to youonly because with Daniels talk about that the
dream contact, one aspect of this. The thread that this hidden hand initiate
or individual said was that the reasonwhy these craft are seen mainly at night

(56:07):
and hovering or slowly moving over topof areas and places is because the government,
the entities, the aliens, thebeings that were in that craft were

(56:29):
farming star maps from our deep subconsciousthat we as you know humans here,
had stored in the deep abyss ofour memories cellularly you know, in our

(56:49):
subconscious bank or vaults, and thatwe had forgotten who we are or what
we are, where we have comefrom. Uh, And that they are
better able to access that information whilstwe are asleep and in that dream state.

(57:10):
And so it just felt so connectedwhen you know, the conversation at
hand that you were having was talkingabout that the dream realm as a distinct
space and how information can be therethat isn't necessarily, you know, something

(57:31):
that we're aware of, and thesewaking you know times. So there is
an overarching theme that I've been hearinga lot recently that kind of resonates with
me that our history is a lotmore complex than we know it to be.
Yeah, in that you know,the whole evolution thing. Maybe maybe

(57:54):
not, it may not be quiteas simple as that, if simple as
the right word, but we mayhave been even more technologically advanced in the
past than we are now, andwe've lost a lot of we've lost more
knowledge than we have currently, andso you know, and then it leads

(58:17):
into things like the Pyramids and thisand that, and you know, yeah,
well it feels right though it doeslike it it rings true, and
whether that speaks to our egos andwanting to be and feel special, that's
one thing, you know, ButI also think, you know, we
are are cut from a cloth toconsistently kind of doubt ourselves on that,

(58:40):
but there's been so much evidence inproof that we're missing something right, We're
we're missing several steps. There's athere's a gap in the timeline that isn't
adding up to you know, wherewe are now versus where we may have
already been. So, you know, I think it only goes hand in

(59:01):
hand. It's part and parcel whenwe start to consider those things outside of
the box. At least that's howI feel, you know, as I'm
kind of forming my own thoughts andopinions on it. And you know the
fact that the mind itself is stilljust like the oceans, we still don't

(59:21):
know enough about it, consciousness versusyou know, unconsciousness versus you know,
any anything else. So I don'tknow, it feels right. Well,
you mentioned the Theuba Prophecy, theepisode we had on the Theuba Prophecy.
Now, whether or not I believethat the entire story is accurate or not,

(59:44):
one thing that totally resonates with meis the possibility that these cataclysmic events
happen. It wipes out humanity asit's known at the time, and humanity
starts over, and that start overprocess could be thousands of years, and
in those in those thousands of years, that previous knowledge is gone yeah,

(01:00:09):
and then you start over from scratchand you end up where we are now,
with our computers and our AI comingup and this and that and the
other thing. But what if anothercataclysm happens, you know, and we
start over again? And well,look at the little mini cataclysm we had
with the pandemic. Right, Lookhow fast nature came back? Right,
look how fast? Like it allsaid, you know, we got animals

(01:00:34):
walking down Main Street, you know, you know, and the sky's clearing
up, So there's something to besaid about about that. And I,
you know, still keeping my mindopen to any and all things. Have
you, guys or have you lookedinto the box saga? No, you

(01:00:54):
want to talk about blowing your brain? The box saga? The box saga
B O C K saga. Andthis individual named e Or Bach and I
believe the gentleman that he gave thestory to. His name is Carl.
Yes, thank you. The boxsaga is essentially and it was this a

(01:01:20):
story of our origins, and thisone family was tasked with keeping this story
and moving on and forward with it. E Or was the last of his
line, and the reason or howthey were able to confirm that the story

(01:01:40):
stayed the same was by virtue ofthe words were not So you know,
how you tell a story and there'stelephone, right, and so like what
I say, you're going to hearit and you're gonna get my general gist,
but you're not going to tell itto me. You're gonna paraphrase,
you know. But with this storyin particular, the way that they essentially

(01:02:01):
framed it, it was by virtueof sound. So you would know immediately
if you hit the wrong sound orif you said the wrong word, because
it wouldn't flow in accordance with therest of the story because it's it's all
based on sounds. So for instance, when am I trying to remember,

(01:02:22):
one of the sounds that they weretalking about was like if you broke down
like woman, it was about uh. Then it was more like the womb
and in or sperma was about differentlike speed, seeds and uh, pangaea,
and you just have to check itout. I'm not any expert by

(01:02:45):
anything, but when man that Iwish Carl Borgan, I'm sure he's done
uh, and I know I've heardhim on some other shows like just even
if a minutia of that kind ofanswered some things or at least open your
mind up to other possibilities. Itjust it makes sense, or it feels

(01:03:12):
like there's this this ringing to it, that resonating thing when we start talking
about you know, hey, Ithink we've done this before, right,
And hey, aren't you the oldsoul of the two. Isn't Bob the
young soul? Or is it?You know, I don't know if we
figured that out. Actually, youhaven't figured that out yet. I feel
like you would know, though,Uh, I think we're both young souls

(01:03:35):
if being honest, still figuring itout. I'm so lost, you know.
I well, maybe an old soul, because I can admit that I
think I'm lost. Yeah. Oneof my frustrating things is that I don't
experience any of these things. Weinterview people who do, and I believe

(01:04:01):
it and I enjoy it, butI have never myself experienced any of it.
And for me that's a little frustratingbecause I would like to. Even
my wife does, right, shehas really, Yeah, my wife has
things happen. She's seen entities.Uh, she's she saw my dead aunt.

(01:04:23):
Uh. You know, but Ipersonally never see anything. And I
don't know if that's because I'm anidiot or what he thinks. That's the
issue. That's that's the bottom line. Check the box. That's fine,
it's fine, it's all there,right, I get it, I get

(01:04:43):
it. Yeah, I mean,well just the opposite. It's you know,
I'm still at a loss that somany things have happened to me,
you know, and that I've experiencedlike, well, yeah, what is
that about? So that's one ofthe open questions I have is that people
who tend to have experiences them overand over and over again, and people
like me who don't have any experienceshave no experiences, and I don't understand.

(01:05:08):
Doesn't mean I'm closed or what right, what's what's the there's a difference,
or if there's something that you couldlook at comparatively right now, I
need to meditate, drink could drinkless, Yeah, drink more, and

(01:05:28):
don't worry about it. You knowit'll it'll come when it's ready, or
maybe it's already here. You know. Look at what you're doing. You
know, you're you're spending your eveningtalking to and curating this information in these
stories from not only you know,experts in the field, but experiencers themselves.
And look at look at the peoplewho surround you and your family.

(01:05:49):
Right, maybe your role here isn'tto actually see it yourself. It's to
protect those who are and to providea place for that. I feel nice
now. Actually I'm happy with her. I'm a conduit. Yeah, like
you're you're yeah, then go you'rethere, you are now too. Good

(01:06:10):
job now, Donnie. Donnie hashad an experience. Yeah right, indeed,
well let's hear it. So wasit a ghost? Yeah, it
was UFOs of sorts. When Iwas back in the military, we had
this UH operation going on where wewent to UH right outside in like area

(01:06:35):
fifty one, and we're doing testing. Yeah. I was gonna say,
Donnie, you were at burning Manlittle too. I got my loincloth.
No, no, no, butthat was when I was doing UH.
At that time, I was doingPatriot Missiles UH in the army and stuff.
And one of the jobs was we'resitting in this UH E C S

(01:07:00):
Engagement Control station and we're monitoring likeall the flybys with the airplanes and everything
that the was being tested at thetime, and we can identify you know,
what's friendly, wats foe, andthen also you know these unknown objects
and there's a couple of times andall the stuff was being recorded. There

(01:07:23):
was a couple of times where wehad certain objects be on one side of
the screen that would show up andwe're like, okay, you know that's
normal. Next thing, you know, they'd be like all the way over,
so we'd track them like not evenlike milliseconds probably it was just like
super fast, super quick and belike what is that. And then we'd
have that a few times during eitheryou know, the day or weekend stuff.

(01:07:47):
And every day at a certain time, the people that were inside the
van, so myself, my lieutenantat the time, and communications officer,
we all went to got in thevehicle, went to this random location and
told like what we found and reviewedsome of the tapes. So that was
my like, I couldn't see anythingbecause all stuck you know and radars.

(01:08:14):
But in some of the times wherewe could get outside during like off missions
or whatever you wanna call it,we saw some of the bombers just like
fly by doing testing and you cansee all that stuff on the radar,
And I thought that was so whatdid you guys ever communicate it to anyone?
And no, So everything was recorded, so we would have to communicate

(01:08:36):
up to like HQ, but like, hey, we see this object.
It's friendly, Like what's going onbecause we had, you know, with
the Patriots system, you have thesemissile stations that generally have depending on if
you have like pack two, Packtwo plus pack three I think it is

(01:08:58):
the newest one. Now you havehave like four missiles or you have like
sixteen, and you know there's certainthing can go with a certain range each
one, and at certain activities wewould you know, pretend to fire and
it would act like you know,press the fire button and it wouldn't go
and say, hey, explosion shot, you don't kill whatever. And these

(01:09:19):
ones were just couldn't do anything becausethey were just so fast. And you're
on this yeah, you're on thisold like nineteen seventy computer where it's like
this round station with like neon greenand has like you know, unknown and
friendly and stuff like that, haslike a little V shape and you see
all this stuff with the ranges.I was like, so that's my main

(01:09:43):
experience with that. And we hadto we had to go with you know,
some of the air forces there,some of the we had some marines
there as well. But it wasall in this little tent and they confiscated
all the communications, so that obfuscatedit. Yeah, because it was like,
which was unusual or normal? Wellfor me, that's really unusual because

(01:10:06):
normally it's you have all the stuffgoing on, and even you know Iraq
and stuff like that, nothing wasconfiscated. Yeah, it was just you
know recorded and all the communications wereup to you know, battalion and stuff
like that brigade. But this particularinstance, it was like twenty eight days

(01:10:26):
of like internal deployment into the States. So it was really interesting. That
is interesting. We got you know, downtime, good efens. Well you
go to Congress and testify. Yeah, right, you protection requests. I
should probably do that. I havesome power requests as a conduit, I

(01:10:48):
have the power to give you immunity. But yeah, because it was it
was a lot of testing. Yeah, there we go. I was on
a rancher farm too, every likeyeah. Yeah. So it's like were
you like if you rock No,No, this was fifty one. So

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you have area fifty one here andthen you have what do they call them,
like ranch farms or whatever, whetherthey have like cattle farms. So
they gave you on there well,we rented out, they paid money to
it. And then one of thethings that I heard, I don't know
if we had to actually pay out, is like, so the cows have,
you know, the cow patties,right, those those little ship buckets,

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and if we stepped on or destroyedlike rolled over with our trucks because
we had, you know, ofcourse like these big heavy trucks and then
all the missile trucks that were withit, that each one we had to
pay like ten thousand dollars for rollingover cow patties. Yeah, yeah,
because it was like it helped theI guess area nutrients and stuff like that.

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Yeah, so you had to tryto like trave around. Yeah,
yeah, I don't know how likelegit it was right because they everybody said
it so and I was just youknow, at that time, two thousand
and four, so maybe like aPFC specialist at the time. I think

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those craft were advanced US technology checkingout out whether or not you guys ran
over cow patties, probably spinning outand then low fly bys apparently, Yeah,
wow, that's crazy. Must be. It's a fun experience though,

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yeah, because they did, uh, like part of that exercise was setting
up these like random like fake tanks. They're like exoskeletons of tanks and you
put like laser sensors on there.And they had like the Apeche helicopters shoot
lasers, and we drove around thef one fifties souped up with lasers that
could shoot like a couple of milesand you try to wait the lasers actually

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yeah, yeah, like actually theydamage or just targeted them. No,
just targeted. It's like you knowwhat the laser guns type of deal.
That type of So they had likethese fake tanks set up and they were
like huge, and you had toput all these sensors all around them and
you cameled them. And then yourf one fifty trucks were set up with
this big laser was probably like thisbig, like the canister of it,

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and they would pretend to like shootout and you shoot against a patchy helicopters
which could take you out like milesaway. Right, he has PTSD.
Please excuse him, it's okay fromthe two years. Yeah, such a
life. Yeah, I get it. Well, that's that's it pretty interesting

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that they came and confiscated it.Actually, yeah, they took because we
went to that tent and they tookeverything from everybody that was around. So,
in your heart of hearts, wasthat advanced US technology that they didn't
want anyone to know about? Orwas that UFOs mm thick are Yeah,
it's hard to pick though, justpick one. It was probably more of

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like some sort of like advanced techor something. Okay, all right,
yeah, damn it. I washoping you'd say the opposite. Yeah,
I mean it could be. Youdon't know, because it was just so
quick. I don't know anything likethat fast. Right, So have you
been following the disclosure and David Grushand all that kind of stuff. Oh
yeah, I mean definitely have beenkind of keeping my thumb on the pulse

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of that to the extent that youcan. I just think that, you
know, truly, like there wasthere really anything disclosed that we didn't already
like have pretty much nails frustration,Like there wasn't. The only thing disclosed
was the fact that they were disclosingit. What was disclosed was that David

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Grush heard from somebody else who heardfrom somebody elsebody else exactly in the fact
like, well I got approval todo such, So like that was already
kind of red flaggy in that kindof the sense. And so you know,
you can go down ten million rabbitholes when it comes to that,
you know. So in the backof my mind for a future episode is
to go in the past in thenineteen seventies and nineteen eighties, and I

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think even the nineteen nineties. We'vegone through this cycle of supposed disclosure in
Congress over and over and over again. And what is happening now is the
same thing, same thing, andit's just perpetual. It just seems to
go nowhere. And I want togo back and do the research if I

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can find the time, and maybeprove that this is just the same old,
same old time's the issue, whichis just another big sigh op that
they're just kind of throwing at usto you know, satiate our appetites for
a minute, or you know whatI like, I said, the rabbit
holes that you could go down,is it that whole you know, small

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disclosure, because there's something bigger,batter, or better on the other end
of that, like get them lookingover here for for X and Y.
So well, what scares me isthat the truth is frightening and they don't
want to let it out. Ialways worry about that, Like, what
if do you think though, thatit's you think that the truth is frightening

(01:16:28):
or that it's just a matter ofbecause let's at least and how I feel
is that it's not that it's frightening, it's that it's power and why would
they want to give that? Yeah, so I hear you on that.
I know that's a common thought process. I don't know if I believe in
it, just because the like,the government's really not that efficient and so

(01:16:55):
I don't I don't know if thereis, like if there's a hidden hand
type thing, they're so far removedfrom daily government operation processes for sure,
yeah, that it would come out, And I just, uh, I
don't know, I don't know.I see what you're saying. So so
at least on those day to daythe government that we interface with, right,

(01:17:17):
they're just still yeah, and they'restill not being transparent enough with us.
So I see what you're saying.As far as that being frightening,
you know, well, and Iguess what I mean by frightening is that
the reality of the situation is potentiallyfrightening in that, you know, our
whole worldview is completely wrong. Shift. Yeah, and maybe the aliens or

(01:17:42):
whatever they are, the entities arenot friendly, or maybe they're not not
friendly, they're just they don't givea shit about ours, right right,
Yeah, I think wouldn't you makelike an ant phise technology or something like
we walked down the street and we'rewalking on the sidewalk and we happen to
step on an ant It doesn't matter, So it's for us that would be
frightening if that's the truth, youknow what I mean, right, I

(01:18:05):
mean completely valid for sure? Yeah, yeah, And that's that's one of
those things you knock your head against, you know, And so I don't
know, and then like you,of course you I'm sure are you familiar
with like CE five and Stephen Greerand everything like that? And you know,
even in watching you know, Ijust think that this whole thing,

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this whole fabric is so intricate,and I think that whatever you know,
realm, you kind of dive whenyou start to consider the other, right,
or something that is unknown, thatthere is a point of how do
I want to put it? Youknow, everything is that it's all connected

(01:18:48):
in that sense, you know,And that's why you have people like me
with these different experiences, and andthere's a point where you do just have
to kind of that truth within yourselfand whatever that resonates with you. And
so, like I was saying withthe Stephen Greer bit, you know,
there was something when I was watching, you know, one of his recent

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films that felt very I don't know, like we shouldn't be doing that.
There was it just didn't sit right. And and so, you know,
as far as a feeling of frightor fear, you know, and so
I don't know, I think weare so much more than just you know,

(01:19:30):
this piece here, and I thinkI think maybe that would be the
scary bit, you know, realizingjust how wonderful we actually are. Know,
I think there's definitely some truth too. Well, the truth is different
than what we think it is.We don't know what it is. But
and that's maybe the scariest part.But I definitely think there's something else going

(01:19:51):
on, because I can't just discountevery experiencer's experience, right, something is
happening, you know what I mean? Well, and it yeah, and
it all defaults too. Really,it does come down to almost every road
you angle, you know, powercontrol, money. It all comes down

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to an understanding of the ethereal right, the etherics and those things. There's
non tangibles, the spiritual realm soto speak. Right, So I don't
know. So with the money thing, the one thing that I know for
a fact is that money doesn't actuallymake people happy. I know, if
you're if you're super poor and livingin absolute poverty, that money would fix

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a lot of that. But it'snot what's going to make you happy.
So absolutely not. Again, Igo back to I don't know. I
don't know if I believe that peoplewith money like Elon Musk or whoever,
Bill Gates or whoever are the ultimatehappy people controlling things, because I think
they're as fucked up as the restof us. They just have out the

(01:21:01):
hell. Yeah, I mean,yeah, well let's look at like what
else do you do? What elsedo you do to get your kicks or
your rocks? You know, Andyou have the ability to kind of dive
into the the every other avenue ifyou have the resources to experience you know,
this world, this three D youknow, corporeal physical realm so to

(01:21:26):
speak. You can buy your wayin and uh and every aspect of it.
You know, the only space leftis to go into that intangible space,
right and and plot around in there, maybe get your kicks that way.
I don't know, just some wildstuff. I mean, and it's
I don't know. It's all justan interesting thing to to kind of just

(01:21:49):
be comfortable in the I don't knowstoo. So all right with that,
let's do our words of wisdom.You've listened to the show, you know
we have words wisdom. Are youprepared? You know? I never really
prepared. Like I said, I'mjust waiting for Donnie to yell spaghetti.
Yeah, Speghtti forgot it's spaghetti.There you go. I should do it

(01:22:13):
in my Mario voice. All right, do you have words of wisdom where
you want Donnie to start? Iwould love for Actually, Donnie never wants
to start. He's googling his Uh. Donnie is an introvert. Yeah,
Donnie is an introvert. This isa big step for him to stay bag.

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We're proud of him too. Youknow, our baby's all grown up.
You know, baby's not in thecorner anymore. Nobody puts baby that
corner. All right, I'm gonnago with my old words of wisdom.
I've said this probably four times inthe past, but I'm gonna say it
again. The reality is stranger thanwe give credit. And we all have

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to have an open mind. Wecan't just discount things and think that life
is work, money, house,kindergarten, blah blah, blah blah.
There's something else going on, andwe need to be open to it,
and we need to listen to it, and we need to follow it whenever
we can, because it will presentitself if you keep your mind open.

(01:23:20):
Now, granted, in my mindis closed and I haven't experienced it yet,
but I believe, I believe anopen mind is a good thing.
All right, Donnie, you're up. I gave you thirty seconds to prepare
yourself. That was a good intro. I'm proud. That's awesome. Like

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that too. That's probably you gotto remember that. You can also do,
as I've said a million times,a sale of underwear Costco. You
know, anything is well. Ihaven't had to experience yet. Well,
I mean, I don't know ifthey're actually, you know, as good
as you say they are. Well, they are pretty good, I'm let's
say, but yeah, V extrapouch, the elastic doesn't fall halfway down

(01:24:11):
my crack. You know, canI say sports my swamp pass? Are
you ready? Yeah, I'll goon the side of I'll go on the
side of it related stuff. Okay, all right, I like this because
that's what I do. Yes,So for always make sure that you have

(01:24:33):
some sort of multi factor authentication goingon, you know, complex passwords and
stuff like that. So I havea million log hold on, I have
a million logs to a million differentsites. How do I have a hardware
token for every one of those guys? We should? You can get a

(01:24:54):
sponsor, right, They're gonna havesomething like you know, the you be
key, which is your hardware token, and then you can use like h
granted if you lose like last pass, they've been hacked before, yes,
data breaches whatever. Then you havelike self hosting where you can do like
bitwarden and they have self hosting aswell as cloud hosting. That way you

(01:25:17):
can uh access to anywhere. There'sother there's what happens if I lose my
physical key, so you can haveyou have try to get like one or
two or two actually, and thatway you have a backup that you can
store somewhere. Always going to registerboth of those devices yeah, So you'd
put them in the system and youwould resisure them, and then you also

(01:25:39):
have like a possibility of like twelvekeywords, right, it's like sand ocean
sweetheart. Yeah. Right, Soyou'd have that and that's your you know,
your password manager type of thing,and then inside there you'd have all
your sights and then they have generatorswhere you can do you know, any

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number of characters up to what sixtyfour maybe more, and then you'd use
that and then Donnie's a resident NERD. Yeah, yeah, I'm good with
it. It never keeps the same, it's always different, and you can
access it from anywhere. And liveddaughters, two daughters, Yep, I

(01:26:27):
could feel it. I knew.I knew I would have two daughters,
did you I knew each one wasa daughter each time. Really called it
out as soon as I was notifying. Really, hey, I knew it,
and I know that if the nextone happens, I already know.
Are you guys going to go fornumber three? We may? It's kind

(01:26:47):
of and you know it's going tobe a daughter. I know. How
do you know? It's just theYeah, I was right on the other
two intinct. It's the way hisboys swim. You know, I say
there's something to that. You know. All right, what are your words
of wisdom? I'll wrap it upand keep it short and essentially repeat what

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I've been saying, which is theone thing I know is I know nothing
at all, and I'm gonna beI'm okay with that. I'm growing to
be okay with that, you know, sitting getting comfortable with the discomfort.
I like that, so Abvi Loksaid last week. I don't know if
you've seen that episode. Yeah,it's we released it two days ago.
Don't try to be the adult inthe room. Be the child, Be

(01:27:35):
the curious kid. Always be thecurious kid. Don't like that. Don't
try to be the one that knowseverything. And that's coming from a Harvard
astrophysicist, you know what I mean. It's true. That's awesome. Now,
curious kids, curious kids? Allright? All right, Well,
thank you. That's the name ofmy band, is it really? That's

(01:27:56):
yeah? That's my second album oniTunes. Yeah, no, not yet,
but I'm working on. Hey,I'll send you. Thanks so much
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that somebody's listening out there. Icalled you. We're here, we're here.
We're the two people talking to oneperson, one person listening to two
People's correct, all right, no, but thank you guys for your your
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