191: Dreamwork Session with Daniel Rekshan

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This white light flows through you,and it flows down into the earth and
it just flows around you. Andin this flow, it connects you with
all that is the source of yourconsciousness, all of the guides, allies,
ancestors, spirits who are wise andwell and who can help you work
with your dream. It also connectsyou with the earth that really holds you

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in a safe field of groundedness.And in that way of feeling very safe
and connected, you can start toimagine what it's like to have the centipede
come up and into your experience.What's up, you, beautiful bastards.

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Welcome to the basement. Hangout.It's coming here from somewhere in American suburbia.
My name is Chadow me As alwaysis here. I am here,
I was here, I is.I don't know what that means what I
like me neither so with us tonightis an old friend. We had him

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on. How long ago? Wasthat like? Three weeks? A month
ago? Yeah? Daniel reshcan didI say it right close? Rekshan?
Oh my god, it is Itold you before the cast. I'm so
sorry because I you know, Ihave a last name that people can't pronounce.
Say it again. The correct way, reck Shan. Yeah, that's

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good. What's your last name thatpeople can't pronounce browning? They always say
browning or brown eyeing. Actually,your your last name is not difficult.
I'm just an idiot. I willadmit that. So it is what it
is. Uh. But anyway,uh, thank you again for joining us.
Just to remind people, you area hypnotist, a dream worker,

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and a PhD student studying et contactand dreams. We had you on a
little while ago fascinating discussion and weagreed to do another episode where we would
do dream sessions with you essentially,and here we are. And he's a
twin which is powerful in the world. That is true. Bob is a
twin, Yes, identical twins,twin power. So when you have like

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carnal pleasure, does your brother too? What's carnal pleasure? Man? Well,
if I need to tell you,I don't have that, all right,
So Daniel, this is your show. You tell us how you want
us to start and what we do. Oh yeah, so we're going to

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have a little bit of conversation aboutwhat dream work is and how to work
with our dreams and why we mightdo that. Well, then we'll have
an experience of some of you willshare dreams and then we'll ask I'll ask
some questions, you might ask somequestions. I really like these dream sessions
to be participatory. We talked aboutit before. Everyone's a dream shaman.

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This is what they do. Thisis it. There's more rigormarole and ritual
sometimes in other cultures, but essentiallyit's just talking about dreams. So I
really want to connect with that senseof empowerment that you're really as expert as
I am about dreams, particularly yourown dreams, right Like, that's the
thing that I really want to hithome. So we'll talk about why we'll

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work with dreams, share dreams inthese ways. Then we'll do that,
and then something will happen generally inthe course of the talking about dreams,
questioning it, where you'll have thesesort of moments where you go, oh,
maybe I did dream it because ofthis, or I've never thought about
it like this, or something willkeep flowing in that way and we'll get

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to a different perspective, and sothat that journey is the dreamwork journey.
Sometimes it is miraculous. It changespeople's lives. Sometimes it gives insight about
longstanding issues, and sometimes it's justsort of like, whoa, dude,
that was a weird dream. Weshouldn't go into that on public, public
podcasts or whatever. So whatever comesup is great. But right now,

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I think I'd just like to askyou guys a question in terms of what
your experience is in terms of dreamwork, like why would you talk about
dreams? What do you think ispossible when we talk about dreams together?
And why do you think we mightdo that? And then I'll respond and
add more, but I just wantto hear from you. You want to
start bub Yeah. So I thinkwe talk about dreams because there's a underlying

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shit in our mental depth inness ofour brain that fucks with us when we're
having Like so I had a nightmarelike two nights ago, and I had
texted Chad and Donnie because it waspretty vivid and scary. So I feel
like my brain's fucking with me forsome reason. I don't know why.
Okay, I like that underlying shitthat end bringing that Yea, it's pretty

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much. Yeah, that's the technicalterm for it. That's what it felt
like. Uh, and that istechnical. So yeah, I mean we
talk about dreams. I think forthe same reason, because we try to
get to the bottom of what itmeans for us, what we're thinking about
in the back that we don't bringto the forefront, but it's still there

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and we try to make sense outof it. What do I expect I
expect you guys to listen to mydream and tell me I'm an idiot.
So, but Daniel, let meask you a question. Uh. The
dream work you do with your participantsis typically because they're trying to get to
the bottom of something like a losttime episode or something else that's strange,

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and you're trying to maybe figure outis this one of those dream like entity
encounters? What if we Does itmatter that we may not have an outcome
like that? Oh it doesn't.Yeah, In any case I bring to
any dream people talk to me aboutthis sort of attitude, And this is

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the attitude we're talking about where dreamsare meaningful. Like you guys called it,
right, something's going on in theback of the mind that wants to
come forward, and that us talkingabout it brings insight about what's happening and
insight about the life in general.So even if the dreamlike experience is a
screen memory associated with a flying saucerand like weird whatever else you guys like

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talking about. Right, that initself is a dreamlike experience. We can
talk about that, and it connectsinto other people's lives. Like the screen
memories themselves. The aliens seem tochoose to form their appearance as like owls
or raccoons or clowns or like whateveron your imagination and your dream life.

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So even at that point, Ifind it useful to talk about those sources
of extraordinary missing time encounters as ifthey were dreams because they sort of engage
that way. So I hope thatanswered your question. Okay, this sort
of interpretation process I want to talka little bit about because when we're sharing
and working with dreams, there's acouple ethical principles of dream work that I

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have to talk about. I can'tmake as well. I mean, you
guys have a sympatico and a rapportand stuff like that, so I think
that's okay. But there's a coupleof things that I'll invite us to do
to really create an environment where thedreams feel really safe to come out and

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us to talk about them. Andthis has to do exactly with what Bob
was doing, which was interpreting mynightmare like a sexual tension. Right,
So this is why a lot ofpeople are distressed shrinks and like dream interpreters,
because they go, oh, yeah, tell me your dream. Oh,
I think you probably have like asecret penis envy castration with edible complex.

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You're like whatever, that's like psychoanalytic, that's like Sigmund Freud and stuff
like that. And so we're allfamiliar with that idea, and so we
have to say we're not doing that. That's only one aspect or one way
to work with dreams. There's manydifferent ways to even think about them and
talk about them, and so there'sa couple ethical principles. One is called

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the respect of the dream, wherewe respect the dream as a multi dimensional
source of meaning, meaning you cannotjust reduce it down to one source of
meaning. So it's not just sexualtension. It could be sexual tension.
It's not just childhood stuff. It'snot even just that it's processing stuff through

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the day. It's every kind ofhypothesis you can come up with about dreams.
You have to leave room for thatin terms of talking about it.
So one of the ways we respectthe dream is by using a type of
language when we talk about it.So when I offer my opinion about your
dreams, I might say, ifthat were my dream, I might consider

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the sexual tensions involved something like that. So that's a language that dream workers
or dream researchers have really sort ofoffered as a way to respect the dreams.
So so Bob might go, Now, if that nightmare were my dream,
I might imagine that you and yourlike college roommate or whatever, like

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there's someone there or something like that. But Bob was projecting your brother.
Yes, always, Okay, Sohow would you like to start? Oh,
you have more persons, I apologize, I've got one more principle,

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and then I'll just talk a littlebit about the process. The other principle
is the respect of the dreamer.So that means that the dreamer it is
respected as the final authority regarding thesignificance of the dream. And so we
can offer opinions and things like that, but we really have to defer to

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whoever had the dream. They cansay nope, that that doesn't feel right,
that feels right, doesn't matter.We have to just listen to them.
Even if you have an overwhelming convictionthat yes, the sexual tension interpretation
is the right one, And sometimesI feel that when I work with people,
I go, oh, man,it's got to be this, it's
got to be that, and thenthey go, no, it's not.

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And one of the reasons we dothat is because symbols are really different from
person to person. So like thelike the famous Freudian cigar, Right,
that's the sort of phallic symbol,Right, is a cigar and a dream
phallix symbol Oh hahaha, sexual stuff, but it might also tied to Cuba
or something natural, or tobacco orwho knows, So we kind of leave

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it open. And then with thatawareness, we do need to talk about
how dreams are triggering in taboos.So Donnie mentioned how it's connected to life.
Dreams are connected to life. Sowhen we start to talk about dreams,
we're actually talking about people's lives ina way that we don't actually fully
understand quite yet. So you justtalk about stuff, and oftentimes in a

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dream share, there's a moment wherewe start to go, oh, this
is what it's about. Oh,And at that moment it might feel really
sensitive because we're talking about parents orhot work or partners or whatever. So
it could be triggering of deep emotionsor whatever, and so we just need
to respect that and the way I'dinvite us to respect that since this is

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being recorded and stuff like that,if anybody here doesn't want to talk about
something, just leave it at that, be like, no, let's talk
about something else. Because there's alwaysa different way to approach your dream.
You just ask another question, thatsort of thing. Okay. I would
just want to give you one principlethat we have here, which is that

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we are kindergarteners, and I can'tguarantee you we will follow your principles,
so we'll try, we will try, we will try. That's yeah,
that's what they figured. That's perfect. I mean, and y'all are friends
too, so that and you havea rapport with your audience and that and
that's sort of friendly. So there'sa there's goodwill in this container. That

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feels makes it feel more safe.I think. To share the dream and
things like that. Yes, sowe'll have someone share a dream. We
can all ask clarifying questions about thatdream. I will then repeat the dream
back to the dreamer to make sureI understand it. I'll be taking notes
and stuff like that, and thenwe'll all ask considerate questions. Right,

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So we might want to amplify someof the aspects of the dream by going
like, well, tell me aboutthat monster. We might manage some associations
like what happened with the college collegeroom, mabe. And we might want
to imagine, you know, whatthese dreams might mean or how we might
start interpreting them. So I shouldhave confronted a bunch of things in my

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dreams that I haven't like in thedream, like you went up to like
the people and made them say something. Okay, Well, so how would
you like to Would you like oneof us to start? Are we ready
for that? Yes, we're we'reall ready for that. Actually you want
to select the starting person? Orsince Bob It has, you know,
Diary of the Mouth, should hestart? Yeah? I just thinking,

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I mean he's got the nightmares startof coming out. I did have a
recent nightmare, so should he juststart going? Or yeah? You can
tell the story of the dream generallyyou I invite people to do it from
a first person perspective, like I'min the night, I'm in I'm here,
I'm walking down a street. Thisis happening but however, you tell
it interesting, that's like to pick. Yeah, So just tell me the

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story of the dream. What happened. So I'm in a prison cell,
and I remember I got one phonecall call my parents like hey, I
need to get bailed out. Thisplace is horrible. And then the next
morning I find news from the lawyerthat I'm not getting out, like you're
like facing six six to twelve months, and I'm like, oh my god,

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I can't fucking be in this place. So I know jail, you
know, normally a jail cell.You go to a prison if you get
a long term. So I've watcheda bunch of prison shows, and I
don't know. I can't remember Iwas in a courtroom at one time and
then I had the sentence and thenwent to the jail. But I feel
like maybe that occurred, but basicallyhad to face in the dream that I

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was not leaving for at least sixto twelve months, and my lawyer and
my parents were like, we can'tdo anything for you. And then I,
you know, kind of wigged outand then meddled in it for a
little bit in the cell, andthen I woke up like, thank god,
that was a freaking dream, andyou know, just wigged out mentally
like, oh my god, Iwas gonna be in a prison cell for
a long time. I don't rememberwhat my crime was, but I knew

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I was had to stay there thatand then it ended. How did you
wake up? I woke up justlike wig the fuck out, like,
oh my god, thank god.That was a dream. So right as
you realized you weren't getting out,you basically woke up. No. I
meddled in it for a little bitin the dream, like so what did
you do? In the meddling?Just sit in the prison cell? Like
there was the did you have?Was there anybody in the cell with you?

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There were some creepy people, butI don't remember their faces, Like,
okay, there there was a therewas a metal toilet like in front
of everyone. So I had totake a ship or urinate or whatever had
to be in I never had todo that in my dream, but I
remember thinking, like, how amI gonna So for some reason in the
dreams, I know that there's youknow, you go to jail or a

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holding well. For some reason mydream, I thought I was going to
be in that jail cell the wholetime. But I knew after I woke
up thinking about it, I wouldprobably then go to a prison where I
would be raped or whatever shanked.So the fear was that I was going
to be still stuck for six totwelve months and there was no way out,
no matter what. It doesn't matterthe amount of money that people could

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have brought up, you know,and my lawyers like, this is what
it is. But I wish Iwould remember. I don't know if there
I knew my crime in the dream, but I was there just stuck.
Interesting, you mentioned a sense ofbeing sentenced, right the sentencing happened.
Yeah, the sentence comes along withthe stuckness. So whatever my sentence was,

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it was I was going to bethere for six or twelve months.
Yeah, in a cell somewhere,but I was in like a really bad
jail cell. Yeah. And howdid the dreams start? You were just
sort of there in the prison sawSo I don't remember if how I feel
like maybe I was in a courtroom, but I don't know. But I
remember this basically when I started freakingout and remembering when I woke up freaking

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out, I was in the cell. So I'm assuming I got sentence in
the court room. Maybe OJ wasthere, maybe not, but uh yeah,
so something occurred that I'm in thecell. You get the phone call,
well, which may not even gothat way in real life. You
really get the phone call. Whenyou get arrest, you have one phone
call. But at that time Ihad been had my sentence, made the

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call and then they're like, yeah, there's nothing we can do, even
my parents. So where was thecall? Where did the call take place,
because it wouldn't have been well itwas like in the cell. Well,
it's a dream. I was inthe fucking cell, dude. So
somebody handed you a phone or youpicked that off or remember that shit.
But basically I got the news inthe cell, like oh no, yeah,
this is what's happening. Here's yourshit. Six to twelve months.
We don't know right now, butyou're facing six to twelve months. Okay,

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wonderful. So Donnie, do youhave any questions clarifying questions? Yeah,
Donnie, I'm curious about those sixto twelve months. Is there something
possibly happening in your future or inthe past them. I don't know,
not that I can think of.So I do watch a lot of prison
shows and I watched the oj documentariessince he passed. May he rest,

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you know, make may his soulodd in peace. But so I used
to love jail shows. For yearsand years and years, I watched Lock
Up Raw. It was on MSNBCevery Friday Saturday night. So I've always,
for some reason been enamored by peoplein jail. And some of them
are super happy, some are evil, some are just doing their time.

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So I don't know if it hasanything to do with it, but I
was basically like, this is mylife now for six or twelve months,
and I was trying to figure outhow to deal with them mentally. Yeah,
thank you. So so now youyou've shared your dream, We've asked
them clarifying questions. Thank you forsharing the dream. I'll repeat it back
to you. Yeah, and youcan just notice what what that feels like.

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So the dream sort of ours outwhile maybe being sentenced in a courtroom
something like that. But you reallyfind yourself in a prison cell. There's
a metal toilet, there's some creepydudes around, yes, and you have
one phone call and you decide tocall your parents, and turns out they
cannot do anything to help you.They give you news from the lawyer.

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You are not getting out. You'renot getting out for another six to twelve
months. Yes, And so youjust let that sink in. You're sort
of there in the cell, andthen you start wigging out, and when
you wig out enough, you go, oh, thank god, that was
just a dream in your way.Yeah. I opened my eyes like,
oh my thank god, that wasnot real. Yeah, and then I

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texted chat cool, so do youhave So now we can ask a few
questions. So now we're in thephase of sort of considering the dream.
Now that it's in the space betweenus, we've all sort of had this
experience with your dream, we go, what could this? How how are
we going to amplify this? Imean I always think of dreams as messages

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from the unconscious. That's a reallystrong theme with everyone, right, this
means something. And so now wecan start asking a little bit of questions,
like for me, I think thisseems like six to twelve months,
where in your life? I wantto ask the question like where in your
life do you feel trapped? Maybewith a kind of like scope of six

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to twelve months, like what hasa shift happened in your life? Where
might impact you for the next sixto twelve months. Yes, I don't
know what other like in trap,how about your son who's like a superstar
hockey player anything six to twelve monthsin the future, No, I hope
not, or any other family.Well, but so my son does want

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to leave the leave our home assoon as possible and like, uh do
a specific sport. But it's notgoing to happen as as super expensive for
him unfortunately. But you know,we don't want them to believe the nest.
But so we were thinking like eighteen, which is four years away.
M Yeah, Sometimes I start thinkingabout the feeling state because sometimes with the

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feelings that you have a feeling ofbeing trapped. So there's there's like a
feeling of being trapped, and sometimesI start thinking, well, how these
feelings manifest in different ways as wellin the body, right, Like sometimes
you feel it in the gut,sometimes you feel like a flightiness at the
top of the whatever. Sometimes it'slike this is sort of like eh like

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feeling, But how would you describethat feeling as it manifests in your consciousness
in that dream? Well, soI was trying to figure out how I'm
going to live in like a shittycell for six or twelve months at the
time, like how am I goingto use the bathroom? Like is the
food going to suck? Like howam I going to get through this mentally?
And not like get crazy? Waswhat I was thinking at the time.

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Sometimes I just ask the question whatdo you think it means? Too?
As well as a way to getthe ball rolling, I think.
So I've always thought I would neverwant to be in prison, and I
watched a lot of prison shows,so I guess I always look at the
shows like how is that person happy? Or how are they dealing with it?
You see like murders on death rowand they're like they have a jovial

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or so it could just be thatyou you watch that kind of stuff a
lot, so it's in there maybeyeah, and then it came out in
a dream. Yeah, And soI always I always watch like, how
can you know? How are theydealing with this ship that they do on
a daily life, Like they goto the yard and they can get they
have to take weapons, and theyhave weapons hidden in case it goes.

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If I could just offer a possibleexplanation, yes, please, those people
have had unfortunately shit lives forever andthey're just from one ship experience to the
next, and so that's how they'reable to get through it because so you
but if we were faced with it, we'd have to get through with That's

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what I was facing in the dream, right. But if you grew up
in you know, Squalor, andyour dad wasn't around, or your mom
wasn't around, or your friends werearrested or killed, or you had to
sling drugs on the corner, andyou saw people getting shot, and your
whole life was disaster from the beginning, and you go into a prison where

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it's just more disaster. You arejust intangibly that's not the right word,
inherently able to live that process whereif you lived like you did, which
is a more of a normal existence, which we would hope everybody has,
and now you find yourself in thatshithole, can you survive? Right?

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That was the fear, like,how am I going to do this?
Mentally because I know I had thistime, right, Great job Shlman.
No, it's not a dream thing. That's an explanation to how those people
can possibly survive. That's why wheneveryou watch a movie and there's some like
white collar criminal who like fudge thenumbers or whatever, and he ends up

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in like a federal rate me inthe ass prison and the movies like the
Dude's done, you know what Imean, like the show Owes exactly.
Yeah, crazy to me, Solike a normal person would go in,
something happens, then they you know, get more charges than ever leave,
and then all of a sudden they'relike a staple of the prison and they're
in for life, yeah, youknow, or like shawsh Ank redemption,

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like the one Accountant dude exactly,Bob, you kind of gave a clue
when you're saying, like how howyou approach the prison shows? Right,
So you're you watch the prison shows, and you look at the prison shows
and you ask yourself the question,how are they making it through these things
that are so difficult? Right?In part what you're doing when you're watching

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the prison shows, you're you're contemplate. You're seeing extreme life that's really hard
to get through, and you're wondering, how can the human soul even just
make it? Or what? Yes, do you have a sense of if
these people are like not flourishing butmaking the best of it, or is
that do you find it admirable orI mean maybe I do. So have

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you ever watched sixty Days in youguys ever seen that? So it's like
people like us and we sign upfor a show and you go in for
sixty days and as a group,you know who you know who the people
are, you're notssed to talk tothem, but you go in a real
prison and then they try to sothe sheriff department, you organize your goals
like find where the drugs are comingfrom or who's making the hoots or whatever

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the hell. But some of thesepeople go in and then they're like they're
thriving. They don't leave, andthen they stay for longer and like they're
on like two three seasons. Soit's I'm always thinking like how the fuck
do they do this? Mentally andyou know, just you know, thrive
in the shithole for real And it'sall on a TV show, which is
always amazing to me. So it'sa very good show if you haven't watched

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it, if you like the prisonshows, I think if I, if
I could pull the thread. Maybewhat you're asking is we're getting to is
is there anything about your own lifewhere you're contemplating how can I possibly get
through this? Maybe I'm I'm maybeI'm putting words in your mouth, but
not that I can put my fingeron. But you know, life is
a roller coaster always, so younever know what's going to pop up.

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So sometimes I'm like, if thiswere to happen, how would I navigate
these waters? I Am going topee in my pants. I broke the
seal. Just do it, Youcontinue and I will be right back.
I've got a two year old,so he's this is sort of not out
of out of characters kindergartener. SoI was like, I'll just pee in

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the pants. I'm like, allright, go for it, buddy.
Trying to make it in a pottyor a big boy. Yeah, no,
that we were so so this senseof actually watching the prison show,
this is I this is this isnow sort of flipping my initial impression of
the nightmare, where I saw,oh, okay, there's something out there

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in your world where you feel inprison. That was the first HYPOTHESI yeah,
not that I can think of.I can't put a finger on that,
yes, specifically, But and thenyou provided a clue where you watch
prison shows. Yeah, I watchingprison shows somehow that's inspiring to you to
see someone's suffering and like make itthrough. So now you're actually living the

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thing that in part you find admirable. You're getting the inside view of that,
which for me, then I startthinking, oh, we can start
amplifying this this experience. We canstart saying, hey, you're you're really
connected with this kind of source ofwisdom or perseverance that you're at my out

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there in the prison system or whateveryou're leaving through it. And so then
this starts to feel like an almosta resourcing dream to me, where you're
you've lived through that experience, youcan start connecting in with that experience and
well, you made it through.I don't know, like for it seemed

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like some time in the prison experienceand then it brought your awareness there somehow
brought you up and out, sothat that sort of is now giving me
a sense that perhaps something else isgoing on. Then you're just feeling in
prisoned in your life, but you'refeeling perhaps this is a step of empowerment
or something like that. How isthat interpretation that sounds more Yeah, like

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I said, yeah, yeah,But so I always I always like the
when they go to commissary and thenso basically in prison there's no way to
make money. So people who whocan get money from the outside get the
commissary and then trade it for orcigarettes or hooge or like, they start
doing deals. So I always thoughtmaybe if I did go in so I

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didn't get to this in the dream, well, i'd be like I would
hopefully get money from Chad on theoutside and have like a huge commissary stock
and I just send you cards andcigarettes. I don't think they're even allowed.
I don't think they allowed that now. I know you don't smoke and
whatever, but i'd just send youcardons and cigarettes so you can use the
trade. That would be good currency. But I think that now they don't

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allow that, according to the showsthat I watch, But they used to.
There was a phasing out stage.Here's my interpretation. Can I give
my interpretation of course, shaman?Okay, So life, when you're dreaming
or sleeping or about to fall asleep, the little things they move up into

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your priority list in your head tothe point where sometimes you can't get it
out. You wake up the nextmorning, you make your coffee, you
do your thing, and it's noteven a big deal. Anymore because you
just do what you do because itwas a yeah. But it could be
that the rigmarole of life. Wakeup, go to work, take care
of the kids, take care ofthe wife, make sure everybody's happy,
pay the bills, you know,all that shit that worries us. Feels

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like a trap when you are ina sleep dream state. But if you
were to, if somebody were toask you in real life, when you're
awake, would you trade that forX y Z, your answer would be
fuck No. Yeah, that's agood point. I'll do it. I'm
gonna get through it. This ismy this is my life. I want

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my life, you know what Imean. So that's that's my interesting way
of looking at it. Could becompletely wrong. Well, the thing is
just like everyone's probably everyone's probably rightto some degree. I like that interpretation.
It feels good to me and empoweringand things like that. What we're

(30:56):
looking for in terms of like Isaid, you can interpret many different aspects
of the dream in many different ways. So we're now doing that. And
the thing that's really, you know, kind of important is Bob's experience and
sort of connecting with that and canhe work with this dream? I love
that you imagined forward from that dreamthat you would get cigarettes and money from

(31:22):
Chad. Yeah, I need that. I know I would need commissary stock.
So this may actually be what wecall like a dream sign or a
lucid dream trigger. So you go, oh, if I'm in a prison,
I have to be dreaming because Idon't. I normally not. I
normally don't go into a prison.So anytime you're in a prison, then
you can so yeah, explore andthe awareness will come in. Right if

(31:48):
if indeed you are dreaming, andthen that sense of working in that area
and exploration may really provide a senseof understanding and accomplis because you're you're doing
then the thing that you admired inthese prisoners, So get that commissary talk
to them. So the issue,So the issue is though in the dream,

(32:09):
I just wanted to get the hellout of there. So I was
so happy to wake up because itwas a little ill at the time,
like it was a shock, like, oh damn, like this is my
life right now apparently, So,but any any last words on this dream?
Oh No, I think that's it. I mean, I think that's
that's perfect. We can move onif anybody, any alien contact in this

(32:32):
dream, not that not that wecan see. Okay, I don't want
to cut it off too early,but we you know, we can move
on. Or if you have morequestions for him? What do you think?
Oh, I think I'm a goodguidance. I'm going to explore next
time I'm in the prisoner or thejail seller, whatever it was. Okay,

(32:54):
like stick my hand the toilet.Make sure there's not like a note.
So good, Daniel, good,We're all good. Yeah, is
there an you want to share?A dreamer is obviously ready, I'll give
mine. I just want to widyou do not write it down? He

(33:15):
told me you wrote it down.I don't need to write it down,
are you sure, because there's alot of details. So the thing is,
and this is what it was acouple of weeks after our episode with
Daniel where you know, in thatnight with Daniel, I said that I
don't typically remember my dreams. Ohyeah you did. Yeah you've always said
that, actually right, And thisone I remembered. And I was actually

(33:36):
I was texting with Donnie and Iwas you were on the text too,
and I was like, I don'tneed to write this one down. Okay.
It was super vivid. First personI want, I'm san, I'm
telling you what to do, allright, Should I go? Yes?
Okay. I am in a limousineand my wife and two kids are there

(33:57):
and they're there by face like Iknow it's them, but no, no,
they're in other words, I knewthat was them. You know,
sometimes you're in a dream and evenif it's your family, you don't see
the faces. Clearly. This wasmy family. And we're all in the
back of the limo and we're pullingup. We go through a gate and

(34:19):
it's like a fence gate though,which was kind of weird. It wasn't
like a typical house gate. Itwas like a fence. Yeah, Like
that opened up and then when wewent through, it closed. And then
we pulled up to a guard shackand the guard and by the way,
we're on a street and it's like, I I equated to New York.
We're like on a city block andthis like row House, except that it

(34:49):
was giant, like an entire cityblock. Yes it was, And in
that moment I realized it was myhouse. And I mean it was huge,
like Jeff Bezos would live there fivetimes so when you say the other
house of a roadhouse, is thatlike slums or no, like a building,
but the building was the whole roadhousesare like this, oh yeah,

(35:12):
like a tax It was like thatin a building, except that the entire
building, the block was yours.The entire block building was my house.
And so we come through the gate. We're pulling up basically in front of
my house, which is a cityblock of a city like New York,
right, And we're pulling up toa guard shack and the guard comes up

(35:35):
to the window knocks. I rolldown the window and he's like, let
me see your ID. And I'mlike, my d uh, this is
my house. And I'm looking atthe kids and my wife and they're like
they're scared for some reason. AndI'm like, no, this is my
house. He's like, let mesee your ID. So I'm like,
okay. I reach in my backpocket, I pull out my wallet on

(35:55):
my phone, I pull out myID. I show it to him.
He's like and I'm like, that'sme right there. You can see it.
I live here. And he's like, no, I don't trust this.
I don't trust this ID. AndI'm like what the hell. And
I like tap the driver on theshoulder, and I'm like, this guy
doesn't believe that I'm me. Thisis my house, this is I live

(36:16):
here. And the guy's like nope, nope, nope, and I'm like
even the driver no. The driver'slike, doesn't doesn't respond. The driver
is like a nameless, faceless entity. Driver doesn't say anything. The guard's
still like, no, I don'tI don't trust that that's you. And
I'm like, well, what doyou need to trust that this is me?

(36:37):
And he's like, I need somebodyto vouch for you. And I
go call and then I don't know, like it was empty. I don't
know who I'm telling him to call, but I'm telling him to call somebody.
So he does. He gets onthe phone and he calls this person
and he's like is this blah blahblah, and then he hangs up and

(36:59):
he goes, it's okay, it'syou. Now I believe that it's you.
You can proceed, And I'm like, what the fuck? And I
look at my wife and my kidsand they're like super weirded out. And
so then the car drives forward,pulls over in front of this massive city
block of a freaking New York house, apartment, whatever you want to call

(37:23):
it. It's like eight stories high. Oh so yes, nice. So
we all four get out of thecar. We walk in and now I'm
alone though, so we all walkedin together, but now I'm alone.
My kids and my wife are notthere, and I'm looking around and there's
like a party going on, butlike a massive party. And I'm walking

(37:47):
through all these different rooms in thisfreaking complex that apparently I own. And
there's like a room with a chandelierand like these reds sofas, like something
you'd see in a club in amovie, and there's people drinking martinis and
having a good time and laughing,and I'm like, who the fuck are
these people are saying hi to youor no, no, no, I'm

(38:12):
like just I'm just going through.I'm just walking through, and these people
are doing their thing. And thenI go into the next room and it's
an even fancier than the last one, and there's people having fun and dancing
and partying. And I go intothe next room and it's the same thing
over and over and over and overagain, and finally I just get really
super fucking frustrated and I start screamingat everybody, get the fuck out,

(38:37):
everybody, get the fuck out ofmy house like that, and people are
just looking at me like I'm anasshole, but not really moving. I
wake up and to me, itwas a nightmare. I don't even know
why, what the what any ofthat was? I woke up in a
nightmare, like why can't I getthese people out? And why are they

(38:58):
here? And why did that guynot believe who I am? Thank you?
So we'll ask clarifying questions around that. In terms of approaching the limousine.
Was it like night or day?It was kind of a seasonality to
it. Okay, nighttime? Wasit the guard like armed or I mean,

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what sort of presentation did he have? Was he like a security guard?
Was he he was a security guard? There was no sense of being
armed either way, like just inblack and every blue. He was it
was a black guy. He waswearing a white security uniform, like white
white button up shirt, long sleeveand like blue slacks. He looked like

(39:43):
your standard wacken Hut security guard.What the hell's wacken Hunt It's a security
contracting company. Interesting, Like ifyou walk into most places with private security,
it's something like whacken hut or whovouched for you? Again? You
guard called someone so when he hesaid that he needed to call, who

(40:06):
should he call? And I saidsomething but it was like in like unrecognizable,
And then I don't know who itwas Joe bid did, but they
did, but they did vouch forme. And then I could get in
yep. And you were perplexed bythis situation because you own the house.

(40:27):
You're obviously coming back home. There'sa huge party going on, so why
are they even checking basically, andyou're you're asking all these questions like what
the fuck? Basically is sort ofthe feeling. And then when you entered.
I think the confusion for me wasbecause I can kind of remember,
you know, those dreams where you'rein it, but you're also above it.

(40:50):
Yes, So I can remember havingwits about me where I'm thinking,
if I have my own city blockof a house, I'm driving up in
a limo, I'm apparently suber wealthy. Yeah, how the fuck does this
person not know who I am?Like, I can remember thinking that above
myself, and by the way,I'm not uber wealthy, so this is

(41:13):
way out of you know, yeah, yeah, And then your family disappeared
when you got in, maybe becausethe house is so big. I don't.
Yeah, it's like they were withme, and then once I got
in, they weren't, And thenI was on my own, like trying
to do what the hell's going on? Did you get a drink or no?
I was just walking through all confused. So were you disgusted by the

(41:35):
like people partying or you wanted toparty with them? I don't think I
know. I wasn't disgusted. Ididn't want to party with them. I
was just trying to figure out whatthe hell was happening, because you wanted
to go to bed or like,didn't have any of those feelings. You're
just like, what the hell?Yeah, that's it. Yeah, And
what did they do while they werepartying? Because some people dance, some
people drink, some people play music, do drugs. Well, the first

(42:00):
room, they were kind of likelounging, like Martini glasses, but they
were talking and laughing, and therewas a giant chandelier of them and it
looked like very elegant. And inthe second room there were people dancing,
but like dancing like very vigorously.Yeah. Yeah, sexual, not sexual,

(42:22):
but just like having really fucking goodtime, like dancing like you know,
I don't even know what to themselves, just enjoying themselves. Yeah,
but like more if like super assdrunk people were dancing, you know what
I mean, like caution to thewind type dancing, just going all out.

(42:42):
Yeah, okay, any other clarificationsdo you feel we need? I
want to retell you this dream andthen we can move into sort of Yeah,
one class. Every time you wentto the next room was more elegant,
more elegant or elegant or it waskind of like I'm malaria, but
I guess it was mostly just similar. Every room was super elegant. It

(43:05):
was three total rooms. Like Isaid, the first one was more like
a lounge, the second one waslike a down dance floor, and the
third one was like more back tolike a loungey thing. But every one
of them was elegant. And they'rewearing like black tie or no. It's
like I could like a a womanlike you know, long flowing red dress

(43:27):
like she's going to a ball,you know. Guys that were just like
not wearing tuxes but just dressed niceand smoking cigarettes or no, no,
there was no smoking going on drugs. No, just the only thing that's
in my team Martini glasses with allof like dirty or now that you mention

(43:50):
it, I do actually remember inall of the good ones do have the
I don't know if it was dirtyMartini or not, but I do remember
in all of and then you yellat them get the fuck out, and
then the people look at you likeyou're an asshole. And then you wake
up as if it's a nightmare.So they look at me like an asshole,
and they also completely disregard me,like okay, like the dude in

(44:15):
the shack, Yeah, in thecard shack, Yeah kind of okay,
all right, that was an aliencounter encounter. You were abducted. You
have alien babies. They're going tolurk in your house, all right.

(44:43):
So you're in a limousine and you'rewith your wife and kids and the drivers
there is a faceless driver doesn't reallymatter, drives you up to this huge
house. But before you get tothe house, you have to go through
this this fence gate. It opensup, but before you even go through,
that security card guard who's wearing likeuh, actually through the gate after

(45:07):
the gate. After I went throughthe gate, it opened up and let
us in, and then we pulledup to a guard shack. Okay,
through the gate at the guard shack. Guard comes out, He's like,
I can't let you in. Where'syour id? I don't believe this is
your idea? Is questioning your idea. You're at that time thinking how does
he not know who I am?But he's And eventually you get to the

(45:28):
point where you say, what willit take you to trust me? He
says, I need someone to vouchfor you. So then he says who
will vouch for you? You say, and he that's right, right,
let's do it, and he callsthat person. They vouch for you,
and you go through. Then yougo with your family towards the house.

(45:50):
But when you get to the house, there's somewhere else. You're now in
the first of three rooms, peopleare lounging, they're drinking, they're laughing.
You go to the next room,they're dancing very vigorously, and you
get to another room and that's evenfancier. Every room goes fancier and fancier
until the last room, where peopleare again lounging, and you yell,

(46:10):
get the fuck out of my house. They look at you with complete disregard,
as if you're an asshole, andyou wake up as if it's a
nightmare in the nightmare. Okay,great, So now that we know that's
an alien abduction dream, I thinkthe night and maybe write a book about
it, you idiots. No,So now we can kind of start working

(46:39):
with interpretations and thoughts and feelings andthings like that. So I'm happy to
hear anyone's interpretation first, or questionsaround that ideas. I'm happy to lead
that. Is there a particular questionthat wants to happen, Bob? Do
you have one? Or Donnie orChad? Do you haven't? Like you

(47:00):
go like, oh, I knowwhat this means. I just didn't want
to admit it. So my firstmy first thought was do I want to
be Elon Musk? Like? DoI want to be super like retarded rich
and have my own guard and fuckingfence and city block of a house.
And then my answer is no,I don't care about that, So then
why am I dreaming about that?So? Do you have sometimes do people

(47:23):
come over and they don't leave andyou want to like want them out,
but you don't say get the fuckout? No, did people come over
and vigorously dance. Sometimes that's donny. I mean we've had parties here where
people have karaoke or danced or whatever. But I can't remember ever wishing they
would leave. Yeah, you knowme, I'm always having a good time.

(47:44):
You always want to stay. Yes. And the woman in the red
dress, does that have any significancethat you can think of? No,
it was just an icon of thelevel of elegance. Elegance, Yeah,
there was no actual feelings lounging.She was standing up and holding the martini

(48:05):
glass and talking to some nameless facelessDid she had white gloves? No,
it's strange. I thought she wasm Donnie. Any questions when you were
coming up to the house with yourfamily and then all of a sudden they
weren't there, how'd you, Iguess, were you worried about them at

(48:29):
any point where you're like walking throughall these different rooms. It was just
a matter of fact, because nowyou're home, it's safe. Yeah,
it was just a matter of fact, like they were here now the or
not? What the fuck are thesepeople doing in my house? And at
the very end was did you endat the third room then got into like
a kitchen or was it the endof the end of the It was the
third room, and it ended withme yelling and you started this dream kind

(48:53):
of conversation. You said, youdidn't even need to write this down to
remember this. This is a yourdream because you don't usually dream like you're
drinking or something, so you don'tremember your dreams, is what you told.
He's always said he doesn't really rememberhis dreams in those days. So
there'll even be times, even thisis not often, but there'll be times

(49:14):
where I have a dream that's vivid, I wake up from it, but
then twenty minutes later, after I'veI've started my daily routine, it's gone.
Yeah. I couldn't even tell youwhat it was about, but you
remember you dreamt I do. That'sall I remember is that I had a
dream. That's it? Good orbad? Yeah? Like this one stuck
with me. Interesting. What wasthe feeling you had upon waking too?

(49:37):
Like you said it was a nightmare, But was that terror, sweat,
heart pounding, or just upset?Yeah? No, it wasn't physical in
any way. It was just likeshit, I don't even know how to
describe it. Anger or more likekind of like here, what the fuck,

(49:57):
what the hell? How did thishappen? And and then I went,
you know, back to sleep.Yeah, but the reason I would
say it was a nightmare is becauseit wasn't a happy feeling. Mm hmm,
you know what I mean. Itwasn't like I woke up in sweats,
I'm about to die, but itwas upsetting. Yeah, that's the
when's the last dream you remember beforethat is? Or is it just sort

(50:22):
of vague vague kind of years ormine super vague. The only dream that
I could tell you right now isfrom when I was like a child,
So tell it. I'm going togive insight because you don't dream often.
Ship really, I'm a shaman.God damn it. Yes, do you
want that? Daniel? Now I'mcurious. I mean, I know you're

(50:44):
hesitant. I know you're hesitant now, so I might even respect that sense.
Only I'm only hesitant because I'm goingso far back, like when I
was like eight. No, butif you remember, I had other dreams
that I've remembered for a time,but they were so insignificant that now I
couldn't tell you. Oh it's significant, But there's one dream I can remember,

(51:05):
okay, for when I was justto see if we go you know,
we want to cut it, youcan cut it. Okay. I'm
sleeping in my bedroom and this ispart of the dream. And there's this
shelf on the wall opposite of whereI sleep in the bed. But was
it really there in the room ornow? No, okay? And the

(51:27):
shelf has books and trinkets and liketoys or whatever in it, and there's
this like mouse or something that hastaken up residence in there and is like
moving around in between the shelves andstuff and like knocking books over and whatnot.
And I'm all scared of it forsome reason, and it's upsetting me,

(51:52):
like why is it there? Whyis it knocking my stuff over?
And in the dream, I callto my mom and she opens the door
and she's like, no, there'snothing there, and she closes the door,
and then I wake up. Butwhen I'm I'm talking to I was
like eight or something. That wasremember it, like that mouse was the

(52:14):
shelves. Like now, a mousesounds like nothing, but to me back
then, that was like a monsterliving in my bookshelf, which I didn't
even have in my real life,knocking shit over. Yeah, yeah,
okay, And so that's the lastdream you concretely remember before this. There's
other vague stuff that happened, youremember to them for a time, but

(52:36):
that's the this is the last one. That's so. Yeah. I would
just say that there's been plenty ofdreams I've had that I've remembered, but
that I've just disregarded over time,And now I couldn't tell you that's the
last dream that I concretely remember.Yep, Yeah, and you're in the
dream. Your mom's oh no,the mouse isn't there. But what happened

(52:59):
afterward? I mean, why thelast dreams we remember are always sort of
significant or something like that. Howis your mom's reaction to dreaming in general?
Like did that freak you out?I mean, how how did you
relate to that dream at the time? Man, that was so long ago,
I can't remember. I feel likeyour mom would be open to like

(53:21):
dream interns in real life. Mymom was, I do remember, like
when I had nightmares, she wasconsoling. Yeah, but that was in
a dream. She wasn't right,yeah, I was just in the good
points, good point So the dream, the dream just kind of ended there.
I woke up, like probably sweating, like physically upset. But you're

(53:44):
like, I don't have a bookshelf. Yeah. Well so this this dream,
right, eight years old, sortof spooky. We're talking about alien
dreams. This dream actually has characteristicsof what people abduction researchers have called screen
memories for non human intelligences. Right, there's a feeling, it's a weird

(54:06):
mouse whatever. As you know.There there's enough here where if I wanted
to, we could ask questions moreand more and more, and you could
build up this sort of personal narrative. Yes it was a screen memory,
Yes it was an alien, butwe don't I don't believe in that way
of working actually, but I justhave to call it. There's something about
this dream that has that feeling ofit, this sense of animal presence,

(54:30):
this sense of real kind of potencyto it. So that would be enough
for the abduction researchers to go totown and write a book. Let's say.
So, I just wanted to pointthat out, like like David Jacobs
and stuff like that. Butt Hopkinscould do that with you with this.
But now, I mean I don'tI have a different inquiry, that's the

(54:57):
questions. So but I what doyou think about that interpretation, since this
is an interest of you guys,like of which dream of the eight year
old dream of the eight year olddream of the mouse in the wall,
that kind of gave this sense ofterror. It doesn't resonate with me.
I just think of it as achildhood dream. Great, Yeah, to

(55:20):
be honest, good, good,thank you. So that's really important in
terms of dream work. And sowe've been talking about how David Jacobs and
Bud Hopkins took childhood dreams like thisand converted them into abduction tales that they

(55:40):
sold unethically to their audience, sayingthat that's alien abduction. That was an
alien abduction. You're telling me thatit's not alien abduction, but it's a
potent dream that was so meaningful toyou that you remember it and shared it
up until this point. So thisis a really serious moment. But I
just wanted to say, hey,thanks for going on with me and saying
it was an abduction, because that'sthis is a demonstrating that dream work is

(56:05):
meaningful, that is potent. Butalso it doesn't have to go into the
screen memories of abduction. I wantto return to your recent dream because there's
this sense I'm getting where there's thisidentity thing where you're going to a place
where there's a party happening, there'sa lot happening. It's you're a wealthy

(56:27):
person. There's so much there,but it doesn't recognize you, and you're
not necessarily recognizing it. So oneof the interpretations I was thinking of is
like the dream world in and ofitself, oftentimes like your dreaming mind,
you might be this sort of youare this Elon musk of the of your
own dream world sort of thing.Is the idea in that this vast kind

(56:52):
of city block full of partying peopleand richness and things like that, that's
your dream life and you are it'sit's millionaire owner, right. But the
security guard does not recognize you asyou come through, doesn't even recognize your
ID. And you have to callsomeone you don't even know who, and

(57:13):
that person that you don't know whois your ally in the dream world,
and they will they have your backeven though you don't even recognize them.
And the whole dream world is sortof recognizing you and receiving you, but
you don't even know why. Inthat in part, if this were my
dream, I would interpret it perhapsthat way as a really strong invitation from

(57:34):
the dream world to show you,hey, there's so much richness here and
all you have to do is justdrive in and work with it and call
on it. I'd choose your interpretationbecause my interpretation was I'm too concerned about
money, even though I'm the onewho always preaches that the physical material world

(57:54):
is not the most important thing.And you didn't like it when you had
it dream you were like, Idon't want this. Yeah, it felt
it felt weird, It felt itfelt off, like if I was to
pull up to I would almost feelguilty, like why do I have all
this shit? These people here drinkingall my Yeah? Yeah, right,

(58:22):
very interesting. That was a I'mshocked that you remembered all the details with
that. I was too. That'swhy I was like, dude, got
one. Yeah, that's pretty good. These sorts of dreams like the one
you just shared. I mean,both of you shared really potent dreams.
But the sense of like not havinga dream for a while but having it,
it's so it's such a beautiful giftof your mind around that you could

(58:43):
return to this. I mean,Carl Jung, is that you know Carl
Jung the psychoanalyst is very famous andstuff. He had dreams like this sometimes
he called them big dreams. Andone of his big dreams was, I
don't know, he went into likelike a basement of a church, and
it kept going down layer by layer, got older and older until he like
he had an encounter at the basementof this thing, and it was and

(59:06):
then this whole kind of cathedral witha basement became a rich, rich thing
in his life that he could relateto over a period of time. And
so in that way, I wouldinvite you to see this dream as a
strong invitation from the dreaming mind thatyou're welcome into that space, that there's
so much in that dreaming space foryou, and that you this fancier and

(59:30):
fancier and fancier. Right, that'sthe experience that's being promised from the other
side in terms of the in termsof the dreams. So you're really you
can keep coming back to that one, and it's in your mind now because
you can't even you didn't even needto text it, right, Like you
didn't even need to write it down. God, I'm going to be on
my like thousand foot yacht next time, Like even more pissed off? The

(59:54):
hell where did my family go?It's weird? Yeah, well, but
I my heart of hearts tells methat I wouldn't have had that dream that
to remember if we hadn't had you, because I can think of, like
I said, years and years andyears before that where I haven't had a

(01:00:15):
dream worth remembering. So and we'llsee what happens in the future too.
I mean maybe in six months youmight go, oh my god, I've
got this whole dream journal, allthese alien dreams. Isn't this wild?
You? I didn't have dreams likeit's It's not a fox, it's a
I remember back in the day whenI just closed my eyes and then I

(01:00:37):
woke up every morning. Yeah,all right, Shall we move on to
Donny remember first person, DON'I ima Shalman as well as Daniel chat person.
This one was even after we hadtalked with you guys, And it

(01:01:02):
was so like vivid that even lastweek we did the last bake news one
was able to tell Chad exactly remembereverything what it was about. But it
was pretty much. I know itwas during the daytime. I can remember

(01:01:22):
seeing everything so right and clear andall that, and I was sitting on
some sort of putting bench or somebench like that, and I remember having
this feeling in my arm and lookingdown at arm and noticing something movie a

(01:01:49):
little bump rising and growing, andafter a while just started pulsating and growing
more and more. And then somethinglike roke through the skin, like this
purple almost like centipede worm, likeinsect animal whatever, and it had the

(01:02:13):
main body was purple. The restof it like the legs and accents like
antennas that, but it also hadvery visible sharp teeth that were all orange.
So this purple and orange creature,and they popped out of the arm

(01:02:35):
just they're looking at me, givingme this weird look. And then next
thing, you know, it likewhites onto the in here and tries to
like pull itself out. You couldsee like these legs, legs moving out,
and it was, you know,just crawling out, and I'm screaming
and running around like and I'm sittingThey're trying to pull it off, and

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it just feels a little weird.It's fecture and stuff, and I was
able to sort of grab it startpoint and it's you know, it's pretty
long, and then I just thankit for some reason like I need to
get this thing off of me crazy, and I throw it to the ground
and it sort of like breaks intotwo. And now it's like almost we

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had the one that had like theface and teeth, and the other one
sort of like morphs into its own. Or now there's two. You know,
they're looking at me, and they'resort of like, you know,
creeping towards me. I'm looking atmy hand. Other little object start moving
really fast in the hands, likeup to the fingertips and visibly see it

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underneath. You can actually see itgo like all over the arm and up
and around. I'm moving around.I wake up and you know, I'm
on my couch and the ex Iwas at the time taking a nap and
on this couch in my arm.Wake up like like worried, I can

(01:04:06):
feel my arm numb. Why ismy arm feeling this way? It just
felt like really weird. And soit had a physical or you were laying
on your arm in your arm,I mean, yeah, that could have
been sometimes you know, you dolay on your arm or you have the
like fillow like this and it goesnumb and you and this one was very

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had that like physical element and thenvery purple orange creature like fighting and it
feels like I felt it. Andafter that I even did like a sort
of like an AI image generation ofthis thing. I tried it to sup.
I tried it like a couple ofdifferent times, and it was just

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it's it's hard to like put itacross there. So here's here's sort of
m m damn, and oh yeahit was it's oh you can see that
that's from AI. Yeah, that'sfrom AI. So it was it sort
of had like that purple like body. It was just a little more like

(01:05:12):
accents. It's hard to you know, you got to fiddle with AI and
stuff like that. But it hadlike the orange legs. Then you could
actually see the teeth eyes and teethwere just lit. But so it was
just very I guess being worrisome atthe same time because when you wake up,

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it was just you could feel thearm. That's definitely alien abduction.
Daniel, I don't think it is. Well, how did you actually,
like when you woke up, whatdid you do to bring yourself into a
sense of calm or how did youlike move your hand? Did it come

(01:05:57):
back to life again? Like uhyeah, So it's pretty much, you
know, stand up and I'm lookingaround the room like where are the things?
Yeah, I'm like looking down onmy arm and like checking, like
touching it and you know, movingit like this as much as I can
hitting it and make sure it's youknow, I'm really awake. So did

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you feel the needle you know whenlike blood goes. Yeah, so you
feel like the tingles and you feltthat? Yeah? Okay. In terms
of its its face, was itlike a normal insect face like a centipede
face or was there more detail aroundthat face? It was more like it

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had noticeable noticeable eyes, big eyes, and then also like hundreds of orange
sharp little teeth, which is normallike human eyes. Uh, maybe like
a mixed between you men and Idon't know what other kind of eyes,

(01:07:02):
but it was a mix. Maybe. When you think about the centipede,
I've thought about it before. Imean sometimes right like sometimes when they think
of ghosts or scary things, itdoesn't bother me or phase me. But
then sometimes when I started to thinkabout them, I get back into that
vibe and I kind of get alittle creeped out. In terms of this

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image, does that have a lotof capacity to become like scary again for
you or do you just like haha has that was the weird centipede?
Probably I love horror and you know, scary things in general. Anyway,
though it's more of the haha Ithink about it. But at the time
it was like intense m just Iguess in the moment, I don't know.

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And it came out of your arm, yeah, and yeah, that's
well the one, and then it'ssplitting of the two. And then the
black one that was going under yourskin that never got out. So I
don't know if it's time for mytheory yet. Well, we need to
retail the dream to him and wemove into the theory. So I would

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be happy to retell the dream orBob or Chad if you feel particularly inclined
to you can retail that dream.I think it would be better if Daniel
does it. He does do agood job, does a really great job.
So you're in the daytime and you'resitting on a wooden bench and you

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feel your arm and you notice somethinga pulsing kind of bump rising, and
then it rises rises, and thenit breaks through and then what comes out
is a purple centipede. A littlebit with orange features like orange little teeth,
big eyes, and orange kind ofarms, and it gets out a

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little bit and then bites your armand kind of uses that bite to pull
itself out. At some point yourealize you're freaking out your sort of working
with it, and you yank itout of your arm, and then you
throw it down into the ground andit breaks into Then those two little bits

(01:09:15):
sort of now morph into their ownthing and sort of creep towards you.
While it's creeping towards you, youlook down and there's another there's blood in
the hole, and there's another thingin your arm that's like moving up and
down your arm, up and downyour arm, and you feel pressure in

(01:09:36):
your arm. And then you wakeup and you're it's very intense and you
look around to see how's your armdoing. Is there any blood on the
floor, what's going on? Andthen his arm was actually numb. Feels
disturbing hearing it back, Yeah,that's what he said in then it's pretty

(01:10:01):
good to have a reaction. Yeah, just wait in lanes it back.
It's just a little more disturbing,And yeah, did I say that?
So then Bob, you were sayingyou have a theory. Yeah, so
I do. So men make semen. Semen makes babies, So you have

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two babies. Not saying anything aboutthough he does have to so, not
saying about the creepiness or whatever.That's what it is. Like a sperm
under a microscope looks a little weird, I would say, like a tadpole,
and there's like millions of them,and then you have another one breeding
in your arm. I'm thinking you'reprobably gonna have a third child. Mmmm.

(01:10:47):
Oh interesting, I think it's coming. That's the first thing I thought
of, just because you have twobabies, and you have semen, and
it came from your body and youcreated it. So the first thing you
do when you have a that can'tbelieve I created. That's interesting, this
human being that's now like a littleSo the two came out and split,
and now the third one is too. That's what I'm thinking, you know,

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because I remember the first time Ihad my child, first child,
like, oh, then this camefrom my body, Like this is crazy
miracle experience. You know. Ilike this, So I don't think any
of the creepiness applies to they.Are you going to break some news to
us tonight? Yeah? I don'tthink so, Yeah, pull out games

(01:11:29):
a week. Yeah, have youchecked your phone? It's turned off,
I respectful to the guests. Wow, that's that's nice. Yeah, that's
a surprising. And I had noidea your theory. I heard a theory
and I thought it was going.I had no idea what was going to
go into that direction. Somehow,when I hear that interpretation, I'm not

(01:11:51):
my body and heart and mind don'tgo that's not right. He goes,
huh wow, I hope they callme and let me know. I mean
that would be you first live on. That would be so awesome because it
would mean that there is some forcethat is telling you or having child,

(01:12:13):
which would be phenomenal because because normallywhat the I guess the first two like
I've known sort of like feelings andstuff like that, and you know that
they'd be girls because I got twogirls. But so far I haven't had
that yet. The only thing Iwould say is that the if it is

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that the experience feeling scary and negative, I can get it, because when
you have children, it's very scary. It's scary and like oh fuck,
like we already can't afford two kids. Now we're having three, you know,
that whole thing that always runs toyour head. Uh, but you
know, maybe the the visuals ofit so to purple and then a black.

(01:13:00):
I think it's a boy coming andit may be still in his balls
right now, Like I think it'shappened, gonna happen. Smart boy,
smart, But that'd be interesting everytime I feel like it's always going to
be girls. Yeah, but it'snot always the case, you know,
true. Yeah, Okay, Daniel, let's let the professional speak. What

(01:13:20):
the hell I mean? I wouldlove it. I let's see, like
I mean, let's see what happensas as uh, Donnie's family starts to
grow. It'll prove Bob shamanhood andthat'd be really delightful to see. I
mean, it's so interesting that correspondencewith a physical body. You were lying

(01:13:41):
on a couch, you're lying ona bench, your armor is hurting,
harm is hurting, or like thearm has a numb pressure feeling. You're
You're freaked out in both cases lookingdown at this thing. I'm curious about
in terms of you. You've mentioneda sense of other nightmares and things like
that, but curious in terms ofyour sort of sensitivity to the other side

(01:14:06):
or whatever. Do you ever encountersenses of presences or things like that or
does that feel out of out ofthe ordinary for your experience. So if
I could just remind you before heanswers that when you came on the first
time, he's the one who hadthe sensation of somebody chasing him like a

(01:14:27):
shadow person. It was the samedream, you know, over reoccurring recur
dream around the same time frame.But anyway, I'll let you answer.
So I don't feel like, youknow any like presence and stuff like that.

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So this sense of being chased andthings like that, that that Chad
was associating you with that, AndI do remember that that sense of being
chased the spirits, it feels likea kind of an intuition in the space
around that with you. You know, the implication here is that perhaps you

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know there's spirits out there in theworld, and that they're interacting with you
through nightmares, and that perhaps youknow, even this sort of centipede might
be a sort of a dream that'sbringing a kind of cloth it. So
the spirit interactions out there in theworld beyond the veil or whatever, we
don't know what they look like.Except when we imagine them or they come

(01:15:31):
through in dreams and things like that. So then our imagination puts clothes on
top of the spirits in some way, shape or form. And so then
the hypothesis here is that the centipedeor the spirits chasing you or the monster
chasing yours something like ghosts or spiritsout there in the world. Does that
feel out landish to you or doesthat feel impossible or do you goes doesn't

(01:15:58):
feel out landish? So if thiswere the case, right, that spirits
are out there, the real thingsin the world that sometimes have real interactions
with us through the dream world,which sometimes shows us the truth but sometimes
shows us the illusion, how wouldyou get to the truth about this one
dream? And what would that tellyou? There's an implant in your arm

(01:16:23):
half of the centipedes or like thecentipedes out but something else is there.
How would you then if you wereto take that possibility as serious. And
we're not saying it's it's absolutely trueor whatever, We're just entertaining that.
But if we were to take thatpossibility as serious, what would you do
and what would you deduce about yoursituation based on this time? In all

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awesome. I don't even know whereit would start, right, because it's
just honestly, I don't even know. Just maybe like nudge me in certain
directions to help, oh, likefigure out David Jacob's Yeah, figure out
like a path, right, likewhere would I go? Or we should
he try? Should he try totalk to the centipede? Things you think?

(01:17:10):
Oh, I mean, I lovetalking to different elements in the dream.
This is one thing that we.I mean, if there was all
the time in the world, wecould sort of even even open up the
dream space again through imagination. Imagineif it has something to say to you,
I would And because there's something stillin the in the arm moving around,
I would be curious as to whatthat is and I would want to

(01:17:33):
gain insight about it. So again, the sense of being able to go
back in that space, you cando that through imagination even on your own.
This sort of like go go intorelaxation, allow for those imaginations to
come up. And then oftentimes Iwill sometimes even use my conscious mind to
ask my unconscious mind questions like whathappens next? Or what does the centipede

(01:17:57):
say? No, listen, It'llfeel like i'ming it up. But it
gives me a little bit of information, and then you could have a back
and forth with it. There's acouple of I mean, I would love
to try it. I'd be agame for it. If you want to
try it right now, Yeah youcan, if you're up for it.
You can close your eyes now andwe can all sort of start paying attention

(01:18:18):
to our breath. And that's thesort of basis we use for any imagination.
It's just mindful breathing. And Iwould invite you to start imagining white
light surrounding you, just completely whitelight surrounding you. This white light has
everything you need to say safe andprotected. It has everything the centipede needs

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to receive whatever it needs from thisinteraction. This white light flows through you,
and it flows down into the earthand it just flows around you.
And in this flow, it connectsyou with all that is the source of
your consciousness, all of the guides, allies, ancestors, spirits who are
wise and well and who can helpyou work with your dream. It also

(01:19:06):
connects you with the earth that reallyholds you in a safe field of groundedness.
And in that way of feeling verysafe and connected, you can start
to imagine what it's like to beon that bench to have the centipede come
up and into your experience. Asyou do, you can allow it to

(01:19:28):
be whatever it is, and youcan move the stream backwards and forwards using
a magic remote control. You canpress pause whenever you want, and so
you can even use that now tofind the right moment where this centipede is
looking at you and you can askit some questions. So find that moment

(01:19:49):
and sort of press pause and thenask the question, who are you?
What do you want? Why areyou in my life? You can play
and just receive its answer. Itmight be like through an imagination. You
might really feel it, you mighteven hear something, or you might simply

(01:20:11):
just know what it says to you. It's taking a moment to be there
with this imagination receiving that answer,knowing that whatever you're receiving is the perfect
right answer, what are you experiencing? He also need to be more of
like a calm. Do you wantto lay down on the couch? So

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you got nothing? I think Iwas about to get something. Yeah,
I mean Aaniel has had so manygirlfriends. I could tell. I was
like, I definitely could I wasinto it. Did you imagine it and
asking a question? I tried.I tried to, like, you know,
physically pop up right so you couldthere. It wouldn't come up out

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like shake it. Oh yeah,yeah, this is this is so it
did not you you were you werein the imagination. You were following me
and it it actually didn't respond inthe imagination, So it wasn't it wasn't
presenting itself in the in the experienceitself. Okay. Sometimes people's imaginations and

(01:21:23):
dream worlds, they each have theirown idiosyncrasies and responses that in and of
itself is information that you can takeand contemplate and things like that I work
with. I mean, it's todo something like this is even approach.
It requires a lot of courage andthings like that. So I commend everyone
for approaching this and we're getting informationaround it. How does this feel to

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really be taking your dream experience withthe centipede and contemplating it, perhaps as
a real spirit or entity or somethinglike that. How does that feel to
you, Donnie, Oh, Iguess sort of intrigued. So this might

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be a dream that you can useto keep that sense of motivation or exploration
into these things. One of thethings that so we practice working with white
light to sort of surround you,connect you with guidance and things like that.
I would recommend because this has asort of gnarly feeling and it is
invasive in your body, to sortof imagine a sense of this white light

(01:22:31):
flowing through your body and clearing you. If this thing is a good thing,
or if it's part of your dreamscape. It doesn't matter if it is
some sort of outside entity thing wedon't know or whatever. But the power
of the imagination is enough to movethose things in terms of ways that aren't

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problematic. So if you have thesesort of recurrent kind of nightmare experiences with
things chasing you and stuff like that, it may be a great practice to
sort of build a just a halfminute of centering in the south, connecting
with those energy and sort of evenimagining a sense of So if I could

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ask you, Daniel, is thereany risk in doing this work? Yeah,
or in trying to interact with thesethings and get to the bottom of
it, Like, have you everencountered something that would be a negative outcome
from doing that? I? So, yeah, Yeah, there's danger associated

(01:23:42):
with it, meaning it's a crisiscrisis, the sort of interaction we have
when we're humans with disincarnate entities orwhatever, whatever your belief system is,
these spearits or whatever. It's sortof there's a crisis in the human and
there's a crisis in the other entitythat needs resolution that brings about this kind
of connection. So because of that, there can be sort of drainings of

(01:24:06):
energy or weird thought patterns that emergeassociated with this. This is according to
sort of shamanic worldviews, So thisis sort of an entity attachment idea that
would be us in the language ofcore shamanism. My personal experience and understanding

(01:24:26):
is that if these things are arisingin your consciousness, you are capable of
addressing it. So Bob's don't reallygood in adopting the shaman kind of perspective,
is like, this is it.That's really about it. So wherever
you're at, you can work withit, and you're equipped to do so.
The issues come from allowing that sortof pattern to continue. If you're

(01:24:51):
like if you're like, oh,this is definitely a disincarnate spirit and I
like it, and here's some ofmy blood life energy, that's where it
starts. Become a little problematic.But in terms of like working with this,
I'm not particularly concerned. We don'tknow Donnie is really open to this
sense of working with these kind ofgrounding meditations or explorations and stuff like that.

(01:25:17):
So I assume he's supported enough inhis own dream life and spirit life
to address this. Yeah, andif you have any questions or need clarifications,
Donnie, you can reach out tome, like directly, and we
can walk through this sort of stuff. But have you ever had experience with
clients who have addiction and the addictionis reinforced potentially by negative entities that have

(01:25:44):
attached themselves to that negative flow ofaddiction? Like, is that something that
you subscribe to in the view ofshamanism. Yes, so it again,
I sort of hear what my clientstell me in terms of their view,
and I work with my view,and then we find something in between.

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If some people don't have this view, I don't want to put this view
on them. Addiction can just beaddictioned. Oh and no, sounds like
I'm accusing him of being an actor. No, no, no, I
don't think back in like, no, no, no, I'm all the
only reason I'm asking him that questionis because he's talking about negative entities that

(01:26:30):
feed on energy, and there's acommon I don't know how common it is,
but there's a way of thinking thatpeople who are addicted to drugs or
alcohol or even you know, everydaythings like the bodybuilder who keeps lifting weights
until his bicep pops out of hisarm, like he even he's addicted,
that there's a you know, anentity that's feeding off of that and it

(01:26:55):
just keeps reinforcing. That's why whenhe mentioned that, it made me think
of that. Yeah, I would, I mean, I I tend to
agree with that. I would takethat in my personal understanding, I view
the spirit world or the other worldas like an ocean, a very tropical
ocean that's just filled with life,and it's teeming with life. And so
I like in like, we havethousands of bacteria and sometimes parasites in our

(01:27:21):
physical system, so too in thespiritual system, and they only become issues
when they become out of balance andare consuming too much energy. So there's
a vast ecosystem. And I wouldsay that in the in the case of
the addiction, Yeah, it's takingit out of balance and making it really
acute and visible. Yeah, well, Daniel, this has been fascinating and

(01:27:44):
fun, I must say, wouldyou agree? Yeah, it was very
nice. Yeah, I enjoyed thisvery much. I don't think is there
a conclusion we can come to.I mean, I just want to say
thank you all for just sharing yourdreams so only and honestly that's so.
I I want to affirm that aslike a world changing activity, as the

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some of the most powerful political activismyou can do in the world is sort
of share your dreams in this open, vulnerable way. That's personally what I
believe. So I want to saythank you for going on that journey with
me. In terms of conclusion,I'm not sure if you can wrap it
up in a nice foe. SoI'll leave you. I'll leave one of
you to do that. Actually,Bob the Shaman, Yes, Bob,

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I am so. Actually, Daniel, I had a question for you.
Do you believe that we have likereincarnated lives? If I die, am
I going to come back as likeanother human or a bug? Or what
is your belief on that I believe? So I have a complex answer that

(01:28:51):
I yes, And more so,there's I don't believe in it like life
to life. I think something likethat is happening. I think it does
show up in ways. So Ido pass life aggressions and things like that,
but I hold those as dream experiencesas well. So the actual interpretation

(01:29:11):
of if I die and then inmy next life all becomes something I'm not
sure, but there is something thatseems to endure and something that we can
communicate with I. I don't knowif that was a vague answer for you.
I'm sorry about that. I likeyour answers though, and I liked
them the first time we had youon because you know, you hear a
lot of people who say, oh, we know this is what it is,

(01:29:33):
XENU is blah blah blah blah blah, like they know, like you're
you know, you're conveying the phenomenaand you're not necessarily prescribing an answer to
what it is. And you know, I appreciate your researching, which I
like. Yeah. So have youever met someone you're like, this person's
an old soul somehow, I don'tknow why, but they feel older than

(01:29:55):
their age. Oh my god.So yes I have, and I've had
so In terms of my session work, maybe I think like some small percent
of people I work with, we'veshared past life together. That's why we're
working together. I've had clients havego through regressions and say we've been in
life together with this sort of thing. And I had one event where my

(01:30:18):
hand he was telling me this story, and my hand just sort of wrote
on the page. I was theretrust everything. He says, oh,
wow, this is a past lifeand I was just like, my hand
did that. I was like,oh my god. Like so, I
still don't know what to think ofit, but that dream experience we worked

(01:30:38):
with it was literally life changing forme. So I have had spontaneous past
what people will call spontaneous past lifememories and past life memories that have been
recovered through regression and through other means, and spirits have come to me and
said you were this in this lastlife or whatever or like, and uh,
those sort of there's probably awareness ofabout one or two dozen different scenarios,

(01:31:02):
and there's probably a proximity kind ofconnection feeling to maybe about four dozen
different lifetimes that sort of are actingtogether in this work I'm doing now.
But there is not a sense ofvisibility and there's not a sense of concreteness
around it, and the spearits havemade fun of me when I've taken it

(01:31:25):
to be much more concrete than I'veimagined. So and is that in the
dream world or is that like inreal life, like or any like day
day? How do you get thesignal like they're making fun of you.
Sometimes in the dream world, theyset up scenarios, They give dreams to
me, both in waking and dreamingstates. So like, I mean,
I'll be walking. I've this startedhappening a couple of years ago. It's

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like I'll be walking and they justdrop a whole dream memory. It's like
remembering a dream, but I justknow it's not from a dream, like
it's just and it's just this wholescenario where I'm just like I had to
experience and it is interpreted as ifI'm remembering a dream, and there's a
lot of richness to it, andthere's interactions and things like that and entities

(01:32:09):
in that dream fake dream memory thing. And so that's up in part how
they've communicated with me around these thingsas well as like I do my own
channeling work sometimes and altered state works, so words come through that sometimes make
fun that that that did make funof me is in my book Gallathog.

(01:32:30):
The grays Field Guide to Anomalist Geometryhas a lot of uh communications from the
other side that have made fun ofme. So interesting, I'm going to
get your book and read it madea believer out of me. So yeah,
sometimes there making fun. There areother signals that are not. They're
like real, right, not justmaking fun. So words of wisdom do
you want to go first? Bob? My words of wisdom are always carry

(01:32:54):
carry an air pump for your fuckingcar. It's a good one because sometimes
the ships low and I mean it'slegit, and get a good one,
not a ship. If you wanta good one, I'll tell you now
I have a good one. Yes, I love my cars. Is a
Milwaukee like it may it mainteen theirpump that's you know the battery. It

(01:33:18):
works very well and it's very quickand you don't have to plug it in
anything. They get go. Sothe quickness is important. Yes, that's
nice, very fast. Because Ibought a bunch of I bought a bunch
of ship ones like this like no, no, no, double this,
and they all crapped out and theyget warm and like read the proper air.

(01:33:39):
So all right, my words ofwisdom are paying more attention to your
dreams. Start writing them down.I'm going to try. But you didn't
write yours down. It was sovivid, I know, but normally I
I know I have more dreams.I just forget them immediately when I start
doing my daily routine. I wantto start writing them down. And he's
made a believer out of me.I want us to contemplation. So what

(01:34:00):
would one more question for you?I know we're in words wisdom, but
it's fine. If a husband hasan infidelity dream and they wake up,
I'll wig the fuck out. Andthen or the spouse has an infidelic dream,
husband, wife, whatever, thenthey're pissed at the spouse of the
other spouse because you cheat on mein the dream. Is there anything behind
that or is that just like youknow, oh it's worth talking about,

(01:34:29):
but there's not. I mean,you cannot read directly like like the ethics
of dreamer says the dreamer is afinal authority of regarding the significance of the
dreams. So what if they're pissedat you but you didn't do anything,
you know what I mean? Likeyour girlfriend or right, I don't like
Daniel, Yeah, me too.It's a little rough and you're like what,

(01:34:53):
like, why are you so upsetingthere? Except for like a daze
sometimes, Yeah, it's probably worthtalking about and having those conversations. Even
just because your partner is having theseinfidelity dreams doesn't mean you've done anything bad.
Right, doesn't mean it's precognitive,but doesn't mean it's not either.
So there's you know, that's that'sa conversation. I would recommend any partnership

(01:35:15):
to be so open that you couldhave fidelity dreams and talk about it.
It might just mean that your partnerthinks you're capable and shared of it or
so I'm gonna immediately like I'm goingto re listen to this and go into
the whole white light speech that Danieldid because I was felt myself like going
into it like yeah, that wasvery Yeah, because it's all the white

(01:35:40):
lights surrounding you, it's through you. I think I'm gonna start with that.
Sometimes people are meant to do athing. I think you were meant
to do. Yeah, even yourvoice, it's like I feel super calm,
So would your twin is your twinjealous that you have such a nice
calming voice, and you can likecourt women with this white light. He

(01:36:00):
he does sleep meditations that put youboth have on the app. So yeah,
so on an app. So what'sthe app called dream Well? So
dreamwellbwall dot com you can get it'sa dream journal app and it has meditations
and stuff like that. So Ido the white lights in your voice,
Yeah, my voice for the dreammeditations, my brother's voice, twin brother

(01:36:26):
for the sleep meditations. And whenthere's cost, it is a free trial.
You can download it. You canget three free courses, which is
seven days for each of the coursefor free, and then it's pay what
you will subscription right now. Andthen I think we're shifting the business plan
to be like ten bucks or twentybucks a month. I'm not one hundred

(01:36:49):
percent short, okay, because hemakes the decisions, not you. Yeah,
OK, that's okay. Yeah,sweet Well, I'm gonna check that
dream Well. And it's a journalas well. In the dream here it
is ye that helps with dream Recallthat we designed it so even if you

(01:37:11):
don't record your dreams word by word, even if you just say how much
you dream, that's scientifically proven tohelp you dream more. So that's why
we designed it that way. Noware you the Are you the web designer?
My brother did the design for this, so I am the chief.
You look nothing like that picture,dude. Can you change that? Brother?

(01:37:32):
No, that's him. I knowI'm joking. That's his brother,
William. Okay, go go goback up to Daniel. You look nothing
like that. I know that I'llchange that soon. My hair is much
longer. Please change that. Yeah. I was like, this guy's an
imposter when I first saw it.Here it is. No, that's cool.

(01:37:56):
So Google Play or Android people orApple people got them both covered.
Dream well today. Nice well,thank you for not pumping in it coming
out organically, but that's amazing.So congratulations, which, by the way,
feel free to pump it. UhDonny words of wisdom? What away

(01:38:16):
the electronics? Go outside, enjoysome sunlight, no fresh oxygen, Vitamin
D, explore a little bit greatof outside and the people around you.
I like it, So to getthe Vitamin D, do I take my
shirt off or do you think myarms get it? Seriously, I didn't
go naked because my doctor I hadblood. He was like, you know,

(01:38:41):
bloo, Johnny's like I think Actually, you can get most of the
vitamin D just through your head ifwe're bald, in your face, even
if you're not bald, shave yourhead right, But does it go through
your hair? It doesn't make sense. Yeah, yeah, it's strong enough
and your face and your neck.You're good. Just get my shirt off,
just go out there. I likethose words of wisdom. Donnie.
You were quick on the draw tonight. He's all done, well done,

(01:39:03):
try but surely right, you're almostYou're there, you're pretty much there.
Actually, all right, Daniel,what do you have for us? These
words of wisdom are inspired by you. Guys. Trust your dreams, even
if they're nightmares. Oh the nightmares. I hate to have to trust my
nightmares. Now. I hope thatI remember my Like I had friends,

(01:39:26):
you say they always flying their dreams. I couldn't do it. I haven't
done it that I remember. Theywould like go places, maybe like maybe
they were astral projecting. Yeah,maybe actually projected. I don't know.
But like in college I had afriend who always did and he was all
excited telling me about the next day. I'm like, dude, it was
a dream. Like, I'm gladhe was projected. I'm glad you flew
Like Daniel, have you asked forprojected? Yeah? Yeah, did we
talk about that last time? Yeah, asked that question. Okay. But

(01:39:50):
so now I hope in my dreamI can be like, I'm gonna confront
the scary thing in the room orwherever I am and be like, what
what are you doing here? Youknow, like, what the fuck?
Why am I arrested? Let meout of this ship or whatever? That
would be interesting, But who areyou going to confront? Well, whatever
my nightmare is. Yeah, butthere's gonna be an entity there to confront,

(01:40:10):
well, whatever it is in thattime, you know what I mean.
But there was like a nameless,faceless cellmate. Oh yeah, and
they were near the toilet. Thephone was like man magically handed to you
in your cell. So who areyou going to confront? I was,
well, I was more picturing ona story somewhere. But I don't know
if I'm not talking about my pastdreams, just my future dreams, and

(01:40:31):
I'm gonna have to address whatever thescary thing is that to then, like
the senatepie, he's gonna be like, what the fuck are you doing dude?
Or it you need to buy weneed to buy some journals. What
if it just like SLINKs away,like, oh my god, once you
confront it, yes, yeah,that means you you conquered it. Now
you're a champion like me. Allright, you're my daddy. What you

(01:41:01):
open up? I've never thought aboutthat because you I always want to get
out, but I've never like,yeah, well yeah, because you just
want to. I'm like, hopeyou want to. In my dream,
I'm going to uh start partying withthe people. I think. So I
thought I wanted to be like Igot a drink and then it was a
great time. Like because you're you'rea party person. I don't I usually

(01:41:21):
I would. I don't know why. In my dream I was like you
assholes, like miss can you ladyin the red dress? Can you please
make me a Martini dirty extra?Yeah, Daniel, thank you so much.
We really enjoyed this and uh so, yes, we would love to

(01:41:42):
do this with Casey. Her storiesare way more interesting than ours. Although
I will give Donnie's top notch forthe night. Wouldn't you agree that?
Yeah? That was uh yeah,I like that and he had ai im
the dream. Yeah that was supermoney face my hang out out any an

(01:43:18):
any any thing that ere the basingof thin and and and and and sh

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