CORY RICHARDS: From Everest to Enlightenment | EPISODE 19 - The BASIC Show

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SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
There's a place inside you that is always at

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peace, always at rest.
But ultimately, that externalvalidation will never, ever,
ever sustain you.
It will never give you whatyou're actually looking for.
So the system that we've createdis upsetting to me because it's
making us more sick.
You have to love yourself fullybefore you can love somebody

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else truly.
What a bunch of fuckingbullshit.
There is no hope without fear.
Um, there is no pride withoutshame, and they rely on each
other in these ways.
We cannot fundamentally beoutside of nature.
So when we look around, we candefault to that.
This is all fucking stardust anda collection of atoms cascading

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over each other.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
We are at season four, shooting today at the 405
motoring.
Very cool location.
You might hear some planes, youmight hear some cars driving.
So you guys will feel part ofthe set and having this
immersive experience.
And today I have a very specialguest that I was very, very
looking forward to interviews,Corey Richards over here.

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Corey, welcome to the basicshow.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33):
Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
So Corey is an award-winning, world-known
National Geographicphotographer, filmmaker, writer.
Um, I probably would call you uma restless spirit.

SPEAKER_02 (01:45):
Yeah, a restless spirit.
I'll take that.
We'll take that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48):
I feel like your spirit never rests, and you
always test yourself and chaseum chaos, I don't know, chase
adventure, which we're gonnatalk about today on this
episode.
Welcome.

SPEAKER_03 (01:59):
Thanks.
Thanks.
This is great.
This is uh a totally unique,different environment than I've
ever done a podcast.
Wow, it's a it's really cool,right?

SPEAKER_00 (02:09):
It's an honor.
And it was actually accidentallyhow things came along, but you
know, I believe accidents do nothappen.
Accidents happen for a reason.

SPEAKER_03 (02:16):
Do you do you actually believe in accidents?

SPEAKER_00 (02:18):
I do believe in accidents.
Some d some accidents could bedivine, some accidents could be
just accidents.
Yeah.
I don't like to overthink that.
What do you what do you what doyou believe?

SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
I don't I I used to believe in accidents, but now
well, A, I don't want toovercomplicate it either, but I
I kind of don't believe inaccidents anymore.
In the same way I don't believein timing.
We always say, like, oh, thetiming was no, the timing was
exactly what it was, and that'sit.
Instead of like the timingdidn't agree with what we

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wanted, that's a differentthing.
But timing is always on time.

SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
So I just don't believe like But see, accidents
wouldn't happen if you don't doanything.
You have to do something for theaccidents to happen.

SPEAKER_01 (03:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (03:01):
If you just sit around in the house, I don't
believe accidents, I mean, yourhouse may lick.

SPEAKER_05 (03:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (03:07):
Or your house, you know, something might happen to
your house, but life-wise,nothing's gonna happen.
So you have to put yourselfintentionally, uh
unintentionally in certainsituations for the accidents to
happen.

SPEAKER_02 (03:17):
For sure.

SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
So you have to be active.
I mean, in my mind, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (03:22):
I just wonder if it's more they're just uh it is
literally just life happening,and accidents are are because I
guess accident impliessomething, maybe there's a
negative connotation in my head.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (03:37):
Well, look how we met, right?

SPEAKER_03 (03:39):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (03:39):
I know Xenia.
Yeah, we known each other fornine years.
She heard about my podcast andshe said, you know what?
I just yesterday literally madethis incredible guy, Corey
Richards, and I'm sorry, Ididn't know much about you
because I'm from a degree.
Why would you?
Yeah.
I mean, you you're famous,right?

SPEAKER_03 (03:55):
I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_00 (03:56):
Well, for our for our viewers and listeners, Corey
is the first American whosummits the Everest without
supplement of oxygen, right?

SPEAKER_03 (04:05):
So I I I've summited Everest without supplemental
oxygen.
About 200 people have done that.
I'm the first and only Americanto climb one of the high the
world's highest peaks in wintercalled Gashabram II.

SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
Gotcha.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (04:18):
So that's in Pakistan.
But yes, both are true.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
So hey, uh these are the facts I have, but thank you
for clarifying.
So what was the mountain inPakistan?

SPEAKER_03 (04:27):
It's called Gashabram II.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (04:32):
So so in the world, there are 14 peaks that are
above 8,000 meters.
So above 26,240 feet.
And uh nine of them are inNepal, eight of them in Nepal,
uh Tibet, one in India, and thenfive of them are in Pakistan.
And all of those in the southernarea had been climbed in winter,

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but the five in Pakistan neverhad, and we went uh in 2010-11,
the winter, and and managed todo the first winter ascent,
which is basically just stupid.

SPEAKER_00 (05:05):
So when you say we, who was with you?

SPEAKER_03 (05:07):
I was with an Italian climber named Simone
Moro.

SPEAKER_00 (05:10):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (05:10):
Uh, and a uh Russian-born Khazet climber
named Denis Rutko.
Uh, and it was just the three ofus.

SPEAKER_00 (05:18):
Okay.
When you said we, I thoughtmaybe you and your other
personalities.

SPEAKER_03 (05:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:24):
I'm like, me, myself, and I.
You know, like who are we?
That's amazing.
That's in the room right now.

SPEAKER_03 (05:31):
Yeah, me and my other schizophrenic
personalities.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:33):
So speaking of that, you know, you have I mean, I'm
jumping from topic to topic, butI guess that's how I speak.
So you wrote two books, right?
One of them is called Bipolar.
Yeah.
So can you share about how thatbook came across and how it is
connected with uh your uh yourlife?

SPEAKER_03 (05:50):
Yeah, so uh I I grew up in Salt Lake City, Utah, and
um I in my adolescence my lifesort of derailed in a really
fantastic, fucked up way.
And I ended up beinginstitutionalized and being put
in long-term care facilities,and then I ended up most like

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homeless, but usually not on thestreet, but there were times
where I was on the street.
Um and in that that period I wasdiagnosed with bipolar, uh
bipolar two.
And so that that narrative andthat diagnosis has really
informed and colored a lot of mylife.
Um and for a long time I Ileaned into it as sort of a

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narrative of brokenness andsomething was fundamentally
flawed with my mind.
Um and I think that's one of thethings that we do with mental
health is we we uh we sort ofbuy into a story of fundamental
deficit or or that something isinherently wrong with us, and I
actually don't I don't believethat anymore.

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But the book title, Bipolar, umis is the title of my photo
book, and I realized as I wasputting it together that uh I
had photographed from the Arcticto Antarctica.

SPEAKER_01 (07:13):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 (07:14):
So I had photographed both poles, and
then rather than organizing thephoto book with uh in terms of
geographic location, I organizedit in terms of emotional
polarities.

SPEAKER_00 (07:25):
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (07:25):
To explore, like, look, there is no hope without
fear.
Um, there is no pride withoutshame, and they rely on each
other in these ways.
Uh and and then I put thestories from my work in into
those categories.

SPEAKER_00 (07:41):
Right.
You kind of also played on thesemantics, so you had by uh
hyphen polar.

SPEAKER_01 (07:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:47):
And the I mean I haven't seen the book, but I've
seen some of the pictures.
One of them was the polar bear.

SPEAKER_05 (07:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
It was incredible, and I and I saw bipolar, I'm
like, okay, it's actually verysmart.
Yeah, you came up with the name,it's you know, double meaning,
the double entendre.

SPEAKER_03 (08:02):
It's funny too, because the other book, they're
really I talk about them,they're they're basically the
same book.

SPEAKER_05 (08:07):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (08:08):
And the other one is ironically called the color of
everything.

SPEAKER_05 (08:12):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (08:13):
So it's not black and white.

SPEAKER_05 (08:14):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 (08:15):
In fact, it explores the fact that the world doesn't
exist.
There are no black and whites inthe world, it's all shades of
gray.
And and yet, and and also likethe cover of bipolar is black.
The cover of the color ofeverything is white, and one is
the external expression of thethe art that that the mind

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created and the heart created,and then the other is the
internal exploration that wasdriving it.
So they're actually they're thesame fucking book.

SPEAKER_00 (08:45):
Well, because it's you, right?
I mean, it's you.
I mean, you cannot come outsomething outside of your own
mind.

SPEAKER_03 (08:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (08:51):
Wow, that's incredible.
So these two books, uh, butcorrect me if I'm wrong, the
second book, the bipolar, areyou sharing your own thoughts,
uh accompanying by thephotographs?

SPEAKER_03 (09:03):
There are yeah, a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 (09:05):
A little bit, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (09:05):
Yeah, it's more introductions to each story that
kind of place you in the world.

SPEAKER_05 (09:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (09:11):
Um, but really the the the thoughts and the depth
of the sort of the fucked uppath and the beautiful path is
really in the color ofeverything.

SPEAKER_00 (09:24):
So, how did you even come up with that?
I mean, like you said, havingsuch background and previous
experience, right, and facing somany challenges, you know,
physical, emotional,health-wise, how did you even
get to the point that, you know,you're not just an adventurer,
you actually want and youphilosophize so well, you know,
you put in words suchbeautifully your emotions and

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your thoughts.
Not everybody can do that.
So anything that helped you toform, you know, your idea of
life and be able to expressyourself through art and through
words, how did you come along?

SPEAKER_03 (09:58):
I think, you know, I dropped out of high school
partly because I think I wasbored.
I don't think our educationsystem works for everybody,
especially very active minds.
And so what I would say is thatit's not an inherent, and and
you didn't even say this, but II people it's not a gift.

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It's it's just that I'm curious.
And I think the more curious weare, the more informed we
become, and the more varied ourideas about the world become.
And it's actually challengingbecause when we're not curious,
we're very certain about things.
And when we get curious, we'rechallenged to let go of that

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certainty, which is veryuncomfortable.
Um, and so I think thearticulation of these things has
just it's come through practicemore than anything else, where
I'm where I'm literally justtrying to sort through my own
fucking crazy thoughts andfigure out how do I express
this?

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Because it needs to come out ofme, even if nobody's listening,
and it has to be expressed,right?

SPEAKER_00 (11:07):
So, um So what are you expecting in return, right?
When you express yourself?
Are you expecting, you know,recognition, you know, you want
to establish yourself and beheard?
Like what are you expecting whenyou put your art out there?
Why are you doing this?

SPEAKER_03 (11:23):
What a beautiful fucking oh, I love that
question.
For a long time, I think it wasvalidation because I carried a
story of flaw.
I thought, you know, this thisthe story that I had learned
about myself was something waswrong with me and wrong with my
mind, um, and that my mind wasdangerous, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
You know, I feel like, sorry to interrupt you,
but I feel people who actuallythere's something wrong with
them, they never would admit it.
By you acknowledging it.

SPEAKER_03 (11:53):
There's a lot wrong with me.

SPEAKER_00 (11:55):
I feel like I don't know, not many people will admit
it.
They will never admit ignorance,they will never admit there's
something wrong with them.

SPEAKER_03 (12:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:02):
But you have that next level of wisdom, right?
You I don't know if you'reoverthinking.

SPEAKER_03 (12:06):
I probably I overthink everything.
Um I think I, you know, I earlyon it really was deeply about
validation, and and I wanted tobe recognized because I wanted
specifically coming from theplace of I don't feel valuable,
you know, especially when you'reyou're put in institutions and

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you're it you're treated in avery specific way.
It's from the best intentions,usually.
People want to help, but that'snot what gets translated to you,
especially as you're formingyour thoughts about yourself and
you're forming your identity.
So for a long time it was aboutvalidation, but but the way I've
shifted that is to make it anact of service.

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So it really, I try not to makeit ever about me, but rather
offering my experience so thatothers might feel less alone in
theirs.
And I think that is the power ofstorytelling.
That's why we tell stories, isto invite other people into a

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more comprehensive and hopefullymore compassionate understanding
of themselves and all of ourmessiness and all of our
contradictions and all of ourhypocrisies and all of the
cataclysmic mistakes we make andthe ways we hurt other people.
Because if we can be honestabout that, then when those

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things happen to us or we seeother people doing it, we can
have more compassion for them.
So that's it's an act ofservice.
That's all art is.
I think art is first of all, Idon't believe that people are
necessarily artists.
I think we are all antennas intothe same sort of universal

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consciousness, and we're alltuned slightly differently.
And all art is is the expressionof whether you want to call it
source energy, love, universalconsciousness.
It is just being expressedindividually through that
person.
And so I don't necessarilybelieve it comes from pain.
I think it's all one thing beingexpressed differently.

SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
I have like millions of questions from what you just
said.
I'm like, wow, first of all, sookay, let's go back bit by bit
to dissect your mind a littlebit.

SPEAKER_03 (14:32):
So please help me understand myself.

SPEAKER_00 (14:34):
Right.
Okay, so you were lookinginitially for that validation,
saying, you know what?
I'm gonna do the craziest thingin the world that maybe like 1%
of men are capable of.

SPEAKER_04 (14:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (14:45):
Once you achieve that validation, right?
The global recognition, you'vebeen recognized, you know, you
have so many interviews andpodcasts and magazine covers.
How do you feel?
Did it make you happy after youachieved that validation that
was initially your goal?

SPEAKER_03 (15:02):
Well, yeah, I mean, definitely it makes you happy.
Because look, the basic, thebasic, one of the the most
basic.

SPEAKER_00 (15:10):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (15:11):
Can I say basic three times in a row?

SPEAKER_00 (15:12):
Okay, more basic about the basics.
Basic, basic, basic.

SPEAKER_03 (15:15):
The basic element of survival is social acceptance.
Because we're a social animal,right?
So there's something verynatural about wanting to be
validated by by your peers andculture and and everybody around
you, right?
That's totally okay.
And seeking that to some degreeensures survival.

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And that's that's a beautifulpiece of us, right?
So when it gets extended, well,my experience was when it gets
extended further and further andfurther into fame, and I don't
think I was ever famous, but insmall circles I was well known.

SPEAKER_00 (15:54):
You're very humble.

SPEAKER_03 (15:55):
Um so when it gets extended that way, what's
interesting is there's aninverse value add because you're
so you're already recognized, soyou have to be more and more and
more recognized to get the samecharge.
But ultimately, that externalvalidation will never, ever,

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ever sustain you.
And and and it's and it's uh itwill never give you what you're
actually looking for.

SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
I love that.

SPEAKER_03 (16:27):
Which is internal wholeness.
Likewise, I don't believe thatwe're ever entirely uh we've
never t entirely arrived.

SPEAKER_00 (16:39):
What do you mean?

SPEAKER_03 (16:40):
Meaning we are always all whole, no matter
where we are.

SPEAKER_00 (16:45):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (16:46):
It's a it's a self-perception that something
is missing.
But nothing ever is missing.
If we default far enough intoourselves, if we can fold inside
out, there's a and I'm gonnaquote uh a woman named Elena
Brower, who's amazing.
Look her up.
She she starts this meditationby saying there's a place inside

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you that is always at peace,always at rest.
And she goes on to explain thatwhen we when we operate from
that place, we become peace.
We're not expressing peace, weare peace.
And my my understanding is thatthat place is always there.

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It w we're not cracked.
There's there is something in usthat is unbreakable.
And all is all that we're beingasked to do through this whole
experience is find it and getcloser and closer.
And the irony is you don't evenhave to find it.
Once you touch it, you realizeit was never lost to begin with.

SPEAKER_00 (17:50):
Oh my god, I have goosebumps.
I don't want to start anotherhuge topic, but I'm really into
it.
I'm sweating and so hot in here.
It is, but you know, that's whyour brain works a little bit
more intense.
Listen, I'm all about thesecrets of the universe.
And I don't know if I'm gonnasay it correctly, if I'm gonna
put it nicely in words, but whatyou just said resonated with me
because I do believe that we'realways looking for that source,

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for that power, but we don'trealize it's always within us.
We are that inductor, right?
We are that energy, andsometimes we're looking, like
you said, for the externalvalidation for external power,
you know, either it's religionor either it's an idol, right?
Or we worship somebody, but atthe same time, we forget that
all the power we need is within,right?

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And I'm not sure if I said itbeautifully as I had it in my
mind, but what you just told me,I feel it takes time and
personal obstacles to get tothat point.
So, what was that point in yourexperience in your life that you
came to that realization?

SPEAKER_03 (18:53):
Well, look, it's a realization that I I feel like I
have to rediscover all the time.
Especially, I mean, look, theculture we live in in LA, it it
is so easy to get lost in whatwe're supposed to be like.
You know, we're we're surroundedby a culture of opulence and and

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we think that we're being veryunique when in fact most of us
are just trying to fit into abox that's been prescribed.
That's why we idolize fame,right?
We're really what we're lookingat is something we want for
ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 (19:33):
That's well, fame is like what you said, isn't it?
The part of being recognized andbeing accepted.

SPEAKER_03 (19:39):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (19:40):
You know?

SPEAKER_03 (19:41):
So it so I mean I guess to answer your question,
yeah.
Like, I don't know that it's apoint that I've arrived at.
It's a point that I keeparriving at, and I have to
remind it's like going to thegym.
And the more you touch thatspace, the the shorter the
distance or the shorter the timebetween those experiences, and

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the more you can shorten thosegaps, the more you're living
from that elemental core,fundamental piece that exists.
But that doesn't mean I don'tget ridiculously triggered and
angry and pissed off.

SPEAKER_00 (20:18):
So what makes you angry?

SPEAKER_03 (20:20):
Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_00 (20:22):
Besides being hot right now.
Um what sets you off?
Is it certain, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (20:29):
I'm not gonna give you hints, but well, there's the
there's the little things.
There's, you know, people whothis is one thing that actually
pisses me off.
People people in airports or inpublic looking at their phones
that have no spatial awarenessof anything that's going on
around them.

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I I'm I'm just like, look up.
Um in and in I I can go furtherback and I just feel like it's a
little sad.

SPEAKER_00 (20:58):
No, can I comment on that?
Speaking of that, I think it's Ithink it's an annoying issue for
most of the people who areself-aware.
I remember one time Iinterviewed um an actress, she
was a Lat I'm originally fromLatvia, so Latvian actress, and
she told me in acting school,they teach them to act, even to
see with the back of their head.

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Yeah.
So when you are in a public orsocial space, you're not only
aware of your environment, butyou also kind of see what's
happening in the world.
Your periphery.
Right.
So I mean, I totally get you,right?
Especially I'm sure you've beento hundreds of airports all over
the world, and you can see thehumanity at its finest.

SPEAKER_03 (21:37):
Well, and it also, you know, it's kind of there's a
I I forget who said it.
It might have been the DalaiLama.
Or maybe it's like once youthink you're enlightened, go
spend a week with your family.
And it's kind of the same thing.
Once you think, once you thinkyou're enlightened, go spend an
hour in traffic in LA.
You know, like so there's thelittle things that piss me off.
I think more globally, thethings that upset me are uh the

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insistence, the culturalinsistence that everything is
fucked.
Meaning everything is broken andeverything is bad.
And look, we live in a very,very tumultuous period in
history.
And at the same time, it'sdifferent but the same.
Meaning we've we've always livedat the fastest moment in

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history.

SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
That's the I mean if you look back in history, do you
think our time is I think ourtime is the best.

SPEAKER_03 (22:34):
Well, in by many metrics it is.

SPEAKER_00 (22:38):
Not many lived past 30 years old.
Yeah, I mean executions, publicexecutions, like burning
witches.
Right, we're burning witches.
I mean, come on.
I feel like nowadays could bethe best time.
Depends how you see it, right?
You could probably see theworst, which I guess we are
living in a messed up time.
But at the same time, what do wecompare it to?
I mean, if we compare it toAtlantis, you know, I'm

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thinking, wow, okay, we are thelowest, you know, uh version of
civilization.
I believe we could be or wereway more civilized and advanced,
you know, hundreds of thousandsof millions of years before now.
So I I give you a point.

SPEAKER_03 (23:14):
Well, I mean, here's the thing language is only a
hundred thousand years old.
We've been around for 300,000years.
Modern language, I'm bestguessed, right, debatable.
We've been around for in for theinfinite, you know, right
totality of time and space.
But um, but we as modern humans,uh, to the best of our

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knowledge, have been around forabout 300,000 years, and
language has only been sort ofevolving for about 100 to
115,000.
So over the course of that, lookat what we've created, and most
of it is actually reallyphenomenal.
And it's taken terrible thingsto get there, unquestionably.

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And I'm not I'm not saying thatyou know, racism and xenophobia
and slavery are like are like shshould be ignored.
I'm just saying, in general, thetime we live in now is really
marvelous.
It's the most peaceful, right?
We have the most comfort, wehave the most access.

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It's it's really, reallyspecial.
But but what back to theoriginal question, what upsets
me is the cultural narrativethat we're fed on Instagram,
that we're fed through a 24-hournews cycle, that everything is
falling apart.
Those those modalities ofdelivering information feed on
our fear and they feed on dramaand they feed on dopamine.

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And when we start doomscrolling, we become convinced,
because all we're getting isnegative information and the
occasional cat video.
We we're convinced thateverything's bad.
And what that does is it forcesus into our sympathetic nervous
system, and we all start to livein fight or flight, and so we're
reactionary.

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We when we're when we're insurvival, we have no values,
we're just trying to survive.
And so the system that we'vecreated is upsetting to me
because it's making us moresick.
When we live in our sympatheticnervous system, it becomes an
unsustainable way of living.
We get angry, we have chronicinflammation, which causes

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chronic disease, and and andit's and that that upsets me
because we don't need to livein.

SPEAKER_00 (25:32):
Right?
The way you put it.
No, it is.
And the thing is, like, you'reabsolutely right, you're getting
that quick dopamine, right?
It feels for this five minutes.
I mean, for some people, somepeople scroll for four, seven
hours total a day, which isscary, right?
You get that quick dopamine, butat the end of the day, you
haven't achieved anything foryour life.
You haven't lived thoseexperiences.

SPEAKER_02 (25:52):
And you're scared and upset.

SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
You're scared and upset.
And there's nothing, I mean, Ican't I hate saying like nothing
we can do about it, right?
But imagine tomorrow, let's sayhypothetical, the internet goes
down.

SPEAKER_03 (26:05):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (26:05):
What would be your day?

SPEAKER_03 (26:08):
The same day I live today.

SPEAKER_00 (26:09):
Okay, you're different.
You know, like you spend likemost of your time amongst the
beautiful, you know, I mean, I II don't, but I I two two things
that I want to say to that.

SPEAKER_03 (26:21):
That first of all, it's feeding itself, right?
Because what happens is we'rewe're then we're tr we're always
triggered.
We're living, so we want to zoneout.
So we look for a pacifier.
And guess what the pacifier is?
More scrolling.
Right?
So we're actually it's kind oflike the thing that's making us
sick is the thing that we thinkthat at least momentarily takes

(26:43):
us out of that panic.
And and to the second point,like, what did I do this
morning?
And this is not every day,right?
Like, I do go down the rabbithole at times, and I realize how
upset it makes me.
But I get up at six, I meditatefor 20 minutes, I walk to get my
coffee, I come home, I journal,I read, and then I go to the

(27:05):
gym, and then I do my emails,and then like it's very basic
shit.
It's just for you, but it'screating the space to not be on
the phone.

SPEAKER_00 (27:17):
I guess you have to have a certain level of personal
disciplines and personalresponsibility.

SPEAKER_01 (27:22):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (27:23):
Because to me, I need to learn from you.
The first thing I wake up isscroll on my phone, I check text
and emails.
Right.
And I remember my close friend,she put in a perspective for me
that I didn't even think about.
She said, Victoria, imagine whenyou open up your phone in your
bedroom, you're inviting all ofthese people in your bedroom
right now.
In this second, they're therewith you.
You don't have the time for yourpersonal space.

(27:45):
Like you said, you meditate, youknow, you maybe take an easy
morning, right?
Or do something, you know, withyour kids, with your family,
with your pets.
Um, what would be your advicefor those who realize they're
stuck in that matrix, right?
What would be the advice for youto maybe first step for the
people to take to get out of itand take that personal discipl

(28:07):
personal responsibility to makea change and not be on the
phone?

SPEAKER_03 (28:10):
Well, I think it's thank you for asking that
question.
The first step is this realizehow it makes you feel.
Like check in with yourself.
Do you actually feel goodscrolling on your phone?
Yes, the dopamine feels, butdoes it actually make you feel

(28:34):
good?
Or are you in that sort offighting?
You're you're you're you'rewatching content that either
reinforces the ideas you alreadyhave or it pisses you off.
Or it's just mindless.
Pay attention to how yournervous system feels when you
finally go, ugh, and you throwdown your phone because you're

(28:55):
so sick of it.
That's where everybody gets.
So just key into your nervoussystem.
How do you feel?
And my guess is that most of usdon't feel very good.
Then memorize that feeling.
Memorize the feeling of disgustthat you have.
Memorize that, and so that everytime you reach for it, you can

(29:17):
recall what it feels like.
And then slowly expand the timethat it takes.
Every time you reach for yourphone, even if you just pause
for a second, give yourself thatpause and ask the question do I
want to feel that way again?

SPEAKER_00 (29:34):
I would maybe add to it and from my perspective, and
say, remember what makes youfeel good, right?
And people don't I feel theydon't even know what it means
for them to feel good.

SPEAKER_04 (29:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:47):
And I feel personally, I've been so busy
working on different projects,and I realized, you know what,
what is the thing that actuallymade me happy?

unknown (29:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:56):
Like truly, truly happy.
Not excited, like, hey, I wentout or Disney.
And I remember the first feelingand emotion that came into my
head that I was driving a umriding a bicycle in um in the
park, and there was one piece ofa shaded area um surrounded by

(30:18):
two mountains, and then I feltthe fresh air in that very
specific um uh part on the road.
I don't know how it's perfect tosay, right?
And it was just five seconds,and I felt so free, and I felt
so amazing.
The freedom me driving abicycle, because I also have the
beautiful memories I spent withmy grandmother, yeah, right,
when I was a kid, and that'swhat we did.

(30:38):
We drove a bicycle near thelake, and we were so free, we
didn't care about anything.
And I remembered, oh my god,when was the last time I had
this feeling?
And that feeling was so faraway, and made me think, and you
making me think that we aredistracted so much on a daily
basis with bad things, negativethings that are happening all
over the world, that wesometimes forget what does it

(31:01):
even feel to feel?
What does it even make you feeland experience and have and
creating those memories?
So, what I would add to what youjust said, if you remembering
that bad feeling, yeah, try torealize and remember that good
feeling how you can recreate itagain.
Absolutely, or how can you findanother way to make you feel

(31:22):
that way again?

SPEAKER_03 (31:24):
100%, and I'm s that is such a beautiful addition.
Truly it is, because it's likememorize the good feeling as
well.

SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (31:33):
And memorize how you got there.

SPEAKER_00 (31:36):
Yeah.
Um because the thing issometimes we're stuck, right?
And we're stuck in the routine.
Right.
You have your routine, you haveyour schedule, you have your
work, you have responsibilities,you have built bills to pay,
right?

SPEAKER_03 (31:46):
You have life to live.

SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
Life to live, right?
And then we forget those littlemoments, and then we're looking
back, oh my God, this year isalmost over.
I talk to my friends, like, ohmy god, it's almost Christmas.
And they realize, okay, whathave they done this past year
that's almost over?
And life goes by so fast, andthen we forget to create this
beautiful moment.
So if we live with intention andif we live with purpose, we

(32:10):
realize, okay, what can I do orwhat can I do to start planning
my life the way I want to liveit, and not just flow go with
the flow and just be stuck inthis never-ending, you know,
news, um, I don't know, dumpthat is being thrown on us every
day.

SPEAKER_03 (32:28):
It's it's the news, it's dating apps, it's social
media, it's like it's it'scandy.
And and we just, especially inLA, uh we live in a cultural
narrative that suggests thathappiness is in acquisition,

(32:49):
that happiness is in opulence,wealth, sex, power, and fame.

SPEAKER_00 (32:56):
And fashion.

SPEAKER_03 (32:57):
And fashion.
Let's leave fake.
I love fashion, right?
Love me some fashion.
Um but it but you're right,there's there's a piece of
there's a component to that.
Uh, and even I mean, I'm notcalling it out, but even sitting
in front of this bike, right?
This symbolizes something.
And that's okay.
It's not what it symbolizesthat's that's bad.

(33:19):
It's it's our unquenchablethirst to be a part of something
that that we've idolized withoutquestioning its its core, it's
the driver within us that wantsit.

SPEAKER_00 (33:38):
It's actually amazing what you just said,
because we never invest truly inspirituality, in our mental
health.
I mean, for some, mental healthis like, okay, I'm gonna take a
bath and read a book, I'm gonnago to a spa, right?

SPEAKER_01 (33:54):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (33:54):
But what you said is to me is finding and investing
in your spiritual self outsideof chasing material things,
right?

SPEAKER_01 (34:04):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (34:04):
The things don't define you.
And if you put away the quotethat things don't define you, so
what does define you as a human,right?
What defines you as a human,Corey?

SPEAKER_03 (34:16):
Well, I would I would rephrase this.
I'm gonna throw it back at you.
Yeah, can you boil your purposedown to a single word?

SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
It's very interesting you asked me that
because I had an episode thathasn't released yet with my
sister, and our whole episodewas based on your purpose of
life.

SPEAKER_05 (34:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (34:38):
My sister advocates a lot for finding your purpose
in life because that A definesyour circle of friends, defines
your relationship, defines yourhobbies, defines your career.
And I keep asking myself thisquestion for many years: what is
my purpose?
And I've been researching andsearching it, and if I have to

(35:00):
define it, if I have to put itin one word.

SPEAKER_02 (35:02):
One word.

SPEAKER_00 (35:06):
I don't know if it's correct.
Difference, make it it's not oneword.
I do want to make a differencein people's lives.
Oh, you know what?
No, let me scratch that.
One word, inspiration.

SPEAKER_03 (35:18):
Inspiration, great.
Okay, that is I found my lifepurpose.
Yeah, I mean, truly, I think oneof the things, the reason I
asked that is because we'rewe're constantly sold uh a
narrative of find your passionand the money will follow.

(35:38):
And that is true to some degree,right?
But really, I think what it whatit boils down to is finding, if
we can define our purpose in oneword, um, then we can always
orient ourselves on whether ornot what we're doing and our
what our behavior is that inalignment with our purpose,

(36:00):
right?
So for me, I would say mypurpose is compassion.
For a long time, I would say,oh, it's storytelling.
And and I have a dear friend,Kenny Kane, who said, Corey,
that's an extension of purpose.
What you do is not your purpose,it's an extension of your

(36:21):
purpose.
So I use storytelling to amplifyand invite and hopefully
generate more compassionglobally, right?
Or like, I mean, not I don'tmean globally like in the world,
I mean globally in the sense ofaround the totality of my life,
right?
And so inspiration is abeautiful thing.

(36:43):
That is your purpose.
So you do different things toinspire people to then act
differently.
That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 (36:50):
Oh, I found my purpose today.
Isn't that cool?
It is freaking amazing, andbeing able to just baseline.
I've been thinking about it fora long time.
I've been asked AI, and it gaveme a bunch of bullshit.

unknown (37:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:02):
It's so weird, right?
You know, talking to a realhuman, I found my purpose.
This is amazing.
So, guys, ask yourself whatCorey suggests.
In one word, try to find what isyour purpose.

SPEAKER_03 (37:14):
And it won't find it, won't be a verb.
You know, like your purposecould be love, right?
But not loving.
That is an extension of yourpurpose.
It won't be a verb.
It'll be a it'll be so muchsimpler than that, but it's so
much more complicated, butbeautiful because then it
informs and guides every singlething you do.

(37:38):
Is this in service of mypurpose?
When you're scrolling onInstagram watching conspiracy
theories, you can just say, Isthis in service of my purpose?
I almost guarantee it's not.

SPEAKER_00 (37:53):
You know, don't get me started on that.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (37:57):
About the aliens.
We're all aliens.
We're lizard people.
Didn't you know that?

SPEAKER_00 (38:02):
Oh my god, there's so many.
Pick one.

SPEAKER_03 (38:04):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Jesus, there's a fly too.

SPEAKER_00 (38:06):
I know.
This fly, you know, is she'sbeen here since yesterday, and
she's very attracted tointeresting people.

SPEAKER_03 (38:13):
Well, you know what?
I it's a good I don't need towaver away.
She can just be on me.
I love it, I love it.
It's great.

SPEAKER_00 (38:18):
She she feels who is uh who's the most interesting
person.
By the way, she probably isattracted to your jacket.

SPEAKER_03 (38:24):
Or the way I smell because of the heat.

SPEAKER_00 (38:26):
Hey, we're hey, don't get me don't mention that
because I'm all covered here,you know, put to put to head in
leather.
But you know, everythingeverything is for fashion.
Yeah, everything for fashion.
And you look great.
You look fabulous.
You look amazing too.
Uh backstage, you mentioned andum a few interesting things
about your jacket.
Yeah.
Can you tell me what is thisjacket?

SPEAKER_03 (38:46):
Is it a is it a true well it's so it's modeled after
a vintage sort of motor racingjacket.
Um and I did I was at an eventin Aspen.

SPEAKER_05 (38:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (38:58):
Uh it was an ice racing event where they where
they bring these incrediblevintage cars, cars that like uh
I mean it was unbelievable.
And then they race around thisicy racetrack.

SPEAKER_05 (39:10):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 (39:10):
And it was the this historical event happened in
Austria in Salemse.
And so um Fur uh Ferdi, I thinkis his name, Porsche, uh puts on
this event.
And so um it's actually from amoto event.
Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:27):
Sorry, what does it say?

SPEAKER_03 (39:29):
Uh F-A-T turbo.
F A T turbo fat well, fat turbo,and I forget what that stands
for.

SPEAKER_00 (39:34):
I mean, it suits you really well, plus it looks like
it belongs in the set.
Yeah, it does, actually.
The red and red, like as if youknew.

SPEAKER_03 (39:40):
Right?

SPEAKER_00 (39:41):
The red and the red and it's like, it's all working.
I love it.
So listen, Corey, I have anotherquestion in the back of my mind.
You spend, I mean, for myunderstanding, most of your time
in nature.

SPEAKER_05 (39:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:54):
When you come back to the society, to the people,
where do you feel most at home?

SPEAKER_03 (40:09):
With the people I love.
It isn't an environmentnecessarily.
Certainly there are places whereI feel at peace.
There are there are geographiclocations where I feel most at
peace.
And uh two come to mind, there'suh Mustang on the border of
Nepal and Tibet.

(40:29):
For whatever reason, I feel sodeeply connected to that place.

SPEAKER_00 (40:33):
Mustang?

SPEAKER_03 (40:34):
Mustang.
It's spelled Mustang, but it'spronounced Mustang.

SPEAKER_00 (40:38):
Do you have to be the chosen one to visit the
place?

SPEAKER_03 (40:43):
No, but but it is you you do have to uh it there's
it was a it was a forbiddenkingdom until 1994.
Wow.
And then it opened up totourists in the 90s, and and
it's since been you knowdeveloped in some pretty tragic
ways.
But there's actually dirt fromMustang on these moto boots.

SPEAKER_00 (41:04):
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (41:05):
Because the last time I was there, I wore these,
so all of this stuff is Can Itouch them?
Of course.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:12):
Again, magic touch of the Lost Kingdom.

SPEAKER_03 (41:15):
Yeah.
Um I did a really beautifulmotorcycle journey there.

SPEAKER_00 (41:20):
Well, these boots, by the way, guys, tell a story.
These boots, seeing somestories, yeah, I can tell.
You can probably write a wholebook just about these boots.
Yeah.
Maybe maybe an idea for yourthird book.
Yeah.
Where these boots have been.
I mean, you can probably put itin a more poetic way, you know,
places, maybe the the you know,the imprint from the boots in
different places in the world.

SPEAKER_03 (41:42):
I I've I've I've had it, that's a really great idea.
I've had a very similar thoughtabout writing a stu like a book
about You should.
Uh I wear this bead, it's calleda Z, and it's probably well,
anywhere from two to fourthousand years old.
And telling a story, writing abook about a single bead, but
like interweaving the story soyou don't really know that the

(42:02):
connective tissue.

SPEAKER_00 (42:03):
Absolutely think you should do it.

SPEAKER_03 (42:05):
So and then the other place that I absolutely
love is is Salzburg, Austria,um, where I really discovered
photography.
But but to the point of where doI feel at home when I come home
from these trips, it's justbeing surrounded by the people
that I love.
That gives me the greatest senseof peace.

SPEAKER_00 (42:26):
Are they here in LA?

SPEAKER_03 (42:28):
Most of them now are, yeah.
Yeah.
Um and they're not people thatare it's our friendships aren't
based on a shared activity.
They're they're based in commonvalues, they're based in sort of
mutual love and support.
And some of them are directorsand some of them are writers and

(42:49):
some of them are not in theindustry at all, some of them
are fitness training, you know,like but what holds us together
is is uh a mutuality that is notbased in going out and drinking.
Um nothing there's nothing wrongwith that.

SPEAKER_00 (43:05):
So how do you spend your time with you with the
people you love?
What do you do?

SPEAKER_03 (43:10):
I go on walks, you know, I go over to their house
and hang out.
I mean it's very basic, youknow.

SPEAKER_00 (43:15):
Like just going on walks?

SPEAKER_03 (43:17):
Going on walks, having dinners, having dinners,
like um, going to see some art,going to a movie.
Like it's such going camping,uh, you know, having an
experience together.

SPEAKER_00 (43:31):
That's you know, I've never done camping before.

SPEAKER_03 (43:34):
Really?

SPEAKER_00 (43:34):
Yeah, never ever.

SPEAKER_03 (43:35):
Oh, it's so great.

SPEAKER_00 (43:36):
If I ever do a camping, it has to be glamping.

SPEAKER_03 (43:39):
Glamping's great.

SPEAKER_00 (43:41):
I mean, I guess if you're prepared, right?
You could enjoy it the most.
But if you know if I gounprepared, I'm gonna be eaten
by a bear next year.
I'm gonna Victoria went camping,she didn't come back.
There's a happy bear.

SPEAKER_03 (43:54):
It's a happy bear out there.
It's I mean, I think one of themost fulfilling things you can
do with anybody is go out to thedesert and and roll out a
sleeping bag and sleep under thestars.

SPEAKER_00 (44:06):
I love that.
You know, once what I did, Iwent to a dry lake and did a
picnic in a dry lake.

SPEAKER_03 (44:12):
Beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 (44:12):
And I loved it for the fact that I've never
experienced such silence.

SPEAKER_03 (44:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (44:17):
Even though the highway wasn't far away, I
guess, in my opinion, connectionwith nature is experiencing the
silence.
In my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 (44:26):
I I agree, and I and I'd also add that you know, all
of this, if we can get if we canget deep enough into our
understanding of the all of thisis nature.
We refer, and it's certainlythere's a different resonance
when we go out and there's nobuildings and there's no traffic
and there's no concrete.
But a hundred percent ournervous system does different

(44:49):
things.
And I think when we practiceenough, we can see, we can look
around us, I can look around thegarage here.
And all of this is nature.
It can't not be.
It all evolved from the planet,and it all all of this came

(45:11):
through our hands, but it's allderivative of us, a biological
organism that has a very, veryuh unique mind and creative mind
and has created it.
None of this is unnatural.
We cannot fundamentally beoutside of nature.

(45:32):
So when we look around, we candefault to that.
This is all fucking stardust anda collection of atoms cascading
over each other.
There's nothing unnatural aboutthis.

SPEAKER_00 (45:42):
You have a crazy cool mind.
Do you think you're using thefull capacity of your mind?

SPEAKER_03 (45:49):
Fuck no.

SPEAKER_00 (45:50):
I I I mean Do you believe that we use only what 1
or 10% of our brain?
Well, that it's a people less.

SPEAKER_03 (45:58):
You know, I looked that up actually recently.
Because I was like, do we re youknow, I I I know and it's we
it's not as simple as that.
We use most of our mind, butit's in smaller segmentation
doses, basically.
So it's not to say that we onlyuse 10% of our brains, but our

(46:21):
processing power is more, and Idon't wanna I don't want to
speak out of turn because I'mnot a scientist, I'm not a
neurobiologist.
Like my understanding is it'snot as simple as that.
We use a lot of our brains, butin different doses at different
times.

SPEAKER_00 (46:38):
But I guess if where where you direct your energy to,
right?
Yeah, if you spend more time,you know, meditating, you might
experience something that aregular person who's always on
the phone not experience, right?
Yeah.
I mean, I I don't know if it's Idon't want to get in line on the
facts, but one of the myconspiracy theories is that back
in the day, humans experienceduh I'm not sure if it was 32

(47:01):
senses.
So right now we have six senses.
There were more senses that wecould experience than the modern
human, like telepathy, you know,things like that, maybe
predicting the future, or maybemore sensible understanding of
and healing powers, you know,things like that.
I do believe that we lost someof our capabilities through
time, and we're not as advancedas we could be if we spent or

(47:25):
divert our energy to veryspecific, you know, um parts of
you know, our I don't know ifit's a skill or gifts, it's a
practice.
Practice or whatever you callit, right?

SPEAKER_03 (47:37):
I I really to think it.
It's so annoying because mybrain can always go to both
sides of things.

SPEAKER_00 (47:45):
So we want to see both of you bipolar.

SPEAKER_03 (47:49):
Um there's first of all, I believe that.
Um I believe that we havebecause we live in a more of a
uh manufactured world, notunnatural, but more
manufactured, that has usseparate from what we would call
more organic material.

(48:10):
I think again, it's all organic,but um we've lost sort of a
certain resonance with with whatpeople call nature.

SPEAKER_05 (48:20):
I believe that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (48:22):
And I think there's a lot of information um and um
an intelligence in nature and inus when we're in contact with
what we call nature.
Um the other thing I would sayis right now there seems to be a
push towards this sort ofpseudoscience kind of what is a

(48:45):
pseudoscience?
Pseudoscience is like wherewe're using uh uh basically
observable fact and thenadapting it to fit our our
narrative, right?
So a lot of people use sort ofum quantum theory to justify um

(49:06):
ideas like manifestation, right?
And certainly there's an elementof manifestation that's very
true, but but a lot of thesethings are being appropriated
and sort of thrust forward astruth.
Right, right.
And it's a radicaloversimplification of what's
happening, right?
We're like, I'm gonna manifestabundance, and really I look at

(49:26):
that and I go, Welcome to LA.
Welcome to LA, and I'm like, sowhat you mean by abundance is
money.
That's 90%, 98% of what peopleare talking about.
And I'm not saying that focusingyour attention on that won't
create wealth, but that is sortof we're we're we're using
pseudoscience to create thisworld, right, right, to create

(49:46):
results.
But it but it also works.
So there's the other side ofthat.
Yeah.
What I would also say is that umjust because it's not observable
or measurable doesn't mean it'snot true.
There are many things in in theworld that have not been
measurable or observable thatpeople had a sense of for a lot.

(50:12):
Think of radio waves.
All of this, everything isoperating on radio waves, right?
But we couldn't see that for along time.
We couldn't observe it, wecouldn't measure it.
It was just theoretical.
And when it was pure theory,people are like, waves going
through that, you're fuckingcrazy.
That doesn't exist.
Well, then, turns out it doesexist.

(50:35):
And so I think when it comes tospirituality, when it comes to
things like telepathy, when itcomes, just because it's not
observable or measurable rightnow doesn't mean it's not true.
So I make space for it, and Iand of course there's
experiences where I'm like, huh,that's fucking weird.

SPEAKER_00 (50:55):
That makes me excited thinking about how much
of the unknown out there thatwe're not even aware of.

SPEAKER_03 (51:00):
That we're not aware of, and maybe eventually we'll
find a way to measure it.
And that's that's scienceevolving, right?
And that's really cool.
Science is not exclusive ofspirituality.
In fact, many times I see themuh support science keeps
supporting what people haveknown for a very long time to be

(51:20):
true, right?

SPEAKER_00 (51:22):
Um and again, if you cannot prove it, it doesn't mean
it doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_03 (51:26):
Exactly.
But that gets dangerous too,right?
Because people can take that andapply it to anything.

SPEAKER_00 (51:34):
But I think it's important to be able to trust
your instinct.
Sometimes we feel certainthings.
By the way, do you believe inenergy?
Like human energy?

SPEAKER_03 (51:45):
Of course.
I mean, we're all literallyenergetic beings.

SPEAKER_00 (51:49):
If you had to describe your energy in a color
or give it a color, what colorwould that be?

SPEAKER_03 (51:55):
I pink or uh which is such a funny color for a guy
to choose, but like I pink orsort of a um uh purpley like
violet, you know, something likethat.

SPEAKER_00 (52:08):
Yeah, you know, I think I think I know your color.
What is it?
If you believe, so there's abook, it's called Love Colors,
and written by Pamela Osley,uh-huh, and she um defines that
every person has a color that weare born with, and the second
color that we acquire, I thinkyou are a color orange.

SPEAKER_01 (52:26):
Orange.

SPEAKER_00 (52:27):
Orange defines a person who loves extreme sports,
likes to put themselves indanger, loves to, you know, be
in those environments that not aregular person would be, you
know, uh comfortable to be in,take risks.
I feel like I mean, just basedon that color, so I think you
are orange.

(52:47):
I mean, I I know there's more toit.
This is just a few descriptivewords not to go into it.

SPEAKER_03 (52:52):
Would you consider I would consider it?
I don't feel orange.

SPEAKER_00 (52:58):
You don't feel orange.
Okay, you feel pink, I feel alittle bit of a violence.

SPEAKER_03 (53:01):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (53:02):
Okay, good thing.

SPEAKER_03 (53:03):
So I I mean, I'm hey, maybe I am orange, but I
don't I don't, you know.
If I go get a spray tan, I'll bemore orange.
Um, but like, no, I don'tnecessarily feel orange.
And um fair enough.
But again, like all of thesethings, here's the other thing.
I think it's fun to think aboutthem.
I think it's really cool whetheror not they're true is is is

(53:28):
actually less important to me solong as I don't it's fun to
think about.
It's fun to explore, it's fun tobe curious, and maybe you know,
we'll find a way to measureeverybody's color signature, and
we'll that that'll be it'llbecome scientific fact.
I don't fucking know.

SPEAKER_00 (53:46):
You know, I like colour black because black has
all the colors in the world init.

SPEAKER_03 (53:52):
Does it?

SPEAKER_00 (53:53):
I think so.
I think if you mix all thecolors, you will get black.

SPEAKER_03 (53:56):
Well, I think if you that's interesting.
I I I I think you'll get a gray.

SPEAKER_00 (54:02):
We need to do a test now.

SPEAKER_03 (54:04):
I think but uh but also if we look at light
spectrum, okay, right white isthe color that holds all colors.

SPEAKER_00 (54:12):
Right, right.
This well, not all the therainbow colors, right?

SPEAKER_03 (54:15):
Well, think about a prism.

SPEAKER_00 (54:16):
Prism, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 (54:17):
A white uh like uh the totality of light goes
through a prism and that createsthe spectrum.

SPEAKER_00 (54:26):
Right.
But we need to do a test.
What if you take all the colorsin the world and mix them?
You might get either dark orbronze.

SPEAKER_03 (54:34):
Should we ask chat?

SPEAKER_00 (54:36):
Who has the phone?
Can we check?

SPEAKER_03 (54:39):
I mean, we'll ask we'll ask.
Because this is again, this isactually an interesting topic.

SPEAKER_01 (54:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (54:44):
I'm gonna extend it someplace else, if that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 (54:46):
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 (54:48):
Um one thing that I've been very aware of is as I
talk on these podcasts,sometimes I'll say things that I
think are true, and then I'llcome to find out they were
completely fucking not true.
And it was really bad science.

SPEAKER_00 (55:04):
We want our listeners and viewers to go and
check themselves.
Right.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (55:08):
Well, I want people to be curious because right now,
especially again in LA, but butglobally, we live in a podcast
soundbite culture.

SPEAKER_05 (55:17):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (55:18):
And everybody's an expert, and everybody speaks as
though they know the truth.

SPEAKER_05 (55:23):
And a guru.

SPEAKER_03 (55:24):
And a guru.
And there was a recent studydone, it wasn't really a study,
but it was it was an interestingexercise where they took um
TikTok mental health influencersand they took a hundred videos,
right?

SPEAKER_00 (55:38):
Can I imagine that, okay?

SPEAKER_03 (55:40):
And they and then they gave them to train mental
health professionals from alldifferent strata.

SPEAKER_05 (55:45):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 (55:46):
And over 50 of them, 52 of them, were either wrong or
uh misleading.

SPEAKER_00 (55:55):
Delusional.

SPEAKER_03 (55:56):
Or some of them were just outright dangerous.
So this is where we're gettingour information.
Right.
Somebody says somethinginteresting on a podcast,
whether it's about love,relationships, masculinity,
dating, and it feels good to us,and then we start saying it as
truth.
It might be just really fuckingbad information.

SPEAKER_00 (56:17):
Disclaimer.

SPEAKER_03 (56:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (56:19):
Like we're gonna do that.

SPEAKER_03 (56:20):
We're gonna pull sound bites from this.
And it's gonna be somethingcatchy, yeah.
And people are gonna like it,and then they're gonna share it,
and then people are gonna takeit on as truth.
It's just my fucking opinion.

SPEAKER_00 (56:31):
Well, that's what's great about see, we're not
preaching, we're actually havinga conversation.
Right.
We're actually just conversingabout different topics.
We're not saying, we're notteaching, we're not, you know,
profiting.
I think we're just sharing ourpersonal experience, disclaimer.

SPEAKER_03 (56:45):
Well, yeah, and it I see it all the time in the
relationship uh, you know, uhbecause there is sort of an an
issue with men and boys thesedays, unquestionably.
All of the people that arecommitting these shootings and
they're all young boys or or orolder, angry men, right?

(57:05):
So what's happening?
There's something to look at.
Men kill themselves uh four toone.
Or yeah, I think four to one.
That's right.
Um again, I want that fact to bechecked, right?
Right.
But it's astronomically high.

SPEAKER_00 (57:19):
Right.
Men's suicides is on the high.

SPEAKER_03 (57:21):
Like 70 to I think it's 80% in America are white,
80% of suicides are white men inAmerica.
Um but so we we've come to thisthing in in real in the
relational space where nowpeople are saying things about
what masculinity should be, whata woman should do, uh, what we

(57:44):
deserve, all of these verydeclarative, reductive
statements.
And then we we take them on astruth and we try to live by
these stories that these peoplehave probably inherited.
Here's a one of my favorites.

SPEAKER_05 (57:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (57:59):
You have to love yourself fully before you can
love somebody else truly.
What a bunch of fuckingbullshit.

SPEAKER_00 (58:06):
Egocentric.
It's so flawed.
Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 (58:10):
Because look.

SPEAKER_00 (58:11):
You're focusing on yourself, right?

SPEAKER_03 (58:13):
Well, and it's good to focus on yourself, and it's
good to try to love yourself.
But the idea that my mom, who Ilove her dearly, and she would
agree with this, by the way, hasnever fully loved herself, did
not love my father for 53 yearsof beautiful marriage, is an
absolute fucking offensive ideathat you have to love yourself

(58:37):
to step into the totality oflove.
Absolutely not.
And if your relationship withit's you with yourself is like
any other relationship, you'renot always gonna be in love with
yourself.
You're gonna fall in love without of love with yourself all
the time.

SPEAKER_00 (58:53):
Right?
Can you fall in love withyourself after falling in love
with somebody else?

SPEAKER_01 (58:59):
Of course.
Right?
There's no there's no rules,right?
One way.
Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 (59:04):
Or or what's another great one that people just
always say?
Like, um uh they're they'realways relational, you know.
They're always like, you know,the best relationships start
slow.
Not always.
I know plenty of people who wentout on a first date, fucked that
night, and have been married for30 years happily and have great

(59:27):
kids.

SPEAKER_00 (59:27):
We just mentioned in the other episode that it takes
seven seconds for a woman toknow if this is the guy that she
wants to be with the first timeshe sees him.

SPEAKER_03 (59:35):
And and I and again, that's I've heard that, but I
wonder if it's true.
That we should check it.

SPEAKER_00 (59:40):
You gotta test it, right?
Right.
Um and volunteers.

unknown (59:43):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (59:44):
But it's true.
No, I get it.
I feel like we live by thestamps, right?
By this stereotypes, and weforget a how to feel, how to
think for ourselves, right?
We need to just freaking behuman, yeah.
Socialize again, you know, putyour In situations you've never
experienced, don't be scared,yeah, you know, to fail.

(01:00:04):
Don't be scared to be rejectedbecause it's okay.
That's how you develop as ahuman.
You cannot always come out as awinner.
Maybe it's not your data.
I mean, but that's the thing.
I think is American mentality islike everybody's a winner.
I'm like, no, somebody's better,somebody's not.
But even if if you look how kidsare raised here, right?
You're a winner, you're awinner.
In my school, I always had tofight to be a winner.

(01:00:26):
I had to deserve that place, youknow, the first place or second
place, right?
And here I feel the bar is solow.
You're good, you'll be fine.
Believe in yourself, you know,manifest.
Yeah.
All those, you know,catchphrases that don't really
have meaning.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:42):
They don't have meaning.
They here's a great one.
Uh, if it's not a fuck yes, it'sa fuck no.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:49):
Hmm.
Give me an example.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:51):
Okay.
Certainly we come into contactwith people.
Again, I'll put it in therelationship space, and we're
like, fuck yes, right?
Oh, I see.
But it also gets to a point, andI'm sort of paraphrasing Ryan
Holiday here, who I love.
He's like, I mean, essentiallythe idea is any major decision

(01:01:11):
I've made in my life is like49.51.
It's not always a total fuckyes.
It and it doesn't have to be.
In fact, it shouldn't be ifyou're making a big life
decision.
You should absolutely have somediscernment and fear around it.
Because if you don't, you're notlooking at it in its totality.
You're not looking at it withhonesty.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:33):
But wait, hold on.
I think you're 100% right inthat because you actually made
me think.
If you're doubting, let's say ifyou speak about a relationship.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:41):
If you're in a relationship and you're
doubting, it's already not afuck yes.
Right.
Right?
If you have doubts or you try tofind excuses uh for somebody's
bad behavior or somebody's nottreating you right, you try to
find excuses, oh, maybe theperson starred, oh, he had a
hard childhood.
Right.
Right, it's not a fuck yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:01):
But it doesn't mean that it's a doomed relationship
or that you shouldn't be in it,or that like it just because you
have having doubts inrelationships is absolutely
normal.
And when we get told that weshouldn't have any doubts, then
then when we do, naturally, weimmediately think it's the wrong

(01:02:22):
relationship.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:23):
Right.
But that's not the case.
So I okay, let me for let meexpand that.
So if you do have doubts, yeah,you usually step back, right?
You kind of take a break, or youknow, you create little space.
And if you really feel and ifit's right for you, we're gonna
come back, right?
So doubts in a way is a you knowchecking and assuring that you

(01:02:45):
made the right choice, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:46):
Yeah, and it's and certainly we have instincts.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:49):
We have gut instincts, right?
Those are really healthy.
Right.
But our guts are also sometimeswrong.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:55):
Not if you actually trust them truly.
I think our guts are mostlyright.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:00):
I think they're mostly right, but I've had gut
instincts that were absolutelywrong.
You know, like that have led me.
Or maybe wrong is not the rightword.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:07):
Yeah.
They've led to Well, let's sayfor from a women's perspective,
right?
If I feel something is a littlebit off, but then I still
proceed.
Either relationship or aproject, most of the times, 80%
it will end up being wrong.
And I go back like, damn it, Ishould have listened to my first
initial response that somethingdidn't feel right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:29):
Right.
That's a practice, and I wouldargue that doing it, making that
decision was absolutely theright thing to do because it led
you to that learning.
Okay, okay, I see that's I'm notthis is not toxic positivity.
I'm not trying to bypass things.
Right, right.
I'm just saying that look, rightand wrong are arbitrary to begin

(01:03:51):
with.
They're value applications.
We make decisions, yes, andthere are outcomes.
And depending on how muchpleasure or pain that outcome
provides us, we apply a valuejudgment that it's good or bad,
right or wrong.
But all there are are decisionsand outcomes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:10):
It makes sense, right, when you when you explain
it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:11):
It's just decisions.
And you really can't make wrongdecisions.
You make decisions that end upin in painful circumstance.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:21):
Well, I would say it if you make a bad decision, it
teaches you a lesson.
Every every bad experience orevery failure teaches you a
lesson.
I see that way, right?
Kind of always transforming andbecoming better as a human.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:34):
And certainly, like, there's things we get to, like,
okay, murder, rape, yeah, ofcourse.
Those are fucking horribledecisions, right?
I'm not gonna try and and as isevidenced by history, the
outcomes of making decisionslike that often lead to people
having wild transformations thatthen bec they become advocates

(01:04:57):
for, um, you know, and andproponents of a healthier,
broader culture and society.
And it's all interrelated.
I'm not saying that it's okay todo any of that.
I'm not suggesting that at all.
I'm just saying that there is athere is a polarity that's
operating in the strata ofhumanity that balances itself

(01:05:20):
out naturally, and that is soimportant to realize in our own
lives where, yeah, you mightmake a decision and it hurts,
the outcome hurts, but thatdoesn't mean you were wrong to
make it.
Because that idea that it'swrong imparts shame on you, and
it's not shameful, it was just adecision that had a painful

(01:05:41):
outcome.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:42):
Ma, I never thought about this that way.
I feel like on this wise words,we should wrap up this episode.
But before we wrap it up,because I keep seeing Dustin
keep waving red flags, because Ifeel like we could talk for
another four hour four hours,but to make a logical, beautiful

(01:06:03):
ending to this interestingconversation, if tomorrow,
Corey, you wake up and there'sno mountains, there's no
adventures, it's just you as ahuman in one word to describe
what that word would be todefine you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:21):
Love it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:27):
I love it.
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:30):
That's all all of us are at our core, at our essence.
That's it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:36):
That's what we're sending spiritually,
telepathically, yeah, to all ofour listeners and viewers.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me forbeing on the basic show.
Today we had Corey Richards,this very insightful, deep dive
into the human life.
Thank you for being a guest onthe show today.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:55):
Love, it's so basic.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:56):
So basic, but everything but basic.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:58):
Yeah.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:00):
Thanks for having me.
Bye.

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