In our very first episode of The BASIC Show, we sit down with the hilarious and unstoppable Haley Kalil — supermodel turned internet sensation, comedy maven, and all-around powerhouse.
Known for her Sports Illustrated covers and viral sketches, Haley opens up like never before about her journey through heartbreak, reinvention, and finding her voice (and her punchlines) in a world that often only saw her surface.
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Speaker 02 (00:00):
and we never really see women." Being women.
Oh, a childhood trauma.
Oh, I was bullied before.
I'm actually pretty gratefulthat I went through a lot of
bullying growing up.
That you're going to hate onthe body bag I was given.
I had no choice.
I couldn't be like, hey,listen, God, make me hotter.
Looks fade,
Speaker 01 (00:16):
but your personality stays.
New insecurity, like someonecommented on the shape of my
elbow.
I don't want to offend anybody.
Pays for her life.
Oh, who paid for her plasticsurgery?
Extremely wealthy men are notcapable of love.
Speaker 02 (00:28):
Capable to be their own billionaire?
I can be the billionaire.
Trial and error, yeah.
Want to know my Welcome to TheBasic Show with
Speaker 01 (00:39):
Viktoriya
Speaker 02 (00:45):
Pashutin.
Speaker 01 (01:06):
All right, Hayley, welcome to The Basic Show.
Thank you for having me.
I'm so excited to have you.
You're like such aninspirational figure.
Thank you.
When I first saw your Instagrampost, I was like, oh my God,
this girl has a dream job.
She's beautiful, but she's alsofunny and she's not afraid to
be funny.
Because when I noticed most ofthe beautiful girls, they're so
afraid to be funny and they careso much about the image.
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So how much of your real lifetranslates to your social media
funny skits?
Oh, man.
I think if
Speaker 02 (01:34):
you meet me in person, like I am my social
media, I try really hard to beas authentic as possible just
because before this, I was amodel, right?
So I was very much in that moldof like, I'm only supposed to
be pretty and I'm only supposedto be like a hanger for clothes.
And I'm only supposed to belike what my agents tell me to
be or what men want me to be orlike what my family wants me to
be.
And I think you get to a point,especially around your 30s,
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where you're just like, I'm donebeing somebody else.
Like I'm done playing a part.
I want to play me.
I want to be me in my own life.
And so when I finallytransitioned from modeling to
social media, modeling hadalmost like killed my soul
because I wasn't being myself,which was almost my own fault
because I fell into the trap ofyou have to be something else in
order to be successful, whichyou don't.
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Being yourself, you will takeoff.
Like you never even imagine theplaces you go until you are
yourself.
So when I transitioned tosocial media, I felt free.
It's like I almost broke freeof those binds that kept me like
this or posting swimsuit photosthat I thought were really
aesthetic.
Now I will post anything andeverything because that's who I
am.
Like I'm crazy and manic andfunny and calm and I'm all these
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different things.
I want to show all those sidesof me.
And the most important thing isI'm not always looking perfect.
Like that's a pipe dream.
It'll never happen.
So I really want to show likethe duality of who I am on my
social media and show peopleespecially young women, that
it's totally okay and actuallycelebrated to be yourself.
Speaker 01 (02:58):
But were you scared?
Because first time when you dothe funny skits, would you scare
what people will think aboutyou in the beginning?
You know, I think...
I'm
Speaker 02 (03:06):
actually pretty grateful that I went through a
lot of bullying growing up.
So if you look at my oldpictures, like I was not the
cool kid.
I was never the cool kid.
So in middle school, I wasteased for my appearance.
In high school, I was teasedfor my personality.
Then I got to college andthankfully, like I was so
focused on academics that theteasing kind of stopped there.
But then you get into modelingand people start picking apart
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every little bit of your faceand your body and Things that I
used to love about myself almostbecame new insecurities.
I would go to my friends and belike, oh, new insecurity.
Like someone commented on theshape of my elbow and it's too
pointy.
And I think that that almostbreaks you down to a point where
you don't care anymore becauseyou know even if you post like
the most celebratory photo ofyou where you think you look
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perfect, you've facetunedyourself to perfection,
somebody's going to pointsomething out.
They're going to be like, whyis her baby toe so weird?
Or like she looks a littlecross-eyed.
So you can never escape that.
And you get to a point whereyou just know you can't escape
it.
So you're like, I might as wellbe myself because they're going
to tear me down, whether I'mmyself or trying to be like this
perfect person.
Speaker 01 (04:07):
But I loved how you use your bullying to transform
yourself and to become astronger person because a lot of
people use that as an excuseand get into this victim
mentality.
Like, oh, a childhood trauma.
Oh, I was bullied before.
And they kind of let themselvesstay in that moment.
How, what, What did it take foryou to really gain that
strength and like saying, youknow what, I don't care?
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Is it the confidence or what isit?
I'm really
Speaker 02 (04:31):
blessed to have really good parents and like a
really solid foundation.
My mom is like Mother Teresareincarnated.
I've never heard her swear.
I've actually never seen herwear makeup.
She's never purchased anythingdesigner.
She really laid the foundationfor like what you look like and
material goods aren't who youare.
It's what you do for otherpeople.
So I grew up kind of with thenotion of I am not this.
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I am how I make other peoplefeel or what I do for other
people.
So I give all credit to myparents.
I'd probably be really messedup if I didn't have the parents
that I have because every bigsuccess I have, like when I got
the call that I was going to goto the Oscars, right?
I called my mom and I was like,mom, it's my biggest dream.
I get to go to the Oscars.
And my mom was like, oh, that'sgreat.
But what have you done forsomebody today?
Like, cool.
You get to go to this thingthat people invented that people
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think is cool, but like Thathasn't affected anyone's day.
That hasn't changed anyone'sday for the better.
So all credit to my parents.
Truly, they laid thegroundwork.
Speaker 01 (05:23):
Which is so great because I feel like there's so
much pressure for women to lookgood.
And nowadays, everybody'sfocused so much on their looks,
how they look, how they presentthemselves.
But we don't invest so muchinto the personality.
And I feel like when you, youknow, age or get older, you
know, looks fade, but yourpersonality stay.
And you have, you know,obviously a great personality.
You're so real and like...
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I like the confidence in youthat you just don't give a, you
know, F.
Yeah.
What you look like or if it'sfunny, if it doesn't look
perfect.
Speaker 02 (05:51):
Yeah.
I think, too, once you startthinking like that, you will
almost feel free.
Like, as a woman, we arealmost...
the conditioned to believe thatthe way that we look is
everything that we are becausethe world can control us easier
if we believe that our onlyworth is found in the way that
we look.
So we get pitted against eachother.
You know, when we're young forboys, we are constantly fed all
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these advertisements where weare airbrushed and we have no
hair and we are perfectly madeup and we never really see women
being women.
And there's beauty inimperfection.
And I think the second we turnaway from that culture and we
say, listen, I'm not going to bethat.
I'm not going to be a tool foryou to use or manipulate.
I'm going to be myself.
Women will see the beauty inthat and women will start
fighting against that system andtruly being themselves.
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And then we'll see so many moresuccessful women.
Speaker 01 (06:38):
Yeah.
Because I feel like we're goingto get criticized no matter
what.
No matter what you do, you'restill going to get that
criticism.
But I feel you know, embracingthe confidence and giving women
that right and choice.
Hey, you have the right to notbe perfect, right?
You can be whatever you want,just own it.
Speaker 02 (06:56):
And there's literally like, I wish I could
tell the women that I modeledwith, because I saw some of the
most beautiful, beautiful women,like ones that look like they
were straight out of a magazine,airbrushed perfection, and they
are insecure they feel likethey are not beautiful and I
wish I could just like shakethem and be like there is so
much power in being yourself andalmost saying like screw you
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beauty standards you will soarto new heights because women
will see that in you becausethey want to also do that and
then you'll just have like abucket load of women that like
stand behind you and cheer youon and there's truly nothing
more powerful than like thenumber of women who I have like
in my dms or my comment sectionlike cheering me on they're the
reason I've been able toaccomplish this
Speaker 01 (07:34):
that's amazing let's talk about uh your billionaire
Boyfriend.
My dearest William.
But what I wanted to ask you,it's he comes out such a trashy
guy.
You know, the billionaire guy.
He's like treating you well.
He's cheating on you.
I mean, come on.
So speaking of that, if we talkabout the relationship, do you
believe that extremely wealthymen are not capable of love?
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Oh, no, not necessarily.
Speaker 02 (07:59):
I know a lot of amazing men that are also very
wealthy.
But growing up, you know, inthe modeling industry and
seeing...
The culture of very wealthy mendating very young women, I
sadly got to see some of myfriends go through that kind of
struggle of control.
Like when somebody pays foryour life, whether they like it
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or not, there is a level ofcontrol there, right?
Like they control yourfinances, so they technically
control some of the decision.
And I really want women to seethat.
I want women to know theirpower.
I want women to know that theyare very capable to be their own
billionaire.
They're very capable.
Do not sell yourself short.
There's nothing wrong withdating a very wealthy man.
There's nothing wrong withdating anyone wealthy.
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That's totally fine.
It's all in how they treat you.
And my billionaire boyfriendwas born because when I did my
apartment tour with CalebSimpson...
My entire comment section waswhat man pays for her life.
Oh, who paid for her plasticsurgery?
Who paid for her apartment?
Who paid for this?
And I was like, wow, all ofthese people want a man that
controls my life.
I'm going to make one up andgive it to them.
Love that.
But I'm going to dial up thesarcasm and really show what
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it's like to live under thethumb of a man that controls
your finances.
I want young women to see mypage and be like, wait, I can be
the billionaire.
Not my husband will be thebillionaire.
I can be the billionaire.
Speaker 01 (09:12):
I love that.
And if you flip it, say, I knowyou do have an amazing
boyfriend, but if you flip it,and say, if you fell in love
with a broke guy, what qualitiesin the man or like in general
in men are the most important toyou?
Speaker 02 (09:26):
Oh, honesty.
Honesty.
I want somebody that can tellme anything.
If you make a mistake, tell me.
If you've had a bad day, tellme.
If there's something thatyou've done in your life that
you're like, man, I reallyregret that.
Tell me because we're human andwe make tons of mistakes.
There are so many times thatI've said the wrong thing, done
the wrong thing.
And Sometimes it's reallyimportant to know the good and
the bad side of people.
And with my partner, I reallywant to know everything.
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I want to know his worst days,his best days, his biggest
secrets, the things he tellseveryone.
So I just think honesty andopenness is the most important
for me in a relationship.
Speaker 01 (09:57):
Is it the same as communication, probably?
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 02 (10:00):
It's like honesty and—I think communication should
just involve honesty, butunfortunately— Sometimes it
doesn't, right?
People communicate, butsometimes they're not honest
about
Speaker 01 (10:09):
it.
And I feel like it's soobvious, but I see a lot of
couples go through thisemotional immaturity, and it
feels like it's so obvious.
Just communicate, because ifyou have any problem, I feel
like you cannot have a situationthat you cannot resolve.
Exactly.
I
Speaker 02 (10:23):
think, too, you have to go into a relationship
thinking that that person isyour partner, your teammate, and
you guys are fighting on thesame team.
It's like if you're playing ina soccer match.
You're on the same team.
So if they mess up, you're notgoing to be like, I'm done with
this game.
I'm out.
The opponent is going to win.
You're on the same teamtogether.
So you need to figure out thosethings.
And if you can't, maybe it'stime to look for something else
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or maybe spend some time on yourown to figure out really why
you had those communicationissues.
Speaker 01 (10:49):
So where do you draw the line between like being too
clingy into someone's likebusiness and know everything,
which is great, but How do youdraw that line and still keep
the balance?
Oh, I'm such an open book.
I think
Speaker 02 (11:00):
followers know that too.
Like I'm an overshare.
I'll walk into a room and belike, want to know my deepest,
darkest secrets?
Like I'm also a yapper.
So I think that they just kindof come out as I'm yapping.
So I love somebody that isalmost clingy because I'm
clingy, but it's, It's like aself-aware clingy and a healthy
clingy.
I don't need someone.
I want someone.
Yeah, you found your match.
Yeah.
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Yeah, he's so sweet.
He's very sweet.
Did you say he was carryingsuitcases for you?
Yeah, he packed all mysuitcases this morning because I
was like so exhausted.
He's great.
You just got to have somebodythat's a partner in that.
Like he knew I was tired.
He knew I needed the help andhe did it without even asking.
Speaker 01 (11:35):
That's so
Speaker 02 (11:35):
sweet.
Fabulous.
Speaker 01 (11:36):
I'm not going to tell him that William called me
before the show and he said,after this, you have to straight
flight to New York, you know?
Speaker 02 (11:43):
I'll do it.
But William's been with hisassistant this entire week.
So William, I have some wordsfor you.
Speaker 01 (11:48):
Okay, William, make a note.
So let's talk about, you know,hate.
I've seen that you've been soreciprocate, especially in like
in hateful comments.
And I was like, wow, this womanis so strong because I don't
know if any regular person canhandle it.
How do you use that?
I don't know if it's a skill oryour mental state to help you
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in real life outside of theInternet.
Speaker 02 (12:14):
I think once you're a creator and you've experienced
like world level hate,eventually you're like, well, I
mean, what else can be said?
You know, it's almost like I'vebeen through many chapters of
hate.
started when I was younger in,you know, my local school.
And that felt overwhelming.
You know, 30 kids saying meanthings.
And I was like, I can't handlethis.
And then you grow and youchange and you become more
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confident.
And you also need to likesurround yourself with an
amazing support system.
My family and my friends areincredible.
I've had the same best friendsince kindergarten.
So she's been with me throughevery single like pillar of
hate.
And then it was, you know, highschool and then it was
modeling.
And then it almost culminatedin this, like the world hate of
content creation.
But You just have to rememberthat those people are probably
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hurting themselves.
So hurt people hurt people.
If somebody is pointing outthings about you online, you're
a stranger to them and they'repointing out like, hey, you have
a big forehead or like, hey, Idon't like the way you look in
this.
Something is going on withthem.
Nothing's going on with you.
Because would somebody, anormal person who's emotionally
stable, attack a strangeronline?
No.
They must be going throughsomething at home.
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And that's where I extend thegrace and the patience to be
like, you're going throughsomething.
It's a reflection of you, notof me.
Speaker 01 (13:26):
And I noticed you try to interact with these
people.
And I was like, I would justignore it.
Do you think it's better toignore or really give them that,
I don't know, satisfaction torespond to the hateful comments,
which I thought reallyadmirable.
But I was like, I don't knowhow much emotional strength you
have.
Do you actually read throughthe comments?
I do.
Yeah, I
Speaker 02 (13:45):
do.
I'm lucky enough to be over theage of 30.
And I feel like something inyour brain switches when you're
30 and you almost...
like turn into yourgrandparents when they would
just say anything and doanything.
Like you start getting closerto that.
Not like 30 is very youngstill, but you're more, the hate
bounces off of you a littlefaster, but I think it
completely depends on theperson.
I know people that have reallyintense insecurities and if
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they're brought up, like theyjust don't want to see it.
And there is absolutely a spacefor that.
If you're a creator, use hiddenwords, block those words so
that if a hater comes and triesto say it, You never see it.
It's never going to be in yourcomment section.
Save your mental health.
Prioritize that overeverything.
Speaker 01 (14:22):
Building this wall, right?
Exactly.
You don't allow the negativityto come through it.
Speaker 02 (14:27):
For me, it's almost sort of fun to play into it
because a lot of the hatecomments that you get, you're
already pretty self-aware of.
Like, I have a big forehead,but so did Tyra Banks.
Who cares?
I love your forehead.
What?
What?
But like at the end of the day,these are all things that like
don't define who I am.
We are literally just like abody bag of like organs and
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fluids.
That's all we are.
It's amazing that we're evenwalking, talking, seeing each
other, connecting with eachother.
So the fact that you're goingto hate on the body bag I was
given, I had no choice.
I couldn't like be like, hey,listen, God, make me hotter.
Like I can't.
So for you to hate on somethingthat's out of my control is
terrible.
Again, a reflection of you andyour character, not of mine.
So if I can play into it in acomedic way and lighten up my
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page for everyone so that theyknow that even the haters don't
phase me, although sometimesthey do.
I have my low days just likeeveryone.
I think it makes my page like abrighter and happier and more
fun place where you can poke funat even the things you're
insecure about.
Speaker 01 (15:24):
So you say you have low days, like looking at your
Instagram, I always feel like,oh my God, you live the perfect
life.
You're always happy.
Even though if you're nothappy, you still make fun of it.
So if you had like imaginarymirror in front of you on your
low days, what would you say toyourself?
Speaker 02 (15:41):
Ooh, you know, it's funny.
I actually, I film on my lowdays too, but I'm usually more
introspective about it.
Like I'll talk about the hate.
I actually have a spam page onTikTok that I'll post to where
I'll just like, talk calmlyabout the things that I
experience.
I think that what's so greatabout social media is you almost
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get to see this come up ofpeople that, I hate to use the
word celebrity, that like areknown to a group of people and
they're just a normal person.
Like they're just a girl and aphone or they started, you know,
in their parents' basement andThey just had a phone and
started posting and they'reexperiencing things that
celebrities experience.
But celebrities don't get to beas open about it because they
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have teams and they're protectedand PR and all of this stuff.
Well, creators, I think it'simportant for us to share our
low days and to be like, listen,guys, sometimes this is really,
really hard.
And sometimes you guys arereally mean and that hurts my
feelings.
And I think that that's myresponsibility, especially with
such a young audience.
to communicate that I'm a humanand these things hurt.
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And sometimes it'soverwhelming.
And sometimes I have days whereI fully, totally break down.
I crash out.
But I have my family to buildme up.
And I know that I'm more thanthe numbers and more than the
comments and I'm more than thehate.
Speaker 01 (16:56):
Yeah.
Well, I'll say you do have alot of strength being vulnerable
because not everybody can dothat.
And with that being said, Howmuch of your private life you
keep to yourself or you share orovershare everything?
Speaker 02 (17:07):
I think I
Speaker 01 (17:08):
overshare everything.
Speaker 02 (17:09):
I try to keep my dating life to myself, private,
just as like a courtesy to mypartner more than anything.
A lot of the times you don'tdate somebody in the social
media world.
So they might not want theirlife broadcasted to 20 million
people.
So I try to be, you know, I tryto have some patience and
timing with that and reallyunderstand if my partner wants
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to be there, wants to post withme or wants to maybe take a
backseat and wants privacy.
That's really the only areathat I've been kind of private
in.
I think I share everything elsewith everybody.
So how did it happen?
You guys just
Speaker 01 (17:41):
sit down and say, OK, are you willing for me to
show your face?
Basically.
Speaker 02 (17:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's basically like
Speaker 01 (17:47):
the
Speaker 02 (17:48):
contract with blood.
Yeah.
I'm like, hey, let's blood dualsoul this.
No, it's it's really just like,are you ready for the good, the
bad and the ugly when you putyourself out there?
We've been talking about it.
Hate comes your way.
And I would hate to putsomebody out there that isn't
ready for that or who just willnever be ready for that.
And that's OK.
You could be somebody that isnever ready for that.
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And to know that and beself-aware of that and to
purposely avoid spaces wherelike you will get that hate is
really important.
Speaker 01 (18:16):
I love that.
Let's talk a little bit aboutaging.
I know you spoke publicly and Ilove your opinion, but what do
you think about aging?
Reverse aging.
Have you heard about thatbillionaire?
What's his name?
Brian Johnson?
Yes.
What do you think about that?
If you had a chance, would yougo back to your 18 year old
self?
No.
Or would you age gracefully andlive like till 120 years?
Speaker 02 (18:36):
I mean, I, of course, I get Botox.
I want to feel good aboutmyself.
Like I'm going to get afacelift when I'm older.
I'm going to do all thosethings, but I'm not going to
chase youth.
I think something that my momreally did well for me is I've
never seen my mom get She'snever had surgery.
She's never had Botox.
She's never, she doesn't evenput on like the face lotion,
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nothing.
She just is what she is becauseshe says that she, who she is,
is not her body.
And I think that that's areally important thing just to
know in the back of your head.
Even if you want to get afacelift, even if you want to
like look younger, there'snothing wrong with that, right?
Like we want to feel confidentin ourselves, but that is not
who we are.
So make sure that instead ofputting your energy into it
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because you're like, I needpeople to accept me.
I need them to think I'mpretty.
I need...
you know, the world to acceptme, it should be like, hey, I
just really don't like thesagging skin and I kind of want
to pull it back.
But there's nothing wrong withthe sagging skin.
Like there's nothing notbeautiful about that.
It's society that made us thinkthat there's something wrong
with it.
Speaker 01 (19:35):
But I feel like so many women right now, overly
focused, especially in theplastic surgery.
I don't know if it's justCalifornia, overly.
And I feel sad because I'mlike, you actually look
beautiful.
You don't need any of thosemodifications but at the same
time it's some kind of internalvalidation I guess
Speaker 02 (19:52):
yeah and I mean think we both grew up in this
world it's tough for women weare constantly inundated with
images of youth and perfectionand that's what's considered to
be beautiful and so when you'reconstantly pumped into this idea
that like Only that isbeautiful.
I don't blame women for goingout and chasing that beauty
youth standard.
It's what we've been trained todo our entire lives.
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But I think it's reallyimportant that we don't judge
women in their battle with that.
If a woman gets tons of plasticsurgery, it's her body.
At the end of the day, herbody, it's her meat bag.
She can do whatever she wantswith it.
You want to dye yourselfpurple?
You want to pin your eyebrowsup to your forehead?
I don't care.
It's your body.
You live in your experience.
Do whatever you want with yourbody.
Just make sure that you areconstantly pushing back on those
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beauty norms because they don'tdefine you.
Speaker 01 (20:39):
I love that.
Well, let's talk a little bitabout social media trends.
Let's talk Instagram.
This is just my personalobservation.
Correct me if I'm wrong,speaking about beautiful.
Years ago, everybody was aboutthat perfect picture, filters.
Right now, I call it, I think,like ugly aesthetic.
When you, I don't know, you seethe celebrities post, like one
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picture is like blurry post.
Another one is like, Someonetook it like from under the
couch and the other was justlike, I'm in the mood.
What do you think?
And I'm just looking like, isit pretty?
Are they trying to like lookregular?
By the way, somebody took thatpicture, especially if it's a
couple.
Who took that picture?
Who was with you in the room?
The third wheel.
Or the timer.
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Oh, okay.
I didn't think about that.
So what do you think about theugly aesthetic?
Should the accounts be morepolished and beautiful or should
you just like pretend and youknow, almost like transform your
beautiful content to like beintentionally ugly.
Speaker 02 (21:39):
The Gen Z aesthetic, basically.
The Gen Z aesthetic.
There's been a lot of creatorsthat have done videos on like
the millennial aesthetic, right?
The Alexis Renz of the worldthat kind of set that beauty
standard of like perfectly,almost over-edited, like this
girl is a walking Barbie all theway to like, I mean, I do 0.5
photos of my forehead where it'sall forehead and like two
little beady eyes looking up.
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I just think it depends on theperson.
I think there are women thatprefer the aesthetic.
That's who they are.
I have one of my best friends,Maya, loves aesthetic photos.
That's what she loves.
It's what her interest is in.
She loves art.
She loves beauty.
She loves architecture.
I'm not that girl.
I prefer manic and crazy.
And I don't love to get dressedup as often.
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I love a red carpet, though.
I love to get dressed up for ared carpet.
But it Everybody is differentand that's the fun in the world
and that's the fun with contentis you get to see the world
through like so many people'svision.
And I think that it's importantto have variety there.
If you want to createaesthetically and it doesn't
like kill your soul because youconstantly feel like you have to
live up to that aesthetic, bean aesthetic creator.
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If you want to, you know, likenot have to worry at all about
the way that you look, Be acomedy creator or find something
in between.
Like there's so much space outthere for every single person.
Just do you and do whateverfeels right to you.
Speaker 01 (22:54):
So speaking of do you, I know you mentioned you
started doing five videos a dayfor like two years and two days
of vacation.
So how long did it take for youto find your aesthetic?
Or maybe walk us through yourprocess.
I guess maybe you have so manyquestions, like how do you even
edit your videos?
Like what's the site where youuse all of that?
(23:15):
CapGuy, girl.
Speaker 02 (23:15):
CapGuy.
Okay, okay.
Like I think when I firststarted, I almost felt so caged
by the modeling industry that Iwas like itching.
to just be myself.
So I almost just fell into whoI am because for so long I was
pretending to be a character.
I was trying to be this likeperfect, over edited, spray
tanned, makeup all the time,perfect outfits girl when that's
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not who I am.
I mean, and there's nothingwrong with being that girl
either.
I don't want to villainizeanyone who is that.
Like if that's who you are,that's who you are.
I was not that girl.
I was, you know, a super nerd.
I never wore makeup because mymom didn't even let me until I
was like 17 years old.
So I think that I very quicklylike found who I am because I
was waiting for the moment thatI could finally be who I am.
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But for me, I just kind of, Ilove the internet and I love
internet culture.
And the internet loves you.
Thank you.
I'm so grateful that they dobecause they have truly made my
dreams come true.
Like I wouldn't be here unlesspeople hit the follow button.
So they're truly who'sresponsible for my success.
Although my hard work helped,without them, I wouldn't be
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here.
Yeah.
So for me, I started, I didn'treally know content.
I watched Saturday Night Livewhen I was little.
That was my dream job was to beone of the like cast members on
Saturday Night Live.
I grew up watching CollegeHumor.
I grew up watching JennaMarbles.
So that, I already kind of knewmy lane.
Who's Jenna Marbles?
Oh, she was one of the originalYouTubers.
Okay, okay.
I don't know.
Comedy YouTuber.
Yeah.
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She's an icon and a legend.
And I just kind of grew upwatching that space.
So I always knew that thatspace was of interest to me.
So then when I startedcreating, I just got right into
that space.
And my first YouTube videos, Iedited on iMovie because I had
absolutely no idea how to edit.
So I sat there for 12 hours andI edited on iMovie.
Trial and error.
Trial and error.
(24:58):
Yeah.
I think if you really arepassionate about something, you
will not let anything stand inyour way and you'll teach
yourself.
Then it became CapCut.
Then I started to learn specialeffects.
I still edit the majority of mystuff on CapCut, but I write,
direct, post everything myself.
I don't have a team.
I...
If you see something on mysocial media, I have filmed it,
I have edited it, I've captionedit, I've scripted it, and I've
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posted it.
Speaker 01 (25:18):
Didn't you mention that one of your ex-boyfriends
was an editor?
Yes.
And he taught you some of thespecial tricks
Speaker 02 (25:25):
and special effects?
Yeah, I owe a lot to Maxbecause he was an incredible,
still is an
Speaker 01 (25:29):
incredible editor.
Get the number.
No,
Speaker 02 (25:31):
he has a production company now.
He's amazing.
He's so, so talented and yourfriends help you through a lot
of this.
And he helped me through a lotof this.
And he taught me how to editspecial effects.
I mean, the lightning videosalone were great learning
grounds for me to learn how totrack and to learn how to light,
to light the ground, to lightthe foreground, to light the
background.
All of those things like add upto making such good content.
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And if I didn't have thefriends that I had in place that
really lifted me up, I don'tthink I'd be here either.
Speaker 01 (25:59):
Well, I remember the eyebrow.
Yes, yes.
The eyebrow
Speaker 02 (26:02):
we do.
We were bored one weekend.
I remember it was like, oh, Ithink I had just gotten gotten
back from Miami I had worked forHugo Boss which was like insane
because when I was a model allmy agents told me well no you're
commercial you'll never workfor a designer so when I got to
do that as a content creator Iwas like I gotta prove
Speaker 01 (26:19):
them
Speaker 02 (26:19):
wrong right yeah it's like almost like quiet
success is the best revengeright so I was coming home from
that and then I we were justsitting on the couch and I was
like how hard would it be toshave off my eyebrow and he's
like that hard.
And we were like, okay.
I think we made eight videosover the course of the weekend,
edited all weekend long, andthey got like 250 million views.
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And it was another moment in mycareer that almost happened
accidentally.
that really boosted me up towhere I am today.
I wish it was a fly on thewall.
It's actually so not thatexciting.
It was literally me like, okay,you know, when you're doing
special effects, especiallysomething on the face, you can't
turn your head because you'regoing to lose the tracking data.
Speaker 01 (26:58):
Every second, you're like added by every second.
Yeah,
Speaker 02 (27:00):
and this was before AI too.
We were not using AI.
We were using Adobe AfterEffects and we were using a
plugin that I think it's calledlike lockdown that helps you
track anything on your skin.
Okay.
So it was way harder becauseyou can't like move your head.
You have to, you know, staystraight.
And so a lot of it was justfilming it correctly and then
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making sure we could edit it ina way that we were able to do it
because we're not movieeditors.
You know, we can't
Speaker 01 (27:25):
do the impossible.
We were just doing it on hisMacBook in my apartment.
The funniest one for me was, Iknow everybody talks about the
billionaire boyfriend, but myfavorite one is the, I don't
know what's his name, the guy ina cab.
The haircut.
When you put like...
Oh, you mean when I do...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The one with the freaking capand the hair coming out.
To me, it's like...
(27:47):
My douchebag?
Yeah.
Oh, the douchebag.
I was like, I need to give hima name.
Speaker 02 (27:51):
I do.
I really...
I think they have named him inthe past when I posted as him.
I have no...
I actually don't know.
We need to name him.
But whenever anyone comments,I'm like, hey, baby girl.
Yeah.
Like, hey.
Yeah, yeah, my douchebag hair.
I know.
I was like, damn, that's kindof hot.
It's so funny too, because whenpeople were doing the hear me
out cakes, you know, wherethey'd like put random people
like hear me out.
A lot of times it was me as aboy.
(28:12):
And I'm like, okay, thanksguys.
A lot of female fans.
I'm like a baby girl.
I love that.
I was
Speaker 01 (28:21):
like, damn, that's like, he has a
Speaker 02 (28:23):
personality.
Keeping up with my boyfriendover here.
Sometimes he gets home.
He'll get home and I'll fullyhave a mustache drawn on and
like a beard.
And I have my hair in my capand I'll just be like, come
here, baby.
And he's like, oh, my God,
Speaker 01 (28:36):
I feel like the mustache is missing.
Oh, yeah.
I really want to do.
I don't have it.
Speaker 02 (28:39):
I don't have it today.
I should have drawn it on.
Speaker 01 (28:41):
Yeah, I
Speaker 02 (28:41):
feel like you look pretty
Speaker 01 (28:43):
bare.
I think you look hot.
Just make sure it's not the.
Yeah, no, no, no.
We're not to be there.
We got to do the whole thing.
The whole thing.
Speaker 02 (28:49):
If I'm going to grow a beard, it's going to be a
good one.
Speaker 01 (28:51):
I can definitely see.
Thank you.
I'll be the first one tocomment on that one.
And I'll say, hey, baby girl.
Yes, baby girl.
It'll be perfect.
Well, I have like a few justlike small imaginary questions.
If you were strangled on theisland without no phone, no
Internet connection.
(29:12):
Walk me just really quick yourfirst day there on the island.
I mean,
Speaker 02 (29:16):
do I have anything?
No, nothing.
I'm done.
You're done.
You're like washed off theshore.
I'm just going to figure outhow I feel about dying because
I'm definitely going to die onthat island.
I'm alone.
It's not really up to me.
There's nothing there.
It's rude.
I mean, I've watched survivalshows.
I love Naked and Afraid.
But like, I don't think I couldlive.
I think I just have to getright with my God and be like,
okay, I think I'm going to die.
Speaker 01 (29:38):
Wait, so you're just
Speaker 02 (29:38):
going to sit on the
Speaker 01 (29:39):
sand and do nothing?
Speaker 02 (29:40):
I mean, I'll try.
I'll try.
I'll spell out.
I'll do the typical.
The SOS thing.
Yeah, spell out help.
But if it's just a bare islandwith one palm tree, we all know
what's going to happen here.
Unless I can bring one item andthat item is a boat, I'm
screwed.
Yeah.
I imagine the
Speaker 01 (29:54):
helicopter and like the zooming in and you're like,
hey, baby.
I'm like, hey, baby girl.
I'm just withering
Speaker 02 (29:59):
away.
Sun tanning.
Like I'm a ginger.
I will burn in one second.
So I think the sunburn alonewould kill me.
Like day two.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 01 (30:07):
What is, you said ginger.
What is the, what's the word?
Um, the right way to sayginger, redhead.
I'm like, I don't want tooffend anybody.
Oh, it's okay.
I'm a
Speaker 02 (30:16):
natural-born redhead.
I
Speaker 01 (30:18):
saw the video.
You're proving it because somepeople didn't believe you are.
People think I have brown hair.
I'm like, how dare you?
I was bullied for this.
I
Speaker 02 (30:24):
carry this.
You own it.
I own this.
I went through years ofridicule and bullying.
People would go like this overmy head.
They'd be like, sorry, my handsare cold.
I didn't go through that foryou to say I'm a brunette.
How dare you?
Like backslap.
Yeah, even though truly I don'tcare.
But yeah, I am.
I am a natural born redhead.
Speaker 01 (30:42):
And the second funny question is like if you had or
participated in like superpretentious dinner, what would
be like the most extravagantitem you would order like to,
you know, to shock the table?
Speaker 02 (30:53):
You know, what sucks about me is I didn't grow up
eating like fancy.
I grew up in Minnesota.
We lived on Chinese takeout.
So Chinese takeout is myfavorite thing to eat.
If you look at my DoorDashorders, it's like McDonald's,
KFC, Cold Stone.
And nobody believes this.
So I will literally show myDoorDash orders.
No one believes it, but I justlove fast food.
Truly, I don't like caviar.
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I don't like the fancy littlemeat and cheese trays.
I like American cheese.
I like string cheese.
I just don't really like fancystuff.
I love filet mignon and mashedpotatoes.
Speaker 01 (31:27):
Okay.
One time I went to a nail salonand the lady, she never left
California, right?
I said, I'm eating salad.
And she was like, just salad?
And she was like, what aboutthe dressing?
And I'm like, for us, like I'mcoming from Europe, we don't
really use a dressing.
It's just like olive oil,lemon.
I don't know.
Is it just me?
You just eat grass?
Yeah.
Speaker 02 (31:47):
Plain grass?
Speaker 01 (31:48):
Well, you add olive oil, lemon, pepper, and salt.
Oh, no, I would die.
No, no, no.
Give me like a Caesar.
A Caesar.
That's what she said.
That's what she said.
The dressing.
The
Speaker 02 (31:58):
dressing.
I'm like, what is that?
I almost pooped, though, when Ifound out that Caesar has
anchovies in it.
But I've gotten over that.
Yeah.
I'm like, girl, you're over theage of 30.
You can't be freaking out overanchovies.
So now I get extra Caesardressing when I get my Caesar
salads.
Speaker 01 (32:10):
Did you know I recently found out that Caesar
salad actually is made, wasinvented in Mexico?
I did not know that.
Apparently there was like areally rich lady in the hotel
and she asked the private chefto make her a salad and he only
had few ingredients.
So he came up and created thesalad and called it Caesar
salad, but it was invented inMexico by that chef.
I forgot his name.
(32:31):
I need to hug her.
Speaker 02 (32:32):
I really do because it's the only dressing that I
Speaker 01 (32:34):
love.
Speaker 02 (32:35):
Or the one at Panera Bread.
It's like the apple Fujichicken salad.
That thing slaps.
That's amazing.
Speaker 01 (32:42):
I don't go to Panera.
Speaker 02 (32:43):
Oh, it's amazing.
Speaker 01 (32:45):
Again, with the fast food.
Fast food, fast food.
So you don't eat anythinglike...
raw or
Speaker 02 (32:50):
not really I used to like back when I was modeling I
would meal plan I'd get likemeal plans and I didn't love
them but I would do it because Iwanted to be good at my job and
now that I'm a creator I canhave my body look any certain
way and I'm like give meMcDonald's I mean you look
fabulous
Speaker 01 (33:06):
thank you thank you to your jeans and to thank you
for mama thank you mom thank youmom it's my hyperthyroidism I'm
like yes no she's incredible itseems like she you know brought
you up real well and to wrap itup I know you do have a lot of
young followers young girlsAnything you can advise them or
recommend if they're goingthrough like dark times or
depression or like when theyfeel down?
(33:26):
What's like the one advice youwould share with them?
Don't suffer alone.
Speaker 02 (33:31):
Don't suffer alone.
I was somebody that alwaystried to like plaster a smile on
my face my whole life.
Like, I'm fine.
Everything's fine.
I'm, you know, I'm mature and Ican get through this and I'm
independent.
But don't.
Rely on your friends and familybecause if they were going
through something, you wouldwant them to tell you.
So don't.
tell your mom, tell your dad,tell your best friend, whoever
your comfort person is, yourboyfriend, your sibling.
(33:53):
Like I come to my sister, mybrother for things.
Tell somebody, like even ifit's a therapist, even if it's
an anonymous person on theinternet, just get it out
because it feels really good totalk about it.
And a lot of the times whenyou're talking about something
that you're going through, youalmost have little discoveries
in it where you learn more aboutyourself or you learn more
about like how to get through
Speaker 01 (34:12):
that.
Speaker 02 (34:12):
So don't suffer alone.
And you are so much more thanany, like what anyone says about
you.
You know you, you know who youare, the people at your school
who aren't your friends that aremaking fun of you, the people
online like that are trying tobring you down.
Again, it says so much moreabout their character than it
does about you when somebody istrying to be negative.
So rise above it.
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Just stay kind, stay humble andrely on your friends and
family.
Speaker 01 (34:36):
Wow.
I applaud it.
Thank you for this.
I really enjoyed thisinterview.
I like a million otherquestions, but I feel like I
like it.
You're such a pleasant personto talk to.
I feel like we could spend likeall night chatting.
Thank you.
But thank you so much for beingon The Basic Show.
Of course.
Thank you for having me.
Yes, thank you so much.
And I'm stealing this becauseit's delicious.
Yes, go ahead.
Go ahead, enjoy.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much, Hayley.
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Thank you.
Bye.
Bye.
and we never really see women." Being women.
Oh, a childhood trauma.
Oh, I was bullied before.
I'm actually pretty gratefulthat I went through a lot of
bullying growing up.
That you're going to hate onthe body bag I was given.
I had no choice.
I couldn't be like, hey,listen, God, make me hotter.
Looks fade,
Speaker 01 (00:16):
but your personality stays.
New insecurity, like someonecommented on the shape of my
elbow.
I don't want to offend anybody.
Pays for her life.
Oh, who paid for her plasticsurgery?
Extremely wealthy men are notcapable of love.
Speaker 02 (00:28):
Capable to be their own billionaire?
I can be the billionaire.
Trial and error, yeah.
Want to know my Welcome to TheBasic Show with
Speaker 01 (00:39):
Viktoriya
Speaker 02 (00:45):
Pashutin.
Speaker 01 (01:06):
All right, Hayley, welcome to The Basic Show.
Thank you for having me.
I'm so excited to have you.
You're like such aninspirational figure.
Thank you.
When I first saw your Instagrampost, I was like, oh my God,
this girl has a dream job.
She's beautiful, but she's alsofunny and she's not afraid to
be funny.
Because when I noticed most ofthe beautiful girls, they're so
afraid to be funny and they careso much about the image.
(01:29):
So how much of your real lifetranslates to your social media
funny skits?
Oh, man.
I think if
Speaker 02 (01:34):
you meet me in person, like I am my social
media, I try really hard to beas authentic as possible just
because before this, I was amodel, right?
So I was very much in that moldof like, I'm only supposed to
be pretty and I'm only supposedto be like a hanger for clothes.
And I'm only supposed to belike what my agents tell me to
be or what men want me to be orlike what my family wants me to
be.
And I think you get to a point,especially around your 30s,
(01:56):
where you're just like, I'm donebeing somebody else.
Like I'm done playing a part.
I want to play me.
I want to be me in my own life.
And so when I finallytransitioned from modeling to
social media, modeling hadalmost like killed my soul
because I wasn't being myself,which was almost my own fault
because I fell into the trap ofyou have to be something else in
order to be successful, whichyou don't.
(02:17):
Being yourself, you will takeoff.
Like you never even imagine theplaces you go until you are
yourself.
So when I transitioned tosocial media, I felt free.
It's like I almost broke freeof those binds that kept me like
this or posting swimsuit photosthat I thought were really
aesthetic.
Now I will post anything andeverything because that's who I
am.
Like I'm crazy and manic andfunny and calm and I'm all these
(02:41):
different things.
I want to show all those sidesof me.
And the most important thing isI'm not always looking perfect.
Like that's a pipe dream.
It'll never happen.
So I really want to show likethe duality of who I am on my
social media and show peopleespecially young women, that
it's totally okay and actuallycelebrated to be yourself.
Speaker 01 (02:58):
But were you scared?
Because first time when you dothe funny skits, would you scare
what people will think aboutyou in the beginning?
You know, I think...
I'm
Speaker 02 (03:06):
actually pretty grateful that I went through a
lot of bullying growing up.
So if you look at my oldpictures, like I was not the
cool kid.
I was never the cool kid.
So in middle school, I wasteased for my appearance.
In high school, I was teasedfor my personality.
Then I got to college andthankfully, like I was so
focused on academics that theteasing kind of stopped there.
But then you get into modelingand people start picking apart
(03:27):
every little bit of your faceand your body and Things that I
used to love about myself almostbecame new insecurities.
I would go to my friends and belike, oh, new insecurity.
Like someone commented on theshape of my elbow and it's too
pointy.
And I think that that almostbreaks you down to a point where
you don't care anymore becauseyou know even if you post like
the most celebratory photo ofyou where you think you look
(03:48):
perfect, you've facetunedyourself to perfection,
somebody's going to pointsomething out.
They're going to be like, whyis her baby toe so weird?
Or like she looks a littlecross-eyed.
So you can never escape that.
And you get to a point whereyou just know you can't escape
it.
So you're like, I might as wellbe myself because they're going
to tear me down, whether I'mmyself or trying to be like this
perfect person.
Speaker 01 (04:07):
But I loved how you use your bullying to transform
yourself and to become astronger person because a lot of
people use that as an excuseand get into this victim
mentality.
Like, oh, a childhood trauma.
Oh, I was bullied before.
And they kind of let themselvesstay in that moment.
How, what, What did it take foryou to really gain that
strength and like saying, youknow what, I don't care?
(04:28):
Is it the confidence or what isit?
I'm really
Speaker 02 (04:31):
blessed to have really good parents and like a
really solid foundation.
My mom is like Mother Teresareincarnated.
I've never heard her swear.
I've actually never seen herwear makeup.
She's never purchased anythingdesigner.
She really laid the foundationfor like what you look like and
material goods aren't who youare.
It's what you do for otherpeople.
So I grew up kind of with thenotion of I am not this.
(04:52):
I am how I make other peoplefeel or what I do for other
people.
So I give all credit to myparents.
I'd probably be really messedup if I didn't have the parents
that I have because every bigsuccess I have, like when I got
the call that I was going to goto the Oscars, right?
I called my mom and I was like,mom, it's my biggest dream.
I get to go to the Oscars.
And my mom was like, oh, that'sgreat.
But what have you done forsomebody today?
Like, cool.
You get to go to this thingthat people invented that people
(05:15):
think is cool, but like Thathasn't affected anyone's day.
That hasn't changed anyone'sday for the better.
So all credit to my parents.
Truly, they laid thegroundwork.
Speaker 01 (05:23):
Which is so great because I feel like there's so
much pressure for women to lookgood.
And nowadays, everybody'sfocused so much on their looks,
how they look, how they presentthemselves.
But we don't invest so muchinto the personality.
And I feel like when you, youknow, age or get older, you
know, looks fade, but yourpersonality stay.
And you have, you know,obviously a great personality.
You're so real and like...
(05:44):
I like the confidence in youthat you just don't give a, you
know, F.
Yeah.
What you look like or if it'sfunny, if it doesn't look
perfect.
Speaker 02 (05:51):
Yeah.
I think, too, once you startthinking like that, you will
almost feel free.
Like, as a woman, we arealmost...
the conditioned to believe thatthe way that we look is
everything that we are becausethe world can control us easier
if we believe that our onlyworth is found in the way that
we look.
So we get pitted against eachother.
You know, when we're young forboys, we are constantly fed all
(06:14):
these advertisements where weare airbrushed and we have no
hair and we are perfectly madeup and we never really see women
being women.
And there's beauty inimperfection.
And I think the second we turnaway from that culture and we
say, listen, I'm not going to bethat.
I'm not going to be a tool foryou to use or manipulate.
I'm going to be myself.
Women will see the beauty inthat and women will start
fighting against that system andtruly being themselves.
(06:37):
And then we'll see so many moresuccessful women.
Speaker 01 (06:38):
Yeah.
Because I feel like we're goingto get criticized no matter
what.
No matter what you do, you'restill going to get that
criticism.
But I feel you know, embracingthe confidence and giving women
that right and choice.
Hey, you have the right to notbe perfect, right?
You can be whatever you want,just own it.
Speaker 02 (06:56):
And there's literally like, I wish I could
tell the women that I modeledwith, because I saw some of the
most beautiful, beautiful women,like ones that look like they
were straight out of a magazine,airbrushed perfection, and they
are insecure they feel likethey are not beautiful and I
wish I could just like shakethem and be like there is so
much power in being yourself andalmost saying like screw you
(07:17):
beauty standards you will soarto new heights because women
will see that in you becausethey want to also do that and
then you'll just have like abucket load of women that like
stand behind you and cheer youon and there's truly nothing
more powerful than like thenumber of women who I have like
in my dms or my comment sectionlike cheering me on they're the
reason I've been able toaccomplish this
Speaker 01 (07:34):
that's amazing let's talk about uh your billionaire
Boyfriend.
My dearest William.
But what I wanted to ask you,it's he comes out such a trashy
guy.
You know, the billionaire guy.
He's like treating you well.
He's cheating on you.
I mean, come on.
So speaking of that, if we talkabout the relationship, do you
believe that extremely wealthymen are not capable of love?
(07:57):
Oh, no, not necessarily.
Speaker 02 (07:59):
I know a lot of amazing men that are also very
wealthy.
But growing up, you know, inthe modeling industry and
seeing...
The culture of very wealthy mendating very young women, I
sadly got to see some of myfriends go through that kind of
struggle of control.
Like when somebody pays foryour life, whether they like it
(08:19):
or not, there is a level ofcontrol there, right?
Like they control yourfinances, so they technically
control some of the decision.
And I really want women to seethat.
I want women to know theirpower.
I want women to know that theyare very capable to be their own
billionaire.
They're very capable.
Do not sell yourself short.
There's nothing wrong withdating a very wealthy man.
There's nothing wrong withdating anyone wealthy.
(08:41):
That's totally fine.
It's all in how they treat you.
And my billionaire boyfriendwas born because when I did my
apartment tour with CalebSimpson...
My entire comment section waswhat man pays for her life.
Oh, who paid for her plasticsurgery?
Who paid for her apartment?
Who paid for this?
And I was like, wow, all ofthese people want a man that
controls my life.
I'm going to make one up andgive it to them.
Love that.
But I'm going to dial up thesarcasm and really show what
(09:03):
it's like to live under thethumb of a man that controls
your finances.
I want young women to see mypage and be like, wait, I can be
the billionaire.
Not my husband will be thebillionaire.
I can be the billionaire.
Speaker 01 (09:12):
I love that.
And if you flip it, say, I knowyou do have an amazing
boyfriend, but if you flip it,and say, if you fell in love
with a broke guy, what qualitiesin the man or like in general
in men are the most important toyou?
Speaker 02 (09:26):
Oh, honesty.
Honesty.
I want somebody that can tellme anything.
If you make a mistake, tell me.
If you've had a bad day, tellme.
If there's something thatyou've done in your life that
you're like, man, I reallyregret that.
Tell me because we're human andwe make tons of mistakes.
There are so many times thatI've said the wrong thing, done
the wrong thing.
And Sometimes it's reallyimportant to know the good and
the bad side of people.
And with my partner, I reallywant to know everything.
(09:48):
I want to know his worst days,his best days, his biggest
secrets, the things he tellseveryone.
So I just think honesty andopenness is the most important
for me in a relationship.
Speaker 01 (09:57):
Is it the same as communication, probably?
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 02 (10:00):
It's like honesty and—I think communication should
just involve honesty, butunfortunately— Sometimes it
doesn't, right?
People communicate, butsometimes they're not honest
about
Speaker 01 (10:09):
it.
And I feel like it's soobvious, but I see a lot of
couples go through thisemotional immaturity, and it
feels like it's so obvious.
Just communicate, because ifyou have any problem, I feel
like you cannot have a situationthat you cannot resolve.
Exactly.
I
Speaker 02 (10:23):
think, too, you have to go into a relationship
thinking that that person isyour partner, your teammate, and
you guys are fighting on thesame team.
It's like if you're playing ina soccer match.
You're on the same team.
So if they mess up, you're notgoing to be like, I'm done with
this game.
I'm out.
The opponent is going to win.
You're on the same teamtogether.
So you need to figure out thosethings.
And if you can't, maybe it'stime to look for something else
(10:45):
or maybe spend some time on yourown to figure out really why
you had those communicationissues.
Speaker 01 (10:49):
So where do you draw the line between like being too
clingy into someone's likebusiness and know everything,
which is great, but How do youdraw that line and still keep
the balance?
Oh, I'm such an open book.
I think
Speaker 02 (11:00):
followers know that too.
Like I'm an overshare.
I'll walk into a room and belike, want to know my deepest,
darkest secrets?
Like I'm also a yapper.
So I think that they just kindof come out as I'm yapping.
So I love somebody that isalmost clingy because I'm
clingy, but it's, It's like aself-aware clingy and a healthy
clingy.
I don't need someone.
I want someone.
Yeah, you found your match.
Yeah.
(11:21):
Yeah, he's so sweet.
He's very sweet.
Did you say he was carryingsuitcases for you?
Yeah, he packed all mysuitcases this morning because I
was like so exhausted.
He's great.
You just got to have somebodythat's a partner in that.
Like he knew I was tired.
He knew I needed the help andhe did it without even asking.
Speaker 01 (11:35):
That's so
Speaker 02 (11:35):
sweet.
Fabulous.
Speaker 01 (11:36):
I'm not going to tell him that William called me
before the show and he said,after this, you have to straight
flight to New York, you know?
Speaker 02 (11:43):
I'll do it.
But William's been with hisassistant this entire week.
So William, I have some wordsfor you.
Speaker 01 (11:48):
Okay, William, make a note.
So let's talk about, you know,hate.
I've seen that you've been soreciprocate, especially in like
in hateful comments.
And I was like, wow, this womanis so strong because I don't
know if any regular person canhandle it.
How do you use that?
I don't know if it's a skill oryour mental state to help you
(12:11):
in real life outside of theInternet.
Speaker 02 (12:14):
I think once you're a creator and you've experienced
like world level hate,eventually you're like, well, I
mean, what else can be said?
You know, it's almost like I'vebeen through many chapters of
hate.
started when I was younger in,you know, my local school.
And that felt overwhelming.
You know, 30 kids saying meanthings.
And I was like, I can't handlethis.
And then you grow and youchange and you become more
(12:36):
confident.
And you also need to likesurround yourself with an
amazing support system.
My family and my friends areincredible.
I've had the same best friendsince kindergarten.
So she's been with me throughevery single like pillar of
hate.
And then it was, you know, highschool and then it was
modeling.
And then it almost culminatedin this, like the world hate of
content creation.
But You just have to rememberthat those people are probably
(12:58):
hurting themselves.
So hurt people hurt people.
If somebody is pointing outthings about you online, you're
a stranger to them and they'repointing out like, hey, you have
a big forehead or like, hey, Idon't like the way you look in
this.
Something is going on withthem.
Nothing's going on with you.
Because would somebody, anormal person who's emotionally
stable, attack a strangeronline?
No.
They must be going throughsomething at home.
(13:19):
And that's where I extend thegrace and the patience to be
like, you're going throughsomething.
It's a reflection of you, notof me.
Speaker 01 (13:26):
And I noticed you try to interact with these
people.
And I was like, I would justignore it.
Do you think it's better toignore or really give them that,
I don't know, satisfaction torespond to the hateful comments,
which I thought reallyadmirable.
But I was like, I don't knowhow much emotional strength you
have.
Do you actually read throughthe comments?
I do.
Yeah, I
Speaker 02 (13:45):
do.
I'm lucky enough to be over theage of 30.
And I feel like something inyour brain switches when you're
30 and you almost...
like turn into yourgrandparents when they would
just say anything and doanything.
Like you start getting closerto that.
Not like 30 is very youngstill, but you're more, the hate
bounces off of you a littlefaster, but I think it
completely depends on theperson.
I know people that have reallyintense insecurities and if
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they're brought up, like theyjust don't want to see it.
And there is absolutely a spacefor that.
If you're a creator, use hiddenwords, block those words so
that if a hater comes and triesto say it, You never see it.
It's never going to be in yourcomment section.
Save your mental health.
Prioritize that overeverything.
Speaker 01 (14:22):
Building this wall, right?
Exactly.
You don't allow the negativityto come through it.
Speaker 02 (14:27):
For me, it's almost sort of fun to play into it
because a lot of the hatecomments that you get, you're
already pretty self-aware of.
Like, I have a big forehead,but so did Tyra Banks.
Who cares?
I love your forehead.
What?
What?
But like at the end of the day,these are all things that like
don't define who I am.
We are literally just like abody bag of like organs and
(14:49):
fluids.
That's all we are.
It's amazing that we're evenwalking, talking, seeing each
other, connecting with eachother.
So the fact that you're goingto hate on the body bag I was
given, I had no choice.
I couldn't like be like, hey,listen, God, make me hotter.
Like I can't.
So for you to hate on somethingthat's out of my control is
terrible.
Again, a reflection of you andyour character, not of mine.
So if I can play into it in acomedic way and lighten up my
(15:11):
page for everyone so that theyknow that even the haters don't
phase me, although sometimesthey do.
I have my low days just likeeveryone.
I think it makes my page like abrighter and happier and more
fun place where you can poke funat even the things you're
insecure about.
Speaker 01 (15:24):
So you say you have low days, like looking at your
Instagram, I always feel like,oh my God, you live the perfect
life.
You're always happy.
Even though if you're nothappy, you still make fun of it.
So if you had like imaginarymirror in front of you on your
low days, what would you say toyourself?
Speaker 02 (15:41):
Ooh, you know, it's funny.
I actually, I film on my lowdays too, but I'm usually more
introspective about it.
Like I'll talk about the hate.
I actually have a spam page onTikTok that I'll post to where
I'll just like, talk calmlyabout the things that I
experience.
I think that what's so greatabout social media is you almost
(16:01):
get to see this come up ofpeople that, I hate to use the
word celebrity, that like areknown to a group of people and
they're just a normal person.
Like they're just a girl and aphone or they started, you know,
in their parents' basement andThey just had a phone and
started posting and they'reexperiencing things that
celebrities experience.
But celebrities don't get to beas open about it because they
(16:23):
have teams and they're protectedand PR and all of this stuff.
Well, creators, I think it'simportant for us to share our
low days and to be like, listen,guys, sometimes this is really,
really hard.
And sometimes you guys arereally mean and that hurts my
feelings.
And I think that that's myresponsibility, especially with
such a young audience.
to communicate that I'm a humanand these things hurt.
(16:44):
And sometimes it'soverwhelming.
And sometimes I have days whereI fully, totally break down.
I crash out.
But I have my family to buildme up.
And I know that I'm more thanthe numbers and more than the
comments and I'm more than thehate.
Speaker 01 (16:56):
Yeah.
Well, I'll say you do have alot of strength being vulnerable
because not everybody can dothat.
And with that being said, Howmuch of your private life you
keep to yourself or you share orovershare everything?
Speaker 02 (17:07):
I think I
Speaker 01 (17:08):
overshare everything.
Speaker 02 (17:09):
I try to keep my dating life to myself, private,
just as like a courtesy to mypartner more than anything.
A lot of the times you don'tdate somebody in the social
media world.
So they might not want theirlife broadcasted to 20 million
people.
So I try to be, you know, I tryto have some patience and
timing with that and reallyunderstand if my partner wants
(17:29):
to be there, wants to post withme or wants to maybe take a
backseat and wants privacy.
That's really the only areathat I've been kind of private
in.
I think I share everything elsewith everybody.
So how did it happen?
You guys just
Speaker 01 (17:41):
sit down and say, OK, are you willing for me to
show your face?
Basically.
Speaker 02 (17:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's basically like
Speaker 01 (17:47):
the
Speaker 02 (17:48):
contract with blood.
Yeah.
I'm like, hey, let's blood dualsoul this.
No, it's it's really just like,are you ready for the good, the
bad and the ugly when you putyourself out there?
We've been talking about it.
Hate comes your way.
And I would hate to putsomebody out there that isn't
ready for that or who just willnever be ready for that.
And that's OK.
You could be somebody that isnever ready for that.
(18:09):
And to know that and beself-aware of that and to
purposely avoid spaces wherelike you will get that hate is
really important.
Speaker 01 (18:16):
I love that.
Let's talk a little bit aboutaging.
I know you spoke publicly and Ilove your opinion, but what do
you think about aging?
Reverse aging.
Have you heard about thatbillionaire?
What's his name?
Brian Johnson?
Yes.
What do you think about that?
If you had a chance, would yougo back to your 18 year old
self?
No.
Or would you age gracefully andlive like till 120 years?
Speaker 02 (18:36):
I mean, I, of course, I get Botox.
I want to feel good aboutmyself.
Like I'm going to get afacelift when I'm older.
I'm going to do all thosethings, but I'm not going to
chase youth.
I think something that my momreally did well for me is I've
never seen my mom get She'snever had surgery.
She's never had Botox.
She's never, she doesn't evenput on like the face lotion,
(18:57):
nothing.
She just is what she is becauseshe says that she, who she is,
is not her body.
And I think that that's areally important thing just to
know in the back of your head.
Even if you want to get afacelift, even if you want to
like look younger, there'snothing wrong with that, right?
Like we want to feel confidentin ourselves, but that is not
who we are.
So make sure that instead ofputting your energy into it
(19:17):
because you're like, I needpeople to accept me.
I need them to think I'mpretty.
I need...
you know, the world to acceptme, it should be like, hey, I
just really don't like thesagging skin and I kind of want
to pull it back.
But there's nothing wrong withthe sagging skin.
Like there's nothing notbeautiful about that.
It's society that made us thinkthat there's something wrong
with it.
Speaker 01 (19:35):
But I feel like so many women right now, overly
focused, especially in theplastic surgery.
I don't know if it's justCalifornia, overly.
And I feel sad because I'mlike, you actually look
beautiful.
You don't need any of thosemodifications but at the same
time it's some kind of internalvalidation I guess
Speaker 02 (19:52):
yeah and I mean think we both grew up in this
world it's tough for women weare constantly inundated with
images of youth and perfectionand that's what's considered to
be beautiful and so when you'reconstantly pumped into this idea
that like Only that isbeautiful.
I don't blame women for goingout and chasing that beauty
youth standard.
It's what we've been trained todo our entire lives.
(20:14):
But I think it's reallyimportant that we don't judge
women in their battle with that.
If a woman gets tons of plasticsurgery, it's her body.
At the end of the day, herbody, it's her meat bag.
She can do whatever she wantswith it.
You want to dye yourselfpurple?
You want to pin your eyebrowsup to your forehead?
I don't care.
It's your body.
You live in your experience.
Do whatever you want with yourbody.
Just make sure that you areconstantly pushing back on those
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beauty norms because they don'tdefine you.
Speaker 01 (20:39):
I love that.
Well, let's talk a little bitabout social media trends.
Let's talk Instagram.
This is just my personalobservation.
Correct me if I'm wrong,speaking about beautiful.
Years ago, everybody was aboutthat perfect picture, filters.
Right now, I call it, I think,like ugly aesthetic.
When you, I don't know, you seethe celebrities post, like one
(21:00):
picture is like blurry post.
Another one is like, Someonetook it like from under the
couch and the other was justlike, I'm in the mood.
What do you think?
And I'm just looking like, isit pretty?
Are they trying to like lookregular?
By the way, somebody took thatpicture, especially if it's a
couple.
Who took that picture?
Who was with you in the room?
The third wheel.
Or the timer.
(21:21):
Oh, okay.
I didn't think about that.
So what do you think about theugly aesthetic?
Should the accounts be morepolished and beautiful or should
you just like pretend and youknow, almost like transform your
beautiful content to like beintentionally ugly.
Speaker 02 (21:39):
The Gen Z aesthetic, basically.
The Gen Z aesthetic.
There's been a lot of creatorsthat have done videos on like
the millennial aesthetic, right?
The Alexis Renz of the worldthat kind of set that beauty
standard of like perfectly,almost over-edited, like this
girl is a walking Barbie all theway to like, I mean, I do 0.5
photos of my forehead where it'sall forehead and like two
little beady eyes looking up.
(22:00):
I just think it depends on theperson.
I think there are women thatprefer the aesthetic.
That's who they are.
I have one of my best friends,Maya, loves aesthetic photos.
That's what she loves.
It's what her interest is in.
She loves art.
She loves beauty.
She loves architecture.
I'm not that girl.
I prefer manic and crazy.
And I don't love to get dressedup as often.
(22:22):
I love a red carpet, though.
I love to get dressed up for ared carpet.
But it Everybody is differentand that's the fun in the world
and that's the fun with contentis you get to see the world
through like so many people'svision.
And I think that it's importantto have variety there.
If you want to createaesthetically and it doesn't
like kill your soul because youconstantly feel like you have to
live up to that aesthetic, bean aesthetic creator.
(22:42):
If you want to, you know, likenot have to worry at all about
the way that you look, Be acomedy creator or find something
in between.
Like there's so much space outthere for every single person.
Just do you and do whateverfeels right to you.
Speaker 01 (22:54):
So speaking of do you, I know you mentioned you
started doing five videos a dayfor like two years and two days
of vacation.
So how long did it take for youto find your aesthetic?
Or maybe walk us through yourprocess.
I guess maybe you have so manyquestions, like how do you even
edit your videos?
Like what's the site where youuse all of that?
(23:15):
CapGuy, girl.
Speaker 02 (23:15):
CapGuy.
Okay, okay.
Like I think when I firststarted, I almost felt so caged
by the modeling industry that Iwas like itching.
to just be myself.
So I almost just fell into whoI am because for so long I was
pretending to be a character.
I was trying to be this likeperfect, over edited, spray
tanned, makeup all the time,perfect outfits girl when that's
(23:35):
not who I am.
I mean, and there's nothingwrong with being that girl
either.
I don't want to villainizeanyone who is that.
Like if that's who you are,that's who you are.
I was not that girl.
I was, you know, a super nerd.
I never wore makeup because mymom didn't even let me until I
was like 17 years old.
So I think that I very quicklylike found who I am because I
was waiting for the moment thatI could finally be who I am.
(23:56):
But for me, I just kind of, Ilove the internet and I love
internet culture.
And the internet loves you.
Thank you.
I'm so grateful that they dobecause they have truly made my
dreams come true.
Like I wouldn't be here unlesspeople hit the follow button.
So they're truly who'sresponsible for my success.
Although my hard work helped,without them, I wouldn't be
(24:16):
here.
Yeah.
So for me, I started, I didn'treally know content.
I watched Saturday Night Livewhen I was little.
That was my dream job was to beone of the like cast members on
Saturday Night Live.
I grew up watching CollegeHumor.
I grew up watching JennaMarbles.
So that, I already kind of knewmy lane.
Who's Jenna Marbles?
Oh, she was one of the originalYouTubers.
Okay, okay.
I don't know.
Comedy YouTuber.
Yeah.
(24:37):
She's an icon and a legend.
And I just kind of grew upwatching that space.
So I always knew that thatspace was of interest to me.
So then when I startedcreating, I just got right into
that space.
And my first YouTube videos, Iedited on iMovie because I had
absolutely no idea how to edit.
So I sat there for 12 hours andI edited on iMovie.
Trial and error.
Trial and error.
(24:58):
Yeah.
I think if you really arepassionate about something, you
will not let anything stand inyour way and you'll teach
yourself.
Then it became CapCut.
Then I started to learn specialeffects.
I still edit the majority of mystuff on CapCut, but I write,
direct, post everything myself.
I don't have a team.
I...
If you see something on mysocial media, I have filmed it,
I have edited it, I've captionedit, I've scripted it, and I've
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posted it.
Speaker 01 (25:18):
Didn't you mention that one of your ex-boyfriends
was an editor?
Yes.
And he taught you some of thespecial tricks
Speaker 02 (25:25):
and special effects?
Yeah, I owe a lot to Maxbecause he was an incredible,
still is an
Speaker 01 (25:29):
incredible editor.
Get the number.
No,
Speaker 02 (25:31):
he has a production company now.
He's amazing.
He's so, so talented and yourfriends help you through a lot
of this.
And he helped me through a lotof this.
And he taught me how to editspecial effects.
I mean, the lightning videosalone were great learning
grounds for me to learn how totrack and to learn how to light,
to light the ground, to lightthe foreground, to light the
background.
All of those things like add upto making such good content.
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And if I didn't have thefriends that I had in place that
really lifted me up, I don'tthink I'd be here either.
Speaker 01 (25:59):
Well, I remember the eyebrow.
Yes, yes.
The eyebrow
Speaker 02 (26:02):
we do.
We were bored one weekend.
I remember it was like, oh, Ithink I had just gotten gotten
back from Miami I had worked forHugo Boss which was like insane
because when I was a model allmy agents told me well no you're
commercial you'll never workfor a designer so when I got to
do that as a content creator Iwas like I gotta prove
Speaker 01 (26:19):
them
Speaker 02 (26:19):
wrong right yeah it's like almost like quiet
success is the best revengeright so I was coming home from
that and then I we were justsitting on the couch and I was
like how hard would it be toshave off my eyebrow and he's
like that hard.
And we were like, okay.
I think we made eight videosover the course of the weekend,
edited all weekend long, andthey got like 250 million views.
(26:39):
And it was another moment in mycareer that almost happened
accidentally.
that really boosted me up towhere I am today.
I wish it was a fly on thewall.
It's actually so not thatexciting.
It was literally me like, okay,you know, when you're doing
special effects, especiallysomething on the face, you can't
turn your head because you'regoing to lose the tracking data.
Speaker 01 (26:58):
Every second, you're like added by every second.
Yeah,
Speaker 02 (27:00):
and this was before AI too.
We were not using AI.
We were using Adobe AfterEffects and we were using a
plugin that I think it's calledlike lockdown that helps you
track anything on your skin.
Okay.
So it was way harder becauseyou can't like move your head.
You have to, you know, staystraight.
And so a lot of it was justfilming it correctly and then
(27:20):
making sure we could edit it ina way that we were able to do it
because we're not movieeditors.
You know, we can't
Speaker 01 (27:25):
do the impossible.
We were just doing it on hisMacBook in my apartment.
The funniest one for me was, Iknow everybody talks about the
billionaire boyfriend, but myfavorite one is the, I don't
know what's his name, the guy ina cab.
The haircut.
When you put like...
Oh, you mean when I do...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The one with the freaking capand the hair coming out.
To me, it's like...
(27:47):
My douchebag?
Yeah.
Oh, the douchebag.
I was like, I need to give hima name.
Speaker 02 (27:51):
I do.
I really...
I think they have named him inthe past when I posted as him.
I have no...
I actually don't know.
We need to name him.
But whenever anyone comments,I'm like, hey, baby girl.
Yeah.
Like, hey.
Yeah, yeah, my douchebag hair.
I know.
I was like, damn, that's kindof hot.
It's so funny too, because whenpeople were doing the hear me
out cakes, you know, wherethey'd like put random people
like hear me out.
A lot of times it was me as aboy.
(28:12):
And I'm like, okay, thanksguys.
A lot of female fans.
I'm like a baby girl.
I love that.
I was
Speaker 01 (28:21):
like, damn, that's like, he has a
Speaker 02 (28:23):
personality.
Keeping up with my boyfriendover here.
Sometimes he gets home.
He'll get home and I'll fullyhave a mustache drawn on and
like a beard.
And I have my hair in my capand I'll just be like, come
here, baby.
And he's like, oh, my God,
Speaker 01 (28:36):
I feel like the mustache is missing.
Oh, yeah.
I really want to do.
I don't have it.
Speaker 02 (28:39):
I don't have it today.
I should have drawn it on.
Speaker 01 (28:41):
Yeah, I
Speaker 02 (28:41):
feel like you look pretty
Speaker 01 (28:43):
bare.
I think you look hot.
Just make sure it's not the.
Yeah, no, no, no.
We're not to be there.
We got to do the whole thing.
The whole thing.
Speaker 02 (28:49):
If I'm going to grow a beard, it's going to be a
good one.
Speaker 01 (28:51):
I can definitely see.
Thank you.
I'll be the first one tocomment on that one.
And I'll say, hey, baby girl.
Yes, baby girl.
It'll be perfect.
Well, I have like a few justlike small imaginary questions.
If you were strangled on theisland without no phone, no
Internet connection.
(29:12):
Walk me just really quick yourfirst day there on the island.
I mean,
Speaker 02 (29:16):
do I have anything?
No, nothing.
I'm done.
You're done.
You're like washed off theshore.
I'm just going to figure outhow I feel about dying because
I'm definitely going to die onthat island.
I'm alone.
It's not really up to me.
There's nothing there.
It's rude.
I mean, I've watched survivalshows.
I love Naked and Afraid.
But like, I don't think I couldlive.
I think I just have to getright with my God and be like,
okay, I think I'm going to die.
Speaker 01 (29:38):
Wait, so you're just
Speaker 02 (29:38):
going to sit on the
Speaker 01 (29:39):
sand and do nothing?
Speaker 02 (29:40):
I mean, I'll try.
I'll try.
I'll spell out.
I'll do the typical.
The SOS thing.
Yeah, spell out help.
But if it's just a bare islandwith one palm tree, we all know
what's going to happen here.
Unless I can bring one item andthat item is a boat, I'm
screwed.
Yeah.
I imagine the
Speaker 01 (29:54):
helicopter and like the zooming in and you're like,
hey, baby.
I'm like, hey, baby girl.
I'm just withering
Speaker 02 (29:59):
away.
Sun tanning.
Like I'm a ginger.
I will burn in one second.
So I think the sunburn alonewould kill me.
Like day two.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 01 (30:07):
What is, you said ginger.
What is the, what's the word?
Um, the right way to sayginger, redhead.
I'm like, I don't want tooffend anybody.
Oh, it's okay.
I'm a
Speaker 02 (30:16):
natural-born redhead.
I
Speaker 01 (30:18):
saw the video.
You're proving it because somepeople didn't believe you are.
People think I have brown hair.
I'm like, how dare you?
I was bullied for this.
I
Speaker 02 (30:24):
carry this.
You own it.
I own this.
I went through years ofridicule and bullying.
People would go like this overmy head.
They'd be like, sorry, my handsare cold.
I didn't go through that foryou to say I'm a brunette.
How dare you?
Like backslap.
Yeah, even though truly I don'tcare.
But yeah, I am.
I am a natural born redhead.
Speaker 01 (30:42):
And the second funny question is like if you had or
participated in like superpretentious dinner, what would
be like the most extravagantitem you would order like to,
you know, to shock the table?
Speaker 02 (30:53):
You know, what sucks about me is I didn't grow up
eating like fancy.
I grew up in Minnesota.
We lived on Chinese takeout.
So Chinese takeout is myfavorite thing to eat.
If you look at my DoorDashorders, it's like McDonald's,
KFC, Cold Stone.
And nobody believes this.
So I will literally show myDoorDash orders.
No one believes it, but I justlove fast food.
Truly, I don't like caviar.
(31:15):
I don't like the fancy littlemeat and cheese trays.
I like American cheese.
I like string cheese.
I just don't really like fancystuff.
I love filet mignon and mashedpotatoes.
Speaker 01 (31:27):
Okay.
One time I went to a nail salonand the lady, she never left
California, right?
I said, I'm eating salad.
And she was like, just salad?
And she was like, what aboutthe dressing?
And I'm like, for us, like I'mcoming from Europe, we don't
really use a dressing.
It's just like olive oil,lemon.
I don't know.
Is it just me?
You just eat grass?
Yeah.
Speaker 02 (31:47):
Plain grass?
Speaker 01 (31:48):
Well, you add olive oil, lemon, pepper, and salt.
Oh, no, I would die.
No, no, no.
Give me like a Caesar.
A Caesar.
That's what she said.
That's what she said.
The dressing.
The
Speaker 02 (31:58):
dressing.
I'm like, what is that?
I almost pooped, though, when Ifound out that Caesar has
anchovies in it.
But I've gotten over that.
Yeah.
I'm like, girl, you're over theage of 30.
You can't be freaking out overanchovies.
So now I get extra Caesardressing when I get my Caesar
salads.
Speaker 01 (32:10):
Did you know I recently found out that Caesar
salad actually is made, wasinvented in Mexico?
I did not know that.
Apparently there was like areally rich lady in the hotel
and she asked the private chefto make her a salad and he only
had few ingredients.
So he came up and created thesalad and called it Caesar
salad, but it was invented inMexico by that chef.
I forgot his name.
(32:31):
I need to hug her.
Speaker 02 (32:32):
I really do because it's the only dressing that I
Speaker 01 (32:34):
love.
Speaker 02 (32:35):
Or the one at Panera Bread.
It's like the apple Fujichicken salad.
That thing slaps.
That's amazing.
Speaker 01 (32:42):
I don't go to Panera.
Speaker 02 (32:43):
Oh, it's amazing.
Speaker 01 (32:45):
Again, with the fast food.
Fast food, fast food.
So you don't eat anythinglike...
raw or
Speaker 02 (32:50):
not really I used to like back when I was modeling I
would meal plan I'd get likemeal plans and I didn't love
them but I would do it because Iwanted to be good at my job and
now that I'm a creator I canhave my body look any certain
way and I'm like give meMcDonald's I mean you look
fabulous
Speaker 01 (33:06):
thank you thank you to your jeans and to thank you
for mama thank you mom thank youmom it's my hyperthyroidism I'm
like yes no she's incredible itseems like she you know brought
you up real well and to wrap itup I know you do have a lot of
young followers young girlsAnything you can advise them or
recommend if they're goingthrough like dark times or
depression or like when theyfeel down?
(33:26):
What's like the one advice youwould share with them?
Don't suffer alone.
Speaker 02 (33:31):
Don't suffer alone.
I was somebody that alwaystried to like plaster a smile on
my face my whole life.
Like, I'm fine.
Everything's fine.
I'm, you know, I'm mature and Ican get through this and I'm
independent.
But don't.
Rely on your friends and familybecause if they were going
through something, you wouldwant them to tell you.
So don't.
tell your mom, tell your dad,tell your best friend, whoever
your comfort person is, yourboyfriend, your sibling.
(33:53):
Like I come to my sister, mybrother for things.
Tell somebody, like even ifit's a therapist, even if it's
an anonymous person on theinternet, just get it out
because it feels really good totalk about it.
And a lot of the times whenyou're talking about something
that you're going through, youalmost have little discoveries
in it where you learn more aboutyourself or you learn more
about like how to get through
Speaker 01 (34:12):
that.
Speaker 02 (34:12):
So don't suffer alone.
And you are so much more thanany, like what anyone says about
you.
You know you, you know who youare, the people at your school
who aren't your friends that aremaking fun of you, the people
online like that are trying tobring you down.
Again, it says so much moreabout their character than it
does about you when somebody istrying to be negative.
So rise above it.
(34:33):
Just stay kind, stay humble andrely on your friends and
family.
Speaker 01 (34:36):
Wow.
I applaud it.
Thank you for this.
I really enjoyed thisinterview.
I like a million otherquestions, but I feel like I
like it.
You're such a pleasant personto talk to.
I feel like we could spend likeall night chatting.
Thank you.
But thank you so much for beingon The Basic Show.
Of course.
Thank you for having me.
Yes, thank you so much.
And I'm stealing this becauseit's delicious.
Yes, go ahead.
Go ahead, enjoy.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much, Hayley.
(35:04):
Thank you.
Bye.
Bye.
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