October 1, 2025 • 48 mins
Pedro Correa: Vulnerability, Stoicism & Finding Strength in Imperfection | The BASIC Show w/ Viktorija Pashuta
In this episode of The BASIC Show, host Viktorija Pashuta sits down with actor, writer, and filmmaker Pedro Correa (My Dead Dad, TIFF 2025’s Swiped) for a raw and inspiring conversation about resilience, masculinity, and the messy path of chasing art.
Pedro opens up about:
💫 Growing up between Seattle, Whistler, and the Middle East—and how danger shaped him
🧠 Why bottling emotions backfires, and how stoicism helps turn setbacks into fuel
🎯 Losing his “dream role” but creating his own film (My Dead Dad) that sold to HBO Max
🌍 Reconciling with his estranged father after a near-death battle with lung cancer
⚡ The importance of doing things that scare you (“controlled danger” → yes to raves)
🏆 Balancing glossy craft with one intentional imperfection—the “Jenga piece” effect
This episode blends Hollywood grit, philosophy, and emotional honesty. If you’ve ever struggled with vulnerability, or wondered how to turn obstacles into opportunity, Pedro’s story will resonate deeply.
🎧 Listen now and share: What’s one fear you’ll face this week?
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SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
I'm learning that men have feelings and can
express them, honestly.
I found, at least in my journeyof of purposely scaring myself
with almost going to prison, heended up actually getting his
lung removed, uh, which I didn'tknow was possible to live and he
survived by a sliver of fate.
SPEAKER_00 (00:17):
You have pigs, camels, dogs, cats, kids, cows,
goats.
Anything you can imagine is inone street.
SPEAKER_03 (00:25):
But I lost all this weight.
I I grew up my hair.
I got chased by a bear thereonce.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
Once?
SPEAKER_03 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, on a mountain.
I grew up surrounded by graffitiartists and and some people, you
know, a lot of my early friendsuh either ended up in jail or
dead.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01):
All right, hello, beautiful people.
Welcome to the basic show.
We are officially at season fourthemed dark matter.
And today I have a very specialguest, Pedro Correa.
Woo! Thank you for being on theapplause.
I'm very excited to have you onthe basic show.
(01:21):
I know you messaged me andthings aligned, and we had an
opportunity.
And I know, if I'm not mistaken,if I stalked to Instagram
correctly, you just came backfrom Canada.
SPEAKER_03 (01:31):
Uh yes, yeah.
I was at TIFF uh for this moviethat I'm in.
Have a little fun roll in,swiped.
Uh we premiered over there.
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (01:38):
I hadn't been to Canada in like 10 years.
I was like walking around beinglike, oh yeah, this is another
country.
But I like it.
Right?
I like that country.
SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
So that's not your first time you've been there.
You've been there.
SPEAKER_03 (01:48):
Uh no, I grew up a little bit all over, but one of
my home bases was Seattle,Washington, when I was growing
up.
And Seattle is very close toVancouver in Canada.
And so I spent some time inWhistler when I was like a
little baby.
I got chased by a bear thereonce.
SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
What?
SPEAKER_03 (02:04):
Yeah, yeah, on a mountain.
SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
Well, obviously you won.
SPEAKER_03 (02:07):
I won.
You don't want to see the bear.
SPEAKER_00 (02:09):
You want to see the other guy.
Okay, so uh your mother um is ateacher, right?
That's why you travel to so manyplaces.
SPEAKER_03 (02:16):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, she's an elementary schoolteacher for international
schools around the world.
So I get some crazy Christmasexperiences going and visiting
her.
SPEAKER_00 (02:27):
So where does she live right now?
SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
Uh she just moved to Bangladesh.
Wow.
Isn't that crazy?
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:33):
What a choice.
I mean, I'm sure she didn'tchoose it, right?
SPEAKER_03 (02:35):
But uh it chose her.
SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
It chose her.
I like the way you think.
Yeah.
I one time was in India,actually, and it was most
surreal experience in my life.
Have you ever been there?
SPEAKER_03 (02:45):
No, I haven't.
SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
It's like you land in right into the movie set.
On the same road, you have pigs,camels, dogs, cats, kids, cows,
goats.
Anything you can imagine is inone street.
And there was zero car accidentson the street.
So I realized, okay, how evenpossible to have car accidents
in the USA and huge highways.
(03:06):
And in India, you have suchcrazy traffic and zero car
accidents.
But it's an amazing, beautifulcountry.
I'm really happy.
SPEAKER_03 (03:11):
My favorite vibe, just like controlled chaos.
You know, like you can havechaos, but if things work, then
it's okay.
You know?
SPEAKER_00 (03:19):
And we have another plane, guys.
Immersive experience.
SPEAKER_03 (03:23):
This is an ASMR.
SPEAKER_00 (03:25):
I know, it's like soothing.
So anyway, back to it.
So you went to Canada topremiere the movie that you're
in.
Uh, can you tell us a little bitwhat this movie is about?
SPEAKER_03 (03:36):
Yeah, it's about um the founder of Bumble, Whitney
Wolf, and her experience, uh,trials and tribulations, very
tough ones, um, starting in asmall incubator, a tech
incubator, um, that she wasinvited to work at.
And um things got a little uhkind of toxic in that
environment, and uh she got uhshould go through some tough
(03:59):
times for sure.
But she uh kind of my favoritepart about the movie is that she
goes through those crazy timesand kind of comes out um a
winner in her own rights forsure.
I'm like a big fan of this bookcalled Obstacle is the way.
I won't shut up about it.
SPEAKER_00 (04:16):
Tell us what is the mom.
SPEAKER_03 (04:18):
It's so good.
SPEAKER_00 (04:19):
Obstacle, say it again.
SPEAKER_03 (04:20):
Obstacle is the way.
SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
Obstacle is the way.
Okay, what is it?
SPEAKER_03 (04:24):
Um by uh Ryan Holiday, if I'm not uh mistaken.
If I get that wrong, I'm justgonna make it.
We'll do fact-checking.
Fact-check on the screen.
Um it's about stoicism.
And uh Ryan, the author, kind ofmodernizes a lot of stoicism and
uh just teaches you kind of notto go uh on the roller coaster
(04:45):
too high or too low, you know,and really kind of just be uh
present in wherever you're at,but also to kind of convert the
downs in your life into likeopportunities, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
Give me an example.
SPEAKER_03 (04:58):
Man, that's a okay.
I have an example queued rightup for you.
Um when I first came to LA to uhwork in movies, it was for
acting, right?
And I started YouTube when I wasa kid, and that was like kind of
my way in.
That was the only thing I knewhow in like the Middle East, for
example.
Little skateboarding there,yeah, filming myself doing dumb
(05:20):
stuff.
Um but uh I came to LA and Iworked my ass off uh just
auditioning, auditioning,auditioning.
And I finally got lucky enoughto book a really big role.
It was like a lead role.
Um, I think it was like 22 atthe time.
Uh it was with uh two very bigactors that I won't name.
(05:41):
Um and uh I immediately gotsigned by the biggest agency in
Hollywood.
It was like, you know, uh postedon uh one of the biggest
publications in you knowHollywood.
And I for this role, I itrequired me to lose 20 pounds.
I was already pretty skinny atthe time.
Easy.
(06:01):
Sorry.
Um at that time I could do it.
Now I'd be like, oh God.
Um get it, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
Yeah, uh, but thanks, Leonardo DiCaprio.
SPEAKER_03 (06:09):
Yeah.
But I lost all this weight.
I I grew out my hair.
Uh it was for like a very likeuh uh kind of odd character.
And um one of the actors in themovie, they ended up uh having a
conflict on their schedule, andso they pushed the shoot date.
I was like, no worries.
Uh it was like a month later,then a month goes by and they
shot uh they pushed it anothertwo months and then another
(06:32):
three and then another four.
That's the worst.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
And so what happened was thefinancing fell through because
the act, you know, you have toget actors attached to movies
for financing.
So, long story short, um, I wentfrom the super, super high to
the super, super low of beinglike, oh man, that was like the
life changer for me at the time.
(06:54):
But obstacles the way, and whatthat kind of caused me to do was
I was like, screw it, I'm justgonna make my own movie.
And I ended up writing a movie,producing it, and starring in
it, and that ended up being mydead dad, uh, which we ended up
selling to HBO Max.
So obstacles the way.
SPEAKER_00 (07:12):
Well, this is incredible because I believe in
the expression that says it'snot happening to you, it's
happening for you, right?
Sometimes when you think thatcould be the worst thing in your
life, but might prepare you foryour biggest win, right?
For your biggest uh victory.
And I wanted to talk a littlebit more about the other movie,
but since you uh mentioned uh mydad dad, I want to talk about
(07:35):
that movie.
It's incredible that you madethat movie before you were 30.
So you acted it, you wrote it,and you directed it, which is
really, really impressive.
Can you tell us a little bit ofthe behind the story?
I know that it is based uh onyour real life, right?
Real life story.
Tell us a little bit, oh alittle bit inspired, maybe,
right?
Yeah.
Okay.
So tell us, tell us how did thatmovie come along and what
(07:56):
actually moved you to createthat movie?
SPEAKER_03 (07:58):
Yeah, yeah, great question.
Yeah.
So I wrote it, produced it,started in it, and I uh I worked
with my friend who's like abrother to me, uh uh who's a
director, and it really cameabout like in such a weird
roundabout way.
Again, kind of that experienceof of something that felt so
like so much of a low ended upkind of converting to a high.
(08:18):
Because when I was uh in myearly teens, my parents got a
divorce.
I hadn't seen my dad in in yearsand years.
He moved back to Peru where he'sfrom, and we ended up moving to
the Middle East because my mom'sa school teacher and just kind
of bops around and she got a jobthere.
SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
Completely different world, right?
Completely different world.
SPEAKER_03 (08:36):
I was like, you know, what was I?
I was like 12 years old.
I was ready to drink and partyand all the things you should
never do as a 12-year-old.
I was so ready for high school.
SPEAKER_00 (08:45):
That was your real life experience, right?
SPEAKER_03 (08:47):
Yeah.
And then my mom's like, You wantto move to the Middle East one
day on the phone?
I was in Seattle at the time,and I was like, no.
And she's like, too bad.
Uh it's happening.
Yeah, it's happening for you.
It's happening for me.
Um, I wanted to be a prosnowboarder at the time,
actually.
And because of that, I ended upfinding YouTube, which helped me
find filmmaking and acting, etc.
(09:08):
Wait, hold on.
SPEAKER_00 (09:08):
You said you were you were becoming a professional
or a work.
SPEAKER_03 (09:11):
Well, arguably.
I wanted to aspiring, yeah.
On the way, then yes, on theway.
Um, Sean White Jr., I calledmyself.
SPEAKER_00 (09:23):
Yeah, way more handsome, obviously.
Obviously, obviously.
Five times.
SPEAKER_03 (09:27):
Sean White's a handsome guy.
I don't want to unhandsome him.
Anyways, uh, but um canceled.
I get canceled because Sean, Icalled Sean White not as
handsome as me.
SPEAKER_00 (09:38):
I feel like guys shouldn't be offended when
somebody comments on theirlooks.
You know, it's too too likewhat's the word?
Like voyeuristic notvoyeuristic, so what's the right
word?
Too narcissistic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I guess, yeah.
I would agree.
Yeah.
That's my problem.
Okay, back to the call.
SPEAKER_03 (09:52):
Actually, it's just turning into therapy.
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (09:54):
Have you ever done therapy before?
SPEAKER_03 (09:56):
I have done therapy uh during this divorce, not to
full circle it around.
Okay, okay, yeah.
My parents broke up.
Uh I was in therapy for a secondand quick sidebar on the
therapy.
I will get back to that in asecond.
But yeah, I have too many topicslike that.
Okay.
But uh, I moved there, hadn'theard from my dad in years and
years.
And one day, out of the blue, hecalled me and was like, hey, I
(10:18):
was like, Oh shit, hey.
Um first of all, that was ashock, but the bigger shock was
he was like, I have lung cancer,I'm gonna die in like a month,
says the hospital that I'm incurrently.
Um, I would like you to takeover this uh small kind of
crumbling apartment uh in Peru.
And so at that age, I think Iwas about 13 at the time, and he
(10:40):
hung up, and then I assumed thatwas the last I'd ever heard, you
know, would hear from my dad.
And I went that entire monthbeing like, wow, okay, I'm gonna
be a 13-year-old landlord, andI'm never gonna get closure with
my dad.
Two of the lesser fun things Ithink in my life.
SPEAKER_00 (10:59):
Wait, to clarify, you were 13 at the time.
SPEAKER_03 (11:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And um, so I really sat withthat, and I just kind of grieved
my dad at that point.
In real life, uh, what ended uphappening versus what happens in
the movie, he ended up actuallygetting his lung removed, uh,
which I didn't know was possibleto live, and he survived by a
sliver of fate, which is supercool.
(11:24):
Um, because later in life wesort of got the opportunity to
kind of reconnect and as likeadults, you know, although I
kind of missed out sort of onthat childhood in a way, um,
there was a silver lining.
And so I ended up writing thismovie about uh sort of that
period of time of uh how I feltand what was happening and sort
of what was supposed to be.
(11:46):
Um and it was such a weirdexperience having the
opportunity to do that, and thenfor also my dad to see it, where
he was like what the fuck atfirst, you know, but uh it it
was this uh massive silverlining because we kind of that
was my communication with him.
SPEAKER_00 (12:08):
So how old were you when you reconnected with your
dad?
SPEAKER_03 (12:11):
Um, I was probably just before like 18.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (12:15):
Um I was like, So first time heard from him when
he was 13.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (12:19):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And then he survived and I waslike, what?
SPEAKER_00 (12:24):
Um I cannot imagine what was going, you know,
through your head and yourfeelings because obviously the
person hasn't been present inyour life, right?
And then he is going throughsome realizations and coming
back to you.
Yeah.
How did you feel about that?
SPEAKER_03 (12:37):
I mean, no, it was uh it was crazy.
I honestly was really angry atthe time.
I was kind of like um had a chipon my shoulder, and then there's
a whole other side too where Ididn't want to be in the Middle
East as a teenager at the time.
Um so thankful for it inretrospect, but um that I just
was really angry at life, Ithink.
And really that anger wassadness, I think, but
(13:00):
unexpressed.
And um you know, it just taughtme a lot about um people don't
stay here for long, you know,and it's hard to be angry when
you're grateful.
And once I kind of startedreflecting and kind of getting
those thoughts out, all thethings that I wanted to tell my
dad, uh, but in movie form, uhit it was really helpful for me,
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I think.
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
May I ask you, I know it's not my place to ask,
but did you reconcile with yourdad while he was alive?
SPEAKER_03 (13:32):
Or yes.
So it not quite, likeimmediately, but like over the
span of time.
And in a weird way, it wasironically the movie that helped
that.
He ended up seeing it, and Idon't even know if I actually I
didn't even speak to him aboutit for years, you know, like
from when I was writing it tothen it was sold the HBO.
SPEAKER_00 (13:57):
Yes.
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
So then when we sold the HBO, I was like, you
probably should watch this.
SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
Wow, this is incredible.
I can't imagine like whatfeelings your dad was going
through, right?
SPEAKER_03 (14:07):
Yeah, yeah.
He I remember he sent me a voicememo after watching it, and he
has this thick Peruvian accent.
He looks like me except manyshades darker, and he was just
like hard to imagine.
Yes, just imagine it.
Imagine this blank canvas havingsome sun on it.
SPEAKER_00 (14:23):
I can't imagine that.
Okay, now the way you'redescribing is really out there.
SPEAKER_03 (14:27):
Um but he ended up sending me a voice memo from
WhatsApp and was like, wow, wow,I almost cried.
What?
And I was like, you almostcried.
I was like, you cried, you sonof a big thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He cried, he cried, he didn'ttell me.
SPEAKER_00 (14:47):
Oh my god.
I mean, I can't even imaginethat you know I can't imagine
you know that feeling because ifwe if let's say if we take your
feelings and you know, I don'tknow if that's the right word,
philosophize them, right?
Do you think it's possible forfamily forgive and experience
forgiveness after death?
SPEAKER_03 (15:13):
I think it's hard.
I think it makes it a lot morecomplicated, you know, which I
am so lucky that I have it.
I didn't need to experience thatin that circumstance.
Um but I think a lot of thatkind of forgiveness, I mean,
really most of that forgivenessis just inside you, really,
right?
You know, because if you'reyou're resentful towards someone
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or if you're hurt by somebody,in reality, if you just have
that tool just to kind of shutthat off or or kind of um
overcome it, then what's thedifference?
You know what I mean?
If you've forgiven yourself, ifyou've forgiven them in your
mind, right, then all isforgiven.
But I think obviously havingsomebody say, Hey, sorry, you
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know what I mean?
To their face, yeah, ismassively means so much.
But I don't know if it's alwaysnecessary.
And I think that was kind of a alearning experience for me where
again I'm so lucky that I didn'thave to go through that, but it
kind of it gave me a taste ofthat, you know what I mean, in a
(16:21):
weird way.
Because I didn't know if I wasgonna reconnect with them
anyway, but I was like, you knowwhat?
I really need to like processthis and I need to figure this
out for myself, and I was ableto, and then have a cherry on
top of actually having thatinteraction.
SPEAKER_00 (16:34):
So what helped you?
Because I know it's not easy, II probably extremely complicated
because some people you knowthey feel resentment, right?
You're not forgiving somebodyfeel resentful, it impacts your
life, impacts your relationship,you know, your friend circle,
things like that.
And it's not easy without atherapist to go through that.
(16:55):
So was it something that youlearned for yourself?
Was it someone else's impact inyou that helped you to reach
that level?
Because I know it's not theeasiest way to do.
SPEAKER_03 (17:06):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Um, it's a good question.
I and I would probably likeagain attribute a lot of
stoicism to that.
You know, I started went down aweird rabbit hole before I read
the you know, obstacles the waywhere I was just in this Grecian
text.
I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
I actually read I don't want to name again the the
wrong book, but I think it wasStoicism by Marcus Aurelius.
Yeah, right?
SPEAKER_03 (17:28):
Yeah, Marcus Aurelius is right.
SPEAKER_00 (17:30):
I mean, he was a gangster and the things that he
wrote thousands of years ago isstill applicable, if not even
more nowadays.
So, what is it?
So if we speak, let's say aboutthat topic, Stoicism, what is it
for you, right?
Do you think there are anyqualities that man lost
throughout the time or anyqualities that are forgotten in
modern days from Stoicism?
SPEAKER_03 (17:52):
Um wow, I love that's such a smart question.
Hey, but my brain pay grade.
Let's go deep.
SPEAKER_00 (17:59):
I mean, it's the thing is I know you don't have
all the answers, but I want toknow your opinion.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (18:04):
Yeah, I you know, I feel like just as people, at
least in my experience, how Ifeel about myself, um, I I feel
like everyone's so obsessed withlike striving to become the most
intelligent person they can.
And I feel like that can be thestupidest way to live life.
And what I mean by that is thatthe more logical, the more you
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need to make sense of everythingall the time, it can sometimes
get in your own way, I feellike, you know, and I think when
I've been at my lowest or whenI've uh uh been in those tough
corners, I think that justignorance has helped a little
bit, you know, and just sittingdown objectively and being like,
(18:50):
how can I trick myself intothinking everything's okay?
SPEAKER_00 (18:53):
Ignorance is bliss, right?
The most ignorant people arehappy, and the more we know, the
more you know thyself, the moremiserable you are because you
see the bigger picture.
What are you missing, what youhaven't seen, what's out there,
right?
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (19:06):
You don't need to see everything.
SPEAKER_00 (19:07):
You don't need you're getting overwhelmed,
right?
Life is short, and so much youhaven't, you know, possibly will
will not be able to experience.
But going back to the stoicism,sorry.
SPEAKER_03 (19:16):
Yeah, no, no, absolutely.
So, like part, you know, thisisn't exactly, you know, uh from
the text stoicism, we'll say,but my version of stoicism is
protecting myself, you know,from from just from the outside
world, you know, whether that'slike diet of the brain or just
(19:36):
um the interactions you have orthe things you tell yourself,
like these are all likemassively important, you know,
for me because there is a flipside of stoicism where I was
really trying to practice thatand reading a lot of Marcus
Aurelius for a long time,especially my early 20s when I
was like kind of had a littlebit more of a down.
I got you know first breakups,things like that, like serious
(19:58):
ones.
You have to go through this.
SPEAKER_00 (20:00):
Yeah, you gotta be a CC, we'll see.
SPEAKER_03 (20:03):
Okay, well, that's not what I would call myself on
my early 20s.
No, just say you've been sayingif you didn't go through that.
Hey, no offense, cancel thegame.
Take that, Sean White.
Um, you know, the the the trickwith stoicism is you can get so
numb to everything as well,where I condition myself to
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really not feel like um much ofa low just because I sort of
remind myself all the time,you're gonna die, everyone's
gonna die.
Um, and everyone is uh uhguaranteed that same experience.
SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
A little depressing, the same outcome, maybe not the
same experience.
Well, yes, exactly.
Correct.
SPEAKER_03 (20:45):
I would agree with that.
Um but uh on the flip side ofthat, if you're so conditioned
to uh being okay with or numb tothe bad things, you can be numb
to the good things too.
True, and that is something Ireally struggled with for a long
time.
Um, where when things uh weregood, I would not fully
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celebrate because I'd be readyfor them to get bad.
And that can be so dangerous.
And I think actually referencingwhat I was talking about before
of getting that like dream role,like when I was so young and
just moved to Hollywood and likebeing on top of the world and
then losing that, you know, forjust circumstantially, um, that
taught me to never be toocareful, never celebrate too
(21:28):
early, you know, like when it'sin the bag, but you can get
carried away with that too.
And then it's like, what's thepoint?
You know, what's the point ofthe thing?
SPEAKER_00 (21:35):
I could compare it more like as a defensive driver.
You drive on a highway, and whenyou're so defensive, you always
expect hypothetically a crashhappen any second.
So you're so focused on nothingbad should have happened to you,
and you forget to enjoy theride, right?
You enjoy to really ease intothat ride.
And when you said you'regetting, you know, protecting
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yourself and getting defensive,maybe in a way like you
correctly noticed, maybe you areprotecting yourself from good
things as well, right?
From enjoying the moment.
Sometimes, yes, things may notlast, their success may not
last, right?
But enjoying that moment, that'swhy I believe we person
personally that we should beliving for the small little
moments of happiness.
And if we don't celebrate them,you don't give yourself maybe a
(22:20):
little bit of encouragement tokeep going, right?
To do something better,something that you enjoy more.
SPEAKER_03 (22:25):
Yeah, I I wholeheartedly agree with that.
You know, and that's that justthought right there changed my
thoughts and and my my my lifereally more in the past couple
years, where it's interestingbecause then you reflect on on a
lot of the big goals you have inyour life and things like that,
and and maybe those thingsbecome just a little bit less
important.
(22:46):
And I'm sort of a little bit ofa workaholic.
And a little bit.
And to me, that's terrifying.
Where I'm like, no, I must, youknow, always like strive for
100% greatness and yada yada.
But um but is it worth it?
I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00 (23:03):
I think Salvador Dali one time said he said, Do
not afraid to achieve perfectionbecause you'll never achieve it.
SPEAKER_01 (23:09):
I love that.
SPEAKER_00 (23:10):
It's it's like you always will think and you can
perfect it million, milliontimes to make it better, better,
better.
Yeah, but you might not neverachieve it.
So Maya just sometimes just makeit good enough.
Absolutely, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (23:22):
And I ironically, no, ironically, you end up kind
of achieving your own versionsof greatness.
Right.
You know, it it becomes you knowthe law of attraction where
things kind of come to youmysteriously sometimes when
you're a little bit less, youknow, I gotta have it, and
da-da-da.
And I I I must uh drink sandevery morning.
Wow.
(23:43):
Yeah, weird rituals.
Okay.
Everyone's really been gettingme, they've been selling me
sand.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (23:50):
That sounded actually horrific.
Drinking sand.
Okay, already feel.
SPEAKER_03 (23:56):
Didn't that make you just a little thirsty?
I know, right?
SPEAKER_00 (23:59):
I was already sweating.
SPEAKER_03 (24:01):
I know, you're you're incredible.
SPEAKER_00 (24:04):
Yeah, but I'm dedicated to the theme.
SPEAKER_03 (24:06):
You are so dedicated to the thing.
I almost wore a jacket.
Now it's like, I'm gonna die.
I'm literally gonna die.
SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
Yeah, women, women, we do everything, we do a lot of
sacrifice for beauty.
I give it to you.
That's that's our fault.
Speaking of women, man, I don'tknow, I'm just jumping from one
topic, um, from one topic toanother, but uh, I want to go
back a little bit to stoicism.
Um, what is masculine to you?
Do you think men are sensibleand should men be more sensible
(24:34):
or put that mask off?
You know, I'm strong, I'mmasculine, I'm always like the
protector, I'm always like, youknow, lead the way.
Do you think men are allowed orbeen stripped of feelings to
feel and be sensible?
SPEAKER_03 (24:47):
Yeah, that's a great question.
I really felt right now it's insuch an interesting time in the
world, just generally.
Um I would say, like, when I wasmaking my dead dad, for example,
I very much felt like you you asa man are not really allowed to
uh really feel, you know what Imean, public in a public space.
(25:10):
And that's you know, obviouslythere's exceptions, but um still
there's that expectation.
Now I I'd really need to checkin with myself and take a social
temperature.
I'm not exactly sure that's thecase because I do see, you know,
it kind of swings, I think, youknow, sociology.
And there's definitely, youknow, I think a hunger for more
(25:33):
um more like uh uh can-doattitude, you know, and less
kind of whininess, I think, uhout in the world.
SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
Just go, just do it.
SPEAKER_03 (25:43):
Yeah, just do it, Nike style.
SPEAKER_00 (25:45):
Um I'm gonna reach out to Nike.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (25:48):
Nike, um, don't only sponsor the show.
Up for you.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, also do Cotty.
I'll take any sponsors.
I know, right?
SPEAKER_00 (25:57):
Yeah, I have to do a lot of calls after this episode.
SPEAKER_03 (25:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Too much pressure.
You know?
Um but um going back tosensible.
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (26:07):
Okay, let me let me summar like maybe narrow it
down.
Do you think men um it's okayfor men, let's say if they are
in a relationship, to open upand share their feelings without
the fear being judged or withoutthe fear that okay, nobody
cares, and or I'm expectedalways to be strong.
I'm always expected to, youknow, to man up and man don't
(26:29):
cry, you know, man's supposed tobe this certain way.
But I also kind of on the samepage with you that I do feel men
should be allowed to be moresensible, to have and express
more feelings without obviouslybeing feminine.
Where's that silver lining,right?
SPEAKER_03 (26:43):
Yeah, it's it's interesting because I think that
um you know business has taughtme a lot about relationships,
like and and just your ownrelationship to the world, I
feel like.
Because you know, male, female,whatever, uh anything in
between, I feel like that's alittle less relevant to me.
(27:06):
I feel like it's uh you have toidentify, I think, your team.
You know what I mean?
Whether it's it's a a friendshipor a relationship or anything,
um, or again being a leader inyour community.
I think it's important to gaugekind of the social temperature
of being like, okay, who's theleader here?
Who's you know, the the theprovider or the or the the
(27:27):
nurturer?
Um, and those things canflip-flop sometimes, but I I
notice a lot of the times, uhhonestly in my own
relationships, uh I don't knowif relationships was a question,
but uh sometimes that when thatbecomes unclear, I feel like
when you're both trying to playthe same team member, uh things
have not worked out as well forme.
(27:49):
You know, what do you mean?
SPEAKER_00 (27:50):
Like you let's say when you say play the same team
member, saying that you havecertain assigned role to you,
right?
Like you like your boyfriend orrelationship, whatever, yeah,
girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever.
SPEAKER_03 (28:01):
Yeah, um you're saying you're not expected to or
yeah, I feel like like when youreally need to take the lead on
something, and you have twopeople trying to take the lead
on something, whether it's youknow, you're going into war or
whether you're going to SohoHouse for dinner for a date.
SPEAKER_00 (28:19):
That could turn into a war.
A total war zone with the wrongpartner.
SPEAKER_03 (28:24):
Yes, yes.
Uh, or with the right partnerwho you're not taking the social
temperature, right?
You know, and um, you know,maybe uh I feel like a good
relationship is one person isleaning on another at different
points.
You know what I mean?
Sometimes you need a littlehelp, sometimes they need a
little help.
Um, and that's I think theimportant distinction for me, at
(28:46):
least as a guy, of being like,okay, uh, yeah, it's important
to express emotions and and tobe communicative.
Um, but it's also important tome to be like a leader and to be
strong, you know, for the peoplearound me.
Um, but if people need me to bestrong in that exact moment and
I want I want to cry, maybe toobad for two seconds, you know?
(29:11):
Um, but it is super important tolet that cry out nonetheless at
some point.
And I think that's where a lotof people get caught where they
feel like they're stuck thereand they have no outlet.
And at least that's not how Ilive my life.
SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
Well, I feel like if you do put bottling feelings
right inside and you don'texpress them, one day it's gonna
explode, right?
But do you believe?
Um, I guess my question is whatexpectations are for you
personally in your partner umwhen you do want to experience
and share those feelings and bevulnerable uh and be c you know,
(29:48):
when you're comfortable, to bevulnerable in front of that
person.
What what qualities areimportant?
Is it important that the personlistens to you, gives you an
advice, like what what would beimportant to you?
SPEAKER_03 (30:00):
That's a good question because sometimes uh I
learned I learned in my early20s, not everyone needs advice
when they're down.
Right?
I was like a total fixer.
SPEAKER_00 (30:08):
I was like, all right, well, this is the
solution.
No, yeah, you're good.
Sometimes you need to listen.
Are you gone?
Just to be I'm I'm that's whyI'm doing the show because I'm
not a really good listener.
I'm learning.
SPEAKER_03 (30:19):
Well, you're fooling me.
SPEAKER_00 (30:20):
I'm learning.
I'm learning.
SPEAKER_03 (30:22):
Season four, right?
SPEAKER_00 (30:23):
Season four.
Hey, you know, every time I'mtrying to improve and listen and
not to lose the train of thoughtthat we started five minutes
ago.
But I feel like, you know, Ireally want to get your honest
opinion on things because a lotof men and my man friends that
I'm talking to, for example,they shared with me that hey, I
had a girlfriend and I wasalways there for her, always
(30:43):
helped her, always listened toher.
And when there was that momentwhen I fell down, when I felt
weak and I opened up and I wasnot I wasn't vulnerable, I
expressed it to her.
She was just like, Okay, justman up, you know.
Um, just don't be a wussy, don'tbe a sissy, you know, stop
crying.
And then he felt unhurt, andthen obviously that wasn't the
right partner for him.
(31:04):
Yeah, and then made me thinkthat there's so much pressure on
men to be all these things andto pretend and put a mask on and
not share their feelings.
SPEAKER_01 (31:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:15):
Right?
Because I do feel men doobviously, men do have feelings,
right?
Men do have feelings.
Big surprise.
Lot twist.
He's like, cancel the game.
Uh men do have feelings, but Ifeel they're more pressured to
express them.
And when they do, they laugh at,right?
I don't know what you tell me.
I yeah, no, I don't know.
I want to hear from you.
SPEAKER_03 (31:36):
I totally feel that way.
I uh I have I'm I'm learningthis myself.
I'm learning that men havefeelings and can express them,
honestly.
Uh, because I tend in my ownpersonal life, I tend to go one
way or another.
You know what I mean?
And I think what we're talkingabout is is sort of a remedy of
that of like if you stay bottledup at some point you're gonna
(31:58):
need to let it out.
Um and it's uh uh you know likea tire, a tire pressure
products.
Um discrete product placementtire and another tire.
Yeah, I swear to God, Ducatisponsors it.
Anyways, um no.
I wish yeah, manifesting.
Yes, manifest, manifest.
Um but if you know a tire's toofilled up, it's gonna pop.
(32:22):
If a tire's, you know, uh uhcompletely uh uh uh no no
pressure at all, it can't bestrong uh and work.
So there's gotta be a middleground.
And I think that uh that's beensomething that I've been trying
to find out uh the balance to inmy life for sure.
Um and for me, a lot of it isjust listening, you know.
I and a lot of how I learned notto be the fixer all the time or
(32:43):
try to be the fixer when youdon't need to be, is when people
do that to me and I'm like, ohno, no, no, I just I I need to
just listen.
Just shut up and I I alreadyhave the solution here.
I'm just whining.
SPEAKER_00 (32:54):
Not whining, but I think as human beings and being
part of the society, we forgotthe you know, there's a
forgotten art of just beinghuman and react and communicate
and listen and understand andyou know have your own.
I mean, maybe you don't have toexpress your opinion every
single second, but just to beable to listen, you know, shut
(33:14):
like I said, shut up and listen.
SPEAKER_01 (33:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (33:16):
And it seems like you uh do uh understand your
feelings, right?
How much of your vulnerabilityyou are willing to put into your
artwork?
SPEAKER_03 (33:28):
That used to be the only place I was vulnerable in
my artwork.
Um and I think that became uhtricky for me as a as a young
guy, uh because then I realizedthat you need more than that,
you know?
Um sometimes art is lonely.
So still for me, that that's abit of a safe haven where now
(33:53):
for the first time in my life Ifeel so creatively free to where
I can write anything, and now Ialmost now I almost seek out
that discomfort of puttingsomething on paper and being
like, oh, that's gonna be soembarrassing when someone reads
it or sees it.
Um and if I don't feel that way,then usually I get bored of the
(34:13):
thing.
So it's kind of a vicious cycle.
SPEAKER_00 (34:16):
I hear it because it takes a lot of courage.
And what you're doing, in myopinion, you're kind of taking
your ego out of it and yousharing your story, and I know
it because I try to write thingsin my own, and I know when you
try to come up with the mostamazing, dramatic, cool story,
but if it's you personally notfeeling it, if you're not being
vulnerable on the page, right?
(34:37):
That might not resonate with thereader.
And you said this is the firsttime you have the freedom,
right?
Aren't you still wary, like ifyour concept or your project
will be commercially successfulif you have that level of
freedom?
SPEAKER_03 (34:51):
Yes.
Okay, absolutely.
Yeah, having a having acommercially viable project is
uh is very tricky.
I mean, a lot of that comes downto genre, but I feel like with
with kind of the emotional sideof things, something that may
not be completely true, but I'mtelling myself it's true, is
(35:12):
that the more vulnerable youare, the more commercial it
probably will be anyway.
And and by commercial I meanresonate with other people in a
weird way, where if you pouryour heart out um and and it's
all over the ground and you'rein a public space, people are
gonna come over and and uh andshare that experience with you.
(35:34):
You know, people gravitatetowards that.
SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
But do you think artists nowadays kind of sort of
abusing uh the victimhood, youknow, those feelings just to
sell them?
You know, in a way that theysay, let's just make it the most
outrageous as possible becausewe know that fake vulnerability
may sell.
SPEAKER_03 (35:52):
Yeah, no, that that's true.
That's true.
I think the internet is is a bigpart of that as well.
We're so we're so desensitizedwith everything, you know.
My Instagram reel is like likethe explore page is just cooked.
SPEAKER_00 (36:05):
Well, it's based on what are you searching for.
Don't put it on me.
Okay, I mean it knows, it knowsprobably better than you.
SPEAKER_03 (36:11):
Everyone would be the explore page.
SPEAKER_00 (36:13):
I know.
I have you know, I look througha lot of like cats and dogs in
my feed, and I'm a fashionphotographer.
My feed is all cats and dogs.
I'm like, oh god, I want to beshown more to the fashion world,
and all I see is that that'sthat's very sweet.
SPEAKER_03 (36:27):
Mine is not.
I don't even go into what mineis.
SPEAKER_00 (36:32):
I'm shopped at this conversation.
You might like start gettingsome weird sales emails and
certain products, Ducati mayemail you when I get a bite.
SPEAKER_03 (36:40):
Just gonna be Ducati and this this water brand.
Um, but by the way, it'sJapanese.
SPEAKER_00 (36:45):
Is it?
I didn't even know, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:47):
Oh, made by Mount Fuji, Japan.
Mount Fuji made this.
I'm dying to go to Japan.
I can taste that, you know.
Right, can you taste the MountFuji?
SPEAKER_00 (36:55):
The sprinkles, the sprinkles of nature.
So let me ask you this.
I'm gonna rant a little bit.
Uh I'm not in this I'm not fromthe movie uh cinema world, movie
world, and I'm so sick and tiredof franchises, of the nother
superhero movie.
And but at the same time, when Iwatch indie movies, they're
(37:15):
always lacking, you know, um,they have the sensibility, the
the you know, the feelings, thestory, but they're lacking the
beautiful picture.
When you look at the beautiful,glossy picture, you're liking
the story.
So as a person who um who are inthe cinema world, how do you
think or how do you see thefuture of cinematography or
cinema, a movie world, right?
(37:37):
Where you can create projectsthat has that have it all,
right?
That have the story, the beauty,the special effects, but also
doesn't lose its heart.
SPEAKER_03 (37:45):
Oh, that's a good question.
This might be a million-dollarquestion for the industry, to be
honest.
SPEAKER_00 (37:51):
Send an email to me, I have more of those questions.
SPEAKER_03 (37:54):
Um, yeah, I I always strive to to attempt to get
there, you know.
Uh I have a long way to go, butum I mean what's interesting
about like pretty pictures andstuff, not to go back to the
internet again, I feel like likethings that perform on the
internet, if you f if you makethem too polished, they will not
(38:16):
perform well.
SPEAKER_01 (38:17):
Very good point.
SPEAKER_03 (38:18):
Um, which I hate because I love craft and I love
lighting and I love can'tearning out about cameras.
And and sometimes your stuffwill do better if uh it's almost
that law of attraction thing.
Like it looked like you didn'ttry, which I hate.
I hate that concept because Itried so hard.
SPEAKER_00 (38:36):
Maybe just try less harder.
Try a little less a little less.
Just give less fucks.
You know, things will flow.
SPEAKER_03 (38:43):
Ah, I like that.
I need a I need a no, but I'mgonna take it back.
SPEAKER_00 (38:46):
You know what?
Sorry, I'm gonna take it backbecause we do need true
craftsmanship.
Like the things you're saying,you are not a perfectionist, but
you care about the littledetails.
That's what the cinematographyused to be about, right?
Yeah, look at the movie of um atthe movies in the 90s, right?
They actually went to reallocations, they actually wear
like no makeup, they had likereal beautiful skin, I'm
(39:08):
jealous.
They actually had real vehicles,real car chase scenes, right?
Nowadays, everything is on greenscreen, everything is like, you
know, now AI is here, right?
Everything is just feels sofabricated and we feel
desensitized.
So, in your opinion, sorry, Iagain interrupted another
question that I asked before.
But how do you feel and what canbe changed to still have that
(39:31):
feeling, right?
Without being, I don't know,like too indie, right?
I guess.
Yeah.
So what is it easy to sell theseideas to the executives?
SPEAKER_03 (39:41):
Yeah, that's such a great question.
I uh we're we're gonna find outby the end of this podcast.
I'm gonna be thinking here aboutthis question the entire time.
SPEAKER_00 (39:48):
My viewers like Victoria, what are you freaking
asking?
Yeah, I guess.
SPEAKER_03 (39:52):
I'm gonna email you in a week.
I know you find out yet.
SPEAKER_00 (39:54):
Hate mail.
Because you're like, you don'tyou never let your subjects
finish the thought.
My sister will be like, finish,sorry, finish, finish the
thought, finish the thought.
SPEAKER_03 (40:02):
My thought on this is it's a balancing act, I
think.
Um you know, I think if you ifyou have like a high concept, if
you have like high polish, youknow, cinematography, um, if you
have a lot of heart of uh of auh a story, then there's some
some part of it you need to fuckup a little bit.
(40:23):
And by fuck up, I mean um uhreverse the expectation, you
know what I mean?
Do something wrong on purpose.
Um and I think that's kind ofthe key, you know, at least for
me, where like I I if a projectis a little too picture perfect,
I will be like, okay, what's onelike Jenga piece I can pull out?
So then all of a sudden it'stilting a little bit, and
(40:44):
everyone watching that Jenga setis leaning in just like a little
bit more, you know what I mean?
And I think I think that's thekey to exciting stuff because
when everything's so perfect,when the Jenga tower is so
perfectly aligned, it's like ahwell, I get it.
Like I I know what's gonnahappen.
Nothing versus something that'sa little off but still
beautiful.
SPEAKER_00 (41:05):
That's very interesting.
Very inside.
How did you use that in yourmovie, uh, My Dad Dad?
SPEAKER_03 (41:10):
Yeah, uh, that's a great question.
Uh a lot of it was VHS, sosomething that we were going to
I love that part.
Oh, thank you.
I watched it yesterday.
Let's go.
I appreciate that.
I did.
SPEAKER_00 (41:21):
I love the scene with the Chinese lady.
She's watching theSchwarzenegger movie.
I love that.
That was so great.
SPEAKER_03 (41:27):
Shout out Shulon Twan.
Um but um The imperfect part.
Yeah, the imperfect part uhended up being the VHS because
we were going to shoot a lot ofthe kind of dad flashback stuff
with you know our polished, nicecameras and all that.
Um, but I remember mygrandmother at the time had sent
me just like a mysterious DVD,um, which now is like vintage.
SPEAKER_00 (41:51):
How to even listen, how to even watch a DVD now?
SPEAKER_03 (41:54):
Okay, so this was a problem at the time.
I like just got the new MacBookor something, and I was like,
let me put it in.
What the f I was like, wherewhat do I do with this?
SPEAKER_00 (42:02):
Yeah, they're changing it.
SPEAKER_03 (42:03):
Yeah, yeah.
I was like, do I go get a vinylplayer?
No, that's not work.
Uh yeah, yeah.
I'm just putting it in the yeah.
Um, I ended up having to findsomeone with a really old laptop
and put it in.
But uh, it was all VHS footagefrom my childhood, and that came
at like the perfect time beforewe shot the movie where I was
like, what are the years?
Wait, was it real footage?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (42:22):
So there's like thinking about it.
SPEAKER_03 (42:24):
There's a there's an inner stitch of it that's real,
and then we needed a a littlebit more of it.
So we tracked down like the asimilar camera, and then we we
shot a little bit more.
So it kind of like bridged thosetwo things together, and that's
a perfect example of you know,taking one Jenga piece out of
the tower, now it's a littleoff, and you're like, I love
that.
Is that real?
Is that fake?
(42:44):
I don't know, you know.
That's I always strive for amoment like that in any movie I
make for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (42:50):
That was really nice touch, actually.
And I think that's probably whatI would imagine feels you
excited, right?
About filmmaking.
Yeah.
Well, my gu my next question iswhat makes you excited the most
nowadays?
What brings you joy?
SPEAKER_03 (43:04):
In life?
Yes.
Ooh.
Ooh.
Scary things, but not scarymovies.
Not or like Hollywood horrornights.
Someone invited me last nightand I was like, I'm too scary.
To what?
You know, Hollywood HorrorNight?
They have like in universal,like the giant.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (43:21):
Somebody chasing you with the chainsaw and you pay
for it.
I can't handle it.
SPEAKER_03 (43:25):
I can't handle it.
SPEAKER_00 (43:27):
Okay, so you said you like scary things?
SPEAKER_03 (43:29):
But yeah, not like booze scary, but like things
that are like way out of mycomfort zone, or things that I
think are like like nerdy, orlike things that would make me
uh be like, oh, well, I don't dothat.
You know, I'm not that kind ofperson.
Um like for me this summer, uh,this last summer, I I was kind
(43:49):
of going through a next chapterof my life, and um I had a
friend invite me to a rave.
SPEAKER_00 (43:54):
To a rave.
SPEAKER_03 (43:55):
To a rave.
SPEAKER_00 (43:55):
I've never been to a rave.
A lot of sweaty people too closeto each other.
SPEAKER_03 (43:59):
With that leather, you would be dead.
Let me tell you right now.
SPEAKER_00 (44:02):
I'm done.
SPEAKER_03 (44:03):
Yeah, I would be with the bottom half here.
But um, but my friend invited meto this rave, and it wasn't his
first time inviting me to thisrave.
I was like, I don't rave, Idon't do that.
You know what I mean?
It's not that's bizarre.
SPEAKER_00 (44:13):
I can see you in the rave.
SPEAKER_03 (44:14):
I've changed.
Raves have changed, man.
Raves changed.
I went to the long beach.
Yeah, I went to the long beach.
Uh there was I don't even knowwhat it was called.
There was some giant rave.
The minute I got there, therewere people hopping fences and
yada yah.
There's somebody was gettingpulled out on a stretcher, and I
was like, Where am I?
(44:36):
You just needed to feel alive.
I needed to feel alive.
You needed to feel the danger.
Yes, and the danger that is tofeel alive.
Exactly.
The the scary is is the dangerI'm looking for.
Really, the danger is a betterway to put it.
Um because uh, you know, when Iwas young, that's what I was
accustomed to.
You know, I grew up surroundedby graffiti artists, and and
(44:56):
some people, you know, a lot ofmy early friends uh either ended
up in jail or dead and thingslike that, you know.
So I when I started to becomemore of a workaholic and kind of
only focused on work, I lost apart of that.
I lost kind of like a sort ofdanger in me and was like, dang,
now I guess I have to write allthese things and make them up,
you know.
I'm trying to still find thatdanger as like an adult man
(45:19):
without getting it.
SPEAKER_00 (45:20):
You'll be like Shakespeare if the if the legend
is true that he wrote aboutthings or places he's never
visited or experienced, but youcould be non-Shakespeare, you
can actually experience them andwrite.
What can be perfect more perfectfor a script than true life?
SPEAKER_03 (45:35):
That's my goal.
That's my goal.
And well, this happened to mewith the Rave thing.
You know, I said yes to the Ravething, and then it it set me on
a whole long journey, and then Iended up making this crazy, uh,
this crazy project, like prettymuch stalking these DJs who
wouldn't let me into their rave.
But yeah, it's a long story.
SPEAKER_00 (45:54):
No, that's crazy.
That's actually a good point,uh, and advice for our viewers
that always try something thatscares you.
Yeah, for me, that thing wasfancing.
I tried one time fancing likewith a sword?
Yeah, fancing with the sword.
And it was like the most bizarreexperience in my life because,
first of all, I should have myown mask, but I just used the
one that was there.
(46:14):
Yeah.
Uh I felt like I was in a case.
SPEAKER_03 (46:16):
Dude, you have a mask in there.
You have to wear the I know, butyou said use your own mask with
the bigger.
SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
Use your own because it's obviously new.
Oh, okay, I got it.
It was just like a lot ofpeople.
SPEAKER_03 (46:25):
I imagined your mask with those sunglasses.
SPEAKER_00 (46:27):
A lot of fighters went through my mask with that
mask.
And I just remember there waslike a sword inside of the mask,
and my whole life like passedthrough me.
That was the first and last timeI did it, but then it put things
in perspective for me.
Just like do something thatscares you at least once and may
open up certain truth aboutyourself that you didn't know.
SPEAKER_03 (46:48):
I like that.
This isn't ambitious, but dosomething that scares you once a
day.
SPEAKER_00 (46:53):
Once a day, once again, once a day is what I
like.
SPEAKER_03 (46:55):
I mean, I'm not up to that.
I, you know, I need to do betteron that, but it's not once a
day, once a week, once a month,not once in a life.
I think that is so important todo all the time.
And I and also what it does isit trains you, it conditions
that that fear inside you to uhbe normalized.
So you're less afraid, you know,and you become a more courageous
person.
I found, at least in my journey,of of purposely scaring myself
(47:19):
with almost going to prison.
Almost going to prison.
SPEAKER_00 (47:22):
Through the rave, you found your way.
Oh my god, through the rave, youfound your way.
SPEAKER_03 (47:29):
You know, Marcus Aurelius, we don't need him
anymore.
Through the rave, you found theway.
SPEAKER_00 (47:33):
Well, on this beautiful note, I would like to
wrap up this episode.
Today we had Pedro Correa.
Please look out for the newmovie.
Yeah, Swipe.
Uh Swipe, check it out.
Um, I know this episode is gonnaprobably come out a little bit
later than the movies up, butcheck it out where people can
find that movie.
SPEAKER_03 (47:50):
They can see it on Hulu Disney Plus.
Check it out.
I love you.
SPEAKER_00 (47:55):
Check it out, guys.
Well, thank you so much forbeing on the basic show.
SPEAKER_03 (47:58):
All right.
SPEAKER_00 (47:59):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_03 (48:00):
Thank you.
I'm learning that men have feelings and can
express them, honestly.
I found, at least in my journeyof of purposely scaring myself
with almost going to prison, heended up actually getting his
lung removed, uh, which I didn'tknow was possible to live and he
survived by a sliver of fate.
SPEAKER_00 (00:17):
You have pigs, camels, dogs, cats, kids, cows,
goats.
Anything you can imagine is inone street.
SPEAKER_03 (00:25):
But I lost all this weight.
I I grew up my hair.
I got chased by a bear thereonce.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
Once?
SPEAKER_03 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, on a mountain.
I grew up surrounded by graffitiartists and and some people, you
know, a lot of my early friendsuh either ended up in jail or
dead.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01):
All right, hello, beautiful people.
Welcome to the basic show.
We are officially at season fourthemed dark matter.
And today I have a very specialguest, Pedro Correa.
Woo! Thank you for being on theapplause.
I'm very excited to have you onthe basic show.
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I know you messaged me andthings aligned, and we had an
opportunity.
And I know, if I'm not mistaken,if I stalked to Instagram
correctly, you just came backfrom Canada.
SPEAKER_03 (01:31):
Uh yes, yeah.
I was at TIFF uh for this moviethat I'm in.
Have a little fun roll in,swiped.
Uh we premiered over there.
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (01:38):
I hadn't been to Canada in like 10 years.
I was like walking around beinglike, oh yeah, this is another
country.
But I like it.
Right?
I like that country.
SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
So that's not your first time you've been there.
You've been there.
SPEAKER_03 (01:48):
Uh no, I grew up a little bit all over, but one of
my home bases was Seattle,Washington, when I was growing
up.
And Seattle is very close toVancouver in Canada.
And so I spent some time inWhistler when I was like a
little baby.
I got chased by a bear thereonce.
SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
What?
SPEAKER_03 (02:04):
Yeah, yeah, on a mountain.
SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
Well, obviously you won.
SPEAKER_03 (02:07):
I won.
You don't want to see the bear.
SPEAKER_00 (02:09):
You want to see the other guy.
Okay, so uh your mother um is ateacher, right?
That's why you travel to so manyplaces.
SPEAKER_03 (02:16):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, she's an elementary schoolteacher for international
schools around the world.
So I get some crazy Christmasexperiences going and visiting
her.
SPEAKER_00 (02:27):
So where does she live right now?
SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
Uh she just moved to Bangladesh.
Wow.
Isn't that crazy?
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:33):
What a choice.
I mean, I'm sure she didn'tchoose it, right?
SPEAKER_03 (02:35):
But uh it chose her.
SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
It chose her.
I like the way you think.
Yeah.
I one time was in India,actually, and it was most
surreal experience in my life.
Have you ever been there?
SPEAKER_03 (02:45):
No, I haven't.
SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
It's like you land in right into the movie set.
On the same road, you have pigs,camels, dogs, cats, kids, cows,
goats.
Anything you can imagine is inone street.
And there was zero car accidentson the street.
So I realized, okay, how evenpossible to have car accidents
in the USA and huge highways.
(03:06):
And in India, you have suchcrazy traffic and zero car
accidents.
But it's an amazing, beautifulcountry.
I'm really happy.
SPEAKER_03 (03:11):
My favorite vibe, just like controlled chaos.
You know, like you can havechaos, but if things work, then
it's okay.
You know?
SPEAKER_00 (03:19):
And we have another plane, guys.
Immersive experience.
SPEAKER_03 (03:23):
This is an ASMR.
SPEAKER_00 (03:25):
I know, it's like soothing.
So anyway, back to it.
So you went to Canada topremiere the movie that you're
in.
Uh, can you tell us a little bitwhat this movie is about?
SPEAKER_03 (03:36):
Yeah, it's about um the founder of Bumble, Whitney
Wolf, and her experience, uh,trials and tribulations, very
tough ones, um, starting in asmall incubator, a tech
incubator, um, that she wasinvited to work at.
And um things got a little uhkind of toxic in that
environment, and uh she got uhshould go through some tough
(03:59):
times for sure.
But she uh kind of my favoritepart about the movie is that she
goes through those crazy timesand kind of comes out um a
winner in her own rights forsure.
I'm like a big fan of this bookcalled Obstacle is the way.
I won't shut up about it.
SPEAKER_00 (04:16):
Tell us what is the mom.
SPEAKER_03 (04:18):
It's so good.
SPEAKER_00 (04:19):
Obstacle, say it again.
SPEAKER_03 (04:20):
Obstacle is the way.
SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
Obstacle is the way.
Okay, what is it?
SPEAKER_03 (04:24):
Um by uh Ryan Holiday, if I'm not uh mistaken.
If I get that wrong, I'm justgonna make it.
We'll do fact-checking.
Fact-check on the screen.
Um it's about stoicism.
And uh Ryan, the author, kind ofmodernizes a lot of stoicism and
uh just teaches you kind of notto go uh on the roller coaster
(04:45):
too high or too low, you know,and really kind of just be uh
present in wherever you're at,but also to kind of convert the
downs in your life into likeopportunities, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
Give me an example.
SPEAKER_03 (04:58):
Man, that's a okay.
I have an example queued rightup for you.
Um when I first came to LA to uhwork in movies, it was for
acting, right?
And I started YouTube when I wasa kid, and that was like kind of
my way in.
That was the only thing I knewhow in like the Middle East, for
example.
Little skateboarding there,yeah, filming myself doing dumb
(05:20):
stuff.
Um but uh I came to LA and Iworked my ass off uh just
auditioning, auditioning,auditioning.
And I finally got lucky enoughto book a really big role.
It was like a lead role.
Um, I think it was like 22 atthe time.
Uh it was with uh two very bigactors that I won't name.
(05:41):
Um and uh I immediately gotsigned by the biggest agency in
Hollywood.
It was like, you know, uh postedon uh one of the biggest
publications in you knowHollywood.
And I for this role, I itrequired me to lose 20 pounds.
I was already pretty skinny atthe time.
Easy.
(06:01):
Sorry.
Um at that time I could do it.
Now I'd be like, oh God.
Um get it, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
Yeah, uh, but thanks, Leonardo DiCaprio.
SPEAKER_03 (06:09):
Yeah.
But I lost all this weight.
I I grew out my hair.
Uh it was for like a very likeuh uh kind of odd character.
And um one of the actors in themovie, they ended up uh having a
conflict on their schedule, andso they pushed the shoot date.
I was like, no worries.
Uh it was like a month later,then a month goes by and they
shot uh they pushed it anothertwo months and then another
(06:32):
three and then another four.
That's the worst.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
And so what happened was thefinancing fell through because
the act, you know, you have toget actors attached to movies
for financing.
So, long story short, um, I wentfrom the super, super high to
the super, super low of beinglike, oh man, that was like the
life changer for me at the time.
(06:54):
But obstacles the way, and whatthat kind of caused me to do was
I was like, screw it, I'm justgonna make my own movie.
And I ended up writing a movie,producing it, and starring in
it, and that ended up being mydead dad, uh, which we ended up
selling to HBO Max.
So obstacles the way.
SPEAKER_00 (07:12):
Well, this is incredible because I believe in
the expression that says it'snot happening to you, it's
happening for you, right?
Sometimes when you think thatcould be the worst thing in your
life, but might prepare you foryour biggest win, right?
For your biggest uh victory.
And I wanted to talk a littlebit more about the other movie,
but since you uh mentioned uh mydad dad, I want to talk about
(07:35):
that movie.
It's incredible that you madethat movie before you were 30.
So you acted it, you wrote it,and you directed it, which is
really, really impressive.
Can you tell us a little bit ofthe behind the story?
I know that it is based uh onyour real life, right?
Real life story.
Tell us a little bit, oh alittle bit inspired, maybe,
right?
Yeah.
Okay.
So tell us, tell us how did thatmovie come along and what
(07:56):
actually moved you to createthat movie?
SPEAKER_03 (07:58):
Yeah, yeah, great question.
Yeah.
So I wrote it, produced it,started in it, and I uh I worked
with my friend who's like abrother to me, uh uh who's a
director, and it really cameabout like in such a weird
roundabout way.
Again, kind of that experienceof of something that felt so
like so much of a low ended upkind of converting to a high.
(08:18):
Because when I was uh in myearly teens, my parents got a
divorce.
I hadn't seen my dad in in yearsand years.
He moved back to Peru where he'sfrom, and we ended up moving to
the Middle East because my mom'sa school teacher and just kind
of bops around and she got a jobthere.
SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
Completely different world, right?
Completely different world.
SPEAKER_03 (08:36):
I was like, you know, what was I?
I was like 12 years old.
I was ready to drink and partyand all the things you should
never do as a 12-year-old.
I was so ready for high school.
SPEAKER_00 (08:45):
That was your real life experience, right?
SPEAKER_03 (08:47):
Yeah.
And then my mom's like, You wantto move to the Middle East one
day on the phone?
I was in Seattle at the time,and I was like, no.
And she's like, too bad.
Uh it's happening.
Yeah, it's happening for you.
It's happening for me.
Um, I wanted to be a prosnowboarder at the time,
actually.
And because of that, I ended upfinding YouTube, which helped me
find filmmaking and acting, etc.
(09:08):
Wait, hold on.
SPEAKER_00 (09:08):
You said you were you were becoming a professional
or a work.
SPEAKER_03 (09:11):
Well, arguably.
I wanted to aspiring, yeah.
On the way, then yes, on theway.
Um, Sean White Jr., I calledmyself.
SPEAKER_00 (09:23):
Yeah, way more handsome, obviously.
Obviously, obviously.
Five times.
SPEAKER_03 (09:27):
Sean White's a handsome guy.
I don't want to unhandsome him.
Anyways, uh, but um canceled.
I get canceled because Sean, Icalled Sean White not as
handsome as me.
SPEAKER_00 (09:38):
I feel like guys shouldn't be offended when
somebody comments on theirlooks.
You know, it's too too likewhat's the word?
Like voyeuristic notvoyeuristic, so what's the right
word?
Too narcissistic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I guess, yeah.
I would agree.
Yeah.
That's my problem.
Okay, back to the call.
SPEAKER_03 (09:52):
Actually, it's just turning into therapy.
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (09:54):
Have you ever done therapy before?
SPEAKER_03 (09:56):
I have done therapy uh during this divorce, not to
full circle it around.
Okay, okay, yeah.
My parents broke up.
Uh I was in therapy for a secondand quick sidebar on the
therapy.
I will get back to that in asecond.
But yeah, I have too many topicslike that.
Okay.
But uh, I moved there, hadn'theard from my dad in years and
years.
And one day, out of the blue, hecalled me and was like, hey, I
(10:18):
was like, Oh shit, hey.
Um first of all, that was ashock, but the bigger shock was
he was like, I have lung cancer,I'm gonna die in like a month,
says the hospital that I'm incurrently.
Um, I would like you to takeover this uh small kind of
crumbling apartment uh in Peru.
And so at that age, I think Iwas about 13 at the time, and he
(10:40):
hung up, and then I assumed thatwas the last I'd ever heard, you
know, would hear from my dad.
And I went that entire monthbeing like, wow, okay, I'm gonna
be a 13-year-old landlord, andI'm never gonna get closure with
my dad.
Two of the lesser fun things Ithink in my life.
SPEAKER_00 (10:59):
Wait, to clarify, you were 13 at the time.
SPEAKER_03 (11:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And um, so I really sat withthat, and I just kind of grieved
my dad at that point.
In real life, uh, what ended uphappening versus what happens in
the movie, he ended up actuallygetting his lung removed, uh,
which I didn't know was possibleto live, and he survived by a
sliver of fate, which is supercool.
(11:24):
Um, because later in life wesort of got the opportunity to
kind of reconnect and as likeadults, you know, although I
kind of missed out sort of onthat childhood in a way, um,
there was a silver lining.
And so I ended up writing thismovie about uh sort of that
period of time of uh how I feltand what was happening and sort
of what was supposed to be.
(11:46):
Um and it was such a weirdexperience having the
opportunity to do that, and thenfor also my dad to see it, where
he was like what the fuck atfirst, you know, but uh it it
was this uh massive silverlining because we kind of that
was my communication with him.
SPEAKER_00 (12:08):
So how old were you when you reconnected with your
dad?
SPEAKER_03 (12:11):
Um, I was probably just before like 18.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (12:15):
Um I was like, So first time heard from him when
he was 13.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (12:19):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And then he survived and I waslike, what?
SPEAKER_00 (12:24):
Um I cannot imagine what was going, you know,
through your head and yourfeelings because obviously the
person hasn't been present inyour life, right?
And then he is going throughsome realizations and coming
back to you.
Yeah.
How did you feel about that?
SPEAKER_03 (12:37):
I mean, no, it was uh it was crazy.
I honestly was really angry atthe time.
I was kind of like um had a chipon my shoulder, and then there's
a whole other side too where Ididn't want to be in the Middle
East as a teenager at the time.
Um so thankful for it inretrospect, but um that I just
was really angry at life, Ithink.
And really that anger wassadness, I think, but
(13:00):
unexpressed.
And um you know, it just taughtme a lot about um people don't
stay here for long, you know,and it's hard to be angry when
you're grateful.
And once I kind of startedreflecting and kind of getting
those thoughts out, all thethings that I wanted to tell my
dad, uh, but in movie form, uhit it was really helpful for me,
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I think.
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
May I ask you, I know it's not my place to ask,
but did you reconcile with yourdad while he was alive?
SPEAKER_03 (13:32):
Or yes.
So it not quite, likeimmediately, but like over the
span of time.
And in a weird way, it wasironically the movie that helped
that.
He ended up seeing it, and Idon't even know if I actually I
didn't even speak to him aboutit for years, you know, like
from when I was writing it tothen it was sold the HBO.
SPEAKER_00 (13:57):
Yes.
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
So then when we sold the HBO, I was like, you
probably should watch this.
SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
Wow, this is incredible.
I can't imagine like whatfeelings your dad was going
through, right?
SPEAKER_03 (14:07):
Yeah, yeah.
He I remember he sent me a voicememo after watching it, and he
has this thick Peruvian accent.
He looks like me except manyshades darker, and he was just
like hard to imagine.
Yes, just imagine it.
Imagine this blank canvas havingsome sun on it.
SPEAKER_00 (14:23):
I can't imagine that.
Okay, now the way you'redescribing is really out there.
SPEAKER_03 (14:27):
Um but he ended up sending me a voice memo from
WhatsApp and was like, wow, wow,I almost cried.
What?
And I was like, you almostcried.
I was like, you cried, you sonof a big thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He cried, he cried, he didn'ttell me.
SPEAKER_00 (14:47):
Oh my god.
I mean, I can't even imaginethat you know I can't imagine
you know that feeling because ifwe if let's say if we take your
feelings and you know, I don'tknow if that's the right word,
philosophize them, right?
Do you think it's possible forfamily forgive and experience
forgiveness after death?
SPEAKER_03 (15:13):
I think it's hard.
I think it makes it a lot morecomplicated, you know, which I
am so lucky that I have it.
I didn't need to experience thatin that circumstance.
Um but I think a lot of thatkind of forgiveness, I mean,
really most of that forgivenessis just inside you, really,
right?
You know, because if you'reyou're resentful towards someone
(15:36):
or if you're hurt by somebody,in reality, if you just have
that tool just to kind of shutthat off or or kind of um
overcome it, then what's thedifference?
You know what I mean?
If you've forgiven yourself, ifyou've forgiven them in your
mind, right, then all isforgiven.
But I think obviously havingsomebody say, Hey, sorry, you
(16:01):
know what I mean?
To their face, yeah, ismassively means so much.
But I don't know if it's alwaysnecessary.
And I think that was kind of a alearning experience for me where
again I'm so lucky that I didn'thave to go through that, but it
kind of it gave me a taste ofthat, you know what I mean, in a
(16:21):
weird way.
Because I didn't know if I wasgonna reconnect with them
anyway, but I was like, you knowwhat?
I really need to like processthis and I need to figure this
out for myself, and I was ableto, and then have a cherry on
top of actually having thatinteraction.
SPEAKER_00 (16:34):
So what helped you?
Because I know it's not easy, II probably extremely complicated
because some people you knowthey feel resentment, right?
You're not forgiving somebodyfeel resentful, it impacts your
life, impacts your relationship,you know, your friend circle,
things like that.
And it's not easy without atherapist to go through that.
(16:55):
So was it something that youlearned for yourself?
Was it someone else's impact inyou that helped you to reach
that level?
Because I know it's not theeasiest way to do.
SPEAKER_03 (17:06):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Um, it's a good question.
I and I would probably likeagain attribute a lot of
stoicism to that.
You know, I started went down aweird rabbit hole before I read
the you know, obstacles the waywhere I was just in this Grecian
text.
I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
I actually read I don't want to name again the the
wrong book, but I think it wasStoicism by Marcus Aurelius.
Yeah, right?
SPEAKER_03 (17:28):
Yeah, Marcus Aurelius is right.
SPEAKER_00 (17:30):
I mean, he was a gangster and the things that he
wrote thousands of years ago isstill applicable, if not even
more nowadays.
So, what is it?
So if we speak, let's say aboutthat topic, Stoicism, what is it
for you, right?
Do you think there are anyqualities that man lost
throughout the time or anyqualities that are forgotten in
modern days from Stoicism?
SPEAKER_03 (17:52):
Um wow, I love that's such a smart question.
Hey, but my brain pay grade.
Let's go deep.
SPEAKER_00 (17:59):
I mean, it's the thing is I know you don't have
all the answers, but I want toknow your opinion.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (18:04):
Yeah, I you know, I feel like just as people, at
least in my experience, how Ifeel about myself, um, I I feel
like everyone's so obsessed withlike striving to become the most
intelligent person they can.
And I feel like that can be thestupidest way to live life.
And what I mean by that is thatthe more logical, the more you
(18:28):
need to make sense of everythingall the time, it can sometimes
get in your own way, I feellike, you know, and I think when
I've been at my lowest or whenI've uh uh been in those tough
corners, I think that justignorance has helped a little
bit, you know, and just sittingdown objectively and being like,
(18:50):
how can I trick myself intothinking everything's okay?
SPEAKER_00 (18:53):
Ignorance is bliss, right?
The most ignorant people arehappy, and the more we know, the
more you know thyself, the moremiserable you are because you
see the bigger picture.
What are you missing, what youhaven't seen, what's out there,
right?
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (19:06):
You don't need to see everything.
SPEAKER_00 (19:07):
You don't need you're getting overwhelmed,
right?
Life is short, and so much youhaven't, you know, possibly will
will not be able to experience.
But going back to the stoicism,sorry.
SPEAKER_03 (19:16):
Yeah, no, no, absolutely.
So, like part, you know, thisisn't exactly, you know, uh from
the text stoicism, we'll say,but my version of stoicism is
protecting myself, you know,from from just from the outside
world, you know, whether that'slike diet of the brain or just
(19:36):
um the interactions you have orthe things you tell yourself,
like these are all likemassively important, you know,
for me because there is a flipside of stoicism where I was
really trying to practice thatand reading a lot of Marcus
Aurelius for a long time,especially my early 20s when I
was like kind of had a littlebit more of a down.
I got you know first breakups,things like that, like serious
(19:58):
ones.
You have to go through this.
SPEAKER_00 (20:00):
Yeah, you gotta be a CC, we'll see.
SPEAKER_03 (20:03):
Okay, well, that's not what I would call myself on
my early 20s.
No, just say you've been sayingif you didn't go through that.
Hey, no offense, cancel thegame.
Take that, Sean White.
Um, you know, the the the trickwith stoicism is you can get so
numb to everything as well,where I condition myself to
(20:26):
really not feel like um much ofa low just because I sort of
remind myself all the time,you're gonna die, everyone's
gonna die.
Um, and everyone is uh uhguaranteed that same experience.
SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
A little depressing, the same outcome, maybe not the
same experience.
Well, yes, exactly.
Correct.
SPEAKER_03 (20:45):
I would agree with that.
Um but uh on the flip side ofthat, if you're so conditioned
to uh being okay with or numb tothe bad things, you can be numb
to the good things too.
True, and that is something Ireally struggled with for a long
time.
Um, where when things uh weregood, I would not fully
(21:07):
celebrate because I'd be readyfor them to get bad.
And that can be so dangerous.
And I think actually referencingwhat I was talking about before
of getting that like dream role,like when I was so young and
just moved to Hollywood and likebeing on top of the world and
then losing that, you know, forjust circumstantially, um, that
taught me to never be toocareful, never celebrate too
(21:28):
early, you know, like when it'sin the bag, but you can get
carried away with that too.
And then it's like, what's thepoint?
You know, what's the point ofthe thing?
SPEAKER_00 (21:35):
I could compare it more like as a defensive driver.
You drive on a highway, and whenyou're so defensive, you always
expect hypothetically a crashhappen any second.
So you're so focused on nothingbad should have happened to you,
and you forget to enjoy theride, right?
You enjoy to really ease intothat ride.
And when you said you'regetting, you know, protecting
(21:57):
yourself and getting defensive,maybe in a way like you
correctly noticed, maybe you areprotecting yourself from good
things as well, right?
From enjoying the moment.
Sometimes, yes, things may notlast, their success may not
last, right?
But enjoying that moment, that'swhy I believe we person
personally that we should beliving for the small little
moments of happiness.
And if we don't celebrate them,you don't give yourself maybe a
(22:20):
little bit of encouragement tokeep going, right?
To do something better,something that you enjoy more.
SPEAKER_03 (22:25):
Yeah, I I wholeheartedly agree with that.
You know, and that's that justthought right there changed my
thoughts and and my my my lifereally more in the past couple
years, where it's interestingbecause then you reflect on on a
lot of the big goals you have inyour life and things like that,
and and maybe those thingsbecome just a little bit less
important.
(22:46):
And I'm sort of a little bit ofa workaholic.
And a little bit.
And to me, that's terrifying.
Where I'm like, no, I must, youknow, always like strive for
100% greatness and yada yada.
But um but is it worth it?
I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00 (23:03):
I think Salvador Dali one time said he said, Do
not afraid to achieve perfectionbecause you'll never achieve it.
SPEAKER_01 (23:09):
I love that.
SPEAKER_00 (23:10):
It's it's like you always will think and you can
perfect it million, milliontimes to make it better, better,
better.
Yeah, but you might not neverachieve it.
So Maya just sometimes just makeit good enough.
Absolutely, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (23:22):
And I ironically, no, ironically, you end up kind
of achieving your own versionsof greatness.
Right.
You know, it it becomes you knowthe law of attraction where
things kind of come to youmysteriously sometimes when
you're a little bit less, youknow, I gotta have it, and
da-da-da.
And I I I must uh drink sandevery morning.
Wow.
(23:43):
Yeah, weird rituals.
Okay.
Everyone's really been gettingme, they've been selling me
sand.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (23:50):
That sounded actually horrific.
Drinking sand.
Okay, already feel.
SPEAKER_03 (23:56):
Didn't that make you just a little thirsty?
I know, right?
SPEAKER_00 (23:59):
I was already sweating.
SPEAKER_03 (24:01):
I know, you're you're incredible.
SPEAKER_00 (24:04):
Yeah, but I'm dedicated to the theme.
SPEAKER_03 (24:06):
You are so dedicated to the thing.
I almost wore a jacket.
Now it's like, I'm gonna die.
I'm literally gonna die.
SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
Yeah, women, women, we do everything, we do a lot of
sacrifice for beauty.
I give it to you.
That's that's our fault.
Speaking of women, man, I don'tknow, I'm just jumping from one
topic, um, from one topic toanother, but uh, I want to go
back a little bit to stoicism.
Um, what is masculine to you?
Do you think men are sensibleand should men be more sensible
(24:34):
or put that mask off?
You know, I'm strong, I'mmasculine, I'm always like the
protector, I'm always like, youknow, lead the way.
Do you think men are allowed orbeen stripped of feelings to
feel and be sensible?
SPEAKER_03 (24:47):
Yeah, that's a great question.
I really felt right now it's insuch an interesting time in the
world, just generally.
Um I would say, like, when I wasmaking my dead dad, for example,
I very much felt like you you asa man are not really allowed to
uh really feel, you know what Imean, public in a public space.
(25:10):
And that's you know, obviouslythere's exceptions, but um still
there's that expectation.
Now I I'd really need to checkin with myself and take a social
temperature.
I'm not exactly sure that's thecase because I do see, you know,
it kind of swings, I think, youknow, sociology.
And there's definitely, youknow, I think a hunger for more
(25:33):
um more like uh uh can-doattitude, you know, and less
kind of whininess, I think, uhout in the world.
SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
Just go, just do it.
SPEAKER_03 (25:43):
Yeah, just do it, Nike style.
SPEAKER_00 (25:45):
Um I'm gonna reach out to Nike.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (25:48):
Nike, um, don't only sponsor the show.
Up for you.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, also do Cotty.
I'll take any sponsors.
I know, right?
SPEAKER_00 (25:57):
Yeah, I have to do a lot of calls after this episode.
SPEAKER_03 (25:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Too much pressure.
You know?
Um but um going back tosensible.
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (26:07):
Okay, let me let me summar like maybe narrow it
down.
Do you think men um it's okayfor men, let's say if they are
in a relationship, to open upand share their feelings without
the fear being judged or withoutthe fear that okay, nobody
cares, and or I'm expectedalways to be strong.
I'm always expected to, youknow, to man up and man don't
(26:29):
cry, you know, man's supposed tobe this certain way.
But I also kind of on the samepage with you that I do feel men
should be allowed to be moresensible, to have and express
more feelings without obviouslybeing feminine.
Where's that silver lining,right?
SPEAKER_03 (26:43):
Yeah, it's it's interesting because I think that
um you know business has taughtme a lot about relationships,
like and and just your ownrelationship to the world, I
feel like.
Because you know, male, female,whatever, uh anything in
between, I feel like that's alittle less relevant to me.
(27:06):
I feel like it's uh you have toidentify, I think, your team.
You know what I mean?
Whether it's it's a a friendshipor a relationship or anything,
um, or again being a leader inyour community.
I think it's important to gaugekind of the social temperature
of being like, okay, who's theleader here?
Who's you know, the the theprovider or the or the the
(27:27):
nurturer?
Um, and those things canflip-flop sometimes, but I I
notice a lot of the times, uhhonestly in my own
relationships, uh I don't knowif relationships was a question,
but uh sometimes that when thatbecomes unclear, I feel like
when you're both trying to playthe same team member, uh things
have not worked out as well forme.
(27:49):
You know, what do you mean?
SPEAKER_00 (27:50):
Like you let's say when you say play the same team
member, saying that you havecertain assigned role to you,
right?
Like you like your boyfriend orrelationship, whatever, yeah,
girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever.
SPEAKER_03 (28:01):
Yeah, um you're saying you're not expected to or
yeah, I feel like like when youreally need to take the lead on
something, and you have twopeople trying to take the lead
on something, whether it's youknow, you're going into war or
whether you're going to SohoHouse for dinner for a date.
SPEAKER_00 (28:19):
That could turn into a war.
A total war zone with the wrongpartner.
SPEAKER_03 (28:24):
Yes, yes.
Uh, or with the right partnerwho you're not taking the social
temperature, right?
You know, and um, you know,maybe uh I feel like a good
relationship is one person isleaning on another at different
points.
You know what I mean?
Sometimes you need a littlehelp, sometimes they need a
little help.
Um, and that's I think theimportant distinction for me, at
(28:46):
least as a guy, of being like,okay, uh, yeah, it's important
to express emotions and and tobe communicative.
Um, but it's also important tome to be like a leader and to be
strong, you know, for the peoplearound me.
Um, but if people need me to bestrong in that exact moment and
I want I want to cry, maybe toobad for two seconds, you know?
(29:11):
Um, but it is super important tolet that cry out nonetheless at
some point.
And I think that's where a lotof people get caught where they
feel like they're stuck thereand they have no outlet.
And at least that's not how Ilive my life.
SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
Well, I feel like if you do put bottling feelings
right inside and you don'texpress them, one day it's gonna
explode, right?
But do you believe?
Um, I guess my question is whatexpectations are for you
personally in your partner umwhen you do want to experience
and share those feelings and bevulnerable uh and be c you know,
(29:48):
when you're comfortable, to bevulnerable in front of that
person.
What what qualities areimportant?
Is it important that the personlistens to you, gives you an
advice, like what what would beimportant to you?
SPEAKER_03 (30:00):
That's a good question because sometimes uh I
learned I learned in my early20s, not everyone needs advice
when they're down.
Right?
I was like a total fixer.
SPEAKER_00 (30:08):
I was like, all right, well, this is the
solution.
No, yeah, you're good.
Sometimes you need to listen.
Are you gone?
Just to be I'm I'm that's whyI'm doing the show because I'm
not a really good listener.
I'm learning.
SPEAKER_03 (30:19):
Well, you're fooling me.
SPEAKER_00 (30:20):
I'm learning.
I'm learning.
SPEAKER_03 (30:22):
Season four, right?
SPEAKER_00 (30:23):
Season four.
Hey, you know, every time I'mtrying to improve and listen and
not to lose the train of thoughtthat we started five minutes
ago.
But I feel like, you know, Ireally want to get your honest
opinion on things because a lotof men and my man friends that
I'm talking to, for example,they shared with me that hey, I
had a girlfriend and I wasalways there for her, always
(30:43):
helped her, always listened toher.
And when there was that momentwhen I fell down, when I felt
weak and I opened up and I wasnot I wasn't vulnerable, I
expressed it to her.
She was just like, Okay, justman up, you know.
Um, just don't be a wussy, don'tbe a sissy, you know, stop
crying.
And then he felt unhurt, andthen obviously that wasn't the
right partner for him.
(31:04):
Yeah, and then made me thinkthat there's so much pressure on
men to be all these things andto pretend and put a mask on and
not share their feelings.
SPEAKER_01 (31:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:15):
Right?
Because I do feel men doobviously, men do have feelings,
right?
Men do have feelings.
Big surprise.
Lot twist.
He's like, cancel the game.
Uh men do have feelings, but Ifeel they're more pressured to
express them.
And when they do, they laugh at,right?
I don't know what you tell me.
I yeah, no, I don't know.
I want to hear from you.
SPEAKER_03 (31:36):
I totally feel that way.
I uh I have I'm I'm learningthis myself.
I'm learning that men havefeelings and can express them,
honestly.
Uh, because I tend in my ownpersonal life, I tend to go one
way or another.
You know what I mean?
And I think what we're talkingabout is is sort of a remedy of
that of like if you stay bottledup at some point you're gonna
(31:58):
need to let it out.
Um and it's uh uh you know likea tire, a tire pressure
products.
Um discrete product placementtire and another tire.
Yeah, I swear to God, Ducatisponsors it.
Anyways, um no.
I wish yeah, manifesting.
Yes, manifest, manifest.
Um but if you know a tire's toofilled up, it's gonna pop.
(32:22):
If a tire's, you know, uh uhcompletely uh uh uh no no
pressure at all, it can't bestrong uh and work.
So there's gotta be a middleground.
And I think that uh that's beensomething that I've been trying
to find out uh the balance to inmy life for sure.
Um and for me, a lot of it isjust listening, you know.
I and a lot of how I learned notto be the fixer all the time or
(32:43):
try to be the fixer when youdon't need to be, is when people
do that to me and I'm like, ohno, no, no, I just I I need to
just listen.
Just shut up and I I alreadyhave the solution here.
I'm just whining.
SPEAKER_00 (32:54):
Not whining, but I think as human beings and being
part of the society, we forgotthe you know, there's a
forgotten art of just beinghuman and react and communicate
and listen and understand andyou know have your own.
I mean, maybe you don't have toexpress your opinion every
single second, but just to beable to listen, you know, shut
(33:14):
like I said, shut up and listen.
SPEAKER_01 (33:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (33:16):
And it seems like you uh do uh understand your
feelings, right?
How much of your vulnerabilityyou are willing to put into your
artwork?
SPEAKER_03 (33:28):
That used to be the only place I was vulnerable in
my artwork.
Um and I think that became uhtricky for me as a as a young
guy, uh because then I realizedthat you need more than that,
you know?
Um sometimes art is lonely.
So still for me, that that's abit of a safe haven where now
(33:53):
for the first time in my life Ifeel so creatively free to where
I can write anything, and now Ialmost now I almost seek out
that discomfort of puttingsomething on paper and being
like, oh, that's gonna be soembarrassing when someone reads
it or sees it.
Um and if I don't feel that way,then usually I get bored of the
(34:13):
thing.
So it's kind of a vicious cycle.
SPEAKER_00 (34:16):
I hear it because it takes a lot of courage.
And what you're doing, in myopinion, you're kind of taking
your ego out of it and yousharing your story, and I know
it because I try to write thingsin my own, and I know when you
try to come up with the mostamazing, dramatic, cool story,
but if it's you personally notfeeling it, if you're not being
vulnerable on the page, right?
(34:37):
That might not resonate with thereader.
And you said this is the firsttime you have the freedom,
right?
Aren't you still wary, like ifyour concept or your project
will be commercially successfulif you have that level of
freedom?
SPEAKER_03 (34:51):
Yes.
Okay, absolutely.
Yeah, having a having acommercially viable project is
uh is very tricky.
I mean, a lot of that comes downto genre, but I feel like with
with kind of the emotional sideof things, something that may
not be completely true, but I'mtelling myself it's true, is
(35:12):
that the more vulnerable youare, the more commercial it
probably will be anyway.
And and by commercial I meanresonate with other people in a
weird way, where if you pouryour heart out um and and it's
all over the ground and you'rein a public space, people are
gonna come over and and uh andshare that experience with you.
(35:34):
You know, people gravitatetowards that.
SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
But do you think artists nowadays kind of sort of
abusing uh the victimhood, youknow, those feelings just to
sell them?
You know, in a way that theysay, let's just make it the most
outrageous as possible becausewe know that fake vulnerability
may sell.
SPEAKER_03 (35:52):
Yeah, no, that that's true.
That's true.
I think the internet is is a bigpart of that as well.
We're so we're so desensitizedwith everything, you know.
My Instagram reel is like likethe explore page is just cooked.
SPEAKER_00 (36:05):
Well, it's based on what are you searching for.
Don't put it on me.
Okay, I mean it knows, it knowsprobably better than you.
SPEAKER_03 (36:11):
Everyone would be the explore page.
SPEAKER_00 (36:13):
I know.
I have you know, I look througha lot of like cats and dogs in
my feed, and I'm a fashionphotographer.
My feed is all cats and dogs.
I'm like, oh god, I want to beshown more to the fashion world,
and all I see is that that'sthat's very sweet.
SPEAKER_03 (36:27):
Mine is not.
I don't even go into what mineis.
SPEAKER_00 (36:32):
I'm shopped at this conversation.
You might like start gettingsome weird sales emails and
certain products, Ducati mayemail you when I get a bite.
SPEAKER_03 (36:40):
Just gonna be Ducati and this this water brand.
Um, but by the way, it'sJapanese.
SPEAKER_00 (36:45):
Is it?
I didn't even know, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:47):
Oh, made by Mount Fuji, Japan.
Mount Fuji made this.
I'm dying to go to Japan.
I can taste that, you know.
Right, can you taste the MountFuji?
SPEAKER_00 (36:55):
The sprinkles, the sprinkles of nature.
So let me ask you this.
I'm gonna rant a little bit.
Uh I'm not in this I'm not fromthe movie uh cinema world, movie
world, and I'm so sick and tiredof franchises, of the nother
superhero movie.
And but at the same time, when Iwatch indie movies, they're
(37:15):
always lacking, you know, um,they have the sensibility, the
the you know, the feelings, thestory, but they're lacking the
beautiful picture.
When you look at the beautiful,glossy picture, you're liking
the story.
So as a person who um who are inthe cinema world, how do you
think or how do you see thefuture of cinematography or
cinema, a movie world, right?
(37:37):
Where you can create projectsthat has that have it all,
right?
That have the story, the beauty,the special effects, but also
doesn't lose its heart.
SPEAKER_03 (37:45):
Oh, that's a good question.
This might be a million-dollarquestion for the industry, to be
honest.
SPEAKER_00 (37:51):
Send an email to me, I have more of those questions.
SPEAKER_03 (37:54):
Um, yeah, I I always strive to to attempt to get
there, you know.
Uh I have a long way to go, butum I mean what's interesting
about like pretty pictures andstuff, not to go back to the
internet again, I feel like likethings that perform on the
internet, if you f if you makethem too polished, they will not
(38:16):
perform well.
SPEAKER_01 (38:17):
Very good point.
SPEAKER_03 (38:18):
Um, which I hate because I love craft and I love
lighting and I love can'tearning out about cameras.
And and sometimes your stuffwill do better if uh it's almost
that law of attraction thing.
Like it looked like you didn'ttry, which I hate.
I hate that concept because Itried so hard.
SPEAKER_00 (38:36):
Maybe just try less harder.
Try a little less a little less.
Just give less fucks.
You know, things will flow.
SPEAKER_03 (38:43):
Ah, I like that.
I need a I need a no, but I'mgonna take it back.
SPEAKER_00 (38:46):
You know what?
Sorry, I'm gonna take it backbecause we do need true
craftsmanship.
Like the things you're saying,you are not a perfectionist, but
you care about the littledetails.
That's what the cinematographyused to be about, right?
Yeah, look at the movie of um atthe movies in the 90s, right?
They actually went to reallocations, they actually wear
like no makeup, they had likereal beautiful skin, I'm
(39:08):
jealous.
They actually had real vehicles,real car chase scenes, right?
Nowadays, everything is on greenscreen, everything is like, you
know, now AI is here, right?
Everything is just feels sofabricated and we feel
desensitized.
So, in your opinion, sorry, Iagain interrupted another
question that I asked before.
But how do you feel and what canbe changed to still have that
(39:31):
feeling, right?
Without being, I don't know,like too indie, right?
I guess.
Yeah.
So what is it easy to sell theseideas to the executives?
SPEAKER_03 (39:41):
Yeah, that's such a great question.
I uh we're we're gonna find outby the end of this podcast.
I'm gonna be thinking here aboutthis question the entire time.
SPEAKER_00 (39:48):
My viewers like Victoria, what are you freaking
asking?
Yeah, I guess.
SPEAKER_03 (39:52):
I'm gonna email you in a week.
I know you find out yet.
SPEAKER_00 (39:54):
Hate mail.
Because you're like, you don'tyou never let your subjects
finish the thought.
My sister will be like, finish,sorry, finish, finish the
thought, finish the thought.
SPEAKER_03 (40:02):
My thought on this is it's a balancing act, I
think.
Um you know, I think if you ifyou have like a high concept, if
you have like high polish, youknow, cinematography, um, if you
have a lot of heart of uh of auh a story, then there's some
some part of it you need to fuckup a little bit.
(40:23):
And by fuck up, I mean um uhreverse the expectation, you
know what I mean?
Do something wrong on purpose.
Um and I think that's kind ofthe key, you know, at least for
me, where like I I if a projectis a little too picture perfect,
I will be like, okay, what's onelike Jenga piece I can pull out?
So then all of a sudden it'stilting a little bit, and
(40:44):
everyone watching that Jenga setis leaning in just like a little
bit more, you know what I mean?
And I think I think that's thekey to exciting stuff because
when everything's so perfect,when the Jenga tower is so
perfectly aligned, it's like ahwell, I get it.
Like I I know what's gonnahappen.
Nothing versus something that'sa little off but still
beautiful.
SPEAKER_00 (41:05):
That's very interesting.
Very inside.
How did you use that in yourmovie, uh, My Dad Dad?
SPEAKER_03 (41:10):
Yeah, uh, that's a great question.
Uh a lot of it was VHS, sosomething that we were going to
I love that part.
Oh, thank you.
I watched it yesterday.
Let's go.
I appreciate that.
I did.
SPEAKER_00 (41:21):
I love the scene with the Chinese lady.
She's watching theSchwarzenegger movie.
I love that.
That was so great.
SPEAKER_03 (41:27):
Shout out Shulon Twan.
Um but um The imperfect part.
Yeah, the imperfect part uhended up being the VHS because
we were going to shoot a lot ofthe kind of dad flashback stuff
with you know our polished, nicecameras and all that.
Um, but I remember mygrandmother at the time had sent
me just like a mysterious DVD,um, which now is like vintage.
SPEAKER_00 (41:51):
How to even listen, how to even watch a DVD now?
SPEAKER_03 (41:54):
Okay, so this was a problem at the time.
I like just got the new MacBookor something, and I was like,
let me put it in.
What the f I was like, wherewhat do I do with this?
SPEAKER_00 (42:02):
Yeah, they're changing it.
SPEAKER_03 (42:03):
Yeah, yeah.
I was like, do I go get a vinylplayer?
No, that's not work.
Uh yeah, yeah.
I'm just putting it in the yeah.
Um, I ended up having to findsomeone with a really old laptop
and put it in.
But uh, it was all VHS footagefrom my childhood, and that came
at like the perfect time beforewe shot the movie where I was
like, what are the years?
Wait, was it real footage?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (42:22):
So there's like thinking about it.
SPEAKER_03 (42:24):
There's a there's an inner stitch of it that's real,
and then we needed a a littlebit more of it.
So we tracked down like the asimilar camera, and then we we
shot a little bit more.
So it kind of like bridged thosetwo things together, and that's
a perfect example of you know,taking one Jenga piece out of
the tower, now it's a littleoff, and you're like, I love
that.
Is that real?
Is that fake?
(42:44):
I don't know, you know.
That's I always strive for amoment like that in any movie I
make for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (42:50):
That was really nice touch, actually.
And I think that's probably whatI would imagine feels you
excited, right?
About filmmaking.
Yeah.
Well, my gu my next question iswhat makes you excited the most
nowadays?
What brings you joy?
SPEAKER_03 (43:04):
In life?
Yes.
Ooh.
Ooh.
Scary things, but not scarymovies.
Not or like Hollywood horrornights.
Someone invited me last nightand I was like, I'm too scary.
To what?
You know, Hollywood HorrorNight?
They have like in universal,like the giant.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (43:21):
Somebody chasing you with the chainsaw and you pay
for it.
I can't handle it.
SPEAKER_03 (43:25):
I can't handle it.
SPEAKER_00 (43:27):
Okay, so you said you like scary things?
SPEAKER_03 (43:29):
But yeah, not like booze scary, but like things
that are like way out of mycomfort zone, or things that I
think are like like nerdy, orlike things that would make me
uh be like, oh, well, I don't dothat.
You know, I'm not that kind ofperson.
Um like for me this summer, uh,this last summer, I I was kind
(43:49):
of going through a next chapterof my life, and um I had a
friend invite me to a rave.
SPEAKER_00 (43:54):
To a rave.
SPEAKER_03 (43:55):
To a rave.
SPEAKER_00 (43:55):
I've never been to a rave.
A lot of sweaty people too closeto each other.
SPEAKER_03 (43:59):
With that leather, you would be dead.
Let me tell you right now.
SPEAKER_00 (44:02):
I'm done.
SPEAKER_03 (44:03):
Yeah, I would be with the bottom half here.
But um, but my friend invited meto this rave, and it wasn't his
first time inviting me to thisrave.
I was like, I don't rave, Idon't do that.
You know what I mean?
It's not that's bizarre.
SPEAKER_00 (44:13):
I can see you in the rave.
SPEAKER_03 (44:14):
I've changed.
Raves have changed, man.
Raves changed.
I went to the long beach.
Yeah, I went to the long beach.
Uh there was I don't even knowwhat it was called.
There was some giant rave.
The minute I got there, therewere people hopping fences and
yada yah.
There's somebody was gettingpulled out on a stretcher, and I
was like, Where am I?
(44:36):
You just needed to feel alive.
I needed to feel alive.
You needed to feel the danger.
Yes, and the danger that is tofeel alive.
Exactly.
The the scary is is the dangerI'm looking for.
Really, the danger is a betterway to put it.
Um because uh, you know, when Iwas young, that's what I was
accustomed to.
You know, I grew up surroundedby graffiti artists, and and
(44:56):
some people, you know, a lot ofmy early friends uh either ended
up in jail or dead and thingslike that, you know.
So I when I started to becomemore of a workaholic and kind of
only focused on work, I lost apart of that.
I lost kind of like a sort ofdanger in me and was like, dang,
now I guess I have to write allthese things and make them up,
you know.
I'm trying to still find thatdanger as like an adult man
(45:19):
without getting it.
SPEAKER_00 (45:20):
You'll be like Shakespeare if the if the legend
is true that he wrote aboutthings or places he's never
visited or experienced, but youcould be non-Shakespeare, you
can actually experience them andwrite.
What can be perfect more perfectfor a script than true life?
SPEAKER_03 (45:35):
That's my goal.
That's my goal.
And well, this happened to mewith the Rave thing.
You know, I said yes to the Ravething, and then it it set me on
a whole long journey, and then Iended up making this crazy, uh,
this crazy project, like prettymuch stalking these DJs who
wouldn't let me into their rave.
But yeah, it's a long story.
SPEAKER_00 (45:54):
No, that's crazy.
That's actually a good point,uh, and advice for our viewers
that always try something thatscares you.
Yeah, for me, that thing wasfancing.
I tried one time fancing likewith a sword?
Yeah, fancing with the sword.
And it was like the most bizarreexperience in my life because,
first of all, I should have myown mask, but I just used the
one that was there.
(46:14):
Yeah.
Uh I felt like I was in a case.
SPEAKER_03 (46:16):
Dude, you have a mask in there.
You have to wear the I know, butyou said use your own mask with
the bigger.
SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
Use your own because it's obviously new.
Oh, okay, I got it.
It was just like a lot ofpeople.
SPEAKER_03 (46:25):
I imagined your mask with those sunglasses.
SPEAKER_00 (46:27):
A lot of fighters went through my mask with that
mask.
And I just remember there waslike a sword inside of the mask,
and my whole life like passedthrough me.
That was the first and last timeI did it, but then it put things
in perspective for me.
Just like do something thatscares you at least once and may
open up certain truth aboutyourself that you didn't know.
SPEAKER_03 (46:48):
I like that.
This isn't ambitious, but dosomething that scares you once a
day.
SPEAKER_00 (46:53):
Once a day, once again, once a day is what I
like.
SPEAKER_03 (46:55):
I mean, I'm not up to that.
I, you know, I need to do betteron that, but it's not once a
day, once a week, once a month,not once in a life.
I think that is so important todo all the time.
And I and also what it does isit trains you, it conditions
that that fear inside you to uhbe normalized.
So you're less afraid, you know,and you become a more courageous
person.
I found, at least in my journey,of of purposely scaring myself
(47:19):
with almost going to prison.
Almost going to prison.
SPEAKER_00 (47:22):
Through the rave, you found your way.
Oh my god, through the rave, youfound your way.
SPEAKER_03 (47:29):
You know, Marcus Aurelius, we don't need him
anymore.
Through the rave, you found theway.
SPEAKER_00 (47:33):
Well, on this beautiful note, I would like to
wrap up this episode.
Today we had Pedro Correa.
Please look out for the newmovie.
Yeah, Swipe.
Uh Swipe, check it out.
Um, I know this episode is gonnaprobably come out a little bit
later than the movies up, butcheck it out where people can
find that movie.
SPEAKER_03 (47:50):
They can see it on Hulu Disney Plus.
Check it out.
I love you.
SPEAKER_00 (47:55):
Check it out, guys.
Well, thank you so much forbeing on the basic show.
SPEAKER_03 (47:58):
All right.
SPEAKER_00 (47:59):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_03 (48:00):
Thank you.
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