The Bearded Mystic's Oneness Conversations with KnoweRata

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello and welcome to the Bearded Mystic Podcast and
I'm your host, rahul N Singh.
Thank you for joining me today.
I am joined today by Noe Rata,who is an Australian non-dual
teacher, a spiritual teacher,and who's pretty big on YouTube.
But I'm going to let himintroduce himself to you and,

(00:23):
most of all, before we go to noway, I want you to like and
comment on this video andsubscribe to both of our
channels also.
So um over to you, no waythanks for who?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
thanks for having me on I, I really appreciate it.
Um, and to you reaching out.
And, yeah, for anyone watchingthat hasn't seen my sharings on
YouTube, I guess it's weirdtrying to describe this thing of
what I do, but I guess I createvideos and I share videos about

(01:01):
the nature of reality and ourexperience.
I started uploading a couple ofyears ago and, yeah, it's been
a great journey so far.
I really share about the natureof being and who we are and the

(01:23):
spiritual reality that isbehind everything in this world,
and I also love to share, uh,about our, our human experience.
You know, our, our emotionalbody.
Um, I think that's that'sreally important to me as well.
Uh, to include that side of itand, um, yeah, thanks, thanks

(01:47):
for being here thank you, um.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
So what got you interested into spirituality?
Was it something that you've um?
Have you grown up in aspiritual household or you know
what?
What did?
What does it look like for you?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
it's.
It's yeah, it's funny when yousay that because, like, if you
grow up in a spiritual household, because it's like you know,
then I, instantly, when you saythat, I think to like you know,
just like random funny stuffhappening with my family and
completely you know, like notwhat people would expect.
You know, like just muckingaround and kind of like making

(02:25):
fun of each other, like I, yeah,I grew up in a really a really
normal, like loving household.
I have like two really goodparents that I'm really grateful
and proud to have, and I have abrother, younger brother and
sister.
And yeah, I started, I guess, inmy teen years.

(02:48):
It just started as a reallynatural unfolding as we all do
in our teen years.
You know, I was havingdifficulties and stuff at school
and just in life in general andthat's really normal, but I, uh
, I tended to be quite sensitivearound a lot of it and that was

(03:09):
like forcing, really forcing meinto a place of inquiry and I I
really remember just you know,sitting in my sitting in my room
and like searching on YouTubeat 14, 15, like what is
meditation and you know,watching.
There's a guy called on YouTubesomewhere.

(03:32):
I used to watch him likeVishadu Das or something.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, I used to watch his and some other people and
also getting into that wholelike self-help world because I
felt at the time I needed it.
But you know, I remember justlike sitting in my room and
closing my eyes and trying tomeditate and like at that age

(03:58):
being so naive, like even tryingto like visualise worlds and
stuff like that, and trying tolike visualize worlds and stuff
like that, and yeah, it reallyjust unfolded from there.
I became really interested init and I kind of kept it, you
know, a bit hidden from somefriends and people in my life.

(04:21):
And even a friend of mine waslike oh, you know, you seem
pretty happy, just like sittingin your room like meditating and
stuff like that, and I, aroundabout 18, 17, I actually studied
a diploma of film.
It was like filmmaking andthere was also some, uh, acting

(04:45):
stuff and that's all I did.
But, um, that as well in itselfactually created like such a um
, such an opening for me,because it wasn't even like that
.
I realized quite soon it wasn'teven that world that I was
really interested in.
It was like there was somethingin that year of that diploma

(05:06):
that was like a mini awakeningin itself, because something
really clicked when I was, youknow, learning about, you know
scripts and uh and all of thatand emotions, where I realized,
like, oh, there's actuallysomething behind this.
And I actually realized, like,you know, we're something behind
this.
And I actually realized, like,you know, we're all kind of

(05:27):
doing that in this everyday life, like this is a really a big
play and when you are present inin the moment, you know there's
a sort of like there's a lifeand uh, uh and awareness like
behind everything that'shappening, and so that was great

(05:48):
in itself.
You know, I thought I mighthave, you know, a career in that
, but then it just I believethat was there at the time to
like show me more aboutbeingness and the nature of who
we are.
And, um, you know, I moved tosydney not long after and then,

(06:12):
um, I I got involved with abuddhist group here called uh
tratna buddhism and that wasamazing in itself.
I was doing like weekly classes, retreats, I got into like
bhakti yoga and I was part of agroup there and, you know,
behind that as well, I was justlearning a lot online.

(06:34):
Like you know, teachers likeEckhart Tolle, rupert Spira,
like they've had a huge, hugeinfluence on me and, yeah, it
kind of just picked up more andmore and then, you know, I had
some breakthroughs and then itjust felt like a natural
unfolding to start sharing,because I felt so much freedom

(06:57):
and peace inside, like so muchit opened up, um, and so much,
yeah, there's just so muchfreedom and joy.
It was so unbelievable to mebut so natural as well, right,
like nothing special at all, butit just felt so liberating like
what I was going through andkind of opening to that.

(07:17):
I just like, yeah, I have toshare this and, um, I find great
joy in doing that.
Oh, wonderful.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
So we could say like spirituality is kind of
interwoven into your life verynaturally.
So it seems.
And you mentioned how you didthe acting, and Rupert Spire
talks a lot about the King Learexample.
I think you must have heard ofit, but that was coming to my

(07:50):
mind to that.
You know, um, obviously theactor will always know that he's
playing the character King Lear, and if he starts thinking he's
King Lear, that would be a bitstrange going home and thinking
he's part of that.
But, um, so that's reallyinteresting that you you
mentioned that and you mentionedsomething about awareness and,

(08:12):
um, what I would like to know is, when you started sharing more
about this, uh, what you've beengoing through, um, how did you
remain grounded in awarenessduring during that time, or even
now, so to speak?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Well, that's a really good question because, um, you
know, I've I've heard speakersspeak about about that before,
where you know some people mightnot be ready to hear some of
this or just not in a place tomaybe surrender to it fully.

(08:57):
The mind and our thoughtstreams, our, you know, personal
self, like it always wants somesort of, it always wants some
sort of proof for everythingright, and even in our human
reality.
You know, a lot of us swear byscience like it's the new, it's

(09:20):
the new God, and a lot of this Ithink can be a bit
destabilizing if someone'swanting an exact proof or
written proof, because it justdoesn't operate in the level of
mind.

(09:40):
We're speaking about somethingthat is non-conceptual and is
just here, it's alive and it's,it's always here, and we all
know that and I'm sure a lotwatching and yourself that you
know the reality we're speakingabout is it's purely here and

(10:01):
it's um, there's a quality thatyou can't really.
You can speak about it, but youcan't exactly.
Um, like, hit the nail on thehead and back to what you.
What you asked is like, how didI stay grounded?
Was, yeah, really, um, lookingafter myself, even from a
younger age, was, like you know,by no means am I, definitely

(10:28):
like, by no means am I like, oh,you know, like trying to be
some sort of Puritan orsomething or saying, oh, you
have to do everything reallyclean.
You know, that's definitelythat's not really the way.
But, you know, I looked aftermyself, I kept meditating for
years and I, you know, therewere certain things that I felt

(10:49):
really disrupted my system andmy like evolution, one being and
I actually spoke about thisrecently like alcohol, like I
stopped that some years ago.
And again, like there's manylike people that are awake to
reality that drink, and itdoesn't make a difference, but
that here, like, helped me a lotand um, just a lot of like

(11:14):
self-compassion and love as well.
Like, when it does get hard, youknow it's knowing that you're
always, you're never stuck,you're always returning to
yourself here, and there will behard moments, there will be
moments where you feel like yourwhole world is getting torn
apart, and that's that'shappened here.

(11:37):
And um, it's knowing thatactually, like, in those moments
where it's really difficult,there's, there's gold on the
other side, right, and it'ssomething I've inquired into a
lot, this whole thing of likethe you know, the dark night of
the soul and the, the shadow andeverything like that and like,

(12:01):
really like, yeah, what, what isthat?
And I believe it is justsomething in humanity that
exists within the individual,but it exists within the
awareness, within the nature ofyou, just like you know, the
happy, great, really joyfulthings exist within you.

(12:23):
They're just, it's just part ofthe play and, um, the waking up
out of that is is seeing thatit is some sort of like creation
and arising and that nothing isfixed and it's just a wave
that's coming.
And I guess the more someone,the more you can come back to
that place of like not gettingso lost in what's what's

(12:45):
appearing.
Then you're able to find that,that like peace that never
leaves you.
It's just always kind of therein your experience and it's what
we are all right now and youknow we just feel that we don't
have to try and understand it,even through what I'm saying.
It's just something that isfelt.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
It's interesting because when you speak of this
awareness, when you speak of theinexpressible, those that get
it, they can actually feel whatyou're saying right now.
Like you know, I couldexperience exactly what you're
experiencing, because it isbeyond location and beyond time

(13:33):
and space and and all that, andso, uh, that's important.
What I really liked about whatyou said and which I felt was
really, it's important,sometimes overlooked it's
actually about looking after thehuman body, uh, whether pre or
post awakening, because justbecause you know we are not the

(13:55):
body and mind doesn't mean thatwe just can do whatever we want
and indulge and uh, or evenabstain, uh, if you're doing it,
for you know, as you mentioned,puritan reasons like that would
be, uh, that would be going onthe other side.
Uh and um, and I can somewhat,um, relate to the whole.

(14:17):
You know, not drinking alcoholcan be beneficial.
Um, right now I'm going throughthis thing of not eating any
sugar.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Um, not, it's very difficult as that's like a drug
in itself, um, so, um, but it'sjust watching the body and yes,
and I still have yeah, I stillhave moments with sugar as well,
where you know my, my partner,will bring home like brownies
and then it'll be every secondday eating a brownie or or

(14:46):
something like that, and it'salso that's part of the joy and
fun is like letting yourself andyou're not just like if it
feels like you know, of course,if it feels like there's just a
desire there, you want to have abrownie or an ice cream, then
have it and explore those kindof feelings of like you know,

(15:07):
holding back and then enjoying.
And yeah, yes, you're off,though sorry no, no, no, no,
that's absolutely fine.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Um, and I think, uh, and yet just remaining in
awareness when those desirescome up, when that feeling of
wanting, which has been quiteregular, like I just want to eat
something sweet and I think ofdifferent ways of how to do it,
or I just scroll on TikTok andlook at desserts, and you know

(15:39):
but I'm observing my mind doingall this and it's amazing that,
while being on this path, that Ican remain in awareness and let
the mind go wild and yet stillhave like absolute control, and
it's just.
It is a paradox in itself and Ithink that's only come about for

(16:01):
me more in more recent timeswhen I'm able to let the mind go
places but also kind of remaingrounded in in awareness.
Uh, you mentioned that you dida bit of a bhakti yoga and you
know what, whenever I hearsomeone's done bhakti yoga, I
get really interested, because Idon't hear a lot of um, as you

(16:23):
know, non-dual speakers actuallygo into bhakti.
I think bhakti is veryimportant, especially if you're
preparing or even afterawakening too.
Tell me a bit more about yourbhakti yoga and what that looked
like.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, well, it was with a group here in Sydney
called the Bhakti House and itwas just such a warm and vibrant
community to get involved in.
And it's actually funny.
I remember at one stage tellingmy mum that I was going there

(17:05):
and she was like because somepeople from those older
generations might have, I think,like it was shown on tv years
ago, like 20, 30 years ago, in acertain way, like, oh, these
people like walking down thestreet and like chanting all
these stuff, and she's like, ohyeah, like isn't that the hari
krishnas or or something?

(17:26):
And like like thinking I'velike joined some cult or
something.
And, um, I was like, no, I justlike, I just like going.
But it was like such a warmcommunity and like.
So what I found so profound whena kirtan is being done, because

(17:46):
it's like a, I felt it openedup so much, because it's like a
singing meditation, you know,with the instruments and the
music, and there is somethingbecause it's so devotional and
it has like this meditativequality.
There's something that justlike opens so much.
When you do that, you just feelso much, like so much energy

(18:12):
and love.
And I, you know, read theBhagavad Gita and I was like,
yeah, you know, I'm notsurprised why this like has the
effect that it does, and yeah, Ilearned so much from that and I
really all of those paths youknow there's, there's so many

(18:33):
that I really I really admireand you know think are really
special and I always wanted tocome back to that in myself,
like I kind of knew, you know,and at least for now, like I I'm
not just going with onespecific, like I guess I'm
devoted to this path, which isreally life, like it's just

(18:55):
being devoted to, to life.
Um, but you know, I I hadfriends, even through buddhism,
that were, like you know, sodevoted with that and I always
admired it so much because it'ssuch a surrender to do that and
I think it's so beautiful andthere doesn't need to be this

(19:16):
tension maybe in these worlds oflike, oh, this is the right
thing, this is wrong, and we allknow that they're all just
speaking about this timelesstruth.
Um, and you know, one pathmight take someone further up
the mountain than another, andthat's how it is yeah, um, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
However, you know, I agree that Whatever takes
someone to that peak of themountain, so be it.
As long as you don't gethalfway up the mountain and
think you've reached the peak,all is good.
Yeah, and I actually, in morerecent times, I felt like a real
affinity towards bhakti,towards devotion, like there is

(20:02):
a thing about I've been readingsome works of shri ramakrishna,
paramahansa and um, you know,and he was swami vivekananda's
guru, so he would talk aboutwanting to be with the divine
mother or with god, and wouldtalk about connecting with god,
merging with god.
And I've recently, as much as Ilove the kind of the logical

(20:25):
and rationality of non-duality,but when you add bhakti to it,
the devotional aspect, theoneness that you feel with the
supreme and the so-calledlimited self that's in this body
really there isn't any but thatoneness when that merging
happens there is a profoundsense of peace, calmness,

(20:51):
boundlessness that I don't thinkjust comes with the purely
rational non-duality.
Sometimes I feel that can bemissing, that boundlessness and
the inner peace that can comefrom being devoted to something
higher, even though, yes, at theend, you know, there's no such

(21:14):
thing as higher or lower andthere's no such thing as limited
and limitless.
It's all one, uh that play thatyou do in bhakti, it's it, I
feel.
I feel like it gets rid of alot of the maybe the shadows, um
that people go through, like Inever had to do shadow work and
I wouldn't know what to do inthat um, but all I know is that

(21:37):
bhakti kind of helps with all ofthose um, those vices or
negativity or or that darkenergy that can possibly consume
uh, the mind um.
So yeah, I like I mean I thinkgiddin helps and chanting
mantras and all that yeah, andit can give some structure.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
It can give some structure around it and I, I
guess, like we're in a reallyinteresting time where it's like
there's there's so much on theinternet now like you can just
find anything, and you can findany teacher and really like find
what resonates for you and whatdoesn't, and it's so like

(22:19):
individual in that sense.
And I had this conversationwith a friend who, um, you know,
was part of this buddhist groupthat you know I, I was also
part of for a bit, and like Iguess, and like he maybe
struggled to understand likethat part of the internet.
Um, that is more like ourculture is a lot more

(22:43):
individualistic now, but but Idon't really see it in that way,
like it's taking away from thepath.
In fact, I think it's evenbetter for people because
there's just so much that'saccessible there and I really,
you know, I really feel and Ifeel this in what I share like
there's so much connection thereand space for people to just

(23:03):
like carve their own way and youknow, we can find a place where
we can all share really what'sworked for us and what hasn't.
Um, and that's like getting ridof dogma, I guess, is like all
sharing from the same space,like we all know that, and even
the younger generations thatgrow up now they, lots of them,

(23:27):
like they.
They won't really have to gothrough this like discovery
thing.
It's going to be like that theshift is really and I don't want
it to sound pretentious like,oh, the shift is happening, you
know when people like it really,it really is in in some sense.
And, um, you know around theworld like it is just growing,

(23:51):
this sense of like understandingmore about ourselves and why
we're here.
So these younger generationswill just grow up and they maybe
have to like go through thiswhole seeking journey as much.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
It'll be more about like play and kind of expression
of that beingness and thatawakened, enlightened place that
we're all in already yeah, forfor sure, um, yeah, if you think
about it, with artificialintelligence and chat, gpt, um,

(24:24):
I think I I am interested to seehow uh the spiritual
institutions are going to umcope with this.
When I say cope, cope isprobably a bad word, but like
more how they're going to dealwith this, because you will now
have, uh, I hope, um morerational if their seekers would

(24:49):
be more rational and more, uhattuned to the language.
Um.
But the only thing that's goingto be missing is the experience
, and that's where I think acommunity comes in, and the
community can give a real goodexperience, as you mentioned, of
sharing ideas, sharingexperiences, sharing just the

(25:10):
energy.
Sometimes it's just as simpleas that.
I think, yes, in on theinternet, if it's, and I think
it is being done by a few.
I think a few of my friendshave been able to set up some
real good spiritual communities.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
I think one of them's on schoolcom, sunny, um, he's
got a good community there, um Ithink I yeah I saw that because
I I I tried a school thing fora bit and I just felt like it
was the wrong timing and it was.
It was good to start with.
But yeah, sometimes we need todo that.
You know, try different things.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
But yeah, I've ran it , bumped into his, yeah yes, yes
, um, and I think if we cancultivate those communities as
long as it's not around apersonality alone, that it's
actually around the teachings Ithink that can be really
beneficial, especially with therise of artificial intelligence,

(26:10):
because, yeah, you could askchat gpt about the nature of
awareness, but the only thing isit will never be able to give
you the experience of awareness.
It can tell you about what theexperience will feel like.
It'd be very data driven, butnot, um.
You won't be able to experienceit, and that's, I think that's
where the community has to beready for those type of that

(26:34):
type of audience as well, whichI think is going to be more um
prominent, actually than thannot, for the younger generation.
Yeah, what?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
what do you mean by like that type of audience?
Like what will they be readyfor?
What do you mean in?

Speaker 1 (26:51):
that I think, I think for the um, for going into the
experience of awareness andbeing grounded in, in that aware
, in in consciousness, and umbeing able to experience the
boundlessness of consciousness,the formless aspect, where they
can actually transcend the bodyand mind and be able to do the

(27:15):
work necessary to remain in thatstate.
Let me take it even a stepfurther.
I understand.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Instead of chat GP, chat GPT, like being a teacher
to someone, yeah, yeah, andthere's some people now even who
they say, well, could AI chatGPT, like develop, you know some
sort of with how fast it'sadvancing, like some sort of
like presence or consciousness,and maybe it can mimic it like

(27:48):
really, really well.
But you know, it's like whatwe're in now is like a natural
and even using that word naturallike what we're in now is like
the all we're in, we're in thequantum field and even techno,
like everything is being createdfrom that.

(28:08):
You know, this is like acreation from the spiritual
dimension and you know gaia, butthen we've created technology
and it's really just anextension, this technology, of
the gifts we already have withinus, which is that infinite, you
know all-knowing, like love andum power within us yes, um,

(28:33):
yeah, actually, the word thatyou just used, now love, um,
that is one thing I don't thinkartificial intelligence can ever
express or explain to you whatit feels like.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Um, love is something that is incredibly
individualistic in one sense, um, because until you experience
it, only then you can watch thatlove expand into realizing
actually, it's everywhere and ineverything, and it's present
even in the things that weprobably disagree with or do not

(29:07):
like at all or despise.
It's even present there, um, soI think, uh, and that's the
same thing with, I think, uh,spiritual enlightenment, or even
um, consciousness, um, I,there's a swami that I
interviewed him and I attendedhis retreat, swami server brian

(29:28):
and g you probably have seen himaround I saw, I saw your your
video with him.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I like watched a bit of it and I have seen him yeah
he didn't mention once that.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Um, apparently, sam altman, who is the I think he's
right now, he's the ceo of openai.
He was asked what's the onething that chat, gpt or
artificial intelligence willnever know, and he just said
artman equals brumman.
So, uh, in in, so to speak,that it will never get to know

(30:01):
consciousness in itself, that,yes, it will know itself as a
limited being, maybe, but you'llnever know.
Actually, that is actuallyeverything and that can only
come from, I think, human, thehuman life is the one.
So in indian spirituality theysay this human birth is so
special and so rare that this isthe only one where you can

(30:23):
actually get to know your truenature.
Um, I can only say that's truebecause I'm a human being right
now.
So, but, um, but, but theunderstanding that it's a rare
opportunity.
I don't think a lot of peoplereally understand that either in
today's world yeah, and what.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
What I'd like to see is like what you just said,
which is like you know this, uh,you know, in this, um, in this
teaching, you know it's like,yeah, human life is one of the
rarest, most precious things wehave is like really, it has
technology advances like also,which we, we know is happening,

(31:08):
like just our love for ourselfand you know the and life and
the mystical, and this worldlike just grows and grows and
grows.
So it's it's almost likerunning parallel to the increase
of tech, because we kind ofhave to, as a species, to really

(31:28):
evolve and go to the next levelin our multidimensional selves
and, you know, to not do whathas happened in the past, you
know, to damage the planet andall these other things.
And, yeah, really, I really cansee and believe there's like

(31:49):
something really amazing and andwonderful coming.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
So yeah, yeah, I think it's going to be up to the
likes of um content creatorsand um to make sure that they
create communities which makethe experience accessible, and
make it when I say accessible, Imean the actual experience

(32:14):
accessible.
I'm not saying that thereshouldn't be a paywall or
anything like that.
I'm not talking about that sideof things.
I'm talking more about that,when you're in a conversation
with someone that they can takeyou to that experience, they can
take you to the directrealization of what one's true
nature is.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
And even without words, like we can get to that
point where we just kind of,even without words, like we can
get to that point where we justwe just kind of we know, through
feeling and sharing our being,that we're in the same place and
that we're we're connected andyeah, it's so true, okay.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
So this is uh, I'm gonna take you here now um
silence.
It's got to be the greatestteaching ever.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I mean I don't think there's anything close to it
yeah, and that's what's funnyabout all all you know, even
sharing online.
Like you know, we use words andwe use language, you know,
every day and to you know,convey ideas.
But you're right, like silenceis so powerful and just teaches

(33:26):
so much.
And so there's part of me thatalmost feels like using words
and speaking online, like I justwant to sit there in silence.
But I also think there's wayswe can use language that really
can like create a, create aspace that actually goes beyond

(33:47):
the words or opens people tothat right.
That it's.
It's not just the words that'sbeing spoken, it's the place in
which they're arising from, andthat's what I, that's what I try
and do, that's that's I mean,that's what I feel.
Every, every video, it's likeit's got nothing to do with what
I say.
It's like how I'm feeling andjust really like it's just a

(34:13):
sharing with the other, with you, with the camera, with myself.
That is just from that placeand, you know, maybe that will
open someone to that.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, I can recall momentswhen I would ask my guru a
question, and sometimes it'sjust maybe like a few moments of
silence, um, but there was suchthat silence had such a
vibration.
I think no word could ever getyou to or no pointing could get

(34:59):
you to.
Uh, when, when, when it wasjust silence there, um, I just
it was like as if the wholeuniverse is teaching.
I could feel it.
I could sense it.
I could like I was taking itall in and that was just in, and

(35:20):
it didn't matter what words myguru was going to say next,
because that was um, and youknow some.
And also I think my guru was abit cheeky because he also
smiled a bit afterwards.
So it's kind of like you knewwhat, I knew what he was doing.
But that transmission thathappens in silence, even when
you use words, like youmentioned in your videos.

(35:41):
Like I can sense that when Iwatch your videos it is coming
from a place of silence.
It's not coming from oh, thisis the response I want from my
audience.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
It's not that, it's coming from a much deeper place
and um and I wish silence was umexploitable yeah, yeah, exactly
, and that that place is isfreedom, like even even when we
are speaking that, that silence,you know, beingness is always

(36:16):
there and I guess what you areand what lots of us are doing,
and even those just in theireveryday life, is we're
transmitting that.
Right, we all have that radiotuner that can tune into that,
into that space of beingness,like we can, you know, turn it

(36:36):
up, up or down and, um, yeah,that's that's really what we're
transmitting, uh, all the time,and it's it's sharing that place
of freedom.
And that's what I'm reallywanting others to do is like I
know we were saying before about, like you know, how people, how

(37:03):
people share, but it's likewhat I'm, what I'm, what I'm
wanting is like others to be inthat place as well and so, like
they can do their work, thecreative work, or share from
that place.
And it's quite a there's quitelike, it's quite a dance, and
something I'm dancing with islike you know, how free can I be
in this video?
How free can I be in thesharing?
How creative can I be, uh, whenin this kind of like matrix

(37:26):
construct, you know, we're alittle bit like um, it's a
little bit limited in some wayin terms of like.
You know, sometimes when someoneexpresses so much or really
like is so bright or there's somuch play like it can like.
Maybe others might think, oh,something's off here, but then

(37:47):
you know, you're really enteringthat space of freedom, really
entering that space of offreedom.
So I think we're going to learnmore about play a lot, of, a
lot of our this space and ourculture where we can just like
break the mold a little bit.
And, yeah, for me it's abalance between, like at times I
felt like, you know, there isthat responsibility because I am

(38:08):
sharing with people, um, youknow, and it does have an effect
, and there has been questioningquite a bit of, oh, you know,
should I have said that or allof this stuff, and I think
that's so normal, but also notgetting too tight, like letting
yourself be free, you know, yeahfree.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Um, you know, yeah, I agree with that.
No way, because, um, I've, attimes, when it's come to like my
own videos, sometimes I can, Ifeel like I stop myself from
expressing the the fullness ofthe truth because I'm like, well
, I don't know if my audience isready to hear this, and I still
know that people are on thejourney and they're not going to
understand when I talk aboutthe nature of consciousness in

(39:00):
its purest and most, uh,wonderful, uh way.
They just will.
You know, they, they're stillin the head, so to speak, and
I've got to kind of address that.
But then, you know, what yousaid is also true.
Like, sometimes I feel like youknow what we'll see.
If it, if people get it, theyget it, if they don't, they

(39:24):
don't, that's not going tomatter to me.
Um, and I think, yes, just um,and I think, yes, just being
able to play with the fullnessof this consciousness, this
awareness, is possibly aninteresting way for content
creation.
I think, so to speak.

(39:46):
And, yeah, I think you do haveto be playful with it, because I
think it can become really dryas well, so if you're, really
serious you like like sometimesyou're going.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, I, I like, I like to have fun as well, like
we all do, and I mean to me,like I, I just don't think it
would be worth it.
And I love, I love having funand, you know, enjoying myself
and you, we all have differentstyles, but I think, yeah, it's
like, I guess it feels good,like we want to wake up and have

(40:19):
fun, we want to have somethingto like, look forward to Right
and to me, this path,non-duality, spirituality, it's,
it's exciting and I love it andI, I really do feel like it's
something that's fun and we canlearn to have more fun with um.
And then, you know, some peoplemight look at some I know this

(40:41):
isn't the case, it's back towhat we were saying like it
could just be something I think,but, um, you know, some people
could look at some sharings oror or a certain style of um
sharing something and think like, oh, you know this is too far,
or this is um, you know this iswrong or incorrect, but like,
maybe that person just needs toto see that at the time and just

(41:04):
, that's not the right likething they're meant to tune in
with Um, yeah, yeah, no,absolutely.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Um, and and you know, I also truly believe that when
we share the truth, um, youcannot guarantee how the
audience is going to take thatand what they're going to get
from it, and it also depends ontheir mindset, what they've gone
through the day, god knows whatthey've experienced, um, and

(41:37):
there's so much uh, factors thatgo in into how somebody will
receive your message and yoursharing and um, but all we can
do is be mindful of that, butstill share and and and you know
, just, I guess just be mindfulof it and can't do anything else
really you know what I thinkwill be possible, which I can't

(42:00):
wait for, like with this whole.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Some people might, fair enough, think like, oh, you
know, that's like we don't wantthat.
But with vr kind of progressingand that whole world, like you
know, 20 years from now you canhave like some headset on it,
like scans your full face, likefull photo, realistic, and you
can all feel like you're likesitting in a space, you know,

(42:24):
like this, like beautiful bigspace together, but you're like
in different parts of the worldand you can like have some sort
of like immersive sharing, likeI think that's that's the
benefit to these kind of thingsis like that will all be
possible and yeah, I'm likethat'd be like a big a big

(42:45):
satsang and it's like it's like

Speaker 1 (42:48):
mystical jungle, and yeah yeah, yeah, I mean, and
it's possible.
I mean I don't think, um, Idon't think that's far away, to
be fair, I think that's pretty,pretty close.
I think you could be looking atnext five to ten years when
people will um, will have thatum, and what'd be interesting in

(43:14):
that in that is, do we addanother layer of existence when
it comes to VR?
You already have this world,then on top of that, you got
this VR world.
Then do, does, when do?
Are we able to maintain, tomaintain, uh, grounded in

(43:35):
awareness during that time?
Because that would be aninteresting thing to also see
whether we create a new vr kindof um character, uh, so to speak
, because that can happen withpeople if they're not awakened.
It's very easy to create a newpersona within the persona you

(43:55):
already have yeah, interstellar,I was getting inception there.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, on a deeper level, you know, it's like on a
sorry, on a smaller scale, likethat's already it's happening in
some way online, right, likepeople online social media and
like that's, that's okay.
That's just how naturally theego works, as it wants to be
seen a certain way, and I'vealways tried to remain like true

(44:21):
to who I am and what I'msharing and, you know, not
putting on anything and, um, itmight resonate with some and
others it doesn't, and I guess Ishare from that place and um,
yeah, so it's like that'shappening on a small scale and,
you're right, like it could bein those worlds.

(44:41):
Yeah, people try, people umkind of create another version
of themselves, but that initself will be like an awakening
because, like, we're gettingthen into that creative space
where we realize like, oh,things are not really fixed,
like what we immerse ourselvesin, the identity is really, it's

(45:03):
really fluid and um, like thecreative, like place we can get
to, where we feel that peace is.
Like noticing awareness is thepower behind that right, and the
more we can be in awareness,the more we can create, the more
, the less we take um thingsabout ourselves seriously and uh

(45:27):
, we could just enjoy.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Um, yeah, yeah no, I totally agree.
I think, uh, yes, and socialmedia does create, um, on a
smaller scale, a different senseof self and um, and, and I find
it quite interesting, because,no matter if you have a social

(45:50):
media, actually that's the onething that I felt like with
spirituality since I got seriousabout it that you can't be, you
can't be of two differentcharacters, like there's not a
spiritual me and then a work me,a family me, whatever me, a

(46:12):
family me, uh, uh, whatever me.
Like they can't be two or three.
You can't have two, threeavatars in your mind.
Uh, you can if you're truly onthe spiritual path.
I think the safest way is justto be yourself and just be one,
whether, but if the workplacedoesn't accept you, it's never
going to accept you.
Whether, but if the workplacedoesn't accept you, it's never

(46:33):
going to accept you.
Then you know, don't take it soseriously.
If your family doesn't take youseriously after that, well,
what can we say?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
You know, like you.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
you've got to be authentic on this journey, I
feel.
And I think if we're not honest, if we're not authentic, being
spiritual and getting yourselfto remain in awareness is a
difficult task, because one willalways be in the ego game.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah, and it'd be masquerading as awareness in a
weird way and it's like it'swhen, when you, when that person
on that path like is uh honestwith themselves, like, and then
they're speaking from that place, that you can, you can feel it

(47:22):
Right and um, I think, like youknow, we all are in that place,
but the more we can like behonest with ourselves and what
we value and yeah, not not lyingto ourselves, like reality does
have a truth to it and itspeaks from that place.
And I think this is how we getfree now, especially when we're

(47:47):
entering a world where thebiggest thing that people will
struggle with is likedeciphering what is what's true
and what's not.
You know, you now have allthese um, it's like a bit of a
different topic, but you haveall these like deep fake you
know ai videos and you see someof them.
And then there's like all theseolder people like oh, my god,

(48:10):
like what's what's happened.
And then there's people justlike, no, that's, that's ai and
it's.
It's a similar thing withourself is like when we can just
be grounded in ourself, behonest with what's happening in
our experience, then you know wejust get more free.
And I think when we get morefree and this has been part of

(48:31):
the journey here and it is with,with everyone.
You know, when we can get morefree and honest with ourself,
like these layers fall away andwe just lose that fear.
We lose that fear more, westart opening to life more.
And you're right what you saidbefore, that I don't believe

(48:52):
there are no set characters.
You know that would be some.
That's, I guess, an idea wehave, that there's some fixed
character, like it's just life,it's just awareness expressing
itself in that way, right, andjust learning about itself.
It's just that mirror, like theworld is the mirror and it's

(49:16):
just the self, the largest selflearning about itself and it's
it's fun and it's a joy.
And even when it feels seriousor darker or heavy, you know,
like usually if someone is, ifthat's part of their journey,
there's something there for themto see that that's not actually

(49:40):
the reality of what's here,right, like it's like breaking
out of that kind of like storyor identification.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
So my question here would be um, have you um or have
you done anything specific, uh,where you've maintained your
authentic self, like youmentioned you?
You know you got your parents,you got siblings, you got a
partner.
Have you, um, how have you madesure that you remain as an

(50:12):
authentic person, because alsothey can be um a spiritual uh
like, um, some people can put ona spiritual personality uh, so
to speak.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
So have you made sure ?

Speaker 1 (50:25):
that you've maintained being you, uh, the,
the personality that you've beenblessed with, rather than
adorning the spiritual attire,so to speak yeah, that's, that's
a really good question and Ithink it's like an important one
for, like, all of us to ask.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
And I have a lot, you know, because I think like, the
more you share, the more openlyyou express, like the, at least
here, the more I've actuallylike kind of checked in with
myself like am I, like, whatplace is this coming from?
And I think that's very normal,like on a human level, and it's
just being honest and evenasking those around me close to

(51:06):
me like to, hey, like you know,pull me up, pull me up if I'm,
if I'm saying anything, um, youknow that is me up, pull me up
If I'm, if I'm saying anything,um, you know that is a bit off,
or I'm, I'm not being true tomyself, I'm not like saying that
all the time, but I've likementioned that before and I just
trust that with those around me.
I guess I've had thatsupportive environment growing

(51:29):
up and I love being honest aboutmy human reality and experience
as well.
Um, you know, even with mypartner that's what I've like
learned with her.
A lot is, like you know, reallylike being honest with your
human experience and like what'sarising.

(51:49):
And you know, yes, there's oneside to this path, which is,
like, you know, you discoverawareness, but like you've still
got your human life here andit's just, yeah, like I guess
it's always just coming back tothat place of like why am I
doing this?
And like my intention, and like, even being younger and you

(52:14):
know, going and studying, likeum, filmmaking and acting for a
year, and like I did lots ofcreative work, like artwork,
then it's like always been tolike, you know, have some effect
or to create something that'sactually going to, uh, inspire
others or yeah, and it's formyself as well.

(52:35):
So I think, like having thatcore, like that core foundation
and intention, like it's alwaysthe bedrock.
And you know, I like I've said,like I've had a couple of
moments where I have felt quiteout there and you know like it
has been difficult at times, butthat's so normal as well and

(52:59):
it's important that I say that.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
You know so others don't think like, oh, it's just
me going through some crazything, you know so I'm really
glad that you've mentioned whatyou have and I think it's yeah,
it's so true, like one, you know, making sure, uh, I do believe
that, um, you know your parentsor your family, your friends,

(53:23):
they, they can tell you when you, when they feel like ego is
coming up or uh, they can, uh,I've had comments like oh, uh,
this is not what you said on thepodcast before, um, or this is
not what you say in your podcast.
You're acting a bit different,um and so that's when you kind

(53:46):
of think, okay, um, you can theninquire is my, was my behavior
actually different?
Was it just perceiveddifferently?
And we can go through thatinquiry.
Or if actually being a fatherhas been the number one, I would
say the teaching, as well as myson being the teacher, because

(54:11):
I think they say the guru isalways a mirror and you know
whenever I'll be like you know,three o'clock in the morning,
he's woken up for probably thefifth time and you're super
annoyed, uh, you want to go backto sleep, you're cranky, and
then you kind of realize, well,if you get angry one, he's not

(54:33):
going to understand that, he'snot going to understand why
you're angry, he doesn'tunderstand that you, you haven't
slept um.
But if you go and then noticewhen I'm angry he gets, uh, he
gets more annoyed and cries more.
But when I'm calm he settlesand I'm like, oh, you know, it's

(54:53):
such an easy thing and I think.
So fatherhood, um, I'm notsaying I'm a pro now that I'm
always calm, but like um, buthe's been a great teacher and I
think, um, our humanness canactually teach us more about our
connection of oneness with eachother than than, say, sometimes
, just meditating alone or doingself-inquiry, so to speak.

(55:18):
Um, so I'm glad that you, you,you have those parameters where
that's a good sign.
Um, I think we should alwayshave that like, yeah, just call
me out if I'm being a prick, youknow or something like that.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah and um, yeah, it's so true like our life
experience can really just teachus so much, and I've met people
on this path and like I've metsomeone before I'm thinking
about specifically who, like youknow, they haven't really tried
, they haven't really tried tofollow spiritual path, it's just

(55:54):
a lot of people actually.
They naturally open to thiskind of like more life, you know
this, more fulfilling, like alive presence, through not even
following any of this stuff,just through life experience,
just through learning.
And yeah, thanks for sharingthat with your son.

(56:16):
That was really like beautifulto hear and that's something I'm
looking forward to.
If that's meant to happen andI've, I've heard that that it
can be, it can be a big teacher,you know, and um, like how we,
you know, I imagine and I don'tknow as well because it's not
what I'm experiencing, but Iimagine, and especially with old

(56:39):
generations, you know, when youwere younger, if it's like you
get angry, um, like, it's like,or there's, you know, the kid is
upset and then you get angry,it's like their being doesn't
know, and so it's part of likethe practice to like, I imagine,
just letting it be like lettingthe full human experience uh
take place, and then we allowthat in ourselves as well and

(57:01):
that's the same with all ofthese life experiences is like
just radical exceptions in a way.
Um, you know, like when thingsare challenging with with
someone in our personal life orour experience, or there's like
difficult emotions, it's justlike, it's like allowing, and

(57:22):
it's usually like our mind a lotof the time.
And I still have it here whereI still realize things uh, from
the past it's not often, butthings that just there's like oh
little energetic layers therewhere, like the mind kind of
like creates this belief systemor this story out of it, like oh
, you said this back then.

(57:44):
Or like this, this happened,and like that was not good, and
like we all play these, we allplay these stories, and it's
like that there's not what, themore you awaken to now to
reality, it's like no, there'sactually no substance to this
and there's nothing to be,there's nothing to be afraid of,
like yeah, we're free now.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Yes, yeah no, what you said is actually really
beautiful, that when you are um,in the now, when you you're
radically, uh, you know,accepting of the moment, uh, you
also one thing that's been veryconscious with me has been like
I don't want to pass on anygenerational trauma to my kid,

(58:29):
so, uh, to my son or to anyoneuh.
So being conscious of that itmeant, it does mean you're
coming to the present moment andforgiving everything that has
happened in the past and notbringing it forward, not
carrying it, saying that baggagego and um, and you can only do

(58:49):
that, like you said, whenthere's radical acceptance and,
I guess, radical forgiveness ofthe person, whether they
knowingly, consciously orunconsciously did things or said
things, and just moving forwardand making sure that one
doesn't repeat the same mistakes, which you know we are

(59:10):
creatures of habit.
You know, um, we are creaturesof habit and I think, the more
we are in awareness, we stayaway from building upon those
habits and allowing them toexpress themselves in in what
would be unconscious I was goingto say negative, but
unconscious would be better um,or creating more ignorance, as

(59:33):
you mentioned.
Um, like we call them, uh, kindof vasanas in in sanskrit, is,
when you keep, they start off assamskaras, so it's a one-off
event, but then and then it getsbuilt up into a vasana and and
yeah, there's a lot of vasanas.
You got it, you know.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
That's the one thing that so is that sorry if I if I
cut it, is it, is it?
Savasana, that is so is is that?
Is that a collection ofsamskaras that is built so?

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
yes.
So you could say the snowballeffect is the vasana.
So it starts off as a littlesnowball.
It's a one-off uh thing.
That's happened that createssome skala, like a little
imprint, and then suddenly, um,that imprint gets a lot deeper
when it's repeated a bit more um, and it then becomes, uh,

(01:00:28):
either characteristic either acharacteristic we have or a
habit we have, or certainreactions that we tend to always
do that becomes a.
That that's what would betermed as a, as a vasana.
And what I find a lot, which Icould say, if there is a

(01:00:49):
critique I have of the modernnon-dual circles, is this that,
um, the work on, like ourvasanas and our conditioning
isn't done before we get toawareness, like in advaita
vidanta, in a traditional way.
You have to kind of be you, um,you could say there's a bit of
gatekeeping in a weird way, butit's like you've got to be ready

(01:01:13):
for this If we're going to showyou the fullness of your true
nature.
We've got to make sure thatyour mind is ready for this,
we've got to make sure that yourbody is prepared for this, and
so I feel sometimes, if modernnon-duality doesn't deal with it
beforehand, it shoulddefinitely deal with it

(01:01:35):
afterwards.
But the problem that I findthat happens afterwards do you
mean sorry, do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
do you mean, do you mean, if the, the samskaras and
sadhasanas are dealt with likebefore the realization, like
that, yes, that's better, betteroutcome, yes, yes, yeah it's
more stabilized.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Um, one is more stabilized, uh, when those are
dealt with beforehand.
And I guess, like for me it'salways been second nature
because, um, you know, growingup in in an indian household and
indian spirituality is kind ofspoken about a lot.
Uh, I went to a satsang everyweek still do, I guess those

(01:02:16):
things keep me grounded, butthose dealt with those vasanas
and also allows certainsamskaras to not grow as a
result.
But if I didn't have that andsay I watched, let me think of a
really like, say, rupert spireyis a really potent teacher, so

(01:02:36):
say I listened to him once and II can grasp what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
But if I haven't dealt with my vasanas, they're
gonna still be there regardlessif I'm in awareness and awakened
exactly, and that's like why wecould, we could wake up to like
the nature of who we are and wecould see all of that, but then
our human, like reality isstill here.

(01:03:02):
So I, I really think, I reallybelieve, like the mastery for me
is like the blending of of both, and I actually feel like the
more I've gone into um presenceand the transcendence, the more
I've really come to understandand appreciate and take
seriously my human life andreality.

(01:03:24):
And, um, you know, a lot ofpeople say this who maybe go to
like a monastery or something.
You know you hear a lot thatlike they go, they spend a
certain amount of time there andthen they, they realize it's
not what they actually, uh, wantto do and maybe for some that's
that's the path they, they takeand that's fine, but it might a

(01:03:47):
lot might realize like, oh,that that's not the answer.
In this case it's to, like youknow, be in the world and, like
you know, experience the gift oflife, like through that energy,
through that presence, um, andyeah, yeah, it's important that

(01:04:07):
like it's not bypassed the humanreality, but like to to also
not go so far into it, like tocome back to who you are and and
really see, and this has been ahuge, huge, uh, like teaching
to myself is like just seeingthe reality behind the you know

(01:04:30):
the narratives, or the mentalnarratives, and that like wow,
they really do these.
You know the samskaras, theyreally do carry like a lot of
heaviness in them and it doestake.
It takes like a certain level,it takes a certain amount of
presence right to see those andthen to just to not feed them,

(01:04:54):
to not feed them anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Yes, yes, no, um, and thank you for being really
transparent.
And um, and yeah, so you know.
And and, to be fair, uh, what'sreally interesting is that, uh,
they also say that certainvasanas will go into like this
pralaya state, like this dormantstate, that, just so you can

(01:05:21):
still maintain the humanexperience, they will be there,
dormant, and even though one canbe enlightened one One can be
enlightened so, for example, say, the Varsana for a dessert will
always be there within me, butI don't have to act upon it.

(01:05:43):
How you can get so wrapped inthe experience of one's true
nature that one discards thebody.
And so, to avoid that, I thinkwhat they say is that there's

(01:06:05):
these vasanas that are stillmaintained, just so the
enlightened being can actuallyum, function and still share
this message of truth andreality to, to people yeah, and
and stay in the human reality.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Because it's like if, if one which we all are going
back to, if one awakens like sofully, a hundred percent, to
love and aliveness, right, andthere's no, like you were saying
nothing, keeping them here,like I'm, every being, every
individual expression in thishuman reality, yes, has those um

(01:06:46):
, whether they're even smalllittle savasanas or samskaras,
and that's what keeps us here.
But, like you know, awakening sofully to reality and to
aliveness and it might soundscary for some, but it's really
not, because it's like you'rejust awakening to love and
reality it's really like what wesee, see as, uh, death in some

(01:07:11):
way, and, like you know, I guessit's like we're kind of like
it's a weird paradox where we'relike here to experience the
human life and it's like abeautiful, beautiful thing even
to have those, um, you know,struggles, um, whatever,

(01:07:31):
whatever they are, um and so,but you know, there's nothing to
fear at the end of the day.
Like I think there's so manyparadoxes in this where, like
some people can awaken intopresence and love and reality
and it's like whoa, and even Ifeel like that at times, like
there's just so much aliveness,like so much, that I actually

(01:07:52):
feel that it's almost like, youknow, that the mind and this
doesn't happen, but it'sprobably possible, you know, the
mind can say like you know,this is too much.
And I think that's where, like,yeah, people, like there's
different stages maybe wherepeople might feel like, oh know,
like time to go back, you know,into just the human, the nitty

(01:08:14):
gritty a bit, and yeah, I thinkit's like around, all of this is
just that, learning to play andenjoy and there is nothing to
fear.
You know, it's amazing what'shappening, like so many beings
are like realizing this andawakening to this, and when we

(01:08:35):
do, like we, we suffer more, uh,we, sorry, we suffer less.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
We don't suffer more, yes, um yeah, that's a good one
, um, but yeah, I mean, yeah,the mind may suffer more before
it, before he realizes itdoesn't have to suffer at all.
And you know, maybe youmentioned death and it's

(01:09:09):
actually one of my favoritetopics to talk about, because we
live in a culture where wethink we're going to live
forever.
I know that we all know deathis around the corner, but at the
same time, it's like weaccumulate so much where we
think we're going to be here foreternity.
And death is that wonderfulreminder that you know this is

(01:09:34):
really temporary.
It puts you know when you knowthere's a limited time.
I know, I find, I found thatwhen, uh, like on the spiritual
journey, it's more exhilaratingknowing that I only have a
couple more years maybe left, ordecades more.
But the thing is, I want tospend the rest of my life being

(01:09:59):
grounded in awareness, if youknow what I mean, like that's
the, that's the best way for meto live, that's the, that that
is.
Uh.
It may sound really ideal, butdeath is my kind of reminder
that, uh, you know, if tomorrowdoesn't come, at least you can
be in awareness today and youcan be in the fullness of your

(01:10:23):
true nature today and live apretty good human life and be a
decent human being.
Um, so I think sometimes ourculture doesn't talk about death
enough.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
There's a there's a fear around it, you know yeah,
and there's a lot in the westthat's especially hidden around
death.
And it's like you know, let's,let's cover, let up.
And you know we don't want toknow about it, we don't want to
hear about it, but it's the mostnatural thing ever and even
take away that word, becausethat word has a lot of weight to

(01:10:57):
it it's really just likealiveness and you're so right,
it's like it's bringing you knowthat the gift is like to live
this human life like with thataliveness, and to like stay here
and to do what you want to do,like we're entering a world now

(01:11:17):
where, yes, on one hand, there'sa lot happening that isn't
pretty and isn't nice, but we'reentering a world where there
will be so much abundance, wherethere will be a lot of really
beautiful things, and it likeyou know to just do what you
love doing, like go snowboarding, if that's what you love.
You know go share, you knowamazing art, and I know it all

(01:11:39):
sounds like quite, you know,like like a utopia, but it's
definitely like it's quite apossible and probable timeline
that we're opening to here.
And, um, yeah, it's like kindof like the process and this
kind of unfoldment, like it'shappening for all of us, even if
someone doesn't notice it, andit's completely natural and you

(01:12:04):
know, it's um.
Yeah, I guess we can't doanything about it.
So yeah, um, yeah yeah, and it'sthe gift of like, just like you
were saying, yeah, like justbeing a good human being, or
like just doing, um, doing goodfor others and um yeah yeah,

(01:12:26):
yeah, I mean um.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Yeah, it's interesting because I remember
so, my brother, he, my olderbrother, he, he passed away in
2013, so that'd be 12 years ago.
He didn't, it didn't feel like12 years, but I remember saying
to him like because he knew hewas gonna die, because he had a
heart condition, um, and I askedhim a number of times um, are

(01:12:55):
you scared of death?
And he was like no, because I'mjust coming, going here, I'm
not going anywhere.
And then at the time I didn'treally fully understand what he
was talking about.
But now I get it like, actually, you can't go anywhere.
Yeah, the human body's gonnabreak and that's gonna dissolve
away and that will enter backinto the earth and, um, the mind

(01:13:19):
will diminish.
But one's true nature doesremain and and that's so true my
consciousness will always behere.
It cannot go anywhere.
When I say mine, there's onlythe one consciousness.
And so when my brother saidthat 12 years ago, I probably

(01:13:42):
didn't appreciate it as much asI do today, where I'm like he
he's you know, he was spittingbars just before he's gonna die
and um, and I truly value thattoday because I think, yeah,
that's true, I'm, I'm not reallygoing anywhere.
No one really goes anywhere, um, but at the same time, that

(01:14:04):
doesn't mean that you don't missthe person.
I think a lot of people thinkyou bypass grief now.
You still go through grief, butyou also understand, um, that
that is the natural part ofbeing in, uh, in this world, uh,
this human life, uh.
The fact it has an expiry dateis what's beautiful about it, um

(01:14:24):
, rather than what's morbidabout it, so to speak yeah, wow,
thanks for sharing that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
I really felt that when you shared that, like, I
could feel that like love andpower coming through, just even
in sharing that.
So, thanks, and I, I really Ifeel that as well when you share
that, that, yeah, we're notgoing anywhere.
And it's only beauty, it's onlylove, it's only what we really

(01:14:55):
are, that we're actually openingto.
And I know for a fact that whenthis body is no longer here,
I'll be dancing with all ofthose that are that are close to
me, with, with you, and youknow it's like we're just you
know we're opening to somethingreally like epic and true and

(01:15:17):
magical, but like for now, it'slike you were saying, like it's,
it's, it's hard to put thatinto words in human experience,
so it's like just you know, uh,be in human experience.
So it's like just you know, uh,be grateful for, for each day,
and you know, um, bring thatknowingness of our nature
through through the humanexperience.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I mean, like, um, I think Idealt with my brother's death
really well.
Um, the one death which I foundvery challenging was when my
guru passed away.
He died in an accident and thatwas a shock and I was very,
very close to him.
And when you have a teacherthat you really resonated with,

(01:16:00):
which was like a friendshiplosing, that was like a big
challenge.
But you know, what's reallyweird was sharing this with like
some friends.
Like sometimes I feel like inthe um, in the middle of the day
, I'll just think of him and um,and I just feel like there's an

(01:16:20):
energy next to me or I feellike someone's embracing me, and
I said before I would neverthink that these things can
happen.
But you know, energy doesn'tdie and so that presence, that
individual presence, will neverdie either.
That's always going to be here.
Yeah, it's not going to be inthe physical, um, five elemental
form, but it's there in energyand uh, um, you know, and I

(01:16:47):
think at the time, I thinkthat's the one death where I
felt like, where I was soclosely getting counselling
because I felt I needed it, butsomehow, I don't know, I was
able to come out of that.
But it was because for me itwas like, how could my hero go,

(01:17:13):
like, this is a person who Ithought was invincible and he's
gone.
But that in itself was thebiggest lesson, that if he can
go, then anyone can go.
And he always said that.
You know, I think in fact hesaid this when he was in
australia on the tour which Ithink he was in perth.
He said something like um, youknow, I could die tomorrow, I

(01:17:38):
could die in the next second.
I don't know when I could die,nobody knows.
And he mentioned this andeveryone was like, why did he
say this?
This is, it's like anoff-the-cuff remark that he said
and it's like, why did hementioned this?
And everyone was like, why didhe say this?
This is, it's like an off thecuff remark that he said and
it's like, why did he mentionthis?
But again, it's those, thesetiny lessons that we have.
But the biggest lesson from thathas been that, and the more

(01:18:01):
I've studied non-duality, thatthe your ishtef, like in bhakti,
your the one that you worship,that will always be around you.
Uh, that can never go, andwhether you call that god or
your guru, or um krishna or thebuddha, whatever you want to
call it.
Um, that will always be uh with.

(01:18:24):
That's something that you canalways connect to, and it's
taken me.
My guru died in 2016, so it'staken me, I would say, a good
four or five years to get tothis place, but it's brought a
lot of peace now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Yeah peace now, um, and yeah, yeah, and I'm sure
what you, what you recognizelike, yeah, in your, in your
guru, in your brother, right,like it's something that's also
like it's them but it's not themand I'm sure, like you know,
you see that in in others andyes in everything and you know

(01:19:04):
these um, you know these, theseprophets and mystics and um,
these people in history, likethey were just symbols within of
the divine and of consciousness, just like we are, um that were
able to merge with that and um,yeah so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
So, um, I would like to ask do you have particular
people that you find, uh, arerole models?
I know that you know everyoneis a guru and everyone is a
teacher in a way, but is thereany people that you specifically
felt a real close affinity tospiritually, or has your growth
been more like a an organic one,through your own self and your

(01:19:52):
own inquiry?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
yeah, thanks, that's a good question.
Um, yeah, it has.
It has been really.
It has been really organic, uh,through my own inquiry and, um,
that's really been at theforefront.
But I have had people who havebeen, of course, like people I
look up to, people that you knowI feel like have been guides in

(01:20:17):
some way.
Like you know, I would say,firstly, like my parents, for
sure, like um, without them,like I wouldn't be here and I
wouldn't be, none of this wouldhave arisen, um, and they've
been so helpful in this as well.

(01:20:37):
Like around the time when I wasin teen you know, teen years I
was becoming interested in thisstuff.
Like I think my dad was goingthrough a bit of a midlife
crisis and, uh, he stoppeddrinking and everything which I
which I really admired as well,and he read the power of now and
all of that, and he gave methat book and that was something

(01:20:59):
I was already a bit interestedin this stuff, but just gave
more of an opening.
And you know, then I, I feellike you know people like um,
people like eckhart and someother teachers, yeah, have been
like huge, huge guides and justnot even, not even that, just
the people that I've met inhuman life and in the divine as

(01:21:20):
well, and like I was thinkingback to what you said before
about your brother and how, likeyou know, when the body does go
, like we are still here, we'reactually here on like many

(01:21:42):
levels.
Like it's very multidimensional.
There's like so many ways inwhich we exist.
And I had a friend who I wasthinking like, yeah, I should,
should share this.
But, like I had a friend whoalso like passed away a couple
of years ago and I met him on aretreat actually, and I know he

(01:22:06):
was really connected spiritually.
Um, he, I think he followedbhakti yoga quite a lot and he
would just give me advice hereand there.
Like he was in his 40s and, um,I actually went and did a
retreat once actually and, um,some people might be familiar
with this.
You know I'm not saying thatpeople should go to anything,

(01:22:29):
but it was involving plantmedicine and it was really
profound and you're connectingwith a larger spiritual reality
and I actually had thisexperience in there where he
actually showed up in it and hewas like you know, hey, no, I

(01:22:50):
like he's like.
Yeah, I know this is weird,cause it was like it was real.
It was real than real andeveryone says that, says this
about these.
You know, these things, ifthat's what someone decides to
do.
And he showed up and he said Iknow this feels weird, but kind
of like keep going.
And he was like encouraging andI remember I just had like
tears rolling down my eyes andI've heard about this with

(01:23:12):
people, not not even through, um, natural medicine, just through
like dreams, and you know,maybe you've experienced that
yourself in some way is likesome form of like connection
from the outside which is reallyhere, and that these things
just like create more of anunderstanding that, yeah, you

(01:23:34):
know, um, there is magic andthere is like you know, like we
all are connected, even beyondthis human life.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
So, yeah, yeah, I totally agree, and one thing I
was going to say is kudos toyour dad for giving you the
power of now when you were ateen, because you know what.
I truly believe that kidsdeserve to have a spiritual
education as well as, uh, youknow, worldly education, uh that

(01:24:11):
the the government sets for thefor each country, their
syllabus and all that.
But I think spirituality shouldalso be taught, um, on a
mainstream level.
Um, maybe not on the mainstreamlevel, but at least within
their homes, um, you know, withthat parent even schools.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
I I used to I used to think that, like, why is this
not?
Why is this not taught inschools?
Like why is this not a subject?
Like I probably would haveloved that and needed that, yeah
, in school, because it reallywasn't working out for me at the
time.
And, um, you know, like, yeah,it would be great to see
something like that in thefuture.

(01:24:49):
And it might not even be, mightnot even be needed, because
there's just more of a naturalunderstanding there yeah, yeah,
I hope so.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
So that that's one thing.
Um, that I think is really good.
Um, and I'm grateful for myparents as well.
Um, for that.
You know where spirituality wasalways in my life.
I didn't have to kind of lookfor it, you know, and I think
I'm very grateful for that.
Um.

(01:25:19):
And then um, and yeah, justgoing on to the point, yes, I
totally feel.
I mean, there's been times whenI felt like my guru has been
with me in certain situationsand actually it's actually more

(01:25:41):
of the coincidence that happenedwhen he was alive, that really
I could not explain.
Coincidence happened when hewas alive, that really I could
not explain.
Like there'd be times when I'dbe thinking about him and I'd be
in tears, um, just, you knowthe joy of being connected to
him, and he would like send me awhatsapp message that morning,
or I'd just be like, oh, how areyou doing?
And I'm thinking, how does heknow that I'm thinking about him

(01:26:05):
?
Uh, and that's why I thinkenergy does travel far more than
we, um can understand.
Um, and then the other aspectthat I've kind of felt more of
is um, so now like, uh, so hisdaughter's now taken over the
spiritual institution now takenover the spiritual institution,

(01:26:30):
and um, and like, sometimes I,when I look at her, I feel his
presence and I'm like this is,you know, sometimes I try to be
so rational in my head that, um,then I have these experiences
that I'm like why do I, why do Ieven bother being so rational,
um, when that that can beblocking me from experiencing
something much deeper?
Um, so, and that only happens ifwe truly understand that

(01:26:54):
everything is formless.
In my opinion, when we so stuckon form, um, we will limit it
in many ways and be like thiscan happen, that can happen,
that can't happen, that can'thappen, and that's what happens.
But when we allow theexperience of life to just be

(01:27:15):
formless and boundless, you know, then, as you mentioned, the
aliveness that's felt is beyonddescription, beyond the bliss
that actually comes from it, thejoy that comes from that is
nothing can come close to that.

(01:27:36):
I know that.
You know, uh, one may find joyfrom alcohol and, um, from
substances of some kind, but Iwould say, if you've not, if, if
you want to try somethingthat's really potent, have
spiritual bliss.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
There's nothing, even that, even even those things
can be like bliss for thatperson.
Yes, like yes you know, thatthat's I have.
I know friends have many thatare, like you know, so alive and
in bliss, and it's like youkind of, at least the journey
here, like go past that place oflike, oh, this is the right

(01:28:14):
thing or wrong thing, and thenyou just feel this connection
and love yeah, I agree with youlike it it is.
It's like the aliveness that youcan feel, which is like I would
describe it as like a similarfeeling, when, when you feel
those ecstatic moments in yourlife, you know when you're like

(01:28:36):
really in love with someone oryou're having like a peak
experience, or you know, youjust feel so much joy that
everything, everything fallsaway and it's like it's yeah,
like like you were saying, it'sit's when we, when we take the
form too seriously, just likeyou know it's paradoxical like

(01:29:02):
when we take it too seriously,we can get really lost in it and
that's when we suffer.
But it is a bit of a game insome way, and for the game to
appear there has to be dualities, right, like um that's how the
the appearance of separationappears, and just like a movie,
you know um.

(01:29:23):
When there's, you know, tomcruise running down a street in
a high-speed chase, you know wecan get really like.
You know, heart starts beatinglike.
Get really like some peoplemaybe, uh, panicky um yeah but
we can kind of forget, we canforget that we're actually the
person in the seat, uh, watchingthe movie.

(01:29:45):
And so when we can return tothat like knowing that it's an
appearance, like it's anappearance that we're like
immersing within, like awareness, consciousness being the thing
that's immersing withinspace-time, just like on the
movie screen, how it likeappears, like there's distance,
you know the sounds, everything,the characters, everything that

(01:30:06):
the characters then then we cancome back to peace, knowing
that you know we are awareness.
We are the ones sitting in theseat now here, but,
paradoxically, like we also wantthat, like consciousness also
wants that right To like to gointo the game and like have that
experience and do that.
Otherwise, what's the wholepoint of it?

(01:30:27):
And I do believe like what'shappening in the, the play of
life and form here, is like wecan learn to like have more fun
with it now and create it into alike better movie, if that
makes sense if yes, so yeah abetter sequel

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
um yeah, um, that's.
That's I really um, I reallyreally loved what you said.
That's something worthcontemplating upon.
Um, and it's interestingbecause in the upanishads, which
is um, I'm sure you must havecome across them, um, you know,

(01:31:10):
they say roughly 5 000 years ago, uh, the ancient rishis were
meditating and they were asked aquestion you know, why did
brahman create the universe?
What was the point of?
Uh, consciousness creating thiswhole world?
And um, and the answer was oneof the answers were just the joy

(01:31:30):
of rediscovering itself.
That's why and I think that'strue like um, yeah, and yeah, it
sounds like again paradoxical,but I think truth is paradoxical
, I think reality, life isparadoxical, um, but, yeah, the
the fact that when you realizethat it's just god finding

(01:31:51):
itself, uh, it becomes, I knowit becomes a bit more uh,
interesting, um yeah like then,then you don't, you don't get
stuck in the weeds of why did Ithink that answer it's not deal,
it's not, you know, like thezen koans, it's not for your

(01:32:14):
rational mind, it's forsomething beyond that.
So when I heard the answer, orread the answer that it's just a
joy for rediscovering itself,it just made so much sense.
But it transcended the mind.
If that, if that makes sense,um, yeah, so I really loved what
you said.
That that just sparked thatthought.

(01:32:35):
Really, um, yeah, it'sbeautiful.
Um, uh, and yeah, I really lovemovies that take me on that
immersive experience, likeinception and uh, even like
interstellar.
Um, yeah, like, even the reallyhard ones, like tenet was a
really like christopher nolanhas a knack for doing that, but

(01:32:57):
even tenet I really lovedbecause it was messing, messing
around with time so much that Ijust loved that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Um, yeah, and some of these, you know, not even
movies, like art pieces they canactually like.
I think the ones that the onesthat have so much effect and
beauty, are the ones that likebring the person into that
experience and almost likecollaborate with what they're
watching or what they're lookingat and like um, you know, we we

(01:33:28):
went yesterday to in sydneylike the modern art museum and
there was like this um, therewas this piece in one of the
rooms that was like it was dark,it was like really dark room
and there was like smokeeverywhere.
And then there was like aprojector with a light that was
like a sphere, it was like acone shining out and you could
see all this smoke through it.

(01:33:49):
But then when you went into thesphere or near the projector,
everyone that goes in like youwant to take photos and you want
to be creative and play with it.
And we were saying after, likethat's the most, that's the one
you remember, that's the most,that's the one you remember,
that's the one that is like sopowerful, because then you're

(01:34:11):
interacting, you know, you'renot just the one like seeing the
art, you're just like thisworld, you're like playing with
the form and you're creatingwith it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
So, yeah, you're the artist as well as the art.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Um, so, yeah, I think, um, it'sbeen a great conversation.
We'll wrap it up.
Um, but um, what I want to askis how can people um find you?
Is there anything that you'reoffering right now which people
can sign up for?
Um and um and any likeconcluding remarks that you want

(01:34:54):
to give as well?

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
yeah, so I have my youtube channel where I do most
of my sharings uh noah rata umand my instagram where I have my
sharings and lots of memes touh keep it fun and you, you
might like that, you might not,and that's okay.
Um, and you might like my videos, you might not, and that's okay

(01:35:17):
as well.
Um, but yeah, and I'm notreally at the moment, I'm just
creating.
I'm just creating what I loveto share and create and yeah,
let's see what happens.
And thanks for having me on.
I really enjoyed it.

(01:35:38):
It's been a really goodconversation and, yeah, maybe we
can like come back to it in thefuture or something.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
I've really enjoyed thisconversation.
I've learned a lot, um, andmost of all, it's just um.
I think it's nice to speak tosomeone also where you, you know
um will understand what you'retalking about.
And, um, and I felt that withyou, I felt that with your

(01:36:07):
videos.
I mean, I really enjoy watchingyour videos.
They come up, um, normally whenI wake up in the morning, so,
uh, I see that, um, and for somereason, youtube like highlights
your videos for me, so, uh,which is really sweet, so I get
to see it, um, and I've learneda lot from them.
I really liked a few interviewsthat he did with Gary and, just

(01:36:30):
in general, I think the wisdomthat you share one.
I think what I really love andI've mentioned this is that the
humanness aspect, the humanitythat you have, really speaks,
and I think that's what reallyhas drawn me to listen to you,
and I know that will be the casefor my audience as well,

(01:36:52):
because sometimes spiritualitycan be all airy-fairy or it can
be really dry, and I thinkyou've got a good balance.
Got a good balance and there'sum, and you know your wisdom
that you share most of all, umis one that can help others to

(01:37:12):
transcend, um, their limitedself that they've, um, that they
hold to be true, and I think,um, if anyone gets a
breakthrough, um, you're one ofthe avenues that can help them.
So, um, so, but thank you,thank you for coming onto the
show.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
I know that we had, uh, you know, a lot of people
don't know behind the scenes,but we had quite a few, uh,
scheduling issues, um, to makeit happen.
That's okay and that's in myhuman life.
Probably something I'm not asgood at is like being kind of
consistent with with emailingand all of that, and some people
close to me and again, thiscould just be something I'm
telling myself, but you know,might know that, like, you know,

(01:37:57):
you know, getting back to somepeople, you know, on time and
thank you for what you weresaying.
That was really nice and, yeah,we all are, we're all in this
together and you know, yes,we're individuals, but also you
are me and I am you and we'reall here to learn and we're all

(01:38:17):
learning in this human world.
But, like, we're also openingto something really beautiful.
And, yeah, thank you for whatyou do as well and, um, you know
you have done a lot of amazingpodcasts and videos.
Um, I've tried to watch somewhen I can and, yeah, thanks for

(01:38:39):
having me on thank you, thankyou.

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