April 25, 2025 • 57 mins
Ever wonder what happens when a hard rock enthusiast meets a music lover with deep bluegrass and country roots? That's exactly what unfolds in this special preview episode featuring Shannon Cox, my partner in an exciting new podcast venture called "Talking Rock Fan."
What makes our musical chemistry work is how differently we've experienced rock music. Shannon grew up surrounded by Conway Twitty and Loretta Lynn (even seeing them live shortly before Conway passed) before discovering Kiss, Judas Priest, and eventually thrash metal. Meanwhile, I've been obsessing over album liner notes and collecting specific pressings of favorite records since childhood. These different entry points create fascinating conversations when we discuss the same bands.
The episode takes several unexpected turns through musical territory many fans might overlook. We dig into Rick Springfield's surprising heaviness beyond his radio hits, with Shannon discovering the bluesy depth of Springfield's "Snake King" album. We swap stories about the thrill of finding forgotten albums in record store "cutout bins" - those discounted sections where commercial failures often hide artistic treasures.
Our mutual appreciation for Kiss solo albums reveals how deeply personal music collecting becomes when you're chasing not just the music, but specific memories attached to particular pressings or editions. As Shannon puts it while describing his own collection spanning from "The Beatles to Slayer," sometimes the breadth of what you enjoy matters less than how deeply you connect with what speaks to you.
Whether you're a dedicated vinyl collector, a casual streaming enthusiast, or someone who remembers the thrill of discovering new music before algorithms made recommendations, this conversation captures why sharing musical passions creates such authentic connections between people.
Want to join us on this journey? Subscribe to The Ben Maynard Program wherever you get podcasts, and keep an eye out for the launch of "Talking Rock Fan" coming soon. We'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments!
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further ado.
This guy right next to me here,his name is Shannon Cox and it's
a fun story and Shannon and Iwe're kicking around some things
(02:18):
.
The reason why Shannon is hereis because him and I are really
doing our darnedest to try toget another podcast up and
running.
It's called Talking Rock Fan.
All right, it already has aFacebook page, so go look it up,
follow us on Facebook and we'reworking on some stuff.
(02:43):
This is kind of like almost youknow the sitcoms or other
programs.
When there's another program,that kind of like ties into it
as characters, they kind of sortof mesh together and then one
kind of branches off the secondone onto its own.
Well, this is kind of what thatis here, okay and so yeah there
(03:06):
you go.
We're just, we're doing a littletest here, we're doing a little
run, we're going to have somefun because Shannon and I are
both music lovers and we like alot of the same stuff.
But, as you're going to findout, we are like completely
opposite on some things too, andthat's what's going to make it
fun.
So, anyway, uh, again, withoutfurther ado, here he is.
(03:29):
Oh no, I'm sorry.
Here he is Shannon Cox.
How's it going, shannon?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's doing great, Ben .
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Of course, man, Of course.
Look, we've been.
We've been at this, God, we'vebeen at this at least two months
, right, yeah, and this will bethe first time that we'll have
some stuff out into the worldthere for people to chew on
people, to watch people, to makefun of all that good stuff
right, people can look at me nowand go.
(04:03):
Oh God, he's going to break theinternet.
Before we kind of get into acouple of topics, why don't you
just tell the audience aboutyourself a little bit, give them
a little background?
Oh man.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I'm from the South United States, grew up in
Kentucky and Tennessee,currently live in Indianapolis.
Currently live in Indianapolis,father of four, happily married
, have a huge background incountry and bluegrass when I was
a kid, became a rock fan in theearly 80s and just really
(04:37):
started going all over the placeon music.
I enjoy live music and, as youguys will find out, we we
entered some music at differenttimes and that's where the
opinions can differ.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, Tell, tell everybody kind of what your
where, where your wheelhouse isin the rock space.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I'm more hard rock heavy metal.
I enjoy some of the fasterstuff.
I used to be an old schoolthrash kid in high school Took a
few years off, kind of delvedin the country for a little bit
in the 90s and then found my wayback home.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Back home.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I did.
I like to tell people.
I graduated from cassette tapesin 1990 to CDs and my
collection just exploded fromvinyl and cassette to CDs of
hard rock and heavy metal.
I have everything from, oh mygoodness, the beatles, all the
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way up to, uh, slayer, I meanit's, it's all over the place,
and in between you can't get anydifferent than slayer and the
beatles.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So I'm all over yeah, those are really like two.
You know the opposite ends ofthe spectrum for sure I'm uh,
I'm kind of driven mood by mymood.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, yesterday I had rick springfield blasting while
I was cleaning a room okay,what were you playing from rick?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
oh, his greatest hits too.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh, oh, the the the new one yeah, yeah, I found it
on apple music and popped it inand I couldn't believe how heavy
he is compared to what I'veheard on the radio.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Pleasantly surprised okay, and this is a great place
to start.
This is a really, really greatplace to start because I love
rick springfield.
I've been a fan of rickspringfield since jesse's girl.
Okay, because that's when hereally, that's when he really
came on the scene big time inthe united states.
(06:47):
Now he was, I I remember, evenearlier than that.
Um, there was a friend of minegrowing up, his name was greg
and his sister dawn.
She, that's where I first heardof rick springfield and she had
these early, these uh albumsfrom the 70s that were featuring
, like Rick, as he was like asuperhero, he was wearing a you
(07:11):
know the outfit and everythingelse, and I mean, you know, when
I'm 11, 12 years old.
So I'm just really reallystarting to get into music and I
didn't kind of it didn't kindof click with me.
And then in 1981 I hear jesse'sgirl on the radio and I'm
hearing it's rick springfield.
I know that guy and and Ireally became a fan at that
(07:35):
point.
And then subsequently, the albumafter that was, uh, success
hasn't Me.
Yet the big hit was Don't Talkto Strangers, another really
really good song.
And then in 1983, maybe hiswell, I don't, it might be, if
it's not his hardest album, hisheaviness as far as heaviness is
(07:58):
concerned, it's certainly rightup there.
Maybe top two or three isLiving in Oz and there's still
some pop sensibilities about it,but it gets into some real
crunchy guitar, some realheaviness, and I love that album
(08:18):
.
I love Rick Springfield.
I don't know what's on GreatestHits 2, but maybe you can kind
of run it down for me as well.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
He has a re-recorded Jesse's Girl on it, closing the
album.
I can tell you that for sure.
But I'll tell you how I got.
While I'm bringing this up,I'll tell you how I got into
Rick Springfield.
Originally my aunt used tobabysit me for a little while
and her two daughters lovedRickick springfield and so they
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would play jesse's girl and andstuff like that on their, on
their radio, on their turntableand what I didn't know at the
time.
The reason they were into himwas because he was on a soap
opera and they would make mewatch him on this soap opera and
(09:08):
then then I would get to listento the music.
So I kind of was like I don'twant to listen to this guy.
You know if he was just on thenews or not the news, but on the
soap opera, yeah, here I havethe track listing for this.
Um, it starts out with a songcalled I'll make you happy, very
hard, very hard song.
I loved it, yeah.
(09:28):
Um, then he kind of goes poppykind of party stuff after that
with will I like this party updown beautiful.
You wasted actually his littlelittle hard rock.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
does it say what albums these songs are from it
in that track listing?
You got to dive a little deeperthen.
Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
He's got one.
It must be a re-record, calledWorld Start Turning.
It says orchestral versionWorld Start Turning.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I'm trying to remember what album that is.
I've got several Rick albums.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
There's a lot that I don't have because he's been
very prolific, but go ahead yeah, he's got a song with, uh,
sammy Hagar on here called partyat the beach.
Of course that's typical Sammyright?
Yeah, um, who killed rock androll?
That was pretty good.
Exit wound is fantastic andLittle Demon Live.
(10:22):
I like that song live.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's.
That is off of, that's off ofthe Snake King.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Okay, I download that one.
I haven't listened to it yetbecause after listening to the
Greatest Hits, I went and wentand just add a bunch of his
albums to my playlist and justhaven't went through them yet.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, let me double check.
That one Whoops.
That one is off of prettywhoops library.
That should be off of the snakeking.
Um, where is it there?
It is, yeah, oh wait, uh, yeah,yeah, that one is that one is
off of the snake king.
That one came out, I think, in2017.
(11:02):
That's a the entire album of thesnake king.
It's it's.
There's a lot of religiousovertones to it.
Uh, because rick is rick is wasraised catholic, okay, and he
was raised in the catholicchurch and so on.
So there are a lot of religiousovertones to that one that
there's a lot that I still haveto try to decipher and pick
(11:24):
apart.
But, um, that one there, theentire album is very bluesy.
A lot of slide guitar on that.
Uh, yeah, a lot of um, um, alot of in and out, but it's it's
very blues, bluesy some.
It's not real heavy, but, um,it's not real light either.
(11:48):
So that that album and I likethat album a lot the uh, the
title track on that album, thesnake king is, is so, so good on
that.
There's there's.
You know, there's a lot of goodstuff on there.
I'm trying to.
I'm looking at the.
I'm looking at the the tracklisting right now.
(12:08):
But.
But in fact the last song onthe album.
It's 12 tracks.
The whole thing's like an hourlong.
It it's like 10 minutes thelast, the last track.
But it goes through so muchstuff too and it's very
interesting and if you give it alisten you'll get where I'm
(12:31):
coming from.
But it's so cool.
You brought up Rick Springfieldthough.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, that'll be my next listen.
Then I'll listen to that hereshortly.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
All right, continue with your track listing on
Greatest Hits 2.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Oh, there's not too much left.
I mean he greatest hits too.
There's there's not too muchleft.
I mean he has, um, that one.
I don't remember that onedidn't stick with me.
Uh uh, it's always somethingautomatic.
Okay, lose myself.
And then the new version ofJesse's girl, which, okay, it's
(13:04):
just a little bit faster.
Jesse's Girl to me, is what itreminded me of.
It's 16 songs, 51 minutes.
I'll definitely have to givethe Snake King a listen to,
because I like epic songs, hugePink Floyd fan.
I love Dream Theater,especially the epics.
(13:25):
If they're.
If they have lyrics, it's great.
If not, I'll take them as theyare right.
Some bands I only like their,their music without lyrics.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
People learn that from me well going over that
track listing.
There's not, I'll be honest, Ido.
I mean I I'm looking at mystuff here.
I've got like five or six rickspringfield, uh, rick
springfield albums and I wouldsay most of those songs on that
on the greatest hits too, areprobably going to be post 2000,
(14:00):
and like nine or ten, becausethere's there's another album on
there I think it came out inmaybe 08, 09, called Venus in
Overdrive, okay, and the titletrack's awesome.
It's about I don't even thinkit's three minutes long, but
(14:20):
it's such a cool song, but it'sjust a really, really good song.
I won't say it's hard and heavy, it's not poppy it.
There's a lot of production toit, though there is a lot of
production, um, but it is sogood and the lyric, the lyrical
content on it is wonderful.
And this is what people don'tunderstand about Rick
(14:42):
Springfield.
I mean the girls love himbecause he's good looking, oh,
yeah.
Even at 75 or 76 years old theguy still looks amazing.
But you know, for the layperson, they hear Rick
Springfield and automaticallythey just go to Jesse's girl and
they think that's what RickSpringfield is.
(15:03):
And he's not.
I've seen him live severaltimes and that's when you really
get to know an artist is whenyou see them perform live.
You know not just what you hearon the radio, because that's
all just that's selected by themanagement, the record company
and that kind of stuff and uhand well, I mean and radio
(15:28):
doesn't play whatever they wantanymore.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I remember jesse's girl and he had a big hit with
the sammy hagar song, which Ilove both both versions, sammy's
and his and I actually knewsammy's before.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Him loved it I've done everything for you.
Yes, and there's a.
There's a.
There's a story to that too.
Um, something like um, whenthat song, after it, was on the
charts and it got big, um, sammyreceived a gift from Rick.
(15:57):
He received, like a bottle ofchampagne and and oh, no, no, no
, I'm sorry, it was the otherway around, or wait, how was it
yeah, I think it was a that thatthat sammy sent rick a bottle
of champagne and a dozen rosesand basically said there was a
note that basically says likeyou've done everything for me,
(16:22):
because because, like you said,you knew the song before rick
released it, but really itwasn't mainstream until it came
out on rick's album.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
No, the album that came off of didn't even sell
well at all.
Right, it was terrible.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah.
So so you know, rick took thatsong and, and I mean, made Sammy
a lot of money.
Oh, that's all.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I was going to say, yeah, the roses and the
champagne were just a drop inthe bucket for the royalties
that Sammy's drug in off thatI'm sure Exactly.
Sammy's a pure businessman, soI think that's funny.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah.
So all right, we don't.
We don't have to make this awhole Rick Springfield episode.
But no, that was really cool.
You said you were listening toRick Springfield, because I do.
I really I enjoy Rick a lot,and he's one, he's a good
interview and two, he's so muchmore than what probably 85, 90%
of the people even know.
He is, so Agreed.
(17:22):
So what?
So tell us a little bit moreabout your, you know, like your
tastes in music.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh, my goodness.
Well, early 80s I wasintroduced to Kiss, judas Priest
, bob Seger, george Thorogoodand the Destroyers.
Yeah, yeah, cash conway, twitty, loretta, lynn, tammy wynnette,
(17:52):
george jones.
Uh, blues brothers, even thoughthey're they weren't
technically really a band, Iguess you could say, yeah, um,
it's actually.
My favorite soundtrack of alltime is the the blues brothers
movie.
It's one of the few vinyls Iactually own.
All right, just because I'mactually going to mount it on
the wall behind me here.
Probably at some point there'llbe a backdrop.
(18:13):
There you go.
I just, I just love Jake andElle Woods.
You know, take on a lot ofsongs and things, love some good
Motown.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Actually, I loved Poison Motley, white Snake
during the eighties era thereyou got me thinking Wait, wait,
wait, who's making love to your?
Lady while you were out makinglove, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You got to love all of that that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
That's Jake and Elwood.
That's Blues Brothers, rightthere.
Anyway, I'm sorry, you're great, you're great people, that's.
That's.
That's jake and and elwood.
That's blues brothers, rightthere.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, anyway, I'm sorry, you're great you're great
, the the jailhouse rock, thattheir cover of elvis's jailhouse
rock is just phenomenal.
Oh, wow, um, yeah, um.
Then we had I got into theharder stuff when I got into
high school, but I kind oftransitioned from Poison, motley
(19:16):
, aerosmith, then Metallica camealong, megadeth, anthrax, then
it was let's see, grunge camethrough and wiped out everybody.
I jumped into that for a littlebit.
Alice in Chains is stillprobably one of my favorite
(19:37):
bands of all time.
I still follow them to this day, even Jerry Cantrell's solo.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Which he's really putting a lot of focus on right
now, too, is his solo.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm kind of shocked into that.
But yeah, I don't like it asmuch as Alice in Chains but I
enjoy Alice in Chains.
They've got some albums that Icould probably do out of
episodes on just alone right,because they're albums that
everybody sleeps on.
I I picked up a couple of theiralbums, didn't you know they
were out?
Just listen to them, becausethey were in the bin, you know,
(20:07):
in the little uh cutout bin.
Yeah, three, three dollar CDsyou know here, take them, just
get them off my shelf, took,took them home.
I'm like, oh my God, these arenow some of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Okay, hold on.
You said the cutout bin and forthose of you who are not
necessarily music geeks or nerdslike we might be, the cutout
bin at your album store, yourrecord store, let's put it that
way your record store.
Now, when I was now, shannonand I we've got a little bit of
age difference between the twoof us, not a ton, but enough
(20:37):
anyway.
But when I was a kid, thecutout bin.
You go through the albums andyou see the corner cut on the
album cover.
I know I've got like one or tworight here on the shelf and it
was that meant it was reduced.
And the reason why they cut thecorner off the album cover is
most record stores, if not allof them, had a policy that if
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you didn't, if you boughtsomething and you didn't like it
, you could return it and getyour money back.
But if an album costs $5.99 andyou get it out of the cutout
bin for $399, well, you can'ttake it back and you're not
going to fool somebody and get$599.
They're going to give you your$399 back.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
So that's kind of part of why If you're lucky With
that.
If you're lucky Because I hadone record store.
The guy called it the as-is bin.
You bought it, you got it.
You know, take that.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Okay, so that's kind of really what the cutout bins
were for people, the bargain bin, whatever you want to call it.
You know, and, uh, you couldjust get some great stuff and
it's not because it wasn't abargain bin or a cutout bin
because the stuff was.
It wasn't necessarily becausethe stuff was no good, just to
what you were saying.
You had some alice in chainstuff that you, you, you didn't
(22:00):
even know that they had released.
There wasn't really, no, no, ahullabaloo made about any of it.
So you're finding it later onand if you're finding it and not
knowing it's released,obviously there's a whole bunch
of other people out there thatdidn't know it was released as
well.
So record store is going to tryto get some of their money from
it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Oh, I easily on one trip because to get to my local
record store was an hour drivefrom where I live Holy cow.
Yeah, I mean it was in Knoxville, Tennessee, and so when I went
I went what they called packingfor bear.
I went expecting to bring backa box of stuff and I always did,
(22:39):
always clean house.
It wasn't for the new releases.
I went in to discover stuff andwhen Nirvana came through and
grunge came through and squashso many great albums I have at
least 30 CDs I counted up theother day that came from the
cutout bin.
I got Dog Eat Dog by Warrant.
(23:00):
I got Subhuman Race by Skid RowPull from Winger.
They're all cutouts and I gotthem a few years afterwards.
I mean, Foreigner, I forgetwhat the album.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Mr Moonlight, mr Moonlight yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I got that one in the cutout bin.
I mean there were so many thatI just they're like nobody would
touch him, man.
They said we'll sell them andthey would even sell them to you
for like three, for $5 orsomething, and I just took a box
.
I said you got a box, man, andI did.
I took at least 30.
I counted the other day fromone trip alone.
That was all stuff like that.
(23:39):
And it even went back furtherlike um, oh, it was.
Uh, my copy of girls, girls,girls by motley crew was in the
cutout bin at that point.
Yeah, you couldn't.
You know, you couldn't buy itbefore, and before then I
couldn't even afford it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Exactly yeah, In 87, 88, when that record was hot,
yeah, you might not be able toafford it.
But then, of course, if it'sstill sticking around at a
record store six, seven yearslater, man, they just want it
out of there.
Oh, yeah and yeah.
But to what you're saying.
I mean, look, this topic righthere is a show unto itself.
(24:19):
When you're talking albums fromfrom eighties, bands that were
released in the nineties, thatwent absolutely nowhere, you
know that's, that's a topic untoitself.
Don't tell me you gotCinderella still climbing too.
No, I got.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Heartbreak Station Okay, heartbreak Station in the
bin and I got Revolutions PerMinute by Skid Row out of the
cutout bin a few years ago, butthat was more.
After I moved up here I got arecord store Like I got three of
them 10 minutes away.
Oh, that's good.
(24:59):
So that's a lot better, but it's.
They do a lot of shoppingoffline and they do a lot of
their stuff on eBay.
So they don't like selling tothe locals as much.
They'd rather ship.
It seems like, because localscome in and want to haggle On
eBay.
You just On eBay.
You just, yeah, well, I'll goin and say, hey, here's this old
Wasp album Still Not DarkEnough from the late 90s.
(25:23):
I have it on CD, but I reallydig the cover.
I'd like to have the album.
They're like it's going to be$35, man, and you're like, can I
just buy it for 15?
Like no, I can't help it, I'm ahaggler.
When you had nothing, you cameup for no money.
Man.
You, you want to stretch thatdollar every time you can,
especially if you know it's beenthere several times.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
When you came in and nobody's looking at it, you bet,
yeah, you've been in therethree times and it's still there
.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, I, I, I, the lasttime I went record shopping I
didn't really well, I guess Idid go record shopping.
I was, uh, katherine and I, wehad gone to portland for the
weekend, we'd gone for a weddingand and, uh, we were headed
(26:08):
back to the airport.
So we were driving throughdowntown port Portland and I,
just by chance, passed by arecord shop and so I said, oh,
got to stop and parked, we wentinside.
I spent about an hour in thereand Catherine was bored to tears
, but, but, but I spent aboutmaybe almost an hour looking
(26:33):
around and, honestly, I didn'treally know what I was looking
for.
I was just looking and I knewif I saw something, if, if it
caught my eye, then I would, Iwould pick it up, and, and, um,
I ended up walking out of therewith, um, I think I picked up
two, two or three Rolling StonesCDs, um, um, and I'm trying to
(26:56):
remember what else.
I know I talked about it on theshow, but that was back in like
november, so, um, but but I did.
I came across, I was lookingthrough the albums as well, and
I came across, sometimes thestore can be just so big it's
overwhelming, you know, yeah,but because if you start at a at
nine o'clock in the morning,you won't hit z until about six
(27:18):
in the evening and yeah, Ididn't want to do that, but but,
uh, I did pick up.
Um, I picked up an album fromangel.
I have it, I have and I havethe cd, but but there was this
vinyl right here and and it waswhite hot, and I was like, oh, I
got to get this and they wereselling for $2.99.
(27:39):
I said, okay, no, this is itand it was used, it was in the
used record bin.
But I was like, oh, no, I gotto pick this one up.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
No, it's a bargain for that album.
That's a great album.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
You've turned me on to that, onto that.
I love that album.
It is.
It's a really good album.
Uh, and I think it was theirnext to last.
I think was their fifth album.
Yeah, as a matter of fact,because you get the debut hell
of a band, um, on earth as it isin heaven, yeah, then white hot
, then sinful, yeah, so or wait,something like that.
I don't remember, but but yeah,it was.
Uh, that was a good one.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
The last time I went to the record store I'm looking
at it right now, across the barhere I picked up Davey Lee
Roth's Crazy From the Heat onvinyl.
Oh wow, and it was used.
But I talked him down to $13from the $45 he wanted for it.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
He wanted $45 for a used record.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yes, holy cow, and this guy only does vinyl.
Okay, he does shirts and vinyl,yeah, and the other two stores
do.
One does a small bin of cds andcassettes, yeah, and the other
one's just like a full-blownstore.
If you go in there, you've gotto have time.
So I rarely go in there, justbecause I know I'll get lost and
(28:56):
my wife does not have that kindof patience.
She is not gonna put up, yeah,no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
She's like you got 10 minutes and then I'm leaving
yeah, exactly, and you know, andlook, not everyone appreciates
music like we do, you know it.
It's a lot of people, becauseit's what we're into, but it's
really a very small percentageof people.
(29:23):
When you look at the grandscope and your wife, just like
mine, yeah, no, they can take orleave it and they would prefer
to leave it mine, yeah, no, theycould take or leave it and they
would prefer to leave it, and,um, yeah, so we have to kind of
understand that it would beinconsiderate of us to drag them
around on something like recordstore day.
That would be, that would belike I mean, like you know, kill
(29:49):
me now for them, exactly do you, do you uh, do you curse on
your show any, or you keep itlimited I, I, I don't, but I
don't.
I don't stop anybody from doingit, because there's no, there's
no fcc regulation.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I'm just not a cusser by nature, I'm I'm I'm not the
biggest cusser, but I just wantto tell a quick story here about
me and my wife.
Yeah, yeah, she recently flewto to new orleans and so I was
listening to the solo albumsfrom kiss yeah, and jeans was in
and the kids and me weredriving her completely crazy
(30:23):
singing living in sin on repeatand she's like this is so
juvenile and I'm it is an 11 and13 year old singing it and even
our five year old was likeHoliday Inn, holiday Inn.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
And so on the way.
When I went and picked her uplike a week later, I had the
same album in and the kids werein the back and when you wish
upon, a star was on and she camein and sat down.
First thing was what the hellhave you got the Disney channel
(31:01):
on for now?
I thought you were trying tolisten to rock and I'm like she
goes wait a minute, shut thehell up.
She goes are you fuckingkidding me?
That's Gene Simmons singingthat.
Welcome to my world, baby yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
But see, I'm the same way when I get into something
I'll listen to it straight forlike a week or two, you know,
and just want to just pick apartevery note there is to it, you
know, apart every note there isto it, you know.
(31:38):
And but to what you're saying,you know, when you wish upon a
star, a lot of people wouldthink what in the world is Gene
Simmons singing that song?
For?
How stupid is that?
You know, and part of, and alot of it, part of the reason
why, when it came to the soloalbums, Gene, one of the reasons
why he got a lot of crap isbecause he was doing stuff like
(31:59):
when you Wish Upon a Star.
But then when you understand hisstory, his life, then you know
why he sang that song and whythat song sang that song and why
that song.
It.
I mean that song meant so muchto him from his childhood that
when he had an opportunity torecord that song was going to
(32:21):
certainly be outside of his.
Then he took advantage of thatand actually I think he did a
really, really good job with itand I think that's why I enjoyed
his album a lot more.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And now and I'm gonna get into that when I do my own
video about it, but I sure I didnot go into it with the
viewpoint of this is kiss.
I went into it thinking this isjust an album I picked up and
and and threw in to listen to.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I didn't have the poster on the wall, I wasn't
staring at the album cover, Ijust streamed it and now there's
songs off that album that are apermanent part of some of my
playlists that that I make yeah,I look, look like I said we, we
can, we can do an episode on uh, on the solo albums here coming
up in the future, but but I,you know there's I I like a lot
(33:10):
of that stuff.
I won't get into it because Idon't want to spoil that
material now, but you know, okay, so Record Store Day was like a
couple weeks ago, I think itwas.
I think it's like two weekstomorrow.
Did you get out and venture?
No, yeah, you know, I didn'teven know.
I mean, it used to only be oneday a year and that was in April
(33:30):
and it came and I did.
I didn't even realize it,forgot all about it and and I'm
not, I haven't been a big recordstore day guy over the years,
but I want to do a littlepartaking, you know, and see
what's out there.
But I think there's a secondone that comes up now in
November, I think.
I think so.
(33:51):
I think that's been like thelast several years.
I tried to look it up and Icouldn't find anything on it,
but from my memory it wassomewhere around um, because I
think they brought it.
They brought it into playbecause of the holiday season.
I believe is why that makessense.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
So if I went to record store day, I'd want to
network, I'd want to find peoplewho were like-minded that I
could talk to and get some ideas, kind of like.
You know, you and I met, youknow on on Facebook and just
kind of just started talking.
I mean, look where that's ledus.
You never know, you never knowwhat you're going to find.
Um, and God forbid, somebodyopened my eyes to an artist I
(34:33):
never heard of before and I fallin love with.
You know, that would be great,you know yeah, you know there's
I've had.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I had a guy on the podcast way back when in the
beginning of this.
His his name is Dennis, hisnickname is Deep Cut Dennis, but
I had him on then.
You know, a few weeks ago I hadTommy Summers, from three sides
of the coin on and, and, and,and, then and, then you as well,
and all three tremendous musiclovers and, and I mean I've got
(35:05):
my, my good buddy, childhoodfriend, spaz, who comes on the,
who comes on the podcast fromtime to time.
We'll do, you know, we're bigjourney lover, boy, foreigner,
geeks, and we've seen thosebands numerous times and and so
he's like the rest, the rest ofour buddies that we grew up with
, they they're not into musiclike we are okay.
(35:28):
So so, when it comes to themusic type stuff, you know, and
we have to dive into things, no,spaz is my guy, but, but you,
tommy dennis, there's a lot ofother folks out there too.
But in my world here, your, your, uh, the way I like to describe
(35:50):
it, it you have a greaterbreadth on your music than I
necessarily do.
I like a lot of stuff, but Ilike to say that my music fandom
or love is kind of like thisbut everything in that circle,
(36:14):
man man, I just get into it andI want to know every.
I want to know every lyric toall the songs.
I want to know everything aboutall the band members.
I want to.
I want to know their kids names.
You know it's just whatever.
But but I, I I'm trying tolearn to stretch it out a little
bit more.
I mean, you're talking aboutwhere you came from, you know,
(36:38):
with bluegrass, and not justcountry, because I love country
too.
But you know, you reallystretch it out and I think that
that's just something that Ihave.
I haven't done a lot of.
I try.
My circle expands a little bit,but it just doesn't get way out
(37:02):
here like this.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
So, being a country fan, you know who Conway Twitty
is.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Okay, I lived less than 10minutes away from a venue in
Kentucky called TombstoneJunction that sounds so good.
It was an amusement park.
It's defunct now.
That's for another day.
(37:25):
I can tell you about that.
But my very first concert wasConway Twitty and Loretta Lynn,
a few weeks before Conway passedaway at Tombstone Junction,
talking about having no idea ofwhat you were seeing at the time
.
And now I can appreciate it.
Yeah, I mean, we saw RickySkaggs, but Ricky Skaggs is
(37:49):
Kentucky born and bred and stillperforms there at what they
call the Bluegrass Opry, renfroValley.
Okay, I live 45 minutes fromthere.
I couldn't get to a recordstore, but I could get to all
these country and bluegrassvenues All we wanted to we saw
an hour away right, Absolutelyyeah.
If you've ever heard of aBlackstone cherry, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
They're from Glasgow, kentucky.
I grew up an hour and a halffrom there, but they have ties.
Two of the guys in the band,their fathers were in a country
band called the KentuckyHeadhunters.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, I've heard of them.
I don't know their music, but Ihave heard of them.
Yeah, they are.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
They did a lot of covers unfortunately Not a whole
lot of original material, yeah,but they were fantastic and
they were hard rock for the timein the 90s of the country.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
They had a pretty good run, like 30 years ago or
so.
Right, they did, yeah they hadDoomless Walker.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
They did a cover of Walk Softly on this Heart of
Mine.
Yeah, honky Tonk Walkin' RagTop.
They did a cover of, uh, walksoftly on this heart of mine.
Um, honky-tonk walking uh ragtop.
Uh, honky-tonk angel, I thinkwas.
Was that rock and roll angel?
I forget the name of the song,but they, they were actually
pretty good and some of theiroffspring, you know, grew up in
(39:11):
the music industry and then whenthe headhunters broke up or
actually I think they reunitedthey took blackstone cherry as
their opening band and that'swhere those boys got their legs,
from my understanding right.
So the only time I've ever seenblackstone cherry is when they
did like a 15 minute set of justcovers to like 20 people or
(39:33):
something.
And now I want to go see themand you know they're going to be
huge.
At least I hope they're goingto be huge.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Well, they're actually Blackstone Cherry does
very well across the Atlantic.
They do real well.
They're kind of like BlackberrySmoke.
They do really well on thatside of the Atlantic much.
They're much bigger than theyare here in america, which is is
really odd because of theirsound and what it is that they
(40:05):
do.
You think that that an americanaudience would just really
gravitate more towards it, butthey seem to do.
I mean they're doing arenasover in the UK and they're doing
, you know, like large clubs andtheaters here in the United
States.
I mean they do well, here,what's that?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
There'll be third on the bill here.
You know when anything.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Exactly, exactly, which is kind of head scratching
, but that's I.
You know, we could spend allday trying to figure that one
out too.
So, um, so I know that I wantto try to get my buddy spaz to
to head out with me to to recordstore day when it comes around
again.
So I'm going to be on thelookout for november.
(40:51):
I'm going gonna be listening upand trying to pay attention,
because I really want to just goout and run around to to some
record stores.
Our, our favorite record storewhen we were kids is still in
existence.
It's still around.
It's um, it's called levels andI bought so much music there
growing up and and, uh, I justremember I would go in there and
(41:15):
thumb through the bins on thealbums, the new stuff.
Then I would go through theused stuff and yeah, because,
yeah, they do a lot of used, alot of used stuff there as well,
always have, and I prefer theuse because the new stuff is uh,
you got to have the, the redvinyl or the green vital and
(41:38):
everything's.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
If you walk into walmart or meyer or any of those
places, they've got the brandnew re issues and it's 30 bucks
or 25 or whatever.
Yeah, I, I got a megadeth livealbum.
It's the Coke bottle version.
I just realized that paidprobably an extra 10 bucks for
it.
I've never taken it out of thesleeve.
(42:00):
I got it because I'd never seenthis album before.
It's like a recording orsomething, but I'm like it was a
special edition.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
And to what you're saying.
Okay, when I when I graduatedhigh school in 83, I had gone
back to Missouri, my high schoolgirlfriend, her family,
relocated to Missouri.
They invited me to come backand I went back there and I
(42:30):
needed money.
So, like a dummy, I sold almostevery piece of vinyl that I had
at the time.
I got a whole $85 for it.
I had Beatles albums in there.
I sold nearly every single Kissalbum I had.
I think the only one I may havehung on to was Music from the
(42:51):
Elder, whatever I had forAerosmith, my Uriah heap albums,
all that kind of stuff.
So I sold all of that and I I'mcertainly I regret it to this
day, but in trying to um, intrying to get the and I don't
(43:12):
even have a turntable anymore,but I still want to buy those
albums back and so I do I go oneBay and I look for stuff and
and I'm not, I don't want thenew stuff when it comes to the
kiss records I want, let's see,oh yeah, I want the old stuff.
I want like okay, let me find ithere Now, do you?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
still just have three of the four solo albums on
vinyl.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, I haven't picked up Peter's yet.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I almost bought a Peter to send to you off eBay to
see if I could swap you foryour Paul, just for the heck of
it.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
I'll just send you the Paul.
I got two of them.
I'll send you one.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
I'm just like well, I want all two of them.
I'll send you one.
I'm just like well, I want allfour of them now yeah, yeah, but
I'll send it to you.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
You don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I was laughing, I could trade you out because you
need peter.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I do, I do, I'll pick up two peters, if I have to,
because, but, no, no, but, but.
But like I had said, though it,when I, when I, when I look at
these albums, they have to haveall the, all the stuff in the
posters, the membership forms,the merch forms.
I got to have all that stuff inthere, cause that's how I had
them when I was a kid, and sothat's what I really look for
(44:22):
whenever I buy them off of eBayand um, but I don't want someone
taking me to the cleaner sayingoh this is $60 or whatever.
No, I'll pay, you know, 20, 30bucks.
That's about it, that's youknow.
Outside of that, it's like no,come on, dude, All right, really
serious.
But but not only that.
If, cause Casablanca had a fewdifferent uh labels on the on
(44:43):
the center of the album, if minewas the purple Casablanca label
, which was pre 375, then that'sthe one I want.
So so I look for that stuff too, and, um, sometimes you gotta
look a little harder than othersand and uh.
But but that to what you'resaying.
(45:04):
I want to go into the used binsand look through that stuff,
cause that's where I know Istand a better chance of finding
what I want.
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
You know, Absolutely.
I even like hitting used toanyway flea markets and used
furniture stores for some reasonalways have like a little bin
of records or something.
And I'll dig through.
I found some Beatles stuff, Wow.
I was kind of surprised.
Yeah, you know, um I, becausemy mother-in-law is like the
biggest beatles.
(45:37):
Shout out, donna, she is likethe biggest beatles fan.
She has like a beatles room,wall-to-wall albums, books, the
movies, if I mean.
She has multiples of everythingand she just keeps on
collecting.
She has the beanie babies andmultiples.
You know, uh, if you could,you'd probably have the kiss
(45:57):
beanie babies or something, orfunko pops or something they're.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
They're sitting right over there on the shelf and I
didn't buy him.
A friend of mine, he he gavehim to me.
He's cleaning out stuff and hesends me a text message.
He says, hey, are you home?
I'm in the area, I gotsomething for you.
I'm like, yeah, sure.
Five minutes later he's at mydoor and he hands me a bag and I
look, look at it and I'm like,oh my gosh, all right, mark,
(46:21):
thanks, you know, but and I gotmy kiss bobble heads up here too
from when they from?
From when they they, when Pauland Gene had their arena
football league team.
Oh yeah, yeah, but you know so.
So shout out to Donna, right?
So my mom's, my mom's name isDonna too, and actually your mom
(46:44):
, donna, is a huge Beatles fan.
My mom is not.
However, it was because of herplaying the 45 of Let it Be over
and over and over again, or notover and over, but playing it
on our stereo and typing thelyrics out.
That's really the thing thathit me and hooked me when it
(47:10):
came to music.
It was because my mom, donna,and the Beatles, just one of
those things I probably misspoke.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Donna is my mother-in-law, but she is like a
second mom to me.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
She's the greatest, you're fine.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
My mother's Wilma, and she is the same way with
Elvis.
Ah, the only albums in our homeWere Country and Elvis Gotcha,
and it was more gospel Elvisthan anything else, but she
loved.
When he came back with thecomeback album we had to have,
we had to go stand in line atthe store and get it.
(47:46):
It's Elvis.
We can't do without Elvis inour house.
Come on, the king he was yeah,absolutely.
I've got about 10 minutes left.
You said that you were going tolisten to the Sammy Hagar
Concourse song, so I want toknow your opinion.
I'm dying to know.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Okay, all right.
Well, let's end with that then.
Okay, we'll close up shop withthis right here.
So I did.
I listened to it and that's areally good song.
And you mentioned previous tous starting starting to roll
here, that that tapping in thebeginning from Joe sound was
(48:27):
just, it was very, very EddieVan Halen, like absolutely.
When you hear that, it's likethis is a Van Halen song, but
then when you get past that, no,it's a sammy song, but but
nonetheless it's a really goodsong, really good song I like it
.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
All four, all four guys on that out on that song
had their moments.
Like sammy was singing, joe wasdoing the tapping in the
beginning as a nod to eddie, butthen in the breakdown he does
his own solo, his own nod to hisown stuff, but it still was in
like the tune of a van halensong.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
I'm not sure if I'm describing yeah, more, but but
more on this, on the sammy sideof it, though.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
You know the sam, the sammy era yeah, the later 80s,
early 90s, for sure, EvenAronoff was pounding those drums
.
That's definitely not Alex onthose drums.
You can tell he didn't try toemulate Alex at all, he went
harder pounding.
I almost would have thought itwas Bonham there for a minute
just because Aronoff was hittinghim so hard.
But yeah, I really love thesong.
(49:32):
It's what Encore.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Good Night Encore.
Thank you Goodnight Encore.
Thank you Goodnight.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
And I only heard it the one time.
And you know, sometimes you sayyeah, it's okay, and then you
got to listen to it over andover and over again.
No, no, this one was good rightout of the gate, right from the
beginning to the end, and Ikind of liked, kind of
throughout the song, especiallyaround halfway through the song
where it sounded like the crowdwas chanting Thank you, like
(50:01):
there were, like the song wasbeing played live, you know, and
there was a crowd chantingThank you.
It was like thank you, thankyou, thank you, you know over
and over again, but that wasreally really really cool.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Even Michael Anthony it may be the part you're
referencing scene was where heis saying over and over again
thank you, and I did as thebackup.
I mean it was, it wasn't.
I don't know if it wasemotional for him, but to me I
can almost picture him beingemotional, because those guys
had 30 years of history beforeyou know.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
They parted and were had to be close you would think,
yeah, you would think you know.
I mean, I mean it was michaeland alex and eddie before dave.
Absolutely, you know, yeah, andso you know.
I mean they had history beforedave and then, um, I I don't
(50:52):
know, I don't.
I.
I mean I I've read sammy's book, but that's been probably 10,
12 years since I read sammy'sbook and I think it's probably
10, 12 years, since I readSammy's book and I think it's it
was.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Are you talking about Red?
What's that Are?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
you talking about Red ?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
I did it on Audible back in February.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Listen to it.
Okay, you know, and I knowthere was some stuff, but I just
think that there was some stuffgoing on with Eddie.
You know, you come to find outthat that Eddie was the real
driver behind that band.
I mean not driver, but but hewas the one that was the big
influencer.
It was like no, we're going todo it this way.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
And he was truly the visionary in more than one way.
Yeah, sammy and Dave may havehad a hand on most of the lyrics
, but're 100 right that eddiewas the driving force now in
sammy's book.
From what I remember, they kindof reworked michael's deal like
(51:47):
two times after the 84 album.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, they did.
Yeah, they kind of were like,hey, michael, uh, you know, this
is the way it's going to besign here or else you're not
being as creative I this is theway it's going to be Sign here
or else You're not being ascreative.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
I didn't like that either.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
It kind of left a bad taste in my mouth.
Yeah, yeah, I didn't like that.
So it leads me to believe thatthere was just some stuff.
I mean, there was just somestuff going on with Ed where it
was.
Maybe it was personal stuff,maybe it was substances that
were kind of just messing withhim a little bit and messing
with his decision-making, or howhe wanted to have control of
(52:24):
the band, I'm not sure.
And then, of course, later on,when they tossed Sammy aside, it
was just more of the same.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Well, if you want to talk about tossed aside, aside,
look at gary chiron.
Yeah, he's an afterthought inevery, not in extreme.
I I love extreme and I enjoyhis music a lot.
Right, that's for another day.
But when it comes to van halenthree, it's forgotten.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Oh, most definitely.
Yeah, people jump right fromfrom like balance, which is the
last studio record with withwith Sammy, they jump and skip
past Van.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Halen to a different kind of truth, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
And then you've got even greatest hits yeah, volume
one in between, which was thethat and that was really kind of
the complete breaking point forsammy.
Yeah, you know that's.
You know that was kind of thestraw that broke.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
The camera wasn't even on that album, on the
greatest hits album no, no but Ithink one track, not one, but
they could have at least had alive performance or something
from him.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah, I think well didn't.
Greatest Hits, volume 1, Ithought that came.
I thought that was pre-VanHalen 3.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Well, maybe I'm thinking of the, maybe I'm
thinking of the wrong GreatestHits, because there's one where
Sammy did a new song.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
And.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Dave did a new song.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah, that's Greatest Hits, volume 1.
Because Sammy didn't even wantto do a greatest hits album.
Right, he was like, why do weneed a greatest hits album?
And uh, and that it had thatsong humans being from, uh, the
twister soundtrack.
And then, and I think then davedid two.
He did two uh recordings andpeople thought, oh, maybe dave's
(54:12):
coming back into the fold now,and that was kind of it and I'll
tell you what a lot of peoplepoo-poo it.
But I love me wise mad magic.
I just think.
I think that's a great song.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Oh, I know that the album is called the best of both
worlds.
It's a two.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Yes, that's the one I'm thinking of yeah, that's the
one that came out afterwards.
That's got the frankensteincover on it.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yes, yeah, but both of those Greatest Hits albums
don't have Sharon, and you'reright.
Greatest Hits Volume 1 waspre-Sharon, but you're right,
even the double album GreatestHits Is sans Sharon, right right
.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
So to what you're saying, to your point yeah, they
just the Sharon era very, verysmall, very short time frame,
but completely wiped off the map.
Yeah, the Sharon era very, verysmall, very short timeframe,
but completely wiped off the maptoo.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
I'm going to revisit that album and see if I can find
any hidden gems in it.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Right, cool, listen, yes, I'm going to let you go,
all right.
So let me wrap up here realquick.
Just stick with me.
You got it, you got it.
So, folks, look, this is just ataste of some of the stuff that
you're going to get whenTalking Rock Fan launches and
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We'll keep you posted on that,but this has just been a good
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This is kind of a peek behindthe curtain.
People, this is kind of whatShanks and I do, period.
So this is nothing new for us.
It could be something new foryou.
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Just a lot of good stuff, andif you like-.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Does this mean one of us is Dorothy and the other
one's the wizard, or?
Speaker 1 (55:57):
I'd probably be the scarecrow I was going to say say
look, one of us is going to bethe scarecrow, one of us is
going to be the cowardly lion.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Okay there you go, there you go I like it also.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
Have no courage and the other one's going to have no
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This guy right next to me here,his name is Shannon Cox and it's
a fun story and Shannon and Iwe're kicking around some things
(02:18):
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The reason why Shannon is hereis because him and I are really
doing our darnedest to try toget another podcast up and
running.
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follow us on Facebook and we'reworking on some stuff.
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kind of branches off the secondone onto its own.
Well, this is kind of what thatis here, okay and so yeah there
(03:06):
you go.
We're just, we're doing a littletest here, we're doing a little
run, we're going to have somefun because Shannon and I are
both music lovers and we like alot of the same stuff.
But, as you're going to findout, we are like completely
opposite on some things too, andthat's what's going to make it
fun.
So, anyway, uh, again, withoutfurther ado, here he is.
(03:29):
Oh no, I'm sorry.
Here he is Shannon Cox.
How's it going, shannon?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's doing great, Ben .
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Of course, man, Of course.
Look, we've been.
We've been at this, God, we'vebeen at this at least two months
, right, yeah, and this will bethe first time that we'll have
some stuff out into the worldthere for people to chew on
people, to watch people, to makefun of all that good stuff
right, people can look at me nowand go.
(04:03):
Oh God, he's going to break theinternet.
Before we kind of get into acouple of topics, why don't you
just tell the audience aboutyourself a little bit, give them
a little background?
Oh man.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I'm from the South United States, grew up in
Kentucky and Tennessee,currently live in Indianapolis.
Currently live in Indianapolis,father of four, happily married
, have a huge background incountry and bluegrass when I was
a kid, became a rock fan in theearly 80s and just really
(04:37):
started going all over the placeon music.
I enjoy live music and, as youguys will find out, we we
entered some music at differenttimes and that's where the
opinions can differ.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, Tell, tell everybody kind of what your
where, where your wheelhouse isin the rock space.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I'm more hard rock heavy metal.
I enjoy some of the fasterstuff.
I used to be an old schoolthrash kid in high school Took a
few years off, kind of delvedin the country for a little bit
in the 90s and then found my wayback home.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Back home.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I did.
I like to tell people.
I graduated from cassette tapesin 1990 to CDs and my
collection just exploded fromvinyl and cassette to CDs of
hard rock and heavy metal.
I have everything from, oh mygoodness, the beatles, all the
(05:46):
way up to, uh, slayer, I meanit's, it's all over the place,
and in between you can't get anydifferent than slayer and the
beatles.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So I'm all over yeah, those are really like two.
You know the opposite ends ofthe spectrum for sure I'm uh,
I'm kind of driven mood by mymood.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, yesterday I had rick springfield blasting while
I was cleaning a room okay,what were you playing from rick?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
oh, his greatest hits too.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh, oh, the the the new one yeah, yeah, I found it
on apple music and popped it inand I couldn't believe how heavy
he is compared to what I'veheard on the radio.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Pleasantly surprised okay, and this is a great place
to start.
This is a really, really greatplace to start because I love
rick springfield.
I've been a fan of rickspringfield since jesse's girl.
Okay, because that's when hereally, that's when he really
came on the scene big time inthe united states.
(06:47):
Now he was, I I remember, evenearlier than that.
Um, there was a friend of minegrowing up, his name was greg
and his sister dawn.
She, that's where I first heardof rick springfield and she had
these early, these uh albumsfrom the 70s that were featuring
, like Rick, as he was like asuperhero, he was wearing a you
(07:11):
know the outfit and everythingelse, and I mean, you know, when
I'm 11, 12 years old.
So I'm just really reallystarting to get into music and I
didn't kind of it didn't kindof click with me.
And then in 1981 I hear jesse'sgirl on the radio and I'm
hearing it's rick springfield.
I know that guy and and Ireally became a fan at that
(07:35):
point.
And then subsequently, the albumafter that was, uh, success
hasn't Me.
Yet the big hit was Don't Talkto Strangers, another really
really good song.
And then in 1983, maybe hiswell, I don't, it might be, if
it's not his hardest album, hisheaviness as far as heaviness is
(07:58):
concerned, it's certainly rightup there.
Maybe top two or three isLiving in Oz and there's still
some pop sensibilities about it,but it gets into some real
crunchy guitar, some realheaviness, and I love that album
(08:18):
.
I love Rick Springfield.
I don't know what's on GreatestHits 2, but maybe you can kind
of run it down for me as well.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
He has a re-recorded Jesse's Girl on it, closing the
album.
I can tell you that for sure.
But I'll tell you how I got.
While I'm bringing this up,I'll tell you how I got into
Rick Springfield.
Originally my aunt used tobabysit me for a little while
and her two daughters lovedRickick springfield and so they
(08:48):
would play jesse's girl and andstuff like that on their, on
their radio, on their turntableand what I didn't know at the
time.
The reason they were into himwas because he was on a soap
opera and they would make mewatch him on this soap opera and
(09:08):
then then I would get to listento the music.
So I kind of was like I don'twant to listen to this guy.
You know if he was just on thenews or not the news, but on the
soap opera, yeah, here I havethe track listing for this.
Um, it starts out with a songcalled I'll make you happy, very
hard, very hard song.
I loved it, yeah.
(09:28):
Um, then he kind of goes poppykind of party stuff after that
with will I like this party updown beautiful.
You wasted actually his littlelittle hard rock.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
does it say what albums these songs are from it
in that track listing?
You got to dive a little deeperthen.
Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
He's got one.
It must be a re-record, calledWorld Start Turning.
It says orchestral versionWorld Start Turning.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I'm trying to remember what album that is.
I've got several Rick albums.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
There's a lot that I don't have because he's been
very prolific, but go ahead yeah, he's got a song with, uh,
sammy Hagar on here called partyat the beach.
Of course that's typical Sammyright?
Yeah, um, who killed rock androll?
That was pretty good.
Exit wound is fantastic andLittle Demon Live.
(10:22):
I like that song live.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's.
That is off of, that's off ofthe Snake King.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Okay, I download that one.
I haven't listened to it yetbecause after listening to the
Greatest Hits, I went and wentand just add a bunch of his
albums to my playlist and justhaven't went through them yet.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, let me double check.
That one Whoops.
That one is off of prettywhoops library.
That should be off of the snakeking.
Um, where is it there?
It is, yeah, oh wait, uh, yeah,yeah, that one is that one is
off of the snake king.
That one came out, I think, in2017.
(11:02):
That's a the entire album of thesnake king.
It's it's.
There's a lot of religiousovertones to it.
Uh, because rick is rick is wasraised catholic, okay, and he
was raised in the catholicchurch and so on.
So there are a lot of religiousovertones to that one that
there's a lot that I still haveto try to decipher and pick
(11:24):
apart.
But, um, that one there, theentire album is very bluesy.
A lot of slide guitar on that.
Uh, yeah, a lot of um, um, alot of in and out, but it's it's
very blues, bluesy some.
It's not real heavy, but, um,it's not real light either.
(11:48):
So that that album and I likethat album a lot the uh, the
title track on that album, thesnake king is, is so, so good on
that.
There's there's.
You know, there's a lot of goodstuff on there.
I'm trying to.
I'm looking at the.
I'm looking at the the tracklisting right now.
(12:08):
But.
But in fact the last song onthe album.
It's 12 tracks.
The whole thing's like an hourlong.
It it's like 10 minutes thelast, the last track.
But it goes through so muchstuff too and it's very
interesting and if you give it alisten you'll get where I'm
(12:31):
coming from.
But it's so cool.
You brought up Rick Springfieldthough.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, that'll be my next listen.
Then I'll listen to that hereshortly.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
All right, continue with your track listing on
Greatest Hits 2.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Oh, there's not too much left.
I mean he greatest hits too.
There's there's not too muchleft.
I mean he has, um, that one.
I don't remember that onedidn't stick with me.
Uh uh, it's always somethingautomatic.
Okay, lose myself.
And then the new version ofJesse's girl, which, okay, it's
(13:04):
just a little bit faster.
Jesse's Girl to me, is what itreminded me of.
It's 16 songs, 51 minutes.
I'll definitely have to givethe Snake King a listen to,
because I like epic songs, hugePink Floyd fan.
I love Dream Theater,especially the epics.
(13:25):
If they're.
If they have lyrics, it's great.
If not, I'll take them as theyare right.
Some bands I only like their,their music without lyrics.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
People learn that from me well going over that
track listing.
There's not, I'll be honest, Ido.
I mean I I'm looking at mystuff here.
I've got like five or six rickspringfield, uh, rick
springfield albums and I wouldsay most of those songs on that
on the greatest hits too, areprobably going to be post 2000,
(14:00):
and like nine or ten, becausethere's there's another album on
there I think it came out inmaybe 08, 09, called Venus in
Overdrive, okay, and the titletrack's awesome.
It's about I don't even thinkit's three minutes long, but
(14:20):
it's such a cool song, but it'sjust a really, really good song.
I won't say it's hard and heavy, it's not poppy it.
There's a lot of production toit, though there is a lot of
production, um, but it is sogood and the lyric, the lyrical
content on it is wonderful.
And this is what people don'tunderstand about Rick
(14:42):
Springfield.
I mean the girls love himbecause he's good looking, oh,
yeah.
Even at 75 or 76 years old theguy still looks amazing.
But you know, for the layperson, they hear Rick
Springfield and automaticallythey just go to Jesse's girl and
they think that's what RickSpringfield is.
(15:03):
And he's not.
I've seen him live severaltimes and that's when you really
get to know an artist is whenyou see them perform live.
You know not just what you hearon the radio, because that's
all just that's selected by themanagement, the record company
and that kind of stuff and uhand well, I mean and radio
(15:28):
doesn't play whatever they wantanymore.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I remember jesse's girl and he had a big hit with
the sammy hagar song, which Ilove both both versions, sammy's
and his and I actually knewsammy's before.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Him loved it I've done everything for you.
Yes, and there's a.
There's a.
There's a story to that too.
Um, something like um, whenthat song, after it, was on the
charts and it got big, um, sammyreceived a gift from Rick.
(15:57):
He received, like a bottle ofchampagne and and oh, no, no, no
, I'm sorry, it was the otherway around, or wait, how was it
yeah, I think it was a that thatthat sammy sent rick a bottle
of champagne and a dozen rosesand basically said there was a
note that basically says likeyou've done everything for me,
(16:22):
because because, like you said,you knew the song before rick
released it, but really itwasn't mainstream until it came
out on rick's album.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
No, the album that came off of didn't even sell
well at all.
Right, it was terrible.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah.
So so you know, rick took thatsong and, and I mean, made Sammy
a lot of money.
Oh, that's all.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I was going to say, yeah, the roses and the
champagne were just a drop inthe bucket for the royalties
that Sammy's drug in off thatI'm sure Exactly.
Sammy's a pure businessman, soI think that's funny.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah.
So all right, we don't.
We don't have to make this awhole Rick Springfield episode.
But no, that was really cool.
You said you were listening toRick Springfield, because I do.
I really I enjoy Rick a lot,and he's one, he's a good
interview and two, he's so muchmore than what probably 85, 90%
of the people even know.
He is, so Agreed.
(17:22):
So what?
So tell us a little bit moreabout your, you know, like your
tastes in music.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh, my goodness.
Well, early 80s I wasintroduced to Kiss, judas Priest
, bob Seger, george Thorogoodand the Destroyers.
Yeah, yeah, cash conway, twitty, loretta, lynn, tammy wynnette,
(17:52):
george jones.
Uh, blues brothers, even thoughthey're they weren't
technically really a band, Iguess you could say, yeah, um,
it's actually.
My favorite soundtrack of alltime is the the blues brothers
movie.
It's one of the few vinyls Iactually own.
All right, just because I'mactually going to mount it on
the wall behind me here.
Probably at some point there'llbe a backdrop.
(18:13):
There you go.
I just, I just love Jake andElle Woods.
You know, take on a lot ofsongs and things, love some good
Motown.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Actually, I loved Poison Motley, white Snake
during the eighties era thereyou got me thinking Wait, wait,
wait, who's making love to your?
Lady while you were out makinglove, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You got to love all of that that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
That's Jake and Elwood.
That's Blues Brothers, rightthere.
Anyway, I'm sorry, you're great, you're great people, that's.
That's.
That's jake and and elwood.
That's blues brothers, rightthere.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, anyway, I'm sorry, you're great you're great
, the the jailhouse rock, thattheir cover of elvis's jailhouse
rock is just phenomenal.
Oh, wow, um, yeah, um.
Then we had I got into theharder stuff when I got into
high school, but I kind oftransitioned from Poison, motley
(19:16):
, aerosmith, then Metallica camealong, megadeth, anthrax, then
it was let's see, grunge camethrough and wiped out everybody.
I jumped into that for a littlebit.
Alice in Chains is stillprobably one of my favorite
(19:37):
bands of all time.
I still follow them to this day, even Jerry Cantrell's solo.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Which he's really putting a lot of focus on right
now, too, is his solo.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm kind of shocked into that.
But yeah, I don't like it asmuch as Alice in Chains but I
enjoy Alice in Chains.
They've got some albums that Icould probably do out of
episodes on just alone right,because they're albums that
everybody sleeps on.
I I picked up a couple of theiralbums, didn't you know they
were out?
Just listen to them, becausethey were in the bin, you know,
(20:07):
in the little uh cutout bin.
Yeah, three, three dollar CDsyou know here, take them, just
get them off my shelf, took,took them home.
I'm like, oh my God, these arenow some of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Okay, hold on.
You said the cutout bin and forthose of you who are not
necessarily music geeks or nerdslike we might be, the cutout
bin at your album store, yourrecord store, let's put it that
way your record store.
Now, when I was now, shannonand I we've got a little bit of
age difference between the twoof us, not a ton, but enough
(20:37):
anyway.
But when I was a kid, thecutout bin.
You go through the albums andyou see the corner cut on the
album cover.
I know I've got like one or tworight here on the shelf and it
was that meant it was reduced.
And the reason why they cut thecorner off the album cover is
most record stores, if not allof them, had a policy that if
(21:02):
you didn't, if you boughtsomething and you didn't like it
, you could return it and getyour money back.
But if an album costs $5.99 andyou get it out of the cutout
bin for $399, well, you can'ttake it back and you're not
going to fool somebody and get$599.
They're going to give you your$399 back.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
So that's kind of part of why If you're lucky With
that.
If you're lucky Because I hadone record store.
The guy called it the as-is bin.
You bought it, you got it.
You know, take that.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Okay, so that's kind of really what the cutout bins
were for people, the bargain bin, whatever you want to call it.
You know, and, uh, you couldjust get some great stuff and
it's not because it wasn't abargain bin or a cutout bin
because the stuff was.
It wasn't necessarily becausethe stuff was no good, just to
what you were saying.
You had some alice in chainstuff that you, you, you didn't
(22:00):
even know that they had released.
There wasn't really, no, no, ahullabaloo made about any of it.
So you're finding it later onand if you're finding it and not
knowing it's released,obviously there's a whole bunch
of other people out there thatdidn't know it was released as
well.
So record store is going to tryto get some of their money from
it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Oh, I easily on one trip because to get to my local
record store was an hour drivefrom where I live Holy cow.
Yeah, I mean it was in Knoxville, Tennessee, and so when I went
I went what they called packingfor bear.
I went expecting to bring backa box of stuff and I always did,
(22:39):
always clean house.
It wasn't for the new releases.
I went in to discover stuff andwhen Nirvana came through and
grunge came through and squashso many great albums I have at
least 30 CDs I counted up theother day that came from the
cutout bin.
I got Dog Eat Dog by Warrant.
(23:00):
I got Subhuman Race by Skid RowPull from Winger.
They're all cutouts and I gotthem a few years afterwards.
I mean, Foreigner, I forgetwhat the album.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Mr Moonlight, mr Moonlight yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I got that one in the cutout bin.
I mean there were so many thatI just they're like nobody would
touch him, man.
They said we'll sell them andthey would even sell them to you
for like three, for $5 orsomething, and I just took a box
.
I said you got a box, man, andI did.
I took at least 30.
I counted the other day fromone trip alone.
That was all stuff like that.
(23:39):
And it even went back furtherlike um, oh, it was.
Uh, my copy of girls, girls,girls by motley crew was in the
cutout bin at that point.
Yeah, you couldn't.
You know, you couldn't buy itbefore, and before then I
couldn't even afford it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Exactly yeah, In 87, 88, when that record was hot,
yeah, you might not be able toafford it.
But then, of course, if it'sstill sticking around at a
record store six, seven yearslater, man, they just want it
out of there.
Oh, yeah and yeah.
But to what you're saying.
I mean, look, this topic righthere is a show unto itself.
(24:19):
When you're talking albums fromfrom eighties, bands that were
released in the nineties, thatwent absolutely nowhere, you
know that's, that's a topic untoitself.
Don't tell me you gotCinderella still climbing too.
No, I got.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Heartbreak Station Okay, heartbreak Station in the
bin and I got Revolutions PerMinute by Skid Row out of the
cutout bin a few years ago, butthat was more.
After I moved up here I got arecord store Like I got three of
them 10 minutes away.
Oh, that's good.
(24:59):
So that's a lot better, but it's.
They do a lot of shoppingoffline and they do a lot of
their stuff on eBay.
So they don't like selling tothe locals as much.
They'd rather ship.
It seems like, because localscome in and want to haggle On
eBay.
You just On eBay.
You just, yeah, well, I'll goin and say, hey, here's this old
Wasp album Still Not DarkEnough from the late 90s.
(25:23):
I have it on CD, but I reallydig the cover.
I'd like to have the album.
They're like it's going to be$35, man, and you're like, can I
just buy it for 15?
Like no, I can't help it, I'm ahaggler.
When you had nothing, you cameup for no money.
Man.
You, you want to stretch thatdollar every time you can,
especially if you know it's beenthere several times.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
When you came in and nobody's looking at it, you bet,
yeah, you've been in therethree times and it's still there
.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, I, I, I, the lasttime I went record shopping I
didn't really well, I guess Idid go record shopping.
I was, uh, katherine and I, wehad gone to portland for the
weekend, we'd gone for a weddingand and, uh, we were headed
(26:08):
back to the airport.
So we were driving throughdowntown port Portland and I,
just by chance, passed by arecord shop and so I said, oh,
got to stop and parked, we wentinside.
I spent about an hour in thereand Catherine was bored to tears
, but, but, but I spent aboutmaybe almost an hour looking
(26:33):
around and, honestly, I didn'treally know what I was looking
for.
I was just looking and I knewif I saw something, if, if it
caught my eye, then I would, Iwould pick it up, and, and, um,
I ended up walking out of therewith, um, I think I picked up
two, two or three Rolling StonesCDs, um, um, and I'm trying to
(26:56):
remember what else.
I know I talked about it on theshow, but that was back in like
november, so, um, but but I did.
I came across, I was lookingthrough the albums as well, and
I came across, sometimes thestore can be just so big it's
overwhelming, you know, yeah,but because if you start at a at
nine o'clock in the morning,you won't hit z until about six
(27:18):
in the evening and yeah, Ididn't want to do that, but but,
uh, I did pick up.
Um, I picked up an album fromangel.
I have it, I have and I havethe cd, but but there was this
vinyl right here and and it waswhite hot, and I was like, oh, I
got to get this and they wereselling for $2.99.
(27:39):
I said, okay, no, this is itand it was used, it was in the
used record bin.
But I was like, oh, no, I gotto pick this one up.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
No, it's a bargain for that album.
That's a great album.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
You've turned me on to that, onto that.
I love that album.
It is.
It's a really good album.
Uh, and I think it was theirnext to last.
I think was their fifth album.
Yeah, as a matter of fact,because you get the debut hell
of a band, um, on earth as it isin heaven, yeah, then white hot
, then sinful, yeah, so or wait,something like that.
I don't remember, but but yeah,it was.
Uh, that was a good one.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
The last time I went to the record store I'm looking
at it right now, across the barhere I picked up Davey Lee
Roth's Crazy From the Heat onvinyl.
Oh wow, and it was used.
But I talked him down to $13from the $45 he wanted for it.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
He wanted $45 for a used record.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yes, holy cow, and this guy only does vinyl.
Okay, he does shirts and vinyl,yeah, and the other two stores
do.
One does a small bin of cds andcassettes, yeah, and the other
one's just like a full-blownstore.
If you go in there, you've gotto have time.
So I rarely go in there, justbecause I know I'll get lost and
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my wife does not have that kindof patience.
She is not gonna put up, yeah,no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
She's like you got 10 minutes and then I'm leaving
yeah, exactly, and you know, andlook, not everyone appreciates
music like we do, you know it.
It's a lot of people, becauseit's what we're into, but it's
really a very small percentageof people.
(29:23):
When you look at the grandscope and your wife, just like
mine, yeah, no, they can take orleave it and they would prefer
to leave it mine, yeah, no, theycould take or leave it and they
would prefer to leave it, and,um, yeah, so we have to kind of
understand that it would beinconsiderate of us to drag them
around on something like recordstore day.
That would be, that would belike I mean, like you know, kill
(29:49):
me now for them, exactly do you, do you uh, do you curse on
your show any, or you keep itlimited I, I, I don't, but I
don't.
I don't stop anybody from doingit, because there's no, there's
no fcc regulation.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I'm just not a cusser by nature, I'm I'm I'm not the
biggest cusser, but I just wantto tell a quick story here about
me and my wife.
Yeah, yeah, she recently flewto to new orleans and so I was
listening to the solo albumsfrom kiss yeah, and jeans was in
and the kids and me weredriving her completely crazy
(30:23):
singing living in sin on repeatand she's like this is so
juvenile and I'm it is an 11 and13 year old singing it and even
our five year old was likeHoliday Inn, holiday Inn.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
And so on the way.
When I went and picked her uplike a week later, I had the
same album in and the kids werein the back and when you wish
upon, a star was on and she camein and sat down.
First thing was what the hellhave you got the Disney channel
(31:01):
on for now?
I thought you were trying tolisten to rock and I'm like she
goes wait a minute, shut thehell up.
She goes are you fuckingkidding me?
That's Gene Simmons singingthat.
Welcome to my world, baby yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
But see, I'm the same way when I get into something
I'll listen to it straight forlike a week or two, you know,
and just want to just pick apartevery note there is to it, you
know, apart every note there isto it, you know.
(31:38):
And but to what you're saying,you know, when you wish upon a
star, a lot of people wouldthink what in the world is Gene
Simmons singing that song?
For?
How stupid is that?
You know, and part of, and alot of it, part of the reason
why, when it came to the soloalbums, Gene, one of the reasons
why he got a lot of crap isbecause he was doing stuff like
(31:59):
when you Wish Upon a Star.
But then when you understand hisstory, his life, then you know
why he sang that song and whythat song sang that song and why
that song.
It.
I mean that song meant so muchto him from his childhood that
when he had an opportunity torecord that song was going to
(32:21):
certainly be outside of his.
Then he took advantage of thatand actually I think he did a
really, really good job with itand I think that's why I enjoyed
his album a lot more.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And now and I'm gonna get into that when I do my own
video about it, but I sure I didnot go into it with the
viewpoint of this is kiss.
I went into it thinking this isjust an album I picked up and
and and threw in to listen to.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I didn't have the poster on the wall, I wasn't
staring at the album cover, Ijust streamed it and now there's
songs off that album that are apermanent part of some of my
playlists that that I make yeah,I look, look like I said we, we
can, we can do an episode on uh, on the solo albums here coming
up in the future, but but I,you know there's I I like a lot
(33:10):
of that stuff.
I won't get into it because Idon't want to spoil that
material now, but you know, okay, so Record Store Day was like a
couple weeks ago, I think itwas.
I think it's like two weekstomorrow.
Did you get out and venture?
No, yeah, you know, I didn'teven know.
I mean, it used to only be oneday a year and that was in April
(33:30):
and it came and I did.
I didn't even realize it,forgot all about it and and I'm
not, I haven't been a big recordstore day guy over the years,
but I want to do a littlepartaking, you know, and see
what's out there.
But I think there's a secondone that comes up now in
November, I think.
I think so.
(33:51):
I think that's been like thelast several years.
I tried to look it up and Icouldn't find anything on it,
but from my memory it wassomewhere around um, because I
think they brought it.
They brought it into playbecause of the holiday season.
I believe is why that makessense.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
So if I went to record store day, I'd want to
network, I'd want to find peoplewho were like-minded that I
could talk to and get some ideas, kind of like.
You know, you and I met, youknow on on Facebook and just
kind of just started talking.
I mean, look where that's ledus.
You never know, you never knowwhat you're going to find.
Um, and God forbid, somebodyopened my eyes to an artist I
(34:33):
never heard of before and I fallin love with.
You know, that would be great,you know yeah, you know there's
I've had.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I had a guy on the podcast way back when in the
beginning of this.
His his name is Dennis, hisnickname is Deep Cut Dennis, but
I had him on then.
You know, a few weeks ago I hadTommy Summers, from three sides
of the coin on and, and, and,and, then and, then you as well,
and all three tremendous musiclovers and, and I mean I've got
(35:05):
my, my good buddy, childhoodfriend, spaz, who comes on the,
who comes on the podcast fromtime to time.
We'll do, you know, we're bigjourney lover, boy, foreigner,
geeks, and we've seen thosebands numerous times and and so
he's like the rest, the rest ofour buddies that we grew up with
, they they're not into musiclike we are okay.
(35:28):
So so, when it comes to themusic type stuff, you know, and
we have to dive into things, no,spaz is my guy, but, but you,
tommy dennis, there's a lot ofother folks out there too.
But in my world here, your, your, uh, the way I like to describe
(35:50):
it, it you have a greaterbreadth on your music than I
necessarily do.
I like a lot of stuff, but Ilike to say that my music fandom
or love is kind of like thisbut everything in that circle,
(36:14):
man man, I just get into it andI want to know every.
I want to know every lyric toall the songs.
I want to know everything aboutall the band members.
I want to.
I want to know their kids names.
You know it's just whatever.
But but I, I I'm trying tolearn to stretch it out a little
bit more.
I mean, you're talking aboutwhere you came from, you know,
(36:38):
with bluegrass, and not justcountry, because I love country
too.
But you know, you reallystretch it out and I think that
that's just something that Ihave.
I haven't done a lot of.
I try.
My circle expands a little bit,but it just doesn't get way out
(37:02):
here like this.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
So, being a country fan, you know who Conway Twitty
is.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Okay, I lived less than 10minutes away from a venue in
Kentucky called TombstoneJunction that sounds so good.
It was an amusement park.
It's defunct now.
That's for another day.
(37:25):
I can tell you about that.
But my very first concert wasConway Twitty and Loretta Lynn,
a few weeks before Conway passedaway at Tombstone Junction,
talking about having no idea ofwhat you were seeing at the time
.
And now I can appreciate it.
Yeah, I mean, we saw RickySkaggs, but Ricky Skaggs is
(37:49):
Kentucky born and bred and stillperforms there at what they
call the Bluegrass Opry, renfroValley.
Okay, I live 45 minutes fromthere.
I couldn't get to a recordstore, but I could get to all
these country and bluegrassvenues All we wanted to we saw
an hour away right, Absolutelyyeah.
If you've ever heard of aBlackstone cherry, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
They're from Glasgow, kentucky.
I grew up an hour and a halffrom there, but they have ties.
Two of the guys in the band,their fathers were in a country
band called the KentuckyHeadhunters.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, I've heard of them.
I don't know their music, but Ihave heard of them.
Yeah, they are.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
They did a lot of covers unfortunately Not a whole
lot of original material, yeah,but they were fantastic and
they were hard rock for the timein the 90s of the country.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
They had a pretty good run, like 30 years ago or
so.
Right, they did, yeah they hadDoomless Walker.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
They did a cover of Walk Softly on this Heart of
Mine.
Yeah, honky Tonk Walkin' RagTop.
They did a cover of, uh, walksoftly on this heart of mine.
Um, honky-tonk walking uh ragtop.
Uh, honky-tonk angel, I thinkwas.
Was that rock and roll angel?
I forget the name of the song,but they, they were actually
pretty good and some of theiroffspring, you know, grew up in
(39:11):
the music industry and then whenthe headhunters broke up or
actually I think they reunitedthey took blackstone cherry as
their opening band and that'swhere those boys got their legs,
from my understanding right.
So the only time I've ever seenblackstone cherry is when they
did like a 15 minute set of justcovers to like 20 people or
(39:33):
something.
And now I want to go see themand you know they're going to be
huge.
At least I hope they're goingto be huge.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Well, they're actually Blackstone Cherry does
very well across the Atlantic.
They do real well.
They're kind of like BlackberrySmoke.
They do really well on thatside of the Atlantic much.
They're much bigger than theyare here in america, which is is
really odd because of theirsound and what it is that they
(40:05):
do.
You think that that an americanaudience would just really
gravitate more towards it, butthey seem to do.
I mean they're doing arenasover in the UK and they're doing
, you know, like large clubs andtheaters here in the United
States.
I mean they do well, here,what's that?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
There'll be third on the bill here.
You know when anything.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Exactly, exactly, which is kind of head scratching
, but that's I.
You know, we could spend allday trying to figure that one
out too.
So, um, so I know that I wantto try to get my buddy spaz to
to head out with me to to recordstore day when it comes around
again.
So I'm going to be on thelookout for november.
(40:51):
I'm going gonna be listening upand trying to pay attention,
because I really want to just goout and run around to to some
record stores.
Our, our favorite record storewhen we were kids is still in
existence.
It's still around.
It's um, it's called levels andI bought so much music there
growing up and and, uh, I justremember I would go in there and
(41:15):
thumb through the bins on thealbums, the new stuff.
Then I would go through theused stuff and yeah, because,
yeah, they do a lot of used, alot of used stuff there as well,
always have, and I prefer theuse because the new stuff is uh,
you got to have the, the redvinyl or the green vital and
(41:38):
everything's.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
If you walk into walmart or meyer or any of those
places, they've got the brandnew re issues and it's 30 bucks
or 25 or whatever.
Yeah, I, I got a megadeth livealbum.
It's the Coke bottle version.
I just realized that paidprobably an extra 10 bucks for
it.
I've never taken it out of thesleeve.
(42:00):
I got it because I'd never seenthis album before.
It's like a recording orsomething, but I'm like it was a
special edition.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
And to what you're saying.
Okay, when I when I graduatedhigh school in 83, I had gone
back to Missouri, my high schoolgirlfriend, her family,
relocated to Missouri.
They invited me to come backand I went back there and I
(42:30):
needed money.
So, like a dummy, I sold almostevery piece of vinyl that I had
at the time.
I got a whole $85 for it.
I had Beatles albums in there.
I sold nearly every single Kissalbum I had.
I think the only one I may havehung on to was Music from the
(42:51):
Elder, whatever I had forAerosmith, my Uriah heap albums,
all that kind of stuff.
So I sold all of that and I I'mcertainly I regret it to this
day, but in trying to um, intrying to get the and I don't
(43:12):
even have a turntable anymore,but I still want to buy those
albums back and so I do I go oneBay and I look for stuff and
and I'm not, I don't want thenew stuff when it comes to the
kiss records I want, let's see,oh yeah, I want the old stuff.
I want like okay, let me find ithere Now, do you?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
still just have three of the four solo albums on
vinyl.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, I haven't picked up Peter's yet.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I almost bought a Peter to send to you off eBay to
see if I could swap you foryour Paul, just for the heck of
it.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
I'll just send you the Paul.
I got two of them.
I'll send you one.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
I'm just like well, I want all two of them.
I'll send you one.
I'm just like well, I want allfour of them now yeah, yeah, but
I'll send it to you.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
You don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I was laughing, I could trade you out because you
need peter.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I do, I do, I'll pick up two peters, if I have to,
because, but, no, no, but, but.
But like I had said, though it,when I, when I, when I look at
these albums, they have to haveall the, all the stuff in the
posters, the membership forms,the merch forms.
I got to have all that stuff inthere, cause that's how I had
them when I was a kid, and sothat's what I really look for
(44:22):
whenever I buy them off of eBayand um, but I don't want someone
taking me to the cleaner sayingoh this is $60 or whatever.
No, I'll pay, you know, 20, 30bucks.
That's about it, that's youknow.
Outside of that, it's like no,come on, dude, All right, really
serious.
But but not only that.
If, cause Casablanca had a fewdifferent uh labels on the on
(44:43):
the center of the album, if minewas the purple Casablanca label
, which was pre 375, then that'sthe one I want.
So so I look for that stuff too, and, um, sometimes you gotta
look a little harder than othersand and uh.
But but that to what you'resaying.
(45:04):
I want to go into the used binsand look through that stuff,
cause that's where I know Istand a better chance of finding
what I want.
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
You know, Absolutely.
I even like hitting used toanyway flea markets and used
furniture stores for some reasonalways have like a little bin
of records or something.
And I'll dig through.
I found some Beatles stuff, Wow.
I was kind of surprised.
Yeah, you know, um I, becausemy mother-in-law is like the
biggest beatles.
(45:37):
Shout out, donna, she is likethe biggest beatles fan.
She has like a beatles room,wall-to-wall albums, books, the
movies, if I mean.
She has multiples of everythingand she just keeps on
collecting.
She has the beanie babies andmultiples.
You know, uh, if you could,you'd probably have the kiss
(45:57):
beanie babies or something, orfunko pops or something they're.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
They're sitting right over there on the shelf and I
didn't buy him.
A friend of mine, he he gavehim to me.
He's cleaning out stuff and hesends me a text message.
He says, hey, are you home?
I'm in the area, I gotsomething for you.
I'm like, yeah, sure.
Five minutes later he's at mydoor and he hands me a bag and I
look, look at it and I'm like,oh my gosh, all right, mark,
(46:21):
thanks, you know, but and I gotmy kiss bobble heads up here too
from when they from?
From when they they, when Pauland Gene had their arena
football league team.
Oh yeah, yeah, but you know so.
So shout out to Donna, right?
So my mom's, my mom's name isDonna too, and actually your mom
(46:44):
, donna, is a huge Beatles fan.
My mom is not.
However, it was because of herplaying the 45 of Let it Be over
and over and over again, or notover and over, but playing it
on our stereo and typing thelyrics out.
That's really the thing thathit me and hooked me when it
(47:10):
came to music.
It was because my mom, donna,and the Beatles, just one of
those things I probably misspoke.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Donna is my mother-in-law, but she is like a
second mom to me.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
She's the greatest, you're fine.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
My mother's Wilma, and she is the same way with
Elvis.
Ah, the only albums in our homeWere Country and Elvis Gotcha,
and it was more gospel Elvisthan anything else, but she
loved.
When he came back with thecomeback album we had to have,
we had to go stand in line atthe store and get it.
(47:46):
It's Elvis.
We can't do without Elvis inour house.
Come on, the king he was yeah,absolutely.
I've got about 10 minutes left.
You said that you were going tolisten to the Sammy Hagar
Concourse song, so I want toknow your opinion.
I'm dying to know.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Okay, all right.
Well, let's end with that then.
Okay, we'll close up shop withthis right here.
So I did.
I listened to it and that's areally good song.
And you mentioned previous tous starting starting to roll
here, that that tapping in thebeginning from Joe sound was
(48:27):
just, it was very, very EddieVan Halen, like absolutely.
When you hear that, it's likethis is a Van Halen song, but
then when you get past that, no,it's a sammy song, but but
nonetheless it's a really goodsong, really good song I like it
.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
All four, all four guys on that out on that song
had their moments.
Like sammy was singing, joe wasdoing the tapping in the
beginning as a nod to eddie, butthen in the breakdown he does
his own solo, his own nod to hisown stuff, but it still was in
like the tune of a van halensong.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
I'm not sure if I'm describing yeah, more, but but
more on this, on the sammy sideof it, though.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
You know the sam, the sammy era yeah, the later 80s,
early 90s, for sure, EvenAronoff was pounding those drums
.
That's definitely not Alex onthose drums.
You can tell he didn't try toemulate Alex at all, he went
harder pounding.
I almost would have thought itwas Bonham there for a minute
just because Aronoff was hittinghim so hard.
But yeah, I really love thesong.
(49:32):
It's what Encore.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Good Night Encore.
Thank you Goodnight Encore.
Thank you Goodnight.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
And I only heard it the one time.
And you know, sometimes you sayyeah, it's okay, and then you
got to listen to it over andover and over again.
No, no, this one was good rightout of the gate, right from the
beginning to the end, and Ikind of liked, kind of
throughout the song, especiallyaround halfway through the song
where it sounded like the crowdwas chanting Thank you, like
(50:01):
there were, like the song wasbeing played live, you know, and
there was a crowd chantingThank you.
It was like thank you, thankyou, thank you, you know over
and over again, but that wasreally really really cool.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Even Michael Anthony it may be the part you're
referencing scene was where heis saying over and over again
thank you, and I did as thebackup.
I mean it was, it wasn't.
I don't know if it wasemotional for him, but to me I
can almost picture him beingemotional, because those guys
had 30 years of history beforeyou know.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
They parted and were had to be close you would think,
yeah, you would think you know.
I mean, I mean it was michaeland alex and eddie before dave.
Absolutely, you know, yeah, andso you know.
I mean they had history beforedave and then, um, I I don't
(50:52):
know, I don't.
I.
I mean I I've read sammy's book, but that's been probably 10,
12 years since I read sammy'sbook and I think it's probably
10, 12 years, since I readSammy's book and I think it's it
was.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Are you talking about Red?
What's that Are?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
you talking about Red ?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
I did it on Audible back in February.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Listen to it.
Okay, you know, and I knowthere was some stuff, but I just
think that there was some stuffgoing on with Eddie.
You know, you come to find outthat that Eddie was the real
driver behind that band.
I mean not driver, but but hewas the one that was the big
influencer.
It was like no, we're going todo it this way.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
And he was truly the visionary in more than one way.
Yeah, sammy and Dave may havehad a hand on most of the lyrics
, but're 100 right that eddiewas the driving force now in
sammy's book.
From what I remember, they kindof reworked michael's deal like
(51:47):
two times after the 84 album.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, they did.
Yeah, they kind of were like,hey, michael, uh, you know, this
is the way it's going to besign here or else you're not
being as creative I this is theway it's going to be Sign here
or else You're not being ascreative.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
I didn't like that either.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
It kind of left a bad taste in my mouth.
Yeah, yeah, I didn't like that.
So it leads me to believe thatthere was just some stuff.
I mean, there was just somestuff going on with Ed where it
was.
Maybe it was personal stuff,maybe it was substances that
were kind of just messing withhim a little bit and messing
with his decision-making, or howhe wanted to have control of
(52:24):
the band, I'm not sure.
And then, of course, later on,when they tossed Sammy aside, it
was just more of the same.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Well, if you want to talk about tossed aside, aside,
look at gary chiron.
Yeah, he's an afterthought inevery, not in extreme.
I I love extreme and I enjoyhis music a lot.
Right, that's for another day.
But when it comes to van halenthree, it's forgotten.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Oh, most definitely.
Yeah, people jump right fromfrom like balance, which is the
last studio record with withwith Sammy, they jump and skip
past Van.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Halen to a different kind of truth, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
And then you've got even greatest hits yeah, volume
one in between, which was thethat and that was really kind of
the complete breaking point forsammy.
Yeah, you know that's.
You know that was kind of thestraw that broke.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
The camera wasn't even on that album, on the
greatest hits album no, no but Ithink one track, not one, but
they could have at least had alive performance or something
from him.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah, I think well didn't.
Greatest Hits, volume 1, Ithought that came.
I thought that was pre-VanHalen 3.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Well, maybe I'm thinking of the, maybe I'm
thinking of the wrong GreatestHits, because there's one where
Sammy did a new song.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
And.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Dave did a new song.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah, that's Greatest Hits, volume 1.
Because Sammy didn't even wantto do a greatest hits album.
Right, he was like, why do weneed a greatest hits album?
And uh, and that it had thatsong humans being from, uh, the
twister soundtrack.
And then, and I think then davedid two.
He did two uh recordings andpeople thought, oh, maybe dave's
(54:12):
coming back into the fold now,and that was kind of it and I'll
tell you what a lot of peoplepoo-poo it.
But I love me wise mad magic.
I just think.
I think that's a great song.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Oh, I know that the album is called the best of both
worlds.
It's a two.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Yes, that's the one I'm thinking of yeah, that's the
one that came out afterwards.
That's got the frankensteincover on it.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yes, yeah, but both of those Greatest Hits albums
don't have Sharon, and you'reright.
Greatest Hits Volume 1 waspre-Sharon, but you're right,
even the double album GreatestHits Is sans Sharon, right right
.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
So to what you're saying, to your point yeah, they
just the Sharon era very, verysmall, very short time frame,
but completely wiped off the map.
Yeah, the Sharon era very, verysmall, very short timeframe,
but completely wiped off the maptoo.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
I'm going to revisit that album and see if I can find
any hidden gems in it.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Right, cool, listen, yes, I'm going to let you go,
all right.
So let me wrap up here realquick.
Just stick with me.
You got it, you got it.
So, folks, look, this is just ataste of some of the stuff that
you're going to get whenTalking Rock Fan launches and
(55:27):
officially launches.
Ok, that's going to be comingup here pretty soon.
We'll keep you posted on that,but this has just been a good
time.
This is kind of a peek behindthe curtain.
People, this is kind of whatShanks and I do, period.
So this is nothing new for us.
It could be something new foryou.
(55:48):
Just a lot of good stuff, andif you like-.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Does this mean one of us is Dorothy and the other
one's the wizard, or?
Speaker 1 (55:57):
I'd probably be the scarecrow I was going to say say
look, one of us is going to bethe scarecrow, one of us is
going to be the cowardly lion.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Okay there you go, there you go I like it also.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
Have no courage and the other one's going to have no
brains.
I've got the yellow already forfor one of them.
So I'm all right, all right, so, oh, okay.
So, with that, people, um, asyou know, this program is
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